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Subscribe to RSSPresident Obama said he's willing to compromise, but it remains to be seen whether or not he will reject House Speaker John Boehner's back-up plan which would prevent tax hikes on those making less than $1 million. NBC's Chuck Todd reports.
An overwhelming majority of Americans want Congress and the Obama White House to reach a deal featuring both tax increases and spending cuts to avert the so-called fiscal cliff, according to the latest national NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
Click here for full results from the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll (pdf)
In fact, majorities of Democrats, Republicans and political independents each support such a deal.
Yet respondents are split over whether any kind of agreement can be reached, and nearly seven in 10 believe that the coming year will feature Democrats and Republicans in Congress showing little willingness to come to an agreement on important matters.
Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted the survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff, says the public is sending this one-word message to Washington: compromise.
“Doing something trumps doing nothing,” Hart said.
Related: Boehner: 'Serious differences' separate GOP from Obama
The survey – conducted a month after November’s election – also shows a positive uptick in opinion toward President Barack Obama, and more negative views about defeated GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney and the Republican Party. The poll also finds that a majority of Americans now support gay marriage.
Fiscal cliff talks have stalled as 'serious differences' remain between both parties – and according to the latest NBC/WSJ poll the public wants an agreement, soon. Although both sides are still discussing ways to avoid the fiscal cliff, neither side is optimistic that they'll come to a resolution before Christmas. NBC's Chuck Todd reports.
‘Hints of a thaw’
According to the poll, a combined 68 percent of Americans say that the fiscal cliff – the looming combination of tax increases and spending cuts set to take place at the beginning of next year if nothing is done – is either a “very serious” or “fairly serious” problem.
A similar two-thirds of respondents are willing to accept an increase in taxes or cuts in federal government programs they care about to reach an agreement to avoid the problem.
Asked another way, 65 percent say leaders in Congress should find a compromise to reduce the budget deficit, even if that means Democrats would need to accept targeted spending cuts to Social Security and Medicare, and that Republicans would need to accept targeted increases in tax rates.
NBC's Mark Murray and Domenico Montanaro discuss the latest developments in the fiscal negotiations between President Obama and House Speaker John Boehner.
By comparison, just 28 percent believe that leaders should stick to their traditional positions on the deficit – even if that means Congress goes over the fiscal cliff, triggering those automatic spending cuts and tax increases.
“There are hints of a thaw here, compared to previous data we’ve seen,” McInturff says.
Indeed, for the first time in the poll, a majority of Republicans (59 percent) want GOP leaders in the House and Senate to make compromises in order to gain consensus in the current budget debate.
Previously, in 2011, majorities of Republicans said they preferred GOP leaders to stick to their positions rather than make compromises.
And the percentage of Democrats who favor compromise on this question (70 percent) is now at an all-time high in the survey.
With Christmas less than two weeks away, the White House is faced with the same key question – Can House Speaker John Boehner deliver enough Republican votes for whatever debt deal he and President Barack Obama agree on. The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd reports.
Who’s to blame if there isn’t a deal? Everyone
Yet the public is split – 48 percent of respondents are optimistic, and 48 percent are pessimistic – over whether Congress will be able to reach consensus to avoid the fiscal cliff. And another 69 percent believe that the next year on Capitol Hill will be marked by division and little willingness to compromise.
If there is no compromise on the fiscal cliff and the automatic tax increases and spending cuts go into effect at the beginning of next year, 24 percent say they will blame congressional Republicans more, while 19 percent will point the finger at Obama and congressional Democrats.
But a majority of respondents (56 percent) say they’ll blame both sides equally.
Still, twice as many Americans say they trust the president more in handling this fiscal situation (38 percent) than House Speaker John Boehner and the congressional Republicans (19 percent).
And significant majorities believe Obama holds a clear mandate from the election on issues related to this subject:
- 68 percent say he has a mandate on cutting taxes for families earning less than $250,000 per year
- 65 percent say he has a mandate on reducing the deficit by both increasing taxes on the wealthy and reducing federal spending
- And 59 percent say he has a mandate on eliminating the Bush-era tax cuts for household income over $250,000 a year.
Obama’s lift vs. the GOP’s decline
Speaking of Obama, the poll shows an uptick in his numbers after his victory in last month’s presidential election.
Fifty-three percent of adults approve of his overall job performance, and 49 percent approve of his handling of the economy – higher marks on these questions than at any time during the 2012 campaign.
Another 53 percent say they feel either “optimistic and confident” or “satisfied and hopeful” Obama will do a good job as president, which is up three points from Oct. 2012.
“Any president has a little bit of a lift heading into the first few months of any new term in office,” McInturff, the GOP pollster, says.
Thursday's "Gaggle" which includes Jackie Kucinich, Margie Omero, Perry Bacon and Bob Costa talk about the fiscal cliff negotiations.
But if Obama is getting a lift after the election, the Republican Party is seeing a further decline.
The GOP’s favorable/unfavorable rating in the poll now stands at 30 percent/45 percent (minus-15 points), which is down from 36 percent/43 percent (minus-7) right before the election.
That’s compared with the Democratic Party’s 44 percent/35 percent rating (plus-9 points).
What’s more, asked to give a word or short phrase to describe the Republican Party, 65 percent offered a negative comment, including more than half of Republicans.
Some of the responses: “Bad,” “weak,” “negative,” “uncompromising,” “need to work together,” “broken,” “disorganized” and “lost.”
By contrast, 37 percent gave negative descriptions of the Democratic Party, while 35 percent were positive.
“Republicans have gone off the image cliff,” says Hart, the Democratic pollster.
“Elections have consequences,” McInturff adds about the GOP. “And among those consequences is the cost of losing.”
The consequences of losing also exist for Romney, whom Obama defeated in November.
Romney’s favorable/unfavorable rating in the poll is 35 percent/44 percent (minus-9 points), down from his 43 percent/44 percent score (minus-1) before the election. Much of that drop comes from Republicans and conservatives.
Majority supports same-sex marriage
Finally, for the first time ever in the NBC/WSJ poll, a majority of respondents – 51 percent – support same-sex marriage.
That percentage in support is up from 30 percent in 2004, 41 percent in 2009 and 49 percent in March 2012, demonstrating how quickly public opinion on this issue has changed in just eight years.
The NBC/WSJ poll was conducted Dec. 6-9 of 1,000 adults (including 300 cell phone-only respondents), and it has an overall margin of error of plus-minus 3.1 percentage points.
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The rich should pay higher tax rate than the middle class. For too long the rich have had to many tax loop holes thanks to the republicans.
go make your own money and leave mine alone
daisy
what people don't tell you is there is a difference between "income tax" and capital gains taxes
to raise the tax rate on Income tax hurts the people that own and run small business they pay
INCOME tax
people who earn all their money from investments pay capital gains tax rates
Warren Buffet does not earn or pay income taxes
because his money comes from capital gains on investments
see where the wool has been pulled over your eyes
politicians and people like warren buffet make most if not all their money from capital gains (the profits their investments make them)
no wonder Buffet doesn't mind his income taxes going up
raising income tax rates hurts Doctors, Lawyers and the guy who owns the company you work for
They do pay a higher rate on ordinary income.
Also, the capital gains they pay tax on was already taxed at the 35% corporate rate.
Warren Buffet can write a check to the IRS specifically to reduce the national debt which is already available to any one who want to contribute, per my congressman.
It's time to retiere the income tax system. Adjusted for living expenses, one could justify adding 3 tiers to the income tax top end and readjust for 300k and 400k respectively, since we know CEOs never make less than 1 million dollars while workers in firms can make upwards of 200k if in a high position.
So, here’s where we're at. Either fix it NOW or get your ass out of town. Don't make my kids and my grandkids pay for your stupidity, ignorance and thinking you are all smarter than your electorate. It's about time you guys and gals up there in your ivory towers try to act a little more like Americans instead of a politicians. If I ran my family like you jerks do--Democrats and Republicans alike, I'd would have been in the poorhouse years ago.
A President is supposed to be a Leader, bringing the government together. If he can't do anything in 4 years, how is he to do it in 8 years? If Obama isn't culpable, we might as well do away with the office of president altogether since he is so ineffective and blames the other party for everything that is wrong with the country. Four more years!!!
You obviously never tried to train a ragtag bunch of skinny burr headed monkey's dicks @ PI or SD! If you had you'd know it takes a lot of scaring dah @!$%#e outna dah recruits to get to march in cadence. I DID and Congress is the worst class of BOOTS I ever did SEE!
DOC ----Sir,Yes,Sir and your right sarg.
They are talking HIGHER TAX RATES FOR EVERYONE
Do NOT buy the BS
we the average Americans ALWAYS foot the bill for the Rich and the Lazy
Straight honesty want to cut the deficit?
NO TAX PAYER SUBSIDIES FOR
ILLEGAL ALIENS
no cell phone
no Medicare
no Medicaid
no SNAP card
no Pell Grants
no Tax "refunds"
NADA
YO SOY Latino
me padres came LEGALLY
Yours should have too
What's a SNAP card?
Honestly, never heard of that.
http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/applicant_recipients/eligibility.htm
STFU Marcus, I repeat !
Stutter-er I see like Obama
Think somebody needs a diaper change - go tell momma
The issue is who should pay more taxes.. why should you be taxed at a higher rate because you are willing to work harder and earn more money? Why should we raise taxes if we aren't making cuts.. I have a modest income.. I have worked my entire life from a factory job to a salaried job.. I went back to school and paid for my education to better myself and buy better things.. Not pay taxes on the people who think it's below them to do certain jobs or support a government that can't seem to cut spending. When you are down and out you cut out a lot of things. like extra channels on your cable bill.. (Big Bird reference here in case you don't get it). I don't want my tax money going to pay for an abortion.. planned parent hood.. support yourself not with my money.. Obamacare.. we are going to pay for this by cutting payments to the provider.. means if I want to see the doctor of my choice it's going to cost me more out of pocket. Come on Mr. President let's take a good look at the real middle class.. they do make 250,000 a year in the big cities.. or they are the little store owner.. get off your I am the king and look around.. you only won by 2% of the vote.. there are a lot of people who don't agree with your politics.. I have written my congress and senators and told them not to cave to his new tax laws.. they take away the incentive to work hard and promote let the other guy pay for what I get..
So there is a vague almost promise from the dems that they will cut spending sometime in the future....Dont hold your breath. This reminds of the first Bush president who finally reluctantly agreed to a deal with the dems of allowing raising taxes in return for the promise of lower spending....Of course the tax increase happened but also of course the dems had never had any intention of lowering spending....The result is that these very same dems within a week were braying that Bush lied to the public...and of course the liberal media has been saying that continuously for years now....The dems can lie about anything they want and they will never be held accountable....And the media will lie for them every time....
Hey all bigots..............
if the GOP only serves the rich
Where is the UNIONS MONEY COMING FROM..............POOR PEOPLE I GUESS HUH???????????
Yes it is you friggin nitwit! Obviously the Corps and WALL ST. ain't funding UNIONS! YOU ARE ONe stupid mf AIN'T YAH???!!!
GR, unions cannot use dues to fund political campaigns. they can ask for free donations from their members only. Unions do not have half the political power that corporate heads do. Now, when internal matters in companies come into play, unions hold the cards, but unions are funded by those employed for much less than 200k per year.
well the gop govs are takein care of all this union crap....the dems have the pres office and senate and gop still gets sh*t done ....hahahahaha
bird the gop have gotten nothing done. And the second you de-unionize the private sector is the second you get the same scenario as carnegie steel. Workers aren't paid enough to keep up with living expenses and the workers receive no protections because labor laws don't exist. In reality without a workers' protection contract, you could be tortured during your work if the employer so chose, and you would not be able to call foul.
The democrats may be living in lala land, but the GOP neoconservatives who have forgotten what conservatism actually means are so deep in kingdom crazy they think they're the sane ones. The staunch libertarians are equally as stupid.
Patrick, you are living in lala land. Maybe socialism would suit you better.
Hey DOC and Partrick
please go back to your tribe..........or back to school of knowledge...seems like you only attended the school of ignorance which teachers unionists brainwash everyone........
LIKE IT OR NUT...UNIONS ARE FINISHED.......YELLED WHAT YOU WANT...THIS IS REAL
joe substantiate yourself or get out of the way of your intellectual superiors. GR, I never attended public school. I was never taught by unionized teachers. The reality which can be easily googled is that europe outranks us on medical care while majorily having their fiscal houses in order. If you want a medical system that doesn't screw the consumer or drown the government, you have to turn it into a single payer system and make pharmaceutical companies compete for contracts (meaning they are forced to produce cures instead of treatments, that way it's no longer just about long term slaves for making the companies money, it's about results).
"All this union crap". Like the forty-hour work week, eight hour day, overtime pay, two weeks paid vacation, etc. These are benefits every employed American enjoys and the reason is that the unions fought for every one of them!
Patrick, you are so confused, it's pitiful.
joe, substantiate yourself or you will retain 0 credibility to anyone in the academic/scientfic world.
Patrick, that is your problem, you are a wise ass, nor do I care about anybody in the academic/scientific world.
joe, one earns the priviledge of being a wise ass. You saying you don't care about the scientific and academic world shows you have nothing positive to add even to this discussion. The founders never wanted politicians running this game. they wanted the intellectual masters of the era to be doing it: the business poeople, the economists, the businessmen (with moral centers, remember the age they came from), the engineers, the scientists, and the technological forerunners, not career politicians. You who have forgotten history and what truly matters in this world are hopeless until those issues are resolved.
Patrick, is this what your liberal professors told you in lala land. Can't wait when you enter the REAL world.
Patrick, the people that disagree with you simply don't care about the American people. Health care should be a right, regardless of one's income. No civilized nation would refuse health care to people because they can't afford health insurance, and no civilized country would allow health care providers to be for-profit agencies. It's like making a profit off the misery of the sick and injured.
Finally, everyone is acknowledging obstructionism. They wouldnt the last 4 years. They had to get lied to by Big Business(aka the RNC) for the past 50 yrs, in general, to be coaxed to vote 4 them. On 11/6/12, they saw that wasnt happening, so the puppets of Big Business(Red Congress & un-informed Middle Class voters who got played) are softening up or will need to 2 keep their jobs in '14.
The solution is very simple cut the Friggin DOD Budgets!
it would also help doc if You would get a job and pay taxex ....aND MOVE OUT OF YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENT
All Public unions should be immeidiatly halted ,it just promotes the greed and laziness of the uneducated left while the actual working people have to pay for it!!
Thanks to Banks GW Bush's Right Congress and their Insider Trading (Which was LEGAL then a/o still is)w/ Banks on Houses has made alotta people homeless over the past 7 yrs, yet bank & Congress knew 8 yrs ago. Getting up & going aint the easiest thing 2 do.
Dave, as a counterevidence to your claim, I implore you to look at the historical carnegie steel case. You can do anything to your employees if they're not under a protections contract. If you completely deunionized the U.S.A and deregulated most of business as the GOP platform is currently aiming for, you would see a million copies of the abuses of Carnegie Steel within months.
Wrong O- Dog that was clinton and frank that made people homeless,nice try
Your dream pat make it what you want,I dont want to pay for a lazy union drunks pension for 30 years after it worked for 20.
Why did the Stock Market crash in 10/2007?
Dave, I wholeheartedly agree the pension system needs to be limited, to say about half the number of years the person worked for the company. I'd also limit the pensions of our current politicians to 5 years after exitting the political arena instead of indefinitely. And you can call my proposed reality a madman's dream, but history has a nasty habit of repeating itself when arrogant idiots refuse to learn from it.
Before GWB got in, USA was in the Black. Wake up Dave.
o, not entirely accurate as the surplus was produced by dipping into the scial security trust fund, but we were very close.
but Clinton signed all the free trade acts into law and the corps ran out of this country in droves causing massive layoffs.. that's the start of it all. I know I lost my job to those laws and they are still moving overseas.. until we tax everything coming back into this country and get our jobs back here we will never ever have a balanced budget there aren't enough jobs for the non-college worker out there.
Every month,everyday,everyhour,everysecond this great country is going in the hole,more people out of work,more people on food stamps,more people in forclosure,more states wanting to suseed from the nation all in all more suffering and poverty,and it is because of that thing obama,I just hope you idiots that voted for him end up under a bridge like he wants you to.
Notice it started 8 yrs ago w/ GOP Insider Trade on Everyones Houses w/ the US Banks on Wall St. I thought the Righty Whities had educations. You know Youve been lied to for 50+ yrs.? GOP is a hoe-house create by big business.
All because of Obama.
Your an idiot.
All these problems you list, everyone were literally created and started in the last four years I guess you'll say next.
Your blind hatred keeps you from seeing things the way they really are.
accountable, you can claim blind hatred only when you substantiate your own with concrete facts and sources. Otherwise it's the exact same thing.
B A ,It didnt start in the last 4 years but it has damn near tripled, Fact ,Your blind ignorence keeps you from seeing reality.
Both sides have no plan to agree
This is all TV drama for the poor and unemployed of America - and it's selling - unbelievably
Quite watching nbc. Repblicans have always had a plan,to start quit spending
Dave, if this was the GOP of 20 years ago, I'd agree with you, but the GOP backed romney wanting to double the DOD budget, so you can shut your ill-conceived mouth and study the current neoconservatives running the show and compare them against the rockefeller and reagan age republicans. If you don't see the difference, you're intellectually worthless.
Hey Pat Your lack of itellect is usaually comparred to a mental midget, but that would give them a bad name,if you have anything intelligent to say you may speak,otherwise dont just tell me to shut my mouth to hide your incompetence,and take at look at the socialist terriost muslim in chief that is destoying this country before showing your ignorence again.
Dave and Pat: Here's a graph of our debt. Looks like Bush II started sinking the ship by engaging in two unfunded wars while advocating, and getting, the infamous 'Bush Tax Cuts'. You can also add a few billion for the Medicare Part D drug bill, also unfunded (and written by lobbyists for Big Pharma). Note: I have to take a blood thinner for the rest of my life - Plavix. That drug costs about $50 everywhere else in the world, but here is is over $350 a month. Why? Because Part D specifically prohibits Medicare from negotiating drugs prices; an authority that the Veterans Administration has, by the way.
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Dave you just completely lost all credibility. I've lived 26 years and been keenly watching the goings on the entire time. The current GOP is not based in true fiscal conservatism. It's based in hiding the bad numbers and shifting them around to look better.
The plan is set, all your hearing now is fluff, BoneHead caved in, higher taxes, and not just on the rich.
Their will be no spending cuts, but more spending...yes.
Well, the idiots will continue to argue and bicker over stupid and meaningless partisan political agendas. Spend an hour reading the comments on this board and you'll see what I mean.
The PUBLIC, however, seems to be saying overwhelmingly to BOTH parties, stop the childish bickering, climb down off your high horses and soapboxes, spit out your egos and compromise! Get the darned thing done and shut up with all the divisive rhetoric!
You can come up with all kinds of neat-sounding, cleverly-worded BS about why the Democrats and Liberals are stupid and wrong and why the Republicans and Conservatives are stupid and wrong, but in the end, all we're doing is adding to the gridlock by not directing our energies to those men and women who have to make the decisions; demanding they work together.
I don't care how 'right' your position is, you HAVE TO COMPROMISE or nothing gets done! It's the way America is, people have differing ideas and desires and no one can have it all their way. All the intractible, polarized, stubborn obstructionists need to be voted out, tomorrow if possible, and way made for sane heads who realize that the reality is that ALL of us have to give something to get something.
Stop telling your elected representatives to FIGHT and tell them to WORK TOGETHER. Sick of this mess!
There will be a deal reached for sure. Including the built in deal of going off the cliff. And that one might be the best for the country.
Chris Matthews you are right, however you could be wrong estimating the depth of the distress foisted upon on the long suffering public, by self-serving politicians, self-serving media such some are. It is in the make believe world of politics, where there is a great pretense to be serving the public, yet we see the most profound political lying, abuse and misconduct are played out in public. Then the media ignores this level of political lying, abuse and misconduct when it is so bold played out in public, it easy to see that there is no penalty for anything states, done or abuses. It is quite valid to suppose that this builds and builds and builds without consequence. As we see in the Senate Chamber we see nothing of any political consequence done, it goes on forever years and is not resolved. Outside of the Senate Chamber there are every day, real and painful consequences, and when those sitting in despair cannot see it being resolved, it is then that we have consequences that are being ignored.
The long transgression and abuses of King George III, were long ignored, and long suffered, until it could not be accepted. Creating a country that was able to address grievances, that seems to less and less possible.
Fox News has more of less made a new institution of lying, fabrication's and falseness and the like. Strutting on the public stage, arrogant and superior, smug in conceit, it cannot be turned off.
So who should apologize, certainly it is the offender, who is the aggressor. But doesn't Fox News, if not a long list of campaign underwriters, politicians need to apologize for leading the country, so poorly for so long. Much of problem in the Media stems from Ronald Reagan, who took that fakery of stage craft to the public never realizing that the word 'cut' was not in the real dictionary. This may sound great to the media aficionados of politics, rude entertainment and commenters pleading for civility, but a well-executed punch in the nose would go along awry to correcting Fox news and the long list of others.
Normally by the time we get this worked up, we would want to legalize dueling in the halls of Congress.
The auction is over, fair warning to all bidders.
Michigan
The "right to work if you want to state"
So many Unemployed people living large on government assistance, dining out - without the benefit of a job
Obese - and they know it
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Sorry - my cursor got stuck
i agree 100%
Maybe they should end federal income tax refunds that are given to people that don't pay any federal income taxes.
Well, I'm all for low taxes on everyone, but there's one little problem we have here. It's that elephant in the room and I don't mean the GOP elephant. It's that 16 trillion dollar debt elephant that's the problem. Looks to me that Obama has the upper hand here and the GOP is down to their last checker and unfortunately it's pinned in the corner. Taxes will go up at the beginning of the new year the question is will it go up for everyone or just the top 2%. Now having said that, there's pretty much nothing else left to say. To the GOP: Good Luck with that one. lol
Obama is the the master of back door taxing. Obama care is full of it. Any tax increases on businesses will be passed on to the consumer, plus a little more while they are at it.
Look at it this way. If you own a business and your costs go up what would you do? Those of you that would say just pay it and make less should right now write a check to the IRS.
All of it's a war Bush officially declared and wasnt put on the books until this economy was heading Black & White like our President.
The wars were approved with overwelming bipartisan support.
What was it 8 trillion when Pres Bush left office now in 4 yers 16 trilion another term with the idiot will make it 22 trillion.
Dave, we are still pouring money into Afghanistan and just recently pulled the plug on Iraq; two wars started under questionable pretenses at best, and throughout these wars we have been borrowing to pay for them - thanks to the Bush tax cuts. Who in their right mind would go to war and cut taxes?
If the folks taking up space in Congress can't get their act together and work this "cliff hanger" out, I will not vote for any current incumbent (democrat or republican) in the next election. "We the people" are fed up with the self serving bureaucrats who seem to be more interested in having a p...... contest with each other than solving problems. They need to understand that we will not continue to send them back to Washington to continue their games.
Obama, and the media, is selling socialism to the people of this country....and more than half are idiots buying what is being sold.....
Economic socialism is a horrible idea. socialized healthcare is both efficient and fiscally conservative. We are ranked lower than most of europe on healthcare, and it's because we lack availability. Socializing healthcare fixes that, and a single payer system fixes cost inflations against the taxpayer.
Universal health care was first supported by Republicans with support from the Heritage Foundation.
What would you call huge grants, rebates, or whatever they were called to the major oil companies? I'm sure Exxon/Mobil needed a few more billion from US taxpayers.
The party of 'No' can't compromise.
That's why they are losing and all sorts of falling apart.
The people have spoken and the republicans just refuse to listen.
You mean Harry Reid and the democrat controlled senate. The house passed 6 jobs bills that were not even debated in the senate.
Unless one party or the other has sixty votes, no one controls the Senate.
EXACTLY!
The cast of characters is the same today as it was 2 years ago. There is no mystery here.
It is not a matter of looking weak any more. it is a matter of looking stupid.
The leadership is deprecated in todays political lexicon. But all of the classic cliches appliy here.
We have been without anyone at the helm for too long now. The president got the mandate. At this point it is not about poking the other guy in the eye, as satisfying as that may be, as President of the United States, and leader of the free world, what does that mean ?
It better damn well mean somthing. The more he steps up, the more it will mean for his legacy and of all those who follow in his foot steps in that office.
Two years ago was a pivotal time and that opportunity was squandered by congress in a stupid and follish manner, like kids playing with matches in a gasoline factory. But that time has passed.
Now we have today. If, leadership matters, now is the time to seize the day. Carpe Diem boys. Make your lives extrodinary, not foolish and stupid.
Advocate for greater good of our America our great land. If not that, then what ?
The problem with the federal budget is too much spending. But the real problem is once the federal government makes a program and federal dollars are in play, organizations line up to suckle on the milk of easy federal dollars. Well they about to suck the bitch dry. Bankrupt the country as it were.
The prices thay charge are too high. Marbleized hospitals built like the taj mahal. Expensive health care does not mean good health care. And expensive health care that bankrupts the country is not in the national interest. Same for defense.
Amen.
Who did you Poll????? You sure as hell didnt call me or anyone I know. Save your self serving propaganda for the newbies that are graduating.
the newbies graduating see the problems with a new perspective. the older you get the more limited you are. To not realize the youth has a voice is arrogant and foolish. We have to fix the problems past generations created. So, in two words, "screw you."
Don't you have to leave your cell phone off during the day except after school, my young lad?
Herron I'm in graduate school at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. I'm finishing my doctorate in Quantum Computation. I'm 26. I'm not arrogant like you. You are all drinking up this political back and forth like it was heroine. None of you can be helped without massive intervention or until you hit rock bottom, and the youth know it.
Patrick, now you have answered my question, you don't even have a job yet. Come back after you have worked for years and see if you have the same mind set.
Joe, I'm sixty-seven, served in Viet Nam, owned my own business (which I recently sold) and would like to stay and visit with all of you for a while longer. May I stay?
joe, here's the reality. D-wave, the canadian firm on the cutting edge of quantum computation, is paying for me to finish my school. I will immediately have a position upon completion of my doctorate. Lockheed martin, one of the biggest contractors in military technology, bought the D-wave system. I'm getting in on the bottom floor of the new age encryption and data projection age. your current computer will be slightly more expensive than paper in 40 years. And I stand by what I said, you're all blinded by politics and have lost sight of the reality of either party.
Why wouldn't someone like you be able to stay? Love to have ya here.
When will today's GOP get enough active brain cells to realize that Fox "News" has been lying to them the last 4 year?
So you watch fox news?
Big Business has been lying to followers outside the 2% that it's a party. Theyre puppets a/o sluts of Big Business. They have been for 50+yrs.
Nope.. Just the clips on comedy shows!
Fox is funny. And no one that trust tem should be allowed outside without a handler!
So you are ok with making ignorant comments.
ignorant = Lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact
I wonder if Karl Rove still watches Fox? He all but called them liars on election night.
Election night was the first time I watched Fox News in a long time, I tuned in just when Rove jumped the shark big time. LMFAO!
The white male dominated Republican establishment will not work with the black guy in office. This is fact but the mainstream media keeps sidestepping this issue.
No problem.
The Republican establishment will be history after the mid-term election. The public is getting tired of their bull-s h i t.
I don't like the white half of him either.
Larry, don't you real racists ever get tired of accusing others of being racists? That is all the media ever tried to do was that. Half the country doesn't agree withj him period.
Any poll that NBC is any part of doesn't come close to what the real public wants. And by real publlic I'm talking about those that pay their way. All you professional welfare leaches just don't count.
oh thats right obama lost ????
aril, the reality for the majority of poor people (at least in NYC where I'm currently residing and san francisco where I once lived) without work would love to find work, but no one's hiring for their skill sets because economic demand is bottoming out because idiots following reagan like he's god have played supply-side economics too long. And since the education needed for higher-skilled occuptations isn't free, those people are majorily screwed.
that's as stupid a comment as I've seen in a long while. So let me ask you something/; do you REALLY believe what you just posted or are you just trying to be a jerk (I suppose i should mention the poll was by NBC AND the Wall Street Journal....but that would pull me down to his level, wouldn't it)
Patrick: It might have something to do with the economy becoming global. In the '60s when people didn't trust low quality foreign tires, it was easy to put 5,000 high school dropouts to work making decent wages in a tire factory. Those are the jobs that have left our economy and aren't coming back. We still have the high school dropouts, though, and they ain't never becoming health care professionals, computer programmers, or engineers.
Jerry, refute and substantiate or you're simply posturing and looking like a vicious moron.
Bman, you wouldn't have high school dropouts if we had followed the scandinavian schooling systems two decades ago. Actually, the best programmers tend to be those who started very young and didn't care about other subjects in high school. the best hackers in the world never graduated college (or graduated MIT/Cambridge which find the best and enroll them with/without a high school transcript). you're right on one thing though, manufacturing isn't coming back, not unless China was suddenly cut off from the rest of the world again (that would be a great day).
And you believed Gallop per the presidential election?