First Thoughts: Rebuilding time

Rebuilding time for the GOP… But there are no easy fixes… GOPers softening their opposition to tax hikes on the wealthy?... Obama meets with congressional leaders to discuss the fiscal cliff at 10:15 am ET… Petraeus testifies (behind closed doors) on Capitol Hill… Pew gets voters’ grades on the 2012 election… And Autopsy 2012: examining the evangelical vote.

*** Rebuilding time: As National Journal’s Ron Brownstein writes, the Republican Party now finds itself in the same position that Democrats were in after 1988: searching for a way to broaden the party’s appeal and message. (Or as former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour puts it, the GOP is in need of “a very serious proctology exam.”) Back in 1988, a former Massachusetts governor had just lost -- decisively -- to a vulnerable opponent, marking the fifth time in the last six presidential elections that Democrats had lost the popular vote. Flash forward to now: Another former Massachusetts governor has just lost -- decisively -- to a vulnerable opponent, marking the fifth time in the last six presidential elections that Republicans have lost the popular vote. Brownstein notes that Democrats, after the ’88 election, looked inward, created the centrist New Democrat movement, and turned to Bill Clinton to rebuild the party’s image. And the question for the GOP becomes: What does it do to turn around its presidential fortunes come 2016? Or, as the Wall Street Journal reports of a growing narrative among Republicans, was the loss simply Romney’s fault?

*** But no easy fixes: On Wednesday, RNC Chairman Reince Priebus delivered a presentation of exit poll data to GOP senators that pointed to several reasons why Republicans lost. (And by the way, none of those reasons mentioned the word “gifts.”) They included changing demographics (the white share of the electorate has declined from 81% in 2000 to 72% in 2012); George W. Bush (who was blamed more for the current state of the economy than President Obama); and a failure to be perceived as the champion of the middle class (44% of voters believed Obama’s policies favored the middle class, versus 34% who said the same about Mitt Romney’s policies). The problem for the GOP is that there are no easy fixes to those challenges. Republicans could sign on to comprehensive immigration reform as a way to better appeal to Latino voters, but which party would get credit for that legislative achievement -- the GOP or Democrats? In addition, this election proved that it’s difficult for the Republican nominee to break away from the Bush brand, even as Romney kept his distance from the former president. And as the debate over the fiscal cliff negotiations is proving, it’s hard for the GOP to be perceived as the middle class’ champion when it’s fighting against taxes being raised on the Top 2%. 

John Gress / Reuters

Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus waits for the start of the U.S. vice presidential debate between Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan and U.S. Vice President Joe Biden in Danville, Kentucky, October 11, 2012.

*** GOPers softening their opposition to tax hikes on the wealthy? But as Politico reports, some prominent Republican governors (both past and present) are softening their opposition to increased taxes on the wealthy -- as long as they get something in return for it. “The people have spoken, I think we’re going to have to be [flexible] now,” Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell said at the Republican Governors Association meeting in Las Vegas. “Elections do have consequences. The president campaigned on that [raising taxes on the wealthy].” Added former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour: “If there’s enough savings, if there’s enough entitlement reform, if there’s enough certainty about tax reform in the next few years, I would [consider letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the wealthy].” And these statements come before Obama’s meeting, at 10:15 am ET at the White House, with bipartisan congressional leaders to discuss the fiscal cliff crisis.

*** Petraeus testifies behind closed doors: The other big event in DC today is behind closed doors. The Washington Post: “Gen. David Petraeus has arrived at the U.S. Capitol to give testimony about the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in closed briefings to the House and Senate intelligence committees. Petraeus was unseen by reporters who had staked out parts of the Capitol complex they thought he might pass by, but a spokeswoman for the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence said he had arrived and would begin his testimony shortly after 7:30 a.m. The general is scheduled to appear before the Senate Intelligence Committee later Friday.”

*** Grading the 2012 election: According to a new Pew poll, the public gives the 2012 presidential election some low marks. Just 38% said there was more than usual discussion of the issues, which is down from 57% who said this after the 2008 election. In addition, more than two-thirds said there was more than your usual mudslinging, up from about half who said this four years ago. Meanwhile, voters gave Obama a C+ for the performance of his campaign (down from B+ in ’08); they gave Romney a C (down from McCain’s C+); they gave the press a C- (down from C); they have the pollsters a C+ (down from B-); and they gave the voters a C+ (down from B). Also, the Pew poll noted that 92% of voters followed the Election Night returns on TV, 34% followed them on the internet, and 27% were “dual screeners” -- meaning they both watched TV and surfed the internet.

*** Autopsy 2012: Examining the evangelical vote: Nationally, Romney won a larger share of the white-evangelical/born-again vote in last week’s presidential election than John McCain four years ago, despite Romney’s Mormon faith and his performance with many of these voters in the ’08 and ’12 GOP primaries. But there was a drop in evangelical voters in the key swing states of Virginia, Wisconsin, and North Carolina. And in Ohio, although evangelicals increased as a share of the electorate by a point, Romney won a smaller share of them than McCain did in ‘08. In Virginia, in particular, the state appears to be becoming less evangelical. Even though Romney won the group by a wider share than McCain, evangelicals dropped by 5 points.  Meanwhile, in Iowa and Colorado, turnout among evangelicals was up significantly -- 7 points in Iowa, 4 points in Colorado. And Romney held the margin from 2008 with the group. But it was not enough to offset Obama’s 22-point edge with non-evangelical voters in Iowa and Obama’s 42 (!!!)-point advantage with Hispanics in Colorado.

White-evangelical vote
Overall: 26%, 78-21 Romney; 2008: 26%, 74-24 McCain

States:
CO: 25%, 76-22 Romney; 2008: 21%, 76-23 McCain 
FL: 24%, 79-21 Romney; 2008: 24%, 77-21 McCain
IA: 38%, 64-35 Romney; 2008: 31%, 65-33 McCain
NV: 18%, 69-28 Romney; 2008: 16%, 72-27 McCain
NC: 35%, 79-20 Romney; 2008: 44%, 74-25 McCain
OH: 31%, 69-30 Romney; 2008: 30%, 71-27 McCain
VA: 23%, 83-17 Romney; 2008: 28%, 79-20 McCain
WI: 24%, 71-27 Romney; 2008: 26%, 64-35 McCain

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New Code Words:

After hearing ol' "Poopy Head" Romney's analysis of why he lost, it is clear that we will never see him again on the political scene. He will be the missing person that nobody misses.

So conservatives are struggling to figure out why they lost without looking in the right places. Some believe that they should create a bigger tent to make room for Latinos, African Americans, women and the youth. That is true, but how can you invite minorities into your tent if you have been disrespectful and inherently don't really like or trust them? How can you invite women and the youth as they are a threat to take the control away from the old gray-haired guys?

As for women, well they are not giving up on attempting to control their economic and reproductive rights. Just look at what the Ohio Republicans were doing this past week: defunding Planned Parenthood.

Now the one thing I am absolutely certain about is the conservatives will not abandon their principles. Their problem is that these tenets are not accepted by the majority of Americans. It is virtually impossible to govern by following do nothing—obstructing progress principles when there is so much that needs to be accomplished in the 21st century.

So if conservatives cannot abandon core beliefs, what will they do? The answer is pretty simple: repackage those old beliefs using newer and vaguer code words. Throw out code words like "lazy", "47% of voters are dependent on government", "self-deportation" and "minorities want their 'stuff'".

I don't know what the new code words will be, but all Democrats have to do is listen, identify the new code words, and expose them when for what they are. You see, the bottom line is conservatives, by their very nature, are comfortable with the past and fearful of the future. They will do whatever they can to keep things the way they used to be. Conservatives have no intention of changing and that is a losing strategy.

  • 126 votes
#1 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:57 AM EST

The leaders of the Republican party are getting uglier by the minute.

Not only were they willing to elect Mitt Romney, a man who denigrates "47%" of our nation, they spent secret $millions co-creating whoppers and hiding his record.

Their latest con involves McCain-Graham blaming the President, Secretary Clinton and the Democratic party, for an attack on the United States in Benghazi. Think it will deflect from their party's election losses? The majority of our country re-elected President Obama, a conscientious and honest man.

We get it that Graham and McCain are weak. We get it that they're trying to make beef sausages out of Benghazi, ever-hopeful of damaging the President.

And when they attack Susan Rice - a U.N. Ambassador with no connection to Benghazi - they conveniently forget that former Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice told the world that Saddam had WMDs. Have they forgotten how those fictitious WMDs were the excuse to start a nearly nine-year war with Iraq? Barack Obama opposed the Iraq war from the beginning. And as President, he brought that war to a close.

After four years of Republican obstruction, America doesn't want another trumped up faux GOP witch hunt that distracts from the real work at hand. Let's move forward, starting with the GOP House vote on extending the middle class tax cut. Do you think they're capable of such a simple act on our behalf?

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#1.1 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:00 AM EST

(Or as former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour puts it, the GOP is in need of “a very serious proctology exam.”)

A full blown colonoscopy would be more appropriate for the party who continues to keep their heads planted snugly up their collective asses!

They refuse to admit they haven't learned a thing....

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#1.2 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:02 AM EST

Good morning, Ron! Great points, we need to pay attention and listen for the next version of dog whistles. After decades of right-wing media feeding the conservatives fear and victimization, the GOP will have a hard time convincing their base, they really didn't mean it.

Backhouse, I've come to the conclusion that the Bobsy Twins, McCain and Graham, have lost all sense of reality having slipped into the vindictive world of revenge. I've noticed other republican senators are standing further and further away from them and, with few exceptions, are not joining their parade.

  • 77 votes
#1.3 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:03 AM EST
Comment author avatarJoe in AlbanyExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

The Reality: Demographic changes in America seem to make the incurable mental illness of lefty liberalism the wave of America's future.

My Reaction: I will still keep to my core conservative principles in my personal life. I will still be financially responsible for myself and for my personal financial decisions. The BIG change is that I will now begin to embrace lefty liberal principles in my positions on the role of govt in America. I used to worry about the federal deficit and the growing debt. Now, in my new-found lefty liberalism role, I say "Who cares??, not me." Let's run up the Chinese credit card as much as we can NOW. And when the bills come due, let the "changing demographics" that vote for Dems figure out how to pay for it.

I have recently discovered (11/06/12) it's much more fun to be a free-spending lefty liberal than to be a financially responsible citizen of this country. Free govt everything for me, and let the "rich" pay for it with a 100% tax rate!!!

Let the good times roll!!!!

BTW, now that I have begun suffering from the mental illness of lefty liberalism, I realize more than ever that it is an incurable disease that only gets worse over time. Thus, the term "progressive". I am now sadly a "progressive". My only hope is that Barry's ClunkerCare will cover any drug big Pharma discovers as a cure.

LOL!!!

  • 16 votes
#1.4 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:04 AM EST

In the last 6 Presidential elections Republicans have won the popular vote only 1 time.

  • 77 votes
#1.5 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:13 AM EST

I'm not sure the GOP has what it takes to rebuild. We are witnessing a grand spectacle in American politics, the self-immolation of a party that seems hell bent on its own destruction.

Instead of stepping back and examining their failures and weaknesses, Republicans are racing full speed ahead like lemmings to the sea.

Instead of making plans for the future of America and deciding to finally work in a bi-partisan way, they're pushing for secession, impeachment, and Benghazi Gate.

Such self-destructive behavior has consequences. What I'm wondering is, should we continue to reason with them? Or should we just let them burn?

I'd rather spend my time doing something constructive to support the President than waste it on placating the hopeless inmates in the asylum.

What say you, fellow progressives?

  • 79 votes
#1.6 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:15 AM EST

Good morning all!

INSTEAD OF ATTENDING A HIGH-LEVEL BRIEFING WITH TESTIMONY CONCERNING BENGHAZI directly from State Department, Joint chiefs, CIA, National Counterterrorism Center, and Pentagon - John McCain complained about lack of information - in his own televized Press Conference,

The high security, closed-door briefing was held in the same building, at the same time as McCain's Press Conference.

McCain is certainly politicizing a tragedy for his own ends. After missing the critical information briefing, he doubled down on his faulty reasoning.

  • 84 votes
#1.7 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:15 AM EST

As usual, the media over-thought and over-analyzed the election in an attempt to boost ratings with a 'tight race.'

The wonderful American Voter did not do what the pundits told them to do, instead, they came to the inevitable conclusion that Mr. Obama had performed well despite McConnell's obstructionism and that Mr. Romney did not have the credentials to take over - even though he really, really wanted to. Romney's campaign proved that he is not as good a problem solver as he thinks. I don't think they believe to this day that they actually lost. Imagine if they had been given a chance at running the country - fueled by that naivete

I am most proud of the determination voters demonstrated against blatant suppression and the fact that my vote cancelled out Sheldon Adelson's vote.

  • 80 votes
#1.8 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:16 AM EST

I don't know how Republicans are going to change when they have doubled down on "we need to be even more conservative". They are not looking at any kind of compromise in positions. They are thinking about how to "articulate" their points more carefully on abortion etc. but that isn't the problem.

The problem is that Republican positions are not America's positions.

  • 71 votes
#1.9 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:16 AM EST

Good morning everyone. I see the Party of Chameleons is trying to change colors before our eyes.

That's funny. They can change the packaging but what's in it is still the same.

  • 51 votes
#1.10 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:17 AM EST

I have an idea. Why not talk about the real reasons Mitt lost.

Take for instance the ad during the Ted Kennedy/Romney campaign in which real workers talked about Bain coming into their neighborhoods and decimating their futures in exchange for Bain's future.

Or perhaps we can talk about Mitt's pledge to Norquist. Or when Mitt went on his overseas trip and made an a$$ of himself. Then there's the 47% video. There is his wife calling us "you people". There's Mitt making fun of a cookie bakery in PA. There's Mitt making fun of jackets NASCAR fans were wearing. There's his $10,000 bet with Perry.

Mitt spoke about President Obama throwing Israel under the bus. He exploited the Benghazi tragedy to the point where President Obama humiliated him in front of millions upon millions of Americans who were watching.

There's the Mitt who pretended he had nothing to do with Obamacare, even though he wrote an article justifying Obamacare and how to make it work. There's Mitt who bragged about his work during the Olympics, never mentioning that the only reason it worked was because of a government bail out.

There's the Mitt who was for the Vietnam War, yet never served. What kind of person would march FOR A DRAFT and not serve? The same man who was for the Iraq War, yet none of his sons served.

And of course there's the "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" headline. And his refusal to release his taxes and finally - his money that he hides all over the world.

He degraded women. He degraded immigrants.

Hurricane Sandy had nothing to do with the president's re-election victory. This talk about him looking "presidential" during the hurricane is pure BS.

Ask bin Laden. Ask the troops the president took out of Iraq and will take out of Afghanistan.

Look at the polls. President Obama was leading BEFORE Hurricane Sandy. As a matter of fact President Obama kept moving up in the polls after his 2nd debate. Because not only did he look presidential, not only did he sound presidential, but he exposed Mitt for what he was.

A blank slate.

That's why President Obama WON. Together with the fact that President Obama is well liked.

Mitt never was.

  • 87 votes
#1.11 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:18 AM EST

It seems a bit silly to pick a special day for giving thanks, when you live in this country. Not a day passes in our household that we can't find a hundred different reasons for which to give thanks.

We don't need food stamps. Our table is full. We have vehicles in fine condition that carry us to our workplace, to stores, to gatherings of family and friends. We are insured against illness and damage to our belongings. We want for nothing. Such are the manifold blessings that accrue to the majority of American families by virtue of nothing more than an accident of birth.

Surely, we can be thankful that we had help finding our way to prosperity. Surely a gift of thanks is in order. Surely we can spare enough to help those who are ill, who want for food, who do not have shelter.

More than that, we have gifts that are unique. My wife is a very special gift and no amount of thanks will ever convey how grateful I am for that blessing. Even in my dotage, I am still able to move about. I can still play in the dirt and grow wonderful things. We have enough to not only pay our taxes without complaint, (OK, maybe a teensy-weensy bit of complaining) but we have enough to share with others to help in specific areas that are near and dear to us.

But today, I am feeling especially thankful for my kindred spirits who come to First Thoughts. It is not possible to come up with a complete list. I would certainly omit some of you either by forgetfulness or by oversight.

I sincerely hope I can convey my feelings with a simple but very heartfelt, "Thank You."

  • 62 votes
#1.12 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:19 AM EST

After hearing ol' "Poopy Head" Romney's analysis of why he lost, it is clear that we will never see him again on the political scene. He will be the missing person that nobody misses.

Right on, Ron!

Listen! Can you hear that sweet sound? It's the SILENCE left by the departure of one Willard Romney from the American political stage.

It's music to my ears! :)

...still celebrating here...

  • 51 votes
#1.13 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:20 AM EST

If Albany's post wasn't so sad, it would be funny. It was the republicans who ran up the Chinese credit card for the last 30 years. Reagan turned this country from a creditor nation into a debtor nation in his either years--nice legacy. The national debt was increased: Reagan,189%; Bush 41, 55%; Clinton, 39%; Bush 43, 89%. It was those "fiscal conservatives" who took a budget surplus left them by Clinton and turned it into a trillion dollar deficit in less than one year. It was those "fiscally responsible" GOPers who cut taxes, started two unfunded wars, and did not pay for a single piece of legislation they passed during Bush 43's eight years of budgetary nightmare. It was 20 years of GOP fiscal irresponsibility that led to the total economic collapse in 2008. No wonder liberals comment that conservatives like Albany live in an alternate reality universe--they do not even bother to look at the facts because the facts are counter to their beliefs.

  • 71 votes
#1.14 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:20 AM EST

Being fiscally responsible for yourself is not the same thing as a government being fiscally responsible. Managing your check book properly IS NOT THE SAME THING AS A GOVERNMENT being able to balance its spending. Its a false analogy, one which most legit economists have explained as false. If you don't have anything intelligent to discuss don't post. Sarcasm, poor sportsmanship, and sore losers didn't win the election.

If you really want to inspire people to your way of thinking, lead by example--not by accusing everyone who disagrees with you of having a mental illness. Thats become the inherent problem with "conservatives"--the louder and more angrily you all shout, the more valid you think you are. You aren't. It just makes you very loud and very angry people. Articulate a point, without sounding like your insulting, excluding, or mocking the rest of us, and you might be surprised what happens.

Remember something--no matter how loud, rich, or angry one voice is, its still just one voice.

  • 56 votes
#1.15 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:21 AM EST
Comment author avatarMaxx the MoocherExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

I think it is time to rebuild the republican party...

Maxx the Moocher has seen the light... when 62% of the people say the country is going in the wrong direction but re hire the guy who's driving... I say woohoo I need to change my thinking and now I want to get as much as you suckers... taxpayers will give me!!

I say we call it the"Moocher" party and the platform can be "give everybody everything" or should it be "give gifts to everyone"... either one works for the Maxx the Moocher!!!

I want more... gimme gimme gimme

  • 10 votes
#1.16 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:23 AM EST

Dear Mr, President.

Time to put the pedal to the medal and get these Rebugs moving forward on tax reform, debt reduction, immigration reform, etc.. etc. You've got the mandate from us and you know what we need done and what direction we should be headed. Stay firm. We know your goals are the same as ours, that's why we voted for you. And, don't worry about the "fiscal cliff", you and we know it's just Republican fear hype. Not to worry. Fix our Country Mr. President. We're counting on you.

  • 54 votes
#1.17 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:23 AM EST

It's funny that if you support the views of those in your base, and your considerate of the view of people not in your base, you win an election.

Republicans did neither. The elected Romney as "the most conservative" candidate ever, only to have him tack to the middle to even have a chance at winning. In the process, the Republicans party showed no consideration to the views of women, Blacks, or Latinos and lost the election.

  • 43 votes
#1.18 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:26 AM EST

In other words, what Rice said is, almost to the syllable, exactly what the combined judgment of the intelligence community believed as of the time of her interview. She wasn't lying; she wasn't incompetent; and she wasn't covering anything up.

Yes, the CIA assessment later changed as more information became available, but that only bolsters what Rice said at the time -- that the search for answers was ongoing.

McCain's smear campaign simply isn't based on facts. The senator owes Rice an apology.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/11/16/15216929-spontaneously-inspired?lite

______________________

Susan Rice got her information from the CIA. McCain is lying. Again.

  • 58 votes
#1.19 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:26 AM EST

It's funny that if you support the views of those in your base, and your considerate of the view of people not in your base, you win an election.

Republicans did neither. The elected Romney as "the most conservative" candidate ever, only to have him tack to the middle to even have a chance at winning. In the process, the Republicans party showed no consideration to the views of women, Blacks, or Latinos and lost the election.

  • 16 votes
#1.20 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:26 AM EST

Ron---you are right. The GOP won't take the lessons of the election to heart--they will just go back to the drawing board and thesaurus and come up with new code words. They also don't seem to realize that we're on to them.

David---what a great post. We try to be thankful every day and I agree with you---I am very thankful for the folks who post here at First Thoughts--they have become friends and I enjoy the exchange of ideas and glimpses into everyone's personal lives. That is a lot to be thankful for in addition to other blessings.

  • 36 votes
#1.21 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:26 AM EST

Kaybeetoys:

I sure do enjoy the sound of silence. Thanks for the shout-out.

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#1.22 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:27 AM EST

David Walker-

But today, I am feeling especially thankful for my kindred spirits who come to First Thoughts.

Thank you, David.

Salud

  • 35 votes
#1.23 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:27 AM EST

Good morning Backhouse

Funny isn't it; Condi did the same exact thing Susan Rice did? Yet McGezzer has short term memory

Bush Knew that al Qaeda was to strike Condi Rice Did too; But She Lied.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=HyWsyqLDYjE&feature=fvwp

In a New York Times op-ed, reporter Kurt Eichenwald writes of the presidential briefings that came before the well-known August 6 warning "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.," concluding that "the administration's reaction to what Mr. Bush was told in the weeks before that infamous briefing reflected significantly more negligence than has been disclosed." That included a warning from the CIA on May 1 that "a group presently in the United States" was planning to strike and one on June 22 that an attack could be "imminent."

As the 9/11 Commission noted, "There were more than 40 intelligence articles in the PDBS [Presidential Daily Briefings] from January 21 to September 11 that related to Bin Laden." In a section of the report called "The Drumbeat Begins," the Commission highlights a late June briefing that alerts to the "high probability of near-term 'spectacular' terrorist attacks resulting in numerous casualties … including a 'severe blow' against U.S. and Israeli 'interests' during the next two weeks." But whereas the Commission report describes the threat of attacks worldwide, Eichenwald's exclusive intel specifically cites a domestic threat, one with "dramatic consequences."

However, as Eichenwald writes, the administration was much more concerned with Iraq:

On July 10, 2001, CIA director George Tenet and Richard Blee warned Condi attacks were coming in the next few weeks. Later they said that if she had acted on those warnings, 9/11 might have been prevented. Cofer Black said "The only thing we didn't do was pull the trigger to the gun we were holding to her head."

There were also warnings from 13 foreign countries, and 3 FBI offices. The UK, Germany, Italy, and Egypt specifically warned of aircraft as weapons. Russia warned of suicide pilots. Jordan and the Cayman Islands warned of attacks involving airlines. France, the UAE, Taliban, India, Morocco, and Argentina also warned. Israel warned of 19 terrorists inside the USA planning something big, and even named at least 4 of the alleged hijackers.

  • 35 votes
#1.24 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:27 AM EST

Steeler Fan: I sure do like your avatar. Go Hillary.

  • 28 votes
#1.25 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:29 AM EST

The republicans could try to do like Wrongme in the last few weeks before the election - embrace Health Care Reform, contraceptives, tone down the war talk - in short, they could just switch parties.

  • 31 votes
#1.26 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:29 AM EST

What a totally useless waste of "supposed journalism" ! David Petraeus is about to testify on what happened in Behghazi and what he knew .... so this website puts out an irrelevant article whose very foundation is speculation about the Republican Party ! If the popular vote was 40% to 60% against Republicans, then it might make sense. The results were a few percentage points nationwide, so you better hold off on calling the coroner !

Besides, the President elected in 2008 left a total financial mess for the guy elected in 2012 ! Obama will now try to find a way to keep spending trillions more that we don't have just to satisfy and prop up his union lackeys ! Trumka appears to be in charge !!

Expect the National Debt to exceed $21.6 trillion by the time Obama leaves office ! Obama has had NO BUDGETS, NO PLAN and NO CLUE about increasing employment since he moved into the Oval Office.

  • 8 votes
#1.27 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:29 AM EST

BTW, now that I have begun suffering from the mental illness of lefty liberalism, I realize more than ever that it is an incurable disease that only gets worse over time. Thus, the term "progressive". I am now sadly a "progressive". My only hope is that Barry's ClunkerCare will cover any drug big Pharma discovers as a cure.

Joe...you do have a mental problem, and it's not 'lefty liberalism'. The cure for self-destructive thinking is taking a good, long look in the mirror.

However, I do give you credit for part of your awakening to reality:

The Reality: Demographic changes in America seem to make the incurable mental illness of lefty liberalism MINORITIES, AND NOT OLD WHITE MEN, the wave of America's future.

The writing is on the wall, Joe. The question is, can you read it?

  • 36 votes
#1.28 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:30 AM EST

In an interview with Rachel Maddow, Nancy Pelosi had a good point about the success of Democrats with a more diverse demographic.

She said we don't just ask for their vote, we give them a seat at the table.

"We dont just want people of color, women, LGBT to vote for us we want them to represent us"

- Nancy Pelosi

That is just one of the difference between the two parties.

  • 51 votes
#1.29 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:31 AM EST

Articulate a point, without sounding like your insulting, excluding, or mocking the rest of us, and you might be surprised what happens.

______________________________________

Actually, I couldn't care less about what lefty liberals think about me and my personal principles. And the last thing I'm looking for on FR is "converts". FR and the prime time Stooges on MSDNC are just comedic entertainment to me. I'm here for the LAFFS.

Life is good. Enjoy.

  • 8 votes
#1.30 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:34 AM EST

Terrific posts today, liberal friends. Pat, Boston--excellent points, well said. David Walker, cheers for that one, and thank you, too.

  • 30 votes
#1.31 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:34 AM EST

Romney promised all kinds of free stuff to the top 2%. However he lost, and I'm one of the almost 52% that voted for President Obama and I want to know where my free stuff is?

These are just the easy to remember ones and So far we have received:

My 401 K has gained back the losses of 2008

Higher rate of Job growth than both terms Bush was in office and his father as well - check

Prevented the collapse of the us auto industry - check

Repealed Don't ask Don't Tell - check

Prevented the collapse of the economy - check

Troops home from Iraq - check

Osama Bin Laden killed - check

Health Care Reform - check

Protect Women's health care- check

Fair pay for Women - check

32 straight months of private sector job growth

GDP growth in 2008: negative 6%

GDP growth last year 2.9%

Dow Jones Average in January 2008: Under 8000

Dow Jones Average today: 12,500+

Record domestic oil production

GM – all time record profits

Near record corporate profits across the board

  • 53 votes
#1.32 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:34 AM EST

Terrific posts today, liberal friends. Pat, Boston--excellent points, well said. David Walker, cheers for that one, and thank you, too.

Edit thought: apologies for the double post. A day without FR gremlins would be a fine, sun-shiny day!

  • 21 votes
#1.33 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:35 AM EST

Condi Rice went shopping for shoes after 9-11.. Even Almeda Marcus didn't need that many shoes.

Bush keep reading My Pet Goat; President Obama took car of the people in Hurricane Sandy.

  • 25 votes
#1.34 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:37 AM EST

... reflected significantly more negligence than has been disclosed."

Beverly, and so now they are going to try to pin this "negligence" word on Susan Rice/The Obama Administration. They don't know what they're talking about, they have never known what they're talking about and all I can say is thank goodness they were voted out again this election.

David, those are my thanks this year. Thank goodness America isn't as stupid as the media and the GOP believe we are. Thank goodness they voted for a fairer playing field.

Meanwhile, the rich will just keep giving their money to Karl Rove and he'll gladly take it. With nothing to show for all that money. That's how stupid they are.

  • 38 votes
#1.35 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:39 AM EST

@David Walker:

I second that emotion. There are some fine people here. Your wise, heartfelt perspectives are proof positive that America has a bright future ahead.

I'm grateful for that, more than you can ever know.

  • 28 votes
#1.36 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:40 AM EST

Compare President Obama in Staten Island to GW Bush in Katrina while FOX NOISE stirs whirlwinds over Bengazi-Gate

Compare and contrast those photographs of President Obama in Staten Island to GW Bush eating cake and playing a guitar as the people of Hurricane Katrina suffered. You’ll see why we elected a compassionate and competent president in a landslide.

President Obama

President Barack Obama talks with residents in a FEMA Disaster Recovery Center tent in Staten Island, N.Y., Nov. 15, 2012. New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Shaun Donovan talk in the foreground. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery_img_full/image/image_file/p111512ps-0612.jpg

President Barack Obama meets privately with Damien and Glenda Moore at a FEMA Disaster Recovery Center tent in Staten Island, N.Y., Nov. 15, 2012. The Moore’s two small children, Brandon and Connor, died after being swept away during Hurricane Sandy. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery_img_full/image/image_file/p111512ps-0742.jpg

President Barack Obama talks with residents on Cedar Grove Avenue during a walking tour of Hurricane Sandy storm damage in Staten Island, N.Y., Nov. 15, 2012. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery_img_full/image/image_file/p111512ps-0950.jpg

President Barack Obama talks with residents on Cedar Grove Avenue during a walking tour of Hurricane Sandy storm damage in Staten Island, N.Y., Nov. 15, 2012. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery_img_full/image/image_file/p111512ps-1017.jpg

President Barack Obama talks with residents during a walking tour of Hurricane Sandy storm damage in Staten Island, N.Y., Nov. 15, 2012. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery_img_full/image/image_file/p111512ps-1145.jpg

President Barack Obama talks with residents on Cedar Grove Avenue during a walking tour of Hurricane Sandy storm damage in Staten Island, N.Y., Nov. 15, 2012. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery_img_full/image/image_file/p111512ps-1052.jpg


GW Bush

http://hisvorpal.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/bush-mccain-katrina.jpg?w=500&h=200

http://www.apfn.org/images/katrina_splash.jpg

This is why we elected a president with compassion, competence and leadership


>>FORWARD

  • 28 votes
#1.37 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:41 AM EST

Job said,

"Fair pay for Women - check"

Might want to uncheck that one... pretty sure that the white house staff females don't make as much as the males... pretty sure there was an article about it too!!

But hey it's only money and there's plenty to go around... woohoo let's give everybody equal pay!!

I want more... gimme gimme gimme

  • 9 votes
#1.38 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:42 AM EST

Slob the knob there Jody...

  • 6 votes
#1.39 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:42 AM EST

With Thanksgiving less than a week away, I would like to say what I am thankful for this year.

I am thankful for all the people who voted for Barack Obama for a second term. Thank you to all those who stood in line for hours to vote.

I'm very grateful, that with the re-election of our President, we had an incredibly lucky miss from having to live under a Presidency featuring the Romney clan

I am thankful to all the friends I've made here over the past four years, I've learned much from each and everyone of you.

I am grateful to all those who have posted here that I didn't agree with, as you have lit a fire in my being to be an activist for all those who don' t have a voice.

I am thankful for my family and friends who have supported me in what I do to help make a level playing field for all.

I hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving, if traveling, safe travels, and just think how many interesting conversations will occur around the holiday table.

Blessings to all.

  • 41 votes
#1.40 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:44 AM EST

jim -

Obama has had NO BUDGETS, NO PLAN and NO CLUE about increasing employment since he moved into the Oval Office.

Why do you bother to post here? You repeat the same tired, old talking points that have been refuted countless times.

I posted links yesterday showing how President Obama has submitted a budget proposal every year as required by law. His plans were outlined in several state of the union addresses, on his stump speeches, on his website, and even in a handy pamphlet. Employment has increased every month for the last two years, and unemployemnt is at or near it's lowest point since Pres. Obama was elected.

I understand that you do not support either President Obama's budgets or his plans, but to ignore their existence just makes you appear unreasonable and uneducated.

  • 39 votes
#1.41 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:45 AM EST

I agree Joe Whole heartedly. Ive consolidated all my assets and protected myself as best I can. I now fully believe (from a leghorn foghorn point of view) that we now let them spend spend spend and put the owness on the left to prove their way works, the proof will be the approach to the 2014 mid terms, but we will have an indicator if UE now goes up monthly and the Food Stamps rolls continue to increase. However Im not concerned about that. The other thing Im looking at is that since Im so close to retirement, that when I get to with in 99 weeks I will ask my director to lay me off so I can collect UE and food stamps until I can officially retire. I want to see the other side for myself! I mean hey I can make $30 an hour under the table configuring networks for people in Florida.

  • 6 votes
#1.42 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:45 AM EST

--they do not even bother to look at the facts because the facts are counter to their beliefs.

yep

  • 15 votes
#1.43 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:53 AM EST

Might want to uncheck that one... pretty sure that the white house staff females don't make as much as the males... pretty sure there was an article about it too!!

In America "pretty sure" isn't good enough. Cite a reputable source, post a link to a reputable source, or STFU.

  • 30 votes
#1.44 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:53 AM EST

Beautiful post today David. Thank you to you as well.

  • 18 votes
#1.45 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:57 AM EST

kaybeetoys said,

"In America "pretty sure" isn't good enough. Cite a reputable source, post a link to a reputable source, or STFU."

Here ya go... I know it's from Fox news...

But despite all the rhetoric, federal records show that women who work in the Obama White House generally earn less than men -- about 18 percent less.

Read more: #ixzz2COkoeEDz

Equity: The president touts equal pay for equal work but hasn't practiced what he preaches with the women he has employed — including a well-known staffer who complained of a hostile work environment.

Read More At IBD: #ixzz2COmjuEXm

Now that's no way to talk to Maxx the Moocher, he just wants the record straight and wants women to have equal pay!!

I want more... gimme gimme gimme

  • 8 votes
#1.46 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:07 AM EST

Oh, TNSEVOL.... how "cute" of you to go back to the same "tired" old distortion you tried yesterday .... back to talking about Obama's budget "PROPOSALS". You are not stupid enough to believe that a "PROPOSAL" and an actual approved, signed BUDGET are the same thing .... but you cleverly try to imply a false correspondence .... apparently convinced the other libbie posters on this site ARE stupid enough to equate the two.

NONE of Obama's budget PROPOSALS have ever received the first vote .... EVEN FROM WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY !!! It's pretty sad, when no one from your own party thinks your budget PROPOSAL is worth a damn !!!

Every President before Obama has had budgets PASSED ! Why is Obama incapable of getting it done ???

  • 6 votes
#1.47 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:08 AM EST

kudos david .. thank you .... God bless America !

  • 14 votes
#1.48 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:09 AM EST

There is a very simple solution to the issue of 47% of the population receiving federal government assistance. It is simply not sustainable that 53% of the population can carry the load, nor can the top 2%. What will happen is that the lenders who are carrying 40% of the current cost stop lending, or the compound interest on the borrowed money eats up a majority of the budget.

You can't beat math.

BTW This is not a criticism of the 47%, simply a reflection of reality.

  • 9 votes
#1.49 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:09 AM EST

jim,

Was it ever explained why Obama changed from 1% to 2%?

  • 5 votes
#1.50 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:10 AM EST

Ron Indiana

New Code Words:

Poopy

So conservatives are struggling to figure out why they lost without looking in the right places. Some believe that they should create a bigger tent to make room for Latinos, African Americans, women and the youth. That is true, but how can you invite minorities into your tent if you have been disrespectful and inherently don't really like or trust them?

Hi Ron

Might I add, it is not just Poopy Head. It's succeed, there are that many Blacks in urban areas, revolution and impeachment Let me translate it; it means Civil war There are militia groups who are still living in the 1850s now being fueled by Republican leaders and Donald Chump, the man with the Foxtail on his head.

The RepubliCons will never, ever embrace minorities; case in point, Micheal Steele. he was their shinning lawn jockey; then they put him in the garage.

If you trace America history in the 1850's you'll see a pattern forming here; Dread Scot Missouri Compromise all led to a civil war.


BTW: Should they choose to secede where will they go? 9/10s of the world is of color.


  • 15 votes
#1.51 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:11 AM EST

After reading these disgusting, truthful articles below, they sure need to do something about that pathetic party.

For people who really want to know what happened, read the articles below, now mind you, don't necessarily worry about the organization reporting it, pay attention to the words, as they say, coming from "the horses mouth," who haven't denied any of them.

Mitt Romney's Sneering Farewell To The '47 Percent'
November 15th, 2012 3:07 pm

http://www.nationalmemo.com/mitt-romneys-sneering-farewell-to-the-47-percent/

Trying to explain away his decisive, sweeping, and very expensive rout to his disappointed supporters—those one-percent Republicans—Mitt Romney offered a new version of the discredited "47 percent" argument that was so ruinous in its original form. In a Wednesday afternoon conference call, the defeated Republican nominee told donors and fundraisers that President Obama had won by lavishing generous "gifts" upon certain groups, including young voters, African-Americans, and Latinos.

"With regards to the young people, for instance, a forgiveness of college loan interest was a big gift," said Romney, after apologizing for losing what he called a "very close" election that he lost by more than 100 electoral votes and no less than three percent of the popular vote (as indicated in "The Ass-Whuppin' Cometh" by James Carville and Stan Greenberg).

"Free contraceptives were very big with young, college-aged women. And then, finally, Obamacare also made a difference for them, because as you know, anybody now 26 years of age and younger was now going to be part of their parents' plan, and that was a big gift to young people. They turned out in large numbers, a larger share in this election even than in 2008… Likewise with Hispanic voters, free health care was a big plus. But in addition with regards to Hispanic voters, the amnesty for children of illegals, the so-called Dream Act kids, was a huge plus for that voting group."

Now, before dispensing with Romney for good — as most Americans (including many Republicans) are understandably eager to do — it is worth noting that these churlish excuses to his donors represent the ultimate falsification, not only of his campaign, but of his own character.

'Kiss My Ass': Fear And Loathing In The Romney Campaign

http://www.nationalmemo.com/kiss-my-ass-fear-and-loathing-in-the-romney-campaign/

On the trip's final leg, the world saw the most unattractive side of the Romney campaign when the traveling press secretary loudly told reporters to "kiss my ass" and "shove it" in a display of the attitude that trickles down from the top.

For most of the campaign so far, Romney has pursued a media strategy that has become increasingly typical of Republican presidential candidates: Speak with Fox News and avoid the rest of the national press corps. That is because Fox journalists (an oxymoron?) are far less likely to ask questions that the candidate doesn't wish to answer

WATCH: Maine GOP Chairman Upset After 'Dozens' Of African-Americans Vote

http://www.nationalmemo.com/watch-maine-gop-chairman-upset-after-dozens-of-african-americans-vote/

According to Charlie Webster, the chairman of Maine's Republican Party, a group of unknown black people committed voter fraud in the Pine Tree State on Election Day.

"In some parts of rural Maine, there were dozens, dozens of black people who came in and voted on Election Day," Webster told a local NBC affiliate on Wednesday. How does Webster know that they weren't registered voters performing their civic duty?

"Everybody has a right to vote, but nobody in town knows anyone who's black," Webster explained.

"I regret saying the word black because it wasn't like I was singling out black," Webster told Ryan J. Reilly. "The reason I said it, 'cause I don't know where you live, but where I come from in rural Maine, it's a small percentage of the population. I think we're the whitest state in the country. So if you go to the polls and see people who are black, it's unusual."

"There's nothing about me that would be discriminatory. I know black people. I play basketball every Sunday with a black guy. He's a great friend of mine."

Man, this stuff is so pathetically hypocritical, you wouldn't believe it if you didn't read it, or hear it with your own ears. I like the last one, the old, "I play basketball with a black guy," like that's all black guys do. LOL!!! Yep, I'm a black guy, 64 years old, and in all my life, if I attempted to play basketball 6 times, that was extremely embarrassing, so I stopped. LOL!!

  • 26 votes
#1.52 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:18 AM EST

But despite all the rhetoric, federal records show that women who work in the Obama White House generally earn less than men -- about 18 percent less.

Your 'link' doesn't work Mooch. So again, STFU.

  • 17 votes
#1.53 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:19 AM EST

thetotas, My understanding is that Obama met FIRST with Donald Trumka after the elections... before anyone else. Thus far, the lamestream media has not dared to ask Obama about the flip-flop in his rhetoric.

  • 2 votes
#1.54 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:19 AM EST

jim-1455434 #1.54 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:19 AM CST

jim....with bull@!$%# remarks like that, links are important!! I can't think of any reason what-so-ever President Obama would meet with that idiot.

  • 19 votes
#1.55 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:21 AM EST
Comment author avatarMaxx the MoocherExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

kaybeetoys said,

"In America "pretty sure" isn't good enough. Cite a reputable source, post a link to a reputable source, or STFU."

It very hard for me to lower mysef to your level but I'll try...

That's pretty deep thinking from someone with a shallow mind...

Did you think that up all by yourself or did mommy help you???

It's just not me... acting like a simple minded knuckle dragging bat sh-t crazy nut job I will leave up to you little one... enjoy!!

Do your own research LOSER...

I want more... gimme gimme gimme

  • 6 votes
#1.56 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:22 AM EST

jim -

You continue to rant and rave about presidential budgets being "passed", it is obvious that you don't know much about the budget process.

The President submits a budget proposal outlining his priorities, etc. and the CONGRESS introduces budget resolutions. The president doesn't even sign the 'budget resoution' it is only for Congressional use.

If you dont believe me, check out PolitiFact's review:

Our ruling

In his speech, Romney faulted Obama for failing to pass a budget. He was correct that the two times Congress voted on the president’s budget requests, both times they were voted down. But the job of passing a budget resolution is not the president’s. That responsibility falls to Congress, and even then the president doesn’t sign it. As Ellis, our expert, put it: "The president has no role in passing a budget. The president can cajole Congress about passing a budget and advocate for positions and funding levels, but in the end, Congress approves the budget resolution for their own purposes." That’s the difference between this and other claims we’ve rated which blamed Congress for inaction on the budget.

Romney’s statement contains a grain of truth, in that two of Obama’s budget requests failed to pass. But citing those votes leaves a wrong impression -- namely that the votes were anything more than political theater. Romney omitted the more critical information that passing a federal budget is the job of Congress. Given all that, we rate his statement Mostly False.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/apr/06/mitt-romney/romney-says-obama-failed-pass-budget/

Then again, I know how you Republicans hate facts and fact-checkers, so you will probably ignore this post too.

  • 25 votes
#1.57 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:25 AM EST

Rebuilding time for the GOP… But there are no easy fixes…

After my friend's house was badly damaged in a severe storm, I went over to help him inspect the damage. The insurance adjuster showed up and said it might be a total write off. My friend was stressed out and asked if the frame could could be repaired and/ or fixed.

My reply was YOU NEED TO TEAR IT ALL DOWN, AND START FRESH!

It makes no sense to work in a big mess.

  • 12 votes
#1.58 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:27 AM EST

BTW: Should they choose to secede where will they go? 9/10s of the world is of color.

Bev, I wonder if maybe somewhere in their tiny reptilian brains they can sense that.

Maybe they're afraid that, being the rare breed they are, they will become extinct?

Maybe they're afraid that when 'minorities' become the majority here, their kind won't be treated so kindly?

Maybe they have a very guilty conscience about how they've treated the downtrodden?

Well, GOPers: get over it! I'm pretty sure you'll find that a multi-racial, multi-cultural/ religious society won't ride roughshod all over you. Man up, grow a set, and face the future with a smile on your face. Watch the HUMAN race evolving.

We all believe in evolution, don't we? :)

(I'm as white as they come, BTW.)

  • 19 votes
#1.59 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:30 AM EST

Pat Boston MA.

... reflected significantly more negligence than has been disclosed."

Beverly, and so now they are going to try to pin this "negligence" word on Susan Rice/The Obama Administration. They don't know what they're talking about, they have never known what they're talking about and all I can say is thank goodness they were voted out again this election.

Pat

Not only do they not know what they are talking about, they are ignorant. I say this because Susan Rice is a dedicated public servant and a Rhodes Scholar. Yet McGeezer said Susan Rice should not be talking because Susan Rice is "not to bright" What???? He gave us Sarah Palin!!!!

McCain graduated at the bottom of class. How about that dumb Sarah Palin going to 5 colleges just for a bachelors. Still, it did her no good. Anytime an educated woman thinks she can see Russia from her porch; you know she failed miserably in the intelligence quota amongst average Americans.

Pat, if they keep this nonsense up; I'll be happy to see them all voted out in 2014. They can go by the way of the Whip Party.

  • 14 votes
#1.60 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:32 AM EST

@fuzzy, and in the case of the republicans "house," the problem begins with the foundation.

  • 12 votes
#1.61 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:33 AM EST

Then again, I know how you Republicans hate facts and fact-checkers, so you will probably ignore this post too.

Now you did it! lol

We've seen the last of JimmJimm for awhile!

I smacked him with a fact-check on executive orders last night and he couldn't get out of there fast enough!

The truth continues to remain thee best right wing repellent on the market! lol

  • 29 votes
#1.62 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:33 AM EST

It very hard for me to lower mysef to your level but I'll try...

That's pretty deep thinking from someone with a shallow mind...

Did you think that up all by yourself or did mommy help you???

It's just not me... acting like a simple minded knuckle dragging bat sh-t crazy nut job I will leave up to you little one... enjoy!!

Do your own research LOSER...

Is that the best you've got, Mooch?

I'm not easily insulted. Come on, put some teeth into it!!

  • 17 votes
#1.63 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:36 AM EST

To McCain and Gram,

Americans know when you are trying to ruin someone's reputation especially if they are black.

Words like ( unqualified, fire the person, has no business in the position, un American, no educated etc)

Yeah most African American are educated and the numbers are growing every year. So continuing to talk as if we are stupid is at your own peril. Because in the end you will be the one who irrelevant and dismissed.

  • 22 votes
#1.64 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:37 AM EST

I believe he meant Richard Trumpka but I do agree with you Moshuluu on your point about him being an idiot because he doesn't believe we should address the debt and deficit. He believes we should speed full steam ahead with another spending spree in the name of jobs. You were right on on your analysis.

  • 5 votes
#1.65 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:38 AM EST

Joining the Republican Party is like joining a "hate group".

  • 28 votes
#1.66 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:38 AM EST

The GOP has no choice but to accept the fact that tax rates WILL go up on the top 2%. They have 45 days to come up with a viable alternative (hey, how about passing the bill that the Senate already passed ?) or rates will increase across the board.

As to the future of the party, one of the real keys is to drop all of the attacks on various social issues. If the GOP claims it wants smaller government, it needs to start by getting out of peoples bedrooms and women's wombs. If they claim to support the men & women in the military, start by passing bills which help to get the jobs. If Social Security is running out of money, get rid of the cap on what is taxed.

Very simple solutions, which the GOP will never act on, being too myopic.

  • 18 votes
#1.67 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:41 AM EST

Thanks all for some great posts....Even though we may not all agree with each other....our greatest strengths are the right to disagree with each other in a CIVIL manner and to be able to say what we think without fear of retribution....

At this time of the year - remember those who throughout the years have served and given in order for us to be free to disagree....

After Pearl Harbor, after 9/11 we all came together as a nation...it is time to once again come together as a nation and work so that we ALL can succeed as a nation.

  • 13 votes
#1.68 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:42 AM EST

Bev, it's very unbecoming of a United States Senator to treat Susan Rice in such a disrespectful way.

But we all know that today's Republican Party show respect to no one. It's been going on since the Reagan days.

How tragic it would have been for America and the world if he won in 2008. Just tragic.

______________________

When the S&L scandal unfolded, Barack Obama was working as a community organizer in Chicago, and George W. Bush was busy running a series of failed oil ventures and managing his baseball team in Texas. But John McCain was already in Congress—and in the S&L mess up to his neck.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2008/09/remember-sl-bailout-john-mccain-hopes-you-dont

  • 23 votes
#1.69 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:45 AM EST

I

Solutions539

To McCain and Gram,

Americans know when you are trying to ruin someone's reputation especially if they are black.

I don't think the GOP has learned anything. Any of you flipped over to Fox lately? It's wall to wall Benghazi and nasty insinuations. They had John Bolton on and he was calling Rice "unqualified" and all sorts of other nonsense. A man who could not even be approved as UN Ambassador because he continually makes bizarre and outrageous statements. You would think the administration wanted the ambassador and his co-horts killed! It's really sickening. But this is where the vast majority of the GOP gets its news.

So apparently their plan is to once again refuse to govern and to beat another dead horse (like F& F) for at least the next two years. Two years and hundreds of hours of time resulted in the reprimand of five agents. And they consider that time well spent?

They are going to be obstinate as h-ll about this fiscal cliff issue and Obama will have to cave in the end for the good of the people, half of whom won't appreciate that fact. Watch and see!

  • 12 votes
#1.70 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:47 AM EST

Hey Joe in Albany,

Regarding :

I used to worry about the federal deficit and the growing debt.

Could you please provide a link to any post where you were worried about the national debt, and the government's actions to increase/decrease it - say in the period 2000-2007?

Anybody who really cared about the national debt voted for Gore in 2000. Because since WWII, debt reduction only occurs under Democratic administrations, never Republican. We all know that.

  • 15 votes
#1.71 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:49 AM EST

moshuluu, nicely done...and the GOP wonders why they lost, why people accuse them of being racists--their own words tell us the answer to both.

  • 17 votes
#1.72 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:56 AM EST

"Or, as the Wall Street Journal reports of a growing narrative among Republicans, was the loss simply Romney’s fault?..."

Seems to me that Romney is having trouble "accepting personal responsibility" for his own loss.

Romney, being a typical Republican, avoids taking any responsiblity and simply chooses to "blame the Democrats"!

  • 17 votes
#1.73 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:58 AM EST

Joe in Albany

BTW, now that I have begun suffering from the mental illness of lefty liberalism, I realize more than ever that it is an incurable disease that only gets worse over time. Thus, the term "progressive". I am now sadly a "progressive". My only hope is that Barry's ClunkerCare will cover any drug big Pharma discovers as a cure.

LOL!!!

Joey, You'd better hope the marijuana law is passed too just so you can keep laughing your a** off at inappropriate situations that only a drug addicted person would.


A leopard never changes just like a hyena never stops laughing.

  • 9 votes
#1.74 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:58 AM EST

TNSEVOL, Thanks for your usual cut and paste job, but I already know how the process works ! So save the drama for those who believe your irrelevant post has some validity !!

Budgets are mandated by law. Every president submits a proposal, and Presidents before until Obama have followed-through by making sure that a budget gets DONE ! It has involved politely pushing, negotiating, sometimes making unliked concessions ... but it has been DONE ! It REQUIRES LEADERSHIP !!

if you absolve Obama of his reponsibility to see to it that a budget gets passed as required by law, you are admitting he is INCAPABLE of providing the necessary leadership !!!

Please tell me how many Presidents before Obama have never had a single budget passed during their entire first term in Congress ! You can provide a simple number ... surely, as a fellow CPA you ought to be capable of coming up with one. I already know the answer, let's see if you have the ball$ to answer the question.

  • 3 votes
#1.75 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:58 AM EST

Jim #'s -- Your points are irrelevant. It's a whole new ballgame and you're arguing about games of yesteryear.

Enough already!!! Things will get done as long as the obstructionists are marginalized. Why don't you do something more productive like writing those House members who haven't did a damn thing for 2 years now?

Be a positive force for change instead of whining about the past. Rather counterproductive wouldn't you agree?

  • 15 votes
#1.76 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:09 AM EST

Jody, Iowa

If Albany's post wasn't so sad, it would be funny. It was the republicans who ran up the Chinese credit card for the last 30 years. Reagan turned this country from a creditor nation into a debtor nation in his either years--nice legacy. The national debt was increased: Reagan,189%; Bush 41, 55%; Clinton, 39%; Bush 43, 89%. It was those "fiscal conservatives" who took a budget surplus left them by Clinton and turned it into a trillion dollar deficit in less than one year.

Jody, now we know why Joey laughs inappropriately. Plus, he said he doesn't care. Only a fool would say such a thing!!!

Karl Rove spent about $390 million of other peoples money to elect absolutely no one. No wonder he suffered a meltdown on FOX when Ohio was called for President Obama.


BTW: Loved your weekly wrap up. I couldn't have said it better. Weren't those roving reports hilarious?

  • 8 votes
#1.77 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:15 AM EST

@ Dont carry anything at all,

Budgets are NEVER irrelevant when our country is over $16 trillion in debt and rapidly rising !

YOUR drivel is irrelevant, House members have passed quite a few bills that have died under the weight of Harry Reid's butt !! He is the obstructionist because he would not even allow them to be brought up for consideration !!!

Will Obama continue to ignore existing law requiring annual budgets ? Will he continue to offer the same ridiculous PROPOSALS ?? Over $.40 of every tax dollar currently goes to debt service. Where's the plan ?

  • 3 votes
#1.78 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:18 AM EST

jim #'s-- The only budget that counts is the next one. The House passed things KNOWING they would never get through the Senate. That's STUPID. If they continue down that path and they will lose their seat, deservedly.

Where's the plan? It's coming and it won't destroy the economy as many in the House would've liked.

  • 5 votes
#1.79 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:27 AM EST

Pat Boston MA.

When the S&L scandal unfolded, Barack Obama was working as a community organizer in Chicago, and George W. Bush was busy running a series of failed oil ventures and managing his baseball team in Texas. But John McCain was already in Congress—and in the S&L mess up to his neck.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2008/09/remember-sl-bailout-john-mccain-hopes-you-dont

Pat, have you read Molly Ivins' Shrub : The Short but Happy Political Life of George W. Bush?

http://www.amazon.com/Shrub-Short-Happy-Political-George/dp/0375757147

It's a short read and can be done in a night.

  • 3 votes
#1.80 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:29 AM EST

On June 17, 2010, House Committee on Energy and Commerce hearing on "The Role of BP in the Deepwater Horizon Explosion and Oil Spill, (where 11 workers were killed) Rep. Joe Barton of Texas, the top Republican on the committee, apologized to Hayward for what he described as a "shakedown" at the White House yesterday. He was referring to the deal worked out between the Obama administration and BP to set up a $20 billion fund administered by a third party to pay for damages from the catastrophic oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico

Republicans, have no respect for President Obama, nor his administration. They only work for their wealthy owners. The majority of Americans want a government of the people, by the people, for the people. Those spoken words of republicans come through loud and clear and can not be un-spoken. It will take decades for the republican party to recover. We the people are much too smart to believe the hypocrisy spewed by the radicals trying to get back in the good graces of the good people. It wont happen

  • 8 votes
#1.81 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:29 AM EST

The House passed things KNOWING they would never get through the Senate. That's STUPID. If they continue down that path and they will lose their seat, deservedly.

I thought the way worked was the House passed a budget and the Senate passed a budget and then they had a committee to come up with a joint budget. The fact that the Senate has never passed a budget has ended this process of negotiation. It is not the House's task to come up with a budget that can be rubber stamped by the Senate.

  • 3 votes
#1.82 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:36 AM EST

kaybeetoys

BTW: Should they choose to secede where will they go? 9/10s of the world is of color.

Bev, I wonder if maybe somewhere in their tiny reptilian brains they can sense that.

Maybe they're afraid that, being the rare breed they are, they will become extinct?

Maybe they're afraid that when 'minorities' become the majority here, their kind won't be treated so kindly?

Maybe they have a very guilty conscience about how they've treated the downtrodden?

Well, GOPers: get over it! I'm pretty sure you'll find that a multi-racial, multi-cultural/ religious society won't ride roughshod all over you. Man up, grow a set, and face the future with a smile on your face. Watch the HUMAN race evolving.

We all believe in evolution, don't we? :)

(I'm as white as they come, BTW.)

kaybeetoys,

I think it's all of the above. It didn't just start now either.

Let me just re-post my favorite Tea Baggers pictures. Not only is one misspelled; but the other clearly illustrates their fears!!!

http://mokellyreport.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/tea-party-racist-signs-07-white-slavery.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR0pmo1L_Yw6T-25vSSXJ59TwKFI-BSmoKlI_uxWoKO7tAPd4jw1Q

kaybeetoys,

I'm so glad we have evolved into a beautiful America rich with cultural heritage and ethnicity we all share. Well, some of us.

  • 1 vote
#1.83 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:46 AM EST

Good Morning everybody and I DO mean everybody. Isn't it a great day? Somehow the sky seems bluer, the air fresher and the future brighter. I don't know how but it seems there is optimism in the air. Breathe deeply and enjoy the sensation of a new day dawning. Ahhhh.

Next week is Thanksgiving, my favorite holiday and we have so much to be thankful for. I'm going to be on vacation all next week and won't be around much, if at all. But I want to leave you with these thoughts.

We do not want to be like Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery who it was said was "Insufferable in victory and inconsolable in defeat." If we're going to fix the country, it's economy and build a better future we're going to have to work with those on the right as well as our friends on the left. Let's keep that in mind as we enter the holiday season.

Keep the rhetoric down. Curb your instincts to gloat and call people names. We've done our victory/end zone dance long enough, now it's time to get to work.

1. We need to avoid the fiscal cliff.

2. We've got to legislate the various Citizens' United decisions into obscurity.

3. We may have to deal with a teeny, tiny, but vocal minority of crazy sore losers who want to secede from the Union. (Talk about the tail trying to wag the dog!)

And we've got to find ways to increase revenues and cut spending without harming those who are most at risk in our society. All of this is possible if we work together.

We've got to do something to silence the nattering nabobs of FOX NEWS and conservative radio, whose sole purpose in life is to stir the pot and advance a minority agenda. IT's not a free speech issue. It's a fact-based fairness issue and it must be addressed.

We must go forward in a positive, NOT NEGATIVE manner.

I leave it to you to carry the standard while I take a little break and play guitar.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE and I do mean EVERYONE!

  • 12 votes
#1.84 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:52 AM EST

Alan --

The President submits a budget. CBO scores and submits report to Congress. The House and Senate budget committees consider and submit their resolutions respectively.

Then according to Wiki:

The Budget committees each submit a budget resolution by April 1. The House and Senate each consider those budget resolutions and are expected to pass them, possibly with amendments, by April 15. Budget resolutions specify funding levels for appropriations committees and subcommittees.

Appropriations committees, starting with allocations in the budget resolution, put together appropriations bills, which may be considered in the House after May 15. Once appropriations committees pass their bills, they are considered by the House and Senate. A conference committee is typically required to resolve differences between House and Senate bills. Once a conference bill has passed both chambers of Congress, it is sent to the President, who may sign the bill or veto. If he signs, the bill becomes law. Otherwise, Congress must pass another bill to avoid a shutdown of at least part of the federal government.

In recent years, Congress has not passed all of the appropriations bills before the start of the fiscal year. Congress has then enacted continuing resolutions, that provide for the temporary funding of government operations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_budget_process

  • 3 votes
#1.85 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:01 PM EST

searching for a way to broaden the party’s appeal and message.

Good luck with that!

  • 3 votes
#1.86 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:12 PM EST

Fiesty Redhead - Good to see you on line! and Congrats for your help during the campaign! Well, the Republicans can scream and call names and point fingers all they want, but they are still going over the economic cliff - I will celebrate this New Years Eve for many good reasons this year thinking about all those fat cats crying about the millions they won't have any more. It will be a good day in America. And guess what - this is all because those Tea Party Nuts wouldn't increase the debt limit a year ago! There is poetic justice! and God is blessing America! Thank you for being good to us and please keep the Republicans as dumb as they are.

  • 3 votes
#1.88 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:41 PM EST

Lesson to be learned from Obama - Demonize your opponents at every opportunity.

All the other stuff, like compromise, focusing on the economy, being reasonable, providing results, etc. doesn't count for much.

  • 2 votes
#1.89 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:10 PM EST

So why did the Democrats win the Presidency?

There are now 47 million families that get free food and cash aid, and they think the Democrats are responsible for 'giving' them that largess. At $550 per month average, that's about $300 Billion per year in 'freebies'.

These families are typically also the ones that get about $440 Billion per year in free health care (Medicaid - that figure comes from Obama's 2013 Budget projections).

That amounts to a total of about $740 Billion per year in 'free benefits' that these 47 million families get each year, which amounts to about 70% of the $1.1 Trillion Deficit.

These people have become dependent upon the government, so they naturally will continue to vote for the Democrats. A cynic might suggest that the Democrats are 'buying votes with taxpayer funds', but of course that would be considered 'heartless towards those in need', or even 'racist'.

In addition, the Democrats keep promising 'Amnesty' for the 11 million illegal immigrants in this country, so the 12 million Hispanics that vote will naturally want to vote overwhelmingly in favor of the Democrats who promise to let their friends and relatives stay here and be eligible to work (competing with legal American workers).

Since Obama got about 62 million of the 120 million votes in this last election, but won by only about 3 million votes, this huge group that has become 'dependent' on the government will form a formidable voting block that will ensure the Democrats maintain power well into the future. So how many of the roughly 50 million families that have become dependent on the government voted for them for purely selfish reasons (Don't touch my benefits)? If only 3 million of the 50 million voted for continued 'free benefits' from the Democrats, that was enough to ensure a Democratic victory.

Ironically, even though these policies by the Democrats will drag down future economic growth and make everyone 'poorer' (witness the $5,000 (10%) drop in average family income over the last 4 years), this actually helps the Democrats win votes because it creates even more people that will become 'dependent on the government'.

All of this comes at a great cost (witness the $740 Billion per year spent on welfare and Medicaid above) and the huge cost to taxpayers of the massively growing Debt (which Obama's Budget projects to increase to almost $26 TRILLION within less than 10 years - even if he gets his 'tax increase on the wealthy'). But the 50 million families that get welfare and free medical care don't really care about that, because they know that 'someone else will have to pay for that' (those who actually pay income taxes).

And of course the Democrats will continue to 'play to their base' by claiming 'the rich don't pay their fair share', and the Republicans are 'heartless and racist'.

We are well on our way to the ruin that Greece brought upon itself.

  • 2 votes
#1.90 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:23 PM EST

I am a white professional female and I refuse to support the GOP until they publicly divorce themselves from both the neo-conservatives who are in love with the wealth of the 1% as well as military spending and nation building. They also must separate themnselves from the social conservatives that seek to take away my reproductive rights and who view rape as a gift and seek to turn America into a conservative Christian theocracy.

Eisenhower was the last decent GOP president who was both fiscally conservative as well as a civil libertarian but he is arguably to the left of Obama. He was a white, Christian, heterosexual man and a war hero, so why do they oppose his policies now?

I actually voted for Reagan in 1984 but I quickly learned my lesson and I either vote 3rd party or vote Democratic but only as the lesser of 2 evils.

  • 4 votes
#1.91 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:38 PM EST

Since the Liberals seem to think that the tax rates were 'fair' under Clinton, let's just have the Bush tax cuts expire on December 31 of this year. They will then revert to the Clinton tax rates.

The 'rich' will then have to pay 'their fair share', and there will be about $4 Trillion in new taxes and about $6 Trillion in spending cuts from the 'fiscal cliff' negotiations. Problem solved.

And the beauty is that the President and Congress get to do what they seem to do best - NOTHING. The changes are automatic.

Since I'm moving to Costa Rica (probably in January), I will enjoy seeing the results.

  • 1 vote
#1.92 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:38 PM EST

The GOP 'problem' is their so-called 'base'. Stitched together from disparate minority elements, the various bits have never been all that comfortable with each other and in pandering to the more extreme pieces they drove away the moderates who used to be the backbone of their party. A coalition of single-issue voters won't win you elections unless you stir in enough fear to make the more reasoned voter forget their own interests for a moment. And while some apoligist for the GOP will say that the Democrats have done the same, that's simply not true. Most reasoning voters have had enough of the 'us vs them' message coming out of the GOP and just want to see the country governed, not be the prize in the idealogical war the GOP seems intent on waging (and now realize they're losing).

I'll single out the evangelical christians whose old-testament intolerance and institutional ignorance is becoming tiresome and is one of the GOPs big problems. Their judgemental positions and lack of 'christian charity' is breathtaking, as is their willingness to impose those beliefs on others. And at only about 25% of the electorate, not enough to win with. Add in a poorly-veneered-over undercurrent of racism (which became obvious this election cycle with voter ID laws and other vote suppression tactics) and the message finally became crystal-clear for voters who don't subscribe to those views. The message is division, not inclusion and the majority of Americans have had enough.

The really sad part of all this is the GOP elite/media has been cynically using their base, counting on their ignorance and blind pursuit of 'social issues' not to see what is really happening and manipulating them to serve the real, corporate masters.

Rebuild? Pretty tough when the foundation is eroding away. For those in the GOP who have no sense of history, remember that the current GOP is based on the old segregationist 'Dixicrats' who were expelled/left the Democratic party when Eisenhower, then LBJ forced through equal rights in the 50s and 60s. The GOP made their deal with the devil, welcoming the Dixiecrats with open arms, and the bill is finally coming due. The 'Party of Lincoln' became what it once opposed... sad. Until the GOP removes the 'white/rich only' sign from the entrance to their 'big tent', that tent will just keep getting more empty.

  • 5 votes
#1.93 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:48 PM EST

Let's negotiate with the GOP. Here's a start: You pass the Tax increase on the wealtiest 2%. We won't throw you out of office in two years.

  • 6 votes
#1.94 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:58 PM EST

Hi everyone. I can never seem to get here soon enough in the day to be part of the discussion but I did want to leave this post as a Thank You for all that I learned about your government but most importantly about Obama and Romney. Yes I am Canadian but I do follow your presidential campaigns because whoever becomes President has a direct impact on us too. But I have to admit while reading these comments for at least the last 6 months a lot of people who were pulling for Romney had me really perplexed and worried. In the early days of the campaign I couldnt even listen to him - just something about him turned me off but when the debates came along I figured I would follow them and consider myself neutral at the beginning and see how I end up. I missed the first debate but I caught the 2nd and third debate and I was stunned by what I saw in Romney - things everyone was stating here - like his lieing and flip flopping and ineptness in even speaking. But for awhile during the end debates I would come here and see all the people defending and voting for Romney and I found that shocking. I dont like calling people stupid but truthfully that is what I thought the people voting for him were. They werent listening to him they just wanted change at any cost. And as I saw more and more posts for him I really was worried that Obama might not get in largely because your politics are a lot more complicated for me to understand. We here in Canada were against him - 65% of us anyway from a poll taken but I really feared he would lead the country and along with his sidekick Ryan would destroy your country. So I really wanted to let you all know (those pro Obama that is) that I so appreciated being educated on what was really happening and knowing I wasnt the stupid one for seeing thru Mitt Romney in about 15 minutes and I found him very scary. I didnt watch the election night results cause I have many stations here that carried it but it seemed to me that they were all so very biased against Obama (until he won that is). I didnt think news media was supposed to take sides but the coverage here surely showed they did and therefore I became more and more worried that Romney just might take it. Thankfully I was in celebration mode the next day with you guys at the results of the election. But in my eyes Romney should never have even garnered the votes that he did. It should have been a bigger landslide (not close at all) just based on the ineptness and character of Romney - but people didnt care. To hand Obama the mess he got after Bush and expect him to completely turn it around in 4 years was nonsense. He needs this next 4 years and hopefully he is successful - but that wont happen if the Repubs keep blocking every bill he tries to put forth. So he has his work cut out for him and I guess we shall see. But at least I feel I can breathe for the next 4 years just knowing that *idiot Romney* is somewhere counting all his money and shedding his tears because of the fool he made of himself. So again thanks to you all for providing the facts and the ways of your government so that I could be a lot more informed especially when Romney and crew and posters on these boards only provided confusion and frustrations for me.

  • 6 votes
#1.95 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:00 PM EST

holding a new years eve over the cliff party!

    #1.96 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:16 PM EST

    @Navy Patriot #1.94, But Obama campaigned on raising taxes on the wealthiest 1% of all Americans. Are you now admitting he LIED on this issue, thus raising it to 2% ??

    • 1 vote
    #1.97 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:22 PM EST

    The Republican Party is going to rebuild their current pile of crap into a bigger pile of crap.

    • 9 votes
    #1.98 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:36 PM EST

    Eight very short years ago, The Democratic Party was rubbing its collective arse', trying to soothe the pain from the booty-whoopin' it took in the 2004 general election.

    The right wing could be heard chortling, and crowing, with bluster and bravado over every conservative talk radio station from Portland Maine to the Santa Monica Pier.

    They yammered and yelled about how the Democratic Party was dead, and about how they, and they alone, would RULE THE UNIVERSE forever, and ever, world without end, Amen!

    Then the elections of 2006, 2008, and 2010. The Democrats won control of both houses of Congress, took over the White House, lost one house of congress, and finally held ground in the last of thos election cycles.

    Now THEY are chortling and crowing about how THEY will RULE THE UNIVERSE FOREVER and EVER, world without end AMEN!

    However, they are forgetting two things; first, the GOP lost it's deathgrip on our government just two years after that '04' election (with the exception of The White House, and the Supreme Court), and secondly, the Democrats do not have a majority in both houses of congress, as the Republicans did. They only have a majority in one of the two legislative houses. Which means that it would be much more difficult for them to take complete control than it was in the mid terms four years ago. What's more, history has shown us that the party in power usually loses seats in a mid-term election. (i.e. the elections of '06' and 2010. Therefore, the Democrats could very well lose control of both houses in 2014. If that happens Obama-Shama-Lama-Ding-Dong's agenda for his second term would be TOAST.

    So, the morale of the story here is to "temper" your enthusiasm left-wingers, because you never know what could happen four or eight VERY SHORT years from now.

    • 3 votes
    #1.99 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:39 PM EST

    The republicans seem to have a problem, however, they cant seem to come to an agreement of what the problem is.

    I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree, but I can see what their fundamental problem seems to be: arrogance.They want to blame their loss on all these external factors, but seem unwilling to look within and see the reality. The reality is, is that the American public wasn't buying what they were trying to sell.The reality is that folks don't like to be called moochers. The fact is that folks don't like their close family members called " illegal aliens".The fact is women don't like gray haired old men telling them what they can and cannot do with their own bodies.

    In other words, people want to be treated with respect, rather than have some outside force treating them like children,or disrespecting the choices they make in their own lives.

    • 3 votes
    #1.100 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:27 PM EST

    The GOP is no longer a viable national party and what is left of the party "Republican Regulars" distance themselves from the Tea Loonies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 3 votes
    #1.101 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:37 PM EST

    The biggest problem that Republicans are going to have in "re-branding", is their absolute love of the PAST. The Party leadership, not to mention their "base", keep trying to shrink this country's population, and diversification, back to what it was 50+years ago, they either can't or won't recognise, the changes that have taken place nationwide, during that timespan. And if they are either unable or unwilling to realise this, it will be a huge mistake. Of course the extremists will have plenty to say, about any changes,(if any) that are undertaken, by the Republican leadership, their voices have become too loud, to be ignored by Party leaders, hell, some of those leaders ARE the extremists!!

    • 2 votes
    #1.102 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:55 PM EST

    The RepubliCons will never, ever embrace minorities;

    Ya know beverly, you are a great example of the sickness on the left. The extreme high majority of the right are NOT racist, and really couldn't give a @!$%# about a person's race. Yea, there are the rare racist freaks on the right just like there are the rare racist freaks on the left (i.e. you). Out of all of the right leaning folks I know, I can only think of two racists individuals, and I don't hang around them, they really don't have many friends because of it.

    Most of us on the right honestly don't understand why the black american community leans so far left when the democrats are committing nothing more than social slavery on you. I'm white, and I find it extremely offensive how your politicians treat you, I really don't understand how you all can't see through it.

    You should go check out americanthinker, there are some phenomenal articles posted there that might help you see the light.

    With that said, the republicans do need to figure things out. I still believe in their core beliefs, but I dumped the party during bush's second term when they started getting crazy.

    This is why the independents are growing in this country, the right is lost and the left is extremely @!$%#ed up.

    It's actually really sad coming here and reading these forums, seeing how many of you really aren't thinking with a clear head, trying to see both sides of the story, and seeing where both parties are committing crimes against us and our country.

    Lastly, @Fiesty,

    I don't usually respond to you because... well... you're as dumb as a brick and really not worth responding to. But just because someone doesn't respond back to you doesn't mean you 'chased them off'. It more than likely means they aren't sitting here foaming at the mouth waiting for a response like you. They might a job (unlike you), a family to spend time with after work (unlike you), going out on a date with their spouse with money they earned (unlike you, but like me and my wife tonight :) ). Anyway, good luck, hope you improve a bit more with that lobotomy and all.

      #1.103 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:14 PM EST

      It is really time to get rid of turtlehead McConnell, Cantor, McCain, and all their ilk out of office. It is time to remove all these OBSTRUCTIONIST out of the Congress and the Senate.

      • 1 vote
      #1.104 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:55 PM EST

      The problem is both parties have some good ideas, and both have some really bad ones. I think that the majority of people feel this way.

      I personally am for abortion and against paying people to have kids through tax deductions, earned income credits, and welfare, for basically the same reason. The environment is going to hell because the earth is overpopulated with humans.

      As for the budget problems, I am tempted to lean toward Joe in Albany's ideas back in post 1.4,

      I used to worry about the federal deficit and the growing debt. Now, in my new-found lefty liberalism role, I say "Who cares??, not me." Let's run up the Chinese credit card as much as we can NOW. And when the bills come due, let the "changing demographics" that vote for Dems figure out how to pay for it.

      but I fear the country won't last long enough for me to finish my life, and then there are the grand-kids...

        #1.105 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:52 PM EST

        From the article:

        Rebuilding time

        But there are no easy fixes

        There are solutions to the GOP's self-imposed "political corner."

        The GOP is politically detached from the majority of Americans. In its agenda, the right refuses to fairly include the middle class, the poor, and people of color. This party attempt to "repackage" its archaic and oppressive points of views. By these extremists, our electorate will no longer be so easily tricked and hoodwinked.

        GOPers softening their opposition to tax hikes on the wealthy?...

        The above statement is hard to image.

        Extremely wealthy and powerful interests have completely bought the Republican party.

        Obama meets with congressional leaders to discuss the fiscal cliff

        Victoriously, the people re-elected Obama. In these fiscal negotiations, President Obama is in an excellent position to state to Boehner & Company the issues that the GOP must be flexible on.

        the Republican Party now finds itself in the same position that Democrats were in after 1988

        However, the Republican's history is to "dig in." Their agenda is reactionary and Exlusion.

        was the loss simply Romney’s fault?

        Romney followed the party's typical behavior of hiding the truth and lying to the people.

        Romney won a larger share of the white-evangelical/born-again vote

        True Christianity teaches love. Jesus would never take food out of the mouth of orphans, widows, the sick and the poor.

        Political positions evolve. Probably, the right is re-grouping itself.

        Democrats, start now in selecting a progressive 2016 presidential candidate.

        ...the right wing has not abandoned its dream of a 1750's America!

        President Obama, forward...

        • 1 vote
        #1.106 - Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:42 AM EST

        correction:

        This party can attempt to "repackage" its archaic and oppressive points of views. By these extremists, our electorate will no longer be so easily tricked and hoodwinked.

          #1.107 - Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:52 AM EST

          dan42day

          The problem is both parties have some good ideas,

          dan42day,

          Name 3 good current ideas born of the Republican party.

          I personally am for abortion

          Needlessly, I do not believe in ending a life.

          However, even when a mother's life is at stake there are Republicans who want to ban abortion.

          against paying people to have kids through tax deductions, earned income credits

          The U.S. is not giving tax credits to people to have kids, so that their fellow taxpayers can support their children.

          The cost of raising a child far outweighs the tax credits given to such parents. If we can give tax credits to GE, which garnered a 14.1 billion dollar global profit and a 5.1 billion dollar U.S. profit and the company paid zero taxes, we can give struggling families small to moderate tax credits to raise a child to adulthood.

          The environment is going to hell because the earth is overpopulated with humans.

          By deregulation and greedy industries, our environment has been damaged.

          but I fear the country won't last long enough for me to finish my life,

          If the GOP gets back into the White House, you will have much to fear. The GOP will toss the middle class and the poor into an abject and permanent economic grave, through unnecessary wars the right will steeply run up our debt, and their cohorts will pollute our planet beyond our ability as human beings to survive here.

          ...dan42, your analysis is all wrong.

          • 1 vote
          #1.108 - Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:27 AM EST

          The republicanCrimeCartelSoldiers HAVING second thoughts about their "party platform"???? These are the self entitled Morons who with KingGeorge the VacuumBrained during his Notoriously Shameful Shrubber Reign 2001-2008 and TheKing'sDeclaration about Katrina: "Aw Helll', we got it Aaowwlll' unda' 'kinntrol"... CAUSED THE WORLD MESS WE ARE ALL IN. The only place for these sociopaths and aipac and it's overseer joseph CAIPHUS loserman and ALL the rollover politicos on crapital hill is IN PRISON where they can't Rape economies, condone the rape of Women, Start ruinous and Profitable Wars, live off of the moneychanger crooks who have taken WallStreet Over, continue a profitable insurance Healthcare racket with No American Universal National HealthCare System in place and HUNDREDS OF CRIMINAL LEGISLATION theses republicanCrimeCartelSoldiers HAVE COMMITTED. This aristocratPartyof Criminals, CHILD PEDAPHILE PREDATORS, PERVERTS, Right "senator" craig???keep still setting up shop in train, bus and airport stations???. These "lawmakers" equate to THE SCUM OF HUMANITY who really should be dealth with like the French People Dealt with their Politico Effluence during the French Revolution; A Final Date With The Madam.

            #1.109 - Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:25 PM EST

            The headline of this article should more properly have said, "Republicans Set Themselves Up For Future Defeats By Failing To Learn From 2012's Disastrous Election". I mean, let's face it: the GOP could have had a period of self examination and reflection in which they came to grips with the fact they cannot win a national election by alienating and offending women, minorities, seniors, young people, union workers, and moderates. Instead, they fabricated an elaborate fiction to protect them from reality by blaming nonexistent gifts to special major voting blocs for their crushing defeat and then took the additional step of accusing Americans of being ignorant and lazy for voting for President Obama, on top of it! Does that make any sense at all?

            Bobby Jindal is right: the Republican Party is the party of stupid. They just can't learn from their mistakes. Get ready for 2016, teabaggers and republitards. It's going to look a whole lot like 2012!

            • 2 votes
            #1.110 - Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:38 PM EST

            Joe in Albany/You do not have to change your conservative views.You should not have been influenced by the far right of your chosen party The republican Party ,until it became brainwashed by the ultra right wing and bought by the1+% had many Liberal conservatives.Their problem is that they didn't have the ba*** to stand up to the extreme right who are bought by the super-rich and the extreme right wing of your party. By all means,study my Democratic Party .As the saying goes try it you will like it. we have many political views within our party but do tend to be more to the political center.

            • 2 votes
            #1.111 - Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:08 PM EST

            Since I'm moving to Costa Rica (probably in January), I will enjoy seeing the results.

            Goodbye Roy! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!

            Here we have yet another "maker" ready to take all his marbles and go away! Lemme guess: you are one of those "job creators" and now you won't create any jobs in this country... just like you haven't for the last 8 years! Plenty of jobs for China, a communist country where they force workers to live on starvation wages and deliberately kill them when they don't like it! But that's the American way, isn't it?

            Frankly, I don't believe it! I think when you get to Costa Rica, you'll pad a few local's pockets with bribes, live like a king and pay everyone who serves you like crap! When they all abandon you you'll just wonder, like Mitt Romney does, why don't they like me?

            • 4 votes
            #1.112 - Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:13 PM EST

            Since I'm moving to Costa Rica (probably in January), I will enjoy seeing the results.

            Wouldn't a fascist theocracy such as Iran be more appropriate? Why annoy the nice people of Costa Rica with your hateful presence for no apparent reason? I mean, what did they ever do to you?

            • 4 votes
            #1.113 - Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:36 PM EST

            Costa Rica, ROY WILSON?

            You've always hated "Obamacare". You've always hated, "the government." And you certainly hate all, "liberals," and distrust all non-conservatives in the U.S. and in the world.

            If you don't like Somalia, why not go to Haiti, or Liberia, or Turkmenistan, or Bangladesh?

            --------------------------------------------

            Excerpts:

            There are plenty of countries that you can move to where you'll have absolutely no government-mandated access to health care.

            Perhaps you might consider moving to Haiti. Not only would you be able to dodge socialist doctors, but you might be able to avoid medical professionals altogether: The country only has 25 physicians per 100,000 people. While access to clean water may be a bit spotty, this is more than made up for by the short life expectancy and the absence of Barack Obamas. Pack your swimsuit!

            But maybe Haiti is still a little too close to our socialist empire for comfort. (Dear God, what if America's newfound brand of Marxist, fascist dictatorship were to spread?!) Don't worry, because the majority of the continent of Africa is far away from both Obamacare -- and any sort of care whatsoever. In fact, for you diehard libertarians who hate having your government provide things, there aren't many places better-suited for you than Liberia. Not only will the Liberian government not provide you with health care, but it will also fail to provide for just about every other basic human need. It's no coincidence that the country's motto is, "The love of liberty brought us here," because nothing represents the anti-Obamacare brand of liberty than a very high risk of catching a serious infectious disease and a low likelihood of finding the resources to treat it. As a bonus for you fans of the Second Amendment who feel that it's necessary to have a gun on you at all times, you're going to love this beautiful land where that's probably a pretty good idea.

            Now, I know what you're thinking: "But what if I hate Obamacare and also love human-rights violations? Where can I live to satisfy both these passions?" Worry not, friend, because I have four beautiful syllables for you: Turkmenistan. The former Soviet region not only abolished its free public health care in 2004, but it was also once again named as a chronic abuser of human rights by the United States State Department this past May.

            There's really no reason to suffer through the grave injustice of universal health care when there is such a robust sampling of countries that (are not industrialized and) will happily allow you to not experience Obamacare. Granted, many have been plagued by poverty, unemployment, and civil war, but how is living in those conditions that different from life under the Obama administration? Have you seen that Rick Santorum ad? Spooky!

            Of course, your other option is to continue to utilize your private health-care plan, as you are entitled to do, while taking pride in the fact that your country, which currently spends much more per capita on health care than any other nation in the world, has found a way to increase coverage for its citizens while reducing the deficit.

            On the other hand, I hear Bangladesh is lovely this time of year.

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-treadway/hate-obamacare-dont-worry_b_1634706.html

            • 2 votes
            #1.114 - Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:59 PM EST

            Joe in Albany

            The Reality: Demographic changes in America seem to make the incurable mental illness of lefty liberalism the wave of America's future.

            My Reaction: I will still keep to my core conservative principles in my personal life. I will still be financially responsible for myself and for my personal financial decisions. The BIG change is that I will now begin to embrace lefty liberal principles in my positions on the role of govt in America. I used to worry about the federal deficit and the growing debt. Now, in my new-found lefty liberalism role, I say "Who cares??, not me." Let's run up the Chinese credit card as much as we can NOW. And when the bills come due, let the "changing demographics" that vote for Dems figure out how to pay for it.

            Why not Joe, that was the Republican attitude prior to President Obama being elected. "Reagan," Vice President Dick Cheney famously declared in 2002, "proved deficits don't matter." Unless, that is, a Democrat is in the White House.

            So much for your phoney outrage! ...have a nice day.

            • 1 vote
            #1.115 - Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:54 PM EST
            Reply

            "And that's the way it is"....post election.

            President Obama won re-election. FORWARD 4 more years with 44. In fact, it was a shellacking of republicans. After four years of conservative idiotic nonsense about birth certificates, secret Muslim, Kenyan, anti-American, socialist, Marxist, you better believe liberals will continue to cheer and....gloat often just to annoy the right.

            Mitt Romney, as he described himself to supporters earlier this year, remains "unemployed". Rumor has it, he's got a new gig selling tickets--$1 to ride his car elevator, $5 and he'll let you sit in one of his cars for the ride, $10 buys a tour of what would have been his Western White House. Ann will serve cookies.

            Karl Rove spent about $390 million of other peoples money to elect absolutely no one. No wonder he suffered a meltdown on FOX when Ohio was called for President Obama.

            No word from Sheldon Adelson who spent about $70 million on Mitt hoping to buy off the investigation into his overseas shenanigans--he's probably looking for a good place to hide.

            General Petraeus resigned. Sad after such a distinguished military career but he has no one to blame except himself. Well, that and a very tangled triangle, another general, a shirtless FBI guy, and a looney mistress scorned.

            Georgia GOPer Paul Brown is on the science committee. In protest of Brown's anti-science beliefs and statements, over 4,000 of his district voters all wrote in "Charles Darwin" as their choice to replace him. Finally, evolution for Georgians!

            The GOPers and FOX sputter conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory to justify a host of things as well as to explain why the GOP lost big time. Their efforts would make a great fiction novel. Perhaps Paula Broadwell's "ghost writer" could put it together, throw in a sex scandal or two to spice it up.

            Governor Bobby Jindal told the GOP to "stop being the stupid party." Seems even Jindal realizes that Rick Santorum's comment that "smart people" will never vote for republicans was prophetic.

            Paul Ryan emerged from his VP defeat to ponder the loss, and express surprise that the voter turn out in "urban areas" was so high. What Ryan really meant was the GOPer Govs and legislatures in key states didn't do a good enough job of voter suppression to keep "you people" from voting!

            Grover Norquist asserted that it wasn't right for President Obama to paint Mitt Romney as a "poopy head". Ahh, an angry Grover let slip his real opinion of Mitt Romney even though Mitt had the required "digits" to just sign anything the wealthy, greedy, selfish crowd desired.

            Petitions are being signed in 15 or so states requesting President Obama allow said states to secede from the Union. Rumor has it the White House budget team is preparing bills to send those states for repayment of all the federal money given them for disasters, roads, bridges, research, schools, etc. since the Civil War. All proceeds from the secession will be used to eliminate the national debt and eliminate future deficits since the blue states won't have to support the red states any more! Good luck, Texas and the rest of y'all--don't call us, well call you.....or maybe not.

            Ohio republican legislators didn't get the women's VOTE message election night. The state House passed HB298 defunding Planned Parenthood, and are moving on to another version of the "fetal heartbeat" bill which will ban all abortions in Ohio, no exceptions. But, hey, there's no GOP war on women.

            During a press conference, President Obama took John McCain and Lindsay Graham to task (could have heard a pin drop in that room) for their unfounded personal attacks on UN Ambassador Susan Rice. "Little" men McCain and Graham's response was to double down on Joe McCarthy witch-hunt tactics, lies, threats and character assassination. McCain on FOX said "we're all responsible for what we say and what we do." Yes, McCain, you are.

            While John McCain was grandstanding in front of TV cameras yelling about not being told about Benghazi--it's a cover up, it's equal to Water Gate and Iran Contra, attacking President Obama and Ambassador Rice--TweedleDum McCain couldn't find the time to attend the 3-hour, closed door, high-level, classified intelligence briefing about Benghazi, Libya. How many other intelligence briefings on Benghazi has McCain skipped while doing TV interviews and yelling about intelligence briefings and hearings that he couldn't bother to attend?

            The "Gilded Foot" Award goes to Mitt Romney who, despite his efforts to convince people he really was for the 100%, once again told his multi-million dollar donors what he really thinks of Americans. In a conference call Wednesday, Romney blamed President Obama's "gifts" to those minorities, young people, women--those "other" people--for HIS election loss. Never mind that Willard's "gifts" would have been to the wealthy, big business and those rich donors he was addressing. In typical Romney fashion, he tried to walk back his comments Thursday....too late, Thurston Howell III finds himself on "Gilligan's Island".

            Who knew elephants could move that fast. A steady stream of GOPers could not get in front of the red-light, TV microphone fast enough to denounce and distance themselves from Romney's latest 47% comments. Have a seat and fasten your seatbelts, folks, the next weeks and months will be a bumpy ride as republicans begin saying what they really think of "poopy head."

            Have a great weekend!

            • 51 votes
            #2 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:00 AM EST

            Jody:

            Great post. Your writing deserves a greater circulation than FR.

            • 32 votes
            #2.1 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:07 AM EST

            Brilliant as always Jody!

            Bonus points for not having Snookie-Joe around to leave her cheap imitation on your porch! ☺

            • 32 votes
            #2.2 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:11 AM EST

            It shows how out of touch Republicans are if they are wanting to secede from the union.

            Instead of looking for areas in common with Latinos, Blacks, and Gays they are insisting on holding onto positions that led to their defeat.

            • 28 votes
            #2.3 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:21 AM EST

            Jody, Iowa

            Governor Bobby Jindal told the GOP to "stop being the stupid party." Seems even Jindal realizes that Rick Santorum's comment that "smart people" will never vote for republicans was prophetic.

            WoW. Nice job, Jody.

            Have a Great Weekend as well.

            Salud

            • 28 votes
            #2.4 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:23 AM EST

            Jody -- Terrific post. Nice to see things back to normal around here.

            Republicans are now running from Romney trying to get as far away from him as possible. That's very funny to watch. Now they criticize him? A day late and an election short!

            Have a wonderful weekend.

            • 30 votes
            #2.5 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:24 AM EST

            Thanks Jody - these are always such a great Friday FR read.

            • 26 votes
            #2.6 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:26 AM EST

            Jody, fantastic post and great to see it back front and center.

            Listening to the republican comments on Romney's latest diatribe, it looks like many of them have now had a 'come to Jesus' moment. Where were they before the election? They let this charlatan run for the highest office in the land and were by his side campaigning like a flock of parrots and if he'd won, they'd be singing his praises as they trooped to the WH for their thank you benefits.

            Their only interest in now stating how wrong it is to write off almost half the country is, just so they can try their luck in running in 2016. What a bunch of hypocrites. They have no principles or the moral fiber to be inclusive.

            • 26 votes
            #2.7 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:26 AM EST

            All true, top to bottom. I'm proud of American voters. It turned out they weren't for sale, and all Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers managed to do was infuse a whole lot of television stations with cash. So, they are FOR another stimulus after all.

            • 23 votes
            #2.8 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:35 AM EST

            Fantastic post, Jody. Reasons to be glad the election is over----re-election of President Obama, big wins for the Democrats, GOP disarray to amuse us as they fail to learn lessons, no more political ads and last but not least, the return of your weekly wrap up of the absurd. We surely missed it while you were otherwise engaged in critical work for the campaign.

            How pathetic is John McCain? A bitter angry old man with a grudge; is this Mitt Romney in a few years? And for the man who thought Sarah Palin qualified for VP to question someone's intelligence, let alone someone with the credentials and experience of Susan Rice, is beyond ridiculous.

            • 25 votes
            #2.9 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:36 AM EST

            I agree with some of your points Jody, but disagree with most of your analysis. I agree that Romney was not a good personal candidate, he made a lot of gaffes, spoke a lot of misinformation, and changed his position a lot, but his loss is attributable to something far more fundamental, that being a complete paradigm shift in societal values. The older generations (the "Greatest Generation" and the "Baby Boomers") for the most part believed in personal responsiblity/accountability, self reliance, hard work, integrity and good work ethics. Those values have been largely replaced with a value system of entitlement, narcissism, and "whats in it for me". It's no wonder he lost to a person who espouses free hand outs. I seriously doubt the Republican Party will ever return. In fact, it's entirely possible that we could be facing a single party system (doesn't this sound like Communism), because as long as we have a presidential candidate who can promise people the greatest amount from the public treasury, rather than encouraging people to work hard, be self reliant and have some personal responsibility for their own lives, we will continue to head down the wrong road.

            • 4 votes
            #2.10 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:37 AM EST

            Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. Not sure I can do it every week but it is nice to once again have time to try!

            chuckzul, Romney didn't just speak a lot of "misinformation", he flat out lied and so did his VP nominee. We were headed down the wrong road paved by Reagan, we are now finding our way back to reasonable, smart government, finding our way back to compassion for the least among us. The wrong road was the one the GOP put us on. Individual responsibility is one part of it but the working poor should not be labeled lazy, moochers just because they need a hand up. Government has a role, we as a people have a responsibility not just to ourselves but to others and to the country.

            • 27 votes
            #2.11 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:47 AM EST

            Good morning, Jody. Another Grand Slam Post!

            Thank You

            • 21 votes
            #2.12 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:48 AM EST

            Been there. Done it. Got another Jody t-shirt to add to my collection.

            • 19 votes
            #2.13 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:54 AM EST

            Jody--I will also add my thanks for a great post! It remains to be seen if the TPGOP can really make the necessary changes--and actually be sincere. If they are truly sincere, they will work with the President to improve our economy and stop focusing on wedge issues. If they will not work with the Democrats, I think we have our answer as to their sincerity. I would agree that they most probably will try to use new packaging on the same old product, and think the voters will actually buy it--again. This is the group that rewrites history rather than learning from it.

            "We have met the enemy and he is us!" Pogo by Walt Kelly

            • 21 votes
            #2.14 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:54 AM EST

            BTW, chuckzul, we are not headed for communism because democrats currently have the odds in their favor. I am not one to tout a permanent majority which the GOP touted and did their best to achieve in the 90's. Our politics and this country's voters are far more complicated than that. The GOP is not dead, it is merely wandering in the wilderness for a time until it finds its way back to reality, finds it way back from extremist control to reasonable thinkers such as William Buckley instead of Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh who fuel the fires of mistrust and hate along with telling viewers outright lies. Democrats have been in the wilderness, they came back; republicans will sort this out but it will take more than a couple years.

            • 22 votes
            #2.15 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:02 AM EST

            Jody:

            Zowie. Thanks so much. I am a trifle saddened that the mink murderess is not here to tell us how awful things really are.

            So eager was Paul Ryan to prove Ronald Reagan's assertion that "Government is not the solution to the problem; government IS the problem," he ran for TWO offices. Sorta like Mike Pence. Government is so awful, I want more of it.

            Our memories are very short if we believe Benghazi is even close to what happened with Iran-Contra. If Republicans need an example of an impeachable offense, Iran-Contra is the quintessential example.

            • 24 votes
            #2.16 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:03 AM EST

            Jody - Great Post as always. You make my Fridays even better.

            chuckzul -

            Those values have been largely replaced with a value system of entitlement, narcissism, and "whats in it for me". It's no wonder he lost to a person who espouses free hand outs.

            That is a complete mischaracterization of the values and principles of the Democratic party, and Republican belief in this distorted view is one of the reasons your candidate and party were defeated in the election.

            The older generations (the "Greatest Generation" and the "Baby Boomers") for the most part believed in personal responsiblity/accountability, self reliance, hard work, integrity and good work ethics.

            The 'Greatest Generation' also firmly believed in shared sacrifice, love of country, and the commandment to 'love thy neighbor'. They had no issues with paying their fair share and leveling the playing field. They paid their dues by fighting in several wars, then came home and used government progams like the GI Bill and government infrastructure investments like the Interstate Highway system to grow America.

            The Republican party has shrunk from shared sacrifice and caring for their fellow man, and has instead promoted a "me first, me only" greedy approach to capitalism. They treat America and Americans like a personal ATM where they can withdraw an ever-larger share of wealth and power, all while demanding an ever-smaller tax burden.

            as long as we have a presidential candidate who can promise people the greatest amount from the public treasury, rather than encouraging people to work hard, be self reliant and have some personal responsibility for their own lives, we will continue to head down the wrong road.

            That is exactly what President Obama and the Democratic party espouse. All they ask is for a level playing field, and an opportunity to work for and achieve the American Dream. Unfettered Capitalism that rewards a few at the expense of many is not the American Way.

            "We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." –Louis Brandeis, U.S. Supreme Court Justice (1856-1941)

            "The man of great wealth owes a peculiar obligation to the state because he derives special advantages from the mere existence of government." - –Theodore Roosevelt, U.S. President (1858-1919)

            • 25 votes
            #2.17 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:04 AM EST

            Excellent synopsis, Jody!

            Romney blamed President Obama's "gifts" to those minorities, young people, women--those "other" people--for HIS election loss. Never mind that Willard's "gifts" would have been to the wealthy, big business and those rich donors he was addressing.

            That's the part Willard never got, despite supposedly being such a detail-oriented 'numbers guy'.

            Numbers, Mitt... as in millions of votes!

            Americans stubbornly refused to let an uncaring fatcat buy their votes. Hell no!

            Sadly for ol' Mittens, dollar bills don't vote. :)

            • 18 votes
            #2.18 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:12 AM EST

            TNSEVOL, terrific rebuttal to chuckzul.

            David W, so true. Iran-Contra was an impeachable offense but Reagan was given a pass. I figured after Water Gate, Congress decided the country didn't have a taste for another one but I also think the failure to proceed gave us Bush and Cheney.

            • 15 votes
            #2.19 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:28 AM EST

            Jody, well done.

            Another reality some gop-ers won't accept, is that Life provides times of happiness as well as times of suffering.

            Other wealthy nations provide back-up for loss of job, sickness, misfortune and unforseen disaster. Such services display our humanity and good economic sense.

            Surely folks who claim religious sensibilities - are FOR looking out for others?

            • 15 votes
            #2.20 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:34 AM EST

            Jody

            It is always such a privilege to read your post. I will ever be grateful to you for the information you provide. Thanks also David, Pat, Dennis and Thomas

            • 11 votes
            #2.21 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:50 AM EST

            Jody - you do Edward R Murrow proud! Great to see the Friday recap back....I can imagine during the campaign there were so many other things going on...but glad to see it back!!

            Sadly it seems that the GNOP again will only give lip-service to their grand "all - inclusive" tent and not embark on any real changes...

            GNOP - we don't need no fact checkers...Facts get in the way of OUR truths!

            • 11 votes
            #2.22 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:58 AM EST

            Jody: NBC really should consider actually hiring you to do a weekly roundup, it really is that good.

            • 10 votes
            #2.23 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:12 AM EST

            Jody,

            Excellent post and analysis. I'm glad you do write when you can. It's becoming my Friday morning ritual, coffee, FR and clicking that like button on so many of the posts on here.

            Happy weekend all ....

            • 8 votes
            #2.24 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:27 AM EST

            Ansomah, thank you and nice to see you stop by again. Thanks everyone.

            Paul S, NY NY, my wrap was on a leave of absence because I was spending much of my time volunteering on the Obama campaign locally. Had a great time but am glad to have life return to normal. Our efforts in Iowa paid off!

            • 9 votes
            #2.25 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:29 AM EST

            David W, so true. Iran-Contra was an impeachable offense but Reagan was given a pass. I figured after Water Gate, Congress decided the country didn't have a taste for another one but I also think the failure to proceed gave us Bush and Cheney.

            Reagan was given a pass because he was still well liked by the public, and Democrats were not stupid enough to go after Reagan, especially because there was no concrete evidence connecting Reagan to the affair. Even if Reagan was complicit, it was never proven. At best, Reagan didn't know what was going on in his own NSC (which in itself was signs of inattention, but not necessarily an impeachable offense.

            • 2 votes
            #2.26 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:44 AM EST

            Michael L, there was plenty of evidence linking Reagan to Iran Contra. Reagan ordered what took place. Reagan had been caught by Congress illegally funding other secret wars; legislation was passed to prevent it but that didn't stop him. Democrats and republicans alike gave him a pass because when he testified, he seemed confused and made little sense but don't forget, he was an actor by trade. Reagan was not that popular despite the claims; both sides of the legislative aisle as well as voters were glad to see him go. Read the facts about it; there's plenty of books written on Reagan which delve into his numerous secret wars. "Tear Down This Myth" is one; another is "Drift" which even republicans praised despite the liberal author.

            • 10 votes
            #2.27 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:58 AM EST

            Standing O for Jody

            • 6 votes
            #2.28 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:33 PM EST

            Reagan's daughter protested against him and his nuclear arms buildup.

            • 3 votes
            #2.29 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:45 PM EST

            Reagan has been dead for quite some time now ! Got any new material ?

            • 1 vote
            #2.30 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:23 PM EST

            jim we need to remember reagan otherwise we are destined to commit the same mistake again.

            • 8 votes
            #2.31 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:06 PM EST

            bigdogg, I think jim doesn't remember the basic lesson of history. If you don't know the history of anything ... you are destined to repeat it.

            • 4 votes
            #2.32 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:13 PM EST

            It seems that the biggest problem for the Republican Party, is that instead of learning from history, they would rather re-write it, to suit themselves and/or as you stated Layton, repeat it, just under a different name. And this irrational obsession with Regan, I don't understand it, and probably never will. But then we must remember, that the G.O.P. is and always will be obsessed with the past, and are absolutley comitted to "conserving" it ! ....... Anyway, Layton, Feisty, bigdogg, Pat MA, Thomas, Jody, TNSEVOL, you all have a FABULOUS weekend, and if I'm not on the vine later on... A VERY HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

            • 3 votes
            #2.33 - Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:37 AM EST

            Many polls during the midst of the Iran-COntra scandal had Reagan at about 46-51 percent presidential approval. It wasn't as popular as Reagan's previous approval ratings, but still enough for Congress to be wary of impeachment hearings. Plus, unlike Nixon, the Republicans had not abandoned Reagan. Where the scandal did the most damage was with the reputation of Reagan and the US in the international arena by sending a signal that the US would deal with "rogue nations" under the right circumstances.

            • 1 vote
            #2.34 - Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:55 AM EST

            Ronald Reagan Jr. has run away from the Republicans' nonsensical politics. During the presidential campaigning, Ron vehemently spoke against Romney and his blatant lies. If the GOP continues to obstruct and sink themselves in their reactionary and exclusionary politics, the party will implode.

            Again, and deservedly, the GOP will lose the 2016 presidential election.

            • 3 votes
            #2.35 - Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:24 PM EST

            Jody, thank you for your excellent post about why this election turned out the way it did.

            Too bad most of the right-wing has no patience to read anything longer than two paragraphs. They're so used to reading, hearing and believing in right-wing marketed buzzwords, code words, code phrases, mottoes, slogans, anything that's eight words or less, dependent upon whatever catches their short-attention spans. And little of what they heard and believed in, was ever fact-checked for themselves, before they said it.

            As "Mockingbyrd" correctly observed and commented upon, "--they do not even bother to look at the facts because the facts are counter to their beliefs."

            If the GOP wants to win back 'believers,' they should get into the habit of fact-checking what they say before they proclaim it, without taking things out of context, while not maliciously misleading their target audiences. Unfortunately, their rigid ideology absolutely requires a gross distortion of the truth... as well as repeating misleading narratives, false hyperboles, prejudices and lies to everyone, including to themselves. This then, is their ingrained streak of maladaptive, even psychotic behavior. They known damned well that implementing their rigid ideology will hurt millions of innocent people, but they just don't care. They cannot care. That is why their mentality is pathologically so narrow-minded. Neurologists even have experimental proof that their right-wing brains are even wired differently from the rest of us non-conservatives.

            http://dangerousminds.net/comments/liberal_vs._conservative_politics_reflected_in_brain_structure

            Fact-checking themselves and dumping their uncompromising attitudes about the people and the world around them, would be a good start for mending their party. But they won't do this willingly -- since they have this terrible, knee-jerk habit of instantly rationalizing blame against others before they stop to honestly examine themselves and the historically-proven consequences it can bring to them in the future.

            If things go wrong, the GOP Tea Party's solution is to go more to the right. If things are successful for them, their solution is to keep going farther to the right, even more. This is their fatal defect that's slowly killing them. Ultimately, they'll devolve into either the armed and brutal brown-shirts, or hellfire-and-brimstone bible-thumpers condemning everyone around them, or the propaganda-loving, Machiavellian fascists of the last century ...definitely nothing the modern, educated, secular majority of the world wants to be ruled by.

            • 2 votes
            #2.36 - Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:01 PM EST

            rradiko.

            They know...that implementing their rigid ideology will hurt millions of innocent people, but they just don't care. They cannot care.

            rradiko,

            I totally agree with your above statement. Ryan's Medicare voucher system and block grant to the states, was chilling. Ryan was hoping to literally purge and eliminate countless numbers of Americans. No health care, no where to turn can only mean one thing, certain death. The right wing should never be voted back into the White House. With fierce intent, these psychopaths are determined to maim and kill our citizens..."the aged, the sick, the poor, citizens of the middle class that need help, the uneducated, the ethnics etc."

            Obama/FORWARD!

            • 1 vote
            #2.37 - Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:56 PM EST
            Reply

            Senator McCain
            Why don’t you listen to the words of the parents and brother of the last young man that you tried to exploit for political gain?
            http://articles.cnn.com/2009-06-02/politics/tillman.mcchrystal.hearing_1_mary-tillman-friendly-fire-memorial-service?_s=PM:POLITICS
            http://anyguey.guanabee.com/2010/09/richard-tillman-story/
            Pat Tillman was a hero
            Ambassador Christopher Stevens was a hero.
            Sean Smith was a hero.
            Glen Doherty was a hero
            Tyrone S. Woods was a hero.
            Your bitterness has caused you to lose all sense of the Honor you once held as an Officer and a Gentleman

            • 28 votes
            Reply#3 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:06 AM EST

            Yep, McCain covered for all of Condi Rice's political mistakes and now is a major hypocrite in the whole Benghazi affair.

            Don't Republicans know that part of the reason they lost was the contentious tone and political bickering? Did they not get the memo that Americans want bipartisanship over anything else?

            • 22 votes
            #3.1 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:23 AM EST

            If any candidate who lost in a Presidential election has a reason to be bitter, it would be Al Gore and yet I have never heard him make a negative comment, even when George Bush brought the country to its knees with his mismanagement. Nor have I ever heard John Kerry make bitter statements, even after his record of service to this country was falsely portrayed. McCain's last moment of decency seems to have been when he told the wacky voter that then-candidate Obama was a good man and a Christian. Now I wonder if he only did that because he knew the cameras were on. It is sad to see how bitter he has become.

            • 24 votes
            #3.2 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:42 AM EST

            talk to ty's Father!

            • 1 vote
            #3.3 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:49 AM EST

            McCain lost a lot of peoples respect when he picked the no nothing Sarah Palin to be his running mate in 2008.

            • 20 votes
            #3.4 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:57 AM EST

            IR, well said.

            McCain has become an angry, bitter, vindictive man who does not seem to remember what he said before nor does he apply the same rules to both republicans and democrats. He has become a caricature of himself. It is quite sad to watch McCain ranting and raging about Ambassador Rice, President Obama, Benghazi and claiming he has not been kept informed while failing to attend the intelligence briefings that would answer his questions and inform him. He has politicized another tragedy not to find answers but for personal revenge.

            • 19 votes
            #3.5 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:23 AM EST

            Intelligence and McCain....quite the oxymoron.

            • 10 votes
            #3.6 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:05 AM EST

            McCain thinks he is leading but if he would just turn around he would find that no one is following.

            • 5 votes
            #3.7 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:09 PM EST
            Reply

            General Petraeus to testify on Libya today, and that's a good thing.

            Not that it will calm the ABATT (All Benghazi all the time) crowd.

            Folks still without heat and power in parts of New Jersey and Staten Island, Rockaway beach and Breezy Point, and that is not a good thing at all.

            Our Fiscal cliff scenario is still taking shape, will it be "Thelma and Louise" or "Butch and Sundance", either way it's always risky going over a cliff...

            Cabrera won the MVP over Trout, and that is probably a good thing too, as Trout has a chance to win 10 over the next couple of decades, and Miggy's Triple Crown was an historic achievment...

            • 11 votes
            Reply#4 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:08 AM EST

            On a personal note ... don't ask! You may chortle however.

            • 10 votes
            #4.1 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:25 AM EST

            Is that really you buddy? I thought you were nestled in the bosom of socialized medicine today....

            • 6 votes
            #4.2 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:27 AM EST

            The bosom erred in not giving me enough time to cease taking plavix for enough days. The bonus is that there are still several lines in my auto-eulogy in need of more finely tuned humor.

            • 11 votes
            #4.3 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:41 AM EST

            Well, glad to have you here whether by bureaucratic error or design....

            But I sense a conspiracy....somewhere!!! (there always is...)

            • 7 votes
            #4.4 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:03 AM EST

            Always a plus side. I get to see Ken Burns' new film on PBS about the Dust Bowl ... individual resilience overcoming collective ignorance.

            • 8 votes
            #4.5 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:07 AM EST

            individual resilience overcoming collective ignorance.

            ---------------------------------------------------------------

            You forgot to preface; The almost unheard of phenomenon of...

            (PS- I played guitar for collective ignorance in the 80's...)

            • 5 votes
            #4.6 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:11 AM EST

            dangerfield and blackcatwhitecat,

            thanks for making me smile.

            • 10 votes
            #4.7 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:16 AM EST

            BCWC,

            Good to know you have a reprieve to get that blood thinner out of your system before surgery.

            Does working on your eulogy give one clarity before surgery?

            You will be fit as a fiddle in the very near future.

            • 8 votes
            #4.8 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:23 AM EST

            collectiveignorance.blogspot.ca/

            sue them for name infringement.

            Northstar ... I went out jogging in protest this morning. The eulogy is all about making people laugh. Weddings are all about tears.

            • 8 votes
            #4.9 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:28 AM EST

            Enjoyed the humor; humor is always good especially on Fridays. Wonder what FOX will say now that General Petraeus is testifying. Along with several other conspiracy theories, FOX has been claiming that he was forced to resign because then he couldn't testify about Benghazi...but, but, but....

            • 12 votes
            #4.10 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:39 AM EST

            Best ending to an eulogy ever,

            The son remarked because that's the way he would have wanted it

            A drunken brawl will immediately proceed the service.

            His dad was a merchant marine his entire career.

            • 1 vote
            #4.11 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:16 PM EST
            Reply

            I don't know how Republicans are going to change when they have doubled down on "we need to be even more conservative". They are not looking at any kind of compromise in positions. They are thinking about how to "articulate" their points more carefully on abortion etc. but that isn't the problem.

            The problem is that Republican positions are not America's positions.

            • 20 votes
            Reply#5 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:16 AM EST

            No......thats were your wrong ....let me fix that for you

            "The problem is that Republican positions are America's positions, and not euro like ours."

            • 2 votes
            #5.1 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:55 AM EST

            IMO if the GOP does not get its act together and start working to govern, the American electorate will respond by giving control back to the Democratic party.

            People want their politicians to govern, not rule and not obstruct.

            • 12 votes
            #5.2 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:24 AM EST

            Shesafatone, perhaps you care to explain why "Euro" and other non-European countries copied our social security and medicare systems--only they one-upped us, they decided ALL their citizens should be part of a medicare-type system. It makes good sense because healthier people means more productive people which means a better society as a whole.

            • 11 votes
            #5.3 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:44 AM EST

            By the way, Shesafatone, you should have said Republican positions are "your" positions; do not assume that everyone agrees. Clearly, on Nov 6, voters disagreed with your assertion that GOP = America. America's positions are a mix of many ideas, beliefs. Even within political parties, there are differences of opinion. No party, right or left, represents the views of the entire country's citizens. Elections merely allow us to choose a preference until the next election when we choose again.

            • 9 votes
            #5.4 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:20 PM EST

            Shesa****/I don't know from where you are coming but the remark/inference that we are copying the E.U. is as your views show wrong.Most of the Industrial European Nations have superior social programs than we but as we have a larger percentage of supporters of the rich we can't improve our Social Welfare.Our aims are to advance our social welfare into the twentieth century whereas you and you're ilk intend to drag us back to the eighteenth century. As we U.S. citizens become better educated and believe in true Christianity it has become more difficult for you backward people to successfully advance your right wing philosophy,I hope.

            • 1 vote
            #5.5 - Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:32 PM EST

            Shesafatone

            No......thats were your wrong ....let me fix that for you

            "The problem is that Republican positions are America's positions, and not euro like ours."

            See?...Republican's never learn! Here's a news flash for you...you're party lost the election! You are wrong! You and Mitt Romney are wrong. You and Mitt and Karl Rove are wrong. You and Mitt and Karl and the Republican Party are wrong.

            ...by the way; Happy Days never really existed...it was a television show.

              #5.6 - Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:18 PM EST
              Reply

              The Howard Beale Show

              It’s Friday.

              We’ve all been going at it pretty hard the last week.

              We’ve shown the world, that despite our differences, we can have an election, peacefully, and our Union remains intact to persevere towards a better future and strive for a common good.

              Time for us political junkies to put down our swords, grab a cold Dos XX, and chill-out for a day.

              I chose to post this because it seems like right now, we ALL feel this way about our political beliefs and this script reminds us of just how insignificant our pettiness can be some times, and how we can get caught up in the folly of it all.

              Excerpts from the 1976 American film classic, Network, Courtesy of Wikipedia

              Howard Beale (Peter Finch), the longtime anchor of the Union Broadcasting System's UBS Evening News, learns from the news division president Max Schumacher (William Holden) that he has just two more weeks on the air because of declining ratings. The two old friends get roaring drunk and lament the state of their industry.

              The plot builds…

              Beale promises he will apologize for his outburst, but once on the air, he launches back into a rant claiming that life is "bull@!$%#". Beale's outburst causes the newscast's ratings to spike, and much to Schumacher's dismay, the upper echelons of UBS decide to exploit Beale's antics rather than pull him off the air.

              In one impassioned diatribe, Beale galvanizes the nation, persuading his viewers to shout out of their windows "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!"

              The plot continues….

              Soon after, Beale is hosting a new program called The Howard Beale Show, top-billed as "the mad prophet of the airwaves". Ultimately, the show becomes the most highly rated program on television, and Beale finds new celebrity preaching his angry message in front of a live studio audience that, on cue, chants Beale's signature catchphrase en masse: "We're as mad as hell, and we're not going to take this anymore."

              If you haven’t seen it, you will have to rent it to see what happens next.

              Have a great weekend everybody and I do mean EVERYBODY.

              Remember, we are ALL Americans. Take your wife out to dinner. Play with your kids.

              Keep things in perspective and most of all, Enjoy life!

              Salud

              • 24 votes
              Reply#6 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:16 AM EST

              Tomas, I have seen it but it's been awhile; thanks for the reminder, it certainly applies. Definitely ready to kick back, step away from political chatter for the weekend and enjoy.

              Salud, friend. Have a good one.

              • 8 votes
              #6.1 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:06 PM EST

              Going to the movies to see Lincoln.

              For some reason it seems fitting.

              • 3 votes
              #6.2 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:39 PM EST
              Reply

              Both the national Republican Party and the nation need to be very careful about Bobby Jindal from Louisiana. His policies toward governing have decimated public higher education ($425 million in cuts since 2008) in a state that desperately needs to be pushing for an increase in higher education opportunities; draconian cuts to health care at all levels; a severe push for school vouchers and teacher evaluation systems that are reviewed as punitive by the education community (all of which was implemented without properly training school personnel in the new requirements prior to full implementation). One of the "accomplishments" he points to is his emphasis on ethics legislation, yet anyone in public office that has voice opposition or criticism to any of his policies soon find themselves out of a job (the list is VERY long...just look it up!). He is another one of the many Republicans seeking to be relevant on the national stage that talk a good game, but don't deliver the same when actually given the opportunity!

              • 18 votes
              Reply#7 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:17 AM EST

              modrepub, good information. In my view, Jindal is merely positioning himself for 2016; his comment to the GOP to "stop being the stupid party" is a good sound bite but he is doing his best to force the teaching of creationism in LA schools which is counter to science.

              • 7 votes
              #7.1 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:13 PM EST
              Reply

              This suggests that 20%+ of them are capable of rational thought. That is hard to believe, but it also shows that most of them would follow a non-Christian.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#8 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:17 AM EST

              Jody, thanks for the info regarding McCain and the Libya briefing. John McCain has shown himself once again to be a hypocritical, angry and headline-hunting waste of a legislator. If this is the best the Republican party can do as "leadership", they really are in more trouble than they think. McCain and Graham (supporters of the phony intelligence on Iraq and Saddam)should show at least a modicum of sense and let the investigation take it's course before jumping to irrational conclusions.

              • 18 votes
              Reply#9 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:17 AM EST

              Right. They must think that after Wrongme's shoot first, aim later methodology was repudiated, somebody had to run up and grab the flag. It is just more evidence that these people are totally clueless.

              • 14 votes
              #9.1 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:39 AM EST
              Reply

              If the GOP is really serious about reinventing itself, they better (1) stop the whining, (2) start believing there are people in this country who are not rich, white, Harvard-educated and do not have Cayman tax shelters and stop talking like everyone is like Romney, (3) stop the hateful, exclusionary rhetoric, (4) realize there is more to running a country than reinventing the abortion wheel before ever election, (5) stop kowtowing to your "base"....get away quickly from the religious nutjobs, the anti-everything teabaggers, and realize the 1% can definitely afford to pay more, (6) stop hating women and women's healthcare and anything women need - don't any of you morons have daughters?, (7) leave SS/Medicare alone....stop using "our" money to fund your projects and wars and let us collect it since we paid into it, and (8) get away from pandering to the likes of Grover Norquist (gave you good advice, right?!), Koch Bros, and the NRA. Then, maybe, the rest of the 99% will pay attention to you!

              • 14 votes
              Reply#10 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:27 AM EST

              Why are they softening now? If the democrats are evil communists who are destroying the country and it was the right thing to do blocking everything they proposed before, then why isn't it now? If the slightest tax raise on the top end will destroy jobs and the economy then why are the pubbies thinking about going along with it? If they think abortion is murder, then why do they want to ease the pressure on banning it now, are the pubbies murderers now? The truth is that these clowns, just like Romney, have no convictions whatsoever, no morals, no values except for continuing their widening of the obscene income disparity for the benefit of their wealthy overlords, and continuing their assault on the middle class.

              • 16 votes
              Reply#11 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:27 AM EST

              Exactly right, leroy.

              No morals, convictions, principles, disclosure, grasp of reality. The Party of No is truly no-thing. Nothing.

              • 14 votes
              #11.1 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:41 AM EST
              Reply

              Joe in Buffalo your myobic veiw of the U.S. is why the republicans lost and will continue to lose. There millions of some wealthy, many well to do and hard working liberals, solidly middle class that the republicans have written off. These liberals care for their fellow human beings and believe government can make society better. So bitter losers like yourself take note the day of rule by angry white men is coming to an end.

              • 16 votes
              Reply#12 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:30 AM EST

              Dennis---this painting of anyone who supports President Obama as an unemployed taker on the government dole has been so hard for me to understand. Do they really believe that or is it just convenient. I've been working since I was in college, paid taxes all those years, have a small business and never got a government handout yet I voted for the President twice. And I know I'm not alone. So why do they persist in this stereotype?

              • 17 votes
              #12.1 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:48 AM EST

              Steeler Fan -

              Agreed! I am a middle-aged white man who has been working since I got a job in 4th grade delivering newspapers.

              I make a fairly comfortable six-figure salary in the accounting and finance field, go to church regularly, and send my son to a private (Catholic) school.

              I am not a Republican for several reasons, mainly because I firmly believe that everyone should have the same opportunity and am smart enough to realize that is not the case. I am revulsed by the Republican attitudes towards the less fortunate, and can't tolerate their attempts to legislate their version of morality.

              I am proud to be a 'bleeding-heart' liberal.

              • 17 votes
              #12.2 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:15 AM EST

              Dennis,

              I agree that government has a positive role in all people's lives.

              I was glad to see that in my city, voters passed a tax increase for a school levy to repair our old buildings, and increase technology for the classrooms throughout our district. Every child in a classroom needs the best we can offer them regardless of their families economic background.

              Demonizing the poor is distasteful.

              • 11 votes
              #12.3 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:38 AM EST
              Reply

              MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS IF YOU REALLY WANT TO HELP...HELP YOURSELVES! THE ECONOMY YOU NEEDS YOU TO STAND UP AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE BY ADDING YOUR VOICE To Tell congress to STOP PROTECTING MILLION & BILLIONAIRES and to pass the middle class tax cuts Now!!

              Add Your Voice Here ->: http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/taxes/tax-cuts

              • 10 votes
              Reply#13 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:31 AM EST

              RE, Hate to break the news to you good buddy .... but the House already passed the "Bush tax cuts" extension several weeks back, BEFORE THE ELECTION !

              Oh, and that tripe about the "millionaires and billionaires", Obamacare ALREADY has increased taxes on investment income by 3.8% for those making over $200k/$250k respectively. "Earned" income has been increased .9% on the same group, and a whole bunch of sneaky little provisions have been enacted against middle class Americans to reduce their ability to take a medical deduction ! Looks like the Democrats have waged war on those with medical issues !!

              Then again, Obama has already changed his rhetoric from the 1% to the 2% he is targeting. Apparently, his union boss Donald Trumka has called the shot on this flip-flop !!

              But hey, go back and hibernate some more.

              • 4 votes
              #13.1 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:44 AM EST

              Done. Thank you.

              • 7 votes
              #13.2 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:45 AM EST

              Jim-

              .... but the House already passed the "Bush tax cuts" extension several weeks back, BEFORE THE ELECTION !

              Haven't heard this, but then I don't listen to Rush.

              Did the Senate also pass this? Did the President sign it into law?

              OR was this another House Bill with anti-abortion, anti-jobs, anti-Obamacare legislation?

              Please post a link. I would like to read the story.

              Salud

              • 14 votes
              #13.3 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:58 AM EST

              Tomas, Put the bottle down occasionally and do your own homework ! It has already been done. Of course the Senate has not passed this because the obstructionist Harry Reid is sitting upon it !

              Furthermore, there was absolutely NO REFUTING of my comments about the "NEW" taxes in Obamacare ! Is that your way of ignoring reality ? But then again, you will actually have to read the bill to see what's in it.

              • 3 votes
              #13.4 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:14 AM EST

              RE, Hate to break the news to you good buddy .... but the House already passed the "Bush tax cuts" extension several weeks back, BEFORE THE ELECTION !

              That passage has to be signed by the President to become a law, and that won't happen.

              • 8 votes
              #13.5 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:15 AM EST

              That 3.8% only applies if you earn more than $500k in capital gains and only on the amount over $500k if your total taxable income is over $250k..

              You left that 'minor' detail out.

              • 4 votes
              #13.6 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:28 AM EST

              I will double check that Hank, but the article I read did not seem to indicate such. ! It applies for unearned income at the level above $200k for individuals and $250k for married filing jointly. The medical dedcution cutbacks, the medical reimbursement limitations, the HSA limitations, excise taxes on medical devices and tanning salons apply to anyone and everyone... regardless of income level. Also, the AGI floor for medical deductions has been increased from 7.5% to 10% ... Obamacare's war on those with medical issues !

              • 2 votes
              #13.7 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:07 AM EST

              jim-

              Tomas, Put the bottle down occasionally and do your own homework !

              Wouldn't expect any other type of answer from you.

              People like yourself keep getting smaller and smaller in the rear-view window while the rest of us are moving FORWARD into the 21st Century.

              Buh-bye.

              Salud

              • 9 votes
              #13.8 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:25 AM EST

              $16 trillion and counting Tomas ! That is NOT moving "forward" ... that is moving our country closer to bankruptcy !

              • 1 vote
              #13.9 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:26 PM EST

              So where the heck were you the last 12 years you gutless wonder. 2 wars that we didn't even have the guts to pay for. We send kids off to fight and then say, "oh by the way you can pay for the war too". What did you think you keep cutting taxes revenues go down. Think of it this way, if you pay less for the rent for your trailer, then the owner of the trailer gets less money. The last more or less balanced budget was Clinton, a democrat, I say more or less cause they included the SS surplus. And the Republicans and Adolph Norquist want to cut taxes more????? Oh yes the party of less government. So they want to insert sonagrams in womens vaginas, that is less govt. I am in china right now and here the govt controls the church probably not good but still a lot better than the church controlling the govt which is what the right wing christian republican taliban wants to do. I am a white middle aged man that makes 6 figures but my ex was hispanic so my kids are and you scratch the surface of the teaparty you will find a white sheet because that is all it is, the ugly head of the Klan raising itself once again. So I can't vote for them and I live in WI and voted for Walker and against his recall but they will overreach and get thrown out because they are racist and want to immplement the right wing religious sharia. So how do we balance the budget, growth is part of the answer and that is investing in our infrastructure, we are now ranked 25th in the world in infrastructure, education but not until there is serious reform and you know what defined pension plans are unsustainable. It is the only thing that can bring down the democrats is if they tie their wagon to the public employee unions. We have to put education not unions first. That is spending but there is also room for a lot of cutting. Stop the wars, nation build here and we don't need to be the worlds policeman. Foreign aid, over 60 years now of us supporting Israel it is time for them to stand on their own and a lot of others also. Smaller more efficient govt. We have to save social security it is all so many people have but it has to be sustainable. Health care, where is the tort reform, but something we need to learn in our country is there is NEVER a free lunch. If people can't pay for health care then the medical industry just charges those that do and then my rates go up. You have to have it, just a matter of doing it efficiently. The rich can pay more but we all have to, even if it is just a little. If you pay you have a stake in the country if half don't pay federal taxes what stake do they have?? I am not a liberal, conservative, republican or democrat, I am an American and I would like to see this country grow up a little.

                #13.10 - Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:54 AM EST
                Reply

                I don't think there is any need or reason for repubicans to rebuild. Clearly, Romney and his supporters believe that they are supporting the 47% of the country who are hopeless slackers. They also believe many of them are godless communists. There is nothing left to say and no reason to make peace because you cannot without giving up your principles.

                • 4 votes
                Reply#14 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:31 AM EST

                Under 8 years of W, we had every intelligence failure conceivable. The Breifing W was to lazy to read, then hiding while the towers fell. Then the patriot act, followed by letting Bin Laden go at Tora Bora. Outing Valerie Plame and then the bogus case for Iraq. but that's just a start.

                Then bailing on Afigahn for the glory of Iraq. Then we had 28 million Iraqi welfare cases. Thousands of dead americans and 10's of thousands wounded. The completely bungled occupation of Iraq and letting the Taliban leave Kandahar. They were all holed up in one place. Bin Laden get's safe passage to Pakistan while W sends them aid. I could go on all day.

                After all that, they really want to play Bengazi? You go girls, we really need to get the house in 2014. You also need to beat the drum on the social issues too. What is so fun is how obviously wrong they are on a host of issues that were settled a century ago. You guys dig in, roll the generals under the bus and go after good people. The election may be over but we still need entertainment.

                • 16 votes
                Reply#15 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:33 AM EST

                Well said Paliban!

                I'm sure the Republican Party still needs minorities and women in their tent if for no other reason than their own children are too lazy to serve the food... However, now that they've discovered that even the waitstaff carry new-fangled lectronic devices what can take videos and stuff they may have to just go hungry or embrace pre-set un-manned buffet lines.

                It's quite a conundrum for them.

                • 3 votes
                #15.1 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:40 AM EST
                Reply

                The GOP, better known as the Grumpy Old Party, wants to rebuild. They will try to convince the voters that they want to cater to the people that voted democrat. Their only problem with that is they have an image problem, because they are unable to be GENUINE. They have no true feelings about how they care about the poor, middle class and the minorities, they all feel the same as Romney did with his fake facad and his 47% comments. They are so very out of touch with mainstream America, that it will take them years to convince any of those listed above, that they have true feelings. I will wait until 2016 to see how they have progressed. I think they will have a hard time getting into the White House until the year 2024.

                • 12 votes
                Reply#16 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:34 AM EST

                Right on Gustifer.

                I find it quite entertaining that mere days after being sent to pasture rather than the White House Romney is found in front of his investors portraying himself as what ends up being to the far right of Bobby Jindal... I also find it interesting that he can't even have a private conversation with his "handlers" now without being outed as the scum-monkey that he is.

                Damage control by the Mormon contingent perhaps? They're in a quandry now for sure. How do you keep yourself from forever being equated to what he's shown out to be without publicly denouncing and ex-comminicating him? I guess "Shunning" is the middle ground there, huh?

                • 3 votes
                #16.1 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:51 AM EST
                Reply

                Rebuild? Not gonna happen.

                All you have to do is look at the Benghazi hearings right now and the posters on this board. Anger, threats, name-calling, hate, and the belief that EVERY democratic voter is part of the "47%" or of the "gimmie, gimmie" mantra will not lead to a strong re-build.

                Until the base stops looking down its nose at every one who is not like them and accepts the fact that they cannot buy or threaten their way into the majoritythe losses will continue to mount.

                • 10 votes
                Reply#17 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:40 AM EST

                It is fine with me if the party of Nixon, Reagan and the Bushes wants to fade into obscurity.

                • 10 votes
                #17.1 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:47 AM EST

                Barack Obama won the popular vote by a few percentage points and you clowns are ready to declare the other party dead ! LOL !! Obama was campaigning for a full year before the Republican candidate was decided and he won by less votes than in 2008 !

                I am not sure how that makes him as the declared dictator to all those that did not vote for him. We still have separation of powers in this country as set forth in the Constitution. The Republicans still hold the House majority for a reason ... the American people do not want Obama's power to go unchecked.

                • 2 votes
                #17.2 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:57 AM EST

                And the American people don't want the Republican party power left unchecked either.

                • 9 votes
                #17.3 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:20 AM EST

                That's quite obvious ... please name a House-passed bill that Harry Reid does not have under his butt !

                • 2 votes
                #17.4 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:10 AM EST

                jim ... not saying the GOP is dead because Obama won ... THE GOP BUILT THAT ..... Mitt campaigned for what 14 years ... and still crying it was cheat ! Hilarious .... RIP GOP ...

                • 4 votes
                #17.5 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:17 AM EST

                Reading is fundamental blue4u, Mitt effectively was able to campaign against Obama after he received the Republican nomination. The 14 yearsfrom you is just a lie.

                Besides this stupid article makes a distinct reference to "Autopsy 2012", but again, you would actually have to READ THE ARTICLE to know what's in it !

                • 1 vote
                #17.6 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:24 AM EST

                Ya know jim, been reading all of your posts this morning and people just might take you a tiny bit more seriously if you ever posted a link or a fact. Your opinions are just that .... yours. Facts are facts and well, you don't have any.

                • 8 votes
                #17.7 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:35 AM EST

                Layton, posting "links" means you have to rely on other's "opinions" because you are incapable of forming rational opinions on your own.

                I have stated that there are NO BUDGETS passed under Obama's first term. Do you care to prove me wrong and show a link to an actual budget that has been passed and signed by Obama.

                Come on genius, prove me wrong and post a link to a BUDGET signed while Obama has been President !

                • 1 vote
                #17.8 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:30 PM EST

                Jim dear, you just don't understand the budget process. If there were really no budget passed in the last four years the government would not be able to spend any money. In fact, the President and Congress did what was necessary to keep the government going. The budget is, after all, the responsibility of Congress, and in particular the House. The president proposes, the Congress passes, and the president has proposed a budget each year.

                • 3 votes
                #17.9 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:49 PM EST

                jim,

                Posting LINKS to back up your own opinions are what qualifies as FACTS to support your beliefs. Posting drivel that you want us all to believe, useless. Here's a link just for you . . ..

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE6iAjEv9dQ

                Kinda fits you to a T? No?????

                • 2 votes
                #17.10 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:16 PM EST
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                Let the Republicans keep wondering why they lost. They'll never get it. Moderate, hard working, careful middle class Americans don't like the Republicans' big, hate spewing mouths. Their lack of sincerity. Their bigotry towards blacks and Latinos. Their unwillingness to compromise for the sake of their ideology, uncaring for the middle class. The Republicans are represented by people like Haley Barbour, fat, white, dictatorial, who was hated in MS. The Republican leadership still seems imbedded 50 years ago when it comes to women and education. Look at the Southern states: still bad wages, bad schools, color discrimination, and they still insist on trying to keep women in the past, obedient and uneducated. And to think in this day and age, voter suppression of blacks and Latinos was accepted and abetted by the Republican Party. Do we need this kind of a political party? The answer we gave them is "Hell no".

                • 11 votes
                Reply#18 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:50 AM EST

                What the hell is that twirp Jindal talking about? You have to take a second look just to make sure this is the same guy! The republicans simply have NO integrity, NONE, not so much as a scrap. Obama and the democrats are saying the same things they have always said and they would be saying them if they lost too. Right is right, what you believe is what you believe, and anyone who changes their core beliefs is not worthy of serving the public.

                • 8 votes
                Reply#19 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:53 AM EST

                After the depression, it took them 50 years to come back. But don't count them out. They are insidious, the economy will be back and everyone will start to think they are rich. That old, keep more of your own money while we go off to war starts to sound really good. This isn't over but at least we get a reprieve for a few years.

                • 6 votes
                Reply#20 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:55 AM EST

                2 years...... and dont be too sure the economy is going to come roaring back!

                • 2 votes
                #20.1 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:11 AM EST

                steady growth is fine.

                • 2 votes
                #20.2 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:18 PM EST
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                One reason they lost which is probably not even thought of by them is that they have turned into a hateful, rude, disrespectful bunch of people. They have a list of items they don't like about the other side and so they exaggerate, lie, distort whatever they can to make the other side look bad. And in the meantime they elected a candidate who went along with that, and never gave any clue as to what he would do for or to this country. And he chose Paul Ryan who was a disaster from the getgo.

                • 9 votes
                Reply#21 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:55 AM EST

                I think the republican/conservative/teabagger party should continue down the road they have traveled Oh these many years. Don't change. Don't innovate. Don't pay attention to demographics. Just continue with your hateful ways and your gerrymandering and see where your at in 20 years.

                • 10 votes
                Reply#22 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:56 AM EST

                The only "hate" is coming from the mouths of liberals who have this new "arrogance" about an imaginary mandate ... when the results were actually a pretty close election with NO MAJOR shifts in Congress !

                In 2010, the Republicans picked up substantially more seats in Congress than the Democrats did in 2012.

                • 3 votes
                #22.1 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:01 AM EST

                Nope beeker (When I see that name I think of Beeker of the Muppets) We will let you have all you want.... take it. Bail out Detroit and most fo Cali! And remember 95% of blacks on polling exit stated the Gov. needs to create suitable jobs for them, so.....lets get going hire them all in gov. jobs with full benifits. And dont forget the Latinos they want what they we promised... and kinda quick! Chop Chop.....lets go you guys have a lot of services to provide.

                • 3 votes
                #22.2 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:16 AM EST

                Boy o boy, there is actually more hate coming from the mouths of republicans. You guys need to clean your ears out.

                • 10 votes
                #22.3 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:23 AM EST

                Old jobboi We arent hating...... we want you to get on with it. Come on lets get this train rolling! On with your agenda. We want to see results. You know lower UE and foodstamp disbursment! We know you can do it.....51% of the people belive you can. Now is your chance to prove it.

                • 2 votes
                #22.4 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:56 AM EST

                Thank God that President Obama is in charge as our President, and not Willard Romney, who will never be President.

                • 3 votes
                #22.5 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:49 PM EST

                Wow, the stench of desperation prior to the election was bad enough Jim... Now we have to continue to smell the rotting corpse of your lost dreams too? The Republican party has less ways to survive from this point than Romney had by about 6:00 P.M. on election night...

                The Republican party platform has been rejected by an ever-growing majority of Americans. The fact that they can't feel that platform becoming unstable and on the verge of collapse under their own feet is fascinating.

                • 4 votes
                #22.6 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:51 PM EST

                Old angry GOPers are too set in their Jim Crow ways to change. The turning point for the Republican Party may come when the Newt Gingrichs, Trumps, Sheldons, John Sununus, Mitch McConnells, McCaines, Romneys and O'reillys go away.

                For now we'll just continue to watch them with glee as they self-destruct themselves into oblivion!!!

                I LIKE IT!

                • 4 votes
                #22.7 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:20 PM EST

                chick binder, Love the nasty langauge you incorporate into your irrelevant post ! Again, I would say you are suffering from Delusions of Grandeur, but for you ..... it is more like Delusions of Adequacy !! LOL !!!

                Obama won by a few small percentage points of the popular vote and you guys are ready to declare the opposition dead ! Two years after Obama took office, the Republicans took control of the House !!

                NEWSFLASH LIBBIE ! Republicans still control the House. I know that may cause you to wet yourself.

                • 2 votes
                #22.8 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:37 PM EST

                jim,

                Every month 50,000 latinos turn 18. In 2 years that equates to 1.2million votes of which Dems got 74% of them. In 4 years that equates into 2.4 million votes, of which Dems will get 74% of them. That assumes of course that Dems get the same % as this past election.

                So, the question becomes, how many do you think the Repubs will get and what will they do to garner more of those votes, since the Repub base of old white men are dying off?

                • 3 votes
                #22.9 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:23 PM EST
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                Plus they whine about the 47% freeloaders when meanwhile back at the ranch the states of Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, S and N Carolina. La and W Virginia etc are the poorest states and least educated and are definitely nonwhite. Their very voters decry what they say about Obamas voters. Why can't they see that. And I checked and 47% of the people are not dependent as Romney claims. About 12% might be and many of those are women, children, and some that couldn't possibly work if they wanted to. And I imagine a lot of them are in those states I mentioned who went for Romney. It would be nice if one time he knew what he was even saying. And I loved the 47% sequel. He never learns.

                • 8 votes
                Reply#23 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:00 AM EST

                I do not think the GNOP can 're-invent' itself in two short years before the next mid-term elections. In order to do so the Grand Obstructionist Party will have to stop saying 'NO' to: 1. women's right's, 2. LGBT Rights,3 new taxes on the wealthy,4. health care reform,5. public education funding,6. proven scientific fact,7. protecting the environment, 8. immigration reform,9. to logical defense cuts, and some I forgot (sound like Rick Perry?). If they want to create a big tent again they need to start by saying 'NO' to the noise from Fox Entertainment Network (listen to a few different news networks daily), Get rid of Priebus (he is worthless), Luntz (why pay this guy when you can get all of your polling info from Nate Sliver for FREE) (I know, if you pay big bucks for something it must be good, right?). Stop quoting Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Rove, and others as gospel....they are nothing more than carnival barkers at a local fair. Lastly, support campaign finance reform..as a bipartisan issue...and then maybe people will begin to listen to what Repubs. have to say.....Tall order to accomplish in less than two years. Good Luck!

                • 10 votes
                Reply#24 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:03 AM EST

                The problem as I see it is that Fox News which provides no news has a willing audience, they leave out important information about all candidates and then put the spin they want on the whatever, including polls. Anyone with half a brain could look at a Rasmussen poll and know that if Obama is ahead in that poll he is way ahead. I do not understand how these people take the info in without question, believe it and repeat it. And meantime they have no sense of what is actually going on in this country. With Romney they only believed what some repubs told them what Romney stood for and in the meantime Romney was showing his true colors everytime he opened his mouth. If he thought he was ever winning it is because he never listened to what was going on in our country. Never. With electoral votes he was never ahead and most of the time it was over 50. And now the problem with Benghazi is probably the stories Fox News made up and people have to figure out where they came from and who made them up. How can a program do that and get by with it? And it doesn't seem like they have learned anything from the election.

                • 12 votes
                Reply#25 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:07 AM EST

                Republicans stick together. They don't know what they're fighting for but because their told to march, they march. The Dems, on the other hand fight each other all the time. Most Dems are really independents. If you put Dems in a circle and gave them guns they would shoot each other. But at least they think. I don't understand why Rep, who are usually professionals, believe the lies Fox tells them, but they do. I don't even try to convince them or tell them the facts. Just look for people who are more open minded.

                • 1 vote
                #25.1 - Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:04 PM EST
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