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Subscribe to RSSNBC's Luke Russert reports from Capitol Hill where House Speaker John Boehner has been re-elected to his position in the House.
Updated 2:14 p.m. -- Ohio Rep. John Boehner, R, won a second term as speaker of the House on Thursday over the dissent of a handful of House conservatives.
Following a bruising first two years as speaker and leader of House Republicans, 10 conservative lawmakers cast votes for someone other than Boehner during a roll call vote in the first hours of the new Congress. Several other conservative Republicans abstained from voting. Boehner received 220 votes of a total of 426 cast.
While Boehner won re-election to the speakership with the overwhelming support of the GOP, he also narrowly avoided the 16 total defections from fellow Republicans that would have triggered a second ballot of House lawmakers on electing a speaker. That would have been the first time a second ballot was needed since 1923, and a mild embarrassment for Boehner.
In remarks after the vote, a characteristically emotional Boehner urged members to resist pursuing "political victory" in lieu of leadership.
"If you've come here to see your name in the lights or to pass off political victory as some accomplishment, you've come to the wrong place. The door's right behind you," he said. "If you have come here humbled by the opportunity to serve, if you've come here to be the determined voice of the people, if you've come here to carry the standard of leadership demanded not by our constituents but by the times, then you've come to the right place. "
Lawmakers in the House of Representatives convene for the first session of the 113th Congress and re-elect House Speaker John Boehner for a second term.
Boehner cited the federal deficit as the overwhelming problem to be addressed by lawmakers, alluding to the need for serious negotiations to solve it.
"As Speaker, I pledge to listen and to do all I can to help all of you carry out the oath of office that we are all about to take," he said. "Because in our hearts, we know it's wrong to pass this debt on to our kids and grandkids, now we have to be willing - truly willing - to make this problem right."
Washington Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, the No. 4 Republican in the House, said that Republicans’ support for Boehner was “unanimous,” and no other GOP lawmaker publicly nominated an alternative candidate.
"There's one person I turn to," she said during her nominating speech, "to help point the way forward."
Democrats mostly cast their ballots for House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, Calif., for speaker, though a handful of moderate Democrats defected.
In remarks after the vote, Pelosi praised Boehner as a family man and a leader who has won "the respect of his colleagues on both sides of the aisle."
First Thoughts: Boehner boxed in
Boehner during his two years as speaker oftentimes struggled to manage an unruly Republican conference that threatened to scuttle deals the Ohio Republican had cut with President Barack Obama and Democrats. Boehner led Republicans to the majority in 2010 thanks to an infusion of energy from the Tea Party, but the demands of these conservatives often pushed Boehner into brinksmanship during battles with the administration over funding the government, extending the debt ceiling, extending a payroll tax cut through 2012 and resolving the fiscal cliff.
Arm-in-arm with Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Joe Manchin, D-Ill., Sen. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., makes a dramatic return to Capitol Hill after suffering a stroke, cheered on by his peers as he walks up the steps of the Capitol building.
At the beginning of the last Congress, Republicans unanimously acclaimed Boehner as their speaker. But during the intervening two years, Boehner encountered internal challenges that threatened to undercut his leadership.
During the high-stakes 2011 debates over continuing government funding and extending the nation’s borrowing authority, jockeying between Boehner and his No. 2, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., were little more than an open secret in Washington. (That dynamic cooled during 2012; while Cantor opposed the final fiscal cliff deal, his and Boehner’s team took great strides toward downplaying any sense of a rift between the two Republican leaders.)
But Cantor received a handful of votes from some conservative and freshman lawmakers during Thursday’s election; one of the other common names was that of former Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., one of the most high-profile conservative firebrands from the last Congress who lost his bid for re-election.
The internal Republican discord most strikingly spilled into the public spotlight during the lame-duck Congress, following elections which saw Republicans lose eight seats but retain their majority in the House. Boehner earned enemies from a handful of Republican congressman after the Republican steering committee stripped them of plum committee spots after they were deemed “not team players.” Kansas Rep. Tim Huelskamp, one of the four rogue Republicans, has almost made it a personal mission since then to highlight Boehner’s difficulties with conservatives.
Boehner’s speakership also arguably reached its weakest point during the final days of the 112th Congress when his fallback plan in fiscal cliff negotiations – which would have allowed taxes to rise on income over $1 million – was rejected by conservatives, thereby weakening their speaker’s own bargaining position.
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Members of the 113th House of Representatives recite the Pledge of Allegiance during the opening session at the Capitol, on Jan. 3, 2013.
But Boehner’s chief advantage in winning a second term as speaker stemmed from his lack of a formidable adversary. Though some grassroots conservatives had sought out different challengers to the speaker, none had emerged as a consensus choice during December. When conservatives floated the name of Rep. Tom Price – Boehner had supported Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, R-Wash., over Price in a race for the GOP’s fourth-ranking position – the Georgia Republican quickly quashed rumors that he would challenge Boehner.
And the leaders best-positioned to challenge Boehner – Cantor, Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy, Calif., or even Wisconsin Rep. and former vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan – closed ranks around the speaker, tasking Boehner for another two years with one of the most unenviable tasks in Washington: managing the House Republican Conference.
NBC's Carrie Dann contributed to this report.
NBC's Mark Murray and Domenico Montanaro discuss the end of the 112th Congress and looking ahead to the 113th Congress.
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How pitiful this filth is the best Congress could choose as speaker. How pitiful Congress has not more spine than to again vote in someone who doesn't give a damn about the country - just his alliegence to Grover Norquist!
Actually, maybe they're smarter than we give them credit for being. After all, who really wants to lead the worst Congress in the history of the country?
I watched the entire vote live and when they FINALLY announced that Boehner would again be the speaker I wanted to throw something at my screen! What really pisses me off is how you could hear all the friggin Republicans cheering! Cheering for the very worst speaker this country has ever had the misfortune of holding the big gavel. The other part that pisses me off is that I don't normally watch this in action, but are you friggin kidding me that our Congress still does all this crap by hand?! The amount of wasted time and energy it takes to tally up the votes by hand is pathetic. Well, I knew that Boehner would probably get in again, but I did fancy the thought that somehow Nancy Pelosi would win. Well, there goes my day. I will not even offer a congratulations to Boehner as he in no way deserves any accolades whatsoever.
Mr. Speaker - now do your job. Hold firm for a limit on the unrestricted expenditures!
Mr. Boehner nor anyone else in Congress is serious about the budget defict Mr. Razor. They're all patting themselves on the back for slowing the train wreck down from 100 to 95mph.
We elect our Congress, we keep sending the same people back, despite constant cries of 'vote them all out.'
He's a hundred times better than that whacko nut job Pelosi was!!!
@Occam's Razor
Your telling that to a man who is so weak he couldn't get aid for Hurricane Sandy victims? To a man who couldn't get the Violence Against Women Act through? He is fundamentally weak-willed and has been a lap-dog for the 50-80 Tea Party Reps., who have caused the worst Congress since they started keeping records.
Funny story.
@iowaretiree
The man has presided over the worst Congress in history, and can't even get the basics passed. And nearly everyone knows it too. Politically it is a big boon for Democrats to have such an incompetent head of the Congress--it makes it easy for them blame someone for the dysfunction.
Poor guy. What a thankless job.
THANK YOU GOD!!!!
yep, unlike the office of presidency LOL
Alaska girl- I felt the same way Nov 6th.
Look on the bright side; the GNOP could of easily done worse.
I wouldn't give NY and NJ 60 BILLION either. That's just insane. Sad thing is they probably will eventually. Only take 6 billion to put some cops in your schools to protect your kids.
Who needs Pelosi,Boner does more damage to the repubs than Pelosi ever could have.Boners victory is a bigger win for democrats than it is for repubs,are you sure those weren't democrats cheering?Boner's public approval rating stands at about 7%,why would dems want anyone else in that job?
Entire congress's approval is 11% not much difference.
Caesar an Stop, get over it. You two sound silly, no matter what you clowns say Obama is still the president and its gonna stay that way until 2016. Get use it to..
He's crying already!!!!! LMAO
Udasai, have you even looked at or thoroughly read that National Disaster Relief Aid 2012 bill? It covers ALL major national disasters for the calendar year 2012, and was attached to the DOD authorization bill. The $60B is NOT just for Hurricane Sandy victims. Less than $24B gets split among all of the states affected by Sandy, not just NY/NJ.
Boehner is the public face of a failed political party that is crumbling under the weight of its unpopular agendas, the insanity of the Tea Party, and hateful ideology of the right wing lunatic fringe. As the figurehead for a party of losers, Boehner has finally found his niche.
I can't believe they voted in this worthless piece of crap who will do nothing but block any bills that would help the average person and push to pass bills that will give the wealthy more benefits.
The only time I have heard a Republican (at least these days--it wasn't always like this) want the government to SPEND money is for police officers to be put into schools. Anything for their guns nothing for other people.
Hope he blocks all of the bills that takes more money from my kids plate to pay for your slut pills. Just checked my pay stub and my Medicare tax went up 65%!!!! Cut spending and quit giving money to lazy people and women who are whores.
The Speaker has the job of herding cats (wait, let's make that skunks). It is a thankless, near impossible job, which no one else wants. The other republican "leaders" would rather just sit on the sidelines and throw bombs periodically.
Beohner wins, two more years of gridlock ladies and gents...
Ugh...
Poor libs, I wonder if McConnel will be elected senate majority leader in 2015? Poor reid had to have biden take over to get anything done by the senate. I wonder if ol' joe will finally see that the senate submits a budget for FY2014 & 2015?
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Drowninggrover...
Can't have gridlock without opposition. BTW - whatever happened to democrats leading the way on spending cuts. Seems like the recently passed fiscal cliff bill really only dealt with increasing revenue. which I am sure that obama and company has already spent foolishly and frivolously.
Udasai: Unfortunately, of the $61B that has been requested for Hurricane Sandy reconstruction, only a small portion will actually go towards that end. The Republicans have padded it with so much "pork" that's it's ridiculous. I'm sure President Obama will NOT sign it with all the crap that's been added to it that has NOTHING to do with Hurricane Sandy! As for your not giving them that kind of money....I hope that you never have to go through losing your entire life before your very eyes due to Mother Nature!! I've never had it happen to me either, but the thought is very upsetting, and I feel for these people. My only hope is that when and if they rebuild, they do it in such a way that this won't happen to them again. There are so many new building codes and building materials that make reconstruction so much stronger and safer for those who want to stay. I just hope they get ALL the money that they need to either rebuild their homes or move to somewhere else to start their lives over again.
I loved sending paychecks out to my employees today and having to explain to all of them why their SS went up 2% even before the president signs the new bill into effect... JOY. Beohner is the only one who has the stomach to deal with all this crap in Wasington. I feel sorry for him.
Is the Tan man wearing mascara? That's going to look nice when the crocodile tears start rolling. Oh well, I guess I'll get drunk tonight in his honor..
I am glad they picked Boehner again. He is such an eyesore and irritant that he will turn more people off to Republicans. Remember Newt Gingrich back in the mid-1990's? The best thing that can happen is that the Republicans be odious and offensive so that theirs will be a dead ideology in a few years.
Since the Republicans agreed to a tax increase on the 'rich', now it's time for Obama to agree to cut spending.
Now we'll see who the REAL obstructionist is.
Why did Obama win?
Obama increased the number of people dependent on the government for assistance (the number of people getting food stamps, free health care and/or cash aid increased from about 30 million in 2008 to about 47 million in 2012). That's an increase of about 17 million getting 'free' assistance from the government.
Obama then told these people that “If Romney is elected, he will take away your food stamps”.
Obama won this group by about 11 million votes, while Romney won the group that pays the income taxes to fund the welfare by about 6 million votes – Net win for Obama = 5 million votes.
Simple, but effective.
Yeah, too bad there wasn't a better choice, but I'll take Boner over a tea-bagger any day!
Wonderful. Another four years of Political Gridlock in the Hosue by the PARTY OF NO...
...and, another 4 years of I HATE AMERICA from the goddam republican party.
Nothing but lowlife POSs that make up the American right wing...
@ makessense-7131188 thats the social security tax. Watch for the Medicare tax, mine went up 65%!!
@DMorgan because we hate liberals taking food from our kids and giving it to worthless non productive members of society.
Makessense: Yes, you can thank the Republicans for that one.....there's so much more that could have been done to keep taxes low, but they are so hardwired into Grover Norquist that nothing can be done that would help out this country, especially the middle class!! It's a sad day when even our politicians are fighting each other......apparently, party means more than the safeguarding of this country!! This goes for some Democrats also.....they ALL need to get their heads out of their nether parts and get something done that will help those of us who pay their salaries!!!
the speaker has taken a quote from John Paul Jones, "we have just begun to fight"; the real fight is next month, deficit reduction, spending limits, and most of all, the unrestrained borrowing by the federal Reserve , using social security receipts; the fiscal cliff will seem mild compared to what is down the road!
Oh good. I see Roy Wilson is in the house again today.
He tells us how much he hates MSNBC, but he's here every day.
And yes -- he's still bitter and angry because America didn't elect his Magic Underwear Mormon Cult Member to be the President.
So, Roy weeps in his corner, and comes here to screech at everyone.
All the change -- and everything stays the same. Even with Roy and his bitter whining...
A post like this illustrates the problem with American politics today. The GOP isn't a failed party. Almost half of America supports them (slightly more than half support the Democrats). The idea the Republicans consist of a minority of Tea Party wackos or religious nutcases demeans all the people who vote for these guys. The entire House was up for election and over half of them are still Republicans. Are you saying representing such a large minority of Americans represents failure?
Until we stop this knee-jerk demonization of the other side and take their concerns seriously, Congress will never achieve anything meaningful. That goes for both Republicans and Democrats.
@Empress
Honestly, that is the best-case scenario. Quickest way to get basic human rights like healthcare, not the crappy insurance company system we have in America, for everyone is for a quick end to this hyper-moralistic ideology to die.
@AG99
I'm sick and tired of this false equivalency. Your statement glosses over gerrymandering like it was nothing, that is is a big reason why Republicans kept control, and ignores that there really isn't any liberal "commie" wackos on the Democratic side. Congress won't achieve anything meaningful if Boehner keeps taking his ques from the loud-mouth, government hating extreme right.
Hehe, seekingsanity. It probably is one of those jobs you vote your worst frenemies into just to spite them, if only they knew better.
The scary thing is, Republicans spend so much of their time bashing labor unions because they say unions don't promote meritocratically, just on seniority alone, and are thus anti-free-competition. And yet, this is exactly how Republicans select their own leaders: in a completely merit-free manner. You get to lead by being dogmatically loyal and stick around for a long time, then when you finally are ready to retire, they hand you a highly-paid sinecure with a Republican "thinktank" or lobby firm.
Hypocrites.
Roy Wilson - so sad that you continue to post such drivel. Even the top Republican leadership (if you can call anything Republican leadership) says talk like yours is totally untrue and just plain laughable. But, go ahead if it makes you feel better - even though everyone knows there isn't a word of truth to it. You just look foolish when you post such nonsense!
CaliforniaFirst - I believe Republican "thinktank" is an oxymoron!
Good, now there's some hope for us
really? those making over 6-figures a year are having food taken from their kids' mouths? how does THAT happen? is this really how you try and justify your hatred for union workers?
My question to YOU is -- are you really that stupid, or are you just pretending to be stupid to see who might notice...
Even though it's Cantor's Tea Party machinations causing the gridlock - he still wants Boehner to be the foolish face of the Republican party.
DMorgan: actually, if the voting public is intelligent, we will only have two more years of the party of NO, aka, the Tea Party. Then the GOP can (hopefully) throw the Tea Nuts out of their party and get on with the real business of being a Representative, that is to govern, not to destroy.
The Tea Nuts are Libertareans who also want Conservative Christian theological laws to apply to the US.
Poor guy, he must be in the republican bubble I keep hearing about. Yep, it was the 47% hand-out queens who won't take responsibility for themselves that elected Obama, hunh Roy? Or maybe, just maybe Americans rejected Romney / Ryan's "plans" and the super-pac interests backing them?
The stupidity of the GOP lingers !
DMorgan, it actually sounds like Roy has factual points. You keep mentioning magic underwear because you are easily entertained. You are a child.
It's called Gerrymandering. Because the Republicans won so heavily in 2010, they redistricted the hell out of their states, and so eben states that voted Democrat for president and Senate came out with Republicans winning more districts. Look at Cantor's district. It looks like a giraffe!
Yeah, Republicans are really classy alright...
Look at this one in New Mexico -- Gary Smith, GOP ex-congressional candidate from New Mexico, arrested on an aggravated stalking charge. He lost the congress race, so what does he do? He stalks the candidate who won, slashes his tires, harasses him, etc.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57561798-504083/gary-smith-ex-congressional-candidate-from-new-mexico-arrested-on-aggravated-stalking-charge/
Oh well, I guess it's slightly better than all the lying, anti-gay GOP members of Congress who are actually gay closet cases (Foley, Larry Craig, etc)...
LiberalsAreTheWorst - not a single fact in Roy's drivel. And, top Republicans have rebuked those kind of comments over and over again! Talk about a child - look in the mirror!
Cruisin’ for a Brusin’
From the article above:
Seems to me that there is a crack in the Tea Party armor. If these 10-plus neo-cons have jumped ship, where are they to go now? Could Grover and Eric be forming their own coalition?
On Wednesday’s early morning vote, we saw 86 Republicans jump ship and side with the Democrats. For all intensive purposes, I believe we are witnessing the makings of a house-divided.
No longer can the Republicans count on Faux sNewzzzzz and Rush to spin their agenda for them. They lost all credibility on election night.
Quite honestly, I think this is a matter of simple physics, in that for every action there is an equal re-action, and the chickens are finally coming home to roost.
All of this is good news for the Democrats and the Americans public, because in my lifetime, when congress works together, than that is when the Middle class prospers.
Salud
No, as people point out here every day -- Roy lies and lies. He makes crap up as he goes along with no care or concern for the facts, and people call him on it every time...and all he does is lie in his replies!
I mentioned that Romney is a Magic Underwear-wearing Mormon Cult Member, because that is a fact. And, Roy is still bitter about his cultist losing the election -- and i told him for months and months that AMERICA will NOT elect a magic-underwear mormon cult member as President. Period! But he wouldn't listen, and now he's bitter and pissy because he kept demanding the Romney was going to be elected president, and he was WRONG WRONG WRONG!! As he always is!!
Since you are a right-winger, I'd expect you to have an issue with Facts. Just like Roy does. Apparently, ignoring facts is what you people do best!
Hold there feet to the fire Mr Speaker.
Come out swinging and show no mercy. Hold the high ground and pray the people will wake up someday from there Obama stupor.
And it works for both sides. My area is historically conservative, but it was redistricted in with Boulder and so went Democratic this time.
If you want a shorthand snapshot of liberal vs conservative numbers, look at the presidential race. Obama got 65M votes, while Romney got 60M. There are a lot of conservatives in this country. Dismissing their wishes as rightwing backwardness is just as oppressive as what liberals say the GOP is doing.
One has to wonder what the count would have been if "our" representatives had voted by secret ballot and would not have to face being ostracized by their respective parties for not voting along partisan lines. The only question now is will the 112th or the 113th be the lowest achieving congress in history.
@Dennis-816242 & DMorgan
Interjecting facts into the 'the bubble' and big ol' words like "garrymanderin'" is a great way to get yelled at. Have fun you no-good "liberals".
I suppose expecting people to put down their guns and give a crap about someone else is too much to ask for, especially all at once.
rukidding47: No, the reality is that the Republican party has to rid itself of the ultra-conservative Tea Party people, who should be removed from their committee positions. Boehner aught to do that to everyone who voted against him. The GOP has to teach the Tea Party people that they do not control the Republican party.
ok, you have a point? I never said he wasnt going to be president.
but but but Mandate!? 'We won, you lost' and 'dont you comprehend election results?' Only Right wing Nazi's oppress.
Do i sound Liberal yet LOL
ROY WILSON-336103
Funny, the charts I saw suggest that Senior Citizens voted for Romney over Obama. Are we not considering them to be getting "free" assistance from the government? What about military families we subsidize? They also voted for Romney over Obama.
Are we only discussing food stamps? The states using food stamps the most heavily are Oregon, New Mexico, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Michigan, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia and Maine, each clocking between 16.5% and 20.6% in food stamp use.
Of those states, they are split in the following way: Democrat - Oregon, New Mexico, Maine, Michigan. Republicans took Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky and West Virginia.
What argument are you trying to paint here? Net votes don't matter when it comes down to the electoral college, of the states listed with the highest food stamp use, 8 of the top 12 had their electoral votes counted to Romney... that's a 2-1 margin of states receiving the most food stamps voting red.
One can often tell the people in a STUPOR... Typically, they're the uneducated folks who don't know the difference between simple things like THERE and THEIR.
There is no God if he would let this heartless idiot be re-elected to hold America hostage for another term!
Not really. I think of what is best for my counrty and follow that. I saw a chance for the America to go in the right direction with Romney and his upside for what he could do for the economy. Liberals who like handouts went with there guy so they can be lazy.
No one at msnbc seems to be concerned with all the spending. Think of it as your budget at home, you have to make more then you spend.
Repojam. When you present FACTS to ROY, he just gets angry, confused and bitter. Try not to feed the animals, mmm-kay?
makesense - were your employees under the impression that the payroll tax holiday was going to be permanent? Do they know that money goes into Social Security?
This is just more bad news after all our taxes are going up with no limit on Gov. spending. We are heading the wrong way and this spineless career politician is riding shotgun with another spineless career politician POTUS. They keep hoping Americans come up with the next big thing in manufacturing or technology, they are treading water anticipating a windfall of tax revenue that occurred under Clinton in the 90's except it is not coming. We have encouraged people to quit rather than create.
In Michigan 90 ,
Gerrymandering is used by both parties. here is Wisconsin our Wacko Walker just got through with the Supreme Court ruling that two districts will not be allowed to vote for two terms which is Unconstitutional. All for Power and Greed!
Another of the uneducated masses...in a stupor...doesn't know the difference between THEIR and THERE...
Also: You seem to forget that the majority of "handouts" from gov't went to subsidize military families, farmers and the elderly...
...the majority of each of those groups voted Republican, for your Magic Underwear Mormon Cult Member. Then, go read REPOJAM's post, above, about food stamps, and who the majority of Food Stamp beneficiaries voted for (Romney). Then, take both feet out of your mouth -- obviously, you shoved them both in at the same time so far back, your toes are dangling above your belly.
OOPS!
The American people are saying that. Never mind the fact that the GOP lost ground in the Senate as well as the House at the last election and that their candidate lost his bid for the presidency, faith in congress has plummeted while President Obama's approval ratings are soaring. You are welcome to draw your own conclusions but it should be clear to any rational person the nation's citizens are repelled by the Republican Parties policies, agendas, and ideologies. Until it sheds the right wing lunatic fringe and the Tea Party, the GOP will continue to marginalize itself into political irrelevancy. The people have spoken.
Congressional approval:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html
President Obama's job approval:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
didi @ 1.25 said" Udasai: Unfortunately, of the $61B that has been requested for Hurricane Sandy reconstruction, only a small portion will actually go towards that end. The Republicans have padded it with so much "pork" that's it's ridiculous. I'm sure President Obama will NOT sign it with all the crap that's been added to it that has NOTHING to do with Hurricane Sandy!"
However, please consider this:
"...the White House formally requested that Congress pass a $60.4 billion bill, including $13 billion to prevent future storm damage. The request was about $21 billion short of what the governors of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut had been seeking.
The text of the Senate bill appears to match the White House request in detail as well."
so it would appear that all of the pork meets with the president's approval (since it is there at his request).
removal of non-sandy items would have allowed the bill to pass. the non-sandy items should be part of the regular budget process -- that is if we had a regular budget process. if the democrats in the senate do not bring a budget for consideration then the non-sandy items will likely not happen.
LiberalsAreTheWorst
I'm a liberal. I like to work. I like to make money. I don't want to collect unemployment checks but if my current job falls through I may have to--there is no living on unemployment, there is simply subsisting and surviving. What does that make me? Sorry, I just want people to be taken care regardless of what circumstances led them to their current situation-I mean, I would want the same treatment if I was in their shoes.
Last month, the Senate Budget Committee reports that in fiscal year 2011, between food stamps, housing support, child care, Medicaid and other benefits, the average US household below the poverty line received $168 a day in government support. What’s the problem with that much support? Well, the median household income in America is just over $50,000, which averages out to $137.13 a day. To put it another way, being on welfare now pays the equivalent of $30 an hour for a 40-hour week, while the average job pays $25 an hour. And the person who works also has to pay taxes, which drops his pay to $21 an hour. It’s no wonder that welfare is now the biggest part of the budget, more than Social Security or defense. And why would anyone want to get off welfare when working pays $9 an hour less?
Roy Wilson said:
In a way, you do bring up a point. In the case of Obama, the lines were not that clear because many times Obama talked of cutting programs, at times, even more than Romney. Most people, however, did not listen closely to what the candidates actually said and just voted party line (assuming Democrats always support programs and Republicans always cut them.) That being how the vote went, Obama won because he was assumed to be a person who would not cut the programs that people need.
There are those, including you, who seem to think that people get on these programs because they think it is such a great idea to be on them as if they kick back enjoying lazy days sipping margaritas on the beech after driving around in their Cadillacs. It is a myth that the people who receive these government helps are living the high life. They are barely scraping by; and if they could work and get decent money, they would be more than happy to do so. Many of them are old or ill. Any civilized society must take care of its old, ill, and needy. Years past, this used to be understood by all decent people. There was no need for political leverage of this category of persons. They did not need the weight of votes to be assured that their basic needs are met. But then along came a new evil ideology, starting in the Ronald Reagan era, declaring the poor, old, and needy as villains and enemies to be fought against. The rich, young, able, and lucky decided that they alone were the worthy ones of life in society and decided to take on a Darwinist attitude. Now the haves and have-nots are pitted against each other.
So, what are the have-nots to do in this particular political environment? They can no longer count on mercy and decency. They have to have political weight. How does one get political weight and protect one's interests? Numbers! From the point of view of the poor and needy, numbers is power. Things will politically be better when these numbers increase well over 50%. Once 60% or so of people are on some sort of government program that they need and wish to protect, the hard-hearted tea party will be out of business. When they are gone, the better off we all will be.
The way the economy is going, such numbers will increase. Jobs are paying lesser and lesser due to a world economy and the downward pressure that is producing. More people will need things like government subsidized health care, etc. Wages are getting so pathetic that working people qualify and need food stamps. The non-working population is growing because of high unemployment and job skill demands being too difficult for more and more people. And it is not all Obama's fault. It is the nature of the capitalist economy we have. It is part of globalization and the unregulated nature of our economy.
I can see the United States going into a "welfare state" era for so many years until the system of capitalism is too dysfunctional to be a fit economy. I can see a day where a new type of economy will take its place and we transition into something totally different, built on the ashes of the old collapsed capitalist economy. In a non-capitalist economy, more people will be working and productive again because working conditions will improve because there will no longer be a profit motive, hence the stress and pressure in today's jobs. People in the future may be able to live well doing only 25-30 hours of work a week, leaving plenty of time for health and fitness, family life, and other human things.
It could be worst, Boner is NOT that bad ..... And about Welfare state better look hard in that mirror, this was created along time before OBAMA was even a thought. Maybe if the Minorities was given a fair chance with what the Whites had they would not be so dependant on handouts.
CLWYD.....God has nothing to do with politics...if he did the Anti-Christ Empty Suit wouldn't have gotten re-elected.....
Apparently 60M of them aren't. That's my point. While I agree the GOP isn't doing as well as the Democrats at the moment, and while I also disagree with probably most of their social agenda, the fact is a great many people support them. Even with crappy approval ratings, they still remain in office, presumably because the competition in the eyes of those voters is worse.
Until the electorate shows them the door en masse, the GOP represents a significant portion of us. Dismissing them out of hand is simply wrong.
If you ever needed proof that Republicans are sadistic as hell and that their Speaker is a masochist....you got it.
Repojam
Great points... unfortunately it will fall on deaf ears. Roy is a known LIAR. He parrots false talking points and basically repeats whatever he heard on Hannity.
Fun fact: Hannity viewership is down by half... that's right, HALF. Apparently some people are wising up to the Fox News lies and bull-s*** they spread each day.
http://money.msn.com/investing/11-things-wrong-with-congress
Once again the Uneducated "Dumbing Down" Newsvines "Get Smarter Here".
Most of you don't even know why the "Fiscal Cliff" occurred. Translation for the simple minded: The Waitress arrived with the Bill of $2.1 Trillion for the meal the President Obama ate, and now he is looking for everyone else to pay.
Congratulations FOOLS. Proof once again that "Popular" Majority Non Factual Emotive Opinionated "Won" something, On the Road to President Obama's Greece (promised everything and anything without any means to pay for the everything and anything. borrow more money, print more money).:
(Demoncrap Controlled) Senate-Passed Deal Means Higher Tax on 77% of Households
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-01/senate-passed-deal-means-higher-tax-on-77-of-households.html
Now wait till the "Debt Celling" Crisis.
Didi........"Republicans padded the Bill with so much pork..." Are you serious!?!?! May want to do your research sweetie.
That number is dwindling and it has gone down since the election. That's my point. Political obscurity is looming on the horizon for you, your party, and its crash-and-burn politics.
Nobody really wants the job after they've seen what the Republicans have done to it. So they put the umpa-lumpa back on the chair. Too bad they can't fry his worthless a$$ in that chair!
@Empress-409341
Epic post. Good stuff. Well done. Doubt ROY WILSON will listen. The soft rhyme was unintentional.
@Sam627556
Boner is actually quite a good poet. And a pretty good cut of meat. Not sexual innuendo at all.
AG99
Not trying to sound like an echo here, but AG99 brings up a very good point. We can't just dismiss them out of hand and nor should we. Dismissing one of the working halves of the legislative branch out of hand because of their party affiliation is a very bad move. One of the issues I continually see is groupthink amongst the parties. If we only have one side's input of what is going on, it's going to close legislators off to other ideas or considerations.
I don't honestly believe that one side only proposes good or bad ideas, and I don't like what I see when I see the blanket statements thrown out (Democrats only want your money, Republicans are only for the rich,etc) that suggest "because you have a D or R in front of your name, or because you identify as a Democrat or Republican I can completely disregard what you have to say."
is that any different than the Caligula style President we have now? GOD COMPLEX
Let them continue and I suspect it will come full circle. like the whole 47% thing for Romney
Boehner did give a pretty powerful speech, promising to "listen" to the American People and to be:
Wow! The "standard of leadership demanded by the times"!!!
Now there's a real slap in the face to the Teagaggers.
wb52 - oh, please try to keep up! The "empty-suit" lost he election and our very good President Obama was re-elected. Now you can rest better!
What makes you think they're my party? I didn't vote for any Republicans last time (well, maybe county commissioner; I can't remember). I merely advocate fairness in the discussion. Perhaps Repojam (1.84) says it better than I do.
As for political obscurity, I remember thinking something similar about the Democrats a few years ago, but they bounced back. Both parties always do.
Liberalsaretheworst
Here we have another Republican LIAR.
Let me explain what this Republican did. First he tallied up ALL government benefits to ALL people... including Medicaid which is subject to rising healthcare costs, and housing support which is also provided to military families.
Then he took that number and applied it to a different group of people, those below the poverty line. This is a classic "apples and oranges" situation. You will notice that he DID NOT say the "average of those who receive these benefits", no... he specifically picked a different group of people so that the average number would be inflated.
On top of all that, he went on to say...
Now the problem here is that this Republican is attempting to compare the average household income to benefits received. At first you may think he has a point, until you realize that healthcare insurance benefits are NOT included in this median household income.
So now we have a situation where he is trying to compare the monetary benefit of those receiving medicaid, subject to the high health care costs... to a group of people where the monetary benefit of health care is left out. Again, he is comparing two separate groups of people in an "apples and oranges" situation.
And THIS, folks, is how Republicans twist the facts to support their LIES. This is the perfect example of how Republicans trick the stupid population into believing their lies... because most of them do not possess the critical thinking skills to see through this blatant manipulation of numbers.
And Boehner wept. Often, Sots can do that at will.
I tend to agree with AG99 and Repojam on this issue. Continuing the "echo" maybe? Obama won fairly closely. But, none of us can actual claim what the actual country thinks, because ~39% of the country voted this time around (~43% of the above 18 population, still less than half of the voting eligible population). So all results are an inaccurate representation of America! USA! USA!
However, unless they change their ideology they will become a growing minority. So I proactively dismiss them because it require an act of god in the new media age to get someone like Bush Jr. elected again.
source, LATW?
Boehner actually was cool and collected and delivered enough votes for the fiscal cliff deal..better late than never...in providing some leader$hit.
If the Tea Party really wanted to make a real statement and determine which Republicans to primary, they'd have denied Boehner the speaker's gavel and dared any element of the party to form a governing coalition with Democrats under Nancy Pelosi.
To steal shamelessly from Shakespeare, the Tea Party is "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." The country will be unable to progress until the rest of the Republican party comes around to this realization.
I was shocked and dismayed that they would reelect this joker as speaker until I saw who the alternative was then I was simply shocked.
Congratulations Mr. Speaker
@seekingsanity, there is nothing more filthy than a liberal. John Boehner is a true American standing by the values of true Americans and trying to preserve our nation rather than letting it fall under communism. Several demorcrats defected on voting for insane Pelosi. Good for Boehner. They are the only ones who have been trying to get something done. Libs have yet to come up with a budget after 4 years. And what idiot, igornant liberals just can't seem to get into their brainless heads is that the spending has to stop and it seems that Obama just refuses and has already said that he would not stop the spending, going against what he said in his first campaign, in other words, he continues to lie to us. I wll not raise taxes, not one penny!!!!, Every penny spent in Washington will be accounted for!!! REALLY!! The man just wants to keep printing money and gov't spending what they don't have to spend. It is really that hard to understand that spending has to stop. Please don't call Boehner filthy because he is the only one there along with those that support him that really do care about this country.
I would love to take that mallet and pound some common sense into this azzholes head.
This is an absolute disgrace. Putting a drunk back in the same position he was in for the past two years and accomplished nothing but a mess and chaos.
Give this sob the pink slip and toss his pathetic drunken azz out to the curb.
I agree. If the extreme religeous element were gone. There is separation of church and state for a reason. If the party did a better job of screening - ie.. Akin and point 1- I believe it would be the dominant party. Without the religeous right, it would be able to put keeping abortion legal in its platform - or at least removing making it ilegal from its platform.
Despite Obama's claim that he had a mandate to raise taxes on the top 2% - I believe more people voted for Obama because they were afraid Romney / Ryan would attack Roe vs wade.
It is a bit revolting to even think what that witch Pelosi would do with the gavel!
Yaaaa! Now we will have someone in there who will tell the democrats to screw off when they want to hike taxes and spend like drunken sailors on leave.
How is this different than before? Boehner was there for 2 years. I've seen quite a bit of that going on for the last 12 years. The House and Senate are addicted to spending.
Mr. Boehner,
You have the ball, time to run with it. We are going to need cuts in Federal spending and lots of them and from ALL categories. You have some leverage now, the the debt limit fast approaching and you can get cuts from the Democrates or just let the country run out of money and stop all spending. It has to be done, get some real cuts.
Well said "Shellback"! I just snorted some water on my keyboard! Don't you just love how these idiotic liberals go into a feeding frenzy when msnbc provokes them? "We won, you lost, na-na-na-na!" The sound like a bunch of children, but after seeing some of bho's supporters being interviewed exiting the polls, it really doesn't surprise me. Dumber than a sack of rocks comes to mind...
Empress:
I can see a day where a new type of economy will take its place and we transition into something totally different, built on the ashes of the old collapsed capitalist economy. In a non-capitalist economy, more people will be working and productive again because working conditions will improve because there will no longer be a profit motive, hence the stress and pressure in today's jobs. People in the future may be able to live well doing only 25-30 hours of work a week, leaving plenty of time for health and fitness, family life, and other human things.
Naw, it's been tried, time and time again. Doesn't work. The productive members of society ultimately reach a breaking point - they get tired of supporting deadbeats. Even in socialist France today, public opinion is swinging rapidly away fr/Hollande's unpopular "penalize the wealthy" policies. (In fact, the French high court just struck down their millionaire tax.)
American Progressives seem to be constantly behind the curve. They wax eloquently about the ideals of "caring for everyone," while completely ignoring the pragmatic realities of human nature and motivation (or demotivation, as the case may be), reflected in the histories of human society on this planet. Capitalism at its core is not a system, rather it's a label for natural human interaction and transaction. It's natural for humans to ultimately rebel when more is being taken from them than what they're getting in return. Welfare states always either reform or collapse - they never last.
Hey conservatards. You people are the majority of the budget spent on your allegedly dreaded handouts. You have zero right to complain about what the majority of us believe, you are all guilty of treason! You want to break away from the union and I support that because you will see the USA thrive without your welfare burden and your thieving CEO's you love so much. Liberals don't mind paying taxes because they do a lot of good things. You losers keep crying about having to pay your share to live in a great country. As your house leader said, if you don't like it the door is behind you.
Didi, everything you say is a complete lie. Tell me, is is hard to type with 0bama's nuts on your chin?
Unlike many who, which ever way the wind blows, lean with the wind, Boehner sticks to his principles and cares for the nation’s well being. The next 4 years will show how valuable he is to the nation and many, especially on this thread, will have to swallow the bile.
To Speaker Boehner, sir, congratulations on your re-election.
I wonder if he's sitting in the cafeteria alone and without any milk, because the other Republicans took it?
Dear Blessed Goddess. I have spent most of the last couple of days saying this and people still don't get it.
HR1, as passed by the House, was originally for allocating funds for all Departments of the Federal Government. The opening paragraph of HR1 says:
In the Senate of the United States, December 28, 2012. Resolved, That the bill from the House of Representatives (H.R. 1) entitled ‘‘An Act making appropriations for the Department of Defense and the other Departments and Agencies of the Government for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2011, and for all other purposes" do pass with the following amendments...
The House originally passed it to detail spending for ALL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES; the Senate wrote a few amendments into it so that all people in the US who have been affected by any disaster in 2012 could benefit from monies disbursed.
This is NOT a 'Sandy Relief' bill, this is an 'All 2012 US Disasters' bill. Look at what happened this year. Warmest year on record. Droughts in the Midwest; fires in the west; mudslides and landslides, sinkholes opening up when heat caused roads to buckle. Superstorm Sandy, and her nearly-forgotten older brother Issac. Debris from the Japan tsunami still washing up on our shores, hitting fishing equipment and damaging boats; earthquake swarms all over the country, then add in the tornadoes and early-December blizzards the west just went through....the Smithsonian roof that Republicans were talking about as being 'unrelated'--that's a crack that's been there since (i believe) the East coast earthquake a couple of YEARS ago, and as any homeowner knows, if you don't take care of a little problem when it appears it's just going to get bigger and more costly the longer you delay fixing it. Since some of these funds are going the the Army Corps of Engineers and will help fix the Washington Monument, what's a little bit diverted to repair a museum roof at the same time? both the Washington Monument and the Smithsonian are priceless US national treasures.
When you look at it in that light, no, it's not 'pork' at all. If the bill were titled 'Sandy relief' ONLY, yes, it would, but it's not, the bill's intent is to detail spending allocations for all government agencies and the Senate's amendments were simply designed to increase allocations to certain departments so that anyone affected by a disaster in 2012 could receive assistance.
Can you all PLEASE go read this thing for yourself before you howl abut 'pork'?
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1eas/pdf/BILLS-112hr1eas.pdf
Either no one wanted to stand up and take the heat... or Boehner really is a masochist. No matter, the Country will stay divided and log jammed as long as the Tea Party whackos spell lasts on the Republican party.
Liberalsaretheworst said:
Just to give everyone some idea of what numbers are being used, go check out the CRS Report on Welfare Spending. You'll see that the $746 billion number that's being used to calculate the $168 a day number. It includes $295.8 billion in Medicare Spending, $78.4 billion in child related tax credits (not just to people on welfare, but to all middle class and lower), and $41.5 billion in Pell Grants (really, we're including this in daily income?).
Those are just 3 examples, there are 83 different programs included in the report, most of them are related to health care (46%). Which is weird because I don't typically consider the amount of money that my insurance company gives the doctor after my visits as part of my "daily income", maybe I should start! Hey, at my last dentist checkup the insurance paid my dentist something like $200 after my co-pay, sweet!
For everyone advocating for and supporting John Boehner;
Remember, if something happens to the President and the Vice President, the Speaker of the House becomes the next president.
John Boehner is the head of the Homeland Security Oversight Committee--and Homeland Security has an annual budget of $98 billion. Janet Napolitano, head of Homeland Security and Forbes' 9th most powerful woman in the world, reports directly to him.
Homeland Security started in 2002 (right after 9/11) with an operating budget of $49 million. In 2011 their budget was $98 billion--that's a huge jump for any government agency.
They've also quietly absorbed a lot of government agencies under their umbrella. USCIS, CBP, ICE, US Coast Guard, US Secret Service, FEMA, TSA...those are just a few. Even quieter than those is the absorption of the Office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, the Office of Legislative Policy, the National Cyber-Security Center, the National Communications System. All new DVD's now have Homeland Security's logo right next to the FBI's Anti-Piracy warning. Homeland Security raided a flea market in my municipality and confiscated a whole bunch of fake Nikes and fake Gucci bags. There have been several requests by ICE in recent months asking people for assistance in identifying various persons who they suspect are engaging in child pornography.
Homeland Security has been the driving force behind development of portable DNA analyzers; long-distance retina scanners; FAST, which will predict if someone is going to commit a crime (development complete and currently being tested in a 'undisclosed location in the Northeast') and drone-mounted surveillance cameras that can see through walls and roofs, which they (reportedly) tested over Nogales, AZ in late 2010.
And one other thing to keep in mind; Boehner recently asked the President if his 33 member committee (mostly Republican) could have sole oversight of Homeland Security, including budgets and accountability. This means that all the lobbyists for the private contractors currently involved in enhancing our nations's security will only have to wine and dine those 33 Homeland Security Oversight Committee members to try and get laws passed to increase the money going into these contractors pockets for R&D of technology like FAST.
When Harry Reid accused him of running a 'dictatorship' in the House, he (reportedly) told Reid to "Go f*** yourself."
Is this really the person we want to be third-in-line for the Presidency?
TO: LookingForwardtotheFuture who wrote:
If you were worried about your "kids" then you'd support clean air, clean water, and safe food.
If you want "Medicare" to be there for you, then you're going to have to pay for it. Sounds like you're the one who expected to get it almost "free".
By "lazy people" we assume you're referring to the victims of Hurricane Sandy who just hit up Congress for $9 Billion dollars in give-away money that won't have to be paid back.
Speaking of "whores", they're also included among those that some "conservatives" rage against having abortions.
Disgusting, twisted people sometime troll this board.
I bet empress would go buy a new car and give it to the neighbor and make the payments for them !
SeekingSanity: "How pitiful this filth is the best Congress could choose as speaker. How pitiful Congress has not more spine than to again vote in someone who doesn't give a damn about the country - just his alliegence to Grover Norquist!
Actually, maybe they're smarter than we give them credit for being. After all, who really wants to lead the worst Congress in the history of the country?"
First, let me remind you congress includes the Senate. Second, you liberals are foul-mouthed and name calling. And C: how about your Democratic filthy scum bag Harry Reid. He sounds like he should be in 6th grade special ed and doesn't allow 98% of the bills passed by the House to even reach the floor to be voted on. Yeah, he really cares just like you.
Will lets see how Obama handles the debt limit does he engage out have the VP do his job again?
One could say the same of the POTUS!
americangirl: I thought "..the standard of leadership demanded not by our constituents.." was more telling. The constituents are the times.
probably not but they do love talking about teabaggers
"Slut pills"? I thought we'd reached an intellectual and social bottom. Silly me. "Slut pills"? Jeez. On the upside, we now know the moral, ethical and intellectual level of a certain element of our society.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
By the rabid hate, anger, racism and rage this result is evoking from the limp-wristed little Liberals/Progressives, I'd say the right man has been re-elected.
Of course the Libbies would prefer some week-kneed, spineless, buffoon like Barrack Hussein who hates America, the Constitution and Freedom so they can keep getting their little freebies from the government.
As Barrack Hussein indoctrinates them with his minimalist belief that the best they can achieve in life is to be middle-class, they kneel and submit as they have no ambition, self-confidence or pride left. They allow themselves to be intimidated by his alleged authority which no real American can see.
There is nothing in the Barrack Hussein economic plan that demands the American Dream be to achieve, to succeed, to be exceptional. It's simply comical to listen to the unwashed masses from the Left that demonized the Bush tax cuts for 11 and 9 years respectively and NOW demand that 99% of Americans need to maintain those same tax cuts or economic Armageddon will collapse our economy.
The adolescent mentality of the Libbies is painful to watch and listen to. Of course now the $680 billion in revenues over the next decade are the punctuation mark for their self proclaimed success. The $68 billion of yearly revenue doesn't even pay for a week of spending (we spend over $10 billion a day). This is the culmination of the Liberal/Progressive plan. This is the solution.
This is the embarrassment of what so many directionless Americans voted for 2 months ago. The fiscal cliff has not been avoided, not by any measurable means. The political class has just done what they are only capable of doing now, kicking the can down the road more and more. The massive amount of money our criminal government has stolen, embezzled, defrauded and malinvested can no longer be recovered without Draconian austerity which Liberals will never agree to or be able to survive.
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.
It’s a shame the democrats never dissent, just aimlessly follow an empty suit pushing an empty chair.
I predicted Cantor would pull a coup and overthrow Boehner, but it didn't happen. Is that good, of course not, but @!$%# happens, neither Cantor, nor Boehner are worth a @!$%#. With Cantor as speaker, everyone would know the hate he has for President Obama since he was part of the original 13 obstructionists who met on January 20, 2009 to obstruct any and everything President Obama and his administration attempted, sad part is that same group is still intact in the us congress, so I'm sure it will be business as usual for them.
LOL!!!! You're a trip dude, talk about limp-wristed . If for no other reason, I'm so glad President Obama won re-election just to watch you racist @!$%#s cry, cry, cry!!!!
Did you notice some of "YOUR" kind have brought up the "birther" bull@!$%# again? When will you clowns go away!!! LOL
65% of Americans have practically told you and the republican party to go to hell, why don't you heed their request. Your party is self-imploding right before your eyes.....see-ya!!!!
Hillary Clinton....2016!!!!
Boxer: I will work harder
LookingForwardToTheFuture, I like your name. I as well am looking forward to the future, that is when the time comes that your party finally dies out and everyone in it takes their self-righteousness to hell with them. Whores? Slut pills? Who taught you to think like that, you pathetic degenerate? As American Girl said, there are plenty of people in your beloved party who are in that category that you so intelligently named. You are not immuned, and, I'm sorry to burst your obvious bubble of denial, but women don't stay virgins all wrapped up with a bow for their wedding nights anymore. Don't worry, I'm sure you'll get over it. If those women take contraception, I don't think it's any of your damn concern, because they're doing what they need to do for their future, not because they care what you think, you misogynist pig. Get an education and troll somewhere else with your worthless comments.
liberalsaretheworst: Generalities of this magnitude are certainly revealing, if nothing else.
Personally, I think anyone willing to elect a 'venture capitalist' to any office, from dog catcher on up, is gullible beyond hope.
FYI Obama DID NOT RAISE any taxes. Simply put taxes that were TEMPORARILY LOWERED reverted back to their original rate.
Here is a kindergarten level explaination for the RW MORONS who are incapable of comprehending the difference between "tax increase" and a "reversion" back to previous rates.
" Letting tax cuts expire is not the same as raising taxes. It is simply letting the cuts expire and returning to the normal rate, that is not raising them, that is not increasing them, that is simply letting the cuts expire.
Look, you go to the store on Monday and they have this awesome - I don't know, thing on the shelf that costs 200$, you go to the store Tuesday and the thing is on sale for $99, you go back to the store on Wednesday and the thing costs 200$ again.
Do you start screaming and yelling about massive price hikes or do you simply say to yourself "damn the sale is over"?
Taxes have not been increased, the cuts have simply expired for some people - if taxes were truly increased you would start with the Clinton era rates and THEN add an additional two or three percent. Letting the cuts expire is not the same as increasing the rates - it is simply the sale ending, your coupon is expired, your discount card expired, the price has returned to normal, the rate returns to normal. Not an increase, a return to normal.
Although, I do believe that there is about twenty to thirty percent of the country who would go into a store the day after a sale and scream about socialism and massive price hikes... "
What the hell is the matter with that pussy Boehner??? He cries at the flippin drop of a hat............and he's the leader of the republican party????? For christs' sake get a grip man................your embarrassing your whole party. Maybe he keeps crying about the houses' 8% approval rating that his party currently dominates. Whooooooopsy
SDN
Hmmmmmm, so are we to assume that you hold our previous vice-president in similar disgust, and his ‘venture capital’ firm, Kleiner Perkins? The VC that has been hemorrhaging capital from their repeated “green investment” losses?
Or is that gullibility only reserved to Conservative VC’s?
Not to worry too much about good ole Mr. Inconvenient Truth, he just sold off his failing “Current TV” to the Islamists at Aljazeera.
Hey, aren’t they owned by Qatar? Isn’t Qatar one of the mean nasty oil-rich bogeyman countries that Liberals hate? Seems Mr. Inconvenient Truth is just a typical Liberal hypocrite like all the rest.
Doesn’t it?
BTW, has anyone heard from Keef Olderman lately? (ouch, that’s gotta hurt)
Yeah, he signed up on the vine and posts under the pen name of Feisty Redhead Roselle IL.
Natalie: "If those women take contraception, I don't think it's any of your damn concern, because they're doing what they need to do for their future, not because they care what you think, you misogynist pig. Get an education and troll somewhere else with your worthless comments."
It shouldn't be any of my "damn concern." But when they're asking me to pay for their contraceptives, aren't they making it my "damn concern?"
@american-2051576
"...Seems like the recently passed fiscal cliff bill really only dealt with increasing revenue. which I am sure that obama [sic] and company has [sic] already spent foolishly and frivolously. [sic]"
You sir/madam are a typical republiCON --- COMPLETELY ignorant and/or living in some far-right, alternate reality state of delusion. No doubt you get your information from Faux "News", but that is no excuse for your painfully obvious lack of understanding about our nation's government and how it works, considering most children learn this in their third grade civics class. Before you post something so humiliating again, perhaps it would be beneficial for you to check out the link below which I believe to be a reference appropriate to your intelligence level:
w w w. y o u t u b e. c o m / w a t c h ? v = V x T 7 Q j l v D q M
**You may need to view the clip several times, as understanding the information it contains will, no doubt, be quite challenging (for you, anyway).
I hope this short video will give you enough knowledge of the subject matter to understand that before OUR President can sign a law spending any of our country's money, a majority of the legislators in BOTH houses of congress (the House of Representatives and the Senate) must vote to approve the bill and funding for it. If EITHER the House or Senate fails to pass a piece of legislation, the President CANNOT sign the bill into law or authorize the Treasury Department of our federal government to pay the costs associated with that piece of legislation. Therefore, your comment that "...obama [sic] and company has [sic] already spent foolishly and frivolously" the relatively insignificant amount of revenue generated by the fiscal cliff negotiation is not only incorrect, but also utterly IMPOSSIBLE.
Finally, for your own well-being, I BEG you to occasionally turn off your television or AT LEAST change the channel. I fear that you may end up overdosing on the Kool-Aid they are serving over at Faux "News".
I think you're on the wrong planet.
" ... Do i sound Liberal yet LOL ... "
Let me answer that question for you ...
No.
No, you still sound like an idiot who's shoe size is bigger then their I.Q..
Happy now?
Any other questions that you would like answered?
LOL. Nothing funnier than reading the ignorant drivel from uneducated rednecks, who have NO CLUE about the real meaning of words like communism and marxism, etc... but they throw the words around like idiots tossing bread crumbs. And then, seeing something like "John Boner is a True American" in the same paragraph of spew. LMFAO!
This would actually be hilarious, except people like Kanic are so goddam brainwashed, the truth is actually sad.
It's a helluva lot cheaper than having to pay for all the medical bills associated with childbirth. But we all pay for that, even those of us who choose not to have kids! A lot of people wouldn't have kids if they had to pay for it all themselves! But WHOA! THOSE handouts ----- those are OK, aren't they, because YOU and people like YOU benefit from them. Because WOW! You shouldn't be expected to pay the entire $10-15K in hospital bills for giving birth. That's what insurance pools are for -- that way, EVERYONE gets to foot the bill for you and others each time they want to pop out a kid. All the free public schools your kids go to, the free public libraries your kids use, the free public pools they go to, etc etc etc etc... It's GREAT when THOSE cost are spread out to ALL taxpayers --- because everytime an individual use fee is talked about, suggesting that everyone be responsible for their own costs and the costs of their kids, people like you screech and belly-ache til the cows come home. Lowlifes NEVER want to pay their own freight. But they're always the ones shrieking about welfare and the people who suck off of the gov't. Yet -- YOU describe YOURSELF!
Handouts aren't handouts when YOU and your buddies get them for your own selfish benefit.....right??
" ... the average US household below the poverty line received $168 a day in government support. ... "
That would be $61,320 a year. WOW. How do I become a citizen of your alternate reality.
How can/do you expect people to think you are anything but a nut when you make crap comments like this. Without any supporting evidence? Nothing to back you up. Just the talking points fed to you by Fox News, Bill O, Rush and that rodeo clown Glen?
Come on no one can be that stupid. Well there is the Republican leader in the Senate. He put a bill before the Senate to be voted on then filibustered his own bill. So never mind.
I can't understand what the fuss is all about. Boehner will make a very sanitary House Speaker. I mean, chimps can't be housebroken and neither can the other House Republicans. Boehner is the logical choice.
DMorgan,
Oh I see how it works in Liberal La-La land. I'm supposed to open up my wallet, but I'm not allowed to have an opinion about how my money is spent. Is that it?
By the way, I've no idea who you're profiling in your rediculous rant. I think everyone should pay to play. Period.
For starters, you're not very bright.
George from WA State: "That would be $61,320 a year. WOW. How do I become a citizen of your alternate reality.
How can/do you expect people to think you are anything but a nut when you make crap comments like this. Without any supporting evidence? Nothing to back you up. Just the talking points fed to you by Fox News, Bill O, Rush and that rodeo clown Glen?
Come on no one can be that stupid."
Actually, it is based on data from the Census, the Office of Management and Budget, and the Congressional Research Services, reported Oct. '12.
"According to the Census’s American Community Survey, the number of households with incomes below the poverty line in 2011 was 16,807,795," the Senate Budget Committee notes. "If you divide total federal and state spending by the number of households with incomes below the poverty line, the average spending per household in poverty was $61,194 in 2011."
This dollar figure is almost three times the amount the average household on poverty lives on per year. "If the spending on these programs were converted into cash, and distributed exclusively to the nation’s households below the poverty line, this cash amount would be over 2.5 times the federal poverty threshold for a family of four, which in 2011 was $22,350."
Don't believe me? Google it for yourself.
George from Wa. State
George, you’re close, it’s actually about $500 more for a family of 3.
Since 1965, when good ole boy LBJ decided to declare war on the poverty state, we have spent over $17 TRILLION (estimates range between $15 trillion and $19 trillion) and our poverty level has gone up. Obviously, according to the Liberal mind we need to spend MORE to help these poor despondent people.
The recent poverty rate of 15.1% is skewed due to the current recession, which by the way we have allegedly been out of since June of 2009, it is actually about 14.3%. But I digress.
This year the Federal government will spend more than $668 BILLION on at least 126 different programs created to fight poverty. States and local governments add about $284 BILLION annually to fight poverty. Almost $1 TRILLION dollars is spent on poverty every year. This amounts to $20,610 for every poor person in America, or $61,830 per family of three. To put this in perspective our defense budget, including Iraq and Afghanistan is only $685 billion.
You can get this info from here: General Services Administration, Catalog of Federal Domestic Assistance, https://www.cfda.gov/
And here: http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/income_expenditures_poverty_wealth.html
Welfare spending increased under G.W. Bush and has since exploded under Barrack Hussein. Since 2009 federal welfare spending has increased by 41%, more than $190 BILLION a year.
So, less than a 1% increase in poverty, yet we have increased spending by 41% and we still have more than 46 million Americans living in poverty. A 47 year long war and we’re losing it horribly.
But of course in the convoluted mind of Liberals/Progressives this is somehow sustainable.
Sadly, George, you will probably seriously consider becoming a “citizen of the alternate reality”.
Real Americans don’t!
So, who was the stupid one?
Try to keep up Spanky.
When the gridlock starts again this 113 session of the House just remember it is the leader of the House causing it all! Again! Fools! At least there are now 11 less teabuggers in Congress this session and I sure hope that number will be down to ZERO after the next election.
A drunken crybaby...republican leadership. If this were not straining the bounds of pathos, it would be funny.
face it most everything on this blog is pro-dems. The same people including me keep posting the same stuff and nothing ever changes. You all yep about wanting something different. You all keep thinking its the other party. Its not them its you!!! None of you have a clue what you really want. Yea you say you do but you are even more confused than the person you sent to Washington.
Bottom line is we do need more revenue but we also need big spending cuts and total tax reform. So far all I am seeing is revenue and Obama now has to put up or shut up. The next few months will determine if he is a total fraud and idiot or a genuis. Actions always speak louder than words. I am through listening to hollow words from both parties. It is time for everyobne to grow a spine and put the country first. Looking at the comments on here tells me that growing a spine is out of the question and we are most likely going by way of greece. To those that say we are the most powerful country in the world appearantly has not been paying attention.
I have no idea if anyone is going to read through all of the above comments to get to this one, but I have only one word to say:
WHY?
Ooh, good one. Must have taken all of 5 secs for your grade school friends to come up with that. How can you stand to be so witty?
With opponents like you it's pretty easy. I'm surprised you had to ask.
DMorgan:
You are a foul-mouthed hater of the first order. Its a good thing your parents let you live in the basement where nobody can see nor hear you. Your attacks on other people's religion show what a trashy, low class creep you really are.
Oh, you slay me. I can't possibly compete with such a towering intellect. How fortunate you don't let things like perspective get in the way of your biases. I'm cursed to look at both sides of the issue.
The real curse is that you are wrong on both sides of the issue. You're just lucky there aren't three sides to this issue or you'd really be confused.
Kevin O,
That is because as a former republican who voted for Nixon, Goldwater and Reagan I'm disgusted with the Party I used to belong to, "the party now of "Do Nothing and NO!" I'm now a Democrat and so glad I have nothing to do with these right wingers that have taken over my former home! I've said it before, "The three republicans I voted for would, by today's party standards, be called liberals! The republican party looks more and more, daily, like the National Socialists of Germany in the 30's and 40's.
AG,
God has nothing to do with politics, but according to many in your own party he does have something to do with RAPE? How sick can one political party become? I guess we can see right now! I just hope it doesn't get any worse?
And Mr. Boehner's title has been expanded upon his re-election to read:
"The Right Honourable John Boehner, Speaker of the House, and Herder of Cats Par Excellence."
Yes, the Republicans finally win something!
but America loses. Our congress is already the laughing stock of the world.
Our president (and his staff/cabinet) was first then supreme court now congress. Senate is a clear known to be a joke with Harry at the Helm. We need to get rid of them all.
GOP house is full of nuts, anyone for a cup of tea !
If you call being one of the most hated politicians, justified or not, winning something, then congratulations I guess.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and
expecting different results." ~ Albert Einstein, (attributed)
If the Republican and Democratic herds of partisan sheep in the US Congress elect the very same 'leadership' for the 113th Congress that they put in-place for the 112th Congress, then expecting different results over the next two years is nonsensical.
Boehner, Pelosi, Cantor, Hoyer, Reid, McConnell ALL needed to be retired from any leadership responsibilities. They failed. And worse than their failure, they didn't even try to succeed.
Failure should not be rewarded. This whole pathetic spectacle is more absurd than a 'Monty Python's Flying Circus' sketch.
senators and representatives should have the same term limits as the president.
alan_static
A loser! They must be so proud!
I am not going to hold one incorrect panic vote against them. With more Tea Party members in there we won't have to bend over to Harry and Nancy causing fiscal cliff problems anymore.
This is bad, but not as bad as the millions of morons who re-elected our comrade and chief. You guys are the real tragedy in this country.
We need a staunch conservative stronghold. I don't care if it is a republican or a democrat, just no more spending. We need Clinton era taxes and Clinton era spending.
Although I know you silly liberals hate numbers, facts, and the like, I'm going to post this anyway:
Fiscal Cliff Lessons:
Lesson #1:
Now, let’s remove 8 zeros, and pretend it’s a household budget:
Got it?
Lesson #2:
Here’s another way to look at the Debt Ceiling:
Let’s say you’ve come home from work and find there has been a sewer backup in your neighborhood, and your home has sewage all the way up to your ceilings. What do you think you should do? Raise the ceilings, or remove the @!$%#?
NPCDan
I guess that's one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is to expect our leadership who handles the lions share of spending (Congress) to actually sit down and work together to do a real budget. The President provides a wishlist, similar to what your child would provide at Christmas. It's up to the adults in the room to sit down and hammer it out and get it working.
Passing spending bills and agreeing to fund things then when the bill comes do saying "Oh forget that, I'm not paying for this junk!" is not a responsible method. Or is someone suggesting it's logical that we agree to fund all of these things then when it's time to pay the bill just say "thank you but no-- let's shut it down"?
It absolutely means we have to stop the DOA bills. The idea that Republicans can suggest a budget and it goes nowhere because Reid doesn't want to hear it, and that the Senate can agree on something and send it to the House and Boehner can elect to ignore it has to stop.
My condolences, Speaker Boehner on being re-crowned head rat on the Titanic.
If the Democrats would have run someone else other than Pelosi, I wonder if the outcome would have been the same. But I think they did the smart thing by letting this play out predictably.
TO: alan_static who wrote:
How do you consider that a "win" for Republicans when, in Boehner's acceptance speech" he promised to ignore folks such as yourself, in favor of promising to provide the American People with "the standard of leadership demanded not by our constituents but by the times".
Seems like Boehner was talking to us, and not to you.
At least Boehner told Harry (horse's @ss) Reid to go F yourself. Stupid little troll.
NPCDan - You are rerunning your posts. We were not impressed the last time we saw it.
Stunning display of mass hysteria. The man suffers from a 10% approval rate by the electorate, and enjoys a 95% approval rate from his party. There is a monumental disconnect in there somewhere - I'd suggest it lies between the party and the electorate.
Yeah. And, every time they do, the rest of us lose BIG TIME.
The 8 Calamitous Years of DUMBYA BUSH is the perfect example of EVERYONE LOSES when a REPUBLICAN WINS.
LookingForwardtotheFuture
Anybody that uses the term "slut pills" is just too ignorant to be believed. Show us some proof of your medicare going up so much. Me thinks you're just an ignorant troll.
Slut pills. That must be bagger speak for "look at me, I'm stupid."
Asignofthetimes,
Maybe you didn't notice, but in November 11 fewer teabuggers were voted into to office than were re-elected. finally, maybe Americans are not as ignorant as the House makes them appear?
Crystal,
Yes, at least we now know the low quality of this evil man Bonehead Boehner with no class and a smut mouth. It also tells you a lot about the party he heads! Scum bags!
SharJ:
Whats with this "we" stuff? You don't speak for all the posters hear any more than I do !
EGO MUCH?
@"sharj", that is the first time I've posted that particular revelation on here, but as sure as the sun rises, you must be a silly liberal, and obviously correct. Lol. Nice try though, and thanks "ferndoc"! All I was attempting to do is to show, in laymans terms as that the majority of us normal people have no concept of a billion, much less a trillion, what our "esteemed" leaders are doing to us, and this great Nation. Oh, and "sharj", not very impressed by your post either. You added absolutely nothing to the discussion, and showed yourself to be a closed minded dimwit. Good job!
What a waste. Should have elected Paul Ryan instead of this crying fool.
Should have elected Ron Paul to house speaker.
All but a few are gutless to vote against the status quo.......They must protect their interest instead of those of the American people. It is sickening...... Cowards bowing to their master.
Paul Ryan? Okay, now that is just the funniest thing I think I will have heard all day. The only thing that might match that is the fact that Allen West, the man Florida finally fired, actually got two votes. That shows you just how pathetic the Republican Party is.
alan -- ron paul has retired and was therefore not available to be elected.
billybob - ron paul COULD have been elected. You don't have to be a member of Congress to be Speaker of the House. Scary but true!
The Constitution does not require that the speaker be an elected Member of Congress
billybob, Ron Paul could have been elected as House Speaker. One does not have to be in the House to be elected as Speaker. It has never happened, but there are no rules saying that it cannot. Colin Powell, Allen West and a couple of others who are not members did receive votes to be Speaker.
Oh, Jiminey Christmas, the fool is already shedding tears! OMG.
They should have elected him anyway.
thanks for the clarification regarding the speaker.
Paul Ryan is a Senator.
billybob,,, you learn something new everyday.
oh dear god what an idiot eddie munster head of the house ??? You need some oxygen and quit watching faux news !!!!
Jrae, Paul Ryan is a Representative from Wisconsin. Not a Senator.
Wrong, jrae. Paul Ryan is a Congressman of Wisconsin. Remember, the loser who ran with the other loser on the presidential ticket this last election? Try and keep up.
billybob: You're welcome! Anything to try and educate a Republican!
A good decision to keep Boehner who is much more moderate than some of the alternatives. He has been dealt a tough hand. He has had to deal with the senile Harry Reid, a financially oblivious idealogue narcissist president and a few boneheads within his own party (the dems have plenty of those too). On a separate note Nancy Pelosi (during the swearing in of Boehner) used more words to say absolutely nothing than even Obama could. This woman is not "all there", guess its the fog.
I think Paul Ryan would have made a very good Speaker. And he's got plenty of knowledge about budgeting also. What a waste, however, there's a POS in the white house who doesn't know what he's doing either, and he was re-elected.
Alaskagirl, how can you comment about the way the Republicans should have voted if your not a Republican or a Conservative? You aren't able to understand the calamity the country is in when you are misguided by your leader.
I'm quite certain that "alaskachild" doesn't understand a gambit if ideas. Politics not withstanding...
You mean the same Paul ryan who couldn't even carry his own state in the election? He is a kid who doesn't know how to negotiate or get votes - that he has made plain.
The "calamity"? Oh, jeez, go do some friggin' research about where this country is and is going. Things are looking up and moving forward and unless the Republicans @!$%# it up during the debt ceiling cliff, we will continue to do better. And, no, not misguided. I pay very close attention to where this country is going on a daily basis. May I suggest you try it, too, instead of just listening to what you are told are the facts? Think about it. The Republican party is pretty pissed off that the economy is turning around, unemployment number is going down, people are getting hired, home sales are up, home prices are up, construction is up. The $1,000. question is this: Why are they pissed?
I guess I find it disturbing passing on such a huge debt to the future generations. I also find it disturbing that our kids rank so low in math and science. Even if engineering and high tech jobs are created who will qualify for these jobs? We already import workers for these jobs from places like India. Am I the only one that thinks it's sad that countries like India who abuse their women and places like China are outdoing us in these areas of education. I think we better start paying close attention to this detail too. As far as everybody bashing republicans, does everybody honestly think that the democrats are any differnet? www.nationalmathandscience.org/solutions/.../staying-competitive
AlaskaGirl... they're pissed because they're not responsible for ANY of it and can't take the credit. Plain and simple. They're pissed because they are a bunch of obstructionist fools who don't give a rat's ass about "the people" and only care about the 1% and their corporate puppetmasters. They're pissed because ASTUTE Americans know who the REAL leaders in this country are , the people who truly care about their needs and concerns... and that would be the DEMOCRATS/LIBERALS. The REICHWING plan to destroy the country is being foiled at every turn.... think of the GOP as Snydley Whiplash and the DNC as Dudley DoRight and the American public as Nell.
Louie Gohmert voted to elect Allen West as Speaker. ---"Louie, I love you too." John Boehner
Nell! LOL Totally on point, gemini.
Jrae,
Paul Ryan is a worthless congressman from Janesville , Wisconsin and he is an embarrassment now and forever to our community!
Alaska Girl:
And you just showed how pathetic you are by keeping the hatred going !
I guess it is better than Mitch McConnell.
Yuck, I am going to go throw up now thinking about the future of this country. Get ready for the next phase of getting nothing done. Boner (misspelling intentional) is nothing but an obstructionist who has loyalty for only his party, not the USA.
Yeah the stupid leading the blind and they keep chanting NO-NO-NO-NO
Yep lets follow the way of the Obama koolaid. My Medicare taxes went up 65%, just checked my pay stub. Taking food from my kid to pay for your slut pills.
Sorry Tard, but McConnell is a Senator and currently is minority leader.
These idiots don't know the difference between a Senator and a Congressman.
Redo the math, medicare taxes did not go up 65%,
LookingForwardtotheFuture - you better talk to payroll because someone is stealing from you. Mine went up nil, zilch, nada. And the sl*t here would be anyone like you who uses such a word to describe your kids!
Seeking Sanity: Have to agree with you...my Medicare tax actually decreased by about $ .30!!!
LookingForwardtotheFuture Medicare was started by Democrats and the Republicans have been trying to get rid of it since the beginning. If you don't like what the Democrats gave you get off of it and take the other Republicans with you and leave it for us Democrats
Yeah, well my medicare supplemental insurance increased by $38 per month.
SeekingSanity, don't even bother replying to LookingForwardtotheFuture. His obviously a troll, or an idiot, or both. Anyone who makes such ridiculous claims as his Medicare went up 65% and anyone that uses birth control is a slut should never be taken seriously.
Supplement Insurance. As in, Not a government program.
jrae, if you're taking about your Medicare Advantage insurance that is private insurance. Blame your insurance company
Tax payers will pay .9% on anything they make over 250,000 so LookingForwardtotheFuture you must make a lot of money that they picked on you only and raised your tax to 65%
missamy
You are absolutely right about Bonehead being an obstructionist. I was honestly a little shocked that he admitted ignoring the demands of his constituents. From the article, "if you've come here to carry the standard of leadership demanded not by our constituents but by the times, then you've come to the right place. "
Fasttime I was just going to post the same thing. LookingForwardtotheFuture, is one of those money-grubbing wealthy repubs who can't stand seeing the underpriviledged helped in any way. As my husband and I are both on Soc. Sec., we are obviously the scum of the earth in his eyes.
I think he really cares about this country. There really IS too much debt, it's just that the Reps won't pass any pain to the corporations and wealthy that created this problem.
ANY company making over a billion$ profit is ripping off SOMEBODY.
rightwingscrewball - LOL - what an ignorant and pompass post. I can guarantee I make much more than most Republicans and I'm fortunate to be in that position. And, my medicare withholdings DID NOT go up. No one subsidizes my income - I make it all myself.
When you are as ignorant as you are you really shouldn't post about dumb b*tches since you clearly respresnt the dumbest of all b*stards!
You are a true loser but nothing we don't expect of a Republican! Now go play in mommy's basement some more. The rest of us have jobs and don't get handouts like you!
You would be laughable if you weren't such a sad little man!
The corporations and the wealthy did not create this problem. Our Congressmen and Senators and Presidents have created this problem!
A company that makes a $Billion is making money for its investors, to do otherwise could be construed as illegal - depending on the company's bylaws. A publically traded company has to follow certain rules. To not take advantage of loopholes is just stupid! The loopholes should not be there.
I too am employed and the amount I co-pay is going up this year. Our finance department has told us all. My wife's doctor at the clinic told us last month to have her operation in 2012 because the amount we will pay is going up in 2013.
I thought it was free health insurance not more expensive national insurance.
Like Nancy Pelosi said, "We will have to vote the bill in so we can find out what is in it".
jw -- the pork in the cliff bill was all put in at obama's direction including the tax breaks for companies like ge and citi. both make more that a billion in profit and both supported obama -- is this just his way of saying thanks?
the movie industry also got a big extension of a tax loophole. celebrity support of obama paid off handsomely.
for anyone to believe that only republicans do things to favor business is just being naive.
The idea is for a liberal minded person to follow those that lead them. They are lead because they will never stop and say why? They will always go with the liberal crowd.
I this case, they never read the bill, or they believe all the extra pork needs to be given to its recipients therefore they want to increase spending followed by large taxation and are hypocrites.
Hey, billybob, you forgot to mention a Republicans second favorite thing(after the gun nuts NRA), NASCAR. Yes, they got a nice chunk of the pie as well. So typical of you people to leave out things like that. Try and keep it real.
Everyone - please note that "rightwingscrewball" is the kind of trash that Boehner panders to. Until the Republicans reject the hateful lies of the teabaggers, they will lose.
Keep posting, "rightwing...". The more America sees your voice as the "tea" party, the further we will drift from your evil, fascist puppeteers.
Refreshing to see Ted Yoho (FL) .......NOT vote for either the dinosaur or the wicked witch of the east. Although I must say ....I prefer the Dino to the cackling hen any day.....
IF you are talking about Pelosi, it would be Wicked Witch of the West =P
@state .....she was born in Baltimore MD......were you "unaware"
She represents California. It doesn't matter where she was born. So no, I'm not unaware.
as a democrat, nothing could make me happier than this news! thanks republicans!
ps, comments welcome! (i dont read them, as i couldnt possibly care less. but post, post, post ladies!)
How about ding dong the witch is dead? How's that for a comment? Or what about I love the smell of napalm in the morning?
If this vote doesn't answer all the questions one has about the tea party, then nothing will. I agree with Ian. I believe this will be the total undoing of said tea party and backers. I wonder what Grover Norquist will do now? He has so many puppet strings, I can't imagine how he keeps them all straight.
Cripe!!! We have to look at his sniffling mug for another 2 years??? Maybe he will answer the media after a press conference instead of just walking off snubbing the press this time ya think??? NOT!!!
Better than looking at Pelosi's ugly face.
I would much prefer to see a man who can express his emotions...at least Boehner's emotions appear to spontaneously happen, unlike someone else I could mention who appeared to stage his emotions at times he deemed appropriate.
Boner is a Big cry baby and Ass kisser. Did you see how he sucked up to Obama on TV? Bumps Obama's elbow and shakes his hand. What an Ass kisser, or Brown noser.
You must mean the wiping of the fake tear during a press conference a couple of weeks ago....
I believe we are likely thinking of the same one...not a DROP of a tear...posturing, as usual.
Pelosi is too busy looking for dalmation puppies to complete her coat to be speaker.
tim and beveryveryafraid - I didn't see a press conference with Boehner supposedly crying lately - although that is coming I'm sure.
I DID see our truly emotional President after the Sandy Hook shootings. Anyone who believes he was anything but sincere is clearly just a damned liar - nothing more. And, it shows how low and pathetic someone would go to belittle a great man!
Why should he talk to the press? They (the press) can't report anything correctly or unbiased anyway. They'd probably spin it to the point that nothing would be what he said, whether he said it or not.
Patricia - not every news venue is a biased, nazi mouth-piece like Fox news. You should broaden your little teabagging horizons.
I guess for Democrats things seem to be getting better and better all the time.
of course.
Boo Hoo's BACK!
Damn, just when I thought he was all washed up. After all the pant-pissin he did over the last couple of days. I didn't see any video of the vote, did he tear up with happiness?
I guess I'm gonna have to start calling him "Bulletproof" Boehner now.
Well I guess if Boehner is bulletproof can he keep it up.
lets call him "Teflon BON" just like the (GOP)mafia Thieves !!
Same gridlock, slightly different Congress. Nothing changed.
and nothing will ...
Except my taxes went up today, thanks to all those pushing for tax increases on the rich. P.S. i am by no means rich, lucky me I guess.
Gridlock is the best we can hope for it pevents both partys from pushing through their agenda. I prefer that they accomplish nothing it's better for America. What was the last thing they could all agree on? It was to to circunvent the US constitution and continue eavesdropping on citizens.
What a great decision. Let America have another term that delays and warps all legislation for the good of the few.
Tyler Felton-
Expanding on #13, the theme music could be "Let's Do the Time Warp Again." Tim Curry could do an amazing rendition of Boehner.
It's just a jump to the left
And a step to the right
Put your hands on your hips
And pull your knees in tight
pelvic thrust.....
It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native crimincal class except Congress.
MSNBC minimizes yet again. What's a handful of dissenters of the Ca. Commie?
Boehner is a hard-core conservative-Republican, but that shouldn't be confused for being an extremist. The Tea Party faction of the GOP are extremists.
Boehner's problem is that he supported the more traditional-Republicans, in some cases even the moderate-Republicans in many primaries that were eventually won by the Tea Party candidates.Those TP representatives now have a bone to pick with him.
Adding to Boehner's problem are the easily shepherded sheep that still think the TP was a grass-roots movement by the people, when it now has been exposed to be a carefully orchestrated plan by the Koch brothers - currently the 3rd and 4th richest Americans - and the primary financial-backers of the TP candidates.
In a way, the Koch brothers' plan sort of backfired. What was suppose to bring down President Obama, has in fact divided the GOP.
In the end, it's the working-class stiff that will pay dearly for it should the TP agenda carry on.
Where do you get your conspiracy theories from? The Tea party is a grass roots movement of people fed up with how much our government spends.
Whereas the Liberal never saw a program he didn't like, the Tea Party guy never saw a program he liked.
Just a different perspective is all.
This is the biggest lie I've seen posted here today. First of all, there is no "tea" party. If you wish to call yourself a "party" in American politics, then collect your brain cells and develop one. Stop sucking off what was once a respectable party like the filthy leaches that you are.
The teabaggers are nothing more than the same fascist evangelicals that have been trying to usurp the United States government for decades. If the teabagger movement was truly about fiscal responsibility, the movement would have come into being long before President Obama ever took office. The teabaggers are nothing more than brainwashed minions who will lie, cheat and steal to see that the United States becomes a fascist theocracy.
We have seen you for what you are, "skeptical", so you can stop lying and beg forgiveness from your god (the one that dwells in fire and drools over filthy liars). Boehner is simply another historical example of what happens when you sell your soul to the antichrist for a title and a never ending bottle of scotch.
In British ritual, a seemingly unwilling Speaker is dragged to his/her seat in Parliament. We have just seen the GOP/T seemingly reluctantly drag John Boehner back to his seat. The old joke was that a contest's first prize was a week in Cleveland and second prize was two weeks in Cleveland. The newer and equally unfunny joke is two terms of John.
Its time for the people of this country to insist and vote on term limits and demand and vote on capping campaign finance. This is the only way we will be able to get our country back where it belongs!!!
Where have you been the past 17+ months? Why have you not joined the Popular Amendment Movement that formed in late July 2010 and posted their amendments at www.faircampaignreform.us in August 2010? Get involved today and MAYBE, just maybe, you can accomplish your wishes/dreams in time for 2014, or at least before 2016. Here is the text of my repeated Newsvine posts last year on the matter:
There is only one way to end the "money buying elections" issue and I've been trying to get everyone of you involved for over two years. If you haven't gone to www.faircampaignreform.us yet and gotten involved in the Popular Amendment Movement, why not? This is the ONLY way that the American citizens can ever take back the power of our electoral system. Congress will never do anything that will get past the current activist conservative SCOTUS to correct the problem. It is time to take the implied method that our founding fathers gave us, per James Wilson: http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html
Popular Amendment
One other way of amendment is also not mentioned in the Constitution, and, because it has never been used, is lost on many students of the Constitution. Framer James Wilson, however, endorsed popular amendment, and the topic is examined at some length in Akhil Reed Amar's book, The Constitution: A Biography.
The notion of popular amendment comes from the conceptual framework of the Constitution. Its power derives from the people; it was adopted by the people; it functions at the behest of and for the benefit of the people. Given all this, if the people, as a whole, somehow demanded a change to the Constitution, should not the people be allowed to make such a change? As Wilson noted in 1787, "... the people may change the constitutions whenever and however they please. This is a right of which no positive institution can ever deprive them."
It makes sense - if the people demand a change, it should be made. The change may not be the will of the Congress, nor of the states, so the two enumerated methods of amendment might not be practical, for they rely on these institutions. The real issue is not in the conceptual. It is a reality that if the people do not support the Constitution in its present form, it cannot survive. The real issue is in the practical. Since there is no process specified, what would the process be? There are no national elections today - even elections for the presidency are local. There is no precedent for a national referendum. It is easy to say that the Constitution can be changed by the people in any way the people wish. Actually making the change is another story altogether.
Suffice it to say, for now, that the notion of popular amendment makes perfect sense in the constitutional framework, even though the details of effecting popular amendment could be impossible to resolve.
It was upon this basis that I and a group of other Newsvine posters developed these two amendment proposals in July/august 2010 when we saw what Citizens United was leading to in the Congressional and state-wide races. I then paid to host the website for promoting the Popular Amendment Movement effort. Keeping the website running is my contribution to the cause, since I live in the US Virgin Islands where we have NO vote for president, NO representation in the Senate, and NO VOTE on the floor of the House (only a vote in whatever committee(s) our Delegate to Congress can be assigned to.) Yet our entire governance is determined by Congress through the Organic Act. We are basically second class citizens in the US territories. I lost my voice in government when I chose to move from OH to St. Croix in 1995 (for better weather.) PAM is a totally grassroots organization. We do not solicit any contributions and we have no formal organization. The website is the basic "organization." Download the petitions below from the site, sign them, circulate them among family, friends, neighbors, and co-workers. Email to everyone you know. Help form a local grassroots movement to collect the signatures and petitions, then work with other communities to form county/regional groups and a state-wide movement. Check with your Secretary of State to determine how many valid signatures would be required for YOUR state to call for the constitutional convention that would be required to pass these amendments. BE SURE TO MAKE COPIES OF EVERY PETITION AND HAVE THEM "DATE STAMPED" when you file the original petitions so that you have a record of what signatures were filed and when. That is your protection to make sure that your Secretary of State can't deny you your rights under the Constitution. OFA and all other grassroots groups should have been assisting in this effort for the past two years. It is not too late to get this done before the 2014/16 election cycle.
Petition for US Constitutional Amendment For Election Reform
We, the undersigned US citizens, duly registered voters in our respective states/territories, do hereby petition for our state to approve the following amendment to the United States Constitution by the method noted below.
Election Reform:
1. Abolish the Electoral College (Repeal Amendment 12)
2. ONE NATIONAL primary date to be held on the Tuesday eight (8) weeks prior to the General Election day for Congressional offices and for the President. Candidate petitions must be filed with the local/state elections boards 60 days prior to the Primary Election date. Federal election petitions shall be uniform in every state and shall include a “contract with the voters” that spells out clearly what that candidate stands for on all issues that they may have to address in elected office. They shall be held accountable in court for breach of that contract if elected and any/all terms are not met.
3. NO campaigning allowed for any elective federal office more than 60 days prior to the National Primary Date.
4. NO campaign contribution shall be donated to any candidate of more than $200 from an individual or $500 maximum from a family (spouses/children living in the same household.) No donations shall be made to a candidate more than sixty days prior to the primary date. No candidate shall contribute from their own funds more than 60% of the total donations from other private individuals.
5. NO campaign contribution from any PAC, corporation, union, non-profit organization, special interest group, etc. shall be allowed for any elected federal office.
6. NO third party campaigning (separate PAC ads, corporate ads, etc.) for/against any candidate shall be allowed at any time during or before the election season.
7. NO party conventions shall be held to select the presidential candidates. The selection must be done at the ballot box in the primary election.
8. The One Man/One Vote Supreme Court ruling shall be enforced by this Amendment, namely that NO federal candidate selection shall be by any means other than the ballot box on Primary/General Election Dates.
9. National Party Organizations shall NOT raise money for or donate to specific candidates of their party prior to the dates outlined above.
10. PAC’s shall NOT be granted tax-exempt status by the IRS, and any non-profit organization who uses their funding for political purposes shall lose their tax-exempt status.
11. All lobbyists shall be outlawed from influencing Congress at all times.
This amendment shall be approved ONLY by State Constitutional Conventions to be called within 90 days of this petition being submmitted to a state’s Secretary of State. A minimum of 25% of the registered voters in each state shall be required to further this petition to the respective Secretary of State.
Name Signature State Address
Petition for US Constitutional Amendment For Congressional Term Limits
We, the undersigned US citizens, duly registered voters in our respective states/territories, do hereby petition for our state to approve the following amendment to the United States Constitution by the method noted below.
Term Limits for Congress:
1. Representatives to Congress shall serve no more than two two-year terms in the House.
2. Senators shall be elected to no more than two six year terms in the Senate.
3. No elected official shall serve more than six terms in office in any combined elected offices (House/Senate/Presidency.)
This amendment shall be approved ONLY by State Constitutional Conventions to be called within 90 days of this petition being submmitted to a state’s Secretary of State. A minimum of 25% of the registered voters in each state shall be required to further this petition to the respective Secretary of State.
Name Signature State Address
I agree about reforming campaign finance, but be careful what you wish for with term limits. Can you imagine the pay-for-play a congressman would be open to when he knew he could not run again? That's just one example.
More dumbing down of Newsvine's "Get Smarter Here".
To get Billions of Unlimited Corporate Campaign Contributions to keep his 2008 Presidential Campaign Offices Nationwide open till 2012, President Obama's Buddy "Mr.Corporate America" Leveraged the US Supreme Court to Rule in favor of Unlimited Corporate Campaign Contributions before the Citizen's United Case made it's way thru the maze of the US Court System; as either Rule in Favor of Unlimited Corporate Campaign Contributions or Rule the 2008-2009 Elections Invalid for admitted Violations of US Law, the McCain Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act. For admitting Violations of the McCain Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act President Obama's Buddy "Mr. Corporate America" was slapped on the wrist with a fine of $200,000.
US Law, Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002.
http://www.fec.gov/pages/bcra/bcra_update.shtml
McCain Feingold Campaign Finance Reform Public Law 107-155 and HR 2356
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/finance/a/mccain_feingold.htm
By Reelecting President Obama you basically stated that you (Majority) agreed with his previous Violations of the McCain Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act, as against the Legality of the US Law, McCain Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act and H.R. 2356. Just like you agreed (Mandated) that you are ok with his President's Proposal to US Congress demanding the spending of $2.1 Trillion that was not budgeted for, AND that in another President Obama President's Proposal to US Congress for "Across the Board Budget Cuts" (Automatic Sequestration) of previously budgeted for Programs (like Medicare, etc.), Projects (like US Army Corps of Engineer Infrastructure Projects within the US, etc.), Agencies (like FEMA, Department of Education, Veteran's Affairs, etc.) including chopping the Entitlements and Benefits for the "47%" (actual 49%) to pay for this demanded $2.1 Trillion; that is why the "Fiscal Cliff" occurred now and not previously nor later.
Translation for the simple minded: The Waitress arrived with the Bill of $2.1 Trillion for the meal that President Obama ate, and now he is looking for everyone else to pay.
Before all of you start the typical Demoncrap Demonizing, name calling, deflection of blame game, diversionary tactics (from the issues), just go do the Research. As by doing your own research you will not call yourselves liars. Research who President Obama's Buddy "Mr.Corporate America" is, and what he has done up till now. Research what the $2.1 Trillion President Obama demanded be spent, was actually spent on, and related the Titles (and dates, required to create a Causative Timeline) of President Obama's Demands (President's Proposals) to US Congress.
anti-trust proponent,
You really need to think things though (based on Real World) instead of:
http://money.msn.com/investing/11-things-wrong-with-congress
BASIC FACTS:
Sorry, Politicians' Dance Cards Are Full
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/21/ftn/main6228685.shtml?tag=cbsnewsTwoColUpperPromoArea
2012 election costs could reach record $5.8 billion
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/08/2012-election-total-spending-costliest-obama-romney-/1
The Reality, the majority of those Campaign Funds did NOT come from the Population. see post#18.3 President Obama's Buddy, "Mr. Corporate America" (when and if you find out who "Mr.Corporate America" is, go look at everything "Mr.Corporate America" has been involved with and the results).
As far as the Electoral College:
An education about the Electoral College
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50133559n&tag=showDoorFlexGridLeft;flexGridModule
Actual History (Congressional Record Founding Father's Arguments): The Rich Elitist* Founding Fathers believed, "The average Citizen is too ignorant to determine the Highest Offices of the Land, President and Vice President".
*back then to even get an Education you had to be a Rich Business Owner or a Plantation Owner (with Slaves and or Indentured Servants).
The excuse given to the citizens was to Represent those Colonies with small populations (think about how ignorant that excuse actually is).
While establishing the Constitutional Republic of America* (not a Democracy):
Founding Fathers, "Democracy is Mob Rule". This is exactly what they later witnessed during the French Revolution aka the French Reign of Terror. The killing off of the French Monarchy that ordered the French Support of the American Revolution against their enemy the British Monarchy.
*As the Rich Elitists as the Founding Fathers, most had read Plato's The Republic as part of their formal Education. Their primary reason for even starting the "American Revolution" was not wanting to "Pay Their Fair Share" of British "Tax the Rich" of British Stamp Act Taxes, to pay for the expansion of the British Colonies by the British Military Fighting the French Colonies of the Americas, pay for the British Military Protection of the Colonies, pay for the other less profitable British Colonies.
During the 1950s McCarthyism; hatred of Socialists as backlash of the National Socialists Party of Germany, NAZI and Stalin's CCCP (USSR) and Communists (Chinese aggressions in Asia), the Demoncraptic Party welcomed the Socialists and Communists with open arms to defeat the popular Repugnants like President Eisenhower. Before this the Demoncraps were more Conservative as the Party founded by the Demoncraptic States of the Confederated States of America.
Most people during those times, saw the adverse effects of Demoncraptic Republics with the many examples of the WARSAW Pact Nations of the USSR. example: The Demoncraptic Republic of Germany (aka East Germany, Demoncraptic Deutsche Republic as DDR.), as the apathy of the DDR citizens of having their success taken away and given as "Level the Playing Field" to those that repeatedly made failed individual choices. After a while everyone did just enough work to get by, as not to rock the boat, then get called "Anti Party" (Treason) to be picked up by the Demoncraptic Deutsche Party Stasi (Secret Police) and Disappeared.
I have my views after each reform.
Election Reform:
1. Abolish the Electoral College (Repeal Amendment 12)
Great if the voter is an informed voter.
2. ONE NATIONAL primary date to be held on the Tuesday eight (8) weeks prior to the General Election day for Congressional offices and for the President. Candidate petitions must be filed with the local/state elections boards 60 days prior to the Primary Election date. Federal election petitions shall be uniform in every state and shall include a “contract with the voters” that spells out clearly what that candidate stands for on all issues that they may have to address in elected office. They shall be held accountable in court for breach of that contract if elected and any/all terms are not met.
That makes it pretty hard for any presidental canidate to run. Second, every president promises so much (too much infact). The problem is everyone has a stance (well take Obama, he was for it, then he was against gay marriage, then for it again. Which statement would be accountible to him? Then you have Congress that makes the Laws, A president doen't have the power to make or takeaway laws, he can only do as Obama has done and choose not to inforce laws he does not like.
3. NO campaigning allowed for any elective federal office more than 60 days prior to the National Primary Date.
Big problem here is The Press should have time to investigate canidates, (at least they should) two months is not enough time.
4. NO campaign contribution shall be donated to any candidate of more than $200 from an individual or $500 maximum from a family (spouses/children living in the same household.) No donations shall be made to a candidate more than sixty days prior to the primary date. No candidate shall contribute from their own funds more than 60% of the total donations from other private individuals.
You would be penalizing large familes, (especially now, with so many kids living with their parients). So any family larger then 2.5 voters (your numbers not mine) would be discriminated against. Why not have is simply as each quilified voter is allowed to donate $200 to his choice of each candate/s. By allowing the candate to contribute his own money you stacked the pot in favor of richer candates
5. NO campaign contribution from any PAC, corporation, union, non-profit organization, special interest group, etc. shall be allowed for any elected federal office.
Here I can agree.
6. NO third party campaigning (separate PAC ads, corporate ads, etc.) for/against any candidate shall be allowed at any time during or before the election season.
7. NO party conventions shall be held to select the presidential candidates. The selection must be done at the ballot box in the primary election.
The problem here is no one person will get a majority of votes. You run the risk of possible thousands running most getting a handful of votes. It will be like other countries that you have to form with other groups to get things done. You would have to keep having runoffs to narrow the field. Talk about increasing the cost of elections, You could possibly need 50 to 400 runoff elections.
8. The One Man/One Vote Supreme Court ruling shall be enforced by this Amendment, namely that NO federal candidate selection shall be by any means other than the ballot box on Primary/General Election Dates.
9. National Party Organizations shall NOT raise money for or donate to specific candidates of their party prior to the dates outlined above.
10. PAC’s shall NOT be granted tax-exempt status by the IRS, and any non-profit organization who uses their funding for political purposes shall lose their tax-exempt status.
11. All lobbyists shall be outlawed from influencing Congress at all times.
Personally I like our current system, it has worked well in most cases, and gives time for the public to see, and the press to investigate the candates. I just wish the current system allowed penaltys for fraudulant ads, by fineing the false ads like 50 million for each add placed over the air or in print (that goes for tweets and emails, and the rest of the electronic communications. If the ad continues to run fine them 50 million for each day it is run. That would dry up really quick. We just need to get the lies and scare tatics out of the current system. Your plan puts a lot of limitations on voters,and thier rights, Would donating time be part of the $200? if so at what wage would you go by to figure out the benifit? I agree I do not like third parties PACs and Union in the system, especially if the money is not freely given by the members. Then you have campains driving voters to polling places, this is unfair to all that don't get rides. Will this be outlawed too? The founders did a pretty good job of making our current system, The only problem is when I see Liberial courts changing the laws to suit policys they want.
Same @!$%#, different day. The rest of the country has to learn from our mistakes.....no so with republicans it seems!
A sad day indeed.
We are truly a joke to the whole world a boner!
We can find politicians who are a joke on both sides of the aisle. It is the nature of politics.
Given the choice of him or Pelosi, it was a no brainer. They made the better choice. The joke on us is we reelected one of the main sources of our problems again. Talk about fools. The rest of the world is turning away from Liberial agenda, because they have seen that it doesn't work. We were once the role model, now we have to look to others to help us out. Of course the minute that China, Germany and England stop paying for our debt, but that is the way it is when you look to Greece and Spain for guidence.
I would love to see Bill O'Rielly elected as Speaker.
Take that back right now ! Gimmie break .....Why not Beck or Hannity ....Doesn't anyone have a mind of their own anymore. Are there no more conservatives who can draw conclusions without the help of the regurgitation that comes from a few loud mouth media puppet heads.
The only way that will ever be stopped is a US Constitutional Amendment that would establish a redistricting commission every ten years following the new census. It would have to be a non-partisan statewide election for each state to select their commission members who would then have three months to determine all new boundaries based on the one man/one vote proper city/county demarcations, etc. No more zigzagging lines that make no sense, etc. In conjunction with that, citizens would need to be active in getting the two PAM amendments posted above passed.
Oops, sorry, this was supposed to be in response to #23 & 23.1, not #22.
P Valdes I would ask the same question of libs and the likes of Maddow and her cohorts. Most people have become sheep and too lazy to research on their own. Worse yet they take for gospel everything these pundits spout.
Ksw@ Its what is wrong with America ......It doesn't matter which side it comes from. It is damaging.
But even they would do a better job then Obama has. They would not use the Constitution for wiping thier butts as Obama has. I do agree most people don't know how this country is supposed to work. I think there should be a test every voter should take before voting. Kind of like the new immigrents have to take (they know more about our government then the citizens do). Once you have passed the test to show you have some knowlege of the government you can vote. A course in basic economics wouldn't hurt either.
The country is divided and districts are gerrymandered to protect jobs. I don't care much for him but in his defense it doesn't much matter who it is.
That is true, the gerrymandering needs to stop. How do we stop it though?
We've repeated the insanity of the worst combination of leadership in the House and at President we could possibly think of.
Odd that a computational monster like you would forget Bushie. With bushie, all become worst because, as a member of his administration said, "we make our own reality."
For those outside the beltway, that means: "we lie all the time."
and Boehners first words after re-election...hey Harry...F You!!! LOL!!!!
He will get two more years to bury the crippled Republiclown party. Look at the last two years. If we can put blame on Congress (most do) for the lack of performance, then we know that this Speaker, is not effective in getting policy. He does not have full support of the majority, and although they DID re-elect him as Speaker, it was due to the fact that "support for Boehner was “unanimous,” and no other GOP lawmaker publicly nominated an alternative candidate."
Its pretty easy to win, when unopposed. Nobody in their right mind wanted to try and lead a totally dysfunctional and splintered GOP.
I actually kind of like Boo Hoo, (not his pollitics so much) but I think he's a fool to keep the seat. He should have told em all to go to hell. why be a whippin boy for two more years of bad government.
Chubette, Do you really think a Senator, Harry Reid (a dope in everybodys book) really cares about a Congressmans oppinion of him?
Representative Pelosi.. maybe she cares, but a State Senator dosen't usually care less about a Congressman.
Boehner has no clout, not in the Senate. Lets remember, GOP Senate voted the bill (Republicans voted 40 - 5, in favor) Boo Hoo's got NO JUICE in the Senate, and dosen't look like he has much in his House either.
He will have a hard time getting concensus on anything, which is bad for business, and bad for the American people.
Shawn,
Much like Obama; nothing done except raise taxes and spend more.
Or problem is the Senate. They have done very little with all the bills that the House passed for the past 2 years. At least the Republicans made a better choice then the Democrates in the Senate (as well as the president. At least the house came close to forming a fiscal cliff bill, the Harry Reid Senate couldn't even start to form one, the VP had to step in and save Harry's butt. Not to menion that the House is more then 3 the Senate's number. Liberials just don't like anyone tring to tell them they spend too much money. All I have to do is look at the MSN headlines when they bash him, he did the right thing for the american people. To bad Harry and Obama don't feel the same way.
Boehner is not the problem with the GOP congress. He did compromise and go against the far right on the fiscal bill. It is people like Cantor will destory the GOP if they are not brought to at least some kind of control by their own party. Their hard line no compromise just say no way of solving problems appeals to only a few Americans and less than a majority even in the GOP and can not or will not win a national election.
I could listen to Nancy Pelosi ALL DAY.... So classy and sophiscated and INTELLIGENT!!!!!
As soon as the Orange Man started to speak, I turned it off! There is NOTHING that clown could EVER say to make up for his derelection of duty to our Country on OUR dime!
Nancy Pelosi = "classy and sophisticared and INTELLEIGENT????!?!?!?!???!??!"
WOW. What drugs are YOU on?????
Ahh LOL!!! The Wicked Bitch of CA looses again, !!! she needs to be thrown out of congress as a Heretic and Traitor, now thats JUSTICE!!!!
Oscar Rules:
BmoreBabe must be on the same drugs Nancy Pelosi is on...she appears to always be so "valiumed" out of her mind!
@ Oscar and Star,
Sorry you two clowns wouldn't know class or sophistication and certainly not intelligence....
That is because you back the person who has a rating of like.....11 and with a Congress of like....9...
Speaks volumns of "you people"!
@ beveryveryafraid,
And you speak as if you know something about drugs.......
AND you are always so paranoid.... hehehehe
Bmore stupid,
You are confusing class with White Trash. You need to get put of the trailer park a more often. What you qualify as class doesn't even register for most "classy and sophisticated" people......
You know, as hard as it will be, I am willing to go down due to the ignorance of so many Americans for voting Obama. It will be priceless to see all of you sinking to the depths of hell because you were so blind. Yes...I will sink with you, not because I couldn't see things clearly, but because you couldn't.
BmoreBabe, I would agree. At least she could talk and give a speech with out crying.
@ Oscar and Star, you to are the one on drugs, or at least drinking the coolaid that the conservative entertainment media sell you.
Buzz,
I recognize white trash when I hear from you.........
@ be very(paranoid)..... Get off the Presidents' d!ck...stop hating....
Chris@SLC,
Oscar and Star are used to all that drinking and crying.... to them that is class.... hehehehe
BmoreBabe: How old are you...13..."hehehehe"???? There's nothing funny about this entire matter and the direction in which this country is going.
Other than Barbara Boxer, there is no less coherent woman in California politics than Pelosi. My theory is all those face lifts have created pressure and compressed her cranium. But it could also be she is just stupid.
Liberalism is a disease....
It's what happens one's brain convinces them that their current situation and misery is someone else's fault. The only cure is to take personable responsibility for one's situation and choose to do something about it. Unfortunately, Liberalism makes it easier to drink Obama's coolaid and wait for other people's maoney to fall in their lap.
Newsflash, the check isn't in the mail......
BmoreBabe @ #27.4: PLEASE tell me, what person is it that I, like, "back?"
@ Paranoid beveryveryafraid...
How old am I...13?
Why? Do like little girls? Freaken paranoid perv...