@Ursula - that is the funniest damn thing I have read all week. Sucks to be a RWNJ poster on this site right about now. They lost the race, lost Romney, and now lost their favorite bitching point - Blaming Bush!!!

It's the gift that keeps on giving!

Republicans can't see how out of touch they really are. Remarkable.

The list of reasons are a mile long and it's all of the above and more.

I guess they couldn't just come out and say, "We fielded an idiot."

Guess they think all the lying and flip-flopping didn't have an effect? Or the 47% video? Just a bit delusional.

Romney is another lousy Republican who refuses to take responsibility for his own failures, and simply wants to blame somebody rather than "take personal responsibility" for himself.

For the record, nobody gave me anything, but no matter what, I would have never voted for Mitt Robme.

Forward >>>

Ursula, you nailed it!

Actually, I think the Republicans didn't do themselves any favors by not examining the condition George W. left his Party in.

If they had, they wouldn't have nominated another rich-boy non-Vietnam Vet from the 60's.

America likes to elect the opposite of the previous President, and Obama was as opposite to Bush as you could get. Naturally, he had a leg up on being re-elected, if only because the country hadn't gotten the taste of George out of it's mouth. I think the Republicans were in such denial over Bush's legacy they couldn't organize a campaign that would address those failures. Ironically, I think Jeb Bush is about the only Republican who got that.

Fewer whites, fewer republicans. And they're not racist?

Actually, I'd say Bush did have something to do with his loss. Romney didn't offer up anything substantially different from Bush. So Bush was a factor. So was the lying, the disregard for the middle class, the flip flopping, the terrible job he did as governor, the lying, Bain Capital, lying, Paul Ryan, lying, not releasing his taxes, and did I mention the lying?

You mean to tell me they didn't toss Christie under the bus to boot?

Interesting he called the President on election night, while Willard got an e-mail! lol

Great... now the GOP won't even believe their own data. Oh wait, was this the same group that did their pre-election polling? Funny, there's so few adults actually left in the GOP and the kiddies just don't want to take their medicine. So go ahead and keep running your party on the advice of Rush, Grover, and FauxNews and we'll see you in '14....

Hey Mitt, how about YOU take personal responsibility for your own failures!!!

They're right about the Bush part too. Some folks won't be able to forget about George "Curveball" Bush until we get over all the damage Bush did to this country and to the American People!

Well Well Well, finally the GOP have come over to the dark side and realized that GWB pucked things up more than first imagined. Not surprising when close to 60% would blame Bush for the fiscal cliff if we jump off. Weird I know.. But thats the fact Jack

Now Mittens, what "gifts" are you talking about and do you have proof? YOU LOST. 332-206.. Sounds more like a Cricket score than the election.

The GOP have many problems. You can't win with only White support anymore. Sorry, well unless its Berry White baby.. The GOP have had a color problem for decades and it's finally caught up to them. That big tent they pitch comes in one color, one flavor. White & Vanilla. The GOP will try to throw Marco up as VP nominee along side another Goofy Old Person who is white in 2016.. But alas its just lipstick on a pig. The GOP cater to the rich. Hence their last nominee who was worth more than most of the previous 44 Presidents put together.

The the GOP will be lucky to get the WH in 2020..

LMAO! Apparently, the GOP-TP, has not forgotten Dubya either!

I guess they couldn't just come out and say, "We fielded an idiot."

That's not exactly correct. It's become the party of idiots is the real problem. They are foaming at the mouth, wack-job, American Taliban, dingbat, reality denying, weirdo, idiots.

I personally think the biggest reason for Mr. Romney's loss was TOTAL lack of support by the Republican party. I didn't see anybody campaigning for him from the rank and file of Republicans including the George Bush. Have a good day.

And the Republicans are run by a dingbat idiot cadre with Grover in the wheelhouse. What this guy says about Grover Norquist is way nicer than what I would say.

http://quantiger.wordpress.com/tag/grover-norquist/

http://quantiger.wordpress.com/2011/11/29/the-idiot/

....don't beat around the Bushes...it's Bush's fault...because of Bush's Heckuva job?

Arthur66 - God has already helped our country by making sure Romney did not become President.

Fiesty - they seem to have left out that women in this country refuse to be "controlled." They still just don't get it!

If you really want to know why Republicans lost in 2012, you have to look no further than "Arthur66"'s post.

This Republican 'scorched earth' approach to truth and facts that differ from their own beliefs alienates potential voters and leaves the Democratic candidate as the only sane choice.

ATTN: Moderators

Arthur66 is continuously posting the same thing. Please moderate and do as needs to be done. Thank You! See comment 1.19 & 5.5

If one is to believe FOX news lately, there are those of the Republican persuasion saying that Romney was not vicious enough to vote for. He did not wave chainsaws around and vow to cut enough safety nets to suit them. The fiscal obsessives are asserting themselves against more moderate members of that party. The extremists think they lost because they were not extreme enough. One thing is for sure, if they listen to the extremists, the GOP is through as a party. If they become the party of austerity, no one will vote for them....ever.

LMAO! Apparently, the GOP-TP, has not forgotten Dubya either!

Fuzzy,

So much for keeping Dubya on the down low...

Seems out of sight doesn't equate to out of mind!

Well let's see.

Comments about Rape and abortion - Lose the female vote

Self deportation - Lose the Latino vote.

Let GM fail - No Ohio win.

"Let's get PA" - Not outdoing Pitt or Phily

47% comment - And you really expected the middle class to agree with you?

Still coming off the coattails of GWB - Fail....

And to top it all off, a visceral primary...

Republicans started to believe their own propaganda that anyone but Obama would win the election. If they keep believing that, they won't win presidential elections. They'll probably get a boost in the midterm elections due to the people that vote, but it won't help them outdo these mistakes in the main election cycle.

Also, Gifts? He's really going to try to claim the election win was from gifts? Republicans gives gifts to their own groups as well. How many times have you seen a religious group benefit from their policies?

To RNC from a middle aged white female voter,

If you want to see what went wrong, your base is the last group to speak with because they will feed you with excuses. You need to interview the electorate. I don't mean only people like me, I mean people of all sorts of colors and classes and cultures to see what they are looking for. . . . What am I doing? Giving you advice on how to succeeed next time? I'll shut up now. Carry on. Keep interviewing your base for answers.

Here's a shocker for the RNC.

Maybe you lost because your candidate was unlikeable, pretentious and out of touch with 99.999999999% of Americans!

Try a little harder next time! We'll be watching!

Still nothing about placating to the social conservative morons in their fringes and calling moderates of their party RINO's and the disenfranchised republicans-turned-moderates as idiots.

Romney would have done a much better job if he first didn't have to act like he was a conservative nutjob to appease the Fundies in the Bible-Belt and then subsequently pretend he was an entirely different politician from the one that was governor in MA

Most of the country is moving away from the outdated, racist and misogynistic beliefs held-close by the social conservatives.

The GOP would be doing themselves a favor by focusing first and foremost on SOUND economic policy NOT TRICKLE DOWN, acknowledging why the Bush II presidency was an utter failure and showing what they've learned to do differently, and working tirelessly to make the GOP a party of educated and worldly people rather than myopic, xenophobic, superstitious and racist ignoramuses!

But the GOP is hooked on Fundies like the Fundies are hooked on meth and Jesus. It's a huge, ignorant voting bloc that will pour out to the polls and support completely nonsensical fiscal policies simply on the promise of the candidate being pro-life and blur the line between separation of church-and-state. These zealots are what the NeoCons need to keep milking off the government teat and or scamming the nation with their current gravy-train.

Teddy Roosevelt and Eisenhower are the only Republican candidates that I could conceivably support today. TR for his trust busting and consumer-protections, Eisenhower for his support of infrastructure modernization and supporting American industry. Figure out how to run them again...or better yet, someone just like them!

Let's call it for the real reason... you fascist pricks lost because you ripped off Ron Paul... I'm done with you @!$%#s..

YES! YES! YES! It IS Bush's fault!

Told ya so, told ya so, told ya so.

Nah-nah-nah-nah.

Uh..sorry, that was undignified and normally beneath me, but after four years of hearing the Ditto-heads blame Obama for the recession and the long, slow road back to recovery it just felt so GOOOOOD.

I never thought I'd say it, but I agree with the RNC.

Of course there is more to the formula, but they are still in denial about the rest of it concerning their positions on abortion, gays and immigration. Not to mention their full frontal assault on women, social security and medicare/medicaid. Vouchers anyone?

So far all I've heard is: We lost because,

"We weren't conservative enough"

"We didn't rally our base enough"

"We didn't articulate our positions well"

"We need to deliver our positions "more carefully" about abortion etc."

"Romney is a putz"

The last one is the best. Republicans keep with your positions and don't change them so Democrats can continue to win in 2016, 2020 and 2024.

Since GOP continues to blame everybody but themselves for their loss, they are certain to lose again in the next election.

I think it would be priceless if it was discovered the reason for the GOP not getting out the vote was because of voter suppression in Florida and Ohio.

Mitt please keep talking ! The more you do the more you expose yourself as well as the Republican party. Your latest utterings PROVE beyond any doubt that you are totally convinced that half of America is on the dole and lazy good for nothings ! Yes Obama won because he gave 'freebies' to minorities, students and women!!! Am I glad you did not get elected. Please - take you millions and just go hide somewhere.. we have had enough of you and please take your buddies along.....

finally there is something I would agree with the RNC - we have argued over and over..it's Bush's fault..the entire world economy..

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but it's much deeper than that..Bush was just doing the biddings of corporations and the Wall Street which shoved those policies down Bush's throat.

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The GOP brand is the real problem...

TO: Oscar Rules who wrote:

"Sooo... care to expound on what Hussein has done different than Bush?"

Well, two big things immediately stand out: Number one, President Obama didn't lie us into war; and two, President Obama didn't grow up with terrorist friends who hit us on 9/11.

Its not beneath you.....its right where you live. PROXYSERVERS thousands of them!!!!!

I think Romney lost because those who do support him run around online acting like total and complete douchebags. JustAnotherVeteran and Arthur are perfect cases in point. They use words like "libtard" and spread unsubstantiated opinions as if they were truths written in stone. They're completely and totally obnoxious, dishonest, and don't just resort but rush to name calling.

I think if anyone wants a good example of why the republicans lost, just look to their followers who represent their party and ideology every day. Rude, ugly, and mentally inferior...not just to Democrats but to most children as well. So yes, Romney lost because his followers are douchebags and most of you who run your mouth on here are proof of that. Maybe if you weren't such horrible people the GOP could bounce back...but I doubt it. No one likes a hateful person.

OMG, I was gone for awhile and returned to find out it's all Bush's fault Mitt Romney lost...thus sayeth the RNC. Well, that and those mysterious "gifts" such as changing demographics, a hurricane, and the middle class stopped buying the trickle down lie.

The RNC left off one big reason, they had a REALLY BAD CANDIDATE, they chose a "well-oiled weather vane", they chose a candidate who lied 71% of the time and that candidate picked an even worse VP choice, the head cheerleader for a Walmart-style discount "coupon" for medicare.

But he has certainly been accused of it a thousand times a day.

Reaper, and many of those posters were hired by Grover and Rover to do exactly that. Notice how they have all vanished, as of Election Day? Yep. No longer being paid to rant and rave and chew up the scenery with their lies about President Obama.

In 2008, why was Mitt Romney NOT nominated to be the Republican candidate??? Why did McCain get the nomination instead? Because a lot of the Republican base did not feel that Romney was the right man for the job. (No pun intended.) So, why did a reject from the 2008 election make a comeback in the 2012 election?

Rick Perry was cartoonishly absent minded. No one took Michelle Bachman seriously. Herman Cain had lady troubles. Newt Gingrich had a scandelous past that followed him. And finally, Rick Santorum had a crazy look in his eye that made him look like a wacko cult leader - and when he spoke, he sounded like one too.

So, Mitt Romney, a reject from the 2008 election, was still not as bad as his even worse Republican contenders. So, if John McCain, a far better Republican candidate, could not defeat Obama, Romney didn't have a chance.

Reasons why I would not have voted for Mr. Romney:

1) I don't agree with his stance on abortion.

2) I don't agree with his stance on birth control.

3) I didn't agree with his politicizing death of our soldiers while not giving them the honor that is their due for their sacrifices.

4) I don't like that he waged a 'smear campaign' bent on discrediting his opponent (and just to be clear, I did not like it that President Obama's campaign also did their best to smear Romney.)

5) I don't agree with the Republican platform, as shown by several notable Republicans' remarks: Akin's remarks on the female human's biophysical defenses against rape; King's remarks that it should be as legal to take your kids to a dogfight as to a boxing/wrestling match, among others)

6) I disliked Mr. Romney's clumsy attempts to play in the international sandbox, as he did with his remarks in Britain prior to the Olympics and the other countries he visited;)

7)I disliked that he said he would advocate for continuing US involvement in Middle East conflict;

8)I didn't hear anything concrete from him on his stance on immigration reform;

9) I didn't hear his stance on reduction of government spending to reduce the budget deficit;

10) I didn't like what I'd read on how he handled natural disasters in his home state of Massachusetts while he was governor; it didn't inspire any faith that he would do any better as President of a whole country.

And on a personal note, I worried for what it would mean for this country if President, Vice-President, and Speaker of the House were all Republican, especially as said Speaker of the House has requested that his 33 member Congressional committee be given sole oversight of a significant chunk of our government. I also don't want John McCain that close to presidential power (his co-operation with the enemy during Vietnam being part of that dislike, and also because he has blatantly violated his oath as a public official to 'uphold the Constitution' when he co-authored the 'indefinite detention' clause of the NDAA for FY2012.

Maybe you lost because your candidate was unlikeable, pretentious and out of touch with 99.999999999% of Americans!

That only leaves him being in touch with Anne's private parts.

A Winning Game Plan

From the article above:

RNC Chair Reince Priebus presented to GOP senators on Wednesday, states that "demographic change" in the United States "is real."

And it points out that "3 in 10 voters will be minorities in 2016."

includes data from the exit poll showing that voters -- by a 53%-to-38% margin -- blamed Bush for the state of the economy instead of Obama.

And the presentation observes that 44% of voters believed Obama's policies favored the middle class, versus 34% who said that of Romney's policies.

I have said the phrase “new America” several times over the past week. Some on the right find that amusing, and even contrite.

Seems to me, Reince Priebus is coming to the realization this is true.

David Axelrod put together a campaign strategy that proved he and the President’s strategists understood this to be true. Using 2010 Census data, David was able to create a game plan that focused specifically on districts where they could win, thus winning the Electoral Votes for that state.

Some of you sports fans out there understand that a good game plan makes for winning teams. For all intensive purposes, the Democrats have won two Super bowls in a row.

And if the head of the RNC is seriously looking at this data to gain a better understanding why Republicans have lost two Presidential Elections in a row.

Is the rest of the Right-Wing media, including on-line bloggers, going to take it seriously as well?

Or are you going to just shrug it off and proceed "business as usual".

Say what you will RW bloggers, but right now, Democrats know how to win. Your side needs to go back to the coaches’ room and look at some film. Otherwise, we will keep winning and that is fine by me.

Salud

The conservative's sole objective for the past 4 years was not about creating jobs, improving the economy, reducing the debt, increasing the American standard of living, or anything else to address the horrendous condition that they and the last conservative/republican president created. Instead their whole platform was to make Obama a "one term" president. It didn't matter how high unemployment was. It didn't matter that seniors investments and pensions have lost value and earned measly returns after 4 years. The Conservative Clown Posse only wanted money and power for themselves. Pure and simple. I'm glad the American people saw this and sent them a very clear message about buying into their rhetoric, distortions, and lies. The most offensive part of the conservative platform is that they honestly believe the American people are too stupid to see them for what they truly are.

It also observes that Obama's response to Hurricane Sandy "provided a bump" to the president

So it seems God must be a liberal to send a hurricane just in time to give Obama a bump just before the election. And here the bible-thumping Republicans were so sure he was on their side. He probably did it to punish them for denying we are screwing up his planet with our CO2 emissions.

Looked up the definition of republican. It said sore loser. At least they are admitting they are the problem, not the solution. lol lol lol

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Sorry for the typo - the line should read as follows:

And if the head of the RNC is seriously looking at this data to gain a better understanding why Republicans have lost two Presidential Elections in a row, is the rest of the Right-Wing media, including on-line bloggers, going to take it seriously as well?

Awwww, Arthur66 do you have a case of the sour grapes?

There is a cure, you can stop your belly aching and instead of being part of the problem with this country you can try to be part of the solution, that goes for all of you whining Republicans. Do you think complaining on a forum is going to make people see things your way? or that you're "one upping" someone else with your hatred towards the President? The only thing you're doing is showing how truly un-American you are. You wish for this President to fail, not realizing that we all fail if he fails. How about swallowing your pride, turning off Fox and Rush, think for yourselves and write your congressmen telling them to get off their a$$ and stop with the bickering? It may not help but it can do more than complaining on the internet.

BTW those who keep calling Obama voters "idiots" or "lefties" realize this, Obama won the popular vote as well, so that puts YOU in the minority and I doubt the majority of Americans are the stupid ones.

I don't think Romney lost.

I think Obama won - and semantics DO matter.

but the thing is, republicans went around delusionally believing they had this in the bag - because they couldnt fathom how ALL of america didnt hate Obama as much as the right wingers do.

newsflash, all of america isnt as racist and partisanly blinded by hatred as you are.

sorry, but when the shoe fits...you just need to wear it.

and im glad to see that 60% of americans are quite aware when the economy crashed - On bush's watch, NOT OBAMA'S.

those trillion dollar deficits - a direct results of 800K jobs lost a month for almost a year, coupled with trillion dollar tax cuts for the wealthiest of americans.

it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out we didnt spend more, we just took in considerably less.

more drawing "entitlement benefits" like welfare, unemployment insurance, food stamps...again, a DIRECT result of the economic crash of 2008 - NOT OBAMA'S POLICIES.

True. republicans dont want to help anyone...so, I guess you can blame Obama for giving a SH!T more about working americans, than the top 2%.

The've enjoyed 12 years of record low tax rates...party is over rich guys, it's a shame you didnt create more jobs and refrain from imploding our economy, your tax breaks MIGHT have continued.

you've only got your "lack of job creating ways" to blame.

As an older white guy, I am absolutely insulted and ashamed of the ignorance coming out of the mouths of the other older white guys. This is NOT an issue of demographics. This is NOT an issue of minorities taking over the world. This is simply a case where the RNC/GOP offered absolutely no concrete solution to ANYTHING and took shameless position after position on social and economic issues.

What they need to learn:

Minorities are not nearly as susceptible to the "he's different" narrative (racism).

You cannot win an election by bashing virtually every category of people.

Had they offered a clear and consice economic solution that actually made sense and added up, they might have won.

Obama's "gifts" as they call it, only worked because the GOp told all but us old white guys to "go f@#k youselves".

The GOP doesn't need a new narrative or a bag of "gifts"... they need to listen and convince the nation that they give a sh!t again... about EVERYONE.

Why did Mitt lose; well besides what the RNC has already said perhaps people also didn't like that Rove, and Koch Bros among others were trying to buy the election for him. I consider myself a conservative Dem. but I wasn't conservative enough to fall for Mitt's mistakes. Someone said we need another Ike Eisenhower, or Teddy Roosevelt and they are right. There are some Veterans who have retired in the last few years that perhaps the RNC can convince to run if they don't tie in the Tea-potters.

Really? They can't figure this out??

GOP, listen. This is simple. Six words, commit them to memory. Now repeat after me:

You. Are. Too. Far. Effing. Right.

It's that easy. You have no appeal to moderates with your off-the-cliff extremism.

I didn't like him. I didn't trust him. Not showing your tax records. I honestly don't know how any woman would have voted for him unless she were TOLD TO by her husband. He was not a mentality I wanted in the White House.

Exhibit #1 for why the Republican party lost the 2012 Presidential Election, 2-5 Senate seats, and several House seats.

Terry-#'s, please keep up your posts for the next two years. That way we "democraps" can ensure that we will take back the House and have one party rule through 2016.

Thanks Terry-#'s for doing your part to reinforce the Republican brand of hate!

Terry-

Where the hell are Hispanics going to go to better themselves when the USA is just another Latin American @!$%# hole.

That's it, Terry. Let it all out.

I wonder if your ancestors felt the same way about the African Americans, or the Irish. or the Germans. or the Polish. or the Chinese, or the Japanese, or the Vietnamese, or the Cubans, or the Puerto Ricans, or the Haitians, or the...you get the idea.

What really should have happened, is the Native American's should have kicked you sorry-azz ancestors out when they got off the boat.

Salud

I'd love to vote Republican but they haven't given me a candidate in DECADES! Send me someone who is from the "working class", a little closer to center and NOT Mormon!

Laura-

One of the great things about Bush was that he never chose to blame the Clinton administration for anything eventhough many things, including the sub-prime mortgage mess were carry-overs from Clinton.

Here is it for all to see.

You just praise Bush for not blaming the previous administration, then blamed the Clinton Administration.

WoW!!!

So, to recap: It was OK for the Bush Administration to blame the Clinton Administration but NOT ok for the Obama Administration to blame the Bush Administration.

You wouldn't be Laura Bush by any chance, would you?

Salud

L Marc - you made a lot of sense there.

Im curious about what you think about the taxes. I dont know if you have looked at the historical data about the taxation rates - but the last time they were this low on the wealthiest of americans was the last time our economy crashed.

Do you think it's time for republicans to admit that there is in fact a point when taxes get TOO LOW?

It seems to me, if more americans were working, more americans would be paying taxes, and our deficit wouldnt be imploding...

but the past 30 years we've seen the wealth trickle up, jobs shipped overseas for greater CEO and Shareholder profits...and the economic crash of 2008 saw 800K jobs lost a month, and many of the larger employers who shed the most employees subsequently saw record profits - while the rest of america was struggling, mightily...

While I hear the arguement from republicans that raising taxes will kill job growth, I wonder how they can say that with a straight face while complaining about a lack of job growth.

Something has to give...

and I firmly believe that if the Job Creators wont create jobs, and only focus on creating their own personal wealth - it's up to the govt to tax them, use that money and put people to work.

we dont want handouts, we f'ing jobs...but where the bleep are they?

"im too scared to hire people, too much uncertainty"...yeah, well, the rich have it all...it's an absolute insult THEY are the terrified ones.

that alone is why Obama won, we're the ones hurting, we're the ones struggling...and the only thing Romney would promise, was not to raise taxes on the wealthiest of americans.

what are your thoughts on that? do you think at some point, if they arent going to create jobs as their "title" implies...we just have to tax them and create them ourselves?

when 10% of our population has 90% of the wealth...what choice do we have left but to tax them?

The Republican party of the United States is neither "Conservative", "Moral", "Majority" OR "Fiscally Responsible". These were their principle selling points in the past. What's left?

Answer: Hate, bigotry, racism, sexism, ignorance, prejudice, bias, mob mentality.

Democrats, please be worthy of inheriting the entire U.S. political landscape, which is happening with each election. Do not allow power to corrupt, do not fail yourselves or us. You're all that's left. You're the sole remaining hope for our nation. Be worthy. Earn this.

To all my Dem friends in here. I say we should not be telling the GNOP what they did wrong. Let the chase there tails around for 40 years again. They will never get it if we don't tell them what they did wrong. So we should keep quite about it. But can you believe what Romney told his big donors this morning. It was Obama's fault I lost. Well News flash, Obama handed you your ass Mr. Richie Romney. For all your money and all your lies, Yes it was Obama's fault. He out Showed you. I didn't think the President did very well in the first debate, But what I did see was a rude dude in a suit that thinks he was in a board room pushing people around, Unless I have missed my guess, The President's men let romney control the first debate. But 2 & 3 was all the President, He beat romnay like a drum. I keep waiting to hear that Carl Rove and Dick Army and romney are missing. You can't still that kind of money from these kinds of people and live to tell about it. I am willing to bet we have seen the last of Rove. Bushes brain is dead.

Romney received a 3.7 million dollar gift from the IRS. His tax rate for his investment income dropped to 15%. So now he blames people receiving the Gift of food stamps because their jobs were sent to China. He also blames people for tying him to G W Bush, well when your staff is made up of 70% of Bush people what other conclusion is there.

The real Elephant in the room is when republicans spoke about what they really believe. They believe Rape is no reason for abortion, modern medicine can always save the life of the mother (tell that to the families of the 600 women who die each year in child birth) and the kicker corporations are people.

The GOP hasn't a clue...As long as the GOP is totally controlled by special interests and bull sh!TS about everything they'll never be viable representatives of we the smart people. He He... Say no way to fascism.

The RNC's fuller "deep dive" has already been well under way, commencing when they selected either of the George Bushs (H.W. and W.) for president, and has taken a steeper downward plane ever since, to wit: Additions such as the tea party!

If it were a submarine, the RNC would be exceeding crush depth right about now...

Actually I wish Boehner would give in and tax "the rich" so all you teet sucking liberals can see socialism doesn't work. If you actually had a real education, instead of a government provided spoon fed watered down lesson of history, you would see socialism has led to the demise of a multitude of nations. Currently you are seeing in Greece, Spain and the majority of Europe

The USA is currently ranked 13th in the "Quality of Life" index, behind countries such as Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and yes, Spain, all of whom I suspect you would consider "socialist"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-life_Index

Tomas Grande said;

I wonder if your ancestors felt the same way about the African Americans, or the Irish. or the Germans. or the Polish. or the Chinese, or the Japanese, or the Vietnamese, or the Cubans, or the Puerto Ricans, or the Haitians, or the...you get the idea.

Actually, yes, they did.

Back in the mid to late 1800's, American railroad barons were importing Chinese workers by the boatload, the males to work on the railroad, the females as brothel fodder. People started complaining about the 'yellow peril'--signs posted in both Chinese and English provoked comments such as 'if this keeps up we'll all be speaking Chinese.' 'They need to learn English or get out.' 'We shouldn't have to pander to them.' 'If this keeps up we'll become a Chinese colony'. 'They're stealing our women' and so on and so forth.

This led to the US passing laws in the late 1890's that banned all Chinese from further immigration to the US. The ones who were already here were not allowed to marry whites, were not allowed to own property, had special neighborhoods set aside for them in major population areas(think Chinatown in San Francisco) and many other laws, which actually remained on the books until the Civil Rights movement of the 60's.

If you look at the sentiments that were expressed then against the 'yellow peril' then, you'll see the exact same things now being said against the 'brown peril'. We haven't learned our lesson from history--it's not the incoming people who are the problem, it's how we view them--automatically assuming that someone with a Latino/Hispanic last name is illegal is a symptom of that problem.

Did anyone see the post about McCain and Romney bashing the President over Benghazi. Both of these guy's were bet down bad by President Obama and hey are still trying to be relevant. You can see that McCain is just so pissed still. I guess McCain parachuted in to save us all again from the bad President. Like he did when the economic was crashing and told us the US economic was fundamentally Sound. Right, we were on solid ground all the time. McCain needs to retire and go where the rest of the nasty old men of the Gnop go to live out there days. That is the best thing he could do for his Country. McCain No one wants to hear from you anymore. We believe you like we believe Romney, that is to say we don't.

A few things that were not mentioned in the article, and I presume, were not mentioned in the report:

1. Mitt Romney. Aside from the flip-flopping which has already been mentioned, and his creepy cardboard personality, Mitt loved to say "I know how to create jobs," but he never, ever went on to say how. This strongly suggests to the voters that he doesn't know. And when, very late in the campaign, he finally came up with one specific policy proposal, it was to extract more money from Warren Buffet by restricting deductions, while lowering rates. But again, he never once explained why that would be better than simply raising rates on the top incomes. And again, this strongly suggests to the voters that he in fact doesn't know what he's talking about.

2. Paul Ryan. Another guy who doesn't know how to connect with an audience. But Ryan's fatwa against Medicare probably cost them Florida and might even have made a difference in Pennsylvania.

3. Republican policies. Apart from just being George Bush III, when Romney did open his mouth, he spouted horribly unpopular policies. He was wrong on the auto bailout. I don't know what he was thinking when he suggested that illegal immigrants might voluntarily "self-deport." And when it's been known for a year or more that 60% of Americans believe that deficit reduction must include some tax increases, it's no surprise that his tax proposals didn't seal the deal for him. Finally, his failure to distance himself from the Bible-thumping woman-haters in his party meant that the votes of women weren't going to rescue him.

Face it, Romney was a horrible candidate with a nearly invisible platform (horrible where visible), but then remember who he out-lasted in the primaries. Huntsman was the only sane one of the lot, but he dropped out before a single vote was cast because he couldn't raise money.

Next time around, in an open race with no incumbent, some actual serious Republican candidates might run.

P.S. Jeb Bush, you say? Oh, please, stop, you're killing me. Really? I think you misunderestimate how deeply unpopular that name is. Want references? Ask the folks who scripted the Republican convention. Tell me again what time slot they gave W? Oh really? How many times he was mentioned?

Romney

- had to align with the far right and keep the tea party to get nominated, abandoning moderate republicans and alienating any dems he might have a chance to get

- after that he needed a close state VP and unfortunately Ryan was the guy... making the privatization of Medicare through vouchers an issue

- then he got exposed for being an elitist by the 47% thing

- lastly he tried to be Reagan... mannerisms, mocking smirks in debates, issue choices, big defense spending agenda... but he's not

in short Romney wasn't his own guy... he was the tea party plus ryan plus reagan... and that isnt going to win these days

TO: Laura-313822 who wrote:

"... If anything is not good, blame Bush.

Nothing happening after January 20, 2009 is Bush's fault. We just happen to have a president who refuses to take responsibility for his own administration.

One of the great things about Bush was that he never chose to blame the Clinton administration for anything eventhough many things, including the sub-prime mortgage mess were carry-overs from Clinton. Bush also didn't waste time worrying about those who chose to insult him. He just got over it and moved on without whining about them."

There's another reason Romney couldn't get in -- Republicans just can't tell "fact" from "fantasy" and get too many things backwards and just plain wrong.

Being that Republicans are too distant from reality, why on earth would we put their leader in the White House?

Republicans already had Bush, and still can't deal with that reality.

And, by the way, Bush blamed everybody for everything Bush himself did, and then laughed at his followers for being so blind and stupid they would believe every blatant lie Bush told them.

So, is it safe to assume by Republican 'logic' that since many claimed the hurricane was a factor and hurricanes are Acts of G-d, that G-d supports this President and we can now move ON?

nah,...that will just stick in the righties craws, eh?

Oh well,...In my book, the best man WON! Through hard work, competence and in the hearts and minds of the majority who voted.

Time to stop the arm chair quarterbacking and get to the business of running the country,...NOT obstructing! And yet, by the tone of McCain, Graham and even Romney yesterday - they have no intention of being mature about it! UGH!

the RNC says it will conduct a fuller "deep dive" report into what worked in 2012 and what didn't.

Listen RNC, you don't need to do a Deep Dive, you need 3 things:

1. Get rid of your extremely noisy teapublicans and talibangelists, they do not represent America
2. Review in a dictionary the word COMPROMISE and apply it
3. Forget the fallacy of Trickle down economics, the rich are the best in asking for freebies, but they are the ones who need them the least

With these 3 things you will get nearer the middle class.

Do you want the Latino and African American vote?, get rid of the very loud racism and xenophobia within you ranks (point 2 again)

God sent hurricane Sandy because he wanted to smiteth the godless, racist, greedy, nasty, war mongering, legitimate raping, lying Republicans. (other than that they're nice folks). Whats that I hear, wailing and gnashing of teeth? Put on your political asbestos suits.

Even little grover Norquist said that the Repubs had " a poopy candidate."

Anyway, I thought the grover said back in the summer that all they needed was someone who could sign his name!?!

TO: Crystal-569996 who wrote:

"Dumbass women..."

That's just one more thing Republicans got wrong.

Huntsman was the only sane one of the lot, but he dropped out before a single vote was cast because he couldn't raise money.

I was rooting for Huntsman, but sanity means an automatic disqualification from the GOP ticket.

I could've presented it in one word (and lots of money saved): DUH.

TO: hjack who wrote:

"The average IQ of those who voted for Obama was 11 points lower than the Romney voters..."

There's a real big reason why Romney lost -- too many lies, and insulting the majority of the American People.

RamFla- Exactlly!

I used to be a republican...used to. Now look to see who is the better person. So far the Democrats are winning hands down. How about this to help your platform...lets take care of the people and the land. Everything else will take care of itself...

Oh and it didn't help that Romney is a out of touch putz. AND yes I'll say it - a Mormon. Every time I see Mormon...I think of Southpark. (That should make Hjack happy)

@hjack

The average IQ of those who voted for Obama was 11 points lower than the Romney voters.

Says quite a bit.

And 90% of statistics are made up on the spot.

amanda, how can you possibly not agree with romney on all those issues. he has been on both sides of all of them.lol

The Republicans lost because a majority of Americans did not buy into their bull#&@!.

The Party of Divine Rape still can't accept Reality.

A real man blames himself for failure.

Bush43 bankrupted this country, that's not news, that's history!

That will never happen. Look how he blames everything on the hand outs, what he never recd any hand outs, never mind about the off shore accounts, pays less tax than the average middle class person. Romney and the RNC(RNC is dead, it is bought and paid for by the Teaparty) still do not get it, and at this point I don't think they ever will. They were for the rich, and Obama was for the middle class plain and simple. The middle class is what is going to get this country moving again, not the rich(the so called job creators, we all saw how well that worked). Give it up RNC and start actually working for the American people and not yourselves & the rich.

One of the great things about Bush was that he never chose to blame the Clinton administration for anything eventhough many things, including the sub-prime mortgage mess were carry-overs from Clinton.

Look no further! This is the reason Republicans lost! They seem to believe they can rewrite history and everyone is dumb enough to believe it! The sub-prime mortgage mess belongs to Bush and Republican majorities in both houses of Congress. This is a Republican recession. Keep denying it, keep losing!

The average IQ of those who voted for Obama was 11 points lower than the Romney voters.

There's the problem! They still weren't stupid enough to vote for Romney!

Beyond that, I suspect that statement is an absolute lie! Got a source? Got a credible source?

Maybe Mitt Romney lost because of his constant lying, personally I think the Clown lost for his VP pick from the tea loonies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It would be nice if the GOP Tea Wackos would stop trying to dig up the dead !!!

Mr Burns,

If you are going to blame Sandy, then you have to blame God.

Tomas Grande

"intents and purposes"

How about a little credit for Obama? He won in 2008 with lots of help (the absolute collapse of the market, everyone was exhausted with Bush, and McCain had a certified idiot on the VP spot). Four years later, Obama had a tough economy, no excitement over "the first black president" thing, and a good-looking CEO opponent. Yet Obama held on to all but two of the states he won in 2008. Obama's record is really good if you look at it honestly and in context.

Mr. Burns - that rightwing excuse "people wanted freebies" is an insult to every American who voted for Obama. So not only do you lose the election, you want to insult a majority of Americans? And simultaneously demonstrate a poor grasp of public opinion and sour grapes? I don't think that running on whines and blaming America will be a winning strategy in 2014.

The RNC should note that during the RNC's debates, and nomination process, they exposed the ROmney campaign AND the RNC themselves as a bunch of corrupt, fraud commiting, power grabbing group. In addtion to Romneys theft of the nomination, they showed that Romney has as much soul or compassion as a piece of sheet rock!

On another note, with things like the NDAA,TARP, banking, the military industrial complex....romney and obama were not to far off from one another.

Niether Romney or Obama are good for this coutry, but at least Obama's limit is 4 eyars...rather than 8 years of Romney!

Now looking at some swing states, it seems that Romney lost to Obama by nearly the amount of votes Ron Paul had in the primaries, and having said that, if he had won those states, he would have reached the electoral votes, hence he would have won. Now if theyr really wanted to beat Obama...they shouldnt have put some mor(m)on like ROmney up there, who lost to Obama, and even lost to Mccain (who lost to Obama) ....Ron Paul would have destroyed Obama, we would have a man in office doing what this country needs..or at least trying! Not what we have now, or what Bush III (romney) would have been! I guess the lesser of the two evils wins again? We gotta stop choosing the lesser of the two evils....and start voting for someone who is the better of the two goods...or the lesser of the two goods!....gotta look outside the box (party)

bigdogg464,

I can see that, just like yesterday, a simple grasp on logic escapes you. I said it was a reason that Obama won. Im not blaming @!$%#. Its not like Obama has a weather machine or anything. He was loosing ground in the polls until Sandy, then he got a decent bump back. Obama was lucky with Sandy. Even Chris Matthews was happy about Sandy because it gave Obama the election.

noncoms,

Im not right wing. Im quite center to be honest. I hated Romney, but at least he has a decent grasp on how to run the economy. Socially, he is a mess. I never said all liberals want their freebies. But lets see what Obama has given out. Free birthcontrol for women, even though everyone will be paying more for it, and he got the women vote. A loss of illegal status for Mexicans who came here illegally with their parents. Increased people on food stamps to almost 50 million. What happened here was the same thing that happened during the great depression that got Americans to keep voting in the failure FDR. He increased free stuff for people, so the poor that were just clinging on kept voting for him, even though the economy was suffering as a result. Its not to say that all liberals are this way, but people who depend on government hand outs are going to vote liberal no matter how bad the economy is as long as they get theirs. Its nowhere near Romney's 47%. But Romney lost by less than 400,000 in the swing states. Im sure there are more leeches than that in those states.

Oh, and you can add racism since Obama won 95% of the black vote. And liberals call republicans racist. lol

Brainwashedsince birth-

Tomas Grande

"intents and purposes

Thank you for correcting me. I hashed this out at lunch - usually I catch those things.

Salud

Amanda-

Actually, yes, they did.

Back in the mid to late 1800's, American railroad barons were importing Chinese workers by the boatload, the males to work on the railroad, the females as brothel fodder...

Thank you for the follow-up.

Nicely done.

Salud

90% of the reason I didn't vote for Romney was Ryan.

The reason Obama won is really quite simple. It comes down to two basic politic truths:

(1) You can not win with your base alone, you need moderates and independents.

(2) Moderates and independents do not like extremism, on either side.

The Republican party has become too extreme to attract this group. It's as simple as that. Whether that be the Republicans "boo'ing" a soldier on national TV because he is gay, claiming that rape is a gift from God, or calling a woman a slut for using birth control . . . this is all seen as extreme religious conservatism.

If Romney continued his moderate reputation, he probably could have won. But the Republican party has gone so far to the extreme, that they forced him to join them in order to win the nomination. And once he traveled that far to the right, he could not flip back to a more moderate position.

If the GOP wants to win next time, they need to come back towards the center. Although I doubt Rush, Beck and Hannity will allow that to happen. And unfortunately, the vast majority of Republicans do whatever these men tell them.

Dumbass women let the men lead them by the nose believing the "war on women" bullcrap thinking they will get their birth control paid for and if they are too stupid to use birth control, then abortion on demand- though with the decline of brain cells it's probably better they don't breed. Morons.

Obama only won by 3 million (hardly the "landslide" O leg-humpers brag about) and he has put over 11 million on food stamps. Duh. Idiots don't see the hamster wheel of printing money, inflation, and then government help who have to print more money to pay it. Oh, but they are so very proud of their stupidity.

I've always wanted to ask someone like you if you don't get that the Republican Party is doing a bait and switch on you.

See they are saying, "HEY look over here at these miserable lazy people. You know them. They are your neighbors and your cousins and your grandparents and your children. But they are lazy and shiftless, let them starve because the rich need more than what they have now. They need those 70 million dollar bonuses and they need 10 houses so they can throw a scrap to you once in a while. And you should be GRATEFUL to serve them. They are GODS and you are dirt beneath their feet..."

Do you really not get that? Do you not get they are saying hey! look over here! while they rob and poison you and your family for generations to come?

Is there something about you that makes you feel like you deserve this kind of treatment? That people like Mitt Romney who isn't as smart as half the people on this board but was fortunate enough to be born with a silver spoon in his mouth should have things handed to him that you and your family will never enjoy no matter how hard you work for the rest of your life?

Really? I mean Really?

Let's just be honest here, Geo W Bush was as dumb as a sock. If his daddy hadn't bought him job after job, he'd be living in a bottle in some gutter. Why should he get the privilege you want to deny yourself and your fellow citizens?

If you can answer that you might be on to something.

Amanda-2017567

I also don't want John McCain that close to presidential power (his co-operation with the enemy during Vietnam being part of that dislike

Some psychic talent here... the sacred knowledge of Democratic Underground Dot Com.

I find it interesting that Romney is called a liar when Obama and his ex-president support are both attorney's and we all know how well attorney's can be trusted. Oops sorry they are not attorney's any more they can not practice as they lost there License wow must have been to honest hey??

Well, it's nice that the RNC chief is finally starting to deal with reality. Must be hard to do, after their addiction to faux news and lies and the alternative world that the RNC has been living in. But it's going to be very hard to convince the Teapublicans to give up their fantasies and return to the harsh glare of reality.

Tough to win when all the minions believe all the lies and are too ignorant to actually pay attention.

Yes, it is. That's why it's imperative for Reince Priebus to convince his minions to stop with the lies, come back to reality, and pay attention - before they expel him for heresy...

Actually I wish Boehner would give in and tax "the rich" so all you teet sucking liberals can see socialism doesn't work. If you actually had a real education, instead of a government provided spoon fed watered down lesson of history, you would see socialism has led to the demise of a multitude of nations. Currently you are seeing in Greece, Spain and the majority of Europe.

Speaking of reality... Taxes are not "socialism", it's our way of paying for essential Government services. Now, if we had the Government running businesses to provide their funding, that would be socialism - and could allow for much lower taxes. But I'm betting Teapublicans would never stand for that!

The big economic problem in Greece is that there was too many tax loopholes, too many tax cheaters, and a lack of will to raise rates or close loopholes or enforce existing tax laws. That resulted in too little tax revenue to fund essential Government services. Ironically, the Teapublicans that yell the loudest about "socialism" and "taxes are too high" (with the lowest tax rates since 1950) are the ones pushing US to follow the "Greek way" into bankruptcy.

LMarcT

This is NOT an issue of demographics. This is NOT an issue of minorities taking over the world. This is simply a case where the RNC/GOP offered absolutely no concrete solution to ANYTHING and took shameless position after position on social and economic issues.

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if the rnc wants to win the presidency all they have to do is represent the middle class as well as the rich.you can fool just so many simpletons with your wealthy masters money.it appears it isnt enough to win

If the Republicans don't work with the President now, We will make more changes in less than 24 months. The Republicans better start by raising taxes on the wealthy and start helping the middle class right away or it's time to start the Dump The Republican Fund.

The race was over as you could see

We voted in Obama and not Romney

The middle and the poor are in much pain.

And so we checked off somone who cared about us and not someone from Bain.

To the Republicans let us make ourselves clear.

Tear up your pledge or else in 2014 we will make you disappear

The 47 + percent.

You people are so uppity, you would think Obama won by a landslide in the popular vote, instead of just sneaking by. Talk about living in unreality! This guy won by a landslide in 2008, but then barely won in 2012. He lost millions of votes, and many turned against him. He is merely LUCKY to be in the white house again. I chalk it up to the generosity of the American people, willing to give the first black president another crack at it. After all, didn't they do the same for Bush even after everything went wrong in Iraq?

Soooo--don't get too smug. There is not going to be single party tyranny in America any time soon--which I don't think you would really want, anyway, if you want to live in a truly free country.

BTW--Wrong about Greece. Greece was ruined by an outlandishly overextended government--way beyond providing "essential services"--unless you think 8 weeks of vacation and retirement at age 50 is essential to life. The Greek government had no private sector for decades--the companies, the schools, the healthcare, the stores, the banks--almost EVERYTHING--was run by the government. It began to collapse, and they started to privatize but it was too late. THEY HAD NO WEALTH GENERATION.

This will happen here if we follow the same route. How can it not? Not even the millionaires can sustain a socialist welfare state indefinitely.

TO: MrBurns who wrote:

"The reasons he lost ... People cant think for themselves and blindly believe Bush ruined the economy..."

We are not blind at all, we were there when it all came down, we know very well what Bush did, and BECAUSE Bush DID ruin the economy, that FACT alone helped President Obama get elected in the first place.

So don't pee on my shoe and tell me it's raining.

Republicans have been afflicted with "amnesia" for a long time now and obviously the American People ain't buying Republican crap.

Republicans have also been trying to re-write history to try to falsely pretend that George "Curveball" Bush was some kind of "good guy" that he was NOT.

Bush lied to the American People and he lied to the United States Congress.

As long as their pledge to Grover Norquist is more important that their oath of office, the republikans are doomed. I'm lovin' it!!

The GOP is the party of white right wing male voters. It wasn't enough to win this election and it won't be enough to win the next national election. We'll see how the Republican Party responds to the crushing loss they sustained in the 2012: will they edge closer to the center and embrace women, minorities, seniors, and moderates or will they stay the course and be the "stupid party" as Bobby Jindal described the GOP and continue to lose important elections? The choice is theirs.

Romney had the support of the majority of states and about half the nation's citizen's. That tells you he was doing something right! What he didn't have was the GOP support like he should have. The GOP convention was a perfect example. The chairman prior to the convention stated, the convention was about the GOP, not Romney, (who was the GOP party chosen presidential candidate). Bottom line, the GOP powers to be were miffed because Romney won the party candidacy instead of the candidate of their choice. In return, instead of standing behind the voice of the voters, they just gave enough support to the campaign that amounted to "Lip Service" support... Romney lost because he didn't have full party support behind him to fend off the Obama Ads and smut thrown out there, plain and simple.... If the GOP party had supported Romney the way they should have;the election outcome would have been much different and Obama wouldn't have been re-elected.....

What people should be disgusted with is the fact that this is just a competition to both parties.They have strategies just like a game of chess.It's too bad that there aren't any politicians who actually run for office that do so to serve the citizens of the United States of America.Politics in this country is just one egotistical game to these candidates.If anybody thinks that they care one whit about what we think they are only deceiving themselves.

Mitt's mind is twisted. That is why I did not vote for him. His ideas on how his god came to be is the biggest fairy tail that was ever made up. You cannot be all there to swallow it. If you are not all there/ how can you make decisions that affect the rest of us?

The RNC report should have been "Change the party platform to reflect REAL American values" and "Stop running A**holes" ! That about covers it.

The Republican loss has nothing to do with lack of party support....... 332 to 203 electoral votes says it all.

"As an older white guy, I am absolutely insulted and ashamed of the ignorance coming out of the mouths of the other older white guys"

I'm an old white guy also and I totally agree with that.

Along with being the most dishonest candidate in my lifetime, Romney lost because he was a lousy candidate, (even Republicans didn't like him all that much) with lousy ideas, who choose a lousy VP, had a lousy convection and ran a lousy campaign. And since the election he's turned into more of a scumbag that even I thought he was.

This RNC report of exit poll data, which NBC News has obtained and which RNC Chair Reince Priebus presented to GOP senators on Wednesday, states that "demographic change" in the United States "is real." It notes that the white share of the electorate has declined from 81% in 2000 to 72% in 2008. And it points out that "3 in 10 voters will be minorities in 2016."

In another 20 years, we may as well just send our campaigns to Mexico. Thanks Dems for handing our country over for votes. What patriots!!

Thomasgrande,

Clearly your reading comprehension is off. I praised Bush for not blaming things on Clinton. I my own self mentioned that the housing mess started with Clinton. If you cannot understand the difference, you must be a liberal.

The RNC also did exit polling on why people voted Republican, here is the percentage breakdown from that polling.

10% - If I don't vote Republican my boss will fire me.

07% - When I cast my vote for Obama the machine changed it to Romney.

14% - My Grand Daddy always voted Republican and me do two.

01% - I'm a rich "job creator" and don't want to pay taxes.

16% - I hate Gays, Blacks, Mexicans and anybody else that’s not a White Evangelical.

02% - Abe Lincoln was a Republican.

06% - If I don't vote Republican the KKK will shoot my dog and burn down my house.

07% - I think women should be barefoot and pregnant.

09% - I want America to be a theocracy.

08% - I don't need no stinking Obama care, if I get sick I'll just pray.

09% - I heard on Fox News that all Democrats are socialists born in Kenya.

03% - I hate America and want to see it fail.

08% - I do everything Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Ted Nugent tell me to do

I know it sounds ridiculous but that's the impression the Republican Party left me with during this election cycle. If they don't change it will be the end of the Greedy Old Party.

The RNC lost in general because they were assuming that the majority of Americans were as dumb and greedy as they are and all they had to do was let Fox handle the low quality propaganda and play to the greed and latent racism which they supposed the majority of Americans possess. I voted for BHO but I am as surprised as the neoconmen at the overall result. My apologies, America. One little step for an American, one giant ATTAPERSON! for America! We are not as roboticized as many (and me) had thought (and feared). Next, we need to lean on BHO to audit the Fed and Fort Knox and, if possible, order drone strikes on Goldman-Sucks and all the Fed buildings across America. A cabal of private European banks owns the American money supply, ergo owns America. We have 'privatized' freedom. That's what aristocracies do. An American aristocracy is unconstitutional and needs to be destroyed. As Soon As Possible. Bush was their lackey as is the whole of Congress and a growing segment of SCOTUS. Madame Guillotine, wherefore art thou?

The Republicans simply ran out of people who understand that government is not God or a candy store.

This is the point in the history when a democracy begins to fail. People have figured out that they can vote themselves money by voting for the candidate promising it.

Romney, but at least he has a decent grasp on how to run the economy.

And you base that on what? Certainly not on anything he said! Certainly on anything he put forward as a platform to run on. Because he didn't!

Damnit, are you that stupid? He said nothing except "20% across the board tax cuts", "$2B in increased Defense spending", "we will make up revenue decreases by closing tax loopholes" and "I will not increase the deficit". These are all mutually exclusive! Everyone who looked at the details said it wasn't possible. Everyone asked How? And Romney had no answers. His only comment "We'll have to work that out with Congress." But it can't be worked out, the numbers just don't add up.

So, answer me now... what do you base that on?

actually Myth, it wasn't the gifting that gotcha... it was all that grifting you did and, out and out lying!

heres what jumps out at me:

The repub leadership is alot more sane and clear eyed about what happened than the posters here spewing the garbage they hear in their Faux news-Limbaugh echo chamber. Unfortunately for fair thinking consevatives the far right nit-wits still have a strangle hold on the party.

I have to think that the repubs will start reaching out to different voting blocks. What will be interesting is how the right extremest react to it.

EEngineer

And if how he ran a campaign was any indication of how he would have run the country,...I'd say we dodged a pretty fatal bullet on this one!

lol,...cute that they still cling to that meme, though.

Romney had the support of the majority of states and about half the nation's citizen's.

Ignoring for the moment your atrocious use of an apostrophe to denote a plural, you are ignoring the fact that President Obama won the election by 3,522,216 popular votes and 116 electoral votes. Romney was crushed.

The the GOP will be lucky to get the WH in 2020

I kind of doubt they'll win it in 2020...Hillary will be running for re-election then...

Hillary Clinton claims to be retiring from politics-why people such as DG_W state otherwise and cannot seem to be able to look for other candidates is an issue to consider here, and at ,hopefully people qualified to fill the position will be sought and found, upon research of their work on behalf of law and citizens. Whats very scary is that The Clintons gain so much support from Democrats that hated the Bush years and bigotry, when IN FACT Bill Clinton set the country up for disaster and was working with the GOP the whole time. First off it was Bill Clinton whom passed DOMA prohibiting homosexuals from marrying. Look it up.

Bill Clinton in 1999 (look it up) removed anti trust laws (The Glass Steagall Act) which were protecting the country from another Great Depression (look it up).......and at the end of Bushes 2nd term America was devastated by a complete economic meltdown. Bill Clinton and Republicans in 1999 removed the Glass Steagall Act- that "Act" was devised post the first Great Depression in the 1930's-to prevent one from occurring again and it worked to our advantage for decades, until Clinton and the GOP removed the laws-then in 8 years time we had a second "Great Depression".

Bill Clinton didnt just pass DOMA disallowing homosexuals from marrying he also cheated on his wife, then LIED to the camera and country about his affairs.

Aside from the financial industry collapsing the music industry did as well. If you trace back to 1996-again during the Clinton administration you will find Bill Clinon again with Republicans removed anti-trust laws pertaining to American radio(The Telecommunications Act of 1996)-turning them into a monopoly. And again those anti trust laws were made in the 1930's protecting the U.S. from being monopolized and now radio stations are owned by major groups-the music business is monopolized. If you doubt this research Myspace which in 2005 was owned by one corporate investment group. Major labels consolidated to one group as well, basically Universal Music Group owns most mainstream music as of now. Have noticed anything is "missing" in arts and entertainment or are you enjoying Bill Clintons protege "Madonna" reinventions of others art?

During the Bush years we had a music industry fall out...and a monopoly now exists with American radio, concert venues and so forth, very few people make money now in the music business....There are millions of unsuspecting Americans that believe Clintons crap- he is so effective at lying, it looks as if he is convinced he is being sincere when speaking-but his actions are clear, just never evident to those he decieves. Be careful Democrats-someone is playing your tune and making you dance, but do you know who or why?

Dear Republican Party,

In the opinion of one single, straight, white female, age 37 - this is why you lost.

I want a President who actually lives in the Real World, who understands the difference between reality and fantasy land.

Abortion: Your boy Robme went from being pro-choice to anti-abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or when the woman's life is in danger. He also said states should determine their own abortion laws, which means if you're a pro-choice woman stuck living in a majorly red state - well you're just SOL. That's why there's a National law, to protect women like me from the bible bashers who fill your ranks. Mittens also said he wanted to see Roe v. Wade overturned, he wanted to defund Planned Parenthood (which provides many health services for women with little money), and he opposes emergency contraceptives. Your other candidates are just as bad, if not worse: anti-birth control, sponsoring federal "personhood" legislation.

Attitude towards sex in general: RMoney supports abstinence only sex ed. Ditto Ron Paul. Santorum believes that providing people with birth control encourages them to have sex. News flash Sweater Vest - the pill didn't appear until the 20th century, and boys and girls have been having pre-marital sex since before Jesus Christ gave his Sermon on the Mount. They aren't about to stop now. This is what I mean when I say - I want a President who lives in the Real World.

Evolution - if it wasn't so pathetic I'd laugh, but this is enough to make anybody cry. Can't remember Robme's position; Michelle Bachman, bless her empty little head, wants "intelligent design" taught in schools, so that all of america's children can be as ignorant as she is. Ron Paul wants to do away with the entire Department of Education and leave what's taught, including "alternatives to evolution" up to the states to decide. So, if you happen to be stuck living in a majorly red state, too bad for you, unless you want to home school your kids so they can get a REAL education that will serve them well for living in the 21st century.

Newt says the US was founded on christian principles and prayer. That whole "founded on christian principles" thing; when the first colonists got here – remember what happened? The colonies were run according to religious principles and it wasn't long before the bible bashers turned on each other. Women and girls were killed; accused of being witches. Which begs the question: "How’s that religion in government thingy working out for ya?" Answer: IT DIDN'T.

That's just ONE reason our founding fathers created the separation of Church and State that your party is bent on ending. Your party has become rabidly anti-science and you're in absolute denial about human sexuality, especially when it comes to adolescents. And you wonder why the US has the highest rate of teenage pregnancies of any industrialized country. Again, I want a president who lives in the Real World.

Gay Rights - You gotta love this one. Talk about hypocrisy - the same Robme who said the states should get to decide on abortion laws has NO problem with the government doing a federal constitution
banning same sex marriage / defining marriage being "between a man and a woman". That's the Republican party – you scream and cry about government interference in people's personal lives - but you have no problem with the government dictating what I can do with my uterus, or how two gay men can choose to commit themselves to each other and share a life together.

You're also in favor of that disgusting, discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act. And you republicans are REAL hypocrits there considering how many times some of you have been married. Newt's on #3, Limbaugh is on #3 or is it #4? Bachman is still on her first marriage, but she's against same sex marriage. I guess she relies on toys to keep her tragically closeted, sausage swallowing husband Marcus happy. Rick Santorum wants to repeal Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

And then there's Rush Limbaugh calling Sandra Fluke "a slut" because she wants health insurance to cover birth control. And republicans who say rape is God's will, that we have magical uteruses and vaginas that can tell the difference between legitimate sperm and rapey sperm. And you know what Republican Party -
when those guys made those comments - you didn't say squat. You were regular little church mice.

It wasn't until the Democrats, bloggers and the media pointed out how out of line these comments were - that you FINALLY made half hearted, belated statements trying to distance yourselves from them. Too Late! Man, you've got your misogyny and homophobia honed to an art form.

The racism and xenophobia? I could be here ALL DAY providing examples of that. But all of those state Voter ID laws you tried to enact - every single one of them targeting minorities, the elderly, students, anybody who tended to vote for the Democratic party - and all under the laughable, sick guise of "voter
fraud" when the party that was busted repeatedly for voter fraud in this election - was YOURS - you've got a lot of nerve.

Your foreign policy can be boiled down to one thing: "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran". The way your party was gearing up - you could see another needless, wasteful pre-emptive war on the horizon. Iran, Libya, take your pick; another war for your beloved military contractors to get filthy rich on, while
this country was driven even deeper into debt. And continuing in a foreign vein - your candidate Romney managed to make a complete fool out of himself, shooting his mouth off in Britain and elsewhere, showing the world he was arrogant, ignorant, and proud of it - a worthy successor to George W. Bush.

You had a presidential candidate who basically crapped on half of the US population with that snotty 47% comment of his. In fact, his personality truly IS the personality and mentality of your party. It's why you picked him; why all of those groups, your Koch Brothers, Adelson, etc. were throwing millions of dollars at Mitt Romney, a candidate who spouted gems including, "I'm not concerned about the very poor", "corporations are people, my friend!" and my personal favorite, "I like being able to fire people who provide services to me".

You can argue semantics and context all you want, but at the end of the day those comments reveal one thing about your candidate and your party - you're a bunch of hateful, narrow minded, self-centered, colossal douche bags. And as the american people amply demonstrated on Election Day - we have no desire to go backwards. We want to go forwards. Your mindset is stuck in the 19th century.

We have no use for your misogyny, your racism, your homophobia, your xenophobia. Stop trying to legislate morality. Stop trying to tell us what we can do with our vaginas; who we're allowed to love. As many people have said before: if you don't approve of abortion don't get one. Ditto using birth control. If you can't stand gay people, don't visit the Castro if you go to San Francisco. If you see something on television that offends you - change the channel. But don't try and censor every aspect of our lives.

We also have no use for your desire to keep this country in a perpetual state of war, using the children, the young men and women of this country, who represent our future - as cannon fodder so you can get rich. We have no use for your greed, your unashamed determination to take care of yourselves
first, at the expense of the working class and middle class families of this country, at the expense of the children in this country - caring nothing for their education, their health, their futures.

All of those reasons - and many more - are why you lost this election.

Sincerely,

Just one of many disgusted progressives living in a red state.

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And, by all means do blame "young people" for your loss, making stupid allegations. THAT's a REALLY good way to win the vote in future elections!

The headline should have read:

Republicans struggle to keep their bubble intact

To borrow from a previous commenter: "If you want to blame hurricane Sandy for the Republican loss then you need to blame God"

Hmmm............the party of religion (when convenient) is voted down by the big guy...................what does that tell you about lyin Ryan and flippin Mitten?

Let me personally shout out: THANK YOU GOD

Eliza Day

And republicans who say rape is God's will, that we have magical uteruses and vaginas that can tell the difference between legitimate sperm and rapey sperm.

Actually, it was said in press that "we have magical uteruses and vaginas that can tell the difference between legitimate sperm and rapey sperm" was a quote from congressional legal manual compiled and signed by office of Vice president of United States.

Can you deal with real life where people sometime quote legal manuals?

If you feel for gay people, Senate Democratic candidate Elizabeth Warren went out on the street and taunted a gay staffer of competing candidate with hate slurs and profanities.

Can you deal with real life and elect Republican candicate who stands for gay rights? As opposed to the right of a male to take a materinity leave, which I consider a thievery?

I doubt it, but I have hope that you might in the next round.

Do you know that it was Republican President George W. Bush who enacted 2 year long maternity leave for women who get pregnant? I worked personally on implementing this legal measure.

If you keep making opinion based on headlines you might end up plugging your refrigerator in TV set.

Eliza Day-- You can ignore Miron's weak and unintelligible post above. YOUR post was fantastic!! You said it all and you said it perfectly! I wish I had said that...

Mr. Burns,

Even when Romney was at his highest polling or Obama was at his lowest, Romney was never above 248 electoral votes.

A week before and a week after the Sandy hurricane Obama led Romney 48% to 47% in the popular vote.

I would suggest that you read Nate Silver next time, stay away from FOX, they suck. Nate Silver called all 50 states plus DC correctly. I believe they found where Nate Silver missed 1 county in the entire nation.

Miron said:

Some psychic talent here... the sacred knowledge of Democratic Underground Dot Com.

Actually, what first made me aware that his reputation as 'decorated war hero' was somewhat under question was exchanging messages with Vietnam era vets, among whom was a former intelligence analyst active during Vietnam, and he told me that John McCain was never tortured for information, he traded information for medical attention. Per McCain's own words:

They wanted military rather than political information at this time. Every time they asked me something, I'd just give my name, rank and serial number and date of birth.

I think it was on the fourth day that two guards came in, instead of one. One of them pulled back the blanket to show the other guard my injury. I looked at my knee. It was about the size, shape and color of a football. I remembered that when I was a flying instructor a fellow had ejected from his plane and broken his thigh. He had gone into shock, the blood had pooled in his leg, and he died, which came as quite a surprise to us—a man dying of a broken leg. Then I realized that a very similar thing was happening to me.

When I saw it, I said to the guard, "O.K., get the officer." An officer came in after a few minutes. It was the man that we came to know very well as "The Bug." He was a psychotic torturer, one of the worst fiends that we had to deal with. I said, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." He left and came back with a doctor, a guy that we called "Zorba," who was completely incompetent. He squatted down, took my pulse. He did not speak English, but shook his head and jabbered to "The Bug." I asked, "Are you going to take me to the hospital?" "The Bug" replied, "It's too late." I said, "If you take me to the hospital, I'll get well."

-US News and World Report, May 14, 1973

Th military code of conduct, according to the intelligence analyst I spoke to and my own research, is that no special favors are to be accepted in exchange for information. Yet the passage above, which he wrote himself for a newspaper, indicates that he did. Then in his book Faith of Our Fathers, McCain himself admits that he did so:

"Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant."

-Page 193-194, Faith of My Fathers by John McCain.

And then there's this from US Veterans' Dispatch:

Nov. 9, 1967 (U.S. government documents) Hanoi press began quoting him giving specific military information.

One report dated read, "To a question of the correspondent, McCain answered: 'My assignment to the Oriskany, I told myself, was due to serious losses in pilots, which were sustained by this aircraft carrier (due to its raids on the North Vietnam territory - VNA) and which necessitated replacements. From 10 to 12 pilots were transferred like me from the Forrestal to the Oriskany. Before I was shot down, we had made several sorties. Altogether, I made about 23 flights over North Vietnam.'"

In that report, McCain was quoted describing the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships, and the order of which his attack was supposed to take place.

That would be a violation of the Code of Conduct. Now, as I was not there I can't judge, but dislike of him is pretty clear among many of the Vietnam-era vets I've had the privilege of speaking to and the shadow of controversy is enough to raise doubt (for me.) While I would not go so far as to call his actions in Vietnam 'treason', as many of these veterans do, I respect their right to consider him a traitor in their eyes.

But on a completely separate note, the Constitution of the United States declares that 'no person' shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. It doesn't differentiate between legal or illegal, citizen or not, terrorist or innocent, it simply says 'No person'.

Section 1028-1031 of the NDAA for FY2012 states that the US military has the authority to detain any person suspected of terrorism without any charges being filed, indefinitely, until the War on Terror is over. If the suspected person is not a us citizen, detention is mandatory; if the suspected person is a US citizen, the detention is discretionary after an interrogation session. The original wording of the section as John McCain and Carl Levin wrote it stated that detention was mandatory for everyone, whether USC or not; President Obama said he would veto it until the wording was changed to 'discretionary'.

(However, note that it had already passed the House by a vote of 96-32, and passed the Senate 93-7. President Obama could have vetoed it and it still would have passed since it had the 2/3 majority vote in Congress required to override a Presidential veto. There was nothing President Obama could do to stop it.)

Indefinite detention without charge or trial is blatantly unconstitutional,and in my opinion anyone involved with writing and passing that travesty is a traitor to their oath as public elected officials to uphold the Constitution of the United States. And therein is where much of my dislike for Mr. McCain lies.

For people who really want to know what happened, read the articles below, now mind you, don't necessarily worry about the organization reporting it, pay attention to the words, as they say, coming from "the horses mouth," who haven't denied any of them.

Mitt Romney's Sneering Farewell To The '47 Percent'
November 15th, 2012 3:07 pm

http://www.nationalmemo.com/mitt-romneys-sneering-farewell-to-the-47-percent/

Trying to explain away his decisive, sweeping, and very expensive rout to his disappointed supporters—those one-percent Republicans—Mitt Romney offered a new version of the discredited "47 percent" argument that was so ruinous in its original form. In a Wednesday afternoon conference call, the defeated Republican nominee told donors and fundraisers that President Obama had won by lavishing generous "gifts" upon certain groups, including young voters, African-Americans, and Latinos.

"With regards to the young people, for instance, a forgiveness of college loan interest was a big gift," said Romney, after apologizing for losing what he called a "very close" election that he lost by more than 100 electoral votes and no less than three percent of the popular vote (as indicated in "The Ass-Whuppin' Cometh" by James Carville and Stan Greenberg).

"Free contraceptives were very big with young, college-aged women. And then, finally, Obamacare also made a difference for them, because as you know, anybody now 26 years of age and younger was now going to be part of their parents' plan, and that was a big gift to young people. They turned out in large numbers, a larger share in this election even than in 2008… Likewise with Hispanic voters, free health care was a big plus. But in addition with regards to Hispanic voters, the amnesty for children of illegals, the so-called Dream Act kids, was a huge plus for that voting group."

Now, before dispensing with Romney for good — as most Americans (including many Republicans) are understandably eager to do — it is worth noting that these churlish excuses to his donors represent the ultimate falsification, not only of his campaign, but of his own character.

'Kiss My Ass': Fear And Loathing In The Romney Campaign

http://www.nationalmemo.com/kiss-my-ass-fear-and-loathing-in-the-romney-campaign/

On the trip's final leg, the world saw the most unattractive side of the Romney campaign when the traveling press secretary loudly told reporters to "kiss my ass" and "shove it" in a display of the attitude that trickles down from the top.

For most of the campaign so far, Romney has pursued a media strategy that has become increasingly typical of Republican presidential candidates: Speak with Fox News and avoid the rest of the national press corps. That is because Fox journalists (an oxymoron?) are far less likely to ask questions that the candidate doesn't wish to answer

WATCH: Maine GOP Chairman Upset After 'Dozens' Of African-Americans Vote

http://www.nationalmemo.com/watch-maine-gop-chairman-upset-after-dozens-of-african-americans-vote/

According to Charlie Webster, the chairman of Maine's Republican Party, a group of unknown black people committed voter fraud in the Pine Tree State on Election Day.

"In some parts of rural Maine, there were dozens, dozens of black people who came in and voted on Election Day," Webster told a local NBC affiliate on Wednesday. How does Webster know that they weren't registered voters performing their civic duty?

"Everybody has a right to vote, but nobody in town knows anyone who's black," Webster explained.

"I regret saying the word black because it wasn't like I was singling out black," Webster told Ryan J. Reilly. "The reason I said it, 'cause I don't know where you live, but where I come from in rural Maine, it's a small percentage of the population. I think we're the whitest state in the country. So if you go to the polls and see people who are black, it's unusual."

"There's nothing about me that would be discriminatory. I know black people. I play basketball every Sunday with a black guy. He's a great friend of mine."

Man, this stuff is so pathetically hypocritical, you wouldn't believe it if you didn't read it, or hear it with your own ears. I like the last one, the old, "I play basketball with a black guy," like that's all black guys do. LOL!!! Yep, I'm a black guy, 64 years old, and in all my life, if I attempted to play basketball 6 times, that was extremely embarrassing, so I stopped. LOL!!

What was the last time a former President in the same party did not stump for his candidate?

Amanda-2017567

You seem to be not only from some "underground" but a zealot.

The only question I have is how in the world my country went along with white trash like this.

Bluelake

Eliza Day-- You can ignore Miron's weak and unintelligible post above. YOUR post was fantastic!! You said it all and you said it perfectly! I wish I had said that...

Hey, Eliza, is this talent scout ( sniff ) signs off on your invoices? For your team he seems unusually terse...

He is probably getting paid per hour. What about yourself, are they giving you a plate of soup per mile?

Amanda-2017567

And here is why you are a good example of white trash, for people to learn.

You say

the Constitution of the United States declares that 'no person' shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. It doesn't differentiate between legal or illegal, citizen or not, terrorist or innocent, it simply says 'No person'.

That sounds like a good start and yet in the same breath you deprive decorated officer who served United States of his most precious property, his good name. Seems to be two different people writing.

Personally I would prefer you grow more into a person who spoke of values stated in US constitution and somewhat wean off of someone trash talking decorated officers of United States. That would be a net gain for us all.

Romney lost because he's an empty suit that would say what ever he thought people wanted to hear. Anything to get elected. Fortunately only 49% were gullible enough to fall for it.

Miron said:

You seem to be not only from some "underground" but a zealot.

I have never been called a zealot before. hmm.

And here is why you are a good example of white trash, for people to learn.

You say

the Constitution of the United States declares that 'no person' shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. It doesn't differentiate between legal or illegal, citizen or not, terrorist or innocent, it simply says 'No person'.

That sounds like a good start and yet in the same breath you deprive decorated officer who served United States of his most precious property, his good name. Seems to be two different people writing.

Personally I would prefer you grow more into a person who spoke of values stated in US constitution and somewhat wean off of someone trash talking decorated officers of United States. That would be a net gain for us all.

First off, you're making a lot of assumptions that I'm white, and that I'm trash. I'm not white, thank you, and no human being is trash. Each person is a life, and life is precious.

Secondly, the opinion that McCain is a traitor in the eyes of many Vietnam-era POW's is documented fact; they were out in droves during the 2008 campaign. And as I stated in my post, since I was not there at the time I have no right to call Mr. McCain a traitor based on his Vietnam exploits. That I will leave to the veterans who actually were there and lived through it.

Thirdly, it is not a secret that John McCain was behind the writing of the controversial sections of the NDAA for FY2012.

Fourthly, I know what indefinite detention without charge or trial feels like. I was adopted internationally as an infant, never told before my parents died in a car accident, and when USCIS found they'd lost my adoption paper and came to me for a copy, I couldn't give them one because I'd never known.

They couldn't charge or try me for anything--no crimes had been committed. My not knowing I was adopted wasn't a crime, the government losing my adoption paper wasn't a crime, and I was not brought here illegally--they had the paperwork, copies of the checks my parents wrote for various fees, my baby passport, my original alien registration number. they had a copy of the adoption application, they had the certificate issued after an adoption that lists the adoptive parents as the child's true parents (and no judge will issue one of those without physically seeing the adoption decree in front of them when they sign the certificate.)

Homeland Security couldn't deport me because there is nothing saying where I was born or who I was born to--I was abandoned at an international orphanage for stateless infants (infants with no birth certificate/documentation.) I don't know exactly how old I am, or what my original name was.

So they simply told me I'd remain in the deportation camp until I gave them a copy of my adoption paper. I spent three years sitting in that deportation camp, innocent of any crime, writing letters to every courthouse in every state we'd ever lived in trying to find that paper. I did finally find it, and the day I took the Oath of Citizenship and they released me was the best day of my life.

I believe in the Constitution. I believe no one should sit in detention for an indefinite time without knowing why they are being held, without being able to prove their innocence, without the basic human rights to dignity, freedom, and the ability to defend oneself.

I believe that John McCain should believe these things too. But after hearing, in his own words, that he exchanged military information for hospital treatment, after hearing in his own words and government documents that he told the enemy everything about his troop strength, numbers, intended targets...I find my faith in him shaken.

And then upon finding out that he wrote the 'indefinite detention' clause into the NDAA, which clause also calls for interrogation before determining to detain indefinitely, my feelings were 'how he could advocate for interrogation when he himself should know what it feels like to be asked about things which you may (and may not) know?' I remember being grilled by ICE for hours as regards whether I knew I was adopted (no), whether I knew anyone who might have known I was adopted (we had no extended family; Dad was a Vietnam and Korean war vet who brought my mother back from Korea to marry, and it caused his Irish family to disown him because he married my Mom.)

By the time they performed a strip search and a body cavity search prior to putting me in a holding cell I was hysterical (I was barely 18, and a very sheltered private-school girl) and they ended up putting me in solitary confinement for a week because I was swinging between crying fits and screaming anger that I had never been told about something that would affect my life so deeply and permanently.

Everything I had believed true about myself was gone; my name wasn't my name, my birthday wasn't my birthday, I didn't even know for sure if I was actually eighteen, my Dad and Mom weren't my Dad and Mom, irregardless of the fact that they were devout Catholics and one of the Ten Commandments drilled into me was 'thou shalt not lie' and worst of all, my home wasn't my home anymore. I had no home, no country, no rights anywhere; I couldn't be deported but neither could I stay; I was stuck.

The deportation camp was a privately-run, Homeland-Security-contracted camp in Raymondville, Texas. Human rights people called it 'Ritmo' because the atmosphere reminded them of Guantanamo Bay; food deprivation, sleep deprivation, inadequate food, clothing, physical and sexual abuse were rampant.

So I know what it's like. And I don't want to see anyone else go through what I went through. No one deserves that. Absolutely no one. And I don't understand why McCain wrote this indefinite detention clause into the NDAA when he himself knows what it is like. And that is the reason why I consider him a traitor--traitor to the principles of freedom, justice, equality, liberty, human decency, compassion, fairness, and human rights that this country was founded on.

Do a Google search for the 'Hanoi Songbird' and see how McCain got that name. See what other Vietnam vets and military personnel think of him. Go read his own accounts of his time as a POW. Go research the NDAA and see who authored it. If you agree that the terms of the NDAA are unconstitutional, then you'll see that Senator McCain has violated his oath as an elected public official to uphold the Constitution and for that, at least, he is a traitor.

Romney LOST??? No way, impossible, its a lie...did he?

Just asking what did he lose?

The really hilarious part of all of this is that the Democrats are gloating about their "win". Anyone else walking into the disaster that is the Obama administration would be running for the hills.

Let's not forget Paul Ryan. The biggest narcissist in politics. Watch this man, because the RNC is going to be pumping him to run in 4 years. He and his wife were at a labor day parade in Wisconisin. A young man was attempting to ask a legitimate question on working and wages and Paul kept telling him to "check our website". When the young man asked, "what am I supposed to do, work for $1 an hour like they do in China?", Paul and his wife both laughed at the man, and then Paul asked "do you want a piece of candy?", and they continued to laugh at the man.

So when they (finally) conceded election night and he and his wife (whom was crying) were on stage, I felt like it was a fair turn-a-bout for just that one episode in the campaign. Not to mention the bazillion others! Hey Paul and wife...want a piece of candy?

Hubris. It's the RNC downfall and always will be. If you don't know what it means....google it! It runs rampant in the Republican party.

TO: dangerfield who wrote:

"I am gonna go with he lost because he failed to get more votes than the other guy and move on..."

That's exactly what Romney should have done to rise above the frey, but he couldn't allow himself to believe that it was actually HIM who failed, that it was none other than Mitt Romney who lost.

Now if Romney had won, he would have taken all the credit, but since he lost he refuses to take personal responsibility for his own defeat.

Romney would have done better to just say "Hey, we came up a few votes short" and be done with it, instead of embarassing himself by acting like a sore loser who couldn't stand to walk away without blaming somebody else for his own failures.

Typical Republican, don't blame yourself, blame a Democrat.

Success has thousand fathers; and failure is Bush's orphan. Blame Bush...

It's not your vote that counts, it's who counts the votes that matters.

Narcissists never take personal responsibility. That is just one of their many faults. The Flip Flopper will never truly see that it was HE that failed to win the election.

Republicans = We lost, so let's do more of the same even more and harder......................

Dear Miss Piggie,

I agree about "a thousand failures" . . .

a HUGE ONE was that Dem's genuinely "love us women!" (as opposed to Queen Annie, LOL!)

The ReThugLicans scared a lot of us, who hadn't been paying attention, up until the Todd "Legitimate Rape" Akin thing came up . . . I mean really, birth control? right to choose? we thought that was settled 40 years ago!!!

Really? REALLY?

The Gender Gap:

"The Obama campaign's heavy focus on women's issues for the past year paid off in a big way on [election day,] resulting in an 18-point gender gap that largely contributed to the president's reelection.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/gender-gap-2012-election-obama_n_2086004.html

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And Myth Robme (why hasn't he gone back to play with his car elevator yet?) said that garbage yesterday about "free birth control"?

. . . NO, IT'S NOT FREE . . . we pay insurance premiums - we just don't think we should have to pay for our medicine in addition to the premiums . . . Make the men pay for their Viagra - that shouldn't be covered by insurance - it's not needed for health!

.

And finally . . . damn. I voted for President Obama - twice . . . where's my gift? I didn't get it yet! LOL

FORWARD! :-)

That's a defeatist attitude, dangerfield.

If you ever failed a test in school, did you say, "Oh well, I failed the test. No need to figure out why, I'll just leave that information up to the historians."

Seems to me the better strategy is to look back and see what you did wrong and try to figure it out before the next test.

BigJeff, well said.

TO: GuyLittle who wrote:

"It's not your vote that counts, it's who counts the votes that matters."

That's how Bush got in.

Romey is exactly right. Obama bought his votes from non-tax payers that are sucling the blood out of the tax payers. When will you moochers learn that the current evolution towards a depenency society will destroy you individually and this nation as a whole.

BigJeff - id normally agree with that, but it only works if you're willing to accept the questions you got wrong and provide the correct answers the next time.

I dont republicans are going to admit Bush is even PARTLY responsible for the economic implosion of 2008, because to do that would require knowing WHY Bush is partly to blame?

Touring the country, touting his economic recovery plan - THE HOUSING BUBBLE.

Admitting that people who took out more mortage than they could afford, isnt the reason the economy imploded - it was that banks bundled those crap mortagages and resold them as "valuable" things that simply werent, and then didnt have any money on hand to cover those bets if they went south is EXACTLY the reason the economy imploded.

And ultimately, the ONLY REASON that housing boom was possible - the banks were flushed with investor cash.

Why were banks flushed with investor cash?

because tax rates were lowered SIGNIFICANTLY on capital gains...causing rich folks to gamble on wall street as a means of "growing their wealth" rather than growing businesses.

no banks were forced at gunpoint by the govt to make bad loans, though they were advised that they had to start making loans to people who qualified (like minorities living in low income area's). Again, Bush also toured the country touting his efforts to get more minorities into the "American Dream" by owning a home.

If thats where it all started and ended, our economy would have been fine...it was the bundles, the derivitives.

Again, none of those would have been possible without republicans easing, and altogether eliminating, some significant barriers to that even being legal - like Glass Stegall.

Long Story short - what republicans are going to do is figure out how to woo their base, without alienating everyone else - just to WIN. Not to move the nation forward, simply just to WIN.

I'm not entirely sure they'll be able to figure that out...but im sure as heck certain they'll either go harder to the right hoping to gain more white voters, or they'll move back to the middle and lose some hard right wingers and evangelicals.

either way you slice it, it's abundantly clear - demographics have changed, and not in republians favor.

I just wish Republicans would spend as much time and effort studying macroeconomics and gathering real world facts as they do trying to figure out how to improve their BIG LIE strategy to win an election.

Their economic plan of trickle down economics has been a BIG LIE since its inception. They claim that a government can reduce the tax rate on the rich and the increased tax revenue from the resulting growth would more than make up for the lost revenue of the tax cut. Never once did Republicans ever statistically prove the case for trickle down in 32 years and they still insist it works.

"Fact free" Republican Party needs to become "Fact based" if it hopes to win future elections.

They lost because their candidate AND his running mate were unabashed liars who would say anything in order to appease/entice the crazies on the far right fringe. Nobody with the character it takes to lead America would have ever EVER said anything remotely resembling Romney's appalling "47% speech" or Ryans patronizing "method of conception." If Romney's refusal to release tax records wasn't enough to cue voters, they had to know it was over when Ryan started dragging his mommy around Florida in an attempt to calm frightened seniors who knew what he was all about.

The 2012 election has already been decided... What's at stake now is weather or not Obama will seek a third term. There's a reason he'll garner the power to win, yet again. And keep power through 2020-or even beyond. These things will change the political climate here and abroad, and may enable him to implement terrifying socialist policies.

Whacka, whacka, whacka, Guy. Presidents have a two-term limit in this country. Period.

Romey is exactly right. Obama bought his votes from non-tax payers that are sucling the blood out of the tax payers.

Now that is funny! Given that this whole sub-prime mortgage mess was born out of a pipe-dream of George W. Bush and Karl Rove designed to turn illegal aliens into loyal Republican voters, just who is trying to buy votes? Given that George W. Bush doubled our national debt in 8 years, just who is sucking the blood out of taxpayers?

And this is truly the reason Republicans lost: a severe disconnect from reality!

Talk about a disconnect from reality. Clinton signed the laws that caused the sub-prime mess, not Bush. Clinton also knew how dangerous Osama bin Laden was, but was too busy getting some noggin to do anything about it. Let's be clear, I am not a fan of Bush, although I liked the first, but quit spreading lies.

KJNC,

You stupidly answered you're own question. You get free birthcontrol that we have to pay for. You do realize that the insurance companies just past the cost to the customers right? God, libs are so dense it hurts.

And American Girl, you want to talk about republicans blaming stuff? All Obama has done is blame everyone else for his failure. And the sheep just keep listening to him since he keeps giving them free @!$%#.

or they'll move back to the middle and lose some hard right wingers and evangelicals.

and those people will vote for whom?

see that's the fallacy here. the country is becoming more liberal not more conservative. I'd suggest that those people are a dying breed and will soon either have to move into the 21st century with the rest of us or not be represented. I guess the right-wing volume masters can continue to whip them up and pretend they are a vast majority but polls and elections are just not bearing that fact out.

There just aren't enough people left who believe the universe was created in 5700 years and blacks are inferior by birth and women aren't smart enough to make their own decisions and life begins as soon as you get that twinkle in your eye and climate change is gods will.

They won't have a party.

As I've said before there is much room to the left of Obama who if you can turn down the wingnut noise machine is one of the most conservative Democratic Presidents in our history. I can see a liberal party rising before I see a new party on the right. I think in 20 years the Democrats will be the conservatives in the race.

These days you'd really have to be an idiot to be a republican.

Earl, the repubs were winning elections all the way up to 2010, when they threw the bums out, so to speak. Nothing idiotic about that. And your guy lost a huge block of his previous support this time around--he is truly lucky to have squeaked by. Just as Bush was when people voted him a second term, in spite of the problems in Iraq

mj--I dont' know how old you are, but I would like to look back a little at recent history and challenge some of your statements---graciously ignoring the nasty, bigoted remarks.

During the 60s and 70s, the liberals were the ruling powerhouse party. Republicans could not win against the Big Brother welfare state by simply arguing on the intellectual merits of fiscal responsibility. At the same time, the social revolution was in full gear. "If it feels good, do it,"and "GIMME, GIMME" was the rule of the day. It wasn't until the late 70s, early 80s, when the druggies began to crash and burn, families began to self-destruct and children of divorce and dysfunction grew up, that people began to "see the light".

The Moral Majority became a movement because these social issues grabbed a hold of their hearts and impassioned them, through the republican party, to victory. The republicans knew they were winning because of the christian right, and you leftists knew it too--which is why you are so vitriolic in your hatred of them, and want the Repubs to move to the center where they are sure to lose.

stolen from another site ... In cases of legitimate hate, women's ballots have a way to shut that whole thing down.

ROMNEY LOST ! ACCEPT IT ! OBAMA WON ! ACCEPT IT ....

... even the mormon followers didnt vote for Romney ... mormon vote - bush 80%, romney 78%... even they knew he was liar ...

Clinton signed the laws that caused the sub-prime mess

No, he did not!

By the numbers...

From a radio speech given by Bush in June, 2002:

Yet today, while nearly three-quarters of all white Americans own their homes, less than half of all African Americans and Hispanic Americans are homeowners. We must begin to close this homeownership gap by dismantling the barriers that prevent minorities from owning a piece of the American dream. The single greatest hurdle to first time homeownership is a high down payment requirement that can put a home out of reach.

All legislation is documented on government websites. Look this one up; it is quite interesting:

American Dream Downpayment Initiative (ADDI) - signed into law on Dec 16, 2003.

Sponsor: Sen. Wayne Allard [R-CO]

Co-sponsors: Samuel Brownback [R-KS]; Conrad Burns [R-MT]; Ben Campbell [R-CO]; Michael Crapo [R-ID]; Michael Enzi [R-WY]; Charles Hagel [R-NE]; Lisa Murkowski [R-AK]; Richard Santorum [R-PA]; Jefferson Sessions [R-AL]

Note that there was not one Democrat co-sponsoring this bill. The bill was sponsored by a Republican, co-sponsored only by other Republicans, passed by a Republican majority in the House and Senate and signed into law by a Republican president. The most damaging part of this bill was that it decreased downpayment for any GSE (Fannie Mae, Freddi Mac or FHA) sponsored loan to 3%!!

Now, from the bipartisan Congressional report by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform on the subprime mortgage crisis released in 2009 (summary here: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32615):

Lower down-payments led to housing prices that outpaced income growth: Once government-sponsored efforts to decrease down payments spread to the wider market, home prices became increasingly untethered from any kind of demand limited by borrowers' ability to pay. Instead, borrowers could just make smaller down payments and take on higher debt, allowing home prices to continue their unrestrained rise. (p. 11)

The Government Sponsored Enterprises led the way into the housing crisis: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were leaders in risky mortgage lending. According to an analysis presented to the Committee, between 2002 and 2007, Fannie and Freddie purchased $1.9 trillion of mortgages made to borrowers with credit scores below 660, one of the definitions of "subprime" used by federal banking regulators. This represents over 54% of all such mortgages purchased during those years. (p.24)

No, make no mistake, this was a Republican recession!

All over the airwaves today, I heard Republicans saying "we have to begin to appeal to a wider range of Americans", I can't help but wonder, just how are they going to go about doing that? The whole belief system of the Republican Party, has forever been "Conservatism", and what they have been the most concerned about "conserving", is the PAST, they have never believed that people "of color", would ever have a significant voice in this Nation's election process. They have been determined, for DECADES to focus almost exclusivley on the WHITE VOTE, and they have also, it seems, not taken much notice of just how much the population has grown, and diversified, since the 1950's, which is the period in time, that they seem to want to "conserve", or revert to the most! At least that is the impression that they give, when they talk about "taking OUR country back", because this is always the rhetoric that follows that particular statement, "end Roe v Wade", "outlaw same-sex marriage", "get rid of the Dept.of Education", "get rid of the E.P.A.","de-regulate Wall Street","get rid of the Capital Gains Tax","get rid of Planned Parenthood","end the separation of church and state","deny affordable contraception to women",and on and on and on. I thought that this was the "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA", not the "CONSERVATIVE STATES OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY"! Since when did it become "THEIR COUNTRY", I thought it was...ONE Nation, INDIVISIBLE, with LIBERTY, and JUSTICE, for ALL, NOT "Liberty and Justice for SOME"!!! They have a really LONG road to travel, if they want to "appeal" to a wider demographic of this Country, and truly "join the 21st Century".

• The problem with current Republican Party ----they're old, they're all white, they have a scowl on their faces most of the time, they shoots off their yaps before they have the facts, when they don't like the facts, they make up facts, and they're angry with everybody who is not exactly like them.

EEngineer

Not that you are still paying attention to the thread, but Clinton signing the repeal of Glass-Steagal set the whole thing in motion and the banks took it from there. Bundling good mortgages with bad and selling them as investments. Then the FED made money so easy to get that you could qualify for a mortgage on a street corner. People seem to want to vilify the housing industry, but it was not. The true culprits were a whole mess of regulations and policies that caused this. And the lowly homeowner who thought that it was a good investment paid the price. Bush did not do this by himself. Neither did Clinton. Who actually did this was Congress, but I guess it is easier to blame one person.

Not that you are still paying attention to the thread,

You never know, do you?

Let's look at a little more detail...

American Dream Downpayment Fund - this fund was established by the American Dream Downpayment Act, passed by the House and Senate and signed into law by George W. Bush in 2003. What was in this act? Here is a copy of the fact sheet that was passed out before the speech announcing the push for this legislation one year before it was passed: (http://caps.fool.com/blogs/american-dream-downpayment-act/84971)

Most interesting in this fact sheet is the list of things that the administration had already accomplished before the bill was passed:

The Administration also implemented a hybrid Adjustable Rate Mortgage (ARM) product that makes it easier for new homebuyers to stay in their homes in the first few years.

Substantially increasing, by at least $440 billion, the financial commitment made by the government-sponsored enterprises involved in the secondary mortgage market specifically targeted toward the minority market.

What Bush is taking credit for here are "hybrid" ARM's. ARMs had existed for quite a while. Hybrid ARM's are a different kettle of fish. A hybrid ARM is one with a longer term introductory period - three, five, seven, even ten years during which the rate remains at its original level and then adjusts every year thereafter. Borrowers, particularly those who will be stretching to make payments often choose a hybrid ARM because the lower payments for the first five or even 10 years allow them to qualify for a mortgage. I know you've heard the term "balloon payment" and how that relates to the mortgage meltdown? Just imagine how radical the increase in payment is after 5 or 10 years of not following rising interest increases. And this was a George W. Bush sponsored innovation to get more minorities into homes. Homes that they could never have afforded with conventional loans and homes that they couldn't afford when rates finally adjusted. Thus, the foreclosure boom.

Now, that bundling of mortgages that you mentioned all happens in the "secondary mortgage market", you know, the very market that George W. Bush had GSE's (Fannie Mae, Freddi Mac and FHA) pump $440B into! That much money created its very own bubble. Banks couldn't bundle and sell mortgages fast enough to GSE's to eat up all the available money. Of course, you realize that when they had sold these bundled mortgages, they had more cash to go out and offer even more mortgages. No other single action fueled the housing bubble more!

Now, of course, Bush couldn't do this directly. He had help. The Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) is the major overseer for Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac as well as the FHA. From a report by the Cato Institute (http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/hud/scandals):

Alphonso Jackson was named a deputy secretary at HUD a few months into President George W. Bush's first term. He became the acting secretary in late 2003, and permanent secretary in April 2004.

It was under Secretary Jackson that HUD decided in 2004 to increase Fannie and Freddie's "affordable" housing goals while allowing the financial giants to continue the Clinton-era policy of counting subprime mortgages as credit toward meeting that goal. Despite Fannie's 81-percent increase in lending to minority families in 2003, Jackson chastised the organization for its "failure to lead." Jackson's pressure on the GSEs came despite the fact that regulators were growing increasingly concerned with subprime lending. The Washington Post found that "housing experts and some congressional leaders now view those decisions as mistakes that contributed to an escalation of subprime lending that is roiling the U.S. economy."

Another indication that risky lending got out of control under Jackson is that default rates on loans insured by HUD's Federal Housing Administration hit record highs and continued to worsen as of early 2009. At the height of the housing bubble, Jackson advocated reducing the down-payment requirements on FHA-insured loans to zero. With private subprime lenders having reduced FHA's share of the housing market to 3.3 percent in 2004, Jackson stated that he was "absolutely emphatic about winning back our share of the market." The bubble burst, and FHA is now picking up the subprime slack—and currently insures one in three new mortgages—a precarious situation for taxpayers going forward.

And just what were Alphonso Jackson's credentials? From a profile of Alphonso Jackson by ABC News in 2005 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Inauguration/story?id=406759 - .Tsk2O7Knnd0):

Alphonso Jackson, a longtime friend of President Bush, has been asked to stay on in his job as secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development. Bush has been friends with Jackson since his days in Texas.

Nope! I will repeat it again. George W. Bush in particular and Republicans in general are responsible for the mortgage meltdown and the aptly named "Bush Recession"!

I agree, and you did your homework, the American people are beginning to figure out just what those Republican Bush years has done to our country...it's taking them longer than I thought it would

Don't forget. The republicans tried to stop "those people" from voting.

If they had their way, we would be in Jim Crow right now and they would be in the White House. Don't think they don't know it.

The RNC should know better---just them saying "demographic changes are real" won't make Republicans believe it. After all, they don't believe in climate change, they think undocumented workers will self-deport and they think that trickle down economics works.

Its not the messenger (as bad as he was) or the recipients, its the message that was bad.

Until the GOP decides to launch the Tea Party, the Carl Roves, Grover Norquists, Kochs and stop being the party of hate, they will never win a national election.

"Those demographic changes are real" - translation: We were unsuccessful in our attempt to prevent "those people" from voting.

@Steeler Fan and dirp: couldn't agree more. I grew up in a highly conservative family, and for most of my life I mostly voted Republican with a few Democrats thrown in. This election I voted almost entirely Democrat. I've grown scared by the Republican brand of reality denial.

Much of the greatness of this country comes from separation of church and state as well as a healthy respect (though not always put into practice) for the concept that all people are equal. When you try to tear down those ideas, deny knowable scientific realities (like climate change), demonstrate your ignorance of basic biology (rape comments by Akin - and on the House science committee... really?), and generally refuse to change with the times, then you're destined to fail. The sad part is that there was a time when the GOP was the party that made the most sense. If they would get back to their old message about limited government, respect for individual liberty, and strong defense, I might vote for them again. As long as they continue to go on their social/religious crusades, I'm not voting for them.

dirp - I think I partially agree with you on something....amazing (only a little though). The GOP shoud get rid of the Karl Roves, the Dick Morris' and the other pandering people who think the way to win an election is to read a poll and react to it rather than trying to shape the polls.

For self-disclosure, I am a registered Republican, I'm a veteran, and I happen to be white. I'm also female. I do believe in climate change, I believe in immigration reform but not at the cost of being humane. I also believe that trickle-down economics was one to the most ridiculous economic strategies that has ever come down the pike -- you can attribute that to R. Reagan not G.W. Bush.

I'm just saying that not all Republicans are right wing, nut job, racists, Christian fundamentalists. I'll vote for my party candidate again when they give me someone worth voting for. It hasn't happened in the last 25+ years, but... hey, you never know.

TJW and Shipmate... Both excellent examples of the value of Republicans (intelligent ones). You need to go back and rescue your party from the insane groups that have kidnapped it!

It may sound incredible, but many of us Democrats wish that your party could come back to keep some of our own insane at check

Shipmate, what specific issues do you have with supply-side economic theory?

Shipmate--what exactly makes you a republican, then? Your name on a register?

RamFla--Yes, I'm sure you'd like all the little sheeples to stop thinking and repeat after you, so we can all be Dems and "live happily ever after"--just like they do in all the one-party countries around the world. Ha.

"Or were they counting on those "others" not to vote?"

They were trying their best to prevent those voters I think but fell a few votes short! Really, voter ID required to solve a problem that does not exist??? Sounds Republican to me!

So the Dems are "sheeples", eh? I can't read a post by a true Republican without being insulted. So when the majority of the nation utterly rejects the party of hate, greed and spite, we're just blind followers. And the true right wing believers are the ones who think for themselves. I'm sure you repeat that mantra in every group of intelligent people where your values, thoughts, ideas and opinions stand out like a sore thumb. You - only you - are right. Somehow, everybody else is wrong. Guess what I just described - a narcissist. There's no point in arguing with you. You already know all the "facts." So I and the rest of my liberal crowd will do the only sensible thing - ignore you. Because you are nothing. You are totally irrelevant to any intelligent debate.

Republican mom watching parade: "Look! Everyone is out of step except my Johnny!"

They only count gifts if they are in the form of a phone or a pill. Those other things you list aren't gifts, they are supposedly merited.

I agree. O'Reilly said that half the country wants "stuff" so they voted for Obama. You can't tell me that the gazillion dollars poured into Romney's campaign from special interests were doing it for the good of the country. They wanted BIG stuff, like POWER and INFLUENCE to make sure legislation favors them, and to protect their big fat tax breaks and loopholes.

There really is a double standard. When a poor person gets something from the government it's "welfare" and they're "lazy". When a big corp gets money from the government, it's a "subsidy to keep them competitive in the global marketplace". When a rich individual gets money from the government it's "supporting job creators." When a poor person loses their home in a default they're "irresponsible." When a rich person defaults on a mortgage on their investment property they're a "savvy investor who knows when to walk away from a bad deal."

Well-stated, Pragmatic!

:-)

TO: Al in Visalia CA who wrote:

"You mean Willard didn't promise his supporters gifts? He didn't promise those in the 1% further tax cuts, outsourcing government services to his corporate buddies by privatization, increasing government welfare payments to the military industrial complex and holding the line on keeping government welfare payments to farmers and the oil industry?"

Oh Al that was sooo perfect!

Bravo!

Romney lost because he is an artificial plastic man. The RNC head also refuses to accept the fact that they alienated most future party members by @!$%#ting on Ron Paul supporters during the campaign and at the convention. The philosophy will not go away, regardless of whether the man does. The party is so far from its origin that no one can recognize it which was Socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Almost sounds Libertarian.

Huh

Pragmatic.......you're dead center!

I almost forgot about the savvy investor part.......I'm really glad you jogged my memory about it.

"RNC report suggests other reasons why Romney lost"

Its common sense why..over 50% of the nation knew he was a jerk and the GOP knew this too, but its either Romney or Palin!

Since I can't give you more than one checkmark I must give you my congratulations on pointing out the obvious that others just plain missed................BRAVO!

Thanks also to the "Right On Target" comment from Pragmatic.

Finally, maybe the Republicans lost because the name of the RNC director reminded too many people of a social disease or an unwanted medical problem, you think?

And then there was the little matter of running against one of the most gifted, like-able and admirable politicians in the country who happened to be an incumbent.

Sometimes I wonder if President Obama reads these post morteums on why Romney didn't win and thinks "what about the fact he ran against ME?"

Celtic

Where was the distortion at Bain? He did let a man's wife die. He was a bully.

And those similar tactics weren't used by Romney, only when he did it...they were lies (like not being born in the USA)

Celtic 1, I present exibition #1 from Ferrosynthesis: "He did let a man's wife die."

TOTAL denial of reality. Thus is LiberalLand. Do not try to reason with them.

Two Scottish guys were walking along a path, and one said to the other, "you see that fence over there? I built it with me own two hands, but do they call me Scotty the fence builder? Noooooo. You see that church over there? I built it with me own two hands, but do they call me Scotty the church builder? Noooooo. But you screw one goat!"

Point being, how many times can you act like a bigot before you are, in fact, a bigot?

Celtic, you have alot of nerve the republican party has been so disrespectful to the President since day one and now you want to call the Democrats hypocrits look at your party, they are the worst of it kind. And Hate is the right word to use because they are hateful.

Celtic 1 - I am so tired of radical righties like you who don't have a clue about Mitt Romney; who let him get away with not disclosing his tax returns, although you would have screamed at the top of your lungs had Obama done the same; who won't admit his ownership and leadership in Bain - closing a plant in Illinois and sending the jobs to China even while he was running on creating jobs in the US; his dislike of women and his total lack of understanding that WE DO COUNT! Grow up!

You ran a completely defective candidate who couldn't take a stance on anything and keep that stance for more than a day! You have the party that hates anyone who isn't male, pale and stale!

Get a grip - you have no one to blame but the GOP for becoming such idiots that they can't see the real world!

Your define a difference of opinion as disrespectful? - you see things through the prism of simplicity, Democrats are masters of tearing a candidate down. Obama could not run on his record, which he did not. The only plan was to destroy Mitt anyway possible- hateful? my God did you see ANY of the Demo commercials or adds?

Celtic - keep up the stupidity with your party. That will guarantee yet another loss in 2016!

Did you not see any of the filthy Republican commercials? Did you not hear the idiots again asking for a birth certificate; college transcirpt from our President? Did you not hear him being called marxist; socialist; communist; etc? What rock have you lived under for the past 4 years?

Authur66

God will help the country, Tell your Republican in DC to stiop acting like babies and do the job they were voted in office to do and stop trying to keep the poor people poor.

@ SS: 2014 comes sooner and there are going to be alot of unhappy Republicans when we finish the ass whooping we started in 2012!

You accuse a good man of essentially letting a mans wife die, you call him a felon on the senate floor, you distort his record with Bain, even when proved wrong,accuse of of crulety to dogs, bring up ONE incident from HS 48 years ago, in fact the Demos strategy was "kill Romney" You guys are the most hypocritical folks on the planet.

Welcome to politics. You must be new here. I suppose it's okay that people distort the president when they say he wasn't born in the USA, is a muslim, favored government death panels, wants to ship jobs overseas, wants to raise taxes on the middle class, will force Sharia law domestically, is coming for your guns, etc etc etc ETC.

Democrats are masters of tearing a candidate down

That's why Bush painted John Kerry as not very patriotic. Because Kerry got a bronze star and some purple hearts fighting in a war while Bush defended the airspace over Texas. Seriously. It's politics. Get over it. No politician has ever won by being a nice guy. They win by painting the other party in a bad light.

It is all about perception. The Republicans in this election cycle came off as a group of jerks. Whether this is the reality or not, it is how they were perceived by the majority. And much of it was self inflicted. Romney taking a hard line on immigrants to score points against Perry. Romney writing off 47% of the vote. (Holy cow, you mean EVERYBODY has a camera in their pocket?!) Akin and his comments about rape appealing to his base, something that probably tainted the brand as a whole.

You gotta face up to the faults of your party. I was listening to the GOP governors talking this morning, and they're sitting there blaming the younger generation for being so liberal because "when you're 29 years old and living in your mom's basement, socialism looks pretty cool." Screw them! I'm a year older, living on my own, with a mortgage, with a family to support, paying for my own insurance (health, dental, vision, homeowners, car, and life) and not taking a dime of government support. They still don't get it! I'm here, fiscally conservative, responsible for my own dang self, and I VOTE. But I'm not gonna vote for a bunch of twits running their mouthes off assuming I'm a lazy mooch!

The lesson to learn that they still ain't learning: Don't bash anybody who can vote. A business wouldn't write off customers they assume buy from their competitors. They'd try to win em over!

Just wanted to mention, where I live there are businesses with Romney-Ryan signs hanging on their doors saying "Mr. President, I built this." When I am aware of that attitude, I shall keep my $$$ in my pocket. So they can add to their signs the words "and I support it myself, too."

Well, that's just it. The right vilified, insulted and marginalized 75% of the electorate, and yet they STILL expected to get them to vote their way.

It's a mystery how these people can manage to find their asses with both hands.

Celtic 1......you said:

Quote......Obama could not run on his record, which he did not.......EndQuote

EVERYONE KNEW President Obama's record. He referred to his successes time after time. If you don't know that, you don't want to and/or were not paying attention.

You also said:

Quote.....The only plan was to destroy Mitt anyway possible- hateful? my God did you see ANY of the Demo commercials or adds?.....EndQuote

Yes, we saw the ads. They were ALL true. Many of Romney's were not.

You folks have been hounding President Obama from 2008 forward with: his birth certificate; his college transcripts; his religion; his associates; he's a socialist; he's a communist; he's a fascist; the list goes on and on.

Mitch McConnell said, shortly after Obama was elected, his main goal was to make President Obama a one-term president. It wasn't to fix the economy or end the wars or anything that really mattered.

Well, we haven't heard too much from McConnell lately. What is his revised goal? Is it to make Obama a two-term president? You folks were not elected to lead. So, follow or get out of the way.

Don't blame the liberals only. The Republicans had a head start on the spewing of hate (their primaries). They called President Obama everything but an American.

And Liberal or not, you don't bring a knife to a gunfight...

Pragmatic,

I've read a ton of these comments over the years.

Yours is the most poignant and well-written post that I have ever read.

Good for you! Keep up the rationality. God knows we need more of that!

I can save the GOP a couple of bucks on a new survey. Stop doing the things below and stop chosing the wrong candidates, and you will be back in the game in 2016.

In a nutshell, in my opinion, here are the 4 top reasons the R's lost this year:

1) Catering to the ignorant right wing faction of their party (y'all know who you are)
1.1) Which lead to picking a cadre of wackadoo candidates (Bachmann, Pizza-dude, Perry, etc)
1.1.1) Which caused Romney to become "severely conservative" to win primaries.
1.2) It also drove anti-immigrant (i.e.; anti-latino) sentiment and legistation (self-deportation, "papers-please" laws in AZ and AL, etc)
1.3) Birthers. Need I say more Mr Trump?

2) Too much influence by the religious right
2.1) Which drove anti-woman legistlation ("legitimate rape", contraception battle, planned parenthood defunding, intrusive pre-abortion prcedures, etc)
2.2) Anti-gay legislation

3) Romney was plain and simple the wrong candidate. Too much baggage from his private sector days and the primaries.
3.1) His stance on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE was wrong: Detroit, Healthcare, Taxes, Planned Parenthood, Immigration, Foreign Policy.
3.2) He was "severely dishonest". You simply cannot lie the way he did and be rewarded with the highest office in the land.

4) If you shoot an elephant you better kill it. If you don't he will trample your ass. The Republicans tried EVERY DIRTY TRICK IN THE BOOK to steal the elections: parisan policies in Ohio where voting differed by county (red vs. blue); attempted draconian voter ID laws in PA without allowing for enought time to implement them fairly; reduction of voting hours in FL where people stood for 8-10 hours to vote; etc. This did more to get people out (and stay out) to vote than anything else they could have tried. The elephant trampled their ass.

TO: Celtic 1 who wrote:

"I am SO sick of Liberals using the word "hate" the word has no meaning anymore . As if Democrats are so God Almighty kind, tolerant and peaceful. You accuse a good man of essentially letting a mans wife die, you call him a felon on the senate floor, you distort his record with Bain, even when proved wrong,accuse of of cruelty to dogs, bring up ONE incident from HS 48 years ago..."

The difference between Democrats and Republicans is, all that stuff about Romney was true, Republicans were dripping with hate-speech everyday non-stop; at the Republican Debate a man in the audience did call for a man to literally die rather than have affordable healthcare; Romney never released his tax records during an election he desperately wanted to win so that does make it suspicious that he wouldn't do such a small thing as to release his tax returns UNLESS it would make him LOSE the election; and we all know Romney did put his dog on the top of his car.

All that crap about birth certificates, Kenya, college transcripts, muslims, etc., was all a bunch of hooey.

Forward >>>

TO: JM-1992894:

Dang JM, you knocked it out of the park!

Good post!

Celtic1- you stated, above, that hate was a word that had basically lost its meaning in this election. I beg to differ with you on that one. In an effort to understand the opinions of the"other side" (Republican party), I have read the comments on various, obviously Republican posts on Facebook. Many of the comments are quite disturbing, and incredibally hostile & hateful in regards to our current President. Donald Trump has made an absolute a$$ of himself lately in reference to the President. A sitting judge in Texas warned, before the election, that should the President be re-elected, he expected his country to fall into another civil war, and, with the help of United Nations troops, we would see the this country occupied with foreign troops! The day after the election, some far-right members of the Republican party had posted, on FB, pictures of the American flag upside down, a universal military signal of distress. That should be really offensive to all members of the military. I have read comments from enraged people who call the President all types of disdainful names, with little care about libel issues. One woman went so far as to state that due to her rights to freedom of speech, she would call him anything she wanted to, as it was her right. What about truth? Civility went right out the window with this election, as disdain & outright hate took over.

One needs to look no further than the comments here to see why the republicans got hammered.

Check out the arrogance from Auther, Celtic and Oscar; the attitude of "either agree with me or you're an idiot" is typical of this new age of right wing low information citizen.

Even in the face of utter defeat they somehow maintain their arrogance, just like Romney throughout his campaign. Apparently, he truely believed he could treat adult Americans with an attitude of "listen, I"m smart and you're stupid. No, you can't see my tax returns because you're too stupid to understand them. Just be sure to vote for me and I"ll take care of everything. Trust me, that's all you have to do or understand".

So, when that didn't fly, it wasn't because Romney is an arrogant self important ahole, it's because all of us are stupid.

Well, 47% of us anyway.

Hey Arthur66. You said:

The answer to fixing our economy is NOT President Obama, whose only private sector job was as a six-hour-a-week law lecturer, and the bitter partisans Reid and Pelosi leading their party in the Congress.

No Senate budget in over 1300 days

16 trillion in debt

4 consecutive trillion dollar deficits (the only 4 in our nation's history)

23 million Americans struggling to find work

47 million on food stamps

ZERO solutions from the Democrats other than to fleece working families and small businesses for more taxes.

Unemployment will be BACK over 8%. The debt will be 20 TRILLION.

You leftists are SUCKERS.

May God help our country!

I know I shouldn't reply to you, seeming as though you won't hear anything I'm saying, but I would be remiss if I don't speak to such ignorance.

1. Bitter partisans in congress? The fact is the Republicans in congress have been some of the most obstructive partisans in modern times, evoking an unprecedented amount of fillibusters, and blocking legislation that we know would work. Sadly, their end game, to see to it that President Obama is a one termer, has been taken out of their grasp.

2. 16 trillion dollars in debt? When Obama came to office, the debt was already 10 trillion. Now, what you have to realize is that the government was already spending 1 trillion dollars more than it was taking in when he came into office. The least that he could have done, if you have any vague familiarity with basic macroeconomics, is keep spending at the same level, much less decrease it in a depressed economy. So, no, Obama is not the big government spender that the right makes him out to be.

3. The first trillion dollar deficit was under the budges that Bush had put in place, not Obama. Which goes back to my previous point, keeping spending at the same level, much less decreasing it.

4. That 23 million people figure, while deceptive in and of itself, gets smaller, and smaller every day.

5. More people tend to get food stamps when you go through the worst economic downturn in any of our lives.

6. Zero solutions from Republicans except give more tax breaks to rich people, despite the fact that that approach is missing the heart of this recession, which is a lack of demand.

7. Well, were in a recovery, which means that more people will be working. The unemployment rate might go up, if more people start looking for work. However, when more people start looking for work, I'm pretty sure that's a sign of a recovering labor market. If you're implying the unemployment rate will tick up because were headed for another recession, then you must know something that the rest of the advanced world doesn't. Won't you share your data with us? Or is it just a gut feeling?

8. May god help our country from people like yourself who don't know the first thing about anything, yet parade around like your geniuses.

Obama could not run on his record, which he did not.

Well, I think he did!

... the numbers for Bush's last three months. Between October and November, 597,000 jobs were lost; between November and December, 681,000 were lost; and between December and January, 741,000 were lost.

August 30, 2012 -- The private sector created, on average, about 157,000 jobs a month in the past 29 months — a pace somewhat faster than population growth.

DJIA Dec 1, 2008 8149.09
DJIA Aug 21, 2012 13172.77

Dec. 29, 2008 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. corporate earnings fell for a sixth-straight quarter, the longest streak in at least 20 years, as consumer spending on automobiles, homes and retailers collapsed.

Jul 31, 2012 (Bloomberg) -- Profits for companies in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index have grown for 10 straight quarters, helping to power the index to a more than twofold increase since March 2009.

The biggest joke in the whole election was Republicans asking "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?" It didn't last long. Because... Hell, yes we are!!

Romney said Obama bought votes by showering gifts on certain demographics. What does he think his 20% tax cut was? Both Reagan and Bush bought votes by offering tax cuts. Reagan once and Bush twice. Can anyone really say the offer to cut someone paying 10K in taxes by 2K didn't get him lots of votes? The problem is Romney was so bad it would take a lot more than a few thousand to be willing to subject the country to him.

EEngineer

While I am no Pug, that is not entirely true. Corporate profits have been going down for the last year and a half, and while employment has gone up, pay per hour has gone down. It is that divisiveness that keeps us from solving our problems. You did that we did this it is all your fault you can't touch that we built that that is not human but but but but but but, we are all at fault because we hire lobbyists to push policy that we all know should be more balanced.

Celtic ... Obama, democrats nor we had to tear romney down ... he did an EXCELLENT JOB of that all on his own with the 47% remark .... he was scarey ... clueless, mean, hateful, useless, and romney built that ...

Why is it you are the only person who does not remove the reply feature?- mutt, seeking sanity, American girl Ian all the rest of you spew then do not leave the feature available so I can report.. Typical. instead of calling Mitt names give me an example of him being "useless" clueless? I do not know many people worth 250 million who are clueless, but I will listen. Scary? how?

Corporate profits have been going down for the last year and a half,

I am not saying this... read the quotes, this comes from Bloomberg and Forbes. Who do you quote that contradicts that?

Pragmatic noted: "The Republicans in this election cycle came off as a group of jerks."

Actually, I think they came off as lying old white men who hated women, wanted to protect assets of rich people and could care a damn about 47% of all the rest of the people in the country who dared to rely on any social program like Medicare, Social Security or aid of any other kind..........REGARDLESS of the fact that it was the Republicans under the Bush administration that dug us a deep hole in the economy to start the depression rolling.

@JM-1992894 That was a great post except for one small thing - item #4. The elephant is the symbol of the Republican party.

EEngineer

When I am not working my arse off finishing concrete, I trade stocks and watch the markets. Most companies in the last year have been reporting less and less profit. In fact, many have swung to losses. Take a look at Apple. While they are not reporting a loss, their profits have slumped substantially.

By the way, this has little to do with who is president. It has to do with policies, regulations, and the overall economy. So, when you believe that the good in the market has to do with the President, then you must say they have responsibility with what will happen in January.

Watch out, the Krazy Koch Klan will run as a team next time to make sure there s no flip-flopping.

Bill, of course they don't have a strong candidate hence why they nominated Romney. Did you see the field of losers who ran in the primaries? Romney was the best they had. If the GOP doesn't get it together, they can join the ranks of the American Whig Party and the Know Nothings. Come to think of it, they could revive the name "Know Nothings". Seems appropriate to me.

The answer to fixing our economy is NOT President Obama, whose only private sector job was as a six-hour-a-week law lecturer, and the bitter partisans Reid and Pelosi leading their party in the Congress.

The nonsense that having business experience makes a better president is absurd. If Romney's term as governor didn't convince the past records of successful businessmen presidents should. Herbert Hoover, republican president during the great depression was a very wealthy businessman. Jimmy Carter successful peanut farmer and warehouser, George W. Bush successful oil man and man who resided over what may have equaled the 1929 meltdown without massive federal intervention.

Presidents with no business experience. Ronald Reagan, Obama, John Kennedy, Dwight Eisenhauer, Roosevelt.

Agree with above.

Presidents with business experience: Herbert Hoover, Jimmy Carter, George HW Bush, George W Bush

Presidents with no business experience: Roosevelt, Reagan, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Clinton, etc

Need a tissue to dry your tears?

Whiner.

TO: underemployed-2977756

"Nothing uglier than a sore winner..."

You're just feeling what we felt when Bush cheated his way into the White House, twice!

Boo, hoo. You guys lost, so get over it.

I'll take Seamus. He didn't deserve the first trip on top of the car and certainly doesn't deserve a second!

Partially agree, Condumb! Hussein wants to take, take, take (#2 didn't lose big time) from people who EARNED their money and give, give, give (redistribute) to those who want "money for nothing."

Oscar, absolutely nothing in reality supports your position... it's just tired old propaganda. Let's talk about the wealth redistribution from the middle to the upper class... the reality is that it's some in the upper class that want the biggest handouts.

OK, Humble human, let's talk about "some in the upper class that want the biggest handouts." I would say, in reality that is, that an overwhelming majority of the "upper class" pay the majority of taxes. However, almost half of "the other classes" do not pay any taxes. Who's wanting the biggest handouts??? Of course, there are exceptions to those "in the upper class" that don't pay the majority of taxes. Take, for instance, GE. Hussein's buddies. They are a BIG EEEEEVIL corporation that paid no taxes.

Oscar Rules -

By ANY statistical measure the wealthiest Americans have done much better than the poor and the middle class over the last few decades.

CEO compensation used to be about 40 times the average workers pay, now it is 300 times.

The share of wealth owned by the top 1% has increased faster than their share of the tax burden. Effective tax rates for the wealthy are at historic lows due to the 'carried interest' exemption and the low capital gains rate.

The middle class and poor pay a disproportionate share of payroll taxes, while it is blatantly obvious to anyone with a rudimentary understanding of the federal income tax code that it is tilted towards the wealthy.

How much is enough? How much lower do they want the tax rates to go?

Oscar Rules

OK, Humble human, let's talk about "some in the upper class that want the biggest handouts." I would say, in reality that is, that an overwhelming majority of the "upper class" pay the majority of taxes. However, almost half of "the other classes" do not pay any taxes.

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HAHAHAHAHA, this BS has been proven to be BS many many times....

SURE people THAT DONT MAKE VERY MUCH MONEY dont pay FEDERAL INCOME TAX, but they pay LOTS OF TAXES..

To start with a large chunk is paid through PAYROLL TAXES..

Then there is gasoline, sales, etc etc etc..

They dont get to "write off" many of these because of the same reason they dont pay FEDERAL INCOME TAX as they dont MAKE ENOUGH MONEY to be able to take advantage of those tax LOOPHOLES...

With every post you show all the ignorant sheepleness that is you and your ilk

"With every post you show all the ignorant sheepleness that is you and your ilk"

Back at ya, Dan!!!!

However, almost half of "the other classes" do not pay any taxes. Who's wanting the biggest handouts?

Actually one of the reasons so many in the middle class have no income tax liability is because of laws passed by the Republican congresses from 1994 to 2006. Things like the Child Tax Credit.

Oscar Rules..........

Not enough folks are buying your propaganda these days. That's a trend that is not moving in your direction.

So, what are you planning to do about it?

Oscar Rules

"With every post you show all the ignorant sheepleness that is you and your ilk"

Back at ya, Dan!!!!

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YEAH, thats all ya got, nothing to refute what I said

No surprise there

They aren't really. They just noted in the poll that significantly more voters blamed Bush for the economic fallout...More than likely, the GOP will just write it off as the general population being idiots rather than dig deeper

...The writing is on the wall for the GOP...it's been there for years. They've been shedding membership while the DNC has largely stagnated and the moderates/undecided has ballooned outwards.

Instead of fixing what was broken, the GOP has doubled-down on crazy and went pants-on-head-stupid considering the brain trust that was Bachman, Santorum and Perry during the primaries.

Semi-sane people chose Romney in the primary, but rather than properly making use of a potentially strong candidate, the GOP completely disassembles Romney and tries to reconstruct him as some sort of conservative and elite businessman rather than a moderate Republican that could be a welcome change of pace from the failed fiscal policies of Bush and not a supporter of the unsavory freedom-killing desires of the social conservatives.

It's the equivalent of taking apart a tractor and trying to enter it in a drag race.

It may have been a really good tractor, but it makes a terrible dragster.

Bachman, Perry and Santorum lost for a very good reason...identify WHY that is, because it's the same thing that makes each GOP presidential candidate barely palatable in the general elections!

Ha! Pants-on-head-stupid.

Now that's funny!

I can't take credit for that one...but it's definitely one of my favs.

Yahtzee is great!

Unfortunately the message is "don't mess with our entitlements", we still want to continue to receive them and not have to work for them.

Okay, Chuckful; just what entitlements are you talking about. I am a retired Air Force Veteran on VA Disab. do you call that an entitlement (Romney did), Soc. Sec and Medicare (both Romney and Ryan apparently do), unemployment ( it ain't easy being unemployed for a year, much less maybe 2 or 3). I'll see if I can find someother entitlements.

chuckzul, I find fault with your notion that all Dems want to continue to receive entitlements. I was old enough to register to vote in 1972. I registered as a Democrat & have never changed that affiliation. I am also a college educated professional who has never collected any type of benefits from the government. I have worked and paid into social security for many years. My biggest issue with Mr. Romney was the 47% comment made when he was in the company of like-minded millionaires. You see, my son & daughter-in-law were part of that 47% of Americans who paid no income tax in 2011. My son had income tax withheld from his wages before he was activated and deployed to Afghanistan (his 3rd deployment since 2005), but that was all refunded. His wife paid self-employment taxes. They have small children, giving them additional exemptions, but what really wiped out his taxable income was the fact that combat wages are tax free (but not exempt from Social security & medicare tax). Is this one of the ENTITLEMENTS to which you refer? Should he have risked his life on three separate deployments so we can live a life of freedom, only to be taxed on the rather modest pay received by our military? As stated by Lotabls, I heard the Reublican message & just did not agree with it!

TO: chuckzul who wrote:

"Unfortunately the message is "don't mess with our entitlements", we still want to continue to receive them and not have to work for them."

We worked AND paid for our retirement benefits FIRST, which is why we are ENTITLED to our pre-paid retirement benefits now!

Now get your freaking hand out of my pocket!

And Hussein had far fewer votes than in 2008.

So what and your point is?

2008 was like 1976, a Republican could have crapped 10 golden eggs out of his butt for every American and still would have lost. In 2012, my dog could have been the Republican candidate and she would have gotten more votes than McCain did in 2008.

As the article notes, Romney lost battleground states by more than Bush did in 2004 and 2000. Moreover, winning more of a smaller pie isn't going to help Republicans.

Capt. Smash and Bob: exactly.

Yeah, Obama did worse, Mitt did better than McCain but Obama still won. Another point, the people who voted for Obama are mostly people who get up and work everyday to pay bills and take care of families. They're on the frontlines dealing with higher gas prices while Oil execs get richer. They're the first ones to get laid off while their bosses keep their millions. They are the people who don't have the privilege of huge tax loopholes to increase the millions they already have. The middle class makes this country and the middle class has been getting crapped on for years. These people don't want something for nothing. They want to know that their president sees them in the trenches and truly gives a crap. Theydon't care so much about who you can or can't marry, who gets an abortion or how "Christian" someone says they are.

parkour38 - well said but unfortunately the righties will never understand!

A bit of satire that's all. Positive results, my ars! there were no positives. Can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

you know what Oscar Rules - shut up shut up and go away - in the first place and I have told you this before the President does not mind anyone using his middle name. you use it to make a racist point - your postings are ignorant crude and now that President Barack Hussein Obama has won re-election why don't you go troll some place else. I am still trying to recover from the mountain of ignorant things Republicans said during the election. I am trying to clear my mind of garbage and here you are again. we won - you lost - deal

Wow, I've put Oscar on ignore and I'm so glad. I haven't seen a single post of his on this blog.

Romney lost Virginia.

And lost Florida.

Well, most of the confederacy.

And nearly half of the country feels that we don't have to pay for your food and shelter if you are not willing to work for it. Personal responsibility and all.....ever hear of it???

The only consistent position Mitt had was that he wasn't going to release his tax returns. He stuck to that one anyway.

How could anyone trust Mitt to understand the issues the ordinary Americans face? Not possible.

Oscar, Prove that there are jobs that will provide decent wages and benefits that nearly half the country is refusing to take. Show me all those jobs that can't be filled. Where are all of these lazy "takers" and why didn't we know about them before Romney? Are you an American, Oscar? Your rant sounds unlike something I believed America to be. "Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses, yearning to be free..."

I missed the quote that says "Welcome only wealthy and successful White men, selfish and out of touch with reality"...

There is nothing wrong with success or wealth, there is something wrong with extreme selfishness....

Oscar - your stupidity is beyond old! Everyone I know is willing to work and most of us are working. Since Republicans like Romney are still sending jobs overseas, there are not enough jobs so people are getting government assistance until jobs become available. It has NEVER been the habit of the US to let people starve to death - even though that appears to be your preference.

Get your head out of the sand you moron! YOU are the problem and hate-filled ignorant buffoons like you!

Republicans want to "connect more" with Americans but insult half the country by saying that they only voted for Obama because they want something for nothing. Its the rhetoric they use that keeps them from winning the White House. They don't understand that Americans need something other than social/moral legislation. Is it really logical to believe that 50% or more of the country is sitting around waiting for a handout? All the Republicans did was to criticize Obama's policies but they didn't really offer much in return. At my work, you don't complain about something unless you have a better solution ON THE TABLE. Otherwise, you're just a whiner and part of the problem.

NB820-001, so you ADMIT that there are no jobs available??? I thought Hussein was the savior with positive job growth and all.....ah ha ha ha!!!! HYPOCRITES!!! All of you LiberalLand dwellers are HYPOCRITES!!!! "LOL!"

Some conservatives seem to think that government assistance programs are generally being taken advantage of by unscrupulous entities. For that reason, they suggest the programs be eliminated or drastically cut back. These programs help many genuinely disadvantaged people, often for just a temporary time period, while they receive training, healthcare, etc. Our legislators should be monitoring this, and making changes to the rules of these programs if they are not working as intended. People do need help from time to time. Fix the programs, don’t just scrap them.

Sanity,

You seriously need to visit an inner city food pantry or homeless shelter. Where I live one is empty the other full. Small businesses (and some large) are culling their staff or converting them to part time in response to the anticipated tax hikes (especially Obamacare). Many smaller business owners I know say they will completely close shop because they will not be able to afford the losses. This is the true and objective path that has been set before the American people. People will not only starve to death, they wll also die from lack of proper medical assistance and care. I am not a republican, conservative, or a affiliated with any other political party, but I do have one question and one challenge for all the ardent Obama supporters (especially Feisty). My question is, at what point will you acknowledge that Obama was an utter failure? Second, my challenge is this, if Obama actually does great things, I will admit that he's a good President, but, equally, if he screws the pooch over the course of the next 4 years, you democrats, have to equally "man up" and admit he's a failure.......deal?

"Liberal Land Dwellers"....who are you, Popeye...Poopdeck Pappy? Yes, a lot of jobs started being lost during the Bush era (back when you probably weren't complaining about the way things were going down the tubes because Bush was a republican) and they continued into Obama's first term. Some jobs have come back and though growth is slow, its still growth. To me, and probably most folks, if you're not losing....then you're going in the right direction.

chuckzul - I volunteer at a shelter so I know what is happening. I know many businesses that are adding jobs - full time. And, if Republicans will stop sitting on the President's proposals, there will be even more jobs. The obstructionists of the Republican party are to blame for the slowness of this recovery.

The rest of your post is garbage. You clearly don't know business owners or not good ones.

Why do you wish for the President to be a failure? Your entire post belies your claim you are not a Republican and shows your as the partisan hack you clearly are.

Your lack of honesty is unfortunately too common a trait of the far right!

No Oscar, read my post again. I mentioned DECENT jobs with BENEFITS. Where are those jobs? Minimum wages and part time jobs force people to seek assistance outside of their employer....

Oscar,

In case you missed it, though it was explained over and over after the 47% remark, that group is not lazy people who consider themselves victims that won't help themselves, as Romney stated and you seem to agee.

Nearly 2/3 of this group work and earn between $20,000 and millions of dollars and pay no taxes because of the totally legal tax deductions they can take (many of which were created by Republicans). Another 1/3 are seniors living on social security and the remaining 6% are earning below $20,000. Funny how when the rich take so many deductions they pay less than many middle income (or none at all), it's called smart and savvy, but when lower and middle income use their tax deductions, they're called lazy!

Oscar, honey, you are proving, without a shadow of a doubt, the truth about the right. That no amount of telling you is going to budge you from your wrongheaded and ill-informed positions and blind beliefs.

Stop now, while you still have a shred of self-respect. You've been eviscerated. Own it, and step back gracefully.

Oscar here is a link to a good song for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFb8drf2MTw

Hahaha...good post. Of course admitting to their donors that the principal reason for their loss was their own incompetency is not a good way to encourage future contributions.

TO: stone6 who wrote:

"... [Republicans] admitting to their donors that the principal reason for their loss was their own incompetency is not a good way to encourage future contributions."

True, but it's about time somebody started telling those fools the truth.

I thought that there weren't enough right wing wackos to elect anybody president, but I am surprised at how close they got.

I still love that the #1 takeaway for the RNC in all of this is that they "need to improve how we deliver our message"

WTF?! REALLY?

So it's all about the marketing then? Really?

So Kodak isn't in the toilet because they decided to embrace something that was clearly on the decline and ultimately going to be phased out? Kodak just needed better marketing?

GAAAWWWWD! How delusional can these people be?

Here's a hint. Did you see how President Obama defended Susan Rice? Do that.

Amy - That was a rhetorical statement. As complicated as everything seems to these clowns, a party platform that does not respect the individual rights of over half of the voters does not deserve to win.

You're right, of course. Brian. I just had to get that in because I was so impressed with the President's defence of his UN ambassador against McCain's ridiculous attacks.

Did you read the story about the woman dying in Ireland because of a religious law? Did you hear the comments from the two MALE republicans about female rape victims who get pregnant?

Most of us women do not want to live under religious law made up by men and since the repubs support that kind of thing...uh, most of us tend to run the other way.

There is a whole crapload of other reasons too...women are usually more compassionate, so many of us don't like candidates that want to take foodstamps away from children, deny medical care to a working poor person or go after the social security benefits of our elderly. Since the repub party tends to want to do all these things...once again, we run the other way.

When men criticize women then I just say "state of the world"...you men are still running it and it's more effed up than it's ever been.

I do not have a problem with Republicans standing by whatever they believe. They just shouldn't act surprised when their policies cost them elections. Why should women vote against their own self-interests? Because the men in charge said so? It worked in past elections, so I can understand why they are stunned this time. Too bad women, Latinos, Asians, young people and Blacks weren't fooled this time.

That 47% comment was a real campaign killer...

TO: Amy B. Portland, ME in response to:

[Brian-1075075 who wrote: "It was the women and if any of you can figure out why women do what they do please let the rest of us know."]

Here's a hint. Did you see how President Obama defended Susan Rice? Do that.

Amy: EXCELLENT response, and very good advice!

"Why do they keep talking to these losers...?" You're right, Capt. Smash. I don't know why I keep talking to you losers. Especially if you don't want to "here" from us. Hope you're comfortable in your little insulated world where you never have to "here" an opposing point of view. Peace.

No no Smash & Oscar--we are the with MONEY remember? most of us are well enough insulated from folks like you. We will be fine, it is you guys who will suffer. We did not get our wealth from sucking on the tit of big Govt- enjoy the next 4 years years as the quality of life sinks down into the black hole of Calcutta, I will send you a postcard.

Celtic - you are a filthy, digusting excuse for a human being. But, that makes you the perfect Republican! You are true gutter trash!

I am feeling the Love

but everything the gentlemen who posted before me was civil? oh that's right only those of us on the right are mean. when we retort their seems to be a problem. You are too easy to provoke

We did not get our wealth from sucking on the tit of big Govt

Actually, the Republican candidates for Pres./VP both did.

Paul Ryan's family built their fortune by getting federal contracts to build roads.

Mitt Romney used various tax loopholes including the 'carried interest exemption' to reduce his tax rate to half of what most hard-working Americans pay. He also negotiated a huge Federal loan forgiveness for Bain Inc.

Yes, it was all legal. Unemployment benefits, Social Security, Medicare, Welfare, and Disabilty payments are also legal. Same Government, different "tit".

TNSEVOL - Celtic will never admit the truth. She/he/it prefers to make the same old Republican lie that all of us working - don't. And, that no one but Republicans provide for themselves. It's the same ignorant whine from the far right. Where do they find all of these stupid people?

Celtic - so accusing everyone of sucking on the government tit is civil in your warped mind? You truly are gutter trash!

Susan I have to assume by your language you are in High School ,maybe a college drop-out. Save the working class hero BS OK? I came from modest means, I WORKED in the fast food industry throughout HS and College. - I paid for my MBA myself, no Govt loans. I know what is means to be without and to be with, with is much better! Some people make it, others like yourself do not. Don't hate, envy, or resent those who have achieved success, It is there for everyone. Let me ask you why else do dirt poor folks from around he world risk their lives to get here? Because things are possible here like no where else in the world. That is what makes this country great, not malcontents like you who love to call names.

Celtic, you are another one who has convinced yourself of your own superiority. Based on what? Goody for you, to have an MBA, and "no "Govt loans" (sic). Big deal. There are a LOT of us who you would call "liberals" who are the same. You make ridiculous assumptions that have zero basis in fact.

Working in the fast food industry? THAT makes you superior? LOL!!! Thank you for the laugh.

Not superior no, but I have worked, struggled, like many many Americans. I do not (like many) expect someone to do it for me, I did not expect charity or pity. I expected the chance to make it which I did and I know that millions of Americans can to- w/o the Govt dole to rely on from craddle to grave. Glad you got a laugh, Im here all week---

Celtic lives the American dream: Sitting around in his mom's basement, in his underwear, trolling on the Internet!

Very creative, did you get that from South Park? this is why it is impossible to discuss issues with the left. You are either a pervert like(Humble Human) , dive right into name calling and insults, or believe everything that comes forth from the mouth of MSNBC - expect the divide in the country to grow wider, only one side will be living much better, guess who?

I'll engage with you Celtic, in a respectful manner. I've been working since age 15, went to school with the money I saved and earned a Bachelor's in Biology. No loans. I work for start-up who offers zero benefits, meaning I pay for them out of pocket. It ain't cheap. I bought a modest dwelling, even putting 20% down. (Which has been absorbed by the bad market.) I live within my means and don't spend money on frivolous things. I haven't ever taken a dime from the government. But I'm not wealthy.

So you might be wondering, what am I doing being a liberal? I'm pretty fiscally conservative and budget carefully. The GOP governors recently described my age group as a bunch of mooching socialists. I take great offense to that. They paint my wife, whom doesn't work (and thus pays no income tax) as a moocher. I take great offense to that. Then they grate on my nerves every time they talk about rape. If I called you names, would you vote for me? Heck no!

I'm one shy investor away from being in financial trouble. And it's good to know that if that happens, I won't get into debt or worse, lose my home I've worked hard for. I hope to never need a dime from the government and will do everything in my power to ensure this doesn't happen. But sometimes it happens. And I'd rather support a party that understands that as opposed to "well, you should have made more money when you were working."