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Subscribe to RSSNBC's Domenico Montanaro reports on what the continued fighting in Gaza could mean politically for President Obama, U.S. foreign policy, and the balance of power in the Middle East.
YAKOTA AFB, Japan — President Barack Obama spoke with Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi for the third time in a 24-hour period while flying back from a trip to southeast Asia aboard Air Force One.
Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes said the call was to continue the discussions both presidents have had about Egypt's ability to help end the rocket-fire in Gaza.
"He also underscored that President Morsi's efforts reinforce the important role that President Morsi and Egypt play on behalf of regional security and the pursuit of broader peace between the Palestinians and Israelis," Rhodes said of the call, which occurred en route a refueling stop in Japan following Obama's three-day trip overseas.
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This call comes as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton makes her way to the region to meet with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, along with Palestinian and Egyptian leaders. It is unclear about whether she will sit down with Morsi while in the Middle East.
Rhodes said the president has made clear that the primary objective at this moment is the deescalation of violence, and commended Morsi for sharing that goal.
"Without an end to rocket fire into Israel from Gaza, Israel can't be assured of the security of its people," Rhodes said.
The president believes the "preferred outcome" of all of the leaders involved is an end to the loss of life in the region.
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Oh dear, the President is once again acting in a rational manner. How disturbing.
The Muslim Brotherhood has NO INTENTIONS of any talk.....doesn't matter who it is coming from.
Time to cut off the American taxpayer funding to Palestine and Egypt, and any other country which supports terrorism (taking out of Ambassador Rice's speeches and agenda).
BTW: the labor union does not need to picket anyone since they have their number one supporter in the White House, just ask Trumpka as he leaves the back door to the West Wing after he signs XXX's in the visitor log. SUPPORT Non-UNION organizations.
john - i haven't been to a walmart since i saw that piece on the chinese workers who were forced to live in the warehouse apartments, pay rent to their employers, accept low wages and received no benefits. that's not the way we treat human beings. that's modern day slavery and i for sure will not be there for black friday.
That's what they used to say about the IRA.
That is what they still say about Progressives~Liberals~Democrats.
Ido - you just look more foolish every day. Trump HAS NOT VISITED and WILL NOT BE VISITING the White House while President Obama is there.
You look more ridiculous every time you post your drivel but you look like a good Republican!
Richrad TRUMKA not Trump. Funny you call people stupid and foolish
Rational? He should be calling Netanyahu and getting with them. He has time and time again ignored Israel.
Obama could fall in poop and you would say it smelled like roses.
Seeking Sanity: That's the last thing you're seeking. It's evident your mission here is to stick your divisive two cents into every post and impart ridicule, hate and derisive comments... Why don't you find a nice deep hole to crawl into and keep your idiotic comments to your evil self... scumbag!
Seeking.........tsk tsk. TRUMPKA!!!! Sorry Seeking, but we cannot fix stupid.
NO! time to cut off the American taxpayer funding to ALL foreign countries. In fact it's long over due.
I totally screwed up! And, I admit it! Skimming while working and I messed up!
But, Paladin, Tony D you both prove there is no sanity to be found in the Republican Party - no matter how hard I seek! Tony D - you should probably avoid words like "scumbag" until you look at yourself!
Paladin
The connection between the Israeli and American Armed Forces has rarely been stronger. I have noticed a number of posters jumping to the conclusion on zero evidence that there has been no dialogue between Obama And BiBi... most unwise of you.
Ido - oh and one reason I got confused - it's Trumka- no p!
And no Paladin - you can't fix Stupid but we all realize you can't help that you are - stupid I mean!
Seeking, no one said they were a republican. We just do not like Obama. Find that deep dark hole yet?
Caesar: Richrad TRUMKA not Trump.
Ha ha, you misspelled Richard, "Richrad," as Ido misspelled TRUMKA, "Trumpka," and you call Seeking Sanity stupid?
PS. I make more than my share of typos, so don't nobody start hating on me!
Amy - no worries - we know CA is just searching for ANYTHING he can to put me down. That's what I get for reading quickly as I work!
Paladin - not searching for deep dark holes since you clearly live in them!~
Hope you and yours have a geat Thanksgiving!
Amy,
LMAO - You are too funny. You are correct, and your comment is to funny.
Meanwhile, Morsi, who is supposed to be helping broker an agreement, is out there making statements blaming Israel for defending itself. Mr. Obama is a woefully inexperienced moron and his actions/lack thereof are going to make matters worse, not better.
i dont have to search too far and as for Hot Coal Amy, transposed a letter wrong. I never called Seeking stupid either so Amy's reading comp is well below standard. I merely pointed out how she (Seeking) consistently pointing out the 'ignorance and stupidity' of others. I know Ido misspelled Trumpka but I knew he wasnt talking about TRUMP.
what no board meetings?
So Susan, you are posting while you take money from your employer. Is he/they paying you while you perform your welfare/Oblama/federal dole duties?
Oh, I forgot. That is the liberal way. Take from those who have it.
With the Egyptian leadership now openly proclaiming its fielty to Hamas and others that wish to destroy Israel, it would be in Israel's best interest to disarm Hamas now. Otherwise they will continue to stock pile weapons, rockets,. etc..., as the Iranians want them to do, and wait for an all out coordinated attack on Israel. Best to destroy them now while they are weaker than wait. And for the idiots like Obama and Clinton that think this is going to be resolved by talking to Hamas and using Morsi as a negotiator, well, we all know that is not going to happen.
The solution will be for the UN to declare that Yemen or some such other place is the new Palestinian state and all the radicals can move there and commence to killing each other, just like they are doing in Pakistan and Iraq
CA - no, board meetings are once a month. But, I don't expect you to know that!
who is Susan?? Many of us can multi-task so not sure why the question or who you're talking to hjack.
Obama to Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi: Dude, you gotta answer the phone. Do you not realize I won a Nobel Peace Prize? Answer the phone!!!
From the NYT. And somehow Obama thinks that Morsi is the guy to go to to get this resolved!
of course you dont because you are so super smart. But not all board meetings are monthly but I dont expect you to know that. Only in liberal dystopia.
I wonder Caesar, is Sanity talking about the monthly board meetings of the local Real Estate Board?
I have an issue about the reality of Seeking. She claims to be an executive for a company, but she's constantly on this site picking on the intelligence level of others.
So Sanity, if you're such a hot shot exec, who does you work while you play here? Those little people?
notsofunny - amazingly, my computer is still working even after your threat. Gotten that knock on the door yet?
I multi-task and my work is more intense at some times than others. There are no "little people" in my company. Every person does a good and important job and they are well respected for the work they do. No, not on the Real Estate Board and have no desire to be!
Tick tock! Tick tock!
Hey siezure... I'm noticing how often you "accuse" other people of being smart in a sarcastic fashion... I'm also noticing that it's when they are... Did that start in grammar school by chance? I'm just curious because it flows so naturally it must have been going on for a while now.
1funkygirl... Has he accused you of it yet?
Obama: <Ring Ring> Morsi, Quit being an a-hole and stirring up sh*t.
Morsi: Allahu Akbar! Wullallah Muusio Wasabi! Jihad! Jihad!
Obama: F U <click>
Oh Seeking, you're such a funny wannabe. Multi-tasking, huh? It appears you're hear more than not. Must not be much happening in your world.
and ticky-tock there old girl.....when did I threaten you? If I wanted to, I could do a search on the Crays and find out all about your true self. But that would not be a legal thingy to do.
And no one is knocking on my door, perhaps because I am one of those who can do the knocking.
so trapperkeeper tell me you think Seeking is smart? Tell me what logic dictates if you call someone dumb, stupid, ignorant or idiotic now equates to a intellectual vicotry, thus proving intelligence. Its almost like your hostile attitude Ruken towards anyone that isnt a che loving lefty? Is this some arrested development in adolescence? Were you not held enough as a child? I dont accuse people of being smart in a sarcastic fashion, they accuse themselves of being smart by constantly and overly appearing to be smarter than they are. sorry a spade is a spade and a chick binder is a xabre is a ruken.
"It is unclear about whether she will sit down with Morsi while in the Middle East."
It is "unclear" whether Hillary can sit down in a normal chair. Look at her !! Her a** has gotten so fat because she hasn't gotten up and done anything for 4 years except spout idle threats making us a "paper tiger" and embarrassed this nation. Now she is going to offer the Palistinians and the Egyptians money to stop picking on Israel. Of course the Palistinians will use the money to buy more missles. But, that is diplomacy, Hillary style.
SeekingSanity Rules and the rest of you are Fools, Salute to the Wise =SS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Patriotic American U.S.A.
have you thought about getting that phrased Trademarked? I would hate for someone to rip off your intellectual property.
nothing wise about calling someone stupid constantly throughout the day.
The perfect solution would have been to send both Bill Clinton and George Bush to talk to Morsi. The 2 ex Presidents carry a lot weight. We would show the world we are not so polarized and dysfunctional. And Obama would have reached across the aisle.
I laugh at Egypt being the one trying to negotiate a cease fire while at the same time supporting Hamas and their terrorist actions. Erdogan from Turkey and many of the other Arab leaders are no better. They fear terrorist attacks in their own cities so they will not renounce Hamas for instigating this mess to start with. They are afraid that if they say anything negative about the terrorists then they will be attacked as well. Also, many of the weapons that Hamas is using to attack Israel were smuggled into Gaza through their border with Egypt. Since the fall of Mubarak, the Muslim Brotherhood controlled Egyptian government has completely failed in its responsibility to keep weapons from being brought into Gaza. Not only have they stopped trying keep the weapons from transiting through Egypt into Gaza, they have been actively helping to arm Hamas. Now Hamas has the nerve to make a lifting of the blockade designed to try and keep weapons out of Gaza a requirement for them to stop shooting. This is absurd. The blockade has not prevented any peaceful materials from being delivered to Gaza, it is just that Hamas wants to be able to import more weapons without having to try and hide it. If Egypt and the other Arab governments want to maintain some credibility as honest brokers in trying to end the violence they need to start acknowledging who started this latest round of violence, or at least stop trying to blame Israel for it, and take the leaders of Hamas to task for their continued firing of rockets into Israel. So long as they continue to support Hamas and try and blame Israel for the current violence they will have no credibility with the Israeli government or anyone else (other than other Muslim Brotherhood controlled counties) when it comes to trying to help negotiate a cease fire. When Morsi sits their and supports Hamas' ridiculous conditions for a cease fire he loses all credibility and shows that he is far from being an impartial mediator who is trying to end this conflict. Morsi's actions throughout this conflict have clearly shown that he is in the pocket of the Muslim Brotherhood and will support their agenda over all else.
How many times must obama apologize to Egypt (or any other enemy) for American's aggression against those who hate democracy? Hasn't he bent over for them enough already???
Seeing as how Obama hasn't apologized to ANYONE internationally, your post makes no sense Furio.
The President will be giving "Furio & Caesar" a pardon for Thanksgiving, just in the neck of time-Gobble, Gobble, Gobble !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NEVER AGAIN!
Fred, Get out of bed and read the news (preferably not the political comedy of the liberal media) Obama has made a career out of apologizing for America!
And Seeking inSanity, what are you really? A few months ago you were a housewife, and then a small business owner, and now an Executive! What are you really? You and 'Patriotic American' (a misnomer if there ever was one) can't even get your stories straight... are you both one and the same person? Inquiring minds want to know!
"Obama has made a career out of apologizing for America"... Please, just one time, I would love for someone to say this, and show any proof of where this was said or done. Not that anyone could blame him if he actually did. After talking over for Bush/Cheney there was a lot we needed to apologize for, but you comment is simply not true. Can't we move on to fast and furious, or green energy, or Benghazi, or voter fraud, or birth certificate, or Muslim, or communist... Tell you what, lets just group all this together and call it "Obamagate"... There, isn't that easier?
Oh my
AIPAC's tail is wagging the dog again
The White House announced the federal government will spend $6 billion over four years for a “sustainable energy future” plan with Asian countries that involves loaning tax dollars to other countries to increase their purchasing power for U.S. technology, services and equipment.
“Recognizing that energy and the environment are among the most pressing issues confronting our region, President Obama, in partnership with Sultan Haji Hassanal Bolkiah of Brunei and President of the Republic of Indonesia Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, today proposed the U.S.-Asia Pacific Comprehensive Partnership for a Sustainable Energy Future,” the White House announced Tuesday as Obama visits Asian Pacific countries.
The initiative comes after the Obama administration has been criticized for spending billions to subsidize U.S.-based green energy companies that went on to declare bankruptcy, including Solyndra, Ener1, A123, Beacon Power and other failed renewable energy ventures.
47 % of Americans living on food stamps. I am so friggin glad obama loves giving away my tax dollars since we have so much money to spare. I do not suppose he would be willing to donate a million of his dollars to asian countries for clean energy. Man, he just never amazes me enough. We are in deep shi* people. He has not even started his second term and he is giving away six billion of our tax dollars. One billion dollars is a 6'x6' pallet stacked 5' high of 100.00 bills, and he is giving away 6 of them, unfriggin real.
Jerry, I guess the president didn't learn from his failed energy 'investments' in his first term! Solyndra was just one of 6 energy companies that went bankrupt after we, the tax payers allowed a neighborhood organizer to invest billions in companies that more prudent capitalists would have run away from! Lol, we are the fools for giving him another chance to flush more billions down the toilet and/or into the pockets of Geo. Soror and his other backers! What a shame!
Maybe Mrs. Obama should call, she's the mean one.
Congrats MSNBC, your beloved PEW center has determined that you are in fact the most hate-filled, biased, and pathetic "news" site on the web:
Study: Fox News, MSNBC more 'extreme' in final week of campaign
"Fox News was much more positive about (Mitt) Romney than the press as a whole and substantially more negative about (President Barack) Obama. MSNBC was even more overwhelmingly negative about Romney and offered mostly positive coverage about Obama.
The study indicates Fox News' negative coverage of Obama grew from 47% in the first four weeks of October to 56% in the final week, while positive coverage of Romney grew eight points, from 34% to 42%, in the final week.
Meanwhile on MSNBC, positive coverage of Obama grew from 33% during the first four weeks of October to 51% in the last week. MSNBC's negative coverage of Romney increased 11 points in the last week, from 57% to 68%."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/20/study-fox-news-msnbc-more-extreme-in-final-week-of-campaign/?hpt=hp_bn3
What do you expect from a group that would edit a 911 call to make it appear racially divisive?
Enjoy it liberals, you deserve it.
Joe Wilson has a comment for you...you guy's are so desperate you'll fall for anything.
You want some ocean-front property on Colorado?
Very interesting.....
Obama calls Egypt 3 times in a 24 hour period. Two days later, Egypt brokers a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas (or a sort-of cease fire, since Hamas is claiming 'victory' through their rockets somehow being responsible for the cease fire.... not certain how they get THAT idea since their rockets STARTED this bloody row, but em...).
Does anyone else think there is a connection here with getting the new Egyptian government to take an active role in keeping the PEACE, or is it just me?
Right....Obamney calls his new Egyptian Dictator that he and Billary put into power and says "Tut tut" to King Tut!
Wake Up Barry.....America has had ENOUGH of these endless UN Globalist Profiteering Corporate "Not Wars" and we have wasted ENOUGH of Our Precious Blood & Treasure on your Wall Street Masters endless squabbling and occasional acts of Out Right Murder for Fun & Profits!
It is time America saves itself from the UN Globalist "Not Wars" and to stop taking our "Marching Orders" from Wall Street and their Corrupt Political Minions in Washington DC to "Not Save" the World!
We have enough problems of our own.....So to really Save The World....Impeach Corporate Obama 2012!
None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. They feed them on falsehoods till wrong looks like right in their eyes.~Johann von Goethe
Here's why Mursi is getting respect from the U.S. president and the corporate media. It means the american empire (and important ally, Israel) is getting what it wants:
Israeli forces break Gaza ceasefire as Netanyahu outlines his political calculations
By Jean Shaoul and Chris Marsden
24 November 2012
...Egyptian President Mohammed Mursi and his Muslim Brotherhood regime negotiated the ceasefire and are committed to keeping it. Netanyahu also demanded and got agreement that Egypt would increase security at its border and ensure no weapons reach Gaza.
Egypt would also step up its collaboration with Israel on the Sinai Peninsula, arrest alleged militants and seal the tunnels to the Gaza Strip. It has reportedly already begun to enforce the ceasefire. On Wednesday, three rockets were seized by Egyptian security forces in Sheikh Zewayed, near Gaza.
Notwithstanding the Brotherhood’s cynical statements of solidarity with the Palestinians, it is working in collusion with both the US and Israel—first in Syria and now Gaza. No sooner had Israel started attacking Gaza than Mursi began a diplomatic offensive in Cairo to enforce a truce, receiving foreign ministers from Turkey, Germany and Qatar, as well as US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. His aim was to block the potential development of broader popular opposition to war in Egypt, Israel, and throughout the region.
Mursi and the Brotherhood are just as reliant on the US as the deposed regime of Hosni Mubarak, and their international connections have an additional advantage for Washington and Tel Aviv. The Ennahda Movement, or Renaissance Party, another Brotherhood offshoot, now governs post-Ben Ali Tunisia. The Justice and Development Party, formed by the Brotherhood, is now the second party in the US-installed Libyan regime. In Syria also, the Brotherhood is considered a generally reliable US proxy within the opposition movement against Assad. Little wonder that Netanyahu described his working relationship with Washington and Cairo as “a great achievement for Israeli policy and regional stability.”
Egypt is only the most egregious exemplar of all the Arab regimes. Not one of them lifted a finger to support the Palestinians, even in the form of an oil and trade boycott of Israel’s backers, or demands for a “no-fly zone” and “humanitarian aid corridors” that are their bread-and-butter when it comes to Syria. Once again, the Palestinians were a pawn to be sacrificed on the regional chessboard…
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/nov2012/gaza-n24.shtml
Speaking of foreign policy, what a stunning program Rachel Maddow had last night concerning John McCain and the Republican Party.
I think McCain was asking for this by his stubborness to let the Susan Rice issue go quietly into the night weeks ago.
As Rachel and Frank Rich walked us down memory lane, it was quite obvious that John McCain in his career in the Senate, has not had the intellectual capabilities/honesty necessary to be a spokesman on our, or anyone else's foreign policy in the 21st Century.
It was stunning and I strongly suggest you all watch it if you missed it last night.
The Republican Party as a whole has real serious issues with respect to foreign policy. As Rachel mentioned, they have yet to come to terms with the error of their ways leading up to the Iraq War, which suggests they would bungle just about any foreign policy presented on their doorstep going forward.
Mitt Romney himself wanted the same advisors who got us into Iraq. How tragic that would have been for America and the world if he succeeded.
Such an informative program last night by Rachel.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/49894823#49894823
Pat,
Rice will become SOS.
Yep, those racist and anti-women haters will get what is coming to them, even though Ambassador Rice is NOT QUALIFIED to become the SofS.
Susan Rice is ABSOLUTELY qualified to be SOS!
Funny that anyone would describe Rachel's ranting as 'stunning'.
If your source for information is Rachel Maddow, one of NBC's foaming at the mouth liberal hack propagandists that would not know the truth if it bit her on the nose, than you are sadly misinformed. Try broadening your sources for information Pat, then maybe you will stop being lead by the nose and spewing useless non-sense every time you post on here.
Pat fancies herself to be the one in the red shirt standing next to Obama in that pic she has on her post.
Based on some of the SOS I've seen during my lifetime, I wouldn't go around bragging about being qualified to be SOS. Well, maybe at a kennel, I would.
Oh Queen K!!! Aren't you the sassy one today!
"Broadening sources of information"... Sage advice from someone who hasn't found any yet.
What is it you believe again?...
Binder gal with the cute little mocks of the moniker. Hey Ruken, because you are Ruken btw why dont you tell us how it is. You know so much and are so smart after all. You know cuz you say so right. Nah Pat in boston is a propagandist herself. King K is right. However Hannity and Limbaugh on the opposite spectrum would be the wrong places for a quest of knowledge.
But Trapperkeeper Femme fatale here would seem to think NBC/FR is a stellar source of info i imagine.
Pat, thanks so much for posting the link to Rachel's last night show! Very informative and interesting. What's sad is that so much of what she covered regarding Iraq was what many of us "got" as it was happening and yet there are far too many on the right who STILL don't get it, refuse to get it and never will get it. It's really a shame. The Old Party has lost the Grand part. Watching the Romney/Ryan campaign was kind of like watching an episode of the Three Stooges, certainly full of laughs at the buffoonery, some shock and awe at the absurdity but absolutely none of the real life substance needed for someone vying to be the leader of this country.
So, did everyone follow Pat's link and watch? Yes? No?
KingK, when I want the truth, I'll watch Rachel and Martin Bashir and Rev. Al and Lawrence O'Donnell and their educated progressive intelligent guests.
I was and never will be led by the nose. Democrats are strange like that.
In the meantime, I think you should check out her program from last night. It was quite enlightening. It's one of the good things about having a new generation of tv hosts. Out with the old way of thinking. In with common sense. Try it. It's all the rage.
Pat fancies herself to be the one in the red shirt standing next to Obama in that pic she has on her post.
Now that's intelligent.
No...I didn't. Rachel Maddow is brilliant and is an expert at painting pictures. She can sift through volumes of information and then weave it together in such a way as to tell any story she wants you to hear.
It's like 60 minutes, where they interview someone for 3 hours and edit it down to the 20 minutes we watch and then make an individual appear to have a position that is in fact 180 degrees from the individual's actual position.
So what you have to do is sometimes spend hours researching the story to find out if they're telling the whole truth, half the truth, or out-right lying.
Life is much too short to waste it doing that....
Allie, glad you got a chance to see Rachel's program. The GWB Admin was a nightmare and Romney wanted to return to those days. Can't understand how he managed to get so many votes. But then there are people in this country who will never ever ever vote for a Democrat.
Would be nice if they did their damn homework before voting. Romney was a disaster in the making. Fortunately more and more people are turning away from the MSM. They can't be trusted.
Our next president will be a democrat as well unless the GOP gets rid of the old party and starts doing their homework on what the United States of America's role in the world should be in the 21st Century. Don't hold your breath. I don't think they have it in them. They'll always be known as the fear mongering party. It's the only thing they know and it's been a disaster for them.
Hey Ikarus no I didnt, no more than I would Hannity. Maddow, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Matthews, etc are entertainment style journalists. the appeal to the bases on both sides of the aisle and are hardly objective ever.
Oh mighty Sneezer... You still on that Ruken rant? You do realize that you're chasing the ghost of A$$-kickings past fruitlessly, right?... Why do you need me to be someone that I'm not? Why do you repeatedly espouse your certainty that you know me?... You don't. Simple as that.
I think I stated on an earlier thread that I'm a Snarcheologist by trade. Oddly enough, I still can't bring myself to dig you though.
Why do you remain here on NBC/FR? Is it the manly Love/hate thing you had for Ruken that keeps you spooking the pages of site that you deem inappropriate?... I've sure noticed how you slide to the middle whenever dangerfield rides the fence, so are you beginning to date again or just inherently unfaithful? There are whole binders full of possibilities...
Christmas is coming. Ask your family to pitch in and get you a sense of humor. THEN come back and try your luck again poking your good-hearted fun at rational posters. Ita ut in Europa Romam pestilentiae...
LOL..yeah my azz is sore from all the kicking i get here.
i bet you are and a good one at that. how much does that pay an hour or do you get one them severance packages like a nasty 1%ing CEO?
ah looky here, snarkyologist is pandering for my family to get me some humor. Perhaps Oz i can petition you for one? i have a great sense of humor, thats why im at FR.
well poor little stooge claims he knows what the middle is. So tell me Oracle what exactly is the middle and how its defined? Sherlock do explain how you deduce that im not in the middle on a Blog? besides, dangerfield isnt even in this particular convo, you seem jealous. anyways I'll wait with bated breath.
i imagine this is where your ego kicks in and i should be devastated that you dont think fondly of me. Take a number, youre not the first and won't be the last. whatever shall i do without your approval?
I specifically said AFTER you get a sense of humor Sieze... You're barely fouling things off and I'm still pitching underhand...
And the middle is defined (by me) as a person so evasive about their convictions that you'd need to see their rap sheet to be certain. That's Snarcheology 101.
youre going easy eh. life must be rough in your world. Legend in your own mind and all. Keep trying sport. I do agree you're arrogance is humorous. maybe you should find a man or woman or goat to just share a moment with, you'll feel better Nolan.
thats an elective and has no application to real life. But feel free to join the occupy crowd.
@Pat Boston, MA.: I watched Rachel. Always do when I have time. She's the best informed commentator on TV. I love the Lady.
@blackcatwhitecat: Really enjoy your comments. I agree. The Pretty, and brainy, "Susan Rice" will be the new SOS. Best regards
Awww, isnt that precious...poor Little Seizure getting an ass-kicking by a "chick binder". It's ok little man...i'm here for you...but no more forced vacays, OK?
But it is worse than I thought, my little multi-reggie coward...what's the saying?
Oh, right...tick tock, taxman...tick tock.
PIZZA! PIZZA!
Truth is all about the ED Show on NBC for real Americans !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Off topic a bit, but speaking of disgusting and inappropriate avitars Pat Boston.... we wish you'd change yours!
Why is obama's repeated attempts to apologize to Egypt again a strory?
Mark, Stop Watching the Fox for fools news garbage, go to NBC or CNN for the truth !!!!!!!!!
I always wonder how the left sucks up the maniacal rants of Rachel Madcow, yet demoinize FOX. Oh wait...some call it hypocrisy. My bad.
Remember: Liberals don't mind if you have an opinion, as long as it is the same as theirs.
NBC...a whoilly owned subsidiary of the white house. Ever see the knees on the pants of brian williams. The fabric really should be reinforced.
There's a reason its called Clinton Network News.
Another sycophant up there...
I was declared "arrogant" by Ceasar Augustus.
That deserves to be in a binder all by itself... Or would that make it a portfolio?
It's VERY clear that the US cannot broker peace in this region without inouts from other major players. This is a good move and demonstrates that the US is not going to try to bully others into compliance.
Excellent shift from trying to unilaterally police the world and force western culture on countries not willing or redy for it.
i agree. i'm pleased to see the shift in the way our military handles foreign affairs too. colonization was wrong when europeans did it to the native americans, south americans, indian, and africans and i'm glad we are now moving away from doing it in the middle east too.
Yep, just turn our military over to the U.N. for "peacekeeping" ops. That will make the terrorists love the U.S.
Matthew if it were your daughters being raped or stoned for wanting to show their mouth in public or your sons being beaten or beheaded for having different beliefs you would hope that there was someone big enough and willing to stand up for them.
And Mindy what the hell are you talking about...? Colonization of the Middle East?!!
You hold Native Americans in some fairy tale light. Do you think they just magically appeared and lived peacefully on the American continent? Where did they come from? Who was here before them? Mayans, Aztecs, all of them routinely killed each other and took over each others lands. And Africans hardly have a good record of peacefully dealing with their 'own' people. They were the ones who sold their 'own' neighbors into slavery, just like the Navajo did to the Paiute and the Vikings did to the Slavs who were sold to the Muslims. The Celts colonized Ireland all the way from Iran. It doesn't make it right but you singling out Europeans and vilifying them for what was done by the very people you're glorifying is just stupid.
ido - would you prefer we just keep preemptively getting into wars and killing off our youth soldiers? that's what we're trying to move away from and i can't understand why ANYBODY would oppose that. it's not about appearing weak. it's about preserving resources. we have to think the smartest, not the strongest sometimes.
Colonization: the process of forcing another group to assimilate and adopt your standards. isn't that what we tried to do in the middle east? isn't that the reason we burned their museum of history?
and yes - as an individual with native american ancestory i do believe they lived peacefully before europeans arrived. tribes may have fought each other back when the playing fields were even but when europeans brought muskets to hand fights, that's when it got unfair. that is brutal force and you know darn well it isn't right. quit making excuses for the oppressors.
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First of all I am a Native American and wish you would stop speaking on topics you obviously know nothing about. In case you have not noticed, this forum is talking about current events. Hopefully most of us have enlightened ourselves in the last two hundred years. muslimes are still acting like it is 1200 AD. People please realize that islam is nothing more than a virus. It infects peoples minds, and all they can do is kill and destroy and infect other healthy humans. They are not allowed to be free thinkers and that is why their society has stalled. When was the last time something, other than a new way to behead someone, inventive and intellectual has come from these virus carriers? Just leave them alone, isolate them and the virus will eventually kill all of its hosts. God willing.
Please ....do not negotiate a cease fire........keep bombing!
me123 - Yep, but it would be more effective and longer lasting if a lot of somebodies showed up to stand up for them. Plus if a bunch of those lots of somebodies were the next door neighbors and could help monitor/enforce civilized behavior, then the aggressors couldn't flaunt themselves or attack other sons and daughters quite so easily.
The problem with unilateral action is that when the bully leaves, things go back to the way they were before the bully got there. It leaves a power vaccuum or unsupported system that gets filled or beaten by opportunists (which in a lot of cases were the original aggressors the bully went to stop).
seven - as a native american who has been the victim, i'm surprised and confused at your inability to see the connections you have between your own culture and muslims. both groups' religion was looked at as if it were blasphemous and uncivilized but you know that yours was not and if you took the time to read about the nation of islam, you'd learn that the truest essence of islam is not violent or blasphemous. both groups have had to fight for their land. both groups are fighting for religious freedom. have a heart dude.
"and yes - as an individual with native american ancestory i do believe they lived peacefully before europeans arrived."
Then you know very little of American Indian history.
hs321- please educate me about my own people then. what am i missing? native americans had never seen a slaughtering the way they did when europeans arrived but please tell me your side of the story.
Excerpt from Warfare in Native American Societies:
The significance of warfare varied tremendously among the hundreds of pre‐Columbian Native American societies, and its meanings and implications changed dramatically for all of them after European contact. Among the more densely populated Eastern Woodland cultures, warfare often served as a means of coping with grief and depopulation. Such conflict, commonly known as a “mourning war,” usually began at the behest of women who had lost a son or husband and desired the group's male warriors to capture individuals from other groups who could replace those they had lost. Captives might help maintain a stable population or appease the grief of bereaved relatives: if the women of the tribe so demanded, captives would be ritually tortured, sometimes to death if the captive was deemed unfit for adoption into the tribe. Because the aim in warfare was to acquire captives, quick raids, as opposed to pitched battles, predominated. Warfare in Eastern Woodland cultures also allowed young males to acquire prestige or status through the demonstration of martial skill and courage. Conflicts among these groups thus stemmed as much from internal social reasons as from external relations with neighbors. Territory and commerce provided little impetus to fight.
Trade contacts with Europeans changed this situation by creating economic motives to fight, as Indians sought European goods.
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As always, European contact ushered in an era of greater warfare by intensifying competition for resources. Mounted Lakota Sioux warriors pushed such Plains nations as the Blackfeet and the Crow westward, into contact with Plateau Indians, precipitating violence between groups that shared little common cultural ground by which to mediate disputes.
http://www.answers.com/topic/native-american-wars-warfare-in-native-american-societies
The Aztecs routinely raided neighboring tribes and made slaves of the captives, well, at the least the ones not killed in ritual sacrifices.
Great definition... Colonization actually means to establish a colony... But if that's how you choose to define it that's fine. I'm not sure what Museum you're talking about...
You argue live and let live. How easily done from the seat of your cozy chair with all the freedoms and comfort you have in this great Country. All while real people in the middle east suffer oppression, intolerance and hate unrivaled by any other place in the World. You disregard the atrocities by cultures that suppress differing view points with violence and brutality. That devalue women. Stripping them of choice, of rights. Relegating them to their 'God' assigned lot as uneducated house keepers and brood mares for their husbands progeny.
Michael above would argue 'they aren't ready' for democracy, for freedom. God I would hope that before my daughter was raped or killed or my son beheaded that someone would be big and brave enough to help change a backwards culture whether they were 'ready' or not. You wouldn't suggest that we wait and don't do anything until the bullies in our children's schools are ready to change and instead allow them to continue to harass our kids until they hang themselves. Or would you...?
I understand your grief and bitterness since you have Native American ancestry. Native Americans were truly treated terribly. I didn't say it was right how they were treated. In fact I made a point to mention that it wasn't, but the reality is you're glorifying a situation that DID NOT EXIST.
You really know you're a leftist when you talk about unfairness...Why would Europeans not use muskets? They were trying to kill them not beat them up. They were colonizing, I'm not saying they weren't...What I am saying is that Native Americans, Africans, etc. ALL DID IT. You need to wake up from your fairy tale.
Native Americans definitely waged war long before Europeans showed up. Certainly there were peaceful Tribes (Hopi, Pueblo, etc.) but many regularly killed and raided other tribes, routinely enslaving their captives and stealing women & horses. Yurok, Creek, Pawnee, etc all had a common practice of holding hostages for payment and often sold their own people as debt slaves. The Navajo, Apache, and Comanche to the Pueblo, Paiute, and Goshute. Its said that as much as 1/4 of the entire population of the Northwest was slaves. I mean the Iroquois basically exterminated the Huron. The Cherokee boasted of their love of battle. Remains discovered in South Dakota revealed a mass grave with more than 500 scalped and mutilated men, women, and children. And on and on. Your version of Native Americans as gentle stewards of the Continent is simply UNTRUE.
hs321- sacrificing an individual for religious or spiritual reasons is hardly violence among native americans lol and as i said before, fighting between groups is one thing- as long as the playing field is equal. africans also used to use and sell slaves within a confined set of rules. when a dominant force steps in and does not play by the rules, that's exploitation and brutal force. i still maintain that those groups were oppressed by colonizers and the majority of anthropologists, social scientists and historians would agree with that.
mewhatever- oh lord.... even children know that what the europeans did to native americans, african-americans, and other colonized groups was wrong. i can't argue with someone who thinks just because they had bouts of violence within their own group that that sort of brutality is okay. you cannot rewrite history to put european white males on the right side.
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Wow Mindy you're nuts. You have some crazy notions. Do you realize how backwards you are? You're justifying the killing between groups 'as long as the playing field is equal'? And did you just try to justify slavery according to 'some confined' rules...? Wow, really???
I'm not arguing that the Europeans were right in their treatment of 'natives'. I'm arguing that Natives ALSO weren't right right in their treatment of other 'natives'. You need to learn your history. Stop spouting your the white-man is racist garbage and take a good look at real history throughout the world.
Who's the true racist here?
mindy...humans have been behaving this way since we walked out of caves. Like you say, no race or culture is immune from it. I'm not trying to say Europeans did not do wrong, but it is incredibly hypocritical to treat whites like they had a market on treating other humans badly.
And it's the height of stupidity to feel justified in hating or even punishing a white male of today for something his long-dead ancestors did to another's long-dead ancestors.
to both of you: we are all correct. people have been violent since the dawn of time BUT that doesn't mean we should continue going that direction. to tell israel, palestine, egypt or any other country how they need to respond while simultaneously dropping troops on their soil is colonization. period. it's not about blaming europeans more than other groups. it's about keeping it from happening again. and with that, our conversation is done. you two clearly see white europeans as the victims and as if they are being singled out or blamed unjustly and you're not going to agree that that is wrong. they have done more harm native cultures than they would do within their own culture and i don't think it's wrong to call them on it.
I agree people have been violent and uncannily cruel to one another throughout history. I also agree that we shouldn't continue down that road.
Our argument is simply that singling out Europeans as the worlds lone oppressors is naive and harboring hate towards a specific color of human for deeds done by their ancestors is just stupid and racist. You can't disregard history because it doesn't fit your narrative. And you can't collectively lump all Native American cultures into one bag simply because they lived on the same Continent.
You may want to brush up on your European history as well. Ever heard of the Inquisition? Why do you think they left Europe in droves?
Called him..WHAT?...
Egypt still needs the billions that are part of the Israeli-Egypt peace deal, so Morsi has the most reliable motivation available to assist in our attempt to quell the latest outbreak of this endless conflict.
BiBi is either the best or worst possible guy to be leading Israel right now, depending on your view of history...
I will not be surprised to see BiBi move against Iran soon, adding further weight to your statement.
I can still remember when Yul Brynner was in charge over there. His role as Moshe Dayan was one of my all-time favorites. Just a simple patch over the eye and a steely depth-compromised stare was all it took to make everybody think twice before launching rockets.
Those were the days.
Pathetic.. MSNBC will do anything to try and stoke this guy as a leader.
how would you prefer he respond? go over there, guns a blazin and just start shooting both civilians and radical groups alike?
Obama should have kept out of the mid east to begin with. All he's done is promote another muslim terrorist to head Egypt in an attempt to 'pacify' the region. It's evident he supports the Muslim Brotherhood and should be impeached on that basis alone!
@tony:
1. newsflash! every president has been heavily invested in the middle east. one of our most prized resources comes from the middle east so it's impossible to separate ourselves from their politics.
2. obama is not muslim, nor does he share any link to the muslim brotherhood outside of birther talking points. he is not a muslim and is not taking their side.
3. so what IF he was muslim? we impeach people based on their religion now? oh jeez good to know!
Sure he should have, because then the conservatives could hit him for IGNORING it.
Some folks can't be made happy, because happy isn't what they want, they just want to whine.
tony d, "Obama should have kept out of the mid east all together." I bet he wishes he could have but if you remember the day he was elected he had to take over the war Bush started in Iraq.
Gotta keep your best buds happy
Getting all buddy buddy with the Muslim Brotherhood. Someone tell Mr. Obama that the idiot in charge over there THINKS it is Israeli aggression but he forgot about the part where Hamas was launching missiles at civilian targets in Israel.
Israel has attacked civilians in the past too, my friend. and for the love of god stop calling obama a muslim. it will invalidate everything you have to say if you're still relying on birther talking points.
That sounds like a baby rattle. Get a sabre.
First thing to get out of the way, on camera two days ago Obama said Israel has every right to defend it's citizens even if that means a ground invasion of Gaza, so what you say is just a plain lie.
You are suffering from another common misconception here, I don't think anyone is saying Israel instigated this particular standoff, when they say Israel is the aggressor it's because in the 1940's when Israel was formed it was by genocide against the Arabs already living there. The main demand Gaza has is opening their borders, they have effectively been in a prison for decades. I would hate to see Israel agree to the demand because of the increase in rockets, the rest of the region does not need to learn that the way to get what you want from Israel is to attack them. But at the same time, it's about time the borders open up with a long term peace agreement, maybe Israel could demand that if no rockets are fired for one year, they will allow the borders to open. This same rocket/airstrike scenario has repeated itself several times since Israel was formed, it isn't always Hamas and most recently it occurred in 2008 where Israel sent ground troops into Gaza, obviously that didn't stop the rocket attacks. So to prevent it from happening in the future there are two options for Israel; kill every single Palestinian, or open the borders and aim for long term peace. No official from any country including Israel considers killing every single Palestinian a viable solution, so they are attempting to broker a long term peace which seems to be the only real option left. I am curious TruthComesHere, how would you go about coming to a long term peaceful solution?
mindyabusiness...I NEVER said Mr. Obama was a Muslim. You are not reading MY post if you took that from it. I said he is getting buddy buddy with the Muslim Brotherhood who by all means and purposes is terrorist leaning. It is not about the past aggressor and I am sure there is, as there always is, a reason Israel did what they did. Most of the time it is called protection. NO country would allow someone to launch missiles at them without a response...NOBODY. It is just that Hamas may have bit off MUCH more than they can chew in this case.
riverboy...Go back a couple thousands year. Israel established their land from Canaan.
mindyabusiness...I NEVER said Mr. Obama was a Muslim. You are not reading MY post if you took that from it. I said he is getting buddy buddy with the Muslim Brotherhood who by all means and purposes is terrorist leaning. It is not about the past aggressor and I am sure there is, as there always is, a reason Israel did what they did. Most of the time it is called protection. NO country would allow someone to launch missiles at them without a response...NOBODY. It is just that Hamas may have bit off MUCH more than they can chew in this case.
riverboy...Go back a couple thousands year. Israel established their land from Canaan.
truthcomeshere: the idea that our president is getting buddy buddy with ANY terrorist group is birther talk. you may not agree on his politics regarding taxes, healthcare, same-sex marriage, etc but best believe he would not orchestrate an attack on our own soil. no president is that stupid. what intelligent politician has expressed concern over his relationship with terrorist groups?
Truth, glad to see you know the history, but if you are going back that far, historians say it is impossible to discern if Persians or the Jewish had established communities there first. Which is part of the problem between Iran and Israel. To say that because someone was there tens of thousands of years ago, that they have a right to commit genocide on people there and take it back now, is just ridiculous. If every group of people went and annexed the land they had thousands of years ago, no countries would remain the same by the end of the year. We would have to leave the United States of America if every group of people claimed what they owned thousands of years ago. Oh by the way, Americans instigated a conflict to achieve their freedom, what is so bad about Palestinians not waning their children to be born in a prison?
I'm still waiting for you to state how you would go about achieving a long term resolution to the problem since you were so critical of Mr. Obama working with both sides to achieve one.
wow...mindyabusiness....Once AGAIN I NEVER said he was or would orchestrate an attack on our soil. Are you even replying to the right thread?
riverboy...LET Israel do whatever they see fit to protect their citizens from missile attacks. I am sure the U.S. would not listen to ANY other country if it was us who was being hit with missiles. NOPE, we would respond in OUR way. Israel has offered a solution to the Palestinians but they don't want it. If they truly don't want their children born in prisons, although I don't even know how that can be, then they should accept the proposals on the table that will give them the land they wish for. Or maybe Iran could give up some of their land to house the Palestinians and their state, or perhaps even Egypt. But we don't hear about those solutions either.
The problem is MUCH broader than Israel, Iran, and Gaza. The ENTIRE middle-East is a waste. And a lot of that is to do with Islam or at least how it is being taught to the people over there.
truthcomeshere: and there it is! you believe the entire middle east, which is regarded as the cradle of civilization, the birthplace of christianity, is a "waste" and that all stems for your islamophobia. no sense in arguing with a bigot.
BUT let me just say this - the offer that the israeli's gave the palestinians was not and has never been acceptable and any rational group would have rejected it. if someone took something from you then offered to give you less than a quarter of it back, you would reject that, right? they are negotiating via two extremist groups, both sides won't conceed or back down, and their citizens are getting caught in the cross fire. getting back to what originally pissed me off about your comment though, obama is not getting chummy with hamas, hezbollah or any other extremist group. plz show me evidence if you have proof that obama is getting close to a terrorist organization.
I like your idea about other countries absorbing the Palestinians, but it's not realistic because the current Gaza and West Bank governing bodies would lose their power and would never agree to it. But I think saying the entire Middle East is a waste is extremely narrow-minded, my best friend is Syrian and I could not ask for a better friend, and alot of the general population in the middle east are just victims to what the officials in power decide to do. But you make a very good point that most don't realize, the problem is how Islam is being taught, when most people hear outside the Middle East "Islam" they think "Suicide Bomber" or something along those lines, which is not the case. While I'm not religious myself, I understand that the Catholic/Christian crusaders who committed unspeakable atrocities don't represent a religious group, they only represent extremism, thank you for bringing that up Truth.
Now to address my prison commment that you stated you don't understand, let me describe Gaza in very general terms. Let's say you reside in a place where someone decides if you can leave it or not, someone decides what you can and can't receive, someone decides who is allowed to visit you and when. We take for granted we can go online and order anything we want that will be shipped to us, but Gaza has no control over what they are allowed to receive. The only way to get any supplies outside of food into Gaza, is smuggling it. Israel doesn't even allow cement and other basic supplies into Gaza. They are living as if they are in a prison, and if they have a child, well that child is being born into the same environment. Understandable?
By the way Truth, I'm really enjoying this conversation with you. By now most people going back and forth would have resorted to a "you're wrong!" and "no! you're more wrong!" type of argument. I wish our politicians could converse without taking differing opinions as personal insults.
While I agree with much of what mindyabusiness says, Truth I still can't find where you said Obama would orchestrate an attack on American soil. To be honest it seems like mindyabusiness ASSUMED you meant Obama was Muslim, then once again ASSUMED all muslims want to attack America.
riverboy - i assumed nothing lol he made the statement that obama is working alongside muslim terrorists groups. why else would he work with them if he didn't hold their values above ours?
From what we know, Obama is working with a group that is working with a muslim terrorist group; Obama > Muslim Brotherhood > Hamas. But to think Truth meant Obama is working with them to attack American soil is a huge assumption, the "why else" and reality of Obama working with them is to achieve a peaceful resolution to this conflict.
mindyabusiness - Do you think you are the only one who know people from the Middle-East? Clue: You aren't. I have nothing against the people per se but as long as they allow themselves to be ruled by extremists they will not have peace. My comment, and you can refute it if you like, was meant to say the ENTIRE Middle-East is a waste because of the teachings of their Islamic leaders. Every country over there is in some kind of turmoil and mostly there are bombs involved, even against each other. I have nothing against ANY religion unless you want to kill others because they don't believe the way you do .... infidels in their words. Also, I never said Mr. Obama was getting chummy with Hamas or Hezbollah. You are reading things into my comments that are just not there.
riverboy - A good debate is always fun as long as you address what is said and don't make assumptions as mindyabusiness appears to be doing. The Palestinians are in "prison" because they allow Hamas to run things and the shipments will many times include arms. I think the U.S. would do exactly the same thing, or any country for that matter, if missiles were being launched at our civilian population. Anyway, enough of all this time to move on. Have a Happy Thanksgiving.
President Obama is doing his job, and is intelligent to understand the serious nature of what is going on in the Middle East. That is fact! This President does not 'act.' Like "Brainless Bush" did for 8 long painful years of 2 unpaid "Wars For Profit." Huge National Debts, and no clue of how the world works. It is 'disturbing' to continue to hear Tea Beggers still 'spewing' their "Crazy Conservative Crap." Now President Obama is able to "Multi-Task," and is able to control other events. Now"Insane McCain" in 2008 proved that he could NOT do many things at one time. He showed low intellectual ability, and no understanding of the facts. It is 'disturbing' to watch "Insane McCain" use Susan Rice as a political 'scapegoat.' How disturbing! This President is able to research all information correctly, and is able to independently read with comprehension. President Obama is highly respected in the world and other World Leaders trust this President. Now "Romulian Romney" would have no clue on what to do, and he would be in one of his many 'quiet rooms' with "Chump-Change-Cheney." Now that is disturbing America. The GOP/Tea Beggers still do not want to talk about the GOP "Caucus Conspiracy." Now that is very disturbing America!
I heard they're trying to advance a bill to officially change the spelling to "koch-us". Just a rumor at this point...
b-b-but Wormney was gonna use a kinder, gentler machine gun hand wasn't he?...
One of the things that I find endlessly entertaining is when the intentionally low-info bigots blame the President for the Islamic Brotherhood being voted into power in free elections in an islamic country.
You can't even ask them to explain that.
In other news, when viewed from a distance, Boehner was mistaken for Allen West today in Washington by Republican house members holding out hope.
LOL. Very funny, chick binder.
I agree with you about the low-info bigots who blame the President for the Islamic Brotherhood's success. If McCain had been elected in 2008, we'd now be at war in Libya, Egypt, Syria and Tunisia, as well as Afghanistan--and we'd still be in Iraq. We'd probably be going back into Viet Nam, too.
Too true Jack... And I'd bet the new border fence with Canada wouldn't even be a quarter done yet...
Ha! Good one!
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That would be good for peace if they all blow themselves to smithereens. Imagine the peace the world would have if Arabs and Jews blew each other to to smithereens? I will be dancing a jig! Lol!
Guess the Muslim Brotherhood was afraid that after all of their saber rattling the Israelis may just come and kick their @ss. So they cal their brother obam to save them. I hope Israel tells obam to go F@$k himself.
So misinformed it hurts.
Just how many times in the last 24 hours has he called BB Netanyahu ? And how many times did BB ignore him ? Serves him right ....
Barack Hussien has no tolerance for an Israel that protects itself in no uncertain terms. Hussien gives the vermin Palestinians the same equal standing that he would give Israel or Sweden for that matter! One nation wants peace, the other wants conflict. It's that simple. One wants an everlasting accord and laws, the other wants a truce, so they can drum up more kids and grandparents to wire up with bombs.
Barack Hussien should FINALLY decide who his true friends are, and who is playing him for a fool.
And you should educate yourself as to what is actualy happening.
andrewwoody: the lack of education on middle eastern history and politics is really unsettling. people's readiness to jump on israel's side makes this very clear.
if all of you do any type of research on the conflict in the middle east, please watch this documentary: Occupation 101. It's available on google for free and it will show you exactly the conditions that Palestinians are living under and you tell me if Israel is helping foster a peaceful coexistence between the two.
Has Obama called Netanyahu even once???????????? ....I guess a phone call to the Muslim Brotherhood is more important for Obama?
Who would you call to achieve peace, the one doing the shooting or the one being shot at? Thank God he's in charge and not you.
He has to call the muslim borhterhood, he needs to know how many are coming over for Thanksgiving.
Zombiequest,
Israel was the one being shot at!!! Did you just now start reading the paper?
paladin: where in the world are you picking up that israel is the victim here? they have been fighting since world war ii and neither side is innocent. why are you picking israel's side? i am very curious to hear this.
They were being shelled first. Gaza drew first blood.
They have been bullied forever. I do not see where they are saying that the Arabs should be pushed into the sea and destroyed.
Tell me oh wise one, why you think they should stand down?
paladin: so you believe because palestine started it, they will always 100% of the time be in the wrong? sorry bro but anyone with a brother or sister knows that isn't how it works.
the u.s. wants you to think israel is the victim so they can continue using them as a resource but that is dead wrong. you didn't see anything about Arabs being pushed into the sea and destroyed because you haven't looked hard enough. israel forces palestinians to live in tightly confined spaces, check out to leave the area, enforces a mandatory curfew and throws bombs around just as often as they do at civilians. israel may have been "granted" that land after world war ii (which is highly contested because a third party can't give land that they never owned but i digress) but that doesn't give them a right to treat human beings like cattle, especially knowing that both sides have a rich history on that land. nobody is in the right here but to pick israel is baffling to me.
Israel isn't the ones calling for the total destruction of the other. Palestine and by extention Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood and the rest of the terrorist entities Palestine involves themselves with are just that terrorist.
There in lies the major difference.
megsta- israel is keeping palestinians caged up and restricting their ability to leave and go as they please. they might not have said they want total destruction but their actions say otherwise. both sides have their share of both terrorist groups and rational groups fighting for that land. don't believe the hype.
....so the news is out....George Soros is investing heavily in gold, betting against the US dollar and hoping the US economy further falters.....no wonder he was such a huge supporter of Obama!
Hope, George Soros is now buying gold due to the European economic issues, not "betting against the US dollar". BTW - so is John Paulson, an investor who contributed over a million dollars to back the Romney campaign.
You can't use select-a-vision to see only the parts of the facts that suit and/or support your theories.
And this has to do with US/Egypt relations how?
Dear HopeisGone,
A flag displayed upside down means distress, however if it's put upside down when there is no distress it means the person doing it is intentionally disrespecting the flag.
Called only 3 times in the last 24 hours??? You MEAN only 3 KNOWN times in the last 24 hours. Obama likes to chat with his like minded Muslim Brotherhood Extremists. After all, plenty of Muslim Brotherhood Extremists have visited the White House under this Administration (along with many Hamas members)
Just what does a muslim eat for thanksgiving? Camel? I cannot find it on the Whitehouse website or the Obama website.
ah, Kurt is using his "mental powers" (lol) to "know" "facts" that no one else does. you're funny.
Eat with the Infidel Pligrims and the Indians? The Muslim Brotherhood (and Hamas) types would be trying to behead the Pligrims and the Indians for such "Infidels" as they are rather than joining for Thanksgiving dinner.
btw kurt, which MB EXTREMISTS have visited the white house? and what exactly is a MB "EXTREMIST"? Dazzle us with your brilliance! lol.l
Vermontguy, no "mental powers' to "know" "facts" but rather just the plain fact that there were many visits of the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas visting the Whitehouse
http://beforeitsnews.com/tea-party/2012/10/records-show-repeated-visits-to-wh-by-muslim-brotherhood-hamas-islamic-militant-organizations-2462228.html
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/white-house-visitor-logs/
http://www.independentsentinel.com/2012/10/obamas-white-house-puts-out-the-welcome-mat-for-radical-islamists/
Vermont, if you want actual names of Islamist Extremists Wackos visting the White House, here are just a few: Jamal Berzinji, Jamal Bedawi, Mohammed Al-Hananti, Hamad Al-Ghazaili, Muzzamil Siddiqi, Bassam Osman, Nihel Awad
lol, plenty of info about muslims who visited the white house. Which of those are MB EXTREMISTS? You failed to answer my question. :)
PS = those "sources" you cited are somewhere between incredibly biased and just plain crazy. lol. Like you. :) "If Emerson’s lack of qualifications, shoddy work as both a journalist and “terror expert”, as well as his biases against the Arab and Muslim American community were not enough then this should be the icing on the cake: Emerson’s organization IPT has been exposed to be a front organization that is used to funnel money," lol.
Sad, Vermont Guy is in such a denial that Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood Extrememists have visting the White House during the Administration many times.
i'm not in denial. Your sources are, as I said, somewhere between "absurd" and "crazy". lol.
when you get a credible source to back up your nonsense, get back to us.
sad how you are in denial about what is credible..and what is craziness. lol.
So VermontGuy, you are saying the White House Logs are NOT "credible"? Are you claiming someone ELSE signed the names of Muslims Extremists when they visited the White House? Only someone as "absurd" and "crazy" as Vermont Guy would think that the White House Logs are "absurd" and "crazy"
gosh, you're dense. Its the INTERPRETATION of the logs that isn't credible. lol. I thought that was obvious..well, apparently it wasn't to you. :)
As I already posted, the IPT is somewhere between absurd and crazy. all you did was post 3 loony sites all referencing the same loony "study". lol Clue for the clueless: 4 crazies all saying the same craziness doesn't make it credible. :)
Really vermont guy, I mean come on. Our president shouldn't be talking to other world leaders. That's ridiculous. Peace between other countries? Now THATS crazy talk.
We should just bomb them because they're Muslim. And we all know that muslims are the root of all evil.
The Brothers-in-Hood are having a cabinet meeting. The Blind leading the More Blind.
I've told that driver over and over again!... Not every passenger on the short bus is supposed to get off at the same stop!! Now look at them wandering all over the board saying idiotic things to make each other feel comfortable.... Ever since they shut down the Fox boards the short bus routes have been screwed up, so they just dump them anywhere.
You guys could form a boy-band if you had the qualifications.
Of course he does. With a middle name of Hussein, do you think he's going to call the president of Israel? God help us! I stand with Israel!
omg not another "hussein is a muslim" idiot? apparently so.
"Obama, who is on a tour of the Far East, spoke Monday with Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu."
I think you should stand with the morons. You can't even pay attention to facts before launching into obama hate. lol.
Vermontguy, why are you calling Obama's parents idiots? They are the ONES who gave Obama the middle name of "Hussein". Obama wearing a ring in college and during his 2009 Apology Tour in Cairo with Arabic Script that states "There is no God but Allah" was Obama's OWN Choice, you idiot.
you're a fool. I'm not calling his parents an idiot for giving him that name, i'm observing that posters who think that having the name hussein somehow makes you a muslim/biased towards muslims are idiots.
you're an idiot. :) Of course, based on the craziness you post, that's obvious. :)
Vermontguy, look at those of the Luo Tribe, the Tribe of the father that Obama claims, they are made up of Muslims. His parents gave the Obama a middle name of Hussein as a Muslims sounding name. Nothing wrong with that, Muslims tend to give their children Muslim sounding names. Obama having end of Ramanda dinner feast at the White House is not because he is a Jew, Buddist, Christian, Hindu or Shinto but rather ... well ... he is a Muslim.
btw, the "muslim ring" stupidity has already been debunked..see, for example, .snopes.com/politics/obama/weddingring.asp
clue for the clueless: having a muslim name doesn't make you a muslim, no more than having a japanese name makes you shinto/buddhist. lol.
and more clues for the clueless: presidents host all kinds of events. for example: "If twice makes tradition, President Obama has a new one for Christmas Day: greeting troops during dinner at the Marine Corps Base Hawaii."
according to your "logic", he must be a christian if he's hosting a christmas dinner. lol.
The ring thing has been debunked and there never was an apology tour. Grow up.
If you are going to stand with Israel, the first thing you should learn is that Netanyahu is the Prime Minister. Or maybe not.
vermontguy....
if you met a man named "Paddy O'Brien"...wouldn't you think he was Irish? (you'd probably be right)
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If you met a man named "Shlomo Katz"...wouldn't you think he was Jewish? (and, you'd probably be right again)
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so if you met a man named "Barack Hussein Obama"...is it really a stretch to think he was Muslim??? (and, you just might still be right)
A flag displayed upside down means distress, however if it's put upside down when there is no distress it means the person doing it is intentionally disrespecting the flag.
Good lord HopeisGone, how badly do you want to find something, ANYTHING, to hate President Obama for? Your blatant partisanship is showing....feel free to find your own way back to reality, we can only point the way to you so many times.
Not only completely false (and easily checked), but inflammatory and inappropriate.
Uhm. Its Ramadan. Seriously. If you're going to be bashing an entire religion for no reason, at least know what you are talking about.
And seriously? I have Christmas with my family, but I am not a Christian. I have gone to a Ramadan feast, but I am not Muslim. I have participated in several different festivals from other cultures and religions. What is your point?
Peace Can Be Very Costly -- But War Can Be Very Deadly!
I'll Try For Peace At All Costs -- Before Deadly -- The Ultimate Cost!
Well Obama can secure Egypt's help in stopping the belligerency by threatening to withdraw financial aid from Egypt, or by offering by offering more financial aid to Egypt. I wonder which way he will go.
Oh I forgot...money drops from him like rain from the clouds. It is not a question of if we will pay for peace, but how much we will pay.
when obama actually does something that isn't in your imagination, come back and lets discuss reality, not hate. :)
vermontguy - I think you are in the wrong place if you want to discuss reality.
Vermontguy
Explain to me how George Clooney throws a nice big campaign party for the current POTUS and shortly thereafter receives 1/2 billion to take to Africa? I know things are tough there, however, things are tough here. To give this campaigner for the POTUS a check to take out of this country is appalling at best.
Of course he called him. Morsi promised Obama some primo dates, figs and olive oil....and blonde Lebanese hasish. What did you think Obama was doing in the situation room on 9-11-12? After all, Obama wants some kind of return on the billion plus we sent the B'hood.
considering how hard Oblunder worked to get Morsi in office I would expect he is calling him.
what EXACTLY did obama do to get morsi "in office"? There must be a lot since you said he "worked hard" to do so. please be explicit, no lies/rumors/inventions/hopes/guesses please. :)
This is blatant American exceptionalism (Oblunder worked to get Morsi in office) as if the American president determines the outcome of foreign elections. Even when you're being negative you can't escape your arrogance of American superiority.
I wonder if he gave President Mohammed Morsi his own Obama Phone so they can keep up with one another?
do some research and get back to us. lol.