Jeb Bush to chair National Constitution Center; gets non-partisan nod from Bill Clinton

 

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, rumored to be mulling a 2016 bid for president, will become chairman of the National Constitution Center, according to a press release from the center.

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Bush will succeed former President Bill Clinton as chairman and follow in his father George H.W. Bush's footsteps, who served in the role before Clinton.

Clinton praised Bush's ability to work with supporters "regardless of party" in the release. 

"It has been a great honor to serve as the Center's Board Chairman for the past three years," Clinton said, "and I couldn't be more pleased that Gov. Bush will lead this world-class museum into the future. Gov. Bush will be an eloquent spokesman for the Center's mission and will work well with all of the Center's supporters regardless of party."

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Is this more maneuvering from another Bush for a bid for the presidency? I don't care who endorses the man, we cannot afford another Bush in the WH! No matter what, the apple doesn't fall far from either tree.

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#1 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 1:31 PM EST

Why? Jeb Bush violated constitution in 2000, helping his brother to steal the election.

All Jeb does is talking nonsense (Jebbrish).

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#1.1 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 1:37 PM EST

Why would Clinton want to endorse Jeb?

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#1.2 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 1:39 PM EST

For the same reason that Senator McCaskill started running ads against Todd Akin during the Republican primary in Missouri.

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#1.3 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 1:41 PM EST

Michael, I respect your keen sense of politics, so I will defer to your thinking. When you put it in this context it does actually make sense. Bill Clinton is a very shrewd politician, and let's all remember, Bill and Hillary are a great team and a force to be reckoned with.

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#1.4 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 1:47 PM EST

Well, I lost all respect for Bill Clinton...

    #1.5 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 1:57 PM EST

    I think you will find yourself in the minority with that comment, sweetie.

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    #1.6 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:03 PM EST

    The country, thankfully, is still not ready for another bumbling Bush. It is too early, Jeb carries too much baggage from the other Bush. He may run but he will not be the GOP nominee.

    Going back to predictions, mine on who the GOP will run for President...

    Chris Chrisite, Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio - In the end there can only be one. However, all would fall to a woman named Clinton.

    On local matters, I understand that George P. Bush, Jebbie's boy is running for Texas Railroad Commissioner a step toward Texas Comptroller or Lt. Governor in the future. Unfortunately, this transplanted Floridian, no nothing has the financing and name recognition in Texas to win.

    • 13 votes
    #1.7 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:08 PM EST

    The country, thankfully, is still not ready for another bumbling Bush. It is too early, Jeb carries too much baggage from the other Bush.

    couldn't agree more Yellowdog!

    • 9 votes
    #1.8 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:11 PM EST

    Amen, brother, on the first part of your post. Bah Hum Bug! on the last paragraph! I wish the Bush clan would stop breeding! It is bad for our country!

    • 11 votes
    #1.9 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:13 PM EST

    On the bright side, if Jeb becomes President (lol, sorry) then Bush can blame Obama for his f@#$ ups again...and so we will come full circle.

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    #1.10 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:26 PM EST

    Well, isn't that just special! LOL

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    #1.11 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:52 PM EST

    "Jeb Bush officially changes last name to "Smith" in preparation for 2016 run."

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    #1.12 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:54 PM EST

    TO: Lil Michelle who wrote:

    "Why would Clinton want to endorse Jeb?"

    My question exactly.

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    #1.13 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:43 PM EST

    Well we have another realm of King Obama I in the white house along with Queen bubble-butt, the leader of the vacation spending plan along with him.

    Let the GOP House and Senate members vote the Obama "present" and let the progressives solve the cliff thing. Continue forward over it to provide the legacy for the Barry. After all, we will catch the blame for everything as usual.

    All Hail the King and Queen.

      #1.14 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 4:19 PM EST

      The real problem with Jeb Bush is that he needs some serious image rehabilitation. While people are not discussing it right now, Jeb Bush was in Venezuela as the "bag man" (the person who transferred the actual cash) from Poindexter and North to the Contras. This was a huge amount of money that had come from illegally selling C-130, F-14, and F-5 parts along with Hawk missile parts and upgrades to Iran. The money was then passed to the Contras in their fight against the Sandanistas. The Contras' goal was to buy Colombian cocaine with the money and then sell it in the US to scale up the amount to what was necessary to buy arms.

      Unfortunately Poindexter and North scraped a lot off the top. Rumors indicate that Jeb did the same. And then the Contra leadership did the same again. The end result was too little money to buy enough cocaine to sell to make enough money to do any damage to the Sandanistas.

      The Iran-Contra Affair was presumably run by GHW Bush as Reagan's Vice-President and using Jeb as a money man was the natural thing to do. While he was in Venezuela Jeb met and married his Venezuelan wife who is also a problem. She has been convicted of felony smuggling three times --- the last while Bush was Governor of Florida.

      There is also the close financial involvement that Jeb had with Neil and Sharon Bush (along with GHW Bush himself and GW Bush) in the Silvarado Savings and Loan Scandal. Neil and Sharon were indicted on criminal charges, but GHW got the charges dropped in return for a $50,000 settlement (and a cost to the taxpayer and stockholders of over $2.8 billion.

      All these and other things will be discussed if the right wingers want to run Jeb for President. That whole family has a really checkered past in terms of breaking the law. Only Marvin and Dottie seem to have become honmest adults.

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      #1.15 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 4:35 PM EST

      Yes Chris...The old "Rumor has it" and "presumptions"...I mean there were rumors that Clinton got his weener played with in the Oval Office....

      Wait.....That was so presumptious of me...

      Wait...No it wasn't.....

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      #1.16 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 4:54 PM EST

      Well.. I'm not excited by another Bush, yet As a life long Democrat. I have to admit he was a good governor. Did a good job here in FL.

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      #1.17 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 4:56 PM EST

      Sadly we all have heard of social class warfare, and now there is a new class: the political class which has no boundaries within and between themselves. and are not against other classes but certainly are for themselves. And we thought they were fighting for us.......

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      #1.18 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 6:35 PM EST

      Or with old-timer disease, Bill thinks he's found Monica again....

        #1.19 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 6:44 PM EST

        rustyboy

        Well.. I'm not excited by another Bush, yet As a life long Democrat. I have to admit he was a good governor. Did a good job here in FL.

        I have to agree with you. He did tell his bother "NO WAY IN HELL". When his brother said he wanted to allow oil rigs off the coast of Florida.

          #1.20 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 7:46 PM EST

          Really ignorant to judge a man based on his last name? As a Floridian I can tell you this man is a very very smart leader,competent and fair and in my opinion the best governor we have ever had. this country would be very fortunate if this man would attain the title of US president.

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          #1.21 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 11:56 PM EST

          I'm surprised anyone would call Bush a good Governor. Florida has one of the worst unemployment rates in the country. Bush slashed education funding, reduced the tax base, gutted growth management laws. He changed the way judges are chosen, resulting in one of the worst judicial scandals in Florida in recent years. He put in place a term limits system that gave us one of the least qualified and most corrupt Legislatures in recent years. Our springs are running dry, our roadways are dangerous and over-crowded. He "privatized" some services, in many cases costing the taxpayers more, and gave contracts to his campaign contributors. This is the sad Bush legacy -- he talks a good game, and does the opposite.

          • 3 votes
          #1.22 - Fri Dec 7, 2012 9:15 AM EST

          Disgusted bush is not the governor of Florida? Check the unemployment rate when he was governor or his approval rating from Floridians.

          • 1 vote
          #1.23 - Fri Dec 7, 2012 1:27 PM EST

          PCB,

          It's not the last name he's being judged by, it's the (R). I think politicians should be treated like contestants on "The Voice". We don't know what party they are affiliated with until after the election!

          • 1 vote
          #1.24 - Fri Dec 7, 2012 2:40 PM EST
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          Well, well, well, now that the election is over, it's safe to utter the name "Bush" again?

          Weird...

          One by one they're crawling out of their undisclosed locations! lol

          • 18 votes
          Reply#2 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 1:31 PM EST

          Feisty - yeah but Jeb is crawling out to make his way to a 2016 bid. It's amazing that ANYONE would even consider running anothe Bush! Shrubs - gotta watch out for the shrubs!!!!

          • 15 votes
          #2.1 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 1:41 PM EST

          Yeah, the election is over, time to beat around the Bushes.

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          #2.2 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 1:46 PM EST

          No, the Bush name is still Mudd.

          • 11 votes
          #2.3 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:05 PM EST

          time to beat around the Bushes.

          And *shake* some shrubs!

          • 7 votes
          #2.4 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:42 PM EST

          And *shake* some shrubs!

          Or uproot 'em.

          • 5 votes
          #2.5 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:02 PM EST

          Let's not forget that the first Bush didn't do such a great job as President in his one term. He did recognize that Reaganomics wouldn't work (voodoo economics, he called it) but hopped on board the Reagan train anyway to be VP. Why would anyone think that a 3rd Bush would be better than the first two? Why take that risk?

          • 10 votes
          #2.6 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:08 PM EST

          unfortunately...maybe they are thinking the third time is a charm.....or should it be 3 strikes and yer out!

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          #2.7 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:22 PM EST

          Why is W the only one in his family that talks like a hick? Everyone else talks like they were educated in the Northeast, which they were.

          • 5 votes
          #2.8 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:26 PM EST

          Ricardo98 - but it won't do any good. Georgie tanked the Bush name - for all eternity (okay for all of our time anyway)!

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          #2.9 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:49 PM EST

          Hmmm. Let's say for the sake of argument that we end up with a Bush/Rubio ticket. GOPers know that the Latino vote may very well have been the tipping point, and Dubya actually did okay with Latino voters. Could be a very interesting primary - especially Paul 'I'm a wonk' Ryan decides to head up his own little run.

            #2.10 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 5:03 PM EST
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            If Bill Clinton continues to praise Jeb Bush, it will be because he thinks Bush would be the most dangerous competitor for Hillary in 2016. In a bit of reverse psychology, he will make Bush less palatable to the right wing that hates him so much.

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            Reply#3 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 1:37 PM EST

            huh?

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            #3.1 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:10 PM EST

            double huh? huh?, lol!

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            #3.2 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:13 PM EST

            Okay... you have to think of this in terms of the psychological effect on the intended audience if you are Bill Clinton.

            1.) Remember, no one is running for anything yet.

            2.) Jeb Bush would probably be the most formidable general election candidate against Hillary.

            3.) The easiest way to get rid of Jeb Bush is to convince the right wing to get rid of him for you.

            4.) One of the easiest ways to get the right wing to 'primary' Jeb Bush is to make them believe that someone they intensely dislike, ie, you - Bill Clinton, actually thinks that Jeb Bush is a swell, bi-partisan guy.

            5.) Hence, talking nice about Jeb Bush 2 years before the primary process is an easy way to plant the idea that Jeb Bush is 'not acceptable' well before the primary process ever starts.

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            #3.3 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:21 PM EST

            Thank you for explaining your theory, Michael. Once I read your comment #3 and thought about it for a few minutes, what you explained to miss piggy was exactly what I had deduced.

            Good thinkin' Lincoln!

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            #3.4 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:36 PM EST

            It could be that both Clinton and Bush are using more brains than most of the commenters, This doesn't have to be a blue state thing. Most conservatives have a strong belief in and respect for the constitution.

            • 1 vote
            #3.5 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:56 PM EST

            And if you all get involved in the Popular Amendment Movement right away, maybe we can get the Election/Campaign Finance Reform constitutional amendment passed before the 2014 elections and definitely before 2016. Federal elections would be restricted to one NATIONAL primary date just eight weeks prior to the General Election, and filing deadline just 60 days prior to the primary. NO campaigning, NO fund-rasing before that filing date. It prevents incumbents from spending their entire time in office campaigning for the next election and keeps our airwaves clean of the election nonsense for all but a four month period (which even that is toooooo long.) Go to www.faircampaignreform.us and get involved NOW.

            Petition for US Constitutional Amendment For Election Reform


            We, the undersigned US citizens, duly registered voters in our respective states/territories, do hereby petition for our state to approve the following amendment to the United States Constitution by the method noted below.

            Election Reform:
            1. Abolish the Electoral College (Repeal Amendment 12)
            2. ONE NATIONAL primary date to be held on the Tuesday eight (8) weeks prior to the General Election day for Congressional offices and for the President. Candidate petitions must be filed with the local/state elections boards 60 days prior to the Primary Election date. Federal election petitions shall be uniform in every state and shall include a “contract with the voters” that spells out clearly what that candidate stands for on all issues that they may have to address in elected office. They shall be held accountable in court for breach of that contract if elected and any/all terms are not met.
            3. NO campaigning allowed for any elective federal office more than 60 days prior to the National Primary Date.
            4. NO campaign contribution shall be donated to any candidate of more than $200 from an individual or $500 maximum from a family (spouses/children living in the same household.) No donations shall be made to a candidate more than sixty days prior to the primary date. No candidate shall contribute from their own funds more than 60% of the total donations from other private individuals.
            5. NO campaign contribution from any PAC, corporation, union, non-profit organization, special interest group, etc. shall be allowed for any elected federal office.
            6. NO third party campaigning (separate PAC ads, corporate ads, etc.) for/against any candidate shall be allowed at any time during or before the election season.
            7. NO party conventions shall be held to select the presidential candidates. The selection must be done at the ballot box in the primary election.
            8. The One Man/One Vote Supreme Court ruling shall be enforced by this Amendment, namely that NO federal candidate selection shall be by any means other than the ballot box on Primary/General Election Dates.
            9. National Party Organizations shall NOT raise money for or donate to specific candidates of their party prior to the dates outlined above.
            10. PAC’s shall NOT be granted tax-exempt status by the IRS, and any non-profit organization who uses their funding for political purposes shall lose their tax-exempt status.
            11. All lobbyists shall be outlawed from influencing Congress at all times.

            This amendment shall be approved ONLY by State Constitutional Conventions to be called within 90 days of this petition being submmitted to a state’s Secretary of State. A minimum of 25% of the registered voters in each state shall be required to further this petition to the respective Secretary of State.

            Name Signature State Address

            Petition for US Constitutional Amendment For Congressional Term Limits


            We, the undersigned US citizens, duly registered voters in our respective states/territories, do hereby petition for our state to approve the following amendment to the United States Constitution by the method noted below.

            Term Limits for Congress:
            1. Representatives to Congress shall serve no more than two two-year terms in the House.
            2. Senators shall be elected to no more than two six year terms in the Senate.
            3. No elected official shall serve more than six terms in office in any combined elected offices (House/Senate/Presidency.)

            This amendment shall be approved ONLY by State Constitutional Conventions to be called within 90 days of this petition being submmitted to a state’s Secretary of State. A minimum of 25% of the registered voters in each state shall be required to further this petition to the respective Secretary of State.

            Name Signature State Address

            Actually according to the article, this is a "non-partisan" MUSEUM that he will be the director of the board for. Apparently the director serves for three years, and Bush's dad preceded Clinton as the Director. So, maybe it was just logical for Jeb to step into his dad's old position? Maybe Chelsea will follow Jeb?

              #3.6 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:58 PM EST

              Gotta keep things in the family after all, hehe.

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              #3.7 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:03 PM EST

              Interesting ideas in your proposed amendment. I can't support it as I believe the electoral college still serves a valid purpose.

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              #3.8 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:04 PM EST

              Michael,

              I agree with one thing you said - Jeb is the only one on the political landscape who is a threat to Hillary.

              The fact of it stuns me after all the damage his brothers have done to this country (let's not forget the little creep involved in the Savings & Loan scandal).

              It is a telling comment about the nature of democracy that people would even consider another Bush.

              • 6 votes
              #3.9 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:08 PM EST

              I've yet to have anyone give a strong argument for maintaining the electoral college. It does NOT protect the voice/vote of the small states any more than a direct vote does. The same goes for rural vs. urban, etc. And if every state makes the move that some states are already considering of splitting the electoral vote instead of winner-takes-all, it further reinforces eliminating the EC. Remember that the EC delegates are still in the hands of the states, and the EC often does NOT represent the will of the people, and 2000 was a classic example of that. We are supposed to be a "representative" government, and that means the SCOTUS ruling of one man/one vote needs to apply to how the Pres/VP is actually elected. The EC in reality violates that OMOV ruling. That is the argument many people in the "abolish the EC" movement use. The two amendments were developed shortly after the CU decision and the vast amounts of money being spent by third party groups and individual candidates in the 2010 federal and state elections, and is based on comments of posters here on Newsvine. As a result of many comments in July 2010, I helped put together the original draft and posted it here. By early August, it had been modified based on further comments here, and I paid for the hosting of the faircampaignreform.us website and posted the amendments there. I have been promoting the Popular Amendment Movement ever since then because, as a resident of a US Territory, I have NO presidential vote, NO Senate representation, and NO vote on the floor of the House, only within whatever committee(s) my "Delegate" can get appointed to. And Congress/President controls our government through the Organic Act. We have little self-control. My support of the PAP is my way of helping to bring about change in our government.

              To me, the important parts of the ECFR amendment is the shortened campaign period, the financing of all federal elections, and the banning of all corporate/union/non-profit/etc. funding of campaigns and third party advertising, as well as banning all lobbyists from contact with Congress at any time. Such Constitutional bans are the only way that the people can take back the power of control of our government.

                #3.10 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:58 PM EST

                Bush = Un necessary War.

                H.W.'s State Dept gave Saddam Hussein the go ahead to invade Kwuait causing Desert Storm and the following.

                GWB ignored intel and set us into Afgahnistan then lied us into Iraq.

                Neil never held high national office, he just started the Saving and Loan crash.

                Just imagine the damage Jeb can do in the White House. He's supposed to be the smart one.

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                #3.11 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 4:25 PM EST

                But it does. Electoral College takes a beating (sometimes deserved) but serves a huge purpose. Take this year for instance, Big Bad Sandy comes blowing into the NorthEast as it did. Now imagine if it hit just a couple of days later and litteraly 10's of millions could not vote instead of hundred's of thousands. That alone could swing a purely popular vote Presidential Race in another direction as the states most impacted were Democrat "blue" states. It did not matter this time for two reasons: 1) not enough voters were kept from voting due to the hardship and 2) The electoral college wasn't affected because the states still went the "color" that they were predicted to.

                In General, the Electoral College is a barrier against fraud perpetuated in one (or a few) states.

                That could have very easily been different.

                  #3.12 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 4:30 PM EST

                  It could be that both Clinton and Bush are using more brains than most of the commenters, This doesn't have to be a blue state thing. Most conservatives have a strong belief in and respect for the constitution.

                  I agree that this is true for most conservatives. Republicans on the other hand don't give a damn about anything but the 2nd amendment.

                  • 1 vote
                  #3.13 - Fri Dec 7, 2012 12:19 AM EST

                  Again doofuses like stork love to bring up Afghanistan when talking about Iraq....2 TOTALLY seperate instances of wars.....Read a little bit and you wouldn't look so ignorant when it comes to World events....

                    #3.14 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:29 AM EST
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                    Let's hope Bush III does enter the POTUS fray in 2016. It will be delightful to see Hillary Clinton tie him into intellectual knots.

                    A lot can change in 4 years. But, right now even raucous Rush is admitting defeat.

                    Quote......RUSH: Ladies and gentlemen, this morning there was a joint press conference that featured the so-called Republican leadership of John Boehner and Eric Cantor and about 15 other people that were standing there. I don't know why, but they were smiling. And what we got today was a seminar on how to surrender.........http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/12/05/the_gop_seminar_in_surrender.......EndQuote

                    It seems that for a newly re-elected POTUS who, according to GOPeaParty sages, has no mandate, President Obama is surely and easily brushing his opposition aside.

                    • 10 votes
                    Reply#4 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 1:38 PM EST

                    Only Rush Limbaugh could perceive doing what is best for the country as "surrender." Psychopath.

                    • 10 votes
                    #4.1 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:07 PM EST

                    I would not get so overconfident even though 2016 is a ways off. A Jeb Bush/Marco Rubio would not be the same ticket to beat like the Romney corporate raider and his B Boy. Jeb is loved in FL and would easily carry that big electoral state. If Biden trys to go against this combo it would be over.

                      #4.2 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:21 PM EST

                      IXLR8

                      A Jeb/Rubio ticket might carry Florida, and ONLY Florida. I could see that happening easily. Talk about appealing to one small segment of the population! One state, basically.

                      • 7 votes
                      #4.3 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:28 PM EST

                      IXLR8 - so Bush would carry one state. No gonna worry about that. The rest of the country will still remember dear Georgie Boy and no Bush is going to beat Hillary!

                      • 6 votes
                      #4.4 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:29 PM EST

                      No, they would take the Spanish vote President Obama needed badly. I am not wishing this just saying be prepared. The next round won't be like the Romeny slaughter.

                        #4.5 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:39 PM EST

                        Bush can't run with Rubio. The Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates can not have residence from the same state.

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                        #4.6 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:19 PM EST

                        doyouhaveaclue - actually they can both run from the same state. However, the electorate from that state may not vote for both of them.

                        • 1 vote
                        #4.7 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:51 PM EST

                        IXLR8: I do not believe that just because Rubio would be on the ticket that they would get the Latino vote. The Latino community is a very smart and savvy group and most are not going to vote for someone just because he happens to be a Latino. And, the more that Rubio opens his mouth and people get to really know him on a national level, the less I think anyone would color in the circle next to his name.

                        • 2 votes
                        #4.8 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 4:09 PM EST

                        Marco Rubio is a Cuban Castro refugee. Or, so he says. He has yet to get that story straight.

                        http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2011/oct/21/marco-rubio/sen-marco-rubio-said-his-parents-came-america-foll/

                        In any case, he doesn't have a lot in common with most Hispanic immigrants. They have a word for folks like him.

                        Don't forget: Herman Cain is black and Michelle Bachmann is a woman. Clearly, ethnicity nor gender is enough.

                        • 1 vote
                        #4.9 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 4:31 PM EST

                        SeekingSanity, Thanks for the clarification. I found an interesting article about it.

                          #4.10 - Fri Dec 7, 2012 10:32 AM EST
                          Reply

                          Pigotry do you have any proof to back up you're post #1-1

                            Reply#5 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:03 PM EST

                            You should talk to Hackers Anonymous, who stopped Rove from stealing Ohio and Florida this election too.

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                            #5.1 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:07 PM EST

                            Hackers Anonymous they are a reliable source. Waiting for your response Pigotry.

                              #5.2 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:57 PM EST
                              Reply

                              Lol I thought that dude was retarded..

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                              Reply#6 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:15 PM EST

                              Bush and Clinton are part of very old-school networks. Remember that Clinton is a Rockefeller and the Bushes are connected at the highest levels to royalty and aristocracy across the globe. Remember that John D. Rockefeller and Prescott Bush plotted a Nazi coup in America in the 1930s. These two classical FASCIST families have long been associated with plans to usurp the constitutional government.

                              Both families are Bilderbergers, both are extremely wealthy and and influential and have played a prominent role in shaping the modern world. The plan here is to make sure that puppets hold the highest ranks in both parties so matter which wing of the #republicrat party wins, the elites maintain control and the masses remain in the dark.

                              I DARE YOU TO RESEARCH THIS!

                              • 6 votes
                              Reply#7 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:25 PM EST

                              You've been watching Glenn Beck again, haven't you? Only Beck could spew this kind of garbage!

                              • 3 votes
                              #7.1 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:49 PM EST

                              I've never watched Glen Beck... prior to being an independent I was a super-far-left-leaning liberal. Now I see that the whole game is rigged and that even the supposed far-left is in favor of unending-war and a system that favors the wealthy over the working man. Talking points sure seem nice on the left, but the policies are identical to those on the right.

                              • 4 votes
                              #7.2 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:51 PM EST

                              You may see the whole game; but, you can't just make up facts. What you posted is not true.

                              • 2 votes
                              #7.3 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:53 PM EST

                              Sue, please show me how it's untrue. I'm happy to consider any evidence you have.

                              • 2 votes
                              #7.4 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:56 PM EST

                              Here's a better idea. What are your sources? Bill Clinton says his father was William Blythe. This conspiracy theory comes from a bunch of far, far right wingnuts....and I'm gonna say it again, it sounds like it comes straight out of Glenn Becks brain!

                              • 3 votes
                              #7.5 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:12 PM EST

                              Sue, let's do some Math. WJ Blythe Jr. was not even in the United states when Bill Clinton would have been conceived. He was stationed in Italy until January of 1946. If President Clinton was conceived immediately upon his alleged father's return from active duty Bill was born at 32 weeks gestation. In 1946 a child that was only that far along would have a less than 1% chance of surviving and would likely have weighed under 4 pounds at birth. Do you follow the math? After your next response I'll get to the next part.

                              • 2 votes
                              #7.6 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 4:03 PM EST

                              Just research Bilderberg, Knights of Columbus, Knights Templar, and Illuminati. It is a real eye-opener, and both Clinton and the Bush family are members of all of them. This is one good place to start:

                              http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-true-story-of-the-bilderberg-group-and-what-they-may-be-planning-now/13808

                              • 1 vote
                              #7.7 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 4:20 PM EST
                              Reply

                              Anonymous Economist - so you're buying into the rumor posed by a nutcase that Clinton is a Rockefeller? OMG you are totally delusional. Let me guess? Bet you're a Republican!

                              • 3 votes
                              Reply#8 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:41 PM EST

                              lulz. I've never been a republican. I see through the single-party system. I dare you to do the research. Open your eyes and look at the system. The same families have ruled America since 1913... some families going back to 1871. Do some digging.

                              • 3 votes
                              #8.1 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:44 PM EST

                              William jefferson Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. He was co-opted by the Council on Foreign Relations then. Rhodes' societies adopted the Rockefellers. How would Bill know WHO his father was? Did anyone do any DNA testing?

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                              #8.2 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:31 PM EST
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                              Even if I liked the Bushes, which I most emphatically do not, I would never vote for the 3rd member of one family for president in my lifetime. The Clinton's better decide, Hillary in 2016 or Chelsea in 2026---LOL!!!

                              • 4 votes
                              Reply#9 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:47 PM EST

                              Chelsea 2016?

                              • 3 votes
                              #9.1 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:22 PM EST

                              already tired of Obama

                                #9.2 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:36 PM EST

                                NO ROYALTY in America! No more Bushes, NO MORE CLINTONS, no more OBAMAS.

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                                #9.3 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:44 PM EST
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                                His education program in FL - FAILURE - unless you are one of the stockholders of his 'associates' companies making bank from FL's Public Education Funds.

                                Touts that he is self-made - As much as anyone from Kennebunkport, ME - FAILURE

                                Taking the job to fill his own Self-Interest of running for President in 2016 - WIN

                                End of the world as we know it - ANOTHER BUSH OIL ROBBER BARON IN THE WHITE HOUSE

                                • 4 votes
                                Reply#10 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:53 PM EST

                                Just PROPERLY investigate 9/11/2001, and we'll never have to worry about any Bush running for any elected office in America, ever again. Never forget, 9/11/2001 was an INSIDE JOB using DEW that al- qaida doesn't have.

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                                #10.1 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:41 PM EST
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                                Unfortunately the wrong Bush brother became president. I doubt because of big brother that Jeb will ever be POTUS.

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#11 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:14 PM EST

                                So if Fredo had become the Godfather after Vito, there would be no chance for Michael?

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                                #11.1 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:30 PM EST
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                                NO mo bushes, RINO's and Obama, and Clinton's! and Kennedy's. I am tired of these so called family dysentery!

                                I am a life long Republican, but I will not vote for another RINO ever! if that means the demonrats win so be it, there is no difference between a RINO and a demonrat. and Bush and his buddies are ALL RINO's. I want to make them extinct, or truthful and make them demonrats.

                                  Reply#12 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 3:47 PM EST

                                  What is it about these people who seem to think the country just can't function with out them or a member of their family in some office and on some public payroll? Kennedy, Bush, Jackson, Daley, Brown, Quayle...there must be many more. They just will not go away and actually earn a living on their own in the private sector. Too much work?

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#13 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 4:00 PM EST

                                  Just the sight/sound of the name Bush makes me nauseous, 2016 no, no, no, no!

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#14 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 4:04 PM EST

                                  There will never be another Brush W.H.! No way, Not gonna happen! Jeb is just another taker like his brothers...

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#15 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 4:06 PM EST

                                  I'd be careful about proclamations of "never" in regard to US politics. Remember "You won't have Dick Nixon to kick around anymore."

                                    Reply#16 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 4:27 PM EST

                                    Forget all the nonsense comments. The National Constitution Center is a GREAT museum on Constitution Square in Philadelphia. It is full of high-tech exhibits that illustrate the history of the Constitution, and the effect on society of our constitutional form of government. You should go to Philly to see it.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#17 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 4:30 PM EST

                                    Hillary vs Jeb Bush in 2016?

                                      Reply#18 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 4:48 PM EST

                                      It's a trap imagine any Bush learning a Constitution.

                                        Reply#19 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 5:00 PM EST

                                        Who really cares about museums? How about first working on surviving the next four years. Remember the man's followers & wife,"Heil Obama! This statement alone says enough for true freedom. I just hope our country doesn't end looking like the Middle East where the so called arab spring is allowing the Muslim Brotherhood to take root in the ruling class. Hey how is the president allies doing? At least the people there are willing to fight instead of kissing butt for a few benifits.

                                          Reply#20 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 5:15 PM EST

                                          Don't you see how that benefits the elites in America and provides an excuse for expanded police powers and limitation of rights? Don't you see how that provides justification for raising the debt-ceiling and committing even more of your tax-money to funding sweetheart deals for defense contractors? It's all intentional, DJ. International events are always controlled by the ruling elites. they're all cousins or at the very least have a multi-generational family partnership. All of the talking-points and narratives are created in order to influence public opinion to support/condemn specific actions. Do you really think Assad has broken-out the chemical weapons? This story is just like Iraq's WMDs... manufactured to provide a justification for war. War is super-profitable if you're the bank which finances both sides.

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                                          #20.1 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 5:26 PM EST
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                                          Remind me again why Bill Clinton is so special. Didn't he lie to the American people over and over? With his history of using women, why is he not vilified?

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#21 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 5:26 PM EST

                                          Bill wants Jeb to be the one to run against Hillary

                                          Bill knows America would NEVER put another bush in the White House, no matter WHO the Dems would run against ol' jeb.

                                          why are republicans so easy to set up? Didn't they learn anything from the last election?

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#22 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 5:27 PM EST

                                          you mean "why are americans so easy to set up?" You're playing right into it... It's only an illusion of choice. No matter which candidate is put in office, the elites win and YOU lose.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #22.1 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 5:59 PM EST

                                          I highly doubt you are one of the "elites" which means YOU lose every day.

                                          Spose you'd better kill yourself then, huh?

                                          :D

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                                          #22.2 - Fri Dec 7, 2012 1:16 PM EST

                                          of course I'm not an elite... and i lose the same battles you do. The difference is that you think you have a fighting chance and I see that the battle was lost long ago and what we're witnessing is a scrimmage between players who are all on one team but pretend to be on two.

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                                          #22.3 - Fri Dec 7, 2012 4:22 PM EST

                                          Don't we want them to work as one team? I want my reps to have more moderate and mainstream views away from the fringes that would make them even more idealogically opposed.

                                          Both parties have differing ideas or you wouldn't see the gridlock we have today. It's our process, and it's worked (although it doesn't always appear to be working) for over 200 years.

                                            #22.4 - Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:13 AM EST

                                            Mike, it's manufactured gridlock. The banksters pay the left to hold the line... they pay the right to hold the line... if either side was actually interested in making life better for Americans, we'd have a utopia by now, but in a utopia there's no ruling bankster class, so the current global masters will never allow it to happen until they're imprisoned or executed for crimes against humanity.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #22.5 - Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:54 PM EST

                                            Way too much conspiracy theory for me. Bankers are ordinary people like, well my wife (yes there ar ulra wealthy at the top but not as many as you think). I am a liberal democrat and I assure you my wife is not evil and conspiring to take over the world, except when she is yelling at me.

                                            The problem is the current level of rhetoric, everybody thinks the other guy is out to screw him or her on both sides. This situation is no doubt caused by the panic, loss of wealth, and stress caused by the financial collapse. People look for someone to blame. All were complicit, gov, banks, and people who leveraged up to buy homes they knew they couldn't afford and then took out home equity loans on top of that.

                                            Give it time, this too shall pass, things will get better.

                                              #22.6 - Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:56 PM EST

                                              Again with the everybody is to blame so no one is to blame, ruse. Your wife is doubtfully a central banker, nor an executive with an investmant bank, nor a member of the Federal Reserve Bank. If you or your wife actually believe that people getting mortgages and equity loans for houses and real estate, that they then found out that they couldn't afford is what caused the collapse of Bear Sterns, Lehman Bros, and AIG, you are badly misinformed and your wife should find a new career.

                                              "Securitization" got out of control, due to GRAMM(R)LEACH(R)BLYLE(R) and the Commodities Futures Modernization Act. Senator Byron DORGAN(D) warned us that within a decade of these bills' passage we would see the bubble collapse and the banks require GOVERNMENT BAILOUTS.

                                              Who built the oversupply of housing inventory, when there were so few credit worthy borrowers???

                                                #22.7 - Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:59 PM EST
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                                                It's probably just as I thought: There's only one political party in America, white men owned and controlled!

                                                When the political labels are removed, its quite easy to distinguish exactly who's interests carry the day, and exactly who benefits the most!! This has been true from the first day, America the Free Republic was conceived and built!

                                                • 1 vote
                                                Reply#23 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 5:31 PM EST

                                                The "white factor" really doesn't matter as much as the wealth factor. It just happens that the wealthy masters happen to be white... but make no mistake, they'll screw over a poor white guy just as quickly as a poor black, brown, red or yellow guy. We're all just serfs to them. It's not racism you need to fear, but classism.

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                                                #23.1 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 6:01 PM EST
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                                                I am a lifelong Democrat but Jeb Bush never struck me as an unreasonable person with extreme views. Name doesn't matter, he is not W, and he is not his HW, who by the way not a bad president.

                                                  Reply#24 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 6:20 PM EST

                                                  But how appropriate that he is now running a museum, If he is nominated for the GOP role in 2016, he will fit right in with the anachronism the GOP should be by then.

                                                    Reply#25 - Thu Dec 6, 2012 6:35 PM EST
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