Feisty,

It is now TEN WEEKS since Sandy hit. No wonder King and Christie went after GOP for blocking disaster funding.

(Btw, small businesses that were destroyed by Sandy will get GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE TO REBUILD.)

It is the GOP "Club for Growth" that is saying No. Let's be hearing what they say, if ever their own towns are hit by disaster.

How is it that ANY elected official can be that f-ing obtuse? These same jerks are all on the corporate welfare wagon. Of that you can be sure. It's a sad day for America when we realize how utterly contemptible these people are!

This is an outrage! How dare we help our fellow Americans! I mean come on, it's only been two months since the devastation, why are those in the affected areas so damn anxious?! Oh, yeah, that's right, they would actually like to be able to begin the process of rebuilding their lives and their communities. How silly of me!

Vote NO on the 67 PUKES in the House!

Expose the cockroaches who are beholden to special interest groups... NOW!

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It's hard for me to believe I'm actually in agreement with the Nasty DumbFux.

I also want to know whose special interest lobbyist asses the Dem Senators were French-kissing when they larded up this "disaster relief" bill with lots of unrelated pork spending!!!

A congress in need is a congress indeed.

The activist conservative organization The Club for Growth, for one, urged members to vote no Friday morning.

“Congress should not allow the federal government to be involved in the flood insurance industry in the first place, let alone expand the national flood insurance program's authority,” the club said in a statement.

The final vote breakdown was Democrats 192-0, Republicans 162-67

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I guess it is this kind of stuff that is weird...the article states the Club for Growth urged it members to vote no. Maybe it is kind of a chicken v egg questions, but does an organization make the people, or do the people/members make the organization?

I am assuming the vast majority of the "members" being referred are of the Republican Party. If that is true and 167 voted 'Yeah' and let's assume another 30-40 GOP Senators do the same, what exactly is the disconnect?

The article said the Club for Growth urged it's members...so it begs the question, 'who exactly represents the "Club for Growth" if it is not the Members it is urging to vote a particular way?

Same basic premise as the "NRA" vs "members of the NRA".

I mean, if 200+ GOP members of Congress vote 'yes' to this funding, which group is correct, the (I am assuming) 'leadership' of the Club for Growth or the "members" who did not listen to the self-proclaimed, sound wisdom of the Club for Growth?

Wasn't it President Obama who promised any bill that contained "pork", money that was not strictly for the actual disaster relief, and also publish the names of the Senators or Representatives that added "pork" to the bill? So I would expect the President to veto the Senate approved bill anyway if it was passed as is.

For all of you on the left that is complaining about the House, did any of you actually read the bill and see what "pork" was actually added by the Senate? I, for one, am glad the House is doing it's job, by trying to take all the "pork" out of the Sandy relief bill.

Feisty,

They are all beholden to special internet groups. Perfect example, 50 temporary tax breaks, extended for another year thanks to the fiscal crisis , in the amount of $76 billion.

Joe in Albany

Expose the cockroaches who are beholden to special interest groups... NOW!

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It's hard for me to believe I'm actually in agreement with the Nasty DumbFux.

I also want to know whose special interest lobbyist asses the Dem Senators were French-kissing when they larded up this "disaster relief" bill with lots of unrelated pork spending!!!

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For the record, I haven't seen the Senate version, but with that said, are you making the statement about 'pork' from a position of knowledge that 100% of that pork is coming from the request of only Democratic Senators or are you making a sweeping accusation?

Feisty---the nerve of those people in NJ and NY to need asssistance. They are a bunch of freeloaders, looking for a handout. My Representative is a Republican (sad to say) but I'm glad that he did not vote against this relief act.

Steeler Fan - Typical left wing talking points, blame the Republican controlled House. I believe it was the Democratic controlled Senate that added all the PORK in the relief bill. But then I guess you are for all the extra money going to states that weren't even effected by the storm.

I would think you would be happy that the House is at least trying to cut out the Senate "pork" and are only voting for money to the effected states, NY, NJ & Conn. If you can tell why there should be emergency money for fisheries in AK, WA and MISS. and other unrelated projects, you might have a good argument.

BTW, maybe be can get First Read to publish the names of the Senators that added all the "pork" to the Senate bill.

While I tend to agree with the Club for Growth on the following, “Congress should not allow the federal government to be involved in the flood insurance industry in the first place, let alone expand the national flood insurance program's authority,” no insurance company would dare take this one due to the tremendous risk involved in issuing flood insurance, so hence there would not be any insurance.

But I do find it amazing that most of the people who would be eligible to purchase flood insurance have homes on or near the water where the prices are much higher, meaning they are probably the ones who's taxes just went up. I guess that is why the need the money from flood insurance.

While I agree with sfcret on the "pork" loaded into the bill being a bad thing, It's been 10 weeks since this disaster happened. Shame on any Congressman that stuck non essential crap to this bill.

At least they will finally get the help they needed months ago.

sfcret

Steeler Fan - Typical left wing talking points, blame the Republican controlled House. I believe it was the Democratic controlled Senate that added all the PORK in the relief bill. But then I guess you are for all the extra money going to states that weren't even effected by the storm.

I would think you would be happy that the House is at least trying to cut out the Senate "pork" and are only voting for money to the effected states, NY, NJ & Conn. If you can tell why there should be emergency money for fisheries in AK, WA and MISS. and other unrelated projects, you might have a good argument.

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I guess I would need a little clarification there sfcret. I didn't recall it being reported that Leader Cantor, nor Speaker Boehner not wanting to bring the bill to a vote 'because the Senate loaded it up with pork spending'. "Waiting" was a politically calculated move by the Speaker, not because of 'pork'.

It doesn't matter what the Senate sent over...amend it to the high hills, vote and send it back. For that matter, why didn't the House have it's own Sandy Relief legislation and pass it? What exactly was stopping them from passing a clean relief bill for the amount they thought was appropriate?

Am I missing some Constitutional mandate declaring disaster relief legislation needs to originate in the Senate?

But $60B worth of PORK was added to the last cliffy bill passed recently. Imagine how that money could have aided the states affected by the Huricane rather than the special interest groups in the bill, to include Pelosi's husband's business in American Samoa.

Let's see just who introduced those trailers, from which party and why.

The largest US corporation, Big Government, again takes care of those who support them for re-election vs. working for the good of all.

Hi Feisty,

I see the totals link attached to this story.

The final vote breakdown was Democrats 192-0, Republicans 162-67.

Paul Ryan, the Losing Voucher, is among those who voted 'NO'.

Here's the roll call with the ayes and nays:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll007.xml

Courtesy of comment #3.1

What a loser Ryan is.

Who added all the PORK in the relief bill? Can we get a list of names?

From Forbes:

Governor of New Jersey at a town hall in Hillsborough, NJ 3/2/11 (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

As Northeastern Democrats and Republicans lined up to bash Speaker John Boehner's insensitivity to the suffering of his fellow, storm battered Americans—not to mention a thorough tongue lashing from New Jersey's Republican Governor Chris Christie, delivered as only Chris Christie can do— Republicans from other parts of the nation rose to the defense of the beleaguered Speaker, pointing out that Boehner was correct to not ask House Republicans to support a Senate bill so laden with pork as to cause even the most moderate House Republican to adopt a kosher diet.

However, as it turns out, the pork portions of the Senate bill were not earmarked to benefit Democratic members of the upper chamber of Congress. And you may be quite surprised to discover where that money is actually headed once the rich Senate legislation is passed by the House.

A review of the mark-up of the Senate bill reveals that all that extra, non-Sandy related cash is actually set to provide billions for "storm events that occurred in 2012 along the Gulf Coast and Atlantic Coast within the boundaries of the North Atlantic and Mississippi Valley divisions of the Corps that were affected by Hurricanes Sandy and Isaac."

Why, you might ask, would the Senate be packing billions of taxpayer dollars for these areas of the country that are nowhere near the devastation brought about by superstorm Sandy into a bill designed to bring relief to those suffering from the storm that ripped the northeastern part of the nation?

The answer can be found in a quick review of the states that are set to benefit from the Senate's extra-special benevolence—states including Alabama, Mississippi, Texas and Louisiana.

What, you may ask, do these states far from New York and New Jersey have in common?

Each is not only a red state, but each of these states are represented by two Republican senators—with the exception of Louisiana with its one GOP senator.

And what happens when you buy off seven Republican senators with a package of goodies under the guise of storm relief supposedly meant to benefit two blue states?

My! My! It appears the "pork" is benefiting those pesky little red states - put there by Republicans! Let's see the righties whine now!

You can go to the Forbes article and see the actual "mark up" of the relief bill!

Whoops ... hey Seeking ... you beat me to it

The Pork? ... to Red-State tummies.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/01/03/pork-holding-up-senate-sandy-relief-bill-funneled-into-the-troughs-of-gop-deficit-hawks-you-betcha/

Check-Mate, Seeking!

OUCH! That one is going to leave a mark!

I smell right wing bacon burning as we speak... lol

Time to sit back and watch their pathetic attempt to spin "Forbes" as some kind of librul rag! ;o)))

Allen in Omaha also brought up some good points! Thanks!

Interesting article in Forbes about the 'mark ups' in the Senate bill and who they belong to.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/01/03/pork-holding-up-senate-sandy-relief-bill-funneled-into-the-troughs-of-gop-deficit-hawks-you-betcha/

Portion of the article:

Why, you might ask, would the Senate be packing billions of taxpayer dollars for these areas of the country that are nowhere near the devastation brought about by superstorm Sandy into a bill designed to bring relief to those suffering from the storm that ripped the northeastern part of the nation?

The answer can be found in a quick review of the states that are set to benefit from the Senate’s extra-special benevolence—states including Alabama, Mississippi, Texas and Louisiana.

What, you may ask, do these states far from New York and New Jersey have in common?

Each is not only a red state, but each of these states are represented by two Republican senators—with the exception of Louisiana with its one GOP senator.

And what happens when you buy off seven Republican senators with a package of goodies under the guise of storm relief supposedly meant to benefit two blue states?

You get yourself a filibuster proof piece of legislation.

Nice one Seeking! As I said before, SHAME upon ANY Congressman that would add Pork to a bill meant to help disaster victims!

publish the names of the Senators that added all the "pork" to the Senate bill.

Perhaps sfcret could explain to us what "pork" is in the disaster relief Senate bill that causes his serious case of diarrhetic diatribe.

Expose the cockroaches who are beholden to special interest groups... NOW!

And it was the Progressives who added the trailers in the cliffy thing to pay back their supporters! Those Hollywood types came out in liberal droves and were awarded for aiding the "Angry Black Man" in the White House. Along with America Samoa and the Pelosi interests.

How about some reporting on the Pork in the bill there FR Obama Cheerleaders? List names and amounts.

Pigotry.......

Now we should look back at the voting history of these 67 tightwads to see what other disaster relief bills they voted FOR.

The "Club for Growth" is simply a tool of the corporatocracy meant to neuter the only organization capable of controlling them (our federal government). It is a fascist facilitator.

Feisty - "Ouch - that one is going to leave a mark!" Nah - you know the right wingers on this site. They'll find a way to lie their way out of it having anything to do with the Republican party! SOMEHOW they'll make it President Obama's fault!

What do you mean? Super Storm Sandy was Obama's fault wasn't it? LOL!

What do you mean? Super Storm Sandy was Obama's fault wasn't it? LOL

Fuzzy,

Right along with water being wet... LOL

Nice job Seeking, BCWC & Allen ...

Looks like the one of our most predictible is already changing the subject . . . .

1totallyunfunnyanything ...

Those Hollywood types came out in liberal droves and were awarded for aiding the "Angry Black Man" in the White House

I'm not sure how the credits for filming in the US were made part of the bill and how that is attributable to the Democrats but I can pretty much guarantee the NASCAR crap was sponsored by the totally RED Southern States!

Well then Boehner did the right thing by not allowing the vote.

The pignorance of these GOPigs who voted against the disaster relief -

Paul Ryan - a con pig - revealed his true color - by voting against it. These RepubliCONs are the true disaster.

SeekingSanity: Look up! Post 1.25.

Layton - OMG, you actually READ neverbeenfunnygirls post? She's been on ignore for me for a while. Doesn't surprise me she would totally change the subject and lie as well. She NEVER will admit Republicans do anything wrong - she's always wearing blinders. Knowledge is not a word she recognizes!

What's a "cliffy thing"?

“Congress should not allow the federal government to be involved in the flood insurance industry in the first place, let alone expand the national flood insurance program's authority,” the club said in a statement.

It's sad that a statement like this get lost in an aid bill. It IS ridiculous for the taxpayer to encourage and subsidize people to build homes in flood-prone areas. And remember it is not usually middle-class people who can afford this ocean front property. Usually the owners are extremely wealthy.

Exito - I have that one on ignore but I saw what Layton quoted from the ignorantandneverfunny one. Not at all surprising. It's pretty pathetic, isn't it???

Alan - the home owners in one of the hardes hit areas in NJ were firemen and police - hardly the extremely wealthy. They had built homes there many years ago and built the entire area up. The stereotype you present is not even remotely true for the vast majority of homes hit by Sandy.

It IS ridiculous for the taxpayer to encourage and subsidize people to build homes in flood-prone areas.

Are you seriously advocating 90% of the population move?

Alright ... here's all I could find on the bill that was voted on today ... and I'm in total agreement that while somethings are not Sandy-related, there are portions of the bill that are assisting other disasters . . .

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/01/04/house-set-to-vote-on-partial-sandy-relief-bill

We all need to remember this is just the beginning.

By the way, for all of you Harry Reid haters - and you know who you are, I'd suggest you view the video below. The man does a lot for this country and works well with the Senate . . .

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/03/1175907/-Lawrence-O-Donnell-Segment-about-what-Harry-Reid-just-did#

Are you seriously advocating 90% of the population move?

Red,

Maybe it's time to head for dem dare hills? LOL

It's about time. Boehner's House could have passed this weeks ago; the House could have passed the Senate bill weeks ago or at least amended it and sent it for reconciliation. Now, the Senate has to start over. I've never seen any majority party, or a House Speaker, so completely inept at the job of governing they were elected to do. I'm with Feisty, name the names of these NAY voters. List their names in big, bold, capital letters.

And these conservatives dare to call themselves Christians! They're the first ones with their hands out when disaster strikes their own districts and states but have the audacity to tell NJ and NY "NO". Club for Growth is part of the reason the GOP is fractured and in disarray as well as completely out of touch with mainstream America. It's the Club's purification process--get rid of all republicans who dares think for themselves, dares vote for their country or compromise for the greater good.

I don't always agree with GOPer Peter King but he is absolutely right, New York and New Jersey should not give a dime to the GOP, the RNC or any republican with their hands out. I'll go one step further, the next time these teabagging, selfish idiots ask their fellow legislators in Congress for money for their states, they need to be told "NAY".

Now, I really don't mean this because I have compassion but it makes me want to tell democrats or any GOPers representing blue states that the next time the Gulf Coast or any other Red state gets hit with a disaster, let them fix it on their own. Maybe then these nutjobs will understand what it means to be the United States of America because they sure as heck don't understand that simple concept.

Joe in Albany

I also want to know whose special interest lobbyist asses the Dem Senators were French-kissing when they larded up this "disaster relief" bill with lots of unrelated pork spending!!!

Hey joe! Mitch McConnell himself added $20 billion in subsidies for the wealthy dairy farmers. And another Repub gave $46 million to NASCAR! All in the fiscal cliff bill.

The Repubs love to spend, too. The only difference between the two parties is where to get the money from.

Alan, NJ.......you said:

Quote.....It IS ridiculous for the taxpayer to encourage and subsidize people to build homes in flood-prone areas. And remember it is not usually middle-class people who can afford this ocean front property.......EndQuote

Are you suggesting that every port city in our nation should be left to fend for themselves? There are a LOT of folks (i.e. Staten Island) who are NOT wealthy and who live in vulnerable areas for VERY different reasons than summer vacations.

What do you suppose would happen to our (particularly international) trade if everyone (individuals and businesses) in that economic chain felt compelled to relocate to NON "flood-prone" areas?

Also, exactly when do you propose to implement your "tough love" for these areas? Will it be at a time when they are not affected by a natural disaster? Or will it be when they are already suffering from one? We know the answer.

Here follows the list of 67 nays along with the states they represent. Many of these states have their own share of disasters. Do you suppose these folks will be so parsimonious when disaster hits their own states (as it will)?

Amash (Michigan)

Barr (Kentucky or Georgia ?)

Benishek (Michigan)

Bentivolio (Michigan)

Blackburn (TN)

Bridenstine (OK)

Brooks (AL)

Broun (GA)

Chabot (OH)

Collins (GA)

Conaway (TX)

Cotton (Arkansas)

Daines (Montana)

DeSantis (FL)

DesJarlais (TN)

Duffy (Wisconsin)

Duncan (SC)

Duncan (TN)

Fincher (TN)

Fleming (Louisiana)

Flores (TX)

Foxx (North Carolina)

Franks (AZ)

Gohmert (Texas)

Goodlatte (Virginia)

Gosar (AZ)

Gowdy (SC)

Graves (GA)

Graves (MO)

Harris (Maryland ?)

Holding (NC)

Hudson (NC)

Huelskamp (Kansas)

Hultgren (Illinois)

Jenkins (Kansas)

Jordan (Ohio ?)

Lamborn (Colorado)

Marchant (TX)

Massie (Kentucky)

McClintock (California)

Meadows (NC)

Mullin (Indiana)

Mulvaney (SC)

Neugebauer (TX)

Palazzo (Nevada)

Pearce (New Mexico)

Perry (MA)

Petri (Wisconsin)

Pompeo (Kansas)

Price (GA)

Roe (TN)

Rokita (Indiana)

Rothfus (Pennsylvania)

Royce (California)

Ryan (WI)

Salmon (Arizona)

Schweikert (Arizona)

Sensenbrenner (Wisconsin)

Stutzman (Indiana)

Thornberry (TX)

Weber (TX)

Wenstrup (OH)

Williams (TX)

Wilson (SC)

Woodall (GA)

Yoder (Kansas)

Yoho (FL)

SeekingSanity-

My! My! It appears the "pork" is benefiting those pesky little red states - put there by Republicans! Let's see the righties whine now!

Wow, didn't see that coming.

LOL.

Salud

Great points in the Forbes article about how many people in D.C. are there for the good of a few at the expense of the masses.

But it is not just members of the GOP protecting special interests. The democrats as just as guilty. here is an excerpt from an article on Huffpost regarding the Fiscal Cliff PORK:

U.S. financial institutions argue that the active-financing exemption is necessary for them to compete in overseas markets with foreign banks that carry a lower tax burden. The loophole was repealed in the Tax Reform Act of 1986, but was reinstated in 1997 as a temporary measure after fierce lobbying by multinational corporations.

The exemption belongs to a small group of boutique corporate tax loopholes that are worth a lot of money to a relative handful of corporations. It even has its own lobbying coalition, the Active Finance Working Group, which serves as a prime example of how important the 20 or so companies that benefit from the exemption consider it. Founded in 2005, the group was quiet during the last few years of the Bush administration, but roared to life again in 2009.

That year, the coalition retained the services of former top Democratic congressional aide-turned-lobbyist Steve Elmendorf, whose firm, Elmendorf Ryan, has earned more than $1.2 million in lobbying fees from the working group in the past four years. Lobbying disclosure reports reveal that the coalition was housed in the same office as Elmendorf Ryan and that the coalition's lobbyists had just one task: protect the active-financing exemption.

In Elmendorf's firm, the Active Finance Working Group has a top-flight team: All eight of the Elmendorf Ryan lobbyists working on the issue in late 2012 were former congressional staffers, most with ties to powerful lawmakers, including to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.).

According to Citizens for Tax Justice, the financial services industry paid an average effective tax rate of 15.5 percent from 2008 to 2010, far lower than that of most other industries.

As part of the fiscal cliff deal, Congress also extended another little-known tax break that benefits large multinationals selling products through overseas affiliates. This "pass-through" exemption permits a U.S.-based company to set up a new corporation in a tax haven like the Cayman Islands and sell it a patent owned by the U.S. parent company. Royalties on overseas licensing of that patent would then route to the tax-sheltered firm, instead of the U.S. parent company. The Joint Committee on Taxation says the two-year cost of extending this shelter is $1.5 billion.

Let's face facts folks. D.C. is packed with elected politicians who will say one thing and do another. There are far to many politicians on both sides of the aisle that will sell us down the road if it benefits them.

Alan, NJ - Obviously no single insurance company even this one backed by the government can pay all claims at any one time. Similar to a bank if everyone tried to withdraw all their funds. I see no problem in the bill to augment the funding to allow them to borrow and pay off the insurance holders.

As an architect, one where I try to be ecologically and sustainable sound in my design, I have no say in where an owner builds his house. Your post, I don't understand. Is it right to punish those who have paid flood insurance? Yes the mistake was made long ago when municipalities allowed building in these flood plains but you can't punish the homeowners after the fact. Now you do have a point if you meant to say that there should be more restrictions on what type of buildings and how close they can be to the ocean front. Lest we kill off all manner of tourism perhaps it is best to grant waivers to business owners, shop keepers, restaurants - but single, multi family housing sorry no more building so close to the beach. Get some binoculars or make sure if you build NEW houses there it there it is with a non governmentally backed insurance.

Do you think 90% of the population should move?

They might have to eventually as I see no effort to stop Global climate change. We as a people need to stop being reactive and becoming more proactive. No reason why restricting new home construction near the beach can be part of a solution.

@SS

Yeah because beach front property from Point Pleasant through Seaside Park is sooooooooo cheap.

You own a house in Mantoloking? How about Rumson or Lavalette?

Mantoloking

The Census Bureau's 2006-2010 American Community Survey showed that (in 2010 inflation-adjusted dollars) median household income was $151,667 (with a margin of error of +/- $66,768) and the median family income was $200,833 (+/- $146,466). Males had a median income of $98,333 (+/- $210,103) versus $42,917 (+/- $32,621) for females. The per capita income for the borough was $97,938 (+/- $40,847). About 0.0% of families and 0.0% of the population were below the poverty line, including 0.0% of those under age 18 and 0.0% of those age 65 or over.^[26]

Rumson

The Census Bureau's 2006-2010 American Community Survey showed that (in 2010 inflation-adjusted dollars) median household income was $134,281 (with a margin of error of +/- $18,300) and the median family income was $157,188 (+/- $28,308). Males had a median income of $140,885 (+/- $25,278) versus $56,071 (+/- $16,014) for females. The per capita income for the borough was $79,388 (+/- $10,219). About 3.8% of families and 4.1% of the population were below the poverty line, including 6.1% of those under age 18 and 0.0% of those age 65 or over.^[26]

Lavalette

The Census Bureau's 2006-2010American Community Survey showed that (in 2010 inflation-adjusted dollars) median household income was $60,296 (with a margin of error of +/- $4,961) and the median family income was $76,797 (+/- $16,601). Males had a median income of $48,810 (+/- $40,510) versus $39,643 (+/- $14,630) for females. The per capita income for the borough was $39,293 (+/- $5,500). About 4.7% of families and 7.3% of the population were below the poverty line, including 0.0% of those under age 18 and 11.3% of those age 65 or over.^[27]

But that's OK because only police and firemen live here.

I was making a point about Flood Insurance in general not about the merits of this particular bill.

@Dog

Yes the mistake was made long ago when municipalities allowed building in these flood plains but you can't punish the homeowners after the fact. Now you do have a point if you meant to say that there should be more restrictions on what type of buildings and how close they can be to the ocean front. Lest we kill off all manner of tourism perhaps it is best to grant waivers to business owners, shop keepers, restaurants - but single, multi family housing sorry no more building so close to the beach.

Again, this is how to have a sensible discussion.

whew! only 2 from Florida! Thank Goodness!

Quite clearly insane, Seeking Sanity: You posted that crappola from Forbes as if it was a “news story” when, in fact it was an op-ed hatchet job by a lefty liberal BS artist named Rick Ungar. In fact, he is called “The Token Lefty” on Forbes website. Below is his bio noting his background is in “creative writing”. No sh!t!!!!!

SS: LMFAO@U!!!!!!

Richard "Rick" Ungar (born in Youngstown, Ohio in 1950) is a contributor to Forbes.com and the Washington Monthly where he writes on American health care policy and politics. He additionally appears weekly as the liberal voice of the "Forbes on Fox" television show and as a political pundit on other television and radio programs. Ungar moved into the world of journalism after a long career as a creative writer and executive producer in television, particularly in the world animation industry. His first creation, Biker Mice From Mars, which began its first run in the United States and the United Kingdom in 1993, became one of the most successful animated television programs of its time, spinning off some 400 licensed products throughout the world.^[1][2]

Joe in Albany - your foolishness has done you in again. Doesn't matter who wrote the piece - it shows the actuall bill - marked up and states the facts. You have no argument against the facts - just the writer! Typical idiotcy we expect from you Joe. As usual, you show there is no sanity to be found from any Republican!

Alan - you made a blanket statement which I countered. No surprise you don't like the truth. You never do!

@Ian

Are you suggesting that every port city in our nation should be left to fend for themselves? There are a LOT of folks (i.e. Staten Island) who are NOT wealthy and who live in vulnerable areas for VERY different reasons than summer vacations.

Maybe port cities should be treated differently than residential housing. Again, I am not questioning the merits of this bill. I am simply stating that Federal Flood insurance encourages development in areas that are prone to disasters and I don't think the federal government should be back stopping this. This is a looking forward discussion not punishing past actions.

Sooooooo Joe,

Was he lying? Did Forbes print a falsely concocted story? If so, can you tell us who REALLY got the pork?

Alan - you made a blanket statement which I countered. No surprise you don't like the truth. You never do!

A statement that I have also backed up and clarified

You have no argument against the facts - just the writer!

When they have lost their ass in the debate, the only thing remaining is to attack the messenger, not the message!

As demonstrated they NEVER fail to be predictable! LMAO@TheIdiotfromAlbany

*yawn*

Feisty - Joe never disappoints. And Alan - another little rightie who has to whine and pout!

Ooooooh - if you and hubby get a chance, go see Million Dollar Quartet in Chicago! It is SOOOO good!

Joe in Albany - your foolishness has done you in again. Doesn't matter who wrote the piece - it shows the actuall bill - marked up and states the facts. You have no argument against the facts - just the writer!

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SS: The Forbes website op-ed hatchet jog by a lefty liberal blogger (not a news reporter) shows THREE cherry-picked pages of the bill that supports the lefty liberal bloggers cherry-picked "facts".

Sucks to be you.

Moron.

Alan, NJ - This is a looking forward discussion not punishing past actions.

Agreed. Let us all note that each of us can mistake or misconstrue another's post. I admit I did it with Alan's original post.

By the way never responded on your discussions on the Sequester. You mentioned changes to entitlements etc. However, as I'm sure you know the sequester does not affect SS, medicare or medicaid. It deals primarily with 1/2 of Defense cuts and 1/2 of non defense cuts Safety and welfare, regulations, education. In addition to the social service cuts, the sequester will drastically cut into Home land security (FEMA). IF and when the sequester cuts are implemented it might very well ensure that we will have more of these emergency bills due to shortage in FEMA funding. Just a thought.

Oh Joe - the moron here is you and it is obvious everyone knows it. Now continue - you just make yourself look more foolish with each post!

Maybe it's time to head for dem dare hills? LOL

Feisty - Why not - who needs all those frickin' trees anyhow? And sorry, but these comments on the parable of building your house on a rock are hysterical.

The story above is from the Matthew 7:24-27 where the Bible says:

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

As time passed a huge storm broke upon the houses of these men. After much rain, a flood swept through the valley and the man's house that was built on the sand was swept away. But the second man who had built on the rocky hill was safe. No matter how hard it rained or how fierce the floods were his house remained solid and immovable.

We certainly saw this bible lesson demonstrated last week. A hurricane named Sandy certainly caused the floods to come up and destroy the houses built on the sand. God have mercy.
http://www.onlythebible.com/Bible-Gems/wise-man-built-on-the-rock.html

Since the lefty liberals seem to like cherry-picked “facts”, here’s a few more for you:

Senate’s Hurricane Sandy ‘Emergency Relief’ Bill: Porkfest 2012

DEMOCRATS’ BILL CONTAINS $21 BILLION IN UNRELATED SPENDING

$150 million for Alaskan fisheries, $2 million to the Smithsonian to repair roofs and $8 million to Homeland Security and the Justice Department to buy cars. And that’s chump change compared to the rest.

The old Klansman, Robert Byrd, who was famous for adding West Virginia pork to senate bills, would be proud: The Democrats’ Hurricane Sandy “emergency relief” bill contains more than $21 billion in spending that has nothing to do with Sandy – let alone the devastated areas of New York or New Jersey. Yep, Harry Reid’s Porkfest 2012 does the late senator proud indeed.

Not only does the bill include hundreds of millions of dollars of new unrelated spending requests, it also contains multiple provisions that had previously been rejected or not yet considered by Congress. Included? A measure that alters how the federal government manages areas prone to flooding – a bill that was rejected by the House earlier this year. It gets worse:

• $58.8 million for forest restoration on private land.

$10.78 billion for public transportation, most of which is allocated to future construction and improvements, not disaster relief.

• $33.2 million for eight projects in Nevada – the home state of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, including: $25 million for rural Nevada; $1.5 million for Truckee Meadows; and $725,000 for Tahoe Regional Planning.

• $16.8 million for seven projects in West Virginia, including: $2.5 million for the Greenbrier River Basin; $325,000 for the Parkersburg and Vienna Riverfront Park; and $150,000 for Island Creek at Logan

• $12.9 million for 11 projects in the state of Senate Energy and Water Appropriations Subcommittee Chairman Pete Domenici (R-N.M.), including: $5 million for central New Mexico; $250,000 for Santa Fe; and $180,000 for the Southwest Valley, Albuquerque.

Same ol’ same ol’. Can’t wait to see what they try to tack on to whatever federal legislation is sure to come as a result of the Sandy Hook massacre.

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I have to agree with Alan on the fact that unscrupulous builders here in Florida, have developed sub divisions in river basins. Not to mention the entire coasts of the state.

A lot of folks lost their butts buying these properties.

Come on smart guy, show us what you got? You're supposed to be so superior, surely you can show us what pork is in there and where it goes?

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DumbFux: See the post just above yours in 1.62 where I copied the above quote just before you deleted the content in 1.62.

You also asked in the original 1.62 'Who is the moron now?"

Answer: You are DumbFux. And you always will be.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe in Albany

I also want to know whose special interest lobbyist asses the Dem Senators were French-kissing when they larded up this "disaster relief" bill with lots of unrelated pork spending!!!

Hey Joe! Mitch McConnell himself added $20 billion in subsidies for the wealthy dairy farmers. And another Repub gave $46 million to NASCAR! All in the fiscal cliff bill.

The Repubs love to spend, too. The only difference between the two parties is where to get the money from. Dems want the rich to kick in a little. Repubs want to get it from the little guy.

@SS

Feisty - Joe never disappoints. And Alan - another little rightie who has to whine and pout!

This is the best you come up with. Suck up to the other moron and throw out a couple insults?

Pathetic

Feisty - predictable, right?

Alan, Pathetic? Yes, you are! Bet you and Joe are friends, right???? Or Brothers maybe????

By the way never responded on your discussions on the Sequester. You mentioned changes to entitlements etc. However, as I'm sure you know the sequester does not affect SS, medicare or medicaid. It deals primarily with 1/2 of Defense cuts and 1/2 of non defense cuts Safety and welfare, regulations, education. In addition to the social service cuts, the sequester will drastically cut into Home land security (FEMA). IF and when the sequester cuts are implemented it might very well ensure that we will have more of these emergency bills due to shortage in FEMA funding. Just a thought.

When I read your original post I didn't realize it was on the sequester. To be honest I don't know. I want to cut spending but it does seem as if the sequester is a very blunt instrument. When you have Leon Panetta defend cuts at the Pentagon you know that it not a very focused approached. (On a side note, did you see "Face the Nation" on Sunday? Senator Cohburn says he'll vote against hagel on the grounds he hasn't managed a large organization. Praised Panetta for his management of the DoD). Seems that the other cuts are just as blunt.

Either way if Congress wants to appropriate money (as we saw for the Iraq war) they'll simply go ahead and do it. Budget be damned.

Seeking and others: Some of what Alan post is correct. There should be some discouragement of building mansions on the beach. Environmental reasons aside. There are still a large number of working people living in seaside communities. Look at the sections of NYC hit. I fear this storm will wash those fireman and cops asunder only to be replaced by the rich.

Seeking and others: Some of what Alan post is correct. There should be some discouragement of building mansions on the beach. Environmental reasons aside. There are still a large number of working people living in seaside communities. Look at the sections of NYC hit. I fear this storm will wash those fireman and cops asunder only to be replaced by the rich.

The maximum benefit you can get from Federal Flood Insurance is $350,000, $250,000 on the building and $100,000 for contents. The taxpayers are NOT subsidizing mansions for the wealthy.

You really should get the facts before opeining your mouth.

Feisty - predictable, right?

Seeking,

You can set your watch by these clowns...

This is the best you come up with. Suck up to the other moron and throw out a couple insults?

Stop talking about the Idiot from Albany that way, his little "fee-fees" are very tender and he is off to a rough start here for the New Year already!

Exito - the fire and police families hardly built MANSIONS but they did build an entire town. Let's be serious - this is the first time a hurricane of this magnitude has hit that area in how many years? My guess is they thought they were safe.

Rebuilding there has to be done very carefully - if at all - and the homes should be built to withstand storms of a certain level - as the rebuilding in New Olreans has done.

Joe in Albany - A measure that alters how the federal government manages areas prone to flooding – a bill that was rejected by the House earlier this year.

I chose this because of your list provided it is the only one that is in the billions and not the millions. In some way I get your point, it would be great if their was some sort of line item veto mechanism to scratch wasteful pork out - but...

Is it not reasonable to consider ways to manage areas prone to flooding such that less devestation occurs when floods happen? Does that mean restrictions on building new homes along beach fronts, does that mean to keep sand dune replinishment or protect trees, shrubs/grasses to lessen erosion? While there is unrelated pork, not everything the government does is merely a scheme to waste money.

Specifically talking about the two biggest hurricanes in recent history Katrina and Sandy, what measures can we do other than just rebuild? Are there ways to make large, but by comparison small when talking of hurricane cleanup costs, infrastructure investments to better protect N.O or NYC? Again time to be proactive and not just wait for it to happen again.

admittedly i did not read all of the preceding posts but i am wondering why it took the senate democrat leadership 7 weeks to get this disaster aid bill to the floor during the holidays. since much of it was based on the baucus work from last summer certainly they had an intern that could cut and paste.

why the wait?

Seeking, great job on the so-called "pork" beneficiaries. You, too, BCWC! Very interesting. Logic tells me that these other states need additonal money because they are still recovering from their own disasters. I don't have a problem with that.

The Club for Growth recommended NO because they think the federal government should not be in the "flood insurance" business. The Club needs to educate itself because they missed the years when flood insurance used to be a function of the private insurance industry. But the number of record 100 year floods and hurricanes made it impossible for private insurance companies to keep their heads above water (so to speak) so one by one, private insurance companies got out of the flood insurance business. In the case of floods, the government has made every effort to buy out those properties prone to frequent flooding. This goes back quite a few years but I'm thinking it really came to a head around the time of Hurricane Andrew.

9Ball: Sorry, you are right.

SeekingSanity: Yes improve the building codes. 1962 was a long time ago, and not as devastating.

Don't forget, some of these now flood prone areas did not used to be flood prone; over time, we have gotten smarter about building. It is rare for a Hurricane to hit NYC and the immediate surrounding area head on but Nor'easters are more common. Part of what we're seeing is more violent storms, more violent and destructive weather patterns due to global warming. Whether natural or man-aided, or a combination of both, the warming is real.

I know that the government does buy out flood-prone properties; I've seen it over and over in my area of the state. They are not successful in buying out every property but they do try. Some people, however, refuse; and when they refuse, they no longer qualify for flood insurance.

9Ball: Also most of those mansions are only summer residence. They do not receive.help from FEMA.

I think I will find a cyber bar.

Alan 1.68

When I do watch Sunday news, usually watch MTP until This Week starts. However, after watching Norah O'Donnell question, requestion and not balk when Paul Ryan failed to answer her questions about taxes during election season, maybe I should watch. But I digress...

I support Chuck Hagel a sensible Republican. Think he would be a no nonsense guy. On most things he was pretty non partisan as a DOD needs to be.

The sequester, man it will be tough. Not sure what will happen either. Showing my partisan side, if they do decide to limit the cutting I wouldn't mind to see WIC, health programs etc. win out over defense contracting spending.

Allan - Disaster relief bills can originate in either the House or Senate. The Senate wrote and passed the Sandy relief bill and sent it to the House. The House did their job by making the Senate bill into two separate bills, the one they just approved for 9.7 billion and the rest to be voted on on Jan 15th. Hopefully the House will have removed all of the Pork by then.

There seems to be a lot of finger pointing by both sides, personally I don't give a damn what party put the "pork" in the bill it should all be removed. Both parties have loaded the Senate bill with special "pork" that has nothing to do with the actual States involved in Sandy.

I support Chuck Hagel a sensible Republican. Think he would be a no nonsense guy. On most things he was pretty non partisan as a DOD needs to be.

Don't disagree, in fact I have no idea what he'll be like. What was interesting was that Cohburn was questioning his management experience.

However, after watching Norah O'Donnell question, requestion and not balk when Paul Ryan failed to answer her questions about taxes during election season, maybe I should watch. But I digress...

..and don't forget Norah O'Donnell is way hot

..and don't forget Norah O'Donnell is way hot

YES you are correct, sir!

Weber out of TX, replaces Paul....go figure!....folks in Galveston, TX should not expect any help from the feds if unfortunately an ill and dangerous wind blows their way.

Porkalicious with crawfish marinated in BP oil:

Making movies in America is big money, and Congress is doing its best to ensure the movie industry doesn't pack up and leave. Television and movie makers can continue to gross $15 million in breaks for filming in the U.S., $20 million for filming in low-income areas, an incentive for Hollywood that costs the country about $430 billion to maintain.

But, Louisiana...now with filming of A&E Duck Dynasty..Historys Swamp People...AMT Bayou Billionaires and The Governors Wife......it's a bonanza for the low-income low-information state.

@Speeking Insanity, Once again, you have a CONVENIENT way of ignoring reality that you mix nicely with your strong tendency to LIE whenever you feel necessary !

If your basic premise is the bill included for the "South" which had nowhere near the destruction of New Jersey-New York, then I suggest you go back and read about the devastation all across the South (particularly in Alabama) where destruction extended for miles and the deaths were in the hundreds. But don't let facts get in the way of an op-ed opinion.

Besides genius, another article on this site today talked about relief for Hollywood to the tune of $430 million as part of the fiscal-cliff deal ! Hollywood is certainly not hurting for dough but they SUPPORTED Obama so maybe that's why the cash went their way.

TO: T.Neville who wrote:

"... Hey people, Obama is strictly helping out blue states. The rest of us are on our own ..."

I don't think so, but there's no mistake that George "Curveball" Bush let his oil company friends at Enron run California into the ground just because we're a "Blue State".

Enron robbed California so bad we're still paying for it, not to mention the "rolling blackouts" going on in LA.

Jeff Skilling is till doing time in prison for bilking California. Kenneth Lay faked his own death and is living on some exotic island earning 20%.

May I respectfully suggest that those 67 be rounded up, herded onto big yellow buses, and dropped off in New York and New Jersey to live with the Sandy-affected residents for a week or two? Should be a requirement for anyone voting "no" in any disaster relief to be required to spend actual face time with the victims, filling out forms, picking through the muck, hauling away trash - in other words, seeing (and smelling) disaster first-hand.

"The bill needed 281 votes, or a two-thirds majority to pass."

That's not true- a simple majority would have been sufficient. A two-thirds majority would only have been needed if Obama vetoed it.

I find it interesting that Bush was WIDELY criticized in the media for his 'slow response' and FEMA's failure to quickly provide help for Hurricane Katrina, even though emergency funding was signed by Bush only 4 days after the Hurricane, but no criticism of Obama when he hasn't provided funding for Hurricane Sandy after more than 60 days, and FEMA is just as inefficient today as it was under Bush.

Bush was also castigated by the media for his 'flyover' of Katrina damage, and called 'callous' for not visiting in person, while the press ignored the fact that disaster officials pleaded with Bush NOT to make a personal visit at that time because it would divert emergency resources from the ongoing relief efforts when they were still rescuing people.

Media BIAS, anyone?

sfcret "If you can tell why there should be emergency money for fisheries in AK, WA and MISS. and other unrelated projects, you might have a good argument."

The Democrats are applying the policy of Obama's former Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, who said;

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste."

A quote from Obama in 2009 "Obama last week praised the $787 billion stimulus package signed into law, telling the nation, "I'm proud that we passed a recovery plan free of earmarks, and I want to pass a budget next year that ensures that each dollar we spend reflects only our most important national priorities."............."There was just a roar of laughter -- because there were earmarks," said Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Missouri."

In March 2006, then-Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., found the notion of raising the debt ceiling quite distasteful - Here's a quote;

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure,” he said. “It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”

He did. It passed narrowly – by a vote of 52-48.

How times have 'changed'. lol

Here's a link;
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/04/obama-2006-vs-obama-january-2011-vs-obama-april-2011-on-the-debt-ceiling/

The "pork" (what there was of it) was in the original $60 billion bill and was the excuse used by the GOP not to even allow a vote. This second bill simply provides the money for the flood insurance program to pay claims. This is not "aid" ... it is simply the government living up to its part of a contractual arrangement. I think it is appalling that so many members of the Republican Party believe that the govenment doesn't need to honor its debts and are saying to their fellow citizens, "screw you".

Laj - as much as I totally understand where you are coming from, the actual people in the states of those who voted NO shouldn't have to pay for the ignorance of their respresentatives. They SHOULD however, have the names of those who voted no plastered in BIG BOLD LETTERS across billboards in their states so people know to vote against them next time!

Identify those 67 conservative Republicans who voted 'NO', and target them for defeat in November 2014.

Let's Organize grassroots campaigns.

Climate Change....The Gulf of Mexico may be very warm this summer.

Hurricanes loving the coastal states of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida.........then driving north up the Southeastern coast line.

Beware, those who voted 'NO'......Payback is nasty!

Laj & chilled: No! Do not target the people of those states. Two wrongs do not equal a right(Mom). Those 67 thugs that is a different story.

Exito I agree

Laj & chilled: No! Do not target the people of those states. Two wrongs do not equal a right(Mom). Those 67 thugs that is a different story.

The folk who sent the NO voters to congress need to pay attention.

Laj Chester, CT

I want to know where those 67 morons live

once they post it, you'll be able to find names here:

http://www.house.gov/legislative/

I find it very interesting that any member of the House can't realize that a natural disaster could come there way at any time. Would they want any FEMA money for their home state?

Having lived in Florida most of my life, the prospect of a major hurrricane hitting our state again, is only a matter of time.

http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.aspx

posted:

---- NAYS 67 ---

Amash
Barr
Benishek
Bentivolio
Blackburn
Bridenstine
Brooks (AL)
Broun (GA)
Chabot
Collins (GA)
Conaway
Cotton
Daines
DeSantis
DesJarlais
Duffy
Duncan (SC)
Duncan (TN)
Fincher
Fleming
Flores
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Gohmert
Goodlatte
Gosar
Gowdy
Graves (GA)
Graves (MO)
Harris
Holding
Hudson
Huelskamp
Hultgren
Jenkins
Jordan
Lamborn
Marchant
Massie
McClintock
Meadows
Mullin
Mulvaney
Neugebauer
Palazzo
Pearce

Perry
Petri
Pompeo
Price (GA)
Roe (TN)
Rokita
Rothfus
Royce
Ryan (WI)
Salmon
Schweikert
Sensenbrenner
Stutzman
Thornberry
Weber (TX)

Wenstrup
Williams
Wilson (SC)
Woodall
Yoder
Yoho

Hey, Laj Chester, CT,

I want to know where those 67 morons live so the next time THEIR state gets nailed by a natural disaster they can be ignored, too.

Please see post #3.1 for all the info you wanted.

Pigotry

Please see post #3.1 for all the info you wanted.

I guess if I scrolled down a few posts, I wold have seen the link ;)

Happy New Year!

Oh, C'mon L. Chester of CT. You guys don't see near the hurricanes that they do down along the Gulf Coast and Florida. We don't hear as many complaints from them and they've been through 10 times more. Where was the President when this was all happening? Why wasn't he being a LEADER and pushing both houses of Congress to get this done BEFORE Christmas? If he was a true LEADER, he would have kept his promise to G. Christie and pushed for this.

I guess the Islands were calling him and well, it's Christmas, the people can wait. Oh yeah, I had to work over Christmas...

Think - you don't actually have the capacity to think, do you? My God, I'm sure you blame the hurricane on President Obama too, don't you? Don't you ever get tired of hating a man who is so good when you know the Republican party is all a joke???

Bcat, Seeking, Allen - Good backup to learn about where the pork came from. Funny I don't see too many responses from the the GOP side. Looks like their talking point was not entirely true.

For those interested to see the Senators who added port look at the Forbes article that was provided.

We need to document this list and remember these people when disaster hits their districts and simply say, sorry we don't have the money to help you so you are on your own. What goes around comes around.

My representative, Paul Gosar, is on the nay list. I live in a gerrymandered district, and I think I'm only one of 3 democrats who live here! Can we have more democrats move in? Nice area. Please come! I'm suffering from this lack of companionship with like minds! BTW: When I call Gosar's office his staff is rude to me. Can you imagine that?

Please do not borrow the money from China.

The $60.4 Billion Super Storm Sandy Aid package can be paid for with $41.6 Billion funded in 2013 and $18.8 Billion funded in 2014.

A 2013 component, $41.6 Billion, could include funds from reduced DOD Afghanistan War spending ($15
Billion) and funds from a DOD Nuclear Program spending program ($8.5 Billion), reduced State Dept. Foreign Aid spending ($16.1 Billion), reduced United Nations spending ($1.6 Billion), and reduced DOE spending ($0.4 Billion).

A 2014 component, $18.8 Billion can be determined in October.

It is important to get the money where it needs to go in days, not months and years as with Katrina Aid.

I would guess we move everybody away from the coast and build settlements in safe places like valleys, oops mud slides. Hills? Up in the jet steam for storms. What about earth quakes, isn't any place safe in the country and Alaska is fixing to become a lot smaller or maybe disappear altogether. Hawaii, oops there is that water thing again and they have volcano's, and some pretty rockin' pineapple. 300 million people standing on one square foot that is safe, oh my god, tornado's. Can anyone help me here, I want to go where its safe?

Chubette (who is now gone thanks to Sally & Tyler's efforts ...)

Judy the liberals are procreating as fast as they can

Riddle me this then oh knowledgeable one, how come the RED states have the largest population growth as well as the biggest takers of welfare???? Could it be .... they procreate a little MORE as they don't have JOBS to go to???? (Thought I'd throw your own crap back in your face!)

We face a real problem here folks. The far right of the GOP house doesn't care. They have gerrymandered their districts in such a way that.......they don't risk losing their jobs no matter how egregious their voting record is. They simply have to keep voting for no taxes and smaller government and the fools back home will keep sending them back to Washington. I truly don't have an answer that will help the situation. Until enough republican voting districts see our country really going in the dumper.....things won't change. By that time we will have dropped off the map as a world force. Sad.

Domenico - thank you! And, Happy 2013!

Thanks Domenico -You and the rest of the FR crew always do a great job! Best wishes for the New Year to everyone!

Thanks Domenico!

Thanks!

Domenico - Can you now list the names of the Senators that added all the PORK to the Senate bill, or at least list the AMOUNT of PORK by State in the Senate Bill.

Domenico - Can you now list the names of the Senators that added all the PORK to the Senate bill, or at least list the AMOUNT of PORK by State in the Senate Bill.

Well, go figure - Domenico works for sfcret!! And all this time I simply thought sfcret was a lazy, retired, right-wing poster vs. a formidable task master overseeing a major news organization.

I simply thought sfcret was a lazy, retired, right-wing poster

...Not to mention completely incapable of doing even a minimal amount of research by themselves.

Gosh...The nazis at Fox "news" aren't giving their minions the information they are asking for? Quelle surprise...

I am re-posting this challenge to the FR lefty liberals for the third time because I got no credible responses last Thursday and Friday. C'mon FR lefty liberals: Hillary is your favorite for succeeding King Barry the First in 2016, SURELY you can rise to the occasion and list five of her greatest accomplishments as SoS.

Nasty DumbFux??

Bev??

Seeking Stupidity??

Jack-off in Port’s mouth??

Dr. Ron??

BlowJob1??

Outhouse??

Da Rhiod??

Jody, Planet Liberal??

Surely David Wanker can whip up a long-winded and boring 2,000 word essay on the glories of SoS Hillary??

Or MAYBE all this lefty liberal Hillary-worshiping is just mindless Clinton idolatry.

BTW, Betty, if you have a problem with this being re-posted, please go to my website and fill out my complaint form. Scroll down on the right side of the home page and click on Form FU-2.

LMFAO@U FR lefty liberals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I find all this lefty liberal Hillary-worshiping Hillaryous.

Would one of you please list the specific details of her five greatest accomplishments as SoS?

And generalized platitude crappola like "Restoring respect for America" doesn't count. You need to detail specific facts, dates, actions, and impressive results she specifically achieved.

Good Luck!!!!!

BTW, You probably don't want to mention this one:

Note to self: When trying to improve ties with a former Cold War-era foe, check a dictionary.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton learned that lesson the hard way Friday when she presented Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov with a gift bearing an incorrect translation -- one that implied hostility, rather than peacemaking.

Clinton presented Lavrov with a gift-wrapped red button, which said "Reset" in English and "Peregruzka" in Russian. The problem was, "peregruzka" doesn't mean reset. It means overcharged, or overloaded.

And Lavrov called her out on it.

"We worked hard to get the right Russian word. Do you think we got it?" Clinton asked Lavrov.

"You got it wrong," Lavrov said. "This says 'peregruzka,' which means overcharged."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obviously, The Club for Growth is a Malignant Growth on our society!

Just remember, Progress moves at the pace of a hearse

Frankly (and I don't mean Barney Frank), I would be happy if the government stayed completely out of my life. But I'm a realist and realize there is a need for a strong central government, even if I don't agree with many of the policies. As for Global Warming, there are still those (read: Experts) who insist the reasons for Global Warming is not necessarily due to and unprotected environment. Do I know for sure? No, but until ALL the experts get together, then let's be sure. I mean, do we blame the Ice Age on the unprotected environment? What about the Dark Ages? Remember that from your history? It's when civilization dropped back into uncivilized times. There is proof that during this time, there was dropping temperatures and dark days (hence the Dark Ages) which contributed (according to these same experts) to the decline of civilization. Was this cause by the unprotected environment? I doubt it.

Weather comes in cycles and while I agree the Global Warming is faster than what has been recorded in previous history (in one way, through the ice borings from Greenland) it's still speculation that it is being caused by the unprotected environment. And just for an added thought, the environment has been getting better for the past 40 years, beginning in the early 1970's with the passage of the Clean Water Act followed by other environmental laws.

One more thing, China is one of the world's biggest polluters and if we stop them, who will we borrow all the money Congress and our President wants to spend?

What about the Dark Ages? Remember that from your history? It's when civilization dropped back into uncivilized times. There is proof that during this time, there was dropping temperatures and dark days (hence the Dark Ages) which contributed (according to these same experts) to the decline of civilization.

Do you guys actually just make this stuff up off the top of your head?

The Dark Ages refer to the period after the fall of the Western Roman Empire in Europe. The are called the Dark Ages because Christian historians in the 17th century coined the term as a metaphor between the 'light' and the 'dark' prior to the Protestant Reformation and because very few written records of the period exist. Is there any single source you can cite that will support the notion that temperatures were lower during this period or that days were actually physically 'darker?'

Do you guys actually just make this stuff up off the top of your head?

OMG - I'm crying, I'm laughing so hard. One can only suppose from someone who uses the term "Think" in his moniker, the Age of Enlightenment was when the sun starting shining brighter - or perhaps that is the era when oil lamps were invented, making the Dark Ages brighter.

RedDev . .

the Age of Enlightenment

I thought that was when Bic lighters were invented making "fire" portable?!? ;-)

Layton - Bic lighters have been around for 6,000 years and 7 days. Didn't ya know, God used one to light the sun on fire, hence it burned for 7 days, and during those 7 days, the earth formed and was populated by man and dinosaurs.

RedDev - I always WONDERED how the sun was lighted!!!

are all republicans responsible for global warming or just some?

Must have been a moment of "Bat" Sanity for her....

That bumper sticker could be used for half of Congress....from BOTH sides.

Holy Bat@!$%# Crazy Bachmann!! She only voted yes because she thought the bill on the agenda was repeal Obamacare.

RedDev---you've discovered Nancy Pelosi's secret plan---she is going to tell Bachman every bill that she votes on is to repeal Obamacare and trick her into supporting the Democrat agenda.

Steeler Fan ...

---she is going to tell Bachman every bill that she votes on is to repeal Obamacare and trick her into supporting the Democrat agenda.

OMG! I'm still laughing! PERFECT!

How on earth was she re-elected? She is from Minnesota's 6th. I thought those people were of a higher intellect than that. This country is getting scary. Very scary.

Citizens of any state that may be impacted by flood insurance needs remember their names.

Remind voters of their votes.

For example, my state of Wisconsin had terrible flood problems less than a decade ago. We literally had an Interstate shut down do to flooding.

If Ryan had his way a decade ago, there would literally be thousands of Wisconsin businesses who would not be in business today.

The same goes in almost every single state.

Remind millionaire business owners who would be out of business if these Republicans had their way.
Remind Americans of the jobs that would not exist today if these Republicans had their way.

I'm willing to bet 90% of them (meaning 60 out of 67) will be re-elected. Why? Because the people who put them there agree with their position. It's called politics.

Hey, Bentivolio's the Santa Claus impersonator! P@ss poor impersonation on this one, Kerry!

I was just thinking the same thing. Good post.

Oscar Rules

The authors provide a link to the votes but NOT to what was voted on (the bill itself). Go figure

OMG, it's another conspiracy!!!!

Get Darrell Issa on the phone.

Quick, to the Bat Cave!!!!

Salud

Nice facts. Where did you get them? The New York Times? A very unbiased newspaper and based on what I just researched, not very accurate. Va. and California ( a bastion of Democrat support and both voted for our President) get the most money back.

As for the red neck hick states, it should be Redneck (one word). And remember the old adage, insults show a true measure of intelligence.

Think - if you actually CAN think go to Forbes - they show the actual markups and they are all RED states!

SS,

Regardless of red or blue, one had to offer the bribe for one to take it.

thetotas - your post makes no sense. Bribe? Proof please!

What would you call it, if not a bribe?

Reid figured out—all on his own—that adding in these pork benefits for his Republican colleagues would insure passage of the relief bill.

Rick Ungar, Forbes Mag.

thetotas - compromise? I believe that is what parties do to help get bills through. Okay, Republicans DON'T do that but in the past, all parties have compromised to do the best job for the people. Novel idea, right?

Pat.....your statistics ......where did you get them? Did you dream them? Did a soothsayer tell you? Are you off your meds? With no source your post means nothing.

---- THANKS TO THE 67 NAYS FOR BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF MY TAX DOLLARS ---

A pork-barrel feast of goodies for federal agencies to fix museum roofs in D.C. and aid fisheries in Alaska, cooked up in the middle of the night in Harry Reid's Democrat Senate, is not the way to aid hurricane victims or run a government.

Here's a list of the GOOD GUYS!!!

Amash
Barr
Benishek
Bentivolio
Blackburn
Bridenstine
Brooks (AL)
Broun (GA)
Chabot
Collins (GA)
Conaway
Cotton
Daines
DeSantis
DesJarlais
Duffy
Duncan (SC)
Duncan (TN)
Fincher
Fleming
Flores
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Gohmert
Goodlatte
Gosar
Gowdy
Graves (GA)
Graves (MO)
Harris
Holding
Hudson
Huelskamp
Hultgren
Jenkins
Jordan
Lamborn
Marchant
Massie
McClintock
Meadows
Mullin
Mulvaney
Neugebauer
Palazzo
Pearce
Perry
Petri
Pompeo
Price (GA)
Roe (TN)
Rokita
Rothfus
Royce
Ryan (WI)
Salmon
Schweikert
Sensenbrenner
Stutzman
Thornberry
Weber (TX)
Wenstrup
Williams
Wilson (SC)
Woodall
Yoder
Yoho

So you are ok with the pork in the bill? yeah lets get rid of the people really doing there job of looking out for the taxpayer.

The bill they voted against was for insurance money only, dufus. Hope those goobers from Texas and Alabama and Tennessee and all the others from Tornado Alley don't come crying when their states get hit this year. Let them pay their own way. Oh, wait, they can't. They get more money from the feds than they put in.

Hey Mike L....liberal.

Texas can do just fine ALONE if need be. Get your facts straight WE NATIVE Texans are not a drain on the US .... We send you oil to heat your homes and run your govt. transit systems.

And we are the first to lend a hand when NEEDED.

Thank you Audie Murphy!

K martin - we have a name for NATIVE Texans, they're called MEXICANS.

None, dufus. It is for insurance only. Maybe you dummies should read before making dumb comments.

Do you also pay for flood insurance ?

Cuz that's what this bill is for, paying the flood insurance benefits for people who purchased flood insurance.

Nothing else, that's it....

Amazes me how many people have no clue what's going on around them........

Answer: You shouldn't, and aren't. The bill only covers those who have insurance. Why? Because the insurance companies weren't expecting a "frankenstorm" to jump out of the realm of science fiction and into reality anymore than the homeowners. The insurance companies simply can't afford that many claims at once. Many of the homeowners also don't have flood insurance, because they made the mistake of thinking that not being "in an at risk location" meant something. Which it doesn't now that our planet's climate runs like an old Yugo.