Think of how many gamers there are, and then think about how many of them go on a rampage.

No time for fingerpointing here. The loss of our children is a loss for each and every single American. Period.

I weep for these children, now gone....I weep for their parents, their lives forever changed in ways you and I will never begin to understand....I weep for brothers and sisters who will bear the mark of this pain for their lifetimes. All of America, we hang our heads...we stand quietly.....we weep.

Take a moment a pray for the families.

Wow... really? AGAIN... they have asked for no politics YET that is all that is being spewed. No wonder things are jacked up nowadays. STOP the nonsense.

Suggesting this is a republican versus democrat thing is ridiculous. This is a human condition thing. What have you done about this? Vote? Apparently that did not work. If you want the republicans to do something about it, perhaps they should ban democrats from having guns since both the Aurora, Colorado shooter and this shooter were democrats? Of course that is ridiculous. So is making this a republican vs. democrat debate.

Be active.... contact your representatives in the house and senate for both parties.... contact your govenor's office. Make sure they know your priorities. Making emotional posts about political parties anonymously on web sites does very little except drive the gap between political parties wider.

I'm sure the president was partially talking about gun control...but I think he's also talking about the bigger picture.

How is it possible that people just "snap" and do something like this?

How is it possible that NO ONE in this persons life knew they were mentally unstable, even if they didnt know they were capable of this?

Why is it that when these tragedies happen we just chalk them up to "well you cant stop a crazy person with a gun, and hell no you arent taking our guns, just live with it - this is the new normal"...

sorry, I dont want to take away everyones guns...but I also dont want to accept this is the "new normal" just because YOU think there's nothing we can do.

if we can spend billions and billions and approaching trillions chasing down boogeymen in the middle east, I think it's time we start chasing down american terrorists who are hellbent on doing evil like this.

Whether you are Republican, Democrat, Independent pro gun control or against it; people all over the country are sharing anger, sadness and pure shock at the tragedy that has occurred.

This is a very real and terrible situation that has occurred. What has been happening in the last few years in this country is a huge problem.

I can not begin to imagine what it will be like for a father, mother, brother or sister to instead of celebrating the holiday season as a family will be comforting each other and leaving presents for a lost child to be left unopened. These are kids who will never see another holiday season again. Makes me sick knowing what has happened today

GET RID OF THE GUNS. PERIOD.

There's plenty of proof that if you have better mental and social programs/health programs along with tough gun laws that you don't need to get rid of guns. Ask Canada, Northern Europe, etc.

How is it possible that people just "snap" and do something like this?

How is it possible that NO ONE in this persons life knew they were mentally unstable, even if they didnt know they were capable of this?

Jessica...personally to me, I believe it's because people have become unaware to whats going on around them because they are too busy with themselves, their social networking, head in their device instead of paying attention to the ones around them. I definitely think from growing up in the late 80s, early 90s as a teen that we definitely we much more aware of everything and friends because we interacted in front of them...now everything is so cold and distance due to devices.

When the NFL player killed himself the other week, his QB said something that I think hits the nail on the head..and how we seem to be missing clues and signs something is wrong with someone close to us...

He said

"When you ask someone how they are doing, do you really mean it? When you answer someone back how you are doing, are you really telling the truth?" he said.

"We live in a society of social networks, with Twitter pages and Facebook, and that's fine, but we have contact with our work associates, our family, our friends, and it seems like half the time we are more preoccupied with our phone and other things going on instead of the actual relationships that we have right in front of us.

Hey Talk To The Hand:

I live in CT not too far from the scene of this tragedy. My kids go to public school in an adjacent town. Don't be so naive to think that politics is divorced from this. EVER! Make no mistake, these types of incidents are brought to us in part courtesy of the NRA and the gun lobby that have used the political process to create and protect a gun culture. In doing so, they have achieved their goals of dulling America's sensibilities to these horrific crimes and almost expect us to accept them as just the unfortunate byproduct of Constitutional guarantees and protections. They have also succeeded in silencing reasonable dialog about gun control. It is no longer part of the national political discourse, at either the presidential or congressional level. It's no wonder that, according to FBI statistics, during that same time incidents of mass murders (defined as gun violence resulting in more than 3 deceased per incident) has increased exponentially.

Yes, this is a sad and tragic day for us Nutmeggers (CT citizens) and all Americans. But it will be replicated and worsen unless we elevate reasonable gun control legislation to the national level and beat back the NRA and their lummoxes (famous for inanely blaming people rather than gun access).

BTW gun freaks, no one is talking about taking your guns. Get fu**in' real! I'm a student of history, a lawyer and a Constitutional hawk. You cannot cobble enough brain cells together to frame an argument insisting that the Framers intended gun ownership and maintainance of a well-armed militia to supercede this type of assault on American life and society. Enough is enough, damn it!

James, haven't you heard?

No one cares about unstable people any longer. Their programs are cut. We can't afford them since the wealthy want their tax cuts. And of course the wars no one thought to pay for.

Boris numbers:

Was there an assault weapon? No, there were two handguns. Are you that stupid to suggest that the type of weapon matters? A person will kill with any kind of gun. Because it looks scary, you should ban it?

The weapons of choice in this instance were a Glock and a Sig Sauer semi-automatic; WMD's in my book.

There's a problem with that Pat- THUGS AND GANGSTERS WILL NOT GIVE THEIR GUNS INTO THE AUTHORITIES. Fully-automatic weapons are illegal in America, yet gangsters carry around Uzis and other sub machine guns.

You might not have noticed it, but none of the 8 mass killings that happened this year were carried out by professional Thugs or Gangsters. Professional thugs and gangsters do not go against rampages against private citizens for no reason whatsoever.

Basically, your argument is "we can't make sure that NO ONE dies of gun violence, so let's not do anything about it."

Let me ask you a pretty simple question...would you prefer a 0.1% chance of getting shot by a random killer or would you prefer a 10% chance?

It's way past time for throwing blame, it's time to address the issue, gun control, and mental health issues. Some people like to talk about how "exceptional" we Americans are, well, it's time to grow up, and do the right thing. This cannot go on, those were kindergarteners who were slaughtered today. If they had guns they wouldn't know how to use them. Stop pretending this is not a gun problem, it is and the time to do something sane is now. Wrecked families, children scared to death, no more, God, please, no more. It's time to act. We are not exceptional if we cannot protect the children anymore.

guy-2789881

I have to wonder if this guy was a gamer. Some people become immune to the violence these violent games portray. Just wondering. My heart is broken for these families. I cant imagine being in their shoes right now. God help them please.

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Here we go again with the assanine assumption that violent games create murderers. I have been a gamer all my life. I am 43 now and I still play with violent games like all the war simulators out there. I have never once in my life been violent. I have never been in a fist fight. You just seem to want to blame violence of any kind on a video game.

Was there an assault weapon? No, there were two handguns. Are you that stupid to suggest that the type of weapon matters? A person will kill with any kind of gun.

You are making an excellent argument in favor of banning any kind of gun.

Because it looks scary, you should ban it?

Pretty much. If people die from it, shouldn't it BE scary?

Such a tragic event. Unfortunately it always leads to people ignoring the problem and blaming unrelated things, like video games, or inattentive parents. Get real. The problem here is obvious. Guns. They are designed to kill. Some say guns don't kill, but people do. That's just a stupid thing to say. Guns are the means that people use to kill other people. They should be outlawed. The 2nd Amendment is the worst thing to ever happen to this country. Some nut jobs like Boris suggest that teachers carry firearms! No! Just get rid of these killing devices. I don't care if you like to hunt. Use a crossbow. Worried about self defense? Learn karate. You're afraid someone might break into your house? Get an alarm system. Get a dog. We don't need guns. They are killing devices and nothing more. If your solution is that everyone carry guns, you are insane. People who say they need guns are just too lazy to learn how to protect themselves.

I have to wonder if this guy was a gamer. Some people become immune to the violence these violent games portray.

We do not know if he was a gamer, but we are certain that he was a gunman, and we know he was immune to the violence of using guns.

TODAY: Update Our Hearts

President Barack Hussein Obama

Heart Still Beating Ottmar Liebert

US: "Our Hearts are broken today", but still beating, with sympathy and love for all the victims.

We live in a world of War Craft, but the right of each individual to defend themselves from evil, by what ever means chosen, should not be compromised.

Helter Skelter is the law of chaos, but we must never allow ourselves to be ruled by such animal instincts.

Peace be with you All >>>

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Dutchess1,

You have no idea what you're talking about.

1. Do you know anything about so-called "assault weapons?" Just because they look a little different (perhaps menacing) than what you might picture as a "hunting rifle" they operate basically the same. They are NOT the same as the military or police use in that they are "semi-automatic," not fully automatic. There are numerous semi-automatic hunting rifles in much larger calibers, than say an AR-15, that are much more powerful.

2. Although the report thus far is that the shooter had two 9mm hand guns. It's not clear what weapons were used in this case. It was also reported that he perhaps had more weapons in his car.

3. Banning guns of any kind only keeps them out of the hands of normal, law-abiding citizens reducing them to little more than prey, while the bad guys will still find ways to acquire them. For example, most guns are banned in Mexico entirely, but we've seen more gun violence there than anywhere on Earth! Indeed, most laws only burden the law-abiding, while the bad guys ignore them entirely.

You're obviously entitled to your opinions, but I just think that you and Pat need to have some rational basis for them. You libs will always find ways to blame conservatives for anything and everything, but perhaps you should just check out the violence from the left that went unreported by your lib press in Michigan just this week--absolute mob violence. We really don't see much of this from the right.

Pat, Beverly,

27 people are dead and 20 of them are very young children. I have a pit in my stomach and it sure as hell has nothing to do with your holier than thou politics or gun control. It has to do with my wondering how as a society we are continuing to produce people that have a heart so cold as to carry this out. With a gun, without a gun WHO FRICKEN CARES??? This is NOT about guns or politics...........!! We as a society have a problem and it isn't guns.

My daughter called me on her way home from her teaching job today. She asked me: "What kind of a human can look at a classroom of grade K students and execute each and everyone of them?" I was an elementary teacher for grade 2 and at that time there was no process to lock a school down. Now as a mother of a teacher, a grandmother to four beautiful little ones ages 8 to 22 months, I can not imagine why every school in America is not required to lock every single door to each classroom and each door in and out of every single school in this country.

I can not comprehend that the NRA can still give millions to congressional and senatorial elected officials to keep gun laws from being enacted. This shooter shot more than 100 times. He had more guns with him and in his vehicle. No one is safe as long as the NRA runs congress and the Senate. Will it take a gunman getting into congress and slaying 435 of them BEFORE the high powered rifles and Glocks are banne?. I have heard it all: Guns do not kill. People kill. People would not be able to kill LIKE THEY DO IN AMERICA without the amazing amounts of LEGAL weapons an individual is allowed to buy---thanks to consistent dollars going into elected officials pockets from the NRA.

God did not want this to happen nor the shootings all over the United States in just the last 10 years. Evil begets evil. The NRA is the right place to start. I imagine a prison with just bars in Times Square wherein the NRA/people that take money from the NRA/elected officials who make sure no gun laws are enacted into law....in this prison with no walls these people would wear clothing that can not be taken off, given 8 ounce of WATER PER WEEK, BREAD CRUMBS THREE TIMES A WEEK AND CARDBOARD BOXES TO USE TO COVER THEMSELVES FROM THE ELEMENTS.

Again. How can any individual look into the innocence of a five year old and execute that child? I pray for the parents/the grandparents/siblings/aunts and uncles and anyone else mourning this horrific loss on this 14th day of December of 2012. I pray that President Obama will be kept safe so that when congress is finished playing budget games with all of us being used as pawns, that the president can come on television every single night until the congress and the NRA get it. Babies executed in America in a classroom where they are supposed to be safe WILL NOT HAPPEN BECAUSE WE WILL PUT THE NRA OUT OF BUSINESS. God protect the hearts of their parents as he hold these victims in his loving arms.

I'm a moderate republican and have said we need to address the 2nd amendment and ratify it to reflect modern times. There is NO reason for a civilian to need automatic or semi-automatic weapons EVER.

We are already in violation of the 2nd Amendment. Take a look at what the 2nd Amendment says:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The underlining is mine. No one can seriously say at this point, that our current regulations provide for our security. In this year alone, Americans have been killed by random gunmen at the following places:

1. watching a movie (Aurora.)
2. place of worship (The Sikh shootings in Minnesota.)
3. In school (today.)
4. At the mall (in Portland, Oregon.)

This doesn't even count the smaller, non-reported killings of about 30 Americans every day. Are we secure? Do you feel secure? Is this the way we want to live?

Pat in Boston. Banning guns is not the answer. The GOP and NRA are not at fault. If you don't want guns in the hands of citizens, I suggest you move to Brazil or Mexico. There you will only have to worry about guns in the hands of criminals, cartel, and corrupt police hands since law abiding citizens can't have guns. Besides, their gun related homicides are only more than twice that of the US with only a tenth of the number of gun we have. But who's counting?

When will Liberals finally be thankful they live in the safest, most prosperous country in the world? Psychos hell bent on killing people can be found anywhere in the world and tragedies are part of life. Today in China some 36 year old man knifed 22 children at a school.

This isn't about republicans you moron. It's about lousy parents that ignore their kids form birth to chase their own careers and dreams rather than put time into their own kids. Out of need for attention, they do heinous things like this. Maybe would should arm the teachers to at least provide some defense. Or you can keep trying to rely on government to fix it.

You want to offer the same solutions as the past (lets make parents better parents!), expect the same results. Arming teachings is an awful idea, for the record, truly awful (you want MORE guns around your kids?). If you want to change things, you need a systematic revision of gun laws. If you want to say how sorry you are for people but don't want to take any real action to change things, then you are part of the problem.

When will Liberals finally be thankful they live in the safest, most prosperous country in the world?

Ask that to the unfortunate parents in Connecticut. Do you think THEY are content with the status quo??

Always the same stupid rationales - one side or the other. Yeah it's emotional...the guy could've used a buzz saw...but he didn't. He used a precision tool to maximum effect. Isn't that how shooters of all stripes think about personal power?

We truly need to disarm ourselves. At all levels...not just the hardware but the attitudes that call for it.

We could start by reducing the sheer numbers of weapons out there...the cops having

to downgrade too.

Make it a 10 year "let's go to moon" level effort...guard the rights, but de-escalate this garbage that's repeatedly slaughtering children and adults alike.

Vinnie, you are mad at our president because he was CRYING? WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU!!!!! All Americans should be crying over this tragedy! YOU are not an American!

Jeez people, for once can we bury the dead before you all start tearing each other apart. At some time or another we have to grow up and stop fighting over everything. Before we start pointing fingers at each other we need to look deep into ourselves to see if what we put out into the world is helping or hurting the common good.

Pat in Boston said,

"You republicans. Yes, YOU! You call yourselves citizens?

You complain to high heaven about Susan Rice and talking points regarding an embassy killing.

What you YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS!"

I tell you what I'm going to do... I'm going to pray for your sorry a-- and all the familes affected!!

How &%$#ing dare you say this is the work of republicans!!

Typical liberal...

This made me absolutely ill . I grew up as a kid during the Cuban missle crisis . Having to get underneath

a desk during air raid drills. There is no nuclear attack that could ever be as scary as the way this country and the world is now. I don't ever remember a black mass murderer in my whole life. Thugs

and ganstas mostly kill for drugs and turf. They don't walk into classrooms and kill innocent children.

We have a gun problem created by bigotry and indifference.

This guy did not walk into a classroom with a single shot musket.

As far as fully automatic weapons doe an AK47 qualify as fully automatic ?

They sold one on the numerous gun shows that air on TV.

Maybe the answer is to provide everyone with weopons so they can protect themselves agaist the so called legal gun owners ?

Oh wait ! that would be called Anarchy.

I have no problem with gun ownership I do have a problem with irresponsible gun ownership.

I hope this tragedy wakes some people up in this country.

Way to many seem to be sleepwalking through life.

The reason I say From the former USA is the country was much different then.

mostly kil

InAgreemnt:that is the most assanine statement I have EVER heard! The issue is dead children and people like you who want to point a finger rather than being part of the solution. Was this guy a member of the NRA? How many NRA members have actually been involved in this type of masacre? Your generalization about the NRA & Republicans is what is wrong with this world. Always blaming, being mean and angry all the time.

Why in the world do you people thrive on all the finger pointing and hate? Is it a Liberal or psychological requirement to be crazy as a loon??? To policticize a tragedy? You are disgusting in your generalization and I'm sure your real life reflects that hate and anger.

I'm a member of the NRA & I have never killed anyone! Never became violent towards anyone because of my membership. My first reponse to this tragedy was heartbreak, for the children, the families, the injured and all involved. Please, please take another look at your attitude and blame and realize you are part of the problem! When your first response is to politicize and point fingers you are part of the problem!!!! Dear God please Heal this country!!!!!! (Even if we don't deserve it!!!!!) InAgreement I really hope you and others like you rethink your way of hating and criticizing others. We all need to live on this planet. Don't make it so hard!!!

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This is very much a people problem. Until we learn to respect each other as human beings, these sort of tragedies will continue. That's all I have to say about this. I haven't felt this sick about a senseless violent act since 9/11.

Was this guy a member of the NRA? How many NRA members have actually been involved in this type of masacre? Your generalization about the NRA & Republicans is what is wrong with this world.

How many need to be involved before you see a problem?

Always blaming, being mean and angry all the time.

Do you seriously expect us to think that things like today are OK?

Why in the world do you people thrive on all the finger pointing and hate? Is it a Liberal or psychological requirement to be crazy as a loon??? To policticize a tragedy? You are disgusting in your generalization and I'm sure your real life reflects that hate and anger.

Because we don't like the idea of our neighbors, our children, our friends getting killed? Because we get upset when kids get shot?

This really needs to be explained to you?

Jeez people, for once can we bury the dead before you all start tearing each other apart. At some time or another we have to grow up and stop fighting over everything. Before we start pointing fingers at each other we need to look deep into ourselves to see if what we put out into the world is helping or hurting the common good.

Do you realize that this is the 7th such mass shooting this year? If we shouldn't talk about the problems that gun cause in our culture today, then when are we supposed to talk about it?

ZMAN - you are total FILTH. No one cares what you think because you have shown that actual THINKING is beyond your abilities. The fact that you - in your emotional vacuity - need to put our President down shows what a total lowlife you are!

Mass shootings have been going on for a long time...not just in the USA.

A lot of you disgust me. Do you think these kids were "libs" or "right wingnuts"? They were children murdered. Bickering about politics before the blood has dried.....sick.

Pat as much as i'd liketa agree with you about the NRA, it's Not only Republicans, but also Democrats who are Afraid of the NRA. Americans of all stripes can now carry a Gun into a Church,Bar,National Park,Train,Crowd, etc,etc,etc. This aspect did'nt Only come from Republican Votes.

However, Well Armed Militias are No longer needed in our Society,so that part of the 2nd amendment is a Mute point in Todays World. What does need to be done & could get done pretty quickly is an Assault Weapons Ban, along with the Magaizne clips. These Weapons are'nt needed in Everyday Life & the Penalty for Selling,Owning,Possessing & or Useing them should be comparable to State & Federal Drug Sentencing guidlines or Worse!

Rifles for Hunting & Pistols(6-shooters) are All that Hunters & Residents need to Protect them.

Roundup the Rest & Put irresponsible Gun Shops "Out of Business"!

All that being said, I personally think it was a Huge Mistake for Our President to come into the Breifing Room(Political Reporters) & Say Anything concerning this TRAGEDY! Moments like these are Reserved for Addressing the Nation,which I hope he will later tonight.

Make No Mistake America, This Was a NATIONAL TRAGEDY!

You Betcha!

Occupy SoggyBottom

shut up already about the gun... Are you people really that ignorant? The freaking gun didnt kill anyone it was the nut that pulled the trigger. If you want to argue honestly if the adults had been armed e wouldn't have killed 20 kids he would have been shot after the first round was fired or before when in the office. I swear some of you people are so ignorant about what is going on your pathetic... You remove God out of the schools out of the government out of the courthouse out of thepublic squares no prayer allowed anywhere you took God out of our history of our Nation and now you wonder why people are running around with no morals killing people? LOOK IN THE MIRROR!!! When we were a Nation of praying God fearing individuals we didnt have this kind of junk and now you wonder what is going on, but as soon as this happens you same people start saying " say a prayer" although you dont believe in God any other time. You have removed the umbrella of protection that God had on this nation when you kicked Him out of our country so dont wonder why this is happening as a norm now, Our Nation has brought it upon itself and until we all repent and drop to our knees and ask for forgiveness as a nation it will only get worse. This is a very sad and tragic day but yet our government pays for over 4000 abortions daily killing innocent babies and nobody cries out for them. yet you now call for a prayer. You cant have it both ways... You either follow God or you taste His wrath He is a God that will not be mocked

This would not have happened if the shooter believed in heaven and hell.

Right, brother! No Christian has ever killed anyone. The Crusades, mass killings of all of human history never happened, it's just a vast left-wing conspiracy.

(For the sarcasm-impaired: take another look.)

@Pat and Beverly,

You two are sick people. Now is not the time to play political games. No respect whatsoever for people like you.

Wane La Pierre

N R A

"leader"

Coward

Liar

Instigator

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This _____________— "leader" only gins up the N R A members by telling them the PRESIDENT is their #1 threat.

I am so damn DISGUSYTED with his mouthpiece and agenda.

He should attend EVERY FUNERAL.

And the N R A should re-think why they have a"leader" who says & does NOTHING constructive.

Pat BOSTON MA:

Why is it the responsibility of the GOP for these slaughters--or pedophiles that murder children, or commit heinous crimes?---

Both parties have NOTHING to do with the individual/individuals who are doing these kinds of massacres. it is the person themselves, and only they who's fault it is. There should be more Mental Health Counseling, but one cannot "drag a horse to water", just lead it--it is up to the "horse" to take the advice.

Parents are responsible, as well---they know when their kid is crazy, doing drugs, alcohol, carrying weapons around; or maybe they choose to ignore the "signs" of a crazy kid, or young Adult.

Illegal Drugs are at the root of much of the violence, along with the Internet, violent videos, violent movies. Why do some children not ever commit a crime while watching these types of Media? Because, the parents have laid down a strong role model for their child, and care about them. A good parent, is a good parent. Many of these so called murderers have no parents who care about them, coming from violent homes, sexual abuse, verbal abuse, and telling their child they are worth nothing.

To blame the GOP, is stupid--off the wall.

Crimes are only committed by people. Not Political Parties.

I have got to think that big bird is involved in this some way.

BigRedmch - how funny you skip over the little righties who have made this a "liberal" or "Obama" problem. Can you say HYPOCRITE???????

Sanity,

Sorry about that! I just notice the first couple of comments, Pat being the lead. This shouldn't be political.

How's that?

I can guess the right's talking points about this already. They know pressure will be put on the NRA now and they're bringing out their sanctimonious side and saying politics shouldn't be brought into it. Agreed, for now. Give the families time, then let's bring into focus all the Congress people accepting money from the NRA.

Congratulations is in order to the NRA and republican gun nuts everywhere, don't forget to pay your dues and recite the 2nd amendment by heart. You should be so proud, the toll today was third in mass slayings, second if only guns are considered. Lets all go out and buy at least 5 more guns and a thousand rounds of ammunition so we can shoot at each other. Also we need a book on how to build bombs so we can become a country to rival those in the middle east. More children's deaths are necessary so we can all own a gun. I am so sick of gun nuts, and people that attack Pat for being a human. If this tragedy does not bother you, you must be republican. You cannot defend the facts. In Michigan last night a republican majority voted it ok to carry your gun to school, church, almost anywhere. Not one democrat voted for more death by fire arm. Not one. It is all on the republicans. YOU STINK.

My god. You don't have to be retarded to be a liberal, but it sure helps.

Well, the mindless fu**ing robot regulars on this site (we all know who they are) take a tragic massacre and turn it into a political attack on Republicans (as they do with any story). I guess I usually don't think about how many low lifes there are among us, and how ugly and vicious they can get in defense of their political fanaticism. Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic!

Our Father in heaven,

hallowed be your name,

your kingdom come,

your will be done,

on earth as in heaven.

Give us today our daily bread.

Forgive us our sins

as we forgive those who sin against us.

Save us from the time of trial

and deliver us from evil.

For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours now and forever.

Amen.

Korn

please please please

STOP POSTING

Simple solution......Ban Gun-Free-Zones.

How many 'mass shootings' (terrorist attacks) have take place in the US in gun free zones?

Nearly ALL of them. Cowards prefer defensless targets.

RI Mom

Korn

please please please

STOP POSTING

If libs would stop using tragedies as their political play ground, I would just pass along my condolences and be on my way.

You libs are pathetic to start the blame game hours after this massacre. Pat, you should be ashamed of yourself. Your true colors are showing time and time again. CT is a blue state so what do you expect! And we love your messiahs croc tears....FOOL!!

I don't agree with President Obama's policies, but I thought he gave a very good speech.

You have removed the umbrella of protection that God had on this nation when you kicked Him out of our country so dont wonder why this is happening as a norm now....You either follow God or you taste His wrath He is a God that will not be mocked

Seriously, if God is the kind of guy that kills 18 innocent children because it is no longer legally allowable to have organized prayer in public schools, then he can @!$%# himself.

Well, I know Obama has done anything to help the situation, buy I sure did something! I jumped up and down on my left foot! I'm sure that helped. The heroes of the left have always done something to prevent this sort of situation. Mao, Stalin, Castro, Chavez, etc., they know how to prevent this stuff from happening. Just point a gun at all the law abiding citizens and tell them to do what they are told. If anyone disagrees, just kill them. That way there will be no one who will perpetrate such a tragedy as this. Seems to work every time. Well, except when enough people are equally poor and destitute and rise up. But, that usually takes a couple of generations, so the current dictators are safe.

Looked at Obama today. Looks like he has taken a page from the Clinton book and shed his tear for effect. Too bad that while he's shedding a tear for these kids he's doing everything in his power to make sure that no other children are as well off as these kids were.

Korn: Forget it. It would be wrong what I have to say of your post

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This isn't about republicans you moron. It's about lousy parents that ignore their kids form birth to chase their own careers and dreams rather than put time into their own kids. Out of need for attention, they do heinous things like this. Maybe would should arm the teachers to at least provide some defense. Or you can keep trying to rely on government to fix it.

warthog213-984171:::: It would seem that Boris is a hot head calling someone a moron for getting emotional over something as sick as this. But I may have a great solution to the problem which may be quickly done so never this never happens again.... Its not anyones fault exept the guy who did this what ever his reasons.... These are sick people who need to be busted in the act of attempting to carry a weapon into a school....

vfeinstein

Pat Boston MA.

One needn't know the emotion you possessed while typing your post. You are right to be outraged - We should ALL be outraged. And, it's beyond high time that Congress start getting serious about gun control and mental illness. I wonder how many more children must needlessly die before Congress gets its ass in gear ...

warthog213-984171:::: Its true that Pat Boston MA was just an emotional statement they directed at republican.... Well I don't care for republicans at all but I know that this was not any republicans fault....

But I do have an idea to keep this from ever happening again as I stated above.... Place ROTC students at the doors every school day to check parents and anyone who enters a school for any weapons or devices.... Also put in bullet proof glass into all ground level doors and windows.... And a video system with a big screen tv for a monitor(one watching only the ROTC students at the main entance to a school) in the main office where it can be watched by everyone in the main office area....

Give the ROTC students speacial credits for their services and for insuring our children are safe.... And use senior ROTC students who have drivers licenses and a car to travel from school to school.... This still isn't a cheap idea but it would make someone think twice about doing anything stupid and would show the public an unarmed military presence at our schools.... They do this at the main govenment building across the United States and our children are our future and are well worth the trouble....

I feel so bad about today's tragedy I'm lost for words !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This was one of the fakiest "look at me, I had a tear in my eye" speeches I have ever seen. While he is wiping away pretend tears, our country is still bombing the hell out of other countries, killing their children.

People need to get a grip, this screams gun control. And, the government never wanting to let a good tragedy go to waste, will jump on board and start talking about how they need to keep guns away from people for our own safety. Trust me, if we don't have guns, our government will be twice as tyrannical as they are now and that says a lot.

Takechargeofyourhealth - you are a pathetic excuse for a human being. You're disgusting and reprehensible.

This was one of the fakiest "look at me, I had a tear in my eye" speeches I have ever seen. While he is wiping away pretend tears, our country is still bombing the hell out of other countries, killing their children

Takecharge,

Does it make you wish you could change your vote to Romney?

Unoi, you SOB's couldn't wait for Ambassador Stevens body was cold before you started your bull@!$%# blaming of our president. Purely for political reasons. Now you want to lecture me about making this tragedy political, well it is political and always has been. Republicans fight against any and all regulations, even back ground checks which may or may not stop these things from happening. When Democrats offer even a suggestion they are voted out of office by you gun nut bastards. One thing for sure is more guns is not the answer, more guns lead to more death and you, your NRA, and republicans can be blamed for these tragedies as they occur. Gun proponents period are responsible for this.

We have lost twenty children and six teachers and the number of people pointing fingers here and there is pathetic. And to those of you complaining that the President was emotional would complain if he wasn't. It's easy to hide behind user names. It's easy to post hateful, hurtful, critical things when you don't have your face and name out there for everyone to see. Don't you think that this just might be the time to put negative things aside and bind together in prayer and well wishes for the families that are dealing with so much more than most of us have had to deal with today. Stop and think about those families that bundled up their children this morning and gave them a hug and kiss as they headed out the door to catch their school bus. They didn't have any idea that as they watched those children climb aboard the bus to head to school it would be the last time they would see them alive, the last conversation, the last hug and kiss. There are probably presents under the tree with their names on it, special gifts that their parents had shopped for in preparation for the upcoming holidays...knowing the joy a parent feels when a child opens a present and is so excited about the gift they have received. And, give the President a break, he is a father, he is a human - if you didn't find a lump in your throat, a knot in your stomach, an ache in your heart when you heard this terrible news then maybe someone ought to check and see if you really have a pulse. So, let's move this conversation back to well wishes, back to prayers and thoughts on behalf of parents who probably can't find words to express their pain at this time. Let's lift them up - and stop tearing each other down. I am going to send a card to the town of Newton, CT - I don't have a specific address - I am just sending it to the post office. I want them to know that there is someone that is thinking of them - another American, another parent, another human being. How about we flood that town with cards - what if we overwhelmed that small town with cards from all over the nation....heck, all over the world. I think that would be much better than finding ways to crab at someone or complain about something. Tuck your children in - tell them you love them - kiss them goodnight.

Look at all of you. Fighting over your various political stances, using this tragedy as your soap box. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Perhaps if you cared about anything other than politics, you'd have noticed that is happening everywhere-- 22 kids were just attacked in China by a knife-wielding wacko. Let's all be grown ups and recognize that there is a societal problem that needs to be addressed.

...make that Newtown, CT

"I have yet to see a Republican advocate for a commonsense solution to any problem:"

Hey -- hold on. Republicans have 3 answers to every problem. You either give it a tax break, deregulate it or drop a bomb on it.

Byron Raum

The Second Amendment, because of the commas, can't even be precisely interpreted. So why the hell are we letting an illegible sentence on a 250+ year-old document dictate that our children be under constant threat from modern weaponry?!! It's absolute stupidity!!

First, as a human being I feel the tragedy. I literally wept over this story and losses suffered by so many. Then I come here and read stupid comments and screen names (I'm talking to you, "LiberalsAreTheWorst") politicizing this story. Then the attempt to link blame for this event on playing violent video games.

Being a "gamer" (one who plays a lot of video games, including violent ones) has absolutely nothing to do with this or events like this. One could make the same argument for banning the news, too violent. Ban NASCAR, too dangerous or a waste of fuel. etc etc. It's all bad pseudo-logic. The percentage per capita of people who will commit mass murders among active video gamers would be about the same as if you were to try and link it to people who read the news more than three times a day, or people who have played sports, or people who enjoy car races, or professional food preparers for crying out loud. ("Butchers!")

You know what group actually DOES have a higher per capita percentage of being violent or murderous in public life in our society? Former military personnel. This is statistically true, but you don't hear too many cries of outrage to "ban" the military or put into place better programs to help vets adjust to a return to civillian life after being taught how to be as deadly as possible. Don't misunderstand me here, this is to illustrate a point only. I am not expressing a pro- or con- view on the military in general as a whole, only pointing out that vets returning from active duty often have difficulty re-adjusting to civillian life, and we as a society have yet to eliminate this problem. I only point out that this group had a higher percentage of violence than does "gamers", so please stop trying to link violent crime or gun violence with playing violent video games.

If you're prone to violence, your violence will come out. Whether you were an avid video gamer, NASCAR fan, the leftist of liberals or the staunchest of conservatives, ex-military or not, has nothing to do with it.

About GUN CONTROL. No one understands this better than responsible, law abiding adults who own firearms. The vast majority of existing gun control laws came shortly after tradegies such as this. They are reactionary and ultimately serve to punish and restrict the law abiding more so than any criminal. Certainly there is great responsibility that goes with owning and potentially using a firearm; the training must be thorough and 100% successful - there is no room for error. You hold yourself to a higher standard - the level of personal responsibility when you carry a firearm means you can not lose your temper, no matter how much the situation may seem to call for it. You can make NO assumptions. This responsibility is held by our men and women in law enforcement and our military, as well as any private citizens who understand and exercise their Constitutional right to bear this responsibility by bearing firearms.

The laws on the books punish the wrong group already, the aforementioned law abiding private citizens. If anything, there should be a national training course with high standards, frequent lisence renewal and retesting for gun ownership. Not a loose system of state-to-state, county to county and even city to city differing laws, coupled with national lobbying by the NRA and anti-gun groups making it ever more complicated at the federal level. It's a mess. But guess what? If a sociopath sets his or her mind on mass murder, they will find a way. I read on this forum yesterday that "Guns don't make people violent, but they sure make violent people more effective". I hate to agree with that, but that point is undeniable. So what's the trick to keep firearms out of the hands of people who might act out violently? More training, more testing and re-texting, lisencing and review of the time a person has owned firearms responsibly commiting no violent crimes.

There's a lot to consider, but it must be done with a calm measured mind, not a reactionary call to ban guns or violent video games or whatever. NO "all or nothing" approach has EVER worked in all of recorded human history. Education and a higher standard is the key to approaching this. IMO.

End rant. Thanks for reading.

Ever heard the saying "guns don't kill people- people kill people?" Well it's true. In case you haven't heard, this has been happening to the youngest of school children far more frequently in China. You know what those murderers used? Axes and knives. Your argument for gun control is illogical as it's already been proven a MILLION times over that if someone wants to kill, they are going to do it- WITH OR WITHOUT GUNS!

Steve D-514317:

You've been into something today--not sure what--but your post sure proves it.

Idiot.

You sir are a stooge of the first order. Take your crayons, National Rifleman magzines and go make some pretty pictures with the other loonies in the " GUBMINTS GOING TO GET MY GUNS" CLUB.

Jean321- SteveD never has any comment to make that isn't anti liberals or President Obama. He is a truly pathetic person.

jenlee - it has NOT happened frequently in China - it has happened once. And, it is always easier to kill a large number of people with a gun as opposed to anything else - except a bomb. Get a clue!

Well, the mindless fu**ing robot regulars on this site (we all know who they are)...

Yeah, spider. We know who you are. Pathetic.

Vin1112

Oh, brother. Look at the crybaby. Thank God they weren't Mexican illegals. He'd be inconsolable.

Vin

Okay ..... we get it. You don't like the President, but the dumb crack about the illegals is beyond stupid. The crying comes from compassion and sympathy. Is that something you understand, even just a little bit?

You only make yourself and the rest of the people who voice the same opinions look small and mean and not very bright.

bubblegum

Seeking Sanity-

You might want to educate yourself before making such ignorant comments. There have been so many attacks on school children in China that Wikipedia now dedicates a page highlighting these frequent occurences- 6 attacks between 2010 and 2011 alone, using knives, cleavers and even a hammer. There was another attack today in China where 22 school children were stabbed. So many attacks in China on children lately it's considered something of an anomaly. So look it up because your comments making you appear as if YOU are the one who needs to get a clue!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932011%29

Bottom line:

That Racist in the White House's crocidile tears didn't move me one bit... he's faild to do anything to ensure a safer America. He doens't care until it's a sound bite.

You want a safer America? Start by making people accountable for thier actions. No, I don't care if that killer was abused as a kid... I don't care if he came from a low income family, and NO, I don't care if mommy didn't love him. You do a crime, you do the time. I'd wager 80% of all crime in the Country are committed by people that failed to take personal responsibility for thier actions. They've decided thier lives were more important than those around them. Stop government hand outs, force people to work for their monthly check (sweep streets, I don't care).

This guy took the cowards way out.

jenlee - you might want to educate yourself before posting anything. Your equating any of this to China shows how foolish you are as a person. What has happened in China STILL does not equate with the gun violence here. Now either try to be relevant or STFU! You are a totaly foolish idiot!

SeekingSanity-

My college education taught me to back my statements with facts supporting them. Where is your supporting evidence that this has only happened once in China? Backing up what I say IS what makes my comment relevant. I also learned that those who call names resort to doing so simply because it's all they (YOU) have!

Sadden

How stupid and hateful to use this opportunity to call the President a racist. What a fool you are to suggest that his tears are "crocodile tears." You do not know what is in his heart (and if you did you would probably not be a far right wing bonehead.

Why do so many of you who disparage other Americans routinely choose to have patriotic-sounding screen names? You make a ridiculous claim about responsibility that has nothing to do with this story and imply that you have some master plan to solve the problems of society based on some manufactured ideas about the killer.

News flash, Sad Sack. You have no idea what you are talking about. None. You use any story as an excuse for a reactionary conservative rant and you only manage to out yourself as a lunatic.

Vin112

In all cases the perpetrator was mentally ill or mentally deficient. This one is now said to have had a developmental deficiency, just like the one in Chardon Ohio this year.

The increase in violence in schools, and busineses have occured after 1960, when we started making our schools and businesses "gun free" zones.

Last week in China, a young man when into an Chinese elementary school with a knive and slashed 22 students, some of which also died. The only differences between a gun and a knife is that the gun runs out of ammunition.

Gun Crimes in concealed carry states is 24% LOWER than those states that do not have concealed carry laws.

I have a pretty strong feeling that the gun control advocates won't let these facts get in the way

Jenlee - you error. You are supposed to bow to the superior thinking of the far left who don't need anything more factual than enlessly repeated assertions. No matter how much you put hard facts before their eyes they will not change their position. This is what the Ex-KGB agents have said about the false dogmas they salted our Intellectual elites with during the 1960's.

DB Akron-

You make a good point when you state that "the only differences between a gun and a knife is that the gun runs out of ammunition." Some people don't seem to notice the relevance when we comment on the attacks in China. However, it's entirely relevant to the simple point we try to make- there are a million ways to kill someone. China is a perfect example- it doesn't allow citizens to own guns, yet they have had more deadly attacks on school children than we have. A logical person would easily see the irrationality of gun control. But unfortunately, not all of us think logically!

F the gun lovers. They are the problem not the solution. They are responsible for relaxing gun laws across the country and want it to even go further by voting for people in their states and nationally who bow down to the despicable NRA. For those who say guns don't kill people please tell that to the mothers and fathers of those children who were killed. It takes two to kill many people in a matter of a short time, a gun and a person to use it so no gun lovers you cannot have it that way. Guns do kill and the more that nothing is done to reduce gun violence the more killings we will see. Guns are a disease not a cure because gun lovers don't want more strict gun laws, which we need.

His mother had weapons that her son had access to.He was mentally ill.The responsibility lies with her but she is now deceased.This is not about guns.This is about mental illness and those who suffer from it having access to weapons instead of anti psychotic drugs.Thank Ronald Reagan and all those in government who refuse to address mental health issues and laws in this country just ot save a buck.

You people B!tching about politics.

You should shut up and get over your selfishness and start thinking about the people who have lost children.

And take time to contemplate that you need to sometimes put aside your personal agenda when something this awful happens.

You'll have time later for your selfish behavior, don't worry. For now, try to grow up a little bit.

Trilly-

I would love to hear you explain how your logic works in China where there are NO guns, yet far more frequent attacks on school children. In one attack, 28 children were stabbed. You seem to have the answers, so please don't ignore the above facts and school me on how that works! Additionally, if would be greatly appreciated if your comment provides supporting evidence for any comments made.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932011%29

What frustrates me so much is that studies show the exact opposite of what is stated by those who want gun control. Actual studies show they are wrong.

"No empirical study of the effectiveness of gun laws has shown any positive effect on crime. To the dismay of the prohibitionists, such studies have shown a negative effect. That is, in areas having greatest restrictions on private firearms ownership, crime rates are typically higher, because criminals are aware that their intended victims are less likely to have the means with which to defend themselves." -Infowars

http://www.infowars.com/celebrities-demand-outrageous-gun-laws-following-connecticut-shootin

"Rising Gun Ownership Has Helped Cut Murder Rates for Americans Over 25, New Study Says...
The 30-page study, Firearms and Crime, by Daniel D. Polsby (Professor of Law at Northwestern University and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute) concludes that murder rates for most of the population it has fallen significantly – nearly 19 percent for those 25 years old and older. It's only higher in the young population mostly due to increasing drug wars."

He states that a reason for this is because the number of people who have armed themselves for the right reasons (protection) vastly outweighs the number of people who intend to do others harm.

http://www.independent.org/issues/article.asp?id=482

You people that cry GET RID OF ALL GUNS are either crazy or uninformed.

I actually grew up in CT not far from this event and now reside in Boston.

I grew up around guns since the 4th grade. In the 18 and 1900's guns were all over America and Coast to Coast kids even used them daily, but they did not do sh*t like this.

Children (yes people under the age of 18 lets say) in many countries of the modern world are trained to use guns, both hand held and military style. Switzerland, Norway? and Russia come to mind just as a few countries that have mandatory service. Then they become 24 year old adults. See how often something like this happens in these places, and then you will realize that the US as a country is more third world in our abilities to handle responsibility than many other of our 1st world nation counterparts. All we do in the US is pass the blame and responsibility onto someone else and never blame ourselves.

Derek-381097,

I would suggest anyone that is trying to silence a mourning people who are expressing ideas on how best to prevent further massacres is the one with the personal agenda. He or she may not be all of these things, but most likely is a Republican, a member of the NRA and gun nut with serious paranoid issues concerning self-defense.

Take a long look in the mirror and honestly answer the following question. How close does the above description fit you?

What could cause a twenty year old to murder his own mother and so many innocent children? Things have changed in this country, and not for the better. Could it be that our society has become so coarsened, so de-sensitized to violence that such an act is no longer considered heinous to those that perpetrate them? One only need read some of the posts on this vine to realize how far our civility has devolved.

We now live in a world in a world where depravity exemplified by reality shows like "Keeping up with the Kardashians" and "Jersey Shore" are glorified and family traditions exemplified by old shows like "little house on the prairie" are dismissed as passe and irrelevant.

No doubt we will now hear from "experts" who will explain to us that todays tragedy is the result of access to guns, or racism or mean Republicans who oppose the nanny state. Things have changed from the time I was the age of the children slaughtered today. We now live in a world where a mother can abort a fetus up until the very day of delivery. It is a world where doctors can plunge a pair of scissors into the brain of an unborn child just minutes before it can expel its first breath, extract its brains and deliver a lifeless corpse. When I was the age of the children murdered today such an act was considered depraved. In todays world it is considered a "right". For a disturbed individual murdering five year olds probably doesn't seem much different.

I have no doubt that the tears President Obama shed today were genuine. All of us fathers can imagine the horror and anguish the families of those lost souls must feel. I do find it ironic that the president does not feel similar compassion for those lost souls that succumb to partial birth abortion. He in fact supports it. Are the joys of the aborted any less important? Apparently they are.

I am not a religious person, but I do appreciate that there is wisdom in the Bible. We are our brothers keeper. I wonder why no one was there to help the perpetrator of this crime. Did his mother not realize the depth of his despair? Did she not care? Did anyone care? Could anyone have affected this outcome? Maybe not. Maybe it was too late to change events. Maybe we have to go back to the beginning. Maybe each of us needs to ask ourselves if there was something we can do to alter the course of events that results in such a senseless tragedy.

So reports now are coming out that the guns were not only registered but also belonged to his mother. Also CT has some of the toughest, if not toughest gun laws in the USA. Neither worked.

Unfortunately, they still didn't stop a mentality unstable person from acquiring them and committing this unspeakable act among innocent lives.

I was watching CNN and Anderson Cooper earlier and he even said that you can have the strongest laws and protections in place and if someone wants to harm someone(s) they will find a way...usually through illegal means.

I am not a religious person, but I do appreciate that there is wisdom in the Bible.

You don't have to be a religious person to know that many religious teachings promote wisdom and ways to live your life for the betterment of society and others. Is it coincidence that as religion becomes less the norm in this nation that violence is on the rise? That's a question people need to ask themselves.

You also talk about TV today and other things like games and movies.

I think there is a fine line to walk. Like you said we basically have completely worthless mental junk in shows that are on MTV and E and other reality shows why shows that promote good morale fiber are no longer the norm. We have very violent shows also on TV and some that go beyond the norm. But again, I think we have to be careful to realize that you can have things like violence and other things in movies and show that tell a story...while other movies and shows do it to get an reaction out of the audience like a reality show.

Can't help but notice that all the liberals on this site have endless blame for this tragedy. Its the lack of gun control, video games, movies, you name it. So take it all away and then what do you do when the next tragedy hits? Explosives can be made with everyday materials, not the least of which is gasoline. You going to ban all cars? Unfortunately anyone determined to commit a violent crime is going to find a way to do it. There is simply no way for the government to ensure protection from everything by means of another law. The only people ever infringed upon by ever tightening laws, are those who have never broken them. Criminals will never be deterred. It certainly isn't a money issue, as our federal budget has never been so bloated. Somethings are just beyond the realm of simple explanations, not everything can definitively be known, and those facts don't always mesh with an ideological world view.

Guy @ 1.3

This may have relevance but only to this case. This guy was, in fact, mentally ill and it is the mentally ill that are most susceptible to any kind of violence weather it be from games, political discourse, or other media. A well adjusted person is not affected by any of the stuff listed above, not even kids. As long as kids are told that it is not real and doing those actions in real life is wrong and dangerous kids will not mimic violent behaviors found in the media.

Again it falls back to the parenting the kid received growing up, I have known parents who watched WWF weekly with their kids and they would be on the playground at school using wrestling moves on their friends, no one ever got hurt but the potential was there. Other kids whose parents forbade them from watching that crap never participated.

This guy is a good example of the people who can be affected by violence in media, adults anyway, and those people are exclusively mentally ill. John Doe with a job and a good life is not going to suddenly crack and shoot up his work place because he was watching a Soprano marathon. If he does it, it will be related to a mental issues such as a psychosomatic break precipitated by stress.

We really need to stop blaming the media for these issues and look to who is really responsible: the parents of kids who should know better and the officials who have not implemented ways to keep mentally unstable people from obtaining weapons. Then there is also the factors that caused this case, gun owners who show no sense of responsibility and do not lock their guns away in a safe or unbreakable closet.

Commonsense, you fit my description best. You probably spoke up because it is your conscious speaking. Thankfully I do not fit any of the description of your ASSumption list. But let me tell you, you probably have more in common 'sense' with the people you think are part of the problem than you will admit to. In fact, you are probably just like them.

Good luck to you. Since you are clearly thinking of yourself.

Obama: "The majority of those who died today were children -- beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10-years-old," he said, pausing to wipe away a tear. "They had their entire lives ahead of them -- birthdays, graduations, weddings, kids of their own."

What happened today at that school was a terrible tragedy and horrible crime but what a fraud and a hypocrite Obama is.

These kids had their "whole lives ahead of them" too. They were killed by predator drone strikes sanctioned by Mr. Sensitive in the White House:

Wikipedia: "Based on extensive research, the Bureau of Investigative Journalism found that between 391 – 780 civilians were killed [by drones] out of a total of between 1,658 and 2,597 and that 160 children are reported among the deaths. The Bureau also revealed that since President Obama took office at least 50 civilians were killed in follow-up strikes when they had gone to help victims and more than 20 civilians have also been attacked in deliberate strikes on funerals and mourners..."

Derek-381097, your prompt denial and subsequent angry tirade tells me that you did not make it to the mirror. Dishonesty to oneself is the most grievous and harmful sin of all. Confession cleanses the soul.

I agree. You totally should confess. You know you are wrong, but guess what.

I forgive you, Commonsense. Now go try to live up to your name.

Well, I gotta say, terrible events like this really can bring the stupid out of some people. I'd estimate that at least 40% of the posts were blindly political. Perhaps another 15-20% were just pure hateful nonsense. Only a small percent of posters actually expressed any kind of sympathy for the dead and their families.

Twenty eight people died from this incident, at the hands of an obvious madman, for no earthly reason anyone (besides him) can fathom. How about we take a moment and think about them instead of bashing each other and making this into a liberal/conservative BS argument? Not being a parent myself, I can't even begin to imagine the anguish the families of the victims are feeling right now. But I'd say, it's a fair guess that they would not appreciate the deaths of their loved ones being trivialized by a bunch of narrow-minded (expletive)s, the vast majority of who have no idea what they're going through, all so they can spew political agendas, lies, hatred and venom.

Let's try to show a modicum of respect, huh people?

What a sad day and our hearts go out to each family affected and the nation mourns for you. However, how even more disappointing that Democrats and liberals didn't even wait a few hours before turning this into a political debate on gun control.

We are a free nation and, unfortunately, free nations have tragedies. But taking away the freedoms are NOT the solution. When someone gets hurt using a lawnmower incorrectly we don't talk about banning lawnmowers. When a person uses a car incorrectly, or drives drunk, and hurts/kills others we don't talk about banning cars. When a building is built incorrectly and collapses we don't talk about banning buildings.

There are approximately 200 million guns in the United States owned by over 50 million gun owners (average gun owner has 4 guns). When you add military, law enforcement, etc. that total reaches 350 million guns in the United States. These types of events are unfortunate and finding out how to identify those who MIGHT use a gun for harmful reasons is smart and certainly something we need to do. But the gun itself is not the cause. In the land of "freedom" we don't take away rights under the pretense of "safety".

You see in the name of "safety' we could take away ALL rights of the people and arguably remove virtually all potential injury to individuals.

We can take away the First Amendment to peaceably assemble and then union rally's (such as in Michigan) could not occur thus no assaults could happen. Or the Wall Street Movement could not have occurred thus rapes and assaults could not happen. Or the right to free religion could be removed. A large number of violence could be related to religion: Antisemites hating Jews, Muslims hating Christians, and so on. If we took away the freedom of religion and forced EVERYBODY to follow one religion would that remove those threats?

Or how about the 4th Amendment: If we took that away and allowed the police to search our autos, houses, or persons at any time couldn't we argue our society would be safer? But safer from what? Do you want a knock on your door and the police are doing random inspections? Is THAT the life you want for the supposed belief of less violence?

What if we eliminated the 8th Amendment and allowed "cruel and unusual" punishment? What if we allowed suspects to be whipped and given electronic shocks. Wouldn't that give us much more information thus a safer society? Just the FEAR of being questioned by police certainly would cause much less crime - wouldn't it? But are you ready to give us freedom for the promise of security?

And would "gun control" eliminate these types of attacks? No they wouldn't. In countries where guns have been banned they have many attacks by machetes. China has had strict gun control for years but over the last 2 years have had nearly a dozen (that we know about) attacks on children by knife wielding individuals killing scores of children. Ironically just today a knife wielding individual stabbed over 22 children in a Chinese school but that news has fallen due to our tragedy but the point is the same. Crazy people will still do crazy things. Whether that is a crazy person taking a legally owned gun and shooting children or taking a legally owned machete and/or knives and killing children.

The problem is NOT the gun or machete or knife: It is the person USING the gun or machete or knife. So why do over 50 million LEGAL gun owners need to be punished? And how will they protect themselves when a machete wielding individual enters THEIR house?

The danger is to arbitrarily think TAKING AWAY rights for the purposes of "protecting" us will actually do so. Benjamin Franklin once said "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety". And that quote applies as much today as it did in 1755 (ironically Sept. 11, 1755). Those who think giving up freedoms and liberties for the purposes of "purchasing" additional safety WILL get neither.

Be careful what you are willing to give up because it is easy to be fooled into giving up "liberties" you believe we can live without but one day they will go to take away a liberty you DO care about but it will be too late. The problem today was not due to a need for gun control. Gun Control will NOT fix this type of problem. But Gun Control WILL start the downward spiral of taking away more and more freedoms until you have nothing left. Thomas Jefferson said it best when he said "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it away".

Oh no!

Fox News' crackpot psychiatrist, Dr. Keith Ablow, Wishes Newtown Principal And Kindergarten Teacher Had Been Armed

read more

http://www.newshounds.us/fox_psychiatrist_ablow_wishes_newtown_principal_and_kindergarten_teacher_had_been_armed_12142012

ProBusiness, no one wants to take away your guns. It's about gun control which is what the NRA is against.

It is a sad day when any tragedy happens that not only plagues the nation but has most of us wondering "WHY"? It's really sad when we can't simply get together and voice our opinions without being called names or insulted for just that, our opinions.

For those that say we need to "arm the teachers" I ask why? Aren't there enough guns in the school already with the Resource Officers (fancy word for police officers that work the school grounds) that are suppose to patrol the school grounds looking for people that are out of place? Again I can't "assume" that the school in question had them but that may be something to think about down the line before we take the "Give everyone a gun" approach. What's really disturbing is that this is what, the third incident in about two weeks, not to mention how many we have had this year? I mean I don't believe we need to "take all the guns off the street" but I do believe that we can find some consensus for tighter gun control laws or modify the ones that are currently on the books.

Realistically speaking is it going to happen, NO, there are too much politics and "posturing" being done to not only deflect but bury the whole "gun" issue when it does come up just like they did when the incident dealing with Gabby Giffords happen. There was talk about gun laws then nothing, faded to black like everything else. AGAIN, for all of those that didn't read it the first time, I am NOT saying we need to "take everyone's guns away", I am saying we need to take a closer look at WHO we let buy guns in this country. Will this alleivate the problem, no but it's a good start.

Oh and for those that didn't believe the President's words were genuine when he was talking about the senseless deaths of 20 children and 8 adults, may God have mercy on your souls.....

The reporting of this incident is a telling illustration of how the media jumps to conclusions and provides misinformation in the race to be 'first with the news'.

The media got so much wrong and the 'facts' kept changing. We aren't even close to knowing the whole story.

And yet look at how conservatives villified Susan Rice for not getting all the facts right on Benghazi, an incident which occured at night in a foreign country.

Our media had it a lot easier on this story and they still got almost every fact wrong at first report.

The brother, Ryan Lanza, has been villified in social media on top of everything else he has to endure. He should have our sympathy too.

Pat

I love your posts and understand and feel your frustration but gun laws alone won't stop this. The genie is out of the bottle. And yes, the NRA loves to climb in bed with the repugnicans. But even if you banned all guns today, the ones that are already out there will mostly stay there. Not all guns are registered, nor do they have to be. Most, arguably all, of the perps who commit this kind of act are mentally ill. Professionals have been building profiles on this kind of person for a long time. The problem is that many people fit this profile but never go ballistic. Where do we start? Clearly, we need to take mentally ill persons more seriously as a potential threat. I suggest that in spite of the paranoid delusions of the NRA and the reich wing, it's time for all guns to be registered. If Joe Blow sells a gun to his buddy and fails to report it, it's a crime. We need to establish links between the mentally ill and access to guns. But the last thing we should do is try to get rid of them. That will be impossible. I suggest that maybe teachers should be allowed to carry in school and if they desire, train them with them. There are many things to consider in this complex problem. And bullying factors in there somewhere too. And, yes, it would be nice if the wh0re$ in the repugnican party would tell the NRA to %^$# off. Another big plus would be for Americans en masse to part ways with the NRA and recognize that they are simply another rich bunch of fat cats trying to line their nests and doing so with the blood of our children and neighbors. If their membership dried up, their power would evaporate. The GOP doesn't sleep with poor people. We all know that.

Probusiness,

It couldn't and shouldn't wait. 130,000 murders in the past decade because Reagan closed so many mental institutions and republicans cut funding for them back in the 80's. My cousin is already talking about how her guns protects her family. How many were saved yesterday because someone owned a gun? I only read about mass murders at school, universities, military forts, in backyards, in homes, at Malls family members murdering whole families. Are these people owning guns sane before they get the guns or is it the guns that make them insane???

Probusiness,

Some people might have waited, but since there was just a mass murder in Oregon on Tuesday and there will probably be more next week when is the right time? NOW!

Here is how the 2nd Amendment starts:

"A well regulated militia ..."

There is a word in there that most people seem to miss - REGULATED. So, the founding fathers were apparently all in favor of gun control. Gun control, you see, is very different from gun banning.

Can you drive a car without a licence? Do you have your licence taken away if you violate the rules too many times? Can you drive a 50 foot armored car with spiked wheels at 100 miles an hour past a school?

No - it's because we have "Car control". This is for all those bringing up the asinine point that cars kill as well, so we shouldn't control guns.

We shouldn't ban guns. But we should definitely control them. We should make sure that people who own guns know how to use them, respect them. They should be mentally stable. The guns shouldn't be military-grade. There should be certain places where they should never be allowed.

Seems fairly straightforward - but there is too much money to be made in continuing the slaughter of our children.

Spin it how you want PP but that "well regulated militia" has to do with the people and control thereof making up that militia. Not the weapons they utilize.

Nice try though. Bet some will jump right on your bandwagon.

To all the fans of guns:

How many children have to get killed by guns before its time to remove them for the country ?

One Million

Ten thousand

One hundred

Ten

Maybe your son or daughter ?

Beverly,

That guy you posted about is a good example of a paranoid delusional that Foxites seem to listen to for an inexplicable reason. All they ever say in response to these tragedies is "moar gunz!" and yet when more guns are introduced the number of these incidents tends to increase. Gun sales have been up for the past two or three years. The number of gun related homicides that involved an innocent third party have also gone up drastically.

If one does not see a correlation between the two then you might just be an idiot (not aimed at Bev but at the idiots listening to this idiot on Fox). Further arming a populace does not put and end to crime, it intensifies it by allowing much easier access to weaponry. This is a perfect example of this precept. This town was a low crime area. Yet this teacher had two guns in her home. She did not follow gun safety instructions and store those guns in a gun cabinet or safe and obviously stored them with the ammo. She also had a son at home with mental health issues, which means her lack of following safety guidelines is even more important.

This crime that was committed was not a crime of hatred or maleficence, it was once of continence. Some may be scratching their head but hear me out. Had those guns been securely locked away and not with the ammo this would not have happened. Her son was not going to go out and buy guns to do this, in fact he may not have been able to (some states do not let you buy guns till your 21, this guy was 20).

As a gun owner you are responsible and task with making sure that your guns cannot fall into the hands of those that would use them against other people without just cause. Obviously this woman failed to do this miserably and paid the price with her life, her son's life, and the life of 20 kids and five other adults.

Talk to the Hand - how exactly do you limit "regulated" to the people but not their weapons? Is a stringent gun licensing policy regulation of the guns or of the people who would buy those guns?

In your haste to toe the NRA line, you have missed the basic point entirely. Why shouldn't there be control of guns when we have control of pretty much everything else (cars, alcohol, cigarettes, to name a few)? You are perfectly fine with people having to wait till the age of 17 and having to pass eyesight/written/driving tests before they can get behind the wheel of a car, but you are not fine with people having to pass a background check, a mental evaluation, and a test of the basic rules of gun ownership before they are sold something that can be used to kill 20 kids?

At what point do PEOPLE become more important to the NRA than their damned guns? How many more dead do they have to have before they see the correlation between easy gun access and these tragedies.

JenLee will stupidly talk about China - it's all she has - which has NOTHING to do with the US. How many mass murders in the US have NOT involved guns? NONE! She, however, keeps harping on China because it is ALL she knows - she has nothing else.

Let's talk reality which is what is happening here in the US. We need to have stricter gun laws - the NRA be damned! There have to be criminal and mental backgrounds done before ANY gun sale and ALL guns need to be registered - no exceptions. Anyone who doesn't follow the rules should spend 10 years in jail - no early probation.

And, jenlee, if you're so damned focused on China - go there!

You simply cannot ban or mandate "crazy". However, you don't take away rights from 300 million people because we have a crazy person or two. If it wasn't a gun it would have been a bomb, machete, knives, etc.

The lunacy is to think taking away 200 million guns from law-abiding individuals will somehow stop "crazy". It won't. The solution? We don't need gun control - we need "crazy" control. We don't take rights from one group because "crazy" in another group decided to use a gun.

Peter Punn: You must have missed class when you studied history and the Constitution. It is not hard to see, and the Supreme Court has upheld in multiple decisions, that in that time period the people WERE the militia. So it said a "well regulated militia" meaning the PEOPLE will always have the need to protect themselves and the country. So the 2nd amendment means THE PEOPLE!!

But let's go one step further. Thomas Jefferson had multiple comments about the rights of the people to own guns confirming the second amendments purpose. For example Thomas Jefferson said:

1) "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny in government"

So how could the 2nd amendment imply the right is for the GOVERNMENT and MILITARY (as liberals like to believe) when the above CLEARLY states THE PEOPLE!!

2) "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one" (actually this was Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria a Criminologist at the time).

3) "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it"

And let's not forget THIS quote from Thomas Jefferson:

4) "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not"

Gun ownership is critical to the freedoms and protections in this country. We must not confuse a need to control "crazy" as a need to control guns that "crazy people" get. Gun control is not the solution.

Odds are a well trained militia would only be extreme right wing anarchists trying to take over and make us a military state!

Odds are a well trained militia would only be extreme right wing anarchists trying to take over and make us a military state!

P Boston, absolutely the most ridiculous I've ever seen. And buddy, you've made a bunch.

Kornfed,

Ditto! Please stop posting your sick posts!

Pro Business - I'll set aside the basic argument about just why you think Thomas Jefferson's words are the gospel and what he said more than 200 years ago should still qualify as the absolute truth.

You take the position that we should not control guns, we should control crazy. So logically extrapolating from that, should we not ensure that the crazy people don't get guns? And wouldn't you construe that to be gun control?

And ironically, that is exactly the kind of gun control that I am suggesting - that people have to meet certain conditions and standards before they are allowed to own a gun. Unfortunately, the NRA has brainwashed enough people like you to believe that even that is anathema. That somehow it is ok to have a lower threshold to own a gun than to drive a car.

Vin,

and some of my relatives where among them. PLEASE don't use this lame excuse to describe Americans keeping guns to kill. None of the German public owned guns either. It is a disgusting comparison.

I came here as a young boy and remember that the Nazi's ran fake National Christians Democrats just like the republicans ran fake Democrats in Wisconsin. The Nazi's had voter suppression like many governors ( mostly republicans are trying now) and Wisconsin was proposing. I remember how the Nazi's got the German High Court to allow unlimited funding for elections just like the Robert's Court did in this last election so that they could buy elections. These are better examples, but leave the 6,000,000 Jews out of it.

Vin,

"Schools kill people!" How sick and inappropriate at this time!

Vin

What???????? Are you even rational? I have absolutely no idea what point you are attempting to make.

From post 1.148 by ProBusiness above.

ProBusiness: And let's not forget THIS quote from Thomas Jefferson:

4) "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not"

This is from the Thomas Jefferson, Monticello Website on spurious (fake) Jefferson quotations:

Quotation: "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."

Variations: 1. "Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."

Sources consulted: Searching on the phrase "hammer their guns"

1. Monticello website
2. Ford's Works of Thomas Jefferson
3. UVA EText Jefferson Digital Archive: Jeffersonian Cyclopedia, Thomas Jefferson on Politics and Government, Texts by or to Thomas Jefferson from the Modern English Collection
4. Thomas Jefferson Retirement Papers
5. Quotable Jefferson, ed. Kaminski (searching under "guns")

Earliest known appearance in print: No appearances in print found. [1]

Earliest known appearance in print, attributed to Thomas Jefferson: See above.

Other attributions: None known.

Status: We have not found any evidence that Thomas Jefferson said or wrote, "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."

http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/those-who-hammer-their-guns-plowsquotation

Why are ALL of these shootings happening in "BLUE" states?