The GNOP took no time at all to pick up where they left off before the elections. They are already showing that they know little else but to obstruct Congress and hold the country as hostage.

"do whatever to block the nomination that is within our power"

Hasn't that been the mantra of the GOP for uhhhhh the last four years????? Nothing new here!

The Teapublicans will remain the Party of No. No progress, no touch of reality, no concern for the country.

Susan Rice's credentials are impressive. From Wiki

"Rice was a three-sport athlete, student council president, and valedictorian at National Cathedral School in Washington, D.C., a private day girls' school.^[6] She played point guard in basketball and directed the offense, acquiring the nickname "Spo", short for "Sportin'".^[6]

Rice said that her parents taught her to "never use race as an excuse or advantage", and as a young girl she "dreamed of becoming the first U.S. Senator from the District of Columbia".^[2] She also held "lingering fears" that her accomplishments would be diminished by people who attributed them to affirmative action.^[2] After her father's death in 2011, she said, “He believed segregation had constrained him from being all he could be. The psychological hangover of that took him decades to overcome. His most fervent wish was that we not have that psychological baggage.”

Rice attended Stanford University, where she received a Truman Scholarship, and graduated with a B.A. in history in 1986. She was elected to Phi Beta Kappa.^[7][8]

Awarded a Rhodes Scholarship, Rice attended New College, Oxford, where she earned a M.Phil. in 1988 and D.Phil. in 1990. The Chatham House-British International Studies Association honored her dissertation titled "Commonwealth Initiative in Zimbabwe, 1979-1980: Implication for International Peacekeeping" as the UK's most distinguished in international relations.^[2][9]

The high nabobs of No-No are at it again! Of course--she is is a highly intelligent woman--and as Rick Santorum once said, the TPGOP will never have intelligent people as part of their party. It appears that the TPGOP has not learned anything from their humiliating defeat in this election. If they keep doing what they are doing, they will keep getting what they got! When will they ever learn?

"We have met the enemy and he is us!" Pogo by Walt Kelly

I would suggest these good Republicans wait for Patraeus to testify before denying Rice their votes ... that is if they still trust him, but now they have an excuse not to.

"She is so disconnected from reality that I don't trust her," Graham said.

Were you looking in the mirror when you said that Lindsay? Obama won the election, the American people saw through your phony Benghazi non-scandal and now you want to throw a temper tantrum and take it out on Ms. Rice,

John McCain continually proves how bitter and vengeful he still is. The GOP leaders have already given their verdicts of guilty in regards to Benghazi, the president, Patraeus, and Rice. This further demonstrates their inability to look past their discriminative attitudes and shows the American public that it will not matter what information comes out. They have already made up their minds.

dangerfield

After the election..the circus is back in town...

More like the hit squad.

John in Battlecreek, thanks for the information. BCWC, Al Visalia, nurse, AlaskaGirl--well said!

Apparently excellence in an individual, character and qualifications are ignored by the likes of Graham, McCain, Ayote in favor of ideological rigidity or, in this case, unfounded witch hunts.

Republican senators still have trouble with arithmetic. They are in the minority when it comes to blocking Susan Rice. Susan Rice has impressive credentials and will get the position if President Obama selects her.

But Condi Rice.....The GOP hypocrits had/have no concern about her tenure!

Gawd!

John McCain and Lindsay Graham both said a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq would be disastrous. These guys used to support immigration reform before they were against it. These guys used to be two of the wise men of the Republican Party. Now, they are just two of their leading nuts.

What's changed? Can you say Tea Party opponents in primary?

After the election..the circus is back in town...

it never left.

Filibuster away - each of them can get up and talk for as long as they want - they can not tag team - once Graham gets tired and McCain dies from exhaustion, than maybe the senate can vote. If a senator wants to filibuster it is within the rules and if the full senate cant pass a cloture vote than filibuster it is but that should mean they talk 24/7 until they finish without meal or nap breaks (let them pee). Lety them look the fools they really are. If they can convice the Republican caucuse of 45 and get 5 more Dems they can vote down the nomination, if not....

Susan Rice is an excellent choice ... more than qualified to be the next Secretary of State ... This Rice (Sue) is as good as the other Rice (Condi..)

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I wonder if Sue Rice is a lawyer..Sue..a nice name for a lawyer...as in SUE you in court

Article this morning in the International Herald Tribune (I miss my L.A. Times when I am on the road) this morning about S.O.S. candidates. Final paragraph of the story mentioned Jon Huntsman - his take on a S.O.S. appointment was, in his words, "just hall talk."

A shame.

You're right Caesar. All the Republicans are back still making excuses for their obstructionism, but now also making excuses for why they lost the 25 of 33 races for the Senate. From what I've heard, they are still clueless. They do resemble the clowns in the clown car, but it is a clown car driven by the mad hatters fo the Tea Party.

After the election..the circus is back in town...

The pompa circensis was dull and repetitive.

Take the FAKE filibuster away from these crybabies and make them do the REAL filibuster, they wouldn't last six hours and then it would be over. When the Dems remove the fake filibuster from the Senate, gridlock in Washington will finally be defeated. The Republicans are past the limit on employing the Fake Filibuster; it should be removed from their arsenal and retained by the democrats until they have used it the same number of times, then it should be gone from the Senate forever.

Touchdown, Broncos!!!

From the article above:

Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., each pledged to filibuster Rice's prospective nomination as secretary of state due to her public explanations for the Sept. 11, 2012 attacks on a U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya.

"She is so disconnected from reality that I don't trust her," Graham said

President Obama hasn't nominated Ambassador Rice yet.

He is just testing the waters for a reaction.

This is the kind of thing I see every Sunday with Payton Manning, now as quarterback for the Denver Broncos.

Payton steps up to the line of scrimmage and assesses the defense. He calls and audible, then another, then looks back at his running back and tells him where to stand, then hikes the ball.

This is yet another brilliant move by the President and his staff.

The old and past-their-prime Veterans, Senator McCain and Graham are about to get burned by a 65 yard TD pass to Eric Decker.

After the play, they will be sitting on the bench scratching their heads.

Salud

John McCain -- I voted for you in the 2000 Republican primary. At one time I had tremendous respect for you. But you have evolved into a bitter, nasty, vengeful old man. The sooner you leave the Senate, the better.

My gosh are the lefties on this site ever so hypocritical. How is vowing to block Rice any different than democrats who didn't allow appointment under Reagan, Bush I and II?

Just so you know, the appointment of these positions, in my opinion, is the purvue of the president. The senate is to "advise and consent"

I am so glad glad glad that McCain did not get the presidency. We are going to have to work very hard in this country to keep the extremist right cancer from spreading. Chemotherapy and surgery are in order.

TomasGrande

Touchdown, Broncos!!!

This is yet another brilliant move by the President and his staff.

The old and past-their-prime Veterans, Senator McCain and Graham are about to get burned by a 65 yard TD pass to Eric Decker.

Tomas, I'm watching the news conference he just did when the stupid reporters started that Susan Rice blah blah. He said leave Susan Rice along. If you want to come after somebody come after me (parahasing). Then he gave that cold stare like he did MYTH Romney in the foreign policy debate. ♥ed it!!

Bring it on NEWSTAINERS & GOP/ Tea Banger clowns. Our President is serious about the business of this country and will not be deterred.

Bookem'Danno-

My gosh are the lefties on this site ever so hypocritical. How is vowing to block Rice any different than democrats who didn't allow appointment under Reagan, Bush I and II?

Can you site any specific blocked appointments that you disagree with? I can think of Robert Bork and Harriet Myers as two examples of appointees we were lucky to avoid.

The Republicans want soooooooo desperately to have a "gate" fiasco to freeze up this Administration. THE PROBLEM IS THEY KNOW THEY GOT THE SAME INFO as everyone else. So Amb. Rice was simply telling what she had been told and the same that CONGRESS had been told. What would Graham have said if HE WAS ASKED THE SAME QUESTION THE SAME DAY????

Beverly-

Our President is serious about the business of this country and will not be deterred.

I know.

It's going to be a JOY to see this President kick-butt these next 4 years and stand up for us Middle Class.

Time to get this nation building again!!!

Salud

"She is so disconnected from reality that I don’t trust her," Graham said.

Republicans are so disconnected from reality, how would they know what that looks like?

Imagine that.

The GOP/TEA neanderthals say they will block the administration's nominee for Secretary of State.

Whodda thunk it?

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shaak322

You're right Caesar. All the Republicans are back still making excuses for their obstructionism, but now also making excuses for why they lost the 25 of 33 races for the Senate. From what I've heard, they are still clueless. They do resemble the clowns in the clown car, but it is a clown car driven by the mad hatters fo the Tea Party

interesting considering the DNC still cant accomplish much with the 'mandate'. Clowns is right.

It's going to be a JOY to see this President kick-butt these next 4 years and stand up for us Middle Class.

was it a Joy the previous 4 when he wasnt sticking up for the middle class?

Time to get this nation building again!!!

ARRA and that was a joke. Keep marching with your vile hatred of the right. FR liberals prove my point that they would love the One party system.

Hey Caesar, it was W. that said things would be a whole lot easier if we had a dictatorship!

So let me get this straight, the GOP is calling for an independent investigation committee to look into the incident, but before the investigation has even taken place they already know who is to blame? Hypocrisy, politics, or distraction; whatever this is the GOP is good at it.

Caesar-

I can't believe you are still posting here.

I honestly feel sorry for you.

You are oblivious to the fact that the election is over and the dynamics of the nation has changed dramatically.

You are acting as if nothing has happened and still trying to blog the same way as before the election.

You don't seem to understand that we Democrats aren't playing your Rovian games anymore.

Your leader Rove is a bonified liar and loser and America is sick of all the Faux/Rush BS.

You are as obsolete as a public pay phone.

Go take your childlish games to another website.

Salud and Farewell

Wowzers! The Conservative Clown Posse is back in business!! They certainly weren't this concerned for American lives when they allowed Bush to distract from military operations in Afghanistan and invade Iraq based on lies and distortions about WMD's.

Filibuster rules need to be changed back to needing to actually be on the floor talking. As it currently stands, a senator can filibuster by calling it in and saying they'd like to filibuster... AND they don't even have to say publicly who they are! Ridiculous.

I have no problem with the practice, but you need to take some physical effort (through standing there looking like an idiot rambling at the podium) and the people filibustering would then be made public as they would be seen at the podium.

lump: You are talking about an individual Seanator's right to place a secret HOLD on a vote. This is not the same thing as a FAKE filibuster nor a REAL filibuster.

Good policy lately needs 60 votes out of 100 to beat Republican clown car filibuster. Democracy in action, now majority rule means 60%.

Mad hatters John McCain and Lindsay Graham try to lead Tea Party as they maneuver to get in front of the Tea Party's clown car with their own clown car equipped with a hitch.

The Republican Party looks pretty sad right now as they try to gain control of the Tea Party, an irrational, angry beast that threatens to consume the very same Republican Party it was supposed to save.

I can't believe you are still posting here.

I honestly feel sorry for you.

i dont need your sympathy Thomas

Go take your childlish games to another website.

why when i can stay here and enjoy the juvenile garbage here? Thats ok Thomas I understand that Orwell's Animal Farm scenario is more to your liking. Me im not a Republican, in fact I have voted my share of Dems over Repubs. I dont care if you believe me or not. I am however adamant about absolute rule by one party, one you seem to think will bring resolution. Tell senior Grande, show me in history where ONE party rule was ever effective in the long term? Salud to your condescending attitude.

Hey Caesar, it was W. that said things would be a whole lot easier if we had a dictatorship!

and? you act like i am a supporter of Bush. You know what both parties continue to chip away at the constitution. Its funny, people like Thomas think that the Democrats are the savior to mankind and believe that their intents are strictly benevolent in nature. Its funny though (not really) the unintended consequences of said benevolence.

Susan Rice is totally worthless and should be fired.

Jonh McCain and Lindsey Graham seem a pair of fools dedicated to a worldwide search for shiny objects, which the pair can construe as contrary to their perceptions of worthwhile bullsh^t. Few would really give much of a damn if they, rather than Taxpayers, paid for these junkets of moon worship. The two appear to be buddies, and while there usually is nothing wrong with such bonding, it is quite evident the union of these men would have been much more effective had they been joined at their heads, rather than their asses, even though the anatomical differences with these two are very deceiving.

McCain is a hateful old man, bordering on senility and needs to be voted out of office. That could be hard to do in Arizona where they still have 300,000 votes yet to count from this election.

The following are just judges during the 108th congress.

Migues Estrada, Priscilla Owen, Charles W. Pickering, Carolyn Kuhl, David W. McKeague, Henry Saad, Richard Allen Griffin, William H. Pryor, William Gerry Myers III and Janice Rogers Brown.^[

Caesar-

You know what both parties continue to chip away at the constitution.

Its funny, people like Thomas think that the Democrats are the savior to mankind and believe that their intents are strictly benevolent in nature.

WoW!

How egotistical and self-rightous are you?

Orwell Animal Farm senario?

You think Democrats want to be the only party?

Chipping away at the Constitution?

You, amigo have been running a quart low for some time now.

As you have proven to all of us here at First Read time and time again, you truely have no idea what Democrats stand for, believe in, or represent.

But because of your huge affection for your own views of what Democrats are, and views the Right-wing media have TOLD you what Democrats are, it's plainly obvious to us all that you are simply scared to death of being proven wrong and you cower behind you're angry, egotistical shell.

Good luck with the whole "My opinion is the only opinion" thing.

Keep me out of your crazy-train world.

Salud

These are the same guys who BLOCKED FUNDING to Sec of State CLinton when she asked for a budget increase to provide MORE security at some Embassies, including the one that was attacked! They have blood on their hands and they don't think this person is trustable? Wow!

Quoting Sneezer Almostiss...

"ARRA and that was a joke. Keep marching with your vile hatred of the right. FR liberals prove my point that they would love the One party system."

Hey sneeze, We'd actually like a two-party system but no one you invite ever shows up anywhere but floating in the proverbial punch-bowl.

Thomas is right, your whine hasn't changed pitch one iota ever since you were supposed to understand that your 'Merka no longer exists and isn't EVER going to return. You keep wailing away on that dog whistle without noticing that none are coming. It's pathetic.

Obama will determine who he wants as Secretary of State and the pasty old re-tread Republicans better get out of the way or he'll knock the dust off of them. Obstructionists that have delayed America's recovery for years intentionally right in the public eye belong in prison (at least) for treason... Of course they'd have your support because you're ignorant of the difference between right and wrong. my sympathy extends only to your Mother.

America has spoken and you apparently need to take a second language course to understand what was said.

You, amigo have been running a quart low for some time now.

says the smug hombre.

and you cower behind you're angry, egotistical shell

really says the guy that tells me to go elsewhere. How tolerant and inclusive of you. Let me know when you take a good long look in the mirror. as for Rightwing media like what? Fox? Please as if i would only get my news from Fox but funny you Che style lefties fear the ONE outlet that seems to oppose the left leaning media. I dont need to be told by the 'rightwing media' how democrats are, im fine with democrats. Its hard lefties like you that i have a beef with. I come here and its the likes of you that demonstrate what 'progressive liberalism' is about. I dont like it.

you truely have no idea what Democrats stand for, believe in, or represent.

of course not, im too dum like a hick. I wouldnt know what to do with out progressives tell me how to think and live and act. Interesting tell me where I can find these Democrat values? Do i have to join a club? Quite the secretive bunch aint ya for being so tolerant and inclusive?

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Chipping away at the Constitution?

we can start with Patriot Act. I bet you think its fine that Obama signs it but if Bush did it was bad. News for you muchacho, its bad all around.

enjoy your Blanco Torre Tomas

Quoting Sneezer Almostiss...

Hey Ruken whats up? Tick tock buddy. Tell me about Eminent Domain again? you lack originality pal. you in no way want a multiparty system go peddle your manure to Tomas, he'll believe it. he believes his own BS

Whatever happened to;

"Though I find what you say to be reprehensible

I will fight to the death to protect your right to say it."?

If you disagree with a premise, a contention or a statement, refute it with logic, scholarship or even humor, but the attempts to chase any and all dissenting voices away would if successful, reduce this joint to an echo chamber...

There is a reason why Jimmy Madison designed an adversarial framework for our political process. They loyal opposition is essential to the health of the body politic and we would descend into benign dictatorship in its absence.

dangerfield you said it much better than i could. you always have a way with words unfortunately with all the screaming it virtually will fall upon deaf ears. you, i, Sirie and Ikarus need that pint about now

I hope the Senate rules reinstate the requirement that for a filibuster to go forward, you actually have to stand and talk to maintain the filibuster. That was the old rules. Now, you can barely keep the GOP away from their lobbyists long enough to take a vote, let alone an actual filibuster.

Caesar-

How tolerant and inclusive of you.

You actually believe people should be tolerant of your abusive behavior?

Let me know when you take a good long look in the mirror.

Speaking of which, you have mastered the Rovian tactic of mirror and projection.

Che style lefties fear the ONE outlet that seems to oppose the left leaning media

Once again, someone, somewhere, has put into your low-capasity brain images of "What" Democrats are and "Who" Democrats are, and once again, you are quite happy with that, and unable to comprehend that your belief of what Democrats are, is completely wrong.

Its hard lefties like you that i have a beef with. I come here and its the likes of you that demonstrate what 'progressive liberalism' is about. I dont like it.

Again. YOU are defining what I am to justify you're own hatred. You, have no idea who, or what I am, but you persist because you are a control freak, and you can't stand it when someone else is allowed to define themselves.

You seem to have a disconnect between what Freedom of Speech is and Freedom to be obnoxious is. You obviously think they are one of the same, so feel free to exercise your right to be obnoxious.

Go on with you're delusional perception of what you think Democrats are. Go on with your perception of what you think Democrats stand for.

Keep using Rovian tactics to belittle, berate, and demonize us Democrats because that is all you know how to do and you will never change.

America is changing, and perhaps that's what you fear the most. There are more people of color in America and are voting now. Women are being empowered, and gays and lesbians are demanding to be treated with respect.

You're rants offer nothing positive for this new America. You have a twisted view of half of the people in this country and you are convinced that your view is right.

Your not right. Call me whatever names you like to ease your pain. I could care less.

You are a dinosaur. The new America is not for you.

Salud

You actually believe people should be tolerant of your abusive behavior?

im so abusive.. in what way again did I abuse you?

The new America is not for you.

I love how progressives somehow think America is theirs? Kinda sounds like some Reconquista crap to me. I have as much skin in this country as anyone else. I have given my service to this country. So you can go fvck off with this 'New America' isnt for me. There is no Rovian playbook. however you can enjoy Saul Alinsky and maybe Bill Ayers.

You can't explain what democrats are. you chide about how I dont know. I know democrats and you are NOT one. You are a progressive liberal. Big difference. Democrats and Republicans will compromise. Far on either spectrum will not. and that is what we have. This IS NOT YOUR COUNTRY

There are more people of color in America and are voting now. Women are being empowered, and gays and lesbians are demanding to be treated with respect.

and yet you feel compelled to tell me im afraid of women or color or homosexuality. Im sick of you blank sticks telling me how to think. Putting words in my mouth. I fear none of what you mention. You may think this country has fundamentally changed to your 'perceived' betterment. Just wait till the pocket hits hard enough, we'll see your change Comrade. Da.

I am a dinosaur and you are a plague.

Caesar-

im so abusive.. in what way again did I abuse you?

Thank you so much for flipping me off. I knew it was just a matter of time.

This isn't your country either.

America was never intended to be a Fascist nation as you obviously believe it is. Karl Rove and Ayn Rand would be so proud of you today on how you have demostrated your utter contempt for half of the people in America simply because of YOUR view of who they are.

Shawn Hannity and Glen Beck are simply giddy with your blogging tactics as well.

Now that I've narrowed down your hatred to "Progessive Liberals" verses "Comprimising" Democrats, I proved once again, that it is YOUR perception and YOUR interpretation of what Progressives ARE that is at the heart of your self-inflicted contemptible disgust.

So continue on in your daily rants putting good American's down for what they believe in, because after all, it's still ALL ABOUT YOU and WHAT YOU BELIEVE.

And don't worry, us PROGRESSIVES aren't putting words in your mouth or telling you what to think. It's plainly obvious there are other voices out there that are.

Salud

America was never intended to be a Fascist nation as you obviously believe it is

ah yes, the Nazi/Italy references...except repubs dont hate Captitalism or guns..

Now that I've narrowed down your hatred to "Progessive Liberals" verses "Comprimising" Democrats, I proved once again, that it is YOUR perception and YOUR interpretation of what Progressives ARE that is at the heart of your self-inflicted contemptible disgust.

and many others who see it for what it is. keep trying to pick up the clean end of the turd. You are just sanctimonius and I've seen your kind on here time and time again. You believe you are right and everyone around you outside your viewpoint wrong and garbage. You might want to see what dangerfield above said. Speaks volumes. Unfortunately when you play Hellen Keller its going to be quite hard. Echo Chamber indeed. Good bye im done with you. have the final say

Sneezer said I wasn't original. Sneezer calls me by the name of someone else. With a certainty that can only be explained by dementia i might add. Well Sneezer, you said "tick-tock"... I'm waiting. And trying to cuddle up to Dangerfield doesn't move you to the center any more than spray-painting his face got Romney there.

Boy, when I read what Thomas had done to you here while I was away I have to admit I was a little embarrassed for you. Next time your hear the beeper on the Beer truck you should just move so he doesn't run back and forth over you like that.

Everyone in America is a Minority in one way or another. I hate to go all Ann Landers on ya... But wake up and smell the coffee!!

I love your posts and your passion, Tomas, but Caesar Augustus happens to be my favorite conservative. Caesar is right by saying that both extremes are unhelpful when it comes to compromising and running the country. Caesar is not a radical. I think that the main problem here is labeling people. I voted for the president, but I'm not on welfare, never have been. Everyone who voted for Governor Romney is not an ignorant inhabitant of a trailer park or a follower of Fox. We need to see each other as individuals, not as types. I oppose the idea of telling either conservatives or liberal/progressives that they're not welcome on this board.

chick binder, you started calling me sneezer and cheezer right out the gate. and isnt that feisty's tell tell sign of a re-reg besides you were freshly 'hatched'. You seem to have a lot of 'Ruken/Xabre' in you. I dont care tool bag its only a matter of time anyways. Your secret is safe with me. not like im going to narc on you to tyler or sally.

Boy, when I read what Thomas had done to you here while I was away I have to admit I was a little embarrassed for you.

i love it when you guys have this immeasurable 'ass kicked' gauge. Yeah Tomas handed me my ass by skirtin around everything and labelling me. However chick binder you think you 'up' me in anyway you, live in a tiny bubble but its your bubble so I hate to burst it. You may have a dozen libs agree but i also consider the source of your 'friends'.

Chick binder since you think you're ever so smart, like i told Tomas there, go read what dangerfield wrote again. Maybe it will sink in with one of you.

I dont need to cuddle up to Dangerfield, I respect him. I also respect BCWC which has a different political view than I do. catch ya on the flip side trapper keeper.

Caesar-

You believe you are right and everyone around you outside your viewpoint wrong and garbage.

Funny. That was my entire point about you.

You might want to see what dangerfield above said. Speaks volumes.

I read it. I like dangerfield. We have had fine discussions. He is far more cordial than you are.

Once again, I believe dangerfield was addressing BOTH of us.

Salud

Thomas - Caesar considers himself the ultimate authority on all things so don't waste your breath. He can't reconcile the fact that his side lost in spite of all his pontifications to the contrary prior to the election. It is impossible for him to process this and I am sure it will take him quite some time to go away. He is like a mosquito in your room at night, isn't he?

Don't block her nomination..., send her to Libya.

Capn Kimmy did you ever find those 'predictions' i made? my side lost and which side would that be? I dont consider myself ultimate in anyway but hey if you think i am cool. But thanks for more of the condescending 'i cant process this' spiel. Hey Kimmy why dont you just tell me to STFU. Because you know you possess Killa Debatin skillz and we all know STFU wins the debate or argument.

Not true, pizza man, you were gone for at least a week this time.

Aww...isn't that cute...Pizza Boy getting his ass handed to him yet again...well, dinosaurs don't evolve, they only get sent on little "vacations"...so, how was your little "vacation", coward? A week off huh. It's only a matter of time until you go to log in, only to find you are on a permanent vacation from FR...multi-reggies always find out the hard way.

So, taxman...tell us all how you squandered your vote on Ryan/Romney. Not the outcome you expected, was it. See, that always happens to Fox "news" worshippers like yourself. Lots of teary eyes and damp tissues for "you and yours", right Pizza Boy? But hey...you're a "victim", right?

Or are you the "enemy"?

Face it...you are a dinosaur. Evolve or die Little Seizure. It's a brave new world...don't say I didn't warn you.

Now scurry along, oh Insignificant One...your laurel wreath is waaaay too tight.

PIZZA PIZZA!

[Because you know you possess Killa Debatin skillz...]

Sure Little Seizure...it's ok of you use my line...you know, the same one I used to describe you...

You're welcome.

Not true, pizza man, you were gone for at least a week this time.

wrong, go look yourself. If you lie about that then only imagine what else you're willing to lie about.

so, how was your little "vacation", coward?

ouch Mickey. So Wiki man gonna get your panties in a wad like you did a couple weeks ago.

Evolve or die Little Seizure.

except Dino's did evolve but i dont expect your pea brain to understand that. Perhaps you can tap into wikipedia again genius. I see you've hit the liquid courage a little hard eh keyboard cowboy ;) ... Typical Libtard Che worshipper. Tisk tisk.

Shoot i'll do the foot work for you and Clara Belle

Caesar Augustus- -- suspended for a day #1.84 - Tue Nov 6, 2012 11:11 AM PST¹Ïº

ahhh too bad you couldnt use Wiki this time Mickey Mouse. when all you have is calling me names, all i see is an uneducated laundry sorter. and if thats not good for you and I know how you love verifiable links ;) :O) *Popcorn. thats ok we have four more of obama, im sure your 'lot' in life will improve.

http://uncle-milty.newsvine.com/_news/2012/11/01/14843392-201211-november-2012-bansuspension-list

RENDER UNTO CAESAR

Sure Little Seizure...it's ok of you use my line...you know, the same one I used to describe you...

cept I win and you dont. circular logic does not equate to victory. now be a good mammal and go lay down

TomasGrande - the Peyton Manning analogy is the best I've seen in hundreds of Newsvine posts! Correct and to the point.

Perhaps I was metaphorically referring to your relevancy?

nahh,...that means my comment would have sailed over your head. no chance of THAT ever happening, eh?

lolololololololol

Hiya' Mickey! How the hell are ya'? Great year to be a Dem, eh?

Perhaps I was metaphorically referring to your relevancy?

im sure that is what you meant Clara, sure ya did.

Is Graham concerned at all with his own grasp on reality?

Why would you reward someone who lied repeatedly to the public with a promotion? What credibility would she have as Secretary of State when she has demonstrated an ability to lie - and often - for the administration? And if she only advanced what she was told then the Obama administration is to blame for scuttling a promising career.

I dont usually vote for posts, but when I do I vote for TomasGrande. Stay progressive my friend.

Do you any PROOF that she LIED............NO. Maybe her CIA briefer lied to her, but you are going to have a tough time proving that. Do that, or STFU.

Why did you re-elect Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Condoleeza Rice, etc.? They all LIED to you.

Listening to John McCain about appointments (he picked Palin for VP) is like listening to Chris Christie about dieting, McCain's military service was heroic but he has clearly become a doddering old fool who is embarrassing himself. Lindsay just has a obvious problem with women. He doesn't like the competition.

This whole thing doesn't have anything to do with Sue Rice. What the Relards want is to have John Kerry appointed sec of state. He would leave the senate, thus opening for election his empty senate seat in Mass. Now who do you think the Relards would nominate for there side, wow, Scott Brown back in the senate, imagine that. Scott Brown the moderate Relard, who always voted with the other Relards about 100%. How much money would be spent insuring his election win???

GOP senators say they would try to block [fill in the blank]

Surprise, surprise, surprise.

Maybe more people would listen if you weren't blocking something different every day. Not likely, but maybe.

After all, what's worse than a black president? A black female Secretary of State... one that's smarter and better versed than you... oh my God!!! What a horrible idea!!!

We do not need another prevaricator in the Administration. We all know Bengazi, but remember when this "genius", as our Ambassador, told the UN that Gadhfi was providing viagra to his troops so as to rape women -- a story she got from a London tabloid? She drew an international laugh and embarrassed this country. We don't need her.

Do you any PROOF that she LIED............NO. Maybe her CIA briefer lied to her, but you are going to have a tough time proving that. Do that, or STFU.

We KNOW with absolute certainty that the White House, The State Department and the CIA knew the Bengazi attacks were not spontaneous protests over a video. We also KNOW with absolute certainty that Ambassador Rice advanced that narrative over and over again on network TV. We also KNOW with absolute certainty that the White House was the one to choose Ambassador Rice to advance the story. If they provided her with false information then they should be held accountable - not only for the lie but for the damage to Ambassador Rice's reputation. Either way She has lost her credibility.

You keep claiming to "KNOW" things that you have no ability to know. You have no way of knowing what the State Dept knew, as in believed to be true. You certainly have no way of knowing what the CIA "knew, or believed to be true. The White House is a building, it didn't know sh!t. Name names of who you think had all the answers and all the facts, and knew the motivations for the attack, while keeping in mind that the "terrorist" attackers have yet to be caught, interviewed or waterboarded.

Prove what you "know" or STFU.

TomasGrande, it's people like you who think they speak for ALL Democrats that made me the Independent I am today. All parties include those who do not buy the entire platform hook, line and kool-aid. You talk of what 'a Democrat' is, and what 'a Democrat' believes as if every one is alike. Your arrogance and sanctimonious attitude is nauseating.

of course the GOP are going to block Rice's nomination.....that is what they do, block, filibuster, obstruct..deny deny deny.........no no no..............the GOP are absolutely worthless as functioning representatives as they DO NOTHING....

that is what they do...NOTHING!!!!

Why are we not firing them for dereliction of duty, for being traitors to the recovery of our nation's economy and our people needs?...............they scream impeach the President....

well, I think they should all be impeached for what they have refused to do in the last 4 years.......they have used their offices, their staff, their good and services that the American people pay for in order for them to conduct the peoples business and they use it all to further their own party agenda without a second thought as to their obligations as paid representatives.............lets impeach the GOP!!!!

Enough of this wasting of tax payer dollars and the power the public grants these public servants to work in the best interest of the American people..............the GOP are NOT working in the best interest of the American people and should all be fired immediately and replaced with persons willing to work on behalf of ALL Americans and not on behalf of their own political party agenda.

Republicans need to go...............they have stagnated the workings in Washington DC and they have done everything in their power to keep our economy in the crapper just to make the President look bad...to make people turn on him....which is what Republicans do......................

republicans pit Americans against Americans..............if that is not traitorous I don't know what is.

FIRE ALL REPUBLICANS!!!!!!

CLEAN HOUSE ALREADY SO WE CAN GET THINGS WORKING IN WASHINGTON DC AND GET THIS COUNTRY GOING AGAIN!!!!!

WE SHOULD ALL SHUN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.......WORK TO ABOLISH IT.............SUE IT..............GATHER PETITION SIGNATURES FOR IMPEACHMENT OF REPUBLICAN PARTY MEMBERS WHO CAN BE PROVEN TO HAVE WORKED AGAINST THE NATIONS RECOVERY.................IT IS TIME WE STARTED HOLDING THESE LYING TRAITORS TO TASK AND MAKE THEM EXPLAIN THEIR ACTIONS, THEIR VOTES AGAINST HELPING THE NATIONS PEOPLE, THEIR LIES, THEIR REASONS FOR ACCUSATIONS UNFOUNDED....IT IS TIME TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS THAT THEY HAVE DONE FOR THE LAST 4 YEARS AND WHY WE SHOULD LET THEY KEEP REPRESENTING ANYONE...........

and I would like to know if Paul Ryan was so surprised that he and Romney lost why did he continue to campaign for his seat in the house..............another lie.............

I am so sick of republican behavior and incendiary rhetoric and lies...........what the heck do they think they are doing?..............time for McCain to retire already..........he has managed to trash what little reputation he had remaining and is now just embarrassing himself..........

the American public deserves better representatives than the people of the GOP..............

the GOP is a big waste of money..........a real addition to our deficit.........let us start reducing the deficit by getting rid of these dead beats and get folks in there who will work and move this country forward...

why we put up with these ingrates for one more second is beyond me............lets investigate them and show through their voting records and their recorded interviews just how traitorous they are and then get rid of them...by the book..........and never let them back into public office.

GET RID OF THE GOP!!!!

The last guy who tried to say Obama was wrong got the following response from him:" Please, proceed!", and we know what happened to him. I would have figured the McCain was smart enough to "Not go there", Lindsey Graham on the other hand seems to be playing with a short deck.

Unfortunately Amy, nothing counts for anything with the tea bags. The good news is the more that Americans see the obstructionism in congress the more apt the Democrats are going to have a majority in both houses from 2014 and beyond. What Harry Reed has to do is make them really filibuster, make them speak. The tea bags are going to be sorry about obstructing American values and trying to replace them with their own.

Wow... Greed Only Party Obstructionism? Who would have thunk it?

Didn't they learn anything?

I've met both McCain and Graham, at political rallies in '08 No formal introductions, mind you, but close enough for them to try to shake hands.

McCain struck me as a doddering, disoriented old man. His handlers had to practically lead him by the hand. I realize he's a war hero, former POW, did time in the Hanoi Hilton, and was, by all accounts, once a very intelligent, thoughtful individual. If, four years ago, he was clearly disoriented, stammering, and appeared unsure of where he was, what makes anyone think he's not much more of that four years later?

Graham, on the other hand, is so effeminate that he actually creeps me out. He's full of "bless your hearts" and "God bless Americas" and how he served in the reserves before DADT is totally beyond comprehension. How someone like him even remains in office is mind-boggling. He's no better than his old mentor, Strom "The Racist Rapist from Edgefield" Thurmond.

Many South Carolinians are among the most ignorant, uneducated, backwoods redneck types you will ever see. Go to a small town in SC. Pick one at random, and you'll clearly see what I mean. There was a photo on a newspaper's website back in 2009 that really said it all. It was a photo of a trailer on a lot with waist high grass, an old pickup truck up on concrete blocks, and a hand painted sign that read "We going to have to paint it and call it the Black House now"

These people are so living in the 19th century, and it's terrifying. The very definition of the word "Conservative" explains it all...

Conservative: [kuhn-sur-vuh-tiv] —adjective, 1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change. 2. an intention to regress to previous or existing conditions without growth, expansion, or progress.

If they were academically or otherwise honest, they would realize that Condaleeza Rice had only one thing going for her when she was appointed Secretary of State: In 1992, former Secretary of State George Shultz, who was a board member of Chevron Corporation, recommended Rice for a spot on the Chevron board. Rice was also appointed to the boards of Transamerica Corporation and Hewlett-Packard. Rice headed Chevron's committee on public policy until she resigned to become Dubya Shrub's National Security Advisor. She also served on the board of directors of Charles Schwab Corporation, RAND, and a couple of other banking institutions.

She had very little experience in foreign relations, with her most notable accomplishment being negotiating successfully a deal between Chevron Oil and the Kazakstan goverment to ship oil.

So they're hypocrites, and they know it, and still do it.

I am so glad that Willard Robme did not win the Presidency. This nation would have gone bankrupt, and everything would have been outsourced to China. We'd have become a thirld-world nation before the end of his term.

Write your Congresscritters. DEMAND that they stop obstructing the President of the United States. DEMAND that they stop acting in a treasonous, traitorous and unpatriotic manner, and that they quit the partisan bickering and posturing or you will do everything "in your power" to work for their opponents in the next election.

We are not their people. They are our respresentatives. They should listen to us, not the other way around.

And just what exactly, is wrong with Sue Rice becoming Secretary of State? She is fully qualified, if her service as Ambassador to The U.N. is any indication. Working with that Body has been referred to, in the past as, "trying to herd cats!" If only her job performance is an issue, then what is all the bruhaha? Oh, wait, these Senators think that she lied to the American People, at the behest of the White House, don't they? Was THEIR Intelligence any better? She was only repeating what the C.I.A. briefing stated! NO ONE, had any REAL Intel. on what had actually happened yet! But these people are determined to try to create a scandal, whether one exsists or not. Same ol', same ol', from the Party of "NO", and yet, no-one protested, (at least not LOUDLY), when Dubya tried to nominate his cleaning lady, to The Supreme Court!! Anyone remember Harriet Myers? Probably the MOST UN-QUALIFIED person to be nominated to public office EVER!!! So just Shut Up, about Susan Rice already!

Just repeating what one of the newspersons noted: "Two old and bitter men beating up on a black woman"................Way to go John and Lindsay.................show everyone how tough you are...................and BTW...........John, next time you are asked why this is any different from Condi Rice and her stories of "weapons of mass destruction"............maybe you could try to answer the question instead of just saying "that was different".............errrr...........why? because she was a Republican and that makes such "stories" that YOU supported OK and even TRUE?

I used to have some respect for both of these grumpy old men. I didn't usually agree with them but they conducted themselves well. I now find that I have lost all respect for two men who failed to hold Condie Rice responsible for remarks she made concerning WMD in Iraq but now want to hold Susan Rice responsible. Interesting. They rail about the deaths at Benghazi but seem to have forgotten the death toll in Iraq. Sadly, they might be showing signs of senility!

Or you could ask John about how his father who sold the surviving sailors of the USS Liberty, down the river at the hearings he conducted after the incident. The USS Liberty was almost sunk by the Israelis during the 1967 war, 50 of our sailors were killed and many more were wounded. John's father, Adm. McCain helped big time in covering the incident up, and no justice for our sailors.

Michael Thomspon, thank you for doing the research and posting the results. The conservative bubble of untruths seems to have existed for many decades.

I do remember that Reagan was NOT the hero of republicans when he was elected. In fact, many didn't like him and many more were glad to see him leave office as were democrats but that didn't stop the GOP from turning Reagan into a mythological hero, trying to rename airports, highways after him, trying to erect monuments in every state of the union to honor him. The GOP successfully repackaged Reagan into their hero but in the process, they lost the reality that was Reagan but then, that suits their alternate reality universe.

Wasn't it McCain who used to say that the President is entitled to his nominees?

Do nothing obstructionist repulsivecons. Color me shocked...not.

Vote every republican out of every office every chance you get!

Michael Thompson, Charlotte, NC

I'll admit I'm an admirer of Eisenhower and he was the first I was old enough to vote for.

There is no denying the numbers you present. However, what I saw back then was not that Eisenhower got it wrong, but the the President is not a Dictator. Forces beyond his control, very evident in this time as always, began what can be seen as our downfall.

I went on to vote for Reagan thinking an ex Union Boss might have the chops for the job but as I began to see the falacy of the trickle down system, I did not vote for him again.

I voted for Clinton who went on to do something terrible when he signed off on the end of Glass/Speagal.

My point is that Eisenhower can't be compared to presidents that took part in the demise of our economy. All else aside about him, he did warn us of the great danger within, which is the Military Industrial Complex that exists not for defense, but for eternal war.

Michael Thompson-

Great column!!!

Two Dos XX for you.

Salud

@Michael Thompson,Charlotte, N.C. #4: You are absolutely correct. Ike's 2ed term was an economic nightmare. One real problem occurred when He gave in to republican cohorts demands to balance the budget above all other things. By the time of the JFK election in 1960 many industrialized cities in the northeast and midwest were serving the unemployed and their families with "Soup Kitchens". Thank you for your most accurate post. Regards

I think you are right, Michael. The right has a picture in its mind and isn't going to let the actual facts get in the way. Problem is that that picture is wrong most of the time and even if it wasn't wrong, you just can't go back. Thanks for sharing this information.

Mr. Thompson, you hit the nail right on the head.

The Greedy Obstructionist Party are masters of propaganda, of promoting that they are the only ones who are patriotic, how they are the "Defenders of America!" and most importantly, misleading and obfuscating the populace on how they only want to lower their taxes!

Here are a few other things to consider:

The Greedy Obstructionist Party loves to sling the term "Liberal" around as if it were a bad thing. Oh my, the terrible, horrible Liberals are going to come and regulate you into the ground, raise your taxes and weaken your country! Eek, the sky is falling!

What they don't seem to know or care is, what the term actually means:

1) Favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

2) Advocating measures of progressive political reform.

3) Favorable to concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.

4) Favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression.

They clearly do not realize that to be a "Liberal" means that one has the best interests of one's nation in mind, apart from those who wish a "return to the past, those who wish for regression or return to previous conditions, and opposition to innovation, advancement, and progressive policy"?

The Greedy Obstructionist Party doesn't want anything but a class of the wealthy who can buy their offices for them, and to make the rest of us poor, disenfranchised, unable to effect change, and incapable of standing up against the moneyed wealthy. They want a return to the early 19th Century, when only the wealthy could do everything and anything. They are today's "Robber Barons" All they want is a Plutocracy.

When you have to break your back from sunup to sundown, you have no time whatsoever to do anything except worry about feeding your family. You can't protest them, you can't group together to vote them out of office. You're powerless... Alexis de Tocqueville said it best: "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." And if an entire class of people have no extra money at all to buy things other than the barest necessities, that impacts the economy far more than one billionaire buying or not buying a new yacht or jet.

Over the last 30 years, we have seen an immense shift of wealth from the middle class to the top few. One fact: take the ratio of the richest in America compared to the average of the middle class and you find that the wealthy have over 25 times more wealth than do the average of the middle class. They are 2,500% wealthier than they were in 1980. The middle class has remained stagnant. This is what the Greed Only Party does. They do not realize or care that the economic engine of this nation is, was, and always will be the Middle Class. The periods in history where the economy of the United States was at its strongest, were all the ones where the Middle Class was at its zenith of strength and eoncomif security.

For the third consecutive year, the rich got richer. In the 24th annual edition of The Forbes 400, the collective net worth of the nation's wealthiest climbed $125 billion, to $1.13 trillion. All but 26 people on that roster are billionaires. Surging real estate and oil prices drove up several fortunes and helped pave the way for 33 new names on the list.

Some other things to consider...

These are examples of political manipulation, as applied by a certain political ideology:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -

Certain political groups tend to make constant use of patriotic mottoes, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. To oppose the political power that utilizes these symbols is to be labeled subversive, unpatriotic, and treasonous.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -

Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -

The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military -

Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda i s neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism -

Governments consisting of certain political groups tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under these types of governments, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy to strip the civil rights of homosexuals. Reproductive choice, female pay-equality, women's rights, and other issues important to women are frequently opposed, such as abortion in the case of rape or incest.

6. Controlled Mass Media -

Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very common. Media outlets controlled by these certain groups are often misleading in their publications or broadcasts, with a slant that is intentionally designed to propagandize and manipulate the population

7. Obsession with National Security -

Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -

Governments in nations led by these certain ideologies tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. They make claims such as "We're religious, we support prayer! The other guys want to tell you that you can't pray."

9. Corporate Power is Protected -

The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. Taxes for corporations are frequently reduced or in some cases eliminated, and corporations are often granted rights that individual citizens were intended to enjoy. In other cases, the right of Eminent Domain is abused, disguised as being intended for the "public good"

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -

Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -

Nations dominated by certain political ideologies tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -

Under the leadership of certain political ideologies, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in these nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -

Certain political ideologies that are in power, almost always consist of groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections -

Sometimes elections are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even media assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Certain political ideologies also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Any of this sound familiar?

All fourteen of these are examples of the principles of Fascist governments.

Note the eerie similarity to the principles of the Greedy Obstructionist Party:

One last thought:

The GOP only wants to do one thing: Divide us ideologically by creating a target on which to blame all problems: The other party. They use hateful labels designed to make you believe the Democrats are bad. They attack from behind the shield of patriotism, they have no empathy for the common man, and they state that the desire to see that everyone has a chance is labeled "welfare mob mentality".

The GOP is only interested telling you who is to blame for your problems, and making you afraid of those problems. That’s how they win elections. They gather together a group of middle-aged, middle-class, middle-income voters who remember with longing an easier time, or they pander to the uneducated, hard-working lower classes, and they talk to them about family, morality, and American values. They don’t offer any real solutions, because they don’t have any to offer. They say whatever they think their audience wants to hear, so that they can garner a little bit of local support. They make comments designed to take advantage of groupthink, mob mentality, and social proof, to manipulate elections. They badmouth the other guy. They say that he's "destroying America" without giving ANY evidence or examples of it whatsoever, and they manipulate the facts to suit whatever it is that they're saying at the moment. They tell half-truths, they spread rumours, and they try to convince the population that they're just a regular guy, when none of them know what it is like to walk into a grocery store knowing that they cannot spend more than $50, else they wouldn't be able to pay their electric bill.

That, my fellow citizens, is what the GOP wants to do to you. Bribe you with your own money, separate you from one another by blaming someone else for your problems that they created, and disempower you by making you irrelevant. You think that they care a bit about who gets a tax break, if that person can’t donate to their campaign coffers? They’re making a POLITICAL issue out of NOT giving a tax break to AVERAGE CITIZENS. Who do you think will suffer if they get their way? Certainly not the fat cats who wouldn’t miss that little cut. If you honestly believe that your fellow citizens don’t deserve your help, then you are living in the wrong country.

Michael Thompson, Charlotte, NC

He inherited 14% unemployment following Jimmy Carter and it was under 4% by 1981.

I agree with you on every thing except this one point on unemployment. Regan Inherited an unemployment rate of 7.1. It went up to 9.7 and then retreated to 5.5 by the time he left office.

The reason for the improved economy was not his tax cuts, it was the increased defense spending. He went wild spending money on every thing from star wars space defense to reactivating old battle ships; one of which I served on, and had been deactivated in 1958. The only problem with his spending was; he didn't pay for anything and it ballooned the national debt. The Regan era mismanagement can be directly attributed to today's national financial problems. I don't know why no one will call the right on this when they start crowing about Ronald Regan. His name was mentioned no less that 100 times during the republican debates.

It would be one thing if they had serious doubts about Susan Rice's qualifications, they would be doing their job to oppose her, but given the fact she has more experience and more success than Condi Rice, when she was confirmed as Bush's Secretary of State, it's pretty obvious they are just trying to be jerks.

No matter who you are, Republican or Democrat, we didn't send people to Congress, just to be jerks. I don't understand why Republicans have decided to destroy their Party, on purpose.

No, not jerks. Wouldn't it be prudent to find out what Patraeus has to say regarding Benghazi?

Jerks and naybobs, the totas. The article is about their blocking Rice. Not about Patreus.

Amy which is worse misatating about an attack on Benghazi or as National Security Advisor ignoring the warnings of an AlQueda attack on the us? Me I'll take a misstatement like Suasan RIce rather than incomeptance like Condi Rice.

I hope they amend the filibuster rules and make the GOP actually HAVE THE FILIBUSTER. I'd like to see them go on and on for hours with nothing to say. And broadcast it on C-Span and possibly the media would take notice.

The Obama administration requested $300 million more for additional security at our embassies, and the House GOP roundly rejected the request. That's the true shame behind Benghazi. Now they dare castigate Susan Rice??

Begin now to educate families & friends about the critical importance of voting in primaries, when who gets to run for office is determined. So long as we leave primaries to the most ideologically rigid among us, Congress will reflect ourselves, a nation bitterly divided even by lifestyle.

Mr. Dangerfield is at best inaccurate when he says an opposition party is necessary to our process. That's true in a parliamentary setting, as in England, where obstruction works to keep the party in power in check. IT DOES NOT WORK in our own system, which requires compromise, the essence of democracy, for the nation to move at all.

McCain has never recovered from losing in 2008--he says Rice is "not too bright," but his running mate of choice?? --Palin! A Rhodes scholar vs. a gal who needed 5 schools and who knows how many years just to get a bachelor's degree, and still thinks Paul Revere made his midnight ride to warn the English--

As someone else commented here, Lindsey Graham is creepily always trying to come off as the little mom at the church supper, while oxymoronically spouting the most obscenely hateful rhetoric.

In 2014, we vote all obstructionism out for good.

P.S. Message to Caesar: "How I wish/ that for just one day,/ you could stand/ inside my shoes. You'd know/ what a drag it is/ to see you!" --Bob Dylan

If I have it right, Harry Reid IS going to modify the filibuster rule in the Senate, and this time he will have the majority to do it. If only The House would change THEIR rules, and actually WORK for more than 2 weeks a month!! But then, "ol' Boner"would actually have to DO something, other than stand in front of T.V. cameras, and critisize the Democrats, the President, the S.O.S., and anyone else he did'nt like, and/or agree with!!

If the filibuster is modified in any way it should reflect the way that the fake filibuster has been employed and abused to great excess by the Republicans. Democrats need to keep score. A fake filibuster should only be able to delay a vote for a week at most.

Not healthy or patriotic? Here's what Hillary Clinton once said about that: "I am sick and tired of people who call you unpatriotic if you debate this administration’s policies. We are Americans and have the right to participate and debate any administration." Now do you expect us conservatives to just roll over and drink the KoolAid because Obama squeaked by with a victory? Forget it.

Curt -

Now do you expect us conservatives to just roll over and drink the KoolAid because Obama squeaked by with a victory?

Wow - usually you Republicans wait at least a little while before you try and rewrite history. It was not a 'squeak', it was an electoral a$$-kicking.

There were nine 'battleground' states and Pres. Obama won eight of them - and John Kerry got more votes in 2004 than Romney got in 2012.

Debating policies is different than saying the president wasn't legitimately re-elected. If today's conservatives could actually win by discussing policy they wouldn't have to distract with conspiracy theories.

Note: I do actually believe moderate conservatives could win by debating policy...but the party is currently too extreme and there aren't many moderates left.

Hamster - your state that the republican party is too extreme. How so? What specific platform items are too extreme.

I hear people on the left say all the time that republicans are too far right wing but never provide what specifically they think is so extreme.

@Tnsevol#6.2: Actually good friend there were 9 designated battleground states and the President ran the table on 'em. Wi., Iowa, Co., NV., OH., Va., N.H., Mi., and Fl. From the beginning N.C. was thought to be safely GOP. Later It began leaning back and forth, and while some called it a "toss up" it probably never really was. Best regards

Wm-If Sean Hannity is already running stories about election fraud, then you know that a significant segment of the Right Wing is going to pretend/argue that the president's re-election was not legitimate.

That's a lose,lose for Republicans. The only verified cases of election fraud in this election were by Republicans. That doesn't even count their appalling voter suppression efforts in Ohio,Florida,etc. And the still developing scandal in Arizona.All in Republican dominated states. I'd say to Hannity,go ahead bring it on,make my day.

Today, I heard John McCain say Susan Rice was unintelligent, for not recognizing that the attack on the Libyan embassy was not the same kind of protest we saw all across the globe, in response to the movie defaming the Muslim's Prophet.

Somehow, Susan Rice was supposed to go against the intelligence provided to her by the CIA and declare the attacks had nothing in common with the outrage expressed in Eygpt, Yemen, Austalia, etc. I guess McCain thinks comments made on a Sunday talk show are the best way to judge a future Secretary of State. Maybe because McCain is so good at bloviating on those shows.

Shame on you McCain. Shame on you. Shame on you. Shame on you.

Amy, I agree .... shame on you John McCain! What is with all of the foreign policy "armchair quarterbacks?" Even their adored Condi Rice told them all to shut up and let the information come to light through the proper channels.

You can't make them do a REAL filibuster until you take away their Unconstitutional right to use the FAKE filibuster.

Paul, which article, amendment or clause of the constitution addresses filibuster? Since you won't be able to answer this because filibuster is not addressed in the constitution, how can it be unconstitutional? Which article, amendment or clause does it violate?

Bookem' Danno...congratulations on making Paul's point for him. According to the right (which, judging by your posts, you belong to), if it isn't in the Constitution, it must be unconstitutional. Silly argument, but it's the right's, not mine.

In any event, the current "filibuster" as practiced by the Republicans could more appropriately be called tyranny by the minority.

FAKE filibuster, Danno. I have no constitutional problem with the REAL filibuster. Try reading for comprehension.

The Constitutionally mandated "majority" in the Senate is 50 votes -- or 51 if the VP is called in to break a tie.

I could be argued that the standing filibuster that the GOP now has in place raises the "majority" to the 60 votes required for cloture.

That's a pretty radical change in our governance. It almost insures gridlock and is a de facto violation of the Constitution.

John McCain chose Sarah Palin for god sakes. How smart was that. Sure glad he didn't get elected.

Of all the words to employ, "standing", was the worst choice you could have made. We are trying to get people to understand that when the media says that the Republicans "filibustered" a bill, that they are telling the people a LIE. No one "stands" during a fake filibuster. The FAKE filibuster is used by the minority of 41 to keep the majority of 59 Senators from ever getting to vote on a bill which has the majority support. That is not just undemocratic or unrepublican, it is unconstitutional and UnAmerican.

A real filibuster can only delay a majority win on a vote. The fake filibuster lets the minority of 41 defeat the bill, forever. That is just plain wrong. No fake filibuster should last longer than the longest REAL filibuster.

LWNJ, I would consider my self a conservative, yes.

Paul does not have a point because the constitution does not address filibuster. I asked what specifically in the senate rules are unconstitutional and against what article, amendment or clause. If he cannot answer what makes the current filibuster rules (long ago adopted by the Senate) unconstitutional, why would he state is it uncostitutional. Just because you feel it is, doesn't make it so.

Is it not good that the minority has a voice/say? Without the minority having a say (as is the way of our Republic), we would have never had a single state allow gay marriage, allow blacks and whites to be in the same school, so on and so forth. You think it is a tyranny because you disagree with the other side and are not willing to listen.

Imvalid argument - or are you saying that anything that is not specifically mentioned in the Constitution is, by inference, constitutional? In any event, the current use of the filibuster by the Republican Party is, if not unconstitutional, undemocratic. Allowing a minority to control the Senate is asinine; using that reasoning, that means that anybody that has at least 41 people to stand with them can prevent the chamber from actually performing their CONSTITUTIONAL function. Having a voice is one thing, holding the country hostage is another. Perhaps you need to look up "representational government". If you feel this is the right way to govern, I suppose you feel that it will be OK if no laws are ever passed, or bills paid, simply because a minority that has at least 41 seats wants to put ideology above country. Well, won't that be terrific.

If Democrats were to do the same thing, I can guarantee that the right would be stomping their feet and throwing tantrums.

WTF is wrong with you people? STOP USING the word STAND when you are talking about the FAKE filibuster. Nobody is "standing" during a fake filibuster. Nobody is "standing" with anybody during a fake filibuster. Use a different phrase. Stop stepping in their TRAP.

The minority has a voice, it is suppose to be used in a REAL filibuster, where they SPEAK about the bill that they think should be defeated. The FAKE filibuster is a SILENT vote by the 41 Senator minority to disallow discussion or a vote on a bill. If the minority wants to use its voice, it needs to speak on the issue and try to change peoples' minds. After a cloture vote they get another 30 hours of DEBATE on the subject, that again is whgere they get to use their minority voice.

You are trying to not understand this Danno.

I think it is slightly possible that you read "stand" and take it literally. "Stand" has many meanings, only one of which is to get on one's feet and assume an erect posture.

Look, we are on the same side here. No sh!t "stand" has many meanings. That is exactly why it is the WRONG word to use when discussing the FAKE filibuster. It confuses the people who don't realize that a Fake filibuster is different from a real filibuster. If they can't keep that straight, your use of the wrong word for the subject will let them continue to believe that someone is "standing" with anyone during a fake filibuster which is misreported as a "filibuster" by the media and you.

No, LWNJ, it is not an invalid argument. In order to state that something is unconstitutional, you must tell what part of the constitution is being violated.

How did you feel about the filibuster in 2000 - 2006? I wonder if you thought it was undemocratic the way democrats used it?

Now, I agree with your premise that the current rules regarding filibuster are bad. At the same time, the minority should have a voice and not be bowled over by the majority, would you agree?

Why do you keep refering to it as the filibuster when we are not talking about the filibuster, we are discussing the FAKE filibuster? Are you dense?

The democrats didn't use the filibuster between 2000 and 2006, the used the Rule 22 FAKE filibuster.

Use of the FAKE filibuster is wrong and UNconstitutional no matter who is using it. The fake filibuster never should have been allowed to be a rule of the Senate.

Bookem: Rules of the Senate.

Rule 22
The filibuster is related to "cloture," a rule adopted almost 100 years ago requiring a two-thirds vote. At times this was two-thirds of those voting; for a limited time, it was two-thirds of membership.

In 1975, the Senate reduced the number of votes needed to invoke cloture to three-fifths (60) of Senate membership. At the same time, they made the filibuster "invisible" by requiring only that 41 Senators state that they intend to filibuster; critics say this makes the modern filibuster "painless."

"painless" for the minority because they don't have to stand up and speak "endlessly", and painless for the majority because they aren't required to be in attendance or on property for any quorum calls. That is why it is FAKE. No one has any reason to think about changing their vote and breaking the 41-59 stalemate because the bill gets shelved and everyone gets to go home, or fake filibuster the next bill and then go home. During a REAL filibuster no one gets to go back to their house or district, and no other Senate business may take place even after a cloture vote to end the real filibuster they must then have 30 hours of DEBATE on the bill. This is not the case with the FAKE filibuster.

BookemDanno: I'm an attorney, The secret filibuster requiring 60 rather than 51 votes to invoke cloture is a clear violation of a very significant part of the Constitution called DUE PROCESS.

The filibuster should no more be done in secret than witnesses against a defendant in a criminal trial should appear in secret rather than in person before the defendant.

You have the right to confront your accuser-- I assume you agree with that principle???

I'm with you on this, Paul--110%.

It is time to vote out long term GOP politicians like McCain, Graham, McConnell for starters.

When they start to dwell on issues that they are accessory to, like not approving budgets to increase security in our embassies and consulates, then try to witch hunt for the person to blame, it is time for them to go. They are no longer serving the true interest of the american people.

If they do not like the $300M budget, they could at least reduce it to compromise.

It is time to have term limits so we can have fresh ideas, get rid of in-effective politicians who overtime gets so comfortable with their position, they fail to realize their true job of governing for the best interest of the American people.

Considering how we were led astray by statements from the Bush administration regarding Iraq and WMDs, Graham's criticism of Susan Rice is completely ironic.

"She is so disconnected from reality" sounds to me like that is based precisely on her statements after Benghazi.

"Disconnected from reality" would be a majority of GOP lawmakers (and voters).

"She is so disconnected from reality that I don’t trust her," Graham said.

If she were that disconnected from reality she would have her own show on Fox News, or be the next Pres./VP candidate for the Republican party.

It astounds me that the people on the batsh!t right wing keep asking, disingenuously about Benghazi as if they ever expect to hear the truth about what the CIA was doing there while our diplomatic footprint was so small. Do they really expect us to admit that State department functions are largely cover for CIA stations?

McCain and Graham are really not very smart people.

Pretty sure Mr. Graham is "PROJECTING" his own BS onto Ms. Rice. Hope the Repubs don't get too sunburned while they wander in the political desert.

Relevancy will be quite difficult for them to achieve.

Sore loser is more like it!

It is safe to assume Mr. Graham is in the Anger stage of grief. Soon enough he'll start bargaining. Can't WAIT for him to get to ACCEPTANCE!

WAAAAA! We lost the election and we're going to throw tantrums for four more years! WAAAA!

By the way, when do you think the Republican leaders in Congress should be indicted? They got the same information as Obama. Or maybe you think they are out to get you, too.

Talktothehand... You sound exactly like you did before the disastrously effemenate showing by the Republican party in the last election... I thought all chimps were trainable to a degree, but I guess they do need to be shown over and over before they really "get it".

I'll be watching the bookstands for your upcoming epic "Clinging to Bengazi".

Barack Hussein Obama is once again President of a grateful nation (the rest being ingrates) and your life will improve no matter how hard you try to keep from it.

Talk to the Hand: You do realize the Obama administration asked for $300 million in additional security for our embassies and your teabaggin' House rejected the request? That's the true shame of Banghazi.

Try researching your material before you spout off.

Hey Dee you do realize that the vote was 149 Dems and 147 GOP right? And reseaorch? Really? Practice what you preach. You seem to have overlooked that pesky little vote count detail in yours.

Aren't there 435 Reps in the house of Reps? Your numbers seem to be banged up.

Thank you for the link, Michael. I was wondering if someone would post exactly what Susan Rice said, that makes McCain and Graham think she is unintelligent and untrustworthy:

We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to -- or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo. And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons, weapons that as you know in -- in the wake of the revolution in Libya are -- are quite common and accessible. And it then evolved from there.

We'll wait to see exactly what the investigation finally confirms, but that's the best information we have at present.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-us-ambassador-united-nations-susan-rice/story?id=17240933#.UH7e22k-sww

I don't for a minute believe that Johnny and Lindsay think Ms Rice is unintelligent or untrustworthy. I think they are Republicans so it is therefore in their nature to project fears regarding themselves onto others and to discount a woman first unless of course you think you might elevate yourself by using her.

Pretty standard really. Dusty old Fops in their death throes.

Me either Sandy. Once we get two more years of the Obama "dream" maybe even you liberals will see that you put your trust in an inept "leader" (and I use the term loosely) as you lose the Senate as well as what little you may have gained in the House this time.

Inept compared to who? Bush? Lose the Senate, we just gained seats and threw out some of you crazy teabaggers. Quit watching Faux Noise. They are continually proven wrong on everything they say the election, Iraq...

Once we get two more years of the Obama "dream" maybe even you liberals will see that you put your trust in an inept "leader"

I dunno. Bush had you fooled for 8 years, after all. You probably still think he was a "leader."

Wow... Squawkthroughthehand is throwing down some pretty radical prediction work there!!! Everybody getting that? I guess a couple more years of steady improvement and the further crumbling of tea-sales in America is going to turn the tide back to... The evangelicals that spray-paint themselves attempting to fool the natives and still can't muster up a majority of anything anymore.

Live the dream ttth... live the dream.

She was doing exactly what Obama told her to do.

Or in other words, her job.

Susan Rice would be the best person for the job. With her credentials of being a U.N. Ambassador she will have connections at the U.N. that will give America better footing when dealing with foreign relations.

Its also good to have someone as the SoS who tell the president what is going on from personal experience so that situations can be dealt with in a more timely manner.

Having Susan Rice as the SoS could also ease tensions in the Middle East for the simple fact that she will have a better understanding of what takes place at the U.N.

The GOP needs to back off or they are going to get dumped upon by America again.

America is moving away from the "White Right is Right." to a government that is intelligent and thinks and conducts itself based upon sensibility and not its emotions.

The only reason that the GOP doesn't like Rice is because she is a woman. Her credentials more than fit the billet for her position.

It seems like the GOP hasn't lost step with its blame everything on President Obama when we all know the problems started with the last GOP administrations time in office.

If the GOP wants to continue to play the blame game because thats all they can do then America will continue to play the hammer game and will play Whack-A-Mole with them every time they spout off.

If anybody was wrong about Benghazi it was the Teabaggers in the House who flatly rejected the administration's request for $300 million worth of extra security for our embassies!

No. They do not! They FAKE Filibuster "everything". Stop writing their falsehoods for them. You become part of the problem by doing so.

Real or fake they are fullibusters just the same. Why can't the majority change the rules to stop that kind of stupid stuff?

Just the same? Are you people stupid? They aren't even close to being the same thing.

No one should want to be rid of the REAL filibuster, it is an honorable tool of the minority in the Senate to try to change public opinion on a bill that they think is bad legislation. A REAL filibuster can only temporarily delay a simple majority vote from winning passage of a bill.

The Fake filibuster is dishonorable. It allows the minority of 41 Senators to stop a bill which has 59 senators supporting it from EVER getting to vote on the bill. That is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

A FAKE filibuster allows the MINORITY of 41 to stop a bill from coming up for a simple majority vote forever. A delay is one thing, forever is giving too much power to the minority.

The FAKE filibuster has nothing in common with the real filibuster, except that you dimwits are fooled by the name.

I don't care what color she is, she has no reputation to be able to deal with other countries honestly after she lied about Benghazi at the request of the Obama administration.

She stated what information she was told was true by Petraeus' CIA. The CIA was spreading a cover story while they tried to mop up their mess in Benghazi. If you believe in our National security, you have to understand that the CIA LIES and enlists others to LIE for them, in order to fix what they can of their mistakes. Prove to anyone with more than half a brain, that Susan Rice knew that what she reported was untrue, and I'll believe you're not a closet racist.

Tammy: What Susan Rice said is a little above your own post--find it, read it, then come back and apologize. She spoke correctly and true.

You, on the other side, are one obviously responsible for the House GOP's rejection of the administration's prior request for $300 million in extra security for our embassies. I think blood is on the hand you vote with, lady.

Bill Kamps: You're right, but if you read her words, what she actually said was TRUE.

If your so sick of "Bang-pop-burp" then why did you even post here? Turn the t.v. off and mind your business. You'll feel better.

WTF? You're happy with how Congress acts? You must be Canadian?

Actually, I don't think it's McCain that has Alzheimer's, it's Biden.