Well now, "far from certain" might be a bit over the top.

Well here's a Halloween trick for you:

Seems ADP says they were way off in their job #'s by like 50%!

They said 160,000 and it was actually 80,000.

Hmmm, I just am shocked at these results.

No wonder the experts are always surprised at the "Unexpected" Reports.

What a joke.

A short while after an earlier rally -- where the vice president boasted of "being a good Biden" today -- Biden slipped into a characteristic moment, to the delight of DC's chattering class: "And after it's all over when your insurance rates go down, then you'll vote for me in 2016."

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Can you say "senile dementia"?? Sure you can.

Joe Biden. Terrific vice president who has worked his tail off this campaign season. He so loves the country he grew up in and can't stand the thought of the GOP back in the WHouse. It's how most of us feel.

What the hell are you smokin? I voted for Obama in 08 but cringe at the possibilities of Biden becoming president. He is a complete buffoon! His speaking abilities and political filter (or lack of) are only slighly better that G W Bush and that "ain't" sayin much!

Bidenisms - You just can't make this @!$%# up!

"Folks, I can tell you I've known eight presidents, three of them intimately." --Joe Biden, Aug. 22, 2012

“Look at what they [Republicans] value, and look at their budget. And look what they're proposing. [Romney] said in the first 100 days, he's going to let the big banks write their own rules -- unchain Wall Street. They're going to put y'all back in chains." --Joe Biden, speaking to a largely African-American audience in Danville, Va., Aug. 14, 2012

"My mother believed and my father believed that if I wanted to be president of the United States, I could be, I could be Vice President!" --Joe Biden, campaigning in Youngstown, Ohio, May 16, 2012

"I promise you, the president has a big stick. I promise you." --Joe Biden, citing Theodore Roosevelt's famous quote, "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far." (April 26, 2012)

"This is a big @!$%#ing deal!" --Joe Biden, caught on an open mic congratulating President Barack Obama during the health care signing ceremony, Washington, D.C., March 23, 2010

"His mom lived in Long Island for ten years or so. God rest her soul. And- although, she's- wait- your mom's still- your mom's still alive. Your dad passed. God bless her soul." --Joe Biden, on the mother of Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen, who is very much alive, Washington, D.C., March 17, 2010

"I wouldn't go anywhere in confined places now. … When one person sneezes it goes all the way through the aircraft. That's me. I would not be, at this point, if they had another way of transportation, suggesting they ride the subway." --Joe Biden, providing handy tips to protect against the swine flu and freaking us out, "Today Show" interview, April 30, 2009

"An hour late, oh give me a f**king break." –Joe Biden, caught on a live mic speaking to a former Senate colleague after arriving on Amtrak at Union Station in Washington, D.C., March 13, 2009 (Watch video clip)

"You know, I'm embarrassed. Do you know the Web site number? I should have it in front of me and I don't. I'm actually embarrassed." –Joe Biden, speaking to an aide standing out of view during an interview on CBS' "Early Show," in the midst of encouraging viewers to visit a government-run Web site that tracks stimulus spending, Feb. 25, 2009

"If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there's still a 30% chance we're going to get it wrong." --Joe Biden, speaking to members of the House Democratic caucus who were gathered in Williamsburg, Va., for their annual retreat, Feb. 6, 2009

"Am I doing this again? For the senior staff? My memory is not as good as Chief Justice Roberts'." --Joe Biden, mocking Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts' botched effort to swear in Barack Obama as Biden was set to swear in White House senior staff one day after the Inauguration snafu, Washington, D.C., Jan. 21, 2009

"Jill and I had the great honor of standing on that stage, looking across at one of the great justices, Justice Stewart." –Joe Biden, mistakenly referring to Justice John Paul Stevens, who swore him in as vice president, Washington, D.C., Jan. 20, 2009 (Watch video clip)

"Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number-one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S, jobs." --Joe Biden, Athens, Ohio, Oct. 15, 2008 (Source)

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened." –Joe Biden, apparently unaware that FDR wasn't president when the stock market crashed in 1929 and that only experimental TV sets were in use at that time, interview with Katie Couric, Sept. 22, 2008 (Watch video clip)

"Stand up, Chuck, let 'em see ya." –-Joe Biden, to Missouri state Sen. Chuck Graham, who is in a wheelchair, Columbia, Missouri, Sept. 12, 2008 (Watch video clip)

"Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me." --Joe Biden, speaking at a town hall meeting in Nashua, New Hampshire, Sept. 10, 2008 (Source)

"A man I'm proud to call my friend. A man who will be the next President of the United States — Barack America!" --Joe Biden, at his first campaign rally with Barack Obama after being announced as his running mate, Springfield, Ill., Aug. 23, 2008 (Watch video clip)

"A successful dump!" --Joe Biden, explaining his whereabouts (dropping deadwood at the dump) to the reporters outside his home, Wilmington, Del., Aug. 20, 2008

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." –Joe Biden, referring to Barack Obama at the beginning of the 2008 Democratic primary campaign, Jan. 31, 2007 (Source)

"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking." --Joe Biden, in a private remark to an Indian-American man caught on C-SPAN, June, 2006 (Watch video clip)

You say he's presidential???

If this were a GOP candidate you'd be calling him a racists bigot!

Actually Joe if rates goes down, we will thank Romney for ending obamacare and for making you retire !!!

One thing is for certain. On Nov 7th, a large number of folks will not be here anymore.

First, it would be astonishing if medical premiums didn't rise this year since they have been going up substantially year after year for the past couple of decades. So, Wyo's premiums would likely have risen this year even if ObamaCare hadn't been enacted.

But every time I read something like this from one of the RWNJs, I wonder whether there's any truth to it. My health care coverage has remained the same for the past several years, and yet this year the premium increased less than it has at any time over the past decade.

Still, the insurance companies keep squeezing, looking for loopholes in the law that will allow them to raise co-pays or cut back on treatments or doctor visits--or, whatever else they can come up with.

Hate to tell you this but Obamacare does not do a thing for the cost curve, all it does is puts us one step closer to single payer or national healthcare like the disaster Great Britian has... but morons keep thinking it's going to reduce costs when in fact it raises them... it's a DISASTER waiting to happen!!

Obamacare’s Hidden Switcheroo
The law plans to cut $200 billion from Medicare Advantage to fund Medicaid.

By John Fund

If Obamacare remains the law of the land, its planned cuts to Medicare Advantage will force many seniors to go back to traditional Medicare at greater expense. The Florida Association of Health Plans found that because Medicare Advantage plans have more benefits and lower co-payments than traditional Medicare does, patients in that state could see their overall Medicare costs rise significantly — from $2,214 to $3,714 a year, depending on the insurance market they are in.

All this casts doubt on President Obama’s infamous statement that under Obamacare, anyone who likes his current health-insurance coverage will be able to keep it. Tell that to the 13 million seniors who are about to see their Medicare Advantage benefits dismantled or transformed beyond recognition. No one expects HHS to comply with Issa’s subpoena in time for voters to know the whole truth. But the outlines of what we do know are bad enough, and critics of Obamacare should do all they can to point out the law’s hidden costs and uncounted victims, as states begin to implement Obamacare, piece by awful piece.

So much for looking out for Grandma...

Here's more...

Tax penalty to hit nearly 6 million uninsured people

By Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar

Associated Press Wednesday September 19, 2012

Congressional budget analysts are now estimating that nearly 6 million Americans - most of them in the middle class - will have to pay a tax penalty for not getting health insurance once President Barack Obama's health care law is fully in place.

That's 2 million more than a previous estimate found, or a 50 percent increase. The average penalty will be nearly $1,200.

Starting in 2014, the new health care law requires virtually every legal resident of the U.S. to carry health insurance, or face a tax penalty. The Supreme Court upheld Obama's law as constitutional after finding that the penalty fell within the power of Congress to impose taxes.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said today the penalty will raise $6.9 billion when fully in effect in 2016.

Another nugget...

Top Five Worst Obamacare Taxes Coming in 2013

The Obamacare Medical Device Tax – a $20 billion tax increase:

The Obamacare “Special Needs Kids Tax” – a $13 billion tax increase:

The Obamacare Surtax on Investment Income – a $123 billion tax increase:

The Obamacare “Haircut” for Medical Itemized Deductions – a $15.2 billion tax increase:

The Obamacare Medicare Payroll Tax Hike -- an $86.8 billion tax increase:

Ok, I think you get the picture... this law (Obamacare) is a disaster... these are facts not opinions!!

This is Obama signature legislation... A HUGE DISASTER... and don't even get me started on Dudd/Frawk because you can see for yourself the chilling effect it has over the finanical section along with housing, personal credit, etc.

It's time to turn the page on this failed presidency...

The middleclass and your children/grandchildren can't afford 4 more!!

all it does is puts us one step closer to single payer

It's obvious you've never lived in a country where there's a single payer system.

If we had such a system in this country, 80% of the electorate would never go back to the rip-off private insurance company system we've been dealing with over the past many years. The peace of mind associated with single payer--knowing that you're not going to lose your home or see your family break up due to over-the-top medical bills--is something that has to be experienced to be understood. And we can afford it. Cut the Defense budget in half, to begin with.

CantAffordNoMore says:

Two years in to Obamacare PROVISIONS and healthcare is more expensive than EVER!!!

You really should address your complaints to your very large money grubbing healthcare insurance carrier!

Dawg Pound--those Biden quotes are better than reading the Damn You Autocorrect website! Joking aside, you correct. If this were a GOP, he would be racist. Ridiculous.

But that's not what he said would happen. All I am saying is he had all these idea's for change in 2008 - and I fell for it and voted for him. But he increased the debt, ended the wars on Bush's timetable and not before, both Biden and Obama can not lead bi-partisan, and last but not least: The Benghazi cover-up, lye, fiasco, etc. I don't trust this administration anymore.

Insurance rates will and are going up. Under Obamacare they are going up at a much slower rate than before. Let the insurance companies go unregulated and allowed do do as they please and your insurance would be going up at a much faster and higher rate.

All you liberals are in denial about the one place Obamacare is in full swing...Massachusetts. Costs still skyrocketing, No reduction in ER visits, State government going broke trying to cover free care.

Typical liberal action, when something fails...expand it to increase the failure!

Please keep your self-loathing from bankrupting this country....

Can you imagine Ole Joe in talks with the middle east Mullahs?

Adler,

I don't consider my 29% insurance increase for 2013 a slow down consicering 2012 was 18%, 2011 was 18% and all previous increases between 11 to 14%.

Furthermore the ACA limit the annual out of pocket to be limited to 2500 or 5000. When that occurs just on that will jump peoples health insurance costs from 15% - DOUBLE what they pay without considering what the mandatory Mental Health Coverage and a few other new Mandatory coverages will add.

Somewhere liberals stopped living in the real world!

IF my insurance rates go down over the next 4 years I'm more likely to vote for the Geico gecko than Joe Biden. I'd never vote for a guy who'd walk up to a parent who'd just lost their child and says, "How long has your son had balls the size of cue balls!?"

BTW- Doesn't that quote make you wonder how Joe knew the former seal's story. Did he maybe watch it live in the situation room?? The incident took over 6 hours, so we are sure that they knew about it for a long time. I don't see any reason why they weren't watching it live.

Updated as of 3:50pm EST on Wednesday, October 31 (Happy Halloween!):

Real Clear Politics (RCP) is consistently cited by both FOXNEWS and NBCNEWS as a current source for reliable averaged polling data at every level of American politics.

RCP continues to consider the following eleven states, listed in descending order of electoral votes, as "toss-up": Florida (FL), Pennsylvania (PA), Ohio (OH), Michigan (MI), North Carolina (NC),Virginia (VA), Colorado (CO), Wisconsin (WI), Iowa IO), Nevada (NV) and New Hampshire (NH).

With only 129 hours left in the 2012 presidential campaign, Obama leads in seven of the toss-ups, Romney leads in three, and in CO the candidates remain in a tie.

In descending order of 'percentage of lead' in favor of Obama, followed in ascending order of 'percentage of lead' in favor of Romney, here are the published averaged numbers from RCP as of 3:50pm EST together with the most recent FiveThirtyEight election night probabilities of victory for either candidate:

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In PA, with 20 electoral votes, Obama's lead has fallen to 4.6%, down slightly from yesterday's 4.7%.

Nonetheless, FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 95.4% chance of winning PA, up from yesterday's 94.2%.

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In MI, with 16 electoral votes, Obama's lead has fallen to 3.0%, down from yesterday's 4.0%.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 97.9% chance of winning MI, down slightly from yesterday's 98.1%.

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In NV, with 6 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 2.4%.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama an 82.8% chance of winning NV, up significantly from yesterday's 79.7%.

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In OH, with 18 electoral votes, Obama's lead has risen to 2.4%, up from yesterday's 2.1%.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 77.6% chance of winning OH, up significantly from yesterday's 73.3%.

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In WI, with 10 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 2.3%.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama an 88.1% chance of winning WI, up significantly from yesterday's 85.7%.

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In NH, with 4 electoral votes, Obama's lead has fallen to 1.0%, down from yesterday's 2.0%.

However, FiveThirtyEight gives Obama a 75.4% chance of winning NH, up significantly from yesterday's 70.3%.

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In IO, with 6 electoral votes, Obama's lead has fallen to 1.0%, down from yesterday's 2.3%.

However, FiveThirtyEight gives Obama a 74.4% chance of winning IO, up from yesterday's 73.9%.

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In CO, with 9 electoral votes, the race remains tied.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 60.7% chance of winning CO, up significantly from yesterday's 55.4%.

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In VA, with 13 electoral votes, Romney's lead has risen to 0.5%, up from yesterday's tie.

However, FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 61.8% chance of winning VA, up significantly from yesterday's 57.8%.

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In FL, with 29 electoral votes, Romney's lead has fallen to 1.0%, down from yesterday's 1.3%.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Romney a 59.3% chance of winning FL, down significantly from yesterday's 64.7%.

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In NC, with 15 electoral votes, Romney's lead has risen to 3.3%, up from yesterday's 3.0%.

FiveThirtyEight gives Romney an 82.0% chance of winning NC, up from yesterday's 81.4%.

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All in all, while Romney's position in toss-up state polling has improved more than Obama's over the past 48 hours, his chances of winning in the majority of these states has declined. This is a function of Romney losing his race against the clock in PA, MI, NH, and IO in that the rate at which he is tugging at Obama's lead in these toss-ups is not fast enough to swing the state decidedly into his column by election day itself.

At the same time, in the state where Romney needs desperately to win, OH, Obama's lead has been widening over the past two days; conversely, in the state where Romney needs desperately to hold onto his lead, FL, that lead has been eroding over the same period.

So...

In order for Obama to win re-election, the least complex route appears to be through maintaining his current lead in the five toss-up states where his existing margins are widest, PA, MI, NV, OH, and WI. Doing so would bring his electoral vote total on Election Day to 271. In this scenario, Obama could still surpass 270 while failing to hold either IO or NH.

However, should Obama fail to hold OH, the loss could effectively be neutralized by any of the following combination of wins from states where FiveThirtyEight is currently predicting Obama victories:

Path #1: Obama loses OH but wins IO, NH, and CO resulting in 272 electoral votes.

Path #2: Obama loses OH but wins VA and NH resulting in 270 electoral votes.

Path #3: Obama loses OH but wins VA and IO resulting in 272 electoral votes.

Path #4: Obama loses OH but wins VA and CO resulting in 275 electoral votes.

With Romney's lead having diminished significantly in FL over the past two weeks and with Hurricane Sandy forcefully highlighting the stark contrast between Obama and Romney regarding the value and necessity if not the mere existence of FEMA in a state which has perhaps the greatest dependence on federal storm relief efforts in the country, a 5th path has suddenly appeared on the horizon which could provide for some interesting election night television:

Path #5: Obama loses OH, IO, NH, and WI while failing to capture VA and CO but comes from behind to steal FL resulting in 272 electoral votes.

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It should be noted regarding Paths #1 and #2 that there remains some question as to the accuracy of the RCP polling numbers in NH which still include in their average a recent 'outlier' finding from UNH which had Obama leading by a questionable 9.0%.

For Romney to unseat Obama, he not only would have to hold the three states in which he presently leads, FL, NC, and VA bringing his electoral vote total to 248, but also steal a victory in CO where his lead fell from 0.4% on Friday to that of dead heat and in OH where Obama's lead this morning rose to 2.4%. By so doing, Romney's electoral vote total would reach 275.

Should Romney take CO and VA but fail to take OH, he could overcome this shortfall by stealing WI and either IO or NH, resulting respectively in an electoral vote total of 273 or 271.

In either scenario, however, Romney must hold FL at all costs.

FiveThirtyEight, at present, estimates the chance of Election Day victory for each candidate as follows: Obama 77.4% - Romney 22.6%. FiveThirtyEight also projects that on Election Day the final electoral tally will be as follows: Obama 299 - Romney 239. Lastly, although it makes no difference in terms of the final result which can only be determined by the Electoral College, FiveThirtyEight currently predicts a national popular vote distribution on Election Day as follows: Obama 50.4% - Romney 48.5%.

With only 129 hours of campaigning left, this one is going to come down to the wire….and quite possibly, in a few of the closest toss-up states, to the October jobs report which because of Hurricane Sandy may be delayed from a scheduled Friday release to the following Monday, one day before the election.

Let's hope that Election Day is free of both voter fraud and voter intimidation and that eligible voters who have registered in good faith over the past six months are in fact able to vote on November 6; let's also hope that vote tabulation itself is performed honestly and accurately by both the election commissions and private corporations to whom this essential role is being entrusted.

In any case, it will be interesting to watch as election night unfolds.

• Joe: You going to ask another paraplegic to stand up and take a bow ?
• (Sept. 10,2008---Biden asks Mo. State Senator Chuck Graham exactly that)
• Next President----Nah, I don't think so.....what a buffoon

sirie - so you voted for President Obama!

trouble1954 - no see, I do the legal thing - unlike Republicans on this site - I vote once. You truly are stooping low today aren't you? Oh wait, why would today be any different for you?

Obama/Biden 2012

I think Hillary would have something to say about that.. :)

Hillary/Powell 2016

Jack in Portsmouth said,

"The peace of mind associated with single payer--knowing that you're not going to lose your home or see your family break up due to over-the-top medical bills--is something that has to be experienced to be understood. And we can afford it. Cut the Defense budget in half, to begin with."

My father in law was a subject of the British crown and I am well aware of the disaster that is national health care!! He is not here today because of it... mid-evil medicine at best and the wait time is what costed him his leg then his life and you have the nerve to talk to me about peace of mind... you have no f---ing idea of what you are talking about and it's your "know it all" attitude that has helped destroy this country!!

Now if you knew anything about national healthcare and it's effect on people you would keep your f---ing mouth shut because it's obvious you have no personal experience with national healthcare or it's destructive effect on the people under it!!

It's time to the page on this failed presidency...

The middle class and your children/grandchildren can't afford 4 more!!

"Failed presidency"? LMAO....

You right wing nuts are all alike. Obama has done a great job, not withstanding the obstructionist GOP party of NO.

Vote a Democratic ticket and let's keep moving America forward!

you have no f---ing idea of what you are talking about and it's your "know it all" attitude that has helped destroy this country!!

Now if you knew anything about national healthcare and it's effect on people you would keep your f---ing mouth shut because it's obvious you have no personal experience with national healthcare or it's destructive effect on the people under it!!

Unfortunately, it is you who has a very limited knowledge of what he's talking about. I have spent 7+ years living in three different countries with single payer systems.

I have also spent a lot of time traveling in foreign countries and have had to use their (national) health care systems.

And I will say it again: 80% of the people in this country would not change from a single payer system if they lived in such a system for more than a few years.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Joe Biden as President.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Good one.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Oh wait, he's serious?

Maxx=gop liar

Not all medical devices are taxable. Those sold retail (directly to the consumer), for example, are exempt. So are device manufacturers that bring in revenues under $5 million a year.

Republicans are twisting the facts on taxes in the Affordable Care Act, grossly overstating the impact on families or lower-income earners.

In what has become a Republican talking point, several GOP lawmakers have wrongly claimed that a Congressional Budget Office report said that 75 percent of the federal health care law’s taxes would be paid by those earning less than $120,000 a year. That’s not what the CBO said. It found that 76 percent of those who would pay the penalty for not having insurance in 2016 would earn under $120,000. The average annual penalty — which the Supreme Court labeled a tax — is $667 for those individuals. Most of the total tax revenue from the penalty would be paid by those earning more than $120,000 a year.

The "special needs kids tax" refers to a cap of $2,500 that the new law places on spending from FSAs. (See pages 74 to 77 of JCT’s technical explanation.) The argument made in the e-mail is that "many" families with special needs children now use FSAs to pay tuition at private schools catering to special needs children, schools that ATR says "can easily exceed $14,000 per year" in Washington, D.C. Perhaps so. IRS rules do allow use of FSA funds to pay for such expenses with pre-tax dollars. But the e-mail message offers no evidence of how many families might be taking advantage of this tax break currently. The claim is copied from the website of Americans for Tax Reform, but as ATR itself says: "For most people, the $2500 cap won’t be noticed." As ATR concedes, FSAs "tend to be used for things like small deductibles, co-payments, eyeglasses, over-the-counter medicines, and laser eye surgery." The amount deferred in the typical FSA is probably much less than $2500 today, ATR says. The JCT expects the change will bring in $13 billion over 10 years, but says nothing about how much of that is likely to come from the pockets of parents of special needs children.

{INVESTMENT INCOME}This is a new, 3.8 percentage point surtax on investment income earned in households making at least $250,000 ($200,000 single)...250K IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT MIDDLECLASS INCOME AND GIVEN THAT, HOW ABOUT SOME PATRIOTISM TO HELP THE COUNTRY THAT MAKES THEM MONEY?

I CAN DISPUTE EVERY SINGLE BIT OF BS YOU POSTED, BUT I GROW TIRED OF SHOWING ALL WHAT A SHEEPLE YOU ARE

Ray in Jax

YES, a FAILED presidency. How's our debt doing? How's unemployment doing? How are our Ambassadors doing? Is Iran any closer to a nuclear weapon? Have we all been brought together in bipartisan fashion? How's that transparency thing working out? This failed administration has to go. This country can't take another 4 years. At least Obama can go home with a better golf score as much practice as he has had. He really should go bowling more often though. He'll have plenty of time for that in Chicago next year.

Even Obama's Hollywood buddies are opening their eyes to his lies ! Jay Leno,David Letterman,probley the only thing they agree on,is that O is a LIER LIER Pants on fire !

Please Joe, run in 2016. Romney's campaign will face stomp yours back into Oblivion. We all know what happened last time you tried to run for president.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history_lesson/2008/08/the_write_stuff.html?fb_ref=sm_fb_plugin_activity

Biden, who barely got 1% in the Primary last time he ran? Biden, the man who keeps Obama safe (NOBODY would dare consider killing the current president, because Biden would become president, which would be a national calamity)! The only reason Obama selected Biden is because the Secret Service can be more relaxed, and chase hookers instead of facing danger in guarding the president.

Ster2- Actually both Leno and Letterman love Obama and can't stand Romney - as do many in Hollywood. But what is more important is that President Obama is the honest candidate running, who actually wants to help ALL the people of this country - not just a few!

Obama/Biden 2012

Seeking sanity... it's good to see that you have learned the truth in life is yours, lust ask a stand up comic?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

//SarcOff//

Keep seeking.

In 2010, the average annual health care premiums for family coverage was $13,770. Now that has jumped to $15,745. That is a 14% increase in two years! When are people going to wake up and see that what comes out of the mouths of Obama/Biden just are not true?

Can'taffordnomore,

When was there a time when health insurance premiums were not more expensive than ever before? I am 52 years old, and I can't ever remember health insurance premiums going down, despite the promises of conservatives who told us that privatizing hospitals and the medical field would do just that. Despite decades of promises that competition in the market place would drive down costs, and the free market would reign in the soaring costs of health care. Premiums have always gone up! How come you conservatives can't remember anything before January of 2009? It must be that Romnesia thing I've been hearing about. Good news, though, I hear it will be covered by Obamacare even if it is a pre-existing condition!

That is a 14% increase in two years!

Provide your source, Bill. Otherwise you're just blowing smoke.

I said it above, and I'll say it again. My insurance did not increase by 14% over the past 2 years--and, in fact, the increase this year was negligible, the lowest in decades. Others I know have said the same thing.

And Dave above is absolutely correct:

When was there a time when health insurance premiums were not more expensive than ever before? I am 52 years old, and I can't ever remember health insurance premiums going down, despite the promises of conservatives who told us that privatizing hospitals and the medical field would do just that.

Joe the Cracker President?? Not in a million years. He's got to be one of the stupidest son's of bitches ever to hold public office, and to think he's VPOTUS! Get the man in a nursing home before he says something dumb. Ooops, too late for that by about 4 years.

Dan,

IF lowing the cost of healthcare is the point then, there should be not taxes on anything used in medicine!

Actually both Leno and Letterman love Obama and can't stand Romney

Like an opinion of a couple of standup comics should be consulted for their opinion!

The writing in on the wall for you, Mrs. Clinton. Not only has Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden thrown you under the bus, looks like the Progressive Party is going to do the same thing as well.

Jumping Joe for a 2016 run ? America is becoming the laughing stock of the World.

Did your son always have balls the size of cue balls?

— Vice President Joe Biden to Charles Woods, grieving father of slain Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods, during a memorial service at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland.

There's the true character of your $hit head vice prez Joe Biden. Had I been in Charles Woods shoes, Joe would need some dental work after a remark like that. UN FREAKING BELIEVABLE!!!!

I like Joe Biden but I like Hilary Clinton more for 2016.

• @MSNBCMFE: Keep up the countdown clock...we are all laughing at your statistics here in our office, both Democrats/Republicans alike are shaking our head at how far off they are from the rest of the world....

Pat Boston MA: "it's how most of us feel"....speak for yourself Pat. I'm not one of your "most of us".

MSNBCMFE - You might want to check your facts as to who the Fox Network cites the most in the polls. They continue to use the polling data from the most accuarate pollster of the 2008 campaign, Rasmussen. But you probably wouldn't want to look at those numbers as it will cause you to have to clean your drawers after you get up off the floor out of your fetal position.

Chris Christie will be the 2016 president, barring a heart attack.

Joe, 73 is too old to start a presidential first term. Write a book, help a younger candidate, relax.

No, there will not be a President crispy cream in 2016.

Well, it worked....Count me in as scared.

Joe couldn't have been more true....but truth hurts...Mitt Rommel?

If joe was running then I would have voted for even Mittens..... If Mittens get elected the people of America will deserve the SCREWING they are going to get..... As far as high cost of Insurance, get back to the Non-Profits providing coverage instead of these Greedy For Profit organizations.....

its true

Hey LooLoo.ser they have no " woman parts" They R Obamnist robots

he must have heard that insurance rates will go down in his dreams, definately didnt hear that from any reliable source.

my boss's wife is the GM of a fabrication shop, one of the things she handles is employee health insurance- where to get it, what kind of benefits it includes, etc. he told me last night that their healthcare insurance cost has gone up 24% since 2010. the owner is about to drop coverage completely because they cant afford it anymore.

My daughter, 23, just got a letter from Blue Cross showing new coverage mandated by Obamacare. Just a 12% increase in her premium! Thanks Joe and Barry.

I just got a fruit basket..

Thanks Harry and David...

Anecdotal evidence tends to be balanced on both sides of the argument...

A little trutharola is always nice.

Under Obamacare/ACA, all young people under 26 years of age, are covered under their parents' plans.

Several million more of our young people are covered in this way, thanks to President Obama.

Romney would have you go to Emergency Care, followed by a giant medical debt of Damacles hanging over you.

Backhouse

The parents would have to have a policy for their kids to be covered. Don't you think?

Under the Affordable Care Act: In 2014, thirty million people who have never had healthcare coverage before, will have their choice of exchanges.

And btw, they can keep their doctor & their favorite coffee mug, just fine.

hey backhouse? not true.....my insurance company got a waiver from obamacare and dropped my 24 year old daughter....obamacare is total bullshiat from a fraud president...

No you can't keep your Dr. - if he doesn't accept Medicare, medicaid, or is a preferred provider. Look in the Hospital on the ER walls, look at the papers you sign when admitted. They will give you the courtesy of filing your insurance, but you are responsible for any remaining bills.

All obamacare/romneycare do is put a gun to the head of the lower middle class (like myself), and force you to buy a product you can't afford. When the mentally ill liberals finally come to realize this it will be quite a sight.

ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.

Go to:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/healthcare-overview#healthcare-menu

But you will pay the difference of what they accept from insurance and what they charge. IT just has to be posted in sight of the patient and you sign the payment form that YOU are responsible for the remainder of the bill not covered by Insurance. Sorry but a lot of facilities are getting ready for this change. You can go to the Dr of your choice but you will pay more out of pocket becasue he won't agree to a cut.

Obamacare is the largest tax increase on the lower and middle class in history. I work for a med-device company. The 2.3% tax on all medical devices starting in January will hit people right in the pocket book. Companies will pass it off to their customers.....hospitals, labs, docs, etc. Companies may even increase the cost of their devices a percent or two to offset the pain in the rear it is. Hospitals, docs, etc will then up it a little more to their customers.......Fiesty and Backdoor. It will curb innovation and make it very difficult on start-ups. St. Jude Medical in Minny has already laid off 300 people in anticipation of the tax. Jobs will be lost in the med-device industry. When you need surgery and you are wondering why you don't have some new-fangled product to solve your problem.......this will be one of the reasons why.

The cost of doing business has always been passed on to consumers, that is nothing new.

Republicans have always had the tendency to warn of us dire consequences of Democratic policies, and they have always been wrong.

Rather than politicking on fear, why not politic on what is good for Americans? The JEEP ad in Ohio is another new example of GOP fear tactics.

mcpaddywack

hey backhouse? not true.....my insurance company got a waiver from obamacare and dropped my 24 year old daughter....obamacare is total bullshiat from a fraud president...

LIAR

FIRST AND FOREMOST ALL WAIVERS ARE TEMPORARY

Q: Has the Obama administration allowed corporations to "opt out" of the new health care law?

A: No. The government has granted waivers, but these merely give companies a temporary delay before being required to improve the coverage of cheap, bare-bones plans they currently offer.

The companies that have been approved for the waivers must reapply for them next year. Waivers are available until 2014.

BUT THEY HAVE ALREADY STOPPED BEING GRANTED

NOT TO MENTION, IT WASNT INSURANCE COMPANIES GETTING WAIVERS, BUT THE PEOPLE OR COMPANIES ACTUALLY BUYING FROM INSURANCE COMPANIES

AGAIN, YOU ARE A LIAR

MINNYMART ANOTHER IN THE LONG LINE OF LIARS

Not all medical devices are taxable. Those sold retail (directly to the consumer), for example, are exempt. So are device manufacturers that bring in revenues under $5 million a year.

FULL QUESTION

Will “Obamacare” be the largest tax hike in US history?

FULL ANSWER

Several readers have asked us about this since Rush Limbaugh made a hugely exaggerated claim that the new health care law is “the biggest tax increase in the history of the world.”

We’re not sure Limbaugh meant his statement to be taken seriously; He offered no figures or citations to back up what he said. But other critics of the law have made similar claims.

The increase is certainly large. So let’s take a look at how the taxes and fees that finance “Obamacare” stack up against earlier increases.

A Big Increase

There’s no question that the package of taxes and other revenue-raisers that the law contains constitute a large increase. The most recent estimate from the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation puts the total for more than a dozen different tax increases and other “revenue-related provisions” at $675 billion between now and 2022.

And that’s not counting the effect of penalty payments by individuals who refuse to take out health insurance (estimated by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office to be $54 billion over the same period. The JCT tax estimate also doesn’t count penalties paid by large employers (those with 50 employees or more). CBO estimates they will pay $113 billion during the period, rather than provide insurance coverage for their workers.

Largest in History?

But is this increase the largest in American history? Perhaps — as measured by the rather useless yardstick of raw dollars, with no adjustment for inflation. We rely here on recently updated tables from U.S. Treasury Department tax analyst Jerry Tempalski, whose 2006 paper on “Revenue Effects of Major Tax Bills” is the standard reference for making such comparisons.

Tempalski (a career employee who has worked in both Republican and Democratic administrations) uses unpublished Treasury Department estimates, which are by no means low-ball figures. Treasury’s figures for the health care law are actually higher than those of either JCT or CBO for the key year 2014, when major provisions of the law take effect.

We’ve used Tempalski’s figure for that year — the highest one he cites — and compared it to the highest 1-year figure given for each of the tax increases since 1968. (No earlier tax increase comes close in terms of unadjusted dollars.)

By this measure, the Affordable Care Act’s $76.8 billion in revenue increases tops the $65.9 billion for the highest single year for Bill Clinton’s 1993 deficit reduction bill, which Republicans have for years attacked as the biggest in history. But as we’ve said before, that attack is misleading, and the raw-dollar measure is a poor way to measure the size of a tax increase.

For one thing, that measure doesn’t take account of inflation. Using “constant” dollars — all adjusted to equal the value of a dollar in 2009 — the ACA drops to fourth place, and the tax increase signed in 1982 by President Reagan becomes the largest since 1968

MINNYMART, EITHER A LIAR OR JUST AN IGNORANT SHEEPLE, YOU DECIDE

I VOTE LIAR

Nope. No coverage here. I can't afford insurance, the state is not required to provide insurance, so my son is not covered under my policy, and because he is 20, and no longer a child, is not covered under the state child insurance. so, nope. Obamacare does nothing for me, except make me pay tax on something I can't afford.

Well,Republicans said Obama had no experience (he doesn't)never did,they said hey,how bout we check out this guys background cuz he has shady people supporting him and associates with the underbelly of the human race(and he does) they said he will put us in a dire straights economically (he has) said that O care would raise rates and put older people behind the young for care cuz they have lived long enough(just take the pills Gma) ect and so on and so on it goes,the republicans were right, and let's hope we get that scoundrel and his wife and crones off the US Gravy train,stop the world vacations for Meeesnel and her white people hating friends and get Romney in there ! !

SF.......go ahead and get caught up in the minutiae. You are correct.....not all medical devices. Not those sold retail such as contacts, glasses and hearing aids. When is the last time you walked into 7-11 to by a pacemaker, stent or catheter?!?! Companies under 5 Mil? Not many! Those of us in the med-device industry are already seeing the effects of this bill and most of it hasn't even kicked in yet!

Dan, if it was affordable, there would be no need for waivers!

LooLoo.ser

Dan was copying and pasting out of a Liberal spew doc. Look at the list of the companies that got the waivers. lmao....At&t geesus really.

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So Factcheck.org is a "liberal spew dock"?....LOL

WAIVERS ARE TEMPORARY

Do you not understand the word TEMPORARY??
impermanent, passing. Temporary, transient, transitory agree in referring to that which is not lasting or permanent. Temporary implies an arrangement established with no thought of continuance but with the idea of being changed soon

WAIVERS ARE TEMPORARY

DB Akron

Dan, if it was affordable, there would be no need for waivers!

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THERE are a multitude of reasons why waivers are needed and were given

affordability is one, THATS WHY WAIVERS WERE GIVEN so that companies can sort out whats BEST for them in choosing what to buy/get.....

Dan,

First of all the 49ers suck. That being said, are you really saying that the waivers are "temporary"? Kind of like the Bush tax cuts that Obama extended? Give me a break.

My insurance costs have gone up 50% since Obamacare was implemented. What a joke. I get a kick out of this administration as all of the results and benefits they are predicting are sometime in the very distant future.

Hey, Grandpa Joe, why don't you reduce my rates NOW? Hey Crazy Grandpa, Joe, how about you start reducing the deficit NOW? These guys are clowns. In the real world the crap they put out is called "slide ware".

Thankfully we only have a few more days of this garbage leadership team (though it is good to know Joe thinks Obama is "clean". What a bumbling fool.....worse than Palin which is hard to fathom).

.....and we have not even touch the tip of the iceberg in regard to BenghaziGATE. Shameful to leave those people out to dry

Truth Conveyer Dan is out in left field on the ACA as well as the Niners.

Dan,

Truth, if it was a good equitable system, there would be no need for waivers. Waivers already is an admission that the government has no idea what things costs and who can really afford what.

DB, I will agree that the ACA wasnt the best deal we could have gotten..But IF you are an HONEST person, ask yourself WHY the ACA wasnt the best we could get...

ONE HINT, obstruction

Truth Conveyer

Dan,

First of all the 49ers suck. That being said, are you really saying that the waivers are "temporary"? Kind of like the Bush tax cuts that Obama extended? Give me a break.

My insurance costs have gone up 50% since Obamacare was implemented.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA, Niners suck huh???

6-2, #1 ranked defense, 7th in points allowed, 2nd in run yards on offense..

Yeah that sounds like they suck..

you=idiot

THEN you say your insurance went up 50% since Obamacare was "implemented"???

I SAY YOU ARE LYING

Dan-2287140 I SAY YOU ARE LYING

Of course he is lying. All he does is spout FOX FACTS. Ive started to call him "Scarecrow" because he is just like GW Bush, he tries to scare us with his BS intelligence, if he only had a brain!

Scarecrow remember; the war in Viet Nam started with DDE 1954 not JFK in 1961. Just incase you forgot again.

I realy don't like the 49ers either but they are doing pretty good so far.

Joe and Sam,

I wish I could say was lying about my insurance rates. On the obstruction side, maybe it is more along the lines of the "we do not agree with your approach, Mr. President" side.

Sorry guys, we do not live in a one rule state where the President rules his minions by decree. As he said, that is what elections are for and the 2010 election spoke loud and clear. It was defintiely a result of Obama jamming through the Obamacare entitlement. Maybe he should have worked across the aisle a bit more like President Romney will.

On top of it, we now see the employment rate going back up! How anybody could vote for Obama again is beyond me. By all measures he has been a complete failure.

And joethelib, I thought I informed you that Bush was not running again. Just in case YOU forgot. Biden, one heart beat away from the presidency. Terrifying! At least Biden supports our "clean" POTUS.

You guys need to pull your heads...lololol

Scarecrow

I don't think Entitlement means what you think it means. Since all of us will be responsible for our OWN INSURANCE POLICY with a NON GOVERNMENT RUN health care INSURANCE its not an Entitlement. By the way isn't that what republicans have always wanted?

And joethelib, I thought I informed you that Bush was not running again. Just in case YOU forgot. Biden, one heart beat away from the presidency. Terrifying! At least Biden supports our "clean" POTUS.

You need more than your word to convince me of this. Why is Condie Rice, Dick Cheney and rest of Bush's team advising Mitt Bush III. I'm really worried about Scarecrow, ill bet you can see your back teeth from there.

Crazy Joe. Mr. Integrity.

there is no way that biden will be able to defeat President Romney....

Or when they turn 26 - which ever comes first.

Just a couple of thoughts. Went to a mandatory meeting yesterday regarding our health care plan. I guess I am one of the fortunate people. My monthly cost only went up 12% for the plan I chose. However, my deductible went up 250%. It's a good thing the wife and me don't have any kids on my health plan. If I still had 2 at home my deductible/per family member would be $1000 before the insurance kicks in. As it is my deductible is only $1000. Now I could pick the "Premium" plan and have lower co-pays and deductible but my monthly payment would increase by 125%. Since Obamacare has kicked in my medical insurance costs (monthly payment, co-pay, deductible) has increase by almost 300%. The President is right, I will be able to keep my current medical plan, I just won't be able to afford it.

There have been a few comments about Romney and FEMA. Take a look at who had boots on the ground first to help those impacted by Sandy. Red Cross, Samaritan's Purse, Charitable organizations all responded before the FEMA folks had finished their morning coffee. Plus these organizations operate at a fraction of the cost. Do we really need a huge government bureaucracy that costs taxpayers billions when there are non-profit organizations that are faster to respond and serve no political party? Think about it.

My daughter works for a large auto manufacturing plant. All employees there just learned that their medical insurance premiums will be increased by 50% - guess who those employees will be voting for!!

Captain

Until the ACA was passed, all college students could by health insurance through most colleges for about half what it costs to have them on your plan. When the ACA became law, the colleges dropped these plans because of the increase incosts.

After Benghazi who would vote for Hilary?

Because Benghazi was Obama's fault... and he threw Hillary under the bus in an attempt to save face.

That's in addition to the total lies he used against her in the hillary/obama debates. Not surprising in the slightest.

She stood there and allowed him to lie to US, the UN, and the World - we must look pathetic to the muslim world.

Amb. Stevens won't be voting this year. Does the administration care? Outrage!

Will Joe know where he is in 2016?

kenva - will you know where you are tomorrow? My guess is "NO."

Obama/Biden 2012

I think this is the funniest headline yet. Joe, if my premium goes down in the next few years, I will vote for ya twice, the Dem way! What a nut!

Biden is among the handful of Democrats included in early speculative lists of possible presidential candidates in 2016, at which point the former Delaware senator would be 73-years-old.

Please let Uncle Joe retire, hopefully in 2012. By 2016 JOBS would be a one letter word instead of three as he quoted not to long ago.

By the way my group policy insurance went up last year and is going up again for same coverage of 4.

get use to it.

NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMACARE

IT ISNT EVEN IN FULL EFFECT YET

But I guess you are too unintelligent and uninformed to know that

Dan you might want to take your head out of the dark spot and expand your brain a bit before you continue spouting your partisan junk.

My My Dan. Aren't you the sensitive one. All I know is that from 2003 to 2009 my medical insurance increase about 35%, that's monthly payment, co-pay and deductible. In the last 3 years, with my new plan that will take effect 1/1/2013, I am looking at a gross increase of slightly less than 300%. I may be unintelligent and uninformed but my paycheck doesn't know that. Seems like the insurance company's are hedging against possible loses in the future.

Obamacare severely penalizes companies with very good insurance plans. My company has had a very good insurance plan, but that is changing directly because of Obamacare. Lost my vote.

Well i got a rebate check (basically a few bucks) becuase of obamacare. so it obviously is in effect. But then my monthly premium has increased close to 20%. After the first year Obama took office, my performance raises at work were a small peanut to what they were. so now i don't even keep up with the cost of living, my insurance premium is a joke for my family and gas is too expensive so we don't go anywhere. Nope, won't be voting for obama. He can suck it.

....or.....Hillary - STAND DOWN, STAND DOWN, STAND DOWN.

Smartest move the Bamster made by picking Joe for VP.....Totally insures his safety during his reign!

OBAMACARE NOT IN FULL EFFECT UNTIL 2014, so its just a matter of the insurance company screwing us, no more, no less...

But the GOP is counting on you to be too ignorant to know the difference

Congrats, you are not letting them down

• @Dan: Obama is counting on you to keep the gay vote in line....how 'bout them niners ?
• ....Got Milk ?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA @ trouble1954

What team football I root for determines my sexual preference???

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Id be willing to bet before I was 21 I got more Puzzy than you have had to this day....

• Love ya bro....but I'm damn near 70.....more than I got,,,,??? nah, but thanx for playin'.....peace.

Dani we understand you are female and we get your sexual preference, just take your deviant behavior somewhere else.

Dan - Companies are changing their policies gradually in 2012 and 2013 so that they are not monetarily penalized beginning in 2014.

@jd- You are absolutely correct. My daughter works for a large automobile manufacturing company and during a meeting held last week, they were told that their medical insurance premium would be raised by 50% beginning January 2013. All employees there are absolutely livid. The insurance companies are starting the increases early. Bet you can't guess who all of those employees will be voting for!!

Dan,

The insurance companies aren't dumb, Obama care may not be in full effect but they can see it coming.

Imagine it is last friday, and you own a house on the northeastern coast with no insurance, so with Sandy coming, you call up an insurance company asking to get coverage. You won't find one to sell you coverage, because the risk is obviously too great. Sure, your house is still fine, it might be perfectly sunny out, but the storm is coming.

Same thing here.

The extra 7 states are his secret weapon. No ones polling there yet.

When are you stupid bast@rds going to quit lying about this?? Even Condoleza Rice said what you are saying is not true... Republicans are the party of liars...

No evidence only the bloviation of some radio hate monger.

Uhhh... Ninja Man - Obama Lied and People DIED!

Moron, quit protecting the lying Teflon man, pull your head out of his butt crack, he doesn't deserve to be President after this travesty on his watch. More than 45 days out from the attack, the Administration has been untruthful and uncooperative. Obviously Due to Obama and Minions not wanting to ruin his chance of being re-elected... This is going to be way bigger than Watergate when all is released, This Shameful President must be booted out of office!

Romney/Ryan 2012 people! The end of an error is near!

~(:>)

Uh Mag... I call BullSh1t... Even Condoleza Rice said there was nothing to this... If you're so pissed off about this how did you feel that Bush ignored warnings of the original 911 attacks that got 3000 American citizens and over 7000 solders killed...

O&JOE the only chance for an American Future

You can Blame Clinton for slashing our military and intelligence on that one pops... Same thing Oblamo wants to do now. Condi is just trying to be respectable and non-abrasive to the obvious lies given by the Admin. protecting Mr Teflon Man, nothing is ever his fault... Total BS, and the majority (not you, you're with the unthinking sheeple minority) of Americans know it. I call BS too Ninjadude, many Dems voted on this and now seem to have short term memory loss like you do. Obama has had the most troop casualties since he has become President, how does that make you feel??? Go spark another blunt up and stare up at the fading Obama posters in your room in moms basement. The adults will handle it, don't worry... I promise.

~(:>)

I can't wait till next Wednesday when the president has been re-elected and the minority RWNJ's heads start to explode...

O&JOE2012

Ninjadude - No heads will explode... But our Country will be in demise and more divided than ever by the Divider in Chief you seem to adore. On the other hand, Riots, looting, shootings and fires will happen if Obama loses (according to tweets I've read)... Must suck being tied to those Obama supporter's just by being a Democrat. They're just like spoiled little children throwing a temper tantrum... An awful lot like Obama too if you haven't noticed... Good Luck

~(:>)

Romney/Ryan 2012, Nobama no more!

On the other hand, Riots, looting, shootings and fires will happen if Obama loses (according to tweets I've read)...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

are you friggen kidding??

no i guess you arent

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ONE of the funniest, stupidest things I have read written by you sheeple

NOT THE FUNNIEST OR MOST STUPID, but close to it

• BENGHAZI, Ladies & Gentleman DID NOT HAVE TO HAPPEN......we sacrificed 4 Americans to save face with the Muslim World.....SAD

HAHHaaaaa, San Fran dan - Where do I begin... Get your head out your arse and search for the tweets and you will see that you are the one who is truly uninformed. I could easily provide links to thousands but am done informing the ignorant masses that don't have a clue and are brainwashed by Liberals from kindergarten thru College. The Secret Service is aware of these "Tweets" and articles have been written, but you know nothing.... Your dribbling comment is one of the stupidest, but not the most uninformed comment by a Liberal Hack I've seen. Get real man and THINK for yourself instead of NBC (Obamas Mouth Piece) telling you only half the story they want to tell you about. Read the overseas papers that are much better at reporting than NBC since you need to be schooled. Good Luck to you in that Liberal Tax to death, Sanctuary City, Hell Hole called San Francisco!

~(:>)

Magn1vox

HAHHaaaaa, San Fran dan - Where do I begin... Get your head out your arse and search for the tweets and you will see that you are the one who is truly uninformed.

Oh so tweets are where the real news comes from???

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah, you stay informed with those "tweets"

Dani you obviously haven't seen the latest political ad from Moveon.org. You need to get up to speed what credibility you have left is suffering.

Don't be so hard on yourself.

Re-elected as what...poop catcher in Salt lake city?? He won't be president of the U.S. He cannot be trusted..

O&JOE2012

O&J "transparency in Govt": Benghazi ring a bell? How about Fast & Furious? How about they have a budget idea that Democrats will even support? Trust O&Joe - they have proven to be liars in the last 4 years, not getting lyed to again.

But you are willing to vote for the 2 biggest liars EVER to run for president... Get real. Romney and Ryan will DESTROY this country if their lying azzes ever get to the White House...

O&JOE2012

Obama actually made everything worse than what Bush left him. I really don't know why Romney would want to clean up an even bigger mess by a President who has never really had a job.

@Wyo2: It's actually been proven by multiple fact checking sites that the Obama campaign has told far fewer lies than the Romney campaign. Rommey lies nearly 2 to 1 compared to Obama.

That said, Mr Bush left Obama with a 2009 budget that had a $1.5T deficit. Bush presided over 1/3 of that fiscal year, while increasing the spending level by 15%, and dropping revenue by 19%, NEARLY ONE-FIFTH. And for the record, that's the largest increase in spending of any president since 1975, with an 18% increase, and the largest decrease in revenue in American HISTORY. Now let's see... Who was president in 1975? Oh that's right, Republican Gerald Ford. Up until Obama was president, in the previous 30 years, Republicans were responsible for $6T in federal debt. Democrats were responsible for $0.19T, or 1/32nd. As of TODAY, in the last 34 years, Republicans have still been responsible for $6T in debt, and Democrats have been responsible for $3.8T. Yes, Obama has spent a lot of money, but he increased spending less than any president wince WW2. Republicans average increases of government spending of 7.4% in the last 38 years, and Democrats have raised spending on average by 5.4%. So, who is the biggest spender? Obama also lowered spending in 2010 by 1.8%, which is the largest decrease in federal spending since 1955. There is no Republican president since Eisenhower that has had a balanced budget or surplus. And even his surplus was minuscule.

But hey, I'll bite on your lure that claims that Obama has made things worse. Please explain how he has made things worse, in detail. I've provided a few of my own facts based on spending. So, let's see what you've got. How about it?

Lisa here are some facts for you, don't let your head explode.

DO YOU REMEMBER JANUARY 3, 2007?

I've been saying this for years, but this probably explains it
better and more clearly.

Remember that on October 9, 2007, 11 months before our "economic crisis" occurred (that was actually created), the Dow hit its highest point ever, closing at 14,164.53 and reaching 14,198.10 intra-day level 2 days later. Unemployment was steady at 4.7%. But things were already being put in place to create the havoc we've all been experiencing since then. And it all started, as this email explains, on January 3, 2007. --LFL

I'm sending this to each of you regardless of your party preferences
because I believe it is something you may not have considered.

This tells the story, why Bush was so "bad" at the end of his term.

Don't just skim over this, it's not very long, read it slowly and let
it sink in. If in doubt, check it out!!!

The day the Democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was
actually January 3rd 2007, which was the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, at the very start of the 110th Congress.

The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the
first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.

For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy
that everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this: January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress.

At the time:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB GROWTH

Remember the day...
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee. The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy? BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!

Unemployment... to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac FIASCOES!

Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy.

And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie? OBAMA and the Democrat Congress.

So when someone tries to blame Bush. REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007....THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!"

Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democrat Party.

Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 & 2011.

In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.

For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush
entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running
until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a
massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budgets.

And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009.

If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the
last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five
years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After
that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that
includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.

If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself. In a
nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted
for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since
January 20th.

Lisa won't get it, sounds like she's suffering from lib-olusion, having her head buried in the sand.

most democrats refuse to see the truth about their god!

You mean 57 different voting districts? 50 states plus Puerto Rico, Guam, U.S. Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Northern Mariana Islands, Midway Islands, Wake Island? It that what you mean? There are actually a few other small ones.

This idiot was joking, right?? Biden for dog catcher maybe.