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ANALYSIS: Some are making a lot of the vote split between House Speaker John Boehner and Majority Leader Eric Cantor. But the reality is less Machiavellian politics and more long-term maneuvering.
What it showed more than anything isn’t some deep rift within the conference or that Boehner’s speakership is in jeopardy. It isn’t a coup against Boehner. It shows that Boehner sees the light at the end of the tunnel of his career and would prefer to be more of a pragmatist and deal maker – but his conference won’t allow him to be that. That pragmatic streak is in the minority of the House GOP.
Cantor and Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy, on the other hand, are going to be around for a while, and if they want to be leaders of the conference in the House, perhaps even speaker, and want to have any political clout, they have to stand with the influential conservative base.
Cantor has stood with Boehner through much of this fight and others in the past year, and that’s because he cannot alienate Boehner allies. Many establishment conservative will still be around – and be a significant voting bloc – when Boehner retires, whenever that will be.
The big campaign for speaker -- at some point -- could come between Cantor and Paul Ryan, who might -- or might not -- run for president in 2016. Ryan, by the way, voted yes last night, unlike Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), widely thought to be eyeing a 2016 bid.
The roll call… Boomark it! GOP primary opportunists will comb this list. It’s going to be their TARP to run on.
What now? Dates to watch…
TRIPLE JEOPARDY (H/T NBC’s Mike Viqueira for the headline and Essa Yip for the dates)
Late Feb/early March – Debt ceiling
March 1 - Sequester
March 27 – Budget resolution
(*Note to pithy catch-phrase writers, please refrain from using “March Madness” for the next fiscal showdown. New Year’s was already ruined with talks of rocky abysses, can we preserve what is a sacred time for some of us?)
'Debacle for the Republican Party'... Chuck Todd on TODAY:
“What’s coming in March with what they’ve done, and, by the way, they’ve done this to themselves now multiple times. I mean, this is the story, this 112th Congress does leave us today, and some would say finally leaves us, because this is the story of this Congress. Every major decision that they came up with, and it began with a threat of a government shut down just two months into this Congress. And then of course we had the debt ceiling showdown, then it culminated with this fiscal cliff and all we’ve done is created what’s coming in March, and Matt, what’s coming in March? Take all the fights we had separately and put them in one fight. And put them all expiring at the same time – debt ceiling, funding the entire federal government (that expires), and then this. …
“The relationship between House Speaker John Boehner and the White House is terrible. Let’s not pretend they can get anything done, and yet you still have to get something through the House. Perhaps this renewed relationship between the White House, Joe Biden, in particular, and Mitch McConnell is a way to get some things done, but it is going to dominate this thing, and one thing to look back here and to figure this out, Republicans have to figure out what they want. If you look back on it, Matt, this was a debacle for the Republican Party. I mean, yesterday we almost had the Republican leadership in the House almost completely undermine the Republican leadership in the Senate. It looked like they threatened to scuttle the whole thing, and they ended up helping Barack Obama raise taxes more than any Republican Party in a generation has helped anybody raise taxes, and they got nothing for it. … The Republican Party has to figure out what it wants to be, first, before they sit down at the negotiating table. And then they’ve got to figure out who’s going to do the negotiating for them. Is it Mitch McConnell? Is it John Boehner? Who runs the Republican Party? I think that’s unclear out of all of this. … Until the Republican Party figures is sort of unified in what it wants to do, it’s not going to be an effective negotiating force against the president.”
A tax hike or a tax cut? Which is it? Grover Norquist tweeted last night: “The Bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. Every R voting for Senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his/her pledge.”
Thought exercise though: How would it be a tax increase on Dec. 31 but a tax cut on Jan. 1, even if it was the same piece of legislation? That’s more of a question perhaps for Heritage, et al.
Simpson-Bowles see “missed opportunity”… Simpson and Bowles write in a statement from “Fix the Debt” that last night was a “missed opportunity.” Full statement:
“The deal approved today is truly a missed opportunity to do something big to reduce our long term fiscal problems, but it is a small step forward in our efforts to reduce the federal deficit. It follows on the $1 trillion reduction in spending that was done in last year’s Budget Control Act. While both steps advance the efforts to put our fiscal house in order, neither one nor the combination of the two come close to solving our Nation's debt and deficit problems. Our leaders must now have the courage to reform our tax code and entitlement programs such that we stabilize our debt and put it on a downward path as a percent of the economy. Washington missed this magic moment to do something big to reduce the deficit, reform our tax code, and fix our entitlement programs. We have all known for over a year that this fiscal cliff was coming. In fact Washington politicians set it up to force themselves to seriously deal with our Nation’s long term fiscal problems. Yet even after taking the Country to the brink of economic disaster, Washington still could not forge a common sense bipartisan consensus on a plan that stabilizes the debt.
“It is now more critical than ever that policymakers return to negotiations that will build on the terms of this agreement and the spending cuts in the Budget Control Act. These future negotiations will need to make the far more difficult reforms that bring spending further under control, make our entitlement programs sustainable and solvent, and reform our tax code to both promote growth and produce revenue. We take some encouragement from the statements by the President and leaders in Congress that they recognize more work needs to be done. In order to reach an agreement, it will be absolutely necessary for both sides to move beyond their comfort zone and reach a principled agreement on a comprehensive plan which puts the debt on a clear downward path relative to the economy.”
Gentlemen, language, please… Politico’s provocative lede: “House Speaker John Boehner couldn’t hold back when he spotted Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in the White House lobby last Friday. It was only a few days before the nation would go over the fiscal cliff, no bipartisan agreement was in sight, and Reid had just publicly accused Boehner of running a ‘dictatorship’ in the House and caring more about holding onto his gavel than striking a deal. ‘Go f— yourself,’ Boehner sniped as he pointed his finger at Reid, according to multiple sources present. Reid, a bit startled, replied: ‘What are you talking about?’ Boehner repeated: ‘Go f— yourself.’
“The harsh exchange just a few steps from the Oval Office — which Boehner later bragged about to fellow Republicans — was only one episode in nearly two months of high-stakes negotiations laced with distrust, miscommunication, false starts and yelling matches as Washington struggled to ward off $500 billion in tax hikes and spending cuts.”
CHASER: "I can't tell him to do that. That. He can't do that to himself. You're crazy. You're absolutely crazy. You're getting as bad as Biden." -- Clint Eastwood, Aug. 30, 2012, during RNC Convention speech.
Step back… For all the drama and ugliness of sausage making, step back and realize there were two votes on major legislation yesterday 20 hours apart.
Fly-by signing… The bill will be flown out to Hawaii for President Obama to sign.
Sandy funding… Notice, by the way, that New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut lawmakers were irate last night that, despite what they say were promises made by GOP leadership, Sandy funding wasn’t considered after the fiscal-cliff vote. Rep. Peter King, a Republican, is making the cable rounds today. NBC’s Frank Thorp has the details.
And what about guns? National Journal… National Journal notes that pro-gun Democrats could pave the way for new gun measures. From the story: Pennsylvania Sen. Bob "Casey’s introspection isn’t a unique tale among normally pro-gun Democrats. Across Capitol Hill, lawmakers ranging from Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia to Rep. John Yarmuth of Kentucky are acknowledging that last week’s tragedy has, at least for now, left them open to reconsidering measures they once staunchly opposed.”
Message will matter, says Rep. Mike Thompson (D-CA), an avid hunter and Vietnam vet: “Well, we can start by not calling it ‘gun control.’”
But sticking point: “Not all Democrats are conceding that gun-control measures need to be taken. Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., a longtime advocate of gun owners, isn’t making a decision right away on where he stands, despite being hounded with questions about it. He said he needs to hear from his constituents before he can decide on whether to vote for an assault-weapons ban or other gun laws that could be considered in the Senate.”
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Seriously???
Otis bragged about it?
I wonder what the right wing bible bangers think about such "colorful" language? lol
Someone should pass him a bar of "Irish Spring" to suck on, he can wash it down with his bottle of Jack Daniels!
Feisty, you have to wonder at the lack of synapses ... a 250 lb. drunk telling a 150 lb. old guy to F-off and boasting about it ... the 'Big Balls of Stupidity'. Ah, but maybe he saved some face and farted also.
Of course he did! His behavior so mimics those that frequent these boards that voted for him and his cronies.
Lovely Boehner and speaks such volumes of your non-existent character.
This is the reason the Republicans are such terrible negotiators. They continue to overplay their hands. The Tea Party "purists" are actually simpletons, who don't understand how government works or how it is funded. (Remember Joe Walsh, boy genius businessman, who couldn't balance his own budget.)
Then, you have the "moderates", who are being pushed further right in their gerrymandered districts because they are terrified of Tea Party challengers.
If Democrats will only be responsible and vote in 2014, Republicans will be shoved to the margins. A lame duck Democratic President and a Democratic Congress will have an opportunity to claim fiscal responsibility by increasing tax rates on the rich, completely overhauling the tax code, and taking serious corrective action with our very shaky Medicare and Social Security solvency issues.
House Democrats provided most of the votes to end the 'fiscal cliff' - that shows great heart the Democrats have. But we also need to give credit to those House Republicans who voted for it.
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But it's no surprise that most House RepubliCONs voted against it, including Eric CANTOR - the PERSON WHO CAN'T do anything right. We are all too familiar with these RepubliCONs. Kick these out in November 2014. We need to start grassroots activism right now to target these RepubliCONs.
... therefor you are Pigotry. whoops, what happened to "I think"?
Yeah, cat, U R right. Those House Republicans who refused to support the deal want to impose on us their 'PIGOTRY' - government by pigs, of pigs, and for pigs - it's bigotry by pigs.
Norquist - As so eloquently stated by Boehner, Go f*** yourself!! The American public does not answer to you and your extreme conservative-barbaric view points!!
BCWC, that 150 pound old guy is a former boxer. If it comes down to it, I'd put my money on the 150 pound old guy to clean the clock of the 250 pound drunk.
If the President was found to be stating that to the Speaker of the House or anyone for that matter, there would be 8000 comments on this board within 5 minutes of it. I can't even imagine how much blood would be spilled from the exploding heads from the GOP who would proclaim that he brought down the Presidency to below standard.
If the choice is between VP Biden whispering into the President's , ear, but being caught on microphone that passing huge reforms in healthcare as being 'a big f'n deal' vs. the Speaker of the House openly saying 'go f yourself' to the Majority Leader in the Senate and repeating it for multiple sources to clearly here, I'll take the VP use of the term any day.
The Speaker's actions are pathetic at best.
Stay classy, Mr. Speaker.
I believe the Speaker was well within his rights. To be fair, Reid called him a dictator from the Senate floor and said he was more worried about his position than the American people. I'd say the "private" comeback was the best way to handle it. So, Sen. Reid go do what the Eastwood empty chair suggested :-)
Boehner doesn't have to worry, he's already brought the house speaker position to irrelevance. He's the most incompetent speaker ever. It also shows how incompetent the republican party is by keeping his as speaker.
Remember the Republican outrage when Joe Biden said that the new health care law as a big bleepin' deal during an open-mike moment? Biden wasn't attacking anyone. But it's OK for the likes of Vice Cheney and the Curser of the House to use the same term as a form of verbal aggression. What does that kind of behavior teach the dear little kiddies? Foul language is OK as long as you want to insult someone, and hypocrisy is OK, too. That's what the Republicans call family values.
After years of disrespectful treatment of the President and of the Democrats and their constituents (after all, they think we are all lazy "takers"), Boehner treats the Senate Majority Leader with disrespect. Why am I not surprised?
For the longest time I felt that Boehner's own party was making things difficult for him but now I think he is just incompetent.
Boehner shows to the world what most of us have always known - he is a classless, loud, useless, pitiful excuse for a human being - much less speaker of the house. The fact that he made the statement to Reid is bad enough - to go around bragging about it like a grade schooler is something entirely different.
THIS is the best the Republicans could do as speaker of the house? This tiny, delusional "man" tells Senator Reid to f himself? He's as demented as Clint Eastwood and we all know how ridiculous he was made to be with his own words.
Ben if you don't know the difference between calling someone a dictator and telling someone to "f themself" then you are clearly part of the problem. But, with your avitar we already know you are part of the problem.
I find it amusing that Grover Norquist thinks keeping taxes higher on those making over $400,000 isn't a tax increase. I guess he has to try to save face somehow.
Unfortunately, noone tweeted BACK to Grover saying "Take your little pledge and shove it up your HEYNOW!"
"Grover Norquist tweeted last night: “The Bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. Every R voting for Senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his/her pledge.”
"Thought exercise though: How would it be a tax increase on Dec. 31 but a tax cut on Jan. 1, even if it was the same piece of legislation?"
Are taxes now higher than they were for the last 12 years, yes they are, that is a tax increase Grover. On April the 15 you tell the rich that there taxes were actually cut by republicans Grover, I don't think they will see it that way. Republicans in the senate almost unaminously disregarded your pledge, and so did a good deal of republicans in the House including the Speaker. This is the stupidiest thing you are on record as saying with the exception of calling Mitt Romney a "poopy head".
Boehner should tell McConnell what he told Reid, he had almost all republicans on board with a bill that hung House republicans out to dry, Senators have to win statewide elections and cannot depend on Gerrymandering to keep their jobs, and they wanted to keep their jobs. Besides John you punted and asked the senate to craft the proposal, they did that, and then gave you no choice but to put it to an up or down vote, or commit political suicide. You did the right thing in putting yourself down as a yes vote, that is the first step you needed to take if you want to lead the house, and not be lead around like a dog on a leash by the TP and Grover, first smart move you have made in two years.
Eric Cantor is a great example of gerrymandering to create safe seats. Cantor behaves contrary to polls and what the majority of voters in this country want. My bet is his extremism and obstruction is disliked by many in his own district, but how to run someone against him who can win?
I can't wait until many states go purple and eventually blue, like Arizona. Jeff Flake is not as impressive as the Democrat Carmona who ran for Kyl's vacated Senate seat. Still that Carmona garnered the votes he did is an omen for the future, and that Teapublicans like Michele Bachmann's days are numbered...
Those who want compromise in Washington, all you have to do is vote against any member of the Tea Party caucus. The GOP was not so f'd up until the Teabaggers hijacked the Republican Party. And Eric Cantor is their leader!
Forrest Grump 2.0 -- Great post. I posted yesterday that one good thing is Norquist's pledge being broken. Grover has yet to go through all the stages of grief, currently in denial.
Then when the new Congress starts, I am hopeful rules for the filibuster will be put back in place--at least enough to end the Tyranny of the Minority, especially since the 2010 mid-term. Speaking of which, every time Boehner says the voters re-elected the Republicans as the majority in the House, I shake my head. We all know Teapublicans lost seats in the House and would have lost their majority according to the popular vote.
When they talk about 'family values', I used to wonder if they were referring to the Borgia family, or possibly the Tudor or Romanov families. Maybe it was the Corleone family whose values they were trying to emulate!
Now there's a new target for utterly ruthless and shameless corruption, coupled with mind- blowing incompetence-- the Bush family! God help us all if Jeb decides to run; if nothing else, the last election proved that there's a block of voters in this country who are so brainwashed by their insensate hatred of what they think Liberals stand for, that they'd vote for Satan if he was running on the Republican ticket.
It is hard to tell who they are negotiating with. It is the Baboon in heat Boehner, the Vulture McConnell, or the Hyena Cantor? Obviously, the zoo keeper walked away from the zoo, leaving it unattended.
2013, Demcrats 1 -- Republicans 0
Fox ....
Ain't that the truth! And they daily tell Liberals (like me) on these boards that they are supporting me, that I need to get a job, that the country is so divided due to the Liberal agenda, and that we should all carry really big guns to ensure our personal safety.
It gets really old, really fast. The Republican party should be ashamed of their so-called "leadership." And this butthead is 3rd in line to the Presidency ... wonder how he'd handle international crisis? More sailor talk?
Boehner should be censored by Congress for gross disrespect.
Congratulations to Speaker Boehner for surpassing Dick Cheney for the "NO SOCIAL GRACES" award for using the "F" word towards another public servant. What company you keep. The worst Vice President in history and the worst Speaker in history will share space in hell for their "not so" kind words and deeds.
How do you like Republicans in the house punishing the Hurricane Sandy victims by punting on that vote, most of the states affected at least the ones most affected have republican Governors. I think the house republicans are punishing Chris Christy for hugging president Obama in public and praising him for his help. The Gov of NJ was a republican darling for a long time but ever since he hugged Obama they treat him like a fart in a perfume factory, he is the only republican who's numbers have climbed through the roof, they should learn a political lesson from him.
Layton, may the good Lord forgive me, but (historical analogy alert!) when I hear the Forces of Darkness calling this President 'the most divisive figure ever in American politics', I can't help thinking of my hero, Winston Churchill.
In 1940, when Hitler's armies had overrun most of Western Europe, he made what he called a 'peace offer' to the defiant British, consisting mainly of, 'Give up and stop fighting and maybe we'll be a little bit merciful to you.' When Winston hurled it back in der Fuhrer's face, the gibbering little monkey Goebbels said that that proved he was a 'warmonger'!
So it is with "Obama the Divider"-- only a divisive character because the right-wing Corporate media has turned him into an Antichrist- like figure. Man, I thought what they did to Bill Clinton was bad? Bill didn't see nothin' like this- 'course, (ahem!) Bill is somewhat less tan.
AH yes... glad to see that the new year has brought some consistency. That being the usual left wing hypocrisy.
You trolls use that language on this site EVERY DAY and there you stand with your faux outrage.
Laughable!
BTW... anyone remember Gaffy Joe referring to the passage of Obamacare as a 'Big F---ing Deal'?
Boehner should be censored by Congress for gross disrespect
Sure he should because "This is a big F---ing deal", right Joe?
Wow a republican lawmaker just said on Nationwide TV "that anybody in the Northeast that contributes any money to congressional republicans should have their heads examined" It is not often that I am in complete agreement with a republican politician. Ha I wonder if Boehner will call him and tell him to go eff himself.
This country just got sold down the river and you folks are worried about crap like this.
New Year, SOS.
RedDevPS
Forgive me .... but this just begs a joke about the monkey in the white house...
(ouch)
sorry... but you started it. ;-)
(now everyone call me a racist.)
Sick - you can't see the difference between referring to a bills being passed a big "f'---ng deal" and telling an individual to go "f--k themself?" Really? You don't see the difference????? Oh my - you didn't get any smarter over the New Year, did you????
And then you are filthy enough to post "but this just begs a joke about the monkey in the white house..."? You are a disgusting, filthy little person. But, a typical Republican - not a brain in your had but eager to show it!
How did I know that my adoring little stalker would be the FIRST to reply to my first post of the year?
Love yah GF!
Hahahahah!!!
head not had
This in no way averted the fiscal cliff, it just put it off by two months. The fiscal cliff was a combination of tax rates AND spending cuts. This permanently extended the tax cuts for everyone who makes less than $400K as an individual or $450K for joint filers. It did NOTHING to reduce spending. Those were simply put off for two months, when we will find ourselves exactly where we were two days ago. The lack of spending cuts is why the conservative House Republicans voted against this.
From what I read it seems Nancy Pelosi led the house on bringing this bill up for an up or down vote, much more than Boehner did. Bringing this to the floor was the right thing to do, after all Boehner publicly declared he could do nothing and asked the senate to produce a bill, they did that. Then Eric Cantor trys to submarine him again, truth is Nancy Pelosi saved Boehners political ass by helping to pressure the house into an up or down vote. Boehner asked the Senate to do what he could not, and then when they do, he was still willing for some of his members to muck it up with amendments, but after virtual unanimous support for the agreement in the Senate they told him you asked us to do this for you, and we did, so take it or leave. As a Speaker of the House, Boehner is not qualified to carry Nancy Pelosi's purse.
Bill - sorry they voted against it because of raising taxes on the rich -nothing more. And, we definitely need spending cuts - they are supposed to address that as soon as the new Congress is sworn in. Hopefully they will take a cue from those who actually care about the country and ignore Grover Norquist.
Reid is a weasle, I like how Obama had to send babbling Biden in to do his job. True its immature to throw a F-bomb around but not any worse than a sitting president to call some one a bullshter.
What is really crazy is republicans ended up getting less in the final negotiated Senate bill than they would have had Boehner and his friends accepted President Obama's final proposal which had spending cuts, tax increases for those making $400K or more, a tweek to cost of living formula, etc. but Boehner's House rejected it. The GOPTP kept demanding more and more from democrats and ultimately got a lot less.
Early on in this latest "cliff" saga, Speaker Boehner had the nerve to ask President Obama to put his 2011 offer back on the table--you know, the other grand bargain Boehner and friends walked away from--and Pres Obama told him that offer had passed him (Boehner) by--in other words, you snooze, you lose. Before Christmas, Boehner opted for Plan B which couldn't get enough votes from his own party. Then Boehner has the nerve to tell Reid to go "f- himself", twice. Seriously, it seems that Boehner's choice of words better describes exactly what the GOP House keeps doing to itself.
Nor fill her shoes. What that woman can do with a pair of pumps makes every Congress-man grab his crotch to ward off the dig she wields with her heel(s).
Um, that would be Mitch McConnell called and begged Biden to help him out of the hole the GOPTP party dug for themselves. Lookie there - right-wing bats already re-writing events and facts. Another Bachmann-Palin inductee.
maybe we can just censor anyone with right leaning beliefs.. all in the name of Forward Progress. Obama and Bush found a nation in marble and left it in mud. At this point i would take the visigoths, at least I would know who the enemy was.
Parker ... Felix sit annus novus ... or in Welsh ... Blwyddyn Newydd Dda ... to vowel or not to vowel?
The "conservative base", meaning the Teagaggers.
Sure, go ahead and play up to the Teagaggers just like Romney did, we saw how those folks really know how to "win" an election, i.e., by having Republican followers voting for the Democrats because the Teagaggers are too backwards for today's electorate.
Yeah, go that way.
I stand corrected, McConnel did reach out to biden .
By Saturday night, McConnell had made his latest offer, but Senator Reid never countered back. That’s when McConnell asked Mr. Biden to step in to jump-start the negotiations.
Unlike President Obama, Biden had spent 36 years in the Senate and is a seasoned negotiator. He and McConnell worked together to break an impasse over extending the Bush-era tax cuts in December 2010. With Reid gone silent, Biden looked like McConnell’s best option for a way out.
TO: michigan northener who wrote:
As Vice President, Biden is President of the United States Senate.
Biden had to go do his own job, NOT the President's.
Weasel.
American Girl - michigan northerner just shows over and over he knows NOTHING about who does what in Washington.
Hope your New Year was outstanding!
From the article above:
Pithy catch-phrases are TomasGrande's bread and butter.
How about "Spring Stupidity".
or "St. Patty's Sequester ".
or "Boehner's Budget Bananarama".
Uggg.
Where's Frank Luntz?
Salud
American Girl . . . .
Oh Snap! Wonder how michigan northerner will choose to respond to that one! Well done!
(Tomas, no more Bloody Mary's . . . .;-) )
Fox Trotsky I find it funny that the people that lost two him twice, try to knock Obama as just a community organizer, and claim he is a divider. Obviously he united blacks, Latino's, women, union members, and a fair number of white males he won two elections, he took every single swing state that was possibly in question to go to republicans. Now how in the hell can you call him a divider with a straight face when he won every single swing state, obviously the guy who gets the most votes is the one who most united the nation. Republicans are just now learning they can not believe their own hype and spin, that they have been sold a crock of BS, by Rush, Rove, Hannity, Beck and a whole host of political talking heads on Fox, you know when they learned that, on election night, that's when. It seems they only fool themselves with stupid comments like the man that won the election, took every swing state, and who's party gained seats in the senate, and gained seats in the house divided people. One more time republicans, say it with me the guy that gets the most votes is the guy that united people, if he would have divided people he would have lost the election, if you don't believe me then just ask Mitt Romney he understands that concept now.
Forrest - sad to say but my guess is Mitt Romney STILL DOESN'T UNDERSTAND that concept.
Layton-
LOL.
It's afternoon.
I've switched to bourbon.
(wink)
Salud
thanks Ikarus i did have a good new year and hopefully will continue to. Since i have no oracles readily availble I will sit and watch the sacred (canada) geese of Juno for signs from the Gods in their flight patterns. I sure the hell cant trust my elected officials to bring prosperity.
"Biden had to go do his own job, NOT the President's." what took him so long ?
Maybe the prince of fools will quit campaigning this year ?
The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.
“The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.
“The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”
Forrest Grump 2.0
Well said.
I think the gig is FINALLY up.
The pithy catch-phrase I came up with to refer to Fox, is Faux sNewzzzzz.
Salud
Fox ....
mighigan northerner has totally proven your post at 1.26 - when all else fails, resort back to the GOP mantra of President-bashing ...
... sigh ...
The only river flowing from this bargain is the tears streaming from the far right conservatives, led of course by the Town Crier, Boehner. They had their chance at a better bargain way back when, but sadly, put all their eggs in one basket, that being the 2011 election.
The best thing is the state of the union address is going to be short.
The Hobbit steps to the podium and waves and grins. Starts the speech. My fellow Americans, you are worse off this year then last year. Next year looks even more dismal. Thank you for your support. I am going on vacation.
Goodnight.
Good gawd - if you are going to plagiarize, at least try to change the wording somewhat. That eff-er has been floating around since 2009.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/pragerzeitungon.asp
White Collar Auto
You're another moron who is too stupid can't see the difference between an expletive used to express enthusiasm, however inappropriate, and the same expletive used in a verbal assault. WCA: Go bleep yourself, jerk.
rukidding47
I'd much rather have a hobbit than Mitt the Golem ("We hates the 47% to pieces and we wants our precious tax cuts for the wealthy").
rukidding and michigan northerner - two pathetic little Republicans who can't stand the fact the majority of voters were a whole lot smarter than the two of you losers!
Look up the definition of "Dictator" or the word "Terrorist" and tell me you wouldn't tell Reid to F-off? At least Bone-Head said it to his face and not in public like a Liberal coward.
You Liberals are F...ing Retards if you think this is important. Hey, Liberals that do work, let's meet on here on the 15th and tell me how much this Government took from your paycheck and then in turn you can blame the GOP because they took your money.
"Keep your powder dry"
Paul-Florida
Spewing an obscenity at an old guy like Harry Reid is what's cowardly. Of course, Reid was a boxer in his younger days. He probably still could have pounded a 2-pack-a-day boozer like Boehner into a pulp if the rules of decorum didn't forbid it.
I have no problem with Boehner telling that little Dwarf bastard from Nevada to Go F**K himself.......None whatsoever. Reid is a no good SOB who chooses to conduct Business in the Senate like a Dictator, blocking legislation at every opportunity. He and Pelosi are a perfect pair.....azzhole and azzwipe.
Congratulations Boehner!!!!
It's about time you stood up to that miscreant Hairy "Pappa Smurf" Reed.
Of course all the limp-wristed Liberal cabal will demonize you for your "incivility". But it was OK when he was proselytizing about your being a "dictator".
This is the laughable hypocrisy the Libbies spew every day in their convoluted little world of make-believe of social and economic justice.
Now stand up to the useless trespasser in the White House about the debt ceiling and spending cuts.
The ball is in your court.
Holy cow, please let's have some meaningful discourse, not just a rant full of mindless bile.
Moderate in madison -- And look up the word "moderate" while you're at it.
On the 'deal': - I think it caps revenue at 15% of GDP, if so...it's too low. Glad they worked together - but it was due to the passing deadline more than a spirtit of rational compromise.
On "Go f--- yourself": - "No John, I'm too worn out from humping the Republican Party into submission."
He won by 6 votes! Guess it was a stone cold lock! <S>
By FedEx? Oh the pissing and whining if not.
Possibly, By FedEx !!!
Yeah.. some FatAss conservative Swines will whine ... Glenn Beck...or Sean Hannity will try to hannitize the whole thing again. No surprise what rwnjs will do.
Call it stimulating 'private sector' business.
By selecting FeEx, isn't Congress guilty of choosing winners and losers in the private sector? They had better stay with USPS.
"They had better stay with USPS."- That is, until the rotten, thieving, lowlife bastards can find a way to
steal and wreckprivatize it.BCWC, the whiners should be along any moment now; that is if they bothered to read that line.
Courier on a commercial or military transport heading that way, my bet. If a Air Force I dispatched, the squeals, howls, gnashing of teeth would already be reverberating across the land--so far deafening silence. Oh wait, I am sure their will be some hew and cry that the President shouldn't have left to join the family but hung around while the rest of congress dispersed to favorite saloons to celebrate or cry in their beer. Wait, it's coming........
The only Long Game Cantor is playing is one that uses long knives in The Boehner's back.
If congress had done their job and passed a budget before the holidays President Obama would not have had to return to Washington. He was entitled to return and join his family for the rest of their vacation. once again congress added more expenses by DOUBLING the cost of his trip at the expense of the American tax payer.
Also, if congress was REALLY family oriented and cared about their families they would of done their JOB and passed a budget long before the holidays so they could spend that time with their families. But they are only interested in themselves. Mighty God like....don't you think.
House Republicans rejecting the Obama/Boehner Grand Bargain deficit reduction plan is one of the biggest mistakes ever by the Republican party.
Cantor and Ryan blocking that plan was a disaster for Republicans in 2012 elections.
Compare the offer to where we are today and it's clear the Republicans haven't been listening to American businesses.
Cantor and Ryan's decision to block the Grand Bargain is the very reason we have months of more headaches ahead.
CEOs are coming out and saying Republicans should have accepted the deal.
CEOs are coming out and saying unemployment would be below 7% if Republicans would put the country first instead of worrying about CEOs and their taxes.
CEOs know that 2011 offer from Obama would have resulted in a better economy which leads to better pay for them and all their employees.
I mean, yesterday we almost had the Republican leadership in the House almost completely undermine the Republican leadership in the Senate. It looked like they threatened to scuttle the whole thing, and they ended up helping Barack Obama raise taxes more than any Republican Party in a generation has helped anybody raise taxes, and they got nothing for it. … The Republican Party has to figure out what it wants to be, first, before they sit down at the negotiating table.
Sorry, but I have to disagree. What we are seeing are elected politicians doing what THEY feel is best for their constituents and the country. It's high time people did what is best for the masses rather than what is in the best interest of a political party.
The majority of our problems, if not all of them, stem from politicians voting party lines rather than doing the right thing.
If the democrats and republicans would both vote on issues for their merit rather than playing the part of political party puppets this country would be much better off.
Boy are you clueless nomoresameo. "What we're seeing are elected politicians doing what THEY fell is best for their reelection".
Man, ain't that the truth!
A corollary of doing what's "best for their re-election" is their long-term game: retirement with a benefits package that is the envy of the 98%.
Doing what's best for their constituents, my a$$!
YOU couldn't be more wrong about what you are saying MO.
You and many other people WANT others to believe that this is not out of the ordinary. Both the democrats and republicans have particular agendas and they expect the people of their party to support that agenda regardless of how it effects the masses.
The process is like a domino game where politicians will support others bills in exchange for the vote of their bill at a later time. It doesn't matter if the bills created will help the majority of the people, if the party wants it to happen and the individual politicians want the support of the party for reelection, they have to support it or suffer the consequences.
As I stated before nomoresameo. You are clueless thinking politicians are interested in anything but their reelection.
Maybe you follow the agenda of your party regardless of how it effects (hurts) you. But this is one Democrat that looks at what effects him and the country, not what the agenda is. That's the definition of clueless, blindly following your parties agenda.
I saw 'LINCOLN' over the holidays.
What a disappointment. The movie wasn't really about 'Lincoln' at all... instead it focused only on the few months leading up to the passage of the 13th Amendment.
I did find it interesting that the movie portrayed the democrats in congress as totally against the amendment. The republicans were actually the ones that pushed it through. Of course, that couldn't have happened if a few democrats had not given up the party line and crossed over to vote with the repubs. And all it took was the repubs offering the dems some underhanded bribes (jobs and the like) - you know... the dems only needed a little something for themselves.
Even then the amendment only passed by a handful of votes. WOW!
I guess some things never change.
Sorry Mo, but by definition of being affiliated with a political party as you have stated you are, YOU are part of the problem.
Simply by aligning yourself with any political party gives that party a certain strength. More times than not people will vote for a politician because of party affiliation alone. Boundaries are drawn within states to help protect political party strength whether any party wants to admit it or not. The partys want to do everything possible to have their party puppets elected and will do everything possible with as little effort as possible.
While you state that you are a democrat that looks at what effects you and the country, let me ask you a simple question. How many times have you voted for anyone outside the democratic party?
All I'm saying is that the only reason there are still political partys in this country is because they are able to gang up on the process of pushing their agendas when they have a certain majority of the votes. If there were no political party affiliation polititions would be voting on laws that made sense for the people who voted them to office and the majority of the others in the country.
But the democrats and republicans don't want that. The last thing they want are a bunch of mavericks in office or sitting on the supreme court. They want to have a certain expectation of the outcome of matters before they happen which meets their agenda. That is why I say that we would be all be better off if there were no political partys in this country. To see someone elected because they were the best candidate because of their vision has all but been forgotten in this country. The democrats and republicans do everything in their power to make people believe that their party is right and the other is wrong in everything they do.
What I find interesting is your complete lack of understanding into the history of the formation of the Republican Party. The party was founded on anti-slavery ideals. Why, gasp, they even thought it better to give land ownership to slaves vs. plantation owners. Of course, they lost prominence during the 30s and 40s, and didn't rise to power again until they did a complete turn of face, and come out strongly against the Civil Rights Act. Now how about that - from anti-slavery to anti-civil rights. I guess some things never change.
nomoresameo, although I get your point and usually I agree with your posts, can't quite with this one. In the case of the House GOP these days, I just don't believe they are willing to do what is best for the country as a whole--they were only willing to look at what the voters in their district wanted.
The reason I disagree is that this issue (fiscal cliff, tax rates, deficit and debt) are national issues not district by district ones. The fiscal cliff affects the entire country as does the federal income tax rates. It is one thing to vote their conscience per their constituents on some things but when the issues are national issues, they have a responsibility to the country as a whole not just their district.
WOW RedDev...
You never miss a beat when it comes to yelling 'RACIST" do you!
My comment was about HOW politics works and HOW things get done in Washington - not a comment on slavery or racism. Let me spell it out for you... S L O W L Y.... On an issue as BIG as the end of slavery it still took underhanded deals to make it happen.
But that's ok... I am glad I could provide you a little something to point fingers at Republicans and to scream racism about. (man... get a life)
BTW... if you want to talk about the Republican Party 'flip-flopping' on the 'black' issue... the same could be said about the democrats... only they took the other side of that racist coin - but racist nonetheless.
And since the dems could not keep the blacks in slavery... they changed tactics... now keeping them dependent upon the government - but still keeping them down - slaves to the government you might say.
six of one... half-dozen of the other.
Reddev does have a knack for screaming Racism pretty easily. Kind of like Bev and Fisty, seeing a racist behind every white person. No bigotry there, no prejudice there...nope, none whatsoever.
SickOfTheBickering
Nice try at revisionist history there, Sick. The segregationists all bailed out of the Democratic Party after the civil rights laws were enacted and became Republicans. That's why most of the South is now solidly Republican rather than solidly Democratic as it used to be. What you REALLY don't like about the Democrats is that the New Deal and Great Society gave a black man the educational opportunities that led to him being elected President of the United States.
revisionist history? like the KKK was founded by former civil war soldiers and democrat supporters? oh you mean civil rights acts that were passed in the 60's by republicans? Houston you are delusional
Houston, did you miss the fact that the vote to pass the 13th Amendment happened BEFORE the war ended and at that time Congress did not contain representation from ANY of the southern states.
THEY HAD SECEDED! REMEMBER?
No... that was totally a northern state action (LED BY REPUBLICANS and STRONGLY OPPOSED BY DEMOCRATS) and STILL it barely passed.
(unbelievable)
Mr Speaker its kind of like being in prison, don't drop the gavel in front of cantor. He will break it off in you for it!
Domenico said:
Domenico...as one of your Twitter followers replied...it might be fun to seed the various outcomes. "Kick the can down the road" would be the #1 seed. "Meaningful reform" would be the #16 seed. Simpson-Bowles could be the plucky #14 seed hoping for a matchup with Syracuse in the first round! Someone else mentioned "bracketbusters"...perhaps that's where the few remaining moderates square off? LOL!
Hope everyone had a great holiday season...and here's to a 2013 full of informed and civil debate!! :-)
Well Frank and Domenico, I am sure that the March Hare will be dragged into April and some Fool will come up with ... arrrg, I am already starting to groan.
and here's to a 2013 full of informed and civil debate!! :-)
Apparently, Grimey, your boy Boehner didn't get the memo. How do you feel about the Speaker telling Reid to "go f--- yourself!" I'm curious.
Grimey---sadly, "on the bubble" (one of the March Madness terms I hate) would be "job creation".
While I certainly am sympathetic to the basketball tournament enthusiasts such as Grimey and Domenico--myself included--"March Madness" will unfortunately be a perfect description for the inevitable madness that will ensue as once again, the GOPTP puts the country "on the bubble".
Boehner, Cantor, and McConnell clearly make up the Cinderella team. They certainly exhibit the worst case of Cinderella Complex displayed by any political leaders in memory, each begging someone else to come take care of them and clean up their mess. Thanks to Papa Biden, they were able to take that dainty little step to avoid a free fall over the fiscal cliff. Of course being true to Cinderella, they will pull out their best Cinderella Affect, and accuse Biden and the democrats of unusually cruel behavior towards their, oh, so delicate sensibilities.
The heck with Cinderella - I say treat them like Snow White and feed them a poison apple. Given the destructive, obstructionist state of the 112th Congress, they may as well be comatose. Now, just where is that toad? Oops, wrong fairy tale.
Translation: This is the best he can do to spin this in a vain attempt to remain relevant. Do you think any "no new taxes ever" bagger is going to take him seriously? This is the end of Grover Norquist!
I don't know about self-deportation, but doesn't Norquist have a self-destruct button? It is high-time he pressed it !! That is an idea that any 12 year old could get behind.
The media will keep Norquist relevant. It's in their best financial interests.
Mo, Grover may well be a media pundit asked to give his worthless devalued $0.02 from time to time. The notion that he is this principled "no new taxes ever" person to be feared is over. After all, he violated his own pledge in a vain effort to remain relevant. A lot of the far right bloggers and the bagger kook websites (Michelle Malkin, Free Republic and other bastions of rightard stupidty) already were suspicious of Grover due to his "Muslim ties." Now they have a more mainstream reason to bash him.
Al - I usually don't care if someone is Muslim or not. But, I find it humorous that Grover's wife is from a Pakistani Muslim family. Just sayin.....
Makes it hard for you to call him a racist... (but I'm sure you will)
As a general rule, I don't attribute to racism actions that can be adequately described as mere stupidity.
Al - so perfectly stated!
@seekingsanity I usually don't care if someone is Muslim or not. But, I find it humorous that Grover's wife is from a Pakistani Muslim family. Just sayin.....
what are you saying that being a hypocrit liberal you find THAT offensive ? don't understand your post there.
Memo to MSNBC Hosts, (here's looking at you, Andrea Mitchell, today): Please, stop giving Grover Norquist a place to sit with a microphone to spout his latest, ridiculous and twisted logic on why the fiscal cliff deal isn't really a tax increase when taxes were increased on 2% of the people.
Norquist, like Dan Senor, should be relegated to the halls of obscurity--the dust bin of irrelevance.
I guess the trees in Northern Michigan aren't the right height, making humor hard to spot.
Our esteemed Speaker puts me in mind of noted humorist Josef Stalin. A banquet was held in the Kremlin for the diplomatic corps of countries allied against the Nazi menace, with Foreign Commissar Vyacheslav Molotov as the host and Stalin as guest of honour.
One of the foreign diplomats praised Commissar Molotov as "a man with brains", whereupon Stalin replied, "Yes, Molotov has brains- but his brains are stupid."
So it is with our Speaker and his cohort of mindless, ball-less Koch puppets. They have character- but their character is weak, cowardly and utterly loathsome.
Stalin was a stellar standup commie-dian. Gulag Comedy Central was a great tv show.
A new ZEK arrives in the GULag. Her cellmates size her up, then send over one of their number to make inquiries.
- So what did you get?
New ZEK: I got 20 years.
- What for?
New ZEK: For nothing.
- Aha! You are a liar. They only give you 10 years for nothing.
Knock-knock!! Who's there? Red!! Red Who? tsk, tsk, tsk!!
"SERFS UP!"- V.I. Lenin
At the Reykjavik summit, President George H.W. Bush was feeling poorly one day, so Vice-President Quayle filled in for him at a joint press conference with General Secretary Gorbachev.
Everything's going along OK until Quayle looks over at Gorbachev and says, "Hey Mike- whaddaya got all over your forehead, man?"
A horrified silence falls over the assembled press corps, and after a moment, Gobachev grinds out: "Is birthmark."
"Oh yeah?", says Quayle. "How long ya had it?"
(Privately, knowing what I do about Russia's historic quest for a warm-water port, I never trusted Gorbachev. The man has a map of Greece tatooed on his head, for God's sake. Paging Dr. Obvious!)
Glad I wasn't drinking coffee when I got to this thread. LOL.
During the Iraq war, Donald Rumsfeld told President George W. Bush he had some bad news for him; they'd lost two Brazilians in fighting that day. Bush replied, "oh, no; that's too bad.........hey, Rummie, how many is a brazilian anyway?"
Oh my, I hadn't heard that one - I'm crying. Thank goodness I wasn't drinking coffee!!
I forgot about the Bush comment on the "brazillians"....that was funny. People say things, especially when they aren't thinking about it, or the fact that it might be repeated, much less played in slow motion so that NO ONE can forget it. Lots of everyday people use the same kind of language in everyday conversations or retorts. It's just funnier when you hear major players say it out loud and in public, especially when there's a microphone, most of the time when you actually hear it in the context which Boehner was saying it, it is borne out of frustration and tunnel vision. Still funny as hell, though. They are only human. Bush, on the other hand, was and still is the goofiest President we have ever had. Not the Dad, the son, the one people call an idiot. That idiot made it to the White House, let's not forget that, and he did it TWICE.
I posted this before but the stupidest or funniest at least if you have a dark sense of humor as I must have is when Bush waved to Stevie Wonder.
let us pray that lives we lose every day to guns and the people who use shall not become a political debate and fade into the sunset. we need and we have a duty to the children in this country common sense gun safety laws which will create a longer wait, removal of military style weaponry and clips, mandatory liability insurance, and the correct storage and seperate storage of amunition.
i dont want to take all guns away, but on the other hand, i want to be safe wherever i venture. i think we can have both, but safety of the masses must come first.
Yes, let's call it something meaningful that will easily confuse the viewers of Faux News - Anti Gun Violence. Let them believe they are supporting violence against guns.
Remember when Vice President Biden was heard to utter "This Is A Big F***in' Deal" when ACA was signed? Conservatives lost their collective minds when he dropped that f-bomb.
Where are they now?
Just like they always do Da Noid. Hiding.
What minds Da Noid? Don't you have to have something to lose it?
Same place they were when VP Cheney suggested Sen. Leahey engage in auto-erotic activities. Nodding their collective heads in approval and pretending that there is no double-standard.
Da Noid - and he wasn't telling anyone to "f themself" just used the word. Boehner is low class garbage and he showed it with that name calling.
We are right here... pointing out the hypocrisy of the left for their acceptance of Joe's comment and their crucifixion of Boehner's.
BTW little miss insanity... using the F-word AT ALL in a position like the VP (or Speaker of the House) is not acceptable and shows no class by BOTH parties.
It does however provide a wonderful opportunity for you to display your hypocrisy! (which you and many others did)
:-P
Sick - so sad you can't see the difference but I expected no better from you. No class at all!
Hey Kettle.... you're black!
The Pot
You gotta love SickOTB and Ben--they have matching avatars--must make them feel "macho".
BTW, Sick, there's a difference between whispering (not realizing the mic was on) that something is a big "f-ing deal" and yelling "go f-yourself" at a person not once but twice and then bragging about it. No matter how you try to spin it, there is a huge difference. I didn't find Clint Eastwood's attempt to infer it funny either but I know a lot of your side did because we read it here.
I wonder if old Clint isn't really a democratic operative, because he destroyed the prime time portion of the Republican Convention, that was the sadest thing I have seen since that poor guy Ross Piero picked for a VP. It left most of the nation that watched it wondering WTF is with these people.
yeah... the difference is that one of those two fools TRIES TO HIDE his HATE and NASTINESS! While the other is simply more open about it.
Either way... both are IDIOTS and you are one too if you cant see that.
BTW... I have seen Fisty tell more than one person on this vine to go "F***" themselves. What do you think of her?
eh huh... that's what I thought!
America to House Republicans: Go f--yourselves!
Again... CLASSY!
SOB......
go @!$%# yourself!
next?
LOL!
Typical
Oh they'd get really cheezed off to have people as rude to them as they are to others. So I concur.
I think Boehner was mad at Senator Reid because he couldn't dump the fiscal cliff issue onto Reid, although he tried mightily to do so. Reid schooled Boehner big time, again.
This article asks who runs the Republican party. Well, look no farther than Grover Norquist. He is the grand poobah of the Republican party. His shadow (and emerging from shadows) governance of the once grand old party is becoming more and more evident. If he has as much power over the 113th Congress' Republicans as he did over the 112th Congress' Republicans we will see the usual weak leadership and nothing getting done. Boehner needs to step up and take the leadership from Norquist and not let the likes of Cantor anywhere near the Speakership. Boehner has shown he can negotiate and is willing to compromise but others in leadership in his party and the shadow leader, Norquist, have made his job harder and nearly impossible to do.
So Mr. Speaker, visit your friends Johnny Walker, Jim Beam and the Old Grandad, have a nice cry and come back, head held high, and finally show you can lead.
Adler - a number of the newly elected Republicans in Congress have refused to sign pledges to Norquist. Perhaps they actually KNOW they are there for their constituents and NOT Grover????
85 house republicans voted for a tax increase last night that is fact no matter how Grover tries to spin it, and that at least is a good start. Not to metion that a republican law maker just today on natioal TV said "that anybody in the Northeast that contributes any money to congressional republicans should have their heads examined" now they are taking some real heat from within their own party, and that is a good start as well. We will see if they tell those republican governors and republican politicians in the states affected by Sandy if we are just too broke to help you.
Forrest,
They should be upset with the people who put all that pork into the bill.
Happy New year Thetotas, I can't argue with you on that one, I don't know how stuff like that gets in a bill about the Fiscal Cliff, but a lot of republicans as well as democrats in the senate signed off on that, but it sure does not support the argument of fiscal responsiblity, and the need to cut medicare, and SS when you have do have money to subsidize NASCAR.
The pork was removed from the bill. Ask Rep King. that's why he is upset. he even said he is seriously considering becoming an Independent. He said he is tired of the republican party's shenanigans.
It is interesting to note that there aren't so many supporters of the Republican party on this post today. All weekend long I read the posts coming out of the woodwork regarding their agenda and bad-mouthing anything coming from the WH or the Senate. But, after this article and the pitiful show of the Speaker, they seem to have better things to do than post their rantings. What a bunch of hypocrits! I do applaud those Republicans that voted for the bill; both sides need to learn from all the "drama" they created and just do their jobs.
God bless America; God bless President Obama and VP Biden. Let's have a great 2013!!
Roll over Grover! Stove Rove! Stringless Puppeteers! Happy New Year, 2013!
Booze and civility don't mix, and to think Boehner drinks with that mouth continuously, any odds on a crying jag at his favorite watering hole, think Crapo with himself commiserating how they got "whopped."
The real obscenities will be starting again soon--the cuts, are looming, hopefully Reid will change the filibuster rules and spare the nation more slow-mo governance.
"Park Avenue: Money, Power and the American Dream". Find it on-line, watch and learn what and who our leaders care about. Politics in America has nothing to do with our society or individual needs. It is all about who has the most ($) at the end of the game. Our government will send trillions of dollars out of the country "to help" (read: influence) our fellow citizens of planet Earth, but argue over helping our families and neighbors in times of desperate need. Every time mother nature guts this country, it is a war over who gets what ($) and how best to take advantage, financially, of the pain and suffering of our fellow citizens. All we can depend on are each other and prepare for the time when we are sacrificed for the "good" of our political system.
Who in the world would want to be a politician? They are so declasse'.
As a loyal U.S. citizen, I will take a flood of tears( Bo nut) over a field of S h i t (can't do)
If you really want your voice to be heard, email you Congress Critters early and often. The House and Senate have member websites that will take you to the contact form for your representative. senator so you can write them easily and directly. There are also snail mail addresses. Don't wast your time ranting here or on Facebook, rant to them directly whenever you are annoyed or inspired. Tou can also contact the Speaker and Majority/Minority Leaders.
If you want to make you voice hard- contact your Congress Citter all the time. You might even occassionally get a response, a few months late. The 2% has the $$$ and face time. We need to outweigh that with constant communication to make the 98% voice heard.
The United States of Dependance will continue to borrow $ 1 trillion+ per year. You cannot deal with people who have rendered even basic math politically incorrect and inconvenient to their lifestyle. The democrats have long ago run out of other peoples money. The collapse and breakup of the once great(pre Great Society) nation is on the horizon. It is a mathmatical certainty.
Cantor knew that the bill was going to pass with a vote. He was just making a statement with a no vote. I am sure Boehner would have voted no with him but knew he was trapped in a corner by the Democrats at the last minute and had no choice but to vote yes! I can guarantee that all the Republicans hated this bill but many felt the need to vote yes because they had no choice! Dirty politics as usual by the Senate Democrats to force a bill on purpose at the last minute of the deadline so the House had no time to ammend it or reject it with a new bill! I can safely say all Republicans are united especially now with forcing spending cuts!! The debt ceiling is coming, Obama wants to raise it so they can spend even more money they don't have. The Republican House will not allow this, they will finally force spending cuts where Obama and Democrats are too cowardly to address!! Obama got his small political victory but the big fight is yet to come and Boehner and the Republican House are ready for it!
America loses nothing we just had two years of GOP nothing and we still are alive . Two more years of nothing can't hurt. The GOP cowards do not have a President like Bush to start two wars and not pay for them. The major concern will be to ensure that the GOP cowards cannot start wars due to the REAL PRESIDENT AND LEADER will not let them.Big win for the American public and two more years of getting nothing accomplished due to the incompetyency of Boehner and his flunkies.
Partisans follow their dual pied pipers right off the cliff as, like children, the best they can do for the nation is gripe about the other party. People falling for the bait--hook, line and sinker and while the ship sinks argue over whose boat is the prettiest. Understand something folks, members of Congress from both parties are interested in only one thing...re-election. They would gladly toss every one of you overboard if that's what it took. In fact, that's what they have already done. Every election, you go out and constitutionally validate an electoral system that is rigged to keep incumbents and members of the two major parties in power. There is a way to break this pattern, look for the answer in the book "The Next American Revolution: How to Demand Congressional Reform NOW."
Whatever your ideologies might be, all of you need a Congress that operates as it was intended and actually was the first 150 year's of the republic's history. We can force congressional reform through an Article V convention. Rid yourselves of party loyalty just long enough to save the nation.