He might get more accomplished if he convened the House democrats, and told the House GOPTP to stay home for the holidays. That being said, nothing like passing a bill at 11:59 PM on 12/31/12 and then blaming the Senate for failing to pass the bill before the year-end deadline.

I can't believe the smirk on the face of Eric Cantor. I do not believe in Evil. But if it exists... probably it looks quite close to that smirk.

Looking at the pictures of Republican House leaders, they seem so proud of themselves. Positively beaming, as if they'd killed bin Laden, or saved the auto industry, or won an election, instead of furthering the country down the road to recession. I look more serious after playing two hours of Words w Friends. That game furroughs my brow. These guys are supposed to be negotiating to prevent our going over the cliff. Why are these men SMILING? Smiling? More like smirking, almost ready to giggle. Jerks.

"We've done our job, it's up to the Senate to act," Boehner said. Let me tell you bone head, your boy Donald Trump would fire your ass if you made such a statement to him! There is no way in hell any - repeat - ANY of you Repteallians have "done our job" unless you mean the little brown ones in the white ceramic bowl! and even that is problematical!!!!!

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, notified lawmakers that the House would come to order at 6:30 p.m. ET on Sunday

Sounds more like a "pre-New Year's Eve Party," to me. Tax payer funded Champagne and Hors d'oeuvres for every republican who makes it.

Nothing happening there but a good time...at taxpayer expense.

1funnygirl

"as if they killed bin Laden" - Obama told us, and often, that he pulled the trigger (in his own mind).

Child, back away from FOX news. Can you show any proof the President said "He" killed bin Laden?

P.S. Your moniker makes sense...LOL I get it, you're a commedian

ANY of you Repteallians have "done our job" unless you mean the little brown ones in the white ceramic bowl!

LOL! That's the truth. And what is the point of calling them back when most of them aren't going to change their vote? They want no compromise. They expect to be allowed to lead on this issue less than two months after getting beaten up in a national election. It's a farce! It's a joke! It's a circus! All in one! But that's modern Republicanism.

Hard to believe they still have their defenders but delusion has no easy cure. And as deluded as their supporters have proven themselves they probably won't lose much of that support.

House republicans seem determined to destroy this country. They certainly try often enough. The blame lies squarely with them and no one else. The senate majority, the President and the PEOPLE agree that the tax cuts should NOT be extended for those making over $250K per year. They also agree that SSI and Medicare should not be cut. House republicans need to bend to the majority instead of making the rest of us suffer so they can keep getting campaign funding and other payoffs from millionaires. Dems should not give ONE INCH!

Republicans sent a renew of the 2010 bill to the Senate back in August. Still no action on it in the Senate.

If Plan "C" is anything like Plan "B" Obama will veto IF the Senate even passes it, If, the House even it passes the House.

Something sounds awful familiar here.

armurray,

What about the Senate bill passed on a bipartisian basis that Boehner won't introduce because he knows it will pass with more Democratic votes than Republicans?

"If the Senate will not approve these bills and send them to the president to be signed into law in their current form, they must be amended and returned to the House," Boehner told Republicans Thursday, according to a source on the call. "Once this has occurred, the House will then consider whether to accept the bills as amended, or to send them back to the Senate with additional amendments. The House will take this action on whatever the Senate can pass -- but the Senate must act."

Good hell, Boehner, thanks for the CIVICS lesson. I noticed a few verbs in your statement like "take action." Took you awhile to spew that one out! Also noted that the Senate must NOT make any changes or they come back to your do nothing Congress to sit on for what ... you've had almost two months after the election to get this far - and are now stating if they don't ... what another two months?

Good grief!!!

I so hope you lose your Speakership.

John, the country is sooo done with you, your party, and your brainwashed supporters.

Vote every republican out of every office every chance you get.

Hello folks, in the long run nothing will happen if we go over the "fiscal cliff". The middle class and poor will end up paying the ever increasing bill. The "fiscal cliff" is a ruse being used to implement austerity on the middle class and poor to give more to the rich. It's a game!

The banksters whose recklessness and illegal behavior caused this terrible recession are now lecturing the American people on the need for courage to deal with the nation’s finances and deficit crisis. Before telling us why we should cut Social Security, Medicare and other vitally important programs, these CEOs might want to take a hard look at their responsibility for causing the deficit and this terrible recession.

Our economy is based on debt. The Fractional Reserve Banking System relies on debt and if we didn't have any debt in the system there wouldn't be any "money" in the system. In other words our 16 plus trillion and our 1 plus trillion yearly deficit are required and a byproduct to prop up and maintain this evil Federal Reserve system. That is why 85 billion dollars of monopoly money is being pumped into the economy monthly to prop up the banks to perpetuate the illusion that our economy is solvent. That is why the 1.4 quadrillion derivatives casino market is allowed. To give this failed system the illusion that it is liquid. If the powers that be would allow a bank to go bankrupt they would have to attach a price on their assets that they have leveraged 100 to 1 and re-hypothecated to all the other major banks the banks would fall like dominoes. The people in the position and in the know understand that this is all a game and are wealthy beyond reproach. The only reason this system has survived is for two reasons, the petrodollar and because when you and I exchange a dollar we give it legitimacy. If either of these two factors collapse so will the dollar, nothing is backing it up because it is meaningless it is debt.

If we paid/gave every dollar the entire world has back to the consortium of mostly European banksters who created this monopoly money out of thin air we would still be in debt because they didn't put the interest attached to every dollar into the economic system in the form of currency. Therefore there will always be debt and it will grow and has grown exponentially and as a result creates debt slaves out of us all and the powers that be know this. So it doesn't matter if we raise the debt ceiling under this system because the dollar is the world reserve currency and we can "print ourselves out of debt" as long as the world is willing to deal with the inflation our printing inflicts on their economy. They along with the middle class and poor are the ones who are footing the bill for our debt.

The bottom line is that the banksters/Federal Reserve hold the true power in the world and as long as we don't recognize and reveal the man behind the curtain we will be consigned to the Merry Ole Land of Oz and be relegated to more and more austerity. It is only beginning!

P.S. And to you Republican Democrat blame gamers unless you are in the top 1% they keep you divided and distracted while screwing you equally!

Help! Ive fallen and I can't get up!

Please can the president, the democrats, the senate, can anybody help me up, my own party members in the house just keep stepping over me, except for Eric, that little bastard just keeps stepping on me. Where is my gavel, I want my gavel, HELL NO I can't get up, it's about JOBS, JOBS, JOBS, we have a spending problem I tell you, Grover help me up will you buddy. It's my party and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to, cry if I want to, you would cry to if it happened to you. John Boehner from the FLOOR of the House.

John Boehner and his group seem to be really good at holding us all hostage. Take the issue of the day down to the last seconds . . Remember the debt ceiling fiasco last year anyone ?

Every Republican house member and Senator should hold their head in shame. This should have been done months ago. They should have known Mitt Mittens Romney was never going to be elected POTUS, and they caught with their pants down.

Troy,

Read a little..All polls show the Right will be blamed for the fiscal cliff for the desire to NEVER COMPROMISE ON ANYTHING..

Can't blame me... I voted against all incumbents.

Plan "C"... Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.

Who needs the Comedy Channel?

armurray - nope, the house turned that option down. Won't allow ANY taxes to be raised . None. Zip Nada Zilch!

dbakron..........

the Senate passed a budget bill this summer. the house has refused to vote on it.

ARMURRAY,

Where are you getting your facts? Boehner couldn't even get the votes in the House to agree to raise taxes on those that make a million dollars or more..Please, an education is a valuable thing..And, Obama has compromised on what you call entitlements..Why is it an entitlement when I have paid into it my whole working life? It's not an "entitlement", but it's my insurance policy..

If we go over the fiscal "curb" Obama gets what he needs.

If the GOP (pronounced goober) puts up a plan that is good for 90% of hard working americans, Obama gets what he needs.

Win Win

"If anything positive comes out of this melodrama, I hope it's Boehner losing his Speaker-ship!

"I so hope you lose your Speakership."

....and that gavel. That f***ing BIG gavel the rat-bastard just HAD to have.

armurry......

boner couldn't get them to agree on taxing $1 million and over. get up off the couch and change the channel. obviously you are watching to much fox 'the national enquirer ' news.

Cheese and crackers got all muddy. Sunday? Monday is New Year's Eve which means they will turn right around and go home Monday afternoon. What in the world is the matter with these GOP clowns? Why didn't Boehner tell them last Thursday night to be back today? Even if they couldn't get their act together on the fiscal cliff, they could have passed the Farm Bill (the Senate already did); we could be looking at reverting to 1930's and 1947 laws which will sky rocket the price of milk. Economists predict as much as $7 or even $8 per gallon.

Nothing like a GOPTP to inflict another preventable wound on the U.S. economy. Once there was a time when republicans would never have allowed this to happen; now it seems the GOPTP is determined to create catastrophe and then claim it wasn't their fault. Never in all my years of following politics have I seen one party so inept and destructive as the GOPTP is today.

ARMMURRAY, no they did NOT agree to that; Boehner and his GOPTP walked away from that offer from President Obama and decided to try their own Plan B. Boehner's Plan B that failed last Thursday evening which sent republicans running for the hills would have raised taxes only on those making $1 million or more per year.

Brad Cantor,

The $400k number was the last number reportedly offered by Boehner during discussions with Obama (from the now famous "I get that for free" line).

The million dollar number was the Plan B that was put to vote in the House and rejected because the spending cuts that were part of the bill weren't acceptable to the Republicans since they didn't take effect for several years.

Regarding entitlements, the compromise offered by Boehner was to take your "insurance policy" away from those very people you want to raise taxes on... I guess even by your definition, it would then be an entitlement since it will be paid for by people who can't use it.

A small civics lesson would probably be useful for Boehner here since he can't seem to recall how things work.

"Section 7 – Revenue Bills, Legislative Process, Presidential Veto

All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

It doesn't say MUST, or WILL, is says 'MAY'. If the Senate doesn't take up the bill, the onus falls onto the house to create a new bill. The bill sent to the Senate was already DOA before it arrived and Boehner knows that. He needs to listen to the MAJORITY and tax the rich. Anything else is a disservice to the American public. Stop honoring your pledge to some billionaire and instead do what you were voted into office to do. Represent your constituents. One person does not equal your constituents. The majority does, and in this case they've spoken clearly.

TAX THE RICH like the rest of us have been paying more. Even the GOP has admitted the rich are being taxed at lower than normal rates right now. Get rid of bull@!$%# tax rates for dividends, which is what the majority of the Rich use for income. It's time they started paying their fair share during this recession. Stop dog piling on the poor because they haven't bribed you.

In other words, DO YOUR JOB.

JUST SAY NO!!! JUST SAY NO!!!.....It's time for Americans to be told "no" and pay your bills.

It's time for Americans to be financially frugal. Stop the spending. Stop the insanity. The party's over and the bill was just received in the mail.

Pay your bills, Govt. Govt just got put on credit hold. I hope the world downgrades our debt because that's the only way people learn....Make it hurt.

Can anyone believe this clown? Nearly two weeks ago, he walked out of negotiations with the Presdient to pursue his own bill. When his bill failed spectacularly, he folded his tent and told the House to go home. Now he says "we have done our job?" Really?

Brad,

You are naive. I bet you don't play much chess....I peg you for checkers.

I don't see it that way. Initially, it is probable since we have a nation of low information voters who worship rather than participate.

But when the poor people begin to suffer greatly, 2 million people currently on unemployment suddenly don't get a check next week, capital gains taxes go through the roof, the population finds out that Obamacare is going to cost 10 times the estimate and estate "death" taxes jump ridiculously that will pretty much cover the whole population....and we will truly have an obamanation.

People will at some point start to wonder why the White House didn't at least negotiate SOMETHING! By that time the damage will be done and in 2014 the Dems will be losing some seats in the house and senate. They can then proceed to make Obama look entirely useless....as if he needs help.

Look, I don't care either way...I'm back here with the indys just dying for your parties to destroy any hopes of ever getting back any respect from the population so we can gain enough power to rid our great Republic of both of your useless and ineffective parties. But if I had to choose, I'd choose the Pubs any day over this socialist foodstamp President.

Let's see - Boehner calls the House Republicans back. What are the chances they'll show? After all, he can't get them to follow him on anything why does he think they will now? Or, is it possible their consituents got to them during the Christmas break and told them to get the a**es back to work and get things done or else? We shall see!

DJ-422465,

All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives

As in all federal codes, the word shall is very specific and is the same as must. If it was a suggested method, they would have used the word "should"

So, Paws,

I take it you're NOT willing to pay for the military, police, fire, rescue. IOW, you're NOT willing to pay for anything as long as it's not an inconvienence to YOU.

It's WAY past time for taxes to be raised to raise revenue to run the country. Or are you only interested in what YOU want and ignore the rest regardless of who/what gets hurt?

I for one, am tired of all the drama that surrounds our legislators doing their job. This is all uncalled for. There is just no good reason that all of our representatives should not be able to sit down and do their jobs without all of the posturing that they seem to like to do. They are playing politics instead of doing what we send them to Washington to do. Legislate!

Unfortunately a big reason they do this is for media coverage and to try to win talking points and elections. It really is out of hand. I wish there were some simple steps to fix this, and the only one that quickly comes to mind is killing the filibuster.

And all the drama around the cliff. If we go off the cliff the world won't end. There will be plenty of time to introduce new legislation to change what was agreed to in the cliff. We need our politicians to grow up.

Really did all you partisans expect something different than you are showing on this blog? You all had your chance to vote out the incumbents and you FAILED...just like the current group of legislators from all parties.

You all got what you voted for.

Just wait until you find out what is inside the ACA bill for you and your companies this year...and it continues until President Obama is retired in Hawaii laughing at all of us.

Next

I think people should be careful what they wish for; in this case the wish that Boehner lose his speakership. If Boehner loses he could be replaced by that smirking prik Eric Cantor.

And Feisty, maybe you should cut Johnny Boy a little slack on the drinking thing. I know that if I had to try to lead those house Republicans I would need to slam down a few drinks at the end of the day. Heck, I'd probably want to start the day with a few drinks!

Notsosure10 - you're also notsosmart. What a bunch of garbage your post is but it clearly shows how little information you have. Try again and this time at least make an effort to look a little saner.

Trustverify the debt ceiling will be upon us in the 1st quarter of 2013. If the Fed decides to increase the debt ceiling (print more petrodollars) our foreign creditors will interpret this as a default and quit buying American debt. This "Cliff" thing is just the calm before the storm these politicians will have to let taxes increase, cut entitlements and cut the American military to keep their positions for the short time they have left... One thing you will not hear is them cutting anything the pertains to the "Washington Fat Cats".!!

armurray, the question isn't whether the bill should originate in the House (they should). It refers to Boenhers mistaken idea that the Senate must act.

Specifically, this part:

"but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

It's time for everyone's taxes to go up! The House has already passed (months ago) legislation to prevent taxes from going up. Obama and Reid really want taxes to go up on you. Otherwise, they would have agreed to take up and pass and sign the House bill. Just remember that libs.

Paws,

If the world downgrades our credit it will cost more for us to pay off our debt.

So I guess what you're saying is that it's okay to put more burden on your children and grandchildren if it scores you political points today.

JK - you should refrain from commenting because you are talking about raising federal taxes to pay for local functions (police, fire, rescue). I bet you vote in federal elections... A perfect example of an uninformed voter... and we ask ourselves why we have what we have in Congress.

JKLD - I'm not willing to pay for robot squirrels, Pelosi's booze flights, Murtha airport, unnecessary military spending, loans to Solyndra, 16,000 new IRS agents, rebuilding Iraq or any other nation, etc etc.

There is so much waste in govt. There is plenty of opportunity for cuts.

I don't mind paying for roads, right-sized military, and the true functions of govt. However, the govt is spending with insanity and Obama is not willing to cut anything. As long as he's not willing to curtail spending, then don't raise my taxes.

COinFL - Obama's already bankrupted kids, grandkids, great grandkids with his SPENDING!!!! I don't care about political points or who does it because neither side is working for Americans.

What part of "it's a spending problem" do people not get? You can jack taxes to 100% and not cover the deficit....much less reduce any debt. Do the math...It's not hard.

Boehner calls House back to Washington on Sunday

Be careful there Bonehead Boner. They just might come with bags of stones, and I wouldn't blame them either.

It may be fun to bash the Tea party and Republicans but, the truth told, we should be kicking ourselves in the ass for allowing the Tea Party to take hold in the first place. So many Obama voters failed to return to the polls in 2010 that the fired up Republicans gave the Dems a huge spanking; a spanking that still stings!

A no show vote is a vote for the opposing side. Cuss as we will, in 2010 the Republicans did their part and voted...we are the ones that stayed home. We are the ones that took change for granted. Not trying to lecture or scold, just trying to remind folks that there are many cliffs from which one might fall. And in 2014 I hope we all remember the consequence of our own behavior as we get to the polls to finish the job we started in 2008.

Paws93 - you don't have a clue. President Obama has proposed many cuts - including to the Defense budget for items the Pentagon DOESN'T WANT - but Republicans refuse to go along. After all, these are THEIR supporters who will not get contracts for un-needed items!

armurray,

"Where is the complaining about the Senate?"

No one is complaining about the Senate because the Senate has a Democratic majority and is therefore, by definition, good. :)

SeekingSanity,

That is why the Republicans are in a pickle. Obama doesn't really care if we go over the cliff, because it include increased taxes and the only real cuts are to the military.

Where the Republicans really screwed up was in the original talks that are now becoming reality.

if Speaker Boehner lost his title, could the House stomach Eric Cantor? Could the country handle it? That's like replacing someone who is tone deaf with another who is completely deaf. Even the GOP Presidential candidate had a typical listening problem...

It remains sad that an election payback is two, far years away for the TP+GOP, but US and Constitutional Laws might bering some nights in jail for the worst prognosticators. Nixon tried it years ago but Obama is many notches above that activity. How about the lowly Capitol Police issuing warrants for treasonous disorderly conduct? Just thinking on how to nudge the a**wipes.

Everybody polarized, calling names, blaming everyone but themselves, crying about thier pet peeves, throwing tantrums, blustering, bullying, bluffing. And you thought I was talking about kindergarden......

If they can't get their job done in the months they had to take care of this with little more than a sweep of the pen to preserve the tax break for anyone under 250K, then of course they should have to come back on Sunday. Hope Boehner keeps them there 24 7 until they do their jobs. Of course guess who gets to pay the bill for all of them to have to fly back during the holidays and all the costs associated with that last minute booking. Well played folks. How fiscally responsible!

Oh well, paws is not willing to pay for things he doesn't like. Isn't that rich. The stupidest statement ever. There is a way you can avoid paying for things with tax money other than what you want. MOVE! Those such as yourself who incessantly belly-ache as if you are the sole source of funds for all things paid for with tax money are the epitome of ignorance.

And as far as blaming the senate. The senate is in session and ready to pass a bill. And all bills related to revenues must be initiated by the House. So all of this is squarely on the House. The senate can only amend a house bill. The president can only sign or veto a house bill. Neither can present or create a bill. That's why this is not happening. The house can't agree on anything.

Where the Republicans really screwed up was in the original talks that are now becoming reality.

Yes, they screwed up then, and they are screwing up now. This is what happens when politicians believe acting like a 2 year old is appropriate - "NO NO NO, I ME MINE". They painted themselves into a corner - and now they're huddled together watching the paint dry.

Hello to COinFL, Seeking, Feisty and The Gang...

The $400k number was the last number reportedly offered by Boehner during discussions with Obama

armurray: No, that was the compromise offer that *Obama* made, raising it from the $250k the Democrats originally wanted. Everyone thought that Boehner *might* agree to that compromise, but then instead he tried his "Plan B", for which he could not get support in his own party. It's a good offer, but Boehner has ignored it, because he's afraid of offering *any* tax increase. Which is silly, because now we're ALL gonna get tax increases!

As a point of clarification,

In the most recent discussions/vote, Boehner agreed to get taxes raised on income of $1million or more (Repubs wouldn't buy it), whereas Obama went from $250,000 to $400,000.

All the Dem supporters on here need to realize one thing. Just as you view the the GOP as uncompromising and want to blame them for this mess, you have to put equal blame on the Democratic side. The Dems want to say everyone has to have a tax increase, unless we can tax the rich more. The right says no one should have a tax increase.

Here's an idea, pass a bill that keeps everyone's taxes at their current rates permenantly like both sides want, execept build in a provisino that those making incomes over $250k will have their taxes increase in three months provided that the same amount of new revenue generated by the tax increase is accompanied by spending custs form any part of the government. But those spending cuts must be specified in the bill and not a promise to be enacted at a future date.

First, the Bush tax rates were a mistake, and should have never been voted in.

Second, the Republicans will NEVER vote to raise taxes - so they will wait till the Bush tax rates expire.

Third, The Democrats have no reason to avert the fiscal cliff - they get the end of the Bush tax rates and then they will get help from Republicans to pass a TAX CUT for most Americans.

Fourth, the GOP will get the blame for not compromising, and will lose the house in 2014.

That is the way it is going to happen, and there's nothing that can be done about it. The only question is, how much will the American middle class have to suffer for this?

As for Boehner - he can't go against the tea party and remain speaker. He will wait till the cliff comes, and he has his speakership, and then will negotiate. If he doesn't, we will see history repeat itself and the GOP will hold less than 25% of the house and senate.

Americans who voted for the GOP in the 80's and 90's had a good reason to do so. Those who voted GOP from 2000 to 2012 were just on the party bandwagon and not thinking.

Finally, - who is Grover Nordquist, and what @#%^&%#@ing right does he have to any part in this discussion? That alone should make someone vote Dem over Republican.

Someone, ANYONE!!! Take a leadership role, put together a proposal and vote on the darn thing. This is absolutely ridiculous.

Here's my suggestion: Set the tax relief cap at $450K, Extend Unemployment for a specific period of time, i.e., 26 weeks or whatever it currently is until the unemployment rate drops to 7%. Remove the AMT on everyone, since we are seeing a tax increase on upper wage earners anyway. EVERYONE should see a tax increase of .01% (just to be fair).

Cuts to be made: All subsidies to companies with a net profit of over $5M are cut 100%, companies earning $2.5 million in net profits, will be cut 50%. Cut military spending by 10% but not towards VA or other services that provide medical care for veterans. No cuts to social security or medicare beneficiaries, but those programs will be reviewed and fraud waste and abuse will be addressed. Any person convicted of such fraud waste and abuse will be fined a minimum of $250K plus the amount over $250K that they stole from the government. Jail time of at least one year required for anyone who stole over $250K.

There we go, that should be a good start on "fixing" the problem.

armurray - the Republicans are in a pickle because they have pledged their loyalty to Grover Norquist - not the American people. If they did the right thing instead of acting as traitors, we would not be in this mess!

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Hairy "Pappa Smurf" Reed is probably $hittin bricks!

He may actually have to play Senator for once.

His typical "Dead on Arrival" or "Table It" answer to all the proposals by the Republicans won't work anymore. He will actually have to dust off his "How A Bill Is Passed" handbook that he has ignored since 2007.

We suffered through the limp-wristed Liberal/Progressive cabals nonsense last August that caused us to have our envied credit rating lowered for the first time ever. Unfortunately the Libbies wanted that to happen to weaken our great Republic for Barrack Husseins "fundamental transformation" of America into the nanny state he so worships.

When a president promotes mediocrity by telling Americans the best they can be is middle class, you know the agenda is well on its way.

Statists believe that only the Ivy League faculty lounge elitists should have and control the wealth because the unwashed masses are incapable of managing their own lives. And of course the indoctrinated lemmings believe it and worship that disgusting ideology.

Wouldn't it be nice to hear Barrack Hussein promote success, independence, ambition and American exceptionalism?

Of course he won't. Being an anti-colonialist and promoting his class-warfare/envy meme will continue and the Left will just kneel and submit to his pathologic narcissism.

This is what happens when we allow Progressivism to pollute the weak minded useful idiots that believe in the "Life of Julia" nonsense. When you add the convoluted belief in the irrational social and economic justice propaganda our great Republic will collapse.

We can only hope that the Conservatives maintain their common sense approach to reduce the size of our out of control government and the waste, fraud, abuse and corruption it breeds.

Let the fiscal cliff and sequestration happen.

Remember, America promotes equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.

Troy wrote:

Ultimately it will be the President who ruins the Democrat party with his inability to negotiate anything

Negotiate with who? Last summer the President and the Speaker of the House negotiated a $1.4 trillion debt reduction package as part of the deal to raise the debt limit, and the House Republicans rejected it. Instead they kicked the can down the road, creating the Fiscal Cliff with the expectation they could use the forthcoming crisis to elect a Republican President. Now Boehner can't get his own party to pass his Plan B, designed to create the appearance that it's President's fault for going over the Fiscal Cliff. What's the point in negotiating with someone who has no ability to enact whatever concessions he is able to obtain. The Republican-controlled House is clearly dysfunctional. The Republican strategy of obstruction designed to further their top priority of ensuring that Obama is a one term President is a miserable failure, yet they are unable to abandon it or take any action for the good of the country for fear that it will be seen as a "victory" for the President or the Democrats. They will surely pay the price in the Congressional elections in 2014. Heaven help us until then.

No one is complaining about the Senate because the Senate has a Democratic majority and is therefore, by definition, good. :)

Да товарищ!

I think the only reason Boehner is smiling is because he just wants to show his boner off! This guy and all his folloers are worthless!

JimSpence - when you post words like "limp wristed" it says soooo much about you. You are probably still in the closet so you try to throw everyone off by constantly putting people who are brave enough to be themselves down.

Your continued stupidity is shown in every hate-filled and ignorant post you make. You are a pitiable person.

Instead of trying to post anything resembling facts you do your nasty putdowns of our President. You truly are a sick excuse for a man!

someotherguy - exactly. Boehner negotiates then can't lead his party to follow then they complain about the President. Budget cuts were part of the deal he worked out with President Obama as were tax increases on those making more than $400,000. This is a deal everyone SHOULD have been able to get on board with.

But, Grover Norquist pulled his strings and the rest of the Republicans caved. The GOP has become nothing but a party of weaklings who don't make their own decisions - just march lock step with Grover. They are the problem - not the solution!

Sometimes a picture paints a thousand words.

The smirk on Eric Cantor's face just echoes the evil on the faces of the two Republicans sitting on each side of Joe Wilson, the GOP Rep from South Carolina when he shouted "You lie!" at the President.

Take a look at this photo and it will remind you of what disrespect our President and our nation has had to put up with from the Party of NO the last four years. These guys could care less about the looming financial crisis. The only things they care about are their sailboats and beach homes and golden retirement plans which are already nicely supplemented by Big Corporate Business.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/10/congressman-yells-lie-obama-speech/

This photo was in Fox News and quoted John McCain saying how totally disrespectful these guys were. So you know it must be bad if they are calling it that, too.

Paws, it is BOTH a revenue AND spending problem. What are the ongoing costs of two unfunded wars? What? The Iraq war is over? May be, but we will be paying ongoing cost of that for decades. And staffing the worlds largest embassy on top of that. How about cutting subsidies to the oil companies? And lets not forget the military guarding the nation provides in the mid east shipping channels. Someone has to be paying for this. And of course, the consumer always pays the 100% of everything in the end. That is why those under a certain threshold should keep the Bush era tax cuts, for a little longer. They are the true job creators. They spend nearly all their income and many hope to save some for retirement. SS doesn't cut it for most. The money in the Caymans and Swiss accounts do nothing. It is time for those over that threshold pay what...3.6% more rate. Not many of those pay as much as I really think you do. You may be a millionaire, I don't know but you have plenty of time to troll these boards. We need to raise the capital gains tax and impose a 2 cent tax on every stock or future traded. We could also cut $100 million out of defense without weakening our military. Some of that money could be used for a Manhattan style program to fully develop renewable energy sources. That would save even more sine we wouldn't have to be guarding as many shipping channels for the oil tankers. Pass a law to re-patronize the offshore accounts and give them a pass IF they bring back American manufacturing and even call centers. Apple is beginning to do the right thing. Those are jobs programs. Creating jobs get people off food stamps and subsidized housing. These are a few of the things we could be doing.

The ACA is way too complocated for you to understand so I won't comment on that to you but to ask if you think it is fair that your insurance company charges you for the high cost the hospitals charge them for treating the unnsured for common colds in the ER?

SeekingSanity

JimSpence - when you post words like "limp wristed" it says soooo much about you.

Awwwww, c'mon SS, don't get your panties all in a twist, you know what I'm talkin' about.

When I see your buddy Concerned-999 posting his admiration for Boehners "boner", well, you know what I mean. Right?

The only closet is the one you Libbies all climb back into after you get done spewing your hate, anger, racism and bias on these posts.

Try to keep up Spanky.

Hey 1funnygirl, you know what's really funny? Not one of these joke republicans (nor their idiot voters) had ANY problem passing massive deficit spending bills when Bush was signing the legislation.

Unfunded and unncessary wars, a prescription drug bill that increased Medicare spending 47% but was a massive, massive giveaway to for profit health insurance companies and big Pharma, TARP, more and more tax cuts and corporate welfare.... all that stuff was just dandy to republicans... to the tune of $10 trillion dollars. Hint -- that's where our massive debt comes from.

Now, of course, the same republicans that passed all those appropriations don't want to increase the debt limit to pay for what they put on the credit card. Truly idiots.

Seems there is allot the Queen from the South has missed. But she does have her subjects doesn't she?

Since the fiscal cliff is so pressing I wonder which Sunday he told them? They are just republican scum! Bonehead can't get them to vote, but he sure can get them to go home and hopefully come back and do something. Anything! But remember Bonehead told Reid and the President to solve the fiscal problem. Want to bet whatever they have done won't be what these uncompromising idiots want!

I think its time for the people from both sides in the house to kick the tbaggers to the side and get things done without them. The house is very capable of doing it. If the tbaggers think they are honestly gonna get re-elected after this stunt... again... they are on crack! We are not gonna keep going throught this over and over again. And you plan to do it again when it comes time for the debt ceiling talks. You better wise up fellas! You tbaggers already lost some guys..dont you get the hint? The country is not gonna keep putting up with your BS! Its time to do what your getting paid to do ...and that includes learning to reaching across the aisle..like it or not.

Screw you tbaggers. This is our country too and we are sick of you holding a gun to our head just so you can get your way..you were elected to do the work of the people.. not for your own personal interests.....I say ToTal BS and I have had it with you "do nothing" arssholes! If you cant govern then you had no business running for congress. You know this includes doing the business of the country..and that means working with the other side. Do it or get the h311 out. If you intentionally tank the economy of the country for personal political gain you should be charged with treason, permanently removed from office and replaced.

I am so glad Boehner is in the position he is in to hold these liberals in check, they talk about compromise but they only want it for the republicans, fact is the country split 50-50 and we want cuts Not tax increases, spend less of our money not more. Even if it means obama takes us over this cliff, it is all on him, he needs to learn to work with boehner just like reagan had to learn to work with Tip, that is when the country moves forward, when it is my way or the highway like obama has been doing we end up where we are now. And dont raise the debt ceiling at all, cut cut cut save this nation before its too late

PMS is still messing with the Feisty Redheads mind, she don't need a Kotex she needs a bucket.

I saw an interview with Grover Norquist a while back.

His "No Taxes" mantra, he explained, was something he thought of when he was 12 years old. Yep, 12 years old.

He said the whole idea was about branding. That's it, BRANDING.

If Republicans could be the party of no taxes, there would be no confusion about who to vote for on that subject.

Nevermind about governing the country Congress, it's about BRANDING.

No, I'm not making it up.

This is another stall tactic by the speaker of the house. They have no intentions of doing a thing. No matter what the senate does the tparty will be sure to try to squeltch it. If the rest of the repubs keep putting up with their nonsense they deserve to get removed right along with the tbaggers. Boehner could get these people back before sunday if he was serious and we all no it. This is all games and drama. I say fire them all including no spine Boehner. No more caving Obama.

elaine,

Unfortunately, there is gerrymandering.

House elections actually favored Democrats by a couple percent nationally, yet the house is going to be ~233R-202D.

There needs to be some kind of open vote system in place where if Americans are displeased with their political leaders, they can vote them out of office and immediately implement a new election for that position. Basically, these freeloaders shouldn't be permitted to remain in their jobs for the rest of their terms if they are not doing their jobs, there should be some means for Americans to tell them they are FIRED!

SmBusOwner - Don't you people on the left ever get tired of playing the blame game? You blame everyone and everything for the incompetence of President Obama and the Democratic controlled Senate. There have been gerrymandering by both parties for years. As far as Democrats getting more votes nationally is nothing but more of the blame game. Damn the Democrats have the White House and the Senate yet they can't accomplish anything. Obama was elected President not King or Emperor, he has to quit letting his ego get in the way and start leading instead of belittling the Republicans and whining.

Remember it was the Democrats that made the Bush Tax cuts TEMPORARY for everyone. The President, the Senate and the House have had two years to do something, yet they wait for the last minute.

Obama got around 7 million less votes in 2012 than 2008. He got two fewer States in 2012 than 2008, and he received less electoral votes in 2012 than 2008.

Quit cryin and get to work. I am so sick of people who think entitlements are evil and yet whole heartedly support non entitlements. All members of congress recieve non entitlements, you know like free health care, 60+ paid holidays, 3 weeks of paid vacation, unlimited paid sick days, ridiculous pensions for serving one term. Of course that was a bipartisan vote of yes straight across the board. I earned my entitlements. You stole your non entitlements. GODDAMMIT GET TO WORK!!!

tom, I wish she would just go ahead and bleed out. Khan, there is a system, you just don't like it. Too bad we have checks in place to prevent any one ideology from taking over. Those checks help protect those of us in the minority at the time. You'll appreciate them in a few more years. This ride cant last forever.

It's interesting that the Republican pundits have switched to the latest Frank Luntz talking point: "we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem" or, alternatively, "raising taxes on the rich will not make a dent on our debt; we need to cut spending."

Before anyone here is even tempted to buy into this pathetic excuse for not extending the middle-class tax cuts, let me point out a few things:

1. One dollar in deficit reduction through spending cuts makes exactly the same contribution toward reducing our debt as one dollar in deficit reduction through revenue increases. Our debt isn't originated from spending alone OR revenues alone, it's the GAP between the two that generates debt. Anyone who knows caveman-level arithmetics will be able to understand that if you want to decrease the difference between two numbers by a certain magnitude, you can change the minuend OR the subtrahend OR both to achieve the desired result. There is nothing arithmetically better about achieving deficit reduction through spending cuts than including revenue increases. To say that we have a spending problem, then, is to paint an inaccurate, incomplete, and subjective picture of things. The most accurate and objective phrasing of our problem is, "we have a deficit problem."

2. The more mathematically able Republicans may understand point (1), but they allege that the proposed revenue increases will do nothing to alleviate our debt problem. Instead, they insist, the way to meaningfully address our debt is through sending cuts. The problem with their argument is that they're insinuating that spending can feasibly be cut on levels much, much greater than the proposed revenue increases. Given that about $1.2 trillion in revenue increases have been proposed, how much exactly do you think can be cut from spending that makes $1.2 trillion look meaningless? $6 trillion? $10 trillion? If so, point to us how exactly you can cut $6-$10 trillion in spending without (a) upsetting our economy deeply, (b) hurting those who are already hurting the most, (c) not further accelerate the growth of the gap between the rich and the poor, (d) not cut military spending to the bone, and (e) not make wildly unpopular, big cuts to entitlements?

3. Most importantly, repeat with me: DEMOCRATS ARE NOT OPPOSED TO SPENDING CUTS. Democrats just want revenue increases along with spending cuts. Democrats do not want revenue increases alone. Stop blaming Democrats for your own failure to compromise. Democrats have offered enough compromises. The fact that we don't have single-payer healthcare is a big enough compromise on the part of Democrats to offset every single compromise Republicans might make for centuries to come. Your "me, me, me" attitude, your "every man for himself" philosophy has cost this country enough lives. Stop insinuating that it's Democrats who need to compromise.

Gr8Dem

a prescription drug bill that increased Medicare spending 47% but was a massive, massive giveaway to for profit health insurance companies and big Pharma

Hmmmm, OK I won’t embarrass you by trashing the rest of your tortured nonsense, but I will challenge you on these two issues.

As far as Medicare Part-D I think you copied and pasted the wrong information that was given to you by Debbie Whatsername Slutz. I know you didn’t research this claim, otherwise you would have seen how ignorant it is.

Medicare Part D is the most cost-effective program within the federal health insurance programs and a good deal for taxpayers. Estimates by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office indicate that Part D's price to the public will come in at 46% less than initially estimated for the first decade.

In fact, Part D is saving the entire Medicare program money, according to a recent study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA). Improved access and adherence to medicine is saving $1,200 per year in hospital, nursing home and other costs for each senior who previously lacked prescription drug coverage, according to the study. This is saving the Medicare program an estimated $12 billion each year.

It’s a good deal for seniors too because they are paying less out of pocket for their prescriptions. The total average out-of-pocket prescription drug costs dropped between 13% and 15% thanks to the creation of Part D.

Medicare Part D plans are available for as little as $14.80 per month in most States.

The competitive-based Medicare Part D program is working and should be used as a model for reforming other elements of federal health care programs. Medicare Part D enrollees are overwhelmingly satisfied with this program. A recent Medicare Today survey reported that 84 % of seniors are satisfied with the program.

Hmmmm, for all the complaining all you limp-wristed libbies keep doing about the cost of mean old Bush’s Medicare Part-D maybe you should let the Republicans do more Health Care Reform. They seem to create cost-effective programs rather than economy destroying ones like Obamacare.

Now, as far as your preoccupation for Big Pharma you may want to read this excerpt from <GASP> The Huffington Post about Barrack Husseins sell out to the pharmaceutical companies.

I’ll just give you the introduction of the article, you can read up the rest on your own. If you do read anything that is.

A memo obtained by the Huffington Post confirms that the White House and the pharmaceutical lobby secretly agreed to precisely the sort of wide-ranging deal that both parties have been denying over the past week.

The memo, which according to a knowledgeable health care lobbyist was prepared by a person directly involved in the negotiations, lists exactly what the White House gave up, and what it got in return.

It says the White House agreed to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government's leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada -- and also agreed not to pursue Medicare rebates or shift some drugs from Medicare Part B to Medicare Part D, which would cost Big Pharma billions in reduced reimbursements.

In exchange, the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers Association (PhRMA) agreed to cut $80 billion in projected costs to taxpayers and senior citizens over ten years. Or, as the memo says: "Commitment of up to $80 billion, but not more than $80 billion."

OH NOOOOOOOOOO! Your boy-toy Barrack doesn’t want to lower the costs of medications, he just wanted their alleged support to make you Libbies feel good about his massive redistribution of wealth via Obamacare.

Here’s the link from HuffPo:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/13/internal-memo-confirms-bi_n_258285.html

Try to keep up Spanky.

Clear proof that it doesn't require intelligence to get elected. As if anyone needed it.

This place is just one big moonbat circle jerk.

We extend our gratitude for you being the "point girl"!

Even if you are a "spitter"... lol

Remind us again WHO is forcing you to participate?

What's Obama's and Harry's excuse for knowing the Bush tax cuts were scheduled to expire in 2013 and not doing something sooner?

Should they not bear accountability for their inability to get the economy moving enough so that people did not have to be on unemployment most of the first term - including two years total majority?

Their incompetence and failure to be leaders have contributed greatly to this situation.

Harry Reid and Barack Obama - Abject Failures - Blamers - Clueless

Stop the pure insanity of Washington spending - now

Don't cave

Brilliant!

We extend our gratitude for you being the "point girl"!

Even if you are a "spitter"... lol

you have some serious pent up sexual aggression. You are a Criminal Minds episode waiting to happen

going off the cliff...makes me think of the commerical...i've fallen and i can't get up...the idiots we elected are no more than the scum of the earth...spend more than ya make ...sh!t happens...

Caesar that old broad hasn't gotten laid in decades.

So says First Reads very own "fluff girl"...

Talk about PROJECTION! lmao

Don't like it here, who the hell is physically forcing YOU to participate?

Sorry NewsforDumbFux shut down your litter box! ;o)

Well you gotta give those Republicans one thing, when you buy a tea-bagger congressman, they stay bought.

This reckless ass wants as much money as he can get to piss away on obamacare for illegals, grow his welfare state, and ay back the union slugs

Best part is a delusional, impotent, little @!$%# like YOU, has NO power to do anything!

Ain't democracy grand, dumb@!$%#?

Meanwhile, I will sit back and laugh my ass off everytime I see you running around with your follicles on fire... ;o))))

4 more glorious years for you to wimper and piss yourself! LMAO

Best part is a delusional, impotent, little @!$%# like YOU, has NO power to do anything!

Ain't democracy grand, dumb@!$%#?

tough words hiding behind a firewall and on First Read where the Moderators do not Monitor and I assume beyond their doing. Hey Feisty lets see you get away with this anywhere else on the vine. Yeah i didnt think so

Caesar Augustus-

you have some serious pent up sexual aggression. You are a Criminal Minds episode waiting to happen

Caesar, you’ll find a lot of that on Liberal/Progressive blogs. They have an almost unhealthy preoccupation for genitals.

Their incessant use of “teabaggers” in an attempt to be witty or cute is most revealing. It’s a shame they don’t understand when they call someone a teabagger it implicates them as the teabaggee.

teabaggee: (n) A liberal that likes to suck the testicles of Conservatives, Republicans or TEA Partiers. They usually ask for it by calling any of the above a "teabagger".

You can also see their obsession for that lifestyle with comments like Concerned-999 (post #1.73) posting his admiration for Boehners "boner".

This is common here and on other sites such as Huff-N-Puff Post, MenialMatters and others.

It’s a sad commentary but you just have to work your way around their pubescent intellect.

Shady Rob . . .

So what MSNBC censor just about every conservative commentator

I'd suggest you upgrade. My version does not show anything as collapsed on FR or NBC politics. Maybe they just like me more .... who knows?

Its the continuing obvious insider alliances, FRH is always first to post. MSNBC continues to show their biased connections...

Enjoy your version of reality folks - it will all crash and burn...

As far as Washington is concerned - it was obvious the politicians want the "law" to force the cuts and tax increases so that no one is at fault except everyone of them in office. So here we go over the cliff... Its a popularity contest versus a government leading the country. I blame the President most of all as he is elected to lead... Zero, zip, nada leadership from Obama on the deficit - in fact the opposite (all Obama wants is more taxes which will only cover a minor portion of his increased deficit spending). Obama wants more money and more control whereas the government continues to overspend (the last four year the deficit has been the largest in history - look at the facts not the BS in DC).

Game over folks - the economy will crash and inflation will reign in order for the government to pay its debts. Simple! To pay the debt, print more dollars...hence inflation. Simple facts folks... Hold on here it comes... Remember Carter?

History will show Obama the novice in the White House... "The buck stops here." Obama wants this heritage yet he has no clue how to do it other that spew BS and blame so he can remain popular... Historic leaders lead the country through unpopular challenge to make us better in the end. This is not what DC is even close to understanding today... The motives in DC remind me of high school.

FRH is hook line and sinker to the BS and can not tell anyone how the deficit will be closed. She can not tell anyone how the economy will improve. She can only hope for a future, spending our children's income all the while...

Shady Rob 64

Thank you.

I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress.

Feisty -- have you forgotten your Psychotrophic Meds. again? We have to remember that the Democrats had the Majority of BOTH Houses of Congress for 6+ years BEFORE the Republicans got the Majority. The Democrats lost the Majority because of what we are seeing now. The Democrats are true to their Motto - TAX & SPEND DEMOCRATS. You can not tax yourself out of debt. Like a household or business you have to cut spending in order to balance the books. The Senate & O'Bama have refused to even discuss options with the Republican House - the Democrats are saying "Take my offer because there will be no discussion". When the cliff hits, Democrats & Republicans will feel the hurt. Illegals are the only group not affected because the Democrats & O'Bama already give them everything free. Republican Tax payers WILL REVOLT if O'Bama continues his Socialist Agenda. The Democrats complaining the loudest are the deadbeats that pay very little if anything in taxes and get everything free thanks to O'Bama's increased unfunded Entitlement Programs. To all you deadbeats out there, regardless of what happens when the money runs out, it's gone and you will actually have to do something if you want to live because there will be no more handouts. I hope that O'Bama is unable to complete his full term because we will have open revolution in this country before his next term ends. O'Bama Class Warfare Strategy will come back and be his downfall. He will be the target of the Revolution that is brewing.

The President flies back early from Hawaii to deal with the problem, the Senate is already in DC to deal with the problem and Bonehead tells the House not to return till Sunday. Doesn't that tell you something about the republican DO NOTHINGS! The republican party is a pile of scum!

Warning! Liberal Post!

For all of you bitching and moaning about spending cuts, have you forgotten about the BCA? That little thing that Congress wanted (and Ryan voted for), the President signed (knowing it was a bad idea) and Congress wanted to get back to so they could play hard ball? Well, guess what, the lazy asses never picked their ball back up and now those spending cuts are coming into play as is everything else Congress conveniently forgot. The payroll tax extension should be kept in place. Does everyone forget about that? The effect of that little thing is IMMEDIATE. All working Americans will feel that little hit come their first paycheck in 2013.

This "Boehner" sequester is going to cost this country jobs. Quite a few. If Cantor replaces him, it will be his mess as well.

http://bipartisanpolicy.org/projects/budget-control-act

I'd suggest the WRNJs get off of their Fox talking points and read about what their wonderful Congress has ALREADY done to screw this country.

Quit bitching about the President and the Cliff ... Boehner is conveniently re-directing his sheep away from the BCA that he wanted.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

NO!!! Dumb@!$%#!

My power is at the voting booth!

It is only going to get worse for you & your ilk... Mark my words... LMAO@U.. loser!

KABOOOOOOOOM!!!!

And another little Liberal/Progressive alleged brain implodes.

Nothing pleases me more to see the rabid intolerance, anger, hate, racism and vitriol of the limp-wristed Libbies exposed so blatantly.

Jim I am all too familiar with the 'tolerant' left and even further of Red Dawns name calling. this was last week from Feisty

Nah!

Leave the pussy-boy on ignore, you can follow the gist of his bull@!$%# by what others copy & paste in their responses... save the brain cells! ;o)"

and to think she kisses her azz with that mouth

Keep it up guys, Feisty is in Fine Form tonight LOL... watch her have a coronary

Now back on our knees... BOY!

um um um racist...racist...

Too much Thunderbird Feisty, go drink some coffee and sober up

What a crock of crap from Boehner. Like the down-to-the-wire debt debacle, the TeaTards are being flown back to Washington at the tax payers expense, and for what? To stage a PR stunt! The Senate passed their bill a long time ago on behalf of the middle class, but Boehner tries to spin it as if the ball is in the Senate's court.

Too late -- The majority of Americans know Boehner and the House have tried to protect the richest 2% and it is their failure alone. Don't even try with the false equivalency!

Anyone who falls for this crap from Boehner deserves the Do Nothing obstruction and gridlock thanks to Teapublicans. Throw them out in 2014 and keep them out until they represent the majority of the American people.

And another little Liberal/Progressive alleged brain implodes

And another Dumb@!$%#, can not comprehend the election results!

By all means little buddy, get down on your knees and give the delusional shady one a break!

Keep typing you closeted HOMOPHOBE! lmao

You guys are cracking me up!

And another Dumb@!$%#, can not comprehend the election results!

so he got re-elected not crowned...dumf*ck indeed. perhaps you can break down what being Elected President means. Come on you can do it.

Keep typing you closeted HOMOPHOBE! lmao

what? so you are gay? That would explain your male hating, bitter rage attitude

It will all play-out just as intended. Obama and the Democrats will get what they wanted and the Republicans are, once again, the bad guys trying to destroy the good life in America.

It's sad that Obama and the Democrats have alienated the Republicans and have mislead so many folks on the issues that are so critical to the future of the US.

Feisty and you have the nerve to report people for breaking the CoH? and call anyone right of Che hypocrites? Perhaps Darwin was wrong after all

Marcus D-4300696 -- "blameless, clueless" ... Look in the mirror. And while you're at it, did you see the article today about jobless claims dropping again?

Get Real... -- "Enjoy your version of reality folks"? Will the GOPee Wee Herman, "I know you are but what am I" silliness never end? Enough with Projection Politics, try to have a little original thought. Everyone knows the rightwing lives in an alternative universe, and why for example they were so certain Romney was going to win.

Shady Rob 64 -- Holy f'n cow, where were you during all the Republican scandals of the Bush/Cheney administration? Oh, that's right, you were so busy trying to rewrite history about the Clintons you missed what a crappy decade they produced. If Hillary runs and wins, I'll tell you what we'll be doing -- Celebrating another 8 years of Teapublicans wondering in the desert!

kkwilson -- Hahaha, "the Republicans are, once again, the bad guys trying to destroy the good life in America." Because they are destroying the good life in America -- now you're catching on. Get yourself a copy of "Who Stole the American Dream" read it and then get back to us.

Medical people, nurses, doctors, EMTs and all, work on Christmas, New Years, birthdays, etc. Congress should have NEVER been dismissed until they settled the "Fiscal Cliff." The so-called "cliff," should never have gotten to the point, it has become a crisis! I am tired of the methods our politicians use to make drama, out of what was once a one line statement and a bang of thew gavel! And yes, it started with the Republicans.

Since I am from Ohio, I promise, I will do all I can to vote John Boehner out of office. It is time to really clean house and he is the biggest dust bunny clogging the progress of our country. LISTEN! The majority has spoken! We endorsed President Obama to do our bidding for us. So get to work. Use a shop vac, a swifter or a fire hose! I do not care! Get this fiscal cliff crap done. Tax everyone who makes $250,000.00 or more and leave Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid alone! If anything should be cut from the budget, take it from the retirement benefits, from the politicians who vote for their own perks!

GOT IT JOHN?

YO FISTY!

Lemme ax you a few questions.

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate God?

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate family?

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate America?

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate the Constitution?

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate Capitalism/Free Markets

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate the military?

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate our brave troops?

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate American Exceptionalism?

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate morality?

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate justice?

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate human progress and advancement?

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate a good education?

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate personal achievement?

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate success?

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate themselves?

I'll wait for your typically rage filled response.

AndresTM

It's interesting that the Republican pundits have switched to the latest Frank Luntz talking point: "we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem"...

They never learn "If P then Q" logic. Remember "If you're against the war, then you're against the troops." "If we fight them over there, then we won't have to fight them here." They LOVE fallacious argumentation, especially when it fits on a bumper sticker.

The idiotic one about how taxing the rich won't solve the deficit, therefore cuts in spending are the only way to solve the deficit -- That is mathematical stupidity, hypocritical (because they think ending "ear marks" will reduce the deficit more than taxing the rich -- oh my) AND "throwing the baby out with the bath water" fallacious argumentation. It's Reagan's "government isn't the solution, it's the problem" regurgitated, and it's just as disgusting.

JimSpence -- I don't usually say this, but ah shaddap. Really, seriously, you posted that?

Shady Rob 64 -- Correction, wandering in the desert, though wondering fits too. Thanks for playin'...now run along back to The Blaze or what ever rock you climbed out from...

This president and the way he "runs" the country is a joke. Who the hell is in charge?? He should get off his vacationing ass and push these stupid bastards on both sides to FIX THE @!$%#IN PROBLEM. Maybe these @!$%#heads could actually work TOGETHER to come up with some SPENDING CUTS and a small tax increase on the top 2%. What a worthless POS................

Hey Jim Spence @ 1.142 . . . .

Really???? Seriously??? Is that your Christmas list???

I'm just picking ONE from your idiotic diatribe ...

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate our brave troops?

Let's see .... ummm ... who honored their troops at their party's convention ... can you say the DEMOCRATS? Who works with military families and supports them and assists them ... can you say the FIRST LADY?

Good Lord but you need to get a life!

Sorry but had to cherry-pick another one ...

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate themselves?

We don't. And without progressive liberals in your life and voting accordingly, you'd still be stuck in the 1950s which is right where Mittens & Co. wanted to take you back to.

You might think you're winning a "word" war. But son, your party has LOST the battle.

TruePatriot-445959

JimSpence -- I don't usually say this, but ah shaddap. Really, seriously, you posted that?

Yeah, why?

Is it too much for you Libbies to read?

I know, I know, you Libbies don’t like to read a lot. We saw that first hand when you forced the Health Care Redistribution of Wealth Hoax on the American people.

NOBODY read it, but Hairy Reed and Nanny Piglosi passed it anyway. Now the country realizes what a disaster it really is.

Hey, did you know that there’s a marriage penalty in PPACA?

Yeah, two unmarried persons earning $32,000 each ($64,000 total) would pay a maximum combined $5,684 in premiums, but if they got married, they would pay about $15,000.

Oh wait, what am I saying, you Liberals never work. At least not at any meaningful jobs.

Never mind.

Lemme ax you a few questions.

It was only a matter of time before our resident DUMB-ASS's true colors shined though....

Here's an idea, why don't YOU AX yourself? Dumb@!$%#?

I actually feel sympathoy towards you and your iditot buddy above.... It HAS to hurt being as brain dead as YOU two dudes!

So, take your "ax" and hit the unripe melom on your head....

Shady Rob ...

The Seals were there when Barry need them in Pakistan but when the Seals needed Barry in Benghazi he bailed then blamed
YouTube.

Are you kidding me? YouTube calls the shots? The Seals needed reinforcements in Benghazi? Since it's on YouTube and so reliable ... why don't you tell us which General called for reinforcements from the Navy Seals and didn't get it. Sources please.

Apparently Congress doesn't need to have any hearings, they just need to come to your basement to view your own personal conspiracy theories.

Notice they all have sort of a smile, HELL We would smiling to if We didn't have to work and get paid what these POS gets, the first thing done to fix our economy is cut all their pay in halve, second is cut their entilements & Health care. These idiots need to know how it feels to pay for something and have a bunch of MORONS constantly trying to screw with it.

Shady Rob,

Totally inappropriate for this site. You should be kicked off and receive some kind of help.

Shady Rob 64 ...

Seriously? A YouTube video is going to sway someone's thoughts? Let's just roll back to the 50's when T V was all truthful. Cite a source. Quit telling me what you "think" should have/could have/would have.

All of you crazy RWNJs - I'm sure the Republican party would distance themselves from you as fast as they are running from Mitt now. They aren't embracing your last President either.

Mitt LOST. Your entire campaign with Mittens was based on the fact that he would repeal everything President Obama had done.

MITT LOST. It's not going to happen! Your BS hate-filled posts aren't going to make it happen either.

Call me what you'd like, I've heard it all before .... in the meantime, get a grip, GROW UP and do something other than sit and spew hateful keyboard rants!

How about the NRA rather than Obama. When a person is drowning you don't throw more water on them. You don't throw more guns out there either. I loved Obama's comments and they were appropriate for the situation not your joke which is right wing sicko!

How about the NRA rather than Obama. When a person is drowning you don't throw more water on them. You don't throw more guns out there either. I loved Obama's comments and they were appropriate for the situation not your joke which is right wing sicko!

Rob, Needs help!

Layton-3733410

Let's see .... ummm ... who honored their troops at their party's convention ... can you say the DEMOCRATS? Who works with military families and supports them and assists them ... can you say the FIRST LADY?

Let's see....ummmm.... who spit on us and called us babby-killers when we returned from Vietnam?

Your photo-op moments don't mean $hit to real Americans. Your pathetic attempt to appear concerned is disgusting. Go tell it to Barrack Hussein, just make sure he knows how to pronounce corpsman first.

BTW, do you think Moochelle will still be proud to be an American when she can't fly around and party on the taxpayers dime?

And without progressive liberals in your life and voting accordingly, you'd still be stuck in the 1950s which is right where Mittens & Co. wanted to take you back to.

Hmmmm, funny isn't it?

You limp-wristed Libbies vilify the 50's but then turn around and wish that things like $40 per hr. jobs for unskilled and untrained Liberals were back. That unions were as strong as those days.

It's a shame you don't move up a decade and promote JFK's, "Don't ask what your country can do for you".

You've come a long way Libbies.

You should be ashamed.

"Boehner calls House back to Washington on Sunday"

T'was two nights after Christmas,

And all through the House,

Not a creature was working,

Not even this souse...

Shady Rob 64 1-137

You're exactly right......in the eyes of many on this forum, Obama can do no wrong. If he "broke wind" they would admire the aroma.

JimSpence ...

Let's see....ummmm.... who spit on us and called us babby-killers when we returned from Vietnam?

F you and the horse you rode in on. Living with a vet who actually served and LOVES this country and doesn't play country by sitting at a keyboard but rides with those who do and stand up to people like the Westboro church. F you. F you. F you!

Hells Angels would stand up and ride against SCUM like you! CBA would as well.

Regardless of what happens, at the end of the day, Obama and Boehner will still both be piles of dog sh!t, as will Reid, Pelosi, McConnell and most of the rest of them. Only the blind idiots will say "it's the other guy's fault", and not be objective enough to understand it's their guy's, (or gal's) fault as well. That's why I haven't been able to bring myself to vote for any incumbent for a decade now.

Only a stupid fool votes for their career politician, but blames someone else's career politician.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

It was only a matter of time before our resident DUMB-ASS's true colors shined though....

Here's an idea, why don't YOU AX yourself? Dumb@!$%#?

Awwwwww, wazza matter Fisty, did I insult your insensibilities?

Is "ax" off limits in your dysfunctional politically correct little world? Am I a racist now? Is that all it takes to bring out your hate, rage and anger? Do ebonics bother you if a white person uses them?

Why are you so shallow all your life?

JimSpence ...

Stupid keyboard COWARD!

Why don't you stand up and state what you truly believe rather than posting your constant BS!

I RARELY lose it on these boards but you, sir, are nothing but an armchair wanna be. DISGUSTING! The men and women that serve for this great country certainly don't want you waving a flag when they arrive home. They certainly appreciate those of us that vote for disable vets, work for fair pay for vets, and donate to their causes.

You are the shallow one. Lower than whale @!$%#.

JimSpence, if there is one great remaining unsolvable mystery of the Universe ...it is how you repeatedly, on a daily basis, flagrantly and boldly violate all of the rules of Newsvine to which you agreed to abide ... and do not get banned? Civility, the great unknown.

"Curiouser and curiouser?" cried Alice.

Feisty said: "And another Dumb@!$%#, can not comprehend the election results!"

The results were he won the Presidency. It does not mean that his is now the sole ruler, dictator, or king. I know that's what he and all of his trolls like you want but sorry, he's just the President, and he continues to do a lousy job.

If we continue on Obama's path we'll be a country in shambles. All he talks about is "tax rates" and what needs to be discussed is spending cuts.

I believe that you are the Dumb@!$%#.

Layton-3733410

F you and the horse you rode in on.

F you. F you. F you!

KABOOOOOOOM!

Another spineless Liberal brain implodes.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Lay down Layton. Nothing pleases me more than to see another dysfunctional limp-wristed Libbie go postal.

Where is your "tolerance" Layton? Where is your "civility"? You Libbies wouldn't know exceptionalism if it kicked you in the balls.

Go away Spanky, you're insignificant.

Good luck, Boehner, in getting your own people in the House to cooperate. Your Tea Party members are adamant in their refusal, and said they truly want the nation's economy to, "crash and burn," just to prove to you and everyone else, who's the boss.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/24/2012-fiscal-cliff-anti-ta_n_2358905.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

Robert in Oregon

JimSpence, if there is one great remaining unsolvable mystery of the Universe ...it is how you repeatedly, on a daily basis, flagrantly and boldly violate all of the rules of Newsvine to which you agreed to abide ... and do not get banned? Civility, the great unknown.

Go away Robbie. You're becoming more and more insignificant also.

I've read the pure filth and profanity that comes out of the mouth of Fisty, Bev and all the other Neanderthals that pollute these threads. You can take your Chicago thugocracy and give it to someone who cares.

Your pathetic submission to a statist faculty-lounge elitist proves your dysfunctional upbringing. Doesn't it bother you Libbies that Barrack Hussein promotes mediocrity instead of the American Dream? Don't you aspire to be more than just middle-class? That's all your boy-toy Barrack wants you to be. You willingly submit to a man whose biggest accomplishments in life were putting on a few picnics in Chicago as a community organizer and wrote a couple books, about himself.

And now you wonder why he can't even pass a simple budget. Stop worshipping a man and start achieving something for yourself and your country.

That's what real Americans do.

Jim Spence,

I am sure you are laying on the floor rolling around and laughing your a$$ off. I do have more balls to be kicked in. So much more so as I'm female and have more than you. That and I don't "roll" on a floor.

That is your agenda. Nothing for your country. Just to get a rise out of someone else ...

Exceptionalism ...

Exceptionalism is the perception that a country, society, institution, movement, or time period is "exceptional" (i.e., unusual or extraordinary) in some way and thus does not need to conform to normal rules or general principles. Used in this sense, the term reflects a belief formed by lived experience, ideology, perceptual frames, or perspectives influenced by knowledge (or lack thereof) of historical or comparative circumstances.

You're correct. This time and age is exceptional. Mostly because people like you are allowed to voice your hatred of others without someone coming over and whipping off your white hat and shroud. I've lived through the experiences and I would so gather I'm older than you to have formed a better opinion of this country. Your posts are nothing but hate-mongering diatribes that make you feel better because of your very low opinion of your self.

Roll around on your floor. Laugh. Be proud of making others upset. Those that have feelings for this country get up and move and shake things up and make things happen.

That's what real Americans do.

You are nothing more than a Honey-Boo-Boo wanna be. Looking for you 15 minutes of red-neck grotesque fame. You got your one minute from me. Never again.

Coward.

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate God?

Why would anyone waste one moment hating something that doesn't exist?

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate family?

I know many liberals. I am one. We love our families. Your talking point is a silly one.

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate America?

I know many liberals. I am one. We love our country. Your question is a silly one.

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate the Constitution?

I know many liberal. I am one. We love the constitution. Even your right to bear arms if you feel you need to in order to defend yourself.

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate Capitalism/Free Markets

I know many liberals. I am one. They are intelligent, entrepreneurial business minds. They generally have far greater wealth than conservatives.

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate the military?

I know many liberals. I am one. We love the military. We don't necessarily like expensive, unproductive military missions, but the military itself, though bloated, is a great American strength.

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate our brave troops?

See the answer above.

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate American Exceptionalism?

What does that even mean? I'm sure it's a great bumper sticker, but before that nebulous question can be answered, it should be defined.

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate morality?

Whose morality? Larry Craig's? Foley's? Crapo's?

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate justice?

Justice? Do you mean like the execution of bin Laden?

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate human progress and advancement?

Interesting question coming from a slavish follower of the party that believes God makes it rain, the female body rejects rape, the earth is 6000 years old and that evolution is a trick of the devil straight from the depths of hell.

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate a good education?

Interesting question from a slavish follower of the party that believes that colleges are for snobs and that universities are liberal indoctrination centers.

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate personal achievement?

Personal achievement? Like the First African American President? We love that stuff.

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate success?

I'm a liberal. I'll match W-2's with anyone on this board. I love success.

Why do Liberals/Progressives hate themselves?

If we hated ourselves, we wouldn't post. We think we're wonderful. And what we have to say is so compelling, it needs to be placed on public forum.

I'll wait for your typically rage filled response.

No rage here Jimmy.

You still hiding behind your 13 your old daughter, you principled, self loving, man of God?

To all you who are bashing others for their opinions: I haven't been on a board for awhile because I got tired of all the personal bashing going on. Now, my first trip back, I see that it's still going on! I can only conclude that too many people are incapable of conducting themselves in a civil manner and actually have a meaningful discussion. It can be very seductive to bash someone personally for their opinions when you strongly disagree with them. I fell victim to it a few times in the past. But then I realized what I'd turned into and didn't like either the sight or smell. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard it all before: If you don't like it, don't read the boards. If you don't like it, just ignore them. etc., etc., etc. Some posters learned nothing -- which was demonstrated by their attacking me for stating my opinion! And I expect to get some personal attacks this time, too. Sad! Sad! Sad! That's ok, though, because I won't be back to read them.

Love it,

I'll be joining you come January 1st. My resolution.

It's fun to rattle a cage now and again, but, ultimately, it's a waste of time. No opinions ever change. If folks weren't solidly entrenched in their opinions, they wouldn't comment here in first place.

There is so much more to accomplish. Use your time wisely.

Vaya con dios, mi amigo.

A more accurate list of what we liberals hate:

-Fundamentalism

-Inequality

-Social injustice

-Government intrusion into personal lives

-Government neglect of the needy

-Government catering to those who don't need to be catered to

-Violence, physical and verbal

-Racial division

-Indifference

-Superstition

-Putting the interests of the few above the interests of society as a whole.

Westward, “Ho’ ”

It’s time to issue a clarion call.

Westward, westward you must go, to the land of half term governors, the land toward which the action of the sea is directed, a state that has the distinction of being the easternmost, westernmost and northernmost, (giving you three directions to brag about, unlike ”The South“), a land as big as two thirds of the continental United States. Yes, take your trailer off blocks and gas up the S.U.V.; Alaska is calling you.

Alaska,
a land of untrammeled wilderness, where reality television stars rape the land with hapless grins on their mirthless faces. Alaska, where every variety of game is available for you to unload your weapons upon with the rapacious glee of an amphetamine crazed wolverine. (And they have wolverines, though how much meth they use, I know not.) Alaska, where if you have the virgins, they have the volcanoes. Alaska, where multi-national corporations are waiting to employ YOU with their schemes to utterly destroy every eco-system that might have a penny of resources in it. And hey, don’t forget, Alaska will pay you if you can live there for 366 days and every year after that. Don’t go Galt, dig Galt’s gulch in Alaska.

Yes, that star of the north; “North to the Future” is their motto and what a glorious future you could take part in! Spending long summer days organizing militias to stop those communist Russkies and spending long winter nights rewriting the Constitution until it finally agrees with the Book of Revelations. So take your Confederate flags and your Gadsden banners and plant your standard in Alaska.

Head on up
, and leave the heavy lifting of economic and social change to us down here. We’ll try to let you stay as backwards as you want to be, with minimal intrusion. Hell, I’ll bet when enough of you are up there, Canada will be more than happy to build a border wall for you, since everyone knows how fond you all are of those.

From Fish Hook to Funny River, Kalifornsky to Kipnuk, Moose Creek to Meadow Lake (and let‘s not forget fabulous Wasilla), the siren song of Alaska beckons. So do yourself and everybody else a great big favor, and start the migration now. Westward, “Ho’ ”!

P.S. Take the Republican party with you, they won’t be missed. Oh yeah, and Ted Nugent, please!

A call to all the sufferers of Obama Derangement Syndrome, with their tri-corned, tin foil hats nestled snuggly upon their heads, who believe that F.E.M.A. death camps are being constructed across the nation waiting to sweep them up for their “patriotic” beliefs. A call to all that believe climate change is a United Nations plot to steal their liberty and that the Affordable Care Act is going to add more fluoride to pollute “our precious essence”. Come heed my call.

Gremlins got that post, but you get the gist.

ForePlinger,

Its almost 1:00 am. We can live with a few glitches in the post.

"American exceptionalism" ????

Oh, please! Give us a break from your favored rhetorical buzz phrases.

The 112th US Congress (Jan. 3, 2011 – Jan. 3, 2013) proved to the American people only that it was incompetent and entirely inadequate for the job of governing which the American people hired it to do. For two solid years we have endured flowery speeches and frequent use of the phrase “American exceptionalism” from the leadership of this Congress, while at the same time the American people screaming back at them (using less-flowery language) demanding American common workmanlike approach to their jobs. The only American exceptionalism demonstrated by the Congress was their consistency taking exception to acceptance of any personal responsibility for the present mess which they have made; and of course American, because no other self-respecting nation would have anything to do with this inept bunch of rascals.

If in January 2013 the 113th Congress telegraphs its intent to follow the same path as the last, by reelecting the same leadership, the American people should seize the opportunity to toss-out the entire lot, by demanding that our legislative assemblies of the several states act under the provisions of Article V of the US Constitution to convene a Constitutional Convention, dissolve the US Congress and rewrite the rules of that institution. Only by throwing out the entire lot, and starting over to correct the ills which plague that institution, can the American people reassert the working, living Representative Democratic Republic envisioned and set-in-place by the founders of our once great nation. Founders who could never have envisioned the degree of complete incompetence present today in our nation’s Capitol, but nevertheless had the great wisdom to provide us with the means and method to fix the problem.

Sorry, had to go over to the Huff-N-Puff Post and put a few Liberals/Progressives in their place. Man, they are rabid over there tonight.

Anyway, I can see my work here is done for now. I hope all you little Libbies learned something tonight, I enjoyed schooling you in your deficiencies as real Americans.

As I read the posts from the Liberal Progressives here and on other blogs I realize arguing with them is similar to shadow boxing.

After 15 minutes 2 undeniable truths emerge.

1. I’m tired.

2. I always win.

So with that, I wish you all a good night.

It was your pleasure.

Wow. Jim Spence, the guy who said he'd hide behind his 13 year old daughter if he had to face me, "always wins".

I guess it's that kind of delusion that makes one a republican.

bbone!!!!!!!

Nice to see you.

Hey, I showed my daughter your picture after I told her about our discussion.

First she laughed.

Then she simply said, "Nice hat".

I'm not sure, but I don't think it was a compliment.

But you knew that didn't you?

So you didn't call it a night after all? I guess your lies aren't just political.

I wonder if your daughter noticed the family resemblance when she saw my picture.

Give her a kiss goodnight for me.

And you may want to get a DNA test "dad".

That was probably over the top. As much as I think you're a dick, I probably shouldn't have questioned your beautiful daughter's legitimancy. It's none of my business if your wife sleeps around on you.

This is why I signed off of Newsvine in the first place. It brings out the worst in people.

Anyway, Jimmy, take care. Btone signing off for real and for good.

Keep beating heads in. It's therapeutic.

Oh, for God's SAKE!! There's enough childish and disgusting NAME CALLING on here to last a middle school bathroom a freaking lifetime!! Every one of you look and sound like aggravated 3 year-olds. Why don't you go punch a pillow for 5 minutes and give us a break!

ANYWAY! BACK ON TOPIC! I would give ANYTHING to slap that smirk of that jerks face.

America is SPLIT!

OBAMA was not elected DICTATOR OF AMERICA, MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!

The House DID THEIR JOB, the HOUSE PRESENTED THEIR PASSED BILLS TO THE SENATE!

It is the SENATES turn to offer a COMPROMISE!

So simple. Too bad the PRESS CAN NOT PRINT THE TRUTH!

FamousAmos-3755959 wrote:

"Oh, for God's SAKE!! There's enough childish and disgusting NAME CALLING on here to last a middle school bathroom a freaking lifetime!! Every one of you look and sound like aggravated 3 year-olds."

Um, Pot, meet kettle. The concept of irony is oft lost in the practice of hypocrisy.

YO JIM SPENCE!

Lemme ax you a ONE questions.

How did you get so stupid?

JIM Spence,

Just wanted to let you know that to many of us you are one disgusting and ignorant right wing nut case of a person!

Rog 666,

Obama's comments had nothing to do with religion! He was telling the truth!

Rog 666,

Obama's comments had nothing to do with religion! He was telling the truth!

There is no 'Fiscal Cliff' - it is a media fiction. All that will happen if Washington does nothing is the tax rates will return to what they were under Clinton, when everyone seems to think they were 'fair'.

I say 'Let Congress do nothing' - then we can have some REAL Deficit reduction. The beauty of this approach is that it requires that Congress and Obama do what they do best - NOTHING.

Here's an interesting observation - While Obama has increased the number of people who get government assistance from about 30 million to about 47 million (Gee, I wonder how many of those 47 million voted for Obama because he promised to keep the 'freebies' coming?), the Labor Participation Rate has fallen dramatically from the historical rate of about 67% under Reagan, Clinton and Bush, to a recent historical low of about 63%. It would appear that about 6 million people have decided "Why should I work when the government gives me free food, medical care and cash aid?"

The Labor Participation Rate is defined as people who are in the working age group that are actually working or looking for a job, and is normally about 67% to 68%.

This might be great politics for the Democrats, but I don't think it's such a great idea for the government to dramatically increase the number of people 'on the dole' - at taxpayer expense.

The only thing that Obama, Boehner and Reid are interested in is POWER... they don't give a rat's rear end about the average American... all they care about is POWER, POWER AND MORE POWER and they don't care if they throw the country under the bus to get it!!

It's really that simple... now put on your bathing suits and let's go over the cliff to the cold waters of recession together!!

Woohoo Happy New Year!!

Oh and don't give me this crap about "it's the republicans fault" or "it's the democrats fault" because

we elected all these jerks and EVERYONE of them is to blame...

No matter which party your from!!

There's my compromise... They are all JERKS!!

Jim Spence, Shady Rob 64,

You can post all the vile, reprehensible, hate filled garbage about liberals that you want. You can call everyone else vile, hate filled names, and lie about their intentions. You can continue to lie, obfuscate, deflect, blame everyone else, and bemoan the fact that liberals exist in the world. Those are your rights.

But . . .

It only shows how truly uninformed, immature, and stupid you are.

I almost feel sorry for Crying Speaker Tan Man. He's in so far over his head it's laughable. He doesn't know if he should wind his butt, wipe his watch, go home or stay in Washington. Meanwhile little boy Eric Cantor is stabbing him in the back and the Republican Party is getting more unpopular each day. But then back in 2010 he invited the tea bag crazies in his tent and now he has to live with them.

"While Obama has increased the number of people who get government assistance from about 30 million to about 47 million"

How about some FACTS Roy. President Obama didn't just wave a magic wand and automatically put ab additional 17 million people on public assistance. Those laws were on the books long before he took office in 2009. The cause of it is not money the President is throwing around, the cause is the BUSH DEPRESSION that we are slowly digging out way out of -- no thanks to any Republican.

The fact is Roy -- adjusted for inflation, you have to go back to Eisenhower to find a president who has asked for less of an increase in federal spending than has President Obama.

I hope no deal is reached and everybody rooting for only one party and being stubborn suffers the most. Everybody, rip open your wallet. That's the price you pay for being piggishly ornery!

ROY WILSON-336103

This might be great politics for the Democrats, but I don't think it's such a great idea for the government to dramatically increase the number of people 'on the dole' - at taxpayer expense.

Roy, the Liberals/Progressives don't care about the taxpayers’ expense. Especially Barrack Hussein. They look at Americans as simply a source of "their" money. They believe that they should take as much of our hard earned money as possible because their delusion is that they can take care of society better than we can ourselves.

All you have to do is watch their little cartoon "The Life of Julia". The lifelong glorification of government involvement in your life. "From the womb, to the Tomb" can't be more obvious than what that insult describes. Barrack Hussein is a thoroughgoing statist, probably the worst in our history, which is saying a lot when in the company of Wilson, FDR and LBJ.

His statist ideology couldn’t be more obvious than when he parroted Elizabeth Warrens nonsensical claim that “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.” Behind this faux sophistication is the typical Ivy League faculty-lounge elitist disdain of business and all those that make more than tenured professors by excelling at it. Behind their smiling faces and feigned support of entrepreneurs is the simple obsession of “You owe us (the government).” This has been exposed during the campaign with the demonization of the successful or rich Americans who drive the largest economy in history. They don’t see entrepreneurs as self-made men or women, rather, it’s someone who got lucky and now isn’t paying his/her “fair share” of taxes.

When Barrack Hussein said, “I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.” As much as this may be true, we should value the dignity of all work, no matter how humble. What they can’t comprehend is that the hallmark of the man of extraordinary accomplishment isn’t simply work. Many of us may work as hard as someone like Steve Jobs did, but few are as driven, single-minded, risk-taking, shrewd or visionary. There are millions of Americans that could work 12 hours a day for years yet never come up with the idea for the iPad, let alone successfully manufacture and market it.

To define Steve Jobs as the product of infrastructure and government services is to devalue the very human creativity that has created all the incredible innovation we see around us. In the convoluted mind of statists Steve Jobs couldn’t get to work without roads, or couldn’t drive safely without a regulated system of driver’s licenses, so the assumption is, the DMV practically built Apple. In the statists irrational mind the way the government rewards his sterling success is to demand he express his patriotism by paying a 39.6 percent top individual tax rate and a 25 percent capital-gains rate.

Barrack Hussein claims “we’re in this together,” and the inspiration for this “togetherness” is none other than the Internal Revenue Service.

His demonization of the successful and promotion of mediocrity is right out of the Cloward-Piven school of social and economic justice. It’s much easier to control the unwashed masses than a Steve Jobs or other successful entrepreneurs. A collective of dependent Americans is much easier to manipulate as they stand in line for their unemployment checks or depend on their disability compensation.

How long have we heard his tortuous assertion that the best that American’s can achieve is to be middle class? His bizarre growth of America from “”the middle out” is as irrational as it is impossible. It’s much easier to promote mediocrity and claim success than to advocate achievement and deal with its occasional failures. The statist believes that the only successful class should spring from academia and a government that nurtures you from conception to cremation. Keeping the aggregate at a barely sustainable level allows the constant and incoherent control of them.

Keeping the masses on the dole allows for more massive infusion of borrowed or printed money in the name of “helping the little guy”. Instead of helping the little guy out of the middle class it’s easier to keep them locked in there and to continuously dangle the fear that ”things could be worse if it wasn’t for the omniscient government.” The fact that none of the “elitists” have ever created commerce is irrelevant. The faculty mentality is, that having read a few books makes you an immediate authority. If you happen to have been so capable as to have written a book you are immediately deified and placed on a pedestal. Practical experience be damned.

With this massive infusion of funds, primarily from outside sources, is of no concern as long as the grip is tightened on the electorate. No better example can be than our total failure in the “social wars.” The wars on crime, drugs, poverty and, most importantly, illiteracy are at best failures and at worst an embarrassment. Most of our social failures are a direct result of the fact that we have been graduating illiteracy from our criminal public education system for decades. The war-on-poverty has been a massive redistribution of wealth for over 47 years with no discernible improvement. A $17 trillion dollar investment into the poverty black-hole and we still have over 14% poverty rates just as we did in 1965. Of course the statists solution is simply more money. Ironically the needed funds have to just keep coming from the productive, through the massive bureaucracy of Big Government, to trickle-down to the disenfranchised masses. As much as they insult “trickle-down, they espouse the very same principle via government largesse. The failure of this delusional thinking impacts the minorities more than anyone, yet they have been indoctrinated into believing that someday, somehow, somebody will save them. And the beat goes on.

Has Barrack Hussein ever suggested that we dramatically improve our education system? Yes, he has given the compulsory rhetoric for college education, but the foundation remains a shambles. Our elementary education system is a disgrace ever since the government took control of it and, again, the typical knee-jerk response is, more money. The fact that we spend more on education than any nation, other than Switzerland, means nothing to statists. More will fix it, someday. We have seen these results, opine the continuing failure and demand more money, this is not unintentional.

Barrack Hussein has no intention of fixing the multitude systemic failures in our economy or social problems. Failure allows more government intrusion as the masses continue to suffer. The class-warfare and envy campaign is not by mistake. Demonizing the rich creates the division we see today and expands the power of government. This is all Barrack Hussein is concerned with. Keeping more and more on the public dole is a well planned and insulting result of voting a statist of this level into the presidency. Progressivism flourishes during a crisis. If there is no crisis, it’s easy enough to create one.

The fiscal cliff is a perfect example of this. Real Americans understand the timing of this crisis. This could have been averted months ago. The claim by the Democrats that this could be solved in a few hours is proof of that. Political posturing, on both sides, ideology and power are the driving forces of this debate. Democrats want to empower more government and keep more on the dole, Republicans want to reduce government and allow the Steve Jobs of America to excel.

Either way, the results will be critical on which direction our great Republic goes. Hopefully the American people demand we create more Steve Jobs and less on the government dole.

Maybe they can cut some more programs out of the budget like "school safety" wait Obama already did.

http://www.washingtonguardian.com/washingtons-school-security-failure

Maybe gun control is cheaper than school security.

JimS: Steve Jobs moved manufacturing to China where he pays $13 a DAY at his factories, but still charges $500 for a phone.

Yah, we need more people like this, YOU WORK FOR $13 A DAY.

Called Stockholder responsibility. Screw society, just maximize that profit. And of course we purchase what ever is the cheapest without regard to the cost to our society. Whaaa, I can't find a job, move to China and live in a cardboard box making $13 a day.

Dav1bg

"Maybe they can cut some more programs out of the budget like "school safety" wait Obama already did..."

Oh good grief, you're referencing 'Washington Guardian' to make your point??

Seriously, dude. Have you lost all ability to "differentiate s**t from spaghetti"???

Have you no remaining pride, at all?????

PS. Here's a hot tip for you: I can find an on-line cryptobiology blog which will certify that Sasquatch wears size 35-EEEE Air Jordan's, but I wouldn't cite it as a reference!

President Obama back at work,the Senate also. THE HOUSE YEA!!!! WELL BE BACK SUNDAY NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congratulations, 'Dav1bg'. A quick review of your Newsvine page reveals that you have posted that same bogus 'Washington Guardian' blog article link more than 10-times, ...which has earned you official, permanent "Troll" status. Your sign is in the mail. Wear it proudly.

PS. Here's another hot tip: Despite its popularity among some fringe elements of American society, repeating a lie over, and over, and over, and over, and over again ... does not make it true. Food for thought.

Gee, that's mighty white of the Weeper of the House ... I'm just surprised he's calling his teabaggers back so early! I mean, why not just have the teabaggers come back on the 31st instead of having them sit around, twiddling their thumbs for 24 hours??

The Weeper of the House probably ran out of Jack Daniels and needs something to do to occupy his time ...

Actually, depending on the way it is interpreted ......They Sabbath could/should be Saturday.

He is reconvening on Sunday to declare the session adjourned!

The Senate acted MONTHS AGO and their "bill" is already in the House but not allowed to come to a vote. Mr "Bone R" knows he cannot please his teabaggers, SO MAY BE HE SHOULD WORK WITH DEMOCRATS AND PASS WHAT IS NEEDED FOR OUR FUTURE AND NOT HIS IDEOLOGICALLY RIDICULOUS THEORY'S.

Pinto

"Hint" There are a lot less fundementalists than you would like to believe isn't there. Your point is ridiculously outdated.

DB Akron, well, that might be true outside Congress but we wouldn't know it from the words the republicans speak and the actions they take.

DB -

Um, I think there are a lot more fundamentalists than you seem to be acknowledging. For instance, the entire Tea Party, the Religious Right, hell, in some ways the RCC is going back to more funamentalist bull@!$%#.

For instance, over half the population of the US believes the Earth is less than 10,000 years old. Pretty fundamental to our understanding of history, biology, geology, astronomy, physics, and pretty much every other human endeavor into the sciences. I'd consider each and every one of those people a fundamentalist. Take the bad with the good, man.

PValdez --

The Sabbath is Saturday. Christians go to church on Sunday to "celebrate/remember the resurrection".

Pinto your right it is amazing that the Speaker of the House is letting 35 to 40 Reps run the entire country. If he would work with the middle (Dems and Repubs) and leave the fringes on both sides to whine and complain this whole thing would be over there would be no fiscal cliff, however he is afraid of his own shadow because he knows those 35 - 40 Reps will make sure he comes up against a primary fight he can't win the next time he is up for re-election and that would mean he would have to get a real job. Oh wait no he won't he will just retire on his entitlements as a Federal Employee!!!

When you take off as many day as this congress did, you can count those days as Sundays.

DB Akron, lighten up a little. Pinto was kidding, eh? He/she was just making a little joke.

hhhhmmmm You mean there are no Dems in the House?

What a sucker, to think he had a chance at re-election; no body told him he was the fall guy for those very few, minuet, minuscule, pinch of GOP that want something different than the rest of America, (they weren't even going to blink an eye when they didn't re-elect him, get security)....and his little sheep goes baaaaa

Republicons pledged their allegiance to Norquist and pledged against America...they all should be tried for treason.

starfailing go look up treason. i suspect you might find your golden idol Obama up there as well

Weaser ...

Glad to see you finally got an avatar that truly reflects you ... stone cold and out of touch.

Happy New Year,

Lameton

Nothing like a steely-eyed magnolia sour puss to spoil the day.

Only someone who is totally clueless about the founding of this nation would believe that the role of the Federal Government should be to confiscate wealth from one individual, and give it to someone else. Stupid, pathetic, greedy, selfish, little fools. Obama is the poster boy for that crowd.

(And for you thin skinned, hyper sensitive, look for anything you can to be offended about, "boy" in this instance is a generic term connected with the word poster. It has NO racial connotations. Idiots.)

Caesar...beware the Ides of march...teabagggers are out to get you....