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Subscribe to RSSKey staffers huddle behind closed doors against the backdrop of a snowy capital as they attempt to hammer a last-minute deal to avoid going over the so-called fiscal cliff. NBC's Kristen Welker reports.
Updated 6:30 p.m. ET -- President Barack Obama tasked the United States Senate with trying to resolve the “fiscal cliff” in the waning hours before the New Year following a meeting between congressional leaders and the president.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., will lead the last-minute effort to avert the automatic tax hikes and spending cuts set to take effect on Jan. 1 unless Congress acts.
And Obama said he is “optimistic” they can reach an accord before midnight on New Year’s Eve, the point at which the government would hit the fiscal cliff.
Absent that, the president said he had asked Reid to instead advance a bare-boned proposal that would extend the 2001 Bush tax cuts for income under $250,000.
Related -- Cliff Notes: Five things to watch at today's White House meeting
“I still want to get this done,” Obama said after his discussions with congressional leaders. He said “the hour for immediate action is here. It is now."
The president will appear exclusively on Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," where he's expected to further outline steps toward reaching a final deal.
The White House talks -- at which Obama presented no new offer to Republicans in Congress -- yielded “no concrete proposal,” Reid told reporters at the Capitol following the meeting.
President Barack Obama meets with NBC's David Gregory on Meet the Press Sunday morning. Gregory explains that for the president, this has become a matter of principle.
But in the waning hours before the end-of-year deadline, senators are now scrambling to produce a bipartisan package, at the request of Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, that can muster enough support in the House.
Reid, McConnell, Boehner, and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., spent the meeting “discussing potential options and components for a plan that could pass both chambers of Congress,” according to a Boehner aide.
But the most significant development appeared to be the emerging consensus that any final agreement would have to emerge from the Senate. That deal would necessarily require a “bipartisan approach,” according to the office of McConnell, the Republican leader in the upper chamber.
Among the major sticking points, senior Democratic aides told NBC’s Kelly O’Donnell, involve the income threshold at which tax rates would be allowed to rise and the level at which estates are taxed.
Boehner’s failed effort last week to push through a fallback plan with only Republican votes laid bare the internal GOP divisions after conservatives balked at supporting a plan from the speaker to allow tax rates to rise on income over $1 million.
The unsuccessful effort suggested that Boehner would need to lean upon Pelosi for Democratic votes if a deal -- which has eluded Obama and Congress for the better part of the last two years -- is to pass.
A Senate-led agreement, though, faces no surefire guarantee of passage in the House.
“The speaker told the president that if the Senate amends the House-passed legislation and sends back a plan, the House will consider it -- either by accepting or amending,” Boehner’s aide emailed reporters.
One of the biggest sticking points in the fiscal cliff negotiations has been which income level ought to be required to pay additional taxes. On Friday, Democratic and Republican leaders met for an hour at the White House. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.
The protracted stalemate between Obama-led Democrats and congressional Republicans had prompted Friday's last-ditch meeting at the White House. It lasted just over an hour, and included Vice President Joe Biden and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner.
Sources familiar with the meeting said that Obama made no new offer to Republicans, urging them to hold an up-or-down vote on a Democratic proposal to preserve existing tax rates for income under $250,000 and extend unemployment benefits (among other unresolved issues).
It’s that very proposal which Obama said he would ask Reid to advance should he and McConnell fail to strike a deal.
“I believe such a proposal could pass both houses with bipartisan majorities, as long as those leaders actually allow it to come to a vote,” he said.
Republicans had previously rejected such a proposal, but could feel pressure to relent to administration pressure in order to forestall across-the-board tax hikes in just a few days. The source familiar with the meeting told NBC's Peter Alexander and Kristen Welker that Obama asked Republicans what they would be willing to support, if not that proposal.
Amid negotiations toward a final deal, the House was set to return to Washington on Sunday at Boehner’s request, and remain at work through Jan. 2 -- the final day before the 112th Congress concludes and the next batch of lawmakers are sworn into office.
In the meanwhile, Obama voiced frustration toward the repeated pattern in Congress these past few years of lurching from crisis to crisis before reaching a last-minute deal to stave off catastrophe.
“The American people are watching what we do here. Obviously, their patience is already thin. This is deja vu all over again,” Obama said. “America wonders why, for some reason, in this town you can’t get stuff done in an organized timetable ... The American people are not going to have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy.”
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When will the white trash bigots in the Grand Old TeaParty understand that they lost the Nov. election along with what little credibility they think they have. Time to call it a day... dummies.
Obama has caused this, without massive spending cuts were doomed. Unions are more like the mafia than helping the workers-just skimming money out of my check and not do a damn thing
Eagle, you post nonsense. Never any facts or substance. Shouldn't you be watching Strawberry Shortcake or something on Disney?
So sad, djo_34 crying about how his slimy party of Fear and Hate lost.
You should be spending more time on your Hitler will rise again blog.
Poor sad djo_34, the jig is up, so whine, snivel, lie and cry all you want.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. ha, ha, ha...
One thing I regret here is that I probably will not be able to see the horrified look of abject devastation on the faces of those like eagle when even they, FINALLY realize just what they voted for in November!
The GOP was so dang sure they would win the WH and get a majority in the Senate, that since Nov, they have been simply running around like chickens with their heads cut off.
One area Ann Romney was correct....
"You people know all you need to know." She was spot on and that is why Mitt lost...we knew what we needed to know.
And a big Thanks to that fat scumbag Rove for telling his Party of Fear and Hate that they would win in a landslide, ha, ha, ha...
i wonder what part of 'You Lost" the GOP/Tea Party/NRA don't understand.
Lefty...
You simply lack the ability and integrity to accept the fact that the GOP is dying...a painful death....Get over yourself, you are NOT that important!
You are so frustrated you cannot post without being a name-caller! Shame on you!
Obama won by a narrow 3% margin, meanwhile republicans were overwhelmingly returned to the house. If anyone has a mandate it is they.
Valhalla Phil,
Listen to the stupidity of your statement. Congressional representatives represent each one of their districts. A nd there are many districts within a state. A President represents the majority of the Nation. Senators represent each State according to electoral stats of multiple districts.
Obviously......it is Represenatives who represent the smallest demographic compared to Senators or a President by their district, individually. Go back to school.....again. You are truly stupid.
Valhalla....
The GOP LOST seats in both houses...the HOUSE and the SENATE, and lost the White House in a 332-206 landslide....The Electoral College is the ONLY result that matters.
The Democrats received an OVERWHELMING mandate! Now, go read how silly your post was!
Obama and Democrats have leverage, based on the president's reelection last month and Democrats' gains in the House and Senate in the new Congress. In addition, polls consistently show majority support for Obama's position on taxes, and Democrats insist the House would pass the president's plan with Democrats joined by some Republicans if Boehner allowed a vote on it.
All this has fueled disdain for politicians by many Americans. Such contempt is deserved, said Rep. Steven LaTourette, an Ohio Republican, who is retiring from Congress.
"I think America should be embarrassed by its leadership in D.C.," he told CNN on Friday. "The fact that we have been unable to do things, and instead worried about our next elections. ... I think it's sinful."
You are the only one with a crackwhore, Lefty.
The rest of us respect our women.
Yes, you are sound asleep mentally. You are a true Mental Pauper.
@ RightisIgnorant (leftisfacist),
Don't even go there. It's the GOP who out spends the Democrats from the expnditure of unfunded Coporate tax cuts and unfunded wars while they strictly push austerity measures on everyone except the top 2% income earners........
Federal Deficit FY 2009 (July 2008- July 2009) as; Bush left office Jan 2009 was at $1.4 trillion.
Federal Deficit FY 2013 (July 2012- July 2013) with 4 years of Obama in office is projected at $901 billion.
This is a decrease in Federal deficit of $499 billion from FY 2009 compared to FY 2013.......
These are US Gov't spending.com figures (undisputable).....
I don't know why the GOP hasn't gotten the memo (Federal Deficit figures) yet.......unfunded coporate tax cuts/unfunded wars are expenditures, Idiots !!!!!
clinton got rid of glass-spegal...it opened the door for all the wall street speculation and he started the movement of jobs over-seas...the republicans can't thank him enough. and now obama has let his goldman sachs buddies off the hook...as maggie thatcher said..."the problem with socialism is that you run out of others people's money to spend."
Is President Obama optimistic that the debt ceiling will be free to rise? Or is President Obama optimistic that the middle class will accept the 2% tax hike?
Obama really doesn't care here, he's in a win-win situation! His actual prefrence is that the sequestration take effect, as long as he can keep his coven of useful idiots believing it's the Republicans that are causing it! It will bring his agenda to fruitiation somewhat faster. However he'll take a Boehner-Republican surrender to his idiotic tax increase mantra. Either way the Economy suffers even further. Unemployment will once again begin to rise, as businesses begin to close, downsize and relocate offshore!
Most of these poor delusional folks believe Obama is refering to the 1%ers in the American Community, he's definatly NOT! He is refering to the 1%ers in his much beloved "World Community" and even the most humble of Americas' Welfare Queens falls well within that 1% !
Liberals will completely thwart a deal unless held responsible. By doing nothing they get to kill the Bush tax cuts which they've always hated, they get to gut the military which they've always hated and they get to blame it all on republicans which they've always hated.
And the radical left propaganda outlets like MSDNC are there to back them up.
Valhalla Phil,
I can tell you're still grieving from the 2012 GOP election loss. That's too bad. Take some Tums or have a Martini. The only one who truly hates the military is Ron Paul. Eventhough he utilized a Gov't program like the GI Bill after serving in the Air Force for education expenses to become a Doctor. It is he who hates the military and Gov't programs. Democrats fought for better GI Bill funding in 2010-2011-2012. Therefore, your assertion Democrats hate the military they fought to better fund within it's military programs makes no sense.....it's ridiculous.
Next, it is the GOP themselves who legislated the Bush Coporate tax cuts of 2001 to expire after 10 years. Democrats did not vote for that. It was the GOP who stated by promoting their idea those Coporate tax cuts were meant to be temporary for spurring a National US economy. But Grover Norquist's proposition proved to be a failure thus making the GOP Party a failure. This is proven by today's federal deficits 12 years after those unfunded coporate tax cuts which were US expenditures.........
And don't try to argue against it. The Federal deficits are mathematical facts on graphs. It's undisputable.......
the republicans gave the election to obama...now obama will give the republicans the house and the senate and a gop president in the next election
Remember how long it took Flip Romney to concede defeat to Obama. What was it, 2hrs after everybody else in the country knew the Party of Fear and Hate were done like dinner.
Maybe the GOP/Tea Party/ NRA are in a time warp, or maybe they are just dumb, but hopefully they will soon figure out 'They Lost' ha, ha, ha, ha, ha...
Any of you white trash bigots know if God phoned Boehner yet?
Romney, much like George W, are both non-persons in the GOP....They want nothing to do with either one of them....who can blame them?
Speaking of non-persons in the Party of Fear and Hate. How about this short collection of losers.
BS Barbie Palin
Pray away the Gay Bachmann
WTF Perry
Gee, i wonder why they LOST ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha...
America doesn't wonder why. America has painfully watched the D.C. version of Groundhog Day; each new day wondering if President Obama has learned that his divisiveness used to win power actually cost him his ability to lead.
So much for the promise of bipartisanship.
MJ,
Obama acts as if he is not part of the DC establishment and not part of the problem. I get a kick out of hearing him preach about Americans wonder why for some reason stuff cannot get done in DC....as if he is some innocent bystander. When, in fact next to d-bag Reid he is the biggest obstacle of all. What an idiot.
He is divisive and no leader. He is not trustworthy to keep his committments and this is why it is so hard to get things done. Time to go over the cliff. The middle class is going to get completely crushed ccourtesy of what they voted for (and they do not even know it). Would suck to be in the middle class right now. The good thing is that they will hopefully know better after the next four years (you would thing the first four years of Obama's economy would have been enough).
Good luck middle class!
Truth Conveyor,
Your more like the Truth slayer. The middle class and poor (collectively) are the biggest demographic by far in this country. Obama has done nothing to divide this demographic. It is Republicans who claim he's divisive as a phony rationalization for refusing to compromise with him.
In the end....the GOP is destroying themselves by being more concerned about Primary challenges from within their own Tea Party ( a losing ideology for the future) for compromising with Obama selected by the majority of the Country ( the majority of America). It's easy to see the "hand writing on the wall" if one is politically smart with that failing strategy. The GOP is toast the next twenty years.......in large part because of their own poltical stupidity.. Not by showing blockage of acheivements.
You politically build concensus within a Party by a resume showing acheivements
Tony,
The middle class is getting destroyed by Obama's policies and many of you are to short sighted to see it. Seriously, do you really think that raising taxes on 2% of the population is going to solve the debt crises? I understand if you are envious of those more financially successful than you, but the fact remains that irresponsible government spending is the problem.
You see, Tony, nothing is for free. Any cost impact to companies is simply passed on to the consumer or the company reduces costs (i.e, layoffs) in order to continue function and maintain profitabilty.
In terms of the so-called radical Tea Partiers, it simply boggles the mind that something as fundamental as not spending more than we take in can be so controversial. I have no idea why this simple principle is wrought with political heartache. You see Tony, your comment represents everything that is wrong about politically brainwashed people such as yourself. Specifically, not every decision that is made in DC should be about how it works politically (we saw what happended to many Dems who voted for Obamacare in the 2010 election. They are all doing something else courtesy of the Tea Party, BTW). To dumb it down for you, if we bring in $1 and spend $2 dollars, then we will run massive deficits. This is what our people in DC led by the current POTUS do. Most grown ups do not behave this way.
One other thing, the House is controlled by the Republican party. They too are part of the government. The people voted them in. There votes count. To follow your "logic", Obama should compromise with them as they have a mandate to safeguard the peoples money. That is how most responsible adults interpret the election results.
BTW, as a Hispanic American I am still waiting for the POTUS to bring forth comprehensive immigration reform as he committed to five years ago. I also thought the POTUS was supposed to represent all Americans and not just the middle class. Obviously all of those that make over $250K are evil.
I hope you're Dad is not in the middle class as your family will continue to get decimated under the Obama leadership. Enjoy the rest of you holiday break and best of luck with the balance of fifth grade. I can tell by your reasoning that you are probably getting B's in your fifth grade class.
The Prez is scared
He needs a deal; otherwise, going off the cliff will show that he put this plan in motion; these are his new taxes hitting us.
Let the American people really see what his leadership has produced. An even bigger mess than what we've had for four years.
Do not compromise with some lame ineffective short-term deal that just pushes off the problem
Let the Democrats feel what they did; reality; the Democratic voters will be hurt the most.
wrong pepi...the Military contractors will be the biggest casualty of Boehners/McConnells gross incompetence.
Its totally hilarious how the Party of Fear and Hate bite off the hands that feed them.
What are the "new" taxes on January 1? They are the OLD taxes, that were cut TEMPORARILY by George W, going back to the rate they were! They are not Obama's...he has offered to extend them...they are the Bush Tax Cuts expiring!
For you Repubs that have problems understanding, try this. Pretend you own an electric lamp. You plug that lamp into an EXTENSION cord...does it become a pillow? Or a soup pot? Or a sweater? No, it is still a lamp! Got it?
The GOP is in such panic that the public will discover they have been obstructing....SURPRISE, the public already KNOWS. You guys bought this, you own it.
To quote the great George Carlin: "Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things!" Bonehead and McTurtlehead are sweating badly.....
pepsik,
The GOP is scared....not the Prez. The GOP is scared of the Tea Party. The Prez isn't scared of anyone or anything. He just won the election. If we go over the Fiscal Cliff......taxes are going up on those making over $250 k per year like 70% of America wanted instead of the bargain Obama offered Boehner for no rise in taxes except for those making over $400 k per year. Wow.....Boehner has great negotiation skills at getting what Republicans want....along with his failing Plan B Bills......LMAO.
Go get your GED Diploma.........
if we go over the cliff.....taxes go up on EVERYONE (the 47% will become the 10% as this entitled group is forced to finally contribute a share). Additionally, the 2 million+ people on extended unemployment benefits will see them end on Jan. 2nd. .....It will be nice to see the 47%, Obama's core supporters, be forced to contribute a little.....
Pepsi,
you are so correct. The middle class is in the midst of getting screwed by Obama. Many of them truly believe if taxes go up on the richest 2% that it will solve our problems. The real money resides with the middle class (i.e, the other supposed 98%). Obama has already pushed through Obamacare taxes to them that they will shortly feel. Up next will be increased income taxes. They do not know it yet, but they are toast.
They can course correct in the next election but they are screwed the next four years....unofrtunately.
2% won't feel fiscal cliff, GOP/2% know the other 98% will. This is punishment for electing O. Love of country, Patriots, I don't think so. Now we have "class warfare". GOP in House and Senate only care about how constituents in their districts vote. Not America or Americans. . Tail (Tea Party) wagging the dog. GOP = losers. GOP follows the voters attention span. Which for most Americans who vote is three months. GOP betting you WILL forget in two years. Contact your Rep in both houses and don't stop. GOP feels they don't have to listen. This is not about D or R. This is about American families and America. I for one do not want to live on my knees while GOP/2% slice and dice our country. Stand Up America!
R usa
Are you one of those folks that blame President Bush for all those tax cuts, for everyone, but will blame the Republicans for losing those cuts?
You one of those people who believe Bush didn't. Find that rock.
It turns out that those in the group with the top 3% of incomes now pay a record high 52% of all individual federal income tax revenue. That is more than the entire group of the bottom 97%. This is not and should not be about who can "afford" to pay more. It is about EVERYBODY but the poor contributing to the cost of government. It is easy to keep asking for more and more benefits from government when you don't have to pay for those benefits. When just about everyone has to pay for those benefits, you can bet they will dial down what they request from our legislators and we can begin to get federal spending under control.
A lot words, best surmised as Malarkey, Next
Ah...I see now, Peter. They prefer to be poor in order to avoid paying taxes. That's one of the most idiotic things you've ever written on here. Is that for Romney's entire 47%?
By the way, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
R usa
Didn't what?
Peter17,
According to you....the bottom 47% pay nothing in taxes and the top 3% pay 57% in taxes. You're full of it.........
MJ CT....You asked the question and forgot that fast? "Didn't what?" ROFL!!! You are senile from 1241.1 to 1241.5...........
Tonytellsthetruth
Peter17,
The bottom 47% does not pay any federal income taxes.
Say What?-809562
Thank you for your useless contribution. But I'm still at a loss as to what Tony was referring. Can you infer from the context of his reply to my comment? Or did you just feel the impulse to spew hateful comments?
M.J-CT,
The bottom 47% (unless disabled) does pay Federal taxation (witholding), State taxation (deductions), and payroll deductions. Even Immigrants pay Federal Taxation when working in the US......
Tonytellsthetruth
Though there may be Federal Tax witholding, the 47% would receive that as a refund. The 47% may pay local, state, SST, and/or more, but they do not pay federal income taxes.
MJ CT....I gave you the post numbers, go back and read them !!!
My comments can be found here:
http://ayearningforpublius.wordpress.com/2012/12/29/obama-to-congress-the-hour-for-immediate-action-is-here-it-is-now/
No! No! No … Mr. Obama. the hour for action was more like four years ago!
Yes, four years ago, prior to the first of your 4 trillion dollar plus budget deficits going on to 4 more and beyond.
Yes, four years ago when you and the Congress should have been producing budgets and then trying your level best to live within them.
Yes, four years ago when you started spending with an open checkbook using a series of “continuing resolutions”, a device which allows continuing spending with no budget or accountability.
Yes, four years ago when you started raising your Bush inherited debt from $10 trillion to $11 trillion to $12 trillion to $13 trillion to $14 trillion to $15 trillion to $16 trillion soon to be $17 trillion and beyond to $20 or $24 trillion by the end of your second term.
Yes, four years since you began the blaming and demonization of everyone but yourself for this mess the nation finds itself in.
Yes, four years since you began the destruction of the economic futures and opportunities of my grandchildren.
Yes, four years since you began the gutting and hollowing out of our defense capability.
Yes, four years since you began enabling the establishment of an Islamic Caliphate from Pakistan to Tunisia and beyond.
Yes, four years … four long years, and now “the hour for immediate action is here? It is now?” I agree with you Mr. President! “the hour for immediate action is here. It is now. It is time for impeachment. It is time for resignation. It is time for a massive uprising of concerned citizens against you”
A yearning for Publius,
I'll be the first to tell you.....you're full of sh*t. Your cut and paste blogging answers all the wrong questions. As a matter of fact....it answers NO relevant questions.
If we refer to blog entry # 1234.5 above....we may note who exploded the Federal deficit once Clinton (2000) left the White House with a zero federal deficit after issuing line item veto of Newt Gingrich's provisions 15-34 (unfunded Coporate tax cuts) in HR 2014 (Balanced Budget Act) on 8-11-97 potentially becoming unfunded expenditures then becoming eliminated. Afterwards, our zero Federal deficit blew up to $1.4 trillion after 8 years of unfunded coporate tax cuts/two unfunded wars.
Prior to 1980's....we had no large Federal deficits. Large Federal deficits only started occuring after post Reagan era unfunded Coporate tax cuts-two unfunded wars..........
case closed............and so is your GOP party........
President Clinton might have a budget surplus or two, arguable as to his use of the SST surplus in his "arithmetic"; but he never left the WH paying off the federal debt.
A yearning for Publius,
By the way, US debt at $16.4 trillion is all American citizen debt to creditors within the country collectively and backed by Federal Securities redeemable upon fiancial crisis. It is the American citizen who first incurs debt then backed by Securities from Investors, as insurance to Creditors of payment in the event of bankruptcy from the payee. It's called, Capitalism....hello? The Consitution does not grant Gov't authority to limit individual American citizen decisions to purchase and owe Creditors. The US debt is not reflective of any particular Presidential administration, directly. But the Federal deficit (presently at $901 billion) is reflective of US Gov't spending during a particular Presidential administration. And Federal deficits trigger greater spending by Investors to guarantee Public debt payment.
M.J.-C.T.
Federal deficit is NOT Public debt.......there's a difference.
Tony
You better hope that Obama can save the public school system; your GED is worht the price of admission.
Maybe we can pay for you to go back to school
Nice spelling pepi. Maybe you should go back to school.
BTW pepi - Do you know if God phoned Boner yet?
pepsik-7541203,
I'm already finished with school, Bozo. Class of 2002 U.C.L.A. Graduate in Nursing. I guess your statement is an admission of some self fulfilled prophecy. Don't worry......I know you can acheive a G.E.D diploma, eventually. Just make sure no flammable liquids are near the classroom when you take the test. With your brain straining.....I'm sure fellow students will probably smell wood burning.......
The President has to continue to deal with "Teabegger Mental Patients." The GOP/Teabeggers are not only Cognitively Disabled! They have cornered the market on Mental Illness. Take notes America! Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! The Party Of NO has got to go!!
Progressive -
"They have cornered the market on Mental Illness."
Then you must be a Teabegger Mental Patient...
D-10.. Why are the GOP and tea stains ALL so cranky after they lost in NOV? I know, they were delusional and thought Mittens would win and they would now control the Senate, but still!
Ah yes, the GOP haters are spewing their venom as if the election was this coming week! They spit out their lies and attacks as fast as they can....PepsiK, MJ CT, Dee 10, Peter17, they are all here!! They get so wound up in what they must get out of inside their spinning minds that they fulfill the great prophecy of our beloved Yogi Berra:
"It was impossible to get a conversation going, everybody was talking too much."
The election was last month, and the REALITY is that Mittens lost big, and the GOP lost a number of seats in both the House and Senate.
The voters don't like the GOP plans and ideas!
Yeah we want free sh*t, and we want someone else to pay for it... Waahh...
What a mature posting, Wilman! 5th grade?
Reality for Democrats hurts, doesn't it?
You have no grip on reality....how would you know what hurts?
When Chinese tourists come to America, and buy souvenirs, do they get upset when they read "Made in China" stamped onto the souvenirs?
And there we have it,another rabbid repuke,spewing hate and lies,,
"Rabid Repuke" spewing hate... Really?
You must be a real man on that Harley, riding around with your fat friends in formation, with your leather vests, and your little American flags, making all those manly noises, on your big bad bikes, made in the US of A.
You would probably pee your pants if you ever had to go over 40 mph.
Big Bad Wilman (Wilma?) has spoken....he had to put his false teeth in first, however.
Harley, you better listen to Wilman.....he/she knows everything there is to know about everything there is to know about.
Wilman barks loud, but promises not to bite (unless asked to)
Eithe way,in a few weeks we have a real issue to deal with,,the debt ceiling
Just keep raising it, as long as Obama gets to raise the tax on those earning over $250,000 a year everything will be all better...
Harleyguyvet
Try Monday. Mr. Geithner will use his expertise to buy extra time, but we can't raise the ceiling fast enough to escape global ridicule.
The EU must have really been impressed when Mr. Geithner went over there to guide them through the difficulties we created.
Predictions,
All tea bagger Taliban gone bye 2020
All GOP god for guns and rape ass holes gone,,,
Assult weapons and 30 round mags,,gone
Dems control both houses and the white house
Hillary 2016
Eithe way,the debt ceiling is the real cliff,,lmao
All must be done ASAP.Tax increases,spending cuts,Simpson Bowles,ect
Wil women
You got a problem with Harley riders?You think you would run your mouth face to face with a hard core vets boy?
Wilman will reply as soon as he changes his undies.
Can you introduce us to one?
Careful, MJ....you might just get your wish....LOL!!!!
I thought the whole point of the election was we all wanted to pay more taxes. Why all the sudden upset at a cliff?
Doug Brockmanvia Facebook
Outstanding, post, MJ CT....well thought out, and brilliantly worded!
THIS JUST IN!!!
President Obama has announced his full support for OXYGEN!
Republicans across the nation are suffocating themselves by the thousands!!
...and democrats are lining up wondering when the government will give them some of this oxygen for free!
hardlyavet, still spreading your pearls of wisdom, LMAO!!!
Gary K...we all know what YOU spread, and it is NOT wisdom! ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!