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The day after President Obama said he would use “whatever power this office holds” to prevent more tragedies like the Sandy Hook, CT massacre, White House press secretary Jay Carney would not elaborate on what specific action he would take – but said steps would be taken in a matter of weeks, not months.
NBC News' Chuck Todd joins a conversation on the Newtown shooting and what the political response may be. Will the president tackle gun reform in a second term? Todd thinks it could be possible.
“It’s a complex problem that will require a complex solution. So I don't have a specific agenda to announce to you today,” Carney said, the day after President Obama told members of the Sandy Hook community at an interfaith vigil that he would engage his fellow citizens, “from law enforcement to mental health professionals to parents and educators” in an effort to stop such violence.
But Carney added that while there was no specific timeline, the president “didn’t talk about months or years. He said ‘coming weeks.’”
While Carney said the president remained committed to reinstating a ban on assault weapons, he would not give any indication that he would push for that or any other specific legislation.
“Gun laws are a part of this, but they are not the only part of this, as anyone who is truly an expert on these issues will tell you,” Carney said.
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Keep them guessing...LOL.
Sometimes the best strategy is a surprise...not giving your opponents enough time to respond.
p.s.: politics is an art...the art of the possible...the next best thing...a result of proper bargaining..a process of compromises...and consensus. But -
it takes willing partner to work out a deal...Is the GopTp willing??
A little lesson here my friend. Politics is the art of the "impossible" sold and attempted as possible.
One of the first laws of economics is that of scarcity of resources. One of the first laws of politics is to ignore said law of economics.
Class dismissed.
Richard Engle is the BEST & BRIGHTEST in the business!
I hope this is nothing more than another unfounded internet rumor;
Why is the onus always on the GOP? What about the other "side" of the bargaining?
Feisty - I hope this is untrue. Engel IS one of the best reporters who has great integrity and intelligence.
Feisty, I hope Richard Engel is well. He will be in my thoughts and prayers.
Seeking & Lisa,
What a loss it would be...
Don't know how much more I can withstand this year... ;o(
Feisty - I know what you mean. What a horrible December - and we have had sooo many tragedies all year. At some point the senses become numb. :-(
To be understood as > The president doesn't have a clue as to what to do. On one hand he supports gun running in Mexico, Lybia and other parts of the world, but can't come up with a salient answer to how to control mentally disturbed people from using them on children.
The best answer coming from the White House would be silence. This way they won't be stumbling over their own hypocracy to explain things they don't understand.
edgar,
stick a sock in it.
As the President has proved time and again, it is best to wait and weigh all options and work with different individuals. In this case it's not just about the guns, it's also about mental illness. I didn't vote for the President because I thought he had all the answers, I voted for him because I knew he would do what is correct for this country and would work with all branches of government to do just that.
edgar - with every post you show your hatred of the President. We get it - you wanted Romney. Now YOU get it - President Obama will be President until 2017. Get over it and try to begin to be a human being. I realize it's a stretch for you - but give it a try!
Hey pig, keep em guessing? I dont expect much more than childish antics out of this admin. Perhaps some backdoor legislating would be appropriate?
Hey Lameton, im noticing more and more you are telling people to shut up. How tolerant of you. Whats next, a call for repealing the first amendment? Maybe we can have the quartering of soldiers, you know to make sure we are kept 'safe' from ourselves..
TTTH, expect the scripted 'mandate' dialog or something to that effect.
Caesar,
Your posts on this topic throughout the various articles have been nothing short of disgusting.
Hey, WisdomFirst #1.2
Ok, with wisdom, even 'impossible' means 'possible'!!
Look carefully at the word 'impossible', then a miracle -
'Impossible' = I'm possible.
Yes, We Can.
Layton - you actually READ CA's posts? I put him on ignore a long time ago. He never has anything of value to post and - according to your post - may have hit a new low!
Obama again makes noise, but doesn't produce a plan. Please Mr. President, engage brain prior to inserting foot into mouth.
Does anyone actually believe he has a forward-thinking plan to remove guns from society?
The hastily-written plan presented 3 days after Newtown is probably not a very good idea.
Pigotry -
I'm referring specfically to finances, including financing initiatives.
Let me throw you a bone with meat on it - here boy, fetch!! The Bush Prescription Drug Program.
Hey, WisdomFirst
If you truly have wisdom, you know you are not supposed to throw a bone to a pig. Then a dog - named Bush - will complain; and I will have a bone to pick with you.
Better not to be a pork bone either.
I say tax bullets, maybe $5,000 each and require annual insurance policies for each weapon according to how many times it can be shot before reloading. A six shooter, $ 6,000,000 injury/death policy; 9 rounds, $9,000,000 policy. Every firearm owner must have a policy for each weapon and if you have no weapon, then a simple $1,000,000 policy to have firearm owner's ID card. Manufacturer's must collect on sale and all resales must be registered through manufacturer.
That way when your weapons are inevitably used to kill innocent people, at least their families will be able to collect enough money to bury their children.
Hey, Talk to the Hand
It is always the GOPTP that has refused to work with the President...so many reports of Boehner having bolted out of negotiating room in the White House.
Layton commented >
edgar,
stick a sock in it.
Why should I stick a sock in it? Aren't I entitled to a viewpoint different from yours? You think all things Obama is simply fantabulous whereas I have a much different opinion. You were entitled to your opinion when Bush was the president and I'm sure it varied greatly from mine.
Tell me you aren't one of those liberals that think they can try to cram their opinion down my throat without objection from me. Who is it forcing gestapo tactics on others?
Pigotry,
What about the reports that Obama is always moving the goal post?
Seeking Sanity mumbled something like this > edgar - with every post you show your hatred of the President.
With every post? Tell me you don't generalize like this with your children... You are misleading them if you do. How do you know I hate the president? I make one comment and immediately you expose your hand. The next thing we'll be hearing is how racist I am... It's a typical liberal ploy. I'd like to hear your opinion on the placement of Tim Scott in South Carolina... I am for it... guess that throws the race baiting card out the window...
Da Noid penned > The hastily-written plan presented 3 days after Newtown is probably not a very good idea.
Hasn't Obama had 4 years to spell out a plan... any plan... I guess he's not a forward thinker, is he?
Please, let's not feed newly hateched edgarw...
The clock is ticking on the little "guy"! lol
I seem to remember Mr. Obama doing that at least once also. Now, if it were a two way street, one side or the other wouldn't decide that it was worthless to stay and "bolt". So, what does Mr. Obama have to make them stay? Nothing. He isn't negotiating he is mandating (you libs new favorite topic)
edgar,
Just another GOP hate member of the President. You guys prove daily your lack of common sense. After all you wanted Willard Romney, and he was the worst ever to be your choice for President.
edgar- all one has to do is READ your post to see the hatred of President. Try re-reading or have someone read them to you!
"You were entitled to your opinion when Bush was the president and I'm sure it varied greatly from mine."
Ooops. Someone didn't get the memo. Not supposed to mention Bush anymore, remember?
As to what Obama should or should not do- IF he imposes more controls, the right will skewer him. If he does not, the right will skewer him. That's a fact, Jack.
Dirp has an idea > I say tax bullets, maybe $5,000 each and require annual insurance policies for each weapon according to how many times it can be shot before reloading. A six shooter, $ 6,000,000 injury/death policy; 9 rounds, $9,000,000 policy. Every firearm owner must have a policy for each weapon and if you have no weapon, then a simple $1,000,000 policy to have firearm owner's ID card. Manufacturer's must collect on sale and all resales must be registered through manufacturer.
Let's apply this to law enforcement as well. How about the military? How about private security companies? What? Don't think there's ever been senseless shootings coming from these entities?
What about all the bullets that are already in the public domain? I have over 1000 rounds in my possession. It's perfectly legal. I keep stocking up more and more too. I envision a day when liberals will somehow gain the advantage and stop the legal sales of ammo. When that day comes, I will be thankful that I had the vision to purchase them while I could.
You can forget about me registering my weapons too. If anyone asks, I tell them I sold them years ago. It would be the only way to keep them in MY possession while the government takes more and more control over my rights as a citizen. Sorry, but I don't believe the government has the answers to the ills of society. They can't even control themselves.
edgar . . .
You're definitely welcome to your own opinion but when you start making statements regarding the President and what you perceive, that's where the sock comes in. As for Bush, you betcha, he wasn't my favorite but I certainly didn't go out of my way to insult him or his administration.
Seeking Sanity quipped > edgar- all one has to do is READ your post to see the hatred of President. Try re-reading or have someone read them to you!
As long as you believe I hate the president, what's the point? You have your opinion and I have mine. Yours is no better. What, are you an avid Obama supporter? Do you fall down and worship at his feet? Can't stand it when someone disagrees with him on his policies or decision making, or lack thereof? Does this offend you? Too bad. I'm of the other percentage that didn't vote for him. Don't like it? Get over it.
Layton said this> You're definitely welcome to your own opinion but when you start making statements regarding the President and what you perceive, that's where the sock comes in. As for Bush, you betcha, he wasn't my favorite but I certainly didn't go out of my way to insult him or his administration.
I appreciate your endorsement of having my own opinion. You happen to be wrong about me making statements concerning his administration. We as citizens are allowed to disagree with the policies coming out of the White House and have every right to speak up about them.
About insulting the administration, where did I insult them? Did, or did they not approve of gun running... the program was called Fast and Furious. For them to say anything about guns is hypocracy at it's finest. Nobody has proven one way or the other about gun running in Libya. The jury is still out on that one. I say where there's smoke, there's fire.
I'm certain you disagree with this because it appears that Obama can do no wrong in your eyes. I have a more objective opinion. I have never fallen prey to his slick talking teleprompter.
Good grief!
disgusting im sure, they arent your views. I pretty much feel the same for you and hold you and brethren beneath contempt as well. but continue with being a hypocrite Lameton. I get it, we have the right to free speech as long as it is well with in the realm of your beliefs.
Drive by Observer said this extremely humorous statement > As to what Obama should or should not do- IF he imposes more controls, the right will skewer him. If he does not, the right will skewer him. That's a fact, Jack.
And so they should. I do have admit I laughed while reading this... It's about the most truthful statement I've read on these boards. Who taught you there's jest in truth? Very good!
Layton expounded > Good grief!
Quite an explicative there Layton. I guess you don't agree with my observation that the teleprompter directs his speaking. Ever heard him without it? Ummm.... ahhhhh.... ummmm.... cough... let me... ummmm, make this.... er... perfectly clear...
Offensive? Sorry...truth has it's way of upsetting some people.
Hey 1funkygirl,
two things:
One, you are a rereg of "redsux"
Two, your breasts are asymmetric.
but 'Buzz' seems to think only the GOP is the fickle party, damned if you do, damned if you dont. Yes 'Buzz's' statement bears truth, however he doesnt realize that it is applicable to either party depending on who's the president. Wash, rinse, repeat.
You kids fight nice. Edgar is entitled (I know he hates that word but I will use it anyway) to his opinion. It is humerous to see all the right wing nut jobs give us there opinions time and again only to be proven wrong over and over again. Opinions are like navels, everybody has one. It is just some folks are innies and others are outies.
Dirp's idea won't float. Just as illegal drugs are smuggeled over our borarder so there would then be an open market for illegal ammo, clips etc.
While I don't believe a civilian needs an assault weapon a single shot rifle, a shot gun or open carry pistol should be allowed. To solve the issues like happened in Conn. Colorado, the Oregon mall etc. banning guns won't do much. What will help is to train people what to look for in those who may be unstable and set up ways to get those folks help. We don't need to blab to the world that little Johnny is a whacko or little Suzie needs a psychologist but schools can work with parents to ensure that kids (and adults for that matter) get the help they need so we can avoid such things from happening. The guns don't kill anyone unless there is someone to activate the guns. If those who activate them are not playing with a full deck we can see what happens. Treat the real problem at its source and don't just put a bandaid on a deep gash as it won't work.
Caesar Augustus-
Well, I must say Parker that it seems your Flavius Stilicho outfit has returned from the dry cleaners. Seeing a lot of Visigoths are you?
Vandals ikarus. besides i live in the Pax Romana during the principate not the Domine started by the son of Zeus. Slaying boars isnt my thing. do try to keep up ;o)
Parker, the esteemed Stilicho was of Vandal descent, he descended upon the Visigoth Alaric. There was much blood.
Adler . . .
Agreed. I find the statistic about the majority of these types of tragedies being committed by white males quite telling. Working in the mental health field, I can't begin to tell you the need for services far outweighs the funding for them. I spent a bit of time on other sites over the weekend posting about NAMI and how people truly need to understand mental illness - that's it is real and it can be treated. I found this article today so telling ...
http://now.msn.com/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-says-mom-of-mentally-ill-son?
I have a friend whose 19 year old son has spent more of his life in institutions rather than at home. Now that he is an adult, she fears for the safety of others as well as her son.
As usual,The left will find a way to blame GOP for all the ills of the world.The GOP silence in this issue is probably a good thing.The Democrats are being very careful too, as nobody wants to get blown up in this political minefield.The peoples tensions and emotions are running way too high to throw anything concrete into the mix.The truth is that neither side has a plan as of yet.It is best to let things calm down rather than make hasty decisions.I am sure that both parties realize that just banning guns alone won't solve the problem.A far more comprehensive plan is needed.It is a time to grieve and reflect on what happened.It is not the time yet to start pointing fingers and screaming foul foul like some of the posts on here are doing.To blame GOP for this is absurd,They did'nt want this to happen, same as the Democrats.So let's see if anything meaningful can come out of Washington before the screaming starts.Yes that means you too pigotry.
wolfhound27
Sigh, as does the Right. With that, you missed writing a decent post.
Totally off topic but Sen. Daniel Inouye of Hawaii has died. RIP Senator.
TO: SeekingSanity who wrote:
lol !!! Me too!
Well, if the GOP doesn't want to be held to be "responsible" for what they do, they really need to stop seeking to hold positions of responsibility.
American Girl-724855
TO: SeekingSanity who wrote:
me three but for the record, seeking never put me on ignore.
Seeking & Layton,
I admire your willingness to engage Edgar, but you're talking to the ether regions of outer space. Earlier today I told him his reasoning wasn't logical, and he shot back: My arguments don't have to be logical!
Duly noted, Edgar.
Jack,
This is where you are mistaken, there is NO Edgar, only a re-reg of BrianB...
Poor little guy reeks of desperation and wanting inclusion, shame he has been banned multiple times from the "vine"... lol
His days are numbered... AGAIN! lol
No Greater Love.
There is no greater love than the love of a child for their parents and the love of a parent for their child.
This is a given.
Yet...Columbine...Virginia Tech...Tuscon...Aurora...Clackamas...and now Newtown to name a tragic few.
Because it was to soon to have the conversation at the first one, then came the next, after that the next, and now we're here. Looking at the faces of 20 (twenty!!!) children mindlessly slaughtered by a deranged maniac. This must be THE END!
The adult population of the United States is approximately 160 million.
Can even 4% show up in Washington to demand that the gun fetish of this country be regulated?
Four percent would be about 6.4 million people.
Are there that many people who would turn out to save one more child? Perhaps their child?
If we, as citizens of this nation, cannot get up and fill the mall of the Capitol and then overflow the city to demand ACTION now, then perhaps this is the doom to which our sloth will relegate us.
MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD! LET YOUR PRESENCE BE KNOWN! MARCH ON D.C. ON FEB. 14, 2013!
Show your love.
P.S. If you haven't watched "Bowling for Columbine", you owe it to yourself for understanding's sake.
Feisty,
Ohhhh, now that's interesting. I thought I had heard that irrational harangue before. The guy who thinks the Earth is only 6,000 years old and is desperately afraid we're going to marry our pets. Yep. Thanks for letting me know.
Feisty & Jack ....
That explains A LOT! Thanks you two and have a pleasant evening!
As a gun owner and member of the NRA,every time anything happens with a gun the thing out of every body's mouth is gun control.To get a carry permit in Ct.you have to 1st file with local police, they do a local back ground check ,who then send application to state police along with fingerprints,they run a check on state level,the application then goes F.BI. for national check.If your back ground check is okay you get call from local police to go to Wethersfield state police office to pick up permit.Total cost and time is 2 to 3 months and about $250. All the complaints about guns and more reg's,legal gun owners are very rarely involved.Most crimes committed by felons who either steal them or buy them from other criminals.The legal permit gun owners are hounded by the of sen.boxer and feinstein of Cal. the mayor bloomberg of N.Y.C. and others,these 3 bei.ng the loudest mouths of all.Almost forgot obama's rt.hand man in Chicago rahm emanual. All 4 have so much to say about gun control(almost impossible to get permits in their cities and state, but it seems they have the most trouble with murders and shootings,yet states that allow guns have a lot lower crime rate.The only problem is they have gun free zones and there in is the problem.If just one of the people in Newtown school had a gun,the killer could have been possibly been stopped.The killer did not have a permit,stole guns from his mother and WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE NRA.He was mentally ill and should have been in a institution.IT is my under standing unless you are hurting someone and caught at it,just saying you will hurt someone is not enough to get you off the street. I would like to see politicians solve a problem instead of creating more.Obama
wants more gun control yet atty gen can sell guns to drug cartels (fast and furious)get two border patrol agents killed and over 300 men,women,children killed(Mexican nationals) nobody says a word.obama covers for holder by executive priveledge. That's one he can't blame on Bush.
Hey, GOPisextinct (#1.39)
Wrong (and asymmetrical) place to look. Always look at girls straight in the eyes. Eyes are the most beautiful. As Sid the weasel says to manfred..you have beautiful eyes. (Ice Age)
Am I the only one this software forces into HTML mode?
Now I hear all this about 'assault rifle' and gun control. I assert there was no assault rifle involved with this atrocity. Would anyone care to contest that?
Gun control: the guns this madman used, if I read right, were stolen. And they were stolen by one adult from another adult, upon which the thief shot the gun's owner and stole her car. What new restrictions would the gun control advocates impose? And on who? The shooter? What additional legislation would you place on the shooter? What safety would these new regulations have yielded? Or maybe you propose some new regulations upon the weapon's owner? What additional restrictions would you place on her? This forum abounds with the legal hurdles she had to leap to buy her guns as existed in Connecticut already. These regulations, which by the way she obeyed, seen pretty onerous and comprehensive already.
Is the problem with the kid's madness? Who addresses that?
Hey, tom343 of #1.59
You can select your favorite mode when you type your comments - there are only 2 choices, any way.
gunfsafety ...
Tried to read your post ... it was a bit difficult. Regarding the comment I referenced, how do you know he should have been in an institution? Are all those that suffer from mental illness "institution-worthy?"
As for Senator Feinstein, she wants to bring back a bill that had lapsed in 2004. I would so suggest your listen to Cory Booker's comments. Most members of the NRA support stronger legislation to purchase weapons. They also support the States and government going after secondary gun dealers.
In this horrible tragedy, the guns were purchased and registered. We can't be "arm chair" quarterbacks or shrinks when it comes to figuring out the why. I am for more help for the SPMI population. I'm also for banning magazines that hold 30 rounds. The deer ran after the first shot ... the other 29 aren't going to get you closer.
As for the guns being stolen...The guns were registered in the mother's name, but according to what is being reported, his mother allowed him to use the guns to go to the shooting range; an activity they both enjoyed.
Is this going to be another "we have to pass it first before we know what it is"?
Doesn't David Gregory and Obama's kids go to Sidwell. Aren't there 11 armed guards at that school. I think they are looking to hire more. So he wants you to send your kids to schools that aren't protected by armed guards, but send their kids to ones with armed guards.
Does anyone actually believe he WANTS to remove guns from society?
We better start talking to Someone more powerful than the president if we want to stop all these crazy people!
More powerful...do you mean Grover Norquist...or the Pope? Or batman? or 007, or ..a martian?
Please be specific!!
Think Gary meant Fiesty. LOL
I was thinking that Michelle Obama already supports a ban on guns.
Why is the Pig so scarfing on Grover? Looking for a boinking?
Actually Grover is a true pig. I can't wait for the taxes to go up so we can watch Grover explode.
dirp
for the same reasons hitler did as well im sure.
you have to feel sorry for Pigotry,Trying to be a closed minded liberal must be a hard thing to do.
God is the One to talk to, like you didn't understand the writer's point.
Let all here who speak for a gun ban accept it upon themselves. No CCW, no armed bodyguard, not even an armed police force. Great Britain gets by supposedly with unarmed cops. Let the people deal with one another and with the minions of the state on an equal basis. Let all guns outside the military disappear.
Criminals everywhere give this mentality "two thumbs up!"
It's that season again, and I'm doing my part to make sure all NRA members get their fluoride shots whether they want them or not!!
Fluoride shots are the best preventative measure against the deadly paranoia that NRA members are subject to during their "why is everyone trying to take our freedom away by making us undergo background checks" season.
But it may be hopeless, because following the "why is everyone trying to take our freedom away by making us undergo background checks" season, there's the "why is everyone trying to take our freedom away by banning military style assault weapons, thus preventing us from defending ourselves against Government tyranny" season.
The simple truth of the matter is that the NRA and anyone who supports it are true sociopathic sickos, who not only need fluoride shots, but need a good dose of empathy for the hundreds of thousands of people who have died from gun violence but wouldn't have if the NRA members weren't such sick bastards.
one very tough issue. I see both sides, part of me wants to outlaw all guns, but I don't think that would work.
Our president has a tough job, and my prayers go out to him!
Perhaps purchasing a gun should be more like getting a drivers licence.!st you have to go to drivers ED,Then take a written exam,possibly even a driving test.Hmmm translate..Gun owners ED,written exam,shooting range test = purchase gun.That would certainly weed out those not mentally capable of passing the the tests.
wolfhound27: It is a start. It will teach the gun-nuts who were not in the service (me) and the ones who had no upbringing with firearms. The people that feel it is very feminine to use the safety or clear the chamber.
Wolfhound and Exito the NRA states that you take course on how to safely handle a gun and how to use it.In CT you have to take the NRA gun safety course before you can get a gun permit along with a background check local,state police,and F.B.I.
Can't be, Wolfhound. A driver's license is, according to the state, a privelege. Owning arms is an enumerated right, comparable to the right to vote. No tests, no taxes, the only concievable prior restraints are proof of citizenship, proof of residency, proof of age and not being a convicted felon.
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It's odd to me that CONSERVATIVES want the most LIBERAL gun laws. When Gabby Giffords was shot, a couple of guys nearby were able to tackle and restrain the shooter because he'd paused to reload. The principal and counselor at Sandy Hook tried to stop the shooter as well, but they didn't have even a remote chance against an automatic rifle that didn't require reloading.
If some one there had a gun it might have made a difference
turn off MSNBC it was not a automatic , automatics are illegal. Didn't require reloading ? you should not comment on something you know nothing about.
This is a touchy subject; the machine this madman used certainly had to be reloaded now and again, but it was not automatic, like a Tommy gun. It was not by any means an assault rifle. It operated the same way as various military and hunting guns have operated since before 1900. No more, no less. Dealy and efficient. But nothing special.
It's time to start a movement to repeal the 2nd Amendment. There, I said it.
And to all the fools who like to talk about the Founding Fathers, revolvers didn't even exist at the time the Constitution was written. The firearms in colonial days were cumbersome, inaccurate, and very time-consuming to load.
There are a few legitimate reasons to own guns, but far less than people on these boards like to say there are.
And as far as the specious argument that if more people went around armed, less tragedies like this would happen, well, I certainly don't want to get caught in the crossfire when a bunch of liqoure-up hillbillies decide to open fire to "defend" themselves.
Everyone says it would be impossible to eliminate guns from our society. I say it isn't. It might take a couple of decades, or generations, but the sooner we start passing legislation in that direction, the sooner we'll accomplish it.
We live in the most violent country on the planet. Of all the industrialized nations on Earth, we have more murders each year than the next 10 or 15 combined. How's that for American Exceptionalism?
So we have armed guards at banks but not schools, therefore we care more for our money than our children’s lives. Are armed guards effective? When was the last mass murder at a bank? Going postal: the term came from an UNARMED group. I noticed that they didn’t call it going bankal!!! And I bet there are plenty of people who would like to go bankal. Therefore being armed is both a deterrent and a safety edge. The term over educated idiots comes to mind when I think of our schools.
NOTE TO POLITICIANS: If you pass a law that makes my new $1500 assault rifle illegal I will make a note of your name and vote for anybody else in November. Also note, there are 300 million guns in the US; that is a lot of votes. The term political suicide comes to mind.
Because our government refuses to protect our children I can’t help but get the feeling that they are using our feelings for our children’s safety to get us to give up our 2nd amendment rights???
Gun laws are effective?? Look at Canada: In America 80% of the prison population is black, and about the rest are Hispanic. I don’t see blacks and Hispanics in Canada, so I expect that they would have a lower crime rate. Apples and oranges comparison. Look at Mexico: Hispanic population, whole towns getting wiped out by illegal gun toting gangs. Their government threw the population to the wolves with gun control.
Why is our government loading up on ammunition while at the same time trying to pass gun laws??
Why Does The U.S. Government Need So Much Ammunition?
In my previous article, I also noted that the U.S. government appears to be very rapidly making preparations for something really big.
This week, it was revealed that the Social Security Administration plans to buy 174,000 hollow point bullets which will be delivered to 41 different locations all over America.
Now why in the world does the Social Security Administration need 174,000 bullets?
And why do they need hollow point bullets? Those bullets are designed to cause as much damage to internal organs as possible.
But of course this is only the latest in a series of very large purchases of ammunition by U.S. government agencies. The following is from a recent article by Paul Joseph Watson....
Back in March, Homeland Security purchased 450 million rounds of .40-caliber hollow point bullets that are designed to expand upon entry and cause maximum organ damage, prompting questions as to why the DHS needed such a large amount of powerful bullets merely for training purposes.
This was followed by another DHS solicitation asking for a further 750 million rounds of assorted bullets, including 357 mag rounds that are able to penetrate walls.
Now why in the world would the government need over a billion rounds of ammunition?
If it was the U.S. military I could understand this. You can burn through a whole lot of ammunition fighting wars.
But this makes no sense - unless they believe that big trouble is coming.
George Soros:
Perhaps even more disturbing is what he believes is coming after the financial collapse....
As anger rises, riots on the streets of American cities are inevitable. “Yes, yes, yes,” he says, almost gleefully. The response to the unrest could be more damaging than the violence itself. “It will be an excuse for cracking down and using strong-arm tactics to maintain law and order, which, carried to an extreme, could bring about a repressive political system, a society where individual liberty is much more constrained, which would be a break with the tradition of the United States.”
"Automatic weapon" huh? How are people so ignorant?
sensible gun control...long overdue..there should be a middle ground that guarantees people's right to life and 2nd amendment right.
Libertarian here.
Where is the democratic party as a whole here? I see only a slightly higher representation of call for action amongst Democratic politicians than I do of Republicans.
If you really think that the Democratics are much "cleaner" on this issue than republicans you are greatly confused. Republicans back the NRA in the open. Democrats do so but behind the curtain. Do you have a preference?
The NRA, as with any lobby group, can only influence. It's the individual who has to decide to back it or not.
WisdomFirst - a number of the Democrats who have supported the NRA in the past HAVE stepped up and said we need tighter gun controls. It is a start but also has to have Republican backing.
SS what is that "number of Democrats" you speak of. 10, 100? It may take more than "a number" of Republicans depending on your answer.
Kind of an open end statement leaving MUCH speculation.
More laws will not stop peoplle who already have guns or will buy them on the black market, We need more citizens allowed to carry side arms. May be then bad people will think before they open fire, if they do start shooting some one will be near by to put a stop to it. Do you think the Jews would have wanted some protection?
yolocobo ....
That is not the answer - that kind of thinking gives too many people the idea that they can take justice into their own hands in ANY kind of situation.
yolocobo - well the "loco" part of our moniker is correct. How many shootouts on the streets each day would make you happy? Clearly you wanted to live during the Wild West. We are past that - at least MOST of us are!
SS you may want to check the headlines from Chicago this weekend. Not so rosy. Seems like they want to be Dodge City rather than the Windy City.
Talk - I LIVE in Chicago. I know what is happening here. Maybe you should worry about your own city - or the mall in Okalhoma; or the hospital in Alabama; or .....
If Obama and so many of the democrats seriously wanted to do something then start with stopping all this non-sense about blaming a gun. It is just the means, the problem is the individual and it's people like Obama and the demo's that help create them. How, you do all you can to take God out of the schools, you allow Hollywood to make sickening evil movies, you allow the video industry to make games for kids about killing, trash talking women, killing cops and much more. No the problem is not the gun. I don't hear you wantiing to ban alcohol and vehicles. Those two kill more innocent victims by far....by far! When you really want to get serious then there are plently of us ready to listen and talk.
And yet it takes a tragedy in a far away town for you to jump in with both feet rather than advocating on a weekly if not daily basis on your very own, close environment. That is my only point. If you have the same thing in your own back yard, do you just go across town?
I do worry about where I live. probably at least one or two shootings a week. Some of them however are shop owners defending themselves and shooting the perpetrators. Oh that's right, can't do that in Chicago without being put in jail for breaking the ever so ever tight regulations.
rukidding - you're truly delusional and you show it with every post. YHou are truly sick and demented - but after reading your posts for so long, we expect nothing more.
Talk - how the hell do you know what I do daily or weekly in Chicago to help our situation? Maybe you should actually HAVE A DAMNED CLUE before you type your tripe!
Oh, and let's get this straight - YOU DO NOTHING in your own town because as you have shown over and over today - you DON'T GIVE A DAMN!
The 2nd amendment lets you have your guns. So outlaw the bullets.
"How, you do all you can to take God out of the schools..."
Doesn't look like he does much good IN schools. Or was he elsewhere that day last week in Connecticut??
seeking -- what type of additional laws do you believe will prevent the kind of tragedy we experienced last week? ban all weapons? chicago passed a handgun ban a couple of decades ago with this result
"In the decade after it outlawed handguns, murders jumped by 41 percent, compared with an 18 percent rise in the entire United States.
One problem is that the bans didn't actually have any discernible effect on the availability of guns to people with felonious intent."
as a resident of chicago i would expect that you would be calling on the mayor and folks like jesse to get the problem fixed. have you done this? have they responded? or because they are democrats you will cut them a break?
Rukidding - so you believe that NONE of the children killed, the adults killed or their families believed in and worshipped God? How amazing that you know this. Because, according to your "logic" had God been in their lives this tragedy would not have happened.
billybob - We've gone over this but let's try one more time since you appear to have difficulty understanding. We hope for a ban on semi-automatic and assault weapons plus clips that provide for more than 10 shots. Got it???? Better background checks and training of weapons before you can have them.
We propose better mental health facilites - re-opening ones Regan had closed because the just weren't important in his estimation. Teach professionals how to better recognize the signs of mental illness so they can be addressed BEFORE not after a tragedy like this.
That's a start and I'm sure there are more ideas that specialists will come up with.
And yes Scarlet, I do give a damn. Punks are punks. The entitlement mentality dictates that we should all be equal. So when someone comes to your house to grab your computer and flat screen TV because you have one and they don't (event though they are going to pawn it for drug money) you should just say "help yourself. I feel your pain and I want to make the playing field equal."
To use your own words,
Talk - again with the entitlement crap. VERY few people believe they are "entitled." The entitlement lie is the one Republicans love to spread to scare the mental midgets they can get to vote for them. NO, you DON'T give a damn or you wouldn't post such stupidity!
The NRA is the voice of millions and millions of men, women and children. These folks mourn and pray and feel just as bad about this madman's spree as anyone else. Anyone saying the NRA or its policies had any responsibility for this massacre or bears any guilt is just exercising their own political will on the poor dead kids.
Those of you who enter this forum with an open mind, cut throught the bad grammar and worse spirit and decide for yourselves whether the noise you hear from those who would ban citizens from arms is any different or any more lucid as this same noise was two weeks ago. These people are merely opportunists.
Job1- the 2nd amendment speaks to arms, not just guns. And it says "shall not be infringed" And if, please God, the United States exists 100 years hence and is still a nation where the citizen trumps the state (just how it was designed in 1789) then they will be talking death rays or phasers or whatever comes along in the future to make guns obsolete.
So banning ammunition or taxing arms and ammunition prohibitively cannot happen while the 2nd amendment is around.
"God" has never stopped anyone from being violent. In fact, the exact opposite is closer to the truth.
Doesn't David Gregory and Obama's kids go to Sidwell. Aren't there 11 armed guards at that school. So he wants you to send your kids to schools that aren't protected by armed guards. Typical.
sen. mccain and his viagra men already opposed whatever it was/is....
where did you read that one?really?where? I guess i will go to Mccain's web site and ask him myself since he knows more about defending this country that you ever could.
While you are at it, could you please direct me to where it states that McCain and his "men" use Viagra? I am sure ulong-pare would not put tis into his comment if it was not true.
With over 300 million guns in the hands of private citizens, and ACTUAL crime statistics plummeting over the past decade or so, perhaps we should be informed by the periodic tragedies we have suffered as a nation, rather than succumbing to the knee jerk reactions above.
We are not going to ban guns, or even assault weapons. Even if we could, the "profile" of the type of individual who is capable of subjecting others to this brand of horror would be unlikely to be thwarted, or even deterred.
We can make the waiting period at gun shows align with the waiting period at other venues.
We can enforce gun laws as they exist, as there are a multitude.
We can better evaluate the EDP to assess the potential for violence
Families can be more vigilant in their supervision of same.
I wish we could legislate away random acts of senseless violence, as I am sure everyone regardless of their political position or opinion on guns in general would too, but faced with the harsh reality of things as they are, we will mourn the dead, wring our hands, call for an "end to this.."
and live in mortal fear of the next incident...
Dangerfield, you're too fatalistic! I'm certainly not suggesting banning all guns, but I don't see a problem with banning assault weapons. If he'd been wielding a knife instead of an automatic rifle, do you really believe 27 people would've been killed?
Columbine, Virginia Tech, Oak Creek, Clackamas, Tucson, Northern Illinois, Aurora, Newtown...
If it was one incident then reaction could most definitely be defined as "knee-jerk"...but after all of this and more doesn't it cease to be "knee-jerk"?
not based on the definition (And you could have made a MUCH longer list)
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an immediate unthinking emotional reaction produced by an event or statement to which the reacting person is highly sensitive; - in persons with strong feelings on a topic, it may be very predictable.
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This thread and others is marked by emotional reactions to THIS incident. The incidents you cite are all terrible but also isolated and all share the knee jerk reaction to "do something!" based on the emotional trauma of the moment.
Knee jerk means an automatic emotional response to a given situation. I would opine that this response is the definition of that phrase, and the gist of most of the comments thereto.
Dangerfield,Great Post
Nice job Dangerfield. Very nice.
dangerfield so if now is not the time to have a knee jerk reaction then when is it? Something this terrible should shake everyone to the core as it did you, as it did me. Sometimes only a moment in time like this can FORCE people to do something. Semantics aside, something needs to be done.
The half measures you mentioned although well and good do not even address the elephant in the room - the false need for people to have military grade, high ammo magazined weapons.
Although you deign to watch MSNBC, I think Joe Scaraborough's comment was pretty right on. It is time to address the Mental health issues of people like this not through less health insurance and less care but with more. It is time to address the glorification of guns and violence in our culture.
I can sometimes be rational, see both sides of the position, even go against "my supposed team" from time to time but not on this. There should be no teams or sides when we are talking about realistic measures to try to curtail these events which have become all too common. We should all be on the side of the innocent and to do what we can to address real gun control, to provide quality mental health care. It appears as if even Obama and some Democrats will finally show a bit of courage to go against the gun lobby.
Just
my two centsie. knee jerk immediate, irrational, unthinking emotional thoughts.Dangerfield, Standing O. well said. Yes the knee jerk reactions, this was a tragedy no doubt. I have a child in kindergarten so my heart goes out. But the silliness that spews from a number of posters on here.
Noid there were Assault weapons ban pre- Columbine, you know harris and klebold tried to blow up the school, the shooting was a result of the bombs not detonating. Neither used high cap mags or powerful rifles (tec 9 and a hipoint carbine and each had sawed off shotguns). No one seems to mind the weekend massacres that occury in the large cities across america.
Mark- (I voted you up btw)
That's a pretty long post to first misinterpret what I said and then second it.
Sorry that my pragmatism has upset you, but things are what they are.
Lastly, you can't say that "there should be no teams" in the same paragraph as;
"It appears as if even Obama and some Democrats will finally show a bit of courage to go against the gun lobby."
The children who were murdered were not on ANY team they were INNOCENTS.
The sadness I feel is compounded by the rank politicization of the tragedy.
When I expressed similar thoughts about the Benghazi Incident, I believe you agreed then.
and finally I don't have half measures, or any "measures" at all, as I don't have any answers at all to random, unpredictable horrific, unthinkable tragedies like this. But I do wish to God that someone did.
Dangerfield, I always enjoy reading your posts. You call them as you see them. Good for you.
dangerfield
A dose of pragmatics might lessen the toll. Standing pat is a dead end.
Any gun control legislation's effect on this will be long term and may in the end not have that much impact on the determined nut case determined to take as many as they can with them. With that said, we do need to do something. Also, since I don't believe there has been any gun control legislation in the past 50 years that required a law abiding gun owner to surrender their guns, let's get past this idea of "they going to take your guns away" crap. What we can do is:
not going to happen darth lib
CA. you're probably right. The NRA and the Republicans will stomp their foot, obstruct and block the items I listed above. The only impact the items I listed above would have on current law abiding gun owners is 1) they would no longer be able to purchase assault rifles and large ammo magazines and 2) suffer a slight inconvenience of a waiting period. Is any of this really that unreasonable? Do you sleep better at night knowing this won'r happen?
To all responsible gun owners, please go to Lowes and get a solid heavy duty I-bolt. Please thread it into a stud and secure your guns with a bike lock cable. This may have saved the gunman's mother and prevented a massacre.
to say we need to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally disturbed sounds great but, the definition of it could include dam near everyone.do you take antidepressants? do you or have you ever spoken to a psycologist? what meds are you currently on? the list for exclusion could be quite large.
Al in Visalia CA: You are not asking for a lot. There is one more that sticks to my craw and that is training. Just so they know the basic handling for their own and others good.
No Al it's as simple as the Constitution affords me the right to bear arms and if the GOP is going to stand up for that, then fine let them stomp. Interesting though how a valid ID to vote (not a guaranteed right in the constitution) makes the lefts head explode and stomp feet.
PS AL i am one of those responsible gun owners and its called a SAFE. i have one and have the keys to it where my kids have no access. But let me wonder this, is money safe in a bank despite bars and locks and alarms? If somebody wants something bad enough, they'll take it regardless of law.
Kelly Clarkson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_L80avABPw
Do you remember me?
I sat upon your knee
I wrote to you
With childhood fantasies
Well, I'm all grown-up now
And still need help somehow
I'm not a child
But my heart still can dream
So here's my lifelong wish
My grown-up christmas list
Not for myself
But for a world in need
******
No more lives torn apart
That wars would never start
And time would heal all hearts
And everyone would have a friend
And right would always win
And love would never end
This is my grown-up christmas list
Kelly Girl is one of the best...to break away...
I hope the GOP will break away from the claws of Tea Potty on fiscal cliff and gun control issues.
Pat - we sang that song at one of our Christmas concerts when I was in high school. It is one of my favorites.
SSanity, it is a beautiful beautiful song.
Also, I saw your message to me in First Thoughts but by the time I saw it, the thread was so long that I thought I'd wait until I saw you elsewhere.
I just wanted to tell you that I agree with you - those children in the photo actually made President Obama smile, and not the other way around.
Pat, thank you for always reminding me to look at the Obamadiary. It is so revealing about our President and more times than not, makes me smile.
I hope you and your family have wonderful holidays.
You too Seeking.
It's difficult to have input on this. On one hand, I know everyone is sick of hearing stories like this, or picking up their local paper and hearing about someone getting shot. On the other hand, quite a few of these crimes are done by people who shouldn't have had legal access to the weapons in the first place.
yes, the propsed new regulations are supposed to take care of this.
Except the new regulations are the same as the existing regulations.
Might be why there are no details.
Murder is unlawful....... how it's accomplished shouldn't be the main concern.
read in local paper last week a drug dealer and user 3rd time jailed was caught with drugs and a 45 in his car, as a convicted felon he shouldn't have a gun,bought it from another felon who most likely stole it,possibly from a cop.
So we have armed guards at banks but not schools, therefore we care more for our money than our children’s lives. Are armed guards effective? When was the last mass murder at a bank? Going postal: the term came from an UNARMED group. I noticed that they didn’t call it going bankal!!! And I bet there are plenty of people who would like to go bankal. Therefore being armed is both a deterrent and a safety edge. The term over educated idiots comes to mind when I think of our schools.
The second amendment has nothing to do with hunting rifles, but with citizens having fully capable and modern weapons.
NOTE TO POLITICIANS: If you pass a law that makes my new $1500 assault rifle illegal I will make a note of your name and vote for anybody else in November. Also note, there are 300 million guns in the US; that is a lot of votes. The term political suicide comes to mind.
Because our government refuses to protect our children I can’t help but get the feeling that they are using our feelings for our children’s safety to get us to give up our 2nd amendment rights???
Gun laws are effective?? Look at Canada: In America 80% of the prison population is black, and about the rest are Hispanic. I don’t see blacks and Hispanics in Canada, so I expect that they would have a lower crime rate. Apples and oranges comparison. Look at Mexico: Hispanic population, whole towns getting wiped out by illegal gun toting gangs. Their government threw the population to the wolves with gun control.
Why is our government loading up on ammunition while at the same time trying to pass gun laws??
Why Does The U.S. Government Need So Much Ammunition?
In my previous article, I also noted that the U.S. government appears to be very rapidly making preparations for something really big.
This week, it was revealed that the Social Security Administration plans to buy 174,000 hollow point bullets which will be delivered to 41 different locations all over America.
Now why in the world does the Social Security Administration need 174,000 bullets?
And why do they need hollow point bullets? Those bullets are designed to cause as much damage to internal organs as possible.
But of course this is only the latest in a series of very large purchases of ammunition by U.S. government agencies. The following is from a recent article by Paul Joseph Watson....
Back in March, Homeland Security purchased 450 million rounds of .40-caliber hollow point bullets that are designed to expand upon entry and cause maximum organ damage, prompting questions as to why the DHS needed such a large amount of powerful bullets merely for training purposes.
This was followed by another DHS solicitation asking for a further 750 million rounds of assorted bullets, including 357 mag rounds that are able to penetrate walls.
Now why in the world would the government need over a billion rounds of ammunition?
If it was the U.S. military I could understand this. You can burn through a whole lot of ammunition fighting wars.
But this makes no sense - unless they believe that big trouble is coming.
George Soros:
Perhaps even more disturbing is what he believes is coming after the financial collapse....
As anger rises, riots on the streets of American cities are inevitable. “Yes, yes, yes,” he says, almost gleefully. The response to the unrest could be more damaging than the violence itself. “It will be an excuse for cracking down and using strong-arm tactics to maintain law and order, which, carried to an extreme, could bring about a repressive political system, a society where individual liberty is much more constrained, which would be a break with the tradition of the United States.”
"We can't do anything because of the Second Amendment," say many.
So, we can't do anything about gun control because of the Second Amendment because the Second Amendment is somehow sacred?
I wonder...will the same people who today are fighting for the sanctity of the Second Amendment fight as hard for the First, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments the next time someone wants to have a discussion about The Patriot Act?
I wonder if you will fight as hard for the 2nd as you do for the 1st, 4th, 5th and 6th.
That's an easy one as the answer is yes. To call for immediate removal of all guns from the market and for the confiscation of ALL GUNS currently owned legally by the citizenry of this nation is naive, foolish, stupid, unreasonable, unacceptable, etc.
...but ask yourself this...
Is the Second Amendment absolute?
The Supreme Court has already determined that the First Amendment is not...you can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater, you can't practice polygamy if you're a Mormon and if your religious beliefs called for human sacrifice you couldn't do it.
So, if the First Amendment is not absolute why should the Second Amendment be absolute?
Did the Founding Fathers really intend for us to be so bound and gagged by the Second Amendment that we would allow our kids to be gunned down by a Bushmaster without trying to do all that we could to remove it from the equation?
Now, I know the next argument...it is that criminals will still find a way to get illegal guns. Is that really an excuse, however, to do nothing? By that reasoning we should find every book of laws in this nation and burn them all and strike all laws from the books and revert to complete anarchy.
That's right, no more speed limits because speed limits don't stop people from driving too fast. No more stop signs or stop lights because those don't stop people from driving illegally through intersections. We shouldn't make murder illegal because it won't stop people from killing each other if they really want to.
Of course, that will put a serious damper on the pro-life movement as there will never be a law to make abortion illegal since the criminals would simply find a way around that law. Bummer.
If you have a gun because you enjoy hunting, great. I have many friends who hunt and I don't wish to interfere with them. Why do you need a Bushmaster to hunt...or is it because you're a lousy shot so you're going to make up for quality with quantity?
Likewise I have many friends who own handguns because they want to protect themselves. Again, I have no issue with that, but does a Bushmaster really make you that much more protected?
I will stand opposed as someone who does not own a gun of any type to a complete ban.
You also know that our government is in a way, That once they start something they won't stop.They won't stop untill our rights are totaly controlled by them.
...and this is why we get nothing accomplshed...because people fail to see things as anything other than the absolute.
At some point aren't we going to even try and trust one another or are we always to assume the extreme from each other?
Da Noid - butthead51 is one of those who scream about the boogeyman under the bed. They try to scare everyone about everything. It is futile to try to reason with people like that.
As 25 feet is about all that would be between you and an intruder, that gives one 2 maybe 3 shots at said intruder. If a person can't hit something at that range what good will a 16 round mag. do for that person? and yes I'm a gun owner,I was raised with guns around and taught to respect them.
interesting NOID, yes i would fight for any of the bill of rights, i dont pick and choose. dont you find it interesting that the founding fathers made the right to bear arms the second of the bill of rights? I dont suppose you think Geo. or Thomas or John were gun toting bible thumpers eh? Member they were all bleeding heart commies like we have today right? I suspect the realized the importance of the populace to be armed not only to put down insurrection but to fight tyranny within the government.
Geeze that depends on what you are protecting? I wonder if our military should be brought to use Swords instead. I mean why would they feel more protected with a M4 vs an AK47 (common weapon of most of US's enemies). Such naivety that you think our nation couldnt fall to tyranny even from with in.
translation: my way is the correct way of thinking and it's nigh time you realize it. Join us or die.
SCORECARD...
Mass Shootings in Elementary Schools in the United States: 1
Tyrannical Presidents Requiring Threat of "Second Amendment Remedy": 0
I want to attribute this to standard PR caution, but I think Carney and Obama seem to have different political viewpoints outright. When Obama said we need to have "meaningful action", Carney said not long after that today was not the time; now this.
Sometimes a litmus test is bad; sometimes, one is necessary. Here, the President needed to give him one before hiring, to make sure the boss and employee are sending the same message. Instead, Carney looks both nervous and contradictory.
2nd ammendment >>> right to bear arms for self protection and/or against tyranny...
so far, i have not heard of a good news about gunslingers protecting themselves and their neighbors against tyrants foreign or domestic... 'cept of course in flo'duh, neighborhood watchdudes...
Then you haven't looked for any non mainstream news.
Networks do not cover stories that don't support their political views.
Voice - actually, not so "of Reason". EVERY network covers tragedies like the one in Connecticut. None are exempt
Seeking Reality,
Did you even read the post I replied to?
Run a search "woman defends herself with gun"
Did NBC, CBS, ABC, or CNN run those as headlines? Did the commentators all give their opinions?
Voice - Networks do not cover stories that don't support their political views Dumb comment as networks cover all news that is relevant.
Did you say MEDIA. The MEDIA has a way of twisting words around, To say somebody said something , When acually they said something totally different.
LOL! That's why we have "Entertainment News" on the front page every day....because that's so relevant, and some stories that are controversial get "printed" and buried at 1am.
That's not "won't detail" but "doesn't have the details yet but will release them soon."
Headline written should be no less accurate than reporting.
A bit off of topic..... But as I've listened to the news unfold I've noticed how the story has changed. For example: At first the assault weapon (.223 Bushmaster) was said to have not been used and now we learn that it was. On learning this I wondered how many thought that the first reports were lies and a cover up?Personally, I did not. But like Benghazi, the early reports provided by the experts were inaccurate.
Perhaps it is time for reasonable people to accept that one can be mistaken about the facts without being a liar. In an environment of confusion and overwhelming emotion it is easy to make honest mistakes in the rush to provide details to an information hungry public.
Firearm regulation, better mental health services, an alert and aware social network that can quickly respond to an individual in need....all of this will help. But until we can find it in our American culture to be understanding of alternate points of view and until we can find the willingness to respectively disagree we will continue to provide the twisted validation and justification of similar horrific events.
campdog - I believe as investigations go deeper in any tragedy like this, details - like the Bushmaster - change. It is normal and should be expected.
Hopefully we will all come together and insist on better mental health service and better firearm regulation. It is way past time.
Then the press and all the "leakers but only on condition of anonymity" need to shut up until they know the story. It has become quantity over quality. I think the American people would prefer correct information rather than running their mouths (and keyboards) with sketchy information. Last Friday was a perfect example of it. And I am as guilty as MANY others right here today. Commented on sketchy info and had to rethink my position on a couple of items.
Seeking and Talk.....
We're on the same page. Like you, Seeking, I think it is totally to be expected for the facts to become confused and then misreported. It happened here and it happened with Benghazi.
And Talk.... thanks for being honest enough to admit that you are human and sometimes draw conclutions too quickly.
campdog ...
I read your post above earlier today and the statement about the information hungry puplic caught my eye. We are a society that wants everything NOW and whine we can't get just that, be it news or the latest version of the iPhone. I don't carry my cell phone with me 24/7, I used to like to watch the news in the evening while the stories were investigated during the day. We get what we want, however it might not always be correct.
It's not really fair to hold the press and affiliates responsible for how naive we are as people. I don't necessarily agree with everything that is said and even less with how its sad, but it's a business just like any other business. Their product, the news, has to be the most up to date and for speed you often have to take a gamble on accuracy. Honestly, how upset would the nation be if they didn't hear about things until WEEKS after an even happened? They would probably riot. Also, human beings run news stations, blogs, the press, etc., Not all-seeing, all-knowing super beings. There is a disconnect amongst people about what the words "to inform" mean. Perhaps we should spend less time blaming the press, and more time gathering our orn thoughts and information?
Three days after this tragedy is not the time for the White House to issue detailed plans of how the President thinks the issue should be addressed. It is time for everyone to have the discussion that we are facing the intersection of two difficult issues----mental health concerns and gun laws. The discussion of the need for changes can begin and after we have all had a chance to mourn the real hard work can be undertaken. I am confident that if the President says "weeks" that is what he means.
Hey Morgs74,
What would mean more to you, a little boy or girls life or your right to own a fire arm. Try telling the parents or loved ones that the Bushmaster was meant to kill animals. See if that makes them feel better, or better yet. If YOUR child or loved was killed by one, how would YOU FEEL THEN ! No Ian is not ignorant, just sharing what he knows. As for you right own and bare arms, you have that right as long as you are a "Sane, Safe and Responsible" owner ! Most people including myself have NO issue with that. So NO I am NOT after your gun (s).
I am sorry for the lives lost, Lil children should not suffer for anybodies mistake, But it happens all over the world every day. But if you take everybodies assualt weapon from them, Then only the army and criminals will have them.
any gun can be a assault weapon it depends on which side of the gun your on
In the world of the newsies it is get the story and get it now. Scoop everyone else so you can boast that you got it first from them. So what if it is inaccurate that can be fixed as things develop the main thing is get the story out to he public with it's insatiable desire to have it all and have it now, instant gratification. Modern rapid media makes this possible. Why have such media if you don't use it? Personally I can wait on stories like this but than I am of an older generation, one who depended as much on newspapers as broadcast media. Back then Huntly/Brinkly did it well. Walter Cronkite could be trusted to give us the story even if it was a few minutes old. Edward R. Morrow could always be trusted with giving us the whole story and Gabriel Heater too. Today it is more corporate than truth, more corporate than service to the public that news used to be. Today too much of what is called news is either gossip or opinion and the real news is a bother to report for many in media. That is largely because only a hand full of people or companies own all the media instead of many different people and companies owning the media with much more of a need to get it right and do the job well.
All I know is , I don't want my rights stripped away from me because we have a few bad apples that sociaty can't seem to get control of. We the people have the right to bear arms, Against any attack, And to protect our rights with, The 2nd amendment was written to protect us against all attackers, To protect our family, Our property, And against a tyrany government. Our government already changed it once to suit them in 2008, To try to stop us from using our right to bear arms against our government, So half of our 2nd Amendment is gone, And some of the people want to give our government full control of our lives and what we can have and not have., And those WBC church goers that think it would be alright to stop sale of bullets for our guns, Or make them so exspensive to buy we can't aford them, All i can say is, If you think that guns are the problem, When guns can't be bought or bullets can't be bought, They could possibly build bombs and kill even more inoccent people with 1 boom instead of many.I don't know about you all, But I don't want a country that is totally controlled by a government. And that is what they are trying to do With this ammo they recieved by these mass shootings. The anti gun activist of this country is feeling like they might win, And they might, But it will be a sad day in this country, when we loose our right to bear arms.
butthead - an apt moniker.
Can't you guys get off your one trick pony? No moderate person is suggesting taking away all guns, despite all the 'Bamy gonna take mah guns lunacy. We're talking sane restrictions. There is NO sporting or home defense use for a thirty round clip. If you need thirty rounds to shoot a deer or are too lazy to reload, just go home. A pistol is the best for home defense - it's hard to get to an assault rifle. Look, you drive a care but most sane people agree you shouldn't dive it while guzzling from a whiskey bottle. A little moderation wouldn't hurt. We don't need rapidfire megaclips and exploding targets except for stupid Rambo wannabees. Let them play video games.
The government does not want the AMERICAN people to be able to defend thierself against the government.
Jim - it's useless to try to use reason with people like butthead. They are beyond help!
seekingsanity, You must work for the Government.
You are a @!$%#in moron
If you call sitting at home all day on your arse spewing liberal crap as working for the goverment then yes , seekingsanity works for the goverment.
Of course the GOP is silent. This issue has nothing to do with protecting billionaires. If twenty billionaires were shot instead of twenty six-year-olds, they'd be screaming. G. O. P. = Greedy Old Prix.
Guns aren't the problem. Problem people are the problem.
Example given: On the same day of the Sandy Hook shootings, some guy in China stabbed 22 Primary School kids.
The question is: What to do about problem people?
We need to have a serious and uncomfortable discussion about ourselves. Time to look in the mirror, America.
That being said, the silence of the GOP and the NRA is deafening ... and perhaps defining.
It doesn't matter.............the criminals are not going to follow their new gun laws anyway!! Just another waste of time and a feel good moment for our elected public servants!! They all have armed guards and security around them 24/7......but "we the people" have to depend on the local police officers and the swat team to protect us!! Just my thoughts!!
guns are not the problem; crazy people are the problem.
crazy people with easy access to guns is a problem ... the easy access to guns is another.
BAN ASSAULT WEAPONS.
Mandatory nationwide background checks for all weapons purchased no matter the venue.
Don't even go there, get rid of the guns, gun controll needs to be asap adressed or are you waiting for the next episode.
Well would love to sit and chat here but i have to go work so i can help do my part to support the lazy ass Obama voters!
Let's take a moment to address all the people who say they need "killing" weapons to keep the government from oppressing them.
When the government comes with F-35 jets dropping twelve 500 lb bombs on you before you can see it or a 60 ton M1A2 Abrams with Chobham armor firing high explosives rounds with laser guided, computer controlled precision or an Apache helicopter firing Hellfire missiles or even a platoon of front line, fully trained troops: do you think your AR-15, Bushmaster .223, AK-47 or other weapons will stop them? Because that's how the government rolls, ask all the corpsified Iraqis planted into the dry desert sand.
The answer is no, you will be slaughtered if you don't surrender. Your precious stockpile of "freedumb" defending weapons will have been a wasted investment that just enriched supporters of the government that you believe is "out to get you".
The time for "Turner Diaries" and "Red Dawn" fantasies is over and long past overdue to end.
Wake up! Just because it will never be the 1950's (or the 1850's for that matter) doesn't mean the end of this country. Your rationale for owning military grade killing machines is wrong and wrong-headed and it's time for you to come to that realization.
Sorry 'bout your butthurt.
Perfectly said, ForePlinger.
@Fore,
Ha!
"Whatcha gonna do, when that Predator Drone gonna be coming after you?"
Sad, but true.
ForePlinger So true!! However, until the military generals give those orders..........main street got to do what it has to do to survive evil and wicked citizens!! I would rather die fighting than become target practice for murders who at the end.........commit suicide!! It is written "I would rather you be hot or cold........however, if you are lukewarm; I will vomit you out of my mouth." Finally, every time President Barack Hussein Obama opens his mouth.........lies fly out!! Just my thoughts!!
you are fools.The govt won't come after anyone like that.You think troops from ohio would go to say georgia and bomb american citizens? Kudos for rattling off all those seemingly exacting military terms