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Subscribe to RSSNBC's Domenico Montanaro reports that although some Republicans have changed their tone on a new-no-taxes pledge, they aren't putting tax rate increases on the table.
Some Republicans appear to be softening what was once a hard stance on their no-taxes pledge as the end-of-the-year deadline on the so-called “fiscal cliff” approaches.
But it’s not clear how far they would go – if they would raise rates on the wealthiest, as President Obama wants, or if they are simply willing to go along with eliminating some loopholes and deductions to raise revenue. And those who have been outspoken on the topic thus far are not seen as the key players in the ongoing negotiations.
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Select Committee on Intelligence ranking member Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) gets on the Senate subway as he leaves after a hearing on the Benghazi attack November 16, 2012 on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC.
“I care more about my country than I do about a 20-year-old pledge,” Sen. Saxby Chambliss of Georgia told a local TV station from his home state. “If we do it his way then we’ll continue in debt, and I just have a disagreement with him about that.”
Chambliss is one of several congressional Republicans who have indicated they might break with an anti-tax pledge pushed by activist Grover Norquist.
NBC's Chuck Todd tells Savannah Guthrie that House Republicans are stalling a compromise in the "fiscal cliff" debate, unlike the Senate, where members are more keen to strike a compromise.
On the Sunday shows and Monday morning TV, Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Bob Corker (R-TN), as well as Reps. Eric Cantor (R-VA) -- the House minority leader -- and Peter King (R-NY), joined Chambliss in downplaying the “Taxpayer Protection Pledge.” Norquist’s 58-word pledge has been a mainstay in Republican politics since 1986. In 2011, every GOP presidential hopeful, including Mitt Romney (and excluding Jon Huntsman) signed it.
NBC's Domenico Montanaro reports on the increased number of pledges that Republican presidential candidates are being asked to sign in this campaign. One pledge stands apart, a no-new-taxes pledge, whose creator has influenced day-to-day legislation and is vowing to fight any effort to get find revenue in the new congressional supercommittee charged with closing the national debt.
“I agree with Grover — we shouldn’t raise rates,” Graham said on ABC, “but I think Grover is wrong when it comes to we can’t cap deductions and buy down debt.” Graham added, “I will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if Democrats will do entitlement reform.”
Corker told CBS on Monday: “I’m not obligated on the pledge. I made Tennesseans aware, I was just elected, the only thing I’m honoring is the oath I take when I serve, when I’m sworn in this January.”
King, of New York, said on Meet the Press Sunday: “I agree entirely with Saxby Chambliss -- a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago, is for that Congress... I think everything should be on the table.”
Norquist, in fact, says the fact that no House Republican has voted for a tax increase in 22 years is directly a product of his pledge. Norquist does not just mandate that lawmakers not vote for tax increases, but also that any bill they sign onto has to be “revenue neutral.”
In other words, cutting deductions and loopholes, for example, would also be out if not offset by further tax cuts. But Republicans and Democrats face an end-of-the-year deadline to try and figure out a way to avert the steep military and domestic spending cuts and taxes going up for everyone when the Bush tax cuts expire at the end of the year.
USA Today's Susan Page, American Bridge 21st Century President Rodell Mollineau, and YG Action Fund Senior Adviser Brad Dayspring join Chuck Todd to talk about the impending fiscal cliff.
That some senators appear ready to talk revenue is not as significant as what House members say. It is widely believed that a deal would be struck between the White House and the House GOP, not with the Senate.
House Speaker John Boehner has said that “revenue” is on the table, but the president wants to raise rates for the wealthiest. Obama campaigned on the idea, but it’s not at all clear whether the House Republican rank-and-file would sign on to any rate increase.
Cantor, who wields some influence with the GOP conference’s more conservative members, is seen as more of a keystone, and he, too, seemed willing to go along with at least some revenue increases.
“There has been a lot said about this pledge,” Cantor said on MSNBC’s Morning Joe Monday. “When I go to the constituents, it’s not about that pledge. It’s about trying to solve problems. House Speaker John Boehner went to the White House and said, ‘Hey, Republicans in the House are willing to put revenues on the table.’ That’s a big move.”
House Majority Leader Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Va., sits down with Joe Scarborough, Mika Brzezinski, John Heilemann, and Mike Barnicle to talk about Israel, Egypt, the Grover Norquist tax pledge, the future of fiscal cliff negotiations, and why not everything is on the table in tax talks.
“We were elected to fix problems,” Cantor said, before adding, “Even if you raise all those taxes, it doesn’t fix your problem.”
In a follow-up interview, Cantor’s office stressed that he remains against raising tax rates.
“Republicans aren't against tax rate hikes because of any one man or pledge,” spokeswoman Megan Whittemore said. “We are against hiking rates, because they're bad for the economy and hurt jobs. We've put ideas on the table that bring more money in while keeping tax rates where they are to produce job growth. It's now time for President Obama to put his ideas on the table for spending cuts and entitlement reform if he truly embraces a balanced approach.”
For his part, Norquist isn’t backing down. In a statement to NBC News, he took shots at the GOP senators and expressed confidence that no one would violate the pledge.
"Chambliss has been pushing this line since he joined the Gang of Six,” Norquist said. “Lindsey Graham has for two years said he would raise taxes if he got a 10:1 ratio of spending cuts through entitlement reform that could not be undone. There is no news in these two 'changing.'”
And he added, “They have not voted for a tax hike. They have had impure thoughts on present. Their impure thoughts did not change a single GOP vote in the 2011 fight over the debt ceiling which had a real deadline looming. One might have argued that the pledge died in 1990 when a sitting president and many in House leadership broke the pledge. However, the opposite happened, the pledge became more powerful when breaking it was seen to have very real consequence in 1992. After the 1994 election a majority of the House and Senate had signed the pledge."
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This country needs to let all the damn tax cuts expire for everyone. Then you wouldn't hear the whining a$$ GOP thugs crying about how their rich boyfriends can't handle how unfair it would be on these same people who are gaming the crooked Tax system here in America.
This is really sickening to me because for over thirty years now, tax rates have dropped while all along these same fools have been shipping good paying Americans manufacturing jobs abroad and doubled the war machines save the world mentality budget.
Does anyone think this makes sense???? We save the fricken world while our own damn country crumbles??
great post, I agree.
Do any of you really believe that the same republicans who have done nothing but sabotage the economy ever since Obama was elected are worried that if Obama's policies are enacted it might hurt the economy? Nonsense. The republicans who have been sabotaging the economy for the past four years are in a panic because they know if Obama's policies are enacted it will help the economy and prove that everything Rush Limbaugh and FOX News have been saying is pure bull@!$%#!
The republicans who have been sabotaging the economy are not worried that the economy might get worse, they are in a panic because they know if Obama gets his way the economy will get better.
Hey, O I C Y... you keep telling the truth, then the Fake Noos extremist bastards, infecting MSN-- will learn to hate you!
Fact: "They... can't... handle... the... TRUTH!"
Obama will only agree to things they will not agree to. Who is sabotaging the economy?
Thats easy katie, you, your the one that is sabotaging the economy, you. So take my advice and run along and play with the other girls in your clan.
Do Republicans really think it is a coincidence that when they are in charge taxcuts are expanded,
regulations are relaxed, We develope huge deficits,,,,,,And the economy nearly collapses??
It's not like this is a one time thing
Reagan's administration coined the phrase "Worst Recession since the Great Depression"
Bush Sr doubled down on it (and also doubled the National debt)
Clinton,,,,,,,,Balanced the budget
Bush Jr,,,,,,,,,,Well?? LOL
The Bush taxcuts alone equal 1/2 of our present deficit
The Bush wars equal another 1/4th
Military expansion another 1/4th
I'm predicting a balanced budget in early 2015 with a bigger surplus than Clinton created
going toward paying down our debt,,,,,,,Why do Republicans hate this??
Bo: In general, I agree with your post, but, you do have to tell the whole story, not just half.
The whole story is that BOTH sides love spending, the only difference is where the spending is allocated. This is but one of many reasons that I am not a Republican. When a Republican tells you they are for cutting spending, most of the time, they are liars. The Bush administration proved that. But...BUT, when the budget was balanced under Clinton, the Republicans had both houses of congress. That's the rest of the story.
So, as you've just seen, I have no problem trashing Republicans when the shoe fits (and it fits a lot) but I will also give them credit when it is due. As I said, you have to tell the whole story, not just half.
No deductions for anything - Flat tax for everyone.
That works great for people at the top... But not so well for single mothers with three jobs.
Exactly, OICY, these people that call for a flat tax are flat lined in the brain. The only fair tax is the progressive income tax that makes those that can afford it pay the most. I could go with no deductions.
John: So your philosopy pretty much can be summed up by saying: From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.
Interesting. I think I've heard someone else say that too. In fact, the idea of the progressive income tax is page right out of that playbook.
So... How much longer do I have to wait before the Bush tax cuts for billionaires rain wealth and jobs down on America like we were promised?
Like I keep saying.....the uber rich job creators ARE creating jobs, millions of them.....in other countries.
The biggest insult is that they think we are stupid and don't realize that.
That's one of the reasons why they lost the election.
I hope voting Americans can hold their attention span long enough to remember what the tea billy party has done to this country! What a bunch of two faced hacks!
All obstructionists should be voted out in 2014! John Bonehead should be ashamed of himself.
The coddling of the off shorers needs to stop!
So... How many jobs will Rush Limbaugh create if he gets to keep his tax cut? How come he can't afford to create those jobs now?
Let the Republican Party and the TeaParty go off the cliff. We will be a far better country without these useless fools. Can anyone tell me when the Republican Party did anything of relevancy? Anything?
Americans spoke in the election...Republicans lost...simple as that. I voted to raise taxes on the rich ...incomes over 250.--- Republicans can vote against it...and I will vote against them again...they keep losing and they wonder why?
They don't seem to get the fact that the people of this country are tired of their crap... happy to take the house in 2014... not quick learners... those teatards!
Democrats cheated....It doesn't take 3 months to get an ID!
Right... Democrats cheated because the wrong Americans were allowed to vote!
Hey Katie, if republicans had their way you wouldn't get to vote. That way you could enjoy your legitimate rape.
I was just thinking about all the SICK and Crying people that went to bed thinking Rmoney and the little fellow had stole it and it was safe to go to bed. aaaaaaaaaaggggggggggghhhhhhhhh dang, what a shot in the gut when they woke up to find that not only did they lose, but they lost by such a large number. How could that be? I mean, we did everything stole votes, lied, did I say lied, and lied some more. Boy I tell ya, I was never so happy in a longgggg time. Heck raise my taxes it was worth it just the visualization of that morning for the GOP/TEEPEES lol rofl smdh
http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/
Hey Re-Elect Obama, that's a great little video. Bet mama did it before morning. smh. I give it to her though she at least didn't do name calling although she forgot he is PRESIDENT Obama. Thanks I must keep that link. Spread the joy.
Does anyone here remember that HUGE increase in their paycheck
when the Bush taxcuts took effect?? Neither do I, LOL
That is the ONLY cost of letting the Bush taxcuts end, About $10 a
week or,,,The price of a "Happy Meal" per minimum wage paycheck
WAKE UP!!!!
Bo
You will be reminded on Jan. 01,2013 if they expire.
Your take home pay will decrease by about 200 per month.
solodon, you really don't know what you are talking about do you? Fox lately? NOTHING is going to happen Jan 1. Please When will you people stop?
I think the average tax cut that Bush give was something like $19 a week for those making $50,000 and less. How do you figure you taxes will go up $200?
If the republicans who have been busy sabotaging the economy for the last four years believed that Obama's policies might hurt the economy... They wouldn't be trying to stop Obama from getting his way. They would be helping Obama hurt the economy. That way they could point to Obama and say look what he did... Vote for us again.
But that isn't what these republicans who have been sabotaging the economy are doing. They are in a panic. Why? Because they know that if Obama gets his way the economy will improve and at the same time disprove all the lies that Rush Limbaugh and FOX News have been using to feed the heads of the ignorant! Less taxes = more revenue... My Ass! More taxes = more deficits... What a crock! Rich people use tax cuts to create jobs... Bull@!$%#!
John in battle creek, Sounds like you were always suckling on the govt teet.
It beats what you suck on, difference is I paid in all my life, you? It sounds like you are a brain dead corpse.
So paying more than you get to keep is fine with you (federal + State+ Local)? Most wealthy people already pay more than 50 percent of their income in taxes. The top 5 percent already pay 60 percent of Federal Taxes. Do you show appreciation or contempt? Without those that are willing to take the risk to start a business and the long hours invested to make it successful, 2/3 of Americans would be without work. That is right. 2/3 of Americans work in small businesses. They are restaurants, cupcake stores, retail stores, accounting offices, real estate offices, hotels, doctors offices and so on. what sacrifices are you making? Democrats made the mess with the Affordable housing Act that caused the housing bubble. Democrats (Clinton) caused the loss of manufacturing jobs with NAFTA (they told us we would be a service economy...we told them this was a bad idea).
NAFTA was created during the Bush administration and implemented under Clinton. Get your facts straight.
BS! Now go off shore some more jobs... so you can bitch about the jobs numbers... keep that crap hidden in the off shore accounts... so you can weenie out, again... on paying taxes...
Greed run amuck... time to stop the nonsense, kate!
The problem arises when the rich collect nearly 80% of the wealth but only pay 60% of the taxes
Do you not understand math?
What gets me with you people is what the heck do you care what someone who makes waaaaaaaaaaaay more than you pays. You take up for them like you know what you are talking about. If I'm paying 50% of my income, they should pay 50 % of theirs if you want to know the truth. You are NOT concerned who are elderly or sick. But you are more concerned with those who can NEVER take the money they have or ever spend it all. Get this....They do not plan to give you any. Can you hear me now? They do not plan to give you one read dime. They as much as said so. And since they have the tax cuts now, where are the jobs now? What idiots.
Who is Idiot for life??? Sounds like a loser.
you? understood.
Listening to the republicans... They seem to believe that these tax cuts for the super rich have already created millions of jobs and if we keep taxes low for the super rich they will continue to let jobs and wealth rain down on the working class.
Would some liberal please explain to me how raising taxes on the "rich" will help the middle class? Please explain to me how my family sending more money to the government, is going to benefit someone who is middle class? I would love to hear how that works. Reduce the deficit? Pfffttt, we're 16 trillion in debt with no end in sight and increasing taxes won't even make a dent in it. Taxes aren't the problem. Spending is.
It is not the role of the federal government to try and make everyone more equal in income by taking money away from those the goverment feels makes "too much". You will find that no where in the Constitution. The role of the tax code is to fund government, NOT make incomes equal. And yet, this is exactly what liberals think the tax code is meant to do. This idea that if someone doesn't engage in a behavior that the government approves of...i.e "creating jobs", then those people should have their wealth forcibly taken from them is pure liberal dog sh!t.
Our family income last year was a little over 300K. That means in Obama's book we're "rich". Well I can tell you this "rich" person still cuts coupons and looks for sales and shops around for the best deal I can find.
Our charitable contributions this year will be well over 10k. If Obama has his way, I can guarantee you that next year they will look more like Joe Biden's paltry $369 dollar a year average.
But the liberals are so stuck in the past and so enamored of Bill Clinton's tax increases that they can't begin to understand a concept that says the economy in the Clinton years was good in spite of his tax increases. The liberals are convinced that it was because of the tax increases. And then liberals wonder why I think they're economic idiots.
The ONLY thing raising taxes does is give the recipient class a sense of power over the producer class, and that's ALL it does. "Oh Yeah!!, we put the screws to those eeeevil rich people didn't we...yeah, un huh, take that!!
That is EXACTLY the attitude liberals have. So go ahead raise your taxes and implement Obamacare. My wife's company employees a couple of hundred. The insurance finance person for the business told the partners that Obamacare will destroy the business. So, very soon the employees are going to be told that they will no longer get health care benefits. In addition, they will also lay off people.
And since our taxes will be going up, we won't be spending as much on goods and services. Oh yeah, that's really going to help the economy. So, I hope your little narcissistic power trip makes you feel good liberals. You'd better enjoy it while you can. In less than two years from now when the economy is tanking hard, you'll be wondering what happened and, as usual, liberals will be looking for someone else to blame.
Taxing the super rich a few extra percent will allow the government to continue to provide tax cuts for education, home loans, etc...
Things that Middle Class Americans need!
In the Clinton era... the rich payed a higher rate of tax.... this country had a damn good economy in those years... left the country in the black with a surplus... even with a sweet tax rate that GW gave ... there has been massive off shoring of jobs and profit hiding in off shore banks... making the burden bigger on all working Americans... its CRAP and it is time for it to STOP!
No problem,,,,,,,,,The rich are presently recieving 80% of the total income of the USA
However,,,,,,,,,,,,,The rich are only paying about 53% of the taxes charged because
of taxcuts, shelters, deductions for extravagance (Think of Mitt's horse, LOL)
A fundamental flaw in Republican economics
O I C Y: You might have noticed a little thing in Obamacare: He nationalized all student loans. Now what that had to do with Obamacare is a mystery, well, actually it's not, but that's for another thread. Beyond that, guess what, I'm not the "super rich". We're upper middle class, but in Obama's deluded little world, millionaires and billionaires suddenly become those making over 250K. Explain how that is super rich?
We paid over 80 grand just in federal income taxes alone last year. That doesn't include state, sales, property, licenses or fees. Taxes aren't the problem. Spending is the problem. Liberals just can't seem to get that through their head.
I get more than a bit annoyed at someone who pays little or nothing in federal income taxes telling me that I should be paying more so that it can be given to them. To hell with that. (That statement is rhetorical and not directed at you personally)
Anyone who doesn't believe that we're already paying enough can kiss my assets!
OICY
Don't you remember that HOME LOANS got us into this mess to start with? Why should we encourage sub-prime loans again??
you are lying con... that much fed tax on 250K... that is a bold face lie! And you have completely distorted the truth on student loans.... COMPLETELY
Bankers got us into this mess because you republicans took away all oversight.
Bo: The rich are not "receiving", they are EARNING what they make. Please tell me where the store is so I can go receive some of that money. There are 47 percent who pay NOTHING in federal income taxes, and that same 47 percent is the recipient of ALL of the welfare transfers.
The rich become rich because they provide and create goods and services that people wish to buy. The rich stay rich because they make wise decisions. But, becoming rich is no guarantee that you will stay rich. How many stories of professional athletes and Hollywood types have you heard going broke? The same thing happens in business, but since they aren't celebrities, you don't hear about it.
The poor are the takers who give back almost nothing in comparrison. The poor stay poor because they make poor life decisions and have no discipline when it comes to finances. You may not like the truth, but that is exactly it.
CNR, kiss your own assets, if you are not lying, which I have no doubt you are, do you have a clue as to how much $80000 is to a single mother working as a waitress? 5 or 6 years work. How about that school bus driver that takes your brat to school. 5years work if they take the sports and extra work available. You bat rastards, rich SOBs, either pay more taxes or risk a revolution. Got it? It will be your head on a stick being marched around town showing off a good fascist. Its time you rich bitches started to pay your share of the bill again.
leftward bound: Unless you earn that much, and have filed a 1040 reflecting that level of income, you don't have a clue. Just another one of the people who thinks they know more about what I pay than I do. And I didn't say 250K, I said we earned a little over 300k. And yeah, if you make that much and most of your home is paid off, as ours is, then you don't have many other deductions.
But I tell you what, since you know so much, you tell me what deductions I can take that I'm not doing so already. I pay a CPA 700 bucks every year to do our taxes, and they sure as hell can't find them. But they did tell me taxes will be going up this year. No surprise there.
John: As I said in my first post:
Thanks for proving that point so succinctly. I do not exist to serve the state. I am NOT the personal ATM of the putrid, bloated federal gubment. America is NOT the federal gubment.
By the way, we drive our son to school, we pay for private schools and are still taxes for those that attend public schools, so in addition to the 80 grand just in federal taxes, we're also carrying the freight for 2 kids to attend public school.
And yeah, I know how much 80 grand is because I used to make 19 thousand a year. But our family wasn't willing to settle for that and we've worked our a$$ off to make our lives better. You drive a bus, sweep a floor, put a part on a machine. Fine, you get what you're worth. Deal with it.
The student loan reform was not in Obamacare, it was in the SAFRA reconciliation act.
The Federal Family Education Loan program was a huge waste of money and gigantic pile of free cash for private lenders. Not only were students and families on the hook to repay the loans, but taxpayers finance the loans while also guaranteeing the loans. In other words, we were all paying for subsidies to banks to lend money to students, but then if a student defaulted on the loan, taxpayer money was reimbursing the banks for 97% of the loss. It's was an enormous government handout to for-profit lending institutions.
SAFRA made the federal government the only lender of student loans and cut out private lenders from the process.
hm $80k and $300k income, that means you paid an effective rate of 27%, when you should be closer to 35%. You're shorting the revenues that would otherwise help to close the gap.
Re-Elect: Let's not get too Clintonesque about it shall we. Here's the first two paragraphs from the Washington Post, hardly a bastion of conservative thought. It was fully intended that the two be passed together, to try and claim otherwise is false.
As far as the income, I was talking in ballpark numbers. If you want the actual numbers, I went and looked:
Our AGI was 340K. We paid 83 thousand in taxes through the year, and then at tax time, had to fork over another 4100 dollars.
Again, that's just federal taxes. Not state, not local, not sales, not property, licenses, not fees. Just federal taxes.
Anyone who is paying little or nothing in federal taxes, but thinks I should be paying even more, is living under a fantasy under a delusion beyond belief. If we weren't 16 Trillion in debt, you might be able to justify that argument, but with congress spending way more than it takes in year after year, the argument falls flatter than a pancake.
You'll find the same people still, even in the face of escalating health insurance rates (due to Obamacare) are still trying to say Obamacare is going to cost you less. You can't name me one nationally implemented federal program that has not cost exponentially more than first projected (i.e. SS, Medicare, Amtrak etc) and not grown far beyond it's original scope and intent....but somehow Obamacare is going to be different??
If you believe that, you truly are a worshipper of the federal government without reservation or reason.
progrssiveforlife
Keep suckling on the govt teet..
The GOP/Tea Beggers are never going to violate their "Tax Pledge" to "Goofy Grover." Now they have no problem violating their 'pledges' to the American People, the US Constitution, the US Economy, and the Office Of The Presidency. The "Bonehead Boehner Bunch," and "Crazy Cantor's Cronies" will never raise taxes on their very rich special interest friends. Hey America! Have you read Draper's Book yet? Read his book America, and it will open your eyes to what the GOP/Tea Beggers are really up to. Read about their "Blood Oath," and what they all agreed to do to our nation.
There are several key republicans moving away from the pledge, and I've read reports that state Wall Street is making noises about dissing him too.
Roll over Grover.
I SERIOUSLY have republican friends that are still in shock....and their way of dealing with it is to amp up the anti-obama insults, lies, degradation, and fear-mongering. I am shocked at 1. their assumption they were going to win, and 2. their behavior and reaction to losing. Some are barely lucid. I'm beginning to think there's some kind of mental illness going on here.....
I've known that republicanism is a severe mental disorder for quite some time. Thinking that women can't get pregnant from a rape, or that no women ever die from child birth, or that planet earth is only 6000 years old, or that Adam & Eve rode a dinosaur to church every Sunday to pray to baby Jesus isn't something mentally healthy people do.
Julia: Whew, I'm so glad the liberals didn't do that to George Bush. Oh, wait, I forgot, they did do that to George Bush. Let some group make a movie about assassinating Obama, as was done with George Bush (which many liberals applauded) and watch the hypocritical left go ape sh!t.
The only thing Obama did for his first 4 years in office was blame George Bush. His 2nd term will be no different.
Bush had the poise to never say a word about Obama's attacks regardless of how big the pile of bullsh!t got. Obama, on the other hand is such a thin skinned, hyper sensitive, putrid little pile of dog sh!t, he cries like a little baby anytime someone criticizes him in the least.
The liberal camp did that to George Bush for most of his term in office. In fact, I still have liberal friends that are prostrate on the floor, foaming at the mouth with epileptic, apoplectic quivering because Al Gore lost. They still haven't gotten over it.
So please, spare me this implication that when liberals lose, they do so with grace and aplomb and vow to compromise and never say anything about the opponent they lost to. Your delusional one sided view is a total pile of horse sh!t. Got that Julia? It's horse sh!t.
By the way, I wasn't a Romney supporter, nor did I vote for him. I voted for the Libertarian candidate.
My mom saw it coming a long tome ago. She called the tea party "old die hards". We the people know
they don't mean what they are appearing to be saying. They don't want to raise taxes for the top 2%.
I have to say CHIP GIROUARD 6021679 is right when he says that the"current administration's economic advisors would hand me my lunch".What he left off was: they would also hand me my dinner ,bus my tables and sweep the floors,but then I am not sure they could do that without someone thinking for them.
Suppose I throw a party. 100 people show up. We all get together and order a huge pizza and tell them to slice it into 100 slices. The first guy in line to take a piece grabs 40 pieces. The next guy says to the first guy... "How about only taking 39 slices of pizza"... And then all the FOX News watching Rush Limbaugh mindless zombies all shout to the second guy in line... "THAT'S SOCIALISM"!
Ever since Ronald Reagan turned us into a trickle down nation... All the burden has been on the working class and all the benefits have gone to the upper class.
Ronald Reagan was a total dumbass for thinking if we just give the rich people all the money it will rain money and jobs on the working class. We can start to tell these republicans... NO MORE!
It's so simple for the simple minded, right OICY?
Two thumbs up, he still has people believing he is God, but I remember the tent city's and the soup kitchens that became necessary from his recession. This country did not get better until Clinton, it didn't take W. long to screw up the prosperity. Worst president ever, and I mean ever, even in other countries, W. Bush holds the record. World wide failure.
Did Cigar sales go up or down during Clinton years?
Until people face some facts nothing will get done and the crap they write on here is usless destructive babble.
1) There is NO!! difference between the Republican and Democratic parties. They are on the same team and its like watching big time wrestling. Its a script. Obama won because it was planned that way. Our voting 's sole purpose is to give us the illusion that we have some kind of control. WE DONT.
2) The jobs are not coming back. If your job hasnt been replaced by computers and automation, it will be soon. The unemployment problem is not due to policy. Its due to computers can do the job of 500 people in a fraction of the time. Until we switch to a resource based economy from a capitol debt based economy, you better learn how to enjoy your time off.
3) Turn off the TV! Its poison. With your new found freedom bone up on REAL history on You Tube and use it like a library. Dont take just one videos word for it. Dig deep. We have to educate ourselves now and come together as communities. Really come together between all peoples and even be as truthful to ourselves as we can. Recognize when these psychopaths in power are purposely trying to divide us on all fronts.
I am NOT the same as some imbecile republican who believes that women can't get pregnant from a rape, and that rich people are not greedy bastards and will let some wealth trickle back down on me just as soon as they have enough of my money.
People that blame both parties have no eyes, no ears, and not brain.
I was hoping that sitting on opposite sides of the aisle and pointing at each other would somehow fix everything.