And your boy Obama said he would reduce, not increase the deficit...which one do you care about?

Obama lied with a straight face to the UN about Benghazi. Obama used the Executive privelege to cover up Fast and Furious also. We all did stupid sstuff as kids, lets worry about here and now. Obama has actually managed to make things worse than Bush left them.

gee who's the liar now?

Yeah - Obama is a liar, straight faced lied to the UN and the citizens of USA.

wyo, wyo keep up the sham? Romney is a proven liar! Even his wife said she worried about his mental stability. Looks like she has good reason to.

You must have him & his religion confused with a Christian/Christianity. The Triune God of the Christian NEVER condones telling a lie. Joseph Smith, the false prophet and founder of Mormonism surplanted God's Word in his "Book of Mormon" and actually tells faithful Mormons that it is OK to lie to forward the work of the LDS church. Since Romney sees himself as the fulfillment of a Mormon prophesy wherein a Mormon "saves" the Constitution & the nation (The White Horse Prophesy) he is doing "God's Will" and its OK to lie to accomplish that.

My Fellow Americans, BEWARE. and BE AWARE when you cast those ballots on Tuesday.

Actually Jeep will start manufacturing Jeeps for the local market in China. If you think jobs aren't leaving the US under all the new EPA regulations Obama created your fooling yourself.

Fewer regulations under Obama than under Bush and estimated cost is 0.03% to the economy according to Bloomberg.

Wyo... Fiat is used to regulations. It is an Italian company and I can assure you they are well used to regulations. Since both Fiat/Chrysler and GM sell all over the world and each nation has its own set of regulations (some of which are more stringent than the U.S.), I'm sure they can certainly handle them.

If you're talking about the new mileage standards - which won't be effective for a few more years anyway - they are nothing extraordinary. Plenty of countries have them. European Ford models have better MPGs than their U.S. counterparts - why do you think that is?

Eventually, however, we will need to stop and think about the kind of vehicles we are buying - not everyone needs a huge pick-up truck or a huge SUV. Oil is not an infinite resource - we can't ask young people of mostly poor and minority backgrounds to sacrifice themselves to fight wars for oil simply because some of us are too selfish to get more fuel-efficient vehicles or find alternatives to fossil fuels.

IT has nothing to do with that - I work for a govt agency that holds companies to emmission standards. Paper work has quadrupled in 4 years. Fees for equipment - like construction has doubled. We have a coal fired electric plant in Montana that's mothballed, the poor and elderly need transportation. Obama's Green Jobs - what a farce. Will have to be subsidized more than oil, coal. gas, put together. People who commute need to get to work. Small Farms do not sustain themselves, you have to get a job for benefits - like health. And China has fewer regulations and that's where blue collar jobs are going. To get coal to the West coast for shipment to China Obama is even putting regulations on that. IT's too much Govt.

Why don't you do your country a favor and quit your regulatory government job that is crushing business and leeching off of taxpayer money?

You do realize under a Romney administration your job and retirement is on the chopping block, right?

GM doesn't make Jeeps. Fiat/Chrysler does. They do have plans to make Jeeps in China. Not all Jeeps, however. Vote Wilkie!

o supremo..

you should join joe at sunset manor..

it is nice and peaceful there..

go fdr!!

oh..

gm/jeep will announce in January 2013..

plans to move all of their operations to italy and china..

thanks for playing!

I will forgive the GM vs. Chrysler/Fiat issue as it is not essential to the debate. Thank you for your perspective.

Things have gotten nastier - the attacks have gotten more absurd by the day. Let's look at this issue. Gov. Romney said that Chrysler was planning on moving jobs from the U.S. to China, NOT that Chrysler may add production in China while still keeping jobs in the U.S.

Again, let me repeat - Gov. Romney said those jobs in the U.S. would be going to China, thus inferring that these people would lose their jobs. This is -at best- a fabrication. At worst, it is a sad attempt to mislead people and obfuscate the facts.

Fiat S.p.A., which owns the majority of Chrysler, though its CEO, Sergio Marchionne, has refuted this assertion in no uncertain terms. Signor Marchionne's exact words were: "I feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position: Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China." This is a very clear statement.

In fact, Jeep is actually adding jobs (about 1,100). Yes, Fiat and Chrysler do have plants in China - for the Chinese consumers. That's how it works. Just like BMW and Hyundai and Toyota have plants in the U.S. for American consumers and certain car models.

Yet, some on this board keep spinning the notion that Gov. Romney was correct, despite evidence to the contrary (evidence being Mr. Marchionne's statement).

Can anyone refute what Mr. Marchionne said? Can anyone dispute the fact that the jobs ALREADY in the U.S. will not be going to China as stated rather strongly by Mr. Marchionne?

You mean Allah, correct?

Article VI, Paragraph 3, of the United States Constitution states: "[N]o religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

This means that the founders and writers of the Constitution did not care one bit about a person's religious beliefs and that they didn't matter in order to run for public office.

According to the Constitution - which Americans profess to love but stop reading after Article II - religion is not a consideration for public office. In other words, it doesn't matter if one believes in Odin or the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Allah or Zeus or the Christian version of God and so on. It doesn't even matter if one believes that some con-man in upstate New York was given tablets that only he could read at the bottom of the hat.

Bottom line - religion is not a factor or qualification for running for office. If you don't like it, take it up with the writers of the Constitution which is the law of the land.

I don't care if a President worships light sabers and wears corsets as ceremonial garb. That's not and should not be an issue.

Allah means 'God' in Arabic. I find it ironic that the same people who trot out Rev. Wright at the same time claiming that Obama is Muslim. Rev. Wright is not a Muslim. Neither is Mr. Obama. Even if he were, the U.S. Constitution is clear on this matter.

The "new" Dodge Dart is a great car, primarily because it is an Alfa Romeo. It has been a long time since there was a truly, completely American car.

Give me a Checker Marathon!

Can you provide a link to that report?

Not sure about your sources, but the Italian press is reporting that Fiat is actually closing down some of its plants in Italy because of lagging European sales and concentrating more on North America, according to them. Italians instead see this as Fiat abandoning its core market and the people that built the brand (Fiat owns Ferrari and a huge industrial machinery component, in addition to other brands).

Additionally, it would not make much financial sense for Fiat to move Jeep to Italy. Italian auto workers are heavily unionized; Italian workers don't have to worry about healthcare costs, though, but they do get a very generous pension, vacation benefits, paid paternity/maternity leave, etc., so it wouldn't be very advantageous for Fiat to do so, when they can remain in the U.S. and have more friendly policies and costs.

MILAN (Reuters) -- In a response to calls for clarity about Fiat's future investment plans, Fiat CEO Sergio Marchionne said the Italian automaker will not close any of its six Italian factories despite a plunging domestic car market.

The CEO, who also heads U.S. carmaker Chrysler, was quoted by the Rome daily La Repubblica as saying the company was committed to maintaining operations in Italy.

"We're in a dramatic situation here, and I've never talked about plant closures, I've never said I wanted to leave," he said. "I can assure you that it's a huge responsibility to make these choices today."

Marchionne defended his decision to delay Italian investment on new car models, which has come under renewed criticism in recent days. Fiat has spent 1 billion euros ($1.3 billion) on opening a second factory in Turin, where it is making new high-end Maseratis, he said, and 800 million on its plant near Naples.

Marchionne has come under pressure to provide details of Fiat's strategy in Italy as the economic recession heightens concerns over possible job losses at the country's biggest private employer.

The industry and labor ministers have said they want to meet Marchionne for talks.

Marchionne told the newspaper that Fiat had spent 800 million euros developing a new version of its Panda minicar "but it isn't selling, because there is no market."

Fiat has been forced to idle its factories in Italy, where car sales have fallen back to levels not seen in 40 years. The company is expected to continue to temporarily halt production off and on throughout the third and fourth quarters, union sources told Reuters last week.

Marchionne did not discuss financial or market targets in the two-page interview with La Repubblica, except to say that the car market in Italy next year will "be very, very bad."

He said his business strategy was to exploit the strong car market in the United States in order to "protect the presence of Fiat in Italy and Europe" where the company has accumulated losses of 700 million euros so far this year.

Italian unions say Marchionne should meet with government ministers to reveal his investment plans.

"If, as all signs indicate, Fiat is oriented towards cutting production [in Italy], then [the government] should ask itself how to attract another manufacturer," said CGIL union leader Susanna Camusso in an interview with L'Unita' newspaper.

On Tuesday, data from the European industry association ACEA, showed new-car sales in EU and EFTA countries fell 8.5 percent in August, as demand in southern Europe slumped.

Sales of Fiat Group vehicles fell 17.7 percent in the same period, cutting Fiat's European market share from 5.8 percent to 5.2 percent, ACEA said.

Automotive News Europe contributed to this report

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They are leading the popular vote by 5% nationwide.

Perhaps their internal data poll is showing them a very stark situation. I don't believe they would go this route (desperate and stupid) if they are ahead.

Then again...

Bayonets, Big Bird, and Birth Controll Pills. Now there is a platform to be proud of!

Really? So we pay the Red Cross Thousands of dollars and Romney could just donate everything to a Church, Soup Kitchen, Homeless. Sick of Govt in everything we touch or try to do good.

Seems to confirm Romney is lying.

Every jeep made in China is a jeep not made in the USA. Making jeeps in China does not help our trade deficit problem. Since labor is at least only a tenth of the cost it is here, I assume that the it will be much more cost effective for Fiat to make jeeps in China rather than in the USA. It may not be in their published plans but I can see Fiat closing down domestic production in favor of importing the cars from China for the US market.

Make all of it's models, yes. Not shift production of every single vehicle as Romney said.

"Mitt Romney campaigned in Defiance, Ohio, last night, and rolled out a new argument. "I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China," he said."

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121026/POLITICS01/210260402#ixzz2AgnGJ6oW

Every car company that wishes to sell vehicles in China must build them in China in a joint venture with a Chinese automaker. There is no plan or idea for the company to build Jeeps in China that would be exported back to the U.S. Chrysler maintains a huge manufacturing plant in Toledo, Ohio to build Jeeps, and Fiat has been investing in that facility and growing the employment there."

http://autos.aol.com/article/mitt-romney-auto-bailout-ad/

How much would it have cost not to have the bailout? Millions of jobs lost, billions in revenue. Seems a cheap price for the return on investment/

woodbutcher - the only ones who got anything different out of the govt bailout was the UAW union, Hope they got worthless stock too.

Well Biden would know, he and Obama have spent 4 years in that position.

It's more profitable to make the cars in the market where they will be sold instead of shipping them half way around the world. Most foreign car makers actually make their cars here in the US for sale in the US market.

Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Kia, Hyundai, Subaru, Mazda, Mitsubishi, BMW, Mercedes and Volkswagen all have plants here and manufacture cars in the US for sale in the US market.

This has been going on for the better part of 30 years. Where have you been?

Re-elect the incomplete. Re-elect the man who cuts down our liberties. Vote For Government!!

I want people to be dependent on the government.

Wheres my Obama dollars?

He's gonna pay my mortgage!! And my cell phone bill!!

Re-Elect, thank you for reading my post and commenting. China is making everything because their labor compared to others is still dirt cheap. For example I have a Canon camera. Japanese products once were very cheap but Japanese labor is now much more expensive. I am not sure about the camera itself, but the battery charger that came with the camera was made in China. I am sure that it was not that the Japanese and the Chinese love each other that much, it is a matter of the cost to manufacture. When I went car shopping some years ago I wanted to get a domestic brand but the models that I was most interested in were all assembled in Mexico. Even the Jetta that my daughter drove, a fine example of German engineering and craftsmanship, was actually made in Mexico. It is our huge trade deficit that has doomed the federal government's attempt to turn the economy around by injecting more money. The money all leaks out and we are left with the debt.

@Will

You didn't mention a sing US made product.

Profits from buying your Canon go to Japan and profits from buying your Volkswagen go to Germany.

GM will make higher profits from building Jeeps in China for sale in China than building them here and shipping them.

Re-Elect, I am sure that China does not make products for Japan for free and Mexico does not make products for Germany for free either. For that matter, retail stores here in the US make a profit on all the products they sell no matter where there are made or what countries they have passed through. GM does not make profit from the sale of Jeeps no matter where they are made or sold. Jeeps are not GM products.

Meant to say Fiat/Chrysler/Jeep - my bad.

After Benghazi how can Obama/Biden call Romney/Ryan a liar.

Willard's original lie:

"Mitt Romney campaigned in Defiance, Ohio, last night, and rolled out a new argument. "I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China," he said."

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121026/POLITICS01/210260402#ixzz2AgnGJ6oW

Jeep never said they were moving ALL production to China.

Oh - like in the Rose Garden at the Whitehouse - Obama's choice of words? It's the same no matter how you spin it, but Romney doesn't have deaths on his hands like Obama's lies.

Poor right wing sheeple. Blindly following a Romney - a lying liar who lies - and trying to say that Obama is the one who is lying. That is called projection coupled with gullibility sprinkled with a generous coating of racism and stupidity. Romney's kind of folks!

"The important context left out is that Italian automaker Fiat was the only company that stepped up to make an offer for Chrysler, which badly needed another car company with which to partner. Fiat's intervention has kept the company in one piece, saved Chrysler from dissolution, increased the quality ratings of the company's products, raised its market share and profit, and resulted in a huge recovery of jobs in Michigan and Ohio."

http://autos.aol.com/article/mitt-romney-auto-bailout-ad/

Just feels like that Chrysler Bailout isn't going so well. 17 Billion.

Romney's plan would have saved non-union workers at suppliers pensions also.

Actually it was $7.6B and Chrysler paid back all of it to the U.S. and Canadian government.

In worthless stock so far. And the stock isn't worth as much as when the US Govt bought it.

The loans have been paid in full and the company is stable. That was the whole point. Nobody expected the stock to fully recover overnight.

They still owe us our money back. This is why Obama should not try this job again - mathmatics, we are broke and then some. He can't just throw dollars at prblems that he borrows, we are in the Red more than Bush left us. I guess his biggest lies were 4 years ago "Hope & Change" is gone. He lied at the UN and had no problem in doing so.

The don't owe any money and the US doesn't own any stock in Chrysler. They repaid their loans in full and the US government sold the stock to Fiat. The Treasury Department has reached a deal to sell its remaining 6% stake in Chrysler to Fiat for $500 million, making the Italian automaker Chrysler’s majority shareholder with a 52% stake, the Detroit Free Press reports. Fiat will then pay another $75 million for the government’s right to buy the United Auto Workers’ remaining stake in the company.

GM making Buicks in China is a good thing. It's more profitable to manufacture in the markets where the cars are going to be sold instead of making them here and shipping them. All those profits will be coming back to the US.

Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Kia, Hyundai, Subaru, Mazda, Mitsubishi, BMW, Mercedes and Volkswagen all have plants here and manufacture cars in the US for sale in the US market.

This has been going on for the better part of 30 years. Where have you been?

Whether it's good, bad, or indifferent, it means Romney's ad is not "flagrantly dishonest".

Willard's original lie:

"Mitt Romney campaigned in Defiance, Ohio, last night, and rolled out a new argument. "I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China," he said."

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121026/POLITICS01/210260402#ixzz2AgnGJ6oW

The current ad is intentionally misleading and implies what Romney lied about.

What about the death of a Border agent under F&F that Obama had to use his Executive Privelege to hide documents, or what about the Benghazi fiaso he refuses to talk about because He Lied and 4 more people died.

Obama is the biggest liar of them all - lied to the UN