Supreme Court to hear key voting rights case

The Supreme Court will decide whether or not to scale back the landmark Voting Rights Act, which requires states with a history of discrimination at the polls to get federal permission before making any changes in how they conduct elections. NBC's Pete Williams reports.

Agreeing to hear another important case on race in America, the Supreme Court said Friday it will take up a battle over a key part of the landmark Voting Rights Act. Civil rights groups fear the court will use this case to gut the law.

Passed by Congress in 1965 and renewed four times since then, most recently in 2006, a key provision requires states with a history of discrimination at the polls to get federal permission before making any changes to election procedures -- from redrawing congressional district boundaries to changing the locations of polling places.

The law was at the core of the legal cases this year blocking strict new voter ID laws in Texas and South Carolina.

Shelby County, Ala., claims the pre-clearance requirement -- which currently covers nine entire states, 12 cities and 57 counties elsewhere -- is unconstitutional. Under the law, those states and areas are presumed to be acting improperly whenever they seek election changes and "must either go hat in hand to Justice Department officialdom to seek approval, or embark on expensive litigation in a remote judicial venue," says the lawyer for the county.

The areas covered by the law, Shelby County says, include some localities that have made substantial reforms while missing other parts of the country that have failed to root out discrimination at the polls.  "Florida has been forced into pre-clearance litigation to prove that reducing early voting from 14 days to 8 is not discriminatory, when states such as Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Pennsylvania have no early voting at all," the county says.

But the NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund says the current map is a close enough fit to cover the areas of greatest concern.  "Congress is not a surgeon with a scalpel when it acts to legislate across the 50 states. But it can reasonably attack discrimination where it finds it," the group says.

Three years ago, the Supreme Court narrowly rejected a challenge to the pre-clearance  requirement but strongly suggested that several justices had doubts about its constitutionality, given recent electoral reforms. "Things have changed in the South," the court said in 2009.  "Blatantly discriminatory evasions of federal decrees are rare."

Last month, the Supreme Court heard another racially charged case, re-examining whether the nation's colleges can use affirmative action in admissions.

 

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Question:

If you do not KNOW for sure WHO is actually voting because you have no ID requirement, how on Earh can you prove or disprove that there is or is no fraud?

  • 4 votes
Reply#133 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:36 PM EST

still waiting for your answer above

    #133.1 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:38 PM EST

    well elvis since the 1930s criminals and criminal organizations have become much more advanced in the the ways they carry out there acts of fraud and theft. thus making many more laws required today than in the 1930s.

    • 4 votes
    #133.2 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:43 PM EST

    Try forming a coherent question and maybe someone will deign to enlighten you, Elvis.

    Although, admittedly, THAT would be a complete waste of time.

    • 3 votes
    #133.3 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:46 PM EST

    your right on that....like a big mafia..government..but legal now

      #133.4 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:46 PM EST
      Reply

      It is interesting to me that on election day the bars and liquor stores are closed but for early voting you can get as drunk as you want..........and it is laughable that illeagle aliens won't vote because it is illeagle since they already broke the law to be here

      • 4 votes
      Reply#134 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:39 PM EST

      thats correct

        #134.1 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:41 PM EST
        Reply

        voter fraud my azz...control is what you tea nuts want for life

          Reply#135 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:44 PM EST

          the tea party...are the scribes and Pharisees of our time

            Reply#136 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:47 PM EST

            and the elvis payne's are the donkeys of america,dumber then a stick, did your parents have any kids with brains cause i think you were born without brains

            • 3 votes
            #136.1 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:03 PM EST

            why yes there mad scientist...your smart to someone hahahahahaha.but who

              #136.2 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:05 PM EST
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              Voting laws, at least for national elections, need to be standardized for the entire country. What types of ID, if any, need to be standardized for the whole country, voters with a long history of voting need to receive real assistance (not just instructions to go to a new line) in obtaining such ID's or they need to be grandfathered into the system. Voter IDs need to be issued at the time of registration and the law in effect at the time they register needs to be honored for all people who registered under it. Changes should not be backdated. Early and absentee voting needs to be standardized nationally and election day needs to be a paid holiday. Voting is by far more important and more basic to our country than all those other holidays we get to take off.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#137 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:47 PM EST

              If voting is such an important right, and supported by the Constitution, and the right to bear arms is also an important right, and supported by the Constitution, why would you have to produce ID for one and not the other????? If you support NO ID to vote, you are merely a hypocrite if you don't ALSO support no ID to purchase, register, or own a gun!

              • 4 votes
              #138 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:49 PM EST

              funny the poor don't own a gun..some state's you cant have one..get it..the nation is not all like Texas

                #138.1 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:53 PM EST

                Elvis, owning a gun is a Constitutional right, just like voting. If you don't have to show ID to vote, why should you have to show ID to own a gun? And there are alot of poor people who DO own guns, Elvis. Just look at all the shootings in Chicago---those murders aren't being committed by rich old white men, Elvis. They are being committed by porr, young black men for the most part!

                You said it, so name me the states where it is illegal to own any type of gun, Elvis.

                • 4 votes
                #138.2 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:56 PM EST

                stolen guns yes..

                  #138.3 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:58 PM EST

                  elvis payne your stupid,every state you are allowed to own a gun,and the poor people own more then all of us combine

                  • 3 votes
                  #138.4 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:00 PM EST

                  stolen yes and yes I agree you are a retard

                    #138.5 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:01 PM EST

                    Come on Elvis. Tell us ALL which states don't allow anyone to own a gun! You SAID it, now PROVE it. Or is it like all your other posts---a bunch of gibberish???

                    • 2 votes
                    #138.6 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:03 PM EST

                    NY

                      #138.7 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:05 PM EST

                      It is extremely difficult to get a gun in NJ......obvious "suppression" of a Constitutional right!

                      • 2 votes
                      #138.8 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:09 PM EST

                      THAT is an out-an-out LIE Elvis. YOU most certainly CAN own a gun in New York state!!! Where did you learn to research ANYTHING before popping off?

                      • 2 votes
                      #138.9 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:10 PM EST

                      hey stupid elvis,i have hunted in every state except hawaii and everyperson i was with all had guns so get your BS right

                      • 2 votes
                      #138.10 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:12 PM EST

                      sorry there fella...they have gun control

                        #138.11 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:13 PM EST

                        read what hope said....oh so now Obama is for people owning guns....hahahahahaha..this cant get any better

                          #138.12 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:16 PM EST

                          Wow, Elvis, do you REALLY not understand the difference between "extremely difficult" and "illegal"?

                          • 2 votes
                          #138.13 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:19 PM EST

                          again elvis get your crap straight,hawaii people have guns there just dont know if there is anything to hunt.elivis your the most screwed up person ever on this site.and screwed up elvis,there is gun laws in every state there is

                          • 2 votes
                          #138.14 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:21 PM EST

                          yes read down below you..hahahahaha

                            #138.15 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:25 PM EST
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                            hey a— — hole liberals that is set on ruining this country with thier bedpartner obameee, trhere should be voter ID laws.the civil rights BS should be done,you alrready have a black and islam man in the white house or maybe you stinking liberals just want the minorities to take over the whole country and give them a state or maybe give them all the houses and everything that hard working people worked thier a— — 's off to get where they are by hard work,now that is a concept hard work.maybe you leaches should try hard work.we show id for everything on this planet and thier should be no exemptions,there is no differance between muslum brotherhood,liberals,obame,hitler,black panthers,van jones,george soros,musilini,stalin and more,all want and wanted to rule the world and ruin it

                            • 4 votes
                            Reply#139 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:58 PM EST

                            retard

                              #139.1 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:00 PM EST

                              no dink elvis your the retard

                              • 2 votes
                              #139.2 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:04 PM EST

                              THAT, Elvis, is definitely the pot calling the kettle black!

                              • 2 votes
                              #139.3 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:05 PM EST

                              why yes the pot is black..sorry you 2 will have to deal with it another 4 years...hahahaha

                                #139.4 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:07 PM EST
                                Reply

                                Still waiting, Elvis. What states have outlawed the possession and ownership of guns? See, you spout that complete nonsense, and then can't even back up your OWN silly statements!

                                • 2 votes
                                Reply#140 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:07 PM EST

                                NY

                                  #140.1 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:07 PM EST

                                  You LIE, ELVIS, YOU LIE!!!! It is certainly NOT illegal to own a gun in New York state! It would take you (well, a normal person, anywys) about 30 seconds to type in "New York Gun Laws" and discover the truth--which is you blatantly LIED!

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #140.2 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:13 PM EST

                                  elvis now you are really screwed in the head i live in NY,open up your mouth when you know what you are talking about you dumb a- -

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #140.3 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:14 PM EST

                                  read what hope said....oh so now Obama is for people owning guns....hahahahahaha..this cant get any better

                                    #140.4 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:17 PM EST

                                    I caught both of you in a trap...you now cant say obama is taking away guns now...hahahaha..you 2 want a banana now

                                      #140.5 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:18 PM EST

                                      Hey Elvis, I NEVER have said that Obama is taking away guns. But YOU DID say that it was illegal to own a gun in NY, which is nothing but a big lie from another crazy liberal!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                      I would continue to have a battle of wits with you, but clearly you are only half-equipped, and I don't pick on people less fortunate than I!!!!!

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #140.6 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:20 PM EST

                                      hahahaha Obama supports guns..now hahahahahaa

                                        #140.7 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:23 PM EST

                                        elvis go back to your parents and sue them for not giving you any brains and brainless elvis i know every law in all 50 states pertaing to firearms and teach firearm saftey and hunting classes ,so really come back when you know what you are talking about

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #140.8 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:27 PM EST

                                        hey people reading this blog and y'all say I'm the dumb one...hahahahaha..I got em..they cant say Obama is taking there guns away any more...hahahahahaha..read there blog...look the dumb azz still has not read one of my blogs yet..so funny..@ i agree

                                          #140.9 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:28 PM EST

                                          Elvis, are you on some type of drug? Hope said that it was extremely difficult to get a gun in NJ. How does that make it illegal? And who said ANYTHING about Obama either supporting or not supporting gun rights?

                                          What the question was is this:

                                          If voting is a right gauranteed by the Constitution, and you don't believe that people shouldn't have to prove they are legal to vote, shouldn't the same reasoning be applied to owning a gun, another right gauranteed by the Constitution, without having to show ID?

                                          And have you spent ANY time at all researching ANY gun laws before posting your lie that it is illegal to own a gun in NY?

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #140.10 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:33 PM EST

                                          come on more more tell me more ...hahahahaha..please tell me more of gun rights..that Obama supports..hahahahaha

                                            #140.11 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:34 PM EST

                                            sorry try and change the subject now..hahahaha

                                              #140.12 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:36 PM EST
                                              Reply

                                              explain to me how in an election a muslim loses twice, and the electorial college still puts him in my whitehouse???? this illegal alien is a resident of kenya, self admittedly!!! and is still here???? the supreme court is as bunch of @!$%#s, and when the muslim puts his cohorts in there during this term it will get worse... you idiots that voted for the muslim are going to be very sorry for what yhou have done.. he will destroy the constitution, that has alresdy started with his bitch hillary meeting with the united nations to form a pact to take all american guns... do you have any idea what this will do???? the civilian gun ownership is the largest army in the world>>>> you eliminate this and you will be overrun by criminals, aliens, hispanics, muslims etc.. i am embarrased to be a part of this nation! ! ! !

                                              • 3 votes
                                              Reply#141 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:32 PM EST

                                              who wants to change the constitution...you far right fake Christians that who

                                                #141.1 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:37 PM EST
                                                Reply

                                                Elvis must have been in some kind of research group for drug use. Surely no person could be that stupid on their own without some help from drugs gone bad!

                                                • 2 votes
                                                Reply#142 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:37 PM EST

                                                funny 2 of you could not even stop a man on drugs...so funny Obama supports gun now...hahahahaha

                                                  #142.1 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:39 PM EST
                                                  Reply

                                                  Easy one for you, Elvis.

                                                  Cite which law blocks all citizens from owning a gun in New York state.

                                                  Real easy for a person like you with all the facts at your fingertips, Elvis.

                                                  Can you do that ONE very simple thing to back up your bold-faced lies?

                                                  Just give me the name, number, and when the law was passed, Elvis.

                                                  • 2 votes
                                                  Reply#143 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:42 PM EST

                                                  I lied...don't you get it..to catch your lies..about obama..taking away peoples guns..yes the tea party's mojo..yes you

                                                  my oh my..

                                                    #143.1 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:46 PM EST

                                                    Show me ONE single time I have said anything about Obama taking away guns or gun rights. In fact, just show me somthing I wrote that even HINTED at Obama doing ANYTHING of the sort, Elvis.

                                                    You are one seriously messed up dude, Elvis! I really feel sorry for you.

                                                    Thank God you live in Texas, where at the very least your vote is cancelled out by someone with the ability to think.

                                                    My oh my...........................................

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #143.2 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:51 PM EST

                                                    so yes i do live in Texas...thanks for keeping up with me....yes your party and you when the subject came up..told the nation Obama was taking guns away.....remember..then people started buying guns...just like this last election

                                                      #143.3 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:56 PM EST

                                                      oh and not only guns but food...I wounder if y'all can get a refund back from the food yall bought from Glenn Beck

                                                        #143.4 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:00 PM EST
                                                        Reply

                                                        It sounds like the Supreme Court wants to legislate from the bench.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        Reply#144 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:52 PM EST

                                                        what happen folks you going to let a drug infested liberal take over the vine ..hahjahahaha

                                                          Reply#145 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:53 PM EST
                                                          gutcheck1Deleted

                                                          Democrats must sue to get the newly gerrymandered districts in many states overturned. THAT has become a bigger election scandal than any other.

                                                          Democrats garnered more votes for Congressional seats than the hate-and-fear mobsters, yet the gangsters control Congress?

                                                          Well, the goper gangsters have been warning us about voter fraud for years, and STILL managed to get away with it.

                                                          • 1 vote
                                                          Reply#147 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:03 PM EST

                                                          yes they were asleep at the wheel..they also sleep during local elections we need to tell people local elections are just as important

                                                            #147.1 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:09 PM EST
                                                            Reply

                                                            You should be required to show some type of photo idea to photo. How can we think voting is fair without some type of fair process? You should also be a (legal) citizen of the US, why allow people to vote but not pay taxes? Any person caught cheating or attempting to vote more than once should be band from the voting process. We all need driver license to drive a vehicle but not vote? Goes to show how messed up this country really is that we cant come up with a fair process for all people and all states. Look at ACORN, The Black Panthers and others who ever time election roll around they are caught cheating.

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            Reply#148 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:26 PM EST

                                                            I live in Massachusetts and you only need to give your name and address to vote. No signature or ID. No chance for fraud there..........

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            Reply#149 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:32 PM EST

                                                            It's official....the dead overwhelmingly voted for Obama this year!! Odd...I didn't see that many Obama bumper stickers on tombstones?

                                                            A Mississippi NAACP executive is in jail after being convicted of voter fraud for fraudulently casting absentee ballots, including four for dead people.

                                                            Lessadolla Sowers, who is a member of the Tunica County NAACP Executive Committee, was convicted and sentenced in April for what a judge said were crimes that cut “against the fabric of our free society.”

                                                            She was given a five-year sentence for each of the ten counts of voter fraud for which she was convicted, but the sentencing judge allowed her to serve the terms concurrently, according to the Tunica Times.

                                                            Matthew Vadum, author of Subversion, Inc., notes Sowers’s DNA was found on the inner seals of five envelopes that contained the absentee ballots, and liberal groups like the NAACP and ACORN have had a history of such shenanigans.

                                                            According to Vadum, the NAACP National Voter Fund has done everything from registering a dead man to vote in Ohio in 2004 to filling out fraudulent voter registration cards. In addition, ACORN, the community-organizing group Andrew Breitbart and James O’Keefe exposed aiding actors posing as sex traffickers, has had at least 54 people employed by or directly associated with the group convicted of voter fraud. ACORN has also been banned from Ohio due to its fraudulent activities.

                                                            And while Democrats try to frame voter ID laws as racist and partisan, Vadum notes many prominent Democrats, such as Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar, have successfully prosecuted people for voter fraud, which makes it more difficult for Democrats to argue that voter fraud does not exist and voter ID laws are not needed.

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            Reply#150 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:36 PM EST

                                                            I am I to deduce from the opposition to voter ID laws that liberals in general, and minorities in particular are either too lazy, or too stupid, or both, to get IDs where required?

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            Reply#151 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:16 PM EST
                                                            Comment author avatarWillie Somavia Facebook

                                                            Hey Supreme Court, you didn't hesitate to go behind American's backs and sneakily decide that corporations are people did you, so what's stopping you now?

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            Reply#152 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:18 PM EST

                                                            Yeah. That and The Obamacare decision. Are Unions people as well?

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #152.1 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:29 PM EST
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                                                            If I have to provide proof of health insurance for Obamacare, then ID for voting should be a no-brainer. On the other hand, I can choose not to vote, but the Gov is forcing me to purchase insurance.

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            Reply#153 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:28 PM EST

                                                            Bob10-6414726

                                                            Your a idiot! plain and simple. I have a good idea set up all voting booths on military bases and you have to have a pass and id to get on the base to vote. Stops voter fraud and maybe the military will get to vote and have a say in the elections.

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            Reply#154 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:33 PM EST

                                                            My proposal:

                                                            Get rid of Columbus Day and let's get out of the dark ages. Instead, let's have a holiday for voting - the Monday before the first Tuesday in November. Where to vote and where to turn in our mail in ballot? Drum roll....

                                                            The post office. Look: These guys are federal employees. They've taken an oath already. It's what they do!! Many post offices already have surveillance cameras. I say, give it to them. Everyone knows where the post office is located unless they are severely challenged. Many post offices have secure storage facilities to cram the votes in for safe keeping. Why not? Heck, they need the money and we need the security. Put the poll watchers there. Whatever. Just get er done. Maybe we should extend the holiday... to include the Friday and the Monday before Election Day Tuesday... don't want the post office employees to go postal on us. And with that kind of leeway, we should start seeing our numbers climb to 70 - 82% of eligible voters voting.

                                                            Our postal service is not perfect - nothing is. The point is, they handle mail everyday. They are federal. They can be set up for this with some modifications. This is better than the rat traps we are dealing with now... people standing in line for 6 - 8 hours. With the post office, all you have to do is stand in line for 5 hours... ha, just kidding...joke...

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            Reply#155 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:34 PM EST

                                                            This Elvis character, a real person of interest. To some one! Hopefully someone will accept him or her as a person that can enjoy life and stop acting like a 6 year old child.

                                                            I bet you voted 3 times for Obama!

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            Reply#156 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:46 PM EST

                                                            if i did it only would count as one dumb azz...oh your new on the vine..Elvis Payne is my real name get use to it..dummy

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #156.1 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:06 PM EST

                                                            oh and if i were a child..you would not comment to a child right..are you a pedophile..let me help you in childish talk... bet you votes 3 times for Obama ..dumb azz..bet you did not

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            #156.2 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:09 PM EST

                                                            Three times Vince??? Some people had to fight just to get to vote once.

                                                            Some America we have become!!!

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #156.3 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:51 PM EST
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                                                            The following is from a report entitled The Voting Rights Act at Work 1982-2005 by The National Commission on the Voting Rights Act ...[This Commission was created by The Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights]

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                                                            The continuing impact of the Voting Rights Act can be fully appreciated only by understanding the historical context in which it was passed. From the beginning of the twentieth century, when southern blacks were almost completely disfranchised, until 1965, when many had regained the franchise and others were struggling to do so, key elements of the southern white power structure opposed black voting and ensured continued implementation of the myriad tests and devices designed decades earlier to prevent blacks from casting a ballot. Into the 1960s, black civil rights activists, along with their white allies, were threatened, harassed, jailed, beaten and even murdered as they encouraged and helped black citizens to register and vote.

                                                            Nonetheless, after the Supreme Court declared the white primary unconstitutional in 1944 and the Civil Rights Movement gathered momentum, southern whites, at least the more prescient, saw the handwriting on the wall. They began to prepare for the day when blacks would once again achieve the right to vote. White officials set about changing many aspects of the election systems they controlled in order to dilute the power of the black vote as it became more widespread. These changes were put in place at every level of government in the southern states, in many instances soon after a black was elected to office or came close to winning. Electoral districts were racially gerrymandered or abandoned entirely and replaced by at-large schemes. Majority-vote requirements replaced plurality-win rules. The numbered place system and staggered terms replaced rules allowing single-shot voting. Offices were changed from elective to appointive, or their authority was diminished. Municipal annexations or de-annexations were designed to increase the white percentage of cities' population. In short, black vote dilution was white supremacy's second line of defense when the first line of defense, massive disfranchisement, was breached—as it was in 1965.

                                                            The task of African Americans, who now had at their disposal a new and powerful weapon to secure their voting rights, was thus twofold: to put an end to massive disfranchisement, primarily in the South; and to dismantle the dilutive mechanisms designed to prevent them from electing their preferred candidates. The first task was accomplished, in the main, within a few years of the Act's passage in 1965, as the gap in black-white voter turnout narrowed dramatically. In 2000, the reported black voter turnout nationwide, as a percentage of their VAP, was 53.5 percent; for non-Hispanic whites, it was 60.4. The percentage of blacks who reported voting nationwide in 2000 was thus almost as high as the percentage of blacks registered in 1964— 58.5 percent.318 While efforts to depress the black vote in the South and elsewhere have continued into the twenty-first century, the relatively high black turnout rate is a measure of the Act's success.319

                                                            The attack on black vote dilution—and on minority vote dilution generally, as the Act's purview expanded to include Latinos, Indians, Alaska Natives, and Asian Americans—was slower to gain force. Although both Sections 5 and 2 were used early on by the Department of Justice and private plaintiffs to dismantle dilutive structures not only in the South but around the nation, the battle has been lengthy, and the most dramatic manifestations of it— redistricting—continue to be fought at least once a decade, given the widespread persistence of racially polarized voting. This is not to deny that dramatic progress has been made on this front as well. However, the battle is far from over, and many knowledgeable observers and participants have expressed the belief that congressional failure to renew Section 5, a major bulwark against both disfranchisement and vote dilution, would be a serious step backward. Testimony at the Commission's national hearings in 2005 addressed both problems.

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                                                            To read the complete report click> protecting minority voters - The Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights ...

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                                                              Reply#157 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:32 PM EST

                                                              Although I am not against voter IDs, I was against them being pushed through right in front of the election..Time to work on that is now....As far as affirmative action, I wouldn't want it abolished, but the whole idea should be revisited ...as far as redistricting....I think that is always for the wrong reasons LOL

                                                              • 3 votes
                                                              Reply#158 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:36 PM EST

                                                              as far as redistricting....I think that is always for the wrong reasons LOL

                                                              I agree with you, Ed.

                                                              Political Scientist Bernard Grofman, a noted expert on the Voting Rights Act

                                                              stated that both in the Deep South and in many non-southern states, “black legislative success essentially occurs only in districts where blacks constitute a substantial portion of the electorate. While the pattern for Hispanics is not quite as stark, it is similar.”

                                                                #158.1 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:52 PM EST

                                                                Caltech historian Morgan Kousser, a long-time resident of Los Angeles County whose research—and much of his testimony as an expert in voting cases—has focused on the South, stressed some of the similarities between California and the South. As an example, he cited a suit decided in 1990 in which Los Angeles County was found to have racially gerrymandered its county supervisor districts to prevent the election of Latinos.302 “[T]here are instances like this,” he said, “even in the enlightened state of California, where you have a history of . . . very important and powerful discrimination,” Kousser noted, and then amplified his point:

                                                                It’s also true in Monterey [County]. . . . When Californians think of Monterey County, they think of Big Sur, they think of Pebble Beach Golf Course, they think of Monterey Bay Aquarium. They don’t think of the north county areas. They don’t think of the terrible strikes that we’ve had, the long history of the farm worker—anti-farm worker—violence in Monterey County. They don’t think of the degree of discrimination on the county level in drawing the supervisorial districts. It looks just like L.A. County and it looks just like several southern counties and cities that I’ve worked in. Again and again, they drew boundaries to ensure that Latinos had no opportunity to elect candidates of their choice, and this went through the 1990s. And they abolished local courts to allow only the countywide Anglo-majority voters to elect, then, virtually all whites to the . . . judgeships.303

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                                                                The above is from a report entitled The Voting Rights Act at Work 1982-2005 by The National Commission on the Voting Rights Act ...[This Commission was created by The Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights]

                                                                  #158.2 - Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:56 PM EST

                                                                  Affirmative Action needs to evolve to meet the needs of society today, as with any social policy. You won't see me arguing about that one. Does it need to be abolished? No. The inequities still exist and need to be addressed.

                                                                  I also agree that timing was a huge issue with the voter ID. Difficult to convince people it was not engineered to suppress votes given the timing and the populations most affected.

                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                  #158.3 - Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:21 PM EST

                                                                  On another thread, Clotho wrote-

                                                                  I don't have absolute answers or opinions in this case. On the one hand, the idea of affirmative action is a good and necessary one. Minorities in poor urban neighborhoods do not have the same opportunities. Someone like Romney is born on third base and thinks he hit a triple; someone in East LA is born in the on-deck circle and has to work just to get to bat. If everyone is treated exactly the same way, the rich white people from the good families and private schools will always win.

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                                                                  Here is an excerpt from the U.S. Dept. of Education guidance--

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                                                                  GUIDANCE ON THE VOLUNTARY USE OF RACE TO ACHIEVE DIVERSITY IN POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION

                                                                  U.S. Department of Justice
                                                                  Civil Rights Division

                                                                  U.S. Department of Education
                                                                  Office for Civil Rights

                                                                  Introduction

                                                                  The United States Department of Education (ED) and the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) (collectively, the Departments) are issuing this guidance to explain how, consistent with existing law, postsecondary institutions can voluntarily consider race to further the compelling interest of achieving diversity. This guidance replaces the August 28, 2008 letter issued by ED's Office for Civil Rights (OCR) entitled "The Use of Race in Postsecondary Student Admissions."

                                                                  Ensuring that our nation's students are provided with learning environments comprised of students of diverse backgrounds is not just a lofty ideal. As the Supreme Court has recognized, the benefits of participating in diverse learning environments flow to an individual, his or her classmates, and the community as a whole. These benefits greatly contribute to the educational, economic, and civic life of this nation.

                                                                  Learning environments comprised of students from diverse backgrounds provide an enhanced educational experience for individual students.Interacting with students who have different perspectives and life experiences can raise the level of academic and social discourse both inside and outside the classroom; indeed, such interaction is an education in itself. By choosing to create this kind of rich academic environment, educational institutions help students sharpen their critical thinking and analytical skills.

                                                                  These skills not only enhance academic progress, but also prepare students to succeed in the professional world. The skills students need for success in today's increasingly global marketplace can only be developed through exposure to widely diverse people, cultures, ideas, and viewpoints.

                                                                  Moreover, post-secondary institutions play a unique role in opening doors for all segments of American society, including people of all races and ethnicities. As a result, attaining a diverse student body is at the heart of a university's proper institutional mission.

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                                                                  #158.4 - Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:46 PM EST

                                                                  Here is the link to the above "Guidance" --

                                                                  click> "Guidance issued jointly by the Departments of Education and Justice

                                                                    #158.5 - Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:54 PM EST
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