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HILLIARD, Ohio -- At his first campaign event since the release of the final jobs report before Election Day, President Barack Obama reprised his auto-centric Ohio economic pitch, slamming Mitt Romney for what he said were deceptive ads claiming Jeep was moving its business overseas.
He suggested that such a claim, debunked by both Chrysler executives and multiple fact-checkers, made workers here unnecessarily fearful for their jobs.
President Obama continued his tour through Ohio with a campaign stop in Springfield, Oh., where he continued to criticize Governor Romney for running deceptive Jeep ads saying "This is not a game, these are people's jobs."
“You've got folks who work at the Jeep plant who've been calling their employers, worried. Asking, is it true? Are our jobs being shipped to China? And the reason they're making these calls is because Governor Romney's been running an ad that says so,” Obama said, speaking to 2,800 supporters at the Franklin County Fairgrounds here.
“Everybody knows it’s not true,” he continued. “The car companies themselves had told Gov. Romney to knock it off.”
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He said Romney was trying to cause such controversy as a last-ditch attempt to gloss over his opposition to the auto bailout, to the detriment of workers here.
“I understand that Gov. Romney's had a tough time here in Ohio because he was against saving the auto industry," Obama said, "and it's hard to run away from that position when you're on videotape saying the words ‘let Detroit go bankrupt.’”
He concluded, “You don't scare hardworking Americans just to scare up some votes."
This sort of populist appeal to auto- and other blue-collar workers has paid dividends for Obama in Rust Belt states like Ohio. He’s faring better among white working-class males in those states than he is with that group in the rest of the country.
Obama spent less time here talking about the latest 7.9 percent unemployment figure, touting the fact that companies hired more workers in October than at any time in the past eight months but quickly moving on.
He continued his tour through smaller Ohio towns, stopping next in Springfield, Ohio.
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This is what I don't get about Romney: EVERYONE democratic and republican alike KNOWS that that ad is a bald faced LIE. As in factually incorrect. Is he stupid or does he honestly just want to annoy people. Maybe he thinks voters are stupid? Sighs.
Thinks? His entire team is BANKING on it!
I was so LMAO when Willard claimed President Obama hasn't met with the Congressional Job's Council since July...
Well of course not, since how many days has Congress worked since then?
Meanwhile, the sea of albino seals behind him nodded their heads an clapped right on cue!
Obama claiming he "saved the Amercian auto industry" and that "Romney wanted the auto industry to go bankrupt" are bald faced lies. GM did go bankrupt, under Obama. Obama just rigged the bankruptcy to pay off his crooked unions and screw the private sector Delphi employees....
Go_Obama!
All of the above.
Don't forget Romney's view of the poor and the uneducated. And when I say poor and uneducated I mean everyone not in the 1% income bracket and everyone who does not have an Ivy League education...
Also, Romney will say and do anything to win and that includes making sh*t up and exploiting Hurricane Sandy fo photo op with a can of tuna.
Listen & WEEP probe boy;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIvr2adxgBQ&feature=player_detailpage
We know your already dumn & blind, are YOU deaf as well?
Bob in Virginia-5210392
Let us consider for a very brief moment that you are correct and if so, it still sucks for you because it worked either way.
Go_Obama - Mitt Romney counts on low information voters like CantAffordNoMore to disregard the truth and just go on believing the lies he and Ryan spout at every event. Luckily there are more intelligent voters than the dumb ones and President Obama will be re-elected!
Obama/Biden 2012
CantAffordNoMore
not situation room but with Chris Christie (Obama's new BFF) and other governors. But nice try.Stop watching Faux News so you can see what is acually going on.
Tell me, is Romney going to drive the cans from OH to NJ all by himself or is he going to waste other people's money to have them delivered? You could buy lots of cans of food for the money wasted on organizing/driving the food that Romney was so kind to ask for. WOW, what a planner Romney is!
so now it's 20 embassies?????
It is not in any way a lie, however it is misleading.
Those jeeps that WILL be built in China are going to be for the Chinese. The Jeeps that China buys today are built in the USA... so now our exports will take a hit, our trade balance will take a hit, and our JOBS will also take a hit, as we won't be producing the ones that go to China.
Nothing Romney said was a lie.
Get the facts people!
And I for one have no idea why Romney is trying to pin this on Obama in the first place, FIAT owns Chrysler, we don't really have "much" control over what an Italian company can and will do, IMHO.
Yah, Sirie, so take it one step further. If we finally get rid of the stupid laws that allow American companies to make massive profits overseas while paying absolutely no taxes on those profits, maybe if Chrysler actually sells more Jeeps in China, it would actually do something for the nation instead of just doing something for Chrysler. Jobs in America will not take a hit unless the market for Jeeps shrinks. If they sell more Jeeps in China because the new Jeeps they are making there are cheaper for the Chinese to buy, the market isn't going to shrink and Chrysler is going to keep getting stronger.
Which means its facilities everywhere will get more secure.
Michael Thompson, Charlotte, NC...."Chrysler is going to keep getting stronger."
And it's still owned by FIAT....
So, P.0bama used taxpayer money to craft the Chrysler bankruptcy in favor of the Unions (i.e.---fill their empty pension accounts) and then sold it to the Italians, who bought it after it didn't have $$Billions in unfunded Pension liabilities...Where will those "Chinese " JEEP profits and taxes go ???...The U.S. ??...I think not.
Romney ad did not claim U.S. jobs were going to China.....just no new jobs in U.S. for JEEP sales to China and other overseas markets....
I bet the Chinese JEEPS will end up being sold all over the Far East, Middle East, Russia, Iran....They will all be able to pay less for a Chinese made JEEP than an American made JEEP.
I predict that as Union Demands grow, within a few years FIAT will abandon its U.S. operations after the overseas plants are up and running full speed.
But now Romney has brought attention to this, and the CEO has assured it's employees, very publicly and loudly that no jobs will be lost to China. That it is all a lie. After the election, and in the future, the CEO is bond by his promise to the employees.
I don't understand the problem Micheal, if WE are building those jeeps that the Chinese are driving, and we WON'T be building them when the factory opens in China, then WE won't be paid to make them, paid to ship them, thus JOBS LOST in America. Say we build 100 Jeeps a day, 90 for America, 10 for China. Now instead we will build 90 a day, as 10 will be built by the Chinese.
Math is pretty simple on this one...
jennilee1959....Really ????
"Coming hot on the heels of speculation that some Jeep production may be moved to China comes a bombshell from a Bloomberg report. Fiat is now considering moving Chrysler and Jeep production to Italy.
According to the piece, “To counter the severe slump in European sales, (Fiat CEO Sergio) Marchionne is considering building Chrysler models in Italy, including Jeeps, for export to North America. The Italian government is evaluating tax rebates on export goods to help Fiat. Marchionne may announce details of his plan as soon as Oct. 30, the people said.”
So, let’s be real clear here, we are talking about vehicles that will be built in Italy and exported to America. The evidence is clear that Fiat is looking at ways to move production of vehicles from the US to elsewhere, whether it be China or Italy, costing American jobs. This is becoming indisputable, despite outcries from certain parties to the contrary."
http://investmentwatchblog.com/report-fiat-now-says-jeep-may-move-to-italy/
sirie...(#2.13).....Math, Schmath.....It's An ITALIAN COMPANY with facilities in the U.S......but for how long ????
Oh, and by the way.....GM is opening new plants in China.....7 out of 10 GM vehicles are made OUTSIDE the USA....
"General Motors is becoming China Motors"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvl5Gan69Wo&feature=player_embedded
sirie
are you seriously this ignorant or do you not know the definition of "lying"??
Saying that JEEP is being moved to China is a lie - total lie - and nothing but a lie.
When you deliberately take something out of contex on purpose, you are lying.
No way! Willard counts no pure racial hate to win. Pray he is wrong.
Obama/Biden 2012
Mike in Delray
Ah yes, move to Italy. Makes sense, since the CEO is Italian. Then he can still claim that the accusation to move to China was a lie. And American workers get jilted again.
jennilee1959.....They are not denying opening a JEEP plant in China for sales in China....and then elsewhere....P.0bama is just dead wrong on his "interpretation" of the Romney ad....but it makes for good political clap-trap in Ohio , just days before the election.....
sirie,
The math is even simpler than that. With the tariffs that are now in place, we sell close to ZERO jeeps in China, because they are too expensive. When Jeep builds a factory there, just a GM did long ago, the prices will come down to where Chinese buyers can afford them. Chrysler's profits go up, which is also good for American Chrysler employees.
Were Mittens to win, you can rest assured that ALL Chrysler manufacturing will be outsourced to either China or Italy. Get a CLUE, folks!
Sirie-- The tariffs that the U.S. has to pay to the chinese to import Jeeps is extremley prohibitive,therefore it is more cost effective to build them in China, who are the largest purchasers of them. This is how things have been done for years, if a country that we import goods to have huge import taxes or tariffs, and the importer,does not want to see the cost of his goods rise in the country in which he manufactures them, due to those tariffs, then he usually builds a facility in that country, especially if the demand for his goods is very high in that particular country. BUT, that does NOT mean that they cease to manufacture that product in their OWN country.
Sing - Ever been to China? I have been to Suzhou twice, and there are MANY jeeps there... it is a status thing over in China to have a Jeep.
As far as your Mittens claim, doesn't matter who is in charge, Chrysler does what FIAT tells them, get a clue!
Blue - you saying that the US has to pay a tariff to IMPORT a Jeep?
The US does not Import any jeeps from China...
I now know why they call the Dems the "Blue" party, you guys sure have the Blues when it comes to having a CLUE
You people are aware that it isn't just American cars being built in foreign countries. There are foreign companies that build cars in America. My Toyota is as American built as your Chrysler. It just makes sense to build the cars in the country where they will be sold.
I'm much more concerned about other American companies which are taking most if not all jobs to other countries, such as Hershey's. This needs to be addressed. The President needs to come up with a bill which rewards companies for manufacturing in America. Oh, that's right, HE ALREADY DID! Republicans felt it was a terrible idea as it would lessen their chances on election day.
Bob in VA,
I do not know how many times people have to explain this to you before you understand. Or maybe you are just being intentionally dense so you can bash on Obama for something.
either way GM could not find the capital they needed to survive through a privatized bankruptcy. They would have been bought out and liquidated via the Bain's of the financial world after entering proceedings. The bailout kept this from happening by giving the money GM needed to survive through bankruptcy with conditions that it be paid back with interest.
Lockheed Martin is laying off 123,000 workers just weeks before Christmas. The President is trying to hold off any announcement until after the election. This will make a significant increase to the questionable 7.8% Unemployment number.
Lockheed is going to lay off 123,000 defense workers due to Obama's downsizing of the military. The law requires Lockheed to give 60-day notice to all to be fired employees within 60 days. That drop dead date would be November 1st. Since this would be devastating to his reelection, Obama has promised that our government would cover all Lockheed severance packages to fired employees if Lockheed would not release the names and locations of those losing their jobs until after the election!! Do you have any idea how many millions that will cost the taxpayer? Thank you Obama.!!
http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/industry/259517-graham-says-hell-block-reimbursements-in-layoff-notice-fight
Obama Shafts Tax payer again.
GuyLittle, can you give us evidence of how Obama is downsizing the military? Lie much? And let us know all about this conspiracy (oh, boy, yet another one...in a town that can't keep anything secret...you righties are a hoot).
Shafting the taxpayer, roc, is making a mockery of taxes for the wealthy while the rest of us pay their way. That would not be Obama, that would be your "team."
A mockery of taxes for the wealthy and yet almost 50% of the country pays no federal taxes and, oddly enough, via the 'earned income tax credit' gets money FROM the government. You need to get a grip on reality here, Obama's campaign slogans and class warfare have warped your ability to understand reality.
Guess you missed the article and the FACT that Obama asked the defense contractors to stave off those pink slips until AFTER the elections.
As to "lying' about Obama's downsizing the military? Hmmm, guess you really don't pay much attention to much of anything or else suffer from severe and selective memory loss. Obama has made it a point to downsize the military and many, many news stories reported on it. For someone who accuses other of lying, it would seem your lies are the most prevalent and egregious. As to those facts being a conspiracy? Well, guess in the Obama supporters world, any facts that don't look good for Obama become 'conspiracy?'
Here, try on a source that should resonate with your 'liberal' sensibilities, Hufpo had an article about the consequences of OBAMA'S downsizing of the military.
http:www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-wexler/downsizing-the-military-a_b_1843201.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-wexler/downsizing-the-military-a_b_1843201.html
One of Romney's plans:
TOTAL lies and deceptions.
Of course Romney wanted GM to go bankrupt.
There was no "private" money available to save GM and so there would be a liquidation.
All warranties void, all dealers out of business, all parts suppliers out of business, millions of workers out of jobs.
Who benefits? Vulture capitalists like Romney's Bain.
Buy up the assets for pennies on the dollar. Sell the patents, sell the manufacturing equipment. Make millions on the blood of the laid off employees of all those companies who made up the auto industry. And make no mistake; even Ford admitted that if the suppliers went out of business they would have folded too. If you think this is the "American Way" you need to go somewhere else to live.
It's a disgrace to all those Americans who have sacrificed for the good of the entire country, not just a few greedy pigs.
OBAMA/BIDEN....2012!!!!
Actually, what you just posted isn't exactly correct. Romney stated that GM should face bankruptcy and reorganization and those items should have happened six months earlier. He also stated that the government should have stepped in to guarantee the warranties. You also neglect to state or post the thousand who did indeed go out of business as a result of Obama's actions, like car dealerships and the investors who lost millions. Guess they aren't important in your narrative?
You also fail to examine the current situation with the new and improved reorganization, and you also fail to note just what the overseas expansions are really all about. I hope you read the link, it might open your eyes as to what is REALLY happening with GM and your 'former' tax dollars.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/10/how-the-gm-bailout-turned-into-foreign-aid/
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/10/how-the-gm-bailout-turned-into-foreign-aid/
YES sirie -- The U.S. pays a tariff to China, when our Jeeps arrive there, the company has to pay a tariff or tax. No we DON'T import Jeeps from China you misunderstood me, prehaps deliberatley? As for having a clue, ever study World Government or Social Studies in school? Try looking at the world WITHOUT the red colored glasses.
GM manufactures cars & trucks in over 30 countries. Did any of these other countries burden their taxpayers with a bail out??
Our American tax dollars are shoring up GM to expand their business overseas. GM hires foreign labor and extorts money from the US taxpayer to do it.
Plus make cars in South Korea to sell in the U.S.
Benghazi has had its day. The wave of Rice-Powel-Chrysler-Sandy-Christie-Bloomberg has washed it all away. The bloviating of Rush over New Jersian man love is speaking volumes. Romney may well have changed his fabled underwear for a pair of Depends.
Princeton is not blinking …
Obama 318
Romney 220
well, Pennsylvania is turning colors as we speak....
I take it Fall has arrived.
sirie - yes Pennsylvania is turning Blue - a strange color for fall but we'll take it!
Obama/Biden 2012
Pennsylvania is STAYING blue and will vote to re-elect President Obama as well as our Senator, Bob Casey.
We will then get to work to get rid of our Republican governor (the one who passed voter suppression laws and tried to pass a transvaginal probe law, telling women to just turn their heads and not watch the unnecessary probe). His role in the Jerry Sandusky debacle has not been fully explained either.
I'm with you Steeler Fan (except for the Steeler Fan part). I'll do my part to see that it happens.
Mitt and Ann Romney made at least $15.3 million from the bailout..and a few of Romney's most important Wall Street donors made more than $4 billion. This is an interesting read, link below, talk about hypocrites. Just another reason why Romney does not want you to see his tax returns!
http://www.thenation.com/article/170644/mitt-romneys-bailout-bonanza?rel=emailNation#
OBAMA/BIDEN....2012!!!!
With the hurricane we need more electric cars and solar panels. The wil create more jobs we really need a national push this would also help the climate change issue.
We should just get rid of Hurricanes... I mean seriously, how much do we spend in disaster relief every year?
We tried the solar thing, remember Solyndra? Green jobs are a myth as the green energy companies are going belly up. Current alternative energy technologies are not viable. When something viable comes along I'll be all in. Climate change is a natural phenomenon. Electric cars are not going to return us to the ice age. I assume that's what the left wants. Another ice age.
Blamo - actually green energy companies are growing and many are doing well. As with anything new, there are those who succeed and those who don't. I'm sure you said the same thing about cell phones!
Obama/Biden 2012
Blamo - current technologies ARE viable! Germany, the strongest economy in the EU, is 50% solar.
If the solar and wind powered energy generation did not receive subsidies, there is no way they could compete with Coal, Natural Gas, or Nuclear power. I "heard" that wind power subsidies are something like $20 per KWatt hour, and coal is .04 per KWatt hour... maybe someone could give out the facts??
sirie - they received subsidies to get them started but those will decrease as green energy gains ground. How much are our current subsidies to Big Oil?????
I have 20% of my power being delivered from "green companies." Commonwealth Edison normal rates are 8.999 kwh but mine are 4.99 kwh. Nice savings and 20% green!
Obama/Biden 2012
No use trying to reason with these idiots. These are the same people that refused to give up their horses 100 years ago, and refused to give up whale blubber 150 years ago. Backwards dolts - the entire lot.
Yeah, we should abandon this automobile thing. After all, Stanley failed, as did Stutz and so many others! Why, it just makes sense! Those automobiles are obviously just a fad!
By the way, don't oil companies get subsidies?
Geez.
Maybe 50% of our defense budget is a direct subsidy to oil companies to secure their sources and leases and transportation/distribution channels, Kuwait anyone? Carriers in the Persian Gulf? Additional subsidies are in the form of highway and road expenditures without which there would be significantly less demand.
As P. Obama famously and correctly said, "You didn't build that."
JFK....BOZOhussen has appointed a new Czar that will only cost $$17 Trillon to make the USA hurricane free in 6 months!!
Just like Jimmy the-peanut-brain Carter did with the Dept. of Energy!! We are no longer dependent on Arab Oil!!
Bekghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi...
Maybe you should educate yourself prior to reacting.
But then, getting the facts and ensuring you have a full understanding of the situation doesn't seem to be a strong point for the GOP.
www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/11/02/164140811/u-s-offers-new-details-of-deadly-libya-attack
This is why some of us are happy we have a Commander in Chief who bides his time and acts when appropriate, avoiding knee-jerk reactions that lead to negative consequences.
Ah, the right. Using Benghazi and the death of Americans as a political tool.
Tell me, oh wise righties, was Bush responsible for 9/11? How about Reagan and the barracks in Lebanon?
By the way, try really hard to stay on topic...I know it's difficult, but give it a shot.
Nut Job, forgot LBJ and Vietnam
Hey, roc, poor attempt at a redirect there, but what else is new?
Well you were slamming PAST Presidents, so I just thought to throw in another. Or doesn't he count because of party affiliation?
No, I was directly addressing other terrorist attacks in response to the BS you folks continually post about Benghazi, which has nothing to do with either Johnson or Vietnam. Try to keep up.
A couple of thoughts -
There are several reasons why the economic recovery is slower than previous times:
1) Much of our manufacturing (when compared to previous levels) has been outsourced. This means factories and supply chains were shut down and would need to be re-established before jobs in the afffected sectors can be recovered. In many places, the manufacturing jobs have been gone so long that the supporting physical, energy, and communciations infrastructure is outdated.
2) We particiapte in a global economy and like it or not we are directly impacted by other country's economic status.
3) De-regulation, as initiated several adminstrations ago, allowed larger companies to start to exhibit robber baron status. They lied, cheated, and stole from the average person. This de-regulation led directly to a lopsided allocation of economic input and out-take by a few sectors (think banking for example) which in turn diminshed the capacity of MANY businesses to achieve stable and supportable growth curves.
President Obama had to start at below scratch in order to re-establish growth AND deal with the deliberate and pre-planned economic obstructionism of the Republican Party. Blaming the President for "growth is too slow" is simply wrong and ignores real world facts.
Succinct and to the three points. I agree.
And unless the President just abolishes congress, what exactly is he supposed to do about the fact that American corporations can establish plants in China where the workers will work for 99 cents an hour AND where the products made in these factories can be sold absolutely tax free until the profits are 'repatriated,' which will happen a week from never, given the historical behavior of most corps?
What is Mitt Romney intending to do about this? Anything?
The American economy is driven by masses of people working. It is not driven by an ever-shrinking collection of corporations making massive profits and generating a grand total of 1% of GDP tax revenue from those profits.
That is what is utterly ridiculous about the argument that Romney makes about corporations being overtaxed. Corporate taxes right now are 1% as a percentage of GDP. 1%. That is the lowest percentage of taxes actually collected from corporations in well... ever.
Add to all of the above the fact that the Republicans met on the night of President Obama's inauguration and plotted their strategy of obstructionism and publicly stated that their main goal was not the recovery of the economy but to limit the President to one term. It didn't matter what the cost was to their fellow citizens. If the GOP had supported any of the President's initiatives our recovery would be further along.
I would take it a step further and say slow growth is the best way. It's difficult when people are hurting, and we are used to an "I want it now" attitude, but it's the only way to grow stronger. When Reagan was in office we had a quick recovery. The problem is it was a deception. We found that we could have a robust economy by borrowing to buy whatever we wanted. It was under Reagan that we started getting into this deep debt that we are unable to get out of (everyone remember Ross Perot?). Unfortunately, individuals were doing the same thing, living on credit. It quickly got to the point that people could no longer get out of it. We are now at a point that people have slowed the credit and are beginning to save again. This makes for a slow recovery as people aren't buying at a rapid pace, but a more solid ground.
The Democrat inspired Sub Prime loan debacle is what started the slide. Bush should have done something about it. Plenty of blame to go around on both sides. Obama's policies are causing lenders to hang on to their money. No loans, no growth. They are not comfortable with the prospect of four more years of a anti business administration nor the fiscal cliff we are driving over. I'd rather be in the ditch than over the cliff any day.
A politically inspired debacle, eh? I had no idea CountryWide and others were run by democrats. Thank for enlightening us. Sure seems he had a lot of GOPers in his pockets.
http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2010/2010-197.htm
Amazing how the right-wingers vanish from threads when people start mentioning facts, isn't it?
Yeah, the righties have short, and short-circuited, memories. I seem to recall a certain President Bush saying something about everybody should quit renting and buy houses. But it's on tape, so I don't have to rely on memory, or made-up crap, like the right.
In a 10/22/12 Bloomberg article regarding Jeep output moving to China: "The volume opportunity for us is very significant," Manley, who is also president of the Jeep brand, said in an interview at Chrysler's Auburn Hills, Michigan, headquarters. "We're reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity" as well as "should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio."
So Chrysler is, indeed, considering moving the entire Jeep portfolio to China.
When you don't have a good record to run on, attack your opponent.
Oscar - again, wrong. Chrysler is considering opening a manufacturing plant in China to build Jeeps that will be sold in CHINA because it is a requirement. They will NOT move production from the US but add production in China for vehicles to be sold there!
When you have no real facts - just make them up - the Republican motto!
Obama/Biden 2012
Okay, basic common sense.
Jeep sells about 125k Jeep Wranglers in the U.S. every year.
Jeep sells about 30k Jeep Wranglers in ALL OVERSEAS MARKETS every year.
The notion that Fiat would close down American facilities to open new facilities in China so that they would then have to turn around and ship 80% of the Wranglers produces there back across the Pacific ocean when that flies in the face of every practice in Automobile manufacturing is just dumb.
Just flat out dumb.
And it proves that the people talking about this have absolutely no clue how the global automobile industry works.
Insane One, how am I wrong when I quoted the EXACT words out of the guy's mouth? He said they were considering relocating the whole Jeep portfolio. I wish you well on your hunt for sanity. Peace.
Michael T., it may be a dumb idea. But the president of the Jeep brand said they were considering it. Therefore, no one "lied." It's Hussein that's trying to make a big deal of it because he has nothing else to run on.
My God, how many times does this have to spelled out on these boards. Localizing means, they are looking at manufacturing (in China) all Jeeps sold in China vs. some.
You know the sad thing is both sides of this discussion have become somewhat rabid. I know, because I feel that way too. But I'm sorry, while I may consider voting for a true moderate republican, one that is bought and paid for by these bizarre 501c groups, not that many people I know will vote for Romney. And I live in the same development as Eric Cantor. Even he has toned it down. People are angry that the republican party has been essentially hijacked!
Jeep is not moving all production to China. They are considering manufacturing all of their models in China as well as maintaining and expanding production in the U.S.
Oscar Drools
So "portfolio" means the entire US manufacturing base for Jeep? I would have never have thought that. What a reasonable person might think is that "portfolio" is used in regards to the brand offerings that are currently available in the US. Like maybe they'll make some Wranglers and Grand Cherokees, but not the Libertys or Patriots. But hey, you're obvioud much smarter than the rest of us, so you must be right.
perturbative approximation
Boy oh Boy are you ever backwards, I don't see how ANYBODY can say the Republicans are moderate.
They are not even close and getting more and more extreme every day.
* I supposed requiring vaginal probes of pregnant woman is a sign of Moderation.
* I suppose saying you will overturn Roe vs Wade is a sign of moderation.
* I supposed running on turning woman's rights back to PRE 1950's status is a sign of moderation.
* I supposes stating 'We intend to make this President a One Term President" just a few days after he has been elected and has not even had a chance to do anything to get you mad is a sign of moderation.
* I suppose the current level of income equality in this country is a sign of moderation
I could continue but I don't think Newsvine will allow me the space ......
"The Democratic party has been nothing less than a congressional bully the last few years, and America has had enough. Our government was set up to have checks and balances, this vote will end the Democratic domination, and hopefully bring some of them back down to Earth."
I just KNOW you don't really believe that. Who has demonstrated every stap of the way that they have NO respect for our current President. Just a few months in office and Republicans are interrupting his speeches and Yelling LIAR. Republican campaigns have pictured the Obama famile as a bunch of monkeys and so on and son .... The Republican's are CLEARLY the bullies, don't call the kettle
black. Not to mention WHO has been filibustering an UNPRECEDENTED number of bills becasue they cannot get their way? That sure sounds like a bunch of bullies to me .....
You crack me up, you sound like a typical Republican. I would like to inform you that if ANYTHING during the last 20 years of this country there has been a REPUBLICAN domination, not a Democratic one. Get ur facts straight.
And Finally I am quite glad to see the Republican heading into a LONG DARK TEA TIME OF THE SOUL
hehehehhahhahahhohohohohh
Lets see who gets THAT reference ! After President Obama finishes winning this election the Republican party will be so broken by the fact that they lost to a Black man in the White house, that they will self destruct and will disappear from Politics for the next 20 years or so. Let me give ya some good advice, don't back a loser, Mitt Romney is a CLEAR Loser for this country ....
Palin / Bachmann 2012Obama / Biden 2012
perturbative approximation:
That is the biggest crock I've ever heard. Seriously, I don't think anything you've written in that post is less than a 100% fallacy.
After all, it was the D's who set a record for filibusters.
It was the D's who rejected a 10:1 ratio of spending cuts to tax increases.
It was the D's who are pushing the Personhood amendments in various states, it's the D's who are attaching riders like repealing the PPACA to bills that go to the Senate.
It's D's who are putting out candidates like Sharon Angle and Christine O'Donnel. Not to mention Todd "Legitimate Rape" Akin and the guy with the Moose-wall who called evolution "lies straight from the pits of hell".
It was a Democratic Congressman who said that "I have a mindset that says bipartisanship ought to consist of Democrats coming to the Republican point of view" (That was Richard "God intended pregnancy from that Rape" Mourdock)
Reagan Republicans are rejecting the Republican party in it's current form in droves because of the insane lurch to the right.
If you truly believe that crap you wrote down, you need some medical attention.
Here we go again with the food stamp blather....
Cantaffordnomo..... What do you call a hard working person that gets to work and puts in their 8 hours but still "can't afford" to feed their family? A food stamp recipient.
And who benefits? Certainly, the family benefits because they are able to eat but what of the employer? Doesn't that small business guy get a government subsidy that enable him to find workers when he obviously can't or won't pay them a living wage? Assuming the worker produced a product or performed a service that advanced the profitability of the small business owner, isn't the government subsidy to the worker enabling the profitability of the owner?
Somebody is upset about all those right wing welfare recipients down south...I guess that's what is bothering perturbative. Or maybe he is angry that our military is taking these handouts...darn freeloaders.
FOUR YEARS AGO TODAY...things were bad and about to get worse.....
Today, as this job report shows....things are getting better, much better
Auto sales
Four years ago, the automobile market collapsed to its lowest point in 25 years. Sales in October 2008 declined by 32 percent over a year earlier, projecting to an annual rate of 10.6 million. Three weeks later sales would Read More... plummet to 50 year lows. Today, sales are robust and all the major car companies except Nissan registered year-on-year growth, and the annual rate is projected to 14.3 million.
ADP report
Private sector employers added 158,000 jobs in October 2012, according to ADP. The initial ADP report for October 2008 counted 157,000 jobs cut. And that number was eventually revised upwards to 440,000 jobs lost. By January job losses were averaging 600,000 a month.
Manufacturing
The Institute for Supply Management’s factory index rose to 51.7 in October 2012. Anything over 50 represents expansion. The comparable number in October 2008 was a dismal 38.9 — which at the time represented the lowest mark in many years. But it was headed still further down. By March it would be 31.4.
Home Foreclosures
US Home Foreclosures Down To Pre-Recession Numbers
Mortgage default, auction and repossession filings were reported for 531,576 residential properties in the third quarter, a 5 percent decline from the second quarter and an 11 percent drop from last year. September saw 180,427 new foreclosures, down nearly 7 percent compared with August and down 16 percent from the comparable month last year.
The same kinds of numbers could be generated for housing starts, housing sales, personal bankruptcies and business bankruptcies.
Those are the numbers. They do not lie. Four years ago this week, as Americans prepared to cast their ballots, the economy was collapsing, in the middle of its worst downward spiral since the outset of the Great Depression.
Today it is growing. Not as quickly as we would like, but it’s still healthier than at any point in the last four years.
That's why the polls are correct- most of us understand this, even if "most" is a very narrow majority.
Jeeps will me made in Italy as well as China and the U.S. Romney is technically correct, but the ad, like most political ads, doesn't tell the whole story. Why is it ok for Dems to tell partial truths and not Repubs?
The first Bloomberg report was misleading hence their retraction. Fiat is in negotiations to build jeep in China. When Romney insinuated that production moving to China was Wrong, At least at this time. But what the hey buy a Chevy Spark made in South Korean GM plant by South Korean union workers, then shipped here to sell.
The Italian made Jeeps will be a totally new model primarily for sale in Europe.
Romney said "all production" for Jeep would be moved to China which is a lie.
Jeep production increases are going to Italy and china. China production for sales in china. (hide the profits). Italybproduction for Europe and the USA!
Read the news , not the MSNBC propaganda.
Would the "news" be the made-up crap from Fox? Is THAT the news?
Of course, the fact that Chrysler is planning on expanding Jeep production in OHIO doesn't matter, right? Of course, they are probably lying about that expansion...that's why they are spending all that money on American facilities. But at least you can cheer against American workers...good for you! Sounds about right for the right wingers.
Tell us something, right wingers. Are you so stupid you believe everything the right wing press tells you, or are you simply spreading lies that you know to be such?
Hey, RAW, I know it is often difficult to keep up with actual news when you rely on Fox and the right wing windbags, but this has not been msnbc for quite some time. But the best part is you stating somebody else is spewing propaganda...might want to grab a mirror.
Obama is such a liar.
......."and it's hard to run away from that position when you're on videotape saying the words ‘let Detroit go bankrupt.’”.
Those word 'let Detroit go bankrupt' were never said and he is referring to a byline above an op-ed piece by the Governor in the NY Times that the Times titled "Let the Auto Makers Go Bankrupt".
Which really meant into a managed bankruptcy, which they did even on Obama's watch, with fed funds on the back-end of the deal as needed which Obama simply gave them up front - to buy himself union votes in the rust belt.
What a fawking fraud. GM stock will need to double from $25 to $50 a share just for we taxpayers to break even on our stimulus money he took to buy votes. What a jerkwad!
rebelwcause
You are not very bright. Nobody bought votes, unless of course you mean by saving jobs and families people are more inclined to vote for the person that "seems" to care about their plight. I don't agree with a lot of the bailout, especially AIG. But the auto bailout was actually a good thing.
Frisby - bag the BS. Obama's solution also sent GM to managed bankruptcy as Romney said upfront would be required.
Why did Obama give the cash up front without even knowing the whys and wherefores first? Is that good business? No, it is not. Which is why Romney, a proven businessman, wrote that fed funds should be made available on the back end so cash is spent wisely and not foolishly.
What was Obama's motivation since with Romney or Obama GM would be saved albeit in a more sound way using the Romney model?
You are a naive moron who does not know Chicago politics if you do not know the answer to that. Think Union votes, do some research, and get back to us.
P.S. I hope you care as much about the plight of the thousands who lost their jobs working for car dealerships, several hundred of them, closed by the Obama machine.
rebel - there were NO private investors willing to provide funding. IF GM had gone through the bankrutpcy as advocated by Gov. Romeny, it would have been broken up and sold in parts. The business and those jobs would have been gone forever.
The federal government was the only entity with the deep enough pockets willing to let GM go through bankruptcy and keep it basically intact. By doing it the way it was done, the business still exists, it's number one in the world market, and the jobs were recovered.
Matthew, another liar. Or just a very bad MBA. Phoenix Online graduate or something such.
Romney advocated for fed funds to stave off that very situation from occurring on a widespread basis that leads to your domino effect. But on the back end.
No creditor would not have worked with GM to get things under control. And if there were bad eggs in the GM basket, as you say there are unequivocally, then what solution to the underlying problems has Obama addressed with OUR cash?
Answer: zero. Which means it is not if, but when, GM and Chrysler will find themselves right back to where they were before Obama, the non-businessman, interfered. Let me give you a clue: legacy costs. Look it up and get back to us.
The UAW walked away with a SWEET Deal, while all the investors in OLD GM got nothing! Their case is still in court and they may recoup 30% at best.
They made a bad investment. Too bad for them. Capitalism.
rebel, I do not lie. Try listening to or reading something other than stuff that simply supports your personal theories.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/03/federal-bankruptcy-judge-bailout-was-only-way-to-save-chrysler/
http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/23/news/companies/romney-auto-bailout/index.html
http://www.newser.com/article/da23eiv00/why-it-matters-bailout-almost-certainly-saved-gm-and-chrysler-but-at-a-cost-to-us-treasury.html
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/WHY-IT-MATTERS-Auto-bailout-3974986.php
RebelCause
I suppose we should all bow down to you, you seem to have an all seeing, all knowing Crystal ball.
Can you tell me what the next Apple is going to be so I can buy some stock. You seem to know an awful lot about the future ..
No matter HOW you want to spin it THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZER as you TeaPublicans are so fond of calling our President, made the right call in the best BUSINESS INTERESTS of our country.
The self affirmed BUSINESS expert who knows how to create jobs, made the WRONG CALL. It is simply ONE of the MANY instances where President Obama has shown himself to be more Politically astute, agile and just SMARTER that the fools running the current Republican party .....
(Uninstalling the Republican Party) ......................... 99% Complete 4 days to completion.
So, the right wing trolls who apparently hate this site, yet spend hours on it spreading lies, are trying to cover up the Romney crap about "saving the car industry". Yeah, Romney said they should go bankrupt, whether you want to admit it or not - he showed his business acumen (not) by saying private interests would invest in the companies and get them going again. Except there were no private investors interested in doing so, although maybe some might be interested in liquidating them, jerks like Bain. Then the companies are gone. And their suppliers. And any ancillary companies. All so the righties can beat their chests and show everyone how "smart" they are.
If ignorance is bliss, you folks must be in seventh heaven.
Obama GAVE Chrysler to Fiat. What about the Chrysler Engine Plant in Kenosha Wis? Obama and Uaw told Rep. Ryan it will remain in production. Plant now closed Engines NOW made in MEXICO and shipped back here for installation.
"The important context left out is that Italian automaker Fiat was the only company that stepped up to make an offer for Chrysler, which badly needed another car company with which to partner. Fiat's intervention has kept the company in one piece, saved Chrysler from dissolution, increased the quality ratings of the company's products, raised its market share and profit, and resulted in a huge recovery of jobs in Michigan and Ohio."
http://autos.aol.com/article/mitt-romney-auto-bailout-ad
Some of those engines are also made in Michigan, by the way.
Precisely so. Fiat's offer for Chrysler was the FREE MARKET working as it normally would. Funny how the Republicans just LOVE the free market, except when it is working with President Obama.
So its ok with you two that Obama lied.
FREE Market alright, Fiat was Given their initial shares for Free From Obama!
roc, you are lying. Does it make you feel better?
For the folks who "think' Obama saved the auto industry......The joke's on you because the future failures will be at your expense and I'll sit back and laugh.
How come Chrysler closed plants in the U.S. but None in Mexico, Even opened a New plant in Mexico. Wonder if that is where the production went after closing plants here. Thanks Obama, Dream Act party loves you even more for creating jobs for their loved ones in Mexico!
Roc, why don't you address the fact that Mitt lies and Jeep does not?
Or do you really believe that Chrysler lies and Mitt does not? I'm sure you do!
Welllll................ Obama gave Chrysler to Fiat. Fiat IS negotiating to build Jeep in China. Romney read the article, now its retracted. Only thing Romney was wrong on is AT THIS TIME Fiat is not planning on moving jeep production but time will tell.
Its Okay with you then when Obama told Rep. Ryan that Chrysler Engine Plant in Kenosha Wis. will remain open only to have it close? Okay with you then the Engines Are NOW made in Mexico and shipped back to U.S.?
"The important context left out is that Italian automaker Fiat was the only company that stepped up to make an offer for Chrysler, which badly needed another car company with which to partner. Fiat's intervention has kept the company in one piece, saved Chrysler from dissolution, increased the quality ratings of the company's products, raised its market share and profit, and resulted in a huge recovery of jobs in Michigan and Ohio."
http://autos.aol.com/article/mitt-romney-auto-bailout-ad/
Fiat now has control of Chrysler!
Don't forget the part where Fiat was GIVEN their initial shares and are the ONLY ones who have the Option to purchase more as loan is paid back. Hence they now own over 61%.
roc, please quit lying - it makes you look silly.
Mitthead is really dillusional. Really disturbing is that people want his elitist policies so bad they actually believe his crap he shovels.
Dipwad
It's funny to see the lunatics of the right wing crowd talking about everything except the fact that JEEP IS NOT MOVING TO CHINA, as declared by Chrysler executives. The prefer to sidestep the issue that Romney lied, and continues to lie, about Jeep and Chrysler.
If he is insisting with his lie in the face of the truth, what can you expect from the rest of his delusional plans?
Romney: JEEP IS MOVING TO CHINA.
Jeep: WE ARE NOT MOVING TO CHINA.
Yeah Mitt, Jeep is moving to China. Anything else you want to say?
But its okay with you that as part of bailout GM and Chrysler closed plants here and sent production to China and Mexico only to have it shipped here for use.
What is Chrysler producing in China that is being sold in the US? I think you are confusing Chrysler with some of Romneys conquests.
We despise Mitten's lies!!!
We despise Mitten's lies!!!
We despise Mitten's lies!!!
We despise Mitten's lies!!!
We despise Mitten's lies!!!
It's so over Mitten's.......He is so desperate!!!!!
Obama/Biden 2012 "We Got It Straight In 2008!!!"
It is one thing to misrepresent your opponent's record, or to inflate your own, or to exaggerate your opponent's failures and your own successes. These kinds of things aren't honest, but generally happen in politics.
It is another thing entirely to flat out LIE about third parties, in ways that do immediate and real harm to fourth parties, as Romney is doing now, LYING about GM and Chrysler, and harming GM and Chrysler employees (which I suppose Romney doesn't care about because they are members of a union).
This kind of egregious dishonest quite frankly ethically disqualifies Romney from the Presidency. He is simply too immoral a person to serve.
At this stage, Obama could be a cardboard box with zero accomplishments (neither or which is true) and it would still be morally imperative to vote for him. Romney and with him the entire Republican Party's unethical behavior simply cannot be rewarded at the ballot box.
When the choice is between zero and a negative number, you choose zero.
When the choice is between an actually very positive number and a negative number, the choice is even more obvious.
Not Romney/Not Ryan 2012.
And consider the political practicality of such adds. How many people in Ohio and Michigan are employees of GM and Chrysler? How many of these people get access to direct communication from their employer directly debunking these lies? Just who does Romney think he'll fool? When you lie about GM and Chrysler in Ohio and Michigan, you should expect that your lies will be called out pretty much immediately.
This is the kind of political strategy that can only be called incompetent. What would a President Romney do when he has to present America's case diplomatically when negotiating with the likes of Putin, the Chinese, Iran, the UN? At least when the Bush administration lied there was plausible deniability. Pull a dishonest stunt like what Romney is doing here on the international stage and he would make America the world's laughingstock.
This level of INCOMPETENCE disqualifies Romney from the Presidency.
And the american people are suppose to be surprised that Mitt the Flip will and has said ANTHING to steal a vote?
Okay, technically, they are not moving us jobs over to china. But, they are opening a plant in china. So factually they are giving jobs that could be in the us to china although they are not coming directly from the us. Give me a break. Once again, the unions and media are trying to control the election.
Factually, Romney was right although not directly taking from the us.
How do you figure employing Chinese to make cars for the Chinese market is giving jobs that could be in the US? Romney was wrong and so are you.
titansidewinder,
The jeeps that will be made by Chinese workers will be jeeps that they can afford to purchase. The ones made here are not. The reasons go beyond labor costs, and are mainly due to transportation costs and tariffs placed on imports - just like we do to vehicles manufactured outside of the U.S.
China has a VERY HIGH tariff tax rate for imports, why fiat wants to build jeeps there to sell. But we get all there exports sent here with little to no tariff?
Hey, titansidewinder, stumble on the truth much? There may be a few Jeeps being sold in China, but they would be few and far between, as the cost would be prohibitive. The output of plants here that send cars to China would be of little impact, but you go ahead and try to cover up for your lying candidate. Unions and media trying to control the election? Give me a break - your candidate lies and his crones threaten to fire workers if they don't vote for Romney, yet you point a finger at the unions and the media? Who do you think you are kidding? Yourself?
Romney and facts are not acquainted.
Speaking of food stamps and the growth of people on food stamps, let us not forget how many people really shouldn't be on food stamps. I bet they are taking up a good portion of the food stamp users by scamming the states. So the growth in food stamps, I don't really believe all that much. Take out the people who should not be on them and who are getting a free ride, you may find the numbers much lower. I get tired of walking out of the store and the person in front of me has paid with food stamps and they are getting into their Lexus, BMW, Hummer etc. The lady who works at the Wal-Mart fuel center drives a BMW SUV. I drive a Hyundai and work for a city municipality. What's wrong with that picture?
Obama.
Delusional much, roc? Hey, happen to know what the biggest welfare states are? If you aren't sure, look at one of those political maps and zero in on the states painted red.
I have yet to see copies of letters that Ryan sent to the Bush and Obama administrations requesting that the WI plant and other manufacturing facilities in WI stay open. Letters for stimulus "grants" because the stimulus created jobs, but no letters to maintain UAW jobs in Wisconsin. Inept is a complement to Ryan.
Well...................,
Research Chrysler Kenosha Engine Plant. Obama and UAW assured Ryan that plant will remain in production. Bail out, Plant Closed, Engines now made in Mexico, Shipped BACK here for use.
Just to be fair then research GM Oak Creek Wis. Plant. (Delco-Delphi)
Sorry, roc - no such promises were made, even though you have lied about it several times.
Mitt Should be paying for all of the LIES he has told during this ENTIRE ELECTION SEASON. Just Ask
Newt, who called him a LIAR on National TV Political Talk Shows and did not bite his tongue. Ask Santorum, when h estated Romney is the Worst Person to elect to talk about REPEALING OBAMACARE.
What's INCREDIBLE is the fact that he is not paying any kind of PENALTY for his TOTAL DISTORTIONS OF THE TRUTH. The Public and the Press/Media seem to be afraid to do an EXPOSE' of his Lies, with the exceptions of a few brave Journalists, who have INTEGRITY.
Mitt has been SECRETIVE, about his Religion, and now they have either paid Franklin to get his Senile, SICK OLD DAD, Billy Graham, to say after all of these YEARS, and his BELIEFS is that Mormonism was a Cult to Change his mind so Christians can now say Romney is ALRIGHT.
Mike Huckabee, an Ordained Minister is PREDICTING THE END OF THE WORLD and the U. S. will be caught
up in HELL AND BRIMSTONE if so called Christians vote for President Obama.
The Republicans have become the SALEM WITCH HUNTS and the CATHOLIC INQUISITION all rolled into one Party.
The NEANDERTHALS in the Republican / Tea Party want to take Women Back to Cave Man Days, and Minorities need NOT APPLY for anything. It will be GUNS 'R US.
Republicans don't believe in Science, Education (at least for the Masses) Climate change, POLUTING OF THE PLANET by the Take over of the Plutocrats with No Regulations on ANYTHING.
For these folks to hand the Country over to the PLUTOCRATS if Romney is elected is like we have never left the 20th Century or 18 through 19 for that matter.
The people in this GOP/TEA PARTY want to call people in other Countries the HEATHENS!
Romney has lead a life that PROVES, he would not know what the SACRAFICES and
Struggles of Ordinary Americans are, even if it JUMPED UP AND BIT HIM IN THE
BACK SIDE.
I guess Romney is
lucky enough that God provides enough low information voters, and bigots to put
him close in this race with the
President on DON'T ASK ME NOTHING, JUST TRUST ME.
Fantastic comments. The only thing I don't understand is how ANY woman could possibly consider voting for these two lying pieces of @!$%#.
I cannot say how much I agree with you on your Comment Jerry-2160465. Thank you.
Romney is really getting desperate.Just when you think he can't come up with any more lies,he surprises everyone with one whopper after another.And the lemmings follow....And his running mate Eddy Munster is just as bad. 2 desperate ,lying ,pieces of @!$%#!
All politicians lie. And if they aren't really good at lying they don't last long in office.
Most of the people in Congress are lawyers who are taught how to lie in law school.
So if you want a politician that doesn't lie your outta luck!
So does that excuse them? Do you condone it? Do you accept all Romney's lies just because he is looking to steal the white house?
Obama does not strike me as a liar, but Romney is certainly way out there. Do we want that kind of diplomatic mind sitting for POTUS?
If you want your sons to be sent to holly mormon wars in the Middle East ,then sure, vote for him. I'm not against a justified war if needed, but for business purpose: no thanks.
The race to a welfare state-Obama has us off to a running start.
Rather have a welfare state than a State of Later Day Saints.
There always is Rev. Wright.
yeah sure, whatever