A House Foreign Affairs hearing on "Benghazi and Beyond" quickly turned into a shouting and accusations forum.
It began when Republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) said this: "What is clear is that this administration, including the president himself, has intentionally misinformed, read that LIED, to the American people in the aftermath of this tragedy. Now President Obama has the gall to float the name as possibly secretary of State, the name of the person who is the actual vehicle used to misinform the American people during this crisis."

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National Intelligence Director James Clapper arrives for a closed door hearing conducted by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence November 15, 2012 on Capitol Hill.
Rep. Brad Sherman, a Democrat also from California, called the attacks on Rice "unfair" and leveled that Colin Powell testified that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, because that's the information that was given to him.
Rohrabacher shot back, going further, intimating that what the White House has done is worse than Watergate.
"This is not simply a cover up of a third-rate burglary," he alleged. "We have four of our personnel dead, and it is not a McCarthy-era tactic to demand accountability and to demand that American people are not misinformed about it to the point that they don't know what the threat is."
The back and forth continued when Rep. Jean Schmidt, a Republican from Ohio, also accused the administration of lying.
Key Republicans on the Senate Armed Services Committee are calling for a broader investigation into the attack on Benghazi and vowing to block UN Ambassador Susan Rice from becoming Secretary of State, if she should be nominated, because of her initial comments about the fatal incident. Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., discusses.
"This administration continues to put out things that are just not quite true," she claimed.
Rep. Dan Burton (R-IN) began by saying he was not going to attack the White House or malfeasance at the State Department. But he then instead spoke for six minutes and didn't ask a single question of the GAO witness.
Naturally, Democrats responded. It began rather timidly and escalated.
"Barack Obama was no more responsible for what happened in Benghazi than George Bush was for Sept. 11th or Ronald Reagan was for the blowing up of U.S. Marines in Beirut," Rep. Eliot Engle (D-NY) said.
Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-NY) unloaded, first sarcastically: "Let's just hang the guilty parties."
"The stench of hypocrisy that hangs over this city today emanates from this room," Ackerman said. "I've listened to my colleagues talk about the President of the United States and others in the administration using [the] terms 'deliberate', 'lies', 'unmitigated gall', 'malfeasance,' which is malicious and knowing evil-doing, 'disgust', 'coverups'."
He continued, "If you want to know who is responsible in this town, buy yourself a mirror!"
Ackerman went on to say that Republicans had "the audacity to come here" when the administration requested, for worldwide security, "$440 million more than you guys wanted to provide. And the answer is that you damn didn't provide it! You REDUCED what the administration asked for to protect these people. Ask not who the guilty party is, it's you! It is us. It is this committee, and the things that we insist that we need have to cost money."
He added, "Could you tell me which of my colleagues on this committee was as bodacious in their insistence that we provide more money for American security in the State Department budget. I would appreciate it."
Ackerman then asked them to raise their hands and gave them a count of five to do so. None did.
Rep. Gerald Connolly (D-VA) picked up the push back. He held up a letter, dated yesterday, in which he was asked to co-sign saying that Susan Rice is unfit to be secretary of State.
"Smear, character assassination, judgment before all the facts are in is McCarthyism," Connolly said, "and that's an attempt to besmirch, in my opinion, the reputation of a very talented and capable public servant. I want no part of it."
He added, "The election is over. The president won reelection. The voices of the public were heard. They want us to cooperate. If you want an honest investigation of this tragedy, we will join you. But if you want to persist in trying to put this, lay this somehow at the doorstep of the president or the secretary of State or the United Nations ambassador, you will find us ready and willing to resist to the teeth."
And that was just the first half of the hearing.


**************STANDING OVATION***************************
In 1983, a terrorist bombing of US marine barracks in Beirut killed more than 240 marines...the nation went into mourning, both parties were behind President Reagan who was not blamed for the tragedy...
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Benghazi is another tragedy..with the loss of ambassador and some others...but what's shocking is -what has happened to the Republican party of today?? These Republicans are slowly killing off their own brand now.
Oh GOODEE!
The WWF has arrived on the House floor!
I love all the accusations of lying from the right without one ounce of evidence to back it up!
The only thing missing so far, are calls for impeachment & treason! lol
*popcorn*?
There is no level the Republican party will not stoop to in order to get revenge for losing the Presidency. This is nothing but a disgusting group of misfits who have no business in public office. THEY are the ones gulity of lying at every turn - and they refuse to stop.
In 2014 we have to vote out as many of these damned liars as possible!
PS, I am still hearing crickets on the following questions posted on another thread:
I am still waiting for Obama's Benghazi critics to tell us what they should of done. Are they advocating that the US launch air strikes or send in ground forces in a city of 1 million people in a country we are not at war with? A country with a fledgling pro-US government and the citizens of Benghazi proved their pro-US leanings by demonstraing in the tens of thousands against the extremists and then by driving the extremists out of town. How would what they wanted to do would have made the situation any better?
Who would have thunked it? Benghazi? The President did what?
I smell a......................................................WITCH HUNT!
al in visalia,
Here is the real question for obama.Why was existing security denied bullets for their guns?The republicans turned down a bill to spend more money on security but that doesn't help if they are not allowed the tools to do their job.You can send a thousand personnel but if they are unarmed it would have been more then a 4 dead body count.
They weren't. That myth was debunked weeks ago.
The Republican Party is grasping at straws. It is determined to find an avenue of attack against the President, and Benghazi is the only thing they can come up with. There is no indication that the Administration acted inappropriately or lied to the American public, but the Republicans must find something with which to bludgeon the President; otherwise, they will appear to be as irrelevant as they actually are.
What we have is a bunch of over-sized elephants in a small room, frenetically crashing around and bumping into one another, crazed with a need to prove their existence.
Thank you Rep. Ackerman for telling it like it is!
jared - the bullet myth was started by a right wing rag and very quickly debunked for what it was - a ridiculous lie that any idiot could see though! And, you are quite right, without bullets there would have been far more than 4 dead!
There were multiple guard units there, both of the armed and unarmed variety:
Let me guess, your source for this information is the same source the late departed Spanky used when he posted the debunked story about the ambassador being sodomized and dragged through the streets? How can you have a "firefight" if only one side has bullets?
If the military gives live ammo to troops guarding an ammo dump here in the US.(which they do)
I can't imagine them not providing ammo to the embassy guards.
Maybe you should re-check your "facts"?
This presidency is the most clouded "transparant" administration in the history of the USofA.
Obama says to blame him, not Rice, for the Benghazi RAPES/MURDERS.
When the Repubs do just that..... all we hear are the crying Libs pouting out baby gibberish...
Thought you guys were against RAPE... yet when our own Chris Stevens was getting BRUTALLY raped and murdered, you guys just turn your heads, and wonder why the REAL AMERICANS are upset?
please state who these armed gaurds were because the only security was being provided by the british company blue mountain something not marines.no marines were present for the attack because that is usally who protects our embassies not some british outsourced company.check the rules of engagement that were proposed by hilliary clinton where no bullets were allowed and marines were not posted to keep tensions low in the area.
And the liberals scream..."It's ok for us to lie...Bush did it. Powell did it....Therefore, it's ok for us to lie. Why you hatin'.?"
I love it....
Funny, the liberals claim moral superiority by pointing out someone else lied 10 years ago.
The Republicans have a lot gall, accusing the POTUS of lying. They have lost all credibility regarding the truth after the last campaign. Indeed, after the last 4 years.
fuzzy44,
you're right the MILITARY provides bullets to troops but our embassy was being watched by a british company not AMERICANS.The story about unarmed gaurds has not been debunked except by the person who has lied since the begining obama.
sirie
I have a hot tip on tinfoil you could benefit from.
Paws,
No one is saying that. We're saying something quite different, but I don't think you're bright enough to grasp it.
Sirie,
You're just plain ill. You need to find help.
Get rid of the Pubbies. Unelect all of them. I cannot in my wierdest fantasies envision a scenario under which an embassy would be denied additional security by the President.
So go ahead righties.
Why?
Why would that make sense?
Defend youself.
Me? Frankly I would only refuse that embassy security if the embassy was full of Pubbies.
Why did Susan Rice blame the deaths on a 17 minute film clip that was anti-Mohammed in nature ? Why was her "false" answer repeated many times ?? Why did Obama stand before the United Nations and bring up the film clip repeatedly in connection with the Benghazi attacks ??? Why did Hillary join the fray of misinformation ????
If an investigation is still underway, why was FALSE information given out before real causality was determined ?
Spin it all you want, this administaration has yet to give clear and accurate answers ... even after stalling for months.
"The election is over. The president won reelection. The voices of the public were heard. They want us to cooperate. If you want an honest investigation of this tragedy, we will join you. But if you want to persist in trying to put this, lay this somehow at the doorstep of the president or the secretary of State or the United Nations ambassador, you will find us ready and willing to resist to the teeth."
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GOOD. THROW THE UN-AMERICAN RETHUGLICAN SORE LOSERS OUT.
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FORWARD!!!
PS - SIRIE - your comment doesn't deserve a response, because you're just proliferating garbage that has been thoroughly debunked . . . but, what the heck:
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"How Qaddafi loyalist's Fake Rape Story became RW dogma on Facebook"
nice accurate source, Sirie (sarc)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021342069
I have an idea, what if someone bends over one of you Libs, pull down those GAP jeans, start sodomizing and see if YOU are OK with NO protection. That is, until the last cry for help leaves on that last breath... then LIES about it being over a VIDEO. That make you guys feel SECURE?
It frightens me that LIBs may actually like it, yikes!!
Secondarily, do you really thin that a squad of 20 Marines with M-16's could defend the embassy against a few thousand mob members?
Are you people deliberately daft, or just act like it?
Jered:
The simple answer to that question is that we don't know who the American contingent was. They were apparently not marines and they were also apparently separate from the small contingent of Libyan locals hired by Blue Mountain. But we do know that they were armed and that they fired back. We also know that they apparently drove off the attackers, but not before the consulate was overrun.
Another good question is why were dems wanting money to hire different countries for security at our embassies when we already pay marines wages and they should be providing security anyway.
sirie - what you've posted was proved untrue and totally debunked by the doctor who attended to Christopher Stevens. It is inappropriate to continue posting the lie about him being raped and sodomized as he wasn't. And, it is totally disrespectful of our ambassador.
jared - please read Michael Thompson's post and stop with your lies.
jim - Rice said - "according to her information" as she was continually GRILLED after the incident. Had she refused to answer, you'd be screaming about that. There is no pleasing you on the far right. No matter what she did or said you'd try to twist it to meet your agenda.
Republicans have no morals; no honor; no integrity and show absolutely no character.
Seriously, I am loving this. OMG....I am loving this. Common Dems, give it to them double. These MEN, GOP MEN, are shameless. 9/11, knowing what we knew, we still came together as a Nation and stood behind LYING Bush.
Reckless GOP is drowning party looking to hang unto anything for life. SHAMELESS.
sirieI have an idea,
Keep your pathetic rantings to yourself. That is, unless you enjoy publicly humiliating YOURSELF!
*on second thought* Carry on Tool.
Steve Benen, The Maddow Blog:
Yesterday afternoon, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) told the media he demands additional information about the September attack in Benghazi. At the exact same time, McCain was skipping a classified intelligence briefing on the September attack in Benghazi.
So, what happened? Apparently, the Republican's office scheduled his press stunt at the wrong time, so McCain forgot to be where he was supposed to be.
Senator John McCain is demanding answers on the Benghazi attack, but his office tells ABC News he missed a classified briefing on the subject because of a "scheduling error."
The classified briefing was held on Wednesday before the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee -- of which Senator McCain is a member -- and lasted three hours. It featured testimony by officials from the State Department, the Pentagon, the CIA and the National Counterterrorism Center.
During part of the briefing, McCain was holding a press conference demanding answers about the administration's handling of the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya on Step. 11 that killed four Americans, including US Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens.
So, let me get this straight. Yesterday, McCain said Susan Rice is "not very bright." This morning, McCain said the Obama administration is "incompetent." But given a chance to get answers about Benghazi, this towering intellect and model of competence forgot to show up for a briefing, and blamed a scheduling mishap?
McCain added today that there are additional hearings lined up on Benghazi, and he definitely plans to be there. What a relief.
As for McCain's calls for a special new committee to investigate the violence, many McCain allies -- Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) -- already disagree with him, and the Arizona Republican doesn't have many allies in his crusade to smear Susan Rice, either.
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/11/15/15194696-mccains-scheduling-error?lite
Before this discussion goes any further, let's get a couple of things straight.
1. Benghazi was a consultate and not an embassy. They are not the same thing.
2. What is the Marines' mission when it comes to diplomatic security? Just read their mission statement...
And they wonder why their approval rating is so low? Are they just not able to stop themselves from acting like idiots?
You are awesome Noid.
Senators Graham and McCain of course are on the list.
The Veterans Job Corps Act of 2012 would have spent $1 billion over five years to put veterans to work tending to federal lands, and in the nation’s police and fire departments. Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) based her plan of FDR’s Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC), but Republicans opposed the bill because they said there is no proof that it would work.
It doesn’t matter to most Senate Republicans that the CCC put 2.5 million people to work. When confronted with an actual jobs program for America’s vets, including the 220,000 who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, the majority of Republicans claimed the plan, which was already offset, was too expensive.
Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) claimed that the bill would have pushed the VA over its spending limits, and gave forty Republicans a reason to vote no on jobs for vets.
The good news is that five Senate Republicans didn’t join with their party. Sen. Scott Brown (MA), Dean Heller (NV) Lisa Murkowski (AK), and Maine’s Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe all voted with the Democrats, but in the end the bill fell two votes short of clearing the procedural hurdle, and died in the Senate.
Here are the 40 Republicans who voted to keep America’s veterans unemployed,
Alexander (R-TN)
Ayotte (R-NH)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coats (R-IN)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lee (R-UT)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Moran (R-KS)
Paul (R-KY)
Portman (R-OH)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rubio (R-FL)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Toomey (R-PA)
Vitter (R-LA)
Wicker (R-MS)
Mark Kirk and James Inhofe did not vote.
If any two of the Republicans on this list would have decided to put our veterans first, this bill would have moved forward. Instead, Senate Republicans thanked veterans by denying them jobs.
http://www.politicususa.com/meet-40-senate-republicans-betrayed-veterans-killing-1-billion-jobs.html
Hey my Liberal buddies out there....
Who's got their bag limit of Pubbies today?
Anybody? This stuff is fun.
I could slap these chumps around all night.
wasn't that bill tied to huge increases in Food Stamps?
Jared, you are probably the single most misinformed person I've yet to come across on here.
Each official is also designated a security detail from the State Department's own Security Force. Ambassador Stevens actually had a larger contingent than normal due to higher threat levels. The small British company was used at consulate security, because well.. it's just a consulate. The Marines are stationed at Embassies... such as the one in Tripoli.
For decades, "too much security" has been a gripe by many diplomats - because it makes it hard for them to do their jobs.
Yesterday, McCain said Susan Rice is "not very bright." This morning, McCain said the Obama administration is "incompetent."
What a numskull McCain is. Isn't this the same McCain who stood with Bush while WRONGFULLY invading IRAQ? The same McCain that almost gave us Sarah Palin? He should shamefully go hide in a
wabbithole in Arizona desert.It’s also important to note,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said last week, “that the Republican appropriation in Congress gave the administration $300 million less than it asked for for the State Department, including funding for security.”
Republicans and their allies have been trying to politicize the attack — which killed four Americans, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya — suggesting, without evidence, the Obama administration may have ignored intelligence that the attack was imminent, didn’t properly secure the Benghazi compound and is now trying to cover it up.
But hidden beneath the GOP campaign is the fact that House Republicans voted to cut nearly $300 million from the U.S. embassy security budget. When asked if he voted to cut the funds this morning on CNN, Chaffetz said, “Absolutely“:
O’BRIEN: Is it true that you voted to cut the funding for embassy security?
CHAFFETZ: Absolutely. Look, we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have — think about this — 15,000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, private army there for President Obama in Baghdad.
And we’re talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya to help protect our forces? When you’re in tough economic times, you have to make difficult choices how to prioritize this.
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/985191/chaffetz-absolutely-funding-embassy-security/
Jared Harvey -
Please do us all a favor and educate yourself. All our "Embassy's" have Marine detachments for security. The Libya Embassy is in Tripoli and not in Benghazi. "OK - pumpkin".
Benghazi was a consulate not an Embassy. Please for the love of God crack a book!
I've asked this already, but I guess I'll keep asking it.
Why do these doggish republicans believe this particular incident in Benghazi, killing four people is any more important than the thousands of soldiers killed in Iraq?
They, the republicans, keep harping on the ambassador, he's no different to me, than any of the thousands of Soldiers killed due to Bush, and Cheney's illegal invasion of Iraq on a LIE. Foreign Service Ambassadors usually do time in hostile environments, putting themselves in the line of fire just like soldiers, so to me, what happened on 09/11/12 is no different than a Humvee full of Infantry Soldiers on a patrol, rolling over a massive IED. They've always known they were out there, BUT, they were doing their job, and it happened. Quit putting so much emphasis on this ambassador, I'm sure he knew the game well.
@Seeking Sanity, "According to her information" ???? Are you kidding me ?? WHO gave her that information ? You cannot continue to HIDE behind the cloak of "misinformation" that somehow magically protects the FALSE nature of her answers.
Where did she get that information ? Why is it so totally OPPOSITE of the information our State Department had ? There is a significant amount of evidence the State Department KNEW AL Qaeda was behind the attacks ... some of it LIVE, as it was happening and more within 24 hours.
danoid,
classified materials include people who have classified information not just papers or computer files.
Feisty,
Impeachment..... not that funny. They would do it, reality doesn't matter at all. (as we saw with Clinton)
When will Republican voters see that these guys are not there for America at all?
mush
Soldiers are armed, for one. And trained to defend.
Plus, what does anything Bush did have to do with what our CURRENT president is doing?
I'm sure you libs belted out how bad Bush was, haven't you? So, we can't do the same about your messiah?
Anyone else find it funny that First Read is now talking about Benghazi, now that the ELECTION is over?
Where was the story back on 9/12 till, oh I don't know, NOW?
Oh, I forgot they were to busy kissin up to Obama....
@ MOSHULUU - because they watch Faux Noise, and the RWNJ's on that "entertainment media outlet" has been pushing these lies about Benghazi since the tragedy happened . . . they tried to make it into a campaign issue, but even Myth Robme gave it up after President Obama crushed him in the 2nd debate.
@ Pat, Boston - love your posts! thoughtful & very informing - esp appreciate the one above that included this:
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"So, let me get this straight. Yesterday, McCain said Susan Rice is "not very bright." This morning, McCain said the Obama administration is "incompetent." But given a chance to get answers about Benghazi, this towering intellect and model of competence forgot to show up for a briefing, and blamed a scheduling mishap?
McCain added today that there are additional hearings lined up on Benghazi, and he definitely plans to be there.What a relief.
As for McCain's calls for a special new committee to investigate the violence, many McCain allies -- Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) -- already disagree with him, and the Arizona Republican doesn't have many allies in his crusade to smear Susan Rice, either."
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/11/15/15194696-mccains-scheduling-error?lite
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FORWARD! :-)
GOPX,
I've already had to toss a few back... ☺
HUH??? What the hell is wrong with these people? Were they out of town, out of the country, off the planet for the last 30 days? Romney test floated the Benghazi attack for them and it flopped.
Geeeeez some people never learn do they?
I guess we'll have to teach them another lesson in 2014 and again in 2016 before they'll listen to We The People....
Somebody needs a whuppin' and I'm looking at the GOP! Oh wait, they just got a whuppin' didn't they.
WELL, THEY NEED ANOTHER ONE!
Sounds GANGSTA, doesn't he?
Excellent question. Why do we have companies like Blackwater providing security at a much greater costs than Marines? Also why do we continue to employ companies like Haliburton who electrocuted 18 US service men in Iraq in a series of incidents, just to pad the bottom line. What is more scandalous, Benghazi or having a soldier electrocuted while taking a shower, then have the same contractor refuse to correct the problem and allow more soldiers get electrocuted by their shoddy work, all in the name of the almighty dollar? When will they drag Dick Cheney to testify on this?
sirie regurgitates Sounds GANGSTA, doesn't he?
Bring it ON! - GWB
Your racists is showing sirie.
sirie - Benghazi was in play during this last election and GOP lost miserably with Mitt as the skipper.
Another humiliation is on the horizon for GOP in this latest fight. Will they learn, NO.
Sounds GANGSTA, doesn't he? SIRIE that's one of the numerous reasons why winning the WH is so becoming a tall order for GOP and followers.
I have a funny observation about this article. If this hearing was "BEHIND CLOSED DOORS", then why do we have so much detail about what is being said ? Does anyone find this curious ??
Media coverup Just24...
I saw ABC telling the story, not here on FirstRead, not a chance they would air out the dirty laundry here!!
Sirie: since you continue to claim that Stevens was raped, even though the myth has been debunked over and over, it is clear that you still live in the rightwing echo chamber. Break free! There is a real world out here, with real facts and real numbers.
how does that make one racist? is that not how gangbangers use the slang? Sirie you try but remember 'do as i say, not as i do'. oh well when in doubt drop the race card. just wait till hispanics and blacks start using it on eachother. Remember progressives believe only whites (non liberal) can only be racists. wonder which side libs choose then?
jim - Rice said "according to her information" given her early in the investigation because she knew the investigation was not nearly over - as any SANE individual knows that soon after an incident like Benghazi occurs. She was being hounded for information and could not give a definite answer as she didn't then have absolute details. But you know that - you're just being disgusting as usual. Any full investigation of something like this can take months. But, when you're hell bent on putting blame on the President - facts don't get in the way, do they? They never have for you and your GOP buddies!
You really are a pathetic excuse for a man!
Sirie,
Just because you like sand in your famous Koch Bros Butt Cream doesn't mean anyone else is as sick as you.
and you're a poor excuse for a human being.
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There are a huge number of just plain wrong "facts" being posted on this Benghazi thing.
1) Benghazi was not a embassy --- it was a consulate, a much more accessible type of office, more low key. The embassy is in Tripoli. The big event was supposed to be the opening of a new public access cultural center at the consulate on Sept 13th. This is not the kind of place with a formal guard as an embassy would. This is a place intended to encourage local people to drop in if just out of curiosity.
2) The Ambassador was in Benghazi because he was very security conscious. There had been rumbles of trouble in Benghazi. Stevens hgad the idea of going to Benghazi a couple of days early. This would serve the security purpose of not disclosing his travel in advance. They were a little worried because the date of the opening had been widely publicized. Stevens also reasoned that if expected Sept 11th dermonstrations were tu turn ugly, he could direct the staff evacuation from there. If nothing happened, he would be there for the opening already.
3) Most people on the ground agree that al-Quaeda had been planning something big for a while. They were convinced that it would be at the opening of the cultural center and were preparing security for that. But the stupid video caused a bunch more reaction than even Libyans would have thought and the planned Sept 11th demonstrations dramatically increased in size. al-Queade seized on the moment and launched their attack via flash mob, using the crowd as a cover. There was just complete chaos all around.
4) The Ambassador and a security guard had retreated to the consulate safe room. But the Ambassador did not like sitting around and wanted to be directing his staff. So he and the guard tried to escape through a bathroom window. The guard made it but the Ambassador was overcome by the smoke and died. The killer was not the mortars or the RPGs but rather just plain old smoke from burning furniture in the consulate.
5) Despite the chaos there was one additional support team onsite, another on its way from Tripoli, and a drone overhead in less than 25 minutes after the first gunfire. By that time it was all over and the crowd was actually dispersing. There were no ignored calls for help and no indecision in the chain of command.
6) Once the decision was made, because of the death of the Ambassador, to put the FBI in charge, the investigation simply stopped for about 5-6 days while an FBI team was selected, assembled, and set up onsite. This is just how it is done when there is a death on Federal soil --- it is the FBI's job. But that caused a lag in information that was coming to the press because people were not allowed to tell their story until they had told it to the FBI first. Nobody was getting this information because there was no information to get at that point.
7) On the day after the attack, Obama gave a statement about it in the Rose Garden. In the speech he referred to it in one place as a "terror attack" and in another that it was partially in reaction to the stupid video. Just pointing to one statement or another and disregarding the rest is nonsense.
8) The State Department has requested for the 2011-2012 budget an additional $442 million than the previous year for embassy security improvements and upgrades. The GOP House instead gave them $300 million LESS than the previous year. The delta is $742 million dollars. Someone has to ask --- is that 3/4 of a billion dollar difference a contributing factor?
9) The "CIA Daily Brief [redacted]" on the day Amb. Rice made her statement almost exactly matched, word for word, her statement. So Amb. Rice was telling exactly what she was permitted by law to tell and only that. Sorry, but that's how intelligence works. When you make public statements like that, you give the most current information that can be declassified, and only that. I was an intelligence analyst for ten years and watched many situations "evolve" for weeks as more information and different viewpoints are included.
Republicans --- sorry your guy lost in a landslide --- what was the final score? 332 to 206???? The people have spoken. So don't let us stop you from the complete destruction of the GOP. Methinks that Eisenhower is spinning in his grave at the thought of you guys calling yourself Republicans.
Caesar Augustus- Did you learn word salad the same place FailinPalin did?
and what is "GANGSTA" about "then you have a problem with me."
Tool
thweetingthwits
I like the band, but mainly their older stuff. Oh you're calling me a tool, i see. ouch you got me
The absolute worst kind of Americans in my opinion, to politicize and that is all this is the tragic death of our Ambassador and three Navy Seals, is probably the lowest thing I have seen in my years. Republicans, out in and democrats in to keep this sort of thing from happening again. What a bunch of tools for our enemy's these republicans are. Includes you sirie and Jim 1455434, cement swimming shoes are to good for you people.
The GOP is getting desperate and now they're trying for a repeat of the Clinton impeachment hearings, only substituting Obama and Benghazi for Clinton and Lewinsky. If they don't get their way in the general elections, then they'll try to bring government to a halt and get rid of the President. We all know this is where it's headed, right? We learned from the past, though, and we don't have to go along with it this time. The Repubs were rabid in the 1990s and they still are. Public opinion kept Obama in office this election and public opinion (contacting your repesentatives) can try to keep this situation sane until we can finish the job and vote out the rest of the crazies in two years.
Although I personally think Obama and others in his administration lied to minimize the political fallout just before the election, the election is over and we need to focus on moving the country forward and solving our economic issues. Let the standard panels do their investigations, and if someone doesn't like the results, then we can talk about a special prosecutor.
For now, I want DC focused on the fiscal cliff issues.
Chris,
Not that it would make any difference here, but I hope everyone reads your post calmly and carefully. Especially your conclusion.
What really bugs me about these republicans is that they want a fight, and will turn the slightest excuse for one into a full size brawl..........and if no excuse is available they will create an incident just to have one. And it really really bugs me to see that this is all being orchestrated from the top levels of the plutarchy, people who could really give a schittt less about the common man other than that they need warm bodies on the front line, cannon-fodder for their lines of defense (yes, they are on the defense right now). And what really really really bugs me is that there are so many dumb-assessss out there willing to join their ranks. Dumfux they be.
Caesar, So you can't read very well, can you? What does "how gangbangers use slang" have to do with the quote from the President? The President stated that lawmakers going after Ambassador Rice would "have a problem with me". Where is the gangster language???
Over 4,000 Americans died in Iraq looking for non-existent WMDs. Where was the outrage over that intelligence mishap?
The group responsible for the Benghazi attack was not on anyone's watch list. They were new and trying to make a name for themselves in Libya. The unfortunate timing of the uproar about that stupid anti-Islamic video is a fact, and it certainly could have confused the assumptions and the intelligence data about what happened in Benghazi, who did it and why.
If you think intelligence gathering is a perfect science, I refer you to my previous comment about the 4,000 Americans who died looking for non-existent WMDs that we were assured were there and would be found.
Meanwhile, as the Titanic slowly nosed itself into the icy cold waters of the north Atlantic, a full-scale investigation was launched to determine who stole Mrs. Wainsworth's purse from her stateroom...
yep politicizing, perhaps blind eyes are the best way to see the world. Its people like internet tough guys like Battle Creek John that believe that Obama should rule with ultimate authority. thats ok John, its easy to act tough and talk big with cyberspace in between.
there still is...What about the rage over the Gulf of Tonkin? Perhaps investigating the sinking of the Maine in 1897?
"Undersized" Feisty? Tee Hee.....
I knew I could count on you GOPX to catch it... lol
Chris - great post but don't expect it to make a difference to those like jim or CA who are too set on their goal of putting the President down. Facts do not matter to them! They are very little men!
What an obscene and self serving lie, Sirie. Chris Stevens was found and brought out by Libyans who put their own lives in danger in an attempt to rescue him and who are on video as praising god that they found him alive. He was rushed to a hospital and treated for smoke inhalation. He died a short time later. Miserable cretins such as yourself couldn't care less about the pain and agony the lies they tell cause the families of those who died. You're so busy with your little agenda that you forget how to be human.
Well lets see with the hostile 'you have a problem with me' . I never said Gangsta, i merely noted saying 'gangsta' in reference to Obama's hostile and arrogant tone doesnt make one a racist. what did you say about reading well again?
Aaah, more personal attacks from SeekingSanity and now John in Battle Creek !
The facts remain: After this tragic event, Susan Rice, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton ALL tried to lay blame for the deaths on a film clip. WHY ? If these people did not know the truth behind the attacks, then why would they all participate in laying blame ... such blame later proving to be quite FALSE !
jim - you know no facts and if you did would disregard them as they don't fit your crazed agenda of hatred toward Obama. You are truly sick!
Let's have a vote on which side here is lying the most! You should think that after losing the election due to everyone becoming wise to their lying they would have learned something by now. Just ain't no fixin' stupid, huh?
I guess no one watches "face the nation" "ABC News" "Fox" "CNN" or "NBC", "Al Jazeera" - or the "BBC" and your google must be broke. Don't listen to the Dems or Repubs - be independent and think for yourselves.
is that like a goat asking a pride of lions what's for dinner?
jim dont mind seeking, this is her modus operandi. she wont counter with facts or a sound argument, just belittle and berate you. dont engage the twit and you'll be ok
It never ends with these Republican fools and their rabid supporters. They look for conspiracy under every rock; they have along with Fox Lies turned a terrible American tragedy into a political football. The election is over and they lost so the only reason I can see them doing this, is for revenge.
The Republicans have caused this country so much damage that it can not be easily calculated and they never learn that their in Washington to govern not throw political punches at Democrats at every turn.
These Republican obstructionists must be taken out of the equation so our country can move forward without meaningless political distractions every five minutes…..
The 2014 election can’t come soon enough. That will be our next chance to put our government firmly into the hands of responsible adults ….. Democrats.
Comparing this to 9-11 and the bombing in Beirut is ignorant. Did Reagan or Bush send out on the weekily talk shows someone to lie? NO! This President will NEVER take responsiblity ever. Just like his constituants! Tough talk for a wuss.
Obama said today he sent out Rice to give the best (wrong) information at the time, that the attack was related to the video.
Obama said during the 2nd debate that he claimed it was a terrorist act the day after the attacks, so it wasn't the video.
Rice went out 5 days after the attacks, 4 days after Obama claimed he said it was a terrorist act. These statements are not congruent.
Obama either lied during the debates that he called it a terrorist attack or he purposefully sent out Rice with bad information. Either way he lied to the American people.
Deal with it liberals, you have no ground to stand on.
As for the 9/11 "comparison".... Even Bill Clinton stated Saddam had WMDs prior to 98. The intelligence at the time stated Saddam was working towards more WMDs. Obama's intelligence THE NIGHT OF THE ATTACKS showed there was no protest. Bush/Condi worked off bad intelligence. Obama worked off of completely made up intelligence that was different from what was known the night of the attacks. Not even close to the same situation. Obama made up the facts he chose to put forth to the American People. Bush simply put forth faulty intelligence that even Clinton before him shared.
Castro is looking for a few good revolutionaries. You seem like the type easily duped. So tell me what conspiracy is Benghazi again? Has current admin released its findings of the investigation? Oh i see AL, you want it to quietly go away. I see. Funny AZskibum is still whining about 2002 but thats different right. sure it is Al
There is a test run of this already happening in California and Illinois. Both states are on the road to bankruptcy. How about we wait and see what happens there before pretending it is the best model for the US.
Well Jesse, it won't be long here in Illinois, they are full steam ahead... brick wall approaching fast!
Politics used to end on the water’s edge, not anymore. At least not for posters like Caesar Augustus and Sirie.
The investigation is preceding as it should. The administration is cooperating quickly unlike the previous Sept. 11th attack when it took the victim's wives to speak out and the Bush administration was forced to act. Then the women were called publicity and attention #hores for wanting the truth.
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Four people are dead and Romney and apparently his "followers" are leaping at the chance to score cheap political points. Only a person lower than filth and pond scum would try to use this to get some sort of political bounce. xyz, 123 have you no shame?
Four people are dead, don't know if they were D, R or I but they were Americans. I am saddened that their service to the country cost them their lives; equally saddened that partisan hacks would look to this tragedy without compassion only seeing a political opening. Let me ask you this when those people were fighting to survive, during the throes of death do you think they were thinking about politics? I would bet they were thinking about their families having their lives flash before them. My thoughts and prayers to the families.
Anyone who would use this as a source of an attack has no morals, no compassion, no shame. People who would point to this and say it is Obama's fault and try to use this are disgusting. The official statement condemned the attacks.
That being said, strengthen the defenses, give the marine guards more reinforcements in our embassies, give them full authorization to use deadly force at their discretion (rules of engagement) etc.
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Based on the following few days I have decided to not respond to trolls or to those who only wish to taunt ridicule. blame and scream.
I will not jump to conclusions, like some presidential candidates, have done recently. I do not know if you are such a person so I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
You do know that daily briefings go with the president? Until otherwise found that Obama deliberately ignored direct messages like " Al Quaida intent on attacking within Libyan embassy" as his predecessors ignored, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Before 9/11 of this year there were warnings and statements issued to be on the alert. Precautions obviously were done, but they were not sufficient in Libya. Hopefully the armed reinforcements can bolster our defenses.
Yes Obama still has my vote. Although I wasn't enthused about our involvement in Libya; that is past. I am hopeful that our President does the right thing and continues to showcase a calculating, level headed approach to these new challenges. All Americans should do the same, we learned that after 9/11/01 Democrats and Republicans joined together in song to song lifting their voices to America the Beautiful. Eleven years later the only voices I hear are the angry jeers, taunts and insults from the right.
#1.109 - Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:02 AM CDT
you see, it is not the act... it is the cover up.
admit a mistake, the American people will forgive. Try to hide it, they will treat you as scum.
Jim: WHY would our guys 'blame' the video for what happened in Libya?
How about the fact that the video caused similar-looking protests across the middle East? How about the fact that when our guys got to the site of the murders, they found a protest over the video going on there?
Do you think the video had no effect in the middle East, that all the other simultaneous protests had nothing to do with the video?
The State Department was watching it live. The Libyan government confirmed AL QAEDA was involved within 24 hours. Perhaps YOU can tell me WHY ?
Quite frankly, Republicans are full of poop.
To sirie and you other morons: Stop spewing your vile lies about the treatment of Ambassador Stevens. He was taken to the hospital by Libyan people who were trying to save his life. Most of the people of Benghazi greatly respected him. Your besmirching his reputation with the disgusting perverterd crap you're vomiting into this discussion.
TO: GOPKnuckledraggers who wrote:
Right on!
Was it a Consulate or a CIA facility?
American Girl- Republicans are full of Poop!
It must be sad to wake up every day as Republicans do - trying to think of some new lie to throw at the President but knowing there will be imbeciles like CA & jim who will latch onto it and ride it for all it's worth. It's truly a sad little party of disgruntled old men who are beyond pathetic. They're all NUTS! They've gone the way of Donald Trump - beyond irrelevant and bordering on insane!
Sure a plot for revenge, ROFLMAO
BTW, Wasn't Mr Obama the "Revenge" candidate?
Perhaps the truth from the administration would suffice, unlike what happened regarding Fast & Furious.
For you to speak of liars is rich, considering democrats worship of "Slick Willy" Clinton the former liar-in-chief.
Shellback - I remember Clinton as well as the hypocrites from the right who were trying to impeach him for doing what they were doing at the time - Gingrich; Starr; the entire impeachment panel - without exception. And, let's not forget McCain who cheated on his first wife with his now wife.
Go away - you've got no game! Yours is the party of misfits!
Can we bring back the original 9-11? What was our president doing? What kind of investigations were made against him? Bill Clinton had a more difficult time, and that only had to do with his fricken sex life! Honestly! Count me in when we have the party of Lincoln back, in the mean time you fools will get what you deserve. You had your chance at a fiscally conservative President, the Republican party blew it but you still stood by them. I think you will stand by anything that Fox "news" tells you to. You call the Democrats "kool-ade" drinkers, but you people are the real "kook-ade" drinkers. Until you loonies let go, we will never have a fiscally conservative party in the White House again.
NOTE TO CONSERVATIVES:
Please don't bother to serve your fellow countrymen. The last time you had the presidency the American people lost their standard of living and millions of jobs. The economy was tanked and socialized when Dubya signed the capitalism killing, unfunded/unbudgeted bailouts into law! You guys started deficit spending and increasing the debt with unfunded trillion dollar wars and Medicare Part D! During the mid-terms you ran on and were elected to create jobs, jobs, jobs, but didn't create any, all the while blaming Obama! Conservatives promised to make Obama a one term president and soon he'll start his second term. You conservatives ran a multi-million dollar campaign and insulted the voters with your rhetoric, lies, distortions, blame game, disillusions, ideology, intolerance/unacceptance of others, and undefined/dubious promises of tax breaks for everyone and revenue increases and promising to replace "Obamacare" with "something else!" You guys have continuously failed time and again. Regardless of how much money was thrown into it or the character of the people affiliated. Wake up fools! You are not helping your image, message, party, nor the American people!
The relards lost the election. They lost seats in the senate. If they can get President Obama to choose somebody else besides Susan Rice for sec. of state, what they are doing now will be successful. The President has to choose someone the be the sec. of state. After looking at everybody he decides on John Kerry, who wants the job, Sen. Kerry takes the post. There is a empty seat in the senate from Mass. They will have to have an election. Who do you think the relards will choose to run, how about Scott Brown, he would have a good chance. How much money do you think would be spent getting him elected, boatloads!!
So, following a crushing loss in the November election the House GOP is leaping into action and shooting itself in the foot? Didn't they learn that shrill, pointless histrionics and dirty lies aren't going to make them look like anything except losers? No? Well, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Look at their dwindling base of supporters. It's obvious they're losers, after all.
Feisty - Like your new avatar.
Thanks Kim!
That is my Pookie cat waiting for her Tiramasu after Easter dinner two years ago...
My little baby girl has a massive "sweet tooth" as you can see! ☺
Obama is a proven liar and someone finally openly called him on it. It's about time that someone was willing to call a spade...a spade. Too bad the Press isn't so courageous.
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When the Bush administration was informed men of middle eastern descent were training in Florida fight schools to fly Jumbo jets but weren't concerned with learning how to land it wasn't pursued. When these same men flew planes into the twin towers and Pentagon it was reported on but the entire nation was too busy pulling together and supported our president. I guess democrats are just better Americans than republicans. You should be ashamed.
The economy is in shambles, the stock market is down 10%, the unemployment rate is up again, our Ambassador was killed, the White House covered up the reason for the disaster in Benghazi, and that’s all they have to talk about: ethics?
This is a Democrat Administration. The Monica rule applies - the commander in chief can have all the sex he wants in the Oval Office and his appointees can do the same. It is the Democrat Party Way. Sex with some woman you look down at is the norm. Liberal women love Obama, Clinton and the sex they get. I don't get it!
Why did Obama get the women vote when he treats them like sex objects? Did the news media lie about Obama's real motives? Probably. The media loves Obama, loves illicit sex, loves hate, and loves corruption - they sell the news. So stupid people were told by the truth terrorist news media to vote for Obama and free sex!
At least the republicans are telling the truth about it, yes I had a sexual affair unlike someone else I remember saying " I did not have sexual relations with that woman" , Clinton lied to congress and you people think he is some kind of honorable man, sorry to burst your bubble but open your eyes to the truth.
Well, now women get free contraceptives and gay can marry. And that should put bread on the table of the unemployed. Meanwhile, the fiscal cliff draws nearer, and war is erupting in the Gaza strip. Republicans have their priorities, though-- and those priorities are always focused on someone else's crotch. We are truly the laughingstock of the world.
Sanity - "BJ" Clinton is not referred to as the "liar-in-chief" for his adultry and penchant for liking interns on their knees servicing him, but because he commited purjury. You speak of misfits - he is great example of a misfit (draft dodger, sexual predator, adulterer, and liar), probably the only thing that would have a made such a reprehensible meatsack more loved by democrats would have been if he had been married to the traitor-bitch "Hanoi Jane" Fonda.
You are dismissed.
How dare the Republicans accuse Obama of lying, don't they know he is King?
Truth is a beautiful thing...anyone want ALL of it? Sure as hell isn't the left, and much of the right isn't a lot better. Bottom line on this one...four are dead. Under who's watch? Let me guess...blame George Bush. It's always someone else's fault under this idiot. Anyone over the age of 12 (physically or intellectually) care to stick to the subject? What a waste you losers are!
Where exactly did the Obama administration lie or cover anything up?
Rice nearly word for word told the world what was in the CIA briefing. This is the information that the CIA had. This is what they told world -- a bit prematurely yes, but they went with the information they were being given.
There is no evidence of a cover up. And all people have served up in these comments sections as "evidence" are things that have long been debunked.
But that's alright -- let some of the Republicans double down on their extremism and crazy. The more they do it, the more likey we'll be seeing the back of them come the next election.
As for the deaths -- absolutely a @!$%# up. And both Obama and Clinton took responsibility.
I expected some sore-loser lack of decorum, BUT, even my BS detector is beeping about Benghazi. I want the truth, and I don't care whose career it ends.
Sunshine's the best disinfectant there is; it's well past the time to shine some on the Federal government.
@ sirie:
President Barack Obama bluntly told Sen. John McCain and other Republicans to lay off their attacks against U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice over the Benghazi assault, telling lawmakers that if they go after her "then you have a problem with me."
You said:
"Sounds GANGSTA, doesn't he?"
No, sounds kind of like a cowboy.
You righties and Obama haters loved the cowboy style tough talk, when it came from Reagan, Bush,and Eastwood(for the Romney campaign).
Yet when Obama talks tough, he's equated with being a "GANGSTA".
And then you wonder why you get called out for being bigots.
I love it when the light gets shined on the lefties , they scurry like cockroaches!
I laugh at righties/GOP/TEA trying to blame Obama for 4 American deaths on foreign soil in Benghazi....
when they all gave the Bush Admin. a pass for over 3000 American deaths in NYC on 9/11/2001.
Hypocrites, the lot of ya.
Rice will not be acceptable. I thought Obama wanted to reach out and be the great healer - he won't be doing that by pushing this woman on the Republican supporters. Why on earth would he pick someone so controversial? That was either misguided or a deliberately provocative action on the part of the president.
I don't know if we had the capability when Ronald Reagan was president, but what I find the most disturbing is the fact that the president watched, in real time, seven hours of attack on our Ambassador and did nothing to help. That needs to be fully investigated and dealt with appropriately.
This is ridiculous. Quit trying to hide the facts which are:
- 4 Americans were killed after repeatedly asking for more security.
- The Obama administration/State Department denied that additional security.
- The killing was done in a terrorist act.
- The administration lied that it was a video causing the attack and not a purposeful, terrorist incident.
Why did Obama and his folks lie?
This is why the fool Obama and his merry band of idiots should never have been allowed back in the country, much less the White House.
Obama won his re-election...and by less than the first time. Nothing changed: Obama is in the WH, the Senate is controlled by the Dems and the House is controlled by the GOP.
The only "new" aspect is that we are seeing even more rapidly the incompetence of the Administration and the demise of the USA at an even faster rate.
Benghazi, failure in providing support to the folks after Hurricane Sandy (Obama's new nickname is now "Brownie") and the Petraeus affair. Yep, the 2nd Obama term is off to the start we expected.
You sir are are EXACTLY what's wrong with Republicans and why people like me despise them. You flat out refuse to admit you either don't know or are deliberately lying to us.
First of all, there were no Marines guards because it wasn't an embassy. The embassy is in Tripoli and there are Marines there. Second, the diplomatic security personal there at the time DID have ammunition and they DID fire at the attackers. The myth that they had no ammo was debunked the same day it came out. Why you and some others flat out refuse to admit that, I have no f*cking clue. But it sure as hell demonstrates that it's useless to believe a word that comes from your mouth.
No matter what any of you say, ALL of the people in Washington D.C. are liars and will do WHATEVER it takes to make the other party look bad. NOT ONE of them are working to better the economy or lives of the average American family!
I don't recall saying anything about what Bush has to do with President Obama. Maybe you should try reading my post again. How old are you?
That's a weak argument "Soldiers are armed," so you're saying ambassadors are damn fools? Stevens knew better than most diplomats in the American Foreign Service the problems facing Libya after the fall of Colonel Qaddafi. Stevens knew the "hot-bed" he accepted in Libya, armed, or un-armed, that's a risk of the Foreign Service for ambassadors.
Nothing I say will change your racism towards President Obama, so, have at it. He's America's President, and I respect that position as I have respected it since I've first voted in 1972 for President Nixon.
WOW Chris died twice once on the scene and latter in the hospital poor man that make one more dead. If you say the republican lie best not lie yourselves. So when did he die?? make your mind up.
This is exactly what I mean --
Seymour,
The drone didn't show up until two hours after the attacks began. A U.S. Security team was sent from from the Embassy to help, meanwhile Marines were directed to deploy from several other areas. How exactly did they do nothing?
So let me get this straight:
The President and the Administration lying about nukes in Iraq and forcing 1000s of young Americans to die in Iraq is acceptable, but the President and the Administration waiting until all the facts were in on the deaths of 4 Americans before declaring what exactly happened is not?
You know what this reminds me of? Whenever a small child doesn't get the toy he wants and goes into a blind rage. They're so angry over the smallest things that their immaturity leads them to make stuff up.
I'm not surprised. When Clinton was reelected, the first thing Republicans did was trump of some bull@!$%# "scandal" to try to impeach him (and this was all before Lewinsky). If Republicans are willing to commit voter fraud to try to steal elections and spend billions of dollars to buy elections, why wouldn't they make up stuff to impeach Obama?
Just another example of the democratic party refusing to take accountability.
I just have some questions.
First have you followed the time line and the public comments coming from the Whitehouse about Benghazi? if so do you see a pattern that could have mislead the American public to deduce that a little know video was the cause of the conflict? Even days after the event Susan Rice is still intimating the claim on national television. The President acts and with in a couple of days the person who made the video is arrested. What about the people who have now vanished from the scene that actually caused the deaths? NPR on the day of the attack confirmed this was a planned event with little or no public outcry on the video. Does that matter? If you are tasked with the security of the men and women under your command the the answer is yes. Was there a breakdown in getting resources to the scene? Again the answer seems to be yes. An AC-130 was less than one hour away and other resources were left to rent a plane for the ride to Benghazi and then got stuck at the airport trying to arrange rides to the scene. Does this really sound like a prepared response given the situation and the communications requesting more security in the previous days and weeks? I think the response shows some real problems what about you?
In the end are we going to ever be able to talk to each other and ask real questions to prevent more deaths or are we going to go for each others throat? If you think this episode is charged just wait until we fall over the fiscal cliff. People might take to the streets looking for some payback. What then? Are you going to rely on partisanship to have your back? I would prefer we handle this together as Americans not Republicans or Democrats or Independents or whatever. As it is right now we are fast becoming the Divided States of America. The biggest problem is a lack clear leadership in the country at all levels and all parties.
I watched all the coverage on Benghazi that was shown on CBS, NBC, etc.. From Susan Rice, to Hillary clinton to Obama speaking on it. I carefully watched what they all said. Including what Obama said in the Rose Garden and what he and Hillary both said when the bodies of 4 fallen Americans were returned to Andrews air force base. I also read from numerous sources what Mr. Woods had to say about his murdered son and exactly what he thought about the whole thing. I watched this all from news sources liberals can't claim are rethugilcan etc.. The PEOPLE of America were lied to about these attacks being the results of that ridiculous video, plain and simple. I think many people just want to know WHY lie??? WHY blame it on the video?? IT's become pretty clear that the government knew from day one that the video was not responsible and people want to know why the administration thinks the general public is supposed to buy into it? I'm really sick of hearing it's the best information they had at the time. Just have the hearings, tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and then be down with it and move on to how the adminsistration ensures that something like this never happens again. To all the bashers out there don'twaste anybodys' time with ridiculous, juvenile and hate filled reponses, this is my opinion, don't care what anyone else thinks about it and I'm not attacking anyone elses opinions that I don't agree with. So be adults and discuss the article please!!!! Way too many grade school commentors posting on these articles.!!! Actually really liked post #1.129 by notsosure10. Makes points without acting 10 years old.
ALL mosts ALL of the posts on her further substantiate that inbreeding reduces any the person's cognitive and thought process.
Regrettably, when YOUR gene pool drops to negative numbers, you are ALWAYS operating at a deficit... and will for generations!
THE FACTS are there was loss of American lives in Benghazi.** REPEATED requests for additinal security fell on deaf ears! **AS the events unfolded, they were watched in real time. CHECK your PROTOCOLS! IF they are monitioring in real time, THEY KNOW THERE IS REASON TO BELIEVE that dangers are present or SOON to be present.****Obama, Biden,Cinton,Rice,Kerney all paraded out and emphatically stated it wa the cause of a TWO BIT UTube video. ***WITHIN 48 HOURS, the Libian Government said it was TERRORISM, not a spontanious reaction. ...Obama and crew were still swearing to it being a spontanious reaction. ***One week later FBI get into the scene of the attack and finds little. NEWS organizations pilfer through it and FIND documents that supoport the statements that the Embassador and the people there were PLEADING with Obama's crew for help and asking WHY security was pulled in the fist place.
IN the early 1970's we had the Mia Lai MASSACRE in Nam. THE wreckless liberal crew of Dan Rather and Fred Graham mercilessly went after LT William Calley and the U S Army. The results were charges against Lt Calley and impisionment at Ft Benning, later to be dropped on appeal.
In the 70's we had a second rate burglary called Watertgate!... NO ONE WAS KILLED IN WATERGATE! YET, and again,Crnkite,Rathers,Graham, all mercilessly hounded Nixon and ANYONE that was associated with the coverup!
Spiro Agnew,Nixon's first VP, was chased for months by the liberal media about income tax evasion as Governor of Maryland. Agnew finally resigned, Jerry Ford wsas confirmed as VP.
1972, George McGovern nominates SenatorThomas Eagleton of Missouri as VP. The liberal,mean spirited press again hounded Eagleton about past mental health treatment issues of Depression. THE PRESS HAD TO KNOW and expose it all. Thomas Eagleton withdraws from ticket and McGovern chooses Sargeant Shriver and goes on to lose in a landslide to Nixon.
WITH THOSE ESTABLISHED FACTS, comes a very serious question. WHY does the press and the supporters of Obama, NOT HAVE THE PASSION to now find out the truth about Benghazi?? WHY are these pathogens of society so willing to ignore and pretend as though nothing happened and it is ALL SOMEONE ELSE FAULT as well as falsely accusing everyone of manufacturing the story???
ONLY viable answer: Pathological and Physcotic liars that are at risk for delusional behavior, as it relates to pshycosis behavior.
Obama and Rice repeated what the CIA told them. The CIA brief (or at least excerpts from it) are even available online. The CIA believed it was due to the video. Obama and Rice told everyone what the CIA told them.
So.. how exactly did Obama and Rice lie?
No one actually answer this question. They just keep shouting "LIE!" and "COVER UP!" despite the fact that we KNOW that the CIA blamed it on the video. In fact, Rice nearly WORD for WORD said exactly what was in the CIA briefing when she made that annoucement. If there was any lie or cover up, it would be the CIA doing it. And why would they bother?
The point is this -- there is no cover up. There was no lying. Obama and Rice repeated what the intelligence community was telling them. The intelligence community was wrong. The only reason for an investigation is to understand why four people died in the first place. And yes, that should be investigated. All the rest of this? People politicizing a tragedy.
bullybeater63 You are exactly right, Both parties are to blame for the mess this Country is in. They do not care about the American People and are unwilling to sit down and compromise to make polices and bills that will help us have a better life. Noone will or should get everything they want as this Country is made up of a very diverse population , with different views and cultures. For myself I am a Democrat who will be changing parties and becoming an Independent. I am ashamed of the way the Democrats and Republicans have been lying, misleading the facts and just plain meaness when they are addressing each other. This Country has a need for a leaders (including the President) who is truely willing to sit down and listen to all sides and then make the best decision possible with all Americans in mind. Americans need to understand there has to be compromises and sacrafices made by all. For those that cannot truely take care of themselves we the people need to help them, for those who are taking advantage of the social programs you need to make every attempt at helping yourselves and as Americans we need to guide them in the right direction, sometimes with tough love. Everyone has to do their share in making this great Country great again. The name calling (members of both parties do this) needs to stop, just because someone is Religious, Gay, Minority, Conservative or Liberal does not mean all this hate (again both parties) should be thrown at each other. Remember a house divided will eventually fall and there will be no winners.
Faux says its True so they believe. They want to believe because its the Kenyan Muslim devil. The election has taught them nothing. Faux Spews hate and the righties regurgitate. The righties are drunk on Faux. Turn off Faux. They are sponsoring an insurrection Screw their right to free speech.
Pat in Boston
Just remember that most of thoughs Republican senators terms are up next year!
The ones that lied
Bush/cheney lied a verified 935 times before the Iraq Abortion. Republicons are ok with that.
Bush/cheney outed the CIA agent in charge of the team looking for WMD. That spy network was destroyed and good people died. It took years to rebuild the spy network because no one trusted bush/cheney. Republicons are ok with that.
Republicons signed a prty over country pledge to Emperor Norquist and do their worst to extend their Great Recession. Republicons are ok with that.
Republicons are un-American traitors.
@ Al in Visalia CA post 1.4
For the last 4 years Republicans have failed to come up with a single plan that will work and time and time again have claimed they have the answer but won't tell us what it is. Now they are out raged about something they are responsible for but in order to keep the heat off their backs this is how the act. You are absolutely right it's time to fire every one of their lying @sses. In the next election if anyone even mentions the Republican Party they should be run out of town? Either come up with new ways to work and new ideas or find a job telling lies that seems to be what they are best at. BTW, Romney did create 12 million jobs and every one of them is comedians.
According to the 3 guards in a statement they gave before they were murdered, they were all seperated and not with the ambassador at the time of the attack. They confused the actual attack with being the demonstrators that had been demonstrating outside the embassy all day. Some of the demonstrators joined in the attack with the terrorists but only after the terrorists had breached the embassy.
The guards went back to find the ambassador but were not successful. They could not find him. These three guards were initially aided out of the embassy and murdered in a mortar attack later. Hours after the actual attack began.
The point being that yes, there was a demonstration outside the embassy that day so Ms. Rice never lied about that. John MCcain is nothing more than a traitor that turned on his country when he was captured. His patheticness should never have been eligible for a janitorial job within our government let alone running his know nothing mouth. He is the very source that brought the american taliban into our government.
SINCE NO ONE in the ADMIN or most of the agencies can be trusted or believed ( it is most unfortunate this has happened but the LIAR in our white house is the blame) THEN it would be to OUR COUNTRIES BENEFIT to have a PANEL of AMERICAN CITIZENS---THOSE who WERE BORN HERE--be APPOINTED --from EACH STATE---to conduct ANY INVESTIGATIONS---INCLUDING INTO what and WHEN THEOBAMA knew ----and WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE DONE instead of the LIES that continue to spout from his mouth.
OH AND BTW---all the obama kool-aid drinkers REALLY should read the crap he has supposed to have written--WE also have a .........
SHOUT to ALL you ABAMA KOOL-AID DRINKERS---YOU WILL get what YOU PAID FOR---ya might even learn a lesson about RIGGING ELECTIONS--THEY DO HAVE CONSEQUENCES----YOUR little TIN GOD is NOT BLACK and WHITE---he is 40% ARAB and 10% AFRICAN NEGRO--all you have to do is READ up on the LIAR.
My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. He is the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). Go to:
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OBAMA SAID--I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
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Cite a reputable source for your allegation, sirie.
Spreading an unfounded rumor like that is disgraceful! You owe an apology to the family of Ambassador Stevens. There is such a thing as going too far. Lies have consequences.
When after a while we start seeing the same talking points and same phrases coming from the Repubs, all doubt will be gone that this hysteria is being coordinated behind the scenes to try to distract the country and Congress from anything constructive being done on Obama's watch. I believe the Repubs now have their sights on two years from now and trying to take the Senate and I also believe that a coordinated effort to distract the public with a made-up conspiracy would have the stink of Karl Rove all over it. After all, he's had a lot of splaining to do and it's either salvage his political career or try to find another job. All he's qualified for is playing childish pranks -- not many job openings for that except in the Republican party.
The Republicans have a choice. They can grow up, acknowledge they lost the general election, and work with the Democrats both in helping this country out of the recession, and trying to find out what happened in Benghazi so nothing like it can happen again elsewhere. Or they can repeat their behavior from the time of the Clinton hearings all the way through today, in other words, act like spoiled brats.
Hello! Do you remember Bush sending Colin Powell to the U.N. to deliver the trumped-up WMD 'evidence'? Talk about being thrown under the bus.
sirie, you said it. So go ahead and admit your mistake. Admit that you spread a filthy lie about Ambassador Stevens. If you don't, expect to be treated like scum.
Those on the left. You guys are terrible when it comes to name calling. You talk about the right like they are thugs and murders. Obama has dodged questions on this better than Barry Sanders dodged Ourtacklers. That just makes everyone want the answers that much more. I think there is little question he is playing politics and delaying the truth coming out to after the election. I am sure the right has done something similar at another time. We do need the truth on this. Four Americans died and it appears we did little before the attack to provide security. And it appears we didn't do much during the attack to help them, though the ambassador and his assistant could not have been saved based on what has come out. 9/11 was an event that no one could have believed would happen on either side. That is not comparable to this in any way. I would like to know what happened. Obama keeps appearing like he is dodging this. He may not be and it may all be explainable. I just wish for everyone the truth would come out. I do find it funny that now the left is accusing the right of not spending enough on defense/security. That is a new one! We need both sides to get on with other issues, so I hope the truth comes soon, so we can move on to some reasonable settlement on the budget. I have friend on both the left and the right and all those that I know are good people. And the truth is most of us could agree on a lot of things and compromise on many others. Obama has not been a leader. The senate has not done its job. The house is always full of more partisan folks, which isn't all bad. We need people on both sides who want to mix it up a little, but then we need to get things done. Obama has been a dissappointment to me. He won re-election fair and square. He now needs to act like a leader and lead our country. He can not keep blaming others. As my dad used to say, "excuses only please those who make them." Let's get this country moving....reduce the deficit, cut entitlement and military spending. Fix the horrible tax code. Compromise on some modest tax increases for the wealthy, which by the way sells well politically but does little so solve the deficit and jobs problem, but whatever, compromise on it and lets move on. Our country is headed toward a Greece like financial implosion and we need our President to act like and be a leader more than ever. Get the people's work done and both sides stop the non-sense.
i dont understand what more the republicans are looking for. during the second debate obama said the buck stops with him, he acknowledged that hillary took the blame but at the end of the day the buck stops with him. he then pounded romney and others for accusing his administration of deliberately putting the gaurds and ambassador in harms way. then romney had his tail between his legs on the subject from there on out. What more does the knuckledragging right wing tea baggers want? apperently obama should discover and build the first working time machine, grab an m16 and go to libya himself to hold off the attack. even then im sure theyd complain because he was handing out free bullets to terrorist skulls. give a break morons. you lost 2 seats in the senate, 8 seats in the house and the presidency. NOBODY LIKES YOU.
sirie, it appears that you have no more concern for truth than the repubs demonstrated on the house floor today. However, your homophobia is bubbling over. Please do find a more approrpriate vine in which to vent your homophobic ignorance. Your disrespect for our ambassador is despicable.
Excellent comment, DOCJT.
sirie has made a complete fool of himself just to score points on FR with the other right wing conspiracy theory lunatics. Has anything more pathetic ever been attempted here? He has disgraced the memory of a fine public servant who gave his life for our country. What a shameful and disgusting waste of time!
sirie should be banned from NewsVine.
House Representative Dana Rohrabacher (R-Orange County, CA) was the first to claim Obama "personally lied."
Rohrabacher was an anarchist in college, and the only job he's ever had in 26 years has been in the House; the only reason he keeps getting elected is, Orange County is the only splotch of red--and the proudest-to-be-red county in the nation--in a sea of blue coastline. His German name tells neo-Nazis and skinheads here he's their man. (Expat Nazis settled in Orange County in huge numbers as they escaped the Allies during both world wars; in the 1930s, Anaheim, also a German name, was a model city for the KKK-only one member of the police force wasn't KKK and all city officials were.)
Elected 13 times, he no longer even puts up signs during campaign seasons; his re-election is ensured by years of district gerrymandering.
He's a failed human being. Now he's being used as one of many GOP attack dogs, to throw anything at our president that might have a chance at sticking.
Next Darrell Issa'll be bringing back Ken Starr--these despicable men and their party have been revealing themselves over and over again--but at last, after decades, people are beginning to see them clearly for the first time.
Bush brought us two wars, abandoned one, and six months after 9/11 said Osama bin Laden was "irrelevant," and he didn't care where he was. Our embassies were attacked and people died a dozen times while he was in office.
The Obama administration asked for $44o million to protect our embassies in preparation for 9/11's most recent anniversary, and THE TEABAGGIN' CONGRESS DENIED $300 millions requested for security.
The blood on GOP hands will never wash off. Romney announced Chris Stevens' death to the world before the family had even been notified--just to score political points. They have no shame.
And they have the gall to talk about leeches at the public teat! HAH!
18 US soldiers were electrocuted in Iraq by Haliburton. What do you say we allow that AC-130 shoot up Haliburton's corporate headquarters?
If you put Sirie on ignore it doesn't mean that you have anything against koalas. You still get to see the picture, you just don't have to read the nonsense. Try it, you might like it.
McCain is completely unhinged, he's gone from hero to zero. Country first my ass. After the Palin debacle, he should have retired and maintained any dignity he had left. You can now count the number of sane republicans on one hand. Most are wasting the people's time on bitter and futile attempts at politcal gain and promoting failed ideology. Where are the jobs Mr. Boehner? Hell None. And McConnell, now that your number one priority has failed miserably, what is your number 2 priority? Bet it has nothing to do with making the country better. Time has come to leave this pale and stale party in the catacombs of history. We need to mobilize like never before. Vote these guys out, of the senate, of the house, and out of governerships. This is the only way to move forward.
People can ask the simple question: is where is the outrage for the US military killed in Iraq, that we attacked, for never found Weapons of Mass Destruction? We engaged in this action on a lie! I am not questioning the deaths of our military in Afghanistan, since they were harboring enemies that attacked us. I am not happy for the deaths of any our US citizens in the service of our country, but am totally upset with the bickering that our government does pointing its finger at each other, at our dead citizens expense. Find the problem, FIX it , don't let it happen again!! STOP the US against THEM, and work towards the betterment of OUR country!!!
It is alarming and sad that most Democrats and some Republicans are in a state of denial as to Barack Hussein Obama can do no wrong. We have a government that is so divided that it is dangerous to the very survival of our Country.
The Country will not survive 4 more years of Barack Obama.
Were it not for the Democrats and the liberal media, he would be impeached for the Benghazi and Petreaus issues and the many lies to the American people.
It is unbelievable that 59 million people are either ignorant or oblivious to what is happening and openly suggest more of the same.
Strike one: Valerie Jarrett (a nobody) receives better protection than US Ambassador Stevens did.
Strike two: Benghazi was attacked a total of four times during the months of April - June, 2012.
Strike three: Ambassador Stevens asked for more help weeks before the terrorist attack on 9/11/12.
I want to know what happened before, during and after the Benghazi attack on 9/11/12.
Zathrose-----Comment #1.108
Your standing ovation only includes you...
And to your statement about this being the first time Obama was called a liar, well that's not very accurate..
Remember the congressman from IL Joe Walsh ? He was the first....And he got no ovation..
This was the first time a U.S. President was so dissed by a lawmaker during the State of the Union...
By the way are undocumented workers getting free health-care through the ACA A.K.A. Obamacare ?
No, I don't think so.....That is why Joe Walsh (R) IL is now driving up the unemployment numbers in his home state...
You see he and you and your tired A$$ Political Party (GOP) if that's what you call it are the liars and are beginning to be recognized as such, just wait till 2014 you'll see..
And BTW I guess in GOP land a terrorist attack can never be related to a video and nobody attacking the consulate could have been enraged by said vid, and terrorist attacks can never be spontaneous or have multiple reasons, And to add to that I guess if a bunch of people storm a building during a protest and blow it up that is not an act of terror? It is now called a spontaneous event ? Not to mention the protests going on all over the world starting at the same time and also at our diplomatic locales that were very much related to the video.......Hmmmmmm I guess Obama let them attack the consulate to keep the election close ?
You people(Had to use Queen Ann's lingo) need to order new Kevlar lined foil hats 'cause the old ones are leaking or something...
And in finality to the racist above who doesn't understand the difference between gangster and gangsta'...I believe you do know the difference and used the Ebonics spelling of the word as a dog whistle jive at our President....BTW he is Gangsta and that is what is needed to check the GOP(And that includes all grumpy old white people,not just the ones in the GOP) and keep them in line , and try to get them working on legislation that will keep our country vibrant and return us to Geo-political viability in the future, because it sure has taken a long time just to get the ship(Our Great Country) turned around back in the right direction....And to think some where around 50 million people voted to take us backwards with a weirdo at the helm at that...
Radcliff, you mean to say the New York Times has come running to Obama's defnse? No way!!! lol
If you want real facts, might I suggest a news organization with journalistic integrity?
It is far past time for "the Republican Brand" to carry a warning label ... "HAZARDOUS TO YOUR MENTAL HEALTH"
This is why I stepped away from supporting either side - I can still live a liberal life without all the bull @!$%#.
If you people would step outside of your bubbles and see what the rest of us see - you would know how @!$%#ed up you all are.
Ah yes, my lovely state of California....how are we doing. Lets see.
Statewide unemployment: Sep 2012 10.2%
Fresno County: Sep 2012 13.1%
State Deficit this fiscal year only $1.9 Billion (Revised from a previous $15-$20 Billion because of new taxes....wait to see what it really turns out to be)
State Total Debt (and this is from the very liberal SF Gate- Hello can you get any more liberal than San Francisco??): At least $265 Billion. Up to Over $700 Billion due to unfunded pension liabilities [Base Debt of Aprox $77 Billion plus unfunded pension liabilities]. (Note, the article was written in Jan 2011 so im sure its gone up since then).
Dems have controlled the Assembly continually since 1996 (Since 1956 republicans have controlled it for 6 years- So in the past 56 YEARS the Republicans have had control for only 6 of them).
Dems have controlled the State Senate continually since 1971(There were 2 republicans in 1969-1970, prior to that the last republican controlled state senate was 1956- So for the Past 56 YEARS Rep have only had control for 2 years! And yet people blame them for California LOL)
Since 1996 (that is 16 years for my fellow California public education graduates):
4 Governors- 2 Rep, 2 Dem
5 Lt Governors- 1 Rep, 4 Dem
Big Wig Washington Senators since 1956:
6 Rep
6 Dem Sound pretty even....except:
(D) Feinstein [Class 1] has been a Senator since 1992- (20 years straight)
(D) Boxer [Class 3] was elected in 1993- (19 years straight) and her predecessor who was a (D) Came into power in 1969! Thats 43 STRAIGHT YEARS of a Democratic senator!
Point being, the Dems have been running the show in California for decades. DECADES. So if you want to blame the Republicans for something stick to Texas. My great SINKING ship of California has had democrats at the Helm the entire time.
Where do you people come up with this crap,no ammo??
When I was in basic training, our drill sargent told all of us, this is no game, all of you are soldiers of the United States of America. When they send us into any hotspot, we do-not feed the hungry, we do-not comfort the sick, all we do is kill and destroy!!
Ask any vet or current soldier if they were ever sent to any hotspot without ammo!!
No ammo crap, is just that, crap
it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that you DONT give classified information to Susan Rice who is representing the white house in statements to the American people and you DO give classified information to CIA members and NOT think that SOMEONE is lying and trying to cover up the death of 4 Americans!
Break out the buckets, we are knee deep in BS!!!!
I hope for your sake that you have a plan in place then, kkkwilson.
Leave! Go! Find another country on this green Earth that will take you. Good luck with that.
Or you could grow up, accept reality, and work together with the winners for the good of the U.S.A.
At the very least you could quit whining and learn to lose gracefully. That big 'L' on your forehead is really not attractive.
Jack in Portsmouth - See...The sad part of America is that there is no longer right and wrong that both parties agree on. It is now...."My guy can lie, cheat, or let Americans die because he has a D in front of his name."
This is where we are. It's party first. Laws no longer matter unless he belongs to the other guys party...then we should throw the book at them. That's why we're failing. A violation of the law is a violation of the law and you should hold both Dems & Reps to it.
As long as you maintain your love of party over the law & America, nothing will ever change.
Who is lying, cheating and letting Americans die? You're way off base. Do you actually expect the POTUS to get a gun and go defend our diplomatic posts himself? Why didn't congress provide the funds that were requested by the State Department to enhance our posts overseas? Where is your outrage for that?
Your GOP phony outrage over Benghazi is a sick, disgusting joke!
Who started a bloody war against the wrong country after 9/11/2001? How many thousands of Americans have died and been wounded, both physically and emotionally since then? How many innocent Iraqis have been killed? How did the invasion of Iraq affect our Middle East relations? We are still paying the price for Cowboy Dubbya's little adventure in lies and stupidity.
No one paid for Abu Ghraib. Rumsfeld was worse than useless as SOD. Where was your outrage then? Did you see the picture of the hooded Iraqi prisoner being tortured on the cover of Time Magazine? Where was your outrage then?
Love of party? Take a good, long look in the mirror, pal.
God, I really just hate all of you.
Two sides, each completely full of s**t, neither willing to admit to the possibility that they might be wrong. Back-and-forth arguments filled with media "buzzwords" in attempts to appear smarter than whichever idiot your opinion has ruffled the feathers of today. I don't know why I even look at these posts, they're bloody depressing. Screw it, I need to go surfing today and scrape this contemptible dross out of my mind and soul.
Oh, and learn how to spell or at least review what you've written before posting.
The left doesn't seem to understand where the anti-Obama sentiment comes from regarding Benghazi. Sure there have been other attacks, and both parties and the citizenry rallied behind the sitting president.
The reason is simple. When Obama and his administration were continuously talking about "the youtube video", this inferred (to only half the country) that America invited the attack by its own actions.
Read: Something we did (the video) caused the attack.
Read: If there were no video, there would be no attack.
This goes over quite well with the blame America crowd (the other half of the country). They see no issue with a "youtube video" as justification for murder. After all, it was insulting. And disgusting, as our President put it.
How else are Arabs supposed to react? It's our fault! That's the takeaway from the 10 days of "youtube video" shoved down our throats to the point of vomiting.
Please someone find me a time in history when any other president, speaking of an attack on America, offered a justification or excuse as to why it occured, and gave the agressor a reason for doing it?
Kaybeetoys - Troops in the area that could have helped were told to "stand down". Obama & Rice promoted the lie that this was due to a movie for weeks. Requests for security were denied.
You try to label me as a GOP party hack, but it doesn't fly based on the facts.
Just as I said in my prior post, you justify your guys crimes by pointing the crimes of others. Sorry, I don't love the GOP and think most of them should go too. You justify Obama's crimes by whining about Bush. Translation, Obama can commit any crime he wants because Bush did.
You are exactly what's wrong with this country.
I do believe that Susan Rice magpied exactly what she was told, thus protecting her posterior & no lying under oath charges. But I'd still subpena her and ask one question: "Who debriefed you on what to say"? That's it - Thank you, you may leave.
Sorry Al, but the woman in charge of security for our embassies and consulates world-wide stated that there was no budget reason for the lack of security - she testified that Hillary Clinton ordered her to keep security at the consulate artificially low. Even after 2 bombings.
Feisty: There has not been a WWF for years. Once again you are displaying your ignorance.l
Are these some of the "lies" you speak of?
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.Constitution and Laws, to take necessary actions, (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has .. chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
you lefty Chavez's are hillarious , "WMD's man!" , faux-tolerants
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
Hey, Righties, you lost the election. Show some class, quit the bullsh!t and get with taking care of our country. I have never seen or heard such a bunch of bad losers.
Is the Republican Tea Party looking to fade out of American Politics? It sure seems like it. Through the Bush years they swollowed the bait and looked on while Bush/Cheney trashed the country and right up until right now they continues to show no class, suck up to the rich, piss all over the middle class, and in congress, they do everything they can to screw up what's left of this country by getting stuck on crap from Norquist and the Republican House anal blockage thinking that will somehow get them back in power. It is clear the Conservatives are very few and the Nut Jobs have taken over.
What is ironic, most of those on the Right have called those that are takers live in the Red States and voted for Romney. Don't take my word, check it out if you have the balls.
How many days, WEEKS, has FOX NEWS predominantly dedicated to commenting, reporting, re-reporting and obsessing on this Bengazi tragedy of four people dead in one small part of the Middle East?
With the exception of their Romney-Ryan campaign coverage and Superstorm Sandy that interrupted their hopes for the Presidency, as if there was nothing else in the nation or the world, no other news of war and tragedy, of our soldiers fighting and dying, of civilian victims of war, of the unemployed, and the homeless made by Sandy, or any hope in any other story worth covering that ever mattered!
Why is FOX NEWS obsessing on commenting on, and endlessly covering the Bengazi story?
Republican hero General David Petreus is right in the middle of this controversy ....... another Republican who could not keep it in his pants, by the way ...... and if there is an intelligence problem here the General has primary responsibility.
How many Republicans still want the General as their presidential candidate?
Pigotry
Do you know what happened to the leader of the attack on the barracks, let me give you a hint. It wieghed 1300 lbs and was launched from eight miles off shore. That is why everyone supported Reagan. He also made no bones about our responsibility to protect our troops and who was responsible. He did not say it was because of some video made by some bonehead. As Ambassador to the UN this lady is as close to Clinton as Clinton is to the the President. She knew what they knew and went forward with a crafted response directly from her boss, Hilary. Now they want to say she did not know, I think she did.
Hooo Boy! The hate filled leftist libs are out in force on this one!
Don, by the way. Remember the story of Bill Clinton and the "blue dress"?
To me this is very sad because I am old enough to remember the Watergate hearings. That was done in a by partisan manner. Today it is on party lines. It is sad because the deliberate deaths of the Ambassador and the three others matters not. What matters today is loyalty to Obama even if he murders people. I am a FDR style Democrat and I have condemned both Republicans and Democrats when I felt that they have done wrong so I am not loyal to either party I go by how I see each situation. For example I will praise Obama for taxing the rich for the first time in many years. I disagree with Republicans on Fiscal matters and usually side with the Democrats. But on Benghazi I saw things as they unfolded and got information throughout the night and if I got good information with out CIA help than Obama should have gotten far better information than I. There is no way around the fact that the CIA officers on the ground E-mailed the President and other senior officials and were ignored for 8 hours. This is a Flat Fact because it is CIA standard procedure on all emergency situations of this kind. This is why on this issue I strongly condemn Obama because it is "open shut".
GOP
The Gerrymandering Obsolete Party
Space Captain
There is actually a cure for stupid. It involves a deposit of lead in the brain, preferably delivered at high velocity.
hahaha...the faux-tolerant lefties are a hillarious lot , one of them says something and the rest give the ol'... "YA , that's what I was gonna say to!"...must be that "critical thinking" stupidity
and as far as toy stores go , Kaybee Toys blows , no selection , high prices and ignorant employees
These guys are nuts. After the Bush crap what in the hell are they talking about?
Capt. Smash, I don't think THEY know what they're talking about! They just want some kind of "gate" to beat the President up with because their candidate LOST. If they can't find one, by God, they'll make one up!
The Republicans are becoming more of a joke every day. And, they don't realize the majority of Americans can see through them and are tired of their antics????
The only joke is a bad Democratic joke .... that this hearing was put off until AFTER the election for POLITICAL PURPOSES, and the administration STILL cannot answer questions of why they laid blame on the film clip.
Who started the "false information" ? Why was everyone making the same "false statements" if they didn't know the truth ??
The @!$%#ing 'false information' came from the intelligence community. And those congressional committees, the president and Susan Rice and the State Dept were all getting the SAME information. But since that doesn't fit with the preferred wingnut narrative, they keep pulling crap out their their ass to blame Obama.
The newest GOP platform: Hellbent. Despite facts, unknown circumstances and when all else fails, they resort to accusations and finger pointing, tantrums, and throwing mud then hope it sticks somewhere.
Then REVEAL the damn "intelligence community" and how this false info came about !!!!
There is way too much GOOD intelligence the State Dept had in their hands to accept such a glib reply. Hell, someone from the State Dept was watching it live !!! Who started the crap blaming it on "spontaneous demonstrations" ? Why, after over 2 months of "investigations" do we still not know who started this false BLAME GAME ??
jim - yes the false blame game was started and is still being fed by the Republican party. See - you don't want the truth!
The false blame game was started by Susan Rice, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton .... back before the elections. I want to know WHY did these three all blame it on an anti-Mohammed film clip which was later admitted by Obama (during debate #2 in case you were asleep at the time) when they all KNEW better !
Spin it all you want .... they all spread FALSE REPORTS ! Why ??
Investigations, select committees, impeachments, special prosecutors. Got facts? No is the answer. If you had any basis for Issa bloviating on we'd have seen their evidence by now. I know, Obama turned Issa into a witch (he got better). Maybe McCain can hold hearing into the lies of the Iraq war. I hope you rednecks hold your breath until you turn blue.
And the wagons circle around the guy in charge. Will the Dems protect him? Will those military type remember "Duty, Honor and Country" or will they go political?
Time to end the words on both sides and drill down into the actual facts.
And if it is found the Barry gave then up, then which direction will you libbies choose to believe? Four lives lost is much worse than a bloched Watergate job.
Or is this event just an insignificant liberal event that doesn't account for much?
This, copied from post #1.31 above, shows just how stupid, phoney, ridiculous, and reckless all this republican "outrage" is.
Yesterday afternoon, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) told the media he demands additional information about the September attack in Benghazi. At the exact same time, McCain was skipping a classified intelligence briefing on the September attack in Benghazi.
So, what happened? Apparently, the Republican's office scheduled his press stunt at the wrong time, so McCain forgot to be where he was supposed to be.
Senator John McCain is demanding answers on the Benghazi attack, but his office tells ABC News he missed a classified briefing on the subject because of a "scheduling error."
Yeah, like McCain is really concerned about this. Down in Texas we call that barbequed bullschittt.
Is that the same debate in which Candy Crowley read the transcripts confirming Obama had refered to it as an "act of terror" the following day in the rose garden?
Thank you Al in Visalia for CONFIRMING that was what Obama CLAIMED during that debate !
Now explain this to me: If Obama referred to it as an "Act of Terror" as you claim (although he really made a vague reference to "acts of terror") then WHY, WHY in the world would HE, Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton CONTINUE for many days thereafter to BLAME it on "spontaneous demonstrations" because of the anti-Mohammed film clip ???? Can you give a CLEAR answer to that one ?
Did Obama LIE in the Rose Garden supposedly saying it was an Act of Terror or did he LIE and LIE REPEATEDLY in the following days when he tried so desperstely to blame it on the film clip ???
Obama contradicting Obama ... such a masterpiece to behold !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The speech Al never makes any reference specifically to benghazi, its ambigious at best.
What about the $70,000 worth of air time showing President Obama and Hillary Clinton denouncing the anti-Islamic video?
Plenty of good reading still on the Vine, and there isn't much else to do until Republican's finish swirling around the post election toilet bowl. Some of the bigger Republican truds won't go down without first trying to flood whole the house. Okay, Obama pulled out the plunger (Lindsey McCain smeared a bit)...and now it's time to get rid of all the crap.
So, this issue is really about semantics??? Does saying "act of terror" or "terrorist attack" make the difference in what happened? It is amazing to me that when you bring up the hypocrisy of the right in a historical context they say "well, that was then....". In other words American lives are only important if they can be political fodder for the conservative agenda..... or cannon fodder for the same agenda.
Also, I think it is hilarious that Fox was discussing the "mainstream media" and one of the guests said Fox has the highest rated cable 'news' show and many print and radio outlets, so who are they referring to when they say 'mainstream media, since they are the mainstream media? The answer was "well I guess we mean all NFC's....meaning "non-fox companies". They cut immediately to commercial.
As i said before and will say again... If you are concerned about lies, falsehoods and conspiracies....look inward!
its about implication and what he implied. Was aurora co. an act of terror or a terrorist attack. so if the alleged vid would have sparked the attack on Benghazi would you claim it an act of terror or terrorism? Obama spoke in generalities and then tried to claim thats what he meant (a terrorist attack). Hindsight was 20/20 during the debate and he knew it.
Caesar Augustus: you said "The speech Al never makes any reference specifically to benghazi, its ambiguous at best." Yet in the quotation from the speech is this:
Reading is fundamental. Understanding that if you just get your opinions from conservative news sources, you tend to be wrong is essential. Mitt Romney learned that in a debate before millions of viewers. I would have expected you would have learned that by now.
BTW: terrorists commit acts of terror, their terrorist acts are terrible. Terrorism sucks.
Holy crap -- the inability to understand even basic nuance astounds me.
The question FROM THE BEGINNING was never "were these terrorists?" Everyone knew it was terrorists -- anyone who attacks a consulate with rocket launchers is a terrorist.
The question was "What started this specific terrorist attack?" They originally believed it was a spontaneous TERRORIST attack based on a video. However, evidence came later that it was a pre-planned TERRORIST attack. Either way it's a damn terrorist attack.
In the Rose garden he was talking about non-specific acts of terror, not benghazi and any HONEST person that was watching while he said it knows.
WHY the $70,000 on the anti-islamic video denouncing??? We all know that happened as well. People want answers not more BS.
You alleged Americans aren't worth my time. Here is what the pros have said. Ambassador Stevens was not raped.
GOP cuts to embassy security draw scrutiny, jabs from Democrats - The Hill - covering Congress, Politics, Political Campaigns and Capitol Hill | TheHill.com
Libyans storm militia in backlash of attack on US - CBS News
snopes.com: American Ambassador in Libya Raped and Killed
So, let me get this straight --
In the Rose Garden speech, he is talking about the tragedy of Benghazi. And says "No acts of terror..." So are you actually suggesting that he was NOT including Benghazi in that? That while talking about Benghazi he then goes on a complete aside about acts of terror of which Benghazi was not one? How does that make any sense in your head?
"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn for more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done..."
There is no ambiguity here. He refers to "acts of terror" and how we won't let me them shake us. Then specifically refers to the deaths in Benghazi and then talks about justice for this "terrible act." It's fundamentally clear that he is including Benghazi as one of these acts of terror.
And why was he calling to a terrorist attack? Because whether it was due to a spontaneous video or a pre-planned attack, a group of people attacking a US consulate with rocket launchers ARE TERRORISTS.
Err.. that should be "whether it was a spontaneous attack due to a video or a pre-planned attack.."
@ Caesar:
"Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourn with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.
...As Americans let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those, both civilian and military, who represent us around the globe.
No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.
Today we mourn for more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done..."
Do you understand context?
Two sentences above, Obama references the Benghazi attack, as does he again in the sentence following it.
Some people can't see the forest for the trees, and will shut their eyes/brains to any facts that doesn't suit their agenda.
And yes, I'm talking about those who would like to see Obama blamed for this, yet who never once attached any blame to the Bush Admin. when over 3000 Americans died in NYC on 9/11.
Can you say HYPOCRITES, boys and girls?
All these posts prove to me how much more money we need to spend in rural education. the repukes obviously lack reading comprehension skills as well as critical thinking skills. no matter what evidence comes out debunking their lies it doesnt matter. i like what siobhan has to say, no matter what, it boils down to the fact it was a terrorist attack, plain and simple. yea the administration had conflicting information, and in fact this wasnt a demonstration about a video. your right, nobody is debating that, but what does it matter or prove if you show the original intellegence reports were wrong? isnt that why there are investigations? what are you looking for exactly? do you seceretly think obama planned the attack and if you cry loud enough about nothing all of the sudden he'll say hes from kenya and is a terrorist? what are you trying to prove?
Who ever said Marines don't have ammo is nuts. I was stationed state side and our weapons were always loaded with ammo. Our orders were to challenge an intruder and if he did not respond, shoot him. This was SOP on all front ine air bases and enforced.
Bob-2558400, When I was on guard duty, I was told the same thing, challenge anyone that comes into my area, regardless of rank, if he does not respond correctly, shoot him, we'll sort it out later.
Me and my partner got ourselves in big trouble for not killing a major that came into our area. The rank on his collar and his ID didn't match, we held him there and called the sargent of the guard, turns out he had just gotten promoted and hadn't had his ID changed yet. We were told that he should have known better than to come into anyones area without proper ID, why is he still alive??
Soldiers without ammo, what nut believes that??
I totally agree. We need to soundly debunk the propaganda machine of Fox 'News' too.
The GOP is stuck on losing. They seem incapable of beginning anew.
Republicans are still living deep in that hole they dug for themselves, in the dirt and in the dark. It's home to them.
We need to restore sanity in this country. It starts with truth...something that has long been in very short supply in the hypocritical echo chamber/ bigoted, brainless world of the GOP.
It may take a couple more decades, but the rule of Old White Men is going to end. And when it finally does, we need to have an educated and well-prepared population of young Americans-- of every race, religion, ethnicity and orientation-- to take its place. That is the only way to save this country.
FORWARD!!
It's hilarious to read all of these liberals justify Obama...Virutally everyone of them says, "BUSH".
Guess what liberals....BUSH IS GONE. If Bush was allowed to break the law, it's another failure for Obama for not prosecuting him and upholding the laws of the land as he swore to do in his oath.
Liberals say, "My guy can lie, cheat, and steal because Bush did." That's every liberal's defense. NOT ONE....says Obama did the right thing and handled the situation perfectly. Because they know it's not true. It's always, "Repups shouldn't complain because of what Bush did.". "BUSH BUSH BUSH" You sound like idiots.
@ Paws:
No.
If you didn't say sh*t when another POTUS did something that Obama has done, yet now want to make it an issue because it's Obama doing it....
then you are a HYPOCRITE, and not worth listening to.
Most of you blaming Obama for the 4 deaths at the Benghazi consulate(and/or calling for his impeachment), didn't put anywhere near the same amount of blame on the Bush Admin. for over 3000 American deaths in NYC on 9/11(some wouldn't hear a bad word spoken against Bush/Cheney, and called critics "unAmerican"."
The Bush Admin were warned that terrorists were planning possible attacks on US soil, using aircraft as WMDs, yet at the 9/11 Commision they stated(per Condoleeza) "we didn't get the memo".
Don't patronize us with the "Bush isn't POTUS anymore", when you never gave the Bush Admin even half as much criticism as you now give Obama.
You aren't fooling anyone.
Some of us aren't going to let you Obama bashers slide on your hypocrisy.
Snakebone... Do not argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
NH__Shellback... If we're going to bring "draft dodgers" into the discussion, you should try looking into George W. Bush's military records. Can't find them? Why am I not surprised? In my day military deserters, during time of war, (in this case Vietnam) could have been hung, or faced a firing squad. I guess it's true, then: "Money doesn't talk, it screams."
jscusmc69... Nice rant. Did we forget to take our meds today? On which planet do you reside? "Anger dwells only in the bosom of fools." Albert Einstein
kaybeetoys... Even paranoids have real enemies. LOL!
Realist17... That name is a joke, right? "An oligarchy of private capital… cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society (because) under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main source of information." Albert Einstein
Brandon Wagner..."The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein
Lobo - Sorry dude...Only been posting 2 years...Wasn't around when Bush was in charge. So, your argument is moo (aka...as valuable as anything a cow says.). Therefore, no hypocrisy. Also, I don't love Bush either. I thought he was terrible for allowing Dodd/Frank to ruin the economy. I don't like any of the politicians or how they've handled the last 15 years. At least Clinton had a clue, but was morally bankrupt.
So, you are 100% wrong...wow, that must hurt.
Funny, you defend Obama's criminal actions while calling me a hypocrit. Pot meet kettle.
I am just plain amazed that some of you were able to graduate from middle school without failing civics!
I'm also amazed that many of you think you can used the Web, but do not see acquainted with Google.
Just a few facts:
Was everything done correctly??? We don't know, because we don't have all the facts yet-- yesterday was the first real airing of facts. But so far we know that nothing real glaring was wrong-- and most certainly no one did anything in the manner of a cover-up, especially since there's nothing to cover here.
At the most, I would say the administration was being a bit TOO transparent, releasing tentative information before it was confirmed. Some things probably should have remained shrouded in "National Security" for a bit longer before being made public. But this took, remains to be seen.
And all of you folks trying to make something evil and underhanded about this are simply spreading unrest and sedition for your own purposes.
Maybe at some point facts will reveal something that could have been done better. And it would not be surprising-- things done in the heat of the moment are not always the best solutions-- but we are all human-- we do the best we can, and if we made mistakes, we learn from them for next time.
It's time for ALL of us to come together on this- as has already been stated, politics ends at the shoreline. We are all Americans.
Just curious - How many of you posting republican talkingpoints on the Benghazi issue also signed your states petition to seceed from the union?
it's Coyote Ugly
I think the issue here is how soon did we know that it was a planned terrorist attack and once we found out did we continue to say that is was just random violence. It is like the Peatreaus (sp?) affair. Obama said no intelligence was at risk. Now they say it was at risk. It does not matter what party you are from the truth is what is important. We can not allow our officials to lie. I think Obama only knows what he is told and no one seems to be telling him the truth. He should be livid.
For me it all goes back to a military decisions about staffing the various embassies in and around the 9/11 likely date for terrorism. The simple truth is that Libya was not a priority as much as Iran, Pakistan or other high risk situations. It is a military chain of command.
If Romney had been president, the situation would still be the same. Then if the House Republicans had their way, the Libyan embassy would have been under staffed due to spending cuts.
The Republicans here are looking for maximum partisan grandstanding time. They want their Benghazi Gate they think they deserve after losing the presidential election and losing seats in both houses of congress.
So I guess reviving that old Collegial Practice of getting together for drinks and cigars on Friday evening wouldn't be a good idea to bring up right now.
Independent - not so sure - the Republicans would probably come armed and my guess is they can't hold their liquor!
Yeh Seeking thought this might be something to have a little fun with but I see some of the Batsh!t crazy folks up there are just determined to rant and rave like Ol' Beck and Company. I reckon I'll have to send the Bull Riding Bouncer from the DDI over later to take care of them after they get finished shooting themselves in the foot (or other bodily parts). Some folks just have no shame I reckon and that is a Pure T Tragedy. Disagee with Pogotry though. It's Double Coyote Ugly
There is nothing unusual about the whacknuts mode of operation here. This is old hat to these miscreants. Avoid the people's business at all cost. Launch meaningless investigation after investigation. Surely at some point in the next 4 years they can find something to stick. Why do republicans hate this country so much? Why must they try and paralyze government? These are the ends our enemies would give a thousand men/women to achieve, yet we have a political party in this country who serve's their purpose.
Let the endless investigations begin!!
This president will never be able to bring the country together. Both sides are way too interested in being right and making sure the other side is so horribly insulted that it will be war to the death and never a compromise. Good job all of you. Really, those of you who have been the most offensive toward the people with an opposing viewpoint, you are truly stellar human beings.
Everyone knows that the Republicans won't show unless there are at 20 cheap prostitutes that are willing to dress them up in diapers...
As a nation we prepare to celebrate the sesquicentennial civil war at 150 years. It looks as if we may be living it all over again. We have become a nation divided again. It is now neighbor against neighbor town against town and state against Government. No end in sight. Obama needs to get on television and somehow pull this nation together.
Guys…just let 'em keep it up.
They are failing at every step, and they are so pig-headed they can't shut their mouths OR cooperate and/or compromise about anything, including the Benghazi attacks.
We'll just let them defeat themselves, and then just sit around and count the days until the midterm elections.
On to 2014!!
It's been nine weeks since the Benghazi tragedy, and whenever I channel-surf, I've noticed that FOX NEWS is STILL OBSESSIVELY COMMENTING on this old story.
REALITY CHECK: So four people died in the war-torn Middle East, of which some parts are full of terrorists and countless other innocents as well as the guilty are dying off and dropping like flies in violent conflicts in these third-world armpits.
...So, WTF? Why is the right-wing dragging this out and going on and on and on about Benghazi? Do they have nothing better to report on, other than this?
Paging P.T. Barnum...
I can see C-Span ratings going through the roof on this one.
(Who will be first to say, "when all is said and done, sir, have you no decency?")
It would appear that fate has delivered my supply of anesthetics at the right time. I expect this to be an ugly mix of tragedy and comedy.
and the end result will be status quo methinks.
Sorry Mr. Barnum, no entertainment value here.
This is awful.
and the end result will be status quo methinks.
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I don't know about that...
These hearings will be the Freudian culmination/couples therapy of the political bad marriage we are all living through. We will have every article of dirty laundry on view under this umbrella. Every drop of venom, bile and spleen that can be squeezed out of the body politic will be spewed out in headlines, as both sides use the forum as a soapbox to air the grievances of the past several years.
Hopefully we will find out exactly what happened in Benghazi, and where to make the necessary changes in policy, security and intelligence. Certainly we will generate a few new congressional celebrities to grace the evening entertainment networks with their visage and rhetoric.
I do agree that this is a good time to get anesthetized...
Too bad they don't get this worked up about the economy...
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Truth would quickly cease to be stranger than fiction, once we got as used to it.
H.L Mencken
The choir of Sirenum scopuli have stirred to life and the song carried on the wind will be Impeachment.
i expect similar results to F&F thats why i say status quo. I saw this coming if Romney wasn't elected.
indeed
This will be swept under the rug as was "FAST and FURIOUS".
That rug is getting pretty darn "LUMPY" right now.
This all has to do with the politics of the "fiscal cliff". The Repubs think they can weaken the Presidents position by attacking him on the only issue available to them, so they can distract the media and the public from what they are doing with the other hand. They remind me of an amature magician that hasn't practiced enough.
I say give them more rope. Everybody can see through this.
What did you see coming if Romney WAS elected? These are your boys. Was that damp dish-rag gonna rule the old roost? This isn't about who lost the election overwhelmingly. This is about how long we plan to listen to the death-rattle of the GOP prior to pulling the plug.
Chuck - Republican politicians have no integrity as this situation so clearly proves. But, they are making a huge mistake here. I believe many will be shown the door in 2014 for trying to deflect from the problems at hand by lying about this situation. The GOP is truly just a group of Grumpy Old Perverts with no brain among the group!
Some should realize that the lack of civility in their rhetoric negates any hopes of an actual dialog, despite often having worthwhile points to make.
In other news;
Newsmaxx reports that Warren Buffett has already endorsed Hillary for President, now if he only had some money to back her...
SS, If Republicans are barking down the wrong path on this, all you have to do is provide a complete sequence of all communications after the event happened. You cannot or will not do that. Why is the truth something you want to hide from ?
there still would have been an investigation but not under the 'spotlight' it is now. Thats ok Ruken you're not worth my time.
Jim(+ all the re-reg #'s) . . .
The thing is, RWNJ's don't want the truth . . . . it's too complicated . . .
when you say, "complete sequence of all communications," you are 'thinking' (using the term loosely) that this is a linear process, but it's not . . . . it's like spokes on a bike wheel . . . and then each spoke make a hub with more spokes . . . draw yourself a little picture . . .
ALSO, you are 'thinking' either/or, EITHER it was a video, OR it was a spontaneous terrorist attack . . .
when it almost certainly was both, and more . . .
There was a small protest related to the film; then there was an attack . . . . or so the intel so far seems to show . . . .
rational people (eg, Condi Rice) have stated that it takes time to sort these things out . . . but you guys demand immediate answers, then get mad when the intel changes
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FORWARD! :-)
You had information AS it was happening, confirmed by Libyan authorities the very NEXT DAY... and yet the campaign of misinformation went on for about 7 days afterwards. If it "takes time to sort these things out" then how in the hell can you just an immediate conclusion ???? That conclusion was WRONG but still was being spread for DAYS after there was sufficient, competent, ecidential matter to the contrary !
My two cents is what seems like a plausible explanation now, that it was a terrorist attack by a little league Al Qhadi cell, was not easily verifiable in the heat of the moment or immediately afterword.
The claim by the terrorist group was not 'ignored', it was being evaluated for it's accuracy before it was reported.
If we take the politics out of this there are obviously some lessons to be learned - but the "Ready-Fire-Aim" approach of the Republican Neocons is rarely if ever the best approach.
so what role did this youtube vid play again?
Epic failure by TNSEVOL ... attempting fabricated alibis on Obama's behalf !
Explain why the Obama dministration falsely laid blame on the video clip for causality. There are more holes in your argument than a package of Swiss Cheese.
Jim,
all you have to do is provide a complete sequence of all communications after the event happened.
Can you?
Didn't the father of the diplomat plead that his death not be turned into a political football....or something to that effect? And here all you asssssholes go doing just that. And for what? Tell me, for what?
what makes it political at this point then? elections are done. I dont understand why left and right dont want accountability? Tell me what the result of this investigation is again? You dont know either? Yet you want it to go quietly into the night. Da Comrade.
Caesar,
It has already gone quietly into the night for doodlehead McCain. He, the very man who has been standing up and beating the drums on this issue, forgot to make the security meeting on the Bengazi affair. Kinda puts a light on just where the republicans are coming from. Real issues, real discusccions.........not their cup of tea. Sensationalism in the press over fabricated travesties.....oh yeah.
C-Span?????????
Hey isn't that the place where all the bills presented by the president promised in 2008 were going to be shown?
LOL
hey space captain where does the buck stop again?
Caesar,
Which buck do ye speak of? I'm really the wrong guy for you to try and start a conversation with. I firmly believe that Bush/Cheney false-flagged 9/11 to throw the police state down on us and kick start the Arab wars, so all this politically motivated blame game schittt over Benghazi is really minor and stupid to me.
I'm not a liberal..........actually so radical the liberals stay away from me. I'm a Trotskyite and from that perspective can see and understand the social/political mechanics at work here. And I can tell you it ain't pretty. In fact it's becoming a dangerous situation for the nation as a whole if this kind of schittt keeps up.
So you tell me. Where does the buck stop? If we're not careful it will be stopped on the streets.
I just have some questions.
First have you followed the time line and the public comments coming from the Whitehouse about Benghazi? if so do you see a pattern that could have mislead the American public to deduce that a little know video was the cause of the conflict? Even days after the event Susan Rice is still intimating the claim on national television. The President acts and with in a couple of days the person who made the video is arrested. What about the people who have now vanished from the scene that actually caused the deaths? NPR on the day of the attack confirmed this was a planned event with little or no public outcry on the video. Does that matter? If you are tasked with the security of the men and women under your command the the answer is yes. Was there a breakdown in getting resources to the scene? Again the answer seems to be yes. An AC-130 was less than one hour away and other resources were left to rent a plane for the ride to Benghazi and then got stuck at the airport trying to arrange rides to the scene. Does this really sound like a prepared response given the situation and the communications requesting more security in the previous days and weeks? I think the response shows some real problems what about you?
In the end are we going to ever be able to talk to each other and ask real questions to prevent more deaths or are we going to go for each others throat? If you think this episode is charged just wait until we fall over the fiscal cliff. People might take to the streets looking for some payback. What then? Are you going to rely on partisanship to have your back? I would prefer we handle this together as Americans not Republicans or Democrats or Independents or whatever. As it is right now we are fast becoming the Divided States of America. The biggest problem is a lack clear leadership in the country at all levels and all parties.
Notsosuredude,
Pretty good post ye made there. It really is going to get nasty if we cannot work together on a common vision, the American dream if nothing else, and do so in a fair and civil manner. Sure, the Benghazi thing was a tragedy. It was not the first, nor shall it be the last. But using it now as a political fire-brand to stir up further hatred and division amongst us is NOT GOOD.
And if it is only coming from sour grapes over losing an election? Geez, have we fallen that far?
So this all occurred BEFORE the election. Now that it's over we have no need for answers???? This is supposed to be the most transparent presidency in our entire history so what is the problem?
The chickens will come home to roost.
Republicans are no longer the Grand Ole Party. They are close-minded, bigoted, racist leaning, angry old white men of whom Abraham Lincoln would be uterly ashamed to associate with if he were alive. The GOP has more or less become a "joke" because so many leaders within that party are relics that have been left behind by a majority of normal members of American society. Republicans are the "black sheep" radical Uncle that you make fun of at Thanksgiving dinner because he's ignorant, always whining about something, and no one likes to be around him.
When you lose in one arena---then you have to cast about for another, were you might have a chance of winning------these Republicans are a 'sorry lot' ---if they want to get my independent vote back (I voted for Bush Snr.) then they are going to have to 'shape up!!'
It's too bad the elections are over...we have to now wait until 2014 to ship 'em out....
GNOP - we don't need no fact checkers....We MAKE up the facts.....
Message to my former GOP colleagues. There are three things you need to do in response to Nov. 6:
1)vote an extension of the Bush middle class tax cuts before you look like the villians
2)do not pass an extension of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy or you can't claim to be heros on budget cuts
3)Shut the hell up about everything else!
Was there another meeting among the Republican wackos in congress to make Obama only a two term president and this is the strategy that they came up with? Groundhog day all over again, I guess.
And these are the people that want to be in charge of womens' reproductive rights. If it wasnt so terrifying, it would be comical.
On Jan 21 the GNOP will meet in secret (again) to ensure they make Pres. Obama only a 2 - term President....They will filibuster, delay, go into a permanent recess, and do everything they can to ensure Pres. Obama does not win a 3rd term........(Uhhh...GNOP...a president can't serve more than 10 years....so as usual...you're a day late and a dollar short.....maybe you can squeeze that dollar our of the Donald or from one of Myths Cayman or Swiss accounts!).
I'm just thankful the Dems finally have shown some cojones. The GOP needs to wake up, this country's majority is no longer old, white men and I dont want (only) old, white, rich men deciding what I can and can't do w/my body, health care, retirement or taxes.
Age and Race have nothing to do with a search for truth. Why do you fear the truth coming out ?
jim, Why are you ASSuming you already know what the truth is? The purpose of hearings is to ask questions and LISTEN to the answers. (Fundamental to hearing is the ability to listen). But these GOP nuts appear to be using the premise of a hearing to air unfounded accusations. Why don't these screwballs try getting real information instead of continuing blatant partisan lunacy?
NB820 - now you can't go talking common sense to Republicans. Surely you know that by now!
Because NB820-001, The President, Hillary and Susan Rice ALL sung the same fairy tale of putting blame on the 17 minute film clip. There is sufficient evidence now that the deaths were caused by an Al Qaeda attack and that the State Dept knew about it WHEN it was happening !
The question du jour is WHY would they try to lay blame elsewhere if they truly didn't know the truth at that time ?
To all you little ladies talking about old rich white men, you may want to look at both sides of the aisle. And old white women too. rotflmao
There really aren't that many female republicons. Before this election a vote was held on the Violence Against Women Act. All 31 votes against it were republicon males. All 5 republicon women voted for it.
A women in the republicon party must be a masochist.
The 31 Republican Senators Who Voted ‘NO’ On The Violence Against Women Act | MoveOn.Org
KJNC... "When people who are honestly mistaken learn the truth, they will either cease being mistaken or cease being honest." Unknown
Did you get that, Jim? "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." Albert Einstein
Bloodlust!
No bloodlust ! Just a persistent search for the truth... something which has been conveniently put on the "back burner" until after the elections. Why was BLAME assigned to the film clip when it was obviously NOT the reason ?
Yes, Jim...bloodlust.
Why?
Because deep down in places you don't like to talk about, part of you wants Amabassador Stevens and 3 other Americans to have died the most horrific deaths imaginable. So you end up latching on to every rumor and innuendo...that these men were killed, dragged through the streets, raped, sodomized and burned while their attackers danced in celebration...and all while the President watched in real time and ordered those who would rescue the victims to stand down.
We want FACT (if it's truth you're looking for, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall) so if you want to get serious about what happened in Benghazi then I suggest you start by not buying into every rumor, innuendo and conspiracy theory that is out there.
Jim - Seriously what does it matter??? Is it going to bring them back - No. If you remember there were other protest going on at the time in Tripoli and in Egypt. So they assumed it was part of the protest. Turns out not to be the case. Know what???
You are clearly looking for someone to blame - the guards? the security detail? the DOD? What happened was a tragedy and we know we have to learn from it and not make the same mistakes again. But a witch hunt is not the productive path to take. If you are that enraged by what happened then - I suggest you go to your local recruiters office and join up and stand a post!
There is always a enough blame to go around - 9/11, USS Stark, USS Cole, Beirut point is we should be coming together not tearing apart.
DA Noid, YOU are intentionally DISTORTING WHAT this hearing is all about ! We all know they were brutally killed... that is nothing new !
Why did Susan Rice blame it on the film clip ? Why did Obama blame it on the film clip ?? Why did Hillary blame it on the film clip ???
Why was there on ongoing campaign to not tell the truth ???? You do not want the truth because YOU fear it will lead back to incompetence by the President or a coverup by the President ! That is why you libs are desperately trying to take the discussion anywhere and everywhere except for the ongoing FALSE statements which are A "FACT" !!!!!!!!!!
See the problem with what you just wrote, Jim?
The consulate in Benghazi was attacked, 4 Americans dead...
...and you're going ape-s*** about what the Ambassador to the UN said about it???
The fall will probably kill you, Sundance!
Here's an idea...get the facts on what happened in Benghazi FIRST...THEN you will have a basis to deal with what Susan Rice actually said.
Da Noid - "facts, they don't want no damned facts." All they want is dirt and if there isn't any, they'll sure as hell make it up!
Da Noid, You are such a drama queen .... and I see you FAILED to answer the question !
Then of course, you trap yourself in your own, silly argument.
If the "FACTS" are still unknown, then WHY was this administration coming to a false conclusion and LAYING BLAME ON THE FILM CLIP ? Why spread FALS INFORMATION ?
P.S. There is nothing wrong with what I just wrote ... the problem is in your failed reply.
Oh, and SeekingSanity the "FACTS" are that Obama, Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton all tried to BLAME the deaths on a 17 minute video clip..... which, FACTUALLY .... is a FALSEHOOD !
jim - Why was it "obviously not the reason"?
Do your homework Chuckie boy .... even the Obama administration has now, and according to Obama in his second debate, accepted that the deaths were the work of Al Qaeda ! Why did he say otherwise and blame it on a film clip previously ?
jim - Obvious in retrospect, but at the time there were several riots going on because of the film. Even when it was determined the attack was organized, there was no proof the film had nothing to do with it. It was only when the true identity of the attackers was known could it be said for sure that the film was not the cause. It is certain the attackers used the film as a cover to start the attack. The riots in other cities and their attack are not a coincidence.
Chuck - jim doesn't care about facts. He is too blinded by his hate for Obama and his desperation over Romney losing. It is futile to try to give him reason or facts - he will deny both. He doesn't want the truth - just his misguided rants.
The FACT is no one said the video itself was the one and only cause of the attacks - EVER!!
Even Susan Rice on her infamous Sunday talk show circuit said the demonstration over the video was used as cover by well-armed attackers.
That is the Republican way - start by taking words out of context, distort, blame, attack - all in the name of "truth". Unfortunately they never let the "Facts" stand in the way of their "Truth".
Chuckie, the Libyan government CONFIRMED to the State Department the day after the murders that it was the work of AL QAEDA ! The distorted blame game went on for a week or so afterwards.
If the government DID NOT KNOW (causality), then why did it "assign a reason" ... a reason later being against a mountain of growing evidence ?
The FACT is the "assigned reason" put out by this administration was FALSE .... either intentionally false, or false through GROSS INCOMPETENCE .... neither of which is acceptable considering the blame designated.
So you would implicitly believe the libyan government and go public with that, without confirming it with your own intelligence? Which part of the libyan government? Which faction? It's not functioning to well, you know. It took several day to confirm who was really behind this - Al Qaeda sympathisers, not Al Qaeda, big difference.
Seeker - I agree, but he makes a good foil for revealing the truth.
Jim, you're still putting the cart before the horse. Which is more important...learning the facts of what actually happened in Benghazi or trying to figure out when who said what afterwards?
Get the story of what happened that night straight first and then you will have the moral and ethical standing necessary to deal with the aftermath.
That's not being a drama queen...that's how adults do it in the real world.
Da Noid, Four people are dead and nothing can change that. WHY they are dead and were not protected better is important. Knowing why this administration poured out false information, over and over again, some of it beyond a week after the attacks .... that is what is truly DISTURBING to those of us who want to know the truth, and to the families of the four.
This event happened over two months ago on the anniversary of 911. How long will it take to actually learn the facts ? Will it take four more years for the truth to come out ??
Why are you liberals so fearful of an "open and honest" Congressional investigation if you have nothing to hide ?
Da Noid - ...that's how adults do it in the real world. Therein lies the problem. We all know a complete investigation can take months but far be it for the haters to let a COMPLETE investigation be done.
Murders in the US can take up to 6 months to investigate fully - some even longer. But clearly we should have all the facts of a situation that took place just a little over 2 months ago - thousands of miles away.
The absurdity of it all is beyond belief but it gives some people just another thing to base their hate on. If it wasn't this - it would be something else. They would make up some lie just to try to discredit the President. It is what gets them out of bed each day.
Seriously, these are very sad little people.
If you want an "open and honest" investigation then have one. Just make sure you are investigating the right things in the right order.
Which is more important...what happened in Benghazi or what happened afterwards? If you say the latter then your investigation appears to be nothing more than an attempt to score political points.
...and if you asked the families of those who died, I'm pretty sure they're more concerned with Benghazi itself than what Susan Rice or anybody else said afterwards.
The reality of what happened is not important. What is important is the partial statements that the GOP latches onto, ignoring the statements saying that the investigation is ongoing and more information may lead to a different conclusion.
Reality does not matter if it does not further the GOP goal of preventing President Obama from getting a second term.
BTW, someone should get a memo to Sen. McCain, Sen. Graham, Sen. Kelly and Jim: President Obama won a second term. Your attempt to destroy the country to ruin the President did not work. You don't have to destroy the country anymore.
Stevens died of smoke inhalation.
He wasn't sodomized or brought out and slowly beheaded in the street.
Yes, his(and other American) deaths in Benghazi are tragic and should be mourned, but let's get real here.
How many Americans(some of them children) die at the hands of other Americans here in the US, on a daily basis? Are we going to start blaming Obama for not preventing those deaths?
Violence and crime is a daily occurence all around the world, and no 1 person/POTUS/leader will be able to stop it, no matter how much security is put in place.
Chuck W... Please don't confuse these folks with facts. They appear to be confused enough already.
jim... If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bull$$it, eh?
Lobo... Would you please stop making sense? LOL!
the republicans may have turned down a request to spend money for more security personnel but no one has said why the hell in the first place the security there had guns but no bullets.Who was the idiot who did that??????
jared - source for that "fact" please. I've heard it before but it was a total lie. It was - at one time lied about by a right wing rag but later proved to be just that - a lie!
it was a outsourced british company obama had watching our embassies and they were denied bullets try looking it up it is at your figertips.I am not going to type it in just because you are to lazy to do research just keep waiting for your goverment check.
I'm not wating for a government check, never have. But, I did look it up and it's not true. It's really pathetic when you call a Republican out on their lies that they have to make up some crap up about you being on welfare or lazy. I do not have to disparage others to make my point. Most intelligent people don't. I can argue on the facts, not by calling people names.
Gee golly jared harvey, you really are a stupid mother. Keep drinking the kool aid, the wacko's need all the help they can get. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
jared,
Once again … back that up with proof … Thanks
Hey Jared... Fox just called. You're late for your shift as greaser at their rumor mill. Some people use their fingertips to find the actual truth. And no... Your nose is not the truth.
"Wingnuts Falsely Claim Obama Administration Forbade Marines From Carrying Live Ammo"
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/egypt-embassy-marines-live-ammo
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FORWARD! :-)
you're right marines weren't denied ammo but it wasn't marines watching the consulate it was a outsourced british company.
My recollection is that Marines were forbidden to carry live ammo in their weapons on security detail - IN BEIRUT UNDER RONALD REAGAN!!! Their deaths are the reason why we don't do that anymore!
KJNC
Motherjones? surely you jest. I'll find more credibility with Family Circus as a source
Carebake-it's also "pathetic crap" when dems label everyone that disagree with them exactly the same, with the most derogatory misstatements that you can come up with. Makes you exactly the same as you say ALL republicans or ALL people that don't fail into step with EVERY single thing dems believe. Last time I checked this was still a free country. I'm frankly sick of the HATE all around and you dems are just as guilty.
This is about more than Ambassador Rice.
The Republican Party is desperate, much like when Bill Clinton was president, to take these democratic presidents down.
It's where all their energy goes.
The Republican Party has been a DISASTER on foreign policy, so they are attempting to make President Obama and his Administration look worse than the GOP Administration during the GWB years.
They are traitors to this country. They are liars. They are incompetent. And there is no one whom they will not try to take down to their level, including we the people.
12 embassies were attacked during the Bush years.
TWELVE.
Americans everywhere, please don't be quiet on this. Fight back.
As I see it...part of the problem is that Ambassador Rice conveys 2 characteristics the GNOP can't handle.....she is a WOMAN and a MINORITY.....and those whitey gnop fellas just can't stand those uppity women and minorities....especially someone who went to Oxford....whereas the gnop pale, male, stale and white on his committe must have the brains of an ox! (sorry to disparage the ox population!) :)
Didn't stop them with Condi Rice and her "mushroom cloud" and WMD....But, again, It's OK....if you're a Republican.
What the Rethuglicans don't understand about policy is that "while domestic policies can hurt us,foreign policy can kill us."
woodbutcher, The terminology "weapons of mass destruction", with respect to Iraq, STARTED with Bill Clinton and his Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright ... before Bush was ever elected ! Nice try !!
jim - but Bush stated they had absolute proof there were still WMD's in Iraq even though the CIA had told them just the opposite! Nice Try!
I stand by my prior post. You can't put the lie on Bush when it started with Clinton.
Besides, the discussion here is why Susan Rice, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton ALL blamed the attacks on a film clip ... at a time when the State Department had hard, cold evidence to the contrary ! Why was there some kind of "NEED" to distort what happened ? Why was there a campaign of FALSE statements ?
Jim - go back and watch Col. Powell address about the Mobile Labs and the little vile that he held up. Turned out to be "Lies"-"Misinformation" - VP Cheney talking about Mushroom Clouds to scare everyone into the war again without any hard facts. (Nice Try!!!)
jim - so when you're shown to be an absolute fool, NOW the discussion goes back to Susan Rice - even though you brought up Bill Clinton.
Such a pathetic little man you are!
Again, a liberal comment designed to take the discussion AWAY FROM ... this administration's FALSE BLAME GAME after the Benghazi murders !
Yet another personal attack from SpeekingInsanity ! Your personal judgments are irrelevant.
Why did this administration engage in a campaign of FALSE BLAME over Benghazi ?
No. The "little" person in the room is the one who reduces a disagreement into name calling.
rhodamom - jim lost all reason long ago and has proved himself over and over to be lacking in stature - of any kind!
You know, if the perverted Republicans had not been so obsessed with Clinton's crooked pecker the man might have had more time to deal with the terrorist threats instead of having to fight for his political life.... and maybe, just maybe, 9/11 would never have happened.
Now here they go again trying to bring a good president down with all their barbequed bullschitttt.
We do have some serious issues that need attending to, not all this crap.
Space C, your name fits you perfectly.. I find it odd that you say the GOP was obsessed with Clinton's pecker, I do believe it was Monica and Bill obsessed. The first World Trade Center bombing was under Clinton's watch. He did nothing about it.
I you people would have been listening to what was going on for the last two months, you would not be blinded. This was all covered up by your WONDERFUL prez and his administration.. Yesterday, he again said it was still under investigation.. This proves more than ever the man is not fit to be prez.
He watched these murders in real time, he did nothing but say STAND DOWN.. The General that wanted to send help, has been relieved of his command too. This would have been easily stopped but for some reason they have lied and continue to cover/up these horrendous murders.
Why don't some of you quit banging you fingers and do a little research, you might find some truth.. Do any of you actually care that four of our men were brutally murdered while your guy just watched? This is just unheard of. These men were begging for help and the prez just watched... Seven hours and not a soul came to help.
Put the politics out of this, find out what did happen and what didn't...Then for two months and counting we are still blaming others, and stalling. These four men had families and they too want some answers..
shoot you can add the embassy in 98 and the USS Cole in 2000 but thats history. Remember our Liberal friends keep screaming Forward
Brian Terry's family is still looking for answers. and that well surpasses a couple months
@ Jim:
And who was it that pushed Congress to go to war with Iraq, based on hyped up intel about "WMDs"?
Hint: It wasn't Clinton.
If your going to blame Clinton for that, then the Reagan/Bush(1 and 2) Admins. get blamed for the fall of our economy.
Lobo... Don't wrestle with pigs. Everybody gets dirty and the pig loves it. Just remember; "Ignorance can be overcome. Stupid is forever."
jim... There is no fool like a self deluded fool. "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein
Coming through ... baby, bathwater, window ... someone get the facts out of the damn way!
Thank you Senator Connolly for calling it EXACTLY what it is!! Bunch of sore losers who can't stop with their mud-slinging and name calling. What a disgusting view of democracy in action . . .
The way I see it, both parties have their heads so far up their bums they don't even know where one begins and the other ends. The terrifying thing is, they are running this country and until they pull their heads out and decide what's best for the American people (instead of what's best for just themselves) and learn to work together, nothing will be fixed and this country will be run to the ground. They need to quite the stupid finger pointing, it gets us no where.
Layton... Don't you mean "Democracy in inaction?" Like the party of "NO?"
There haven't been fireworks like this since the fourth of July.
The Republicans are making far much ado about nothing. I don't want to seem to downplay the death of Ambassador Stevens and the others but really. The CIA fed information to Ambassador Rice and the White House they acted on what information they had. As the scenario developed different things came to light out of the chaos that happened at the time both in Bengazi and Tripoli.
Rather than play games why don't the Republicans work on beefing up the economy and creating jobs?
Why do the work the people pay them to do when there is the pressing issue of how many more post offices to rename?
"Rather than play games why don't the Republicans work on beefing up the economy and creating jobs?"
First, that sounds like work. Second, They have no idea how and fail miserably whenever they try, And third, It was what they promised to do so it's off the table to start with.
But Obama promised "THE STIMULUS" would create all those shovel-ready jobs ! What happened ?
jim - Romney LOST! Get over it! You just look more desperate and pathetic with every ignorant post you make!
More personal attacks from you ? I am not surprised, and I am well aware of the election results. This article is NOT about Romney, but a Congressional investigation into the truth of what happened in Benghazi.
My reply was to chuck binder, and you already knew that but just felt compelled to run your mouth anyway.
Seeking Sanity:
Please don't say anyone looks pathetic with any post because yours are the absolute worst on here! Everything you say is to make your libby friends happy and has no merit whatsoever. Please do not call anyone else ignorant, you have the market cornered on that one!
dogs80 - I've read many of your posts and I don't begin to top you on ignorance or spiteful posts. Amazinlgy last time you were whining about Fesity, or Bev, or Jody. Now go join jim so you little boys can whine some more!
great retort per usual. 'I know you are but what am I'. How old are you again? 7? yeah you have a masters degree my rear and serve on two boards. Diving boards maybe.
CA - you remind me of Donald Trump - way beyond irrelevant and bordering on insane. Don't really care what you think!
oh no, seeking the great called me irrelevant and insane.. Owie. thanks for proving my point.
The Republicans appear to want "face time" since their party lost the Presidency with such a dramatic trouncing. The image that comes to my mind is that of little banty roosters, all puffed up in the barnyard, running around in circles, and making lots of noisy crowing sounds. It's a brain tickle for me, but something like "Senator Foghorn Leghorn".
I believe the Repubs want one line blurbs on the evening news showing their masterful blusterings.
This posturing for the cameras is in lieu of real action on the real problems facing our country, and intended to impress the gullible (they hope) voters in the 2014 elections.
francesca -
Less than a single percentage point in the vote put Obama back in office, hardly a 'trouncing' to any reasonable and intelligent individual.
But then, liberals...
Sanity you are a huge hypocrite. Really get over yourself. Your nasty, spiteful and 90% it's attacks on others with NO true discussion or debate. IT's always my way or the highway with you and those that you cited in post #12.7. This is still America where all of us have the right to our beliefs even if then don't fall into step with yours. Your utter nastiness to anyone with a differing opinion is quite clear in every post you've made on this article.
More people voted for McCain than voted for romney.
"The government consists of a gang of men exactly like you and me. They have, taking one with another, no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office." H.L. Menken
"It makes no difference who you vote for - the two parties are really one party representing four percent of the people." Gore Vidal
"It's a game. We [tax lawyers] teach the rich how to play it so they can stay rich--and the IRS keeps changing the rules so we can keep getting rich teaching them." John Grisham
Can these idiots see how stupid and ridicules they are looking. The republican party has lost it's mind and they all are showing their sourgrapes of their election lost.
Apparently, you have an inability to separate the two. The result of the elections are known. This is another issue entirely which was pushed back AFTER the elections.
This is a question of whether our government deliberately tried to mislead the American people over the CAUSE of the Benghazi deaths, or whether there is sufficient proof for verifiable conclusions otherwise.
Surely, the truth of the matter should not be something FEARED by you !
they didn't lose, obama bought it with a billion dollars money talks and bull @!$%# walks, and his lies are starting to catch up to him ...............
heels -
the only people on here who are delusional at all are liberals who have to be deluded to believe that Obama is not a liar.
Obama got caught in the lie, and this one is so glaring that it shouts out to the entire world.
There are several questions about Benghazi that need to be answered. Among them are these:
Who gave the order for the military to stand down?
Who was it that denied adequate security to the ambassador, and why they did not see fit to evacuate him instead of putting him in harm's way since they would not increase security?
Why did Obama claim that the attack was caused by an obscure video on Youtube, putting the filmmaker and those who acted in it lives in danger?
Ethicallyand morally these decisions are flawed at the least. Allowing our ambassador to be tortured and assassinated is evidence of complete incompetence in the entire chain of command and borders on treason.
The 26 Billionaires who tried to buy the election are the real losers. All of their money bought them a 1% ROI. But turdblossom is richer than ever!
Now, instead, the GOP will spend the $440million on Watergate type investigations that will only point the finger back on themselves when all is said and done. We cannot guarantee the safety of government people that must serve in a war zone. Anybody that says that they can, is either a fool or a liar....
Yeah.
I remember the Kenneth Starr investigations. By the way Pubbies,....how many convictions resulted in that anyway?
Right. Thought so.
H.R.2055:
Making appropriations for military construction, the Department of Veterans Affairs, and related agencies for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2012, and for other purposes.
Ayes: 296 (Democrat: 149; Republican: 147)
Nays: 121 (Democrat: 35; Republican: 86)
http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2011/h/941
Jongone -
All the liberals can do is try to deflect from their own culpability in the issue. They continue to ignore the testimony that stated that funding had absolutely no bearing on denying the ambassador adequate protection.
Another nail in the coffin of what was a viable American party. R.I.P. GOP
The GOP is collapsing. That's what we are watching. Obama won. And the GOP's craziest members are now thrashing as if they were drowning. They will grab ANYTHING that might help them stay afloat.
The GOP is getting stronger every day. You elected a POS for a president this lying low life piece of whale dung does not know what the truth is. His whole adminstration is nothing but Chicago thugs.
You idiots voted for this whatever you want to call him, so live with your mistake.
The United States is collapsing. 16 Trillion in debt, record high poverty rates released this week, jobless claims up this week and an impending fiscal cliff with taxes set to go up and spending cuts coming in several months. Blame who you want but it's our children who are going to pay for this mess.
Joephilly, wish you would be as hard on the president as you are with your sports teams. So far all I hear from a bunch of half wit democrats is, we won, it's our ball, you don't have a right to say anything. All I know is that four americans are dead and this democrat administration did nothing at all to help them. I guess they must have said, we are to busy trying to win an election to help you out, give one for the cause.
Feisty Red, you've seen the calls for treason charges and impeachment proceedings coming thick and fast on this page for weeks now. Of course, up until now, most of us weren't paying all that much attention, because that was mostly from the same constitutional scholars who wanted our President charged with treason for being black in public, or some such utter balderdash as that.
Pat, you summed it up pretty much perfectly at #9; what I had allowed myself to forget for one blissful moment was that in today's Republican Party, the lunatic fringe is fringe no longer; they're the whole freakin' quilt! The loonies are running the asylum and the Old Guard is running scared. Allen West is already being held up as a martyr, a political victim of Democratic racism- folks, you just can not make this stuff up.
I think we Progressives had better plan on keeping our powder dry and our mailing lists up to date; as I and others have observed on this page, the Bark-At-The-Moon Party has two things that will continue to make them formidable opponents for as far into the future as we're permitted to see: They have millions of mean, stupid bigots to do their bidding, and billions of dollars to bid with. Our goal for 2014 can be no less than supermajorities in both chambers of Congress, and control of two-thirds of the statehouses as well!
Nothing short of passing the Personhood Amendment to overturn Citizens United, and a law mandating public funding for all political campaigns, is going to put the people back in the drivers' seat. As the immortal Hunter S. Thompson once observed in a very similar context: "These swine should be f****d, broken, and driven across the land."
Absofreakinlutely FoxTrotsky!
Foxtrot,
No kidding, I'm wondering how long it will take until the troll talk permeates the floor of Congress?
It's only a matter of time...
I am offering a bounty on Pubbies.
An up vote for every Pubbie comment that gets refuted and debunked.
Please no brain or ear trophies. I don't collect Pubbie organs that are never used.
I am so embarrassed at how the Republicans behave towards President Obama. I used to think they were just opposed to anyone in office who was a Democrat but I just don't know any more how much of it is knee-jerk opposition and how much is racism. Both are despicable.
I think the election has clouded something that would be center stage at another time. To ignore a situation due to elephants and asses is ludicrous. What is really important here. I say it's the lives of these people that have been brutally murdered due to people playing God and the families left behind. No one wants to step forward and admit the wrong doings, no one wants to be punished. Finger pointing has run a muck and the truth will come out some day.
As for our leader with the alleged Sec. of State, he will have to answer to a much higher calling if he gets this wrong. I'd hate to be in his shoes.....or hers.
Beautifully written, FoxTrotsky!
foxy,
did you puke from writing that garbage? I want to know how do you feel about the four americans that begged for help and was refused? I want to know which party was in charge? Does obama like kissing muslim arsh so bad that he blamed it on a tape? who the hell watched the tape? At what point do we blame the republicans and wash our progressive hands of it.
I know you guys won the election and we don't really care about the americans that were killed, all we wnat is to bash the poor innocent president and his puppets.
What a said state of leadership by the Republican House.. Here we are having several issues that need to be handled dealing with our economy and these knuckleheads want to deal with this. Those people should have been voted out instead we have some stupid people supporting stupid people you get stupid results..
It is almost sad what has happened to the GOP. At worse the state dept screwed up here, the president was not even in the loop until way after the incident. It is so apparent they are so bitter at America they are trying to set up Obama for impeachment at some point.
They have nothing. If they keep this up the democrats will get the house back in 201!
He wasn't in the loop until AFTER the incident??
Joel, are you nuts? The president should have and probably was briefed asap. How the hell can you run a country or even a company and everytime something happens , it's I didn't know. That is the biggest bunch of bs I'v ever heard of.
I know, you guys won the election and we are simply being bad sports about this. Obama is black, so we are racist and you are going to vote the rest of the republicans out in 2014. So, what do you have left to come back with?
This line of horse&%*$ from THESE P.O.S.'s?? It makes me wonder how much fuss the Dodo actually kicked up on its way out...
Two more years of these impotent FOP's is waaay more than we should put up with. Those that were re-elected only got there because of the fact that idiots rarely have a better notion. Someone needs to send them the message that blatant obstruction of the necessary processes for the common good and Treason are indeed bed-fellows.
This can no longer be called Democracy so long as these Freaks and Geeks are messing around in it. There was a time when the agitators refused to give up no matter how obvious their loss. They wouldn't stop fighting and come out of their caves so we threw in explosives, shot in flame-throwers, and bulldozed the openings shut. Of course that was to beat back the aggression of a group that worshipped a man as a god and were actively fighting to destroy the American way of life. Wait, what did i just say? Hmmm.
Maybe the investigation will explain why Issa and Chaffetz released sensitive cables with the names of Libyans who were working for the CIA. Would love to see those two censured.
Pretty clear what this is about. Take the momentum away from the President on his budget plans by making up this nonsense on him being a liar. Wasn't the first time they so easily called him that. They STILL can't get over that a minority is President and looks like they never will.
JJ shame on you...
Can't face the facts Babs? You are crying wolf again. And no one is listening this time either.
jjfromny, where I come from when you don't tell the truth you are a lier. If you watched the debates during the election, you would now be aware that obama doesn't have a problem with not telling the truth. I figured that out in a new your minute.
unreal, where I come from we are literate and know how to spell, capitalize and form a coherent sentence. Then there is where you come from, where clearly that is not the case. Also, what exactly is a new your minute? lol
The Republican Party has lost all integrity. In fact it itself has become the Unamerican element in the body politic. Their antics will put this party on the ash heap of history like the Whigs.
Well gee Terry, If the Republican Party has truly "lost all integrity" as you say, then this should be a GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY to reveal the truth .... release all documents, correspondence, e-mails, etc and show the Republicans are wrong.
I expect the obfuscation of truth to continue for quite some time, possibly leading to barack Obama invoking "Executive Privilege" (again) ... and thus quashing the truth !
jim - oh you mean President Obama using Executive Orders 135 times to Bush's 291?
Prove it. I have heard a much higher number for Obama, but get your "irrelevant" little point in ... if you can.
jim - look it up youself - try Snopes since I'm sure you're grasping for that 931 number that was posted in so many lies. LOL! You just look ridiculous! Try any REPUTABLE site!
Here you go Jimm... Jimm...
You're not only a ditto-head you're a lazy ass as well;
PS: Have I mentioned how much I'm enjoying watching your little head explode? LMAO@U
Watching your discomfort knowing President Obama will be YOUR President the next 4 years brings a smile to my face!
Couldn't happen to a bigger fool than YOU!
Feisty - thanks - trying to finish a few things at work and posting at the same time - not the best.
Hold down the for tomorow. I've got meetings all morning!
Anytime GF!
We will leave the light on for you & keep a barstool handy over at the Dew Drop Inn! ☺
Feisty - I'll need it with the week I've had! See ya then!
Bigger fool than Jimm? Wrong redhead, that would be you, and since you voted for odumba, you deserve what you get, higher taxes, class warfare, a piss poor health system you are required to participate in, and an evonomy in the tank because you have too many sucking on the govt teat, you no doubt being the biggest sucker of all
Rosco, don't waste your time on Feisty redhead, she is a chicago thug. They have no morals, no values and apparently no brains. go figure,
I believe they should start impeachment on obama he is a liar and he taking us straight to hell . Being a retired vet and veitnam vet I,ve never seen a person like obama who could care less about military personel or the people of america he think what ever hes say goes and that hes god and he can walk on water and the people of the united states of america. 4 more years of living hell
OMG!! Haaaa haaa ohh haaah, I have never heard anything more inane than that rant. I think that is Viet Nam and guess what, they are doing just fine with out us messing in their government. I'm so sorry you went there for nothing. We are going to do just fine too. God get your heads out of you assess. Republican party is DEAD. They got nothing but bigotry.
AND STFU UNREAL you really are unreal. most of us like Feisty. Calling her a thug is like calling you a brainwashed hypocritical rapist. Unless of course you are a brainwashed hypocritcal rapist. ARE YOU???????? Huh, huh, huh...? Children.
I thought it would be different after the election, especially in light of the Repubtards admission that they were not even a small pup tent in terms of letting others in. Now we see the sour grapes of two losers-that angry old man McCain and the still-befuddled elitist Romney. These are the last gasps of the congressional Republican liars. RIP Republicans and good riddance. You are incapable of changing and a disgrace to our nation.
McCain's talents would be better used if he would go home and help count ballots.
As a fellow Navy Veteran - I have lost all respect for Senator McCain. My hope is that he finally retires while he still has an ounce of dignity left.
Self Educated Voter - too late for that!
He never had any dignity. Remember, in the late 1980s S&L Scandal he was one of the Keating 5.
Thanks and well said. Put a committee on this and let's move on. It's stupid to keep this up. But I guess that's the GOP at its best
What a bunch of douchebags you are. Totally at odds with reality. Why did odumba win? His policies? Which ones? His moral values? Lacking. His foreign policy? He pissed off our allies and made our enemies laugh. Most of America working for the government or on the dole? BINGO BINGO BINGO.
Do the Republicans know that the public has had enough of this crap. I had hoped that after the ass kicking they recieved in the election they might become American citizens again and try to govern the country.
I was wrong. Same old @!$%#.
2014 wll be a blood bath for the Republicans in the House. The American people are fed up with this partisian crap. Govern the country that is what they get paid to do. Why arn't they doing their job?
Carl, so if the Administration is asked questions before the election it is dismissed as “election year politics” and if you ask after the election it is labeled “partisan crap”; then when is it a good time to question the Administration? Why do we have all of these stupid committees in Congress anyway… could it be that “oversight” is a legitimate function of government?
Carl: the Democrats did the same thing 10 years ago...... Opposing parties OPPOSE... That is what they do.
Sure it sucks, but we are America - Not Myannmar....
GOP theater. Susan Rice will be Secretary of State by February.
You're OK with a person that lied about the attacks being the Secretary of State? Her credibility is shot!
To lie is to purposefully state something you know, at the time, to not be true. Ambassador Rice stated the facts as she was informed of them, and also stated the investigation was continuing.
The reality of this political theater is that we don't know who President Obama will select as Secretary of State. As U.N. Ambassador, Ms. Rice has the experience of working with people from every nation of the world, much as the Secretary of State does.
I don't think that President Obama will appoint Rice as SoS, at least not until the fight over taxes and the debt ceiling are completed. Perhaps Sec. Clinton will stay on until that fight is over. By then, the issue of Benghazi will have run its course and the crazy old man from Arizona will have calmed down because the black man who beat him is still in the White House.
The problems in Benghazi, including attacks and inappropriate denials of enhanced security long predate the 9/11 attack. If Al Qaida (and, for that matter, Broadwell in her University of Denver speech) are to be believed (and they are at least as credible as the US government in this) the mission in Benghazi was hardly an innocent/normal diplomatic enterprise. Such a revelation in the middle of an election campaign would have been highly damaging to the administration.
Just as a "mole" lies in place until useful, a "compromised" person sits in his position at the sufferance and
convenience of others. Petraeus fell in line with the administration meme re the videotape and flashmob when, theoretically, his chit may either have been cashed in or he, proactively, sought to court favor with those holding it. That is as plausible an explanation for his falling in with the administration fabrication as any that has yet surfaced...and his "falling in line" is beyond dispute. Curiously, this line of thought might well vindicate UN Ambassador Susan Rice who, otherwise, is the fall guy for the administration duplicity.
Then you have this kabuki dance about who knew and when. We understand that Cantor learned about the FBI investigation in late October and promptly passed the information on to Mueller, the FBI Chief (which
is sort of like carrying coal to Newcastle since Mueller should hardly have found this news) and we now know that Mueller and his boss, Holder, both knew months ago. If anyone wants to believe that this was not conveyed to Obama in quick time, you surely also believed Nixon when he said he was not a crook.
How this would have cut, coming out before the election, is not at all clear so we would have to speculate as to whether Cantor and the various administration players acted out of prudence, calculation or simple inertia in declining to politicize the information...would a publicly "compromised" Petraeus have been an
asset, liability or non-factor?
In discussing "the cover-up", we are begging the question of what it was that was being covered up...Petraeus affair or Benghazi? The connection I allege is an effort in linking dots that, even now, is quite speculative. Stay tuned: just as in Watergate, this is going to take time.
Nov. 6th made it obvoius that we are a nation of selfish idiots who care nothing about facts, decency, or honesty. The comments here just solidify that. You Marxist Liberal idiots. How many tapes of BO, Hillary, and Susan Rice denying this was a terrorist attack and blaming it on a you tube movie clip do you have to see to remind you that's what happened, you can't re-write history to suit your perverted ideas this quickly. An honest word has never come from Obama's mouth, his whole life let alone his recent campaign. This screwup and cover-up dwarfs Watergate big time. No one died in Watergate. Impeach and Imprison the Muslim Marxist!
Actually sluggo Nov 6th made it obvious that dimwits such as yourself are the minority in this country and shrinking fast. Thanks for playing.
We are clearly witnessing history in realtime. The GOP will not recover from the impact of losing an election that wealthy donors promised on a gold and silver platter. The GOP lost two Senate Seats because the TEA Party offered up two absolute jackasses for the Senate Seats in Missouri and Indiana. The GOP spent millions of dollars in Massachusetts, only to see the existing Republican Seat ripped from the GOP Machine. Now, we see the GOP screaming and yelling, trying to save the reputation of the GOP's Fair Haired Boy (Petraeus) who they planned to rollout for the 2014 and 2016 Elections. Clearly, the GOP is trying to coverup the fact that the CIA was operating a clandestine Paramilitary Operation in Libya, and the Benghazi Consulate was the Headquarter for the CIA Sanctioned Paramilitary Operation. The attack on the consulate was either aimed directly at the CIA, or the CIA was holding and interrogating prisoners at the Benghazi Consulate. The US Ambassador was clearly at the wrong place at the wrong time. If al Qaeda wanted to kill the US Ambassador he could be found, almost everyday, on the streets of the city, talking with local citizens. The DCIA at that time was Petraeus, and Petraeus approved the initial statement to the State Department. Sort of sounds like Tenet sending a message to Condi Rice regarding WMD's. The GOP is going to fade away, like the odor of cow crap in the back forty.
It will also come out that there were those in the CIA who didn't care for the arrogance Patraeus displayed by surrounding himself with his own band of sycophants who insulated him from the rest of the CIA grunts and worker-bees. BTW, statements made by Patraeus' mistress during a public speaking engagaement just before this scandal broke alluded to the fact prisoners were being interrogated at the consulate in Benghazi. Her recorded statements are now being examined because it shows she may have been privy to classified information.
Diane - a source for your "facts?"
Diane obviously gets her facts from the same source all hard-line Republications get it: the tea party fanatics. BTW: when did we finally admit that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction. I think some Republicans are still looking for them.
The only WMD's the GOP has been able to find were the planks of the party platform approved in FL.
Who gives a crap about more fake outrage and lies from republicans? I've never seen so much hypocritical bs in my life. No matter how much you try to make it into some big scandal, it is a tragedy, not some conspiracy crap. My God, you people set the standard back in the Bush days, and now you are bitching about it. Get a grip, the right looks crazy enough already. This is not what you are so desperately trying to make it. It's pitiful.
More Bush Beaters and Obot in denial about their Idol, Benghazi will follow him until his nose grows as long as the Washington Monument is tall.
Uhh, Lib50.....
I remember when the attacks were coming from the other side only a few years ago. Don't you think that this rubbish goes around all the time? Opposition parties are going to do just that: Oppose. Ever heard of Question Hour in the House of Commons??? That is more ugly and rude in that chanber than we are in ours....
It is democracy and a whole lot better than what the Arab, the African, and the Asian people have to put up with in most of their countries. A lot of those people are getting shot for demanding just a small amount of freedom
Be thankful and let the opposition oppose....
Peace
Actually Diane is right about Broadwell possibly having classified info. You can see the Broadwell video and articles here:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/11/Petraeus-Mistress-Terrorists-Attacked-U-S-Consulate-To-Take-Back-Militia-Members-Captured-By-CIA-Annex-Obama-Admin-Denied-Requests-For-Reinforcements
or here
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/11/12/why-did-paula-broadwell-think-the-cia-had-taken-prisoners-in-benghazi/
or here
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/11/alleged-petraeus-mistress-suggested-she-was-privy-to-state-secrets.html
or here
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/12/paula-broadwell-benghazi-attack-petraeus/1699207/
or here
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/nov/11/picket-video-petraeus-mistress-benghazi-attack-hap/
Or many other places. This has been all over the news. Clearly you all must have missed it.
It is one thing to oppose, it is another to manufacture (or try to) a 'scandal'. This is a tragedy. Republicans are scraping the barrel to try to find a way to make this into something that is is not. And I used to live in England so I am well aware of 'question hour'. They don't pull crap out of their asses their though, like republicans are doing now.
Same old hypocrite Teapublican B.S. Once again trying to draw attention away from there obstructionist agenda. The GOP is worthless and I think more people every day are realizing that, they're so busy promoting themselves, they don't have any interest in helping the country, the country they themselves so thoroughly trashed!!!
GOP = Greed Over People !!!