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ABOARD AIR FORCE TWO - Vice President Joe Biden said Tuesday's election results showed "a clear sort of mandate" in favor of Democratic tax policies advocated by President Barack Obama throughout the campaign this year.
Following a decisive Electoral College victory, Biden suggested Republicans would take some time to engage in "soul searching" on issues like immigration and fiscal policy.
Matt Rourke / AP
Vice President Joe Biden, accompanied by his son Beau Biden, his wife, Hallie and their daughter Natalie, stands in line to cast his ballot at Alexis I. duPont High School, Tuesday, Nov. 6, 2012, in Greenville, Del.
"Barack's re-elected, so this sort of cause to keep a second term from happening is done," Biden told reporters aboard Air Force Two. "He's there for four years. So ... I hope there's going to be some real soul-searching about, on Republican Party, about what they're willing to cooperate on."
Biden said there is "all kinds of potential to be able to compromise" on the looming fiscal cliff but argued that the election results showed "a clear sort of Mandate about people coming much closer to our view about how to deal with tax policy."
Saying that the GOP ticket's defeat among minority groups should serve as "a wake up call" to Republicans on immigration reform, Biden said the time is ripe for compromise.
"I feel very optimistic about, in my view, immigration reform," he added. "Because as we talked about with most of the Hispanic communities I spoke with over the last month, it played a major role [in Romney's defeat.]"
Speaking at the RNC election night headquarters, House Speaker John Boehner says, the renewing of House Republican majority, shows "that there is no mandate for raising tax rates."
Biden, who predicted the strong electoral victory for Democrats, conceded that he did not expect the race to be called as quickly as it was last night.
"It was much earlier than at least I thought we'd know what the outcome was," he said. "It felt good."
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Who wants to take a walk down election 2012 memory lane with me?
Leave a comment of what you thought was the funniest, dumbest, most outrageous moment, etc of this election!
I think the most sobering is the new found respect the MSM has for Nate Silver!
Right up until the polls closed, they kept trying to portray this as some sort of "horse race", they were either flat out lying or are not very good when it comes to averaging polls...
I'm way off message...
Thinking about the folks suffering from the destruction of Sandy and now, facing a Nor'easter.....Is it possible for the Government to contract with Cruise Liners to provide some semblance of a small apartment lifestyle.
It was done during Katrina, or is the Atlantic not suitable?
I still send best thoughts to all!
Sales of Nate Silver's book "The Signal and the Noise: Why So Many Predictions Fail—but Some Don't" on amazon.com are up 800% in the last 24 hours.
Funniest Moments - It's a toss-up...Rick Perry's "OOPS" and Herman Cain quoting the Pokemon movie.
Well it didn't take long for them to talk about raising taxes.
I hope you're all happy that I now have to pay another $2000 a year to pay for Obamacare.
I hope your all happy that I have to find just one more way to cut in order to feed my wife and children
If you think that only the rich will have to pay more you are sadly mistaken
Look for an increase in suicide rates when we just cant stretch a penny any farther.
So many choices, Feisty.....but I think Ryan inviting a discussion/argument about MEDICARE!....
Somehow it never happened, he backed or was pulled back from that quicksand!
OMG! Chicken little is back!
Are you going to lead by example?
Give it a REST!
"Leave a comment of what you thought was the funniest, dumbest, most outrageous moment, etc of this election!
Feisty, way too many to choose! And that's just the photo ops of the various candidates eating corn dogs.....
For most outrageous - how about when Donald Trump said.....oh hell, just about anything!
That has my nomination for dumbest comment. I am glad doubletake posted. All that obsession with suicide these past few days had me worried about him.
My nomination for 2nd dumbest comment.
...and for those interested, we are exactly 1013 days from the opening of the 2015 Iowa State Fair during which we will see the 2015 Ames Straw Poll for the 2016 Republican candidates.
(...and fried butter!)
Don't know if I'm late with this, but Alan West, TeaParty from FL has lost!
Guess he can join Joe Walsh!
...and Samuel "Joe The Plumber" Wurtzelbacher.
@Noid,
Agreed on Rick Perry.
That was priceless.
Respectfully beg to disagree on Herman Cain.
"Uzbeki-beki-stan-stan" made me fall off my chair.
@Feisty,
WOO HOO!
FORWARD!
Doin ...
I RARELY comment on my private life but in this case I will. For all of you and your suicide banter, my twin brother committed suicide, my uncle did, and my ex-husband did as well. I work with the mental health therapists and substance abuse counselors and trust me, we don't banter that word around and find it amusing. I've been reading so many posts the past few days stating the economy will drive the rate up, etc. Do any of you know the stats on suicide? Why more young men? What month, etc.? It's not really something I ever wanted to know.
Feisty, I'll get back to you on your question when I'm not so pissed off! ;-)
Enslaving poor children to clean toilets. - Newt
Love of country made me do it (whore around) - Newt
''I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that's the America millions of Americans believe in. That's the America I love.'' - Mitts quote
Pray the Gay Away in repellent form, marketed as Spray the Gay Away - courtesy of the Bachmanns
Perry's two out of three ain't bad.
All the above are funny, dumb, and outrageous.
I must confess that Michelle Bachman's "chitspa" moment was quite my favorite of the campaign!
I almost forgot about Icky Santorum's "fire down below" problem!
Layton,
Thank you for sharing! I'm as pissed off as you are with all this suicide chatter the last week or so! When you think they can't stoop any lower... along comes another one!
So much ground to cover Feisty! Hello to Noid, Layton, Chilled, Al ... it's been a whole lot of fun reading all of you, and I hope the conversation continues. Funny, wow, so much that was funny was also kind of scary. Funny how so much money really didn't seem to sway people - they'd have been better off giving the campaign cash to charity. Funny, the political jousting for position is already obvious. Most of what was funniest was all you guys posting with humor and solid argument against...well...you know!
yep, just wait until the full time employee becomes a part time employee because his employer says its cheaper for them to go on Obamacare.....and how do they think the government can afford all these extra people on Medicaid.........and wait til they see how much care they get on Medicaid!
You get no sympathy from me, fools!!
@Layton (btw all condolences to you) and Feisty,
I must admit that I'm ignorant as to the "suicide chatter".
Sounds like some sad, desperate folks out there.
I do know that there were many suicides among families of Air Traffic Controllers after Reagan got through with them.
Hey Al in Visalia - Are you telling me you haven't seen the clip of Steven Chu's testimony before congress that the plan is to get the price for gas in the US up to the same price as in Europe?
Hey, folks .... good day.
I may be ready to finally ... after repeated predictions made by some of my Republican friends on this site - how Feisty and many of my true American friends will quit this site after Mitt won ... but I waited until President O is finally re-elected. I suggest that my Republican friends stay on and keep debating and articulating a competitive vision for our future. US constitution guarantees our freedom of speech. Debates are productive...don't get personal.
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so much fun...priceless.
G-Dog & Pigotry,
We're not going anywhere! ☺ I've enjoyed your voices over the months battling the right wing nuts!
There's a pill for that.
That's the truth, Honest Joe.
Joe stood in line to vote while Lyin Ryan ignored the 30 people who were waiting to vote and cut to the front of the line.
The best men won!!!!!!
I've heard that the ointment works better.
ALL CONSERVATIVE, REPUBLICAN, TEAPARTY, INDEPENDENTS, PLEASE READ
PLEASE COPY, RE-POST, SIGN OFF, DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT AND NEVER RETURN
To borrow a phrase from Obama: DO IT FOR REVENGE!
Why argue with these democrats, liberals, progressives, whatever they call themselves?
The best revenge that we can dish out is to close these forums down!
If they have nobody to argue with they’ll soon get tired of kissing each other’s a$$es and leave too.
Take revenge on the lamestream media too like First Read and NBC Politics!
These liberals live for these forums and the best revenge is to take it away from them.
Also stop watching the lamestream media channels. Hit them where it counts, there biased wallets!
Obama would not have been re-elected if not for the protective curtain provided by the media!
Join me in shutting this place down!
I will post these until Friday evening, and I hope you will follow suit.
Friday, I will sign off and delete my account and never return.
Please join me and get just a little taste of REVENGE!
Back to your question, Feisty...
I'd vote for Odd Todd Akin and his 'legitimate rape' comment, or maybe Mourdock and his 'a baby conceived by rape is a gift from god' comment.
Just craaaazy!
@Layton: My condolences to you. There was suicide in my family as well.
Is that a threat...or a promise? ;)
I just ran Doubletake's weepy, incoherent post through my translation software and it came back as "Waaaaaaaaaaah!!!"
I guess we shouldn't be surprised, though, should we?
@ Feisty: I would say anytime The Tan Man shed a tear. I didn't know whether to laugh at him or try to pass a tissue through the t.v. screen.
@Layton: You are in my thoughts. Thank you for sharing.
Red,
For some reason, I think Icky Ricky prefers the "gel"...
Is that a threat or a promise!
KNOCK OFF the comment spamming @!$%#!
PS: I see where Kaybee beat me too it! Great minds and all! ;o)
@doin,
The best revenge that we can dish out is to close these forums down!
Really? You do know about that First Amendment thing, don't you?
btw "Revenge is a dish best served cold."
Folks like yourself got well and truly served last night.
FORWARD!
Promise?
Hi Feisty!
I will respond to your "challenge" by saying this:
Gob Bless the incredible brave soul who taped Myth Robme's 47% comment, and David Corn/mother Jones for sharing it with the rest of America.
. . . . also to the reporter who made Tod Akin's "legitimate rape" comments spread beyond his own state . . .
I am 60 years old . . . I remember back-alley abortions; I remember when Roe was passed; I NEVER thought we would be talking about this again/still, 40 years later . . . and I was not paying enough attention to this issue until Akin's remarks were made public. I would have voted for Obama anyway, but I think all the insane remarks made by knuckle-dragging white males woke a lot of us up.
I am also incredibly grateful to the people of color in this country . . . I am deeply embarrassed by the fear & hatred still coming from my fellow Caucasians;
Finally, God Bless our great president, who has taken "the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune" so graciously, who campaigned with such courage & strength & amazingly good humor.
FORWARD!
:-)
I have to agree with Bali Bod and Noid!
@Noid,
Agreed on Rick Perry.
That was priceless.
Respectfully beg to disagree on Herman Cain.
"Uzbeki-beki-stan-stan" made me fall off my chair.
Second place for Herman Cain was the many renditions of "9 9 9 ". I saw a piece on Jon Stewart where they played about 20 "9 9 9" moments back-to-back from Mr. Cain. Of course nobody does comedy like Jon!
So proud of the young-uns getting out to vote this election season!
I was out making third pass door knocks until 7:00 Tuesday night. Of the 19 doors, I made 12 contacts and all had voted! Many happy faces! Got to love it!
Forward!
After lengthy and careful (ok, not so lengthy and careful) consideration this right of center FR member choses not to be a part of doin a doubletake's dastardly design.
doin'a double take is on a one man mission to close us down. Be afwaid, be very afwaid! I've heard lots of idiotic things all day long on talk radio shows while I was on the road. Some stupid, others rather frightening and cause for concern. More than one unhappy citizen suggested taking this underground stating that it worked well for "those hippy commie liberals" in the past. I guess I don't have to confirm the thoughts that most of us share, but we know somewhere, sometime, someone is going to attempt something stupid. Hopefully I'm wrong, but it's in the back of my mind.
It's been in the back of my mind since 2008.
... BRAVO KJNC BRAVO !
As I am from California, and spent a lot of time in Europe this past summer and fall, I was spared much of the election advertising, which by all reports was pretty ugly. Missed the debates as well, read about them in the International Herald Tribune. Made my decision largely outside the influence of both side's big money campaigns.
I been voting for presidents since 1980 and I think this year was the most difficult decision yet. Being difficult, however, forced me to become more informed and filling out a ballot yesterday was deeply satisfying.
I'm seconding KJNC's comment ... not only his comment about the 47%'rs but the entire post!
Well done!
No
Feisty Redhead -- wasn't it an African-American that indicated there could be violence if O'Bama was re-elected?? We shoot rioters in my neighborhood. Now for O'Bama's so-called positives: O'Bama Care that contains over 20 TAX INCREASES for EVERYONE EXCEPT ILLEGALS (LATINO VOTE GETTER) - illegals not subject to any penalities but they get FREE HEALTH CARE. Everyone will get tax increases at every level, even the so-called Poor. You see the Poorest in America are still a lot richer than other countries. Now maybe Feisty can absorb and additional $2000 tax increase, either she makes a large salary (w/benefits) or expects other to pay her bill like the other deadbeats. Just as Race played a part in his 1st Term, Race played a bigger part in his re-election. He keeps this very easily manipulated ethnic group in his corner by giving them everything for "Free", but nothing is totally free. O'Bama has created a New kind of Slavery to keep people on this side, he calls them entitlements. Those deadbeats that O'Bama pays to sit on their backsides and collect their welfare payments. He's increased Entitlement Programs to the point he is paying people more NOT TO WORK then working. He has them "hooked" with either vote for Me and the Democrats or I'll take away those "FREE ENTITLEMENTS" I'm giving you. What happens when there are not enough people working to pay for those ever increasing entitlements? A Greece style "melt-down" and Civil Unrest is what happens, and it will be coming o the U.S.A very soon thanks to O'Bama. O'Bama started a Revolution in his 1st Term and now that revolution will be in the streets and it won't be nice.
@Joe,
Can't help but notice your spelling of "O'Bama".
Got a bit o' the Irish in ya, do ya?
Barack does also.
FORWARD!
That gel has a code name too - Santorum juice. Frothy, yet effective.
As always, I have no problem with returning to the Clinton-era tax rates, provided budget cuts for the ENTIRE Federal Government (the further they are spread out, the smaller they can be and any exceptions need to be verified before they are approved, something that is highly unlikely to happen with the gridlock gang that just got reelected) are in place first.
One thing's for sure, I DO NOT trust elected "representatives" of EITHER party to do the right thing if given more money, Democrats will give it away to social programs and Republicans will either blow it by giving it back in some form to those who least need it or by increasing the size of a military that's in need of force reductions in some branches and force increases in others.
That is sound advice for Rush Limbaugh, O'Reilly and the friends of Faux News. Please do sign off, self-delete, and never return. There is nothing like drama queens stamping their feet and punching the walls of the corner they are stuck into.
Yes sir, its just a great day to be in this neighborhood. You righys need to live in the fear that Obama gets things straightened out real good and we democrats vote to change the constitution and make him king for life. lolololololololololololol.
Most successful small businesses in this country file their taxes with their individual tax returns. This causes their business revenue to be listed as income. Many of the tax returns that fall in the top tax bracket are in fact small business. If we raise the tax rate for the top tax bracket we raise taxes on small business. That will cause many of these small business, which are having difficulties in this economic environment being profitable, to lose money. If these businesses fail, the result on unemployment will be horrific. With even higher unemployment, the current trillion dollar deficits will go higher as income and social security taxes reducing, and expenses like unemployment, social security, Medicaid, etc going higher. If you only look at the direct effect and not the indirect effect of tax increases, you simply are ignoring the fact that increasing taxes during economically hard times is never a smart move. In 2009 President Obama agree with that when he said “Normally, you don’t raise taxes in a recession, which is why we haven’t and why we’ve instead cut taxes.”
My favorite moment happened during Debate #2 Benghazitopic because it showed 2 things:
1) the real Romney - vicious, arrogant, ignorant Romney. When Romney though he caught President Obama in a lie, he made this evil face and that to me was the real Romney: VICIOUS.
2) How presidential Obama was when said "Please proceed governor." He gave Romney a way out but Romney didn't take it. Romney was going to for the kill and instead, he made a total azz out of himself.
Any pattern here... ever hear of 'cause and effect'?
Bayllie, the "Hey, you sunk my Battleship" moment in the debate was terrific - BUT, there was an online contestant here who deserves honorable mention. Somewhere along the road one of the Romney supporters lamented that Colbert had just lately become more like Jon Stewart and was no longer to be considered a solid Republican - and the poor sod didn't have a clue that Colbert has been making fun of Republicans for years. THAT really was funny!
I think one of the oddest statements was made by Obama, Hillary Clinton and Sandra Rice that the Benghazi thing was a result of a video and not the cause of a coordinated series of attacks by terrorists.
As a side note, now that the news media has reported on the firing of a US drone by Iran on Nov 1, what will Obama do? Will he apologize for overflights or take stronger action.
I haven't heard anything from the administration about this as yet.
"So ... I hope there's going to be some real soul-searching about, on Republican Party, about what they're willing to cooperate on."
Good luck with that one, Joe. I've been searching for the soul of the Republican party since back around the Ford administration.
The soul of the GOP left the party when the Dixiecrats took over. You can still find a hood or two hiding in the closet of many Neocons.
None-the-less, VP Biden is right, now that the incentive to prevent President Obama from getting a second term is gone, and the President does not have to run for reelection, if the GOP wants to be anything except destroyers of America, they will have to come to terms with the President.
The President also has the option of forcing the GOP to do everything he wants. On the looming debt ceiling battle, he can go the Constitutional route. On taxes, he can let everything expire and make the GOP justify spending cuts to give the wealthy tax cuts. On rewriting the sequestration rules, the GOP will have to justify the increased spending AND PAY FOR IT with tax increases or cuts elsewhere.
The President is in the best position to bargain. He really has nothing to lose and everything to gain. His legacy is already secure.
The reality is that the GOP now has to govern, since they can no longer kick the obligations down the road in the hope that they could rule.
Mandate? When we consider the election was based on tossup States and that table was basically swept by Obama ... yes he has a mandate.
Say, Jo Anne, where's that other- um, individual* who uses your name? Probably stinking inebriated and weeping unconTROLLably. (Har! I slay me.) Below I made a reference to Republican 'hostage-takers', and that wasn't even me talking- that came directly from Mitch "Turtle- Boy" McConnell.
I don't see them being able to get away with doing as much of that this go-round, but one thing I'm very concerned about is that we Liberals not get infected with what the Imperial Japanese admirals called the "victory disease"- that is, the belief that we're going to keep on winning and the other side won't be able to stop it. Granted, the Republican rank and file may be shocked and demoralized, but their billionaire paymasters are playing the long game and have all along.
I remember Rachel Maddow, in the weeks following our triumph in '08, doing her segments on "The GOP In Exile." I hope she's learned her lesson, and the rest of us have too; we all thought they were down for the count, and in the very next round they handed us our collective a$$. We need to build on this momentum and not get cocky.
* I'm damned if I'm going to call her a 'lady'.
P.S. To Feisty- I think my favorite moment from the whole sorry spectacle on the Rethuglican side was right after Mitt and Ann's Embarrasing Adventure, when Prime Minister David Cameron and Lord Mayor of London Boris Johnson cut the boorish, gauche colonial off at the knees- my English cousins are still in a class by themselves when it comes to the genteel put-down.
Fox - Love your posts! Keep up the great work. Yertel McConnell comes up for election in 2014. Hopefully the people of the great state of Kentucky (home of the best bourbon) get smart and give him the boot! We were able to keep Sherrod in office and turn away the TP kid.
Forward!
I wonder if Sara Palin can hear Ann Romney crying "its our turn" from Alaska?
I wonder if Ann Couter will write a book entitled “If we nominate Romney we'll lose”?
I wonder if Sean Hanitys "Stop Obama Express" is still running?
Gas just went up 10 cents per gallon today after dropping for the last 6 weeks.
Now that the election is over, I'm sure it will get much higher.
I hope your all happy, because me and my family are not!
Thats BS and everyone knows it.
Really? 1 day before the election gas was 3.39 here, today it went to 3.49
The oil, and gas companies, and speculators have carte blanche now...it's what Obama wanted in the first place.
He wants us paying 9.00 a gallon gas
Where is "here"?
"AAA's Daily Fuel Gauge Report has the nationwide average price of a gallon of regular gasoline at $3.462. That is down from $3.521 a week ago and from $3.818 a month ago. A gallon of regular goes for $3.937 in California and $3.982 in New York. The price remains above $4 a gallon in Alaska and Hawaii.
The Energy Information Agency (EIA) said yesterday it expects lower gasoline and crude oil prices for the remainder of the year, though the cost of diesel, heating oil and natural gas will go higher. The EIA now expects regular retail gasoline to average $3.56 a gallon in the fourth quarter, down from the $3.60 previously anticipated."
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/gasoline-prices-low-despite-post-hurricane-shortages-refinery-closings-2012-11-07
SW Ohio near the Indiana border
Don't know where you are at, but if you are East of the Appalachians, the hurricane, lack of electricity, inability to transfer product and the next storm coming all have contributed to the recent price fluctuations.
Elsewhere in the country, the adjustment to winter blends has had its usual effect of increasing costs, temporarily, until inventories are replenished.
Where are you that gas prices went up? In my neighborhood they went down another 5 cents today (from 3.24 to 3.19). I really doubt my local gas stations lowered their prices in celebration - this is a red state after all, and suffering in the wake of hurricane Sandy.
I think you need a new crystal ball.
The fruit cakes are starting early. Nuts, anyone?
in Mn, gas is $3.19 on Monday and today.
Hey, Double? For the last four years, the Republican Party has held America hostage in a way that was blood-chillingly familiar to those of us who lived through the heyday of international terrorism in the '70s and '80s.
For all of the last four years, and especially the last two, the Greedy Obstructionist Party has blocked, stymied, frozen or thwarted every single measure that this President has attempted or proposed to ease the pain and make thing better for all Americans-not just those who voted for him, but all Americans, because that's what great leaders do.
In all that time, they never offered a single bill to create jobs or offer relief for homeowners; just meaningless, but no less mean-spirited, bills to do with abortion, birth control, prayer in school... but jobs? Forget about it! After all, their mortgages were never in any danger- why on Earth would they care about yours?
Your party, and its followers, were talking about the victims of their speculative bubble economy as though they were lazy, shiftless, parasites, sponging off of the sweat and blood of honest, hardworking citizens like yourself. You were more than happy to throw them, and their children, into the flames in order that those poor over-burdened, put-upon billionaires should not have to pay a single dollar more in taxes.
Despite your best efforts, the social saftey net is intact for you to use; and we'll be there to help you out, with never a word about your eagerness to feed us and ours to the fire, because that's just how Progressives are; it's how we approach the world around us. "There but for the grace of God go I".
But as for me, speaking as a man and not as a Liberal- buddy, you need to just shut the hell up. I won't begrudge you the assistance you sought to deny to everybody else, but I'm damned if I'll listen to your snivelling about how hard-done-by you are. Just stuff it.
Yeah, keep telling yourself how wonderful you are.
foxtrotsky
You are sorely mistaken. The democratic senate would not even pass an Obama budget because of the taxes that were riding on the backs of the bills
And thats why the house didnt want to pass anything. EVERY jobs bill was laden with new taxes
doin a doubletake,
I read one of your other posts on another thread where you say that you (and 15 others) are going to lose your job(s) because of Obama being re-elected, etc., etc. Guess you worked for the Romney campaign, huh?
(Now I see in the post at #4.1 below where you say it's 18 people who are going to lose their jobs where you work. People who don't tell the truth have trouble remembering their lies. . . .)
Then I read some of your other posts. It's all whine, whine, whine. You're like a 5-year-old lying on the floor kicking his feet, exaggerating the heck out of everything you can think of. Why don't you grow up.
Either that, or take some English and other self-improvement classes--increase your self-esteem.
And speaking of English, it's not "me and my family are not." It's "my family and I are not." Basic English. Must be that your current job doesn't require it.
All democrats follow very simple rules these days
1. Never admit anything is ever your party's fault.
2. Deny there was ever a bad democratic president or good republican president
3. Insist they are smarter than republicans
4. Wait until popular opinion votes then side with the majority
5. Pander to the poor and blame the rich
6. Don't talk about gross dollars; speak in percentages.
7. Ignore the BLS 1994 revision that basically halved the unemployment rate.
8. Deny glass steigel repeal had anything to do with the financial crises.
9. Act like there are no people who are lazy or milking the social welfare programs.
10. Make the popular choice even if that isn't the right decision.
11. Deny Obamacare is an increase to the employers healthcare cost
12. Deny tax hikes on couples making 250k or more will effect small businesses and their retention of employees.
Gas is around $3.30/gal here in central Ohio. Lowest it has been in months.
Jack in portsmouth
#1.54 - Wed Nov 7, 2012 6:12 PM EST
You mean from this post?....I said 17 OTHER coworkers and me...That makes 18 just like I said
I dont have any reason to lie about it. I've never seen such vile attitudes like I see here
Maybe YOU should take a little more time reading or develop some better reading comprehension
You are the typical liberal that tries to demean anyone that you disagree with to make yourself feel better
Hey stupid Spinsquad. Yes there were bad Democratic Presidents. One who comes to mind is Andrew Johnson and another is James Buchanan. The Republicans bad Presidents are of course, Dubya, along with Harding and Cooledge just to name a couple. Oh and there is Ben Harrison. Talk about a crook. That guy takes the cake.
You just can't live with the fact that Dubya took this country and, like everything else he has done, screwed it up royally. Is it your party's fault? Not entirely, of course. He is one of yours so accept it and move on. Partiess, unless they make contracts for people to sign or something like that are usually not responsible for the individuals in their parties and their actions. It all depends on what they do whether it is party or individual wrong doing. Taking generalizations personally will only give one ulcers.
Democrats generally are no smarter or dumber than Republicans generally are. However lately with those running the Republican party and those supporting them one can but wonder about the level of intellegence of those several people.
When one lives in a glass house one should not throw pander stones. One side panders to the so called poor, as if they have any power, the other panders to the power brokers with all the money and connections.
One side talks about dollars the other about percentages, an old trick to make one look better when neither is looking good or bad. We all use what makes our case for us.
Where you get points 7, & 8 is beyond me. I haven't seen that at all.
There are people who try to milk the system, true. But, unlike some on the right who think everyone who happens to be temporarily unemployed and needs help in unusually tough times wants to be there or is lazy. The right doesn't have problems with corporate welfare do they?
In a democracy, which some on the right seem to have a problem with, the majority rules. The wisdom of the majority was well written about by founding father John Adams. He, of all people, would know about the wisdom of the majority. The majority may not be perfect or the decision may end up being not as good as one might have expected but the majority of people, for whatever reason, thought it was best at the time. Just like when the Duby crowd duped Congress into thinking Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11 so they would give him money to fight his little vendetta against the guy that, during a rant, threatened, Dubya's daddy instead of going after the real bad guy. That is the one Obama ordered taken out. Remember him? Osama Bin Laden?
The Congressional budget office and several other non-partisan experts have said that Obamacare actually saves money. As it is now insurance companies are not raising rates as fast as before ACA went into efffect. That should improve as we implement more of it in a couple of years.
Most small business people I know keep their business income and expenses seperate from their personal income and expenses. They file an LLP so if the business loses money or is sued they don't lose their house or other personal assets not associated with their business. Anyone who runs a business without this protecton is a fool. As such rarely does anyone who runs a business take home anything over 250K/year. If they do than they are fortunate indeed and should fit into the category of independently wealthy.
I just thought you should know we don't fall for the talking points, rhetoric and pure BS the right shovels to scare people into doing what they want. You are also aware that taxes, both business and personal are at the lowest point in over 100 years don't you? Of course you don't as you are greedy and want even more.
Wow, do some real research if you don't get points 7 or 8.
Your knowledge of small business makes wonder how you can possibly call someone else stupid. Anyone filing for LLP is naturally taxed as a partnership which is flow through to personal on a k-1. You get natural protection in an LLP, hence TD limited liability part. And the small businesses I know of: canning, import, construction, small tool, boutique consulting and the like have adjusted gross income at or above 250k and that is the level of tax increase. Of course here in the metro New York area if you said $250k made you independently wealthy you'd be asked to speak outside.
In a democracy the majority rule. You must have forgotten that we divide a congress into population based representation and equal representation, and that the electoral system is a blend of both. So there's more than enough reason to think that a president should factor popular opinion against other factors like cost and regional bias and fairness. The right choice isn't always the popular choice.
Osama? Over a year had gone by then suddenly he's pronounced found, killed, and gone. Many smart people can debate if any of that happened or not.
And I love when a liberal can admit thee are abusers then in the same sentence must insist all conservatives think everyone who receives is lazy. Shows me that bipartisan cannot work.
Taxes are low and I have a problem when a millionaire doesn't pay a lot. But then raise taxes on the millionaires or come clean and admit its not about being a millionaire.
Oh and your list is a little incomplete. Woodrow Wilson might have been the worst democrat ever if not the worst American ever. And Lincoln wasn't a half bad republican was he?
Obamacare is predicted to save money? Really? Economics professors will have a field day with that one.
Wow Spinsquad ... Happy Birthday! You are brand stinking new as of today and I'm pretty sure you will be gone soon as well. Needed your FR fix or what? Which one are you???? Brian? Will? Kate? whatever ... you'll spin yourself back into the banned zone soon enough.
Layton,
I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not any of those names and don't know what an FR fix is nor a banned zone.
But thanks for the post. I think.
2 heroes to liberals, Michael Moore and Chris Matthews both said Thank God for hurricane Sandy. Don't ya just love it? Americans showed again how stupid they are.
If you are deluding yourself into thinking you are somehow smarter than "Americans", then stop it. It is abundantly obvious that the collective IQ of any room you occupy goes up by several points when you leave. That is true even if the room is empty. Pull yourself together.
My job is in serious jeopardy now, and most of you just sit back and laugh and make jokes
This isn't a joking matter. Real people are going to lose their jobs because of Obamacare and Obamas policies against businesses
My employer is saying that they are going to have to let 18 people go because they need to be under a certain number of employees to get around paying penalties or extra premiums
I'm not sure what number of people they can have without paying
Wow, I feel the concern. Too much like real life for you all?
There's thousands more that will lose their jobs because the only way small/midsize businesses are going to afford to stay open is to get rid of the people over the limits
49 or less.
dd find another job, your boss is a liar or a creep. Good employers have no problems with giving employees health care. And don't give me crap about there being no jobs out there. My company has been trying to hire people for the last month and of the three openings they have only found one person that was willing to work, with benefits.
dd, Who's your employer, Mitt Romney? Do you think people should have healthcare? What if you, or your child gets sick? Real sick. What is your answer to this dilemma? Have different limits on how many workers get health care? Find an employer with a conscience? Have national health insurance ? Play the lottery? Do you really want to compare sob stories with a child with leukemia? Thank your particular God for your good health and find another job. Stop whining. Ask the Koch brothers or Sheldon Addison for a job- they just wasted about 200 million dollars- they should have plenty left over for true believers like yourself. And it never ends does it?
Low income and no income families have always been covered by medicaid
Obamacare is just a tax disguised as healthcare.
What happens when we have a shortage of doctors because of Obamacare?
They are not going to make as much as they did even under medicaid
And there are no other jobs...where are the jobs?
How can there be 20 million people unemployed if there is so many jobs available?
Obamacare is here to stay. Deal with it.
Careful with those sour grapes, Doubletake. You'll get a tummy ache.
Why, I'll be hornswoggled- it's Sailcat! Ain't seen you since the last time! Good to have you back.
I was wondering which of the RWNJs were going to come out from under their rocks today; I don't see the ever-pompous Elliot, Bob in Virginia, or Joe the Albanian anywhere around, telling us all how stupid and wrong we are for insisting that the govenment we live under must display a conscience and a sense of morality.
They're all keeping a low profile (some would say they can't do otherwise!), so the only representative of the Forces of Darkness we get is Doubletake, whining on and on as though he had some sort of legitimate claim on our sympathy, and crying because we're apparently not showing him as much as we ought to.
Once again, buddy- stow it. We're treating you a whole bunch better than your side ever treated any of us when you thought you were the ones holding all the high cards.
Nice to be back, Foxy. I can handle only one obsession at a time, so I took a brief hiatus to cheer my team through the World Series and returned here only to be suspended for not playing nice. Oh well.
Proud to see our president was reelected, though! Very proud, indeed!
Sailcat,
Welcome to the club! lol
Lord knows I have spent a fair share of time in the penalty box!
Tain't no shackles made that can hold the likes of me, Feisty! And this wasn't my first trip to the box, either, by the way! LOL!
This has been a fun ride, hasn't it? Enjoyed all of the give and take here...even with the inbred denizens of the right wing lunatic fringe. I especially enjoyed the grand finale with the Good Guy winning, too!
4.6 they said the same about glass steigel and slavery.
Hi all! <waves> Great to have most all of the GOPers silent! I was getting so tired of all the "negative vibes".
Doubletake, my doctor is thrilled with Obamacare as now he will get paid instead of treating someone who can but won't pay his bill. He volunteers in Doctors Without Borders every year where he gives medical care to people in Latin America for free. He doesn't get reimbursed for that. Here in the USof A he shouldn't have to do it free. But when someone goes to the ER and he's the physician on duty he doesn't get paid when someone comes in who doesn't have insurance. His compassion says that if the person is indigent and cannot pay that is one thing but when they can afford insurance and refuse to get it that is quite another. Obamacare is based on one's ability to pay. The only "tax" is the fine for not having any insurance coverage when one can afford it but simply refuses to get it. Why should I pay for your treatment when you are perfectly capable of paying for your own through insurance or out of pocket.
Rather than slap the fine on people without insurance I would like to see the ACA amended to say that those within the income bracket that should be able to afford insurance premiums but refuse to do so should be able to sign a waver offering up all their assets, whether stocks, savings, house, car or anything else they own but the clothing on their body to pay for medical treatment whether a simple flu shot or months of cancer treatment. Cancer treatment can amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars. I know this because our daughter lost her husband to cancer along with everything they owned. Because he couldn't work they lost their insurance coverage and she was on the hook for it. He passed in 2007 and she's still paying it off.
You must have one unique doctor there. I had wrist surgery about a month ago and at the doctors office the discussion was definitely sour on Obamacare. The common thinking was that employers will shoulder the brunt of the cost and layoffs will mean the brunt shifts to higher income folks like the doctors there.
Even earlier than that my daughter goes to the ER for a virus that was no letting her keep food or liquids down. Before any treatment was rendered we had to show insurance and a credit card. Why the credit card? If insurance wasn't going to cover they wanted to swipe the card to make sure.
I don't hang out at ERs but this felt more the rule than the exception.
Sailcat,
I do ♥ me the thrill rides! lol
*waves* right back atcha Holy Handgrenade!
You have been a fierce warrior in battle! ;o)
You have been a fierce warrior in battle! ;o)
Thanks Feisty! Coming from you that is a great compliment! When it comes to Progressive Ideals, I will defend them with all my might.
I hear Doin is writing a new song with Ted Nuggent - a variation on Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves titled, Pimps, Whores, and Welfare Tramps. You hear it from the people of the town...
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ted-nugent-calls-obama-voters-pimps-whores-and-welfare-brats-20121107
I just had to watch "The Five" on Fox to see how they took President Obama's re-election. I lasted about 10 minutes....what a bunch of seriously unhinged folks....even the guy that is supposed to be the "liberal" on the panel can't speak 3 sentences in a row.
I hear they had to remove all sharp objects from the studio and scan them for firearms. I also understand psychiatrists are on board to ensure mass suicide is avoided. Between takes, they can be heard chanting 'more magic kool-aid'.
So now Doubletake is threatening to boycott this page, to teach us mean, nasty heartless Liberals a lesson? Oh, the horror...
Lord forgive me, but every time he posts another comment, the image that pops into my mind is Alfalfa: "The world has done me dirt! And the world is gonna pay, and pay, and PAY!"
He is threatening something in some post here or you just made that up?
1.25, genius. It takes up the whole screen on my laptop; don't know how you- wait, scratch that. I know exactly how you missed it.
Good laws, Spinsquad! You're a re-reg! You should know the drill by now! And by all means, Doubletake GO already and take your nasty garbage friend posters with you!
Seriously, you should take yourself less seriously.
By re-reg you mean what?
And doubletake seems to be making up at least 50% of the things he writes. Please don't confuse me for him.
Okay, Spinsquad ... I'll leave you be. You must have just registered today for the first time. If that is so, I apologize.
There is no mandate Barry had almost 58 million people vote against him.
Joe is still a moron.
Yertel, is that you?
This forum is one of the best places in this country, to visit! So many intelligent people, helping others. Having spirited debates with the right wing nuts. It just gets better every day! Thank you all, especially feisty, for giving me sooooo many laughs! You guys are the best! Keep up the good work, never let the Rethugs get you down, they are simply not worth it!
Where the hell is No jo? Is No Jo a no show??? Hmmm, what could possibly be troubling her? Oh, i know! Nitwit Mitt lost! She is probably down at the bar, with Bonehead, drowning their sorrows? L.M.F.A.O.!!!!!
Congratulations Mr. President!!! 4 more.
Must be a chuckle to know that you can laugh at any conservative here, regardless of content and you have your liberal chums to yuck it up.
DfromSpencer,
NOJO did check in this morning on First Thought on the first page.
she was talking about being embarrassed to be an American today. She would be more than fine during the next four years. She said she would not be around for a long while.
Her final statement was: she was going to go buy a mink coat!
I kid you not!
Spinsquad, you're not a conservative honey ... you're a re-regged brand-new out-of-the box troll. Just calling it like I see it!
Northstar/DSpence - I would add it is a Mahogany Minx. Apparently she is on a personal mission to find out if ebony and ivory can live together in perfect harmony. She is about 50 years behind the rest of society. There is a name for that - Mid-Century.
Layton,
I am a conservative, fiscally, but a troll? This is a comment section on raising taxes by the Vice Presidents commentary. Trolls would be posting about starting a home based business
Just saying it as it is.....honey.
RedDev,
Mid century is a great style in archtecture,
but in a Jersey woman I would call it Queen Anne, from a former century.
Northstar - If I didn't know better, I'd say that was a great row of British humour!! You sleigh me, with a rail, that is.
Speaking of rows, Brits, architecture, Queen Anne, and the Victorian era, the Painted Ladies are a grand symbol of all the aforementioned. This used to be a bi-weekly drive by on my commute to/from school, simply for the pleasure of seeing them. Thank goodness they were never covered in Faux Fur.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Painted_ladies
Loved the link.
We have some painted ladies in our historic neighborhood called Crocus Hill.
Home to F.Scott Ftizgerald and J.J.Hill in former days.
Furs are very abundant in the neighborhood even today.
@Layton .. my first vote is BrianB, but we do have a lot to choose from.
Wow. Mandate? That didn't take long to get aggressive. So much for any hope of bipartisanship. He should have stopped at "potential to be able to compromise" and left his "my way or the highway" attitude in the past. It's no wonder the other side of the aisle loathes this administration! The right thing to do when you're addressing something so serious as the fiscal cliff, Mr. VP, is work WITH the other side -- not claim that because you barely eeked by in the popular vote that somehow this sends some sort of message to Republicans. This is NOT the time to be teaching each other a lesson! Poorly done. This, folks, is why I voted for Romney. Obama/Biden is a domestic diplomacy nightmare. #fiscalcliff #wheeeeee!
Romney/Ryan 2012 - A Lost Hope (He does have a residence here in CA... we could sure use a turn-around here! Looking for another project to donate your time and talents to, Governor Romney? We could use ya!!)
@NorCal,
"...my way or the highway..."
Got Tea Party?
"Compromise is capitulation."
Got Mitch McConnell?
"Our main goal is to make Barack Obama a one-term President."
Got treason?
It ain't about Party- it's about Country.
FORWARD!
Bob,
Talk is cheap but I see the highlights sum up to: liberals are always right and conservatives are idiots.
So much for bipartisan hope.
@Spin,
liberals are always right and conservatives are idiots
No.
At the end of the day, we are all Americans and must learn how to work together instead of shouting at each other.
FORWARD!
Bob, yep, we have all of those clowns, and now I've got Obama, Biden, and Reid, too. We're screwed!!
The funnies thing for me was that the republicans really really believed if they told the same lies over and over that they would become the truth and people would believe them. Too bad that did not happen. What next republicans, more lies that no one is going to believe.
As far as suicide goes, don't think you are the only one that has to deal with it. Suicide is not really something to joke about however, facts are facts and some people will commit suicide just because President Obama won.
And that is just how far right they have gone. There was only that unreal universe they believe in thanks to so the Kocks, Roves, Hannety and Limdicks of the world. Go talk to them about the suicide rate.
Yes sir, its just a great day to be in this neighborhood. You righys need to live in the fear that Obama gets things straightened out real good and we democrats vote to change the constitution and make him king for life. lolololololololololololol.
We are all Americans. Just think how fast we could row a boat as a team. For 4 years we didn't even make it half-way to where we could have gone, just because half of us were "throwing the game". Instead of getting out of the way, why don't you "ultra-righteous freedom warriors" move your ores in rhythm with ours, and we can show the world once again that we're not only the best and the brightest, but that we are indeed WINNERS!
By the sewer he lived by the sewer he died, thet say it was Obama , But it was Sewercide
Odd, every Republican House member that was elected on a pledge to not increasing taxes are saying the same thing.
Anyone ever noticed how these republicans always bring up Ronald Regan as their gauge for governing. they always fail to mention that the national debt was shrinking under every president after WWII until Regan came in. He cut taxes and increased spending and the debt has been going up since. Clinton got the budget balanced and GW Bush in a position to start retiring the debt. What does he do? Cut taxes, start a war and start an expensive prescription drug program (free stuff program that republicans willingly signed on to). Now they are calling Obama the free stuff president. Anyway what it boils down to; is that instead of paying down the debt, he gave the money back, busted the budget and started the national debt rising again like a runaway train. And that is not blame my friends, that is history.
Considering that there was likely significantly more popular votes for Obama due to the Repub vote suppression efforts, my guess the poli' sci researchers could add a couple more % on to his total votes...in reality probably a 53 to 46 win for Obama, with one percent going to anyone but Romney. Of course the righties will say if they had picked an evangelical protestant like Perry to run, surely they would have the old south rising again to win that 150 year civil war they started. GOP is dead until they split into a sane fraction and whatever you want to call the rest left over. The only reason they kept the House is that the Billionaires/Citizen's United Founders Club (i.e. owners of the US COC, plus China leaders in bed with GOP of course through Bain and vulture world) bought those elections like they did in 2010 with outspending dems by at least 2 to 1, probably much higher in tight race districts.
Taxes, lets see--you are taxed when you earn money, you are taxed when you spend it----does that sound like double taxation to you........Taxes on earned income is at a different rate then taxes on investment income that is why you think Mitt did not seem to pay enough in taxes. ( He paid more then his fair share) I am the lower middle income, but I am so tired of hearing how we should tax the rich more just because they were smart enough to make money...We ll have 24 hours in a day---we all have a chance to make it!!! Thanks to people like Mitt who donate money to charity---glad to see the good he does for people for witch he gets little to know credit.
The only worse possible situation besides have Obama as president would be having Biden. What an a**hole!