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Subscribe to RSSIt’s not just Benghazi anymore.
One of the most controversial energy projects in the nation also has become a flash point in the drama surrounding who may become the next secretary of state – and it’s coming from the left instead of the right.
Back on Nov. 28, “OnEarth,” published by the Natural Resources Defense Council, dug into U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice’s financial disclosures and found that she and her husband have a stake in TransCanada, the company pushing for the Keystone XL Pipeline to be built.
NRDC officials say it's an important issue that must be discussed during the nomination process. But the timing of the report raises questions, as it is being surfaced by an environmental activist community that has previously given support to another potential secretary of state candidate – Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry.
NBC News' Mark Murray explains why the partisan divide over the potential nomination of U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice is intensifying.
The decision on whether to approve the pipeline goes through the State Department.
“If confirmed by the Senate, one of Rice’s first duties likely would be consideration, and potentially approval, of the controversial mega-project,” Scott Dodd at “OnEarth” wrote. “Rice's financial holdings could raise questions about her status as a neutral decision maker.”
Dodd noted that “Rice owns stock valued between $300,000 and $600,000 in TransCanada, the company seeking a federal permit to transport tar sands crude 1,700 miles to refineries on the Texas Gulf Coast, crossing fragile Midwest ecosystems and the largest freshwater aquifer in North America.”
Bill McKibben, an anti-pipeline activist, told the publication: “It’s really amazing that they’re considering someone for Secretary of State who has millions invested in these companies. The State Department has been rife with collusion with the Canadian pipeline builders, and it’s really distressing to have any sense that that might continue to go on.”
Susan Casey-Lefkowitz, the NRDC's director of international programs, sounded a less strident tone a day later: "What's most important is that she rid herself of her holdings in TransCanada and other tar sands-related companies, and we're confident she will do that ... What's most important is that we have a good, thorough review done.”
Danielle Droitsch, a senior attorney for the NRDC and director of the Canada Project, told First Read: “We think Ambassador Rice has the credentials to be secretary of state, but if she were nominated, and then appointed, these holdings would have to be addressed.”
She added that “high-level officials dealing with Keystone should not have any conflicts of interest.”
The likelihood is that, if nominated, Rice will have to divest herself of her TransCanada investment to avoid a conflict of interest.
Will new Obama appointments come this week? Is there a way to get both John Kerry and Susan Rice into the Obama cabinet? NBC News' Chuck Todd and Time's Joe Klein join the discussion.
The environmental group’s effort to shed light on Rice’s financial interest in TransCanada could be just an attempt, if Rice is nominated, to get a “thorough review” and make sure it has a staunch ally in trying to thwart the project, as Casey-Lefkowitz said.
But could it also be a signal that the NRDC prefers another candidate for the job – Kerry, the other of the final two candidates reportedly being considered for the post?
After all, environmental groups have strongly supported Kerry in the past and have a long working relationship with him. Like they would for most Democrats in a presidential election, for example, the NRDC and the League of Conservation Voters, among others, ran ads in the 2004 election boosting Kerry.
LCV even endorsed Kerry before the New Hampshire Democratic primary that year, although it has notably not spoken out about Rice.
Droitsch, however, would not address whom the NRDC prefers for the job.
“We’re trying to signal that the pipeline decision has to be conflict-free,” Droitsch said. “That would pertain to any potential nominee. The president has the prerogative to nominate the person he believes is best for the position.”
The Senate will then raise questions, however, she said. And “now is important to raise the issue ... We want to make sure that anyone who’s being considered would be free of those conflicts. That’s our primary interest right now.”
The NRDC, which has been very involved in efforts to block Keystone, is the environmental interest group most pressing the issue of Rice’s financials.
But others might not be as keen to see Kerry leave Capitol Hill. After all, consider that green groups already spent a lot of money trying to oust Republican Scott Brown from the Senate – and were successful.
But if Kerry becomes secretary of state (or even defense secretary), his seat would become vacant, raising the potential for a costly and competitive special election.
“Who cares if the U.N. ambassador has a TransCanada stock. Who cares if the head of the FDA has TransCanada stock,” said a Democratic strategist and ally of the administration who is a veteran of confirmation battles.
“If she [Rice] were to be nominated, she would go through a process by which we look for financials conflicts. Maybe this stock would be identified as something that posed a conflict, and she would sell," the strategist said. "But she hasn't gone through that process, because she's not a nominee to anything. If they want to say that if she is the nominee, she should sell the stock, that's fine. But you can't legitimately hit her for having it now. And that is likely why NRDC backed off and no other environmental groups have piled-on.”
What really is going on here likely has less to do with Rice and whether she should ascend to secretary of state, and more with the NRDC leveraging pressure on the president and the administration to make sure the pipeline is rejected again once it comes up for approval. And that could be soon.
The next step in that approval phase, in fact, could come as early as next week, Droitsch said. TransCanada has applied for a shortened pipeline in hopes of having that approved – something the NRDC strongly opposes. A Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement could be released by the State Department as early as next week, Droitsch said.
“It is critically important for there to be independent decision-makers, free of conflict of interest, who can take an independent view,” she said.
She then tied the administration’s decision on the pipeline to climate change, an issue that has regained prominence as a result of Hurricane Sandy. In the days following Sandy’s landfall, in fact, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg endorsed President Barack Obama for his leadership on climate change.
How Obama decides on the pipeline “signals where the U.S. is headed in terms of importing dirty fuels, inconsistent with an administration that is committed to fighting climate change,” Droitsch said.
“We’re confident President Obama understands the seriousness around the issues surrounding this pipeline. Approving it sends the wrong signal about our country’s commitment to climate change. Yes, he’s under a lot of pressure, but the public is very concerned about this. It’s not a decision I know he’ll view lightly.”
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Anyone who says anything negative about her must be racist or sexist.
Whats good for the Goose is good for the Gander.
Libtards whine day and night about corrupt Wall Street traders, why don't they start taking a look at the politicans and bureaucrats who seek to profit directly from the decisions they make in office.
Read the article, its people on the left bringing up her conflict of interest.
Repubs cant even seem to get an article straight without badmouthing liberals. Troll
When I have your wounded
Well it is ok...she has obuma on his back. She will sail through if he has to bend/break/change the Constitution.
I say give obuma everything he wants. Then when the country becomes a 3rd world country in the next two years, he will finally have to finally accept responsibility for something. But the left will of course still blame bush, Hoover, Jackson or Grant. msnbc will be the first to say it isn't his fault.
I wonder if she has paid her fair share of taxes???
that's the most stupid thing I've ever heard. What does our UN representative have any business speculating on energy projects in the country she represents. She's a hustler, just like the rest of those Chicago hustlers, Blow Jow A Vich, Ryan, Obama etc. Get the jail cells ready
Bob the medic...
Seriously, already playing the race and sexist card. She will make a terrible SOS...period. It has nothing to do with her race or sex. Furthermore, if you even know what our SOS does for our country, she should have never been thought of in the first place. I have read extensively on her "decisions" and her job performance in the UN and for the US and she is not the BEST candidate, heck, she is not even a good candidate for the job. The President needs to look elsewhere to make the best decision for this country and FAST. Honestly, I am tired of hearing about her already, and as the article has stated, she hasn't even been nominated.
Nay nay my friend, not a racist or a sexist. I just don't like her. She just repeats talking points that have been handed to her...a parrot. No doubt she has a mind of genuis, but we need an inquiring mind, one that seeks to ask questions...especially since General Powell was duped into repeating before the UN assembly that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. We don't need to shed more lives needlessly because someone didn't ask questions.
It does make a difference. Susan Rice does have a stake in this. It would be like Democrats telling Republicans to "do what I say and not what I do".
Oh wait, they already do that.
Sorry. Forgot the /sarc tag. I was pretending to be a Caucasian hating liberal.
FREEDOM FOR EVERYONE,
What or who are you talking too? I don't see anyone hear who has misinterpreted this article. Take your medicine and lay down, TROLL
she and her husband made an investment? oh the horror. just shows to go ya the left will eat their own if you dont completely agree with them!
Does the Teapot Dome, WY scandal of the 1920s ring a bell? It also had to do with oil.
Bottom Line, Ms Rice is a "politician", even though appointed, she is a political hack and not elected. "Politicians" never miss out on a chance to "make a buck". It being a conflict of interest in DOS, she would only be a parrot for the Administration and its desires. Oh yeah, "politicians" come in every sex, shape, color, form and political party. Sure hope that covers it all.
I am neither and I think she is a lying mouthpiece for Obama. Suck it.
John Kerry should have been kicked out of congress when he got caught cheating on his taxes by hiding a boat in another state. He only paid them after everyone made a big deal about it.
Hey liberals....John Kerry is a 1% cheating on his taxes...He is no different than a guy from Wall Street.
WHY ARE YOU NOT CALLING FOR HIS FIRING!!!
Solution is to get out of the UN we have been in on trumped up conflict after another since the The Gulf of Tonkin incident that ended up cost 58k American lives by drawing us into the Vietnam War. All the damn thing UN does is wage war. To set up puppet dictators and accumulate oil assets. There is a reason we never joined the League Nations. Look it up. Rice lied to the American people and blamed religious fanatics by promoting a video the administration knew would evoke religious hatred. I hope she ever works again. The CIA was illegally running guns to yet another war. They got hit with CIA supplied weapons. The President blamed religion intentionally to incite hatred. They are bombing people for oil.
.correction... never works again.
I would think that anyone defending her would be a racist for sure,
Either that or they really hate this once great country of ours and do not care about our future !
Funny how they can “connect the dots” on this issue, but not on her other failings…Tanzania, Libya?
Everybody wants her to be "crystal clear" in all her dealings. The Republicans right here have harsh words for her, but they were totally OK with MITT ROMNEY BEING A VULTURE CAPITALIST THAT WOULD NOT SHOW HIS TAX RETURNS
DO I Smell DOUBLE STANDARD??????
So now having stock in companies makes people guilty. What a load of BS. Women and minorities always have to prove themselves over and over that they are worthy, while white fat men that are unfaithful _like Pteraus- go unpunished. I do not hear anybody screaming that Petraeus should come clean with all his dealings, or any bad word from either the right or the left. How about those two carcasses — McCain and Lindsey Graham- that continue trashing everything and everybody that they can.
They belong in a nursing home.
Hypocrites
John Kerry? Are you F'ing kidding me?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phqOuEhg9yE
John Kerry Saves $500,000 By Docking 76-Foot Luxury Yacht Out Of State
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/23/john-kerry-saves-500000-b_n_656985.html
Come on liberals....just keep putting MORE crooks in office!!!
The only racists here are the ones who voted for the worst President in History again because he is black. If he were white he would have been Labeled as he should have been as worse than Carter and ran out of office. Instead we have the only person who can't cross a street without help as the figure head for our nation.
If and I mean If we survive this clowns next four years it will be a miracle. Any one he nominates should be turned down. His last Sec of State was no good and his next pick is even worse. He will appoint another Zar or some crud like that. What a mess you libs make.
Grasping at straws anyone? Sounds like some here are way too hooked on their party affiliation over just what is right and what is wrong.
I see no one here calling criticism of her racist or sexist. And, she has not been nominated yet, let alone confirmed. Obama is already on record for his stance on the pipeline, and you all were wanting to crucify him for it during the election cycle. It is the left that has brought this up. Conjecture on Bob Kerry is just as much conjecture as conjecture on Susan Rice.
That said, whatever the source of the concerns is from the left or right, they are legit. Unless a lot wealthier than any of us, 300k in stocks where she is involved in oversight is a pretty big incentive.
Fed Up is spot on.
We do not need Rice as Secretary of State nor do we need Kerry in that position. But we really do need the Keystone pipeline.
When 2016 arrives, the US will be a 3rd world country. Wake up liberals and stop being low information voters.
Everything conservatives say is pure nonsense and proves that they all live in a bubble. Rice will have to sell her investments in TransCanada should she be nominated for SOS. Since when does the opposing party get to select a nominee for SOS? Republicans have lost ther vulcan minds!
I see we have a story the hate filled rwnj's can sink their teeth in. And they certainly are. Too bad none of them read the article. Just saw the name Rice and Democrats and it's fire at will. Must suck to have all of that hate burning inside and not be able to do anything about it.
Given the Hubris and name calling, I see a lot of "so-called" Democratic and "Progressive" posters sounding a lot like brown-shirts, not Democrats....
Grow up!!!!!!
Amazing - this is not news - its well over a week old... What MSNBC had to see how Obama wanted to play this before they reported it?
Right! Because Dick Cheney was so HONEST!
PLEASE! You need to get out of your bubble!
Wow Irespond came up with one republican dog, now let's begin the list of Democrat Trash, scum, dog, filth, were do i begin. Obama, Obiden, Karry, Pelosi, Reid, Clinton's, Carter, my fingers are getting tired. Republicans out there, name some more tin hat democtrats that need a little jail time!!!!
I am a Republican. I think Hillary has done a good job and I think Kerry will as well. The problem in State is that Obama sets overall tone of State, and he done a poor job. Look at the Middle East. Hillary has had bad situations to deal with as will Kerry but the problem with State is the POTUS. Rice is more like the POTUS, too political and squishy. She is not a good candidate for State.
Nay nay my friend, not a racist or a sexist. I just don't like her. She just repeats talking points that have been handed to her...a parrot
Bet you take yours from Faux Spews and that is ok with you. Most people who have stocks in companies like Mitt the twit put thse stocks and investments into blind trusts or take themselves out of the loop if it comes up and appears to be a conflict of interest. So this is a non story just put here so the right wing trolls can exercise themselves like the stupid comment above. Rice is being hammered because they want Kerry to be named so they can have another shot at the Senate with Brown in Mass the defeated knucklehead. Much ado about nothing. Trouble is the President has never said he was going to appoint any one for the post and I am sure he will pay no attention to anyone but his advisors. Whomever it is they will be fillerbustered because the knuckle dragging right wingers in the Senate even fillerbuster their own bills....
IRESPOND-2315268,
You must have some of the most foolish posts here. The questions raised come from a liberal group, so it is safe to say they are not politically motivated. You immediately through in the buzz word "sex" into a response, while ignoring a valid question. Last but not least you put up the partisan shield of "look at them" as a defense.
Consider changing your name from IRESPOND to KNEEJERK.
breadex
You are absolutely correct that the Pres. has not named any nominee. It would be foolish and naive to think that possible names don't get out as trial balloons. Susan Rice's name gets out and she is questioned by the right and the left; you don't think the Pres is not going to take that into consideration?
I didn't know he was fat... I want to also point out that this "white fat man" you hate so much is the main reason Obama was reelected. As far as not being punished... If you cheated on your wife and you were fired for it would that be considered being fired? In my books it is and I am sure in his books it is too. So, I don't know what your beef is with white people but you are coming off as one of those haters and your treading pretty close to hate speech.
Well me being a white man I don't think women and most minorities don't have to prove much of anything. I could show some startling crime, prison, and drug statistics to you that might head you into the right direction on why a certain group of people still feel they have to prove themselves but in my books they did it to themselves. Of course you will scream I am racist but whatever. Now that I'm part of the New White Minority Front I can say whatever the hell I want and if you say you don't like it your racist.
By the way your racist and your scared of white people.
We all have come to understand how Obama handles matters such as these. His mind is already made the decision and no one will change it even if it means more campaigning such as the "fiscal cliff" he's done this week.
Susan Rice will be nominated and approved, regardless of circumstances on the pipeline or any other issue for that matter.
And he will, once again, stop any action that could approve the pipeline.
Needless to say, both of these decisions go against the will of the majority of the people.
It's the Democrats sounding board for letting the President know on a public level that Rice may not be approved if nominated and to look elsewhere. There is so much political intrigue here with no upside. The left-wing tree-huggers don't want her, the old hard line left doesn't want her (Kerry and Co.), Repubs don't want her, she got muted support from Hillary which is to say none. The only person that truly wants Rice is the President along with some young lefties that blindly follow the President like chicks following mother hen. The real question is; "Why does the President want Rice when the overwhelming support from the left is not really there?" There seems to be a hidden agenda on the part of the President with respect to this nominee that frankly may not be in the best interest of the U.S...Something smells funny and I just hope some good research uncovers the source of the smell.
Rice is way better on the eyes than Kerry and he is rich enough already...lets put her in there and move on.....
please, they will over look everything and swear her in in the middle of the night. If Obama wants it, its already a done deal...nothing anyone can say will change that. However I do think Kerry would be perfect. And way less controversial..which is something this country needs for a while.
Ya know what? I think if I were Susan Rice I would just tell everyone to shove it..I don't want the job this bad as to put up with all the crap being thrown around. It isn't worth the personal drubbing and being second guessed all the time. Take what dignaty is left and go on.
Hey, Bob from accountemps @ #1...
what are you talking about?
Whine Whine Snivel Snivel. All of you. Dems and Reps. Don't you think our President knows enough to have Mrs. Rice sell her stock prior to having the President nominate her for Secretary of State? You probably don't. Most of you can't think that far ahead.
Anyway, she's still the most qualified and should be nominated and confirmed. By the way, would this have anything to do wilh getting Kerry appointed so a Repug can go after his seat? Or are you just racist? Makes me wonder.
Bob you are an idiot, you are a true dem, make it an issue about discrimination. AS if this country needs another division amongst the ranks. DumbA$$
If the media would actually do the job that was intended when the nation was formed, this would be a drop in the bucket of hypocrisy and corruption running rampant through Washington. The media is suppose to keep the government in check, instead of picking sides and promoting outcomes by turning a blind eye to news unfavorable to their chosen candidates.
Anyone that believes people raise millions of dollars, have their personal lives splashed across the news, endure searing attacks from their opponents, all for the salary and benefits of serving a term in Washington is an idiot. Politicians flock to Washington where corruption pays, regardless of party affiliation. It is the American voters that are to blame for the condition of Washington, as they never have a single standard that applies to all, only to the other party.
Susan Rice has no business being nominated anymore then the pompous John Kerry. Kerry is the richest person to have ever run for president, and who is stupid enough to believe that he doesn't have money tucked in places that would have brought liberal condemnation were he a Republican? But Obama wears his arrogance on his sleeve, how dare anyone question his decisions or demands, and if all else fails he can always pull out the race card.
This battle is not about Susan Rice, it's about getting Sen. John Kerry to be Secretary of State and out of the Senate, so that Tea hated Scott Brown can once again be a Senator from Massachusetts, don't the GOPigs realize that the American people got smart to them !!!!!!!!!!
This is beyond a witch hunt, McCain & Graham are a Disgrace and a insult to this Nation !!!!!!!!
LMFAO!! Suddenly, the Right Wing has a conscience about "conflict of interest" ---- after 8 long years of Dumbya Bush and Dick Cheney funneling BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of wasted taxpayer dollars to their own HALLIBURTON, with huge chunks of that money disappearing into their own private offshore accounts.
Wow. The LOWLIFES on the RIGHT really take the cake when it comes to HYPOCRISY!
Unhappy-1583758: It does make a difference. Susan Rice does have a stake in this. It would be like Democrats telling Republicans to "do what I say and not what I do".
Gee, Unhappy. Where was all your Righteous indignation when Dumbya Bush and Cheney were shoveling BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS into HALLIBURTON, and thus, into their own offshore accounts as well? Where was all of your screeching and shrieking back then??? Toda, you sound like a little girl, shrieking, because she got her piggy tails yanked at recess. But back in the DUMBYA DAYS, you didn't make a peep. Why the sudden surge of CONSCIENCE? You never had one before!
By the way -- I see you're still "unhappy" because your Magic Underwear Mormon Cultist lost the election. I hope you get over that soon, and move on. Turns out he was a sore loser, a liar, and a job-killing POS after all!!
Cheers!
Romnesia must be more contagious than first believed because it seems as though even Democrats are catching it. Everything they are firing at Susan Rice as faults were overlooked in the case of Condoleezza Rice. Condie gave false information about nuclear weapons in Iraq. Condie was so deep in the oil market that conflict of interest should have been a talking point but that and her lies were conveniently ignored by both parties during her Secretary of State appointment. Now both parties are criticizing Susan Rice for the same problems that accepted Condie Rice for. Insanity is taking over in Washington.
I think all the Rice Haters are having Delusions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL!!!! That's funny, but we seem to have survived 8 years of the other one, you know, your buddy W. Bush, even though it was 8 years of illegal invasions, unnecessary wars, thousands of our young men/women killed, 10's of thousands wounded, massive deficits, tax-cuts to the filthy rich, lies, lies, and MORE lies.
Remember those 8 years?
Speaking on the subject at hand, you probably didn't have any problems with Condoleezza Rice's stake in Chevron Oil co, serving on their board of directors since 1991, or the fact Chevron named a super-tanker after her, even though they "re-named" it after she went to work for Bush, but hey, it's like Cheney with his stock in Halliburton, going into "blind-trust," while he made sure many major contracts in Iraq/Afghanistan went to that same company.
It's all relevant, but with different players.
Some of you in here are too funny, and very hypocritical
Of course if Rice got the nomination, she'd be required to shed any stock or holdings in any companies that would be working with the Keystone pipeline. That's a given.
Those of you talking smack about Kerry, were probably more than willing to vote for Romney, who took the IRS amnesty deal in 2009, for all the unreported money he had in offshore accounts.
Myth, a man who only released one tax return, while in the past, calling for others to release many years of theirs. Let's not forget Myth changing his place of residence at the last minute(falsely), so he could run for Gov. of Mass. He also paid only 13% tax on over 8 million dollars.
If you overlooked all those shady moves by Romney and voted for him over Obama, but are now crying foul on Kerry, you are a HYPOCRITE, and I now relegate you to the kiddie table.
Rick 3416939 that is the most thoughtful and accurate comment I have read all week! Excellent! Americans are not thinking for themselves enough; they're running around with a package of labels to put on information. President "deal with me" and "if I had a son" is tearing this country apart and the media is now simply his to direct!
Lets not forget who got us into this Mess, eight sick years of "W" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The GOP was so irresponsible watching "W" destroy our Nation !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought Keystone Pipeline would be good for the US, I mean GOP said it will create lots of jobs and reduce oil's price in US. What went wrong? GOP attached it to like half of their bill in the first 4 years.
Now many in GOP sing different tune, what is happening? Is that all lies from before?
I have nothing against Rice personally, but I do object to having holdings in the XL pipeline project. Here we have a project that the Canadian government would not pass a permit for the project to traverse their land due to environmental concerns. Here we have people in this country who are willing to risk our largest aquifer to put this pipeline across our lands. Will it have a long lasting economic affect for the US? The answer is no and the tar sands oil will not be used as energy for this country but will be shipped overseas for other countries.
I am against her nomination for Secretary of State specifically since she and hers bought stock in the XL project on the prospect of it being built most likely across our Eco systems. Kerry would be a better choice due to many groups who endorse him and he is already wealthy and therefore would be less likely to be an opportunist in exploiting the position for monetary gains while Rice does not do her homework on the international issues to speak for the US.
Our President is not making a good move in trying to nominate her for this reason and the XL conflict of interest. She would hold the decision to permit this project when Canada would not provide a permit for the XL Pipeline to run across their lands to the closest port. Why should we give the green light for this pipeline which will definitely bring us ecological grief just as BP and Haliburton did in the Gulf. Thumbs down on this one.
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the comment about it doesn't matter if she has stock in TransCanada, well I
guess it shouldn't have mattered when Cheney had stock in Halliburton. Then let
us address the Colin Powell addressing the UN about WMD's, have you been
reading up on Syria having the same WMD's that Sadam used? go figure it was
said that they were moving them over to Syria in fact they had intell from more
than one source and that is why we moved in because the UN was not doing a darn
thing. Then again neither did Clinton and that is why crap happened.
Rice destroyed her own credibility by lying about the consulate attack in Libya and now has compromising financial prejudice in energy investment.
It is time to stop wasting public time and find a credible appointee for the position of Secretary Of State.
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Enough of this nonsense about Susan RIce as Secretary Of State.
She clearly is not appropriate, and has no one to blame but herself.
Uh-huh. A little over a month ago this was a hanging offense for a Republican. Now, because she is a Democrat, "it's all good" 'cause they all do it and we should all just let it slide.
Its is to bad that "Bob the medic's" post was first as he is the one that is a racist bigot with a statement like that, as far as Rice being fit for for the job I have more trust in the local cashier at the corner store over her anytime...
Let's see now. We currently get most of our imported oil from the highly unstable Middle East and unfriendly Venezuela, and the Keystone pipeline would replace much of that oil with a dependable supply from a very friendly neighbor. I wonder if we should go ahead with the project?
It's not like the Canadians won't still produce that oil and sell it to someone else (China) - in fact, the environmental risk of shipping the oil to China is far greater than the risk of an oil spill from a pipeline.
Honestly, the environmental groups can't seem to see beyond the tips of their noses.
PS - When Rice knowingly lied to the American people about the Benghazi attack for purely political purposes, she forfeited her credibility and cannot be trusted to be truthful in such a high visibility position as Secretary of State.
The race card is the reason she is being nominated and you idiots who have no clue are quick to throw it in the other direction. Here is a clue. One, who gives a crap what she has investments in? Every single person on the hill has investments and I guarantee that they all have made decisions that would make an ethics board cringe, but none of you want to investigate it because you may get caught with your pants down and have to STFU! They all line their pockets from thier investments. Why do you think the lobbyists have so much pull. She is allowed to invest in what she chooses as there is no law against it. The problem is that she is not the right person for the job. Not every person elected makes the right choice all the time. Until the peopel of this country stop using the race card when it is convenient for them, it will never go away. And before anyone tries to label me with my comment, I hate morons and idiots who believe everything they are told by anyone from the top seat down and those who are bottom feeders always looking for a handout and crying you owe me. Has absolutely nothing to do with race, it has to do with being a lazy POS and being a follower. And to think I gave 24 years of my life to protect all of the rights that allow people to make their stupid comments and feel like their government owes them a free ride. You are welcome America. Oh, and for those who do not understand sarcasm, the first comment was just that, but you have all proven his statement.
Oh, more misguided conjecture from ROY -- who told us for months that his Magic Underwear Mormon Cultist was going to be the next President...
WHOOOPPPEEEEEE!!!!
Go to your TeaBag buddies, Roy...keep licking your wounds!!
This is news... of all the things to talk about Rice's involvement and MSNBC picks the pipeline investment.
Please do some real reporting
@Patriotic American U.S.A.
Clearly YOU are the delusional one. Do you spend even one second thinking BEFORE you post??? Are you even capable of such??? If Kerry become SoS then the governor of Mass will choose his successor. Are you actually stupid enough to believe a dem Governor will choose a republican to replace Kerry???
LOL! Well apparently not too smart! Aside from that how did you fail to notice that this most recent criticism is coming from the LEFT, as mentioned in the headline.
Susan Rice would make a poor SoS for the same reason she makes a poor Ambassador to the UN, or, previously, a poor Assisstant SoS. She always goes along to get along. If you are unwilling to say the boss is wrong when it's your job to say the boss is wrong if you think he is, then you aren't your own person. So she's either a calculating political climber--which is no shock in politics--or she's an easily led dolt, or strangely, both. I think both.
She doesn't strike me as a very wise person. She seems smart, but book smarts are anything but wisdom. And she has, even among those in the WH say this, been extremely reliable at defending what seems difficult at best to defend. Hillary, I think, has said her piece from time to time, but then goes on like a good soldier. I'm not suggesting someone should resign everytime they fail to get their way, just that if the case if never made then there is nothing, ever, which would be worth walking away from. I'm making no brief for Hillary, btw. I think this administration, including Hillary, has done enormous damage to the USA's long term interests. I just happen to think that Hillary is likely the best we can expect from this dismal president, and Rice is not nearly even that good.
Bob, that sir, is a brilliant post. It is oh so rare to see a headline like this from MSNBC.
O thinks he can walk on water, so anyone he picks in his hubris narcissistic mind is perfect but can't quite walk on water yet after all he has to be the supreme one without fault
So let me understand the left...Conservatives want Mr. Obama to select Mr. Kerry so that he will vacate his seat in the hopes that Massachussetts, one of the most liberal states in the nation, will elect a conservative?
On the one had it's astounding that liberals won the presidency given this kind of infantile analysis, but, on the other hand, it is one way to explain why liberals won the presidency.
You mean this administration is full of crooks, naaaaaaaaaah, they're the most "honest" and "transparent" administration around. I mean, hey, how many of these bastards are sitting in Congress became millionaires while serving? Old whining Harry Reid still hasn't explained how he turned $250.000 into six million dollars in one year, yet! Remember, these scumbags are the ones who shoved Obamacare down our throats and will use the IRS Nazi's to hunt you down if you don't pay your taxes/fine for health care. Of course, they don't have the same sh!t plan that we do. Noooooooooo, they have the premium gold-plated plan for life, that you and I have to pay for. And remember they have a special privilege called "Insider Trading" which would put the average citizen in prison. I always wonder how they became so wealthy, now I know. And lets not forget they can vote on their own pay raises. Yeah, the government that works for you!
Hey, Flat Iron: You might want to take a look at who else is invested up to his eyeballs in TransCanada. Yep, none other than the Tan Man himself, John Boehner. That's why he's fought to hard to get the pipeline passed. It will line his pockets.
ROY WILSON-336103
I ususally agree with much of what you say but you are wrong about this. We get most of our imported oil from North American with Canada being our largest foreign supplier followed by Mexico. Only about 15% of the oil we import comes from the Mid-East and only about 9% from Venezuela. Also the pipeline would not "replace" any other forgiegn oil considering we import and refine much more than we use. Oil products are one of our top exports after all.
Folks this is the best time to invest in TransCanada. Let take in a piece of the pie. Mrs. Rice know something we don't and Probably president Obama and mrs. Obama know also. It's time to buy shares stocks on this company.
seeing the response about bob the medic post makes me wonder if people don't know what sarcasm is and it seems its mostly the dims.
@ Backcountry:
shhhh!
Don't hit them with facts.
It's not fair!
Rice is VERY qualified...VERY
What I don't understand is why we keep sending women into this job when now days they spend all their time in the middle east and they have no pull or respect in that part of the world. I don't think that is right but we need to face the cold hard truths that women are third class citizens over there. I don't care for Kerry either but at least he is male and we don't start out way behind before we even get in the door. Wise up Washington a lot of the rest of the world is still way behind on women and what they are worth.
Well I hope this idiot rides his bike to work and has his home powered by solar and wind power, because otherwise every red cent he spends is directly or indirectly related to the price of gas at the pump. I remember twenty years ago Bill Clinton saying he was against adding more oil refineries because "it would take 20 years for them to be up running and online productive." Well here we are 20 years later!
Hey (un)patriotic American: You do realize that Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress with a Supermajority after the 2006 mid-term elections under Bush, right? You do realize that Democrats sat on the Senate Intelligence Committee and voted for war approval in Iraq, right? You do realize that your president's "illegal" invasion of Libya didn't even go through Congress for approval first, right? You do realize that of the TOP TEN richest US Congresspeople, SEVEN are Democrats, right? You do realize that your heroic president has deficit spent more in his first four years than any previous president (COMBINED), right? Here's his famous quote heard around the world (but not replayed by the liberal Obama-loving main stream DNC-water carrying media):
"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, "the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better." ~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006
No, of course you don't realize any of that. You are a low-information Democrat voter and blind Obama follower. This nation has been dumbing down for decades, and your ilk on the left are behind it for a reason: an IGNORANT and DUMB mass is an easily CONTROLLED mass.
We should nominate somebody that is qualified for the job. She's not, never was, and never will. She is just one of those Dumbama trolls that would have to be remolded to fit his needs.
Sad...................
Backcountry164
yep what you say is true but tell me why do we import and export the same thing??
People are missing the point here. This is all part of the Obama plan to shift focus and cover up the fact that Rice lied about Benghazi. I have looked in several dictionaries, and in none are the words sexist or racist used to define LIAR. Whether she simply read the notes put in front of her or spoke her own thought and words, the fact remains. She is not fit to be S.O.S. Maybe Obama will appoint her as Propaganda Czar. This would be in line with his policy of "Complete Transparency"..
@rocky-2318920
We don't. We import crude oil and then refine it into fuels which we then export. Making a boatload in the process I might add.
Oh come now....whites voted for Romney BECAUSE Obama is black. Whites also voted for McCain BECAUSE Obama is black. Now tell me they didn't. Fool!
Now STFU with that!
One leak in this pipeline stretching across the midwest from a rupture, earthquake or even sabotage will in effect render ALL water in the Midwest unfit for consumption. There are water shortages all over the country and even many more in the world. If we poision the drinking water in the midwest, which I have been told is one of the largest supplies of drinking water on the planet at this period in time, than we might as well get used to water shortages across the country and across the globe for the rest of our lives and generations to come. Won't much matter if the children of today are paying off enormous amounts of debt. A bottle of water will likely be $20-$50. Good luck with all of that.......dying of thirst might just get all of us before the sun burns us from all the carbon released into the atmosphere. Sounds like a horrible way to die....no matter how you spin it. Smashing the piss out of the sand till you get the tar out of it and then shipping that crap across the middle of our country to be refined in Texas. What an idiotic plan.
Rice is way better on the eyes than Kerry and he is rich enough already...lets put her in there and move on.....
Yea, we want politicians based on their looks. She looks like a bitch to me.
I'm all for Keystone, but there is no way Rice is qualified for SoS. Iran investments, Keystone investments, two embassy coverups under her belt... that's just to start. She shouldn't even be talked about for nomination.
Good that some liberals are finally being honest about their own.
Oh come now....whites voted for Romney BECAUSE Obama is black. Whites also voted for McCain BECAUSE Obama is black. Now tell me they didn't. Fool!
Compare the number of whites that voted for obama, the number of whites that voted for romney, and then the number blacks that voted for the two. Get back to me on which race votes along racial lines you moron.
@Geo-3053278
Perhaps this will help you to get a clue- pipeline map
Do you actually think one more is going to make a difference? And perhaps you'd care to explain why our drinking water hasn't already rendered unfit given most of these pipleines have been in place for decades?
Rice, like the Rice before her, has all the qualifications..... on paper. However, I believe that both of these women have judgement problems. In their zeal to execute their jobs, they have both "stepped in it". Unlike some politicians, who deliberately commit mistakes, Rice (both) seems to take a flimsy position and run with it (Condi with WMD's, and Susan with Benghazi) Of course, I would prefer Hillary to stay. But, she's tired and/or wants to rest up for a run in 2016.
@jhawke Best Post of the day!!
@jhawke Best Comment of the Day goes to you!!
Jhawke #1.77, "W" lied to congress to get the Dem's on board with the Iraq war, stop with the bull !!!!
I don't really care one way or the other whether Rice gets the job or not... but this sure looks like a measured attack on Rice from the right. As for the article and the "under fire from the left" declaration... bull@!$%#. Some one calls her on the fact that IF she gets the job she WOULD have a conflict of interest and must either rid herself of those investments or recuse herself from any pipeline decisions. That would be true of ANYONE holding stock and going for a new job... it's not illegal and it's VERY common.
I seem to remember that it was only recently that Congress made it illegal for themselves to make insider trades... and now they are so holy. And it seems so similar to the gaggle of Republicans that okayed every dollar spent during the Bush years without funding and now crying for fiscal accountability.
I see a great deal of hypocrisy here instead of any real concern.
Jhawke
An oft repeated claim, mostly by dipsh!ts, that somehow Obama is in violation of his own principles by asking for the raising of the debt ceiling. What a f@#king joke. Obama was criticizing government for raising our debt in normal time when there was absolutely no reason to do so. Bush handed him a $1 Trillion debt train that will generate debt for decades, so, yes, we now need to raise the debt ceiling until it is back under control. The point being made is ignorant and false, as usual.
And your point would be that they should have run over Bush like a truck like the Republicans would do to Obama? Maybe Democrats just don't operate the way you do? Just askin.
Yes, we were all lied to and begrudgingly went along for the ride from hell. Yes, that makes us idiots, but it doesn't take away from the fact that Bush lied at Cheney's insistence and it was THEIR WAR all the way. "You believed my bull@!$%#" is a very poor defense, bud.
Obama has used his executive powers less than Bush by a wide margin, if you really care. And you know what? Most Americans do not blame Obama for skipping the likes of the worst Congress in the history of this country.
Lame. So what? This isn't about who is rich, this is about the fact that the rich are walking away from the middle class because our tax system is set up for them to do so. I could give a GD who is rich and who isn't. Like I said, this is one lame point.
Bush handed Obama an unstoppable deficit of $1 Trillion a year composed of 1 justifiable but unfunded war, one unnecessary and unfunded war, an unfunded super expansion of Homeland Security, an unfunded Medicaid, unfunded tax cuts that grew ZERO revenue, and a collapsed economy that generated $500 Billion in less revenue a year right out of the gate. I'm pretty sure we just had an election supported by major polls that says your full of it and that America does not buy your garbage... they correctly and logically blame Bush.
Virtually every point you made was a "left over". You have anything remotely considered TRUE?
Did he lie or was it faulty intelligence on Iraq? Bush took responsibility, saying it falls on the President.
People can't make comments here about Rice and Hillary. They are Obummer's puppets, pure and simple.
How long do you imagine that a U.S. representative to the U.N. or the Secretary of State would hold their job if they bucked the president or spoke their minds and not followed orders of the president? Remember these people serve at the pleasure of the president.
Rice has done nothing at the U.N. that she has been told to do. Clinton has not stepped out of line from the spiel that Obummer has told her to say.
Nothing surprising here. Heck, probably 98% of our "elite" Congressional Representatives are looking at their "personal" portfolio when they submit or vote on legislation.....or when they include RIDERS on legislation to cover their portfolio.
Ever wonder why these Turkeys want to stay in office when their pay is about $ 143,000 per year ? When they "RETIRE" their net wort is in the MILLIONS. Guess which party has the MOST millionaires .... yep....you got it.....PROGRESSIVES.
Let's go back to Mrs. Peloski's statement: "Time to clean the Swamp."
Take a look at Mr. Clinton (International Aid) and Mr. Al Gore (Global Warming). They are out of office and continue to PUSH their legislation agenda.
KKKWilson
I am so glad you are privy to President Obama's innermost thoughts.
Good God you're a worthless twit. Everything I've read that you've posted has been like watching this massive exercise in stupidity by you. Worst of all, you seem to think you're smart. The delusion continues.
The Keystone pipeline will not help the USA..it will run from Canada (through the middle of the USA) to the Gulf of Mexico for a reason. Canada can't ship oil in winter months north..so its south for their business (and its not oil for the USA) its for other countries.
she should sell her stock NOW
mike277
Yeah, because that's where most of the refineries are. Of course this will help, oil is a global market, the more there is the less it costs for everyone. There isn't ANY oil that is earmarked for one country or another. And lets not forget about all of those pipeline and refinery jobs, I'd definitely say they will help the USA.
You keep assuming the GOP wants to do something good for the country. The GOP only dioes waht is good for the GOP!
Time to change your screen name!
John Kerry Saves $500,000 By Docking 76-Foot Luxury Yacht Out Of State
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/23/john-kerry-saves-500000-b_n_656985.html
READ....and COMPREHEND!!!!
Why the @!$%# are you going after Republicans? We're not the ones who give a @!$%# if she owns stock... it's the @!$%#ing dumb ass liberals who are attacking Mrs. Rice for owning stock that you should have a problem with. My biggest issue with her is her blatant lies six days after the attack not some stupid ass stock issues... Might I add amounts to more than you'll probably make in a lifetime. So, get on target... Republicans are trying to promote people into investing in America and if Mrs. Rice owns some stock for an oil transport company than good for her. We sure as hell won't hold it against her and won't cause a commotion about it like the liberals have.
That would have been great if she had actually done that... Instead she filled the Swamp up with all types of crap. That's why she lost her Majority Seat or do I have to remind you of that 2010 ass kicking all over again?
As does President Bush... you forgot about his AIDS initiatives that have saved millions of lives and spawned research into new medicines to cure the disease. You also forgot his wounded warrior legislation that he still participates in. Unlike Gore, President Bush doesn't make millions from what he pushes. Nor does he say something about Global Warming before getting on a million plus dollar Jet plane, get's picked up in a gas sucking Limousine, and then goes to his multi-million dollar home that is parked only a few feet from the beach. Don't bring up Gore into any conversation again. He's the biggest fraud, hypocrite, and scumball liar that ever walked the earth.
Yeah, yeah. Here is a clue. We are almost at 17 Trillion debt. If we don't get a handle on it then we will look like Germany after World War I. Personally, I don't want to have to butcher horses in the middle of the highway to feed my children. You might want to do that but not me. So, it doesn't matter what happened back then. We voted for change over four years ago and we still haven't seen it. The soldiers never came home from Iraq, they were moved to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. More Soldiers are in Afghanistan than at any time that President Bush was in office... and I could go on. So, is President Bush in office? No. Your boy Obama is and it's time to get a grip on the debt. If you want to play kiddie games of "He did it first! Whaaa!" then that is on you. I don't want to be eating horse meat in two years thanks to you and the liberal ilk.
Jason, have you seen this?
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51470#.ULvL21AeMxI.facebook
I see all the barbarous, yellow belly, tea party, teabirchers Fox Newsies are too coward to admit their racism. I shouldn't be surprised though. Fox is fiction not news.
IRespond is a classic example of what is wrong in America. He supports criminals in Washington as long as they have a D in front of their name. He's all upset and worried about Romney using IRS loopholes on his taxes legally, but doesn't care that John Kerry or Charlie Rangle BREAK THE LAW cheating on their taxes.
This is why the country is failing. People like IRespond is a perfect example.
Liberal response is ..."your guy too"...well, save it because I support life time prison sentences for any congressman that breaks the law and/or eliminating all perks & benefits as well. I also support an independent law officer and IRS agent to review all of their taxes because that "ethics committee" of peers is a joke.
This is the under-considered sticking point in the issue of who will replace Hillary Clinton at State.
But let's be honest -- if that is possible for the GOP. It wouldn't matter who the President nominated... Republicans would do their level best to bury him or her in mud. Is there anyone in public life who is acceptable to the GOP? Is there anyone who has their financial affairs already whitewashed and has the confidence of the GOP?
The only way Republicans, sore losers that they are, would be happy with the President's choice would be if he chose a Republican to replace Clinton (and then they would ascribe some nefarious motive to his choice anyway.)
Too many of the comments here demonstrate continuing obstructionism from the Party of No.
Well, flatiron, I suppose it is too much to expect you to read and absorb the headline, less than 1 dozen words, before posting your silly comments.
What is so hard to comprehend about that short, declarative sentence?
Is it flatiron, or flatline?
Beverly in Chicago
Those who cry racism whenever someone disagrees with them are worse than actual racists. At least racists come right out and admit what they want; you pathetic "racism whores" are just trying to shut people up through intimidation and lies and there is NOTHING worse than trying to silence people.
The only way I would accept this pipeline is if TRUNKS were placed in every state it goes through so NEW REFINERIES could be built and insure LOWER COST FUEL in the Midwest. Why should only Gulf States benefit from this pipeline.
Beverly in Chicago....."I see all the barbarous, yellow belly, tea party, teabirchers Fox Newsies are too coward to admit their racism. I shouldn't be surprised though. Fox is fiction not news."
If I were the moderator, YOU would be banned from Newsvine for a YEAR. Wait a minute....maybe longer.
Then you could spend a year with FLYeisty drinking some of that Chicago Joe.
So then, you advocate free hate speech? You think it is better to spew racist epithets than to hold your tongue?
Those who have never personally experienced the sharp edge of racism should be ashamed to call anyone a "racism whore."
Backcounrty: one more would definitely make a difference if it is the one that destroys our drinking water. I do have a clue. Right now I am fortunate enough to live in a city that has huge underground water supplies of our own. So much so tha twe are able to provide for not only ourselves, but for another county and the entire rural area of our county in addition to two cities. Poision that, and were screwed. Anything can happen, you are right....but adding another line crossing the great lakes, the Mississippi and 1000's of natural lakes and underground supplies with yet ANOTHER sludge filled line is not going to help. That's like saying "with all the drugs somebody has taken would one more mg. matter?" Sure would, if its the 1 mg that kills them.
So what. Many did not complain when a major profiteer, Dick Cheney acting vice president made millions off of a company in the middle-east during the war -oh and by the way we lost many of our troops there. I guess when its a Republican its okay. I'm certain this is not an issue, again folks playing politics with Rice whom is a good prospect vs Kerry for Sec of State. Bring on the nomination Mr. President. Gosh!
Did you read the article? It's the dems that are attacking Mrs. Rice.
I agree, but now that its youse guys on the left, we're supposed to eat your crap. I don't think so
Both parties carry out wars for the UN.. Repeating that evil isn't fair game people are dying.
Now Obama was reelected with the ( with the help of the Bias media & you Progressives) Progressivesvote. Now we see the real war on women from the Progressives, Canada will sell their oil on the world market at the same price, so Mrs & Mr.Rice will make profit anyway. So tell me again who has a war on women? The Progressives ( code word for Communist)! Kerry or Rice........I'm sure they have a monetary interest in "the green jobs scam) anyone who is chosen will do King Obamas will. "So it is written, so let it be done".
It's the dems that are attacking Mrs. Rice.
No it is not idiot it says it is a left leaning enviromental group and they are not attacking the lady they just are calling attention to a possible conflict of interest a> Should she be nominated and B. should she get the post. If she does all she has to do is the same thing Romney and other do and that is put her holding in a blind trust. Makes all you right wingers the winners of the daily sucker award keep posting its fun to watch you clowns spew the same things that cost you an election a few weeks ago. Definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
IDIOT? Yes they both are! Rice & Kerry.........Now go drink your kool-aid Communist pig!
lee-936758
So other than Secretary of @!$%#, what are your accomplishments that give proof to your statement that both Rice and Kerry are idiots?
EBrown, yeah that still pisses me off to no end. I do think halliburton should be torn apart and the owners, investors, etc should be held for war crimes..in an ME court. I cannot believe we still have those same private contractors over there now...we dont even get to be a part of the war we are responsible for (by sending contractors that have no allegiance to the American public)...pisses me off. I hated Bush for this, and I was so proud Obama put a stop to it. pufff
guess saturday morning brings out the IDIOT in all of us...I mean who calls people names like a 2yr old? Well when you look at your kids today, know this....they are way more civilized then you could ever wish to be...and you will corrupt them too eventually, turn them into the same hater their mommy and daddy are.. enjoy
One day the Bush administration will not be the scapegoat for this country. Either way Halliburton and Cheney severed their relationship well before the war.
Wow. Big Dave. You've had the whole JUG of kool-aid!!!
I'm very sorry to say this but I think McCain & Graham are two Degenerates !!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you serious? Have you ever heard of residual income? Cheney is still getting paid from Haliburton just like Romney continues to make money on Bain deals. While I think the Right has made a lot to do over nothing with Benghazi, I'm a bit concerned over this deal. However, she has the right to make money just like those lying stealing Republicans.
@ lee:
Anyone that goes about calling someone they don't know a "communist"(especially when it's obvious they don't know the definition of the word), is mentally disabled, and/or a McCarthyist who is trying to use scare labels to cast a negative light on others.
Grow up, or you'll be eating at the kiddie table for life.
Hey Lee, the Communist Pigs are the GOP Tea Loonies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I always like to play devil's advocate. How do you know this poster doesn't understand what a "communist" is? What is your evidence?
Using scare labels to cast a negative light on others.....wouldn't that be exactly like just calling someone a racist or bigot because they disagree with Obama? Of course it would.
@EBrown-3787847 Comment collapsed by the community
But many DID complain also and many of those who did complain then are doing the exact opposite now. Do you not see a problem with that?
What a dumb comment. Sorry to be blunt. The right isn't making a case against Rice over her holdings in TransCanada. It's the left doing this. And the right didn't make a case against Cheney because Halliburton received contracts during wartime. The comment you make compares apples to oranges in any event, but the reason it is so dumb is because you seem to think that since the right didn't have a problem with Cheney that it should not have a problem with Rice over the investment. News flash: The right doesn't have a problem with Rice over the investment. The people who do are on YOUR side.
The question that should be asked and answered about the investment, if it ever comes to that, is whether or not the pipeline would be a good project to allow, not whether a political hack like Rice might benefit from it. I mean, would we reject it if it helped us all because it might help Rice? Can you imagine a result being more dumb than that?
Evidence? His continued MISAPPLICATION of the word communist is pretty good EVIDENCE... Saying he is a communist was entirely stupid to say! get real.
Cheney started his dealings with Iran in the 1990s when he was CEO of Halliburton. Halliburton sold nuclear technology including centrifuges to Iran for years, both before and after he became Vice President. In fact Halliburton only stopped selling nuclear technology to Iran in 2005, when Congress finally got interested.
The RWNJs did not have a problem with it then and have no problem withit now. Why is it only the Left that seems to have any morals?
2. Halliburton Charged with Selling Nuclear Technologies to Iran | Project Censored
@ proud:
Calling someone a racist/bigot because they don't agree with Obama's policies, is wrong.
Believing every BS/unsupported accusation against Obama(Muslim, not a citizen, unAmerican, destroyer of Christianity in the US), just because you WANT to believe it.....
is most like rooted in bigotry(and even some racism).
Why else would so many carry the torch of spouting lies and innuendo against Obama, even going as far as ignoring evidence contrary to their beliefs?
@American Lobo
Because he's a liberal and they are conservatives. Just like many liberals believe lies and innuendo targeted towards conservatives. When you hear liberals spouting drivel about the republicans wanting to "destroy America and the middle class" do you believe they do so because they are racists? No. The cries of racism coming from so many on the left are NOTHING other than an attempt to shut people with differing opinions up through intimidation and there are few things that are more reprehensible.
Yeah. But I bet MOST of the posters bashing on here are Republican - jumping on it, like flies on sh!t.
Oh, I'm an Independent (never Dem/Repub), so fuk both parties, IMO. Both are two nuts in the same ballsack.
I'll be glad when a Third Party is realized, if ever at all. Certainly need an alternative to the current ones.
What I don't understand is why we keep sending women into this job when now days they spend all their time in the middle east and they have no pull or respect in that part of the world. I don't think that is right but we need to face the cold hard truths that women are third class citizens over there. I don't care for Kerry either but at least he is male and we don't start out way behind before we even get in the door. Wise up Washington a lot of the rest of the world is still way behind on women and what they are worth.
@gmainco
What I don't understand is why you felt the need to repost this in every thread. Did you want people to ignore you?
So. Should we play their game? Or set an example.
Get real. Neanderthal countries will only see the correct path if someone shows it to them. We sure as hell don't want to pander their lowlife ways! We may as well set the whole USA back to Alabama ways of thinking.
Backcountry164
Just an experiment on my part. Just seeing if anyone really reads more than the first one or two posts. I did give it an extra with the bold type. You seem to be the only person that realized I had done it more than once. Seems most people post on these sites without even reading the article let alone the posts. Thanks for taking the time to acknowledge you can read.
DMorgan...
What I am getting at is these countries have been this way for 1000's of years and we are not going to change them in our life time and right now things are so unstable over there that we need every advantage we can get and if that means sending a man instead of a woman at this point then yes I guess you can call it playing their game. I have 3 grandkids in the military and I really don't like it when they are doing a tour over there so would like to keep things stable. We started showing them the way when they started sending their men to this country for an education and they brought their wives. We Americanized them and that was the beginning. I was friends with some of the wives and when they went back home I knew they would never be happy with the old ways. We have to do it in steps and not shoving it down their throats.
Life is a krap shoot so why make it harder than it has to be.......
...and conservatives call the President "divisive"??
Go figure.
The GOP will not have a substantive discussion on any issue in government without blocking the progress of this country in every possible way. Unless they call the shots they refuse to work at all, let alone work together.
This is obvious to the voters who do not vote in lockstep with anyone branded 'R'. The more the GOP continues its divisive and destructive behavior, the more certain they become to disappear.
Would you say the same thing about a black man? In many places, racism plays the same part as misogyny. We decide who is competent to represent us, not the other way around.
While it is true that men the world over tend to respect a woman less than a man, The U.S. is the standard-bearer and we have the upper hand. If needed, send in a man to negotiate with certain intractible and misogynistic heads of state. But put a woman at the helm if she is the best candidate.
How did you feel about Condi Rice as SOS? That was a GOP choice I didn't agree with, not because she was female but because she was ineffective as a negotiator. That Rice should have stayed in academia where she belongs.
My experience is different. I knew a woman dentist in Saudi Arabia who was educated in the U.S. and lived here for several years. When she went back to Saudi, she returned to accepting Islamic cultural restrictions on women and to believing ridiculous stereotypes about Americans and others. She claimed that the streets of American cities are filled with drunks. She claimed her Fillipina maid was trying to seduce her husband with witchcraft.
Women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia. They are still not allowed to go many places without a male family member as guardian. They are downtrodden and marginalized en masse.
As a foreign man and a non-family member, you would have had no access to any Saudi woman in any capacity.
Please do not pretend it is otherwise.
Obama has NOT governed as a "liberal", no matter what he has claimed to be before. He's governed to the center, and isn't left enough for many "lefties".
I'm glad Obama is centered. All politicians should govern from the center, as most Americans fall somewhere in the middle.
I think Kerry would make a better SOS. He certainly is better known.
he dresses nice,
He's a coward and a liar.
How is he coward and liar Wes he a hero of Vietnam! Were was Bush? Were was Romhead?they are the cowards and liars The whole thing is There are no Republican Heros they are just for them selfs!
Oh if you guys bring up that swift boat lie that's all you Republicans have!
40--He was no hero!! Even back then he was setting up for politics. In his bizzaro world he imagined himself to be the new JFK, even has the same initials. Later in the war he went to Paris and totally swallowed the propaganda bs of the north vietnamese delegation. He's a borderline traitor ala Jane Fonda, and a disgrace to his fellow Vietnam veterans. Idiot libtards like you swallow anything fed to you by the democrats.
Great, Richard. I love it when you pot-smoking booger-eaters come in here and yak about things you know NOTHING about...
I see you are still pissed-off because your Magic Underwear Mormon Cultist tanked in the election. You guys really need to get over it and move on. Obama got 1.5-times the number of electoral votes as your Mormon cultist did. This country didn't want a cult member in the Oval Office! Get over it already, grow up and move on!!
This from the republicans who now admit to being lied to the war in Iraq. The same people who lied us to war in Iraq are still lying to republicans today. Well they are lying to all of us, but only the republicans believe them.
Republicans after being dumb enough to keep coming on here and keep repeating the republican lying points, you then wonder why we informed people elected President Obama. Get over yourselves, we didn't believe your lies before the election and have no reason to believe them now.
@DMorgan
But liberals don't seem to mind having a "cult member" as the leader in of the Senate and a prominent spokesperson for the democratic party. You know what hypocrisy is right?
Like when Colin Powell had to lie about yellow cake and that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. It wasn't until right near the end of her term that Condy Rice was able to actually be allowed to do some real diplomacy because the White House was bent on war with everybody until they figured out that it wasn't a good idea after all.
We all realize what he is known as, too..
What I don't understand is why we keep sending women into this job when now days they spend all their time in the middle east and they have no pull or respect in that part of the world. I don't think that is right but we need to face the cold hard truths that women are third class citizens over there. I don't care for Kerry either but at least he is male and we don't start out way behind before we even get in the door. Wise up Washington a lot of the rest of the world is still way behind on women and what they are worth.
Yes i do. You know what idiocy is? Not knowing that there is a MASSIVE difference between a Senator and the President of the United States.
DMorgan
I know the difference. Idiocy is also believing that the people who WRITE the bills have less actual power to influence law than the person who just signs them. Idiocyis also believing you speak for the entire country when you actually only represent a small minority of ignorant morons. Personally I'd take the cult of Mormonism over the cult of moronism, which is to say progressives, any day.
And the long pause before your response seems to indicate that you had no clue who I was even talking about, which of course is unsurprising. I suspect you had no issues with Morons until you needed an excuse to whine about someone from the other party.
I thought the issue before had to do with the fact that most of the oil being transported was going to be sold out of the country.
Yes! It is not American oil, it is Canadian oil. Why are they building a pipeline to the gulf coast? To export it to the highest bidder!
a little levity
Newsflash- ALL OIL is sold on the global market regardless of where it comes from. The pipeline will create thousands of jobs and we will get a piece of the action when Canada sells their oil to China. Who cares if it goes to another country if it helps our economy on its way?
What I don't understand is why we keep sending women into this job when now days they spend all their time in the middle east and they have no pull or respect in that part of the world. I don't think that is right but we need to face the cold hard truths that women are third class citizens over there. I don't care for Kerry either but at least he is male and we don't start out way behind before we even get in the door. Wise up Washington a lot of the rest of the world is still way behind on women and what they are worth.
Backcountry164, everyone knows the tar sands will be processed, cracked and then sent offshore countries. The problem is with the pipeline itself and the land it runs over. The XL Pipeline is to be routed over America's largest aquifer that many states rely on for potable water. It is not if, but when the pipeline ruptures and the tar sands spill out onto the landscape polluting OUR posterity's borrowed natural resources like the Gulf fiasco with BP and Haliburton the probability of polluting the Oglala Aquifer are huge not to mention the collateral damage where will we go for potable water in the middle of the country? Will Canada build a new potable water line from Canada as part of the mitigation settlement to replace the lost aquifer? I doubt or actually I know it is impossible. Just like their mining operations for gold and other precious metals in Nevada and now Bristol Bay.
Canada would not provide a permit to this Canadian company to build the pipeline to a closer Canadian seaport saving millions of dollars in construction and energy to pump the slurry of sand and oil. A sensible and logical person would ask themselves why Canada would not permit this construction across their lands so why would we want something the Canadian government wouldn't permit. What could possibly be wrong with this engineering feat? I know or hope you are logical enough to be able to read about this and find your own answers. Your statements ring hollow with most knowledgeable people.
@Intellect-1949393
Huge?? LOL! I posted this above but it is worth repeating -pipeline map This is a map of all the piplines in the US and Canada. Many of these pipelines have exsisted for decades and yet "somehow" we've managed to avoid the "huge" risk of a major pipline disaster.
Hmm. Methinks I see a strawma............strawperson.
What I don't understand is why we keep sending women into this job when now days they spend all their time in the middle east and they have no pull or respect in that part of the world. I don't think that is right but we need to face the cold hard truths that women are third class citizens over there. I don't care for Kerry either but at least he is male and we don't start out way behind before we even get in the door. Wise up Washington a lot of the rest of the world is still way behind on women and what they are worth.
Women are not third class; gmainco.
Misogynist men, if you are a man, like you are goons.
oh, those democrats. the party of the poor and down trodden. the more things change the more they stay the same.
on this site the other day. 11 of the 19 richest congressmen/women are dems. Also the two richest Americans. Hey, facts have no place in a discussion.Only opinion matters.
And yet, they all have the courage to support legislation that means higher taxes for themselves.
So, STFU and get over yourself!
No one every said Dems didn't know how to make money. That's the lie told countless times by the Right. With that being said, we unequivocally care more for the middle class and poor.
Wow, DMorgan,
Chill out. Your gonna blow a gasket.
DMorgan...thanx for the laff. the spit and swallow bobbleheads are too funny.
Flip one to you too !!!
flip, How did this inconsequential rubbish become a point of contention?
DMorgan
LOL! they all have the "courage" to pander to their base to insure they continue to be elected. They all know it's a bad idea because most of them, including the President, have come right out and admitted it. But the best way to get and maintain power to is create an enemy so people will rally behind you. Many political movements throughout the world and history have employed this tactic, I won't bring down the conversation by mentioning any of them, lets suffice to say it never turns out well.
yep they support that legislation and support the tax loopholes that keep them from paying any more. Just like Buffet is so willing to pay more even though he is not paying his fair share now. WOW I wish I could believe in the one and only OZ.
What I don't understand is why we keep sending women into this job when now days they spend all their time in the middle east and they have no pull or respect in that part of the world. I don't think that is right but we need to face the cold hard truths that women are third class citizens over there. I don't care for Kerry either but at least he is male and we don't start out way behind before we even get in the door. Wise up Washington a lot of the rest of the world is still way behind on women and what they are worth.
Surely they can fine another less controversial job for her.
Yes--Michelle could probably use another assistant.
What I don't understand is why we keep sending women into this job when now days they spend all their time in the middle east and they have no pull or respect in that part of the world. I don't think that is right but we need to face the cold hard truths that women are third class citizens over there. I don't care for Kerry either but at least he is male and we don't start out way behind before we even get in the door. Wise up Washington a lot of the rest of the world is still way behind on women and what they are worth.
I dont support the pipeline, too much risk to the environment. Get educated on the matter. Your water may depend on it.
We should all live in teepees and eat humans
I think the pipeline $ should be used to build a giant aqueduct from wet Washington state to drought stricken Nebraska.
Everything that humans do leaves a bad reaction to the environment. Freedom4everyone, look around your home, and at you car, then come talk to me about what's good for the environment. People find it self stimulating to pick and choose environmental issues that we as people can do without
Once you move out of you homes,go survive off the land, and forgo all the luxuries of life; then talk to me about green energy, and all the other tree hugging crap.
Please don't fill your car or book an airplane,, I'll use your share and you will be contributing to saving the planet.
Hey big dave, once we kill planet earth where are you going to get the air to breathe and the clean water to drink to survive as humans?
Oh I know republicans aren't concerned about the next generations being able to survive, when we have tax cuts for the rich to fight over.
Do the republicans know something the rest of us don't. Is there another planet ready for us to move to after we destroy planet earth?
If not, then I suggest we take care of the only planet we have. Or are only democrats smart enough to not burn down the home they want to live in?
Empirate, That has been a question I have long asked. A way to alleviate the drought with water from the floods.
Americansfirst--Get with it. Human beings are not going to survive as a species. Our self-destructive impulses will eventually result in our extinction.
Americans First-3238795
Another child with no perspective. Son I'm old enough to remember when major cities would issue smog alerts and there were rivers so polluted they were considered toxic. Those days are in the past because we have taken major steps to clean up and protect our environment. What we have today is a bunch of eco-zealots who realize they'd be out of a job if they didn't find some new regulation to create, cost and unintended consequence be damned. Honestly the only people who believe any environmental regulation passed within the last 10 years is necessary for the next generation to survive are blind puppets and sheep. bahhhhh
Empirate
A- the $ for the pipeline comes from the revenue it will generate. Where will you get the money to pipe water?
B- even if you made it 10 times the size it wouldn't amount to a drop in the bucket
C- The people in Washington might not appreciate their water being shipped somewhere else considering no one ever does.
D- hopefully this was nothing more than a poorly executed attempt at sarcasm.
Another child with no prospective? In my early 20's I protested the Vietnam war at peace rallies in San Francisco, so not too much of a child. Yes we have cleaned up some awful messes. I sold a house on Humboldt Bay in the early 1990's because it already had standing water under the house year round.
I already knew global warming was real and my next house now sits on a hill overlooking the water in Washington state.
But apparently you haven't heard about the people who can light their tap water and it burns. Yes happening in areas where they are fracking. This is the same toxic crap they want to pipe over major water supplies.
While we did clean some stuff up the republicans are fighting to end regulations so they can pollute even more. The earth is not a garbage can and the sooner we start using solar and wind power the better off we will be.
The Koch brothers aren't donating all that money to the republicans because they want a better America, and as oil men they are doing it so they can pollute at will and get the government off their backs.(smaller government, get it?) Also the promised increased and permanent tax cuts was part of their selling point. Why do you think some of the donors are promising no more donations to the republican coffers if they raise their taxes?
I think what amazes me most is that there are still people so gullible they would vote for a republican for anything.
Americans First-3238795
Yes actually I did hear about that. I also heard the EPA (aka enviro-nazis) determined it was caused by naturally occurring methane. But I actually look for the truth when such stories surface as opposed to just listening to what I want to hear.
Some stuff, perhaps your problem isn't you're too young, it's that you're so old your memory is failing you. Pollute even more? The regulations in place now are crippling our economy and, as I said, we pollute far, FAR less than we once did. The EPA standards reached the point of diminishing returns 20 years ago. What we have now is a bunch of eco-zealots who write regulations because if they didn't they'd be out of a job.
And what amazes me most is that there are still people so gullible that they believe democrats are any better, or even different, than republicans.
Naturally occurring methane? I suppose you also believed that cigarettes weren't bad for you when they told you that too.
If it was so naturally occurring, then why did it only start happening after the fracking started?
Crippling our economy? Don't you ever get tired of repeating loads of crap you have no proof for? Talk about my memory? Didn't our economy get crippled by greedy banks with no regulations? Then for the first time in our history the republicans gave tax cuts during wartime and created the largest deficit in our history.
But now stopping polluters crippled our economy?
Democrats and republicans are all just people, but one party is fighting to the death of America to defend the tax cuts for the rich.
I guess you are proud of the republican party that would cut benefits for disabled veterans to pay for more tax cuts for the rich?
Don't tell me they are not any different. Which party is trying to take freedom and choice away from women for their winger fanatic so called christian base?
Democrats as people aren't any better, but their policies are.
Republican brand of freedom is making women into second class citizens, gerrymandering, lying and suppressing the vote as the only way they can win elections.
Vote for one at your own peril.
Americans First-3238795
So when the EPA says something you agree with you believe it and when they say something you don't agree with you deny it. Anything else you say is irrelevant because that fact proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that you are nothing more than a political hack and sheep. bahhhhh
BTW, I'm a libertarian so, unlike you, I easily see the BS coming from BOTH parties. But you go ahead and live in your fantasy land, I can only assume reality and truth are too much for you to handle. A common problem today amongst the idiots who identify themselves so strongly with either party.
The Bush family made , and are still making monies off crooked oil deals and war.Romney made a crap load of monies off screwing up people's jobs and lives.....and the lists goes on.
Blame Bush!!? I blame Benjamin Harrison!! That SOB!!
skinsrian......Do you have facts to support your hate? And what "list"? I for one would like to see that list. Why do you hate on the Bushes and Romney for reasons you have dreamed up or garbage you heard from someone that you agree with and then call them facts? God don't like ugly!
I blame Geo. Washington...he had slaves.
If you belive that B.S you are an ediot, WADA!!!
I blame the fu***** Bias Media!!!!!
You should change you name to SKINRASH, stop scratching and follow the topic.
I blame Lincoln, that ratbastard!
big dave?
I'll jump right on that. Communist troll...From what your wife tells us at the Gentleman's you need to change your name to Little Dave...
All of you should righfully be placing the blame on Reaganomics, and the trickle up effect.
Some of you blame Obama for most of the stuff that was started under the Bush Admin.(including spending), yet you'd cry out that Obama was a dictator if he used executive powers to change it.
You are like the people who like to deny or forget that their are molesters in their family. If you don't talk about it, it isn't relevent. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
I blame Eve. What a conniving bitch!
I hope you realise the persons who can solve problems are more important than the persons who created them. Finger pointing and name calling are ego massaging.
Dude the blame Bush thing is worn out to the max. Try someone else for a change........
Debi, I beg to differ with your statement of "blame the Bush thing is worn out" as the US is still recovering from his selfish management of this country. I should say his ineptness at managing anything even to a baseball team. Let's face it Dub-ya gave us a war, failed economics and the Great Recession not to mention not paying attention to the events leading up to the attack on the US that could have been avoided or at least mitigated for the most part.
Intell--Clinton's administration is responsible for 9/11. The warning signs were all there...the embassy bombings, the USS Cole attack, the first attack attempt at the Towers. Clinton did nothing but embolden the terrorists by not doing something. Even the intelligence passed on to the Bush administration was garbage. Guess Clinton was too engrossed proving to himself he could still get the young chicks.
lee-936758
I followed you up until you had to resort to school yard bully tactics and name calling.
Try growing up. It does wonders for your own self esteme.
You know your right. sorry
Good you are restoring my faith in humans....
well if the lib's cant bad mouth someone on the right....they're gonna find someone on the left to bad mouth!!....just not happy people are they!! i think it's funny!
but how can yore Girl Rice make a dime
I believe this is how the dems get rid of Mrs. Rice. She has out lived her usefulness as a tool to attack republicans.
simple--yes the libs send her riding off into the sunset. And please, no more Benghazi questions now that she's gone. The left is so transparent, and they don't even realize it. Very funny if they didn't cause so much harm.
Right? It was the democrats who lied us to war in Iraq? I sure that didn't cause any harm?
Wasn't it the republicans who said deficit didn't matter as they were giving tax cuts to the rich, starting wars based on lies and creating the largest deficits in our history while destroying our economy?
Very funny if they didn't cause so much harm.
hmm--Obama's administration has created the largest deficit in our history. Get your facts straight. And what the Bush administration and Congress had in intelligence, plus Saddam Hussein's obfuscations, what other conclusion would one reach? World events don't stop and begin the day an American administration changes.
Americans First-3238795
Seems to me history is repeating itself. Syria is threating to use chemical warfare and Obama has reacted. Now if he goes ahead and attacks and we don't fine chemicals will you extend the same to him as you have to Bush????
Richard the Lionhear
Now why should the questions about Bengazi be laid to rest since they haven't given any answers? I think the families deserve to know why their loved ones were sacrificed and now are being swept under the rug like they never existed. Maybe this is personal to me since I have grandchildren in the military and I want to "know" the President will go out of his way to give them aid if they needed it.
The difference is that Syria is threatening to use chemical warfare and Saddam said he had destroyed his chemical weapons and no longer had any and the weapon inspectors were proving him to be telling the truth. That is why Bush kicked the weapon inspectors out and started the war before they could prove there were none.
I appears you were buying all the hype and lies coming out of faux. In those days I was actually listening to the entire weapons inspectors report speeches. While the inspectors were becoming more and more confident that the chemicals had been destroyed. What you heard day in and day out on faux was fear and smear. Don't you know why the bush administration came up with all the lies about the moving chemical labs? It was because the inspectors weren't finding the smoking gun to start the war with.
Finally fearing their reasons for war were slipping away the republicans kicked the inspectors out and started bombing. I never believed Saddam had any weapons of mass destruction to begin with.
It seems pretty credible that Syria does have chemical weapons. None of their leaders are denying it and we don't have weapon inspectors on the ground checking either.
You republicans must really twist thing around in your mind to even believe you could compare the two events.
Americans First-3238795
Bush didn't "kick" the inspectors out, they left just prior to the invasion. If you are going to criticize people for "buying all the hype and lies" coming from one TV channel you should be sure you aren't doing the exact same thing from some other channel.
Well now here is proof that you believe whatever you want because I'm pretty sure the Kurds he gased would disagree.
Again, you should avoid being critical of of others over something you clearly do yourself.
They left prior to the invasion. You are too funny. If I was told they were going to start bombing I would leave too. As I said I was listening to the inspectors and they said they only left because they were warned to leave as they wanted to stay and finish their job.
Yes, Saddam did have chemical weapons and used them, the ones the Reagan or was it Bush administration gave to him. That is how they knew he had the chemicals. But him argument was he destroyed them. The weapon inspector were checking the sites for the right chemical residue where he claimed they were destroyed.
At that point they could prove a certain amount had been destroyed. Right before the bombing started.
I am sure this is not the story you heard if you weren't listening to the actual inspector reports. But in my book 2 + 2 = 4 no matter who you voted for.
I don't understand the fuss. Obama has said the pipe line won't come. Period. Obama would rather have USA depend upon other countries rather than having a say in energy need.
Ms. Rice will not do anything to jeopardize Obama's legacy. She will be good Secretary of State as she can tell lies without flinching and better still when caught would give very good explanation! Telling lies to Americans and to the world must be an important quality to be Secretary of State. John F Kerry also told lies about his Vietnam bravado!
Gudprsn--see, silly me, I PERSONALLY have a problem with a person who was with the middle east 'branch " of the State department when an ambassador felt threatened, warned of potential terror attacks on him and his embassy post, and DIED.
In 1998.
And then 14 years later, when the SAME scenario came up, she not only didn't say anything, but actually went out and 'fronted' a LIE for the WH, to help the re-election. Never MIND that The SECOND ambassador ALSO died.
ME, I couldn't have SLEPT for those 14 years, I SURE wouldn't have had the unmitigated GALL or the obliviousness to CLAIM "I didn't remember the facts of the 1998 case.
Too bad the DEM chair of one of the most powerful committees in Congress DID remember.
I love you Republicans I was almost agree with you on this issue but you nemrods never know when to shutup!
Rice is a liability, everywhere she goes American Citizens DIE!
Jeepers! I couldn't figure out where all these semi- literate right-wing lunatic- fringe brain trusters had come from, and why there were no Progressives showing up to give them all a (correctly spelled and punctuated ) Bitch- Slap of Truth(TM). Then I checked the time stamp on a nearly incoherent spew, and it all became clear- these Wrong- wingers have been up all night, drinking their watered-down, foul- tasting (but cheap, and a NASCAR sponsor!) Busch Lite.
I doubt that that fact has much to do with the perfectly dismal quality of the discourse being spilled forth like an advancing BP oil spill (lookin' right atcha, Kimber!); these folks can't write a simple declarative English sentence to save their lives on their best days, even when they have sobered up enough to drive Maw to church.
And the Progressives? Well, I only got up to feed my Pugs; I expect most other Progs are still abed, sleeping soundly as they only do who sleep the sleep of the just... or the just finished.
Well, little right- wingers, while the cat's away... rave on, n' God bless ya! I hope Santa brings you all Norplant and vasectomy gift certificates for Christmas.
Oh Fox, Some would say progressives only come to post during working hours.
Pork fried Rice or Kerry sauce..Theirboth Communist, just like the obama just like comrade foxtroski..
Ain't that the truth jrl, they have nothing to do all day except browse Newsvine, and post hate filled spew.
Says the republicans posting hate filled spew.
Oh, for God's sake, I can't believe I actually have to explain this again. (Ahem!)
Gudprsn- one more time. The Keystone pipeline is intended to transport Canadian tar sand slurry (NOT oil) to an American refinery in Texas, where it will be turned into gasoline, diesel, bunker oil, jet fuel (all products useful to a military machine, hmmm?) and loaded onto Liberian or Panamanian flagged tankers for tranport, sale and consumption in- wait for it!- the People's Republic of China!
Not only does the Keystone pipeline have ZERO impact on energy/fuel prices in the United States, it's providing large quantities of fuel for a repressive communist state. Just because they make damn near every single thing you're going to give or get for Christmas, doesn't mean they're our friends or wish us well. (Ask your dog if the Chinese are our friends. What's that- Rover passed away? Stomach ailment? SO sorry to hear it.)
The tar sand slurry is petroleum- based mystery meat mixed with incredibly toxic suspension agents that I can't spell and YOU couldn't pronounce. Given the dead cetainty of a major spill on this pipeline (because every pipeline fails somewhere, sometime), we'd be looking at the permanent poisoning of the largest freshwater aquifer in North America. Once tainted with that witches' brew of petrochemicals, that aquifer is poisoned forever. There is no way to clean it up, and the potential extent of the damage is impossible to calculate accurately.
Don't want to take my word for it? Can't say's I blame ya. Why don't you check out what the Upper Midwest grain and cattle producers (not exactly a bunch of tree-hugging enviroweenies, those guys) and Governor Dave Heineman have to say about it? Don't assume that just because most Lefties are against something, that automatically means that it's something good and desirable. The Keystone pipeline is bad news for the kind of people who drink water or eat food- anybody else, don't worry about it.
Fox, they're NEVER going to get it! They think it's going to bring jobs, jobs, jobs and it will until the thing is built. After that it's just Canadian oil flowing through pipes in America to Canadian ships that will sell that oil to the highest bidder. I'm guessing China or Brazil.
But hey, since the liberals are aware of this and aren't supportive, it's something for the right haters to jump on.
Well just kiss my grits! The righteous right attacking the "libs"...what a shock..I'm so surprised !!
I am no fan of Rice - or of the Administration - but fair is fair. The woman owns jointly with her husband between 3 and 6 hundred thousand dollars of the pipeline company. For Bill McKibben, the "anti-pipeline activist," to say she has "millions" invested in Trans Canada, is typical of left-wing loudmouths who exaggerate, prevaricate, obfuscate and denigrate anyone or anything that has a different opinion or posiion than the one supported by these all-knowing and omnipotent "experts."
Ignore the postulators of doom and just ask questions about the competency of the person for the job, their honesty and trustworthiness, their professional qualilfications. If a conflict of interest rears its head, make sure it is resolved before the appointment. But don't blow everything out of proportion just to score political points or hype a news article.
Pre..what? Obf...what? Deni...what? Exag...what? Enamoured by one's own intelligence? WHAT?? DUH !!
Tree huggers? Well, bless your heart!
Before any judgement is made wait and see what comes out of it..and to those who throw race into it is that all you can do or say? That is really dumb...and proves nothing.
To those of you on the left... Why aren't you defending Mrs. Rice? Is it that she has out lived her usefulness? Or is it that she is trying to make $$$ off of something that you don't like?
its too early for them liberals, they dont awake till noon.
I love you Republicans I was almost agree with you on this issue but you nemrods never know when to shutup!
wow, look what we have here. a couple weeks ago democrats in washington and here in these forums were all for rice. seems corruption isnt too far from the republican party, its right across the isle.
what to do, what to do...should we go with rice or go with kerry? hmmm....but wait, isnt kerry one of those rich people that just bought a new yacht from another country and had it docked off the RI shore to avoid MA. taxes.
which way should we go?
Kerry, show us yours and your wife's tax returns!!!!
Oh, the hypocrisy of the left...and then they complain about Romney...too funny.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/23/john-kerry-saves-500000-b_n_656985.html
Why do you want Kerry's tax returns? Didn't you republicans just tell us with Romney that tax returns don't matter?
Obozo should nominate Al Sharpton for Sec. of State, and make everyone happy.
Hansome Jaques--good idea! At least we all can RECOGNIZE when he is lying.
It's whenever he accuses a white guy of raping an "innocent'' black girl.
I second the nomination.
Lmao!!! Hansome that is soooo wrong on several different levels!! Can you see that fool going over to the Middle East? Can you see him going over to England and trying to fist bumb Prince Charles and giving the Queen a loving slap on her *ss telling her she's his main *itch? Considering Michelle felt it appropriate to give the Queen a big ole' hug, does it really matter anymore who are in key positions in this country? How I love this country, but damn we are in some deep trouble.
And yet it was Mitt the twit who went to England and embarrassed us all and the republicans wanted him for president.
What do you think Biden does every time he opens his mouth???????????????? Nothing intelligent comes from him at all and he IS our VP!
Too funny!! but don't put it past them. Al Sharpton, Secretary of State and racist agitator.
Or how about Jesse Jr? He is out of a job now.
Maybe just maybe the liberals are being racist here, just because she has stock in the pipeline from Canada. Wow! now isn't this something. These people are all morons including Rice.
Only a racist, speculator and someone looking to start chaos would infuse the liberal in such an attack.
Liberals are educated and above racism because for the simple matter of fact racism is a Satanic quality of being above someone else because of skin color as well as being a quality of rape because we all know that racists above all else hate seeing two people of different skin color together and creating life and will do anything to break such a unity apart thus forcing the two humans into a situation where they then, against their own will are forced to create life which involves a sexual encounter where the racist now turned rapist forces their belief upon both people through the act of sex which is the determining factor of a racist.
Dream on because you do not have any idea of what you are talking about.
A couple of things.
First a lot of the pipeline has already been built or is being built, in states where it only requires local approval.
Second the oil from Canada is being transported by train at the moment, which is riskier a pipeline which they drew a new route for off the aquifer or a train which can wreck anywhere?
Lastly Kerry's wife is a billionaire, think she might have some oil interests in her portfolio?
Good post!
And this pipeline fiasco is all for show and politics. There are already upwards of 25,000 miles of various pipelines over and through the aquifer already.
http://www.keystonexlnebraska.com/the-facts/the-ogallala-aquifer
And.............................John Kerry is a pitiful liar and asswipe.
When are people here go to wake up and see Obama and his tasking of his people is control of the Poor, Being a Lair is need on too be proven before he will advance you closer to his Inner circle.
This man and surround people are thrash that dress well and lie great.It's not about the poor it's all about Power , Money and control and you DOPES all think he is for you, How dumb He is so far in the 2% and so is his wife and you really think he knows you..He just knows you Dopes will buy what ever snake oil he is selling and vote again until is last vote we see of making him the dictator.
"The likelihood is that, if nominated, Rice will have to divest herself of her TransCanada investment to avoid a conflict of interest."
That is the only important part of this story! The rest is just filler and meaningless.
PS: The SS Rice, a Chevron oil tanker, was named after Condi---- not Susan!
If anyone still thinks climate change is not real or that huge environment disasters do not occur and do not cost Billions of dollars...add "legitimate fact" to "legitimate rape" to the things the body can reject. It is common sense to take a long hard look at the pipeline that would have to run down the middle of the U.S. for this and it is also common sense for Rice to have to rid herself of the (perfectly legal) investment she made if nominated.
It is also logical for environmental groups to push for any advantage thy may get and for the potential nominee they like (who is also btw the same potential nominee preferred by Republicans in the Senate. The only question is how much political capital POTUS will want to spend with more pressing issues like the fiscal cliff,immigration and infrastructure issues on the table in a hyperpartisan environment..."so much to hate about in this particular article" said no one with common sense...
The Climate of the sun last 2 years and the flares we been hit with is the only real warming of the Earth!
Just like she is high ranking power in State Dept. and got rid of them already , Wow that is common sense but you have no real sense
Ken: On the pipeline: Let us just say we agree to disagree - with the exception of needing to protect the aquifer.
On the other items, I would have more respect for the ecologists if they were not so bloody hypocritical, have a tendency to plagiarize their research, or sit still when radical elements destroy property - which at times even further threaten the species they are supposedly trying to save. Burning ski lifts in a dry forest is not going to save a species - it probably will destroy the forest instead....
A while back I stopped at a mountain resort in Colorado for some coffee. and what does one see? A whole lot of gigantic vehicles (SUV's) with coastal-state license plates with stickers preaching about ecology (all the while noting my 20-year old Topaz, which I still have to nurse-maid and drive because my pay is very low) I am grateful to still have a Job, but fear if the ecologist continue to run amok, I will be on the street as well.
"The decision on whether to approve the pipeline goes through the State Department."
Something is wrong here. The State Department's role is to carry out the official policy of the government, whatever it is, not to make it. Is the tail wagging the dog?
He is spending all of his political capital on the taxing the rich silliness
Meanwhile the republicans spend all their political capital on using the middle class as a hostage to keep tax rates low on the 2%.
Why should all of America suffer and sacrifice while the rich get more tax cuts? Aren't they Americans too? Shouldn't all Americans support America? Why should Romney pay 9% tax rate while you and I pay closer to 30%?
It is not as if we don't all know that the republicans are protecting their campaign donor base and could not care less what happens to America.
It not because Romney's tax differently. Rich folks give more and can write off more. They place their money in secured investment that give them tax shelters. ALL rich people do it. I would too! We shouldn't penalize them because they are smart with their money. We need to penalize those that live off the government since birth!
Some say the climate is just going through cycles (RepubliCONs)
others say the climate is changing (global warming or climate change) - Dems
actually both agree on something - that is - the climate is changing - either going through cycles or warming up!!!!
So with the climate changing there could be a real problem when December 21st, 2012 arrives. According to myth and prophecy something other than the end of the Mayan Calendar occuring will happen.
Could it be that the Mayans were correct and that shifting of Earth's magnetic poles will cause severe environmental destruction?
There has been alot of climate changes in the last decade or so that can be tracked using simple tools such as the Farmers Almanac that records precisely and without conspiracy the seasons weather patterns so that farmers can plan their next years crops.
I am certain that the Farmers Almanac will show global warming trends and patterns associated with pollution as well a natural events such as the Earths magnetic poles slowly end over ending until both flip to the opposite location on Earth.
13 days away from M-Day.
If it has to come to this imagined 'real problem,' then -
Cats and dogs go to heaven, all pigs go to hell....oink...that hurts.
PIGOTRY 25.8:
I agree. It's actually the weather pattern changes that worry me. Not predictable....I also believe that it could be caused by Earths cycle with a touch of human produced pollution.
I suggest you take a basic college level weather class and you will not longer be saying just a touch of human produced pollution.
I challenge any non believer to walk into a closed greenhouse on a sunny day and come out even half hour later and tell me the greenhouse effect isn't real.
Some believe that if not for some greenhouse effect that earth would be too cold to live on. But as we clog the atmosphere with man made gases we humans make the effect worse.
Some of the predictions the climate scientist have made are already coming true. Droughts were the first thing they predicted then the stronger and more frequent storms like Sandy. In the history of New York, they had never had a storm like Sandy.
The ocean currents are already warming and slowing. When they stop it is predicted that is when the ice age will began again in the north.
I suggest we take this seriously as I don't have another planet to move to after we destroy this one, do you? The republicans want you to worry about the debt left for your grandkids, but never seem to think about the condition of the planet we are leaving them.
Relax, folks. Mother nature will set things right .......... although it may be at the expense of our continued existence. She has always been in control and will always be in control of our future along with God Almighty. The human race is very near to finding out how insignificant we are. May God bless us all.
It is funny to me that more attention has been paid to Susan Rice who is not running and has not been nominated for anything than was given to both Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney who were running for the highest offices in the land. She must be awfully good at what she does or why the attention? It is good to vent people as we know what happened with Palin especially but so far has anything found anything but good from Susan Rice? So she invested in the pipeline. I think that is better than hiding her money offshore and investing in deals with Iran. And did she try to hide this fact? Policitians make me tired.
Yeah and I hear yesterday Sarah Palin asked who Pearl Harbor was.
Sister Sarah thought the Germans had bombed Pearl Harbor.
Barack Obama said he had been to all 57 states........idiot!