FBI agent who started the investigation that uncovered the affair between CIA Director David Petraeus and Paula Broadwell had apparently sent a shirtless photos to Jill Kelley

What is UP with these creepy dudes sending unsolicited semi-nude pics to women?

Do you guys really believe this is a effective way to "charm" the ladies? lol

Looks like the Wicked Witch of the West might be warming up the broom for one final trip back to SF after her House Dems dismal performance in the 2012 election. There are rumors that major babisina Debbie W-S might challenge Steny Hoyer for the House Minority Leader position. THAT would be a great cat-fight!!!

BTW, I’m looking forward to many laffs now that mega-moron Alan Grayson is back in the House.

LMAO!!!!

From Politico:

Pelosi to meet with top House Dems
By: John Bresnahan
November 12, 2012 08:15 PM EST

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi will meet with top Democrats on Tuesday night — followed by another leadership-only session early Wednesday as she prepares for a meeting with all House Democrats — but it is still unclear whether she will stay or go after nearly a decade in power.

Pelosi has declined to discuss her plans since Democrats picked up as many as eight seats on Election Day. During an interview Sunday with San Francisco-based reporters on Sunday, Pelosi wasn’t giving anything away.

“When I see my caucus, I will discuss it with them in the beginning of this week rather than discuss it with rumor in Washington,” Pelosi told the reporters. “I will make that announcement to my caucus. I know that we’re best friends and all, but I think that I will share that with them first.”

Another day of Sex Lies, & G-mail; ughhhhh

Q:Why did Cantor not immediately inform Sen Feinstein & the President when he learned of the Petraeus scandal?

Fiesty, most men are linear thinkers. If a woman sent us a half nude photo chances are most straight men might be interested in responding. So a lot of straight men make the assumption that women are as interested in seeing half-nude men as we are in seeing half-nude women and will therefore respond.

Most of us also don't see the real reflection in the mirror.

Mourning In America

Hopes smashed, the awful truth is finally revealed.

Crying...

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Mitt Romney lost nearly 593 Facebook friends between 10:00 a.m. and 11:00 a.m. on Friday morning. The losses are happening so quickly, the drop in numbers can actually be watched. A click can launch a friendship as well as end one.

The last message on Romney's Facebook page is a picture of him waving goodbye at the time of his concession speech
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Yes Buh bye

Everything of Mitt Romney must go merchandise sale.

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Peacefully grant the State of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-louisiana-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/1wrvtngl

As unilateral secession was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, it remains to be seen if this movement is more than a toothless temper tantrum thrown by armchair revolutionaries

We the People’ Petitions Filed in Nineteen States Seeking Permission to Secede from the UPDATE:

Similar petitions from Alabama, Tennessee, and, interestingly, Oregon, are also gaining traction, with each receiving thousands of supporters over the weekend alone.

Other states in which residents have expressed an interest in going their own way include Kentucky, Montana, North Dakota, Mississippi, North Carolina, Florida, Georgia, New York, New Jersey, Colorado, Arkansas, South Carolina, and Missouri.

http://gawker.com/5959719/we-the-people-petitions-filed-in-nineteen-states-seeking-permission-to-secede-from-the-union

Petition for Recount on the 2012 Presidential Election
74,044 Letters and Emails Sent So Far

http://www.petition2congress.com/8222/petition-recount-on-2012-presidential-election/

Sour Losers
:'( Grow UP

Lean>>>Forward

What a sorry sight it is to see David Frum going after the GOP entertainers on tv and radio. He is as responsible for the Republican losses as anybody.

Barack Obama didn’t win in 2008 because of Rush Limbaugh. Barack Obama won because the nation didn’t trust the Republican Party to runthe Nation. And the nation still doesn’t trust the Republican Party. Nor should we. Which is why President Obama was re-elected.

And 85% of the reason why is because of what Frum himself was selling during the Bush Administration. And please keep in mind as Frum and his pals go after Fox News, that it was the Bush Administration who exploited Fox News in order to sell a war to the nation.

And when GWB was leaving the White House, it was Rush Limbaugh who was one of GWB’s last guests at the White House. A sort of “thanks for everything” invitation.

The Reinvention of David Frum, by Justin Raimondo, August 17, 2012

David "Axis of Evil" Frum first gained notoriety as one of George W. Bush’s more polemical speechwriters. During the run-up to the Iraq war, he was all over the media, agitating for the invasion and viciously denouncing anyone who questioned the wisdom of such a course. In an infamous article for National Review, entitled "Unpatriotic Conservatives," he attacked those conservatives and libertarians who
counseled caution, smearing Robert Novak, Pat Buchanan, Llewellyn Rockwell, Samuel Francis, Thomas Fleming, Scott McConnell, Joe Sobran, Charley Reese, Jude Wanniski, Eric Margolis, Taki Theodoracopulos, and myself as, variously,"defeatist," "conspiracy theorists," and"anti-Semitic."

Here is Frum, in March of 2003:

"They have made common cause with the left-wing and Islamist antiwar movements in this country and in Europe. They deny and excuse terror. They espouse a potentially self-fulfilling defeatism. They publicize
wild conspiracy theories. And some of them explicitly yearn for the victory of their nation’s enemies."

Frum went on for at least three thousand words, attacking his enemies as traitors and terrorist-sympathizers. It was all lies, of course, and I answered them here. Yet now we see Frum has reinvented himself as a "moderate" Republican, and has carved out a new career for himself as the kind of conservative who gets invited on NPR and CNN to snark at his former comrades. In a recent interview with Politico, he was asked: "What do you know now that you wish someone had told you 10 years ago?" His answer:

"That the Iraq War would be a disaster. Come to think of it, they did tell me."

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/08/16/the-reinvention-of-david-frum/

Beverly in Chicago

Q:Why did Cantor not immediately inform Sen Feinstein & the President when he learned of the Petraeus scandal?

You can bet NoJo isnt asking that question...lol

President Obama. Please tear up the resignation of General Petraeus and send him back to work as CIA Director. This "so called scandal" is nothing but a waste of a good mans reputation. He has the capability to carry out his responsibilities like no one else. Getting mixed up with some fossy doesn't disqualify him. Even the FBI dropped the investigation.

Hire him back Mr. President.

Interesting how this Petraeus affair is unfolding.

I read yesterday that evidently Chuck Todd started his program yesterday morning this way:

What did the President know and when did he know it?

Sure. Let's pin this on President Obama. Why not? It's not like the republicans have anything better to do. They're walking around in a daze right now, throwing whatever they can against the wall hoping it will stick and then - this happens.

Petraeus had an affair. So what. The cast of characters is amusing, quite arrogant, lots of jealousy and not very secretive. Nothing new.

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I hate to see Senator John Kerry go, but he's been a U.S. Senator for a long time and if he wants to move on to be part of the Obama cabinet, then I wish him well. He deserves it.

Quickly. Get Ken Starr on this, so that he can leak all of the salicious details of the emails and the affairs.

The public needs to know.

First Read pegged the Petreaus sex scandal exactly right. It is like a soap opera episode. Heard last night that the FBI "friend" of Kelly doesn't like President Obama and wanted the story to break before the election. Maybe Darryl Issa should hold a hearing on why Eric Cantor knew of the Petreaus triangular mess two weeks before President Obama did. If the right can talk nonstop conspiracy theories, here's one for them to mull over: did the FBI guy in FL who doesn't like President Obama or democrats, tip off Eric Cantor in the hopes he could get the Petreaus story out before Nov 6 and hopefully it would turn the election in Romney's favor?

If there weren't so many serious issues to be solved, one could enjoy watching the soap opera sex scandal coming from "family values" crowd.

Hi Pat:

I am firmly convinced that Chuck Todd is a leaning Republican. His early mentor worked for President Ford and Chuck still follows his mentor.

Most of us also don't see the real reflection in the mirror.

LOL Matthew!

I'm not adverse to a little *eye candy* just as long as I request it... ;o)

Ron Indiana

What Civil War?

There are no elected leaders among the conservatives, only self-appointed leaders like Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Hannity, and Grover Norquist. All of whom created the illusion that Romney would win.

Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Hannity, and Grover Norquist, FOX NEWS and its viewers live in a parallel universe. Nothing that is real exists in the alternate universe; but that's what the FOX NATION gets; nothing!!!

But there's always Sarah Palin.

Does America Deserve Sarah Palin Again?

Speaking exclusively to Fox News from her Wasilla, AK home, Palin said there was no time to waste in replacing the newly reelected Barack Obama:

"Barack Obama's second term is going to be a bigger disaster than the first," she said in an interview to Fox's Sean Hannity,"We need to prepare our nation for the post-Obama era of prosperity."

"The next election is only two years away. That's only 420 days. And when that day comes, I intend to be the Republican presidential nominee in 2014. "

There's only one problem. Unbeknownst to Palin, U.S. presidents are elected to four-year terms. The next presidential election will be in 2016.

http://dailycurrant.com/2012/11/09/palin-announces-2014-presidential-run/

Tell me this an Onion Story.

Excellent post Ron

Petraeus had an affair. So what. The cast of characters is amusing, quite arrogant, lots of jealousy and not very secretive. Nothing new.

Pat,

I've been wondering the very same thing?

Talk about a NONTROVERSY!

The MSM has been running around with their follicles on fire, I still haven't figured out WHY?

Ron, Chuck Todd is the first one on MSNBC to take whatever the right makes up and goes with it.

Rarely does it amount to anything. I don't know if he's a Democrat or Republican. I just know he's changed a lot over the years. Not for the better.

And he was one who was buying into the republican nonsense about the election being super duper close weeks before Election Day.

We weren't buying it, yet of course, democrats have no voice when it comes to Chuck. He always always prefers to believe the Republicans are telling the truth.

Feisty, it's a stupid inside the beltway story. The "whistleblower" was just a republican hack who wanted to hurt the president's re-election from happening.

I love it when I wake up in the morning and Barack Obama is our President!

What is UP with these creepy dudes sending unsolicited semi-nude pics to women?

Do you guys really believe this is a effective way to "charm" the ladies? lol

My friend sends them to his ex-girlfriend every time he drinks too much. It's really quite embarrassing, as a man.

Ron:

Enjoyed your post, but I think you make an error when you speak about conservatives and/or moderates in the Republican Party. Yesterday, Michael Steele, who twists and spins mightily to defend the GOP, said Republicans must define a conservative. The fact is, Noah Webster has already done a fine job of defining a conservative, and there are precious few of them in the Republican Party. If there are any moderates in the party, they are hiding.

The GOP is a ragtag collection of single-issue groups. Period. These people are so extreme they fall outside even the wildest definition of conservative. In their world, pro-life means you support the death penalty. In their world, religious freedom means you are free to espouse their religion and no other. In their world, a slowly improving economy is a failed economy. Again and again, we see these people are completely disconnected from reality. There is no single group that wields power enough to move the GOP, but their collective power has moved the party to the extreme right.

Indeed, the truth is that President Obama has taken any number of conservative positions. Any number of conservative views are held by "lefties", "libbies", and Democrats. (See Noah Webster's definition.) It is suicidal for those of us with the ability to reason and think critically to allow extremists to define us. It really is possible to hold views that are conservative and to hold views that can be defined as liberal. It really is possible to take a position that says wasting money is wrong, while holding a position that says invading a woman's body against her will is also wrong.

The GOP stands at the brink of destruction. There is no point in hoping they will reform. In fact, it appears many of their "leaders" are still insisting they are sacrificing the purity of their noble positions. Let them destroy themselves. Be done with them forever.

Those of us to the left of these nuts, should make it clear there is a party that welcomes rational ideas, rational debate, and a certain knowledge that compromise is part of the real world. There's plenty of room to the left of these people, because the old political center is to the left of today's GOP. We must make it clear that reasoned dissent is not only welcome, but necessary if we are to move forward. We must welcome these people aboard a ship of state that is headed forward not backward.

I enjoyed your comments, Ron.

I confess, I am a bad, bad, person. When I read that Romney and Ryan's wives cried on election night, on learning their husbands had failed to win back America for the filthy rich, I burst out laughing. I know, not very Christian of me.

If I live to be 100, I won't see a President who embodies my values better than Barack Obama. After decades of listening to the ugly tripe from the Rush Limbaughs and Ann Coulters of this country, and seeing John Kerry swiftboated during the 2004 campaign, finally, finally, good has prevailed in American politics. If Republicans were smart, and they aren't, they will examine their own souls for why they lost this presidential election and seats in the Senate and House.

David:

I enjoyed reading your post as well.

Memo to Chuck Todd: If you want to keep viewers, try being less partisan, try not to blame President Obama for whatever floats your boat. Start your show asking why Eric Cantor knew about the Petreaus mess two weeks ago yet the White House was not informed? Try asking why Petreaus did not go to President Obama and personally inform him of the FBI investigation--that would have been the honorable thing to do instead of hoping it would all just go away. In other words, Mr. Todd, get your facts straight first before wandering off into republican "conspiracy theory-ville" where FOX News lives.

Amy:

You are not a bad person. You are human and it's OK to be human.

Jody:

Your comments regarding Chuck Todd should be at the top of the page in capital letters. Well said.

When I read that Romney and Ryan's wives cried on election night, on learning their husbands had failed to win back America for the filthy rich, I burst out laughing.

Same here Ames, right along with a "happy dance"!

The look on Queen Annie's face alone was PRICELESS!

PS: When was the last time, a candidates wife & VP selection didn't appear on stage during a concession speech?

Makes you wonder if Paulie was bawling his baby blues out as well?

Bev,

The Daily Currant is satirical news. It is just like The Onion with a different name.

And from the GOP’s side: Their starting position is that they are open to changing tax code, but not raising rates. But what they REALLY want are changes to Social Security and Medicare.

Why should the middle class be expected to make up for the cost of the war Bush lied us into, and the slimy manipulations of Wall Street with a reduction in the benefits we have already paid for??

Not just no... HELL NO!

Good questions Jody. But it's not going to work.

Like sands through the hour glass pertains to the media as well as to the inside the beltway lunatics who think power power power over marriage marriage marriage.

Put that together with ratings ratings ratings over journalism journalism journalism and it's one big circus. That we democrats ain't buying.

Wonder what possesses these people to send photos of themselves with no shirt on?

And to think. They blame everything on unions and public educations. And President Obama.

Similar petitions from Alabama, Tennessee, and, interestingly, Oregon, are also gaining traction, with each receiving thousands of supporters over the weekend alone.

Other states in which residents have expressed an interest in going their own way include Kentucky, Montana, North Dakota, Mississippi, North Carolina, Florida, Georgia, New York, New Jersey, Colorado, Arkansas, South Carolina, and Missouri.

That's hilarious! Apparently none of those genius petition signers has ever been to Europe. Wouldn't it be something if every U.S. state became a sovereign country?

A mind is a terrible thing to waste...

I figured that Fox News and the fearless GOP congressional witch hunters would figure out how to fit David Petraeus scandal into their conspiracy theory about how President Obama is plotting to destroy America. And I wasn't disappointed. The theory is that Obama was using knowledge of Petraeus' infidelity to blackmail him into not blowing the whistle on the Benghazi coverup.

That's what the Fox Noozers are going with, and that's what the GOP's witch hunter Peter King is insinuating on what will surely be one of his many appearances on CNN, which has been hyping the bogus Benghazi conspiracy theory for over a month and will no doubt use help King use the Petraeus scandal to give it new life.

Being a reader of sci-fi and fantasy fiction,I know you have to suspend disbelief to enjoy it, so I gues the Fox News viewers are suspending their disbelief in some unexplained political motive for a Benghazi coverup and that Petraeus would succumb to blackmail to keep quiet about it -- especially now that his scandal is out in the open. If he were being blackmailed, he'd have nothing to lose by publicly accusing the administration of blackmail, and also now blowing the whistle on the Benghazi coverup and the mysterious motives for it.

Come to think of it, I think I'll stick to sci-fi. It's way more believable. It looks like Obama is going to have a fun four more years.

Steve Benen:

Quick quiz: which country is slated to be the world's larger producer of oil in 2017? If you guessed Saudi Arabia, you're mistaken.

The United States will overtake Saudi Arabia as the world's leading oil producer by about 2017 and will become a net oil exporter by 2030, according to a new report released on Monday by the International Energy Agency.

That increased oil production, combined with new American policies to improve energy efficiency, means that the United States will become "all but self-sufficient" in meeting its energy needs in about two decades -- a "dramatic reversal of the trend" in most developed countries, the report says.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/11/13/15137576-the-worlds-top-oil-producer?lite

Ron Indiana

Hi Pat:

I am firmly convinced that Chuck Todd is a leaning Republican. His early mentor worked for President Ford and Chuck still follows his mentor.

there is a video somewhere on the web ( can't find it now) where Chuck Todd says I am a Republican.

Democratic voters are increasingly supporting Republican voters. This is largely due to the lingering impact of the financial downturn, which has been exacerbated in red states and red counties with red policies. Republicans have been enacting austerity measures at state and local levels with unprecedented downsizing of public employees during the jobs crisis. Total governmental employment is down more than half a million since President Obama took office.

Many of these workers who lost their good government jobs are unemployed or forced to take wages so low that they still qualify for food stamps. In 2010, 41 percent of those who received food aid had jobs.

Blue states tend to take better care of the poor and also take steps to prevent poverty by spending more on education.

“By nearly every measure, people who live in the blue states are healthier, wealthier, and generally better off than people in the red states,” according to The New Republic’s Jonathan Cohn.

Republican states not only benefit most from government support, their policies create the need for food stamps in the first place.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-gop-is-the-food-stamp-party/

Infidelity has no borders. It cares not what religion, political bent, gender, station in life nor economic worth of those involved. It is an equal opportunity sin, and the majority dive into the pool, most through action and some through thought.

Puh-lease

Bev,

The Daily Currant is satirical news. It is just like The Onion with a different name.

Thank you I know she's dumb therefore I put nothing past her; judging from all the dumb things she's said and done in the past.

Beverly, yes I had heard that but had forgotten about it. He said something along the lines of "we Republicans" or something like that. It used to be that being a Republican was no big deal. But what we're finding these days is that they are liars. All of them.

I always liked Chuck but have a hard time watching him these days. Some people say the president knocked him down a peg and he didn't like it early on in the Obama Admin.

The press conferences are just horrible. Everybody is itching to be Sam Donaldson. In a way it's amusing, but in reality not really.

I think it was last year when President Obama went on a foreign trip and the American press were asking him questions in front of the world. It was embarrassing to watch. The questions from our media were so high school.

Terrific as well as some fun posts from my fellow leftie libs today.

Thanks, Ron.

Pat, I know, but felt the need to remind Chuck T that we don't need another FOX News spreading falsehoods and conspiracy theories based on some alternate reality where republicans seem to live these days. One media outlet spewing lies and misinformation is one too many.

Jody, so well said about Chuck. Over the past four years he has gone from being a numbers guy to a gossipy reporter. I, too, am fed up listening to him as he cynically works at undermining the President.

This ongoing sordid saga of General Petraeus is now expanding to include the commander of the forces in Afghanistan, Marine General Allen. As more time passes, it gets weirder. General Allen is in Washington, for confirmation hearings on his nomination by the President for NATO Supreme Commander, which now have been put on hold. It is reported he sent 30k pages of emails to the other woman in this mind bending story. And the angle on Cantor is beyond troubling. The FBI fellow who told Cantor and sent half naked pics to her, should be fired.

I have to ask the question, does this happen all the time? These military fellows are lionized mostly by republicans and they act like dumb teenagers, is that because they think they are above the law.

@Bev

http://dailycurrant.com/2012/11/09/palin-announces-2014-presidential-run/

Tell me this an Onion Story.

Well I guess this Daily Currant story must be true too.

http://dailycurrant.com/2012/11/12/obama-unveils-american-flag/

The brand new American flag features a green and red color scheme, meant to symbolize Islam and Socialism, respectively. The red portion sports a Soviet hammer and sickle and six French fleur-de-lys, representing the six "important states" of California, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts, Vermont, and Hawaii.

So, let me get this right. If I don't like someone, I can go to the FBI and say I have received "harassing" emails. They will then investigate all of this persons emails, not charge them, but everyone will know they were investigated.

Last time I knew, having an affair wasn't against the law. What grounds did the FBI have for looking into Petraeus's emails, and what grounds did they have to look at Allen's. What does "inappropriate" mean. Laws were not broken in the Petraeus matter, if it comes back that no laws were broken in Allen's matter, what does that say about the FBI investigating what should be private emails?

We weren't buying it, yet of course, democrats have no voice when it comes to Chuck. He always always prefers to believe the Republicans are telling the truth.

The media hacks and talking heads are, for the most part, very well paid to do little more than stir up controversy. They seem to think it doesn't matter who wins and who loses an election just as long as that fat paycheck keeps coming. Facts and information don't much matter. And those are the moderates in media.

Then we have the absurdly well paid lunatic fringe: Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter, Rove, Norquist, Palin and all the Fox 'anchors' (who are indeed dead weight in our disingenuous media culture) who are not elected to any office but are the de facto heads of the conservative wing.

WE THE PEOPLE have just sent them a message: We're tired of your lies, your spin and your greedy self- absorbed stupidty. Quit f------ with us.

Boycott media cretins! Give them a much-needed taste of reality.

From the article above:

Folks, you can't make this up; it sounds like "Young and the Restless," "Days of Our Lives" or an absurd episode of "Real Housewives."

As usual, John Stewart's take on this scandal was priceless.

P.S. Ron and Pat, brilliant as usual.

Anyone beside me looking forward to Turkey Day?

Salud

I'm not aware of what the criticisms of Chuck Todd are about. Is he pushing the "Obama blackmailed Petraeus" conspiracy theory, too? If he is, then maybe we should all chip in to buy him a shiny new tinfoil hat.

GBM, well said; agree about Chuck T, he has become gossipy and quite full of himself to boot. Now, along with Morning Joe, The Daily Rundown no longer is turned on and listened to; not because I don't want opposing views but Joe S whines and brags, that's it; because Todd's show has become gossip not journalism, conspiracy theories and finger-pointing is not journalism--both are beneath MSNBC otherwise solid bi-partisan efforts.

The Petreaus scandal gets more messy by the hour. My guess is we have not seen the last military person resign. The FBI person in FL should be fired. Eric Cantor should be questioned and a hearing held about his involvement, what he knew, how he knew and when he knew and most of all, why he was informed but not the White House or others in Congress.

Last time I knew, having an affair wasn't against the law.

Republicans in congress would have passed a law against infidelity, but they'd all be arrested and put in jail if they had.

Yes this happens all the time. However, as I have said time and time again it is a personal matter. As long as no national security issues are involved what is the problem? Like with Clinton, Edwards name another politician I don't care and don't believe that their failing in their personal lives make them any less capable in their political lives. I do wonder if Petraus was a democrat would there be more attacks on him from the usual gang of self righteous posters?

Interesting that the some would rather deflect conspiracy theories to suggest that the sacking of Petraus is a way to steer away from Benghazi. Unfortunate that a stellar career is ended because of a personal matter. Sad to see the puratanical zeal of the "Crucible" and "Scarlett Letter" hypocrites demonize one now maybe two good generals. To think it all was brought up two women with high school type "stay away from my boyfriend antics." The funnier thing if the other, other woman was involved in her own affair why report the anonymous emails. On Petraus' part wonder why his training at counter insurgency and obfuscation couldn't keep this thing secret?

Seriously though you know it is a bizzarro world when those in power get impeached or fired, forced to resign from positions of power over affairs but are held blameless for lying about wars, WMD's, authorizing torture etc.

This scandal is good enough for Hardball's - Sideshow. It will allow the chattering class in Washington to ignore their duties of governing due to their shock and consternation.

Think I'll take up the Republican conspiracy mantle for a while. I believe this whole thing was an effort on the republicans part to try and manufacture some kind of "October Surprise" and it blew up in their faces. Seeing as all the players in this are republicans and the rabid FBI agent was contacting Eric Cantor I think it was all orchestrated by the repubs from the very beginning. What I want to know is, what did Eric Cantor know and when did HE know it! Never going to convince me that Cantor kept this all to himself.

Last time I knew, having an affair wasn't against the law.

True, but you sure as hell can end up in a very expensive court room.

Tomas, I am looking forward to Thanksgiving Day, it is coming up fast.

Yesterday, was thinking as these investigations grow stranger and as republican's various recriminations spread as they soul search to find a little salve for their losses, it will be an interesting holiday for some folks. I'd like to be a fly on the wall in a few dining rooms.

There is another shameful and damaging U.S. military scandal that ought to be given plenty of airtime: the out-of-control sexual harrassment and rape of service women and servicemen in all branches of our military, including educational institutions.

Good Morning everyone, I hope you all had a good three day holiday and are rested up and ready for the good fight.

Lot's on our plates this morning.

1. The General's ladies. I have no comment. I feel very bad for the General's wife and I believe they should be left to sort this out for themselves. Very sad situation.

2. The future of the GOP looks very limited. They will blame Sandy, the liberal media or poor Mitt Romney and reject any suggestion their political positions may have been the problem. Their denial will be reinforced by the Fox News echo chamber and the nattering nabobs of right wing hate radio. If we are ever going to heal this country and be in a position to go forward in a positive manner we've got to do something about the use of the public airwaves for political propaganda posing as "entertainment" and "news". Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.

3. The Texas Secesh: Let'em go. I've been saying this for years now. Sell them back to Mexico. Give them back free of charge and with our blessings if the Mexican government won't pay for their return. Buh-bye, adios, hasta la vista baby, don't let the door hit your butt on the way out.

Folks, I lived in Texas, Dallas to be exact, in the early 70's and it was a great place to live. The people were friendly and the culture was diverse and very colorful. But they have changed and changed for the worse and I'd be happy to see them secede. We don't need them. Of course there are good people in Texas but they can all move north before the final documents are signed. Let them go. I'll take Puerto Rico any day to replace them. Lovely people, beautiful island.

Besides, without Texas in their corner the GOP will dry up and blow away.

Well, that's all I have. I'm gonna go play my new Jazz Guitar a little bit. I was so confident about the way the election (thanks to Nate Silver) I bought my new guitar a week before election day and I may buy ANOTHER new guitar before the week is out. Happy days are indeed here again!

Amy, big smile about your reaction to the Romney, Ryan ladies. I could muster no sympathy for either Romney or Ryan or their spouses, especially Ann "you people" it's our turn Romney. I usually feel some sympathy for the losing candidate; I did for John McCain (none for Sarah Palin). Mitt and Paul lied constantly; they blew dog whistles and encouraged dog whistle blowing; they preached disdain for half the country while their policies were for the very rich. Ryan's VP acceptance speech was ripped apart as lie after lie even by FOX; Romney was equally ridiculed for being a liar. None of them deserve one bit of sympathy for losing, they earned their loss with their own actions, their own lies, their own disdain for the less fortunate among us, their arrogance--they deserved to lose.

Tomas, yes, I am also looking forward to Thanksgiving.

Senator Fienstien is going to have a field day investigating all of these republicons from Petraus to Cantor.

Jody, wonder if Darrel Issa will call for an investigation, this should be right up his alley. It is a situation with lots of meat on the bones full of intrigues...but I guess not, he only goes after Democrats on bare bones.

As hard as it is to believe, the more I read about the Petraeus scandal, I am thinking there may have been a subplot to, at the very least, embarrass the President right before a hard fought election. I hope none of this gets swept under the proverbial rug, as there appears to be a few freelancers operating in the FBI and who knows where else.

skip Nicholson, Oklahoma City-

Happy days are indeed here again!

Indeed, Skip. The Election was glorious!

Besides, I'm sure you are much happier living in OK than in dreary Costa Rica!!!

LOL!!!

Always enjoy your posts.

Salud

To those of you who are sick and tired of hearing about polls. Sorry.

Scott Rasmussen recently told Politico that his presidential race tracking poll was wrong because he had underestimated minority turnout. This sounds amazingly unprofessional to me. Good pollsters don't weight their results with assumptions about turnout. They weight them with demographic factors from government surveys of the population and then screen the results with questions to indicate who likely voters will be. Rasmussen didn't do that and his results were among the worst of all the major polls except Gallup. He predicted Romney would win by 1 point but he lost by 3 points.

No wonder that Romney was "shell shocked" by his loss if he was only paying attention to polls like Rasmussen's that were weighted with guestimations to get results that Romney would like. Presidents always have to resist the urge to listen to yes-men who only tell them what they want to hear. Romney's apparent inability to consider polls that told the hard truth in favor of polls based on dubious science shows he would have been worse than most presidents in that regard. Another reason why we were lucky to dodge the bullet of a Romney presidency.

White House’s side: Team Obama says that its last offer in July 2011 is not even a remote starting point. Their starting point is what they outlined afterward: raising tax rates for the wealthy back to the Clinton levels.

Oh, right.

Beside's the scandal, seems I've heard this thing called a "fiscal cliff" that's suppose to be the Mayan equivalent to the end of the world?

I like what Chris Hayes calls it.

A "Fiscal Curb".

Seems more appropriate than all the 1 Percenter's hype.

Salud

there is the reptilian brain, millions of years old, that gets hard and extends itself very naturally. the adrenaline level goes super sonic in both war and sex. politics (the reach around for power) is no different. so....everyone take a deep breath and enjoy the ancient show. this gives nbc, fox, etc, ample opportunities to distract from REAL issues like 1 in 4 children in the USA living in poverty and going to bed hungry. god forbid THAT should ever be a topic of serious discussions! or the lies and corruption of those who would bankrupt America with credit default swaps or unnecessary wars that ruin millions of lives. and those people thrive after their deeds of destruction are done, make millions of dollars and are called heroes. but...alas.....lets just stay fixated on the sexual high....

Eric - I believe the FBI was brought in because the e-mails were "threatening" so they were called. Unfortunately when you head the CIA even private matters can become very public as it puts you at risk of being blackmailed and you giving away secrets. It's a fine line and my guess is the General is regretting his affair for more reasons than it getting out. (Who wants to find out the person they cared about tossed them to the wolves?)

As for the Republican Party - they have to actually stand for SOMETHING. During the past election we found they stood for one thing one day, something entirely different the next. But mostly, they stood against immigrants and women; gays; anyone different.

At some point, they have to realize they are courting a very limited base - and even some of those have grown up and accepted diversity.

Holy moley. People complaining MSNBC is "Right Leaning"?????????? I've now heard it all.

Last time I knew, having an affair wasn't against the law.

It is for married members of the US Military. Read up on "adultery" in the Uniform Code of Military Justice. What hasn't been completely clarified is whether Patreaus was porking the broad exclusively while wearing his medal-encrusted blouse or if the "indiscretion" occurred on civilian time at the CIA. The former would be "illegal" and the latter would be simply immoral ~ something which never seems to disqualify someone for a high government post in Washington.

Jody, Iowa

Maybe Darryl Issa should hold a hearing on why Eric Cantor knew of the Petreaus triangular mess two weeks before President Obama did. If the right can talk nonstop conspiracy theories, here's one for them to mull over: did the FBI guy in FL who doesn't like President Obama or democrats, tip off Eric Cantor in the hopes he could get the Petreaus story out before Nov 6 and hopefully it would turn the election in Romney's favor?

Jody,

Darrel Issa has a investigation of his own to deal with.

The organization Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington – or CREW – is accusing Issa of violating House Ethics rules. Days before the election, Issa used his committee resources to upload a YouTube video attacking the President over State Department dinner spending.

As CREW asserts, the ad had nothing to do with Issa’s work on the Oversight Committee and was a blatant attack ad against the President. According to Ethics rules, committee resources, which are funded by taxpayer dollars, cannot be used for political campaigns. Rather than addressing the allegations directly, a spokesperson for Issa attacked CREW as a partisan organization.

What’s the point of government oversight, when the guy in charge has his own fair share of unethical behavior?

http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2012/11/republican-house-oversight-committee-chairman-darrell-issa

skip Nicholson, Oklahoma City

Folks, I lived in Texas, Dallas to be exact, in the early 70's and it was a great place to live. The people were friendly and the culture was diverse and very colorful. But they have changed and changed for the worse and I'd be happy to see them secede. We don't need them. Of course there are good people in Texas but they can all move north before the final documents are signed. Let them go. I'll take Puerto Rico any day to replace them. Lovely people, beautiful island.

Let's not paint with too broad a brush, Skip. If Texas secedes from the Union, then Austin, Houston, and Dallas will secede from the secession. Austin (aka "the People's Republic of Austin") is one of the best things about Texas. And here in Houston, we have the very first openly gay mayor Mayor Anise Parker. Don't judge the entire state by its kooky Governor Oops or a small group of sore losers clogging the White House web site with crackpot demands.

Houston!-

To those of you who are sick and tired of hearing about polls. Sorry.

Not me. I find it alot more facinating than the Petraeus sex scandal.

There is still alot of intriguing stuff coming out about the Republican polling data, or lack there of.

I will have another colunm tomorrow on it.

One incredible thing about your Scott Rasmussen story is their failure to ignore the 2010 census data.

Salud

Tomas, mi amigo! Thank you for your kind words. The feeling is mutual. I have a feeling that the country is going to get back on track and we will indeed become a great nation again.

I havn't felt this confident in our future for a long time. Now the President is free to take the necessary actions to insure our future and bring us into the 21st century. With the GOP in decline and slipping back into their 20th century role as the loyal opposition I think we're going to be OK.

Hence my wild guitar spending spree.

Nope, I'll be sticking around. I think the good ol' USA is going to be the place to be for some time to come. We dodged the bullet, we stepped back from the abyss and I think we'll be able to hold our position now through the 2016 Presidential race and beyond.

Happy days my friend, happy days.

But we've still got to do something about hate radio and FOX news. And yes, MSNBC stirs the pot as well and while I agree with them most of the time, I don't think they help the cause any more than FOX does. Sorry kids. Love ya, but we need fairness.

What planet do you guys live on? Obama won and you guys should be celebrating and feeling good about 4 more years just like the last 4. But take your rose colored glasses off for a second and take a big breath because how is this victory the elimination of the GOP party. Lets see, Obama received 8 million few votes than 08 and won by a very small majority. He basically won by 3 million votes and over 60 million voters wanted Romney to win. Almost 50% of America disagrees with the path Obama is taking us on. Now for the demographics. Obama won because he got 70% of the latino vote, 65% of the voters making under $30k a year, 95% of the African American vote and over 60% of the single female vote and over 60% of the young vote. Romney received 65% of the white, married and senior citizen vote and received the vast majority of the votes from working taxpayers who fund 90% of governments income tax revenue. Obama won because the segments in our society who think that government is there to make their life financially better cast their vote for Obama. You really think that spells trouble for the GOP? This election has created an economic polarization on the role of government. Because the GOP is on the wrong side of a bunch of social issues in which many voters dislike, they lose too many voters who think that the President can really impact their right to an abortion or have a gay marriage or get free contraceptives. They also are on the wrong side of some path to citizenship for some immigrants but on the right side of protecting our borders. They need to do more to attract latino voters but they will. Because they are on the right side on the role of government and the economy, there is no way that the GOP party is now dead. They are actually stronger according to the polls than they were in 08. I suppose Obama could start leading from the front and move more to the middle on economic matters but I just dont see an ideologue like him getting there but I could be wrong. The problem for the democrats as they dont really have a new star in the waiting after Obama. The GOP has plenty of socially moderate economic stars that will and should become the new face of the party.

@Miklkit - I agree with you on Feinstein. Watching her on A. Mitchell was priceless. She has laid the groundwork to obliterate Cantor in what could easily amount to a Congressional investigation into what Cantor did/did not disclose. I don't see Cantor walking away from this without having his head served to him on a platter. Couldn't happen to a better scumbag.

Kirk-

I appreciate your post although I disagree with some of your points.

One criticism - in the future, please break you massive paragraph up into one to two sentences each.

Old gents like me find it very difficult to read a run-on sentence.

Salud

I'm gonna go play my new Jazz Guitar a little bit. I was so confident about the way the election (thanks to Nate Silver) I bought my new guitar a week before election day and I may buy ANOTHER new guitar before the week is out. Happy days are indeed here again!

Hey skip, you deserve commendation for doing your part to stimulate the economy.

Let's hope those dang nattering nabobs get laryngitis and leave us in peace this Thanksgiving. We have a lot to be thankful for in the U.S.A.! Still celebrating here... :)

The problem for the democrats as they dont really have a new star in the waiting after Obama. The GOP has plenty of socially moderate economic stars that will and should become the new face of the party.

Pffft - what planet do you live on, oh enlightened one? The Democrats have plenty of strong candidates to run on 2016. The GOPTP or is it TPGOP is the party with no strong leadership to place on the 2016 ticket. They are still fighting over whether they should fling even further to the right. Apparently, their stance on anti-abortion wasn't strong enough. They are mulling going 'brown' by running Marco simply to pick up Latino votes - yeah, like that will work. The GOPTP might as well run the Westboro Baptist pastor Fred Phelps - at least he can pick up endorsements from Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, and the Kochs.

Petraeus heading the CIA was just another Obama epic failure in decision-making. And outing him before the testimony is to save his own hide.

The only "epic failure" was the Romney campaign.

TomasGrande

Houston!-

To those of you who are sick and tired of hearing about polls. Sorry.

Not me. I find it alot more facinating than the Petraeus sex scandal.

Another geeky fan of Super Geek Nate Silver, eh?

One incredible thing about your Scott Rasmussen story is their failure to ignore the 2010 census data.

Yes, it's incredible. Nate Silver doesn't have a very high opinion of Rasmussen, either. Silver has that liberal bias in favor of facts over wishful thinking.

The real lesson for all of us: MAKE LOVE NOT WAR!!!

Colorado Man - Petraeus was an outstanding General and headed the CIA well. His personal life is what did him in - nothing to do with Obama. And, the Republicans knew prior to the election about he mess - not Obama - and chose not to release it. So, I guess the epic failure is the Republican party. Oh wait - I KNOW the epic failure is the Republican party!

Kirk-2957282

there is no way that the GOP party is now dead. They are actually stronger according to the polls than they were in 08. I suppose Obama could start leading from the front and move more to the middle on economic matters but I just dont see an ideologue like him getting there but I could be wrong. The problem for the democrats as they dont really have a new star in the waiting after Obama. The GOP has plenty of socially moderate economic stars that will and should become the new face of the party.

Kirk,

Let's get one thing straight; more Cubans voted for President Obama.

Among Cuban voters, the vote was split—49% supported Obama while 47% supported Romney.

Pew: Latino Vote Share Outperformed 2008 Levels In Florida, Colorado, Nevada

Obama carried Florida’s Hispanic vote 60% to 39%, an improvement over his 57% to 42% showing in 2008. Also, Hispanics made up 17% of the Florida electorate this year, up from 14% in 2008.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/pew-latino-vote-share-outperformed-2008-levels-in

See, Kirk putting Rubio's brown face did/does no good since he supports the Romney Ryan Plan. President Obama already leads otherwise he won not have won in a landslide; despite the bullsh!t about the economy the GOP/Teajihadist tried.

The person who should be leading is the Grimm Weeper; John Boehner.

Lean >>>FORWARD

over 60 million voters wanted Romney to win.

Kirk, I'm going to boil it down to that. You may be correct in terms of numbers, but you're wrong on the reasons behind those numbers.

Most of the voters who supported Romney were deluded by his lies. LIES!!! Big, bold whoppers that no honest person would believe a presidential candidate to be capable of making over and over again. That's how Romney tried to fool gullible voters, and the media rarely called him on his lies. In fact, Fox supported his lies.

Many of us do remember the Bush/Cheney years, although the GOP tried mightily to re-write history. It's like that old saying about fooling the people... Romney just wasn't able to sell himself because he is a LIAR. Americans stubbornly refused to be hoodwinked, and we refused to let obscene amounts of money sway us from reality.

And now we come to that all-important fact: reality. Embrace it, Kirk.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Oh well, it was bound to happen.

Boehner Fighting To Keep Job As Pundits Call For His Head

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11/12/boehner-fighting-to-keep-job-as-pundits-call-for-his-head/

Talk about leadership.

Tomas--I know my stream of consiousness posts are difficult to read mainly because I am lazy. Will try to do better. Beverly, not sure I ever understand your hate filled posts. Nothing you post has anything to do with my points. Of course, latinos voted for Obama in greater numbers that was my point. I never said that the election didnt polarize the nation. But its basically 50/50 and Obama's popularity is significantly down. He lost 8 million votes since 08--what part of that dont you get? He made it up with polarizing the electorate down economic lines. Those who feel the role of government is to provide some sort of economic benefit and those who fund those benefits. Thats a long term prescription for failure. Reddev never has any insightful things to add-just partisan blathering. Last time I checked, Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, Rubio and others are far more socially moderate and would appeal more to those groups that the far right alienates. Its not like the far left hasnt already alienated 60 million voters who voted for Romney.

Just a thought...

Could the Petraeus scandal be dominating the headlines to divert attention from the fact that the Right Wing media manipulate the polls (to look like the Governor was going to win) to convince the Super Pac donors to give MORE money to the Right Wing media?

Hmmmmm......

More to follow tomorrow.

Salud

Fox News Sold Conservatives "A Bill Of Goods" On Benghazi And The Election

http://mediamatters.org/video/2012/11/13/eric-boehlert-on-the-war-room-fox-news-sold-con/191337

The Benghazi story, or specifically the one the GOP Noise Machine is committed to tell about the September 11 terrorist attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya, perfectly captures the fevered Obama hatred that conservatives have carried throughout his first term. And it's a story they seem desperate to broadcast during the final weeks of the campaign.

The upsetting national security news from Libya, the kind that has been spared this level of politicization in the past, is now being used as a vehicle for conservatives to spin their ugliest fantasies about the president and to depict him as heartless traitor who chose to let Americans die at the hands of Islamic terrorists.

This is the natural culmination of four years worth of Obama Derangement Syndrome.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/02/hyping-benghazi-madness-right-wing-projects-its/191089

Kirk - as usual you love to "hear" your ramblings. Although more latinos and blacks voted for President Obama, more well-educated women and young well educated men also voted for him. People who realize we need to work as a country - together - voted for him and against hatred. A very large percentage of people earning over $75,000 voted for the President. And, most of us don't receive any government subsidies. That is the lie the GOP has relied on throughout the past year. It is no more true today than it was in the past.

You can't get over the fact that the Republican party is comprised of people who antiquated ideas have made the party nearly obsolete. As more and more educated people leave the Republican party it will devolve even more. The party has no ideas to sustain it - only hatred of anyone who doesn't look and act just like they do. The long-term prescription for failure IS the Republican party.

Speaking of partisan political blather - care to shed some light on this partisan political blather constantly spewed by Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, and other right partisan political pundits. See, Kirk, the problem is that as a democrat, I am one of the so called 'benefit funding worker bees', earning an income and paying taxes. In your world, how is it possible that I voted democrat according to my 'economic line'? Sorta blows that partisan bull crap you spout all to hell now, doesn't it.

polarizing the electorate down economic lines. Those who feel the role of government is to provide some sort of economic benefit and those who fund those benefits

Kirk-2957282

Beverly, not sure I ever understand your hate filled posts. Nothing you post has anything to do with my points. Of course, latinos voted for Obama in greater numbers that was my point

Kirk

You need more than a bird brain to comprhend something other than what you FOX NATIONALIST do. I don't understand you either. That's putting it mildly. You betcha (wink wink)

lean>>>FORWARD

Beverly in Chicago-

Beverly, Thank you for all the GREAT links!!!

You just keep hitting one after another out of the ballpark.

Have you thought about playing for the Cubs???

Salud

RedDev - don't you know - all of us are on the government welfare rolls - even though we work! Amazing isn't it? I have been fortunate enough to never need the help of the government through welfare benefits but clearly I get them and don't even know it - as do many of my friends who work and voted for President Obama! WOW!

Seeking sanity, you were right on about Kirk's post. Don't forget about a quarter of Obama's supporters are white men. (This is a national coalition) And many of these men are educated, liberal minded to some extent, and in the top 2% of incomes. Until the GOP abandons its war on science and gets religion out of its platform, they will never get our vote.

Dang Seeking .. perhaps the Right wingers are onto something .. and I am one of those libtards because unlike Lyin' Ryan and Fibbin' Romney, I'm not morally corrupt enough to lie on forms so I can partake in all those government handouts. Why shoot, to think I coulda had me an Obamaphone, courtesy of Kirk's hijacked taxes.

B.White - I love the "Obama lost 8 million votes" line. Yet, amazingly, Romney didn't get those 8 million votes! Maybe the fact that, very often, for the 2nd term of any President votes are down. And, clearly Republicans did nothing to excite the voters. Could it be that with 8 million fewer voting for President Obama and Romney still losing that the Republican party is a dismal failure????? Ya think?

RedDev - "coulda had an Obamaphone" even though the free phone program started in 1996? I still love that one!

A couple of comments for what they are worth....

The equation of the Patreeus story to a soap opera is great but shouldn't it be "As The Stomach Turns"?

As for the reaction to the loss of the electon by the Romneys and the Ryans.. When they came on stage I looked at their eyes and all of them had signs of crying. Anne had a really sour look and finally mustered a weak smile and an even weaker wave to the crowd. The Ryans were more stoick but signs of tears there too.

More sex and scandel.... It's funny how you "Informed Voters" are just learning about the details of the Libya issue now 2 months after it broke. You all have just ignored it. Not until sex and blackmail inject them self you all perk up.

It's very clear Obama banned all "Torture" and even made it a crime. Geeezzzzz if the commander and chief knew about this black site with prisoners being interigated against US law..... Wouldn't that make him accessory? Just say'n.

I don't know, I mean I think I'm glad Obama kept sites like these open to keep us safe. It's just sad it couldn't remain covert and in the shadows.

reprinted..

Dear Red States:

We're ticked off at your Neanderthal attitudes and politics, so we've decided you're leaving.

We in New York, Mass and CA intend to form our own country and we're taking all the other Blue States with us. In case you aren't aware that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Md, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Vermont, the rest of the Northeast, and DC also.

We believe ...
this split will be beneficial to the entire nation and especially to the people of our new country called "The Enlightened States of America" (E.S.A).

To sum up briefly:

You get Texas, Oklahoma, AZ and all the slave states.

We get stem cell research, the best beaches, and we'll take all of the creative gay people you don't want anyway.

We get Barack and Michelle, Bill & Hillary, Andrew Cuomo, Elizabeth Warren, and Dianne Feinstein. You get Bobby Jindal, Rick Perry and Todd Akin.

We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.

We get Apple, Intel, Microsoft and all the smart technology. You get WorldCom, the Koch Bros, and all the coal/oil pollution.

We get Harvard, Yale, Columbia, UC, Stanford and Princeton. You get Ole' Miss.

We get Silicon Valley, NYC, San Fran, Seattle and 85 percent of America's venture capital and best entrepreneurs.

You get Alabama and Arkansas.

We get two-thirds of all the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay their fair share.

Our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition states, so we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of angry single moms and deadbeat dads.

With the Blue States in hand we will have firm control of 80% of the country's fresh water, more than 90% of the pineapple and lettuce, 92% of the nation's fresh fruit, 95% of America's quality wines (you can serve Ripple at your state dinners), 90% of the best cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the US low sulfur coal, all the living redwoods, solar power, the Sequoias and condors, all the Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, UC, UCLA, Cal Tech and MIT.

With the Red States you will have to cope with 88% of all the obese Americans and their projected healthcare costs, 92% of all US mosquitoes, nearly 100% of the tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99% of all the Southern Baptists, virtually 100% of all televangelists, plus Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

We also get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you very much. You get Appalachia.

You get the 38% of those in the Red states who believe that the world was created in 7 days and that Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, the 62% who are pro-life for fetuses but not for the kids who are actually born or their Moms, those who believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, the 44% who know that evolution is only a theory, the 53% who still believe that Saddam was part of 9/11 and had weapons of mass destruction, that Obama was born in Kenya, and the 61% of those crazy bastards who even believe they have higher morals than we do.

Oooopsies..(remind you of anyone Houston?) it appears that my remarks regarding Texas were a bit premature. Apparently Oklahoma, along with most of the old Confederacy, is on the petition as well.

Looks like I may be moving after all. What's the closest RATIONAL state? New Mexico? Illinois? Please don't tell me I'm going to have to move all the way to California or Massachusetts.

I have been to Austin and San Antonio and I've actually lived in Dallas and thoroughly enjoyed all those cities (sorry Houston, but Houston is too humid for me).

I guess I'll move to New Mexico or Illinois.

Typical 39% Progressives.....eat up everything about a sex scandal.

However, gotta get in the Progressive quips on secession, being a conservative, and other non-relevant issues.

Meanwhile back in the real World.....where are the Liberal articles on who knew what and did nothing concerning the Benghazi attack which left an Ambassador to the United States of America, and three other Americans, DEAD ?

BTW: the Presidential election is OVER. Time to get with the program.

skip Nicholson-

Welcome to the Land of Enchantment, Skip!!!

300 days of Sunshine, no tornados, no humidity, and lots of Balloons.

Plus the food is to die for!!!

My wife and I will Treat you and your lovely to dinner.

Let's drink some Dos XX when you get here!!!

Salud

Alan, NJ

@Bev

http://dailycurrant.com/2012/11/09/palin-announces-2014-presidential-run/

Well I guess this Daily Currant story must be true too.

http://dailycurrant.com/2012/11/12/obama-unveils-american-flag/

The brand new American flag features a green and red color scheme, meant to symbolize Islam and Socialism, respectively. The red portion sports a Soviet hammer and sickle and six French fleur-de-lys, representing the six "important states" of California, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts, Vermont, and Hawaii.

Alan,

Only those of you who fed off the breast milk FOX NOOSE feds you would believe it. But, you can bet this real...

Fox's Mike Gallagher: "We're Going To Beat Up On Obama For The Next Four Years"

http://mediamatters.org/video/2012/11/09/foxs-mike-gallagher-were-going-to-beat-up-on-ob/191303

Same Ole Sh!T Different Day over @ FOX NOOSE. RADIO RWANDA's propaganda divided their country just as much!!!!

Kirk, Kirk, Kirk

In 2010, the Republicans delivered a shellacking to the Democrats. You won House seats and state legislatures and governorships all over the country.

And what did Republicans do with their new jobs? In Maine, they began to implement the right-wing agenda, as outlined by the Heritage Center. They cut benefits for teachers and passed the savings onto millionaires in the form of tax cuts. They "reformed" health insurance so companies could charge rural seniors higher rates. Moved to cut low income people from social services. "Rolled back regulations" by, for example, legalizing the sale of fireworks and putting up a sign along the highway: Maine is Open for Business!

The result? We are the only New England state that hasn't seen an increase in employment. My city, Portland, struggles to deal humanely with the homeless folks from other parts of the state who have descended upon us.

So, naturally, the Republicans have lost the majority in the state legislature and I find it doubtful the governor will be re-elected in 2014. When you talk about elections, you can't just talk about which "tribe" won, but what policies failed or succeeded. President Obama's policies succeeded enough, obviously, so the voters returned him to power. Republican policies anacted in our state legislature did not succeed, in anything except enriching the wealthiest here, so those legislators lost their jobs. End of story.

skip - apparently there are several states petitioning. However, it is about the same number that petitioned to leave the US and go out on their own after the 2004 and 2008 elections. We just didn't hear about it then. It seems to be a normal occurance - for abnormal people!

Ido-

BTW: the Presidential election is OVER. Time to get with the program.

Still spewing your Hannity BS I see.

Yes, Ido, the Election is over. Your side lost BIG TIME, proving without a doubt, all the time and effort you put into repeating the Faux/Hannity/Rush lies was all for naught.

Republicans FAILED. Hannity FAILED. Rush FAILED. and so did YOU.

Makes you feel really stupid I bet.

Now, run along and go back to the Drudge with your BS.

There truly is NOTHING you could type that has any value whatsoever.

Salud

TomasGrande

Beverly, Thank you for all the GREAT links!!!

You just keep hitting one after another out of the ballpark.

Have you thought about playing for the Cubs???

Salud

TomasGrande,

Tu eres mucho simpatico (tambien I didn't use Google translation) ☺

Since I grew up on the South Side, I'm a White Sox fan. They blew the playoff dagnabbit!!!

Muchas Gracias por todas

Dispeme, I just heard Paul Ryan say they new the race would be close. Close???

332 Obama Romney 206

RepubliCOn's new math. WoW

Last time I checked, Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, Rubio and others are far more socially moderate and would appeal more to those groups that the far right alienates.

I'm afraid I don't share your enthusiasm, Kirk.

Mitch Daniels? He is one of the obstructionist ringleaders whose main goal is to stop any progress proposed by the opposition party, even though Republicans supported those proposals until Obama embraced them.

Chris Christie? He's a thug in league with the Jersey mafia, mark my words. He might have redeemed himself a little by expressing gratitude for Obama's leadership during the Sandy crisis, but I'm not sold on Crisco.

Marco Rubio? A nice looking man. Another empty suit GOP puppet. The Hispanic version of Romney.

None of the above has done anything to impress me. Try again, Kirk.

Let's be clear Beverly. You may be the stupidest person on the planet.

You even post your own link regarding Palin from the same source. It's called satire.

Please get some educational help and your writing may, and I only say may, reach 2nd grade equivalency.

Entirely uncalled for, Alan. Kind of immature to throw a hissy fit, isn't it?

Are you still without power there in New Jersey?

Get used to it. Republicans are going to be without power for a loooooong time.

kaybeetoys--

"There is another shameful and damaging U.S. military scandal that ought to be given plenty of airtime: the out-of-control sexual harrassment and rape of service women and servicemen in all branches of our military, including educational institutions."

I think you've hit the nail on the head. What we are seeing unfolding in real time are the symptoms of a very real, systemic problem, permeating the very fabric of the military. What has happened at these levels illustrates the sense of entitlement and sexual power running throughout the entire chain of command, and explains very clearly WHY we have the problems with sexual assault and harassment within the ranks. Where did Petraeus and Broadwell receive their commissions? West Point. The attitudes at that particular institution are the same attitudes that exist at the AF Academy and Annapolis. It's not surprising that we have these problems. What IS surprising is that people are shocked by what has been exposed.

kaybeetoys - I'm going to disagree with you on Christie. Would he be good as President, don't know that but I truly believe he not only saw the writing on the wall during this election, he saw it flooding his state. He knows the GOP is tainted beyond repair and I think he will do whatever is good for his state. He might actually be a decent candidate for something higher than governor of NJ.

But, the Republican Party is going to go with someone like Ryan who is so far right of mainstream they will again lose the few sane people left in the party. The "leadership" cannot comprehend that they are alienating the majority of people in this country. People don't want the government trying to tell us that they know exactly how we are to live our lives and they want to control everyone.

The Grand Old Party has truly become the party of Grumpy Old Perverts - as evidenced by Akin and Murdouch! UGH!

kaybeetoys-

Marco Rubio? A nice looking man. Another empty suit GOP puppet. The Hispanic version of Romney.

Nailed it.

Unfortunate, but what drives Rubio is profiting as a politian while forgetting his roots with his community. However, the Cuban population in Florida LOVES him.

He also has, dare I say, a little Alberto Gonzales in him (the Attorney General appointed by GWB).

Salud

Alan, NJ

Let's be clear Beverly. You may be the stupidest person on the planet.

You even post your own link regarding Palin from the same source. It's called satire.

Please get some educational help and your writing may, and I only say may, reach 2nd grade equivalen

Ohh Alan,

You got your itty bitty feelings hurt. It's not my fault your spin doesn't impress me. It's not my fault you're dumber than you think.

Let's be clear Beverly. You may be the stupidest person on the planet.

The racist is still at it eh?

Entirely uncalled for, Alan. Kind of immature to throw a hissy fit.

Are you still without power there in New Jersey?

Get used to it. Republicans are going to be without power for a loooooong time.

do you see the irony of immature hissy fits? Probably not. In this particular case, Alan I believe was warranted in his assessment of the Racist Bev. sorry but Alan typically is one of the more respectful posters on here. Agree with him or not it is the truth. Its sad that the regular far lefties on here are still typical childish critters.

Ohh Alan,

You got your itty bitty feelings hurt. It's not my fault your spin doesn't impress me. It's not my fault you're dumber than you think.

Still puts me light years ahead you.

kaybeetoys - I'm going to disagree with you on Christie. Would he be good as President, don't know that but I truly believe he not only saw the writing on the wall during this election, he saw it flooding his state. He knows the GOP is tainted beyond repair and I think he will do whatever is good for his state. He might actually be a decent candidate for something higher than governor of NJ.

Time will tell, Seeking Sanity. What I see when I look at Christie (beyond the obvious) is a mean-spirited bully. I personally think he was afraid his goose was cooked, but he's a man who knows which side his bread is buttered on. He was seen eating a big slice of humble pie, served up by Sandy.

Unfortunate, but what drives Rubio is profiting as a politian while forgetting his roots with his community. However, the Cuban population in Florida LOVES him.

They can learn to love another, can't they, Tomas? ;)

do you see the irony of immature hissy fits? Probably not. In this particular case, Alan I believe was warranted in his assessment of the Racist Bev. sorry but Alan typically is one of the more respectful posters on here. Agree with him or not it is the truth. Its sad that the regular far lefties on here are still typical childish critters.

Oh, was I having a hissy fit, Caesar?

It felt more like throwing a sucker punch.

It's all in your perspective I suppose. Get out there and have a real nice day. ;)

SeekingSanity

kaybeetoys - I'm going to disagree with you on Christie. Would he be good as President, don't know that but I truly believe he not only saw the writing on the wall during this election, he saw it flooding his state.

I don't like Christie - I think he's an opportunist (more than an average politician). Christie has been accused of using his office's to award lucrative federal no-bid contracts to friends, and supporters (Kelley, Ashcroft, etc).

But I will give credit to Christie for saying what no Republican is willing to say: that there is nothing wrong with a Republican praising President Obama for a job well done after Hurricane Sandy. Christie was called a traitor for doing so and he did point out that there is something wrong with his party for saying that.

That, I will give him credit for because he had much more to lose than to gain for praising President Obama but I still don't like/trust Christie.

kaybeetoys,

Oh, was I having a hissy fit, Caesar?

we all have to give Little Seizure credit for sticking around considering that most Romney rats - or Ratmeys - jumped ship...

Kirk-2957282

What planet do you guys live on? Obama won and you guys should be celebrating and feeling good about 4 more years just like the last 4.

Being plagued with fanatics who can't deal with the stunning defeat the voters handed them might be a bit of a downer on the celebrations, but on the bright side, it's kind of amusing to see them thrashing around in their impotent rage.

But take your rose colored glasses off for a second and take a big breath because how is this victory the elimination of the GOP party. Lets see, Obama received 8 million few votes than 08 and won by a very small majority.

Obama still got more votes than G. W. Bush did in 2004 and won by a bigger margin over Romney than Bush won over John Kerry. Back in 2004, the connies claimed that Bush had a "mandate," but of course they've moved the goal posts now for Obama as to what can be considered a mandate.

Almost 50% of America disagrees with the path Obama is taking us on.

Correction: 47.8% voted for Romney.

Obama won because he got 70% of the latino vote, 65% of the voters making under $30k a year, 95% of the African American vote and over 60% of the single female vote and over 60% of the young vote. Romney received 65% of the white, married and senior citizen vote and received the vast majority of the votes from working taxpayers who fund 90% of governments income tax revenue.

You forgot Asians. They are considered honorary white people by ultraconservatives due to their stereotype as hardworking entrepreneurs and straight-A students. 72% of Asians voted for Obama. Maybe there's something to the stereotype: Asians are apparently too well educated to buy what Romney was selling.

As for the rest of Obama voters, most of them are hardworking taxpayers, too. The Fox News race-baiting, false attacks on the MAJORITY who voted for Obama as deadbeats living off the government dole are not going to win over those voters to the GOP. Mitt lost after he insulted 47% of the voters. Hurling the same stupid insult at 51% of the voters isn't going to work any better.

ldo

Meanwhile back in the real World.....where are the Liberal articles on who knew what and did nothing concerning the Benghazi attack which left an Ambassador to the United States of America, and three other Americans, DEAD ?

BTW: the Presidential election is OVER. Time to get with the program.

Yeah. The election is over. Time for you to drop the vile crackpot conspiracy theories about Benghazi. Romney's despicable attempt to exploit the tragedy did not work. He lost, in case you didn't notice.

kaybeetoys

over 60 million voters wanted Romney to win.

Kirk, I'm going to boil it down to that. You may be correct in terms of numbers, but you're wrong on the reasons behind those numbers.

He's wrong on the numbers, too. Obama is beating Romney 62,306,898 to 58,937,514, and the votes are still being counted. Don't believe the numbers that these idiots pull out of their -- um out of thin air. The current totals can be seen at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012.

And no, the numbers aren't made up. They're exactly the same on news web sites like CBS, although I don't have the URL for that one.

Thanks for the correction, Houston. I hope Kirk sees it.

I have fond memories of the fajitas and margaritas at Ninfa's, by the way...

Oh, was I having a hissy fit, Caesar?

ok not a hissy fit, just the immature response in general and the irony of it. i do have a great day and thanks.

If you're the Director of the CYA (oops CIA) like BeTrayUS and your "Main Squeeze" starts telling everyone your Corrupt Political Masters "International Secrets" at the University of Denver it might just be lucky enough to become the latest Chapter of the on-going saga of perversion, betrayal, lies, and never ending deceit of "Obama's" Benghazi- Gate!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/12/paula-broadwell-benghazi-attack-petraeus/1699207/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/11/12/why-did-paula-broadwell-think-the-cia-had-taken-prisoners-in-benghazi/

Then "Magically" right after the "Election out come the Obama "Democratic Attack Dogs" spewing their vial nastiness and spinning around like tops trying to tell everyone "It's Old News.... No Story Here...Move it on....Move it on folks!

Anyone remember "Obama Biden & Clinton" Posing for a Publicity Photo Shoot over the "Dead Bodies" of Ambassador Stevens and his three hapless "Protectors"?

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-09-14/news/33848960_1_security-forces-president-obama-transport-plane

Imagine being Dragged through the streets and Murdered (or worse) merely to insure the Obominations Re-Election....

You Democrats might not "like it" but that is what appears to have happened and if it was "possible" for you to be honest with yourselves you'd admit it! So is ANY THING AND EVERYTHING OK SO LONG AS OBAMA DOES IT?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/the-benghazi-drip-drip-drip/

Come on Paula you got nothing left to lose "they've" already forever "Branded" you a "Slut and a Whore" so it is time to start spilling the "Good Stuff"!

It might even save your life and keep your name off of the "Obama Kill List"....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7W0PONlcI8

Watergate (Where No One was actually MURDERED) brought down Richard Nixon after he won a second term.....We can only hope Barrack Obama has as much "Honor" as Nixon and resigns over Benghazi-Gate!

But sadly "Everyone knows Broken Promises To US Barry has NO HONOR and willing to stop at nothing!

Impeach Obama 2012!

"We do not merely destroy our enemies; we change them." ~George Orwell, 1984

Whoa, MUW...that's some powerful koolaid you're drinking.

Political delusionism is passe, or haven't you heard? Even Bill Kristol agrees that the rich need to pay more in taxes.

You should peddle your conspiracy theories elsewhere, someplace where they can get some traction. We are all pretty rational here.

It's amazing the left's Messiah never seems to know anything about anything. Benghazi? According to Biden, "We were never told". Petraeus? Nope, nothing. Nobody told him. Amazing your President is such a no nothing fool. Maybe the ladies on the View can keep him better informed.

Right KB....I quit listening to delusional "Toys" a long time ago!

Please note folks "No Response" to the information I provided, merely petty belittlement's spewed as if they meant something!

Hahah you know you're hitting a nerve when they can only spew nonsense!

Is there anyone else out there who is also as bored to tears with this story as I am? Good grief. The guy had an affair; aliens didn't visit Earth.

As I've said before Annie-322924 the "Real Story" isn't their Affair".... The Real Scandal is what Paula claims to have happened in Benghazi and what Obama knew about it beforehand.

Since you do not seem to have "Educated" Yourself on this "Subject" before posting please allow me to assist in "your" research....

http://www.digtriad.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=1966903720001

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/tygrrrr-express/2012/nov/13/general-petraeus-and-other-naked-body/

Well Benghazi-Gate and how "They" covered up these "Crimes Against America" before the Election to benefit Obama's Re-Election Campaign!

http://news.lalate.com/2012/11/12/paula-broadwell-david-petraeus-being-used-for-cia-benghazi-cover-up/

Now even the British "Corporate Media" is trying to "Blow Smoke" for Obama! Isn't it "Funny how the UN Globalist love Obama?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2231203/Barack-Obama-David-Petraeus-Was-relationship-discovered-FBI-months-ago-hushed-election.html

Sorry but "No Amount" of "No Story Here Folks, Move it on Move it on" posters are going to cause this "Scandal" to go away so....Impeach Barrack Obama 2012....At least Richard Nixon had the Honor to Resign!

"The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history." ~― George Orwell

muw----Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh. You're a mimic and we've got enough gas bags on these threads.

"Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations." ~George Orwell

Hahaha Annie-322924 always blame the "Right" (or the Left depending) no matter what the truth is!

Sorry but the Benghazi-Gate Scandal is all over the News Media, Left Right & Center so "Blaming" Rush Bimbo won't help your kind of NEO Liberal Corporate Garbage Posters at all!

"We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right.” ~George Orwell

PS please note folks once again Annie-322924 provided nothing in rebuttal to the facts & links I've provided, instead she only resorts to petty nonsensical belittlement's & childish insults!

MUW -- you're a sad psuedo-intellect, wrapping yourself in quotations---as a beggar would wrap himself in the purple of emperors.

Ah Annie I didn't think you where "Intelligent" enough to care....You sure don't seem to be able to post more than one liners of petty nonsensical belittlement's & childish insults!

So sad.....It would seem that all of the Intellectual Obama's supporters have fled from the cover up Benghazi-Gate Scandal!

"Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4." ~George Orwell

I've been preparing taxes for more years than I want to say. Whatever the tax rates, entrepreneurs want to make money. It is important to remember that there are 2 tax rates being fought over here. One is the tax on earned income and will it go up from 35% to the 39% it was under Clinton. The second rate is the preferential rate for interest, dividends and capital gains. I think everyone agrees it is a good idea to encourage capital growth but the rate is now 15% when it was 20% for years. Even bigger, though, is the fact that if the Bush rates expire, interest & dividends will go from a 15% tax rate back to parity with whatever the top tax rate is. This is what the 1% are really arguing over, although no one will say it.

The few, The Proud, The Morally Bankrupt.

So, let me get this right. If I don't like someone, I can go to the FBI and say I have received "harassing" emails. They will then investigate all of this persons emails, not charge them, but everyone will know they were investigated.

Last time I knew, having an affair wasn't against the law. What grounds did the FBI have for looking into Petraeus's emails, and what grounds did they have to look at Allen's. What does "inappropriate" mean. Laws were not broken in the Petraeus matter, if it comes back that no laws were broken in Allen's matter, what does that say about the FBI investigating what should be private emails?

Steeler Fan,

thanks for the additional facts concerning the tax issues before Congress.

But I think sadly it will not be a talking point in the MSM anytime soon.

It is all about a FBI agent, a general, former CIA director and two women....

and their endless emails.....

I agree Northstar---but I do think it is important that we know exactly what we are fighting over.

Before the election, folks on the right were saying how Romney had the overwhelming support of "the generals". Once again, the party of family values proves that they are anything but!!

Eric

From my standpoint;

As long as National Security was not compromised then it is a question that primarily concerns the family’s involved. I know that in my particular case it wouldn’t be a National problem because I have a little Lady at home that will make a Gelding out of me most ricky ticky.

If behind the scenes the FBI is trying to return to the days of J. Edgar keeping a “Dirty Tricks File” on National Figures then it is a problem that Attorney General Holder needs to solve with alacrity so right now I’m waiting for developments and information before I comment further.

Eric, Yes, you can go to the FBI and complain about harassing emails- and why not? They will investigate but they will be looking very closely at the complaint. You had better be telling the truth- lying to the FBI is a felony.

The military code of conduct is strict. I don't have to agree to it (or adhere to it) because I'm not in the military. But the General is. They hold themselves to higher standards then we hold them to. Hopefully they will not listen to us, and they will keep up their standards. The military is the only institution we have left that seems to have any.

— Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Tex.), on Fox News, Nov. 8, 2012
“According to Ernst & Young, raising the top rates would destroy nearly 700,000 jobs in our country.”

Don't fret, Pete. Clandestine Democrat forces have captured the Romney playbook for creating 12-million jobs so the net loss will still leave us with 11-million, 300-thousand jobs. I'd bet the butter and egg money that you believed Mitt's forecast, too. The gravest of concerns is that there are a sufficient number of voters in your district that are even dumber than yourself ~ ~ they keep electing you.

Steeler Fan-380417

I've been preparing taxes for more years than I want to say.

The second rate is the preferential rate for interest, dividends and capital gains.

__________________________________________________

I sure am happy you are NOT preparing my taxes. You might want to brush up on some of the basics in the tax code before you go near another tax return. Interest income has always been taxed at ordinary income tax rates, NOT the lower rates for dividends and cap gains.

LMAO@U!!!!!!!

@BWhite, in Petraeus's case no laws were broken. Does that mean the lady lied? If so, she is not being charged. This is all too Hoover-esque for me.

Eric-913730

@BWhite, in Petraeus's case no laws were broken. Does that mean the lady lied? If so, she is not being charged. This is all too Hoover-esque for me.

Eric, Hoover had some sexual escapades; even alleged homosexual ones.

I wonder how many sexual liaisons the "Kant-or" had and whose going to blackmail him? It's time to talk about tax cuts for the rich and the fiscal curb not Sex, Lies, & Gmails.

I guess the President's taunting the GOP/Teajidaist scarred them because they know 60% of Americans are behind our President. So they just make up nontroveries.

Raising taxes on the rich doesn't destroy jobs because they remain viable consumers even with higher taxes. For companies taxes are paid on net income after expenses such as salaries are deducted so there is little effect there too. Companies need employees to function properly and to grow. What has an effect on jobs are cuts to goverment spending when contracts are not renewed. I hope someone mentions this in the media one day. But probably not because they're all a bunch of clowns on both sides of the isle.

The nation simply dodged another flooding sh^t deluge this election. While I love our President, His challenges will not be easily overcome. We are yet, generally a nation of raw bullshi^^ers. Things of substance, fairness, national good, etc. that will not stand the frame of corruption will be disregarded as unworkable extremes of corrupt charlatans, by corrupt charlatans. Cursing political establishments, News mediums, religions, Monied interests, etc., will affect little more than an occasional fart brought about by the required efforts of those mustering the profanity. Until we all understand these Charlatans are a definition of "We the people", until we all understand " we the people", in fact, mirror these unglamorous piles of rot, the nation will change little. At best, I look for a few steps forward, with most dragging a foot, and sowing their own seeds of discontent along the trial of the short movement. I fear our national honesty and rightful indignation is so weighted with rot from within, it will eventually consume us, while we stupidly swallow the presentations of Phantoms of annihilation upon the various political winds. "IR's" post is a very good example.

As I said above the Benghazi-Gate Scandal just keeps getting bigger and better everyday (just like Watergate did)!

Emails on 'coming and goings' of Petraeus, other military officials escalated FBI concerns...ISAF commander Gen. John Allen under investigation over 'inappropriate' emails...FBI agent sent shirtless photo to Kelley before email investigation, officials say...Infidelity, intrigue and politics: a timeline of the David Petraeus case....First Thoughts: Like sands through the hourglass...

And that's just from today on Obama's Corporate Controlled News Media Outlet. Everyone else in the World is having a "Field Day" at Our Expense and Our Embarrassment!

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE

Now doesn't that sound just like President Barrack H. Obama?

So you have to "Wonder" when the rest of these other Agents, Directors, Generals & Admirals are going to start "Spilling Dirt" on the Corrupt Politicians in DC and quit supporting their Oligarch Robber Baron Masters on Wall Street instead of trying to maintain the Corrupt Political Status Quo in America!

It's a "Free For All" Folks and as American Patriots we need to be encouraging everyone of "Them" both Left & Right to "Spill It All" and let "God" and the "American People" sort out the truth!

Speaking of which watch a "True American Hero" and "General" speak out against the cause and results of these "Crimes" of Wall Street! Then watch a new PBS Documentary outlining the details.....Afterwards come back and tell US who is really Left or Right Guilty or Innocent!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw&feature=g-all-f

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l-8PFk8j5I

So all your Corporate Supporting Demo/Republo-RATs should stop trying to intentionally mislead America by helping to maintain the mere "Illusion of Democracy" for your SLAVE Masters on Wall Street who are still hiding unpunished from their "Crimes" against US even today!

We have surrendered Our Children's Freedom and Liberty for the Imaginary Nonsense of their "Safety"! It is time to "Wake Up" and let the "Impeachments & Prosecutions" begin!

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever." !George Orwell, 1984

@MUW#2.15:Think you're mixing your gates. Petraeus and Allen are more stuck in "pecker gate".

Nope Mac read the links in my post #1.118 and I think you will find this is directly "Connected" to....Benghazi-Gate and Obama's attempt to Silence Paula Broadwell from speaking out about the real Benghazi story!

Gee you thought this was just about BeTrayUS's "pecker"? Hahahaha we are such a Naive People....

"If you want to keep a secret, you must also hide it from yourself." ~ George Orwell, 1984

So, let me get this right. If I don't like someone, I can go to the FBI and say I have received "harassing" emails. They will then investigate all of this persons emails, not charge them, but everyone will know they were investigated.

Last time I knew, having an affair wasn't against the law. What grounds did the FBI have for looking into Petraeus's emails, and what grounds did they have to look at Allen's. What does "inappropriate" mean. Laws were not broken in the Petraeus matter, if it comes back that no laws were broken in Allen's matter, what does that say about the FBI investigating what should be private emails?

The FBI did this to discredit and embarrass the CIA and its director. With friends like these...

My two cents, it would have been better if the FBI would have kept this silent. Since their was no crime just inform the President and allow Petraus to resign without the media circus. It could have been seen as normal turnover before the next admin starts.

However, the FBI fed it to the media and those vultures lacking the latest Tiger Woods story are feasting now. Powerful men cheating with attractive younger women, not news, unfortunately this story has legs. Surely more important than our other pressing issues - sarcasm off.

If this came out before election day, would Peter King still say it was "inexcusable" for the FBI not to tell the President (a position I agree with) or would he be trying to milk it as some sort of faux administration scandal like Benghazi?

Also do we really want to go around sacking our top generals for sexual indiscretions, especially when the FBI agent that broke the case was apparently hitting on one of the women involved. I can imagine that being in a war zone, thousands of miles from home facing life or death situations, the temptation to blow off some stress by getting laid would be pretty strong to resist and should not be a career destroyer.

This Petraeus scandal is kind of like the iceberg the Titanic hit. There's a lot you can't see,,,,,yet.

At this point, this is like some kind of Greek tragedy where the hero is brought down by his own innate human desire. The FBI agent who responded to Kelley's request is a lesser hero also brought down by his own desires (shirtless photo) and bias. Kelley is hardly blameless as she requests favor from the shirtless one.

It seems everyone involved is a victim of their own desire and/or bias.

You have tht right charlie, just the tip of the iceberg. But not to fear, the hearings will get into the Dave issue, the Hillary issue and the Susan Rice issue.

Hey, will Barry be transparant, or will he just walk away, and have the AG protect him?

Barry, the panel is calling, and it is not just Republicans. Democrats are also wanting to know!

not so funny girl - don't hold your breath waiting for the ceiling to fall in on that one. You know NOTHING everyone else doesn't know.

Oh, and my computer is still working just fine - even though you made your threat. But, don't be surprised if YOU get a knock on your door. Tick tock!

Oh boo Seeking Sanityl.

Of course your computer is working find - nothing was sent to your personal email addy. No threat there old girl, but I wouldn't choose to send a virus. Against the law.

So I know nothing that everyone else does. Okay. Anything that would hamper the love you libbies have for the Chosen One wouldn't be acceptable to you because it's just hear-say, even if it is presented in black and white, large type set, and backed up with numerous documents.

But time will tell just who kept the four lives from being lost. Benghazi Barry perhaps, or maybe Valerie will take the fall.

And go ticky-tocky yourself. You are a boor with your stupid comments.

As I've said before the "Real Story" isn't the "Affair".... The "Scandal" is what Paula Broadwell claims to have happened in Benghazi (the CIA's Secret & Illegal Prison) and what Obama knew about it beforehand.

If I was her "Dad" I'd be in fear for her life.......Accidents happen with amazing regularity whenever the "CIA" is involved!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83750.html

Her only protection now is to put "Everything" into the Public Record before the "Administration" decides Paula knows "too much" and puts her on "Obama's Kill List".....

President Obama's Kill List and What It Means For You.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhRjRapKoIE

Or "indefinitely detains her under the NDAA2012!

http://www.infowars.com/federal-court-rules-in-favour-of-indefinite-detention-of-us-citizens/

If you have committed no crime.......

“Winston Smith: Does Big Brother exist?...O'Brien: Of course he exists....Winston Smith: Does he exist like you or me?...O'Brien: You do not exist. ” ~George Orwell

Of course, the media is in the ratings game. That is how they make their money. This kind of scandal is made for tv. But it will die out in 3 or 4 days.

Don't count on it markinbecker, the rumor mill is pretty dry right now, and the media god forbid report on anything good happening.

Totally Agree. I was perfectly accepting for the longest time that my candidate (R) was going to lose. I had moved on. Then, they suck me back in - trying to delude me hat he had a shot. In my heart of hearts I was still convinced he was going to lose. But they got me to keep paying attention.... Sucker. Credit where credit is due. The press may not have any integrity, but they do know how make us look.

Perhaps you weren't paying attention in September and October.

newmalthus Head in the sand?

What if the murder of a US Ambassador occurred because of a botched CIA operation within a US consulate while being ignored by the CIA got as much press attention as the CIA sex scandal. Now that would be something!! Anymore conspiracy theories you'd like to front, NewM? How about detailing that plan by Obama to create a hurricane just prior to the elections, point it at the democratic East Coast, and subsequently declare Martial Law. I just enjoy hearing that one as a bedtime story.

RedDev - ohhhhh and just wait until the Obama earthquake hits Texas! Coming to a state near you - soon! LOL - what else will the idiots of the right come up with?

It's not the media as much as it is Americans dogs80. if we didn't watch this crap they wouldn't air it. My suggestion is, when they start airing crap like this stop watching and tune to something else. If their ratings go donw instead of up when they air this crap they will air something else.

dogs80 and newmalthus, has it occurred to either of you that the reason the sex scandal is getting more press than Benghazi is that there is nothing more to all of the Benghazi rumors and inuendo?

I can fully guarantee you that if there was any real hidden substance to the Benghazi matter, people in congress like Peter King, Lindsay Graham, John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnnell, and a handful of other rightwingers would be conducting a bus tour to drum up an inquisition. The true facts do not support the radical claims by uber-zealots on the fringe right. One glaring fact is that Ambassador Christopher Stevens was counseled NOT to go to Benghazi on or around the anniversary of 9/11. He ignored the advice and his travel plans were not secret. Thus, the attention was focused on the consulate instead of the embassy which was well fortified. If he had been a little less Rambo, most likely he and the other three foreign service officers would be alive today. This fact cannot be discounted in a thorough investigation but it can be ignored by those who would politicize the event for partisan advantage.

Jim.

It is so nice too know you are so much smarter than everyone else! I am sure that beings you said there is nothing of substance to Libya crisis we can all sleep better tonight. You do not know anymore than anyone else and our transparent administration is only going to let you know what they what you too know.

Fielden,

Has it ever occurred to you that this may just be the tip of the iceberg? I won't go into all the conspiracy theories because you will just say something about Fox news and then tell me I am looser and you are liberal so you must be smart. All I will say that this whole mess was orchestrated for the administration not to come up until the election was over. Not saying it would have made a difference because it probably would not have. I will just say that where there is smoke there is usually fire and this whole mess is not going to go away soon. Cant wait for you guys to start blaming Bush!

Dogs80, if the Bengazi story is so big why is it only one right wing oriented medium even carrying the story? One would think if there is any REAL news there that other media would all be on it like flies on a pool of honey. And no, it isn't Bush's fault but neither is it Obama's fault. Get over it. Stop looking for something, anything to focus your hatred of the Presient on. He will be President for another 4 years so get used to it.

@baldeagle11#7.6: Agree with you and "Jim in Texas" It goes to my earlier point above too. Only way some will consider and weigh an event is through the events receptiveness to warped imaginings. Bullsh^t is the new American seasoning of all national discourse with way too many. The Media is well aware of It. Fact, Fox News has done quite well with the generation and feeding of fanaticism.

If you find any real news Ron let us know.

Mo, That is exactly how I feel about the news. Every morning I read WaPo and WSJ. Then the local paper in the afternoon. I also look at a bunch of news sites. Pretty much every statement of consequence needs to be independently researched to try to get to the truth. So many opposite perspectives.

Senator Fienstien is going to have a field day investigating why these republicons informed Cantor before anyone else.

Heads will roll.

Although I generally agree with your statement, in the CIA and military, this is not acceptable. Some military have been court marshalled over such actions. In the CIA, the problem is with being setup and then blackmailed to compromise something you know. The leader of the pack has to lead by example. My military friends agree.

While trying to avoid any encouragement of the media on this topic, I do have to point out the Irony (doesn't seem like a strong enough word) that the HEAD of the CIA can't keep an affair under wraps.

I question everything,...

and smile a bit at the big picture. I'd laugh just to not cry. Using GOOD judgment is a dying breed. And obviously 'power' is sexy. But really?

The head of the Central Intellegence Agency is a very sesitive position. That person knows thing that, if compromised, could endanger the security of this country. While it is no one's business when someone else has a tryste but when someone privy to sensitive intelegence that is quite another story. General Patraeus may not have blabbed any secrets but who knows what might have happened in the heat of such a relationship.

General Patraeus is a good man overall and we should be thankful to him for service to our country but his conduct is not what one should expect from an army officer. The mere possiblility that intelegence leaks could come from such a relationship makes this much more serious than were he not the head of the CIA and a general to boot.

has "become" Are you sugesting this is a recent thing. Has "always" may be more accurate

I did not know that Gen. Colin Powell was a racist neocon.

Tell that to Obama, who apparently is hiding this issue in order to avoid telling the real truth

Is that why Senator Fienstien is investigating all of these republicons, from Petraus to Cantor?

RAW, Obama can't hide something that he doesn't know about.

You can't hide incompentence. If he doesn't know anything then why make suppositions.

I agree, but the number one goal for all commercial media is to make money and to do that they need ratings and what increases ratings more than a good sex story - especially when it affects those in high office?

You cannot have the head of the CIA behaving like this? What if it was a setup? What if he was being blackmailed? It may not be true in this case but the potential is there. And when you know there is a rule about this behavior and you do it anyway, well, it is on you. Just like the incoming CEO of Lockheed. He has some inappropriate relationship with a subordinate. He lost is position because it was not going to be tolerated by the BOD of Lockheed.

lulu, it is not uncommon for people serving in high places to believe themselves to be invisible and hence free to do stupid things.

You meant invincible I trust. Although If I was invisible, I would totally do stupid things too.

Remember the prior administration where 17 members of the cabinet were convicted of felonies?

how is this related to corruption? sandy "proves" that obama hates america? lol.

The problem for you, seethingtorrent is that the majority of voters disagree with you about the President. Accpet it and move on.

Oh for God's sake Seething, how can this be the President's fault? Really you're pushing this just too far. If anything, he has been badly served by some of his generals. Now if you want to be taken even a smidgen seriously, provide some back up to your outlandish claims otherwise your assertions are bs and all you're doing is spreading lies and a lot of of garbage.

Make an effort to try do something positive for your country instead a of this nonsense.

Seething Torrent - you know your post shows you to be seriously lacking in brain cells, right? It makes absolutely no sense.

President Obama would love to see the last of the Bush Neocons in his government leaving. Most of the scandals including Fast and Furious involve the hapless Neocons and their reckless ideas.

Indeed.

Stop WastingMyMoney - and New Gingrich; and John McCain; and Ken Starr; the list goes on and on!

markinbecker

A couple of generals having extra-marital affairs. Report them to Cheaters and lets move on.

LOL, markinbecker

This week on Cheaters, Andrea discovers her salesman boyfriend selling out their relationship. Find out what happens when Andrea confronts her boyfriend face-to-face with our cameras rolling.

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RAW - the President was not informed until after the election. However it appears Republicans knew before so I guess the crime is with the Republican party - as usual!

There have been many examples of Repubs working well with a dem admin. Tell me how LaHood is trying to take down Obama?

Gov. Huntsman was another example of a man who put loyalty to the country above loyalty to his political party. And the Republicans didn't let him forget that during the primaries.

Senator Fienstien would like to know why Cantor knew about this long before anyone else did.

This sounds like a bunch of republicons breaking the laws and trying to pinit on Democrats.

What law was broken?

Susan Rice will have a hard time being confirmed due to whatever is still out there about Libya. Holder has zero chance which I am sure Obama knows.