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Subscribe to RSSWith three weeks to go to avoid the fiscal cliff, President Barack Obama will travel to a Detroit auto plan and attempt to sell his plan to raise taxes on the top two percent of Americans.
The “fiscal cliff” end game… If there’s going to be a deal, Obama, Boehner, and Congress need to start the heavy lifting ASAP… Kristol vs. the Wall Street Journal on caving on the tax rates… Motoring! Obama delivers remarks at 2:00 pm ET at a Detroit Diesel plant in Redford, MI… And in Michigan, the president will set foot in the state featuring the nation’s latest labor battle… The hits keep on coming for Susan Rice… The upcoming immigration push… Hillary and 2016… And meet Markwayne Mullen.
*** The end game: We’ve told you that the last couple of weeks in Washington’s fiscal debate have mostly been about P.R. and posturing. Like a student in college or a reporter working in the news business, the real work in Congress typically doesn’t happen until there’s a real deadline that’s rapidly approaching. Well, we’ve now entered that deadline phase in the negotiations between President Obama and House Speaker John Boehner. If the plan is to get something passed by Friday, Dec. 21 (right before the Christmas holiday), then the legislation has to be written by Dec. 18. And that means that Obama and Boehner must reach an agreement by Dec. 14-15, if there’s going to be a deal. So the time for posturing and P.R. is over. This week, we’ve reached the phase where both sides will begin rolling up their sleeves to do the heavy negotiating. Both Obama and Boehner know this, which is why they did meet behind closed doors yesterday. The question now is: Will there be a BIG deal that includes serious entitlement hits in addition to major tax reform? Or will it be JUST taxes and a punt until the debt ceiling? There’s not much of an “in between” at this point.
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Speaker of the House John Boehner, R-Ohio, talks with reporters outside his office in the Capitol Dec. 7, 2012 in Washington, DC.
*** Kristol vs. the Wall Street Journal: In addition to yesterday’s news that the president and the speaker met, Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN) became the latest GOP lawmaker to suggest that Republicans acquiesce on raising tax rates on the wealthy to get entitlement cuts. And that’s a stance the Wall Street Journal’s editorial page today criticizes. “So it's a shame that Republicans are playing into Mr. Obama's hands, negotiating in public among themselves, prematurely giving up on the tax issue and undermining House Speaker John Boehner in the process. Mr. Obama isn't going to blink on the budget if he thinks Republicans are going to blink first, and so far the emerging GOP position seems to be to surrender on taxes first and hope Mr. Obama will have mercy on them later on entitlements.” But the Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol hits back at the Journal. “Most Republicans will go along soon after January 1 with what will now be the Democrats' tax cutting agenda. If the House Republicans now follow the Wall Street Journal editors over the cliff, the only effect, I'm afraid, will be to turn a manageable tactical retreat in December into a panicked strategic rout in January.” There is good news for Boehner in all of this: The lack of consensus among conservatives gives Boehner more running room to cut the deal he thinks is best, rather than over-worrying about specific conservative constituencies. Remember, the House GOP leadership won’t say it publicly, but they’ve signaled privately that under the RIGHT circumstance, they’d go to the floor of the House with less than a majority of the majority.
Former Michigan Republican Governor John Engler, who is the president of the business roundtable, joins The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd to talk about President Barack Obama's trip the Michigan, the fiscal cliff, and Michigan's 'right to work' law.
*** Motoring! Your White House fiscal-cliff photo-op of the day takes place in Michigan, where the president delivers remarks at a Daimler Detroit Diesel plant at 2:00 pm ET in Redford. Per the Detroit Free Press, Daimler, which owns Detroit Diesel, is announcing “a new investment to expand U.S. production and jobs... The White House said the investment is expected to be $100 million or more and, with it, Daimler Trucks North America will become the first heavy-duty vehicle equipment manufacturer on the continent to build a fully integrated powertrain from on production facility.” So today’s even will be a mixture of the fiscal cliff and this Daimler news.
*** Michigan’s labor battle: Yet when Obama visits Michigan, he’ll be setting foot in the state featuring the nation’s latest labor battle. “With Michigan lawmakers poised Tuesday to give final passage of right-to-work legislation, unions and their supporters plan to mass outside the Capitol that day as part of a last-ditch bid to derail the fast-moving campaign to limit labor's power,” the Detroit News says. “If lawmakers reconcile the bills and pass a final version Tuesday — as expected — Gov. Rick Snyder has said he will sign it, making Michigan the 24th right-to-work state and dealing a major blow to organized labor in one of its traditional strongholds.” Out of all the new Republican governors who were elected in 2010, Michigan’s Rick Snyder was always viewed as the least ideological of the bunch. So when Scott Walker in Wisconsin, John Kasich in Ohio, or Rick Scott in Florida were pursuing controversial changes and legislation and confronting the labor movement, Snyder -- who calls himself “one tough nerd” -- stayed away from the ideological wars and focused on the economy. In fact, he even appeared to support Obama’s auto bailout. But now the Michigan governor finds himself knee deep in the same kind of controversy we saw in Wisconsin and Ohio. By the way, while we do expect Snyder to greet the president at the airport, don’t expect to see Snyder with the president at the Chrysler event because it’s taking place at a UAW facility.
*** Hits keep coming for Rice: It’s no longer Benghazi, or even the Keystone XL Pipeline. Critics of Susan Rice are now pointing to the Obama administration’s failure to intervene in the atrocities in the Democratic Republic of Congo. The New York Times: “Specifically, these critics — who include officials of human rights organizations and United Nations diplomats — say the administration has not put enough pressure on Rwanda’s president, Paul Kagame, to end his support for the rebel movement whose recent capture of the strategic city of Goma in Congo set off a national crisis in a country that has already lost more than three million people in more than a decade of fighting. Rwanda’s support is seen as vital to the rebel group, known as M23.” And the Times reports that Rice has been viewed as shielding Kagame. And then there’s a New York Times op-ed from journalist Salem Solomon, who accuses Rice of showing “a surprising and unsettling sympathy for Africa’s despots.” This is the problem for Rice as long as President Obama doesn’t officially appoint her (or John Kerry) to fill the secretary of state position: She’s dangling like a piñata for critics to whack, without an official campaign to defend her. But with the fiscal cliff taking up more and more time and this secretary of state issue becoming such a headache for the administration, there’s a very real chance the president doesn’t announce any new cabinet members until AFTER the new year.
*** The upcoming immigration push: Over the weekend, the Los Angeles Times noted that the Obama White House is preparing for a big push on comprehensive immigration reform after the “fiscal cliff” negotiations end. “Senior White House advisors plan to launch a social media blitz in January, and expect to tap the same organizations and unions that helped get a record number of Latino voters to reelect the president. Cabinet secretaries are preparing to make the case for how changes in immigration laws could benefit businesses, education, healthcare and public safety. Congressional committees could hold hearings on immigration legislation as soon as late January or early February.” More: “Democratic strategists believe there is only a narrow window at the beginning of the year to get an initiative launched in Congress, before lawmakers begin to turn their attention to the next election cycle and are less likely to take a risky vote on a controversial bill.”
*** Hillary and 2016: On Sunday, the New York Times ran a “Hillary 2016” story, and we all should prepare for these kind of stories once a month until she decides to run (or not) for president. “Right now, aides and friends say, Hillary Rodham Clinton’s plan looks like this: exit the State Department shortly after Inauguration Day and then seclude herself to rest and reflect on what she wants to do for the next few years. Those who have invited her for 2013 engagements have been told not to even ask again until April or May.” The Times does make this important point: If she does want to keep the presidential door open, her options are limited. “The more serious she is about 2016, the less she can do — no frank, seen-it-all memoir; no clients, commissions or controversial positions that could prove problematic. She will be under heavy scrutiny even by Clinton standards, discovering what it means to be a supposedly private citizen in the age of Twitter. With the election four years away — a political eon — she will have to tend and protect her popularity, and she may find herself in a cushy kind of limbo, unable to make many decisions about her life until she makes the big one about another White House try.”
*** Meet Markwayne Mullin: NBC’s Carrie Dann has profiled 10 new members to watch in the next Congress. Today’s profile: Markwayne Mullen. When his father's illness forced Mullin to quit college and take over the family plumbing business, the 20-year-old and his wife turned a flailing enterprise into a small eastern Oklahoma empire. Mullin, now 35, won the House seat vacated by retiring Rep. Dan Boren, running under the banner "A rancher. A businessman. Not a politician!" The Tulsa native -- a social conservative who vehemently opposes "amnesty" proposals -- has promised to take a no-frills attitude to the halls of Congress. Casually dressed on election night, he joked with supporters that he defied his campaign staff's request that he wear a suit to deliver his victory speech. "They got me this far, and boots are going to take me all the way there and bring me all the way back" from Washington, he said.
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I've noticed since they were enacted the the tax cuts given under President Bush are always referred to as the "Bush tax cuts for the rich" by all liberals/socialists. If that was and is true why will going off the "fiscal cliff" raise the taxes on all Americans. I mean, after all, they were just "tax cuts for the rich" weren't they?
Far from it. Not only did everyone enjoy lower rates, less people had to pay federal income taxes.
3thirty3 - No, everyone got a tax cut, but I'm sure you knew that. The problem is they grossly favored the rich.
You forget capital gains (which most middle class people don't have) went from 35% to 15%. So Romney got a 20% tax cut while you got something like 6%. And the rich, over the past 10 years have made a fortune on capital gains, Romney for example doubled his wealth, on nothing more than the change in tax rates.
I believe he ran just to keep those permanent.....think about it....$140 million dollar change in his wealth simply by changing capital gains... and he wasn't the only one that benefitted from this, the entire 2% did.
@ Blamo-3823159
"Closing so called loopholes is the same as raising rates. To a Democrat a child credit or mortgage interest is a loophole."
You got it! thats why the RepubliCONS put them on the table before they put up tax increases on the 2%.
The RepubliCONS do not have the Middle or Lower class in their priorty list, Let's make the change complete in 2014.
The GOP has become irrelevant
According to BLS data just posted for November 2012, the number of non-payroll farm jobs we have today, 133,852,000 is the same as it was in July 2005. Back then our total national debt was $7.9 trillion. Today our national debt is over $16.3 trillion, almost double. Back in 2005 our total federal spending was $2.47 trillion according to the White House Office of Management and Budget. Spending for 2012 is $3.80 trillion, $1.33 trillion or 54% higher than it was in 2005.
Anyone who believes that we can somehow solve our financial problems as a country with the same number of people working trying to support twice the debt load and 54% higher federal spending by taxing high income folks a little more is incompetent at math. There is no way to grow or tax our way out of the financial hole we have dug for ourselves. We must come to grips with reality and begin making deep cuts in federal government spending, to include entitlement programs.
Peter, just stop pretending the pubs have any interest in saving the country. Only the gullible like you believe that nonsense. Both parties are only interested in serving their rich donors. You'd be foolish to believe otherwise, which of course you are.
Always LOVE your country!! NEVER!!! Trust your government!! No matter which party is in charge????
Ever notice that there are a lot of Tailer parks in the southern states?
yes the most are in Florida and someone said they voted for that Obama dude- I see our point
good one. Mr. Ability and free lunch, check your stats on how close Florida was.
"Tailer" parks must be a north thing. Did you go to skool for an edgycaytsheon so you cud right on theeze here blogggs? Yer a smart feller.
Can I go to a tailor park and get my suit altered?
Obama hates Big Corporations but is now accepting their funds for his inaug. party- say it isn't so. It was broadcast on NBC- golly gee you mean he flip-flops? yes but dont tell the liberals they get all jelly-belly crazy when they hear these things- mums the word- ok they are good at not getting the truth- some guy said he is poisoning future generations w/massive debts- like toxic debt dude- yes- but dont tell the liberals-shh
I think we all know that the politicians will punt this ball like they always do. The rich will get richer, the poor poorer, the middle class will shrink, and our great nation will spiral into more debt as neither side will let earned benefits or military spending get cut.
Too bad, really.
Getting ready to write my congresspeople and senators and hope others do to. as you know u can email them through the government site. This bull of the budget and taxes and cuts is just that, bull. Look through the actual budget and see how many ridiculous programs are getting our money. First thing needing cutting is foreign aid.. Why are we paying people to hate us? Then there is the tons of grants for studies etc. that are just a big farce. Take out the big junk stuff in the budget and you dont have to worry about a cliff. So get to writing people let's flood the wasington elites email.
Don't cave to the lying, deceitful democrats. They passed the health care bill without reading it and taxes are coming with a vengeance. The socialist want to destroy this country and this president is the most unqualified man to ever consider running for president let alone being president. With the lies, and deceit continuing to go on with this white house and the press is astounding. No wonder the German people fell for the lies of hitler. History is a good teacher. Sixteen trillion in debt and climbing and this man in the white house called President Bush unpatriotic for his debt. Well, this man in the house is a liar and deceiver. Get real you dems, when you have taken the rich's so called wealth one time how are you going to pay your bills then. Oh, off the backs of the poor.
Ridiculous ramblings, but nice try!
Richard Blanche - You lost Get over it. Move on and get a job. there a lot of them out there now. Unlike if Mittens got in, we'd be at 20% unemployment as every job possible moved overseas.
Richard - You lost the election. Your opinions were totally discredited. The majority of us don't want to listen to your BS....either get with the program or find another country....this one doesn't agree with you or your polices.....
The only reason the GOP House did lose the majority of seats is because they were allowed to jerrymander the districts to favor GOP candidates...without that, it would have been a sweep.
So, take the loser mantra and live with it...you and everyone that thinks like you are losers..big L on your forehead.
mrability
All the wealth is in the blue state,all the poverty is in the red states as well asloweriq s fat people ect. Haha hehe hoho
Tax the hell out of the blue states. Actually, as usual, you miss the mark. The wealth is in a handfull of big cities.
SS does nothing to add to the deficit. the right just wants to privatize it for more wealth. If it was privatized like bush wanted, during the crash we would have 22 million more elderly living on the streets.
MRABILITYI remember you--Your derogatory remarks badmouthing the men and women serving in the Armed forces. You expressed as much vial slander toward them as you do everything else. You are a very disgusting, pathetic, looser aren't you--
GOP should accept the tax increase and then they'll be in a position to demand significant spending cuts from the democrats.
Always hold all accountable and throw them out when they fail,like the GOP tards.they failed long ago
If the Republicans want spending cuts, it's time for them to stand up and specify where and how much they propose to cut. It's not good enough to say "cut entitlements" or "reduce waste". It's time for them to step up and identify what and when and how much. The real problem is they don't have the balls to get specific.
@ Reality Man2 & the RepubliCONS in the lower or Middle class of society that belive this way.
"Just divide the country in half, Democrats in the north, Republicans in the south, and their money stays with their party. Democrats need the Republican money to pay for their waste, and would fall apart in dept. Republicans can then take over the remains and rebuild !"
Red vs. Blue, who really takes the federal governments money. We hear all the time about the liberal welfare states. Well here's the truth. For every dollar paid to the fed this is what the states get back: 9/10 is red states the real welfare queens are now known!
BLUE, District of Columbia $5.55
RED New Mexico $2.03
RED Mississippi $2.02
RED Alaska $1.84
RED Louisiana $1.78
RED West Virginia $1.76
RED North Dakota $1.68
RED Alabama $1.66
RED South Dakota $1.53
RED Kentucky $1.51
RED Virginia $1.51
RED Montana $1.47
BLUE Hawaii $1.44
BLUE Maine $1.41
RED Arkansas $1.41
RED Oklahoma $1.36
RED South Carolina $1.35
RED Missouri $1.32
BLUE Maryland $1.30
RED Tennessee $1.27
RED Idaho $1.21
RED Arizona $1.19
RED Kansas $1.12
RED Wyoming $1.11
RED Iowa $1.10
RED Nebraska $1.10
BLUE Vermont $1.08
RED North Carolina $1.08
BLUE Pennsylvania $1.07
RED Utah $1.07
RED Indiana $1.05
RED Ohio $1.05
RED Georgia $1.01
BLUE Rhode Island $1.00
RED Florida $0.97
RED Texas $0.94
BLUE Oregon $0.93
BLUE Michigan $0.92
BLUE Washington $0.88
BLUE Wisconsin $0.86
BLUE Massachusetts $0.82
RED Colorado $0.81
BLUE New York $0.79
BLUE California $0.78
BLUE Delaware $0.77
BLUE Illinois $0.75
BLUE Minnesota $0.72
BLUE New Hampshire $0.71
BLUE Connecticut $0.69
RED Nevada $0.65
BLUE New Jersey $0.61
So if as the latest census shows the blue states are carrying the load, that just leaves one question which one of you RepubliCONS is cashing in all those food stamps? you all complain about them, yet none of you admit to using them, and deride anybody that does, it begs the question why you say the things you do!
You didn't indicate what they pay in vs what they receive? You just put a number with no explination, and didn't list your source of information.
Example. Massachusetts... .82... Is that what they put in, or got back.. What is your source for this info?
This proves absolutely nothing - other than occupying space on this page that could have been used for more constructive information.
TruPatriot, You need to get a hobby, dude.
I read where California has 18 percent of US population but uses 30 percent of welfare budget- and are also underfunding union retirements- and will need a bailout for that- no wonder they voted for Obama-
How many military bases are there in the District of Colombia??? Federal spending includes much more than food stamps. The biggest ticket items are related to military spending in many of those states that get a lot of federal government dollars. Others, like Wyoming have huge national parks and a very small population compared to other states. The data means nothing.
So speaks the indoctrinated, my data important, your data bad. Corporate welfare good, people welfare bad. Right leaning propaganda good, everything else bad. Fair and balanced! Not so much.
Roger - what that means is that for every dollar Mass pays in to the federal govt, they recieve .82 cents back. Every one of those less than $1.00 pay in more than they recieve.. The RED states are the states getting all the govt assistance, and they are still last in education, health care, poverity....
I'm all for secession, can you imagine how much better we'd be if we weren't subsidizing the RED states that whine about it...
True Patriot your a true moron look at the debt the blue states are in.
The people of this country spend 5.50 for every 10 dollars of government services they receive. Something has got to give.
This tax the rich mantra runs the government for 1 day - assuming Obama gets every tax increase he wants. (1.6 Trillion over 10 years) Those who think it is the magic cure are fools who don't pay attention and don't know how to balance a check book.
Simply put, America doesn't make enough money to pay for our government and service our existing debt. If Washington doesn't get serious about spending cuts - real cuts - not some phony baloney 10 year down the road phantom savings, we're all in very deep trouble.
At least were Comfortably Numb.
I thought Obama was elected so we wouldn't have anymore problems- catch us as we fall Obama- you will need your saintly hands- who was that nation that just splatted like a bug on the freeway- he can mend us w/free Obamacare- ER doc said they have 2 month wait
MRABILITY you're a vet and I'm the Pope
Georgethe loser troll
I am a vet,now go,back to,your trailer
enough taxes already-how much of our money do they need. think about how much you pay to federal and local goverment. fed and state income tax. fica, property taxes,sales tax, tax on liquor and cigaretts, excise tax on tires, liscence plate and sticker fees, gasoline tax, hotel taxes, taxes on entertainment, parking and utilities not to mention tolls and other fees. how much money do the politicians need to take care of themselves and their campaign contributors. i dont care if you are a dem or rep we need term limits
CNBC article: China's economy will be No. 1 in next 20 years, study says
China has cheap slave labor. This will increase their bottom line. Republicans love cheap slave labor. They are pawns for big business. Their main goal is to increase the bottom line of Corporations. F u-c k the individual. They are only sheep for big business to use and send to slaughter.
Republicans are notorious for sending our good paying jobs overseas. Ask Romney.
The Republicans want to eliminate minimum wage. You know why, to force the American workers into cheap slave labor…..to increase the bottom line of big business.
As long as there is a Republican establishment, the China economy will flourish. Bet the farm on this.
The Republicans are continuing the protectionism towards Big Business by fighting like hell to keep tax cuts for the Rich and big businesses despite overwhelming support for tax increases.
But this is the sinister part. While protecting big business, they are willing to eliminate the safety net for you. Under the Paul Ryan plan, they want to eliminate Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. They don't give a d a m n about the individual.
The Republicans can go straight to h e l l!!
Most of our big company CEOs, like the ones at Apple and GE, are Democrats.
I call BS on that, make a list. Better yet, make a list of the ones that outsource to China the most.
I love how you rarely follow up on the responses to your propaganda. Why is that?
Really Peter, where have you been hiding all these months? No different than asleep at the wheel Bush during 9/11. Nowhere to be found. Should we have looked in kindergarten classes to find you?
Peter17 - The CEO at GE is a registered republican. Lifelong member in fact. The fact he's willing to work with this administration somehow has people like you think he's democrat...
But he's not. That's the problem with all of you, if you try and work for the good of all instead of owing total compliance with the GOP ticket you get ostersized......which is why the GOP will never win again.....they are becoming a 3rd world party.....and you are a poster boy for it.
The CEO at GE is a registered republican. Lifelong member in fact.
That's Peter17 for you, always full of
lieshimself.Hitler owned all the media just like the right wing does today. Hile Fox
Blame the FCC.
Shirley you're joking. FOX is in island in a sea of govt owned media. Not that you can trust any "news for profit" organization, but the media is by far an arm of the left.
Cite examples of "government owned media." Murdoch owns 4 out of 5 daily newspaper in NYC alone, along with Fox "News" channel, the role model of RNC propaganda.
I like the thought of Hilary in 2016. It would be nice to bitch slap the GOPigs again...........right after we do it in 2014, too! The fiscal cliff........bahh humbug..........Johnny Boner and Rover come over don't care except that they will look like bafoons to the populace if they do not come to their senses soon! What part of people's mandate did they not understand!!! Get in done Boner and Boys.
There was an update on 60 minutes last night about the story about our domestic terrorist Grover. Five freshman Congressional Republicans have refused to sign the pledge. There is hope yet.
Grover is a good thing. Whenever you need to prove that pubs cater to right wing extremists he's always there, which is one of many reasons pubs just hate reality.
True p.
Lmao. Great post
The other outrageous part to this whole thing is that the government shuts down for the holidays as of this Friday, 12/14. How utterly convenient. *shakes my head*
Please... The President and Republicans had this all worked out months ago, it was the Republicans who decided to bring the country to near collapse financially because they are afraid of giving the first black President credit for fixing major American problems like health care and the fact that poor people pay more taxes in a supposedly fair and free American than rich people do.
But conservatives have only themselves to blame with this and every other thing that pisses them off:
Young people are becoming less religious and that is because conservatives are focusing on all the hardhearted hatred of religion and not the good it can do or love it can bring.
Health care is getting fixed cause it's broken, it's not some gay or abortion conspiracy.
If conservatives want to pretend that two guys in Texas falling in love is biggest problem facing the Untied States of America in the year 2012 then so be it, the only one's apparently who don't know how insane conservatives are happen to be the conservatives themselves, thankfully the majority of Americans are not so crazy, as the election proved.
I quite frankly have not been very proud to be an American over the past decade, it was not our finest hour, this election resorted some of my faith in my country, this fiasco with conservatives trying to destroy America so that a few rich people can keep their taxes, the same taxes I have to pay every week, or force people live life by the rules of their religion, or deny tax paying Americans the right to get married just cause they are not of the same religion, is disgraceful. It reminds me why I was not proud to be an American for all those years.
The only thing that is -or ever has- stood in the way of Freedom are conservatives. They, like Hitler and Mussolini and every other despicable, evil human being who preaches the gospel of hatred only care about hurting and harming other people. Liberals are called evil by conservatives for good reason, only a lunatic would think a person trying to save the planet earth, whales, oceans, educate children and fix health care are bad people.
What's your point...? What does one have to do with the other? The media is delighting in the idea that they can continually say the ' cliff is near ' or reporting on other nonsensical things like ' the royal pregnancy' YET they still provide nothing that has substance. That is another way to derive hysteria amid the masses and cause more friction. Isn't it?
Again, tax the 2% and then what?
Letting the Bush tax cuts expire on people making over $250K will only net the govt $52B, whereas, letting the tax cuts expire on everyone will net $331B.
I say, let them all expire.
You are what is known as a "useful id10t". Why does every thing with libtards have to be about race? If you REALLY want to know which party is the party of racism, you should look up the history of the dempcrat party from the civil war FORWARD!, The party of slavery, KKK and tryed to block the civil rights act.
sonmanvb
and Amazing that the GOP has 'abandoned' any sense of morality since the 1960s. Like.. let's tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies, tell us who we can marry, what our religion should be, and our family values. Oh and let's not really forget "LEGITIMAE Rape"
Oh yes, the GOP is not about racial issues "publically, but they sure are afraid of miniorities, pregnant women, the 47%, gays/lesbians, non christian talibian forces etc...