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Subscribe to RSSA group of 97 House Republicans have signed a letter discouraging President Obama from nominating UN Ambassador Susan Rice to be Secretary of State, saying that Rice "either willfully or incompetently misled the American public in the Benghazi matter."
The letter, penned by Rep. Jeff Duncan, R-S.C., states the group is "deeply troubled" that President Obama is considering Rice for the position.
"Though Ambassador Rice has been our Representative to the U.N., we believe her misleading statements over the days and weeks following the attack on our embassy in Libya that led to the deaths of Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans caused irreparable damage to her credibility both at home and around the world," the letter reads.
Citing her comments on the Sunday shows, including Meet the Press, on Sept. 16, 2012 where she called the attack "initially a spontaneous reaction" to protest in Egypt, the letter says "the inconsistencies deserve closer examination."
The letter says the unanswered questions surrounding the Benghazi attacks are reason to "strongly oppose any efforts to nominate Ambassador Susan Rice for the position of Secretary of State."
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Romney Ryan tried to "willfully or incompetently" mislead "the American public" on major issues like MediScare, and they did it without compunction. They doubled down on the Chrysler Jeep lie several times, after Chrysler told them to knock it off. No shame.
Now McCainGraham are trying to do the same FAUX destruction on Ambassador Rice. They want to make a mess of her career, and they will argue with any facts to do so.
Former CIA Head, General Petraeus, testified that the TV declassified talking points used by Ms. Rice were given the go-ahead by the CIA. She followed orders.
Even former SOS Condoleeza Rice has sided with the Administration. Lots of GOP congressionals in the Senate are siding against McCainGraham - who are CLEARLY plucking at straws. We are tired of the GOP approach of LIE FIRST, AND LIE LAST -- AND NEVER MIND WHO PAYS THE CONSEQUENCES.
Isn't that funny? Those same GOP'ers weren't the least concerned about Condi's misstatements about "mushroom clouds" that led us directly into war.
Republicans, the faux outrage is getting old. This is why you got your rears handed to you in the last election!
You have got to be kidding me! Do these people understand anything? Talk about doubling down on stupidity! If the Republicans continue down this path over the next two years, the House is definitely going to slide over into the Democrat column.
I agree, Jack. If the Republicans keep up with obstructionism for its sake alone, people are going to look for alternatives to vote for.
This is really getting old.
Is there any evidence anywhere that Ambassador Rice purposely misled the country? Does McCain or anyone in the media or the GOP have such evidence? If they do, fork it over.
Otherwise, stop wasting our and the government's time on this GD grammar school BS.
People can make up any kind of BS they want. Particularly if you are a Republican.
Too bad the media can't see through them. Or better yet, maybe they have nothing better to do with their time. Because that's what it looks like.
So this letter is penned by Jeff Duncan who just so happens to be the Rep. out of South Carolina. This of course has Lindsey Graham aka Ed Flanders(The Simpsons) written all over it. This is nothing more than a witch hunt being led by Graham, McCant, and now this Jeff Duncan character. If this group would spend the amount of energy on resolving the fiscal cliff issues that they are spending on Amb. Susan Rice, we would be in a heck of a better position come the end of the year.
I only wish the people "looked for alternatives" sooner and disinfected more of the GOP from the House. Now we again have to deal with their heartless majority there for at least two more years, and the midterm is not encouraging either.
IF I were into conspiracy theories-maybe an attempt to keep Sec. Clinton in the job so that she doesn't have time to get into the 2016 race because they know if she does, they can't field anyone who could give her a run? Or the other theory I've read is they are smearing Amb. Rice so that Kerry will be nominated & they can sneak Scott Brown back into Mass. And yes, today I have waaaay too much time on my hands!
Backhouse, nicely said. It's true, more republicans in Congress are running away from these wacky folks than are standing with them.
Jack, I don't think they are smart enough to have a clue.
Here's a thought to these witch hunting GOPers, why not investigate Darryl Issa. In his zest to skewer the Obama administration over Benghazi (have failed miserably with Fast & Furious), Issa outed a CIA operation which put Americans and the Libyans helping them in danger. There's stupid, then there's double down on stupid GOP style. What a bunch of sore loser, cry babies they are--drives them crazy that President Obama and democrats have stolen their foreign policy cookies.
So now we know who the dumbest 97 Republicans are. Save the list and publish it so wel all know who they are and ignore the signatories henceforth. They probably don't believe in science either but perhaps do believe in the tooth fairy.
Pat, you said it--where's their proof and why isn't the media asking them to provide it!
After Petraeus testified Friday, McCain couldn't run from the TV and microphones fast enough after muttering and sputtering a couple minutes. McCain and Graham, and the others who joined their crusade, owe Ambassador Rice, the Obama administration, and the American people a public apology.
Unemployment remains high, and this is how they spend their day? The irony is that anyone who spent as little time working as these guys would be fired by his/her employer.
Doesn't any one on here . . . oh hell what's the use.
Agree, Jack. Now they are going to spend additional time(and our money) in creating a committee that will "investigate" the initial talking points that Susan Rice, as well as all the officials, were given during the first couple of days after this tragedy. A committee regarding talking points? This folks, is how the GOP spends our money! If there were committees being formed to "investigate" talking points of the GOP, our government would be in committee seven days a week. There are certain members in a certain party who really need their asses kicked out of office.
Pat Boston MA.
John McCain is whining that he gets no answers....while skipping the Benghazi briefing. There is nothing, NOTHING, that will change their minds...that is all they have left to smear President Obama.
Agree, bayllie. John McCant is so outraged over Benghazi, yet he skips a meeting on a committee that he sits on so that he can spout more venom on the Today Show. It was more important for him to be in front of a camera than it was for him to be in a meeting that everyone knew was happening for a couple of days prior. The flimsy excuse from his office was a joke, as is the man himself.
No Democratic senator should be given a administration job and reducing the majority in the Senate. Kerry needs to take one for the team and stay in the senate. I just wonder what the breakdown of the count of the letter was 97 GOP - 0 DEMS? Obama should nominate Maria Otero for Sec of State. She was born in Bolivia and is the highest ranking Hispanic in the State Department. Let the GOP chose between further alienating the Hispanic vote and playing obstructionist politics.
The Pukes want to try and garner the Foreign Policy issue in order to hammer at doom and gloom and fear and intimidation.
That is all that they have.
GOP is the party of doom and gloom and fear and intimidation.
Ben, your words described you perfectly.
The fact that Petraeus backed up Ambassador Rice's comments as being the ones she was given by the CIA apparently means nothing to those who refuse to accept the truth. It was the same briefing information given both democrats and republicans in Congress--too bad, the GOP didn't bother reading it. Cover up what exactly? Ambassador Stevens and 3 others are dead; we saw the protests and riots as they were happening, we saw the middle east in turmoil over an idiotic video. Yet republicans would rather spend their time pointing fingers, looking for a scapegoat, concocting conspiracy and cover up theories than doing what needs doing: investigate, find out what happened, why it happened, who did it, and what can we do to prevent a similar attack in the future--no finger pointing or scapegoating required. It's that easy.
Jody, great post.
I so agree with all on here (well, the smart ones!). Knowing that 97 congressmen and women felt that one of the first priority actions after the election was for them to sign their name on a piece of paper to prove that they love FOX and all of their talking points. They aren't after the truth. They're after their 15 minutes in front of a camera and are all yearning to get it!
My guess is that even if committees investigate and find that Susan Rice did exactly as she was told and has no culpability in this matter at all, they will still use it to sabotage her confirmation as Secretary of State.
These people are traitors to our country. In essence they are playing politics over the death of Ambassador Stevens and the former Seals. We as Americans cannot tolerate this kind of behavior. It is time for these people to be called out for what they are, terrorist in government.
The Secretary of State, appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate, is a member of the President's Cabinet, the National Security Council, and is the highest-ranking appointed executive branch official both in the presidential line of succession and the order of precedence.
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The House has no say in this appointment. None. Nada. Zilch.
Pat . . .
And that's why their panties are in a collective bunch! They want more power than they have and have no desire to actually do the jobs they were elected to do. Sad.
Layton, someday we'll have normal hard working reps in the House again. Pity they have so many perks as elected officials. Biggest waste of money that we the taxpayers have to pay for these nitwits.
Ambassador Rice is 50x brighter than any of them, and that includes John McCain.
I know what we really should be investigating. Who set up the release of the Anti-Islam video that inflamed the middle east mid election time.
Backhouse
"Romney Ryan tried to "willfully or incompetently" mislead "the American public" on major issues like MediScare, and they did it without compunction. They doubled down on the Chrysler Jeep lie several times, after Chrysler told them to knock it off."
Oh they doubled, quintupled, and septup-lied about whatever they thought would secure enough bigotry to buy an election... Then they set off politi-humping corpses and being ordered off the dead by the immediate families of the them... why, Romney knew that soldier so well after introducing himself four times in one evening that I'm surprised he didn't ask fro some Abu-Ghraib style glamour-shots with the body.
Pitiful, feckless bastrds... Now the rest of these has-beens and never will be's are on a crusade to make the GOP appear to have some standing in international affairs.... Where do they think that smell of death is emanating from? In my opinion, the obstruction has been blatant enough to be called treasonous acts.
What part of "You are of no benefit to the world" don't they understand??
These are the same GOP clowns that put up with the W. Bush and the Dick's lies. Not to mention the ton of lies by Willard and lyin Ryan.
what about the lies of Obama? thats right, in lefty world he is the silver tongue. I'll give you hard leaning lefties some credit, you do know how to tell some tall tales
Well, at least we can be thankful to the founding fathers that we don't have to really care what the GOP House members have to say.
And it is likely that the actions of Mitch McConnell in utilizing the filibuster will be killed off, at least to some extent.
If President Obama does put forth Amb. Rice as Sec. of State, you better believe he will have all of his Senate proponents behind him before he does. That is one knife fight he won't go into without having a thermal nuclear weapon ready to blast the GOP.
I am 'deeply troubled' by GOP House members who pretend to be 'deeply troubled' president may nominate Rice.
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Rice is a strong person and a perfect fit to be the next Secretary of State.
To what 'lies' are you referring, Caesar?
for starters its probably not going to matter what I say but if you believe Obama tells the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, I have ocean front property in Yuma Az, good deal too.
we cans start with the current Libya. Ya I know you lefties hate that one.
What lies, Caesar?
Btw, I finally returned to answer your question on the other thread....2 or 3 back.....
More importantly, what lies?
Wow ! Anyway you slice it, Susan Rice gave out FALSE and MISLEADING information on Benghazi !
Is she a stupid pawn of this administration, an intentional liar or just grossly incompetent ??? None of the above choices is acceptable for confidence in a Secretary of State. Not everyone Obama nominates is right for the job .... just look at the bumbling Eric Holder or Janet Incompetano !!
Time to move "forward" and come up with a better candidate Barry !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Republicans are deeply troubled alright, sadly, it has nothing to do with Susan Rice! ☺
Susan Rice did not tell the truth.
97 FOOLS ????????????????? Absurd ... getting more ridiculous by the day .... what is wrong with these people ...<shakes head> absurd i say ... ABSURD
... they cheered on Mitts lies
... they cheered on Lyan's lies .... wtf !
What do YOU know about being truthful, little Jimmy?
You wouldn't recognize the truth if it slapped you in the face!
Pace yourself buddy, you have another 4 years of President Obama to look forward to, at the rate your going, you're gonna stroke out by Thanksgiving!
and what do you base this accusation on? Sure Feisty, keep analyzing politics because you're oh so good at it
Lookit, Rice was told the talking points by the CIA, just like Colin Powell and the other Rice--Condoleeza, who later became Secretary or State after all of the correct facts about WMD came out. Were there more details she didn't talk about in that presser a week after the attack? Maybe. But those details could have been withheld for tactical reasons (e.g. like catching the bad guys) and nothing to do with Obama "hiding" something. This is really, much ado about nothing. Sometimes our government keeps things from us for a reason, and not just for nefarious reasons. These guys are acting like 6th graders.
hey, jim-1455434 who writes:
...but can you handle the truth? The truth is...Susan Rice did everything right...this is the whole truth..nothing but the truth.
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But Jim, I would think that you like lies more...such as 'Jim, U R handsome,' or 'Jim, U R great' - you would be all smiles..no matter how untrue such statements are ... but my point is never about if U R great or handsome.'
More facts:
Federal government employment now under 1% of population. Runaway government my arse.
http://zfacts.com/node/441
Great website--for the fact-addicted out there (and not for the fact-deficient, fact deniers)
SmBizowner, she said it was a video that inspired the attack. i believe the purposeful misleading whether she was told to or not. Speaking of sixth graders, when has it become acceptable to point the finger and say he/she did it first?
and you keep deflecting and spinning trying to make it seem like the DNC should not be accountable for anything. Ever (unless it was successful). That is disingenious to say the least.
no, she did what she was instructed to, being right and truthful are subject to debate. Hence the investigation.
If they're troubled over Rice they're just going to flip their little lids when President Obama get's to nominate 2 or 3 Supreme Court justices! Now THAT is going to be interesting!
Another fine example of capitalism run amok!
Who the f*ck deserves a bonus for running a company into it's second bankruptcy?
Typical I got MINE "EFF" you mentality of
corporate croniesgreedy bastards!Feisty...so many idiots get huge bonuses after running companies into the ground - the worst examples are those many bankers who got such bonuses with taxpayers' bailout money after causing the worst recession since the 1930.
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One major reason is...there is societal support to keep the money out of the hands of various minorities. Although one bailout to AIG (worth $150 billion in 2008) costs more than the entire government support for the poor, majority of Americans still believe that it costs more to help the poor (often minorities) than bailing out bankers.
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Sad...without common sense? yeah... a reality ... because prejudices against minorities are widespread in the US.
Correction to #1.46 - one bailout to AIG (worth $150 billion in 2008) costs more than the entire government support for the poor from 1990-2005
President Obama is a smart man and a proven leader. I trust him to nominate the best candidate to be the new Secretary of State, period. I don't give a rat's rear end what McCain and McConnell have to say about it, and neither should anyone else.
Those obfuscating GOP clowns need to get to work for this country. They have accomplished very little in recent years and it's high time they earned those fat salaries and perks. I'm 'deeply troubled' that they're still trying to turn the tragedy in Benghazi into political hay. Enough is enough.
GOP House members "Deeply Troubled"
Ha, ok now tell us something we did not already know.
Caesar Augustus, A GOPer calling someone a liar? Kind of like Chris Christie making fun of the fatty isn't it?
Oh pweeze siezure... wemme ask toooooooo! What lies are you referring to? Your own? Is this mere deflection from the innefectual? Projection from the dejected? Jealousy from the party that just can't quit lying? Tell us of the lies you refer to... We are all just on the edge of our seats waiting to know.
You're a Snarchealogical dig site dude... Shallow, but rife with mundane artifacts.
I bet that makes Mitt Romney grin from ear to ear. "Just the way I'd of done it!" is what he'd say proudly. I feel bad for the workers, but if there's one thing this country could do with a few less of is Twinkies and Ho Ho's. We may not lead the world in too many categories anymore, but one thing we're probably miles ahead is on a$$ width.
Ah, little Caesar is still around. Didn't anyone tell you your boy got beat, soundly? You should check into it. The points you make are rather trite. But I"ll give you credit for not beating it out of here like your fellow rwnj's like Spanky, No Jo and the countless others who were confident of a Willard win.
a GOP'er? thats right anyone outside of hardleftville is a GOP'er. Funny all i said that Obama lies like anyone else. I know you delusional lefties believe your Demigod is infallable but I assure you he's human.
you're absolutely right binder girl, Obama is great and honest. The epitome of perfection. But binder remember when you said Eminent Domain was a form of wealth redistribution? Remember under the other moniker that was banned? Remember?
tonybeeerm
cute coming from a mysoginist. Hey I love how the downfall of Hostess is a Bain thing. Cept that pesky successful Union tactic. OOPS. as for my 'boy' losing, oh well. Too bad you just can't round me up and put me in some political dissident camp huh? Im sure the time will come though eh tony. We'll have to wait another 4 years of 'success'.
Only place in town where his gigantic ego is fed by those who give the little prick some kind of credence!
When people STOP feeding @!$%#s like him, Kirk, and the rest of the merry band of misfits, they ultimately shrivel up and blow away!
These people are NOT here for an honest discussion, their sole objective is to stir up @!$%# and DISTRACT from the conversation....
Just saying...
"analyzing politics because you're oh so good at it..."
As are you, CA. I mean, you ARE, right?
Hey, "old gal"- think CA is "No-Jo- All Blow"? I mean, the nonsense sounds very much the same, and I sure as hell havn't seen NoJo the Poll Dancer on the First Thoughts column in a while. (but then again, I seem to be missing my favorite pork chop $miff, Me First and that psuedo-JusrisPrudence Practicioner, whats-his-spanker)
Buzz,
The day after the election the old broad was going to go out and buy herself a mink coat, and promised NOT to return to FR! Please... let us take her at her psychopathic word!
Then again, if MY husband travels the way hers does, I would need something to keep me warm on those cold winter NJ nights! lmao!
The mink murderess lives on in infamy... sort of!
I like to think i can do a better job. I mean I can sit here all day and just bash Obama without merit just like Feisty but I dont.
isnt this cute drivel by has has neat little monikers for all the opposite views. Remind me of Mickey. just full of BS
says the human echo chamber. Feisty, how precious you ignore everyone that doesnt agree with you. Top Notch. You have Drive By and after all he has some real killer one liners.
we've seen your conversations. Mittens sucks, Repubs suck, Boehner's drunk, tan, McCain is shriveled and old. Yeah sorry to interrupt the FR think tank. Keep up those 'honest discussions' . What a joke you are.
Oh Fisty, Bartles and James will always keep you warm.
No Joe’s Comment on 11/07/2012
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/07/14993875-first-thoughts-obamas-demographic-edge?threadId=3606147&commentId=71758641#c71758641
Honesty is not their policy, just as fairness and equality aren't either. As far as stirring goes, the only @!$%# being stirred is their own. The foot soldiers for the rich are out of step. But instead of stopping and realigning themselves, they try to adjust while still marching. Kind of hard to do, if you know what I mean. Tripping all over themselves, they are. Sorry, that just sounded like something Yoda would say.
Shee-it Red- If you were No Jo, I bet YOUR old man would be on the road more than Red Sovine (Bet Floyd knows who I mean..). It's just a shame I can't get on the old boards and do some 'friendly' battle with all the numb-nutz RWNJ's like I used to. But, if over half of 'em disappeared at the same time as the 'Poster-Pay" did, like I suspect they have, well- where would the fun in that be??
Nacho Cheeze swap for some, say,....OLD MAIDS??
Thanks for the (bad) memories, Dennis! ;)
Gosh, the air is so much fresher here now...it's like a cool breeze coming through an open window.
...not missing the ol' bj in nj, not one bit.
"I like to think...."
No, you don't.
Your posts over time have proven my sentiment repeatedly.
Please, give it up. Embarass yourself no more.
(by the way, I have to award you the "Mitt-sound-alike" contest winner of the week, CA.
Kudos.
(this post may appear eslewhere down the list, due to fat fingers that belong to DBO...so sue me. Or blame it on Obama...)
AlaskaGirl-759554
AlaskaGirl
Why do the representatives of Red States; even bother with Svengali-gate since they want to secede from the Union? SMDH
What a bunch of hypocritical morons, waste of time, tax $$$, and of course the government paper they write on.
jim-1455434
Susan Rice did not tell the truth.
Says that old goat; John McCain
The recently resigned spy chief [General Petraeus ] explained that references to terrorist groups suspected of carrying out the violence were removed from the public explanation of what caused the attack so as not to tip off the groups that the U.S. intelligence community was on their trail, according to lawmakers who attended the private briefings.
Petraeus also said it initially was unclear whether militants infiltrated a demonstration to cover their attack.
Petraeus testified that the CIA draft written in response to the raid referred to militant groups Ansar al-Shariah and al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb but those names were replaced with the word “extremist” in the final draft, according to a congressional staffer. The staffer said Petraeus testified that he allowed other agencies to alter the talking points as they saw fit without asking for final review to get them out quickly.
The congressional officials weren’t authorized to discuss the hearing publicly and described Petraeus’ testimony to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.
Sen. Mark Udall, D-Colo., said Petraeus explained that the CIA’s draft points were sent to other intelligence agencies and to some federal agencies for review. Udall said Petraeus told them the final document was put in front of all the senior agency leaders, including Petraeus, and everyone signed off on it. “The assessment that was publicly shared in unclassified talking points went through a process of editing,” Udall said. “The extremist description was put in because in an unclassified document you want to be careful who you identify as being involved.”
Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2012/11/16/petraeus-believed-terrorists-behind-libya-attack/#ixzz2CiriTkue
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Makes sense; right?
BTW: Wa Po fact checker gave that old goat 2 Pinocchios.
It's painfully obvious the racist House GOP members who are resisting Rice's nomination as Secretary of State are disturbed by her because their failed political agendas have become irrelevant on today's America. It is interesting to see the pointless and senseless posts on this site of the Republican Party's dwindling membership base who still cling to their hollow, bankrupt ideology. When is the GOP going to recognize these people and their degenerate ilk are holding them back and how soon before the Grand Old Party scrapes them off its shoe like excrement? Move forward and don't look back, Republican Party! Your country demands it!
A group of 97 House Republicans have signed a letter discouraging President Obama from nominating UN Ambassador Susan Rice to be Secretary of State, saying that Rice "either willfully or incompetently misled the American public in the Benghazi matter."
Please! Are the GOP puppet masters in agreement on this?
The GOP want Senator Kerry to be the one appointed to be the Secretary of State. It would open up a senate seat for another republican in the senate.
Ok, let's start there. WHAT LIES?
DETAILS please. You assert he is a liar, quote a few, link a few, you know, show some EVIDENCE?
When, during the hours immediately after the attack during which they were still trying to figure out what was happening? Contrary to popular Republican belief, life is NOT like '24,' it is messy, it is hard to verify, and it is anything but clear-cut at times.
McCain needs to step in out of that hot Arizona sun, it's doing damage to his brain...
Why didn't McCain go after Condy Rice, on weapons of mass destruction, with the same vigor? Oh right, she's republican so lying OK...
Republicans could not even get a majority of their House members to support this letter. Those condemning Rice post 9-11 statements need to watch them in full. She has done nothing wrong here.
Susan Rice is more qualified to be Secretary of State than any of the Bozos criticizing her.
Caesar: " I mean I can sit here all day and just bash Obama without merit just like Feisty but I dont."
Huh? I have NEVER heard Feisty bash Obama without merit--YOU yes! Feisty NO!
BTW, Rome has fallen (just like Romney-Ryan) didn't you get the memo?
You people are after the wrong truth. We should be finding out the causes behind failure of the security that allowed these deaths to happen. Who gives a dam about what Rice said 5 days after the incident, unless we only care about politics and are looking for some reason to bring down or embarrass Obama. I can see why McCain is doing this, but what's in it for you posters who are spouting off calling Rice a liar.
Wow, the party of 'poopy pants' and '@!$%#ty candidates' is all pissy over Rice being Secretary of State. Who would have guessed. Perhaps they are afraid of the Rice name - as you may recall, it was a Rice that promised us WMDs in Iraq based upon some empty toilet paper tubes.
This Rice is as good as, if not better than, the previous Rice.
The only thing these 97 TPGOP representatives are "deeply troubled" about is the trouncing of their party during the election. This is a distraction so they don't actually have to do any work!
"We have met the enemy and he is us!" Pogo by Walt Kelly
Boy, these republicants sure are gung ho on signing letters and pledges and anything else that has nothing to do with improving the economy of the US. Some public servants, eh? You know, they would be much better served if they start working with the newly re-elected Obama administration on a jobs bill that would kick start this whole thing. Somehow, I'm not thinking this is gonna happen anytime soon.
Oh, piggy, this Rice is waaaay better than that other Rice. That old Rice was overdone... or maybe it was the taste of that 'smoking gun mushroom cloud' sauce...
yuck! ;)
So 97 republicans once again prove themselves to be blathering hypocrits who ignore the facts because it doesn't suit their narrative. What about the other 130 or so republicans who, by their silence and refusal to sign the letter, disagree?
Too bad the House doesn’t get to vote … all they can do is whine
Dennis
I don't hear any more whining from the Republicans over the possibility of Rice being nominated for Secretary of State than I did the Democrats whining when John Bolton was nominated by President Bush to be UN Ambassador. If I remember it was all about the Democrats, especially Dodd and Biden, wanting some classified documents which the Bush Administration refused to give them. I also remember the Democratic Senators whining when they filibustered about a dozen of Bush's Federal Judges. Remember the gang of 12 that worked out a deal and agreed to give Bush some Judges but required him to withdraw the rest.
Those on the left that are trying to play the race and gender cards are the ones that are whining. All Congress is asking for is who changed the talking points in the information given to Ambassador Rice and why? Director Petraeus stated the CIA report was changed but does not know, or won't say, who made the changes.
Dennis, I know. Whining is what the GOP does best.
sfcret, yeah, appointing someone who hated the UN made so much sense. John Bolton wanted to eliminate the UN not to mention he's a bat crap war crazy neocon. Big difference and you know it.
Jody - You don't have any idea of what you are talking about. Get a life and learn something before posting things. The left didn't like Bolton and the right don't like Susan Rice, it's political. The Democrats wanted some information from Bush and wouldn't allow a vote on Bolton if they didn't get it. Now the Republicans want something from Obama and will hold up the nomination of Rice if they don't get what they want. It's called "tit for tat", and "what goes around comes around. "
BTW, Bolton didn't hate the UN just the corruption that was taking place in the UN. The corruption is still taking place.
Jody,
sfcret should know the difference, but from what I've seen of his posts I don't think he does.
Dennis,
I had had the same thought--that House members don't vote on Cabinet appointments, so why are they making such a big fuss? Then I wondered whether they are doing it because not enough Republican Senators are going to follow McCain and Graham, so they're adding their voices to the chorus to make it sound louder.
What's interesting to me is that Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) stood with McCain and Graham for photo ops last week, but since then she has maintained a low profile. I have a feeling that she got an earful from people like me in this State telling her to stop the crap and get to work on real business.
I never understood why anyone would want to make someone who thinks the UN is a useless organization in as Ambassador to the UN. But then the Republican party also wants to elect people who hate government to run the government, and put people on the science committee who don't believe in science, so maybe it's a GOP thing, outside the bounds of common sense.
Where is the Republican rant of "you're either with us or against us."?
sfcret, it seems you're the one who needs to get the facts before posting. John Bolton is on tape for any and all who care to bother looking for it. Why is it anyone who disagrees with you must immediately "get a life"?
Jack, you're so right. I usually don't bother explaining anything to him/her but it's a slow day. Good points about the House. An additional thought is that the GOP House wants to talk about anything except the fiscal cliff, raising taxes on the rich, the wind energy tax credit or the farm bill or...a dozen serious issues sitting on their desks.
Heartlight3, good points!!
What information did the Dems want from Bush Sfcret?? I'm sur Jody wants you to finish your history lesson, she just probably has you on ignore... What was it they wanted??
bigdogg464
"Where is the Republican rant of "you're either with us or against us."?
It's filed Alphabetically somewhere behind "Jobs, Jobs, Jobs!"... They reset after each election failure so they're only up to "Bitch, Bitch, Bitch!" again so far.
It might mean that they quit putting that koolaid in the water pitchers in the House chambers, maybe?
Hey Sarge how is it going, well I hope. You said "All Congress is asking for is who changed the talking points in the information given to Ambassador Rice and why? Director Petraeus stated the CIA report was changed but does not know, or won't say, who made the changes."
I say maybe Petraeus is flat out lying, the guy cheated on his wife, if a mans wife can't trust him, who can. If someone would lie and cheat on their wife, I sure as heck would not trust them to be honest with me. I used to think this Petraeus was a stand up guy, I have changed my mind based on his affair. Call me old fashioned but a man just don't cheat on his wife, it is the ultimate betrayal of trust and honor. Now Petraeus is like Bill Clinton, the affair is the only thing his detractors will ever remember and the one thing his supporters can never forget.
It seems to me the Republicans in the House would be "Deeply Troubled", by ANYONE that the President had in mind to nominate as the new Secretary Of State. They are trying to make themselves more relevant, in a process that has nothing to do with them. Of course Eric Cantor has probably had a word, with his buddy Mitch McConnell, who will more than likely have a word with a buddy on the Commitee, if it comes down to Confirmation Hearings. I just hope that the filibuster rules have been modified, by the time the Nominee is decided, make McCain/Graham WORK to block Ambassador Rice, if indeed she is the Nominee !!
Hey Luke, maybe the problem is that Susan Rice is too old. Whadya think?! Let's give the job to some more worthy young frat boy!
Ouch - but worth a laugh!! Sorry Luke, you dug that hole on your own : )
I thought Pelosi handled herself pretty well. First she waved the question off and said "Next!" But then said, "no wait, let's entertain the thought that it is a legitimate question." She then went on to explain her position very eloquently.
My guess, she will not call on Lukey Luke anytime soon for a question during question and answer time. I'm sure she has had a private conversation with him and has relegated him to the time-out room.
She shouldn't call on Luke again. Ever. The question was completely out of line.
Progress has nothing to do with age, particularly in Nancy Pelosi' case. She will always always always be on the side of the American people.
McCain? If anyone is too old, it's he. And Mitch McConnell. They are both a disgrace to the United States Senate.
But of course, no one would DREAM of asking them to step aside to make room for younger members.
With each passing year, Pelosi becomes more and more of an idiot and you call that progress?
Luke's just a kid, Pat. Let's hope he learns from that experience. Too bad his dad's not around to give him some sorely-needed good advice from time to time. Or a swift kick in the pants.
I just hope Luke develops into a worthwhile journalist and not a member of the 'gotcha' squad, like David Gregory. We don't need any more heat in media...what we need is light.
Lindsey Graham is an old white man from South Carolina and if you know the history of South Carolina you can place odds on Graham being a racist with McCain just being someone who can't accept losing.
I'm "deeply troubled" that these people have nothing better to do with their time than to publish letters like this. How about working on a jobs bill? How about working on the fiscal cliff? How about not putting people on the science committee who don't believe in science? Last I heard it was the Senate's job to confirm nominations, not the House. I'm "deeply troubled" that these people don't seem to have read the Constitution.
Didn't get on this morning's posts so wanted to wish Mark, Domenico and every one at First Read a very Happy Thanksgiving. I hope you get to spend some time with your families and friends. I'm very grateful for all the hard work you do and for this place to share my love of politics!
Susan Rice read the text released to her by the intelligence services. It was the same text released to Congress. It did not reveal the details regarding Al Queda, probably because we did not want to let them know we were in hot pursuit of the perpetrators. More information was released later.
Now republicans are once again ignoring the facts in order to attack the messenger. This tactic was used against Valerie Jarret after White House security was breeched by a publicity seeking couple and against Eric Holder following false claims by two ATF agents, intending to get their supervisor in trouble in the local ATF in Phoenix, Arizona. Is the fact that the persons attacked are all African American members of the Obama administration driving these attacks?
In each case, the target of Republicans' attack were not accountable for the incidents in any direct way. Yet Republicans continued to proceed with character assassination after the facts were known and the accountability clarified by determining and naming the source of the problems. When may it occur to Republicans that gross distortions of facts to attack a preferred target is dishonest and futile, except for creating false rumors. They cannot be doing it out of pure stupidity.
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They cannot be doing it out of pure stupidity.
I have a question: Have you met the GOP?
My mamma always said "stupid is as stupid does."
Since when has the GOP been known for having smarts?
My question is, if Mr. Patreous is giving testimony in secret, why the GOP members of Congress revealing those secrets ?
Isn't that a crime ?
No drip. High-level White House officials committing frequent national security leaks is acceptable to you ? Besides, after the first day of hearings on the Benghazi murders (before Petraeus gave testimony), everything that went on behind closed doors seemed to be quite public ! If you are going to play Barney Fife ... you better get a much bigger lasso !
The level of sheer, unadulterated effrontery that's being displayed here absolutely boggles the mind... I cast about in vain for a simile or metaphor that's equal to this staggering display of hubris that's being shoved, steaming, before the man who was just reelected with an unequivocal mandate, as if to say, "Here's what we think of democracy, the people's will, and doing our jobs."
I truly am forced to the conclusion that the leadership of the House Republican caucus have lost their ever-lovin', blue-eyed, collective marbles. The culture of obstructionism apparently has now become so deeply ingrained with these people that they've lost their capacity to deal with the world in any way but to deflect/obstruct/deny/reject.
All of the signatories of this revolting scrap of infamy ought to be recalled forthwith by the voters of their districts; it is as plain as the sunrise that they are no longer mentally competent to discharge the duties of their offices. As Oliver Cromwell said to the Long Parliament: "You have been in this place too long for any good you are doing. In the name of God, go."
It's up to the President to nominate and to the congress to "Advise and Consent".
Whether Amb. Rice is nominated is up to the President. Whoever is nominated will be subject to review and consent by the congress. When you see a story like this you're seeing the "advice" part. Republicans are saying that they would prefer a different choice. They would prefer (believe it or not!) John Kerry to head State, and he even has a "booster club" of sorts amongst the ranks.
Republicans would prefer Kerry at State over Sec Def, but either way they would like another shot at a senate seat in Massachusetts, which a Kerry appointment would give them.
Rice is at best a controversial choice, and would be so regardless of recent events. The President will decide if that is his best choice and course of action and then we will see. My guess is that he will nominate Kerry for State, and Defense will go to an uncontroversial moderate.
(Rumor has been that Joe Biden has always wanted SoS and that whoever gets the post will be steeping down to be replaced by the veep, with Hillary becoming VP, but Biden has hinted that he would like to take another run at the WH, which would obviously negate any thoughts of changing jobs.)
Kerry wouldnt be a bad SoS. I think he would be a good choice over Rice. Biden would be a lousy SoS and wouldnt get as much static as Rice (if not more). I think putting Hillary in the position of VP definitely props her up as a 2016 run. She would likely get my vote (depending on the GOP ticket), however if things do not get better under Obama I doubt it would help Hillary, in fact possibly hurt. I wont mind seeing a Hillary run in 16' in fact like i said would have received my vote in 08 if she were the nominee. She would have received my vote in 12'.
Dangerfield: it is not Congress that gives its advice and consent, it is the Senate. Under the current makeup of Congress, it is almost as if we have four branches, House, Senate, Executive and Judicial. The President ought to send a nice response letter to the Representives, thanking them for their opinion and letting them know he will be passing on the information to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, to use or ignore as he sees fit.
Ceasar: I don't think that either VP Biden or Sec. Hillary Clinton want to go through a nomination process with the current make up of the Senate.
nomination for what? The Senate make up is majority Democrat and I doubt Hillary has as much of an uphill climb in politics as Biden would (at this time in his career).
Dangerfield: it is not Congress that gives its advice and consent, it is the Senate.
The CONGRESS is...
The United States Congress is the bicameral legislature of the federal government of the United States, consisting of the Senate, its upper house, and the House of Representatives, its lower house. Congress meets in the Capitol in Washington, D.C.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress
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What were you correcting?
If the SENATE approves the nomination of such offices why is it any real concern of the House anyway? Shouldn't the House be conserned with the fiscal cliff? Money bills start in the House and that is what they need to be working on. It's all in the Constitution. Of course we know that some Republicans rewrite the Constitution as they see fit. After all wasn't it GW Bush who said that the Constitution is just a GD piece of paper?
And if the House members were truly concerned about Amb. Rice's standing in the world community, why are they attacking it and trying to weaken her?
Because she gave out false information regarding the Benghazi attacks ... and then repeated it many times.
Umm...now you just KNOW that you have to nominate her for the post.
I personally don't think she is great for the post, but Hillary wants to step down, John Kerry will mean a special election for his Senate seat so....
Most of the Republicans aren't that into diplomacy anyway ( right?). More to show the might of the USA than talk about solutions so why do they care?
We're all entitled to a personal opinion. My view is that Ambassador Rice has been working with the world's leaders through their ambassadors for nearly four years, she understands the complexities of diplomacy. She has been part of the State Department's efforts, worked closely with Sec of State Clinton, and helped restore US credibility within the UN. She was a valedictorian, Phi Beta Kappa at Stanford, a Truman scholar and a Rhodes Scholar with a PhD from Oxford. She has the qualifications and the work experience to do the job because she has been groomed for it and proved herself worthy of it. If President Obama makes the decision to nominate her, I think she would do a great job.
Remember, the GOP picked Willard for President and he is qualified for that office. That being said, Ambassador Rice is more qualified than ole Willard would be for Sec of State.
Correction:
Remember, the GOP picked Willard for President and he is not qualified for that office. That being said, Ambassador Rice is more qualified than ole Willard would be for Sec of State.
Keep trying Job1, you STILL are not making much sense.
Apparently there is no middle ground. Democrates revel at the feet of all mighty OBAMA. He is all good , all honest, all truthful. The GOP is ALL BAD, HORRIBLE, LIERS, EVIL INCARNATE!!!
REALLY?! GET A GRIP! Both sides are politicians. I vote for who I think will do the best job- not by party.
And I really am tired of the protected Obama- Quit throwing the RACE CARD on everything.
And please read the "Obama Care" Document. The taxes and penalties on the middle class and the small business, and the farmers will bring the middle class to its knees. The economics will destroy the middle class.
The middle class can not continue to support those who can not or will not get insurance. Where do you think the money will come from? Oh yes the rich - which includes most of the people in the congress. That money will not be enough to pay for 41% of the people in the US medical. As the illegals continue to come into the US-and really they will - cause we just hung a sign "FREE Everything - Come on IN". How will we pay for the growing poor and those who just milk the system? Think about this- has the Government ever run a program with out loosing tons of money in the process?
Lets hold our government accountable- no matter who is in office. Try not to be so dogmatic - and I would love to see the press report all the news - not pick and choose it.
dp The gop is ALL BAD HORRIBLE LIERS EVIL INCARNATE!!!!
Hey thats the title of my new book. How did you get that? Its about the lies republican/tea party say. Just like your post. By the way "Where is the free stuff?"
Let Obama choose Rice,What difference is it going to make?She will either do the job or fall flat on her face.It really makes no difference.The republicans have to realize that no democrat is going to listen to them anyway so once again, why bother?A word to the wise for ALL politicians,Do what you were put in office to do.There is always room in the unemployment line if you don't.With that in mind we all need to quit bickering and get down to business while we still have a free country to do so in.
The 97 signatories of this letter are "deeply troubled", all right...
...but not in the way that they are pretending to be.
This charade has gone on for far too long. STFU and get to work already!
everyone who wants something done should be contacting their reps instead of bickering.
Who said some of us aren't? There is nothing wrong with a healthy discussion here on the boards. I am already drafting a letter to my Senate and House Reps. I am sure others are or already have as well.
Rice and the rest of the Obama administration could not organize a one car parade. Rice is either incompetent or a liar! Probably both!
in order for any politician to hang themselves you have to give them some rope first.Think about that one for a minute.
In my opinion, I think those 97 House Republicans are acting like a Bunch of JERKS and they know it. They are such sore Losers in this election, even thought the held unto the House, that they are trying to help the Senate Republicans rebuke Susan Rice, lead by their Head Sore Losers and Jerks, Sens. McCain, Graham and Ayotte.
Unless, I am wrong the last time I looked the Senate is the only Body to Confirm Cabinet Positions. If I were President Obama, I would welcome this Fight. I think the SANE Part of the Public will be behind him.
This is all the Republican House Thinks their job is to INSULT People's Reputations and Intelligence. What about the Country going off of an ECONOMIC CLIFF?
The rest of the Romney Sore Losers and Fox News, well they WILL just have to SLIT THEIR THROATS OR WRISTS IN PROTEST AND THEIR HEADS EXPLODE.
the 1st part of your post was actually fairly decent.However,your last comment is hardly going to get you any cooperation from alot of people.
@TalkingPoints, Why you must be a self-proclaimed "Progressive" ... it's easy to tell from the inflammatory nature of your hateful rhetoric.
The Democrats won a close election and gained a few seats in Congress ... that does NOT mean the Republican Party is obligated to roll over, play dead and allow the Dems to do whatever stupidity they please. The House of Representatives is still controlled by Republicans. There is a reason for this .... when you figure it out, please let us know ! My guess is you'll get it WRROOONNNNGGGGG !!!!!!
Here is your answer - GERRYMANDERING THEIR DISTRICTS! Now you figure that one out. Jim
You get an "F" for logic. With Eric Holder as attorney general, this would have been quashed under the Voting Rights Law if anything untoward had happened. Nice alibi, but you just cannot accept that U.S. citizens saw just how dangerous Obama can be with a super majority ... and they didn't like it !!!
Jim -1455434 did you just emerge from a News Hole? My comment was not for your comprehension. My comment at the end was for those on Right that are so angry about the Re-Election of President Obama, that the only thing for these PEOPLE to do is for their heads to explode, or Get over it. You seem to be one of them. OH WELL!
Bush stole the first Election with the Help of a Conservative Supreme Court. President Obama won by Majority Electoral College and Popular Vote BOTH TIMES.
sfcret
False equivalency: Democrats blocked John Bolton's appointment to the UN because they disagreed with his neoconservatie ideology of using US military force to produce results, rather than engaging the international community through diplomacy.
Susan Rice is being blocked from promotion to Secretary of State because Republicans want to make a stink for the sake of making a stink. Republicans don't disagree with Susan Rice, unless you call disagreeing with getting the Arab states to support taking down Qaddafy a legitimate complaint.
The sad part is, Susan Rice has actually been successful in her post and would be a dynamic SOS. But, that's the Republicans for you, Party before country, every time.
i have to admit Hillary was one tough SOS.i sure would'nt want her for an x-wife.
Thank you Amy B. Educate these people.
The Republican Party: Opposing a nomination that may or may not occur based on a controversy over talking points that may or may not have been changed. You know they are stretching when their focus is not on what happened in Benghazi, not on how the administration immediately responded on the ground in Benghazi, but completely on what particular language the administration used to describe what happened in the immediate aftermath, when stories are always fluid anyway. That's it. That's their big scandal. That the CIA has classified intelligence that it doesn't always share immediately with the general public. That's it. Which we already knew because keeping classified intelligence secret until after everything is sorted out is the CIA's job.
Hey, anything to distract from the corner they've painted themselves into on economic policy.
The American People really need to vote out all of GOP! we need to vote them out in 2014 and keep them out! GOP lost the election sourly, because of there self- contained alternative reality bubble that they lived in and then it popped around them .They were shell-shocked at first. Now GOP is acting like spoiled little children with lying even more then before. I truly believe they are mentally insane. But do you notes that GOP is mostly overweight white males that maybe going through male menopause or maybe because GOP are liars, racist male chauvinism pigs.
The last thing this country needs is a one party government.I don't care which side anybody is on but a one party government is fundamentally a socialist government.That is the one thing i would not accept, no matter who is proposing it.everything else within reason is open to negotiation.
GetReal,
The American People really need to vote out all of GOP! we need to vote them out in 2014
Before you jump the gun lets watch how California does with a newly elected Democratic Super Majority.
Is California BANKRUPT ...... yet ????????????????????
If not it will be.
A little good news, Democratic Sen. Ted Lieu is dropping a push to ask voters to triple the state's vehicle license fee rates.
Bad news the Los Angeles City Council voted to ask for a half-cent sales tax increase. The current sales tax is 8.75 percent. The request to increase it to 9.25 percent will go on the March ballot.
This all seems like a big game so here goes.The Democrats have the homefield advantage and alot of points on the board.The Democrats currently have the ball and it's 1st and 10.The Republicans are the visitors and are on the defense.So what are we waiting for?The Republicans to score for the Democrats? Regardless of who it is..DELAY OF GAME!!!!!!! 5 yard penalty.
Another hissy fit. Keep working on 2014, GOP. Your strategy is curious, but I like the way it worked in 2012.
You seem to conveniently forget that 2 years after Obama's first election, the Democratic Party got shellacked in Nov, 2010 as a direct response to Obama ramming through Obamacare. The raw abuse of power from the oval office had results ! If Obama goes power crazy again, the results will be the same in 2014 !
JIM
The 2010 election is the direct results of the Koch's organization"Americans for Prosperity" distorting the purpose of Obamacare, busing phoneys around to town hall meetings to protest and project a false vision of the peoples rejection of the law. They also convinced the low information voters that Obama was the boogie man out to destroy americans freedom and turn America into a socialist state with him as the dictator who would go around chopping peoples heads off.
America is finally awake now so I don't think 2010 is going to happen again, matter of fact I think just the opposite is going to happen in 2014.
I hope the President nominates Rice as the best person for the job. The House has no role in deciding cabinet appointments so 96 non-deciding members signing a letter should be taken for what it is--a distraction.
If i were to run for public office, i would state clearly that i would want to rewrite these one sided free trade agreements that encourage American industry to move overseas.I would'nt be in asia trying to drum up business.As for the Republicans it would be time to meet with all of them and have a one time grip session,no holds barred.Then bring in the Democrats to join in and just get all the dirty laundry out in the open.After that we would find out where the common ground is and go from there.Those who donot wish to take part in something like that can go home and explain it to their voters.
Progressive Power has been very 'troubled' by the GOP?RNC "Caucus Conspiracy." The GOP/Tea Beggers do not want to talk about their 'conspiracy.' On Janruary 20, 2009 the GOP/Tea Beggers 'conspired' to destroy the American People, the US Economy, and the Office Of the Presidency. Now what the "Fourteen GOP Felon's" 'conspired' to do on thiis evening is very 'troubling.' Read Draper's Book America! It is a must read.
So you like "Fiction" ? I guess that is why you are an Obama leg-humper.
The only fiction there is; is what's been coming out of the house GOP for the last four years.