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RACINE, WI – Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan joined the GOP offensive against the 2009 auto bailout engineered by President Barack Obama, arguing the rescue of GM and Chrysler hardly constitutes the success story the administration claims.
"Everybody wants a strong and vibrant auto sector. We want a strong manufacturing sector. But today you might have heard that Joe Biden again was at it again. Today he was talking about the government bailout, which they keep touting as an unqualified success story,” Ryan said, citing two plants in his home state of Wisconsin where production was halted following the bailout.
"The facts, they speak for themselves. President Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy, taxpayers still stand to lose $25 billion dollars in the president's politically managed bankruptcy," Ryan said. "These companies, Chrysler in particular we know this story, are now choosing to expand manufacturing overseas. These are the facts. Those facts are inconvenient for the president but no one disputes them. The president and the vice president, the problem is they simply can't defend their record."
Ryan's language adds to a late-in-the-campaign effort by the Republican to counter the president's record on the auto industry, which Obama and Vice President Joe Biden has used to great effect against Romney and Ryan in a series of battleground states where the auto industry looms large.
The auto bailouts have become a topic of major discussion as the Romney campaign launched a series of ads in Ohio that erroneously suggested Jeep was looking to shift production from the U.S. to China, earning the Republican campaign a rebuke from GM and Chrysler's corporate leadership.
The fact that Ryan had supported the bailout during its earliest stages -- in late 2008, when loans to the troubled automakers were initiated by President George W. Bush -- has further complicated the Wisconsin congressman's efforts to attack the bailout as executed by Obama.
The support for auto companies initiated by Bush was different from the support provided by Obama, who used funding from the Troubled Asset Relief Program to prop up GM and Chrysler and give the government an equity stake in both companies.
Ryan, like many Republicans, has focused on the suppliers, pensioners and dealerships who feel that they were shortchanged during the bankruptcy process, to the benefit of autoworkers' unions.
The Obama campaign has fought back aggressively on the issue, as Biden, speaking Wednesday in Florida, called Romney's Jeep ad an “outrageous lie” and made out of “desperation.”
“In the last hours of this campaign, if you can believe it, they're running the most scurrilous ads in Ohio ... one of the most flagrantly dishonest ads I can ever remember in my political career. In the ad they're running in Ohio, they assert that President Obama forced Chrysler into bankruptcy,” Biden said, noting the ad claimed Obama allowed Chrysler to move Jeep operations to China. ”That's what the ad says. It's an outrageous lie.”
"All my time I have never heard an American corporation in the waning hours of the campaign engage with that kind of description of what a presidential candidate's doing," Biden said after quoting a General Motors statement calling the Romney ad "campaign politics at its cynical worst."
Obama re-election campaign spokesman Danny Kanner added in response to the claims made by the Wisconsin congressman: "Ryan was forced to do Mitt Romney’s dirty work in Wisconsin today – telling blatant falsehoods about the auto rescue in a desperate attempt to salvage their campaign. But the American people aren’t going to buy it. When the American auto industry and more than one million workers’ jobs were on the line, President Obama stepped up and Mitt Romney turned his back."
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When you see it all slipping away from you, GO all in with the BS!
How do YOU spell D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-I-O-N???
These ads are so patently false, even the executives at Chrysler & GM have had to send e-mails to their workers telling them not to pick up the crap Team Willard is laying down!
It's alright, 5 more days and these two serial liars can slither back to whatever cesspool they crawled out of!
Is that what you are doing, Feisty? Are you sure your name is not Rachel Madcow?
Here's more on the auto ad issue. From WaPo Four Pinnochios for Mitt Romney.
Excerpt from the Washington Post: (emphasis mine)
Indeed, while the ad cites the conservative Detroit News in supporting Romney for president, the editorial largely comes to same conclusion as this column regarding the viability of Romney's plan for the auto industry in the midst of the Great Recession. The newspaper said Obama's response to the auto industry crisis was "extraordinary" and an example of his "leadership on this issue:"
Finally, the ad's reference to Jeep production in China is technically correct but misleading, particularly in light of Romney's comments on the campaign trail. The ad says that Obama "sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China," but then adds: "Mitt Romney will fight for every American job."
The unspoken message is that American jobs are being sent to China, even though the ad carefully tiptoes around that claim. (The ad, in fact, includes brief text quoting Bloomberg as saying Jeep production was returning to China.)
The Pinocchio Test
This ad shows that we have entered the final, desperate week of the campaign.
The series of statements in the ad individually may be technically correct, but the overall message of the ad is clearly misleading — especially since it appears to have been designed to piggyback off of Romney's gross misstatement that Chrysler was moving Ohio factory jobs to China.
It is also especially strange that the ad touts Romney's endorsement by the Detroit News, when the editorial actually backs up Obama's criticism of Romney's response to the auto industry crisis.
Four Pinocchios
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/4-pinocchios-for-mitt-romneys-misleading-ad-on-chrysler-and-china/2012/10/29/2a153a04-21d7-11e2-ac85-e669876c6a24_blog.html?hpid=z6
When Chrysler and GM start making statements - refuting lies being told about themselves by a presidential candidates (ROMNEYRYAN) on the TV and radio - you know that it is OVER.
FACT: Chrysler is ADDING jobs in America, NOT SHIFTING jobs overseas. Two thousand more jobs are planned for Ohio. Chrysler has called Romney out on his "fantasies", but Romney continues to lie to Ohioans and this nation. And here is Ryan backing him up on those lies. Too bad.
Not only that, Romney and his crew expect to get away with it! Well, there are a lot of smart people out here.
CEO ROMNEY "likes to fire" people and ship jobs overseas - NOT Chrysler. Right now, RomneyBain Sensata is being shipped to Jiangsu Province China, leaving 170 workers & Freeport community devastated. Romney will make a fortune from the move, as Chinese Sensata sweatshops pay only 99 cents an hour.
It's interesting that Ryan seems largely to have disappeared lately. Too much baggage in his Congressional record? Budgets numbers don't add up under closer scrutiny? Or maybe he sees the ship sinking and is slinking silently away. (See if you can say those last 7 words really fast five times.)
I wonder what career Paul Ryan will fall into when he realizes his political career is probably over by joining himself at the hip to Mitt Romney...
Oh I know...Fox "news" mannequin...
The GubMent Motors executive is an Obama employee. What else would you expect him to say.
Mickey,
Got your note. Thanks for the support. Yeah, I agree--it's not worth the time spent arguing with that character.
Love your posts. Always very thoughtful.
I'm outta here for the evening. Going on a long walk.
I wonder what all the RWNJs will say when Romney loses. . . .
Ryan wouldn't know a "strong and vibrant" manufacturing sector if he fell over it, he has spent his life as an over- paid government employee married to an heiress.
(Where do politicians FIND these heiresses anyway? McCain,Kerry, Paul Ryan.... they all married up!)
The GOP is simply OFFENSIVE... so is Ryan. These Republicans are what Michael Jackson calls 'grizzly ghouls from every tomb' in his masterpiece Thriller.
Double down, triple down .... OMG! If they keep repeating it over and over do they think somehow someway people are going to believe it?
You just can't fix stupid!
Obama/Biden 2012
The only strong thriving industry the GNOP can support is LYING.....
GNOP - We don't need no fact checkers...GNOP CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
C'mon Mythe - show us the 1040's - What ARE you hiding?!
My libbie buddies - Wow! The Romney/Ryan duo just doubles down on stupid - lies, lies and more lies. Doesn't this tell you a lot about what they think of their supporters' intellect? Obviously they believe they're dumb as rocks and will believe any lie they spout. Oh wait - in some cases, they're right!
Obama/Biden 2012
Those coal guys that were forced to stand behind Romney and lose a day's pay:
Those guys are MAD. AND they are being forced to pay into Romney support.
The miners that DON'T support Romney are told that their jobs are compromised, if they don't buckle to.
And it is too much to take.
These guys work in the worst conditions, and a 1%-er like Romney JUST DON'T CUT IT.
Wait a minute Feisty. I thought only the evil Koch brothers gave political instructions to their employees. Can't have it both ways, Ginger.
Concern Citizen-856329
Concern
As to Rachel Madcow as you call her, Can you lay any claim to anything remotely like her accomplishments? If she were your daughter would you not be proud to a fault?
Graduate of Stanford University
Awarded John Gardner Fellowship
Rhodes Scholarship
Phd in politics Oxford University
Emmy Award in the Outstanding News Discussion and Analysis category for "The Rachel Maddow Show" episode "Good Morning Landlocked Central Asia!"
Maddow won a Gracie Award in 2009, presented by the American Women in Radio and Television.
In 2009, Maddow was nominated for GLAAD's 20th Annual Media Awards for a segment of her MSNBC show, "Rick Warren, Change To Believe In?", in the Outstanding TV Journalism Segment category.
On March 28, 2009, Maddow received a Proclamation of Honor from the California State Senate, presented in San Francisco by California State Senator Mark Leno.
In 1994, Maddow was an Honorable Mention in the Elie Wiesel Foundation for Humanity Prize in Ethics.
In June 2009, Maddow's MSNBC show was the only cable news show nominated for a Television Critics Association award in the Outstanding Achievement in News and Information category.
In March 2010, Maddow won at the 21st Annual GLAAD Media Awards in the category, Outstanding TV Journalism- Newsmagazine for her segment, "Uganda Be Kidding Me".
Maddow was the 2010 commencement speaker and was given an honorary Doctor of Laws (LLD) degree at Smith College in Northampton, MA in May 2010.
In July 2010, Maddow was presented with a Maggie Award for her ongoing reporting of healthcare reform, the murder of Dr. George Tiller, and the anti-abortion movement.
In August 2010, Maddow won the Walter Cronkite Faith & Freedom Award, which was presented by The Interfaith Alliance. Past honorees included Larry King, Tom Brokaw, and the late Peter Jennings.
In February 2012, Maddow was presented the John Steinbeck Award by the Martha Heasley Cox Center for Steinbeck Studies at San Jose State University.
Bibliography Maddow, Rachel (2012). Drift: The Unmooring of American Military Power. Crown. ISBN 978-0-307-46098-1. Praise by both Liberals and Conservatives alike.
So the add is correct. Jeep is going to build Jeeps in China.
It's misleading because Mitt says he will fight for every American job???
Doesn't Obama say that .... he "fights everyday" for American jobs?
Or is it just "misleading" because the biased Washington Post doesn't like Romney?
Unspoken message ..... how is something "unspoken" a lie? Sheez .... the guys gets called a liar for stuff he doesn't say?
"Tiptoes around the claim" ..... so he never made that claim.
Yep .... especially when desperate, biased rags like the Washington Post and First Read spend so much effort fabricating a "Romney lies" narrative out of thin air.
Thank God the smart people of OH have seen through the lies. . . . and that all the blatant attempts at voter intimidation/suppression have failed . . .
they have actually backfired, because Ohioans have been inspired to fight back & vote early . . .
Early voting tallies show more than 60% have voted (in record #'s) for President Obama!
And Nate Siler forecasts that President Obama (who's #'s just keep increasing!) will win . . .
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President Obama now has a 77.4% chance of getting 299 Electoral College votes
His chances of winning the popular vote: 75%
His chances of willing OH: 77.6%
His chances of willing WISC: 88.1
His chances of willing VA: 62%
His chances of willing NH: 75.4
His chances of winning PA: 95.4
His chances of willing NEV: 83%
His chances of willing Colo: 61%
He will probably lose NC & FL, but it doesn't matter.
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A vote for O & Joe is a vote against Citizen's United, and a vote against liars! The White House cannot be bought!
Bobby -- What add? Ha!
bcwc - great post but Concern will never understand. Great accomplishments don't mean anything to her if a woman isn't ignorant and Republican. Oh, that's right - ignorant and Republican don't accomplish great things.
Obama/Biden 2012
You know guys - we could just shorthand this - Ryan and everything about he and Romney is offensive!
See how simple that is?
Obama/Biden 2012
I was just watching Rev. Al's segment on David Axelrod and my first thought was - I am so glad David is on our side.
And then I immediately realized that that thought was inaccurate.
What is more accurate is - Mr. Alexrod is on America's side.
I just love that guy.
And for those of you who are self-centered, selfish and prone to lying your way through life - you're going to lose.
And the David Axelrods of the country are going to win.
bob-1805084: If a man is in bed naked with a woman who is not his wife, his wife walks in, he jumps up and the woman hides behind him. The wife screams, "Why were you cheating with that woman ?" His response is, "What woman, I don't see a woman." The woman grabs her clothes, gets out the door, always staying behind the man, out of his sight. The wife again asks, "What were you doing with that woman ?" He again responds, "What woman ?" Was he lying or was he telling the absolute truth ?
Romney's ad may be technically true, but he's trying to get away with screwing the country anyway.
Murray Energy Chief Financial Officer Rob Moore told Blomquist that the charges were untrue.
"There were no workers that were forced to attend the event," Moore said. "We had managers that communicated to our work force that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend the event."
Murray Energy's own CFO says that managers told the work force that attendance was MANDATORY, yet no one was forced to go to the event????
I guess "force" would've meant a gun to the head, right?
The right wing BS is so deep, you need miners to get to the bottom of it.
Speaking of Rachel Maddow,
Here she is on topic...
If you have 15 minutes you should watch this MSNBC video analyzing Romneys blatant lies that questions his integrity and trust...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZFv1S-1vt1E
Do you all remember when Rachel Maddow did her show on Halloween night a few years ago, complete with costume?
It was laugh out loud hilarious. I think it was during the mid-term elections if I'm not mistaken.
Iowa Farmers Launch Email Campaign To Support President Obama
Farmers in crucial battleground state call on Ag producers of all sizes--and foodies--to remember the achievements of the Administration; criticize Obama Campaign for not highlighting success stories...
http://obamafoodorama.blogspot.com/2012/10/iowa-farmers-launch-email-campaign-to.html
don't -
So you can't challenge anything, huh?
Thanks for pointing out the typo .... you're a big girl now!
dirp -
My first thought was .... what an asinine analogy .... then it made perfect sense.
Obviously you/the guy was a dem - only libs are stupid enough to think such dumbass logic is logical.
Unemployment rates fall in 95 percent of U.S. cities
The Labor Department says rates declined in 355 of the 372 metro areas, the most since April. The report also shows that nearly half of cities now have unemployment rates below 7 percent.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-57542710/unemployment-rates-fall-in-95-percent-of-u.s-cities/
bob-1805084 - I believe your post shows exactly who the dumbass is!
Obama/Biden 2012
Concern Citizen-856329
Is that what you are doing, Feisty? Are you sure your name is not Rachel Madcow?
Holy- You know, I see all of these GOPers saying that the "lefties" spew nasty name calling posts. What hypocrites the GOPers are! Rachel Maddow has the most well researched and thoughtful political shows on television. She presents the facts in a well reasoned, easily understood, thoughtful manner. I guess the GOPers can't handle the facts, so they spew the talking points of Fox Entertainment and Rush (I'm moving to Costa Rica, but not really) Limbaugh.
Hypocrisy, GOPer be thy name.
PS. The wife and I voted tonight! Lots of folks carrying the Democrat voters guide! There was a truck out front that had a sign that stated "Vote Godly, vote Republican". Boy that sure made me laugh!
BCWC - just saw your reply to "Concerned". In my haste to reply I didn't see your reply. I like your response to the "Concerned" moron. Thanks!
Audience laughs at Bachmann during Minnesota debate...
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/30/audience-laughs-at-bachmann-during-minnesota-debate/
Have a good Halloween...
Today all of you can take the skeleton out of your closet.
Be very scared....some people have short-term memory and are ready to vote again for GOP which brought us into this mess in the first place.
Do it for your country: Vote Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=LTw3Oq1w9ko&feature=youtu.be
bobby -- It's Halloween, lighten up, mmmkay?
The answer to your question is I don't want to challenge your post.
Besides, my post is soooooo much better. A conservative paper
that supports Romney says HE IS WRONG. I totally agree with them.
WOW!
Leaked Florida GOP Memo: "Democratic turnout machine is cleaning our clock"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/30/1152853/-Leaked-Florida-GOP-Memo-Democratic-turnout-machine-is-cleaning-our-clock
dirp,
The Romney Chrysler ads are not TRUE in any way. So ya know.
That is why Chrysler and GM are fighting back LOUD and CLEAR, to set the record straight.
President Obama and NJ Governor CC tour NJ together...
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/president-obama-and-chris-christie-tour-storm-dama
it's in the cards on the table. Christie knows when to fold them. he knows at this point Romney will not be president of this country. Christie needs obama for the next four years if Christie is to have any shot at the 2016 election.
The Case for Obama: Why He Is a Great President. Yes, Great.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/barack-obama-is-a-great-president-yes-great.html
MCD,
Governor Christie can count. Of course he knows Romney will lose. He knows how many people of NJ need help, big time help,he knows the limits of state spending and resources.
He needs to access the resources of the federeal govenment : FEMA and other departments.
Both Obama and Christie have shown us that government at all levels can work together for the common good.
I am so glad the Congress is not in session,because they would all be grandstanding.
Romney losing keynote backers (picture says it all)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/31/1153198/-Romney-losing-keynote-backers
Northstar ....
Isn't that the truth! Seeing those that need help from the government work with the President and FEMA. So telling. I can't believe all of those that are bringing up Libya and Katrina when so many RIGHT now at this very moment need assistance and help.
Time to step back, take a breath and realize your tax dollars are used to assist your fellow-man. Get on with your hate party of the President tomorrow. Tonight, get on board with this . . .
https://www.redcross.org/donate/index.jsp?donateStep=2&itemId=prod10001&scode=RSG00000E017&subcode=grantdonations&gclid=CPSmk9PMrLMCFY9_Qgod6WsA5Q
The Red Cross is non-political and needs money and blood to further assist those in need.
Donate how you can.
layton,
Absolutely!
I gave to the Red Cross yesterday. I gave money. Not cans of tuna fish or old clothes to be shipped half way across the country.
NGO's know how and what people need in the aftermath and the weeks/months after the disaster. Together with the government agencies , relief and cleanup and rebuilding will begin.
I just cannot believe the destruction I see in the videos and the news segments. And it is cold at night out East, time is now to get things moving.
Northstar ...
Me as well regarding the destruction. I am thankful that I live where there are big snows and east winds. We are always prepared. But the mass destruction that the sea and rain entail. It breaks my heart. I could never live in tornado zones either.
We all know the limits of our cities and the wrath of Mother Nature. This is not a time to point fingers. It is a time to get on board and assist where you can.
Give to the Red Cross. Put your party affiliations aside and think of your fellow man. If you are sleeping tonight with power, food, and no water in your basement ... the Red Cross accepts all donations ... big or small ...
https://www.redcross.org/donate/index.jsp?donateStep=2&itemId=prod10001&scode=RSG00000E017&subcode=grantdonations&gclid=CPSmk9PMrLMCFY9_Qgod6WsA5Q
Even a dollar helps!
Be blessed, sleep well, and enjoy the little ones at your door.
God bless us all.
Great quote from Rachel Maddow tonight...
"Romney finished campaigning in Ohio with a lie about Ohio"
It's amusing reading the little Libbies comments about Barrack Hussein saving the "auto industry".
He didn't save an industry.
He saved 2 auto manufacturers that by all rights should have been allowed to collapse. Chrysler already suffered bankruptcy in the 80's and never had more than its fan base support afterwards.
GM had been hemorrhaging since 2000 under incompetent leadership and distorted vision. Rick Wagner single handedly drove the company to insolvency by methodically selling off its assets to fatten up the bottom line to insure his, and his cronies, salaries and performance bonuses didn't suffer.
The auto industry was doing fine otherwise. Obviously Ford, Toyota, Honda, Volkswagen, BMW, Mercedes, KIA and others were affected by the recession but not to the level of GM and Chrysler who were simply results of incompetent management and bad marketing decisions.
Today we are no longer just the "Big Three" in its historic sense. The US auto industry is an amalgam of domestic and foreign manufacturers. The Big Three is not even a true description as Chrysler is now a foreign company owned by Italy's Fiat.
By the way, I hope all you "anti-outsourcers" appreciate the level of outsourcing these foreign companies have done to bring all these jobs to the United States. Maybe someday you'll understand the need and benefit of outsourcing in the 21st century economies.
GM should have and could have gone through a LEGAL Chapter 11 bankruptcy under the rule of law. The fact that first Bush and then Barrack Hussein abrogated the purpose and structure of the TARP bailouts should be alarming to even the staunchest Liberal Constitution haters. Barrack Hussein, being an alleged Constitutional scholar, should have seen this and disallowed it. His Constitutional usurpations have been many unfortunately.
The notion that credit was "frozen" is nonsense. As Romney stated, all the government had to do was to back the investors that would have been screaming to be a part of restructuring 2 companies like GM or Chrysler and the process would have been complete. If it was so impossible, how did Fiat buy Chrysler? They would have done it with government money or money from banks backed by the government.
The big difference would have been the fact that in a legal bankruptcy, the laws established would have been enforced. Rightful creditors and bond holders would have been made whole rather than crony unions and their bloated pensions. Maintaining contractual agreements is one of the federal governments Enumerated Powers. This was not only ignored, it was violated.
Yes, George Bush and Barrack Hussein saved GM, they DID NOT save an industry. Ford is the better company, Chrysler is a foreign company now and GM will continue to struggle under the mandates of government ideology rather than market forces. The abysmal failure of the Chevy Volt is proof of the governments incompetence. Forcing "green" products on uninterested consumers will never fix GM.
GM, still owes US taxpayers over $42 Billion. $27 billion is owed on the nearly $50 billion it received from the auto bailout and Ally Bank, the company’s lending arm, owes $14.7 billion of the $17.2 billion taxpayer-funded bailout it received.
GM has posted profits of $4.7 billion in 2010 and $7.6 billion in 2011, where is the tax-payers portion of those profits? When will GM start repaying its outstanding debt? Profits have fallen 41% this last quarter. GM’s developments of models that will reach the new CAFÉ standards are less than promising.
GM shares are currently trading at $23 a share. In order to recover our investment GM shares need to trade at greater than $53. This could take decades.
Consumer Reports magazine's "predicted reliability" ranking announced Monday showed all four Chrysler brands in the bottom half of the 28 brands rated.
Jeep was the top Chrysler nameplate, at 19th. Chrysler, Dodge and Ram clustered at 23rd through 25th.
Unfortunately for Chrysler Group, that reinforces a stereotype that Detroit brands generally, and Chrysler's in particular, have trouble matching the best overseas makes.
An auto company wasn’t saved, it was given a second chance. History is not on GM’s side. The question is, how badly taxpayers and future Constitutional decisions will be affected?
The simplest solution is to not give Barrack Hussein any further chances to abuse the rule of law for his cronies and the unions.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©
NOTE: Liberals/Progressives remember to vote on November 7th
Black and White cat and Pat Boston MA.-- You two are preaching to the choir with me, when it comes to Rachel Maddow!! I am an ENORMOUS fan of hers, her sense of humor, her compassion for others, her ABSOLUTE PASSION for the TRUTH, and the way that she digs right to the TRUE HEART of things that matter to us ALL, and something else... she's NOT AFRAID to say when she has made a mistake! She is one hell of a smart cookie, and deserves the utmost respect for the great job she does! If neither of you have read "DRIFT" yet, get a copy, a GREAT READ I could'nt put it down.
Bill-2910238
The Romney ad says "Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy and sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China.
Looks like the ad is absolutely accurate and Biden is once again telling lies to cover up for the Obama Administrations total failure in job creation, economic recovery, and foreign policy.
This campaign need to be about BIG ISSUES (unemployment, little to no recovery, falling salaries, foreign policy failure like Benghazi, ...) NOT about BIG BIRD. Sorry but Obama/Biden have no plan to address these area except more of the failed policies of the last four years. It is time for a change that we can have hope in.
Translated: More Lyan From Ryan.
This appears now to start backfiring in Ohio. It could also affect negatively votes in Michigan so I hope they continue. :)
GOP Spin is really pathetic. The bottom line Mitt Romney on recorded media told the press that he felt the Auto Industry in America should go bankrupt. That is the corporate raider make a profit and cut your losses mentality. Romney is unfit for any governmental position as he told American famlies to go screw yourself and suffer from the bankruptcies.
No thank you Mitt, you are the problem and not the solution. Early voting in Ohio is kicking your @ss out of this state. You lose. Let's roll President Obama!!
I encourage the baggers and republicans to double down on this argument. It is backfiring on them, and they are the only ones that can't see it.
Obama did not 'take GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy'. Both companies were going under anyway. Obama provided short term cash flow to keep them going while they reorganized. These are facts that Lyin' Ryan chooses to ignore. It is called willful ignorance. I will condone it just this once, because it is sinking Wrongme's ship.
Secondly, the reason GM and Chrysler are expanding production overseas is because they are selling more cars here and abroad, and shipping is expensive. That's it. No US production capacity is being lost. It is simply cheaper to produce the product in the country where they are sold. You'd think a 'successful businessman' and a 'budget genius' would be able to figure that out. That's ok, too. The American people figured it out.
Obama/Biden 2012 - Romney/Ryan 1040
Show proof Benghazi was preventable. And I mean PROOF not BS accusations with no proof. You know the difference. If you don't then you're too stupid to debate with so don't bother replying with lies.
And lastly, tell me why even knowing you're standing behind LIES you still wish to? It speaks volumes to your honesty in my book.
BO
Gee, all those articles I found from mainstream sources says Romney ahead in Florida & North Carolina. Obama Ahead in Iowa and Nevada.
Ohio and a number of other states they refused to comment on because Democrat or Republicans are not on numbers turned int.
The Obama team says we are ahead in Ohio, The Romney teams says they are.
The Obama team is going based off of 2008. Why not? That is how the won. They added up the early voting for counties they won and those that McCain won proclaimed they are further ahead than in 2008 with them having a 150,000 to 250,000 vote advantage The problem is 2010 says 2008 is not the reality. Voting percentages returned closer to 2004 numbers which means the turnout is going to be between 2008 & 2004.
Republicans since have gone through the data and found that Republican precincts in the counties are up betwee 5% & 11% and democrats are down between 4% & 8%.
Anyone saying the Democrats are wining big are full of it! This entire election season has been about giving the impression that Obama is inevitable. The only way he is inevitable is if you buy what the Democrats are selling.
Nope? I didn't think so. Nothing but HOT AIR and LIES.
It doesn't matter who you have say it, a lie is a lie.
Romney campaign has lied more than any campaign in history.
it interesting to me..Ryan complains about whjat Obama did for the auto industry..where he did nothing at all. He claims not to like the funds handed out to the states but did not have any problems in going after that money in his state..who benefited from it.
So, you're buying what Rmoney is selling???
Tell us, do you even know what he's selling?? Does anybody know??
Right wingers - vague generalities are all they need
JimSpence..I guess it must have been ok then for Bush to bailout the banks..why should they have not been let to go under as you would have allowed the auto companiesd to do ? I guess having that many more people loose their jobs would have been fine with you and the republican party. If , as Romney has claimed he wants to do..and that is do away with social security..then stop taking that money out of our checks since it was not a tax when that started.. want to bet under Romney..that does not happen...more than likely it will go up for all making under the 106K mark..which will effect none of his wealthy friends..including himself. There is lots of blame to go around on job losses from this nation to others..but look at facts first..we have a 1% considered to be the wealthy..we have in congress around 40% that are wealthy...you tell me just who they will take care of ?
Backhouse and Bob: As I had said, Mitt Romney's ads are technically true. Chrysler and GM did go through a bankruptcy. Chrysler is planning to build more jeeps in China, for the Chinese market.
However, like the man who was intending to cheat on his wife and destroy his marriage, but did not "see any woman", Mitt Romney plans to screw the middle class and destroy America.
Nice to see that Romney had to give people food and clothing to give to him during his photo session.
Does anyone know what he's going to do with all the stuff he bought, since the Red Cross doesn't want it ?
What's absolutely pathetic is the core group of followers these two liars have. They are definitely the "anybody but Obama," crowd. You have Jeep telling the Romney campaign that's not how it went, but the core group believes Romney/Ryan before they believe the company they are lying about.
Mitt and Ann Romney made at least $15.3 million from the bailout..and a few of Romney's most important Wall Street donors made more than $4 billion. This is an interesting read, link below, talk about hypocrites. Just another reason why Romney does not want you to see his tax returns!
http://www.thenation.com/article/170644/mitt-romneys-bailout-bonanza?rel=emailNation#
Abortion - Claimed he was Pro-Choice, now opposes all abortions, except in cases of rape or incest.
Medicare - Proposed "vouchering" Medicare - now claims only Gen-X benes [55 and older] would get the voucher plan.
Foreign Policy - Was a war hawk - then he swang to the left of Obama
Detroit Auto Bailout - Said, "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" - then, in debate, claiming he was for the bail out.
Blunt Act/Contraceptives/Employers - Said he was against it - in debate, claim he's OK with employer-provided contraceptives in health care plan.
ObamaCare - Criticized it - but, had similar plan in MA - saying he would repeal it.
I believe it was McConnell, and the GOP Obstructionist 13 which happened to include none other than Paul Ryan, their WANNABE VP, who started this. Most people, including me, couldn't find a reasonable explanation as to why on inauguration day, January 20, 2009, instead of these 13 Congressmen attending this President's inauguration, they were held up in a hotel room plotting to sabotage everything President Obama plans in the upcoming 4 years, 2009-2012. They didn't really know him, or give him an opportunity, their assault was forceful from day one:
Romney know there's an ignorant group of 47%ers who will vote for them no matter what, so, in subliminal fashion, the republicans continue to feed that ignorant group, lies, they eat it like candy, says it's good, and wants more. It doesn't matter to that republican group, that those lies will hurt them, their ignorance is fueled by "Anyone but Obama," and fed by republican bulls— — _!
OBAMA/BIDEN....2012!!!!
The GOP Gym Rat is as comfortable lying about the auto industry as a fish is in the Pacific. Chrysler said about Romney that his claims were "inaccurate" and that it was clear he didn't understand the American automotive industry. I'm sure that goes double for lyin' Ryan.
Concern Citizen-856329
No her name is Jen Pasaki. She is a paid Political Blogger for Obama. She gets the articles first from MSNBC so she can be the first to post.
Sorry Jen you have been outed.
If she is, she's doing a wonderful job....BRAVO!!!!
OBAMA/BIDEN....2012!!!!
Oh, really, that statement of yours above and the facts below, throws the rest of your post into GIGO status.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/chrysler-sales-rise-10-percent-a-sign-that-october-sales-will-be-strong-despite-storm/2012/11/01/36a73aa8-241e-11e2-92f8-7f9c4daf276a_story.html
Seems Chrysler and GM are still ahead of Ford....Go figure that.
OBAMA/BIDEN....2012!!!!
Everyone has a price I guess and I wonder what Jen was paid for her vote?
CantAffordNoMore [#1.8 - Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:52 PM EDT]
"miners are now speaking out"
Where have you been? The "Last Wednesday" which is referred to is Wednesday, October 10! And that rally. . . it took place on August 14!
And as reported in The Cleveland Plain Dealer [Tuesday, August 28, 2012]
”The Pepper Pike company that owns the Century Mine told workers that attending the Aug. 14 Romney event would be both mandatory and unpaid, a top company official said Monday morning in a West Virginia radio interview.
A group of employees who feared they'd be fired if they didn't attend the campaign rally in Beallsville, Ohio, complained about it to WWVA radio station talk show host David Blomquist. Blomquist discussed their beefs on the air Monday with Murray Energy Chief Financial Officer Rob Moore.
Moore told Blomquist that managers "communicated to our workforce that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend." He said the company did not penalize no-shows. [was made bold for emphasis]
Because the company's mine had to be shut down for "safety and security" reasons during Romney's visit, Moore confirmed workers were not paid that day. He said miners also lose pay when weather or power outages shut down the mine, and noted that federal election law doesn't let companies pay workers to attend political events.
Moore said he didn't see anything negative in attending Romney's campaign appearance with U.S. Sen. Rob Portman and Ohio Treasurer Josh Mandel.”
Don't you think that, if you were any of the miners who complained about their mandatory attendance and feared retribution, you would backtrack also??
After M.T. Suit and Ryan the Math Whiz Kid (who's plans oddly never seem to add up) are done losing this election, they need to head directly over to NASA because they have proven that they know more about spinning things than the people running the human centrifuge facilities. I can't begin to follow the convoluted logic these two clowns are using to turn the auto bailout into a failure for America and an example of their "superior" plan .... which was DOA when it was proposed in the first place. These two financial geniuses seem to keep conveniently forgetting that at the time no private institution was in a position let alone willing to lend money directly to GM or Chrysler. So, something had to be done immediately or those two companies would have been decimated, along with much of the US universe of suppliers and services for the auto industry - that would have caused harm to Ford and some of the foreign manufacturers with plants here as well.
Nobody is happy about the billions we may not recover; truth is that nobody is really quite sure how this could turn out - note that the recent storm ruined a lot of new and used inventory; with the typical post-election bump and consumer confidence up, there may be some improved sales numbers in 2013 from domestic autos. However; even if it all stopped right now and we tallied it up, we're so much better off than if Romney's advice at the time (and even current spun view of history) was followed.
Regardless of political ideology, Romney's argument is ridiculous from a business perspective. I cannot believe that he's really that stupid about manufacturing - at least I don't want to think so even though he never actually did any himself, but I now believe his campaign is that desperate that they are throwing anything they can against the wall to see what sticks. This stuff about the auto bailout is dumb strategic move on his part ... IMHO.
Even though it's busting at the seams with passengers, go ahead ryan, jump on that GOP idiot train.
Still peddling that right-wing pap, JimSpence?
Why are you so afraid of a fair election, Jimmy-boy?
Any and all REAL AMERICANS wouldn't be afraid, they'd welcome it. Well, so be it then, you've defined yourself.
CantAffordNoMore
Didn't we all get screwed by the likes of Romney?
The auto bailout saved the country from a depression.
When you make a statement like yours, be sure you have the facts that are not dished out by FOX NEWS.
What President Obama paid everybody for their vote was not health-care but health insurance and the fact that you now have to buy it. Remember people he has done nothing but allow illegal immigrants to stay in this Country with out the legal authority to do so in violation of his oath of office and the Constitution. Then he has forced everybody to buy health insurance which does nothing for health care but burden the health care system and those who do not buy it will be now get this, penalized which according to the United States Supreme Court makes it illegal for the Government to do unless it is a tax, which President Obama has already said it is NOT. So Obamacare is illegal by his own admittance. So how truthful is this President and what else has he done except order the killing of OBL.
Vote for Mr. Obama.....Vote for STATISM (MORE spending......MORE government control......MORE control over you):
Vote for Mr. Obama.....he ALWAYS TELLS THE TRUTH:
Vote for Mr. Obama.....see his un-informed followers:
Vote for Mr. Obama.....this is the way Progressives argue:
The above links are for you.......Jennifer.
I wondered what you did between rounds of Obama Golf.....and that is post on Newsvine.
Pippo Schillaci....."The auto bailout saved the country from a depression."
Yeah, right.....Government Motors is about to ask for ANOTHER BAILOUT while it is mired in Union worker pension debt, losing money each quarter, and has reduced sales.
1. Taxpayers will lose $ 23,000,000,000 to Government Motors BAILOUT. The Treasury Department estimates that taxpayers will lose $23 billion on the auto bailout. Sherk and co-author Todd Zywicki find that none of these losses came from saving jobs, but instead went to prop up the compensation of some of the most highly paid workers in America.
2. Taxpayers own 500 million shares of Government Motors. So far, GM has paid back $23.1 billion to the U.S. Treasury, including $6.7 billion in loans, $13.5 billion in proceeds from GM's November 2010 IPO, and $2.1 billion worth of preferred shares it purchased from the government in December 2010. But taxpayers still own 500 million shares of GM stock, which at today's price, are worth $10 billion.
3. Government Motors on verge of ANOTHER BAILOUT. Right now, the federal government owns 500,000,000 shares of GM, or about 26% of the company. It would need to get about $ 53.00/share for these to break even on the bailout, but the stock closed at only $20.21/share on Tuesday. This left the government holding $10.1 billion worth of stock, and sitting on an unrealized loss of $16.4 billion.
4. Government Motors employees to get $ 1,000 bonus (NOT REPORTED IN LIBERAL MEDIA). An official with the local United Auto Workers union told members in an email this week that eligible members of unions representing General Motors would be receiving a $1,000 bonus on Friday.
5. Government Motors has $134,000,000,000 pension obligations on the books. It's the latest, and boldest, step to ease GM's massive pension burden. Chief Financial Officer Daniel Amman said the changes would erase $26 billion from GM's $134 billion worldwide pension obligation and "set the groundwork" for further actions.
Yep, Mr. Obama saved the auto industry and the World from a great depression.
Still waiting on him "earning" his Nobel Peace Prize. Wait a minute.....his ME appeasement continues with the "no media interest" and his "lack of leadership" in the Benghazi attack which killed FOUR Americans.
In other news; Bloomberg endorses Obama! As does Colin Powell, two men of great integrity going with the winner.
Ido...
Wow...seriously...YouTube? That's about on par with Sarah Palin's re-writing of Paul Revere's ride on Wiki. Anybody with a camera can put something up on youtube and you try and claim the high ground with that as "gospel"? Sad...truly sad. But if it's all you've got then run with it.
Seems the links in your trailing post are mostly older...June...August. Last I looked, it's November already...you probably wouldn't consider that, just possibly, things may have changed in the intervening time, would you? No, probably not...
Well, here's one back at ya...it only goes back as far as the first debate...no more, but pay close attention to how Romney's statements are proven as false...or lies. And, as we've all come to learn, Mitt hasn't stopped the lying yet. The video isn't long, but get some popcorn and your favorite libation if you'd like...enjoy...
http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/16/30-romney-lies-nailed-in-video/
Remember...these are only Mitt's remarks from one debate.
Ryan joins Romney in the auto attack? Gwaddamn! What a smart strategy! On a cold night with a roaring fire to keep 'em warm, Old Mother Hubbard allows all them young'ans to piss in the fireplace, rather than go out into the cold and do it before they retire to bed. Some people just ain't got a brain in their head.
moshuluu
GM still owes taxpayers $42 billion from the GM bailout and Ally Financials bailout.
Chrysler is no longer an American company, over 60% is owned by Italy's Fiat.
Ford took no bailout money.
Ford is better.
Barrack hussein did NOT save an auto industry.
He saved 2 failing auto manufacturers that should have gone through a structured Chapter 11 bankruptcy. They would have restructured, LEGALLY dispersed assets according to contractual agreements, they could have renegotiated GM's $128 billion pension debt and they could have emerged much healthier.
Chrysler has been a poorly run company since the 70's. It already went bankrupt in the 80's.
Fiat is struggling in Italy to maintain its workforce according to their union rules. Alfa Romeo and Maserati sales are down for Fiat as they condense production in Italy. Their attempts to compete against BMW and Mercedes seems like wishful thinking at best. If they have to increase their profits they will either move certain US productions to Italy or China to maintain their profits and mandated workforce.
Chrysler and all of the Chrysler Group's vehicle brands have come in dead last in JD Power and Associates Reliability Survey this past February.
You can dream for the best for Barrack Hussein, the reality is these two car manufacturers will struggle for years just as they have done in the past.
Ford and the auto industry will do just fine.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©
NOTE: Liberals/Progressives remember to vote on November 7th.
JimSpent...
See post #1.71...see if you get any traction with that "note" of yours.
Romney is about to be charged in court for violating the Federal Ethics in Government law.
In 2009, Ann Romney partnered with her husband's key donor, billionaire Paul Singer, who secretly bought a controlling interest in Delphi Auto, the former GM auto parts division. Singer's hedge fund, Elliott Management, threatened to cut off GM's supply of steering columns unless GM and the government's TARP auto bail-out fund provided Delphi with huge payments. While the US treasury complained this was "extortion," the hedge funds received, ultimately, $12.9 billion in taxpayer subsidies.
As a result, the shares Singer and Romney bought for just 67 cents are today worth over $30, a 4,000% gain. Singer's hedge fund made a profit of $1.27 billion and the Romney's tens of millions. G.Palast
ivan, NC (#1.60)
You seem to have me confused with someone who supports G.W. Bush. I did vote for him simply under the argument of who he was running against. I didn’t approve of many of his policies and I still don’t. His profligate spending scared me more than anything but Barrack Husseins scares the hell out of me.
I would have let the banks fail. Yes, it would have caused a deeper recession but a real message would have been sent to anyone considering further financial machinations that brought the financial and housing sectors down. A true free-market rewards winners and punishes losers. The moment Henry Paulson abrogated the TARP funds to use for the auto bailouts the gauntlet was set.
We have done NOTHING to strengthen regulations in the financial sector. If you think Dodo-Frank is anything more than 2,300 pages of government mental masturbation, you deserve the next collapse. When Congress found charges against Golden sacks and then the Department of Justice just decided not to prosecute you should be able to see the stupidity of regulations. We don’t need MORE regulations we need BETTER regulations that actually punish offenders. When we had MF Globals, Jon Corzine, just lose over $2 billion of customers money and nothing was done, once again the DOJ just ignoring prosecution, something is wrong.
We all know that the bailouts of GM and Chrysler were simple pandering to the unions and special interests by Barrack Hussein. It’s a shame because the massive pension shortfalls they allowed to remain will be the downfall of GM in the future. That’s OK, regardless of what many advocates of Barrack Husseins unconstitutional intrusion into contract laws say, some foreign company will just buy GM next time like they did Chrysler this time.
As far as Social Security is concerned we should all want to see it done away with. Unfortunately most Americans have been so indoctrinated into thinking that the government can take care of our money better than we can that they are afraid to learn how to invest their own money. This has happened for two reasons. The first is the government doesn’t want you to be knowledgeable enough to invest your own money, and second, Wall Street wants the same thing. Ask any high school student if they know the difference between an equity and a commodity and they’ll stare at you for hours. This leads to a whole discussion of our criminal government run Department of Education. A topic for a future discussions.
You Liberals need to stop demonizing the dreaded “1%”, the “rich” and other bogeymen. I doubt any of you have grown up wanting to be poor or middle class. But I bet most of you have wanted to grow up to be rich. If you think things are so “unfair” then you need to demand real change. You’ll never catch up by tweaking our criminal progressive tax system, we’ve been doing that for a century and we still can’t get it right. You’ll never catch up as we allow all levels of trade deficiencies to continue. The 2,000 page NAFTA agreement, which has over 900 pages of “tariffs”, and the 29,000 pages of the WTO which are mere controls have nothing to do with trade. Our 144,000 pages of, mostly outdated and commerce inhibiting, regulations will never allow you to compete in business with the international conglomerates. An energy policy built on ideological and crony favoring decisions will never help our need for more commerce that needs affordable energy.
If you want real change, stop praying at the altar of government inefficiency and corruption and join the ranks of the real free-market. Stop reveling in some dysfunctional social and economic justice paradigm and embrace a smaller government mandated by its Enumerated Powers with the rest of the Implied Powers with the State and the People. Stop hoping for fairness and equal outcomes, history is against that from the dawn of humanity.
Instead of listening to a man who promotes mediocrity and more control of your life look to a man who believes you can take care of yourself, your family and your friends and control your own life.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©
NOTE: Liberals/Progressives remember to vote on November 7th.
Still running from your words, aren't you Jimmy-boy?
Can't answer the question, can you...why are Republicans/Conservatives so afraid of fair elections?
Could it be that the answer is all too obvious?
Why yes...it surely is.
Little "Richie Rich" Ryan is following like a true GOP/RNC "Zombie." He has not common sense at all, and he say anything to lie for his 'boss.' The "Gross Odd Person" here is little "Richie Rich" Ryan, and he has no competency at all. The GOP/Tea Begger's are "Pathological Liar's" on a grand scale. Jeep and Chrysler have called out the GOP/RNC "Campaign Of Clowns." As "Pathological Liars." and have no understanding of the Auto Industry at all. Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! The Party Of No has got to go!
It doesn't matter who you have say it, a lie is a lie.
Romney campaign has lied more than any campaign in history.
Eddie Munster speaks
Thank you very much Backhouse for mentioning Sensata Technologies in Freeport Illinois. Please help Progressive Power get out the message of what is continuing to happen in Freeport Illinois. It is just very heart breaking to see, and our fellow citizens are in great agony in Freeport Illinois. Feisty your help would be very much appreciated. Let us all get out the word to our representatives, and the President. Get out and vote America!
While President Obama and Gov. Christie are acting like statesmen and doing what is in the best interests for the country, Willard and Eddie are yapping up this Chrysler lie like the small, petty useless jackals that they are. In one week, we will not need to hear about them any more.
If Willard is really concerned about US jobs being shipped overseas, why doesn't he make a telephone call to Bain telling them not to close the plant in Freeport IL?
Great post, Al.
Unfortunately next week, after the elections, the WRNJs are going to be complaining that people couldn't vote because of ____________________.
Obama/Biden 2012
Wouldn't that be ironic? The party of voter suppression hoised by their own petard!
Lots of young people and folks of color at the Franklin County early voting site tonight! Most all I saw were carrying the Democrat Voter Guide! They had over 100 machines and all were busy while we were there! Ohio is going for the President! They fallacy of the Vulture/Voucher ticket is showing through! Just look at the reports out of my home town Dayton. The Sandy "relief" photo op; $5000 spent purchasing stuff from Walmart? Hell, Myth was going to bet $10,000 with the moron from Texas, at least he could double down on that bet!
Oh and 15 questions to Myth concerning his stance on axing FEMA, not one answered! Run Myth, run. By the way, where are the 2009 tax returns..... You know, the ones that show you took the amnesty for your felonious off shore accounts from the IRS? Hmmmmmm.
What? And miss adding more millions to his millions. Now that would be unthinkable to Romney.
This is Romney/Ryan in a nutshell "scurrilous and flagrantly dishonest"...they just got caught red-handed this time! For some odd reason, though, this time Romney is doubling down on their lies.
Sueb1 - I seriously think the both of them have acted this way all of their lives! If they continue to state that it's the truth, it turns into truth in their heads, and they assume it will in ours.
It's actually part of a diagnosis of a narcissistic personality disorder. Go figure.
Obama/Biden 2012
Layton - they are true sociopaths. They can lie to anyone and not even blink. It's just the norm for them. How sad to spend your life that way! How sad anyone actually believes them!!!!
Obama/Biden 2012
Layton, I believe you're right; but, they make my head hurt!
They make everyone's head hurt. I literally have to change the channel whenever either Romney or Lyin is up on stage making fools of themselves.
Layton-- Ha! You have hit the nail right on the head once again my friend!!! Narcissistic Personality Disorder, the perfect diagnosis for those two clowns! The only problem is, they have other people who actually BELIEVE THEM, and that is truly a tragedy. Of course you do realize that the definition of a narcissist, is someone who has such great love and esteem for THEMSELVES, that they don't really care about anyone else? And that sociopaths actually KNOW the difference between right and wrong, but could care less, because they live by NO-ONES RULES BUT THEIR OWN, so that means getting what they want, by ANY means possible, if they have to lie, cheat or steal, to get it they'll do it!!
I'm lead to believe from latest polls that the good citizens of Ohio have more Brains than Mitt Romney.
Anyone can see how Romney's entire campaign path has always been to Follow from behind and try to destroy it. No leadership there at all. No imagination, innovation...just Take from Obama and destroy it. Seems this has been his legacy all along even with Bain companies.
Lyin Ryan:
Blah, blah, lie, lie, blah, blah, blah, lie, lie, lie, blah blah, lie, blah, blah, lie, lie, blah, blah.
You are going down, Marathon Man!
O&Joe 2012!
Chrysler and GM are in Obama's pocket. They say what they are told to say. Fiat is planing on building Jeeps in China.I believe for the Asian market. Also in Italy. Those Italian cars to be sent here for installation of engine and transmission.
Chrysler and GM are grateful!
The electoral college maps I typically view, Rasmussen, 538, RCP, have President Obama ahead by double digits.
And from Gallup:
Americans Still Give Obama Better Odds to Win Election
54% of Americans think Obama will win; 34% predict Romney
Americans Generally Have Been Accurate at Predicting the Winner
Americans have a good track record regarding their collective prediction of the outcome of presidential elections, correctly predicting the winner of the popular vote in final Gallup surveys taken in 1996, 2000, 2004, and 2008. Although Americans are not as optimistic on Obama's odds as various "prediction markets," such as Intrade.com, where the president has often been projected as having a probability of winning of more than 60%, the prediction markets and the American public in general find Obama the favorite against Romney. The 2012 presidential election outcome will help determine how accurate Americans are in their personal predictions.
What Lyin' Ryan is not explaining is that Jeep is expanding production in the US and all over the world. Jeep is going to make money in China and bring that money back to the US !!!!!
I don't see how it is bad for a company to open manufacturing elsewhere in the world, so long as they don't reduce US production by doing so. Import taxes, transportation, the currency differences and the labor differences all make importing to China more expensive than production in China for the Chinese market. Its the same reason Japan, German and Korean companies produce their cars in the US.
With sufficient tariffs, much of the production in China, India and Indonesia would also return to the US.
Mitt: Flippity floppity again....this time on FEMA...which he said during the primaries he would get rid of....now he is singing a different tune....what a shock...NOT!
Now, a week before Election Day, after of a massive disaster, Romney's campaign is reassuring voters that his administration wouldn't leave disaster victims in the lurch. The public's attention is locked on the devastation caused by Sandy at a time when Romney and President Barack Obama are locked in a close presidential campaign. With Obama heavily involved in getting federal funds to those in trouble, the Romney campaign moved quickly to reassure the public it supports a strong program of storm relief.
"I believe that FEMA plays a key role in working with states and localities to prepare for and respond to natural disasters," Romney said in a statement supplied by his campaign Wednesday. "As president, I will ensure FEMA has the funding it needs to fulfill its mission, while directing maximum resources to the first responders who work tirelessly to help those in need, because states and localities are in the best position to get aid to the individuals and communities affected by natural disasters."
Republicans will promise you anything. Remember in 2010 when they ran on jobs, jobs, jobs and have since passed over 50 bills limiting women's rights and not one bill for jobs. In fact the republicans voted against jobs for our returning veterans.
It takes a real fool to fall for the republican lies twice.
This is the statement that bush could never get right.
Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me
This has been Governor Romney's position all along. He believes that states and local municipalities would likely serve their areas better and more efficiently. I don't believe that's a flip flop.
When the President spoke at the Red Cross, he said if those asking for help get bogged down in the bureaucracy, delays and red tape, they should call the White House. Seems the President believes the structure of FEMA has bureaucracy, delays and red tape....
Thoughts and prayers to those affected by that storm.
Candace,
I saw the replay of the primary debate and heard Romney say that he would defund FEMA. Now he would not.
It is not about political theory or vision about the role of states and federal government. it is not a contest.
It is about cooperation and all working together. Each has a part to play.
The goal is to restore power, clean water, cleanup the streets, begin the rebuilding and how the infrastructure can improved.
Those folks, are not Republicans or Democrats first, who have lost their homes, cannot get to work or to school, they are our fellow citizens.I expect our government at all levels will respond.
Hi Northstar.
You're absolutely right that the goal is to restore power, rebuild and take care of the people. Romney's theory of "directing maximum resources" to the states -- as opposed to a bloated department in Washington --- makes sense to me. The States know more about their people and their infrastructure. The emergency and contingency plans in New York are very different than those in Kansas, for example.
I expect the government at all levels to respond too. But given more of the resources that are currently allocated to FEMA in Washington, I think the states could play a larger role --- respond more quickly and more effectively to the needs of their people.
Hey, Candice! Greetings from one grounded in Key West.
My home state of New Jersey has two major power companies- PSE&G, based in New Jersey, and JCP&L, a subsidiary of Ohio-based First Energy.
You will never find a more perfect duo to exemplify why FEMA needs to be broken out of Washington.
This disastrous hurricane is, in fact, unusual for us; normally, we are besieged by weather phenomena known as Nor'Easters. They pack a wallop of wind and rain; down trees, cut power- and can bring tons of snow with them.
Typically, PSE&G customers are up and running pretty efficiently- and, in fact, they have 40% or so of their customers "juiced" now, and expect to have everybody back on the grid by Monday.
JCP&L? Well, maybe a week from today- or, maybe, two weeks. Or, whenever.
If that doesn't tell you all you need to know about why regional disaster relief is preferable to centralized relief, I don't know what would. The fact is, the efficient company has all its contractors within the state- the out of state company pulls from around the country- well-meaning folks who don't know the area. Last year, when our power was out for a week after Ireene, some poor guy from Oregon was looking for a downed tree in my neighborhood. He was three towns, and fifty miles, off course.
By the way, the state based company had as many ravaged areas as the out of state company. We are kind of a small state, after all, geographically speaking.
Having all the FEMA bureaucrats in Washington makes no sense to me- in times of disaster, precious time is wasted getting them up to speed on regional issues- and they are in the position of being jacks of all trades, masters of none. Does someone who headed up the relief efforts after an earthquake in California know what the heck to do in the aftermath of an east coast hurricane?
Not bloody likely.
FEMA, at the least, ought to be regional- to shake some of the inefficiency out of the system. Or, let's go hogwild, and block grant it to states that regularly get socked by tornadoes, hurricanes, and earthquakes- and regionalize it for states who may get disasters less often.
Common sense- too bad it's such a precious commodity.
Candice,
Seeing Christie , Obama, local officals together is a good day for all of us.
i live in the land of tornadoes, floods and bilzzards. it is not NJ but have more in common with Kansas.
I think we can do both , have a strong funded FEMA and strong state goverments which have resources for the next natural disaster. We are all in this together.
Have a nice evening Candice and we will both keep those without heat tonight in our prayers.
no joe, I just posted #2.10, and then saw yours above.
I agree. I was thinking re-allocate to states, but your regional idea even makes sense too.
Looking for common sense in Washington? We can only dream!
Northstar.
Too bad we tend to band together when disaster strikes, and then we so easily fade away when things get better.
I will be praying with you. You have a good evening, too!
1. The desperation of that whole auto industry commercial (as I referenced Chuck Todd earlier - they would not be running that ad if they thought they were winning in Ohio).
2. Mr. Ryan in MN (also via Chuck Todd - Mr. Ryan would not be there if they weren't looking for a different path to 270 electoral votes that they know they'll need because they are losing Ohio).
3. Mr. Romney's odd, semi-smiley non-break in campaigning during Hurricane Sandy (a move that looks just terrible especially when there are images of the President doing the right thing all over the East Coast).
4. And, as I said, Mr. Obama is doing his job right now and doing it well. Can't beat that a week before being re-elected.
These are the reasons to chill out Obama voters. It'll be ok.
mal: Like your post...but I won't "chill" until election is over and President Obama is re-elected....GOP will do anything to prevent that.
Dems....get out and vote...get your family, friends, neighbors out to vote...especially in those hard hit areas of Sandy....President Obama needs every vote...do not be complacent....vote....please.
malarson: I hope and pray you are right. Come hell or HIGH water get out and VOTE!
4 more 4 44
Headline should read 'Ryan is offensive".
The ONLY way Romney/Ryan get elected is through stealing the election...and I wouldn't put it past the GOP as they've shown over and over they are willing to do anything, including rigging the election to make sure President Obama is a "one term" president.....remember Mitch said that was his primary goal after President Obama's election.
Obama/Biden 2012
The GOPers are desperate! They know Ohio is going for the President! They are pulling out all the stops, the reputation of the Pale, Male and Stale doesn't mean anything anymore. They are a party of the past. 2010 was their last hurrah. They are going the way of the Edsel, a footnote to a failed past!
4 more for 44!
Well, ladies, gentlemen and undecideds, the final score at the polling places remains to be seen, but the final numbers are in on my strictly unscientific poll of Republicans who visit this page regularly!
1. 0% (zero per cent) of Republican commenters believe Mitt Romney has any core beliefs whatsoever- after your correspondent repeatedly asked probable Republican voters to cite one single example of a principle that Mitt Romney has held consistently and unwaveringly, not one of his "supporters" would do so. Not once!
2. 0% (zero per cent) of Republican commenters believe that their party has helped them in any way at all since the 2008 elections, or has passed, proposed or even talked about a single piece of legislation that was intended to help the working or middle class American family. Not one replied to your intrepid reporter with even one instance of G.O.P. action for the average American.
This leads the perspicacious observer to the inescapable conclusion that the average Republican voter is not motivated by a desire to make a better world for their children to grow up in, coupled to a belief that Mitt Romney is the man who can make that happen. I have never once seen somebody post, "I am supporting Mitt Romney because he represents my beliefs and my principles." I have never read, "I support Mitt Romney because he has a clearly articulated vision of where he wants to lead our country."
However, I have read mountains, blizzards, torrents and cascades of violent, hateful, and usually intellectually bankrupt and utterly insane rantings against the President we have now. That is clearly the only thing that the famously disciplined and united Republican electorate can agree on. Their candidate lies constantly, changes his positions with ever-increasing frequency, and like the spouse of a child abuser, they either don't notice at all or force themselves to believe that it's not really happening.
This is your party, then, Republicans. I'm sure Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt must be very proud of you.
@Fox,
Standing ovation!
I would add one thing, if I may:
This is your party, then, Republicans. I'm sure Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt must be very proud of you.
Not to mention Saint Ronald Reagan, who must be spinning in his grave because he would not pass the modern-day Republican Party's so-called "Purity Test".
Thank you, Bali! Yes, neither Reagan nor that notorious pinko- coddler Nixon would have a prayer in today's G.O.P.- what they would do to Eisenhower, who used Federal troops to enforce black kids' right to a decent education, in a public school no less, doesn't even bear thinking about.
We dont need to respond to a lefty loon like you..the country's response will be seen next Tuesday, wont it?
... but respond you did, just the same; and once again, it was not an affirmation of support for your candidate because he represents your ideals, but just a cheap shot at me. And this round goes to...
Bob
Are you going to guarantee a Romney victory the same way you guaranteed McDonald of VA was going to be Romneys VP?
Stupid is as stupid says. Lyin' Ryan just joins in the choir of stupid.
General Motors employs 207,000 people worldwide. 12,000 in Canada, 11,500 in Mexico, and 74,500 in the U.S. The balance ---- two thirds ---- are in other countries.
General Motors closed 13 of it's 47 plants in 2010 and has plans to close 3 more by 2014. In 2011, GM disclosed it will start IMPORTING TO the U.S. cars made in China and South Korea. This according to a presentation made to Congress in 2011.
So Jeep is expanding it's operations in China. Are those jeeps going to stay in China? Or will they, too, be exported to the U.S.? If they are imported here while they could be made here....that's an issue. And that's American jobs.
It is part of the global business plans of both GM and Chrysler to expand overseas. I venture to guess if GM finds it possible to manufacture in China and ship to the states, Jeep will figure it out as well.
Go to the Detroit news and read the article from head of Jeep...That is if you want the answer...
I would have chosen the ad that suggested Mr. Romney killed that steel worker's wife as the most flagrantly dishonest.....
let's see "Candice"....you said "ad suggested"
Ryan and Romney are "blatantly lying"....
guess that all balances out for you, eh?
btw - did you teapubs "suggest" Obama is not a U.S. citizen....or did you "blatantly lie"when you said he isn't?
No, b dune. The criticism of the Chrysler ad is that, while factually correct that the company is expanding overseas, it suggests that jobs will move overseas as well. But you knew that because you've read the actual articles pertaining to the issue.
BTW. I've always ignored those birthers who suggested the President is not a citizen, because they are over the edge. Your point?
The point is that you did not challenge their lies, and by remaining silent you gave credence to the lie. Hope you understand the difference. If not I am sure you understand the following quote:
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."
Gallup Daily poll coming out tomorrow...no doubt will show Romney ahead...
of course it will, they have switched the way they are polling to fit the GOP,or maybe fit the end of election..not sure. But since they are the only one out of many, I would have to call it suspect.
Gallup only polls eligible voters-not illegals, felons, dead, and moveouts! If they only knew who was voting all those absentee ballots that have gone out; Obama would be ahead!!
We get the government that we deserve-if we vote to give this clown a 2nd chance, then we as a nation are doomed.
dot -
You mean by that, that they aren't oversampling democrats by 9-10% any longer, of course.
Face it, if Obama can't even break even when sampling democrats at the same rate as republicans then Obama's campaign is actually toast.
I truly believe Romney / Ryan lose this election, But I am hoping Ryan also loses his seat in WI. I myself get to vote or in this case not vote for him...I hope he is embarrassed by his own behavior and would love to know what he teaches his children about lying?
All these "personal responsibility" & "take your country back tax payers " ads & talks are killing me here...People of WI only Ryan is allowed to have govt aide...Not you or anyone else in need... Oh and please make sure you all remember that if you are under 55...good luck with your retirement, you may want to invest in a dog food company or at least stock up on it...while you are still working...you may need it!
Awesome....LIB TARD nation out in full force....I haven't answered one poll yet in my SWING STATE...I spoke to someone else today in another. Its so annoying we just hang up the phone....BUT VOTING ROMNEY/RYAN....that's for SUUUUREE...YEEHAWWW. After the last 4 years with Barry the loser and "CHUCKLES" it's an EASY decision.....
Hey bucsdad... Just because you support Romney you do not need to resort to name calling. Everyone has an opinion. I for one believe Republicans are voting for Romeny not because they truly believe in him or feel he is the best the GOP had to offer but because it was all you had.
If he is elected I hope he can keep his facts straight and remember what orders he gave for particular situation. I have serious doubts he will remember anything and be a constant flip flop. It should keep his staff on their toes keeping track of his directions.
As for Ryan.... crazy nut. He will run Romney.... Just like Dick ran everything for Bush.
Oh SHUT UP....LIB TARD...YOU MAKE PUKE....!!!!
Obama
Yo Momma!
U Nose
Dis Brotha
Gots TO GO!!
dats rite:)
Hot Daddy. What exactly are you trying to articulate? Ignorant comment.
Fedup -
I understood him just fine.
He merely articulated his comment so that even those who live in the 'hood can understand.
hot daddy = bigoted moron
LYIN RYAN JUST EARNED ANOTHER ......................4 PINOCCHIOS..........
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
I don't understand how reporters can transcribe quotes like this without comment: "Those facts are inconvenient for the president but no one disputes them."
Ummm, GM and Chrysler's CEOs BOTH disputed those "facts" publicly and vehemently.
And they will continue to up until the point that they actually close a plant down and move it overseas.
We all know how it works. That's what happened with the plants that closed in 2010 and 2011. The upper management claimed that the rumors were false until they actually closed the plant.
Uhh...Chrysler called that claim "a leap that would be difficult even for professional circus acrobats. ..."
I believe Ryan would tell a lie on credit if he could get the truth for free. It seems like as soon as they tell a lie they actually believe it. All this spin is making me dizzy.
All of us, including Lyin' Ryan and Willard Wrongme, know these claims are false, yet they have decided up a course of willful ignorance.
I don't think America is going along with the show.