"Ryan’s 2012 budget ... As The Hill noted in May 2012, Ryan’s budget called for any disaster relief funding to “be fully offset within the discretionary levels provided in this resolution.”

"In other words, Congress would have to agree on cuts elsewhere in the budget if it wanted to dole out funds after a disaster. This idea was so far out of the mainstream that even Republican legislators abandoned the idea.

Ryan opposed Obama’s efforts to build significant funding for disaster relief into the budget, a move intended to avoid the kinds of DELAYS forced by Cantor and the Tea Party last year.

This is not a new position for Ryan. Long before he entered the political limelight, Ryan was still pushing a similar line on disaster funding."

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/28/1102471/romney-ryan-disaster-relief/

Major newspaper endorsements:

Mitt Romney = 33 (45%)

Barack Obama = 40 (55%)

A new poll released Saturday night by Public Policy Polling indicates President Barack Obama is leading Republican challenger Mitt Romney in Wisconsin by 3 points and in Pennsylvania by 6 points.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/new-poll-shows-obama-baldwin-with-leads-nb7g4jf-177127241.html

Romney paid zero taxes from 1996-2009

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/04/1155381/-Breaking-Romney-Paid-Zero-Taxes-From-1996-To-2009

WTF???

Eric just finshed watching it...

From ThinkProgress;

While the Romney campaign and surrogates defend the misleading ad, Republican House Majority Leader Eric Cantor was not so eager to comment on Sunday. Appearing on Meet the Press, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor did not respond directly, and instead claimed to knew nothing about it when host David Gregory aired the radio ad:

GREGORY: You don’t think that’s a deceptive ad?

CANTOR: David, I’ve not seen the ad. I just heard it now. I’ve not seen the ad. Apparently they are not running it in Virginia.

It is unlikely Cantor missed the ad. The ad has received extensive coverage from newspapers and networks, which led Chrysler to publicly refute it.

Despite criticism, Romney has only expanded the false Jeep campaign.

Pat, WOW

Is this a new breaking story about Romney PAYING ZERO TAXES from 1996 - 2009?

Steve Benen, The Maddow Blog:

* In Ohio, NBC/WSJ/Marist shows Obama ahead by six, 51% to 45%; CNN shows Obama up by three, 50% to 47%; and a Columbus Dispatch poll shows Obama up by two, 50% to 48%.

* In Florida, the NBC/WSJ/Marist poll shows Obama ahead by two, 49% to 47%; but a Mason-Dixon poll shows Romney up by six, 51% to 45%.

* In Iowa, the final Des Moines Register poll, widely regarded as the most reliable of the state's polls, shows the president with a five-point lead, 47% to 42%.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/11/04/14920474-sundays-campaign-round-up?lite

Backhouse, yes - Oct. 29th.

First I've heard of this article from Bloomberg.

THIS IS FACINATING . . . . EVEN FOR PROGRESSIVES . . .

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"ROMNEYISM"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/romneyism_b_2069095.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

The ten guiding principles of Romneyism are:

1. Corporations are the basic units of society. Corporations are people, and the overriding purpose of an economy is to maximize corporate profits. When profits are maximized, the economy grows fastest. This growth benefits everyone in the form greater output, better products and services, and higher share prices.

2. Workers are a means to the goal of maximizing corporate profits. If workers do not contribute to that goal, they should be fired. If they cannot then find other work that helps maximize profits in another company, their wages must be too high, and they must therefore accept steadily lower wages until they find a job.

3. All factors of production -- capital, physical plant and equipment, workers -- are fungible and should be treated the same. Any that fail to deliver high competitive returns should be replaced or discarded. This keeps an economy efficient. Fairness is and should be irrelevant.

4. Pollution, unsafe products, unsafe working conditions, financial fraud, and other negative side effects of the pursuit of profits are the price society pays for profit-driven growth. They should not be used as excuses to constrain the pursuit of profits through regulation.

5. Individual worth depends on net worth -- how much money one has made, and the value of the assets that money has been invested in. Any person with enough intelligence and ambition can make a fortune. Failure to do so is sign of moral and intellectual inferiority.

6. People who fail in the economy should not be coddled. They should not receive food stamps, Medicaid, or any other form of social subsidy. Coddling leads to a weaker society and a weaker economy.

7. Taxes are inherently bad because they constrain profit-making. It is the right and responsibility of individuals and corporations to exploit every tax loophole they (and their tax attorneys) can find in order to pay the lowest taxes possible.

8. Politics is a game whose only purpose is to win. Any means used to win the game is legitimate even if it involves lying and cheating, as long as it gains more supporters than it loses.

9. Democracy is dangerous because it is forever vulnerable to the votes of a majority intent on capturing the wealth of the successful minority, on whom the economy depends. The rich must therefore do whatever is necessary to prevent the majority from exercising its will, including spending large sums of money on lobbyists and political campaigns. The most virtuous among the rich will go a step further and run for president.

10. The three most important aspects of life are family, religion, and money. Patriotism is a matter of guarding our economy from unfair traders and undocumented immigrants, rather than joining together for the common good. We owe nothing to one another as citizens of the same society.

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On Tuesday we'll decide whether these should be the guiding principles of America.

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IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT FOR AMERICA?

HECK NO, VOTE O & JOE! :-)

Feisty, Eric is one of the biggest liars in Congress. And MTP has a reputation as being the place to go to for Republicans when they want to fudge on the facts.

It's why I'll never watch it again. David G. is firmly in step with the GOP establishment in DC.

Pat, This information must go out!

Mitt Romney is CONCLUSIVELY a chronic sheister, crook and liar extraordinaire.

The GOP plan was to cover everything up for as long as possible.

Looks like Harry Reid was right.

And after taligaiting Ryan will run the full length of the field for 4 touchdowns - because he's of course done it before. Just like he ran the marathon is 2 hours and something. This clown has never "tailgaited" before in his life and just wants to get away from all "those people' he has to be around today.

Pat - I keep expecting Eric Cantor to just walk out on MTP and hand David Gregory a check. He's clearly in the pocket of the Republicans!

Obama/Biden 2012 - and let Ryan have all the time he wants to tailgate - from now on!

Great photos out of NH with Presidents Obama & Clinton -

http://theobamadiary.com/2012/11/04/concord/#comments

Backhouse, it's probably too late in the game for this news to do any damage. Those who are going to vote for Romney aren't going to care about this. Republicans rarely care about integrity these days in their candidates, as we have seen.

DAYUM!

Da Bears defense is on FIRE again today!!!!

*WOOT*

Updated for 1:00pm EST on Sunday, November 4, 2012:

*** Mischief alert: Quite a bit of suspect outlier polling favorable to Romney being floated out in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan today in the face of multiple polling which confirms strong Obama leads in each of these states. The Karl Rove axiom of 'shape perceptions to alter outcomes,' perhaps?

Obama's leads have been strengthening in Ohio and Nevada over the weekend and Romney has stabilized his position in both Florida and North Carolina.

Iowa, Colorado, New Hampshire, and Virginia remain in a state of flux with new RCP numbers likely to be released within hours.

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Real Clear Politics (RCP) consistently has been the "go-to" source for accurate averaged daily polling data for both FOXNEWS and NBCNEWS. With less than 35 hours to go in the 2012 presidential campaign, RCP continues to report that Obama leads in eight of their 11 toss-up states with Romney leading in three.

In descending order of 'percentage of lead' in favor of Obama, followed in ascending order of 'percentage of lead' in favor of Romney, here are the published averaged numbers from RCP as of 1:00pm EST together with the most recent FiveThirtyEight election night probabilities of victory for either candidate:

In WISCONSIN, with 10 electoral votes, Obama's lead has fallen to 4.2%, down from 5.0% on Saturday. FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 94.2% chance of victory here, up by 0.9% from Friday and by an astounding 8.5% since Tuesday.

*** It should be noted that RCP's average in Wisconsin has been influenced by an outlier poll from the right-leaning Rassmussen which has the race at a dead heat when four other current polls have Obama leading by 8.0%, 7.0%, 3.0%, and 3.0%. In fact, the 7.0% Obama lead was affirmed recently by another Right-leaning poll (WeAskAmerica) which is wholly funded by the conservative Illinois Manufacturing Association.

In PENNSYLVANIA, with 20 electoral votes, Obama's lead has fallen to 3.9%, down from 4.1% on Saturday. FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 97.3% chance of victory here, up by 1.2% from Friday and by a significant 3.2% since Tuesday.

*** It should be noted that RCP's average in Pennsylvania also has been influenced this weekend by the release of an outlier poll from the conservative Pittsburgh Tribune-Review which has the race at a dead heat when two other findings have Obama's lead at 6.0% and 3.0%.

In MICHIGAN, with 16 electoral votes, Obama's lead has fallen to 3.8%, down from 4.0% on Saturday. FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 98.8% chance of victory here, up 0.4% from Friday and by 0.7% since Tuesday.

*** It should be noted that RCP's average here has been influenced by yet another outlier poll released by Baydoun/Foster (D), a self-described Democrat-leaning voter analytics consulting firm based in Michigan, which has Romney up by 1.0% when four other polls have Obama leading by 6.0%, 6.0%, 5.0%, and 3.0%. In fact, the 5.0% finding for Obama was published late last week by Rasmussen, another Right-leaning poll. The irony is that Baydoun/Foster has consistently produced polling results which favor Republican candidates up and down the ticket in Michigan and their results, by and large, remain highly suspect.

In OHIO, with 18 electoral votes, Obama's lead has settled at 2.8%, up from 2.6% on Friday. FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama an 85.0% chance of victory here, up by 4.3% from Friday and by an astronomical 11.7% since Tuesday.

In NEVADA, with 6 electoral votes, Obama's lead has risen to 2.8%, up from 2.4% on Friday.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama an 89.5% chance of victory here, up by 2.3% from Friday and by an astonishing 9.8% since Tuesday.

In IOWA, with 6 electoral votes, Obama's lead has risen to 2.5%, up from 2.0% on Saturday morning. FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama an 83.1% chance of victory here, up by 1.5% from Friday and by an astounding 9.2% since Tuesday.

In NEW HAMPSHIRE, with 4 electoral votes, Obama's lead has fallen to 1.5%, down from 1.8% on Friday. FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama an 79.4% chance of victory here, up by 0.7% from Friday and by an astounding 9.1% since Tuesday.

In COLORADO, with 9 electoral votes, Obama's lead has fallen to 0.6%, down from 0.9% on Friday. FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 68.1% chance of victory here, up by 2.4% from Friday and by an astronomical 12.7% since Tuesday.

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In VIRGINIA, with 13 electoral votes, Romney's lead has fallen to 0.3%, down from 0.5% on Friday. Interestingly, FiveThirtyEight increased Obama's chance of victory here (and not Romney's) to 71.0%, up by a substantial 6.2% from Friday.

In FLORIDA, with 29 electoral votes, Romney's lead has risen to 1.4%, up from 1.2% on Friday. FiveThirtyEight currently gives Romney a 53.8% chance of victory here, down by 1.0% from Friday and by a stunning 10.9% from Tuesday.

*** It should be noted that RCP's average in Florida does appear to have been hyper-inflated by two recent outlier findings in favor of Romney, the first a 6.0% margin yesterday from the right-leaning Mason-Dixon Group with localized results for only the two cities of Tampa Bay (site of the 2012 RNC) and Miami (Marco Rubio stronghold), the second a 3.0% margin from Gravis Marketing, a polling firm funded in large part by BAIN Capital, and an appreciably older finding by The Sunshine State News, an ultra-conservative website/blog which had Romney leading by 5.0% on October 24. Minus the influences of these extreme outliers, Romney's true lead is likely well under 1.0% and quite possibly closer to that of dead heat.

In NORTH CAROLINA, with 15 electoral votes, Romney's lead is holding at 3.8%. FiveThirtyEight currently gives Romney a 78.7% chance of victory here, down 1.2% from Friday.

So...

In order for Obama to win re-election the least complex route would be through maintaining his current lead in the five toss-up states where his existing margins are widest (Wisconsin at 4.2%, Pennsylvania at 3.9%, Michigan at 3.8%, Ohio at 2.8%, and Nevada at 2.8%). Doing so would bring his electoral vote total on Election Day to 271. In this scenario, Obama could still surpass 270 while failing to hold Iowa, New Hampshire, and Colorado.

However, should Obama fail to hold the strategic prize of a hotly-contested Ohio, the loss could effectively be neutralized by any of the following combination of wins from states where FiveThirtyEight is currently forecasting Obama victories:

Path #1: Obama loses Ohio but holds the remaining three states where he presently leads, New Hampshire, Iowa, and Colorado resulting in 272 electoral votes.

Path #2: Obama loses Ohio but steals Virginia while also taking only one state from among New Hampshire, Iowa, or Colorado resulting in 270, 272, or 275 electoral votes, respectively.

Interestingly, with Romney's lead having diminished significantly in Florida over the past two weeks and with Hurricane Sandy forcefully highlighting the stark contrast between the candidates regarding the value and necessity if not the mere existence of FEMA in a state which has perhaps the greatest dependence on federal storm relief efforts in the nation, a 3rd path has now emerged which could provide for some interesting election night television:

Path #3: Obama comes from behind to win Florida. This scenario would require only that Obama win the three states in which his present leads are widest (Wisconsin at 4.2%, Pennsylvania at 3.9%, and Michigan at 3.8%), resulting in 276 electoral votes.

For Romney to unseat Obama, he not only would have to hold the three states in which he presently leads, North Carolina, Florida, and Virginia bringing his electoral vote total to 248, but also steal victories in at least one of the following possible combinations from states currently leaning Obama, listed in descending order of likelihood based on the reverse engineering of current FiveThirtyEight numbers for election night chances of victory:

Path A: Romney steals both Ohio and Colorado resulting in 275 electoral votes (least unlikely outcome).

Path B: Romney steals both Ohio and New Hampshire resulting in 270 electoral votes.

Path C: Romney steals both Pennsylvania and Colorado resulting in 277 electoral votes.

Path D: Romney steals both Pennsylvania and New Hampshire resulting in 272 electoral votes (most unlikely).

Working against two of these scenarios (Paths A and B) are rising averaged polling numbers over the past two days for Obama in Ohio; however, in that same forty-eight hour period Romney has succeeded in reducing Obama's averaged leads in Pennsylvania, Colorado, and New Hampshire. Perhaps somewhat mystifyingly, the Romney campaign continues to make pronouncements alluding to their having embraced the "Pennsylvania Strategy" included in Paths 3 and 4 above, the two paths which have the least likely chance of success.

So, is this a bold strategic maneuver on the part of Eric Fehrnstrom or a feint designed to counter Obama's anticipated re-allocation of campaign resources to a quantifiably softening political landscape in Florida? If it's the latter, a review of the published travel schedules for the President and key Democrat surrogates in these final two days does not suggest the Obama campaign is taking the bait.

In any event, should Romney fail to steal either Ohio or Pennsylvania he could overcome this shortfall by capturing the four other states in which Obama's current leads are smallest (Colorado at 0.6%, New Hampshire at 1.5%, Iowa at 2.5%, and Nevada at 2.8%) resulting in an electoral vote total of 273.

FiveThirtyEight this morning estimates the chance of Election Day victory for each candidate as follows: Obama 85.1% (up significantly from Friday morning's 80.9%) and Romney 14.9% (down by a similar margin from Friday's 19.1%).

FiveThirtyEight now also projects that on Election Day the final electoral tally will be as follows: Obama 307 (up 8 from Wednesday's 299) and Romney 231 (down 8 from Wednesday's 239).

Lastly, although it makes no difference in terms of the final result which can only be determined by the Electoral College, FiveThirtyEight currently predicts a national popular vote distribution on Election Day as follows: Obama 50.6% (up from Thursday's 50.4%) and Romney 48.3% (down from Thursday's 48.6%).

With only 35 hours of campaigning left, and with Friday's published October jobs report playing to predictably mixed reviews (economy adding more jobs than expected; unemployment rate ticking up one tenth of one percent to 7.9%), holdout voters may now be left to nothing more than the proverbial 'feel in their gut' as Tuesday approaches.

Don't forget to stock up on the 7-layer dip for an exhilarating night of television on Tuesday!

Pat,

It is a question of the truth, and it really should be mainstream news. Salesman Romney is a compulsive and pre-meditated liar - both.

Just saw your post below Amy ----- totally agree.

Romney paid ZERO taxes for thirteen years and we are only finding out NOW???

Worst media coverage of an election ever....this should have come out during the Republican primaries - Romney would never have been nominated! No wonder Jeb Bush refused VP slot...he knew, he knew. McCain must have told him, and maybe Christie.

Feisty - our defense is unbelivable!!!! Urlacher just scored a touchdown on an interception! And his knee is still bad! OMG!!!

Obama/Biden 2012

Ryan will stop by in MN and do a "victory " rally in an airport hanger owned by Sun Country Airlines tonight.

Word has it that Ryan will leave Congress and become a lobbyist... his political captial was all spent on this ticket.

SeekingSanity, I don't watch MTP and I don't miss it either.

I was watching CSPAN this morning and there was an author on asking if voters were stupid. He said the American voters historically are susceptible to propaganda and haven't the desire to look for the truth. There is so much lying going on and your average voter can't tell the difference between truth and lies.

He gave as an example the Iraq War. GWB's popularity went way up after 9/11 and the Bush Admin. then used that popularity as manipulation to sell the American people a war in Iraq.

None of which would be possible without the help and assistance of the inside the beltway crew.

Although deplorable for both parties.

Final Fact Check - Who Tells the Truth More

From politifact.com. Counting as true, statements rated as true or mostly true.

Romney = 62 true or mostly true statements out of 202 checked statements

Romney tells the truth 30.6% of the time.

Obama = 205 true or mostly true statements out of 452 checked statements.

Obama tells the truth 45.3% of the time.

Don't believe me go to politifact.com and do the math yourself.

Pat Boston - The Bush debacle is just so disgusting. And, you know they're planning to run Jeb in 2016. My gosh - if anyone EVER votes for another Bush they need their heads examined.

I only watched MTP because they were talking with a few people this morning I wanted to hear from. I can't stomach David Gregory - he's NO Tim Russert and is about as dishonest a "journalist" as anyone I've ever seen!

Obama/Biden 2012

"MITT ROMNEY'S CAMPAIGN INSULTS VOTERS"

JUST A SMALL SAMPLE HERE - YOU SHOULD READ THE WHOLE THING:

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". . . And then there has been his chronic, baldly dishonest defense of mathematically impossible budget proposals. He promised to cut income tax rates without exploding the deficit or tilting the tax code toward the rich — but he refused to say how he could bring that off. When challenged, he cited “studies” that he maintained proved him right. But the studies were a mix of rhetoric, unrealistic growth projections and more serious economics that actually proved him wrong.

This last is important — maybe the crux of the next four years. History has shown that it’s a lot easier to cut taxes than to reduce spending. Republican presidents Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush promised to do both, managed to do only the first and (with plenty of help from Congress) greatly increased the national debt.

Now Mr. Romney promises to reduce income tax rates by one-fifth — for the rich, that means from 35 percent to 28 percent — and to raise defense spending while balancing the budget. To do so, he would reduce other spending — unspecified — and take away deductions — unspecified. One of the studies he cited, by Harvard economist Martin Feldstein, said Mr. Romney could make the tax math work by depriving every household earning $100,000 or more of all of its charitable deductions, mortgage-interest deductions and deductions for state and local income taxes. . . ."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mitt-romneys-election-campaign-insults-voters/2012/11/02/69fcc1fc-2428-11e2-9313-3c7f59038d93_story.html?hpid=z2

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VOTE O & JOE . . . WE KNOW WHERE THEY STAND!

If the article proves Romney paid no taxes, President Obama/Bill Clinton/Joe Biden will use it. If the articles proves no such thing, they will stay silent on it.

Either way, I don't think it matters. Too late.

But I do want to know why Romney refused to release his taxes. What is he hiding exactly? What was he hiding in his Gov of MA records? What was he hiding with his Olympic records?

Guess we'll never know. He won't talk to the press.

He won't even talk to The View ladies.

I'm calling Ryan out as a little Creep in a empty suit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why does he still have on his" Eddie Munster" costume ?

It used to be called voodoo economics. The give away to the rich with supposed trickle down effects has been shown to be complete bull$#!&. Romney's economic plan is merely smoke and mirrors.

Here's what the non partisan Congressional Research Service has to say about cutting taxes to increase revenue. (Summary below)

Throughout the late-1940s and 1950s, the top marginal tax rate was typically above 90%; today it is 35%. Additionally, the top capital gains tax rate was 25% in the 1950s and 1960s, 35% in the 1970s; today it is 15%. The real GDP growth rate averaged 4.2% and real per capita GDP increased annually by 2.4% in the 1950s. In the 2000s, the average real GDP growth rate was 1.7% and real per capita GDP increased annually by less than 1%.

There is not conclusive evidence, however, to substantiate a clear relationship between the 65-year steady reduction in the top tax rates and economic growth. Analysis of such data suggests the reduction in the top tax rates have had little association with saving, investment, or productivity growth. However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution.

The share of income accruing to the top 0.1% of U.S. families increased from 4.2% in 1945 to 12.3% by 2007 before falling to 9.2% due to the 2007-2009 recession. The evidence does not suggest necessarily a relationship between tax policy with regard to the top tax rates and the size of the economic pie, but there may be a relationship to how the economic pie is sliced.

Romney's whole economic platform is refuted by these findings, there is no way his tax cuts will bring the economy back. Senator Mitch McConnell (R) blocked the release of the Report. It surfaced again in the Nov 1 2012 New York Times.

http://dbcc.senate.gov/files/documents/CRStaxesandtheeconomy%20top%20rates.pdf

Breaking News: Romney paid zero taxes from 1996 to 2009.

Thank you, Pat in Boston for the link. Harry Reid was right!

If Republicans had known this during the primaries, would they have nominated Mitt? Is this why they had to get a sacrifical lamb like Kid Ryan to run as VP? The experienced Republican leaders would have known this, because MCCain asked for 12 years of returns to vet Romney for VP back in 2008. McCain would have warned Gov. Chritie, Jeb Bush and other stars to steer clear of the VP slot.
Too bad nobody told the Republican primary voters.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/04/1155381/-Breaking-Romney-Paid-Zero-Taxes-From-1996-To-2009

He won't even talk to The View ladies.

The funniest part is he isn't man enough so, sacrificed Queen Annie to those "sharp tongued ladies"! lol

Paul Ryan: part of the problem.

Any opinions on Ryan's chances of retaining his House seat? Is it possible that Wisconsin voters in his home district may choose to vote against him at the national level, only to support their native son at the district level as a form of....contrition?

Feisty? Ed?

Buelller.........Bueller...........Bueller?

Cornhole? Hope that the word has a different meaning today than it did when I was a kid.

OBAMA IN 2 MORE DAYS.

CLINTON ENDORSES ROMNEY!

In an interview with CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," Bill Clinton, a top Obama surrogate who is set to raise cash with the president next week, directly contradicted Democrats who have attacked Romney's business record, suggesting it does qualify him for president.

"I think he had a good business career," Clinton told guest host Harvey Weinstein, a movie mogul who is one of Obama's top fundraisers. "There's no question that in terms of getting up and going to the office and, you know, basically performing the essential functions of the office, the man who has been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold."

Adding that he has "friends" in the private equity business," Clinton suggested it was dangerous for Democrats to go after Romney's record at Bain Capital—adding that in private equity, "like everything else you try, you don't always succeed" in saving companies or making them more productive.

"I don't think that we ought to get into the position where we say this is bad work," Clinton said. "This is good work."

Thank you Bill Clinton, your endorsement proves Romney is the right choice for America.

Greed isn’t someone wanting to keep more of what they earn, its people demanding a greater share of money that someone else has earned.

I'll vote for anyone who will try to improve my standard of living ...without destroying someone else’s!

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

NOTE: Liberals/Progressives remember to vote on November 7th.

Any opinions on Ryan's chances of retaining his House seat?

MSNBCMFE,

I don't have my ear to the ground on what's happening up there. All I will say is how sweet would it be if Lyin/Ryan was out of work compliments of Willard?

I can report, Tammy Duckworth maintains a 10 point lead over the dead-beat daddy Joe Walsh here in my district!

PS: Thanks for the reminder on the 7-layer salad - a most excellent snack idea to accompany the election returns! ☺

Finality the IRS is going to start Investigating Romney's Tax Returns from 1996 to 2009, it's about time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JimSpence - there is NO endorsement that proves Romney is the right choice for America. And, as much as you hate him, if Bill Clinton could run again he would STILL wipe out any Republican candidate! So go whine somewhere else!

Feisty - good to hear about the Duckworth lead. I just want Walsh to go away - far, far away. He's a disgusting excuse for a man!

Obama/Biden 2012

Pat,

Never too late. Election Day is on Tuesday.

He's a disgusting excuse for a man!

Seeking,

Have you seen his latest ad where he drags his oldest son out to lie through his teeth for his old man?

I'll take the Circuit Court's word over his kids!

@Pat Boston:

Great link to a finding on Romney and his taxes. I believe the headline may be a bit misleading. While it is clear that Romney paid 0 taxes on this tax loophole allowing him to avoid paying taxes on millions while still earning income, I'm not sure it translates to 0 tax liability for those years. That being said, we can only assume that this is one of many tax evasions used by Romney that he did not want disclosed, and was hiding from the American public by refusing to publish his tax returns.

Is it a credibility issue this late in the campaign - probably not. Romney voters have already seen how deceptive Romney is, and they have made it clear they will vote for a deceptive leader over Obama. Conservatives proved this when they elected Bush for a second term, even though he lied through his teeth over the WMDs in Iraq. Hell, if Nixon hadn't resigned, they would have re-elected him as well. To hard right conservatives, a strong moral compass is a weakness.

Amy B., Feisty, Patriotic American, Seeking Sanity, Pat, and the rest of the Dem posters here...

You've been an inspiration.

Let's hope that all voters are allowed to vote on Election Day and that all votes are counted, especially in Ohio where the outcome is in real danger of being hijacked.

See you on the other side.

Backhouse -- Sandy was the October Surprise, following the RNC postponing their convention due to extreme weather. Sandy proves climate change science, per a report over two years ago predicting exactly what has happened in the North East.

The comments Romney made about FEMA are idiotic, but his snark in his speech saying "President Obama promised to begin to slow the rise of the oceans" are just more proof of Romney's tragic incompetency. The anti-science rightwing Flat Earth society is what will doom us all.

The mind-bending remarks by Rush Limbaugh showing his stupidity about birth control, which he confuses with his Viagra that he takes each time before sex (sorry -- disgusting, I know), on to Todd Akin's quackery about how women can't get pregnant from "legitimate" rape, and Mourdock who believes God makes women pregnant -- Paul Ryan believes these things, and Romney who has no core is controlled by these Puritans who want to go back to the days of the witch trials.

But Romney's taxes -- Too bad this wasn't out before early voting, and too bad it isn't breaking news on every outlet including FAUX Noise!

Romney Avoids Taxes via Loophole Cutting Mormon Donations

NOW IT IS OUT! Romney paid ZERO taxes from 1996 – 2009

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-29/romney-avoids-taxes-via-loophole-cutting-mormon-donations.html

This is not so much an October Surprise as it is the October Inconvenient Truth proved at the last hour.

These Republican jagoffs will suppress not only the vote, but FACTS like the urgent need to start preparing for extreme weather disasters, or the Congressional Research Service Report that proves tax cuts for the rich only creates more inequity and therefore actually damages the economy.

They suppress science like climate change because it proves the important role of government. Anyone who thinks the private sector is going to protect us is crazy -- The rightwingers in Big Oil and Wall Street will do just the opposite, with Romney the Plutocrat leading the way.

Wake Up and "shut the whole thing down" -- Vote a straight Democratic ticket. Save yourself, save your children, save this great nation. Obama/Biden 2012, Hillary Clinton 2016!

I'll vote for anyone who will try to improve my standard of living ...without destroying someone else’s!

And yet this is the very essence of vulture capitalism .. destroying someone else's standard of living to pocket the gains for personal use. That is Romney, that is Ryan.

tail..gating...what tail: pigtail?? greedy corporations and their GOP minions....greedy pigs...

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another tail (tale?) from the election -- Dems will keep the Senate and retake the House with the coattail effect when the DEM President is re-elected.

Feisty - how low can any candidate stoop? Walsh parading his son out to lie for him is just so Republican. And, his son probably doesn't know any better. I'm sure his father told him he paid everything on time and that everything else was just a lie. Typical Republican - never heard a lie they didn't want to tell!

Obama/Biden/Duckworth! 2012

Mitt Romney bet big on Paul Ryan's ability to carry the state of Wisconsin for him. It doesn't seem like that bet is going to pay off.

Make it easy voting on Tuesday. Straight Democrat. You're out it under a minute. Just don't slough it off because you're too busy or don't want to wait in line. Do yourself and your party a favor.

VOTE NOVEMBER 6TH FOR BARACK OBAMA, JOE BIDEN AND THE REST OF THE DEMOCRATIC TICKET!!

Show these classless morons they cannot buy or steal this election from us.

See you on the other side.

Can't wait!

I forgot to mention how much I appreciate you keeping us current with Nate's numbers! ☺

Dumbfux whined:

Despite criticism, Romney has only expanded the false Jeep campaign.

Meanwhile back at the farm.... Despite criticism, Obama refuses to talk about Benghazi even though more proof is coming out that there were cries for help, a drone video sent in real time, AC-130 Hercules on station, and orders to stand down. Obama keeps to his story that the uprising was caused by a YouTube video and 6 weeks after the event, they will investigate it someday, just wait until after the election so he can keep the deception alive.

Obama's new motto - Revenge!

I was reminded of this quote by John Adams at the Obama Diary yesterday. And this quote is the essense of who President Barack Obama is.

“Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men.”

__________

For every republican you see on tv, please remember when you vote that they believe in the exact opposite of Adams' words. They are in this for themselves. They hide behind the word "conservative", yet that is not who they are.

They don't care who makes it and who doesn't. So long as they personally do. "Conservative" to them means all of us getting by with less while at the same time, all of us paying for their tax cuts.

MSNBC - see you on the other side

Can't wait. Just hours away.

RedDev, I agree with your conclusions on the article. Misleading headline and even if it was proven true, it wouldn't matter to his supporters.

Democracy and fairness means nothing to them.

"For Pete's sake" you rightwingers are anti-intellectualism to the point you can't even use a dictionary. There's probably some conspiracy theory about Webster that was distributed via Email. Enough!

It's been long past due that a few of you rightwingers should be told...and I'll try to say it as nicely as possible...oh never mind, you are idiots!

tonybeeerm

Make it easy voting on Tuesday. Straight Democrat. You're out it under a minute. Just don't slough it off because you're too busy or don't want to wait in line. Do yourself and your party a favor.

VOTE NOVEMBER 6TH FOR BARACK OBAMA, JOE BIDEN AND THE REST OF THE DEMOCRATIC TICKET!!

Show these classless morons they cannot buy or steal this election from us.

Who's a classless moron tonybeeerm? If you are referring to Obama and Bengazhi, I will agree with you wholeheartedly. How can the president of the United States keep backing off on explaining how he lied to the world? How can he keep avoiding it because he thinks if he does, he won't get elected... Lies have a way of catching up with a person... Liberals don't think Obama has done anything wrong... We shall see on Tuesday when he faces the gauntlet of angry voters...

CHRYSLER CONSIDERS MOVING JEEP OFFSHORE!!!!!

Well it appears that the taxpayer bailed-out Chrysler is looking back and now considering cutting costs by shifting production of all Jeeps to China, which has a strong desire for Jeeps.

In a Bloomberg interview, Jeep's president said the automaker plans to restore Jeep production in China, suspended in 2009, and is considering making all Jeeps in China. "Fiat SpA, majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers' operations in the region," reported the business wire service.

Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia and president of the Jeep brand, told Bloomberg, "We're reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity" as well as "should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio" to China.

Chrysler builds Jeep SUV models at plants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. Manley said the firm is in talks with China's Guangzhou Automobile Group Co.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2511703#.UIlutq5eJ2K

Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region.

Fiat is in “very detailed conversations” with its Chinese partner, Guangzhou Automobile Group Co. (2238), about making Jeeps in the world’s largest auto market, said Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia. Chrysler hasn’t built Jeeps there since before Fiat took control in 2009.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-21/fiat-says-china-may-build-all-jeep-models-as-suv-demand-climbs.html

In another potential blow for the president's Ohio reelection campaign, Jeep, the rugged brand President Obama once said symbolized American freedom, is considering giving up on the United States and shifting production to China.

Such a move would crash the economy in towns like Toledo, Ohio, where Jeeps are made and supplied, and rob the community of the economic security they thought Obama's auto bailout assured them.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/10/25/chrysler_alive_but_jeep_about_to_shift_production_to_china

Michigan, 22 Oct. (AKI/Bloomberg) - Italian car gian Fiat, which controls the Chrysler Group plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region.

Fiat is in “very detailed conversations” with its Chinese partner, Guangzhou Automobile Group Co. (2238), about making Jeeps in the world’s largest auto market, said Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia.

Chrysler hasn’t built Jeeps there since before Fiat took control in 2009. “The volume opportunity for us is very significant,” Manley, who is also president of the Jeep brand, said in an interview at Chrysler’s Auburn Hills, Michigan, headquarters.

“We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity” as well as “should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio.”

Chrysler, which entered an alliance with Turin, Italy-based Fiat as part of its US-government-backed bankruptcy, is relying on growth in China to counter weakness in Europe’s auto market. The carmaker is targeting 500,000 annual sales outside North America by 2014, more than triple its overseas deliveries in 2009.

http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Aki/English/Business/Asia-Fiat-says-China-may-build-all-Jeep-models-as-SUV-demand-grows_313817399262.html

Greed isn’t someone wanting to keep more of what they earn, its people demanding a greater share of money that someone else has earned.

I'll vote for anyone who will try to improve my standard of living ...without destroying someone else’s!

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

NOTE: Liberals/Progressives remember to vote on November 7th.

Heads Up Everybody

Lawrence O'Donnell is on @ 4:00 this afternoon.

TruePatriot-445959

"For Pete's sake" you rightwingers are anti-intellectualism to the point you can't even use a dictionary. There's probably some conspiracy theory about Webster that was distributed via Email. Enough!

It's been long past due that a few of you rightwingers should be told...and I'll try to say it as nicely as possible...oh never mind, you are idiots!

A true idiot places all their faith and trust into Obama who cares not a whit about you or your family.

Hahaha, I can always count on certain rightwingers for a good laugh. And I know my post hit it's mark.

TruePatriot-445959

Hahaha, I can always count on certain rightwingers for a good laugh. And I know my post hit it's mark.

Liberal speak for - I was challenged and I lost.

JimSpence - why are you continuing to post what everyone who has a brain knows has been debunked by Chrysler? The Chairman of Chrysler is calling Romney/Ryan out for their total lie in their commercial. There are NO plans to take all production to China - just the production for Jeeps that will be sold in China - which is a requirement.

When all you have on your side is lies - it says everything about the candidate you back - you know, the one who didn't pay ANY TAXES through 2009!

True Patriot - you're always going to outsmart Brianb - he can't see past his innate hatred for Obama.

Obama/Biden for Intelligent Americans Jim Spence will of course vote for Romney!

HAHAHAHA!

Turn off the lights... the parties over!

Crawford starts by noting the change in disposition of Mitt Romney’s wife Ann: “Delivering a basket of baked goods to the press on the campaign plane this morning before takeoff for Iowa, Ann Romney – normally relentlessly sunny and confident – appeared emotional, almost vulnerable, as she reminisced about the all consuming campaign and reflected on its uncertain closing days.

That’s wholly understandable – the toll these campaigns have on candidates and their families are horrendous.

But what’s more telling are a series of quotes from Romney campaign officials. Again, there are the normal caveats about the private polling showing their man holding onto a tight lead.

But then we get this: “At a rally this morning in New Hampshire, I asked a senior Mitt Romney campaign adviser what the campaign had planned in the final crucial days. His answer was swift. 'Praying'.”

And this: “One adviser this morning was even more candid: "I'm not saying (Mr. Obama) is definitely going to lose."

And finally this: "We're the challengers. We always knew we could lose," one aide told me here in Dubuque. "They [the Obama camp] never contemplated they could lose."

Mitt Romney’s lost the election. His own campaign team is starting to admit that to the world. Perhaps more importantly, they’re starting to admit it to themselves.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/danhodges/

GET OUT AND VOTE ON 11.6.12 & GIVE 4 MORE FOR 44!

Despite criticism, Obama refuses to talk about Benghazi even though more proof is coming out that there were cries for help, a drone video sent in real time, AC-130 Hercules on station, and orders to stand down.

Oh dear - sounds like BrianBDumfux has some reading to do on Benghazi. Could it be that ongoing intelligence efforts require the Obama Administration to hold back releasing details for a GOOD reason? Let me guess, ole BrianB thinks all intelligence (oxymoron there folks) operations should be cleared through him prior to execution - afterall, he believes he and the other Benghazi-braindeads are the all knowing authority on intelligence and diplomatic relations.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/02/benghazi-media-news-cia-request_n_2066651.html

tony, leaving my house @ 6:45AM to vote. Polls open @ 7:00 and it's only a block away from my house. If it takes ALL day to vote, I will wait ALL DAY to vote.

Our office has already told us - better to go vote in the morning and if you're late for work - no worries. Just make sure you vote.

Seeking,

Meet the Press stacked the show with republicans again, and yet the right wing keeps screaming about liberal bias. What a crock.

Feisty, great find!

And there is this as well:

But in Ohio - perhaps the single most crucial swing state and where 18 electoral votes are at stake - Obama had 48 percent compared to Romney's 44 percent. On Saturday, Obama was ahead in Ohio by a point in the same poll.

"It's really a game of inches. It's extremely close, but things look pretty optimistic for Obama, I would say, if you do the electoral math," said Ipsos pollster Julia Clark.

"Looking over the last few days, Ohio does seem to be more comfortably on the Obama side."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/04/1155450/-Reuters-Ipsos-Poll-OH-O-48-R-44-LV-Ohio-more-comfortably-on-the-Obama-side

SeekingSanity -- The ads with Joe Isuzu as Romney are right on.

I understand self-serving lies from Romney for more money, fame, and power -- though disgusting. But the rightwing supporters who fall for it -- This is actually a very sad commentary in regard to our society. We are not teaching our children basic critical thinking skills, along with the scientific method including research methodology. Otherwise folks would be able to discern between fact and fiction, what's credible and not credible, truth versus lies, and what is in their own best interest.

In the meantime, I don't want to read too many of these rightwing posts for fear it will dumb me down too.

ED-2874315 -- Agreed. I won't watch MTP live anymore. I stream it on-line and skip past the rightwing propaganda.

OBAMA’S JOBS COST $200,000 EACH AND ONLY PAY $25,000 EACH.

60% of the jobs lost were good mid-wage paying jobs, 58% of Barrack Husseins jobs are low-wage jobs replacing them.

Forward?

Seems more like REARWARD!

Obama aide explains 'voting is best revenge' comment.

Obama cites gains of more than 5 million new jobs since he took.

Hmmmm, 5 million jobs.

We The People are on the hook for the $863 billion $timulu$. Remember, this is borrowed money. For this "investment" we have allegedly been blesses with these 5 million jobs. Simple math shows this has cost us over $200,000 per job. If this isn't enough to outrage you about Keynesianism, you are hopelessly indoctrinated.

Now, let me educate you about what types of jobs your $200,000 investment are being created.

Although six in 10 jobs lost during the Great Recession paid mid-level wages, the majority of new jobs created in the recovery -- positions such as store clerks, laborers and home healthcare aides -- pay much less, according to a new study by the National Employment Law Project.

The study covered jobs created from the first quarter of 2010 through the first quarter of 2012.

Lower-paying jobs, with median hourly wages from $7.69 to $13.83, accounted for just 21% of the job losses during the recession. But they've made up about 58% of the job growth from the end of the recession in late 2009 through early 2012.

Those jobs have been concentrated in three industries: food services, retail and employment services, such as office clerks and customer service representatives, the study found.

In contrast, mid-wage occupations with median hourly wages from $13.84 to $21.13 -- jobs such as construction workers, real estate brokers, and data entry clerks -- have accounted for just 22% of the new jobs in the recovery after making up 60% of the job losses in the recession.

So, we're paying $200,000 to create jobs making $25,000 a year. I'm not an economist but it would seem like our return on investment isn't very good.

THESE ARE THE "GREEN SHOOTS", THE "RECOVERY SUMMER" AND WHAT "FOCUSED LIKE A LASER" GIVES US.

Greed isn’t someone wanting to keep more of what they earn, its people demanding a greater share of money that someone else has earned.

I'll vote for anyone who will try to improve my standard of living ...without destroying someone else’s!

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

NOTE: Liberals/Progressives remember to vote on November 7th.

I've been saying it all along, it's 2004 redux...

As the incumbent gains in the RCP averages to move even closer to the 2004 parallel...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/election_2012_vs_election_2004_eight_years_ago_today.html

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It may actually be identical by Tuesday...

Both challengers are within 1/10 of one percent (Kerry 2004-Romney 2012)

and the challenger hasn't led in a single GE poll since Gallup stopped polling last week (10/28)

I've been saying it all along, it's 2004 redux...

How many pats on the back are you seeking?

Full of yourself... much?

Pat Boston,

In MN, every worker has a right to take time off on election day to vote. It is the law.

True Patriot,

Love your use of the phrase: an inconvenient truth" .

The GOP can all be flat earthers, but Mother Nature is a woman who will not be scorned.

it is now hours until I go to the polls and vote straight Democratic ticket. Yahoo!

Just when I think the sycophant on this network cannot get any worse

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/11/04/nbcs_savannah_guthrie_hurricane_sandy_handed_to_obama_seemingly_from_above.html

Savannah, sweetie- come down to Jersey and have a little look for yourself- then tell me God sent the hurricane to get Obama elected.

Better yet, tell that to the dwindling numbers watching the Today Show- you're sure to swing a few votes.

This from the network that doesn't want to touch Bw ghazi with a ten foot pole. . .

People in line in FLA to vote are having their cars towed. And now Think Progress is reporting this!:

In response, Republican-affiliated election officials in Miami-Dade have effectively extended early voting from 1PM to 5PM today by allowing “in-person” absentee voting. But this accommodation will only be available in a single location in the most Republican area of the county.

President Obama was right - the best revenge is to go out there and VOTE!

nojoe

The candidate hasn't touched Benghazi with a ten foot pole for weeks. His "blackout" is far more curious than any dearth of coverage from those who you insist are trying so hard to avoid it.

What is the candidate's reason for being so Benghazi-shy?

When was the last time either Rep. Ryan or Governor Romney was quoted about Benghazi?

That should tell you something.

The President said that he would bring the nation together. That did not work.

The President said that he could work with the opposition party by reaching across the isle. That did not work.

The President said that his administration would be free from lobbyists. That did not work.

The President said that his administration would be the most transparent ever. That did not work.

The President said that he would fix the economy within three years. That did not work.

The President said that his health care bill would lower health care costs. That did not work.

The President said that he would not raise taxes on 95% of Americans in any way. That did not work.

The President said that his stimulus spending bill would solve our employment problem. That did not work.

The President said that he would cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. That did not work.

I see a pattern here. The President said that if he could not fix the economy within three year that he did not deserve a second term. The President also said:

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on.

Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities. Instead,interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans–a debt tax that Washington doesn’t want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.

Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

~ Senator B. H. Obama, March 2006

Gosh Spence for Hire - you think all that up by your own little self, or have you plagiarized it from any various number sites like this:

http://www.bullfax.com/?q=node-majority-new-jobs-recovery-are-low-paying-study-finds

or here

http://builtbyus.mittromney.com/news/press/2012/09/four-years-later-america%E2%80%99s-promise-isn%E2%80%99t-better

maybe here

http://forum.literotica.com/archive/index.php/index.php?t-673174-p-19.html

And finally, perhaps here. http://www.csa-1776.org/quotes.php

Every single line I googled was written by someone else and posted by someone else. Let us know when you have an original thought, or better yet, cite your references.

Romney avoiding taxes with that loophole is so minor in the scheme of things. When compared to his whole economic platform being declared a fantasy (paraphrasing) by the non partisan congressional research service, Romney's personal taxes are small potatos.

Trickle down doesn't trickle anywhere. It stays with the 1%.

Pat Boston MA.

My hope is that Rick Scott's voter suppression will backfire, though the suppression of registration, purging the voter rolls, and ballots mailed to the wrong addresses etc. will be tough to overcome. So the last backfire that remains is to see Rick Scott voted out!

Rick Scott ousted, along with Kasich/Husted, Scott Walker (and other Republican Governors especially in swing states) is the revenge well deserved for the anti-democracy shenanigans they have been up to -- trying to steal the election -- again.

As for congress...

We have the satisfaction of saying b-bye to Joe Walsh, and probably Michele Bachman, Allen West, and other Teabag crazies. And hopefully rid our country of Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan in the Teapublican House as well. Did folks see Bachman laughed at in debates? Paul Ryan wouldn't even debate -- imagine that after hanging out with Media Blackout Romney.

Then in the Senate, we have the crazies Mourdock and Todd Akin of course, but Scott "Centerfold" Brown is likely to go (good riddance) and maybe Democrat Carmona can win in Arizona.

Carmona is such an excellent candidate -- Not only a former Surgeon General, but he served in the military, he is of Puerto Rican decent, etc., etc. Jeff Flake running against him is another Mormon fundamentalist and austerity Teabagger, gagh! Enough with the Sheriff Arpaio Birther crap and other rightwing idiocy.

Vote Democrat -- FORWARD!

Romney - TAX CHEAT Extraordinaire - Harry Reid was RIGHT

Using a tax shelter called a CRUT (charitable remainder unitrust) that was held by the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons), Mitt Romney was able to pay zero taxes (legally) every single year from 1996 to 2009. Why did he stop in 2009? Because he would make public his 2010 tax return, that is why.

This tax loophole was killed by Congress in 1997. However those including Romney that were already using it were allowed to continue it. The way it works, is that Romney makes a "charitable" contribution to the Church of Latter Day Saints and it goes into a trust. Since the trust is held by the church, the money is tax deferred. Any capital gains, are non taxed because of the charities status. Like an annuity, the donor gets a charitable tax deduction and an stream of cash payments. When Romney dies, the church accepts full ownership..

Bloomsberg's attorneys estimate as the Romneys have received these payments, the money that will potentially be left for charity has declined from at least $750,000 in 2001 to $421,203 at the end of 2011.....

Romney has refused to answer any thing on this topic. His campaign puts out that it was all legal....

Legal perhaps. Ethical for the president of the United States? Well, only if you want a crook running the country.... Imagine! Legally stealing from your church!.

www.dailykoz

How fitting for Lying Ryan to be campaigning in the Fox Valley of Wisconsin. It is also the home of other extremists like Ryan. The birth place of Joe McCarthy. Next the republican party will be finding communists under ever rock again!
Romney and Ryan are both lying pieces of crap!

2 more days and America will be rid on the great mistake of 2008.

So many have realized what a horrible mistake they made voting based on emotions rather than policy.

As real Americans vote to correct the incompetence of a junior senator whose only accomplishments were organizing a few picnics in Chicago and writing a couple books, about himself, we see the tide has turned to a real leader, Mitt Romney.

It's so sad to see so many Americans supporting a statist who promotes class-warfare in our nation. The nation built on Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. So many submit to his advocacy of only being middle class rather than striving for more.

I don't know anyone who grows up wanting to be poor or middle-class, everyone wants to be rich someday. Of course in the statists mind the only wealth should be with the chosen few in government because they know what is best for everyone else.

Outlaw 16 oz. beverages. Shut down children’s lemonade stands for lack of permits. Free birth control so 30 year old professional student bimbo’s can have recreational sex at will. Name one thing that isn't taxed, regulated or subsidized.

America is no longer the land of the free and the home of the brave, it's the land of the herded and home of the scared. It's time to rid ourselves of this social/economic justice nonsense and expression crippling political correctness that Progressivism wreaks on us.

Barrack Hussein promotes mediocrity. Our great Republic was built on American exceptionalism. It's time to elect a leader who promotes that.

Greed isn’t someone wanting to keep more of what they earn, its people demanding a greater share of money that someone else has earned.

I'll vote for anyone who will try to improve my standard of living ...without destroying someone else’s!

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

NOTE: Liberals/Progressives remember to vote on November 7th.

Jim Spence,

Romney and Lying Ryan for mindless zombies!

RedDevPS

WOW Rev!!!!!!

I'm impressed. You actually researched something. Good for you. Most of the limp-wristed Libbies need to be spoon fed any information which just leaves them hopelessly lost in their momma's basement.

I'm glad you proved that they my points are accurate.

Now lemme ax you something. How do you feel about Barrack Hussein creating all these poverty level jobs? How do you feel about more and more of your hard earned tax dollars being wasted by our criminal government? I'm assuming you're like most of us and do pay some taxes. How do you feel that government has to spend $200,000 to "save or create" 5 million jobs most of which pay $25,000 a year?

Don't you think it would have been better to have taken the $863 billion of $timulu$ money and given each business $50,000 and told them they must hire someone for at least a year? If we just did that we would have created $17 million jobs. Don't you think that would have been better than Barrack Hussein's "trickle-down" version?

Yes, the $timulu$ was the epitome of "trickle-down" that you Libbies so despise. We poured $863 billion into the top of our massive bureaucratic government and hoped it would trickle-down to all those "shovel-ready" jobs.

Remember?

Remember those shovel ready jobs that Barrack Hussein and our "Jobs Czar", Jeff Immelt, laughed in your face about as Barrack said, "Shovel-ready was not as ... uh .. shovel-ready as we expected?" Sure you remember. It was an insult wasn't it? But as usual, you Libbies just shrugged your shoulders because most of you don't contribute to our governments funding anyway.

Deny it as much as you Libbies want, you know Clinton endorsed Romney as presidential. He even admitted he has FRIENDS in equity investments and he understands how they work and are beneficial. Unfortunately Barrack Hussein doesn't. If he was so worried about outsourcing and offshoring he would have never hired Jeff Immelt from GE. You know, General Electric, the multinational conglomerate that has sent more jobs overseas in the past 10 years than anyone other than Apple.

Have you heard about GE touting themselves as champions of the factory worker? Of course you have. GE has also recently closed more than 20 factories, shifted avionics and radiology businesses to China according to Reuters, and pushed for public policies that will allow them to continue that course.

GE is self-identifying "core" manufacturing interests, as though its other manufacturing interests simply vanished from the books. The truth is, they closed many of those plants here in America. According to GE's own records and statements, it had 125,000 U.S. manufacturing jobs in 2000 compared to 50,000 in 2010.

Government records show at least 38 events since 2001 in which workers at GE plants in the U.S. were made eligible for trade adjustment assistance (TAA) due to outsourcing or import competition.

Immelt has referred to China as GE's "second home market"

Hmmmmmm, China is GE's second home market. Go figure.

Where is the Liberal outrage about this? Where are all the calls for boycotts? Where is the demand that he be removed as the chairman of the Council on Jobs and Competitiveness? Of course you Libbies won't say anything because he's one of Barrack Husseins cronies, right?

We won't even talk about GE’s involvement with Iran in the past. This all comes despite the fact that Iran is one of the seven nations listed by the State Department as a state sponsor of terror since 2001. A Canadian subsidiary of GE has provided Iran with four hydroelectric generators to expand a dam along the Kuran River. And an Italian subsidiary of GE supplied pipeline equipment and gas turbines for Iran’s oil industry.

Anyway, I'm sure you'll come up with some cutesy excuses for all this, but we all know deep down inside you're just as pi$$ed about this embarrassment of a president as all of us real Americans. You've just been indoctrinated into believing the best you can be is mediocre.

This is what Barrack Hussein wants. He doesn't want you to be rich or successful, he just wants you to be middle-class. Now, not that there's anything wrong with being middle class, most of us are. But don't you think a president should be encouraging every American to be rich? To be as successful as possible?

To be exceptional?

How many times have you heard Barrack Hussein say he wants Americans to be rich? Has he ever? No! Why not? Why doesn't the leader of the wealthiest nation and biggest economy in history not want you to be rich or successful? Now, don't embarrass yourself and start with the typical bleeding-heart drivel about "there are different levels of success and wealth".

Bulls**t!!!

Everybody grows up wanting to be rich. Like I've said above, nobody buys a "Get Poor Quick" book. Nobody buys a "Get Middle-Class Quick" book. But I bet you, and most people, have read a "Get Rich Quick" book or article. I bet you've bought a "PowerBall" lottery ticket. We don't do this to be poor or middle class.

Of course not everyone can be rich. But shouldn't the leader of a nation as wealthy, as prosperous as ours be an advocate for as much success as possible?

Instead, Barrack hussein demonizes wealth and glamorizes mediocrity.

Why do you think he does this?

Because it's easy.

It's easier to bring people down than it is to lift them up. It's easier to demand that the successful just give their hard earned money to the middle class and poor. It's hard to make everyone wealthier, more prosperous and to improve everyone’s standard of living. Barrack Hussein admits he can't do this.

He blathers about "fairness" and some mythical "even playing field". As much as these are wonderful talking points, they're impossible to attain. Why? Because no one can define either of those qualities. What you may think is fair, I may not. You may say that the rich should pay more, redistribute the wealth more. Well my do-nothing brother-in-law thinks you should pay more too. Do you consider that fair? Is that a "level playing field"?

As I and many others have said, America's greatness did not come from our government or the unions. It came from American exceptionalism. The exceptionalism that gave us giants such as Edison, Carnegie, Vanderbilt, Ford, the Wright Brothers and hundreds of other visionaries and entrepreneurs.

Most, 80%, of all millionaires are first generation. They didn't inherit their wealth, they didn't get lucky, they didn't know a bunch of people that gave them money, they worked for it. They're not all CEO's of Fortune 500 conglomerates, they're your neighbor. The guy across the street that owns a car repair shop, the guy that owns the bakery in town, the guy that works as an IT consultant. They're not millionaires simply because they have a business or better paying job, it's because they work hard, are frugal and know how to invest. These are principles anyone can follow.

I don’t want anyone to give me their hard earned money anymore than you do. I don’t care if someone is rich, I admire them because, remember, we all wanna be rich despite Barrack Husseins rhetoric. We have fundamental and structural defects in our economy. We are limping along in a 20^th century mindset built around Keynesianism, which has never worked, and Progressive ideologies that are crippling our ability to grow, as the world is passing us by in the 21^st century reality.

We need leadership built around everyone working and having the ability to succeed. Instead we’re being told that someone else should work hard and just forfeit their wealth to those that don’t work. We’ve tried this for 47 years with the “war on poverty” and it has failed miserably. We have spent over $17 trillion dollars on this “war” and we have lost.

We don’t need more government. We need a smaller much more efficient government that gets out of the way of entrepreneurs, visionaries and trail blazers and allows them to create the new commerce we need to compete with the other 6.7 billion people on this earth.

Governments job is to provide our safety and to protect us. The free-market with an educated populace will take care of the rest. Barrack Hussein doesn’t understand this because he never created a job. His ideology comes from an elitist faculty-lounge mentality that has never created commerce. This is no longer acceptable.

We need leadership from experience. The decision should be simple.

Greed isn’t someone wanting to keep more of what they earn, its people demanding a greater share of money that someone else has earned.

I'll vote for anyone who will try to improve my standard of living ...without destroying someone else’s!

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

NOTE: Liberals/Progressives remember to vote on November 7th.

I read the President's economic plan for the next four years. The Plan is devoid of detail to include budget. It appears to be primarily a wish list. It seems that the President wants the federal government to spend a lot of money that it does not have to train math and science teacher's to teach vocational classes at the JC level for jobs that do not really exist in this country. Foreign manufacturers are paying their workers roughly a tenth of the minimum that our workers require and that is why they can always beat domestic manufactures on price. Neither candidate seems to have a solution for this problem. It is our huge trade deficit that is degrading efforts to revive the economy by injecting more money.

In many states, state colleges and universities are having to raise tuition to make ends meet because of tighter state budgets. The President wants to withdrew federal funding from these schools so that they either have to raise tuition even more or close down facilities. The President thinks that this effort will help improve the quality of education in America.

The President is expecting to pass his increased taxes on the "Rich". He has been trying to do that for the past four years but he somehow thinks the can prevail in the next 4 years. This tax will at best take 100 billion dollars per year from the private sector and put it into the public sector. The President promised that the 2012 federal deficit would not exceed 229.27 billion dollars yet the actual deficit exceeded 1.1 trillion dollars so his efforts to date to cut the deficit have been less than successful. He is proposing more spending and unspecified cuts and which has been provided it is impossible that any actually deficit reduction will take place. So I am looking at a nominal annual deficit of 1 trillion dollars assuming the increased taxes on the "rich" passes.

At the heart of the President's plan is the idea of bringing the troops home in 2014 and with the savings use half of it to start paying down our debt and use the other half for infrastructure improvements. To start paying down the debt the federal government has to run a surplus. To run a surplus with half of the piece dividend, the federal government will have to realize a savings of more than 2 trillion dollars per year from bringing the troops home. That amount is more than twice a s much as we are paying for defense including all overseas operations. The President's plan is mathematically impossible. Mathematically impossible plans are at the least less than viable. The President's plan is an example of fantasy economics.

My biggest concern is all the debt that our federal government has been accumulating. With a debt or more than 16 trillion dollars and huge deficits predicted for at least another decade, I estimate that the money that the federal government is borrowing today will end up costing the tax payers more than 10 times the amount borrowed to repay over the next 180 years. Paying 10 times the going rate for goods and services is not good management. The President has yet to present a detailed plan for repaying the debt. The tax payers have a right to know how much all of this federal borrowing to going to end up costing them.

... and either one can come with holes. Yikes that was a bomb on my part ... there goes the promise of my getting 72 high end hookers.

Ryan said to the kids while playing cornhole.

WTF????? Do they know what that means? Apparently not. They didn't know about "teabagging" either. LOL!

They didn't know about "teabagging" either. LOL!

For some strange reason, Cantor strikes me as a "tea-baggee"...

If Ryan is "tailgating" must be with Santorum... Just frothing on the cake

Irony is lost

nuance is lost

subtlety is lost

I was told there would only be one comedian per thread/post/election...

Gallagher is NOT a comedian...

Although deplorable for both parties.

Final Fact Check - Who Tells the Truth More

From politifact.com. Counting as true, statements rated as true or mostly true.

Romney = 62 true or mostly true statements out of 202 checked statements

Romney tells the truth 30.6% of the time.

Obama = 205 true or mostly true statements out of 452 checked statements.

Obama tells the truth 45.3% of the time.

Don't believe me go to politifact.com and do the math yourself.

Sledge-O-Matic ... if you order right now, we will send you not just one but everyone we have in stock. All cards and jokers accepted.

Ryan's Mom said her sons favourite toy was his Yo Yo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For some strange reason, Cantor strikes me as a "tea-baggee"...

That's funny. He strikes me as something from the morgue. The guy looks like a corpse.

Although deplorable for both parties.

Final Fact Check - Who Tells the Truth More

From politifact.com. Counting as true, statements rated as true or mostly true.

Romney = 62 true or mostly true statements out of 202 checked statements

Romney tells the truth 30.6% of the time.

Obama = 205 true or mostly true statements out of 452 checked statements.

Obama tells the truth 45.3% of the time.

Don't believe me go to politifact.com and do the math yourself.

Romney being a Mexican doesn't share American Values !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Playing cornhole????

My oh My, even the terminology explains more about the conservative candidates than I ever wanted to know. If I didn't know better, I'd say Marcus and Michelle invested this game.

Just a sampling here:

Back door: A cornhole that goes over the top of a blocker and into the hole.

Swish: A bag that goes directly in the hole without touching the board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornhole

I've also heard that Romney took advantage of the tax holiday offered by the IRS for those keeping monies overseas.

Obama's Father Wrote About Socialism
- His father wrote a
paper called "Problems With Our Socialism" that advocates
100% taxation of the rich, communal ownership of land and the forced
confiscation of privately controlled land. Source:
Greg Ransom, PrestoPundit

2.
Obama's Mother Was a "Communist Sympathizer" - " Friends describe her as a "fellow
traveler", that is, a communist sympathizer,
from her youth, according to a March 27, 2007, Chicago Tribune report" Source: Spengler,
Asia Times "The
values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go
about the world of politics - Barack Obama" Source:
Tim Jones, Chicago Tribune

3.
Obama's Parents Met in a Russian Class (Back then it was the Communist
USSR) - "His mother, Stanley Ann Dunham
(her father always wanted a son), was white and just 18 when they met in a Russian class"
Source:
Sharon Cohen, St Louis Times

4. Obama's Teen Mentor was Frank Marshall
Davis (a known CPUSA member) - "...through Frank Marshall Davis,
Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a
member of the Communist
Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from
1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship,
almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his poetry and getting advice on his
career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him
repeatedly as just Frank." Source:
Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media "Kathryn Takara of the University of
Hawaii, who wrote a dissertation on the life of Frank Marshall Davis, confirming
Davis was a significant influence on Obama when the senator attended Punahou
prep school in Hawaii from 1975 to 1979" Source:
Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Hawaii and
the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert
Romerstein)

5. Obama's
Brother Roy and Cousin Odinga are Marxists - "Barack Obama's
older brother, Abongo "Roy" Obama. He is a Luo activist. militant Muslim and a
Marxist." Source:
Barbara Busby, 180people.com “The person who made me proudest of all,” Obama
wrote, “was Roy Source:
Bill Sammon, The Examiner "Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has
made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts
throughout the country" Source:
Invenstor's Business Daily

6. Obama Attended Socialist Conferences at Cooper
Union - "He went to socialist conferences at
Cooper Union and African cultural fairs in Brooklyn and started lecturing his
relatives until they worried he'd become "one of those freaks you see on the
streets around here." Source:
H Kennedy, NY Daily News

7. Obama Was Hand Picked by Alice Palmer to Succeed Her
in the Illinois State Senate -
"Nine years before Palmer picked
Obama to be her successor, she was the only African-American journalist to
travel to the Soviet
Union to attend the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the
Soviet Union,
according to an article Palmer wrote in the CPUSA newspaper, People's
Daily World, June 19, 1986." Source:
Jim
Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Chicago
and the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert
Romerstein)

8. Obama's Run for the Illinois State Senate was Launched
by a Fundraiser Organized at Bill Ayers' and Bernardine Dorhn's Chicago
Home - Ayers and Dorhn are former
terrorists from the Weather Underground who's SDS organization received financial contributions from the CPUSA. "Obama's run for the Illinois
state Senate was launched by a fundraiser organized at Ayers' and Dorhn's
Chicago home by Alice Palmer. Palmer had named Obama to succeed her in the state
Senate in 1995, when she decided to run for a U.S. congressional seat."
9. Obama Had a Close
Relationship with the "Anti-Capitalist" Group ACORN - "Obama has
had an intimate and long-term association with the Association of Community
Organizations for Reform Now (Acorn)...Chicago
Acorn appears to have played a major role in Obama’s political
advance...Acorn’s
radical agenda sometimes shifts toward “undisguised authoritarian socialism.” Source:
Stanley Kurtz, National Review

10. Obama Attended
Several Meetings with the Democratic Socialists in Chicago and Was even Endorsed
by Them -
"Obama’s
socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement
of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of
America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA
newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul
Mendelson, one of the “champions” of “Chicago’s democratic left” and a long-time
socialist activist.
Obama’s stint as a “community organizer” in Chicago has gotten some attention,
but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who
groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored." Source:
Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media "In its broadest sense, democratic socialism could
refer to any attempts to bring about socialism through
democratic means as opposed to violent insurrection." Source:
Wikipedia

Jaystack - when you post ignorance like you have - it says more about you than it does about our President. It says you're stupid; believe any lie you can put your hands on; and you're a desperate Republican!

Obama/Biden 2012

Disprove them SS if it is to easy. And BTW, Obama is toast. The Redskins lost today.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/11/03/will-redskins-rule-again-determine-outcome-of-presidential-election/

Talk to the Hand - I don't have to. He has to post his links to support his lies - and he can't. President Obama will win - the Bears slaughtered Tennessee!

Obama/Biden - 2012

Talk to the Hand - I don't have to. He has to post his links to support his lies - and he can't. President Obama will win today - the Bears slaughtered Tennessee!

Obama/Biden - 2012

Paul Krugman

The Nobel Prize-winning economist wrote in a New York Times blog post in August: "Romney’s tax plan is now a demonstrated fraud — big tax cuts for the rich that he claims would be offset by closing loopholes, but the Tax Policy Center has demonstrated that the arithmetic can’t possibly work."

Matt Taibbi

Matt Taibbi, contributing editor to Rolling Stone, wrote in a recent blog post : "If you're going to offer an across-the-board 20 percent tax cut without explaining how it's getting paid for, hell, why stop there? Why not just offer everyone over 18 a 1965 Mustang? Why not promise every child a Zagnut and an Xbox, or compatible mates for every lonely single person?"

Larry Summers

Harvard economist Larry Summers, a former top adviser to President Barack Obama, recently compared Mitt Romney's tax plan to a hamburger and ice cream diet. He said: "It’s easy to say that 'My plan is to eat ice cream sundaes and chocolate cake and hamburgers as much as I want, my plan is to lose 60 pounds, and my plan is to avoid painful exercise, and those are all my objectives and I'm committed to every one of them.'"

The Tax Policy Center

The Tax Policy Center , a nonpartisan, nonprofit think tank, recently concluded that Mitt Romney's tax plan is mathematically impossible without raising taxes on the middle class.

Josh Barro

Bloomberg View columnist Josh Barro wrote in a recent column that the six studies that the Romney campaign uses to claim the candidate's tax plan is mathematically possible "individually and collectively...fail the task."

Mark Zandi

Mark Zandi , chief economist at Moody's Analytics, recently said on CNN that when it comes to Romney's tax plan, "the arithmetic doesn't work as it is right now."

Ezra Klein

Washington Post columnist Ezra Klein wrote in August that "the Tax Policy Center’s analysis has removed all doubt" that Romney's tax plan is mathematically impossible.

David Frum

David Frum , contributing editor at Newsweek and The Daily Beast, recently wrote: "Romney's tax cut plan doesn't work. I'm a Republican, I support Romney, etc. But you can't cut that much in such a stagnant economy and expect to break even. Even with a deductions cap, it just won't happen."

Catherine Rampell

Catherine Rampell, economics reporter at The New York Times, wrote of the Romney campaign's tax promises in a recent blog post: "Not all of those principles can coexist so long as basic arithmetic survives."

I hate to break this to you but Mitt is a business man and knows what hes talking about. I trust his math over the govrnments math anyday. To be so stupid to think a busniessman like Romney dont know whats hes talking about is crazy as hell.

You're kidding, of course. "Business men," as you call them have become "high rollers." IOn other words, gamblers.

High rolla - some people consider drug dealers good businessmen too! After all the mark up on their product and the profit margins they gain dwarf those of the most successful corporations anywhere in the world. I don't expect you to understand this because your grammar/spelling is atrocious. Just want to let you know that not all successful businessmen make good leaders. Romney is a proven liar and only the misguided believe him. The rest of the people that will vote for him aren't really voting for him so much as voting against the President.

High rolla - first, Mitt is NO businessman. Second, businessmen have made the WORST Presidents in history. Running a business is totally different than leading a country. Just look at Bush for proof!

Obama/Biden 2012

I will give you an example of government math. Ok if you are service connected on 2 different diasabilties and one is 60% and the other os 40% that = 100%. Not by Government math its not 100% but 80%. If you would do some fact checking you would see that Romney has been a business man all his life. Hes had some government work but if your to stupid to not know hes a been a businessman then bless your heart. AFter Obama liEd to us for 2 weeks about the terroist attacks I cant see callinG Mitt a lie is going to benefit you. Obama even admitted he lied in the 2nd debate by telling us he indeed knew it was a terroist attack.

High rolla - Romney is NOT a businessman - he's a shyster at best. The jobs he's "created" are minimum wage and no one could live on them. His "business" has been to stuff as much money in his own pockets as possible and he doesn't give a damn about the people he's hurt.

He is not FIT to lead our country. Obama NEVER LIED IN THE 2ND debate. The records show he called it a terroris attack.

When all you've got for your candidate is lies - you should know you're backing a loser. Romney is a liar and a loser.

Obama/Biden 2012

Seeking Sanity you have not done your fact checking. Romney has gave 10 times as much to other people than Obama/ Biden. This is just a fact Romney cares more because hes gave more. Its just simple math Romney gave more out of his own pocket than Obama/ Biden. Soeedy to break it to you but that is indisputable fact that he cares more. Sorry to be the one to throw that actualy fact out there to you but it is fact.

SO that means the IRS will be charging him and he will be going to jail if not then Pat your sources are liying. If he paid no in come tax then off to jail he should go. Now my sources tell me that Romney gave his inheritance to charity. When gov he worked for no pay. He ran the olympics for no pay. Now this does not appear to be the chacter of a crook. In the tax returns he did show he gave more to chartiy the Obama and Biden have in their entire lifetime. Pat you must be vety stupid to not havenot fact checked Mitts chacater. Wow you believed something that stupid when the man has gave away millions to charity. Just amazes me of how stupid some people are.

I suspect he had, probably unknowingly, an "illegal" account at the United Bank of Switzerland (UBS), which was closed in 2009, along with the filing of amneded returns paying back taxes and penalties, in conjunction with an IRS program for immunity from prosecution.

I suspect he opened this account in 2003, at the request of a Republican friend, ex-Senator Phil Gramm, who also may not have known of the illegal nature of the accounts. Gramm went to work for UBS, as their Vice Chairman of Investment Banking for North America, in 2003, the same year the Romney account was opened.

Since the account was closed, back taxes paid, penalties paid, etc., it would not be "illegal," but just a pubic embarrassment.

I don't think he will go to jail if he took advantage of the IRS amnesty program. He would have paid all back taxes, penalties & interest , thus avoiding prosecution. Of course there could be other tax issues that may not have been part of the amnesty. Interesting development. This information should not have come from IRS. All of our tax records are private.

Agreed. And, it's only conjecture, based on an interview his trust attorney gave the NYT in the early part of the year...i.e. that it was an account at UBS, opened in 2003, and subsequently closed. Separately, UBS DID start the subject program in 2003, and confessed guilt, agreeing to a $780 million fine, along with turning the names of some 5,000 account holders over to the IRS. On their part, the IRS agreed to grant immunity from prosecution to those who came forward voluntarily BEFORE the IRS received the names, and paid back taxes and fines (the IRS estimated the total number of accounts was around 52,000), based on amended filings.

McCain was playing the women angle when he chose Palin thinking that people could see a good looking woman in the role of VP.

What about the millions he gave to charity are they going to arrest him for that. It just dont add up a man who freely gives away millions does not fit the profile of a thief. I am realy shocked at anybody who would think he was a thief. I mean really people this guy does not need to steal and if he did I dont think he would have worked for free and gave away miilons.

High rolla - Mitt gives millions to the Mormor church - which counts as charity and which is REQUIRED to move upward in their leadership! Charity crap! It's self-serving - like everything Mitt does!

Obama/Biden 2012

Regardless its still charity and therefore to think hes a thief is pretty stupid to be honest. He doesnt fit the profile of a thief. Look at Obama and Bidens charity donations. Hell I think Biden gave like.05% in 2011. It really showws how stupid people are that dont know that churches give to the needy. So therfore giving to the church is a good thing to do. Are you could do Like Biden and not give but like 200 bucks.

You know skip, I have to agree about Cantor's demeanor. I saw him on MTP this AM & all I could think of was "Used Car Salesman"

Obama Lies - I'm always insulted that the ignorant right wingers consider anyone who doesn't believe in their hatred and stupidity not to be American. I truly believe the ignorant Republicans are Americans - just dumb Americans. But then, you believe - as Romney does - that 47% of Americans are victims - even though they represent seniors who have paid into a system they count on; veterans who have given so much to our country; and the working poor who pay all kinds of taxes every day!

Obama/Biden 2012 - for ALL Americans - even the stupid ones on the far right!

Obama, Jarrett and Axelrod, All Connected to Communist KGB Agent, Frank Marshall Davis and the
Chicago Communist Party USA

Jaystack - LIAR!

Romney connected to Grover Norquist - a traitor to the country!

Obama/Biden 2012

serfdom101

ROMNEY IS ATTEMPTING TO CONTROL THE MESSAGE IN THESE FINAL DAYS WITH AN EXCESS OF ADVERTISEMENT AND PAID BLOGGERS. DO NOT BELIEVE THE GOP'S FALSE CONFIDENCE

That's really funny - "paid Republican bloggers" - considering I've read several identical posts from other stories comment areas here as well. LOOOOONG POSTS; CUT AND PASTE POSTS; I DON'T HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO SAY POSTS! And what is "AN EXCESS OF ADVERTISEMENT"? Does that mean that Obama is running out of money? Or is he just not going to spend it, as he can keep what he doesn't use if he loses?

Reading this stuff is like watching a group of especially moronic monkees grooming each other.

I dont understand why a man would give more in charity than he would have paid in taxes. The idea that he is a tax cheat just dont add up. Hes has gave 10 times ass much as Obama/Biden have. Its really very farfetched to think a man with the chacter of Mitt Romney is a thief. Look at Obama /BIDEN they dont give hardly any of their own money to charity.

We all know how the mormon charity system works. It is passed around to other mormons and is not directly givien to the church to spend on charities. Romney is a thief and a cheat. He gives to his church while avoiding paying taxes by hiding his money and investments outside the U.S. I'm confident he has not reported all of his money as it is hidden in these foreign banks under the disguise of his investments being run by an entity other than himself even though he controls their actions. What a scheme for the rich we have. Romney has no character or morals.

It dont make since he gave away his inhertaince worked for free as gov ran the olympics for free. If you dont like his polices just say so no need to slander sombody. No thief is going to give away as much money as Romney has. Joe Biden only gave like .05% of his own money to charity. You say Romney has no morals then since Obama and Biden have gave far less than Romney they have less character than Romney. You cant factual say Obama /Biden have chacater when they have gave less its factual impossible.