LOL It's like a train wreck. You don't want to look, but you have to.

Good morning Feisty :)

What's MTP?

It's like a train wreck. You don't want to look, but you have to.

Good Morning to you Fuzzy & YOU BETCHA! LOL

I almost fell off my chair when Gotcha actually asked old Mitch about his "one term" President comment!

Of course, he refused to answer...

Yep, Mitch wasn't too happy about that. He'll be choking on that crow for another 4 years!

And THAT will always give me a chuckle! :)

According to McConnell, the wealthy don't deserve Medicare after a lifetime of paying into the system. Question to McConnell, Why do you despise and why are you waging war against the wealthy?

Get real red, It needs to be possible for people to earn their way out of their safety net. Its called means testing, there is no reason a millionaire or a person receiving huge dividends needs the safety net. Think of it as an insurance incase you don't make it to financial security before you are retired or unable to work.

Time to be pragmatic.

Does it matter what Hagel's views on Israel and Iran are? He's being hired to do a job and the job involves taking orders from the President. It's not like he suddenly gets a free hand to do anything he wants.

He is with us until he is against us. Republicans found another loosing issue.

his opinions on Israel, will bring out the Jewish lobby in force, it will be a tough road for him from Rep and Dem; since the very large Jewish-Israel lobby has donated very large sums to both party's, it is going to be a real donnybrook.

There must be equally competent candidates that aren´t so controversial.Susan Rice withdrew her name..so with Hagel either the president or Hagel himself shoud withdraw it.Even if it´s mainly an administrative postition ,he will advise the president and be a spokesman for the defense department. Put someone else up Mr. President!

It's interesting how they (Republicans) always get things backwards---you are drunk on the bitter tea of getting annihilated in the election. Instead of learning from it you are behaving in a manner that will insure your dissolution. GROW UP!!! Your embarrassing the American People and exposing yourselves in public.

Meet the Press

From the article above:

"I think there will be a lot of tough questions for Sen. Hagel, but he will be treated fairly by Republicans in the Senate," he added.

That depends on what your definition of "fairly" is.

If Mother Teresa was nominated for Secretary of Peace and Love, the Republicans in Congress would roast her over open coals.

Salud

Maybe Obama should just ask the GOP leaders who he can pick... This is getting ridiculous. The GOP is looking for fights with the White House.

What else would you expect from the TP/GOP but more obstruction against anything the President would suggest.

@Feisty, then spend the next 30 minutes listening to the whiners Newt and Carly bitch was just disgusting Next time I want to observe a GOP orgy, I'll stop by the mens restroom at the Minn. airport.

Yep...ANY item they can argue about rather than do the business they were elected to do...please people, let's dump every one of these self centered weasels and get some folks that care about the USA... and NOT themselves!

Here they go again... The Greedy Obstructionist Party at its worst.

A former REPUBLICON Senator is being fought against BY the REPUBLICONS? Just because the President (whom they all hate) nominated him? They can't even support their own when the other party is the one doing the nominating! If this isn't obstructionism at its finest, I can't imagine what is!

Why do the Greedy Obstructionist Party hacks hate America so much ? They are willing to see this country backwards, weak, financially unsound, unemployed, and broke, before they'll support the President!

That, my fellow citizens, is TREASON.

What kind of wake-up call will it take for them to understand that their continued and rabid opposition of the President is NOT what the American People want? Why do they hate the average American so much, and how can they claim to love America when they keep doing things like this?

Mark my words... 2013 will be all about the Greedy Obstructionist Party fighting against the President every chance they get.

I would bet that if the President submitted a bill that these Treasonous RepubliCONS had submitted in recent years, the entire Greedy Obstructionist Party would rise up against it, and fight to defeat it, just because the President was the one who submitted it.

Wait, they've already done that!

What other evidence do we need to run these arrogant, unpatriotic, treasonous criminals out of office?

Chuck Hegel for Sec. of DEFENSE, not State! I don't have a problem with republicans playing with their tanks and stuff, in a sand box! (Except for Rumsfeld!) They still take orders from the President.

I'm with you Mitch and all lets make sure Obama is a two=term only president thank you

I would bet that if the President submitted a bill that these Treasonous RepubliCONS had submitted in recent years, the entire Greedy Obstructionist Party would rise up against it, and fight to defeat it, just because the President was the one who submitted it.

He has and they did.

can he do the job?looks like it.will he institute policies consistent with what the president dictates?yes.who cares what his personal views are.he answers to the president.the president tells him what to do.im a democrat.my boss is a republican.doesnt mean we cant work together

The GOP is just crazy. I mean, they bring us to the edge of unnecessary economic crisis for no good reason other than they don't like Obama. Now they oppose their own ex-GOP senator for no good reason. Soon they'll be threatening our credit over the debt ceiling fight for no good reason.

I urge people to go to a website called ontheissues.org and look up senate/chuck_Hagel.htm. Most conservatives, if they were capable of thinking for themselves, would discover they they like this guy.

I have more reason to dislike Hagel than the conservative posters here. Hagel gets an "A" from the NRA and a 0% from SANF, a 90% conservative voting record, a 95% "with Bush" voting record. If conservative posters weren't so quick to do as they are told, they might say, "hey! This guy is far better than we could have imaged Obama would pick!"

They hate Hagel because he told the truth about the war in Iraq. Because he could see that it was little more than a war of commercial conquest, a war that would cost trillions of dollars that we did not have and inevitably turn into a disaster for the US. He refused to march in lockstep with a group of lying cowards, men who had never served in the military and were more than willing to send YOUR children off to fight and die in a war built on lies and deceit.

Mc Connell's military service? Enlisted in the military reserves, never saw active service and received an early discharge for a vision disorder. Yeah, that's the kind of man to judge Chuck Hagel. McConnell is scum, his career in the Senate is happily just about over.

Hagel: "Hagel has earned foes on both sides of the aisle for past statements about Israel -- notably his comment about how the "Jewish lobby" tries to influence lawmakers in D.C. -"

Whether your pro Israel or not. Where exactly is he inaccurate ???? Someone denying that there are lobbying efforts???

@noncom -- Please explain then why the left should like Hagel?

The goosesteppers obstructing progress?

Gee, that's new and different.

I guess the repugs have now decided that the POTUS no longer gets to decide his own cabinet.

Elliot, define millionaire for me. One, two or 100. Some of us have accumulated some money because we saved. Do you expect us to give up our SS and Medicare that we have paid into for 40 years?

It would not matter if Hagel had a spotless, unblemished, Sunday School boy past with no controversial comments and the honorable, trustworthy reputation of George Washington or Abraham Lincoln. The GOP/TP would still descend on him like a pack of ravenous vultures to tear him apart.

There is not a man or woman living who President Obama could nominate that the Republican Party would approve without a fight.

I thought that Hagel was an ex Republican Senator? Ok, thats right the current Republicans are eating their young now.

What a Joke the Republican party has become.

We will obstruct just be a horses ass party.

The only reason the Republicans didn't fight (even suggested) John Kerry's nomination is because they think it will give them a shot at getting Scott Brown back into the Senate and a chance to regain a seat that they lost last time. I'm not saying that nominees shouldn't be thoroughly reviewed, they absolutely should. But this is their own guy, a strong conservative whom they've praised in the past. As soon as he's nominated by Obama, they suddenly have "concerns"...

LOL Expect a big fight from the right. LMAO. What the hell is new about that? If Obama picked anyone, even the crying man himself, the right would fight. The Right, is VERY wrong for this country of We the People. Works very well for the 1-2% who want our last dime before closing the lid on the middle classes coffin. Actually, they will need servants.(Slaves) So every one line up for those jobs the wealthy are going to create, but just remember, when the work day is over, check back into your cell, and don't be late.

Y'all come back now, ya hear?

It's a sad world for the majority of the people that the right wish to create, yet the very ones who will be hit the hardest are here fighting, for their own enslavement. It always amazes me the ease it is to blind the mind to reason, even to advocating their own extinction.

Wake up People, It's your neck in the noose, and the monster just sits there watching....

Anyway, Spread Love, not Hate. Give Happiness, not sorrow.....Praise Peace, denounce war...Yes, it's ideology, but no less, and I might say much more worthy that theirs on the Right.

Much Love N Peace for All,

Da Pup

>:o):

(Good morning Feisty, hoping you're well >:o): PurrrRRrRrrr)

WHY MUST CONGRESS CONTINUE TO FIGHT OVER THAT OF WORKING? They don't work just battle among each other. What Failures!

I heard someone say on Meet the flub this morning that Congress will only meet for 5 days in Jan and 11 days in Feb. SO WHAT THEY DOING ON ALL THOSE DAYS OFF beside golfing, finangling and why did they deserve a raise while perpetrating fights over that of actually working for the people who hired them to work for them!

Again Congress values vacations over that of working for WE the People! Pathetically asll they do during their breaks is generate more BS!

MUW

Bush never considered Hagel. Hagel has always been a rogue Republican. He is one of the 14 Republican Senators that voted the most for democrat bills. He was only tolerated because he was registered Republican.

As for why Obama has chosen Hagel. Well, there just aren't very many democrats that actually have a believable background of being pro-defense.

McConnell said, Hagel's past statements on Israel was not good, I agree with Hagel, time has come to stop supporting Israel, we need that money here, not that blood sucking war monger state of Israel !!!

You Communist Republicans Just don't want anyone that might actually try to keep us out of a war. God forbid someone would stand up to Israel who wants us to go to war in Iran. That is there war now ours. Let them spend moneys and people. Opps I forgot there Jews. Let the Americans spend there money and young people. There is nothing wrong with a Senator saying he is an American Senator Not a Jewish senator. His Obligation is to America not to Israel. I call him a real American. I say what John Boner said to Harry, F you. F you. to any Rep that don't want Chuck Hegel or anyone else the President wants in his cabinet.

What would any Congressman or Senator, Dem. or GOP say when asked the same question as McConnel. Hagel will be interviewed, vetted by both House and Senate, and then and only then, will both groups, Dems. too, if they take the duties of thier job seriously, and responsibly,...wil vote either yea or nay to his appointment. Anybody who makes a decision BEFORE they have all the facts, is not doing his/her job or being responsible. Seemed Stephanopolis wanted to steer McConnell away from taking about the need to do something about the debt, deficit and spending, so he kept badgering him for a definitive answer as to what his vote will be. Too bad Obama wasn't more thoroughly vetted, if he was at all before the Dems. put him up to "make history". He's making history alright...but not the kind that will be a stellar legacy.

Even with all of the contempt I feel for the repugnican party today, one must admit that they are stunningly successful at persuading people to vote against their own best interests. My guess is that this is why they are so opposed to funding education. A well educated and well informed electorate would not only fire them but would want many, like the Inauguration 16, to hang from a rope.

elliot-3020456 #1.4

The guys an anti semite.

ARE YOU ANTIAMERICAN? Is your loyalty to Israel, to the Zionists is all that matters?

Israel is a tiny, insignificant state, created by the careless British and the stupid Americans. It has no power except what its american protector provides. Yet, despite Israel's insignificance, it rules Washington.When a resolution introduced by the Israel Lobby is delivered to Congress, it passes unanimously.

If Israel wants war, Israel gets its wish. When Israel commits war crimes against Palestinians and Lebanon and is damned by the hundred plus UN resolutions passed against Israel's criminal actions, the US bails Israel out of trouble with its veto.The power that tiny Israel exercises over the "world's only superpower" is unique in history.

Tens of millions of "christians" bow down to this power, reinforcing it, moved by the exhortations of their "christian" ministers.

WOW! There is a lot of truth in this article, hyperbole too and definitely need to read. I wonder, how many of Americans' lawmakers are dual citizens with Israel--that can't be good. Talk about a conflict of interest(s). And, anyone that brings out the truth of Israeli bad deeds is labeled anti semite--B.S. Eliot.

http://www.thedailybell.com/4189/Paul-Craig-Roberts-Is-Washington-Deaf-As-Well-as-Criminal

Are republicans locked in denial, or what? Cannot believe they are still determined to make the black man a one term president. HELLO, anybody home, guess not.

If you don't praise Jews, or even worse, if you point out the Jewish lobby, you're antisemitic. Nothing about being anti-American, or anything that would truly effect his ability to do the job, just misrepresented views about Jews. That in and of itself proves just how slanted the media/Washington is toward Israel.

Just when I think I cant lose any more respect for Republicans... You can almost feel the hate boiling out of all those 70 something year old white guys. They just cant stand that a black man is preferred over them.

Frightening! IMO

Hahahaha....A Republican for SOD? And they still continue to pretend that there is any difference between Bush & Obama!

Bush = Obama and in 2013 only a Wall Street Corporate Corrupted "Fool" would believe otherwise!

Psst and now they want to "Disarm" Americans for their Corporate Masters?

You Sheople had better wake up quick before you find yourselves going further up the Corporate Slaughter Chute of Tyranny!

Viva La Madam Guillotine and down with Corporate Tyrants!

Remember the days when presidents used to get to pick their own team to work with during their term? whether the opposition liked it or not? The legislative branch has assumed too much power over the executive branch. This isn't checks-and-balances, it's tyranny. I'd give McTurtle's left nut for a government that worked!

f you don't praise Jews,

youre clearly exaggerating here

or even worse, if you point out the Jewish lobby, you're antisemitic.

The question you have to ask yourself is why them? Why point out the "Jewish lobby"? Certainly they are only one of hundreds of lobbying agencies in D.C.

When you view that fact in the context of his previous statements, most notably calls to negotiate with an internationally recognized terrorist organization with a stated goal of the destruction of Israel, you'll see why most people have their doubts about him

Nothing about being anti-American, or anything that would truly effect his ability to do the job, just misrepresented views about Jews.

No one misrepresented anything. I have stated above his exact positoins

I'm glad the rest of the country got to see what a real Senator looks like, when Angus King went on MTP. Hey, red states, this is what a reasonable politican looks like! Try electing one yourself,would ya?

Roy Far Out... what positive did you have to add to the conversation? All you did was put down Feisty. Try something like this...

I don't agree with what X said, and I think we should ...

It goes a long way in having you be a more credible poster, rather than a whacked-out right wing loon!

I'm Jewish all the way to the end of my....oops, it's gone. Blasting the 'Jewish lobby' is no more anti-Semitic than blasting corporate lobbyists is anti-American. Our government should be making decisions that are best for the US and oftentimes the US and Israel have different interests (real or perceived), just as the US and industry oftentimes have different interests (would we really be better off with no environmental regulations?). That said, I'd enjoy watching Mitch the Bitch and the Republic Party block the nomination...another nail in their coffin. Let them explain how they blocked a Republican war vet, but they're not 'the party of no.'

Boy Amy, couldn't agree more, Angus King was really impressive. Of course the G.O.P. probably don't think so since he has decided to caucus with the dems. You know, the way the repubnuts are acting it won't be long before we have a one party system. Even the dimwits in the south will have to see how ineffective it is to have a republican congress.

When Hagel left the Senate, McConnell called him "a clear voice on foreign policy and national security."

During a pre-taped appearance on ABC's "This Week," McConnell appeared to back off that view. "The question we will be answering if he's the nominee is 'do his views make sense for that particular job?'" he said.

These hypocrites are so nasty, they eat their own. These republicans in office in the last 4 years have really shown their TRUE colors, I wonder why! I'm glad they never had me fooled....LOL!!!!!

On another note, I love the way the Gulf Coast republican senators/congress people, are turning against the fine folks of NJ/NY on their needed Super storm Sandy relief. Gulf Coast republicans, who suffer hurricane losses every time you turn around, are turning their backs on East Coast folks. How hypocritical is that?

What a bunch of hypocrites, do I see a republican "swift boat" against a fellow republican in the makings?

Ya, it doesn't make sense to appoint someone who's been in the military and been in a war into the Secretary of Defense position. The Republicans would rather have a businessman in that job. Look at the great job businessmen have done on our last two wars. Of course, I think it is likely the goal wasn't to win those wars but to make a few people more wealthy and only at the cost of thousands of lives. For every contract Haliburton had in those wars, and they had several, they made over $250,000 for each US soldier killed and they were even the cause of some of those deaths - so say several million dollars for every American soldier who died in those wars. Not bad, and the CEO's didn't even break a sweat!

Congratulations, and thanks, to Chuck Hagel for 'assuming the position'.

Anyone who equates communist with republicans is really lost.

The Republicans would rather have a businessman

Another really lost statement.

Surprisingly, BOTH parties normally take care to find someone related history to the post. Even Hillary was on a sub-committee on assessing threats before she was nominated for secretary of state.

You right wingers are really funny. Look, don't you think we all know that you will blame everything Obama does on him. So he knows you will have a fit when he appoints a Republican, done deal, he is in the back room laughing while you are having a fit. You think he cares? It is just one more nail in your cofin as observed by the American (and world) public. Just keep it up dudes, we all love to see just how bad you are. Not to mention that YOU can't get a darn thing done in congress.

jrae

The process is supposed to be about ensuring the person the president chooses is qualified. Rice was unqualified based on her lax attendance to UN meetings that the UN ambassador should have been to protect US interests. Back in her history she also was involved in another security breach of an embassy where fortunately no one was killed.

I think Hagel will get grilled for the Anti-sematic attitude, and he should. I'm certain doing so is intended to let him know to drop it during his tenure.

So now even other REPUBLICANS are smeared if they dare work for President Obama's administration? The anti-semite smear is totally unproven and something the GOPTP had no problem with when he was working alongside them...now it's a deal breaker? Look at the history, it's clear these are nothing but efforts to destroy the duly elected President of these United States.

-- John Kerry, decorated war hero and longstanding member of the Senate with distinction, was actually a dirty coward whose lack of valor resulted in the deaths of fellow soldiers...until Republicans saw an opportunity to perhaps move Scott Brown back into the Senate. Suddenly Kerry is the ONLY person qualified to be Secretary of State.

-- Susan Rice had to be destroyed personally and professionally for daring to be ambassador to the UN on the date of the Benghazi attack...ignoring the fact that such attacks occurred repeatedly during the GW Bush Administration with the deaths of quite a few people.

-- The President finds Chuck Hagel, former Senator and man of considerable foreign policy expertise...and out of the blue he's an anti-semite simply because he isn't John Bolton.

The pattern here is obvious...the GOPTP remains on the same course that "served them so well" in the 2012 elections. The people have spoken...DO SOMETHING USEFUL OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!

Amy, I have heard other interviews with Angus King and am very impressed by him. We need more like him to get the real work done.

Chuck Hagels comments and ideas on the middle east are far from out of the blue he's been outspoken on this issue for years. But I fail to see how these opinions should prevent him from being a competent SOD.

wetwilly-Let's see now. Hagal is a known anti-Semite and expresses favorable opinions about Iran and even Hamas. He's been consistent about this over the years, just go back through the years and into to the 80's and read many of his statements.

Hagel,said the Jewish lobby for Israel has a lot of power here. A statement that is absolutely true,and everyone knows it.Since when does that make him an anti-Semite. If I said the Christian conservatives had a lot of power in the Republican Party.Does that make me anti-Christian. Since when is stating fact on anything inherently taking a side.

Saying that we should try to negotiate with our opponents (Iran and Hamas).Isn't the same as "expresses favorable opinions" about them. What is wrong with common sense for a change. We have already negotiated secretly with them on limited issues for years.

The fact is,my only concern about Hagel,would be that he's a conservative,and a Republican.But I'm not the President,and I don't get to pick who I want as SOD. That's his choice to make. If he thinks Hagel would do a good job for him,so be it.

Michèle Flournoy for Secretary of Defense - the first female to take this job.

She is VERY VERY qualified.

@Marion, an annihilation is getting 49 of 50 states in electoral college votes. Ronald Reagan got over 525 electoral votes to Mondale's 13, now that America, is a landslide. But thanks for playing.

Actually, Hagel is exactly who I would want, someone who won't kiss up to, or kiss Israel's ass.

Ronald Reagan got over 525 electoral votes to Mondale's 13, now that America, is a landslide.

Yep, and ya'll turning on Reagan too, your self confessed savior, even though he said:

“Social Security, let’s lay it to rest once and for all… Social security has nothing to do with the deficit. Social Security is totally funded by the payroll tax levied on employer and employee. If you reduce the outgo of Social Security, that money would not go into the general fund or reduce the deficit. It would go into the Social Security Trust Fund. So Social Security has nothing to do with balancing a budget or raising or lowering the deficit.”

Ronald Reagan

October 7, 1984

i told my boss i wanted to be a true american and do my part to fund the government and social security.he says what?i said i need a raise.he just laughed and told me i was destined to be a moocher.if i had a million id be a republican too

The dramatic flip in Republican opinion toward Hagel proves it once and for all;

Hypocrisy, thy name is Conservative.

Still wondering what part of Jewish Lobbyists is an inaccurate or biased statement. Example: http://www.aipac.org/ , among many others.

matthew,

see my post above

Only the low information baggers and cons would not know that the SOD does and says what the President tells him to do and say. You clowns act like he is going to be deciding policy. Ahhhh, no he won't. He's not big on the Jewish Lobby, so what, a lot of people aren't.

You guys on the right(wrong) are just showing the rest of the country what low life idiots you've become and given them another reason to not vote for any candidate you put up for election. 2014 is going to be a very tough year for the Republicans. It doesn't have to be but they just can't help themselves. The baggers have them on this hate everything Obama trajectory and they refuse to veer off of it. Oh well, so be it. We'll all wave as they leave the halls of the capital.

@Dennis; your post is a as lopsided as a two way street.

So the S.O.D. takes his orders from the POTUS. Who in his cabinet doesn't? Just look at Rice she was sent out by the POTUS and told to deliver those lies for three weeks until the truth came out.

Sounds to me like the libbies are the ones picking and choosing when to pick and when to follow. OH Wait! That's what the mindless libbies do. Follow without question.

Republicans are like Parana (Sp.?) They eat their won just to be at opposites with the powers that be!

So, garcher,

Your saying that it was acceptable for McCain, C. Rice, and McConnel to lie point blank for weeks to the American public about wmd's in Iraq. But S. Rice reading from a statement supplied and approved by the intelligence community was a bad thing. Refresh my memory, which lie was more costly to this country?

So many people are too willing to immediately play the anti-semite card the minute someone says anything negative about or dares to even question the actions of the state of Israel.

"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance." David Ben-Gurion, first prime minister of Israel

"For eight years now, they have sat in the refugee camps of Gaza and have watched how, before their very eyes, we have turned their lands and villages, where they and their forefathers previously dwelled, into our home." General Moshe Dayan, Israeli military hero - 1956

Roy far on the Right

Typical right wing non-argument. Why is that when you fellas have a chance to really offer an opinion, you instead choose to attack someone with whom you disagree? You would be better off and offer more support to your position if you would just close you trap, since all you can do is offer an argumentative ad hominem fallacy as response. Instead if lending any semblance of import to a discussion you detract from anything of value that may be proposed by an intelligent speaker on your side of the issue. You are exactly what is wrong with the American discourse in today's world and why the rest of the world guffaws at our country.

Just look at Rice she was sent out by the POTUS and told to deliver those lies for three weeks until the truth came out.

Yeah, that's why Condoleeza had nothing but my deepest contempt.

Watch very closely which pro-Israel traitors will come out of the woodwork to attack Hagel's nomination. Mark their names in your memory and never vote for them.

I have said it before and I will say it again:

The only people Republicans hate worse than Democrats is their fellow Republicans!

Sheesh! Do you think Republicans will actually let anything get done?

Hagel would put the USA first and Likud could go home and cry.

Yes Mike, American Likudnik traitors in US Congress will be foaming at the mouth trying to derail this nomination. They know that if they attack Iran Hagel will tell them to go f..k themselves.

elliot-3020456

The guys an anti semite. The dems wouldn't want a member of the KKK on their team so why would they want an anti semite. Oh wait the dems love racists and bigots, just a couple of years ago they had the KKK grand cycloptic wizard Robert Byrd.

Wow, you guys really do throw each other under the bus when one of you quits foaming at the mouth don't you? Really bizarre. You really aren't a party you're a circular firing squad waiting for one of your own to flinch.

Most of GOP Congressmen believe that 'getting anything done' = 'big government'. And because they supposedly don't like big government, they will not allow anything to actually get done.

This is a fairly long thread. Yet, it seems there is not a single reference (link) to statements made or actions taken by Hagel regarding his alledged anti-Israel and/or pro-Iran statements...or, anything else for that matter.

Apparently, all Hagel's Newsvine foes are satisfied with only the word of the MSM for Hagel's supposed sins.

In any case, it seems the GOPeaParty is about to fall into yet another trap expertly laid by the Obama administration.

• This is The United States of America, not the united states of Israel. Senators take an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, not the constitution of Israel.

Spoken like a true Nazi believer.

Lindsey Graham is just being a partisan Idiot. Like it or not, Chuck Hagel had the sense to understand a US $1 trillion venture in Iraq was unwinnable. And Hagel had the courage to say truth when it wasn't popular during a period everyone wanted to search the dark for WMD's that weren't in Iraq. They may have not adored how Hagel said the truth. But....looking back at the validity of his statements. We can now see Hagel had it right and those GOP Senators now willing to vote against him were wrong on the issues when casting their votes with lack of insight. This isn't about Hagel's judgement. It's about the GOP's political vendetta...

That's right Tttt. The media focus is being framed as "a lot of people in Congress don't like Hagel." All well and good but the really important thing is WHY a lot of people in Congress don't like Hagel. They don't like him because he was RIGHT when the people who don't like him were WRONG.

Who are they kidding? The freaking communist republicans that want to control any and everything are so predictable. Must be why they have never won a war without the democrats coming in later and cleaning up their mess both domestic and abroad. Hell, if Obama nominated McCain, the republicans would attack him and accusing him of working with the enemy and being a turncoat.

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piss off, zionist

elliot - Hagel is not an anti semite. He is more likely sick and tired of the influence Israel has had in our government policies. He probably feels that it is long past time for Israel to start carrying their own weight and stop relying on handouts from the American taxpayer.

He realizes that Iran would be far more useful as a trading partner for the US, than as an enemy, because of Israel's paranoid delusions thgat Iran is some kind of threat.

Netanyahu and his colleagues have been claiming that Iran willl have a nuclear bomb since 1992 and still no bomb. Read quotes below:

1992: Israeli
parliamentarian Benjamin Netanyahu tells his colleagues that Iran is 3 to 5
years from being able to produce a nuclear weapon – and that the threat
had to be "uprooted by an international front headed by the US."

1992:
Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres tells French TV that Iran was set to have
nuclear warheads by 1999. "Iran is the greatest threat and greatest
problem in the Middle East," Peres warned, "because it seeks the
nuclear option while holding a highly dangerous stance of extreme religious
militancy."

1992:
Joseph Alpher, a former official of Israel's Mossad spy agency, says "Iran
has to be identified as Enemy No. 1." Iran's nascent nuclear program, he
told The New York Times, "really gives Israel the jitters."

Hagel was smart enough to oppose the war in Iraq for Israel, which by itself, makes him the right man for the job of Secretary of Defense. The war in Iraq was planned and sold by Zionists, led by Paul Wolfowitz, while working for Sharon in 1996. They plan they authored was called - “A Clean Break: A new Strategy For Securing The Realm”. Look it up.

Hagel recognized the fact and does not want a repeat in Iran. Do you?

The Bush Administration stocked the Pentagon with dual citizen Zionists, who cherry picked and manipulated intelligence to make their case for the Iraq war. Read below:

Zionist
warmongers like Ken Adelman and the Zionist Washington Post pushed the war in
an editorial titled, “Cakewalk in Iraq.” Jewish supremacists Richard Perle and
Paul Wolfowitz told you that Iraq would “Welcome us as liberators.” Iraq became
the longest war in American history. Here is a report from USA Today: “Pentagon
officials estimated for the first time Wednesday that up to 360,000 Iraq and
Afghanistan veterans may have suffered traumatic brain injuries.” Now that’s
not counting tens of thousands who have suffered maiming, amputations, or death
in this war based on lies.

They said the war would be a "cakewalk", instead it will cost the US over 3.5 trillion dollars, all borrowed from China. Do you think we should thank Wolfowitz and his cabal of neocons for their splendid efforts? Why must we keep sending Israel billions, each and every year, which on a per caqpita basis amounts to over $500.00 for each man, woman and child in Israel.

“To learn who rules over you simply find out who are not
allowed to criticize”

—–Voltaire

agree wholeheartedly with ".Voltaitre". Those are close to my same points of view:

Besides, there is nothing wrong if the guys speaks against any Country or group if he has the interest of the USA first and foremost.

We are tired of us making policies for the benefit of the Israelis...America first!!

We won't let the dialogue be kidnapped by the minority and obsolete warmongering GOP right.

Netanyu, even wanted to influence the last election..we'll vote him out too in the next election!!

you idiot if we don't give them billions 500$ each they will come here to get it

Israel is the 51 state of the union why do you think they call themselves "The State of Israel""

better prepare my computrer for the hacks and angry "Birds now that I said that

That's a pretty silly argument. They're a sovereign state, so what should they call themselves?

Does anyone of these intelligent posters on newsvine have a good example of HOW the United States changed its policy because of Israel.

I suspect not because we have always been in favor of a Democracy in the Middle east among the Muslem radical states.

If you mess with Israel the United States will kick your ass and the other countries that border Israel know that to be a FACT.

"This is a president who has drunk the tea," Cruz said on Fox News Sunday "He's high on re-election right now."

Here's hoping he drinks the Kool Aid!

@Carl Lafoon

"Does anyone of these intelligent posters on newsvine have a good example of HOW the United States changed its policy because of Israel.

I suspect not because we have always been in favor of a Democracy in the Middle east among the Muslem radical states.

If you mess with Israel the United States will kick your ass and the other countries that border Israel know that to be a FACT."

You ask how the U.S. has changed its policy, one sentence later you declare protection for Israel from any of it's neighbors...

Unless unconditional protection for Israel and hatred of Palestine was written into our constitution, SHAZAM!!! You answered your own question. That's like newsvine masturbation!

P.S. (it's MUSLIM)

feisty needs to take a 10 year sabbatical to death valley with no electricity or food and water just live off the land America would be a better place Take reid maddow pelosi and obama with her for her listening pleasure

What does it taste like Aggie-345886?

Carl Lafoon

Does anyone of these intelligent posters on newsvine have a good example of HOW the United States changed its policy because of Israel.

How about the attack on the USS Liberty? If any other nation did that, it would have been viewed as an act of war. But Israel kills over 2 dozen of our finest and Washington says,"That's okay. Mistakes happen."We should have bombed Tel Aviv over that. And before you defend this overt act of war, let's make clear that it occurred during broad daylight over a period of several hours in a moderate wind that had our flag flying. This was not an accident. It was a deliberate attack on us. With friends like these...

No wonder everyone hates them except misguided people who claim to be Christian but don't know their Bible and don't understand that Jesus already disowned these losers.

just want to say fiesty you must be a paid troll. Your always on these boards like white on rice.

Chuck Hagle is more than qualified for the job of Defence Secretary..... so of course every Republican jerk will object to his nomination.... that's what they do.

As far as Hagle being an anti-Semite, that's just an other steaming pile of phony right wing Bull S@#$.

Anybody that wants to know what’s poisoning America’s political system all they have to do is take a good look at the “Grand Obstructionist Party” and they’ll find the answer.

It appears the "Carl Bafoon" is more interested in the safety of Israel than the lives of American soldiers.

As far as Hagle being an anti-Semite, that's just an other steaming pile of phony right wing Bull S@#$.

Well said. It's worth noting that even the term "anti-Semite" has been corrupted by Conservatives. In their world it means someone who won't do everything in his power to back the most virulent elements of Israeli politics. The Religious Right DO NOT want what's best for Israel...they want to make sure America is "on the side of Israel" when Armageddon begins. In the perverse logic normal in today's Conservative Movement "being on the side of Israel" means helping in its destruction so the Second Coming of Christ can occur as prophesized. It has nothing to do with trying to create peace in the Middle East and an environment in which Israel AND its neighbors can be long term, stable institutions.

Time to start breathing, Thomas.

While the right hand moves, you can't see what the left hand is doing.!! It's all an illusion.

"H.J. Res. 15"

Bye bye term limits. Hello Dictator.!!

""This is a president who has drunk the tea,"? Maybe his detractors should lay off the scotch. I've come to appreciate the term "reactionary" in its full meaning. Anything the President suggests is instantly, without any pretense of consideration, rejected by the Republican House. We pay these people to think, not to hate.

If President Obama nominated John McCain for the position, the GOP right would do all in their power to destroy him, too. It has nothing to do with the nominee's qualifications and everything to do with obsessively obstructing our democratically elected President who is not a far right extremist slave to the Koch brothers and the military-industrial complex.

Why then, Carl, did the United States overthrow the democratically elected prime minister Mosaddegh in favor of the Shah (a fascist king) in 1954? The United States cares nothing about democracy anywhere in the world. The nation is and has been (since the end of the second world war) driven by the need to form a empire based on strict adherence to their form of capitalism, which is not true capitalism but rather laissez faire pandering to the corporate regimes. We also did thid to the Greeks, Italians, the Congo, Chile, Bolivia, Granada, Honduras, and the Sandinista government in Nicaragua. And before you attempt to use your clouded version of history, the Sandinista built hospitals and schools for the people of Nicaragua and in doing so, took the infant death count fro nearly 60 % to around 10% (better then the U.S.) and raised their literacy rate from 10% to 90% (again, better than the U.S.) all while raising half of their populace out of poverty. The Reagan administration backed the contras to destroy this simply because the Sandinista were a socialist government.

You should learn some history before you attempt to support your insupportable position with it.

gw-684624

feisty needs to take a 10 year sabbatical to death valley with no electricity or food and water just live off the land America would be a better place Take reid maddow pelosi and obama with her for her listening pleasure

What an intelligent comment relating directly to the issue at hand. You teabaggers cannot raise a legitimate argument in support of the far-right senators cited in the article, so you do what the teabaggers do best...attack Democrats. You prove yourselves to be mindless ideologues time and time again. You will loose the next election and continue to loose elections for the Republican party because they cannot or will not divorce themselves from your insanity. You have proven to the American People that you lust power at any price and have no inclination to govern what so ever. You threaten to secede if things don't go your way...please do. This time we won't lift a finger to bring you back, much less bleed.

Hagel can't pass the 'republican' litmus test. The fact that he would help Obama proves that he is not a true republican. It is a color issue. Hagel has proved that he is not white enough.

I would bet all these GOP bashers know next to nothing about Hagle. Many of these posters would confirm him, or anyone, even Chavez if Obama nominated him.

milklit....You've already tasted the Kool-aid, you tell me. ..

What are you talking about?

Calling someone a tremendous patriot and statesman is judging? Wow. No words, just, Wow.

What are the Senators afraid of is it because he is a Veteran....????

BillyBob...how many purple hearts do you need to be awarded to be called a tremendous patriot?

From Fiesty, yes, that is as good as it gets. To avoid daine bramage, put on IGNORE.

Billy Bob, thats not judging, his enlistment in the military when there were little to no incentives to join says PATRIOT, his first purple heart says TREMENDOUS, and the second says STATESMAN. A man whose accomplishments speak for themselves. Goodnight

"Chuck Hagel is a tremendous patriot and statesman,"...

in the first part she prejudges and in the second part complains about prejudging.

Prejudgement? WTF are you objecting to?

patriot? the man served in Viet Nam and earned a Purple Heart. Of course, we saw how much Republicans respect that when they "swift-boated" John Kerry, didn't we?

statesman? In the article itself, it says When Hagel left the Senate, McConnell called him "a clear voice on foreign policy and national security." Oh, I guess we can't take any recommendations from Hagel's own party, Republicans, either, can we? And the fact that a Democratic president nominated him, a Republican? Well, that is certain proof that he has no statemanship, eh?

I have said it before and I will say it again: The only people Republicans hate worse than Democrats is their fellow Republicans!

Exactly...and the Right is depending on our lap dog, equivocating MSM to pretend none of those facts exist. Every issue is treated as "some people say," ignoring the rank hypocrisy and blatant lying from the Conservative Movement.

I've got news for the media...if they stop treating the correct solution as something midway between what is demonstrable by fact and "death panels" or "balance the budget by reducing deductions", or "Chuck Hagel is an anti-Semite" all this goes away...and perhapse in the bargain people start reading newspapers and watching the news again.

from friday on this site: "There are as many as 10 Democratic senators who could vote no, Capitol Hill sources say."

will these 10 be allowed to vote against hagel and not be called racists as you imply in your post?

@billybob-6210632

I see nothing in his post that shows an ounce of racism. The past 4 years have shown the reluctance of the Rep to approve anyone that Obama nominates, regardless of post.

Excuse me billybob but there is not a single thing racist about DeMerl's post.

The fact that the GNOP will simply vote against something just because Obama wants it is NOT racist just accurate.

chris, cg -- you need to come here more often. disagreeing with the president is considered racist by many folks on this site.

it is not possible to disagree with his policies here without being called racist.

What we're seeing here is the truth about all the "bipartisanship" cr-p the Rs keep spewing. No matter how often Obama reaches across the aisle, no matter how much he compromises, no matter how many Republican policies he implements, no matter how many Republicans he nominates to cabinet positions, it will never be enough.

Billybob you have it half right. The Dems disagree on principle, race not a factor. The GNOP is also on pricnciple but with a great deal of racism thrown in.

Talk about casting stones....

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting you believe what you just said."

Bill Buckley, Jr. on hypocrisy

DeMerl quote:

It's not Senator Hagel that rankles Republicans, it's who is nominating him, as usual. It doesn't matter who President Obama nominates, they're opposed. Typical small ball from the Party of No.

Dear De Merl: You are right on target. The GOP is out to lunch and stupidly shooting theemselves in all their little feet. And other parts North. They are demonstrating that they would destroy our nation economically if it would destroy our legally elected -- by a large margin -- biracial president. A sure way to keep Democrats in the Oval Office Ad infinitum. Arrogant Fools.

Only cowards play the race card.

Hows this for a race card? ---I hate that NASCAR got their pork attatched to the tax bill. I guess I am just a coward.

billybob-6210632

from friday on this site: "There are as many as 10 Democratic senators who could vote no, Capitol Hill sources say."

will these 10 be allowed to vote against hagel and not be called racists as you imply in your post?

Billybob...no doubt. Chuck Hagel is Republican. It speaks well for the Democratic Party that not only is he being nominated by a Democratic President but that only 10 Democratic Senators have voiced opposition so far...absolutely remarkable. But you see Billybob, that's the difference between the Republican/Tea Party and the Democratic Party. We are interested in governing this Country and don't care what a qualified American's political affiliation are. Perhaps you should stop criticizing something truly remarkable and take notes!

upstate -- are you so blind as to believe that republicans have a lock on being butt holes?

amazing if so. how about when a senator in 2006 made some derogatory remarks about the president and the debt he was running up? now that senator was truly a butt hole.

Yeah but being butt holes is something the GNOP has really mastered.

@billybob-6210632

upstate -- are you so blind as to believe that republicans have a lock on being butt holes?

amazing if so. how about when a senator in 2006 made some derogatory remarks about the president and the debt he was running up? now that senator was truly a butt hole.

How about that @ssclown Republican Joe Wilson and his "You lie" Or Boehner's recent "Go f*ck yourself" Both done very publicly.

Dems have some jerks, there is no doubt about that, but the Rep Party sure produces them in larger quantity.

Look at the republican/tea party now our their eating their own older members of their party. Who says their not in disarray.

Chris from Yucaipa......You mention gaffs made by Boehner etc...what about this, Biden, to a newly elected female Senator, "Spread your legs, your going to be frisked' or his comment to a very large black audience, 'He wants to put you back in chains' so it's not just one side it cover all sides.

I'm with Boehner on the Reid thing...I've often said it myself...

Why do the Dems spend so much of our tax money on buying votes? eh upstate porta john.

stopfreeloaders Hey where do I go to sign up for the free stuff that big oil gets in their corporate welfare package.

stan-3871705

Chris from Yucaipa......You mention gaffs made by Boehner etc...what about this, Biden, to a newly elected female Senator, "Spread your legs, your going to be frisked' or his comment to a very large black audience, 'He wants to put you back in chains' so it's not just one side it cover all sides.

Maybe if you got your facts straight, I might not have to embarrass you in front of everyone. Biden made that comment to the Senator's HUSBAND.

When a photographer told the husband of Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.) to drop his hands to his sides, Biden added, “Spread your legs: You’re going to be frisked.” He added, “You say that to somebody in North Dakota, they think it’s a frisk.”

“They think you’re in trouble, right?” he asked Heitkamp’s husband, a doctor. He shrugged.

Here, how about you watch it for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NO2I61S-3lM#!

As for your other comment about the chains, why not include the entire quote and the context of it's use.

“We got a real clear picture of what they all value,” Biden said. “Every Republican’s voted for it. Look at what they value and look at their budget and what they’re proposing. Romney wants to let the — he said in the first hundred days he’s going to let the big banks once again write their own rules, ‘unchain Wall Street.’ They’re going to put y’all back in chains.”

I don't care if the audience was black, white, yellow or green. The quote had absolutely nothing to do with race as any normal sane person could see.

Care to respond?

And don't forget VP Cheney's "f*** you" to Vermont Senator Patrick Leahy while VP C was testifiying on the Hill. Really classy folk there. Said it right out loud, on the capitol steps, with many newsmen and other citizens watching, listening. Talk about arrogance!

@publia

Actually he said the same thing Boehner said, "Go F*ck yourself".

I guess Boehner just likes to keep things consistent...

Well I guess you can call both sides this word since there happens to be bipartisan opposition, lol. And ask the same question as to why we pay the democrats as well, to do nothing.

Because they are "Republi-constipated". You can tell by what overflows from their lying, greedy mouths. We would be better served if they would just STFU and do the job the PEOPLE of AMERICA pay them way too much to do, rather than doing whatever "Poopy-Head" Grover wants.

44 years ago I was taught that treason during time of war was punishable by death, but that was when boys were drafted to fight an unpopular war and had to fight for their lives while drawing an average paycheck of less than $300 per month. What do we pay these 'traitors in the GOP' these days... $14,000 per month? And they don't live in foxholes, nor do they eat cold food out of green tin cans while standing in the rain.

At least Chuck Hagel had the stones to volunteer when his colleagues were dodging military service. When asked by reporters, Mr. Rumsfeld said "It was not in MY BEST INTERESTS to go into the service". It probably wasn't in Mr. Hagel's nor mine, but we went! We went, we fought, we were wounded...all in the best interest of our country. Now the GOPTP wants to cut our benefits. CHICKENSH*T CHICKENHAWKS

You have disgrace John Wayne, he's dead, but was a life long Republican

60's veteran - This fight is not about disgracing the party or comments about gays. It is about Israel's wishes that Hagel not be the Sec. of Defense. The fight is entirely about Hagel's stand on Israel and Iran. The Israelis want a war monger in the post, who will be more likely to attack Iran. They are afraid Hagel will not act without proof there is an actual threat.

No more wars for Israel. Stop aid to Israel and spend the money to reduce our debt.

Hardcoffeeat6am:

You have disgrace John Wayne, he's dead, but was a life long Republican

So was President/General Dwight Eisenhower, one of our finest military officers and presidents.

The honorable republican party of Eisenhower & Wayne's day bears no resemblance whatsoever to today's party by the same name.

So you think the today democratic party is the same?, My Grand father was a member of the KKK and was a big time member of the democratic party back in the 20's 30's 40's & 50's he told me some sad story of what the democratic party did to black people back then. Back in 1976 I voted for Jimmy Carter, why, he was from Georgia that's all, just like people voted for Obama only do that he is black. I feel we need to vote for who's going to help American, And Obama & Romney was not the one I wanted. When we are young we vote for who's cool and not who will really help us get America back on track.

On nearly every thread Conservatives explain their conclusion regarding the 2012 elections. They believe Barack Obama and Democrats won because "the wrong people" voted.

This fight will be a test of who controls our government. Will the winner be AIPAC or the American people. Our Congress has a choice. The votes will be recorded and hopefully, every one of the ones who vote the AIPAC line will be voted out of Congress, regardless if Hagel is confirmed or not. We cannot allow Israel to control America. Wasn't the Iraq war enough?

That smarmy Lindsey Graham, John McCain and Joe Lieberman make me want to puke. They have been serving the interests of Israel since the day they were sworn in. Now they are hot for action against Syria and a war against Iran. A Hagel appointment would at least give us a sane voice in our government.

The Republicans and the Israel supporters who oppose Hagel will throw up smokescreens to obscure their real reasons for fighting against him, but as usual, it is all about Israel.

Repubs will argue, Obama will criticize, Repubs will fold.

Arrogant lately, Barack got about the same percentage of the vote, where is this grand revolution you all want us to see, because I , for one, do not see it.

I know that once the Hispanics realize that voting democratic goes against their religious values, and when the blacks, like myself, wake up and realize that ever since they have begun voting democratic, unwed births are at 2 out of 3 the births, that the marriage rate has declined, then maybe you all will not be so smug. I thought slavery had been defeated but leave it to the democrats to revive it. It worked for them back in the day, and it is apparently working now.

Luscha you are a fool. I don't even know where to end or begin on your ignorance exhibit

The President, regardless of Party, should be able to assemble his own cabinet and not have major opposition, unless a choice has very serious concerns, or is truly incompetent. This fighting over various minor points and personalities only creates more divid and more gridlock.

"I think he'll be subjected to the same kind of oversight hearings that any nominee for such an important position would expect," McConnell said.

Reminds me of the time that little Donny Rumsfeld rose to the rank of White House Chief of Staff for the last two years of Gerald Ford... Then Gerald tapped him for Secretary of Defense but lost the race and old Donny went back into private business, right after he replaced himself as White House Chief of Staff with one of his own staffers... Dick Cheney. Fast forward 20 some-odd years and V.P. Dick Cheney Invites 'ol Rummy back as Secretary of Defense... Two miss-run wars and a token resignation later, you've got the makings for a real republican benchmark... Do keep flapping you republican miscreant infidels.

Hi fuzzy! I noticed that , too. He is a re-reg that was finally banned a few months ago. It was my pleasure to have helped contribute to the demise of another bigot and I will take great pleasure in doing so again and again! ;-) Now he is substituting his usual HNIC for HMIC...his ignorant observance of thinking that(HMIC) is more polically correct than HNIC! ....sigh

Hey billybob, the key word in that is could.

Well I, for one, would say....OK, Hagel's history. Now who?

How about you? What would you say?

Hagel is by far not the Best. Hillary would do a better job and we all know how well she handled Libya. My God even McCain would be a better choice. The president just put up is name to try to split the Republican party. I just wish he would run for president of Iran, now that would help us.

Hagel is a republican in "R" only. My pet goldfish is more of a republican then him. Obama wants a so called republican in the defence department so when he chops the defence budget they can say a Republican did it. In all the things mentioned in the article he is about as much of a republican as Arlin Spector was.

The word for for self-destructive political tendencies is "Republican." Let's see if it catches on in other fields.

If Republican is the self-destructive tendencies, then I guess Democrat is the work for total distruction of the human race.

300Michael, please educate your goldfish!

Wow 300Michael is a dumb@!$%#.

300Michael

Hagel is a republican in "R" only. My pet goldfish is more of a republican then him. Obama wants a so called republican in the defence department so when he chops the defence budget they can say a Republican did it. In all the things mentioned in the article he is about as much of a republican as Arlin Spector was.

Actually 300Michael, your pet goldfish is probably more of a conservative than the entire Republican Party. Regarding your comment about "chops to the defense budget", the defense budget is going to be cut...period! It's already started. It's called RIF (Reduction in Force) and it happens at the end of every major conflict. In addition, the Tea Party members of the 112th Congress refused to approve increasing the debt ceiling without an agreement to the sequester (20% across the board cut to the Federal Government), which includes the DOD. So you can blame Obama till your face turns blue but the true fault lies with the Tea Party members of the 112th Congress.

As to your comment about Hagel and Spector not being Republicans, they didn't leave the party, the party left them. Look at the way the Republicans in Congress treated Bob Dole just a month ago. Bob Dole is a life long Republican, a former Senator and a WWII hero. I anticipate by the end of this year the Republican Party will publicly denounce Ronald Reagan. After all he raised taxes 8 times and granted Amnesty to Illegal Aliens.

yea, what's up with Israel, they are some racist hate filled people

Israel's dislike is for only one country right now...Iran. They want to attack them with out warning the US. Netanyahu doesn't trust Obama and Obama with a good many of the western leaders don't like Netanyahu. Hagel would be an opponent to war with Iran. He wouldn't rubber stamp wars as has Obama and previous presidents have. We need a man that respects the blood of the American who puts his boots on the ground in harms way for this country. Do you want 10 more years of war? Do you want a perpetual war mindset? Israel can fight its own wars that doesn't make you a anti-semite. I would say at worst his nationalistic and thats the right thing we need now.

they are staying longer to make it look like some kind of victory, letting our soldiers die like dogs