The only really important numbers:

Obama #1

Romney #2

Thankfully.

Right, Republicans don't believe in math, so even if Obama won the election, won a supermajority in the Senate, and a majority in the House, they still wouldn't cooperate (or yeah, that did happen in 2008--I rest my case). Don't expect any cooperation no matter how big his mandate is.

Romney #2

SmallBiz,

Actually, from the figures above, Willard is #22! ;o)

OUCH!

Happy Thanksgiving to you & you family!

Progressive Power Productions has another classic episode of "Darth Roooooove!" AKA. Karl Rove." The GOP/RNC "Master Of Madness and Misinformation." The episode was written on March 6, 2012 in First Read. It is one of the posts in the Programming Notes for that day. This episode is entitled. "The Tuesday GOP/RNC Clown Show. Read it and then post it up for everyone to enjoy. Then let me know what you thought about this episode. Thanks.

Is it just me or are these FR writers getting a bit of twisted pleasure in driving the proverbial knife a little deeper? Don't get me wrong, I am happy to read anything that shows just how much of a loser The Flip Flopper is, along with most of the Republican party and their constituents, but have some heart, guys! On second thought..........they do deserve it! LOL

Thank God that President Obama is our President, and Willard Romney will never ever be President of the United States.

Yes that is a mandate, listen up GOP get with the program and work for the American people, do the right thing and leave your disgraced ideology at the door. America first!!

Feisty - I see Allen West finally conceded his race in Florida! The Republicans just can't accept the fact that the American peope are getting smarter and don't want their kind of politics!

Feisty - have a Great Thanksgiving - if I don't get to "talk" with you before then!

Double #2 I'd call it!

...yes, Alaska, he and the rest of them deserve it. They were certainly giving it before they should have been, and it didn't quite work out for them!

Happy TG to you two too!

Then let me know what you thought about this episode.

Prog,

I'm agonna have to check it out and get back to ya! ☺

I see Allen West finally conceded his race in Florida!

YAY!

One more bat @!$%# crazy tea bagger sent back to the "cave"!

Feisty - have a Great Thanksgiving - if I don't get to "talk" with you before then!

Seeking,

You too darling!

My house is sparkling, the fridge & bar are well stocked, now it's only a matter of time before the festivities commence!

Mandate!

Very interesting article.

I always thought Adlai Stevenson was a popular candidate.

Reading about Stevenson going up against the Russians during the Kennedy Admin, together with the fact that there are a number of books written about him, I assumed he was a pretty popular figure in the 1950's and I just assumed he lost in a close election, particularly the '52 one.

If you look at political movies during that period, it seemed everyone was for Adlai.

But it just wasn't the case.

My mother was a big fan of Wendell Wilkie. "Poor Wendell, Such a nice man!" she used to say : )

Too true, SBOinNY! Hey, right back at ya!

Happy Thanksgiving to all my FR "friends"! May you all have a safe, happy and bountiful day! Let us all give thanks that president Barack Obama is at the helm, among all the other things we should be thankful for.

MANDATE! MANDATE! MANDATE! MANDATE!

Feisty - I'm on my way to your house!!! Sounds like it's set up perfectly! :-)

Happy Thanksgiving to all - even you silly Republicans!

"Where Obama, Romney rank in Electoral College scores"

I guess this article is for all those yahoos who kept posting here every day for four years, demanding to see President Obama's college transcripts.

Hey, guys - I got your "college" transcripts right here!

Feisty - I'm on my way to your house!!! Sounds like it's set up perfectly! :-)

You know you're always welcome, I'll pick you up at the Roselle train station, it's only a few blocks from me! ;o)

MANDATE - MANDATE - MANDATE - MANDATE - MANDATE - MANDATE - MANDATE!!!!

Mandate!

Perhaps Republicans are confused by that word? Maybe they think a 'mandate' is when two guys go out together. LOL

Soon - very soon!

Oh, kaybee, you definitely gave me my LOL of the day! Your explanation just may be the reason they are so against the "mandate". We know that so many in the GOP have issues with same sex relationships. Thanks for the funny!

Happy Thanksgiving!

Obama 62,156,980
Romney 58,805,060 Mandate

Bush: 62,040,606
Kerry: 59,028,109 Not a Mandate

How do you reconcile this?

thetotas - easy - if you'll remember, Bush said he HAD a mandate and he didn't get 322 Electorial College votes! He only got 286!

Caesar - You still sound a little pissed over the "Ass" kicking you got on election day. Oh well better luck next time. "LOL"

Alaska Girl ...

Is it just me or are these FR writers getting a bit of twisted pleasure in driving the proverbial knife a little deeper?

I've noticed that with all these new stats, all of our old FR friends who had so many polls to pick and choose from, have packed their bags and left!

Yes, and I say good riddance to all of them who have actually left. I am quite certain that there are a number of them who have "morphed" into another username so as to hide their shame!

Caesar - You still sound a little pissed over the "Ass" kicking you got on election day. Oh well better luck next time. "LOL"

Hey buddy, nah im ok with it really. I mean my world wasnt going to end, i never made any 'threats' of leaving if Romney didnt win. but seriously though Obama's reelection, House in GOP control and Senate in DNC control kinda sounds like the past 2 years right? So nothing changed. I dont consider that a mandate either but i dont really care. I dont hide the fact that I dont think Obama is a good president so what? You and your hard lefty friends seem to be irked by the fact that i dont worship the living diety like you guys do? Doesnt seem too tolerant now does it. Tell me what 'Change' do you expect to see with the Status Quo? I suspect you would rather wait till 2014 and HOPE the election rids the majority of the House of the GOP.

I hope there is some change and soon despite the partisans. i dont like the dominant rule of one party of either side and i suspect you understand why that is. I have been adamant about that. if you chose to dismiss or ignore that, then tuam culpa.

LOL .... i'm a little surprized willard ended up 22nd .... odd indeed ....

Happy Thanksgiving ... enjoy ! Thankful for FB peeps and the education ! ... not to mention the life-line throughout the election process when i was freaking out .... lol ... eat, drink and be merry !

A Donkey kicked an elephant in the arse - we are all thankful for that...

Happy Thanksgiving!

Pigotry! Yay!!!!

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

Totas- for what it's worth, I might also observe that by this point in Cheney's presidency,a good portion of the world was in what amounted to open rebellion against the United States, our foriegn policy, and indeed against pretty much anything that even reminded them of American politics, society or culture.

The United States was at an all-time low in terms of how the rest of the world viewed us; surely you were acquainted with a friend or a colleague who ostentatiously displayed a Maple Leaf pin on their clothing or luggage when they visited Europe, Latin America, or the Far East from 2003- 2009?

It's a shameful but undeniable fact that the arrogance, the bloodlust, and the utter disregard for human decency that was flaunted by the minions of the Cheney regime, at every level, destroyed not only the considerable sympathy that had been aroused by 9/11, but pretty much wiped out any residual good will from the fence-mending efforts by the two Democratic presidents who served since Viet Nam.

Considering the contempt that most Republicans show for the opinions of even their own countrymen, it's not the least bit surprising that they have even less regard for those of a buncha damn socialist furriners with funny names. It may well be that you're not even bothered by the notion that America in the '00s had a worse reputation than Germany in the '30s or the Soviet Union in the '50s. It may even be that you're just peachy with your country being regarded as a kind of drunken biker with nukes.

A few of us, however, realize that this is the only planet we're gonna get, and we'd better at least try to get along with the other people on it.

Happy Thanksgiving to all my FR friends. We certainly have something to be deliriously happy about this year with the re-election of President Obama and the butt kicking the Republicans took and will continue to take. I am a happy, happy girl. It is a beautiful night here in Central Florida. The windows are open for a change and it is getting chilly tonight. Looking forward to the holiday with friends and family and the cats who love turkey and gravy, too.

My favorite snack now is "Elephant Ear.' The Elephant is defeated...having falling to the ground...I grabbed the elephant ear...as snack...what's the use to even have an ear on an elephant who doesn't listen to people anyway...that's why the elephant lost in this election.

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Happy thanksgiving...because I have elephant ear for snack. mmmmmmm.... crunchy ....mmmmmmm..... bloody .... delicious

This ranking system is totally stupid! Clearly there needs to be two separate listings. One is for winners and one for losers. On second thought, who cares about losers, especially (R) losers. I sure don't!

I am SAOooo thankful "The World" dodged a very big bullet. I am still smiling!

Happy Thanksgiving to ALL.

Speaking of presidents and with the aura of the new movie Lincoln, we never hear much about what became of the Abraham Lincoln family. Of 4 sons, only one lived to marry and have children. Tad, the youngest son, died when he was 18 years old, 6 years after the death of his father, after becoming ill upon his return from a European trip with his mother.

Robert Todd Lincoln, Abe's oldest son, died in 1926 at the age of 82. His last public appearance was for the dedication of the Lincoln Memorial in DC. He had 3 children & 3 grandchildren.

Robert Todd Lincoln Beckwith was President Lincoln's great grandson and son to Robert Todd Lincoln's daughter. He was the last descendant of Abraham Lincoln. He died in 1985 at the age of 81, leaving no heirs.

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President Lincoln's son Robert Todd Lincoln was an interesting man who led a productive and long life and was throughout his life very proud of his father Abraham Lincoln.

Here is a photo of Tad in his teenage years.

http://rogerjnorton.com/Lincoln69.html

Here's Robert at the dedication of the Lincoln Memorial in 1922, 4 years before he passed away:

http://www.ancientfaces.com/photo/robert-todd-lincoln-1922/416154

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I haven't seen the movie as yet but appears to be a giant of a film.

I'm looking forward to seeing Lincoln with my family this Thanksgiving weekend, Pat. Totally my kind of film: historical and instructional, and Daniel Day-Lewis is awesome. Spielberg always makes a high-quality production.

In a sense, we are all descendants of Abraham Lincoln...not by blood, but out of respect for his service and his sacrifice.

i dont like the dominant rule of one party of either side and i suspect you understand why that is. I have been adamant about that.

Caesar, I think we all agree that in a perfect world, our government would be run in a rational, bi-partisan manner.

There would be diligent, hard-working representatives in all branches of government, putting the people before politics. The good of the country would come before self-interest.

There would be no vows by the losing side to crater the administration of a newly elected president. There would be no crazy talk about birth certificates, religious affiliation, or radical associations. There would be honest and open communication and compromise on all issues, including tax rates.

No one would question the patriotism of the opposition or lie brazenly about officials or candidates.

Whenever the GOP is ready, Caesar. Until then, they should expect to lose a rightful place at the table.

kaybeetoys, let us know how you liked the movie. For some reason it's not playing in my area yet. We're all waiting...waiting...waiting for it to come to our neck of the woods.

Happy Thanksgiving to you.

So under the logic of the Obama supporters, if Obama won by one vote in each state and thus 50 votes overall but received over 500 electoral college votes, Obama would have a mandate. Sorry, there is no mandate in an election in which the votes are so polarized. When Obama wins with big margins from the economic groups that are expect big returns in government largesse (eg unions, trial lawyers, those making less than 30k a year, young single people and those groups collecting all forms of government largesse), thats not a mandate. Unless I guess you think the mandate is increasing the economic role of government.

SmBusOwnerinNY

The only really important numbers:

Obama #1

Romney #2

The next really really important number is Romney's 47.61% of the popular vote.

Oh the irony...............

This is not meant to be a partizan statement. more an observation.

I started my own firm in 1978 and have traveled to 41 countries over the ensuing years. When visiting Africa or the Far East, NBA trinkets are always a popular ice-breaker with the local kids. During the Bush years, I was painfully aware that many foreigners were puzzled by our policies and it was a time to be prudent and non-argumentative in certain circumstances for self preservation.

President Obama has enhanced our image around the world beyond belief. An American accent encourages genuine smiles of appreciation almost everywhere I travel. I consider this a tangible good thing and I am 'Thankful' and hopeful that the world looks to us as a friend.

Happy Thanksgiving to ALL FR posters - no matter what your political or religious beliefs.

The White House announced the federal government will spend $6 billion over four years for a “sustainable energy future” plan with Asian countries that involves loaning tax dollars to other countries to increase their purchasing power for U.S. technology, services and equipment.

“Recognizing that energy and the environment are among the most pressing issues confronting our region, President Obama, in partnership with Sultan Haji Hassanal Bolkiah of Brunei and President of the Republic of Indonesia Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, today proposed the U.S.-Asia Pacific Comprehensive Partnership for a Sustainable Energy Future,” the White House announced Tuesday as Obama visits Asian Pacific countries.

The initiative comes after the Obama administration has been criticized for spending billions to subsidize U.S.-based green energy companies that went on to declare bankruptcy, including Solyndra, Ener1, A123, Beacon Power and other failed renewable energy ventures.

I am so friggin glad obama loves giving away my tax dollars since we have so much money to spare. I do not suppose he would be willing to donate a million of his dollars to asian countries for clean energy. Man, he just never amazes me enough. We are in deep shi* people. He has not even started his second term and he is givibg awaw six billion of our tax dollars. One billion dollars is a 6'x6' pallet stacked 5' high of 100.00 bills, and he is giving away 6 of them, unfriggin real.

I love these political/election factoids.

Here's another:

Since 1928 there has NOT been a GOP/Republican administration that hasn't had a Nixon or a Bush in it (POTUS or VP). Is it any wonder it's such a screwed up party!

It's too bad that the Democrat running for president is always spotted 55 electoral votes from California, a state that is severely lost. Washington and Oregon are lost as well. We should sell California to the Chinese and pay off the debt owed to them. (just joking,... kinda) Save the national parks though. It's a foreign country anyway with all the Asians and Mexicans there.

Alan: Nobody has lied about Benghazi - at least not that we know as of today. Your repetition of Fox talking points does not make it so and the FACTS are proving otherwise

I am truly sorry you see no hope for America but suggest you read up a little on these FACTS coming out about Benghazi before you leap into Hannity's parallel universe. Maybe you will be pleasantly surprised what a great country we live in. One where you don't jump to conclusions before you hear the FACTS or besmirch the career of our future SOS without due process.

Awww poor little alan, no you sad because California has 55 EV. What a shame, looser!!

@Allan - Still smarting from the Prez's azz kicking of Romoney. I understand your pain but "it is what is"! Your silly statement(even feigned tongue in cheek) about selling off California would be a Vulture Capitalist's dream, wouldn't it. Asians and Hispanics are Americans too! Not that your racial & cultural bias would allow you to understand that. Keep up the good work of being a Repukelican and I can assure you a swift ride to the garbage dump is in your sides immediate future. Oh yeah, don't even think about drill for oil in our treasured National Parks, ya azz wipe!

@Belfast Lad - Thanks for the kind words about the President in your post 1.42. I'm sure you can see the vile (R) opposition is batsh1t crazy. Those nut jobs rarely go out of the country, much less their county or state and still fervently believe that "W" Bush is worshipped by all the filthy masses around the world. Happy Thanksgiving to you as well!

One problem I have with this article. The table at the end of it is titled "Presidents' Electoral Votes by Average" or something like that.

Willard Romney's name is on that list and he's not a President. Just thought I'd point that out.

Can anyone say one of the Greatest Presidents of our time: President Barack Obama

Look at little Alan accusing Obama of being a liar. Guys, this is what psychology calls projection. It's a defense mechanism where the subject projects his own faults or misdeeds (in this case his candidate's) onto his opponent.

Romney is the one who, hands-down according to non-partisan sites like politifact, won the contest for biggest liar.

Go research how many lies the flip-flopper told during the debates. First he was liberal Romney, then he was "severely conservative" Romney, then he was centrist Romney. And never did he even give any details to his plan.

Now quit blaming the honorable President Obama with your childish projected smears, and own up to the facts behind why your side lost.

Not bad for just a community organizer. :o)

Congrats MSNBC, your beloved PEW center has determined that you are in fact the most hate-filled, biased, and pathetic "news" site on the web:

Study: Fox News, MSNBC more 'extreme' in final week of campaign

"Fox News was much more positive about (Mitt) Romney than the press as a whole and substantially more negative about (President Barack) Obama. MSNBC was even more overwhelmingly negative about Romney and offered mostly positive coverage about Obama.

The study indicates Fox News' negative coverage of Obama grew from 47% in the first four weeks of October to 56% in the final week, while positive coverage of Romney grew eight points, from 34% to 42%, in the final week.

Meanwhile on MSNBC, positive coverage of Obama grew from 33% during the first four weeks of October to 51% in the last week. MSNBC's negative coverage of Romney increased 11 points in the last week, from 57% to 68%."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/20/study-fox-news-msnbc-more-extreme-in-final-week-of-campaign/?hpt=hp_bn3

What do you expect from a group that would edit a 911 call to make it appear racially divisive?

Enjoy it liberals, you deserve it.

Why didn't you use weighted averages instead of just putting a note letting people know when states were added to the electoral college?

By doing a straight average you are putting Romney barely behind Teddy Roosevelt. I mean come on. This list borders on being worthless.

Obama 62,156,980
Romney 58,805,060 Mandate

Bush: 62,040,606
Kerry: 59,028,109 Not a Mandate

How do you reconcile this?

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Let's see, my guess, it's a mandate IF the loser doesn't get at least 58,805,061 popular votes. Awwww, sorry Willard...so close!!!

Maybe you guys can push for a Constitutional change declaring what threshold needs to be crossed to be considered a mandate. Good luck with that.

@Rick - Your mental gymnastics is astounding but still a fail. Who says "To have a mandate you have to run on something, and not just against your opponent". Please cite a credible source. Are you saying, "its just so unfair to take advantage of a weak and vacillating candudate"? Grow up and put your big boy pants on, partner. You may have heard, "politics ain't a game of beanbag". Its for adults and if one candudate is a dud, ya gotta call em' as you see em'. Then you say, "Unless the President's Party controls Congress there is just no such thing as a mandate any longer". Really, then this entire election process was for nothing and the electorate is to blame for not giving all the power to either side? Earth to Rick! Guess, I must have missed that memo! Next, "What happened to Obamas' ability to unite the nation and get Washington working together"? You tell me, Einstein! How would any ones ability to lead be possible when one sides program(or pogrom), from before he was inaugurated, was to make the President a one and done proposition and regardless of what the President proposed all he got was a incessant NO, NO WAY and Hell, NO! So its all his fault? Did your noggin come equipped with a functioning brain cell? So in conclusion, if the President can't get the horse to drink water, its all on him. Your blinders are quite attractive on you and provide a lovely tunnel vision effect but I fail to see how you can come up with such a distorted view of reality, then again your a Con-servatude? I guess, I answered my own question.

This is one big happy family.

Obama greatest president of our time? I guess 4 year olds have computers now.

To all the Fiesty's out there, don't forget to thank the volunteers dishing out your food.

So under the logic of the Obama supporters, if Obama won by one vote in each state and thus 50 votes overall but received over 500 electoral college votes, Obama would have a mandate. Sorry, there is no mandate in an election in which the votes are so polarized.

Actually, the logic of the Obama supporters is that more people support Obama's tax policies than voted for Obama himself. This is what it means to have a mandate. That many on the other side also agree with you.

The same is also true about Obamacare, interestingly enough.

GUESSHECAN'T - Why should we be grateful? Because you have generously offered to share your gruel? Now shut up and pass the mashed potatoes, hog jaws!

Mr.Burns Your name calling just shows us all that you are a uneducated ignorant person when President Obama was elected the economy was the worse than it had been since in the 1930's we were losing 850,000 jobs a month and your friends the obstructing Republicans have only tried to make things worse thinking it would get them back in charge but we the American people saw what they were doing and if they keep trying to obstruct they will lose the Congress next time around in 2 years ,You have a good day bad mouthing good hard working people at least we aren't a bunch of tax cheats that lie and steal to avoid paying our fair share of taxes so if you want to talk about leeches how about taking a look in a mirror the next time before you are so eager to spout off your hate and fear mongering .

Except for the very honorable Jimmy Carter, Romney is at the top of a bunch of nobodies. Enjoy your retirement, and go away now.

God works in mystery ways, Congratulations to the President !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey jake, After Jimmy Carter term, he did more than any President in History to go out and help Americans in need, stop with all the hate - The Carter family has my fullest respect !!!!

In my neighborhood, on the front lawns of houses that sit on acres of land, there once were Romney/Ryan signs, now some of MY neighbors have replaced those signs with ; "U PRAYED YET"

I had the nerve to ask one of my neighbors what did that mean, he said "PRAYED" for America under the Obama administration, so I told him I PRAYED all the time, but yes I PRAYED the day/night of the election and my prayers were answered, President Obama/VP Biden won. He really didn't like that, but he did stay cordial in his conversation.

He also had McCain/Palin signs 4 years ago. We didn't put any signs up this year, last year they (who, you ask?) kept destroying our yard signs....LOL So this year I said, it's okm they (who, you ask?) know whom I'll be voting for...LOL

Anyone else see these "U PRAYED YET," signs pop up in your neighborhood? They have green background, white letters, all caps?

Amused,

he got the Fox plugin for his blinders.

Popular vote: Romney 47%.

Justice, irony, and something to be thankful for.

Patriotic American: I think you misread Jake. What he was saying is that Pres. Jimmy Carter is honorable. I would disagree with Jake that the rest are losers though: Kerry won the popular vote in Ohio in 2004 (and should have been given the Presidency, but the win was found out after election fraud was found after a careful recount, and by then the Ohio Sec. of State and the Supreme Court had anointed king Bush). Some of the others had honorable actions too, even though they did not win: Al Gore has tried to warm people about climate change, even though few listened. I wish that New Orleans and New York had higher seawalls at least. There is a huge difference between the Dems and Repubs: some of the Dems tried to help others after their run for Presidency.

Alan...geez. California had a 42 BILLION dollar deficit under Republican governor Schwarzenegger. Um, by 2014 under Governor Brown (a Democrat, if folks don't know), it will be ZERO. Like our national debt after the Clinton administration before Bush the younger decided to take on two wars without asking anyone to PAY for them!

Oh, another worthless article. Read:

http://news.msn.com/world/egypts-morsi-grants-himself-far-reaching-powers

Here's the voting analysis I like:

Obama won 52% to 48% (roughly), however, somewhere around 30% of Americans are crazy. Seriously. A whopping 60% of Republicans are young earth creationists (see wikipedia's level of support for evolution) and 30% still believe he's muslim. So if you subtract out the bat-crazy Fox News audience and look at the sane portion of America, Obama won something like 52 - 18, or nearly 3:1.

It's too bad that the Democrat running for president is always spotted 55 electoral votes from California, a state that is severely lost. Washington and Oregon are lost as well.

I'm old enough to remember when CA was a closely contested state. If it solidly Democractic now, that is no one's fault but the Republicans for continuing to pursue policies that are putting it at odds with the sensibilities of an increasing number of Americans. A party that appeals only to the southern states and the lightly-populated midwestern states is never going to be a national party again.

The GOP has entered into an unholy alliance with the social conservatives and is doomed to a slow, but certain, decline until it neuters them.

Barry-NJ, and one fundamental point the GOP should never be dismissive of, the matter of TRUST (or lack there of) - in the GOP's own words (which the GOP conveniently & blindly ignored)...

redstate.com/erick/2011/10/31/mitt-romney-the-magically-malleable-man-of-mystery/

Yeah, and republicans aren't out getting dirt on the dem canidates either. What world do you live in if you think only progressives are out digging up dirt on conservatives.

I know why you feel this way because you are a conservative with a 1 track mind. Do you remember when conservatives dug up dirt on Obama for his Pastor in 2008 (Rev Wright). Remember that, Fox news couldnt stop playing the videos.

notsofunny - try reading comprehension. It is the media working on demographics not "progressives." However, it is always wise for each party to know where their strengths and weaknesses are in order to see how they might do things differently in the future.

And, no one slings dirt like Republicans!

And, no one slings dirt like Republicans!

How John McCain can still be a member of the Republican Party after the despicable manner with which he was dispatched in South Carolina in 2000 is beyond me.

Funny,

Your statement equates the "media" and "progressives." Not the same. Everybody is dissecting the demographics. ?To me, there's nothing really surprising there. All the expected people vote the way you'd expect. I'd prefer some real surprises in there.

Results of the 2012 U.S. Presidential election:

Barack H. Obama
Joseph R. Biden, Jr.
Democratic Party
63,679,412 votes cast
50.73% of the popular vote
332 total electoral votes
61.7% of total electoral votes

Willard Mitt Romney
Paul Ryan
Republican
59,769,964
47.61%
206
38.3%

Gary Johnson
James P. Gray
Libertarian
1,236,280
0.98%
0
0.0%

Jill Stein
Cheri Honkala
Green
445,247
0.35%
0
0.0%

Other (+)
-
-
398,783
0.32%

Everybody is dissecting the demographics.

...even Reince Priebus and the RNC have stat geeks going crazy over the numbers and the demographic breakdowns.

...that the Republican message of the 2012 campaign was rejected by various demographics...doesn't that bother you?

Feisty, it isn't interesting. Obama took 50% of the vote and the majority of the electoral votes.

Now why is the media focusing on demographics? Do we all need to be placed in a category for some reason by the progressives?

Rather than progress on with this information, shouldn't the progressives be out trying to dig up dirt on the next election from the possible candidates from the Republican side?

The numbers show that Obama earned 50.73% of the popular vote to Romney's 47.61%, a margin of slightly over 3%. The media focuses on demographics because there is valuable information contained in those numbers. Elections are won by votes, and votes are cast by people, and categories of people tend to vote alike. For the sake of targeting and messaging, voters are placed in multiple categories depending on various factors. Obama won the election in part because he ran a much better-organized campaign and made good use of the data, so don't knock the value of numbers.

Romney, the 'great businessman' (LOL) ran a lousy campaign in comparison. He would have been a lame POTUS, as was demonstrated by his lame campaign. What a lot of wasted money...but it wasn't Romney's money. He believes in using Other People's Money (OPM).

The best man won.

We don't need to dig up dirt on your candidates, honey. They're shoveling dirt all over themselves and we don't need to lift a finger.

It is the media working on demographics not "progressives."

Interesting, the media isn't a bastion of liberal thinking? Only those evil folks at Faux News tell lies. Since when did any of the alphabet news channels, such as the author of the article, MSNBC, spout anything other than liberal thinking?

Obama won because of demographics.

America is a very diverse country and that is CHANGE

the GOP needs to get use too.

Yeah because Brian Ross wasnt quick to claim Tea Party was behind the Aurora shooting. Unintended Consequences. Very truthful the media is aint it.

notsofunnygirl - unless you're a radical rightie - every single day media outlets tell what is actually going on. But to those of the far right that don't understand truth or facts, I guess this would be hard to comprehend. Darn, it might be downright impossible!

god you are so boring with the same old song and dance everyone is dumb except you and your ilk Seeking. Please throw down some of those facts that the far right dont understand. And for the record, just because you type doesnt make it fact.

CA - then darlin - don't read my posts! Pretty simple really!

Seeking, why aren't you perusing your P&L rather than be on here all day long?

How's you employee costs going? When they rise from the current percentage and your revenues don't rise appreciably, what will you do - lay off those employees or attempt to raise revenues in a downturn market?

So tell us all about Duke. Know what city the university is in? Who's the problem basketball child for Duke?

CA - then darlin - don't read my posts! Pretty simple really!

not a fan of the ignore and well its somewhat difficult to over look your stupid comments several times of the day. However that probably is the best said thing i have seen you post to date, it was actually logical.

However with that said, you do tend to lump me in with the 'far righties' so I do want to see some of these pesky facts that i am so 'terrified' of.

Seeking, I think 1funny girl can't understand the difference between liberal, conservative (which many of the "LETTER" channels are) and tea party bat sh*t crazy news FOX - which is where she tends to pull her talking points of the day from.

Layton- notsofunnygirl doesn't understand much for someone who works for the government and threatened to have my computer screwed up! I really don't think the FBI is going to take that kindly when they get around to looking into her threat. Pretty sure that's actually illegal and can cause termination. But, we'll see. Tick tock!

She has no talking points - just cuts and pastes nonsense or regurgitates what she hears on FOX!

notsofunnygirl - OMG - you're trying to do another Kirk? Please - you don't want to stoop to his level and his ignorance. Durham is where Duke is located. Don't have a clue who the problem child is on the basketball team this year - but there's usually one and Coach K always works it out. And, just because you're stupid enough to go this route, Randy's is good for Pizza but I like Amante's better. However, the best food in NC is always the BBQ because it is unique there.

Now happy? 'Cause you're clearly as arrogant and dumb as Kirk! You really don't want to go there!

Layton, then perhaps you can show me which news outlet(s) are conservative and not bat shlt crazy as you lefties so eloquently put it.

SS - Thanks, you too!

And all of the "bests" are based on each person's tastes anyway so they are all stupid questions and answers will vary as much as the people answering them. But Allen & Son is GREAT for BBQ!

Layton & SS, you got a hanger on....looks like pizza boy looking for attention again. How pathetic.

Good afternoon all.

Noid, thanks for reminding us of the utterly ruthless and disgustingly underhanded savaging that Karl Rove inflicted on John McCain in 2000. Many of us further noted that in order to win the nomination in 2008, McCain either diluted, renounced, retreated from or denied pretty much every principle he'd ever claimed to represent or hold dear. In order to please the extreme right kingmakers, the "Maverick" was gelded, and along the way lost all of the respect that many Democrats (including your faithful scribe) held him in.

FunnyGirl, you poor dear, I'm going to try to get this across to you one more time, in very simple terms: Reality has a liberal bias. That is why you can't escape the suspicion that everybody except Fox Entertainment is slanting their coverage... because the world just runs that way. Open your mind and you'll be surprised at how much you've been missing. The world is a symphony, and you're listening only to one badly out-of-tune trumpet.

Chris@SLC

Layton & SS, you got a hanger on....looks like pizza boy looking for attention again. How pathetic.

not attention just seeing if any of you can actually put up? from the looks of it Spelling Bee Chris, the answer would be no.

now chris you can just ignore me like many others including Layton and Seeking for the most part and enjoy your acoustic echo chamber.

one funny girl- interesting Diane Sawyer current news anchor ABC was a Nixon aide and after he left the WH she was with him in Calif. Must be a strong democrat

Brian Williams- saw a post where he admitted being a Young Republican in college

Tom Brokow- coming from Montana which has voted Republican since I believe 1922 which party affiliation do you think he has.

The liberal media bias is a conservative fiction

Caesar,

Layton and SS have you on ignore? Wow, so that's how it works, or not.

they just ignore me. they made the claims that conservatives are afraid of facts and I somehow get lumped into the conservative category. I figured I would challenge them to these facts that I fear so much.. I got crickets instead. Im still waiting for Layton to also provide the news outlet(s) that are conservative and not bat shlt crazy as she said. Fox would be considered the closest to conservative but Layton already said its the Tea Party bat shlt crazy HQ. They would know, they tell us daily.

No, I don't have Caesar on ignore. Sheesh! Caesar, if you're commenting on spelling, well, dear, I'd suggest you look up Initial Capitalization prior to pointing your proverbial finger at anyone else.

Caesar,

I know you're going to jump out of your britches but seriously Wikipedia does have a very unbiased study on this ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States

From the article ...

The bites of information voters receive from both print and electronic media are simply insufficient for constructive political discourse... candidates for office have adjusted their style of campaigning in response to this tabloid style of media coverage... modern campaigns are exercises in image manipulation... Elections decided on sound bites, negative campaign commercials, and sensationalised exposure of personal character flaws provide no meaningful direction for government.

And to pull in one of my favorite posters, Fox noted above ...

FunnyGirl, you poor dear, I'm going to try to get this across to you one more time, in very simple terms: Reality has a liberal bias. That is why you can't escape the suspicion that everybody except Fox Entertainment is slanting their coverage... because the world just runs that way. Open your mind and you'll be surprised at how much you've been missing. The world is a symphony, and you're listening only to one badly out-of-tune trumpet.

The world runs more liberally than it does conservatively. If the conservative movement wants to have a voice that is aired, I would suggest that they get back to speaking with a civil tongue and not one that is so vehemently against new ideas and issues.

But for me to actually come up with a news station that you feel isn't liberally biased, well, I don't know your brain, nor do I know how you truly think as so many of your posts are more like jabs rather than thoughts.

Tom Brokow- coming from Montana which has voted Republican since I believe 1922 which party affiliation do you think he has.

A tiny correction: Tom Brokaw is from South Dakota (my home state).

Seeking Sanity: ignore the haters. They're just jealous and miserable and they're taking it out on you.

Seeking Sanity--wow, you finally tried to respond. But you didnt get it right. The kids go to Satisfactions pizza and just admit you didnt attend. Also, there is just one famous BBQ joint in Durham that everyone knows. Give it up. Now that we know you lied about your education, can we get you too start actually having respectfull discussion? Can you quit the personal attacks? People with different views and opinions than you are not idiots and they are worthy of your respect. CA and funnygirl have made thoughtful and civil posts in which you may not share the same view but if you actually tried to debate and provide any insight both sides could actually learn.

1funnygirl

How's you employee costs going?

Dont know how SS employee cost is going but MY health insurance dropped by $20 a month. (1st time ever!!)

I love Obama Care

Sreeeminglib--Obamacare is not going to decrease your costs but increase them. The problem with your simplistic look at your health insurance is the problem. Employers pay a certain percentage of their overall employees health care costs depending on the industry. For example, a union employee whether government or private, probably pays less than 10% of their overall health care costs (which is made up of insurance premiums, deductibles, copays and out of pockets not just insurance premiums). In the retail industry, the employee probably picks up 35-40% maybe a little less. So you insurance premiums might have gone down while your co pays, deductibles or out of pockets went up or another employer gimmick is to reduce or eliminate benefits. So certain coverages are no longer available or ER visits are more expensive etc.

In addition, if you checked out the new government regs that just came out on Tuesday for Obamacare, you can rest assured that health care costs (in the aggregate) will go up for healthy young people and down for unhealthy seniors. Thats because, the new regs prevent insurance providers from experience rating seniors (or charging more than 3 times a young person), charge more for preexisting conditions or chronic health issues. Thus, providers cant charge for the actual costs incurred by less healthy people and seniors so these costs will be borne by the healthy and young. This might be a good societal goal but it will increase insurance medical costs for everyone.

Kirk - this is my last post to you. You did exactly what I knew you would. No matter what I said, you would say it was something different. The fact that you went there as an undergraduate (if you actually did) and I went as a grad student makes a world of difference as to where students go. Most nights we cooked and studied in our apartments.

But you do you disgusting spin - as you always do. Frankly little boy, you're not worth lying to - you never are worth anything. You can't stand that you can't keep up with the rest of us so you try your best to put others down because of your insecurity.

Frankly Kirk, I don't give a damn what you believe about me. You're just a pathetic excuse for a man. Now of course you'll have a way to spin that too - it's all you do have!

kaybeetoys - you are so right and frankly, they're a total waste of time. As everyone who has tried to converse with Kirk knows, it useless. He has to "prove" things he never proves.

I hope you have a safe and Happy Thanksgiving!

Kirk-2957282

Seeking Sanity--wow, you finally tried to respond. But you didnt get it right. The kids go to Satisfactions pizza and just admit you didnt attend. Also, there is just one famous BBQ joint in Durham that everyone knows. Give it up. Now that we know you lied about your education...

You are the one who needs to give it up, Kirk. SS has no need to prove anything to you. What possible reason would she have to lie about where she went to school? Wouldn't she have claimed she attended the number one ranked business school (which I believe is Harvard?) if she was lying about her education?

I take her at her word and so should you.

This is an anonymous forum, and none of us needs to disclose any of our personal information to the general public here. Care to tell us all the details of YOUR personal life? I didn't think so.

CA and funnygirl have made thoughtful and civil posts in which you may not share the same view but if you actually tried to debate and provide any insight both sides could actually learn.

Seriously? Hmm...I guess I missed those "thoughtful and civil" posts...

kaybeetoys - thank you! It's useless with know-it-all Kirk!

Just put them on ignore. Someone else will always be offended by their useless insults and off-topic derailings and point them out.

On second thought Seeking, don't do that I enjoy watching you put them in their place.

At least this forum isn't like Fox' where posters with different views are banned from commenting.

Dangerous - nah! I'm over even trying to converse with Kirk and his ilk. They can't discuss so they always challenge everything about you. Sooooo not worth the wasted time!

Have a wonderful Thanksgiving! And, let's be thankful we got President Obama for another 4 years!

kaybeetoys - thank you! It's useless with know-it-all Kirk!

Kirk needs to get a life.

BTW, Duke's a fine school and I wasn't trying to put it down. Obviously, not everyone who goes to Harvard is as smart as he thinks he is (are you listening, Mitt?) ;)

To all who were fortunate or rich enough to attend prestigious schools/ I have known many interesting people in my life.Some of them graduated from good schools but many of them did not. Ones I.Q. is enhanced by a better education but a good education doesn't necessarily mean that you have an exceptionally high I.Q. I have met or formed an opinion of many of our most famous people and some of them have,in my opinion, the brain power of a rabbit. I know personally that many who attend good schools are goof offs and Either wouldn't or couldn't hold a reasonable thought in their tinny minds as long as it takes to finish a hot dog. Are we finished with this inane subject?

Why is this inane conversation about me. Seeking sanity is the one who constantly questions a posters intelligence if she doesn't agree with the substance not me. She is the one who consistently creates personal attacks not me. She is the one who refuse to ever defend her posts with any critical analysis or defend Obama with any substance not me. She refuses to ever debate not me. She is the one who claimed to have attended my school which I don't believe so yes I called her out on her lie. Based on her inability to ever provide any critical thinking in her posts and her once telling me she worked in a mortgage brokering office, there is no way she attended those schools but kaybee you are correct I need to drop it. Why do I need to get a life because I challenge seeking sanity to grow up and stop her lies and personal attacks? Kaybee have I ever been disrespectful to you?
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Kirk - the only person who has and is lying is you! And, I told you I did mortgages - NEVER said I worked in a mortgage brokerage! Again, you change "facts" to suit your lies.

Thats close enough given all the constant lies about me. I dont change a single fact. I dont need to as you guys attack me on the facts I use as it is. Its too bad you dont have the ability to debate and would rather be personally disrespectful as you would be far more credible.

Right, Bush claimed a mandate based on less. Obama won the trifecta in 2008, and he got 100% obstruction.

Don't expect better this time around. For Obama's opposition, our opposition, it's not about making a more perfect union.

I agree,

Ooooh, I've ignored 1funnygirl and no longer have to see her rants! Unfortunately, I still have to look at those sagging breasts.

Feisty, I give you permission to gnaw on left-over turkey for the next week.

Why thank you!

I have heard "parrots" are too tough... ;o)

Happy Thanksgiving to you & your "peeps" as well!

Good news, Alan West conceded defeat. Yeah, another tea bag bites the dust.

one more repuke hasn't conceded yet. Mia Love is waiting for every last vote. She is in complete denial, as well. Kind of a joke locally.

Happy Turkey day you gorgeous Redhead you..

The thing is, we cannot get complacent. We must all pay attention and make sure that we don't get "our clocks cleaned" in 2014 as we did in 2010. We must be vigilant in making sure that we get out and vote! It is never too soon, in my opinion, to get an early start in looking at what candidates' are looking at a run and those that are up for re-election.

Start now to educate family & friends how critical it is to vote in primaries--because that's where who gets to run for office is determined!

Let's give our president his legacy by voting him a completely blue Congress in 2014, because Republican obstructionists won't go or cooperate and will need to be forced out!

Not only do you need to get charged up, but you need to remain at charge, the hard part. The 2020 state elections will be as important the Presidential elections. Too many people forget that the state legislatures reapportion not only state and local districts, but also Congressional and Senate seats (some states divide the state into two Senate districts, others have two at-large). The census is generally complete regarding the needed numbers for redistricting all those seats by the next year. The party in power in the state legislatures can then shape districts to either assure some of their seats by giving up weak territory, or attempt to weaken future opposition candidates by tying broad areas of weak, but friendly, support to portions of a strong opposition district (splitting the opposition district and support). Just as the party controlling the US Senate can moderate Supreme Court appointments, those post-Census state legislatures set the tone of state and federal politics for the next decade.

Jeffrey - Newt lives in his own little world where things are COMPLETELY different from reality!

They all believed that. Lush Limpballs was yelling it on his show that Romney would win in a hands down landslide. They all live in an alternate universe.

AlaskaGirl - They all live in an alternate universe. Now if they'd just all actually just "poof" out to that alternate universe - the world would be a much better place!

No kidding, SS. Hey, Texas is available! We could just build a very large wall around the entire state and they could all live there in their own world. Mitt could finally be a president of something!

Alaska - And, Texas wants to secede - well all but Austin which wants to secede from Texas - yep! Sounds like a plan!

I am all for leaving Austin out of the mix as I have a certain someone there!

Ah ha! Makes sense to me!

Having lived in Austin since 1988 I can attest to it being an island paradise in a Texas sea of rednecks. In 1988 Ann Richards was Governor... she would have made a very good President.

At least Newt was man enough to admit that he was wrong. Unlike Karl, Allen, Grover and others.

StackDat, Ann Richards or Barbara Harris would have been great. A Richards/Harris ticket could have been awesome!

getagrip1 - no, those were the ones who voted for Romney but they had no choice. Had to vote as their states popular vote went. But a good analogy of the Republican electorate!

How much $ did Obama spend during the Presidential election Bali. Who bought what ?

The reason the R's have control of so many state legislatures has nothing to do with the Electoral College and everything to do with reapportionment. Each ten years we have a national census and based on the population data, the 435 House seats are apportioned to the States. The legislature then re-draws the boundaries of its House delegation seats. By gerrymandering - drawing districts that favor party registration - the R's assured that they will likely maintain a majority in the House of Representatives at least until the next census in 2010. Concentrate on electing D's to your state legislature to draw truly representative district lines!

Breaking news ~ romney wins the planet kobol!!!

Ok, whoever you are, your comments are completely vulgar and out of line. I am reporting you and your disgusting comments to the moderators and let's just hope that they kick your sorry ass out of here.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Thanks AG... There really is no place on here for the krap being spewed by MRABILITY..

btw... Happy Thanksgiving...

Tomas ...

You’re damn right it's a Mandate!!!

AMEN! When the GOP let's their crybaby whiny selves realize that the country is actually moving forward, I would hope that they would get on board and move forward as well.

If wishes were fishes, all mankind would be fed.

Salud

Happy Thanksgiving! Enjoy that wonderful family and that New Mexico sky!

Layton-

Huge hug, amiga!!!

Great time of year in NM.

Only the best wishes to you and family.

Salud

Tomas & Layton.... Well.. we can HOPE that the GOP will come to the realization, that the Country is moving Forward ! As for the crybaby whining, we'll just have to wait, won't we ? However, in case you-all did'nt know... there are only 2 undecided seats in the House now, and even if they go to Republicans, they will only hold a 35 seat majority !! So... I think that the crybaby crap will be silenced, hopefully. And that they will have NO choice but to move FORWARD, or be left to rot !! Mandate, Mandate, Mandate !!!..... And, to you both, a VERY HAPPY THANKSGIVING !

Most of the questionable ones went with the Dems. I think it is final at 201 to 234. A 33 vote margin which means 17 seats can take them out. I think they better walk the chalk. The Dems and many repubs have finally had enough. And I hope people like Alan West and Joe Walsh of Illinois are never elected again. The repubs really need to vote Ryan out to get a new start. He is not and never been what they think he is.

As Ryan said don't feed the fishes. Don't feed the fishes. Which meant to me he had no idea what he was talking about or saying. Don't feed the fishes. It is teach a man to fish Ryan and he will eat for a lifetime. Not quite what you had in mind.

No need to cry! Its Ok. I don't think Reagan had two wars dumped on his lap his first term either did he?

You are right Kurtie. Obama is no Ronald Reagan. He didn't explode the deficit by spending like a drunken sailor, nor has he increased taxes one time (Reagan raised taxes 12 different times).

Regarding a mandate, why did the republicans think they had a mandate when they took over the house. They did not have the senate or presidency. Their excuse now for not having a mandate is that they still have the house. So what is this a double standard or double talk? So they only have a mandate when they say they do? And regarding Obamas electorate numbers, imagine how many he would have without the republican lie machine about where he was born, who his father was, him being a socialist, nazi, communist, muslim, and every last stinken lying video they sent about him. It does say in the Bible when you are lied about you reap double. I am really surprised he didn't get twice the electoral votes and twice the actual votes as Romney. And I heard early in the election that if a Mormon lies he goes to hell. I wonder how Romney is dealing with that now. Especially because it gained him nothing. BTW when you make up stuff and lie and distort it is all known as lying. The only truth he seemed to tell was behind closed doors with his donors. WEll what he thought was behind closed doors. Thank God for that revelation.