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Subscribe to RSSIf Congress can't agree on a deal to avert the fiscal cliff, the president said taxes will rise by about $2,000 for the average family. NBC's Kristen Welker reports.
HATFIELD, Pa. -- President Obama today continued his efforts to push Congress to extend the Bush-era tax cuts for income below $250,000 with a visit to a toy factory here in suburban Philadelphia.
"We talked about this a lot... We had debates about it. There were a lot of TV commercials about it," Obama said. “At the end of the day, a clear majority of Americans -- Democrats, Republicans, independents -- they agreed with a balanced approach to deficit reduction and making sure that middle-class taxes don't go up.”
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The non-partisan Tax Policy Center says if these tax cuts expire at the end of the year -- as they are set to do -- about 90% of Americans would paid more in taxes and middle-income families would see their taxes rise by about $2,000.
Obama didn’t present any new ideas in his first speech since House Republicans rejected Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner’s proposal that he presented in meetings with congressional leadership yesterday. That proposal included $1.6 trillion in tax increases, $400 billion in cuts to Medicare and other programs, and ending Congress' control of the debt limit.
But Obama did couch his frustration with Congress in humor.
“I've been keeping my own naughty and nice lists for Washington," he said at a Rodon Group plant that makes the popular K'nex brand of toys. "So you should keep your eye on who gets K'NEX this year. There are going to be some members of Congress who get them, and some who don't."
Susan Walsh / AP
President Barack Obama looks over a rollercoaster with K'NEX Inventor Joel Glickman, left, and Rodon Group President and Chief Executive Officer Michael Araten, right, during a tour of the company in Hatfield, Pa. Friday, Nov. 30, 2012.
Even the seriousness of the country’s fiscal health couldn’t keep the president from joking about his affable vice president.
Talking about the colorful toys in the factory, Obama said, “Joe Biden was in Costco. He wanted to buy some of this stuff. But I told him he had too much work to do. I wasn't going to have him building roller coasters all day long.”
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Need some help. I have a business associate that voted for our president. We are in the process of selling his business but he insist it has to happen by the end of this year. I asked why and he said he did not want to pay the additional taxes. I am wrong in calling him a hypocrite for not supporting what he voted for?
If the top tax rate goes up 2 % next year then sell this year.
Tax rates can't go down forever.
Seen the deficit lately?
Wars cost money...They aren't free
So it is ok for this guy to vote for the presidents policy but not pay for them?
I hated Bush and the wars even more, however the Democrats and the Republicans voted for them.
As long as both sides keep bantering like roosters in a farm yard nothing will get done. Obama is responsible for bringing both sides together with good honest negotiation on the countries financial situation. It will not be easy and many concessions from both sides will be needed. Its that or we have another four years of do nothing government. The people cannot get caught up in this tit-for-tat rhetoric that accomplishes nothing. Most Americans whether they are Democrat or Republican realize that serious compromise and negotiation in good faith is required. Standing around and finger pointing is wrong no matter who is doing it. America must pay attention and vote out the party that is not attempting to fix this economy. Look beyond the mask for the truth.
Keep going, Obama. These Republicans can NOT win this in any shape or form. You keep pushing them, you hold all the cards.
I'd even say go so far as to quit talking to them, but that's not desirable just yet. Just be on guard they don't pass a law real quick that relieves them of any requirement to pay the higher taxes when they hit the rest of us. They'll try that as the desperation deepens, along with any other sneaky maneuver they can muster. And the Colonel and Boner will be behind it, with help from Graham and other secessionists.
When they take us over that cliff, they're the ones who'll fall the farthest.
And we clear thinkers can't wait to see it happen.
Obama and those that want others money are disgusting, lazy, and stupid. Why don't Obama and government EVER talk about CUTTING SPENDING before asking for UNLIMITED ACCESS to other people's money by wanting the DEBT CEILING to a be a perpetual INCREASING GOVERNMENT PIGGY BANK for BLOATED and CORRUPT GOVERNMENT SPENDING that would NOT REQUIRE A VOTE BY CONGRESS?
Capital Cronyism is what Obama wants and that is a SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST method of being able to SPEND MONEY WITHOUT the TAXPAYERS CONSENT.
Instead of TAX and SPEND, which is NOT GOOD, now they want to have a UNLIMITED PERPETUAL ABILITY TO INCREASE the NATIONAL DEBT, which is SPEND AND TAX.
What people do not understand about how stupid and dangerous a National Debt that we have NOW is, I find flabbergasting.
I don't mind paying more taxes but NOT UNTIL Government CUTS the STUPID SPENDING and starts with unnecessary subsidies to anyone, and foreign aid, and then Defense, and then Entitlements and other idiotic programs...THEN come to me for more taxes and until then go to hell.
do you really think kerry, pelosi, reid and the rockafellas really want the 1% taxed higher??? they are on the top of the 1%....give me a break kerry is worth nearly a billion along with his wife and pelosi 1/2 billion see who gets exempted and who amends the tax changes....and who do you think paid for those $35,000 a plate dinners with the PREZ the 99%ers
Drone, that's about as stupid as it gets. The ones who will suffer the most are the leeches in our society, followed by the working poor, then the lower middle class and on up the chain for everyone who actually has to work to survive. The rich may lose some money but they will not suffer.
But, hey drones, you got what you wanted. Own it. You still don't know what you voted for. You'll find out soon enough.
So what happen from 2006 through 2010 when the democrats held both the house and senate while the economy was tanking. No fault from them at that time but if it happens now then it is the republicans fault when they only control the house and the democrats control the senate and the White House?
Critic5151,
Your ignorance is laughable. This is not a game of cops and robbers. Obama has every bit of pressure to get something done or his legacy will be the first African-American president and the worst president to ever hold office. He can hold out and play games with the American economy and watch people continue to suffer with high unemployment but do you think that will endear the Democrats to the American people? Absolutely not. If Obama does not get something done by the mid-terms you will see a Republican Senate. Obama will run out of free passes after people finally get fed up with this abysmal failure.
At times it is hard to understand the level of confusion in peoples heads.
No President not Bush and not Obama can spend one cent that congress does not approve. Such useless and counter productive banter.
Larry he is making his list
REPS need to sit in the back
Obama is a divider and always will be. When his wife mutters to her hubby during a 9-11 flag ceremony and says " all this for a damn flag" and Obama nods in agreement is astounding.
He has contempt for all of us.
And the morons just continue to follow this idiot. Obama and Michele also put there left hands on their right side during another ceremony, and the wedding rings on their hands show they don't even know how to pledge allegiance to the flag.
add the following
" LUMP OF COAL " the REPs are offering
Obama is a talker plain and simple
LET THEM EXPIRE take away Obama's leverage BUSH tax cuts were so bad then let them expire.
Enough of this nonsense from the racist idiot-in-chief. Raising the tax on the "rich" will do NOTHING but discourage investment. If he got his drone-stroking tax hike it will take 514 years to pay off the deficit of 2012 alone. That's if spending didn't increase. He also wants to increase spending.
I have no worries. I do have a prediction echoed by others.
By the end of 2013 when real unemployment (u6) is at 21% and rising, when our dollar is worth less, when everyone's taxes are raised, when the world is more dangerous, there will still be the brain dead cultists declaring Obama had nothing to do with it.
........it will still be Bush's fault all the way to the end of his 2nd term.
Kindergarten mentality.
Paranoid?
Not at all. Where have you been for the first 4 years of obama's excuse making?
He's no leader.
If things get that bad, whose fault it is will be the last thing I'm worried about.
Raising taxes on rich people does not affect their investing.
Realistic and smarter than you.
It affected Warren Buffet's (poster boy rich liberal) investing.
Uninformed drones have become so obnoxious
Julia do you truly not understand how stupid your post is, and how clueless you show you are? You people that think taxing the rich is a solution to out of control govenrment spending are either very stupid and just out to hate the rich. Taking money from the rich or ANYONE affects ALL investments, whether it is education for their children, buying a home or investing in stocks.
Taxing the rich is fine, but it will NOT SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS. Wha you younger people that are just lazy, envious, and jealous and covetous of others possessions is amazing. And as I stated, I am not against paying more taxes myself and the rich are not either. But you numbskulls think others money is yours to do with what you want.
We have a spending problem people! Not a revenue problem. Taxing the rich won't do squat. And Obama is proposing NO cuts in spending.
This is his solution to the fiscal cliff?
You idiots voted for him. Explain his logic to me please?
I dare you!
What cuts have the republicans offered?
Obama has already supported cuts to entitlements.
dahh if yoo takes two and divide it by twenty you get 200 right and if you takes 1 and add -20000 to it you gets 20001
You knucklehead lefties don't even know when you're being played. Obama is out there blaming the GOP for not giving middle class tax cuts, when the real truth is that the GOP is not going to budge until Obama stops his spending.
This is actually GOOD for the country but you Libs kneeling in front of Obama can't see past your noses.
It's called politics and you Libs fall for it every time. Those "evil republicans" trying to stop spending when our country is in trouble.
How horrible!
those evil republicans are not wanting to raise taxes on the wealthy.
What's the spending problem?
Least spending increases in 70 years.
Sounds like you radical right wingers are out of touch with reality
BS........Romney even said he would do it. But it's only for show. It won't do a damn thing to pay down the debt. It's designed for you handouters to feel good about sticking it to those who have more than you.
Pathetic Libs.
Common Sense, you're a sucker if you truly believe that statement. 6 trillion more in debt didn't fall out of the sky under Obama.
hey Julia a wake up call for you.
OBAMACARE as of Jan 1st 2013 raises taxes on anyone over 200/250K by 3.8% and imposes a .9% medicare tax too.
some basic math for you 35% + 3.8% +.9% = 39.7% and the OLD tax rate before Bush lowered it was 39.6%
OBAMA already got his tax the rich its hidden in the ObamaCare legislation that had to be passed before it could be read.
Julia is a godless selfish liberal who does not have a clue about anything.
Taxing employer based healthcare is a tax on the middle class
Reagan did it.
Biggest tax increase in US history
I'm retired and live off the money I saved and put into my 401K.I currently pay 15% taxes on the money I withdraw to live on.Obama's proposal would raise my tax rate to 39% .This will bankrupt me in a matter of years.I will,myself,have to go on some sort of aid.He proposal,to some of you,sounds really logical and fair.It's only fair to those of you who have no future or ever hope to have a future for you and maybe a family someday.I'm an certainly not rich but I give more in taxes than I use.This will reverse that trend and i'm certain this will be true for millions of Americans.Today,I read in The Economist begining on January 1,2013,there will be a new gas and petroleum tax of 3.9% added to each gallon of gas or quart of oil you buy.That has to cost the average faily $5-$6 per week.A little here and a little there,one to 5% at a time.Eventually,you won't notice it instead of paying 30% taxes we will be paying 55% taxes .The rich can afford any tax they have to pay.We are the ones whose back is going be broken with these tax burdens.Try living on $50,000 per year when you pay ,just in property taxes $9000 per year.Add 8.5% sales tax,9.%% state income tax,taxes on your car for 8 years plus registration fees evey year,taxes on everything.When you are done,the total is currently 55% in taxes.That leaves $22000 per year for food,clothing and incedentals.That's not much.At the same time,a family of 4 illegal aliens in california can get $49,900 and never pay a penny in taxes and get a tax rebate at the end of each year from $2500-$4500.Something is wrong,very worng!
I don't know how you pay only 15%. 401K money withdrawn should be taxed at normal tax rates.
I hear your pain. I lost a large portion of my life's savings in the last market crash.
I live in SC where the property taxes are low but you are nickled and dimed to death on everything else. For example, a "take out tax" when you buy take out food. Taxes on your car EVERY YEAR when you re-register it. 8 - 10% sales tax. 11% restaurant tax.
How do you get a rebate if you don't pay taxes?
You get a rebate without paying taxes because of the earned income credit. If you have any wages (you worked a little bit) and don't reach a certain level of income then Washington sends you a refund between what you made and whatever the floor limit is (I'm not sure).
The mexicans have been doing this for years. They may show some income, but when you take the childcare tax credits, they actually get more refund back then they actually paid in taxes to the government. It seems to me you should only get exactly what you paid in.........NOT MORE( that was another great DemocRAT idea!) There was actually mexicans claiming relatives in Mexico as dependents.....umm! how did they do that with no Soc Sec.??? More DemocRATS corruption.
I read on this site today and article from Fact check.com (whatever that is) trying to explain the "fiscal cliff". They state that ending the Bush tax cuts will add 252 Billion annually to the treasury. However, in another spot, trying to explain the burden on the middle class, they state that if the under 250,000 crowd has their taxes go up it will cost them 171 Billion per year. There seems to be some pretty reasonable people on this comment section tonight, so I ask: After listening to the mantra from the Democratic leadership and the Media for the past 10 years would any of you have guessed that over 67% of the Bush tax cut went to the non-higher class.
I knew that tax cuts were across the board if that's what you mean. I don't know about that 67% figure, but I'll take your word for it. And I'm not sure I understand what your question is.
No question, just a comment as to how for 10 years we have been told the cuts "were for the rich".
Oh Dumbo and the democraps still can't figure it out. Quit spending money we don't have. Obama is about as funny as a heart attack.
Obozo is the most stupidist, arrogant Pres. we have ever had. He just keeps compaigning even tho' he won the election. His pathetic budget only calls for more spending with out any BUDGET cuts. At that rate we will be $20,000,000,000,000.00(trillion) and bankrupt after another 4 yrs. Then what will happen to all of you leeches when your gravy train stops? Obama is from Chicago and he does not want to compromise(What ever happened to his compaign promises about working together to solve our problems<lies>) The Republicans better not cave because that is what Obama wants(Chicago mafia politics.) We need across the board cuts on ALL programs. Maybe sequestration is the answer. However, the military is the only area that is actually authorized by the Constitution to pay. The rest are man made programs that the Democrats created to bring in votes for themselves in the disguise of helping people.(But most of the programs are to keep the lower income Americans in poverty.)
@common sense sounds like you voted for the president but would not support his policies either if you were in a position to sell your business before the end of the year or sell it next year and pay higher taxes.
Is the DOW up 6000 points since March 2009?
YEAH
I'll take a that!
What a stupid argument. When it falls 6000 in a month and slowly creeps back in 4 years to where it was, who cares. You broke even. Is it back to Bush's all time high?
NO !
Unfortunately I don't think the NASDAQ will ever reach 5,000 again. It was nice before the dot.com bubble burst.
Dow is only up because businesses are holding onto their cash because of the uncertainty and the government printing money. Once there is a decision made on the fiscal cliff and Obama care kicks in get ready for the Dow to drop signifacantly.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana (1863-1952) This quote is pertinent to the fiscal cliff issue. Two things are happening here: Yes, the President would
like to raise the wealthy taxes. The other is that by raising rates, the wealthy individuals and business owners are “returning “ to the tax rates before the Bush cuts. Again I emphasize, there is his history here. If the
wealthy so-called job creators did not decrease unemployment during the Bush tax cut years, why should you expect raising the top two rates to hurt job creation?
........because small business owners are in that top 2 % you knucklehead.
Pay attention. Couple that with Obamacare taxes and regulations, we're cooked.
Thanks Oblahblah
Joe...thank you.....I've been saying for months......where are the jobs the job-creators are creating???
Oh that's right.....in some other country! They forgot to mention that part.....
Raising tax rates on the wealthy will not hurt "job creation", nor investing. You just have to think about that to see that notion is irrational.
You are an idiot Julia. Why don't you QUESTION WHY businesses, if they actually are creating jobs in other countries, are doing so? I will tell you why because people here a lazy, and taxes are too high. It is simple. NO ONE will work to break even or only to provide for the freeloaders like you that only want others to do something while all you do is complain and gripe.
You lefties own it now.
Let's see the great Obama spend his away out of a recession.
HAHAHAhahahaha............that's the stupidest strategy I've ever heard of.
Only a tax and spend lib could come up with a proven failing policy like this.
Mark my words... no matter what is put on the table... the regurges will fight everything... why would anybody delude themselves that the current brand of tea billy stupid was going to change... is beyond me.
Past behaviors are real good predicters of future behavior... three years and nine months of right wing obstructionism... and counting... the dems will take the house back in 2014!
leaftward bound, just what is obama willing to give up? Oh, he won and republicans lost, ha ha ha. However, the fool doesn't control the house, the republicans do. So, if they need to give a little, how about your black god obama, i know, he will simply get on TV, with his big ass ears and lie about it's all the republicans fault. By the way, 2014 is two years away and unless the dems do something, they just might lose ground in the house.
reread my post... this time with comprehension... nothing Obama puts on the table will be good enough for the right wing obstructionists.
you can barely hide your racial hatred... can you scumtard?!
Your the only jackass playing the race card, and I am of mixed heritage and have 2 Black God Sons, and 250,000 Black Masonic Brothers in California alone, so call me prejudice, because as I read this post it seems to me that your being prejudice by your statement when you are at a loss for words to defend an indefenceable point, unless you play the race card, as has been done from the very beginning of Obama's coming out of no where without a track record to support his even being in the race to become a President.
Now consider all the promises made in 2008, and go to youtube and see the new speeches for the 2012 election, and they are the same promises that have yet to be kept, except for the "Fundemantal Change to this country, how is that for facts Mr. Prejudice?
shut up, gil
What has he put on the table that would be even remotely acceptable to the right? If he truly wants to meet in the middle, he has to put forth a proposal that is in the middle.
Did Romney give credit to Obama for the Auto industry bail out?
Yes he did.
Good that Romney gave credit to Obama for job creation.
Hope they talked about Obama's massive success that Romney supported at their lunch
You call someone a name long enough,the stpid among us start to believe the cow is in fact a zebra.You can't stop stupid people from voting,you just hope their sperm cells are weak and the can't reproduce easily.I hoping most of you losers out there living with mommy in the basement will have to stay there through your reproductive years.I know and you know mommy won't stand for another body in the house,will she?It is not who laughs,it is who laughs last!
I wonder how many of you out there who voted for Obama and work in the Restaurant industry would have voted for him again when you find out in January your full time hours are going to go to 26 hours per week rather than 40.That will be the maximum you will work so your employer cant be forced to pay for your healthcare.Sure,you will have healthcare both now you will have to work two jobs,26 hours a week each to make ends meet.Oh,you people are going to be so sorry but maybe then you will learn a lesson.NOTHING in life is FREE!I'm going to sit back watching all of you basement bimbos and bimbas marching in the streets.Now you want McDonalds to pay you $13 per hour and you can barely read and write your own name.If salaries go to $13 per hour for all workers at Mickey Dees,then the cost of burgers and fries will go up proportionally.We can expect a 20-25% increase in cost over the next 3-4 years.So ,all the extra money you get paid will be wasted on paying even higher prices than today.You people should have paid attention in school .You were too worried about yours or someone elses ass,now ,it is just your ass on the line!
I believe it is $15 an hour they want. They want a livable wage. They collect food stamps because even with 2 jobs they cannot pay for all the basics. Their profits are enormous.
Their food sucks anyway, and is bad for you.
Paid attention in school so we don't have restaurant jobs?
Screwing with peoples hours and pay is on the business owners... there has been alot predatory crap... employment wise going on in this country for sometime now... stop screwing the people who work hard everyday to help make you successful!
Now go off shore some jobs... so you can bitch about the job numbers!
Yeah, they cannot pay for things because they have to pay some many taxes on every single item they must have because idiots that elect politicians want more of their hard earned money.
The problem is not the evil rich or employers the problem is people that think government is "god" and will supply their every need on the backs of others.
McDonald jobs were meant to be for kids before they advance up the job market. It's not about making 13 or 14 dollars/hr. The job isn't worth that much. Be reasonable.
Leftwardbound you forget who is passing these taxes on, (combined congress, both partys), to the samll business and companies like Mikey D, and who have to make new ways of staying in business including cutting work hours.
BTW you too will be paying you share to distribute the wealth for those healthy people some one mentiond, this is also some thing that can't be fixed for any of yousimple political minded tree stumps of any party, because stupid can not be fixed.
So I guess the tea party drinks the tea and the dolts of the Democatic party keeps drinking the same old Kool Aid right?
Guess no one wins this time either, as the chair is still empty, and arrogance and assinine attitudes remain the rule for those who are supposed to defend and protect you and the American way oif life based on the Constitution and theBill of Rights, because most are the Millionaires on both sides of the isle wo don't want to share their wealth with you or any one else, check Obama's bank account(s) see how wuch money he want's to share with the dead beats you wil;l be supporting.!!!
And please keep God out of this BS as he told you what and how to do it, and it is imprinted on your hearts and minds,,,,,,,,mabe?
spelling 101... Gil... perhaps a little less beer.
What exactly is it that I own Intelligent?
If a disaster is coming, won't we all "own" it??
No, you are a godless person and immoral because you believe in taking my money to kill babies in the womb, and think sexual immorality is okay. Guess what? God Almighty has stated those are evil and wicked acts and anyone that agrees with evil and wickedness....is godless and immoral. I suggest you either stop saying you are a liberal and repent or else stop saying you not godless and immoral. You can't be an apple tree and bear fruit that is NOT apples.
msnbc...
The Bible supports multiple wives.... Old Testament...Have you read it?
You support that?
Or are you selective in your religious blather?
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And you are an idiot. Neither God nor the Bible admonishes or even supports a man to have more than one wife. It is not necessarily a sin but it is NOT advocated by God anywhere moron.
God explicitly directed people to NOT take more than one wife because of the men turning away to idols their wives would want them to accept. Thanks for proving once again you are a clueless idiot.
Sexual immorality is condemned, and that means sex outside of marriage to a woman, and though a man could have more than one wife, it is not supported, but actually discouraged, but not sexual immorality if it was a marriage in spirit and body made before God by his Spirit.
Are you an idiot?
The Bible has no problem with polygamy.
Moron
wow, you sound really hostile. You don't even know me. Here are some of my personal facts:
I am not Godless or immoral.
I am liberal, and have no need of repentence for that.
Regarding reproduction, abortion does not belong in the political arena. Your money does not pay for abortions. Your money is being taken to kill thousands of innocent men, women, pregnant women and children in other countries. American women have a constitutional right to choice. That is what I support.
Your accusation of sexual immorality on my part is completely ludicrous. How could you even know that?
You don't know me. And I don't know you (thank God for the smallest of blessings). But from the few words you have shared with me, I think you sound judgmental and extreme. "Judge not, lest you be judged". "The Lord looketh on the heart". "And the greatest of these is love".
I could go on, but it would not matter to you. You are close-minded, angry, and have lost God because you believe that God exists only in a Book, and that Book is all that you need to know about to know God. And that is how you have lost Her.
No you idiot the Bible explicitly says that if you want to serve God then you must have one wife not several. It does NOT support polygamy, but does not condone it either. The ONLY reason God is not against having more than one wife is when a woman is not able to provide for herself or have children.
God did not make Adam and Eve and Mary, and Susan moron. Try actually reading the Bible instead of spouting off you opinions. You liberal morons "make God according to YOUR IMAGE" of what you "think" and make him an idol.
Well julia, you don't know God either, you are a godless, immoral person because you want my money to pay for your or others ABORTIONS and do not heed what God has plainly stated about homosexuality and all sexual immorality. And to say an OUTRIGHT LIE that Federal Money and Taxes are not funding is just despicable. Planned Parenthood ABORTS babies and receives federal tax dollars to do so, and don't try and give me that BS about how they "separate" the money and it is not used for sexually perverse people.
Try and justify yourself all you want, tell it to God, you won't change his mind on it though. Repent or stop saying you are not a liberal, because what liberals espouse and stand for is NOT what God says.
Your ideology is more important to you than God, thus making you godless.
julia, its simple, mcdonalds, burger king, wendys and others, can't pay 15 dollars an hour to their employee's, make a profit and provide fast food at a simi low price. If these employee's want 15 dollars an hour, go to school, get a trade or join the military.There are a lot of options out there that don't include breaking the bank. Remember, who ever it is that owns that fast food rest. Had to invest a lot of their money buying a franchise. They deserve to make money and work on getting the money back that they invested . Isn't that the american way?
Julia, you don't know me either and since our views are so different, I'm glad that I don't know you.
MSN:
You're using your "religion" like a cudgel again. I know you know deep down in your heart, this is organized religion's greatest weakness, justifying / rationalizing everything from mandates to madness throughout the centuries.
I can guarantee you, an exclusive tent like yours will not survive another 20 years. Think harder, try inclusiveness.
Unreal:
Socialist countries like England, Japan, Canada, etc have plenty of McDonalds. You are confused. If you think crappy de-humanizing part time jobs are better than anything, how low will you go?
Are you saying you think I am a homosexual? And you would know that how?
My understanding is that Planned Parenthood DOES IN FACT separate the funds used for abortion from federal support. I am not lieing. What "sexually perverse people" does Planned Parenthood support?
You can justify yourself all you want and quite easily too, as you are self-righteous. I never said I am not a liberal. Repent for what?
Your old book written by ghosts over 200 years after Jesus died is your ideology. I would never say you were godless because I know God's spirit is within everyone. I will easily say, however, that your personal representation of God is neither inspiring nor inviting. I hope you don't talk to everyone like this, it won't help your cause.
I notice you have no comment about the hundreds of thousands of innocents your money kills in every way our country fights.
One last remark....your obsession with sex and sexuality is showing. You need to look at that.....liberally speaking, it's ok......just deal with it.
Kasey.....I was just stating some details I heard on the news. I was not voicing support for the employees.....I dont even know enough about it......I would have to say my first thought is that is way too high a wage to consider for a burger flipper.....
why dont you want to know me?
sorry, the above reply is to "unreal"
Naw Julia I am not self righeous just RIGHT and KNOW GOD and do what he says instead of "MAKING HIM INTO MY OWN IMAGE" as you and others do and make him into your self serving idol. You don't know God, and your ideology is more important to you because it REPRESENTS your heart, and not God and what he says.
You and other perverts have forever attempted to justify being perverse, it has never worked and will not work now either. God will NOT change to fit your 'notions,ideas, concepts and images' of what you 'think' he should be and since you stand for abortions and perverse ways God is not your foundation for anything, especially not for what you believe,advocate and espouse. Like I said repent or stop saying you are not a godless immoral person.
you still refuse to a) comment on what makes me perverse, and b) comment on the hundreds of thousands of men, women, pregnant women, and children that are killed by america in war.
Sanctity of life? Really? Just the ones you decide are sacred?
You are not self righteous but you are RIGHT AND KNOW GOD (your words). Now there's an oxymoron.
Your insistence on calling others perverts and referring to perversion still makes me wonder what's going on in your tiny little mind.
MSN:
Trying to imagine a world where there are MSN's (Your Folks) and Perverts (The Rest of Us?). You are completely bizarre and confused? Maybe it's better that way?
Is McConnell stating his #1 goal is to make Obama a 2 term president?
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Or is Mcconnell's # 1 goal to help this county?
Any right wingers know what mcconnell cares about?
His number one goal should be looking like he is actually breathing... the guy is a dick head with a capital D!
It's terrible to say, but I cant stand looking at him.....
And I am sure he would vomit is he say you Julia.
why doesn't grover come forward and explain his ability to control the entire republican crew of elected officials, i have been thinking about this all day, how does one man control all the elected members of congress and the senate, and he does not even hold any political office himself?
that is not a democracy, more like a conspiracy. doesn't the usa have any federal investigative organizations to root out the criminal activity in our midst? why isn't any investigation underway?
I think it is treasonous at worst, dereliction of duty at least, for lawmakers to make a pledge to one person......they are accountable to the electorate that got them there.
It is creepy tho, isnt it?
It is democracy. What is Grover's control? His threat to "get out the vote" and get voters to kick people out of congress. That's it. That's the whole thing. It's a "get out the vote" campaign. That is his threat. It is pure democracy. That's the only hold he has. He doesn't have enough money to effect elections and he's not a "super-PAC". He will just tell the voters about any Republicans that vote to raise taxes in an effort to get those Republicans voted out of office. Democracy is his power, that and stupid voters.
It's the PLEDGE we're talking about.....
Naw you are talking stupidity as usual. Grover Norquist is not the problem, godless immoral liberals are the problem. They advocate perverse lifestyles that cause people to get STD's AID and other diseases and the expect the godly to pay for their drug rehabilitation, healthcare, and abortions.
Grover Norqusit only opposes taxes and advocates less spending.
Julia, you got to believe in something other than the crap you have been writing. I know, you can tell us how god is black, has big ears and lies evertime he opens his mouth. What ever happens to america, I will know I voted against the man and you voted for him and I can say I told u so.
unreal, call me stupid, i have no idea what you are talking about.
Jesus was dark-skinned, if that's what you mean.
I do believe in the crap that I write. That's why I write it.
Julia, the PLEDGE as you put it was to an anti-tax group ran by Grover. Do you really think the "PLEDGE" is what was stopping Republicans from raising taxes? Especially since quite a few are clearly stating that they will violate it. What was stopping them was the fear of not being re-elected by their constituents in their district due to violating said pledge to not increase taxes. I mean really, since when has a politician cared what they said or did in the past? It's always been about primaries and (re)elections and nothing more.
The Pledge is what THEY called it......
Yeah I know it was called a pledge, I was just using the caps as you did. I'm sure it has a more formal sounding name as well, but I haven't bothered to look it up.
Tax cuts, schmack cuts. He won, quit campaining. Personally, I'd like to know where he was for the 7 and a half hours he was during the Bengazi attack, where my cousin got killed.
There isn't that much difference between the Bush and Obama policies. They both favor Wall St. and ran up outrageous deficit spending. The only real difference is typical Democratic and Republican differences. One bends over for the wealthy while the other bends over for the public employee unions (Stimulus bill). The difference is conservatives also felt Bush stunk as indicated by his job approval in the 20% range, while Liberals have yet to acknowledge that all this deficit spending is crushing the United States.