First Thoughts: The endgame

With three weeks to go to avoid the fiscal cliff, President Barack Obama will travel to a Detroit auto plan and attempt to sell his plan to raise taxes on the top two percent of Americans.

The “fiscal cliff” end game… If there’s going to be a deal, Obama, Boehner, and Congress need to start the heavy lifting ASAP… Kristol vs. the Wall Street Journal on caving on the tax rates… Motoring! Obama delivers remarks at 2:00 pm ET at a Detroit Diesel plant in Redford, MI… And in Michigan, the president will set foot in the state featuring the nation’s latest labor battle… The hits keep on coming for Susan Rice… The upcoming immigration push… Hillary and 2016… And meet Markwayne Mullen.

*** The end game: We’ve told you that the last couple of weeks in Washington’s fiscal debate have mostly been about P.R. and posturing. Like a student in college or a reporter working in the news business, the real work in Congress typically doesn’t happen until there’s a real deadline that’s rapidly approaching. Well, we’ve now entered that deadline phase in the negotiations between President Obama and House Speaker John Boehner. If the plan is to get something passed by Friday, Dec. 21 (right before the Christmas holiday), then the legislation has to be written by Dec. 18. And that means that Obama and Boehner must reach an agreement by Dec. 14-15, if there’s going to be a deal. So the time for posturing and P.R. is over. This week, we’ve reached the phase where both sides will begin rolling up their sleeves to do the heavy negotiating. Both Obama and Boehner know this, which is why they did meet behind closed doors yesterday. The question now is: Will there be a BIG deal that includes serious entitlement hits in addition to major tax reform? Or will it be JUST taxes and a punt until the debt ceiling? There’s not much of an “in between” at this point.

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Speaker of the House John Boehner, R-Ohio, talks with reporters outside his office in the Capitol Dec. 7, 2012 in Washington, DC.

*** Kristol vs. the Wall Street Journal: In addition to yesterday’s news that the president and the speaker met, Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN) became the latest GOP lawmaker to suggest that Republicans acquiesce on raising tax rates on the wealthy to get entitlement cuts. And that’s a stance the Wall Street Journal’s editorial page today criticizes. “So it's a shame that Republicans are playing into Mr. Obama's hands, negotiating in public among themselves, prematurely giving up on the tax issue and undermining House Speaker John Boehner in the process. Mr. Obama isn't going to blink on the budget if he thinks Republicans are going to blink first, and so far the emerging GOP position seems to be to surrender on taxes first and hope Mr. Obama will have mercy on them later on entitlements.” But the Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol hits back at the Journal. “Most Republicans will go along soon after January 1 with what will now be the Democrats' tax cutting agenda. If the House Republicans now follow the Wall Street Journal editors over the cliff, the only effect, I'm afraid, will be to turn a manageable tactical retreat in December into a panicked strategic rout in January.” There is good news for Boehner in all of this: The lack of consensus among conservatives gives Boehner more running room to cut the deal he thinks is best, rather than over-worrying about specific conservative constituencies. Remember, the House GOP leadership won’t say it publicly, but they’ve signaled privately that under the RIGHT circumstance, they’d go to the floor of the House with less than a majority of the majority.

Former Michigan Republican Governor John Engler, who is the president of the business roundtable, joins The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd to talk about President Barack Obama's trip the Michigan, the fiscal cliff, and Michigan's 'right to work' law.

*** Motoring! Your White House fiscal-cliff photo-op of the day takes place in Michigan, where the president delivers remarks at a Daimler Detroit Diesel plant at 2:00 pm ET in Redford. Per the Detroit Free Press, Daimler, which owns Detroit Diesel, is announcing “a new investment to expand U.S. production and jobs... The White House said the investment is expected to be $100 million or more and, with it, Daimler Trucks North America will become the first heavy-duty vehicle equipment manufacturer on the continent to build a fully integrated powertrain from on production facility.” So today’s even will be a mixture of the fiscal cliff and this Daimler news.

*** Michigan’s labor battle: Yet when Obama visits Michigan, he’ll be setting foot in the state featuring the nation’s latest labor battle. “With Michigan lawmakers poised Tuesday to give final passage of right-to-work legislation, unions and their supporters plan to mass outside the Capitol that day as part of a last-ditch bid to derail the fast-moving campaign to limit labor's power,” the Detroit News says. “If lawmakers reconcile the bills and pass a final version Tuesday — as expected — Gov. Rick Snyder has said he will sign it, making Michigan the 24th right-to-work state and dealing a major blow to organized labor in one of its traditional strongholds.” Out of all the new Republican governors who were elected in 2010, Michigan’s Rick Snyder was always viewed as the least ideological of the bunch. So when Scott Walker in Wisconsin, John Kasich in Ohio, or Rick Scott in Florida were pursuing controversial changes and legislation and confronting the labor movement, Snyder -- who calls himself “one tough nerd” -- stayed away from the ideological wars and focused on the economy. In fact, he even appeared to support Obama’s auto bailout. But now the Michigan governor finds himself knee deep in the same kind of controversy we saw in Wisconsin and Ohio. By the way, while we do expect Snyder to greet the president at the airport, don’t expect to see Snyder with the president at the Chrysler event because it’s taking place at a UAW facility.

*** Hits keep coming for Rice: It’s no longer Benghazi, or even the Keystone XL Pipeline. Critics of Susan Rice are now pointing to the Obama administration’s failure to intervene in the atrocities in the Democratic Republic of Congo. The New York Times: “Specifically, these critics — who include officials of human rights organizations and United Nations diplomats — say the administration has not put enough pressure on Rwanda’s president, Paul Kagame, to end his support for the rebel movement whose recent capture of the strategic city of Goma in Congo set off a national crisis in a country that has already lost more than three million people in more than a decade of fighting. Rwanda’s support is seen as vital to the rebel group, known as M23.” And the Times reports that Rice has been viewed as shielding Kagame. And then there’s a New York Times op-ed from journalist Salem Solomon, who accuses Rice of showing “a surprising and unsettling sympathy for Africa’s despots.” This is the problem for Rice as long as President Obama doesn’t officially appoint her (or John Kerry) to fill the secretary of state position: She’s dangling like a piñata for critics to whack, without an official campaign to defend her. But with the fiscal cliff taking up more and more time and this secretary of state issue becoming such a headache for the administration, there’s a very real chance the president doesn’t announce any new cabinet members until AFTER the new year.

*** The upcoming immigration push: Over the weekend, the Los Angeles Times noted that the Obama White House is preparing for a big push on comprehensive immigration reform after the “fiscal cliff” negotiations end. “Senior White House advisors plan to launch a social media blitz in January, and expect to tap the same organizations and unions that helped get a record number of Latino voters to reelect the president. Cabinet secretaries are preparing to make the case for how changes in immigration laws could benefit businesses, education, healthcare and public safety. Congressional committees could hold hearings on immigration legislation as soon as late January or early February.” More: “Democratic strategists believe there is only a narrow window at the beginning of the year to get an initiative launched in Congress, before lawmakers begin to turn their attention to the next election cycle and are less likely to take a risky vote on a controversial bill.”

*** Hillary and 2016: On Sunday, the New York Times ran a “Hillary 2016” story, and we all should prepare for these kind of stories once a month until she decides to run (or not) for president. “Right now, aides and friends say, Hillary Rodham Clinton’s plan looks like this: exit the State Department shortly after Inauguration Day and then seclude herself to rest and reflect on what she wants to do for the next few years. Those who have invited her for 2013 engagements have been told not to even ask again until April or May.” The Times does make this important point: If she does want to keep the presidential door open, her options are limited. “The more serious she is about 2016, the less she can do — no frank, seen-it-all memoir; no clients, commissions or controversial positions that could prove problematic. She will be under heavy scrutiny even by Clinton standards, discovering what it means to be a supposedly private citizen in the age of Twitter. With the election four years away — a political eon — she will have to tend and protect her popularity, and she may find herself in a cushy kind of limbo, unable to make many decisions about her life until she makes the big one about another White House try.”

*** Meet Markwayne Mullin: NBC’s Carrie Dann has profiled 10 new members to watch in the next Congress. Today’s profile: Markwayne Mullen. When his father's illness forced Mullin to quit college and take over the family plumbing business, the 20-year-old and his wife turned a flailing enterprise into a small eastern Oklahoma empire. Mullin, now 35, won the House seat vacated by retiring Rep. Dan Boren, running under the banner "A rancher. A businessman. Not a politician!" The Tulsa native -- a social conservative who vehemently opposes "amnesty" proposals -- has promised to take a no-frills attitude to the halls of Congress. Casually dressed on election night, he joked with supporters that he defied his campaign staff's request that he wear a suit to deliver his victory speech. "They got me this far, and boots are going to take me all the way there and bring me all the way back" from Washington, he said.

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Here is how to put the pressure on to reach a deal...Get the governors involved. If 17 governors threaten to boycott the electoral college vote, they don't have a quorum. With no quorum, the house of reps then vote for president.

    Reply#239 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:03 PM EST

    Sorry, the government doesn't work like that. There is a little thing called the Constitution that prevents it.

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    #239.1 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:05 PM EST

    The constitution requires 2/3 participate, without the 2/3 the congress makes the vote.

      #239.2 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:07 PM EST

      RICK:

      I'm kinda dumb....explain to me how not confirming the election by the college would help ANYTHING?

      • 1 vote
      #239.3 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:11 PM EST

      Rick your an idiot. If that were to happen the Supreme Court would pick the president.

      • 2 votes
      #239.4 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:11 PM EST

      I didn't make the electoral college rules, but thats a fact. Boycott the vote. Let Obama know he isn't King. It's not my fault you people think that you actually vote for the president. You don't. You vote for the people who vote for president.

      • 1 vote
      #239.5 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:15 PM EST

      State legislatures, not governors, decide the election rules for each state.

      • 1 vote
      #239.6 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:15 PM EST

      Rick your an idiot.

      I love irony.

      • 1 vote
      #239.7 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:17 PM EST

      I find it interesting that no matter how many ways you point out someone is wrong, that they feel they have a mandate from heaven and are right. You lost. Get over it. Move on.

        #239.8 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:23 PM EST

        Rick, Obama isn't "king". He is the President. get over the fact that you got your @ss handed to you.

          #239.9 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:24 PM EST

          I can't believe how little people know about the election process.

            #239.10 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:25 PM EST

            RICK,

            I still wanna know how you think that would help things?

            I just looked it up: Congress decides after Electoral College tie or lack of majority, and if I read it right. House picks the president and Senate picks the vice-president.

            And it gets hairy if congress can't decide.

              #239.11 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:27 PM EST
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              Interesting how all the articles that quote Bohner, say tings like "no deal in sight", and Obama saying "we'll get there" (i.e., negative vs positive messages).

              I say cancel Christmas recess for all of the congress people including Bohner & Obama until a deal is reached. No pay, no benefits, no vacation -- DO YOU JOBS and GET IT DONE!

              • 4 votes
              Reply#240 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:06 PM EST

              SUZQ:

              Let's go one step further. Sequestration is what they call what is coming...I say use it to avoid it.

              Let's put them all (congress and president) into a 2000sq.ft. room with 2 toilets, and only bread and water. Just like a sequestered jury, but not as smart.

              I would bet on a deal in 48 hours or less.

              • 1 vote
              #240.1 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:15 PM EST

              I agree! You dont get Christmas until we DO......lol

              • 1 vote
              #240.2 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:16 PM EST

              Tom -

              I agree - sequestration is perfect! (No more 4-day work weeks either.)

                #240.3 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:32 PM EST
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                Why, they are all seceding.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#241 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:06 PM EST

                Suzq No nap time either.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#242 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:09 PM EST

                Another Obama debacle! A123 249 million borrowed from china, for stimulus. It failed to succeed declaring bankruptcy, china buys it back and we still have to payback china for stimulus money? This administration is moronic!

                America is for the very rich, very poor and public workers the rest of us are screwed.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#243 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:09 PM EST

                You think worse than the last?

                • 1 vote
                #243.1 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:12 PM EST

                Congress, not the President, decides how much money will be spent, and how much of that will be tax dollars. The difference must be borrowed. The President and Treasury have no choice -- they are REQUIRED to carry out the taxation and spending bills enacted by Congress.

                • 5 votes
                #243.2 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:13 PM EST

                Why don't you become very poor? Then you would have it better. You can do it!

                • 1 vote
                #243.3 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:14 PM EST

                Thanks for some reason Invisible!

                Lisa and her friends, think the POTUS has a lot more power and control than he really does! Remember, he's NOT out there managing embassy staff, printing money at the Treasury etc.

                  #243.4 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:22 PM EST

                  No, Suzq …Don't assume I have friends. I guess Bush had no control either… ? What more do you want from us? You will soon have it all…. Than who will you blame?

                    #243.5 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:29 PM EST
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                    They have to leave their blankeys home.

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                    Reply#244 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:10 PM EST

                    No information on Speaker Boehner's discussions with the President have been released; therefore, I shall have no comment.

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#245 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:11 PM EST

                    We will have to tickle them to get it out of them.

                      Reply#246 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:13 PM EST

                      any body here think the rich will pay a higher rate, they don't pay the 30% they're suppose to now. How many of us can get our tax rate down to 13% or less?

                      the only ones going to get hit here are the middle class. all you see on TV is a big show so everyone thinks maybe it will all work out. it woun't BECAUSE the real issue is SPENDING. and i don't mean SS and Medicare. those programs have been funded by us (middle class). i do think they should be looked at to plan for the future.

                      this goverment spend so much they can't even control it anymore. so much money is waisted they don't know where to start. just like we've all had to do, cut out ALL unnecessary spending, then look at every thing else very closely. with spending we need to also look at tax reform that allow millionaire to pay no taxes or not there fare share. the wealthy use the same amount of government benefits the middle class do (roads ,protection, etc..) if taxes are based on a percentage of income then why give the rich special treatment?

                      some say that's never going to work, but if done correctly and with the intention to reduce the dept it will. then we also need to PUNISH ANY COMPANY THAT SENT JOBS OVERSEAS. THAT JUST GREED and ANTI AMERICAN. I understand global markets but when when we hurt Americans then it's wrong. it's one thing to go overseas because you can't build enough here but to do it for greed it's wrong. For an American company to build some thing overseas and ship it back here to sell to Americans is wrong.

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#247 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:14 PM EST

                      It doesn't look like either the Republicans or Democrats want a deal to go thru. Both sides seem to want to go back to the Clinton tax rates for all. This also means unemployment will go back to the 26 week max and a lot of people will be forced to go on welfare or find multiple jobs to make ends meet.

                        Reply#248 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:14 PM EST

                        I don't know where you get your information. Obama wants to reinstate the pre-Bush tax rates for the wealthy.

                        • 1 vote
                        #248.1 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:16 PM EST

                        I don't know where you get your information Barry does not want a deal so pre-Bush rates will be reinstated on all so he can redistribute more to minorities and illegals.

                        • 2 votes
                        #248.2 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:25 PM EST

                        Windy -

                        Then why does he keep changing what he wants to do? First it's $250,000/year, now it's$200,000/year. It was $800 billion in increased taxes, now it's $1.6 trillion AND more spending with no way to pay for it.

                        Can't he make up his mind?

                        • 1 vote
                        #248.3 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:27 PM EST

                        obama is an ass....taxing the rich more won't accomplish a damn thing.....except for dividing the american people....

                          #248.4 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:48 PM EST
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                          • It was once said (I don't know by who) "The needs of many, outweigh the wants of a few" Isn't that what this is all about? The Republicans in Congress (not all) are trying to protect 2% at the expense of 98%.. whats the deal? if the voters agreed, by virtue of the re-election of The President, to RAISE taxes on the wealthiest 2%, why did they not hear the voters? why would this minority (2%) have more influence on thier votes in Congress, than the voters did last month.
                          • Future political contributions? Its the only reason I can think of..
                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#249 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:16 PM EST

                          Members of Congress, Republicans in particular, are concerned about facing their party's voters in the next primary election, which is only a year and a half away. Therefore, it will take a coalition of moderate Republicans and Democrats in the House to get a deal through.

                          • 3 votes
                          #249.1 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:17 PM EST

                          The Irony is .........the Rich will not MISS IT........beleive that!

                            #249.2 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:18 PM EST
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                            The only treasonous people I see are the thieves who are voting themselves bread and circuses out of the country's checkbook.

                            I see the democrats as the traitorous individuals who are doing that.

                            Someone has to be the adult and take away the credit card. The bill is due and the card is entirely tapped out.

                            At least the republicans - TEA party in particular - are behaving like adults.

                            It's too bad that Obama is acting like the spoiled brat that he is. He and the democrats need to grow up and face the music.

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#250 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:18 PM EST

                            Tammy please.............! Good try but thats JUST the Worse I have heard thus far.

                            The Democrats need to grow up? Thats why the American people put ONE in the Presidents Seat right.........by POPULAR and ELECTORAL vote........!

                            • 5 votes
                            #250.1 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:20 PM EST

                            The post was actually in response to "mr.47%' on the first page. Evidently it didn't post correctly.

                            ron - Evidently you have a guilty conscience. Perhaps you should do your own research instead of believing the liberal propaganda. Use the brain you were given.

                            • 1 vote
                            #250.2 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:23 PM EST

                            Tammy, you lost. Get over it. Move on. Something the GOP can't seem to do.

                              #250.3 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:26 PM EST

                              LOL. Tea Party=adults. Puh-lease. That is the funniest thing I have read today!

                              • 1 vote
                              #250.4 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:28 PM EST

                              cat -

                              Another guilty conscience? Or are you one of the freeloaders that is afraid that the gravy train is going to stop?

                              • 1 vote
                              #250.5 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:29 PM EST

                              Thank you Tammy for evidently not knowing what you are doing. I will remember that when I post on the next page.

                              Tammy- my conscience is guilty. I'm guilty of reading your propaganda and evidently not being MR-47 When I find MR 47, I will tell him to pour Tammy a new cup of tea because the sutff she is serving needs a Twist.

                              • 1 vote
                              #250.6 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:36 PM EST

                              What is scary is that Tammy actually means it. Hard to believe that anyone thinks like that.

                              • 1 vote
                              #250.7 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:48 PM EST

                              Irony: Tammy complaining about free loaders but hates Obamacare that makes everyone actually pay for their healthcare instead of passing it on to people like us who pay their bills.

                              • 1 vote
                              #250.8 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:50 PM EST
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                              I think Mr. Obama and Mr. Boehner are scamming us. Everytime I see a picture of them together they are smiling and acting like friends.......

                              If it were me. We would both walk out of a meeting with black eyes and bloody noses, unless we made a deal.

                              :)

                                Reply#251 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:18 PM EST

                                have to look good for the photo ops.

                                  #251.1 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:25 PM EST

                                  They're not Pacquiao and Marquez...

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #251.2 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:25 PM EST
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                                  Over 1 miilion+ NEW FOOD STAMP RECIPIENTS!! Just this month. Oh...how is the O/bummer plan working out for you?

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#252 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:19 PM EST

                                  Blame your house of no representitives. They fillibustered every jobs bill.

                                  • 5 votes
                                  #252.1 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:22 PM EST

                                  Urban Roman

                                  Where on earth did you come up with "over 1 miilion+ NEW FOOD STAMP RECIPIENTS!! Just this month."

                                    #252.2 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:25 PM EST

                                    If Federal unemployment insurance benefits for long-term unemployed aren't extended beyond December 31, there will be many more food stamp recipients. It will be the fault of the Republicans.

                                    • 4 votes
                                    #252.3 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:26 PM EST
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                                    Hey Windy, I thought I was going to have to go to work today. Good thing my welfare check came early, now I can make another payment on my Hummer and iphone.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#253 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:20 PM EST
                                    Comment author avatarKC EddieExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                    Will the Butcher of Benghazi come up with a budget in the next 4 years ? LMFAO

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#254 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:20 PM EST

                                    Do you know who is supposed to come up with a budget?

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #254.1 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:22 PM EST

                                    Do you know how many budgets have been submitted and not passed for the last four years by dumbocrats?

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #254.2 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:25 PM EST

                                    Let me guess ? It must be the Community Activist Department. If not, it must be the CIA. When in doubt? LMFAO

                                      #254.3 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:27 PM EST

                                      i doubt it...obama is an ass...

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #254.4 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:28 PM EST

                                      I see a lot of you fail civics in school.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #254.5 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:34 PM EST

                                      President submits budget, Congress decides spending....

                                      Shouldn't we remind them they haven't been doing so good lately.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #254.6 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:36 PM EST

                                      Oh now I know ! Old Faithful ! Bush did it ! LMFAO

                                        #254.7 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:37 PM EST

                                        Let me see, KansasCity Eddie, Urban Roman and finally the great paddywhack chime in - FAUXsnuz at it's finest. Red state, teabaggers all.

                                        Most intelligent people when reading words like Butcher of Benghazi, dumbocrats -stop reading! Paddywhack's been blocked for months!

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #254.8 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:41 PM EST

                                        yea suzq....another delusional lib you are...

                                          #254.9 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:49 PM EST

                                          Paddywhack's been blocked for months!

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #254.10 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:03 PM EST
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                                          Congress wants to go home for Christmas and they really will look bad if they go home without making a deal.

                                            Reply#255 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:23 PM EST

                                            Not if they have presents! LOL

                                              #255.1 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:25 PM EST
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                                              The butcher of the world trade center came up with one.

                                              • 2 votes
                                              Reply#256 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:23 PM EST

                                              How long before the 47% realizes they were used?

                                              • 2 votes
                                              Reply#257 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:24 PM EST

                                              When the last piece of TP is flushed from the house!

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #257.1 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:26 PM EST

                                              By whom?

                                                #257.2 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:26 PM EST

                                                they are stupid and obama played them for fools..........

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #257.3 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:27 PM EST
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                                                All meetings of any kind that our government has should be open, we have an open meetings law here in Alabama, we need it in the Federal Government. No one knows what they do or say when they are in these meetings, they should be open to the public and televised so we know how they are selling us down the creek. They do not care about any American, only themselves and how much money they can accumulate while in office. OBAMA is a socialist and he is taking us right down the road to communism. You need to read some of the articles wrote by Katherine Wellerman, she was a concentration camp survivor and she tells just how they take over. WE have people voting that do not have the intelligence to vote nor can they speak the language, they should have tests to prove you are intelligent enough to vote. Get these people off welfare and foodstamps and ebit cards then they will quite having all these kids by 15 different men and live of the TAXPAYERS. This is one area no one wants to confront because they fear no votes from these people. Our government should be for the TAXPAYER not anyone else, if you don't pay taxes you don't vote.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                Reply#258 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:25 PM EST

                                                Thats funny its beginingg to look like an oligarchy nation to me. You know where the rich own every thing privatize everything and take away the middle class. Bananas for everyone.

                                                  #258.1 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:30 PM EST

                                                  There would be rioting if we did that in Federal Government. Maybe you are a bit more civilized in Alabama (thanks for your Utility guys after Sandy) but the Federal Government must put on their sickening sweet smiles when they are being photographed. If we really say what was going on, it would be chaos.

                                                    #258.2 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:32 PM EST
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                                                    Overcrowding due to overpopulation, rampant crime in urban areas, prison systems at all time capacity... and the politicians and media are still doing an excellent job of controlling the majority of this nation with "cliffs", "deadlines" and "endgames". Whatever color/race/gender you are, you need to face the fact that people who run this nation and the world, want nothing but a world of consumers. No matter how you voted - you are a consumer.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    Reply#259 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:27 PM EST

                                                    obama is an ass...he led us to this cliff so let's all get behind the chosen one and jump off after him!....how in the hell did this ass get re-elected?.........bad times in america....

                                                    • 3 votes
                                                    Reply#260 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:27 PM EST

                                                    You lost. Get over it. Move on.

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #260.1 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:29 PM EST

                                                    Most voters aren't stupid like you.

                                                    • 3 votes
                                                    #260.2 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:30 PM EST

                                                    Inform us, "Mcpaddy", tell us exactly how the President has led us to this cliff. Did it happen last year when he offered a package of massive spending cuts that the Republicans turned down because it included some increased taxes?

                                                    • 4 votes
                                                    #260.3 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:30 PM EST

                                                    i didn't lose...our nation lost........no moving on......obama must be stopped and obstructed at every turn......

                                                    • 4 votes
                                                    #260.4 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:31 PM EST

                                                    no more tax increases.....no taxation without representation......if you wanna pay more taxes, do it!...otherwise eff off!!!!

                                                    • 3 votes
                                                    #260.5 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:32 PM EST

                                                    mcpaddywack, people like you are the reason we are in this mess. You lost. Get over it.

                                                    • 3 votes
                                                    #260.6 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:34 PM EST

                                                    cat -

                                                    Grow up and try not to be childish.

                                                    Obama won the Presidential election with less difference in the voting than he had in 2008. The republicans, by and large, returned to the House - who controls the purse strings.

                                                    It seems that most people actually want the excessive spending stopped.

                                                    You lost the House! Get over it.

                                                      #260.7 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:35 PM EST

                                                      NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE.....

                                                      The repubs LOST 8 seats in the House of Reps...

                                                      Even the Republican leadership is extremely concerned that if sequestration occurs, that could become an avalanche in 1014.

                                                      Read up on what the GOP leadership is saying....Mr. Boehner and company may not be so significant soon.

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                                                      #260.8 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:48 PM EST

                                                      In the elections for the House of Representatives, the total number of votes for Democratic candidates exceeded the total number of votes for Republican candidates. However, due to gerrymandering by Red state legislatures, the Republicans still won a (smaller) majority of seats.

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                                                      #260.9 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:35 PM EST
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                                                      A Chinese group agreed to buy 80.1 percent of American International Group Inc. (AIG)'s plane-leasing unit for $4.23 billion in the nation's largest acquisition of a U.S. company.

                                                      The International Lease Finance Corp. acquirers, led by New China Trust Co. Chairman Weng Xianding, have an option to buy another 9.9 percent, New York-based AIG said today in a statement. The transaction, which values ILFC at $5.3 billion, passes China Investment Corp.'s $3 billion purchase of a stake in Blackstone Group LP (BX) in 2007 as the biggest Chinese-U.S. deal.

                                                      A Chinese car parts maker has won the auction for bankrupt US battery maker A123 Systems, in a further success in international dealmaking for Chinese groups.

                                                      Wanxiang Group bid about $257m to win the auction for the battery maker, which supplies electric cars. The sale still requires the approval of the Delaware court where A123 filed for bankruptcy.

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                                                      Reply#261 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:29 PM EST

                                                      I thought by now all of those medicare card carrying teabaggers would have turned in their cards and gone out into the free market for their healthcare...you know they were concerned about passing their bills on to their kids and grandkids and all...and no they most certainly did not pay for their medicare...not in two lifetimes

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                                                      Reply#262 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:30 PM EST

                                                      Rick, You have way too much free time on your hands. Maybe get a hobby.

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                                                      #262.1 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:34 PM EST

                                                      Rick. Even better get a job and stop freeloading.

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                                                      #262.2 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:39 PM EST
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                                                      Both "sides" will lose if we do not reduce the deficit. Obama's priority is to increase taxes just for the sake of increasing taxes (redistribution class warfare.) Boehner's prority is to not increase taxes for the sake of not increasing taxes (deductions loop holes.) The priority should be the deficit...we owe this much, therefore we will drastically cut back spending and increase taxes so that in x amount of years we will be free and clear. It will hurt less now than later.

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                                                      Reply#263 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:30 PM EST

                                                      We need to reduce the debt as well, but I don't see how that can happen as long as Obama and the other big spenders of both parties are still there.

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                                                      #263.1 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:38 PM EST

                                                      Tammy, Obama has increased spending by less than 8% since 2009. Bush increased spendning by more than 60% in his 8 years.

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                                                      #263.2 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:45 PM EST

                                                      It's hard for me to believe that people fall for this smoke and mirrors stuff...nothing to see here.

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                                                      #263.3 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:48 PM EST

                                                      nobody care who did what when. is it a competition of who sucks more? they both suck, and one of them is still in office with another 4 years to do more damage. what we care about is who is going to fix it now.

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                                                      #263.4 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:49 PM EST

                                                      Golfsleft: Percentages are great but dollars show the truth:

                                                      Federal Spending by year

                                                      Total Dollars Spent in

                                                      Trillions

                                                      2002 – 2.0

                                                      2003 – 2.1

                                                      2004 – 2.2

                                                      2005 – 2.7

                                                      2006 – 2.6

                                                      2007 – 2.7

                                                      2008 - 2.9

                                                      2009 – 3.5

                                                      2010 – 3.4

                                                      2011 – 3.6

                                                      2012 – 3.7

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                                                      #263.5 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:55 PM EST
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