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A pair of House Republicans stripped of their plum committee assignments lashed out Tuesday at the GOP leadership, suggesting they were punished for insisting on fealty to conservative principles.
NBC's Mark Murray reports House Speaker John Boehner has removed four House GOP committee chairmen in what's being described as a 'power move' against members who weren't 'team players.'
Reps. Tim Huelskamp, R-Kan., and Justin Amash, R-Mich., huddled with conservatives after the Republican Steering Committee removed them from their seats on the House Budget Committee.
"It's petty, it's vindictive and if you have any conservative principle, you'll be punished," Huelskamp said at a briefing for conservatives at the Heritage Foundation.
Huelskamp and Amash, along with Reps. David Schweikert, R-Ariz., and Walter Jones, R-N.C., lost their seats on the budget panel and House Financial Services Committee after the GOP conference determined they were "not team players," in the words of one Republican aide.
That action has prompted a minor outcry among conservatives, who fear that lawmakers who cross the GOP leadership will be punished for their transgressions. That fear coincides with mounting concern on the right that Republican leaders will cut a "fiscal cliff" deal with President Barack Obama that results in higher taxes, through either increased rates or eliminated deductions.
Amash and Huelskamp said that they learned of losing their spots on those committees by reading reports in the media; they said that no Republican leaders had notified them of the changes.
"I've received not a single call from anyone in leadership, not a single email," Amash said. "I've been not told about what committees I will be on."
The Michigan congressman, who distinguished himself as one of the more libertarian-minded Republican congressmen during his first term in the House, suggested that his independence on issues (including supporting cuts to defense spending) had led GOP leaders to look to "silence" him.
Huelskamp said the suspected a video he produced last week re-affirming his support for a pledge vowing to never raise taxes contributed to his loss of the committee spot. The Kansas conservative furthermore said he feared Republicans might cave on the issue of taxes.
"I think there's going to be an attempt to pass a tax increase through the U.S. House, in exchange for what?" he asked.
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Meow!
Let me see if I understand this...
In today's Republican't party, if you don't suck up to the bat-@!$%# crazy element of the party, you will be punished for representing the values of the constituents who sent you to DC?
Okay, I think I got it now...
*shakes head*
O yay! Circular firing squad ... definitely a popcorn viewing ... and the sequence promises to be better.
Oh, American politics! You just can't make this @!$%# up! Ok, this is bad, but I would love for just one time to see a Japanese style fist-to-cuffs during one of the House sessions! Just once!
And here we thought cannibalism only existed among savages...
There in the distance I see Grover Norquist, teetering on the edge of the Cliff, wildly waving his arms to maintain balance, pressed from behind by Amash and Huelskamp, who are doomed to go over with him. When they fall, not a sound will be heard in the forest below them.
Feisty, care for a refill of popcorn? With or without butter? Who knew CSPAN just launched a reality TV show?
I love the sound of the TP eating dirt. Or is that the sound of the GOP gnawing on the bones of the TP. Either way, music to my ears.
Off topic: Score one for us good "guys"! Mike's little Obama plagiarizing rant has been DELETED! Now that is what I call working together for the good of a community!
Jack: I would imagine that Grover is at this time pretty close to an aneurism!
Hillary 2016!
We are appalled by this Stalinist political purges in the United States.
We are also hopeful because these purge victims show that there are common-sense Republicans inside the GOP. There is hope..and we need all of them to support Obama's common-sense approach to the fiscal crisis - that is tax increases coupled with services cuts.
Put the Rope around the GOP's neck and let them fall !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kind of graphic Patriotic American, but you don't have to put the rope on, they did it to themselves!
AlaskaGirl,
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
A guaranteed win. And really, who better to lead this country after Obama? If she chooses not to run, I would love to see the President appoint her or Bill to the Supreme Court. Wouldn't that get Scalia's blood roiling!
"It's petty, it's vindictive and if you have any conservative principle, you'll be punished,"
Well, the fiscal cliff is serious, and if conservatives are threatening our economic recovery, I'd say, compromise or lose your position at the table.
I still got a BONE to pick with BONER...
He is the unanimous choice to be the WORST SPEAKER in US history. He is finished, the Tea Potty is finished, the GOP right-wing nuts are finished, those Reoublicans stripped today will have a bright future, at least getting their clothes back. Those GOP leaders are emperor with new cloth - I mean those who did the stripping.
why take money from small business? They do NOT make the money that Sport pros, movie stars etc make
Hey BCWC, you're gonna need to do me a favor and drop the I'm a moderate, middle of the road Independent kind of guy you have been peddling here for a while.
You are clearaly a Liberal. A born and bred Canadian Liberal.
Don't try to hide it. You should be proud of it.
Hillary would be an awesome president, and who deserves it more to have the historic significance of being the very first female president of the U.S. than she does? She has all the credentials, including excellent foreign policy experience. And, the coup De grace would be that she would have Bill and president Obama stumping for her!
Hillary 2016!
isn't Paul Ryan Cahir of the Budget Committee?
Maybe he has decided to fish and cut bait to become relevant again?
The good old days we Johnny Cash & Bob Hope, now we have the Tea Loonies with no Cash and no Hope !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, if they're NOT on the Obstructionists Team, then they must be on America's Team.
Where did these RWNJ's get the idea that Congressmen are only supposed to work for 2% of the American People and ignore the other 98%?
Boehner offered all the tax increases Obama wants for $3 in spending cuts. Obama rejected outright.
All spending bills originate in House and Boehner just needs to pass this bill today and send to Harry Reid.
Then everyone is happy. Obama has the rich peoples money and we cut spending.
It is compromise BE HAPPY!
White Collar Auto
I am a moderate, independent liberal who is smart enough to keep away from rabbis and French revolutionaries. You? I am also smart enough to know when my side is wrong and actually post it ... you?
I am a moderate, independent liberal
Nah, not when your busy passing popcorn around....then you fall into the same category as Seeking Approval.......
No such thing as an Independent Liberal, anyway. Or can I claim to be an Independent Conservative??
If you've paid any attention to my posts over the past couple of years you would know the answer to your last question.
Since you say you're smart, maybe you will answer a question for me.
How does making the cornerstone of your fiscal plan, taxing 2% of the population, help solve a $16 Trillion debt problem?
It's all I hear about all day long. Class warfare.
What's a moderate Liberal think about that?
Why not quit the hatred for each side and just get the budget done? The elections are over, accept it.
Get something passed, besides blame, gas and hot air.
This is polarizing and tearing apart a country, which should never happen.
I don't care what party you are on, email, fax or call your congressmen and tell them to get on the ball.
We do not need this crap and uncertainty. There is already enough of that in the world.
If all the people working to get this budget passed had lived where Sandy hit hardest and survived, would they be helping each other to rebuild, or would they just be blaming everyone else?
Congress and the President need to be locked in a room until they have something passed or face having to look for another job. ALL of them. I wonder if the president trying to guide Congress is the same as businesses having to bargain with unions?
I know it is a hard job, but please get it done. Signed: A United States Citizen
And yet Grover gets to sit at the table on Meet the Press and today is on MSNBC!
For cripes sake cut this guy off and put him on ignore already. But I did enjoy watching him squirm on MTP as he was challenged by all including Cramer - atta boy Jim! At one point he babbled so much talking point drivel that the others at the table kept looking at each other dumbfounded by the malarkey that he was spewing. I thought this guy was supposed to be intelligent, good degree and all? Sounded more like he was home-schooled. Plus, he gets flustered so fast when it gets thrown back at him - no speaking or debate qualities at all. He's just another RWNJ that thinks he can get away with saying anything at all without challenge. How'd that work for 'ya in the election?
WCA
It is one of the rungs on the ladder, not the ladder itself. BTW, it is not my fiscal plan. Mine would include massive infrastructure spending. You are a car guy and know what happens when you don't keep it road worthy.
Didn't mean your as in yours. Kind of rhetorical.
That's no rung, it's a platform. TAX THE TOP 2%!!!!!!! Screamed from the Podium, the TeeVee and even the Twitter!!!!!!!
Didn't we pass $800 billion in infrastructure stimulus spending 4 years ago?
How did that work out?
Oh yeah, according to our comic President "Shovel ready was not as shovel ready as we expected"
Yet you want to pour more money into that black hole?
Where you gonna get that pile of money?
Besides, the more cars that get busted up from bad roads, the more new cars are needed. Win-Win for the country.
Auto - Liberal and Progressive are not the same as Democrat and Republican, so yes, you can be an independent liberal or an independent conservative. One can also be, like I am, both liberal and conservative at the same time. I am a social liberal but a fiscal conservative. You apparently have fully bought into the red state/blue state BS of the media that would have us believe that you can only subscribe to one school of political thought on all issues. Some of us are more adult than that and have learned to actually use that organ nested between our ears.
Actually joemike, I have really only ever opined on fiscal matters and election rhetoric here.
Nice of you to assume though that you know who I am and what I believe in based on a single post. Nice condescension, as well.
That's very Liberal of you.
This just shows how divided the GOP and TP really are. The Republicans used the Tea Party hoping to win the election with their support, secretly hating that fanatic fringe all along themselves. Time to get rid of all fringe groups -- right and left -- and get down to some serious compromising, especially from the conservatives. If the GOP doesn't get rid of that treasonous Tea Party now, then the rest of America will do it in 2014 and take down a considerable number of stiff-necked Republicans with it.
WCA,
Back tot he class warfare stuff, I see.
funny when you have "white collar" in your moniker.LOL
I on the other hand have ,DemocraticFarmerLabor, in my moniker and proud of it.
After my radical youth, I walked into the Democratic Party tent and never looked back.
So do you belong to the Independence Party?
And on the side, those who are saying that John Boehner uses a tanning bed, I would beg to differ.
I maintain that he has a golfer's tan -- head, neck, arms, and legs. His torso is probably lily white.
An interesting concept to keep GM from going bankrupt.
WCA, I do appreciate your posts, and I for one am glad to see you on the vine... even if you and I don't see eye to eye, you are passionate about your views and I don't ever remember seeing you call another person names...
To bad your a republican!! :-)
...and so begins the "Cannibalistic Buffet"... where Republicans eat other Republican for not being Republican enough.
It's looking pretty clear that the Republicans in the House are not going to be able to come up with a unified plan, much less that the president and the House can agree on a plan. Yet the fiscal cliff scares the bejeezus out of the financial backers of the GOP. (How will GE, Haliburton, Lockheed, etc., do with a 20% cut in their government contracts?)
I think my prediction is going to become conventional wisdom. There will be a last minute agreement that will make permanent the Bush tax cuts below $250k, and return to Clinton rates above, and all other aspects of the previous budget agreement (the spending cuts) will be shelved, or vague commitments made, or insignificant cuts exaggerated.
We can agree on the tax change, we can't agree on anything else of substance. But Boehner will pay a high price, maybe lose his speakership, and conservatives will spend the next two years talking about the Obama tax hike the way that they've been talking about Obamacare. And all will be happy.
eins zwei drei vier
eins zwei drei vier
I'm sorry I couldn't resist. it's just to funny to see what happens to conservative when they
"step out of line"......so to speak.
From what I've seen, what you've mostly done is a lot of insulting of the people with whom you talk every day.
I have to admit, It's great fun seeing the Republican Party tear itself to pieces. All the Republicans want is power the problem is when they get it they misuse it.
The Republican Party is no longer capable of governing, all their good for now is obstruction and as we have all witnessed their very good at that. If we ever want our government to work again then we absolutely must kick these Republican do nothings out of Washington in 2014.
They'll cut jobs and lay people off.
Whatever the reason for the shake-up, the Daily Show is going to be MUST SEE TV tonight!
Absolutely, Al!
Extra butter please *munch* *munch* ☺
PS: Have you tried bacon *popcorn* yet? Mmmmm!
The republicqan't party better known as the Party of No is starting to eat its own! Conservatives tossed out like fodder. I love it!
@BigAl Las Vegas
I'm not sure a one party system would be good for the country... :-)
And?
Don't you guys think it's about time to stop with the whole, 'American Businessmen are so neurotic that their response to any change in government policy will be mass layoffs' mantra you've been using as the boogeyman for the last 4 years?
White Collar Auto asks:
"Didn't we pass $800 billion in infrastructure stimulus spending 4 years ago?
How did that work out?"
Well, since you asked- it worked out freakin' great! Now, I know that you Obama- haters out there (and please don't insult our intelligence by denying it, WCA- ever since the election you've been backpedaling on your former hard-right positions faster than a forklift can reverse) hate like Hell to be reminded of this undeniable fact, but fully a third of that stimulus money was expended in the form of tax cuts and credits- which is how we got to where we are, with the lowest overall tax burden since that welfare-queen, tax-and-spend pinko Eisenhower.
If it had been a Republican who'd accomplished that, he'd already be on Mt. Rushmore by now.
As for the rest of it? Well, all responsible and honest observers agree that the Obama Stimulus kept an economic collapse from accelerating into a full-blown, worldwide meltdown. Here in my fairly remote corner of the Evergreen State, we got some urgently needed roadwork done, and some critical flood-control measures were taken in hand just in the nick of time. Many other regions experienced similar close scrapes- that stimulus meant the difference between tightening our belts or being in a goddamned bread line, which option would have been just jim-dandy with your Republican legislators.
Still, I understand that you hard-righters would rather eat broken glass than ever give this President credit for anything he's done right. I get it- it's very like how I hated President Cheney, with this vital distinction: The things I hated that blood-stained bastard for were all things he openly bragged about, whereas most everything this President is accused of is cut from a whole cloth- possibly the same cloth that some of your comrades make their robes and hoods from.
Are now claiming that Defense Contractors will not lay off workers in response to $300B in Defense Spending cuts? Or are you just making a general point?
From what I've heard even the most liberal of pundits, Howard Dean, thinks that the CBO is correct and there will be a recession caused by the fiscal cliff. Output will be negative for two quarters or more. However, I do agree with him as a fiscal hawk that anybody who tells you that getting our structural deficit in order will be painless is lying. This is the true problem with Washington. There are no leaders on either side and so will just sail over the cliff and hit the rocks below.
So the Weeper of the House culls the 'knuckeldraggers' (his term) from their positions!
Too funny!
Whiny little babies.
(cue the background music from "Jaws")
FEEDING FRENZY!
FoxTrotsky,
In my little corner of the US, we used the stimulus money for some work along the roadway/scenic walk along the Mississippi River.
And we are into the final year of Light Rail construction from downtown St. Paul to Mpls. This project has employed over 700construction workers and has revitalized the neighborhood along the route. Great things happen when government/business/labor work together.
P.S. I am stumped by your new avatar?
Wow this article really brought out the idiots!
I sure hope some of you conservative posters are actually very wealthy cause I don't think I know of any thing as sad and pathetic as someone who actually punches a clock and works for a living(like most of us do) but still buys into the republicans trickle down supply side bull@!$%# holy job creators lies. @!$%#ing morons can't even tell what is in their own best interests.
Any guesses who "TruthSquad1234 is a re-reg of?
Today is it's birthday... lol
Bingo Michael!
There was a time not long ago (pre-President Obama), when business owners were considered "risk takers", today they're miserly cowards who expect guarantees and a pat on the back, for doing NOTHING!
What's a good fitting phrase to use about now to describe the GOP?
Oh, I got it.
"The Party is over folks. Go home."
They kind of remind me of a fish, out of water flopping around on a pier, fighting it's inevitable death.
Is it wrong that I am mesmerized by and enjoying the sight so so soooo damn much?
i work in the 'infrastructure' business, no it did not work out great. Thanks WCA for trying to bring reason to an irrational board.
That is the conservative principle!
I really don't think that the GOP and the entire right wing realize what they are doing.
People (on both sides of the aisle) should check for themselves on how far the Republicans have fallen from being the Party of Lincoln. Here is the GOP Platform from 1956, the last year in which a "Party of Lincoln" Republican won: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838
Eisenhower won re-election with the GI Bill spending billions on education and new home loans and the interstate highway system ready to begin as stimuli to end the Eisenhower Recession. This was the days of the GOP "Big Tent" that was supposed to have room for everyone. Eisenhower got over 70% of the Black vote, and near 100% of the GBLT vote (remember the Log Cabin Republicans?). No one really knows how many Latino votes he got because the GOP considered Latinos as "white."
Now look at the mess thay call the "G"OP. Not so grand any more. The Big Tent has long been closed. When the Civil Rights Movement began, the GOP made the conscious decision to go after the diseffected white southern male votes (and their echoes, those who consider their heritage "cowboy") but to do so had to drive blacks and gays and others from their midst. And they had to drive out the Latinos by declaring them non-white "Hispanics." It was obvious these people would not feel comfortable with people who saw the KKK as a valid political party.
Now their candidate just got badly thumped and gave proof that the demographics are shifting rapidly away from them. And that's despite massive Republican gerrymandering at the state house level. And the SuperPACs that could pour endless money into the coffers of select candidates. Romney never led in the polls a single day in the entire campaign and trended downward the entire campaign. But more importantly the SuperPAC tactic failed. There was only one above $1 million SuperPAC donor to Obama and he only contributed to the Presidential race. The GOP SuperPACS backed Romney/Ryan, but also 16 Congressional candidates, all Teap Party stalwarts. There were over 30 over a million dollar GOP donors. But every one of the candidates they had backed lost ---- every one. Sheldon Adleson will think twice before trying that again. LOL
But now the GOP is disintegrating before our eyes. It is going to break into four groups: a) The Tea Party, anti-tax but befuddled (~15%), b) The Libertarians who espouse a form of organized anarchy (~5%), c) The Eisenhower Republicans --- all moderates and liberals (~25%), and d) Everyone else --- very similar to how it looks right now, but institutionalized permanently (~65%). This means that essentially in the future Democrats will be running against around 65% of the current GOP minus any defectors to issue candidates from the TP or Libertarians or the Ikes. That does not look good for the future of the GOP.
But it even looks more dismal for the Democrats. This country was initially supposed to be political party-free. The Fouding Fathers had seen that folly in England. But it didn't even last until Washington (actually the eighth President, but the first President from a political party (the Federalists).) Then the continual bickering was on for real. So the system was institutionalized as a two-party system, not a multi-party system (such as in England or Europe). But in talking about "checks and balances" and "compromise" and "consent" we often forget that what we are really talking about is just bickering. But if we slide into a multi-party system with a fragmented GOP, all we will see is bickering as the fights within the GOP blur the fights with the Democrats. Quickly the House and Senate will become 2/3 Democratic and the whole GOP will be moot since not a single vote from them will be necessary to pass any bill. Then the Democrats will control the process with no honest debate to get people thinking about specific political issues and broad social issues. And with no honest debate we might as well be flipping a coin as to whether a bill will be good or bad. To have a strong and productive Democratic Party, a strong and productive Republican Party is a real necessity.
I am worried that the GOP has chosen to dig trenches to defend a losing position.
Gee, CA in my part of the country there were signs all over for construction of roads and such noting that the project was funded by stimulus money. But don't let the truth get in your way, just shake your etch a sketch and lose another election in 14. Congratulations on showing your IQ and your shoe size all in the same one sentence post.
it warms my heart to know that there are moderates inside the GOP ... although they lost their positions...but only temporarily.
[i work in the 'infrastructure' business...]
Sure ya do...because if you did you would have, at your fingertips, just how successful programs like ARRA were, and New York's TIP projects.
But hey...it's the internets...and you "work in the infrastructure business"...LOL!
PIZZA! PIZZA!
These GOP leaders acted exactly the way losers usually act - self-destructive
How about you right-wing extremist Republicans take a ride up to Wisconsin and procure some cheese for that fine whine you've developed. America is sick and tired of these lunatics infiltrating our government. Just look at some of the last names of these individuals and you'd think that their previous ancestors came right out of the Nazi Party or any other communist country during WWII. Its pathetic and should be addressed by removing some of the leeches that undoubtedly have infected the brain stems of their electorate and not allowing these morons to vote ever again.
I have an entirely different view of what is happening within the Republican Party. This is the first day that they appear to have stopped being self delusional about their defeat and are slashing out to punish those that they are sure contributed to their defeat. In many cases they will be wrong and they will destroy the wrong people but to realise that they have moved too far from their centrist political position and embraced the far right is probable in their future if they expect to survive as a political party. I personally think that within a short time,historically ,they will return to being a Conservative Party with some Liberal Republican members,although I doubt that they will ever,in my lifetime move far enough to the left to have my vote.
My first thought would be, is to check Boehners bank accounts... Follow the money... The speaker is a paid puppet of a very few extremely wealthy people.
Obviously, he has no back bone and looks somewhat inebriated most of the time...
This is not of his doing, he is being told who to appoint and who to toss out...
Pelosi, has more bass than this guy ever hopes to have...
Once again republicans choose right wing ideology over country. The Taliban puppet masters must be eradicated from the republican party and American politics in 2014.
@white collar auto We are not jealous of That the wealthy have more, We are angry that they want it all!!
I am just waiting for Obama and the Democratis party to come out with their real goal.The complete unconditional surrender of all those who oppose them in any way,shape or form.Pigotry's comment about stalinists tactic shows her real stupidity.The real Joe Stalin was so parnoid in real life that NO party would exist other than himself which sounds alot like some of the Democrats on here when talking about Obama.
White Collar Auto
As a fiscally conservative liberal, this answer's easy. Just take away all the false drama about taxes and you have your answer(s).
This is just a "break through" issue. Obama knows it and the GOP know it. Norquist is like a dam (damn?)... he's blocked any and all tax legislation for so long now that there's a build up of key and necessary and fair and economically viable taxes that will come the instant he is broken. But, no, they will not destroy America. Smart businesses don't run themselves with stupid pledges and neither should government.
Am I against foolish spending? Of course, but present your idea first and I will give you my opinion relative to foolishness... same for taxes.
On the specific issue of these taxes at the top? Ridiculous. They are currently the lowest in recent history. They tax PERSONAL INCOME, which is the money TAKEN OUT OF THE BUSINESS. It is only 3.6%... or, in other words, $360 more tax on a $100,000 project that makes a 10% ROI. Ridiculous. The money now held in off-shore accounts is, by some estimates, 4 times larger than our national debt. Really? And you worry about 3.6%? Foolishness.
This is only happening because the GOP hijacked the narrative and made it so. No other "real" reasons exist.
That's what you got to love about the brain-dead among the Right like this guy I quote. They love to project their philosophy as being that of the other-guy when in actuality it's theirs to begin with.
Jeff-1592116 -
great post.
BTW, wolfhound27, Joe McCarthy was right-wing's darling in the 50s, the contemporary of Joe Stalin. McCarthy did the same thing Stalin had been doing. Both were dubbed 'Uncle Joe' by their supporters; Both died about the same time. Good riddance.
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When we talk about human capacity as evil-doers, there is not much difference. Political witch-hunt and executions of innocent people happened in both countries about the same time.
The GOP continues to flounder, completely lost. This is not a matter of caving to anybody except the American People, who have made it clear we want this fixed now.
I saw another headline indicating the GOP thinks they need to campaign differently. Absolutely wrong. They need to get in line with this country's needs, and they simply do not understand this.
@Jeff - exactly. They built that, and now they are trying to portray themselves as the solution. We all know.
Republicans have no clue how to deal with liberals, after all liberalism is undefinable. At this time there really is no hope of saving this country from liberalism, the Democrats do a far better job of selling the American people on the principles of taking from others to fund largess. Financially liberalism will doom the country, and the minions that supported this path will at some point be left out in the cold wondering what the heck happened. Liberals obviously feel money grows on trees, that ratcheting up the printing presses is okay, and that who cares as long as they don't have to pay for it. There isn't a sensible thought in a liberals head and Republicans should just get out of the way. Liberals are all in to destroy this nation, and won't it come as such a pleasant surprise when in fact their turn to pay does in come along. Obama is the poster boy for fiscal insanity, and his minions are the liberal lemmings that will jump off the cliff for him. History, and future generations will study this time of America's decline as the beginning of its end.
American 2 party system is a total scam. The same garbage keeps getting elected and they don't give a flying f..k about what is good for America, only serving special interest groups who pump money into their campaigns. We desperately need more independents and a viable third party.
Think Democrats are any different? Two words....Joe Liberman.
By taking them off the committee, the lobbyists and big corporation nut jobs will stop paying them extra to vote their way. They lose money that they have been lining their pockets with at our expense. Good job, start firing all ofthe ones who are not willing to compromise to get a job done. About time.
Desperation sets in...they're eating their own!!!!!!!
Lets see, the congress and the senate in both parties are extremely wealthy, actually there are more democrats that are filthy rich than republicans. So, I do not have a problem taking 60% of their money. I know it will not make a dent in the scheme of things, but it tickels me to see them raising taxes on themselves.
The republicans have run off the blacks,browns,reds,yellows,females,the young,the educated,the union workers and they now are running off their own,they are some slow learners,go man go.
tim, come home to kansas and run for the state legislature. in brownbackistan you will find the political climate much more to your liking.
for now.
All the Republicans want is power the problem is when they get it they misuse it.
So goes history. The democrats have been through this in the past also. The current problem is the country is leaning more left (not the middle, to the left) due to many situations. The democrats are better at marketing their propaganda. The republicans have been trying to move left to sway more voters (look at the talk about immigration, taxes, etc right now among the right), but in doing so they alienate their conservative base. All of the republican candidates since Reagan have been RINOs, romney included. They are the reason I left the republican party.
We definitely need a two party system in this country, but it'll be awhile before that happens again. The republican party is devouring itself through greed/power, but hopefully the outcome will be the current is tossed out, and a true conservative republican party re-emerges.
Probably around that time the country will be dying due to the entitlement mentality passing the 50% mark (more takers than makers), and people will smarten up and it'll swing the other direction.
So goes history, so goes the future when idiots don't learn from it (both parties).
Ironically enough, if you read back about our founding fathers, some of the predicted that our current situation would happen.
Actually, I think you have it backwards Feisty...
Boehner and the party in general are starting to see the light; they're considering letting rates go up. It's the ultracons that are digging in their heels for their constituents' "no compromise" positions that are getting punished for it.
Boehner's finally trying to get ahold of his party and force the hardliners to back down and compromise.
Never thought I'd say this, but "Good luck, John. Hope you can bring them to the table."
This is going to come down to 2 alternatives
Compromise with Liberals or
EVERYBODY in the GOP crawls under the Bus & lets Grover drive over them .
I'll take either one for the good of the country !
I would have to believe that if one looked at the democratic side of the isle you would find the very same thing for the Democratic leadership censuring there own middle of the road democrats. And for those who want Hillary for 2016, I say NO, I think it's time for the ALL Demorcats and Republicains to move aside and give way to people who care about America and NOT BIG MONEY.
I do think that Both parties caiter to BIG MONEY, just look at the money spent during this election season, and my feeling is the Democrats caiter to the Big Financials, and the republicains to BIG Business like Oil, and Manufacturing. I do believe it was the Democrats that losed the credit rules for home loan lenders requirments, you know the ones that help create this home forclosure problem...
Oh, it get's better. How about the Senate vote on the Disability's Treaty in the Senate yesterday. The entire treaty is based on established US law. The UN made the United States the model. It required the US to do nothing...we're already doing it under US law. It would merely extend what the United States is doing for people with disabilities to other countries. To commemorate the historic approval of the treaty, President George HW Bush was present in his wheelchair as was Former Congressman Bob Dole, also supporting the treaty. Speeches of resounding support were given by the likes of John McCain and John Kerry. So as the Republicans filed by the former President in his wheelchair and saluted him...they cast a NO vote! It's like the GOP is so angry, not only will they eat their own for not being right-wing enough, they'll attack the disabled because the UN likes them.
Looks like Boner's boss Grover told him to hand out walking papers to some of their guys.
Have a drink, Boner, you'll feel better. And keep in mind, as long as you keep your boss Grover happy, that's all that really matters.
Please bring back the real GOP and get rid of this one that has been infesyed with tbaggers. The old GOP had some honor and dignity and cared about their people. This bunch is a pack of wolves. Its time we dump the tbaggers into the bay once and for all.
@Mickey-NY
CA is a tool of major proportions. Up till the election he was a venomous Rombutt supporter. Everything he posted dripped with hatred and racism. Anything he says should be considered a bald faced lie. He needs to follow Romney into relative obscurity. He wouldn't be missed.
@Pigotry
And the KKK was definitely the darling of Democrats..funny how you libs forget so soon.
@ AlaskaGirl-759554,
I think you'd see a little bitch slapping but no fist to cuff! Times have changed :.(
Arnold Schwarzenegger Said it best, they all have girly hands!
Funny do you all notice when they talk about cutting entitlements they are only taking about the PEOPLE, I think we need to start with their entitlements like their PENSION & MEDICAL PLANS since they think nothing of the entitlements We paid for, who agrees We need to start with them Lazy B_stards. And We can cut spending by cutting their pay! It's time to pay by performance not just because they showed up!
The only argument the right has is that you can't cure our deficit alone by raising taxes a modest amount on the 2% so why raise them at all. As you couldn't erase the deficit entirely by taxing the 2% but neither could you do so by cutting spending alone especially with the number of sacred cows like the military which is our largest single expenditure from income tax revenues. Most economists believe you have to have cuts and new revenue to bring our deficit down and republicans agree at nearly 2 to 1. To oppose the majority of your own party means you no longer represent them but represent those who've bought them. They could care less about small business, they're worried about big business and big money men.
That was when the democratic party was the conservative party prior to Johnsons betrayal of passing the civil rights act. Democrats fled en masse to the republican party we see today. Better a short memory than ignorance of our history. From the racial comments I see from time to time on these posts from those on the right republicans today share the same views as they did when they were democrats.
LOL! rethuglicans are pathetic lot....
RepubliCONs are apathetic to our national well-being;
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These elephANTs are pathetic, too. Soon, these elephANTs will be as small as their cousin - ANTs..in terms of their party size.
Every-time I see a Portrait of Bonehead he looks like he's Constipated !!!!!!!!!
The sooner the "Greedy Obstructionist Party" becomes extinct the sooner the country will truly heal.
Ha! Sorry guys, but we really DON'T NEED one more day of tea-tarded obstructionism in this country.
It's no different in the DNC... you have to toe the PArty line, or you're shoved aside. No one is better at ignoring constituents that the DNC. The RNC leadership is BAD.. just not as insane as the DNC
Tow vs Toe, funniest thing I read all day.
I don't find the DNC leadership to be insane, they are actually quite level headed and matter-of-fact when it comes to their approach to different topics. They tend to leave out emotion, and more importantly, they tend to leave religion out of public discourse. Which is something the RNC could learn a lesson from.
LMAO..they lost to the democrats, and now fighting among themselves ( wonder who is going to win this time).
GOP is HISTORY..America will be one UNITED COUNTRY!
That's simply untrue. 95% of republicans signed the Norquist pledge and they have voted 100% against any tax increase. It's only since the election a few have strayed. A democratic president can never count on 100% support from his own party like republicans. I'm sure people have seen the recent articles about pro gun democrats beginning to consider some gun restrictions since the shootings but have you ever heard of an anti gun republican or pro choice republican?
sheysa ... please ignore
Ok, bcwc, you are ignored...
not everyone gets the wish, but it's Christmas, you are in luck.
LOL@ Pigotry
If you're not going to work to find a solution, then GTFO. Good on the Rep leadership to find folks that are going to find viable options.
Thing is, these two don't sound like they're even on the same side. One sounds like he's completely anti-compromise, right-wing obstructionist. The other sounds like a libertarian willing to see at least some aspects of compromise, in at least not insisting the military budget can't be reduced even if the DOD doesn't see the need for more money. So it's hard to come out of this story with any sense of increased chances of sense or compromise as a result, at this point.
Isn't it amazing that something so simple was missed by such a large majority of the posters here? Reading comprehension is not their strong point.
As long as you're right, and they are not just filling the slots with yes men to the party line.
They will agree to a tax increase, they already have with sequestration, they can only negotiate against what they already agreed to, what is inevitable, but taxes will be increased. I'm very surprised Grover Norquist let them agree to sequestration, it is now their own rope that will hang them. I think republicans are finally catching on and are now punishing their own for being too conservative instead of the other way around, however I still doubt that the speaker of the house can actually speak for his house.
Forrest,
A second term Congressman, whether Tea Party or Libertarian, has just been put on notice.
The GOP is getting their troops in place for the real work that will begin in the 113 Congress, starting in January.
One can hope Northstar.
Am I hearing "Party Purge?"
OOO we can only dream of the Tea Party getting Purged.....
Looks like the Socialists have taken over both parties. The good news for the libs is that Obama will get his way. So, where will that leave us in 4 years? That's easy, the libs will be blaming Bush and the Republicans because the economy is still in the tank.
Fiscal cliff? Considering it's a term made up by the the lib media, that tells you that it is meaningless. The fact is that Obama doesn't want a deal to be reached. If one isn't reached then Obama has his dream fulfilled. Higher taxes and drastic cuts in defense spending. What more could a lib ask for. Then the libs will scream that their taxes are going up and Obama will propose tax cuts. Of course, it's all smoke and mirrors and a lie. The House has already passed legislation to prevent taxes from being raised on the 98%! Who has blocked that from becoming law? The dems and Obama! Will increasing taxes on the 2% do anything to help the economy or the budget? Nope, but that doesn't matter. The only issue is punishing the successful people because the libs believe that success always comes at the expense of someone else.
So, at least Obama and the libs will be able to claim victory. Their intentions are good. Whether the economy improves or people get back to work in good paying jobs is irrelevant.
Gee witch, you are wailing for the government to give/create you a "good paying" job? I thought you guys wanted a smaller government? Which is it?
Amash and Huelskamp said that they learned of losing their spots on those committees by reading reports in the media; they said that no Republican leaders had notified them of the changes.
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Oh that's lovely. I'm certain it was those darned lefty media outlets no less!!
"It's petty, it's vindictive and if you have any conservative principle, you'll be punished," Huelskamp said at a briefing for conservatives at the Heritage Foundation.
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Wow...maybe if you spent a little less time sniffing the arse of the folks at the Heritage Foundation and spent a little more time governing, you might have seen the sign that says 'no longer welcome'.
Maybe the Republicans have learned something , thou I can't be sure. It seems thier leadership hasn't.
Yes America! There is tension in the GOP/Teabegger "House Of Hoodlum's." It is very clear that "Bonehead Boehner" is not going to 'compromise' with anyone, on any policy, and on any issue. The Teabegggers are feeling the "Political Sting" of their "Stalinist Style Leader." The Teabeggers are going to obey all marching orders, they are not going to speak 'out of turn,' and they are not to think for themselves. All 'proper' information to be comprehended will be issued by "Crazy Cantor." If one observes him dancing in the halls with rotten tea bags around his ears? Do what "Mickey Mouse Mitch McConnell does. Just laugh like a "Circus Clown." Does one hear their Teabegger "Circus Music" playing yet??
I'm hard-pressed not to see the Republican Steering Committee look like the 'Counsel' from the Avengers movie.
A room full of large screens, placed in a circle, where a large head shot appears. Dusty, dark and mysterious backgrounds make the onlooker shake in fear.
"You are no longer allowed at the big boy table you traitorous SOB!!!!!" "Now kneel before Zod!!!!"
It's very interesting and enjoyable seeing the Republican Party destroy itself. It's also surprising because most criminal organizations like the Republican Party are much more stable.
So funny to read how the liberals believe this only happens in conservative circles. Nooooo, nosirrreeee, NEVER happens in LiberalLand!!!
Oscar, conservatives have been driving around in the clown car for over a year ... learn to laugh at yourselves.
Oscar--we liberals understand that leadership has to keep rank-and-file in line. In our case, however, it is much easier since our members haven't signed a pledge to Grover Norquist that puts them at odds with their oath of office and their party leadership.
The conservative movement is slowly drying up, and our Nation is becoming more of a forward thinking Nation with Progressive ideas. Since 2010 the folks that put these tea bag folks in office know that a big mistake was made.
The real reason these guys were removed from their positions is because they refused to worship at the David and Charles Koch statues inside the entrance of Republican Party headquarters.
TruthSquad - only the radical righties refer to our Presidet as "lord and savior" or Emperor! Your ignorance is showing. And, remember, yours is the party that signs loyalty oaths to a moron named Grover Norquist - who is NOBODY!!!!
So far we have been driving out of the ditch:
... the numbers for Bush's last three months. Between October and November, 597,000 jobs were lost; between November and December, 681,000 were lost; and between December and January, 741,000 were lost.
Obama Created 4.2 Million Private Jobs In 27 Months; 1.2 Million More Than Bush’s 8 Years
DJIA Dec 31, 2008 8,776
DJIA Dec 04, 2012 12,951
Dec. 29, 2008 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. corporate earnings fell for a sixth-straight quarter, the longest streak in at least 20 years, as consumer spending on automobiles, homes and retailers collapsed.
May 11, 2012 Fortune magazine released its ranking of the 500 biggest US corporations Monday, which showed that they received a record-breaking $824 billion in combined profits in 2011, up 16 percent from 2010.
You know, out of that ditch that George W. Bush, aided and abetted by Republican majorities in both houses of Congress, drove the entire American economy into! It will forever be known as the Bush Recession. It should more properly be called the Republican Recession!
Thanks BET? What the underhanded racist jab....you might think you are being slick....but you are bigot and a racist. GTFO of my country.
Hey, maybe Amash can help Candice Miller in her 'new' assignment to monitor housekeeping. LOL
maga,
The GOP are so literal minded, they can only think of womens work as actually housekeeping. :-)
Truth - you show your total ignorance more and more with each post. No one has EVER said a woman who works at home is a loser - just that women should have the choice since they are just as important in our society as men.
No one of intelligence has a problem with couples of both sexes or one sex being a couple. It doesn't threaten me when someone does something differently than I do.
And, most of us on this site are working people. However, I don't have a problem with our country helping those who have fallen on hard times. It is what we as a nation do.
You seriously need help for your demented ideas!
You missed the reference truthsquad, but then you're so old...
TruthSquad,
You prove my point about literal meaning only.LOL
So therefore, literally speaking, if you are a male, did your mother teach you how to sort clothes for the laundry, iron your shirts, basis cooking skills so you can be a self sufficient adult.
Or did your mother do all these things until you found a woman who would do those things for you?
We are talking about simple life skills for any adult whatever gender.
[How easy this is.]
Very easy, in fact...
Tick tock, Raab...
TruthS****/ I can't see why you decided to start with that nom de plume .It is so far from reality that I wonder if you are trying for humour or sarcasm. I will not attempt to refute or explain why I consider your points no points . I am sure that you are not uneducated enough to consider your remarks as anything but provocative Bye!
This is too funny.
The politicians who must vote as their constituents want but against the good of the nation should just change their affiliation to Independent, that way they don't have to listen to whoever party and vote as they are elected. Simple.
The good of the nation? This money will run the country for 8 days! Are you kidding? We need reform on all Gov't handouts. I make 250K per year with 3 kids and that's not rich. I would like to save some for retirement and my children and not have the Gov't take it all.
If you make just $250k, then your taxes will not go up. In fact, you have to make at least $250k plus the value of your deductions before the next incremental dollar is taxed an additional 3 cents. It's not that big a deal. Be glad you earn that much and quit whining.
RickBX
The good of the nation? This money will run the country for 8 days! Are you kidding? We need reform on all Gov't handouts. I make 250K per year with 3 kids and that's not rich. I would like to save some for retirement and my children and not have the Gov't take it all.
I have 3 kids and have a combined family income of about 55k a year. We are not poor. We have money in the bank. Our cars are paid for. We are not starving, and don't have medical bills.
If you make 250k and have issues surviving on that, you need to seriously check your priorities, because they are completely out of wack sir.
RickBX. You are either lying about the amount you make or are in need of help. No one can earn $250,000 a year and not be able to save some of it. How do you think most people in this country and around the world survive? Were you stupid and bought a house you couldn't afford? How many cars do you own? Re-examine your priorities, you whiny baby.
I was about to say the same thing. I have 3 kids, a wife that is stay-at-home-mom, make just under 6 figures, and I am able to save plenty of money. I think all his issues with his income have to do with priorities - not taxes.
So, RickBX is bright enough to make $250K a year, yet not bright enough to figure out how to save any from that amount?
Let's see.....how can I put this politely.....
Hey, RickBX, you're a liar.
people like RickBX make me laugh.
Let the implosion begin! LMAO! That's what happens when you lie in bed with crazies!!!
All I can say is EUREKA!
So reality has forced Boehner to start giving Norquist the finger? Good. Now, call Norquist into your office, Mr. Boehner, and then toss his useless ass out of your window!
That won't work....Norquist is Boner's boss.
Can't wait for the Sunday morning political news shows....this week will be GREAT!!!
Pitiful, preening posers. Today's G.O.P. - an ignorant party for ignorant people. Almost without exception, all red "conservative" states get back more from the Fed than they contribute. That's how ignorant these tools are, unable to understand that they are voting against their own self-interests. All they know is they hate black people, especially those who more successful and actually contribute to society.
More proof that the Republicans are not in control of themselves, their agenda, even their own thoughts. They sold out a long time ago to the rich and powerful. America is better off without them.
Well said, lakerman. This Spurs fan agrees!
Then who would us Dems blame stuff on Laker?
HeHe!!
The GOP should divide itself into the fiscal realists who acknowledge actual facts and are willing to embrace compromise, and the wacko nutcases who just want to watch Fox News and call liberals names. If they did that, a lot of Democrats would join the smart GOP. We could legitimately have three roughly equal parties: sane liberals, sane conservatives, and the wackos.
actually it would be more like: Liberal Democrats, Moderate Democrats, Conservative Democrats, Blue Dog Democrats (sane Republicans) and the Tea Party wackos...
"Tax increases in exchange for what?" Tax increases to pay for the wars, the disastrous Bush cuts, medicare D, a totally ignored infrastructure and because you lost the election.
Truth Squad (you don't handle truth well, do you?) - it was the idiotic Republican George Bush that put two wars on a credit card and spent us into this mess while lowering taxes for his rich buddies. How quickly people like you forget!
Yeah TruthSquad - it's time for the Republicans to be fiscally responsible for the wars they started and the benefits they doled out. Entitlements work both ways and welfare isn't just when the beneficiary is the poor.
Truthsquad = parrot
I would rather live under a Democrat tax and spend system than one where the rich are essentially untaxed and the government spends trillions on war.
Under republicans, spending always goes up. People like truth are too stupid to recognize reality.
I love it...
If our GOP friends can't prove that they are RWNJs to their constituents then they won't get re-elected, but if they don't show any desire to compromise then Boehner will pull them off of their committees and relegate them to obscurity...
Popcorn!! I need more popcorn!!!
It's always great when Republicans eat their own!
Norquist should be arrested and charged with bribery and extortion and every Congressman who signed his pledge to never raise taxes should be charged with violating his Oath of Office.
Arizona - treason - Norquist should be charged with treason as should anyone who signed an oath to him, including the 4 Democrats. Then their sorry a**es should be shipped off to GITMO for LIFE!
Yikes Seeking!!! off with their heads maybe?
If Grover convinced "my old party" to NEVER raise taxes, then letting this go over the cliff would be the same thing as raising taxes, would it not?
Get the deal done, Boehner you need to lock yourself in a room with Obama until you can come up with an agreement!
Apparently the foursome are hardcore far right wingers who refused to be counted as in support of anything. Herding cats is hell but open neutering is a little gross and would not seem to solve any problems.