"even the Governor of NJ agrees" Don't get your panties in a bunch, this is just what it feels like to take the high road. Try it sometime.

So Navy/Backhouse you want it both ways as usual.

Did Obama save Chrysler or did Fiat and the Italians save Chrysler?

You folks whine about no private money being available yet Fiat stepped up and financed Chrysler without any problems at all and it seems to be working out pretty well for them.

Amazing what can happen when Car Guys run a Car company as opposed to the Government.

Chris, Bev, a good Tuesday to you both.

Chrysler tried counteract Romney's ad "fantasies". (Chrysler-Jeep's term for Romney's lie/delusions.)

But their statements didn't stop the Romney-Ryan/Rove auto search & destroy mission. So one more bridge to the Auto Industry burned by Romney.

Romney's "Let the Auto Industry Go Bankrupt" approach to the industry, was NO fluke.

I think for intelligent voters, the election should come down to this: Who is the REAL MITT ROMNEY, and can you trust him?

Is it the Mitt Romney who publically says:

"My campaign is about the 100 percent of America. The president cares about the people of America. I care about the people of America. But he doesn't know what it takes to help the people of America, and I do….I want more incomes for everybody. I want to lift people out of poverty, And right now, the people who are poor in this country who need help getting out of poverty, the middle class, who need help because their incomes have gone down every year for the last four years,"

Or is it the Mitt Romney, who when he thinks no one is recording him, says candidly:

"All right, there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. But that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. 47 percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect... my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

Is it the Romney who opposed the auto bailout in a NY Times Op Ed:

“If General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye.....

..Detroit needs a turnaround, not a check....new labor agreements to align pay and benefits to match those of workers at competitors like BMW, Honda, Nissan and Toyota. ....retiree benefits must be reduced......the federal government should (only) provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk....

...In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable automakers, rather than seal their fate with a bailout check.”

This same Romney also criticized the auto bailout after the fact. In an editorial in the Detroit News, Romney accused Obama of "crony capitalism" in the bailout and said the companies would have been better off without Obama's intervention. "Instead of doing the right thing and standing up to union bosses, Obama rewarded them".

Or the Romney who supported the President’s actions at the latest debate:

"I know he keeps saying, 'You want to take Detroit bankrupt.' Well, the president took Detroit bankrupt. You took General Motors bankrupt. You took Chrysler bankrupt. So when you say that I wanted to take the auto industry bankrupt, you actually did. And I think it's important to know that that was a process that was necessary to get those companies back on their feet, so they could start hiring more people. That was precisely what I recommended and ultimately what happened."

Or the Romney who (again) seems to disagree with the President’s actions in his latest ad:

“Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy and sold Chrysler to Italians, who are going to build Jeeps in China." – claiming that Jeep was going to move all production to China at the expense of American jobs.

(of course, that statement is a BIG FAT LIE – Jeep confirmed that due to their strength in America they are expanding operations into China in order to sell more Jeeps into the Chinese market. Jeep flatly stated they have NO plans to move ANY American jobs to China, in fact they are expanding production in Toledo.)

I think any intelligent voter should take a hard look at Mitt Romney and try and decide if he is the person you trust enough to lead your country.

How can you be sure that the Romney you vote for will be the Romney who shows up?

3 AM Phone Call

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie Praises President Obama for Sandy Response

Christie told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that Obama called him on Monday night around midnight to ask if there was anything else the federal government could do to help. Christie added that they worked together to move forward with a Major Disaster Declaration for New Jersey.

“He worked on that last night with me…offered any other assets that we needed to help,” Christie said. “I want to thank the president personally for his personal attention to this.”

Appearing on Fox News, Christie said the storm is bigger than the election.

“I have a job in New Jersey that is much bigger than presidential politics,” Gov. Chris Christie said on the show

Christie told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that Obama called him on Monday night around midnight to ask if there was anything else the federal government could do to help. Christie added that they worked together to move forward with a Major Disaster Declaration for New Jersey.

The Major Disaster Declaration provides funding for recovery efforts, including infrastructure projects, temporary housing, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property loss and assistance to individuals and businesses.

“He worked on that last night with me…offered any other assets that we needed to help,” Christie said. “I want to thank the president personally for his personal attention to this.”

Appearing on Fox News, Christie said the storm is bigger than the election.

“I have a job in New Jersey that is much bigger than presidential politics,” Gov. Chris Christie said on the show Fox & Friends. “I couldn’t care less about that.”

Watch Gov. Christie’s appearance on GMA:

. “I couldn’t care less about that.”

Watch Gov. Christie’s appearance on GMA:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/christie-praises-obama-for-sandy-response/

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the show Fox & Friends. FIEN “I couldn’t care less about that.”

Watch Gov. Christie’s appearance on GMA:

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right back at ya backhouse!

mitt robme has no shame, no honor, no soul

he worships the almighty dollar only

Romney has brought lieing during a presidential campaign to new lows.

Joe in Albany

The president should have put economy before HC, I'll concede that but, otherwise his only sin has been expecting positive numbers to convince the public that he is doing the best that can be done. The republicans would have done amost the exact same things the potus has done if they wanted to get things rolling and they know it.

Anyone who votes republican now rewards them for wreckless, spoiled, rich brat behavior over the last 4 years because they SAID they were not going to work with the potus on anything and they SAID their most important task was not helping out this nation but rather was to make Obama a one term president. Sorry. No votes for that attitude.

I'm voting Obama.

So you actually believe Romney's LIES:

NOW EXPOSED MULTIPLE TIMES, BY CHRYSLER-JEEP.

edit:
The show Fox & Friends. FIENDS "Couldn't care less about Gov Christie's statement.

I bet GOV Christie won't be sitting on the curvy couch enjoying Krispie Kreme doughnuts and coffee any more. ☺

Sorry for the double post

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Ha Ha Hahahahhaahaa.

Some blowhard writes gives an opinion in an editorial in Murdoch's Wall Street Journal, and the rightwing nutjobs gobble it up like it is nectar from the tree of knowledge.

Don't let facts get in the way of your rightwing BS

http://www.businessinsider.com/size-of-the-federal-workforce-under-obama-2011-7

If Romney wins he can do virtually ANYTHING he wants to do because he has flipped so many times on so many issues that he can always point to *some* time when he said he would do it that way...whatever "that way" is... If he wins get ready to get kicked in the nuts, middle class.

Joe in Albany -

It seems that both you and the WSJ have been inflicted with the Republican aversion to math. From your post:

The brain trust behind President Obama's re-election campaign has a new idea, and what a revelation it is. A week from Election Day, Mr. Obama has disclosed to the voters that in a second term he'll create more private jobs by creating . . . one more government job.

Specifically, and all of a sudden, Mr. Obama wants a new Cabinet-level post that will be known as the Secretary of Business. "I've said I want to consolidate a whole bunch of government agencies," he said Monday, in a performance that captured his Presidency in miniature. "We should have one Secretary of Business, instead of nine different departments that are dealing with things like getting loans to SBA [the Small Business Administration] or helping companies with exports. There should be a one-stop shop."

Only in Republican fantasy-land would consolidating nine different departments into one, thereby streamlining many government responses to business needs, be "creating more government".

I continue to be amazed at how much Republicans struggle with basic things like Math, Facts, and Truth.

Do you need to repeat Kindergarten? A kindergartener could probably explain to you how 'One' is less than 'Nine'.

Sirie-

Oh, and Chrysler IS going to open a JEEP plant in China, btw...

Yes, that is the only way to sell more Jeeps in China.

I hear McDonald's is opening several new restaurants in China. Will that impact jobs here in the US?

Like I said, struggles with Facts......

Chris,

We know RomneyRyan would destroy the middle class given the chance. Imagine a crassly persistent dishonest Romney, working on U.S. foreign policy or the economy?

Imagine the insanity of Romne's gaffes, and his inability to decipher ordinary situations. The dramatically unexpected. What of real interviews?

Romney took us to first base on his Crookery Agenda, by not showing his tax returns. So much is concealed, and so much has been purchased by the $Big Money machine, enforced by Voter Suppression GOP-ers across the nation...

Who wants not one, but two Norquistians, at the beck and call of Adelson/Transnationals in the White House?

Looks like the "auto bailout" might just be Romney's Waterloo. Puts his foot in his mouth again. Lies again. And thinks we're so dumb we won't notice. What an idiot. As the Rev says, "WE GOT YAH". And wait till the LATINO vote kicks in. He thinks their to "DUMB" to vote. Boy is he in for a surprise. The liars going down.

OBAMA IN 2012.

Did Obama save Chrysler or did Fiat and the Italians save Chrysler?

You folks whine about no private money being available yet Fiat stepped up and financed Chrysler without any problems at all and it seems to be working out pretty well for them.

Question: Would FIAT have stepped up to by majority shares of Chrysler if the administration hadn't taken steps first to make it solvent again?

Here's an article on Global Warming and why it matters:

http://news.yahoo.com/why-matters-global-warming-132557002--finance.html

A NASA study this year found the most extreme type of weather, which statistically should happen on less than 0.3 percent of the Earth at any given time, is now more common. Until recently, the most extreme year was in 1941 when extremes covered 2.7 percent of the globe. From 2006 to 2011 about 10 percent of the globe had that extreme weather, with a peak of 20 percent, the study said. That was before this year's record extremes started.

Maybe the righties will listen to NASA........but I doubt it.

While Governor Chris Christy's bombast and bully talk annoys and angers me at times, one thing I have always liked about him shows in his comments today as well as last year. I also remember him lambasting the critics of his decision to appoint a Judge who was Muslim and gave Christy a big cheer for it.

I prefer President Obama who believes the federal government has a huge role in disasters rather than one like Romney who thinks federal aid is "immoral".

Good news- the storm did little damage in my little corner of New Jersey. We lost a couple of tree limbs, and the neighbors lost some big, old, trees- but, thankfully, none of the trees hit any of the houses. Our prayers go to those not so lucky.

Also, our donations. The Red Cross is doing yeoman's work assisting those devastated by the storm-please consider aiding them in their work.

PSA over.

I must admit that I was somewhat skeptical about the Minnesota poll that showed Romney and Obama essentially tied- then, this morning, I read that Bill Clinton is going there to campaign.

Incredible.

Attention:

Calls For Cutting FEMA Are Not Coming From Inside The White House

As Hurricane Sandy approaches the northeast United States, the left is attempting to politicize the storm, attacking Republican nominee Mitt Romney and his running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), for wanting to shift more responsibility for disaster relief from the federal government to the states.

They ignore the fact that President Barack Obama's proposal for the upcoming budget sequester would cut nearly $900 million from the Federal Emergency Management Agency, including disaster relief, food and shelter, and flood management at both the federal and state levels.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/29/Obama-s-Sequester-Slashes-Funds-for-FEMA-Flood-Management

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Uggghhh, Breibart.com what else what you expect from a bunch of slim ball?

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Under Obama, there IS a new GM plant in Mexico, even though the company still owes U.S. taxpayers billions of dollars...why hasn't Obama mentioned this?

Beside all this political nonsense....I hope the people in the NE are safe

Paul #'s -- If it was up to Romney and Republicans they would cut the budget drastically for FEMA. Or funneled monies to private industry.

I’m not sure about everyone else, but I know I send taxes to the government to PAY FOR GOVERNMENT, not to line the pockets of business.

We pay FOR the GOVERNMENT we want. Romney and Republicans, in general, would just steal your money by eliminating programs that are important to you. Think FEMA, EPA, Medicare, Social Security etc.

Republicans couldn’t care less about you.

NoJo …

As you were right and I was to a large degree wrong re cellphone polling you win this …

If you choose an answer to this question at random, what is the chance you will be correct?

A 25%

B 50%

C 60%

D 25%

Yes, i'm back. Took forever to figure out what I did with my password. Well, I digress. Bottom line is Obama turned things around because of his "NON-Failed" plans. I will be damned If Romney scootches in and takes credit now that things are finally headed in the right direction. Especially after that Chrysler Jeep out right lie. Romney/Ryan will say just about anything to get a vote. Flip flop, etcha sketch, Whatever you want to call him, but don't vote for him. WAKE UP AMERICA, no more bush era.

More from friend's findings on Mitt Romney, most has already been discussed or revealed, yet, it needs to be known. The full document is loo long to post at one time:

Gov. of Mass.

Mitt Romney BOUGHT the Governor’s seat of Mass. just like Rick Scott did in Fla.(60% of his campaign funds came from his own pocket)
Approx. 1 billion in new taxes.
Romney claims bi-partisanship as Gov. of Mass but:
To this day legislature still talk about how he tried to Govern like a CEO and dictate to the Legislature!
Used veto 600 times
250 vetos overturned by Legislature!!!
When he took office he announced to the legislature " I am going to show you how to really get money out of the Federal Gov't!!"

Balanced the budget. 2/3 of deficit was paid by federal Gov,t (A BAILOUT)
The other 1/3 he made such devastating cuts to Education Schools had to increase tuition by 63%
State population shrunk as people fled Mass. under his leadership( if you can call it that)
Obama leading in Mass. by about 15 points!! (They still remember Romney)
He went to the Olympics because of the Mormon church. Who owns most of Salt Lake City? Mormons! What group of businessmen stood to make a fortune from the Olympics? The Mormons!!!
After one term even his own party didn't want him for a second term!!! (Governor)
The people of Massachusetts love Republican governors. They elected 4 in a row, one after another for 17 years of Republican leadership.

After one term with Romney at the helm, the people of Massachusetts elected Deval Patrick, the first Democratic governor in 17 years.
Mitt Romney campaigned like the slick salesman he is, but once in office, the real Romney emerged. Romney raised every fee in Massachusetts, including certificates for the blind, TB tests, even tripling the cost of a gun license.

He was responsible for the 2nd largest per pupil education budget cut in history.

He gutted funding for social services, assistance for poor children in Massachusetts.

Romney left the state of Massachusetts with one of the lowest approval ratings in the nation, in the low 30's. #48 of 50 Governors!

The people of Massachusetts know him best. The people of Massachusetts overwhelmingly support President Obama.
Our analysis reveals a weak comparative economic performance of the state over the Romney years, one of the worst in the country.”-Andrew Sum and Joseph McLaughlin, Center for Labor Market Studies, Northeastern University, Boston Globe, 7.29.07
During Governor Romney’s term, Massachusetts fell from 36th to 47th out of 50 states in job creation, while the overall U.S. economy grew.
By the end of Governor Romney’s term, Massachusetts had lost more than 40,000 manufacturing jobs—a rate twice the national average.
Gov. Romney raised taxes on the middle class, but pushed through a tax cut that overwhelmingly benefited 278 of the wealthiest individuals in MA.
Under Mitt Romney, Massachusetts’ debt burden grew to the highest per person in the nation.
State spending increased every year while Romney was in office, and he left behind a $1 billion deficit for the next governor.
Governor Romney failed to protect good jobs in Massachusetts, and actually outsourced state jobs to India.
Mass. schools had a #1 rating long before Romney took office but he mentions this rating like he had something to do with it!!

His last year in office he wasn't even in the state for 200 of 365 days. Gone more than he was at work!!!

I never thought of what I do for a living as job creation. … The primary goal of private equity is to create wealth for your investors.
–Marc B. Wolpow, former managing partner at Bain Capital, the firm where Mitt Romney was CEO, who worked closely with Romney for nine years Los Angeles Times, 12/3/11

Jobs: 47th out of 50 states in job creation
Taxes and fees: Increased by $750 million per year
Long-term debt: Increased more than $2.6 billion

Has no Original Ideas of his own. Even the structure at Bain was set up by Mr. Bain and then left for Romney to run.
His entire campaign has been him trying to imitate others.
His entire platform was written by others and he just memorizes what his position should be.
HE is a copycat, fake , fraud, true "strawman" candidate.
He went 7 or 8 months in the primaries and never once mentioned the middle class. Then President Obama began his campaign and started talking about the middle class. A couple weeks later all of the sudden Romney says he is all about the middle class!! Funny you never mentioned them before??????
The President made a case that Romney couldn't relate to the average American. A couple weeks later all the sudden Romney is twisting a quote from the President trying to say Obama is out of touch and can't relate to the average American! There are many more examples. Romney can't think for himself he does what he is told, or copies someone else!!
And wasn't it Mitt who said I'm not concerned about the poor, they have the safety net programs to help them out!!!! How much does that sound like It's not my job to worry about the 47% who depend on some type of help from the Gov't!!!!
And those two statements were months apart. Coincidence? Not likely!
But that also leaves the big question of what is his position going to be the day after inauguration should he win????? There is no telling what position he may find most convenient when he no longer has to be concerned over peoples votes.
There is nothing sincere about Mitt Romney. He is a chameleon, a straw man candidate, or maybe just a puppet being told what position to take at this time by the puppet masters.

White Collar Auto asks:

"Did Obama save Chrysler or did Fiat and the Italians save Chrysler?"

Hey, you're the white collar auto guy, the one with the inside information. Why don't you tell us? Be sure to get it straight, because you also wrote,

"You folks whine about no private money being available yet Fiat stepped up and financed Chrysler without any problems at all and it seems to be working out pretty well for them."

Perhaps you'll be good enough to explain how Chrysler seemed to have government financing as a part of the managed bankruptcy. Fiat did NOT pony up all the cash.

Finally, to polish your zero-value credentials you wrote,

"Amazing what can happen when Car Guys run a Car company as opposed to the Government."

Yes, quite amazing. Chrysler is the outfit that has required TWO - count 'em TWO - bailouts thanks to the fabulous management skills of you and your white collar buddies. We stand in awe of you white collar Car Guys. What will you do for an encore?

Before Hurricane Sandy the experts said it would take a week to 10 days to get power restored and services back on line. You can be sure that Rommdumb will say it is taking too long and his friends at FOX will find some Bengazi connection to the whole thing. If the jobs report is too good it will be cited that it was rushed through and isn't correct. If it is bad it will of course be Obama's fault not just the companies like Bain sending even more jobs over seas!

First Read:

This goes back to what we were talking about yesterday: Romney definitely has momentum outside the main battleground states; that’s why the national polls are sitting where they are.

Romney does NOT have momentum. According to Nate Silver and several other statisticians who analyze aggregate poll results, Romney's momentum stalled more than two weeks ago. Of course, Nate Silver is He Who Must Not Be Named to Chuck Todd and the other beltway pundits.

For awhile now we conservatives have been arguing that there is something wrong with the liberal media and it's pollsters using the 2008 election turnout as a baseline to determine the voter distributions for their polling samples. For those who are not aware, in 2008 the Democrats managed to turn out in numbers 7-8% greater than Republicans, a feat they hadn't equalled for literally decades. This has led many pollsters to sample Democrats and Republicans using at least this same disparity.

There are many reasons that make it difficult to believe that Democrats can equal their 2008 performance which include:

Enthusiasm among young voters is down.

Enthusiasm among hispanic voters is down.

Single women are not supporting the Obama/Biden ticket in the same numbers they did in 2008.

Independent voters are not supporting the Obama/Biden ticket in the same numbers they did in 2008.

Republican enthusiasm is way up.

Yesterday I happened across an article on the Gallup Polling website entitled: U.S. Electorate Looks Like 2008. Although at first glance, this title might lead one to believe that the Gallup statistics would support the liberal polling methodology, consider the following found at the bottom of their table of statistics:

2004 2008 2012

% % %

Democrat 37 39 35

Independent 24 31 29

Republican 39 29 36

Democrat/Lean Democrat 48 54 46

Republican/Lean Republican 48 42 49

Note: 2004 and 2008 estimates are based on final Gallup Pre-election polls. 2012 estimate is based on Oct. 1-24 Gallup Daily election tracking.

Note that according to Gallup's statistics, when comparing respondents who identified themselves as Democrats to those identifying themselves as Republicans, Gallup has the distribution at + 1 Republicans; and when considering Independents, this number rises to +3.

Now before you dismiss this as anomalous, bear in mind that Gallup's polling has been within the margin of error on predicting the outcome of the past dozen or so Presidential elections. Also, the sample size that generated the 2012 numbers above was nearly 10,000 which is HUGE and increases the statistical integrity of the results which is why the margin of error for these numbers is only +/- 1.

I'll leave it to the reader to decide what this all means in light of the current polling data out there, but it certainly has changed what I believe.

Crystal-569996

We have the HIGHEST corporate tax in the WORLD!

Ask your pub's if they think we could lower corp taxes if there was no corporate welfare, genius.

;-)

@Clwyd #1.40

if the jobs report is too good.....

That was FUNNY!

David Walker

Yes, quite amazing. Chrysler is the outfit that has required TWO - count 'em TWO - bailouts thanks to the fabulous management skills of you and your white collar buddies. We stand in awe of you white collar Car Guys. What will you do for an encore?

Now that Obama has the auto industry back on its feet, the corporate "car guys" can knock it back down again. That's the likely encore.

@ Joe in Albany, post 1.2

I would like to read your findings for myself. Please link if possible?

OBAMA IN 2012.

Obama is doing great. Romney is doing OK as long as his Ohio fund drive doesn't become a campaign drive. Honestly though, I can't help but feel Mitt will use his fund drive to help victims as something political. We'll see what he says in his speeches.

Funny how Chris Dorr, ahoy sissy, wants to see Romney's taxes yet has no desire to see the smartest man's ever! credentials. So Im curious why not Obama's college records? You think a narcissist like Obama would have his degrees plastered all over the white house, his personal I love me wall. Perhaps he doesnt want his records shown because either his grades do suck or he got college aid as a 'foreign' exchange student. NO you say, the Demigod would never lie, cheat or steal. Only Romney does that right?

Then we have the LWNJ's like Feisty that believe the hurricane is a product of Global warming er climate change. Buy a VOLT SAVE A SEAL.

Independent Thought

It appears the ad might be true?

____________________________________________

The rumor...and all it is is a rumor....is that Jeep may move some production of Jeeps to Italy.

What Mitt Romney said in his speech, and what the ad insinuates, is that Jeep production is moving to China.

What Romney said, and the ad, are false.

If he had actually mentioned the real article that says Chrysler MAY move some production to ITALY, then he'd have been telling the truth, and maybe he'd have made a valid point.

But he and his campaign knowingly and willfully lied about China.

But then, China is more "foreign" than Italy, and more Americans are afraid of losing jobs to China, so it's better to mention China, to get people scared.

It's also, when you consider it, actually quite racist. No one is afraid of Italians, but the Chinese, on the other hand....

Joe HAHAHAHA

What was it Einstein said about insanity?? Oh yeah:

“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

It amuses me every time I see a wing nut misuse that Einstein quote. Unlike President Obama, Einstein really WAS a socialist. HAHAHAHAHAHA.

This storm disaster story brings out the true character of Romney, Ryan and republican party.

1. Romney said during the primaries he would end FEMA and that it should be privatized. Always thinking of a way to make a profit from anything. Adding a middle layer of profiteers that would raise costs higher to those in need, and slow any kind of recovery or process it would take to solve the problems created by the disasters.

2. Paul Ryan's budget plan slashes billions from the FEMA funding it uses to provide disaster relief for those in need. Clearly not in the interests of the country when he offsets those slashes to FEMA for lower taxes for the GREEDY 1% like Romney.

3. Republicans have been obstructing funding FEMA for years since Paul Ryan and republicans pledged against the nation,the very night President Obama took office, to vote against any bill that would make President Obama look good in the 2012 elections. Obstruct and vote against the nation they did. Like voting down funding for FEMA on 9-13-11, stopping disaster aid to tornado victims in Mo. Repubs blocked aid to disaster victims a number of times, including blocking the investigation on the BP oil spill in the south. Deliberately hurting AMERICANS suffering from storm disasters in their hour of need, just to take the president down at the next elections.

NOT ONE AMERICAN SHOULD VOTE FOR ANY REPUBLICAN WHEN THEY DON'T STAND UP FOR AMERICA. REPUBLICANS STAND UP FOR GREED AND LOVE OF $$$$$ OVER AMERICANS.

VOTE PRESIDENT OBAMA/BIDEN AND TEAM AMERICA, THEY PROVED THEY HELPED AMERICANS WHEN THEY NEEDED HELP, BY TURNING THE ECONOMY AROUND AGAINST THE WISHES OF REPUBLICANS!

Albany Joe, looks like you have a fan base, it would appear your HAHA's get a lot imitation, the sincerest form of flattery. Good job

The president is doing so well with this storm that even republicans are praising him. This storm will remind the people what kind of president we have. The president is being the president and not a candidate as he should be.

Meanwhile, Mitt can't just sit on his hands and broadcast ads lying about Jeep. He is using his campaign bus to move supplies into affected areas even though the Red Cross says his efforts only inhibit the aid they are so good as supplying. They would have to unload these supplies and repackage them before reloading them, rather than using prepackaged supplies that can get supplies where they are needed quickly. Also, Mitt will continue his campaign with rallies for "additional supplies" that the Red cross doesn't want. As usual, the Red Cross says if you want to help, send cash, not Romney's campaign bus. Do us a favor Mitt, and do what you said you would and stay out of it and stop campaigning! It makes you look un-presidential, if you needed more help with that.

WATCH ROMNEY TRY AND ACT LIKE A DEMOCRAT NOW THAT THE ELECTION IS ON THE LINE AND SAY HE IS FOR FEMA...AFTER HE SAID IN THE PRIMARIES HE WOULD KILL IT AND PRIVATIZE IT.

RYAN BUDGET CUTS THE HELL OUT OF FEMA FUNDS AND REPUBLICANS WON'T FUND FEMA JUST TO MAKE THE ECONOMY WORSE, JUST TO TRY AND BLAME IT ON OBAMA AT THE ELECTIONS!!! ROMNEY AND REPUBS FOR A WORSE TOMORROW TODAY!

Senate Republicans block FEMA disaster relief funds in 2011 to keep America from recovering.

Romney hired 17 of 24 of his advisers from the same failed regime of Bush Cheney. Remeber how they failed during Hurricane Katrina? Why would you vote for Bush Cheney failed team, why vote for republicans who try to hurt Americans by defunding FEMA that would help Americans recover from disasters? If Romney was sincere about disaster relief he would fire his team.

By Stephen C. Webster
Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:39 EDT

A package of disaster relief funding worth $7 billion was blocked from coming up for a vote by Senate Republicans on Monday, drawing sharp condemnation from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) who lambasted the conservative party for abandoning Americans in need.

“Last night, Democrats tried to move forward on a measure that would have granted the Federal Emergency Management Agency additional funding to help communities devastated by natural disasters,” Sen. Reid said in an advisory.

“This ought to be the least political issue going – whether to reach out a helping hand to our friends and neighbors in their time of need,” he continued. “They have lost friends and loved ones. Their homes, businesses and livelihoods have been destroyed by acts of god. Their communities are under water or reduced to rubble.

“It’s in our power to help them. But last night Republicans overwhelmingly voted to prevent us from coming to their aid. They prevented us from getting disaster aid to American families and businesses that need it now.”

The vote was 53-33, with Republicans uniting against measure that would have brought the aid package to a vote and put a rush on some emergency funds. A 60-vote majority was required to pass it.

“They don’t need help next week or next month,” Reid railed. “They need it now. They need it today.”

He added that because of the increased number of natural disasters this year, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has just over $300 million left. President Barack Obama has issued disaster declarations in 48 states since the beginning of 2011.

The funds are so low, Reid said, that FEMA has stopped rebuilding the town of Joplin, Missouri, which was practically destroyed by tornadoes earlier this year. It withdrew funding for the Joplin rebuilding in order to provide food and shelter to the victims of Hurricane Irene.

Gingerbread,

Romney used his veto more than 800 times and it was overturned 707 times. He was out of state 417 days in his 4 years. He raised fees on everything he could. Fees or taxes it's still money out of your pocket.

Romney is an avoidable disaster.

First Read:

In the 1970s, there were just an average of under eight named storms per year; in the 1980s, the average was just under nine; in the 1990s, it was about 11; in the 2000s, it jumped again, to nearly 15 storms a year; and -- get this -- in the first three years of this decade (2010, 2011, 2012), the average is under 19.

A few things to keep in mind when reviewing raw numbers like this. There are a lot of storms named now that never would have been named in the past due to better satellites and better knowledge of tropical cyclones. This year has featured several named storms that never made it to land and lasted only a day or two without breaking the 45 mph mark. Even accounting for that, there has been an increase in activity in the last few years...no question about that. Dr. Jeff Masters over at Weather Underground has written quite a few articles on the subject and it is a worthwhile read.

And I said it quite a few times before and I'll say it again at the risk of being repetitive...Craig Fugate is the man!!!!! Best appointment President Obama made by far. He continues to do Florida proud!! :-)

REPUBLICANS LEAVE A TRAIL OF DESTRUCTION OF AMERICAN LIVES REFUSING TO FUND AID FOR FEMA!

REPUBLICANS PREVENT THE ECONOMY FROM GETTING BETTER!

THEY WILL DO IT AGAIN AFTER HURRICANE SANDY!

REPUBLICONS AND ROMNEY DO THEIR BEST TO STOP GIVING AID TO DISASTER VICTIMS. ROMNEY WANTED TO KILL FEMA. REPUBS KILLED FUNDING FOR FEMA WHEN AMERICANS NEED HELP.

REPUBLICANS DO THEIR BEST TO MAKE THE NATION FAIL JUST TO ELECT THEIR CANDIDATE!

REPUBS HATE FEMA AND DEFUND FEMA TO MAKE THE NATION FAIL AND SUFFER!

Source :http://www.editedforclarity.com/2011/09/13/republicans-block-fema-funds-for-disaster-relief/

Republicans Block FEMA Funds For Disaster Relief

Posted by Leo Soderman on 9/13/11 • Categorized as News,Opinion

We have mentioned before (here and here) about how Eric Cantor has said he will block relief funds without offsetting cuts. He threatened to do it with funds for relief in Joplin, MO after their devastating F5 tornado, and again with Hurricane Irene. Apparently, the outcry about his positions did nothing to change the Republican mindset, and last night they voted to block a FEMA funding bill, never allowing it to come to a vote. Via Raw Story:

A package of disaster relief funding worth $7 billion was blocked from coming up for a vote by Senate Republicans on Monday, drawing sharp condemnation from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) who lambasted the conservative party for abandoning Americans in need.

“Last night, Democrats tried to move forward on a measure that would have granted the Federal Emergency Management Agency additional funding to help communities devastated by natural disasters,” Sen. Reid said in an advisory.

“This ought to be the least political issue going – whether to reach out a helping hand to our friends and neighbors in their time of need,” he continued. “They have lost friends and loved ones. Their homes, businesses and livelihoods have been destroyed by acts of god. Their communities are under water or reduced to rubble.

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The vote was 53-33, with Republicans uniting against measure that would have brought the aid package to a vote and put a rush on some emergency funds. A 60-vote majority was required to pass it.

“They don’t need help next week or next month,” Reid railed. “They need it now. They need it today.”

He added that because of the increased number of natural disasters this year, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has just over $300 million left. President Barack Obama has issued disaster declarations in 48 states since the beginning of 2011.

The funds are so low, Reid said, that FEMA has stopped rebuilding the town of Joplin, Missouri, which was practically destroyed by tornadoes earlier this year. It withdrew funding for the Joplin rebuilding in order to provide food and shelter to the victims of Hurricane Irene.

So – flooding victims aren’t getting the funds, and the people of Joplin are being victimized again, not by an act of God but an act of Senate Republicans. Keep in mind that this wasn’t a vote to deny the funds. It was a vote to deny the funding ever being considered. Maybe they thought that if it didn’t come up for a full vote, they could sweep it under the rug. I have a hunch those folks who have lost homes, businesses – even family members – won’t be so eager to see this swept away without full consideration.

Disaster relief is one of the things that government is best suited for. But as the constant drone from the right tells us, we should have no government. That somehow, these people should be able to fend for themselves when these disasters happen. As Ron Paul said in the CNN/Tea Party Express debate, that’s freedom.

In this case, it’s the freedom to lose everything you own and care about, and not get any help in recovering. I hope the folks in these hard-hit areas remember who pulled the rug out from under them when the 2012 elections roll around.

Yeah, the crisis brought out the real Romney- he set up his campaign offices for aid stations, and used his buses to evacuate people. Obama hopped on Air Force One, flew to Florida, and then someone told him how bad that might look, so he turned around and flew back to DC.

2010′s BP oil spill, decisive leadership at the top was clearly needed. But again, Obama was passive. The federal bureaucracy moved sluggishly, bereft of direction from Obama. Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal was out in front on the local response, but faced delays as the Administration dragged its feet. Public anger again turned first on BP, but this time, voters noticed that Obama wasn’t reacting like a leader, contributing to his falling job approval ratings.

Obama has rarely been out in front of the response to domestic natural disasters, from his arms-length response to 2009′s ice storms in Kentucky to belatedly visiting New Orleans, after Mitt Romney, following Hurricane Isaac last month.

Not one person should vote for the sham man in office now, vote Romney/Ryan to get America on it's feet, not at the trough. 2012- the end of an error

What was it Einstein said about insanity?? Oh yeah:

“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

Is that why Romney has hired the Ex-Bush, neocon, people for a new American century, warhawks.

GALLUP: ROMNEY UP 52-45% AMONG EARLY VOTERS

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***MORE: Obama's Early Vote Advantage Collapses 22-Points Over 2008

Very early on, before this campaign started in earnest, live or die, I publicly cast my lot with Gallup and Rasmussen. As a poll addict going back to 2000, these are the outlets that have always played it straight. It's got nothing to do with politics and everything to do with credibility and not wanting to kid myself. So when an outlet like Gallup tells me Romney is up seven-points, 52-45%, among those who have already voted, that's very big news.

Just as Gallup did with their bombshell survey showing that 2012 is looking like a year where Republicans will enjoy a record three-point turnout advantage over Democrats (a ten-point shift from 2008), for whatever reason, they buried the lede with this latest bombshell, as well. When you consider the fact that the CorruptMedia's been talking for weeks about how Obama's crushing Romney in early voting, you would think Gallup proving that Narrative a big fat phony lie would be news. Instead, though, they bury this explosive news at the bottom of a piece headlined: "In U.S., 15% of Registered Voters Have Already Cast Ballots".

Sounds like a nothing story, right?

Except waaaaay at the bottom we learn this:

Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate.

Romney currently leads Obama 52% to 45% among voters who say they have already cast their ballots. However, that is comparable to Romney's 51% to 46% lead among all likely voters in Gallup's Oct. 22-28 tracking polling. At the same time, the race is tied at 49% among those who have not yet voted but still intend to vote early, suggesting these voters could cause the race to tighten. However, Romney leads 51% to 45% among the much larger group of voters who plan to vote on Election Day, Nov. 6.

When Gallup says early voters don’t seem to be swaying the election, presumably what they means is that because Romney is ahead by five points nationally, an early voting advantage of seven-points isn't going to "sway the election."

Romney's early voting lead in Gallup may not jive with the CorruptMedia narrative, but it does with actual early vote totals that have been released and show Romney's early vote totals either beating Obama in swing states such as Colorado and Florida or chipping away at the President's advantage in the others. For example, here's what we know about Ohio's early voting numbers, thus far:

But here is what we do know: 220,000 fewer Democrats have voted early in Ohio compared with 2008. And 30,000 more Republicans have cast their ballots compared with four years ago. That is a 250,000-vote net increase for a state Obama won by 260,000 votes in 2008.

Something else in this Gallup survey also helps shed some light on what we're seeing in these sometimes counter-intuitive state polls. As the headline states, Gallup is showing that only 15% of the public has already voted. Moreover, they've broken down early voting by region and show that in the Midwest only 13% of voters have already voted. And yet, many polls in places like Ohio show a much higher percentage of early voters, some as high as 30%, which you can bet skews the data. In other words, those polls can't be correct.

Other than the fact that this is Gallup, another reason to embrace this poll is due to its very large sample size of 3,312 registered voters.

At the risk of sounding too much like a weather nerd...the statistic that most meteorologists use to define how active a hurricane season was is ACE - Accumulated Cyclone Energy. The top hurricane seasons by ACE are:

1. 2005

2. 1950

3. 1995

4. 2004

5. 1961

6. 1955

7. 1998

8. 1999

9. 2003

10. 1964

Notice that there is nothing in the 1970's or 1980's...cyclically, this was a down period after an active 1950's and 1960's.

To back up FR's point though, 2010-2012 are all considered above normal.

THe earth is billions of years old, has known cycles both large and small, and everything from sun spots, solar flares, and ocean currents play a role in the climate. Telling me that you have looked at the last 100 years of data and can come to a conclusion of what is going to happen and why it is happening is just stupid. This kind of "science" is very weak and has been proven to be wrong on most of its predictions. Measuring my driveway and coming to a conclusion of how round the world is and how much is covered by concrete would be the same kind of science.

Spartan117

The rumor...and all it is is a rumor....is that Jeep may move some production of Jeeps to Italy.

I read the Bloomberg article and it says absolutely nothing about moving production of Jeeps from American to Italy. Producing Jeeps in Italy doesn't mean they would stop production here. The Bloomberg article says that Fiat is thinking of producing cars for America in Europe because of the Europeans debt crisis and conservative austerity measures which leaves Europeans with less money to buy cars. While conservative austerity has kept Europe from recovering from the global economic mess that G.W. Bush started, the Obama recovery in the US is strong enough now that Americans are buying more cars. With rising demand, more cars could be shipped from Europe to America without production being cut back at American plants.

"Only in Republican fantasy-land would consolidating nine different departments into one, thereby streamlining many government responses to business needs, be "creating more government".

I continue to be amazed at how much Republicans struggle with basic things like Math, Facts, and Truth.

Do you need to repeat Kindergarten? A kindergartener could probably explain to you how 'One' is less than 'Nine'."

The sad part is that 50% of Americans apparently can't add or see through is obvious pandering and are willing to vote for a guy that outsourced or out right fired people for profit and believe his flip flopping BS.

Mitt has a Gold card membership to the same club that destroyed our economy he believes in them and only them and I for one am not ready to give them the keys back so soon. Mitt says it will take him 8 years so why not give Obama 8 years??? I guess its that math thing again.

http://nlpc.org/cached/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy.html?q=stories/2012/10/29/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy

LogicReguired

Telling me that you have looked at the last 100 years of data and can come to a conclusion of what is going to happen and why it is happening is just stupid.

What you said is just ignorant. Climate scientists have looked at ice cores going back thousands of years and other kinds of evidence. What they've found is that every time CO2 concentrations go up, so do temperatures. CO2 levels have increased due to natural forces in the past. But the evidence is overwhelming that CO2 levels are going up now because of human activity. Those are the facts.

1.) Was Chrysler sold to an Italian Company? - Yes

2.) Are they planning on building Jeeps in China? - Yes

Where is the lie?

Obama will not screw up the response to this storm. No president (whether "D" or "R") will fail in this way again. The whole system was restructured and refunded following Katrina. Lots of eyes focused on the matters at hand.

Hard to praise Obama for being "presidential" when all he is doing is what he is suppose to do.

Good form yesterday with Romney turning his campaign stops into a plea for donations and assistance to the Red Cross. This is exactly what he should have done... Another good move!

@CRYSTAL

http://www.examiner.com/article/harley-davidson-india <-Harley

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121026/POLITICS01/210260402 <-Jeep

perhaps your news should include more fact than FOX News opinion scare tactics, you know the Throw it against the wall and hope it sticks bunch.

http://bainport.com/ <- oh you want to talk about "Offshore" Romney

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GALLUP: ROMNEY UP 52-45% AMONG EARLY VOTERS

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Dude those "email Articles" are made by people of your ilk for your ilk, they are BS!

I bet you have been reading all sorts of "email articles" the past four years about Obama, 99% of which are untrue or twisted to your slant on his administration.

In short you are drinking some major kool aid!

HOW HOUSE REPUBLICANS WOULD MAKE IT HARDER TO PROVIDE HURRICANE RELIEF!

Ref thinkprogress.org

By Aviva Shen on Oct 29, 2012 at 10:25 am

Red Hook, Brooklyn flooded on Monday morning

The East Coast is bracing for the ever-strengthening Hurricane Sandy, which will affect 50 million people when it makes landfall on Monday evening. President Obama has declared a state of emergency in 7 states and DC, allowing them to receive federal funds for emergency disaster assistance.

Depending on the outcome of next week’s election, future victims of natural disasters may not be able to receive the same kind of assistance. Mitt Romney has suggested shutting down FEMA and turning disaster relief over to private companies. Meanwhile, House Republicans have repeatedly attempted to slash funds for disaster preparedness and response in 2011:

According to the House Appropriation Committee’s summary of the bill, the [GOP's 2011 continuing resolution] funds Operations, Research and Facilities for the National Oceanic Atmospheric Association with $454.3 million less than it got in FY2010; this represents a $450.3 million cut from what the president’s never-passed FY2011 budget was requesting. The National Weather Service, of course, is part of NOAA — its funding drops by $126 million. The CR also reduces funding for FEMA management by $24.3 million off of the FY2010 budget, and reduces that appropriation by $783.3 million for FEMA state and local programs.

With each major natural disaster in 2011, House Republicans dug in their heels over providing disaster relief. They repeatedly demanded the funds be offset by other spending cuts in the budget — even as a deadly tornado tore through Missouri, an earthquake shook Virginia, and when Hurricane Irene struck the east coast last year.
The politicization of disaster relief is likely to continue; the House Republican budget ignored a bipartisan agreement to make it easier to fund disaster relief, instead insisting again that spending cuts offset the emergency aid.

So now guys like David Walker think that the government saved GM? You guys think that Romney's math doesnt add up, lets take GM and Chrysler. First, let me give you some simple math lessons you guys dont seem to get. These companies were making an operating profit and lets say it was $100 dollars. But they had interest and principle payments of greater than $100 dollars and the debt was coming due and both companies didnt have access to debt to refinance. So they both filed for bankruptcy protection and because of the bank crisis, they couldnt obtain temporary financing so the government appropriately stepped in (as both Romney and Obama agreed they should have). However, the difference is that the Obama administration instead of allowing the bankruptcy to play out under normal rules, he eliminated the lenders debt and gave ownership of the company to the unions and didnt go through a process that would have made GM's business model more efficient. So GM came out of bankruptcy making $100 dollars just like it did before with no debt and all of you geniuses go look how great GM is doing. Well No, it is making money like it always did and would have without the crony capitalism payment to the unions. Now GM continues to have a broken business model that as they add debt over time will cause them to go bankrupt again. So David walker explain to me again how Obama saved the auto industry?

Second, I love how all of you Obama rose colored lack of critical thinking supporters dont connect the Chrysler building a plant in China to sell to Chinese customers as being inconsistent with your constant attacking of Romney and Bain and inconsistent with Obama's tax proposal to target companies who have foreign sales with the higher rate of tax. You realize that Obama's proposal to eliminate the deferral on US tax for foreign profits would actually kill jobs and hurt companies like GM and Chrysler who want to sell cars to China but if they have to pay a 35% US tax on profits while Toyota only has to pay a 15% Chinese tax on profits, then Toyota can sell their cars so much cheaper and no jobs will be created anywhere for US companies. You also realize that companies offshore jobs many times just as Bain did because they have foreign sales and need to lower costs to compete against foreign competition. The hypocrisy and lack of real critical thinking by the Obama campaigners on here is amazing when you have people like David Walker, Jen and Seeking Sanity calling the Romney supporters idiots at every post and you want to say Really?

What you said is just ignorant. Climate scientists have looked at ice cores going back thousands of years

My post was directed at First Read who made the absurd statement of..... Your First Read authors don’t pretend to be meteorologists or Dr. NOAAs, but it’s hard not to look at the following data and conclude that something is indeed happening out there when it comes to the climate. They then went on to go all the way back to 1970 (Sarcasm) as there data history. It is surprisingly stupid, and not fit for being put in an article.

As for your Climate Scientist claims, I would just say that yes most think carbon emissions do play a role, but to what extent and what measures should be taken there is no agreement.

"LogicReguired

1.) Was Chrysler sold to an Italian Company? - Yes

2.) Are they planning on building Jeeps in China? - Yes

Where is the lie?"

Well if you're only going to look at half the facts no where but if you go get ALL the facts maybe you can figure it out.

@ Kirk-2957282

Your post NAILED IT!

There is no point in me staying here to debate, Just read Kirks post and you will have all the answers you need.

For many years, Ford cars have been produced and sold in Great Britain. This has not curtailed production in the United States. Romney has decided that Jeep and Chrysler are not allowed to do the same thing. Jeep has been hiring more Americans, but Romney lies and feels he will get away with this whopper as well as the hundreds of other lies the press has been giving him a free pass on. Let Americans see Mitt for what he is in his closing ad campaign, a pathological liar, and ask yourself if this is the man you want in the White House, or do you want the man who is suspending his campaign FOR REAL to aid the American people with FEMA, the organization Romney promises to cut.

One last point on hurricanes and I'll be quiet...maybe. LOL!

If you look at the Eastern Pacific basin, there is not a single season in the 2000's with an ACE in the top 10 all time. There most active seasons were the 70's, 80's, and 90's. The exact opposite of the Atlantic basin. So there is a cyclical component.

However, the overall number of storms across both basins has seen an increase of late.

BP

Romney's quote was the lie.

"I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state Jeep — now owned by the Italians — is thinking of moving all production to China,"

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121026/POLITICS01/210260402#ixzz2AnKlbRmK <-it's that damn ALL word that made it a lie...

Yeah Jeep and Harley are considering making product in the market where they will sell the vehicles much like Toyota, Honda, Hyundai and countless other Foreign Car companies that build here in the US with US workers. They avoid High Tariffs and shipping.

Well if you're only going to look at half the facts no where but if you go get ALL the facts maybe you can figure it out.

You want me to prove your point for you? Good Argument.

I listened to the ad and want to know what in the ad is a lie. Does it maybe paint an unfair picture? Maybe, but does it lie like you all are claiming? NO

After all the ads against Romney that are unfair and stretch the truth you are going to go out and cry foul. Please you just look like poor losers.

Updated as of 11:00am EST on Tuesday, October 30:

Real Clear Politics (RCP) is consistently cited by both FOXNEWS and NBCNEWS as a current source for reliable averaged polling data at every level of American politics.

RCP continues to consider the following eleven states, listed in descending order of electoral votes, as "toss-up": Florida (FL), Pennsylvania (PA), Ohio (OH), Michigan (MI), North Carolina (NC),Virginia (VA), Colorado (CO), Wisconsin (WI), Iowa IO), Nevada (NV) and New Hampshire (NH).

With only 157 hours left in the 2012 presidential campaign, Obama leads in seven of the toss-ups, Romney leads in two, and in CO and VA as of Saturday the candidates are now tied.

In descending order of 'percentage of lead' in favor of Obama, followed in ascending order of 'percentage of lead' in favor of Romney, here are the published averaged numbers from RCP as of 11:00am EST today together with the FiveThirtyEight election night probability of victory for either candidate:

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In PA, with 20 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 4.7%.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 94.2% chance of winning PA.

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In MI, with 16 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 4.0%.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 98.1% chance of winning MI.

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In NV, with 6 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 2.4%.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama an 79.7% chance of winning NV.

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In WI, with 10 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 2.3%.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama an 85.7% chance of winning WI.

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In IO, with 6 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 2.3%.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 70.9% chance of winning IO.

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In NH, with 4 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 2.0%.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 70.3% chance of winning NH.

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In OH, with 18 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 1.9%.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 73.3% chance of winning OH.

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In VA, with 13 electoral votes, the race remains tied.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 57.8% chance of winning VA.

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In CO, with 9 electoral votes, the race remains tied.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 55.4% chance of winning CO.

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In FL, with 29 electoral votes, Romney's lead has fallen to 1.3%, down from yesterday's 1.4%.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Romney a 64.7% chance of winning FL.

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In NC, with 15 electoral votes, Romney's lead is holding at 3.0%.

FiveThirtyEight gives Romney an 81.4% chance of winning NC.

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For Obama to win re-election, the least complex route appears to be through maintaining his current lead in the four toss-up states in which his existing margins are widest, PA, MI, NV, and WI, together with OH where his lead has been hovering at a vulnerable 2.0% for the past few days. Doing so would bring his electoral vote total on Election Day to 271. In this scenario, Obama could still surpass 270 while failing to hold either IO or NH.

However, should Obama fail to hold OH, the loss could effectively be neutralized by any of the following combination of wins from states where FiveThirtyEight is currently predicting Obama victories:

Path #1: Obama loses OH but wins IO, NH, and CO resulting in 272 electoral votes.

Path #2: Obama loses OH but wins IO and VA resulting in 272 electoral votes.

Path #3: Obama loses OH but wins CO and VA resulting in 275 electoral votes.

However, regarding Path #1, there is some question as to the accuracy of the RCP polling numbers in NH which still include in their average a recent 'outlier' finding from UNH which had Obama leading by a questionable 9.0%.

For Romney to unseat Obama, he not only would have to hold the two states in which he presently leads, FL and NC, bringing his electoral vote total to 235, but also steal victories in CO where his lead fell from 0.4% on
Friday to that of dead heat, in VA where his lead fell from 1.0% on Saturday to another dead heat, and finally with OH where Obama's lead this morning is 1.9%. By so doing, Romney's electoral vote total would reach 275.

Should Romney take CO and VA but fail to take OH, he could overcome this shortfall by stealing WI and either IO or NH, resulting respectively in an electoral vote total of 273 or 271.

FiveThirtyEight, at present, estimates the chance of Election Day victory for each candidate as follows: Obama 72.9% - Romney 27.1%.

FiveThirtyEight also projects that on Election Day the final electoral tally will be as follows: Obama 295 -Romney 243.

Lastly, although it makes no difference in terms of the final result which can only be determined by the Electoral College, FiveThirtyEight also projects a national popular vote distribution on Election Day as follows: Obama 50.3% - Romney 48.8%.

With only 157 hours of campaigning left, this one may come down to the wire….and to the October jobs report which because of Hurricane Sandy may be delayed from a scheduled Friday release to the following Monday, one day before the election.

Let's hope that Election Day is free of both voter fraud and voter intimidation and that eligible voters who have registered in good faith over the past six months are in fact able to vote on November 6; let's also hope that vote tabulation itself is performed honestly and accurately by both the election commissions and private corporations to whom this essential role is being entrusted.

In any case, it will be interesting to watch as election night unfolds.

Mitt Romney's emergency plans - get rid of FEMA, leave it to the states, and no disaster relief from the federal government. I guess he thinks diaster relief should go private. Boy you guys on Wall Street - do I have a deal for you!

Obama/Biden 2012

Mr President,Sir: Many people, and a large part of our Country are close to devastation today. We need your singular focus on the whole of this tragedy. We look to your caring, thoughtful leadership to provide us the tools we so desperately need to overcome that, which, if politicized or left unattended, will yet overcome us. You are our President. We need your help. Please keep us informed. We need to know. Sincerely, 60 million Americans

Forgot to say it earlier...but I hope that everyone up North came through the storm ok. Haven't heard from a few regulars up there, so hopefully all is well.

No Jo...glad to hear your house came through ok...has to be a relief when you are stuck far away from home. And glad to hear your family is ok too.

Mac...were you affected by the storm? If so, I hope all is well with you. :-)

Every hiccup could get amplified; that’s the real political danger for the president.

Hiccups are the least of Americas concerns.

It's the Obamarrhea we've had to put up with for 4 years that's destroying our nation.

Incompetence in domestic, economic and foreign policy have become intolerable.

The social experiment of 2008 has turned out to be an abysmal failure. A junior senator whose only governance consisted of a few picnics in Chicago as a community organizer and writing a couple books, ABOUT HIMSELF, have proven to be catastrophic for our great Republic.

It's time to put an end to this nonsense. A POTUS who promotes mediocrity instead of American exceptionalism is not what American's need.

Demonizing the successful that have created the greatest economy in history will never recreate the wealth, prosperity and standard of living we are accustomed to. Class-warfare and this dysfunctional envy meme of the rich is typical of a statist elitist whose only concern is his own legacy.

It's time to evict this imposter who has been trespassing in our White House for 4 years and replace him with a real leader.

Hopefully the unwashed masses who voted for Barrack Hussein in 2008 to pretend they weren't racist don't make the same mistake in one week and prove their ignorance too.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

NOTE: Liberals/Progressives remember to vote on November 7th.

*waves to all the partisan hacks dividing America*

You all look like a bunch of name calling crybabies...Americans my ass... crybabies posting on the web about total crap is more like it... my guess is most of you cannot even tell me who your local Mayor and city board are...yet you spout Presidential advice like you all know what your talking about... that is called being a unproductive moron FYI.

My heart felt sympathies to ALL AMERICANS in the wake of Hurricane Sandy.

Third Way, a moderate think tank, wrote in March that the Ryan budget would cut funding by 62 percent for community and regional development, including disaster aid and insurance.

"This would mean less accurate predictions and planning for disasters, less preparation that can reduce the severity of their impact, and less timely responses," according to the Third Way memo. "It would set the clock back on disaster preparation to the days before Hurricane Katrina."

• Romney/Ryan would severely limit the Federal response to natural disasters like Hurricane Sandy. What a couple of JERKS!!!

Campaigning goes on ... yesterday a Reuters reporter in Pakistan reported he was able to make 2 campaign contributions to the Obama campaign one for $75 and one for $175 both in the name of Osama Bin Laden ... move America forward yeaaaa ....

He also tried to do the same on the Romney campaign website both contribution were rejected.

Now we know why " Obama.com " is owned by and run by a Chinese Corporation ... out of the reach of the FBI

Who is Harrison J. Bounel?

However, the difference is that the Obama administration instead of allowing the bankruptcy to play out under normal rules, he eliminated the lenders debt and gave ownership of the company to the unions and didnt go through a process that would have made GM's business model more efficient.

The facts do not agree with you. Over the next year, GM is projected to have earnings growth of 13.70%. (Source: http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=GM ).

So while it might be a lovely idea in your own little universe that GM is wildly inefficient, they are not only making money, they are expected to make more money every year than the year before, for the next five years. At least.

This kind of "science" is very weak and has been proven to be wrong on most of its predictions.

Yea, it's too bad that the prediction of sea rises and of larger and more powerful storms is already been borne out. Don't worry, though. You just stick your little head back in the sand. Global warming is a hoax. Nothing happened in New York. It's all bright and sunny there. All the pictures are a liberal conspiracy.

@Frank "Grimey" Grimes, Springfield,USA#1.86: Appreciate your consideration. One of my Grandsons, newly married, some 9 miles ne of "Ocean City, Md. lost His new home and 2 autos to water and trees. Both He and his wife are okay. As of 10 am they were heading out through the neighborhood to try and help others. Youngest son stuck in NY. No flights out. He's good. Says he's gonna head to one of the Missions and do what He can to help. Even if the flights resume He's gonna stay awhile. Good kids. Got the genes from my wife. I can't help but worry though.

Frank "Grimey" Grimes, Springfield, USA

If you look at the Eastern Pacific basin, there is not a single season in the 2000's with an ACE in the top 10 all time. There most active seasons were the 70's, 80's, and 90's. The exact opposite of the Atlantic basin. So there is a cyclical component.

A couple years ago, I read that some scientists think that the strength of hurricanes is not much affected by increased temperatures because as the entire Earth warms up, ocean temps and air temps go up together, and it's the difference in those temps that drives the hurricane's heat engine.

What is known is that the arctic ice is melting and northern nations are now bickering over mineral rights they never had access to before the warm-up in this decade. The warmest years on record have all been in the last decade, and the number of weather disasters costing more than a billion dollars has increased over the past decade.

The motive behind the claim that global warming isn't occurring orthat humans aren't responsible are the same as previous assurances that cigarettes won't ruin your health. The profit motive.

Folks, this is straight from Chrysler. Please note the date.

From: From the Office of Sergio Marchionne
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:00 AM
To: Chrysler Employees and Contractors
Subject: Chrysler Group Position on Jeep Production Plans

Chrysler Group’s production plans for the Jeep_® brand have become the focus of public debate.

I feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position: Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China.

North American production is critical to achieving our goal of selling 800,000 Jeep vehicles by 2014. In fact, U.S. production of our Jeep models has nearly tripled (it is expected to be up 185%) since 2009 in order to keep up with global demand.

We also are investing to improve and expand our entire U.S. operations, including our Jeep facilities. The numbers tell the story:

• • We will invest more than $1.7 billion to develop and produce the next generation Jeep SUV, the successor of the Jeep Liberty -- including $500 million directly to tool and expand our Toledo Assembly Complex and will be adding about 1,100 jobs on a second shift by 2013.
  • At our Jefferson North Assembly Plant, where we build the Jeep Grand Cherokee, we have created 2,000 jobs since June 2009 and have invested more than $1.8 billion.
  • In Belvidere, where we build two Jeep models, we have added two shifts since 2009 resulting in an additional 2,600 jobs.

With the increase in demand for our vehicles, especially Jeep branded vehicles, we have added more than 11,200 U.S. jobs since 2009. Plants producing Jeep branded vehicles alone have seen the number of people invested in the success of the Jeep brand grow to more than 9,300 hourly jobs from 4,700. This will increase by an additional 1,100 as the Liberty successor, which will be produced in Toledo, is introduced for global distribution in the second quarter of 2013.

Together, we are working to establish a global enterprise and previously announced our intent to return Jeep production to China, the world’s largest auto market, in order to satisfy local market demand, which would not otherwise be accessible. Chrysler Group is interested in expanding the customer base for our award-winning Jeep vehicles, which can only be done by establishing local production. This will ultimately help bolster the Jeep brand, and solidify the resilience of U.S. jobs.

Jeep is one of our truly global brands with uniquely American roots. This will never change. So much so that we committed that the iconic Wrangler nameplate, currently produced in our Toledo, Ohio plant, will never see full production outside the United States.

Jeep assembly lines will remain in operation in the United States and will constitute the backbone of the brand.

It is inaccurate to suggest anything different.

Sergio Marchionne

I listened to the ad and want to know what in the ad is a lie. Does it maybe paint an unfair picture? Maybe, but does it lie like you all are claiming? NO

Let Chrysler explain it to you.

From http://www.freep.com/article/20121030/BUSINESS01/121030034/Email-text-Chrysler-responds-to-Romney-s-ad-comments :-

I feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position: Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China.

North American production is critical to achieving our goal of selling 800,000 Jeep vehicles by 2014. In fact, U.S. production of our Jeep models has nearly tripled (it is expected to be up 185%) since 2009 in order to keep up with global demand.

We also are investing to improve and expand our entire U.S. operations, including our Jeep facilities. The numbers tell the story

Get it? No? I didn't think so. Some people are just incapable of logic.

Today’s WSJ has an editorial scoffing at Barry’s big new idea to demonstrate he is really not the most anti-business President in recent history. So, what’s his “big new idea”??

American businesses recently had record profits. Source ( http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2018290135_usceopay26.html ).

Seems like if Obama is anti-business, we need more anti-business Presidents in the White House.

Last year of his Presidency, Mr Pro-Business Bush's record is that the economy contracted more at any other time since the Depression.

Maybe Communism is not nearly so bad for business as it is cracked up to be.

Campaigning goes on ... yesterday a Reuters reporter in Pakistan reported he was able to make 2 campaign contributions to the Obama campaign one for $75 and one for $175 both in the name of Osama Bin Laden ... move America forward yeaaaa

20 out of 21 countries polled overwhelmingly want Obama to win. The exception? Pakistan. They love Mitt Romney.

Source:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20008687

The motive behind the claim that global warming isn't occurring orthat humans aren't responsible are the same as previous assurances that cigarettes won't ruin your health. The profit motive.

Don't forget the profit motive on the other side! While various companies stand to make tens of billions of profit due to ignoring global warming and not taking responsibility, don't forget that climate scientists make tens of thousands of dollars in salary every year. This clearly shows that global warming is a hoax.

(Yes, I am being sarcastic.)

Here's more on the auto ad issue. From WaPo Four Pinnochios for Mitt Romney.

Excerpt from the Washington Post:

Indeed, while the ad cites the conservative Detroit News in supporting Romney for president, the editoriallargely comes to same conclusion as this column regarding the viability of Romney’s plan for the auto industry in the midst of the Great Recession. The newspaper said Obama’s response to the auto industry crisis was “extraordinary” and an example of his “leadership on this issue:”

Don’t assume that it was a no-brainer for a conservative newspaper to endorse a conservative presidential candidate. We recognize and are grateful for the extraordinary contribution President Obama made to Michigan in leading the rescue of General Motors and Chrysler. Had either of those companies been allowed to go under, Michigan’s economic maladies would have become fatal.

The president stepped up with the support the two automakers needed to keep themselves and their suppliers in business. We have said in past editorials that while Romney rightly advocated for structured bankruptcies in his infamous “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt” New York Times op-ed, he was wrong in suggesting the automakers could have found operating capital in the private markets. In that article, Romney suggested government-backed loans to keep the companies afloat post bankruptcy. But what GM and Chrysler needed were bridge loans to get them through the process, and the private credit markets were unwilling to provide them. Obama put a rescue team to work and they were true to the task.

We have criticized Obama in past editorials for rewriting bankruptcy law on the fly to hold harmless his supporters in the United Auto Workers union. Still, Michigan is better off today because of Obama’s leadership on this issue.

Finally, the ad’s reference to Jeep production in China is technically correct but misleading, particularly in light of Romney’s comments on the campaign trail. The ad says that Obama “sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China,” but then adds: “Mitt Romney will fight for every American job.”

The unspoken message is that American jobs are being sent to China, even though the ad carefully tiptoes around that claim. (The ad, in fact, includes brief text quoting Bloomberg as saying Jeep production was returning to China.)

The Pinocchio Test

This ad shows that we have entered the final, desperate week of the campaign.

The series of statements in the ad individually may be technically correct, but the overall message of the ad is clearly misleading — especially since it appears to have been designed to piggyback off of Romney’s gross misstatement that Chrysler was moving Ohio factory jobs to China.

It is also especially strange that the ad touts Romney’s endorsement by the Detroit News, when the editorial actually backs up Obama’s criticism of Romney’s response to the auto industry crisis.

Four Pinocchios

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/4-pinocchios-for-mitt-romneys-misleading-ad-on-chrysler-and-china/2012/10/29/2a153a04-21d7-11e2-ac85-e669876c6a24_blog.html?hpid=z6

Byron and David, I still dont understand the points you guys are making. Byron, you realize that earnings will grow when you dont have any debt right? So as GM takes on debt in order to pay off its liabilities eg union health and pension obligations, it will begin to eat into those earnings. Second, not hard to have very moderate earnings growth with no debt in a slow growth environment. Its the ability to weather the economic cycles that make the difference. As GM piles up debt it will definitely file bankruptcy again.

David, you did see in your Chrysler write up that they will have jeep production in China. Why not produce those cars here in the US? You are so critical of Bain and blindly follow Obama policies explain how producing cars in China benefits the US even for cars sold in China? Can you tell me how they are going to compete effectively after Obama's new tax proposal is enacted creating an immediate 35% tax on sales to China while Toyota only pays the local Chinese tax? Come on brilliant one, Romney is right as usual on this one and it just kills you guys doesnt it.

This kind of "science" is very weak and has been proven to be wrong on most of its predictions.

Yea, it's too bad that the prediction of sea rises and of larger and more powerful storms is already been borne out. Don't worry, though. You just stick your little head back in the sand. Global warming is a hoax. Nothing happened in New York. It's all bright and sunny there. All the pictures are a liberal conspiracy.

What is it with you liberals and lack of reading comprehension? I was referring to the First Read article which gave anecdotal evidence of "something happening". That is not science at all!

I'm sure you are correct and this country and New York has never been hit by a Hurrican before cars and carbon emission.

NOAA Data shows NO Acceleration in Sea Levels, but hey don't let facts get in the way of your adgenda.

Global temperature hasn’t risen in 14 years, and instead even shows a decreasing tendency. Thus the CO2 climate hypothesis is in a free-fall. Moreover, the sea levels, which have been rising for 10 thousand years, show no acceleration whatsoever globally, in stark contrast to the IPCC prognoses. There are many locations where the sea level trend has slowed down, like at the North Sea.”

http://notrickszone.com/2012/09/21/noaa-data-again-shows-no-sea-level-rise-co2-climate-hypothesis-is-in-a-free-fall/

Caesar Disgustus

Albany Joe, looks like you have a fan base, it would appear your HAHA's get a lot imitation, the sincerest form of flattery.

Imitation is also the sincerest form of mockery. You're too clueless to know the difference, apparently.

Kirk -- From the same article linked above in WaPo:

This is a strange bit of spin, given that all international automakers build cars in other overseas markets. In this case, one could argue it is a sign of the company’s growing strength that it is returning to a major overseas market that it had abandoned. (Moreover, Chrysler is planning to add to its Jeep workforce in the United States in 2013.)

Joe in Albany

Obama now says he wants a cabinet officer for business. Seriously.

But, but, but don’t we already have a ”Job Czar”?

Didn’t Barrack Hussein already appoint another unelected official to “create jobs” and business?

Isn’t GE’s CEO, Jeff Immelt, at the head of the Economic Advisory Board? The “Jobs Czar” for the Obama administration?

Have we heard about GE touting themselves as champions of the factory worker?

Of course we have.

GE has also recently closed more than 20 factories, shifted avionics and radiology businesses to China according to Reuters, and pushed for public policies that will allow them to continue that course.

GE is self-identifying "core" manufacturing interests, as though its other manufacturing interests simply vanished from the books. The truth is, they closed many of those plants here in America. According to GE's own records and statements, it had 125,000 U.S. manufacturing jobs in 2000 compared to 50,000 in 2010.

Government records show at least 38 events since 2001 in which workers at GE plants in the U.S. were made eligible for trade adjustment assistance (TAA) due to outsourcing or import competition. TAA is a program of the United States government to act as a way to reduce the damaging impact of imports felt by certain sectors of the U.S. economy.

Immelt has referred to China as GE's "second home market"

Yep, I guess another Cabinet position should make job creation much easier. I’m sure this position will “focus like a laser” on the economy and job creation just like Barrack Hussein has.

What should be astonishing to everyone is a recent study done by the European Central Bank (ECB). Europe is in the midst of a massive fiscal crisis caused by too much government. As has been their and our compulsion, they just feel spending more borrowed money, rather than any austerity measures to reduce the size of government, is the solution. The study finds that government spending is unambiguously harmful to economic performance.

But these warnings fall on deaf ears to statists such as Barrack Hussein. This is what happens when you elect an Ivy League faculty lounge elitist. Their policy is based on a mutual self aggrandizement based on how many books they have read. If you are so capable and write a book you are placed on a pedestal. Obviously running the largest and most successful economy in history is simply a cook-book solution away from success.

Failure is no longer an option. It’s time to elect a statesman with both governance and business experience.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

NOTE: Liberals/Progressives remember to vote on November 7th.

"logic"reguired:

What is it with you liberals and lack of reading comprehension? I was referring to the First Read article which gave anecdotal evidence of "something happening".

No, you weren't. You used the word "science" so you were attacking climate science, not First Read:

Telling me that you have looked at the last 100 years of data and can come to a conclusion of what is going to happen and why it is happening is just stupid. This kind of "science" is very weak and has been proven to be wrong on most of its predictions.

And you believe what you read on the crackpot web site you linked to, then you probably believe tobacco companies' claims that ciggies won't hurt you.

Kirk writes:

Byron and David, I still dont understand the points you guys are making.

That says it all right there.

Jack in Portsmouth -- Good to see your post. Hope all is okay where you are at.

Kirk-2957282 (Post #1.75)

Excellent post.

It’s amazing how Liberals will ignore the rule of law so easily.

Not only was the GM and Chrysler bailout illegal, it was unconstitutional. One of governments mandates is to enforce contracts, not abrogate them for political benefit.

But then again, when we have a POTUS who is allegedly a Constitutional scholar who repeatedly tramples over the Constitution due to his ideology, it shouldn’t surprise us.

It’s obvious Liberals/Progressives know how abusive this POTUS has been with the rule of law, they just don’t want to admit their advocacy of it.

This is not unusual as it adds to their belief that government can do everything because of their inability to succeed. It’s sad that so many Americans have been indoctrinated into the class warfare and envy meme and have lost all their self-respect and ambition.

Barrack Husseins suckling of the unions goonions teat is obvious, even as it destroys our ability to be competitive in the 21^st century global economies. Their convoluted belief that unions benefit them is an admonition of their inability to be paid a fair wage based on their skills. Their constant need to be paid more than they’re worth is an indictment of their complacency.

GM could have been rescued via a normal Chapter 11 bankruptcy. The company would have emerged would have been stronger and more capable to compete. Instead it was just a massive illegal transfer of wealth from creditors and bond holders to the goonions. The nonsense that it couldn’t be financed is disproven in the face of Chrysler being bought by Fiat.

As you also pointed out, their hypocrisy is exposed as they promote foreign manufacturers “outsourcing” their operations here but when American companies such as GE, Apple and other conglomerates do the same they are silent. Yet when Bain Capital did it they were rabid in their delusion.

Hypocrisy knows no bounds with Liberals/Progressives as long as it doesn’t interfere with the altar of big-government they worship at.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

NOTE: Liberals/Progressives remember to vote on November 7th.

Byron and David, I still dont understand the points you guys are making. Byron, you realize that earnings will grow when you dont have any debt right? So as GM takes on debt in order to pay off its liabilities eg union health and pension obligations, it will begin to eat into those earnings.

The very core of your argument is that the crushing load of having to support older/retired (ex-)employees is going to bankrupt the company. And your people are livid at the fact that Obama has continued to meet these obligations to employees.

Yet, keep in mind that over the last few years GM has been able to shoulder this burden - it has been continually paying the obligations and the earnings growth that is projected keeps in mind these liabilities, as they are well-known and well-understood.

Yes, it is not possible to argue that GM will never go bankrupt. Many types of unforeseen circumstances can cause bankruptcy, or something people have not thought of yet.

But, this is a political forum. So real question is not whether GM is a viable obligation, but whether Obama managed to make the taxpayer more money than the taxpayer put in. Was this a good business decision?

The answer there is yes. Keep in mind that the taxpayer doesn't just make (or lose) money on GM stock. GM employees and the firm itself pay taxes into the US Treasury, and as individual taxpayers, we benefit when other people pay their taxes. These employees would have become a liability to the taxpayer, as there was no possibility for GM to obtain financing from private sources at that time.

This is real money. GM IS selling cars, and the money paid for those cars eventually goes into the pockets of employees and ex-employees. Part of this money ends up in the US Treasury where it benefits me and you collectively. Our best interests do not lie with GM making loads of money and being insanely profitable and then squirreling all that money into a Swiss bank account. Our best interests lie in a maximal amount of GM's cash going into paying its employees, which is how as taxpayers we will maximize our return.

Essentially, the argument you are making is that the taxpayer and the US Treasury is maximizing income through GM. How exactly is this bad for you, me, and our country? Furthermore, I do not believe your predictions of GM bankruptcy are accurate. But for the sake of argument, let us assume that such is the case and GM is currently paying out too much.

Let's see what happens...If there is a future bankruptcy, we just explain to the debt-holders (the ex-employees and employees), that they have to accept a lower payout, and they have to accept, having no other choice. The income to the US Treasury will also go lower, because they receive less taxable income, but that's just reality.

What difference does it make to you and me? Obama's job is to legally and reasonably maximize the return to the US Treasury. That is what he did, and very successfully, with GM.

Obama is not a CEO. He is not America's CEO. America does not have a CEO, and does not need a CEO. Rather, we need a President. That is Mr Romney's mistake. It is possible that he would make a good President, perhaps even a great President. The problem is that he has made very little attempt to sell himself as a President, he's been telling us he wants to be CEO.

The reason some people are livid about GM is that the employees came out ahead of management. This is a reversal of usual business practice, where employees are shafted and the bankruptcy is used as a way to break up the union. There is a deep and abiding contempt for the average working man, in the minds of some people. When Obama made sure that a million such people came out alright, that is when the enmity started.

DCIA--not sure how your paragraph changes or impacts my point at all. So explain to me again as it appears not one single Obama supporter has tried, how opening a plant in China to sell goods overseas is any different than the companies you guys criticized Bain and Romney and why Chrysler would do that when they could create the same jobs here in the US. Explain to me how your substantive support is consistent with Obama's tax plan (my answer is that Obama knows his plan makes no economic sense but is pandering to the dummies voters because it sounds like good politics) to eliminate the deferral of US on foreign earnings.

Good one Jack, I see you continue to have nothing substantive to add.

I wrote:

The reason some people are livid about GM is that the employees came out ahead of management. This is a reversal of usual business practice, where employees are shafted and the bankruptcy is used as a way to break up the union. There is a deep and abiding contempt for the average working man, in the minds of some people. When Obama made sure that a million such people came out alright, that is when the enmity started.

And while I was writing that, this hatred was about to be on open display through JimSpence's posting. Thank you for making my point.

No More Carter

Byron, you are making the wrong comparisons and I suspect you know that. And you also either dont understand where corporate profits go and are really making up silly lies. First, neither I, Romney or Obama stated that the government providing financing during the chapter 11 process was wrong or not appropriate. So under all scenarios, GM would have emerged a profitable company because under all scenarios, its liabilities would have been eliminated. However, it is clear that Obama and his administration provided a political payoff to the unions and went against established bankruptcy law. Second, the unions would have survived a managed bankruptcy but they would have had to negotiate with the lenders as the new owners so the new contract would have created a business model that would be better able to compete and survive economic cycles. Under both scenarios, the employees would have had jobs and paid taxes etc. Finally, if the shareholders make profits those profits dont go to Switzerland they go to institutions. Guess who realizes those profits? you and I and the unions. The largest shareholders are union pension plans and 401(k) plans. I would be willing to bet that any economist worth their weight, would tell you a more streamlined efficient GM that makes more money for its shareholders and employees provides more revenue in taxes to the government. So your theory is at best equal and more likely 100% wrong.

So explain to me again as it appears not one single Obama supporter has tried, how opening a plant in China to sell goods overseas is any different than the companies you guys criticized Bain and Romney and why Chrysler would do that when they could create the same jobs here in the US.

Surely this is blindingly obvious?

Since this needs to be explained, let me lay it out. There are two differences:

1. Laying off a productive worker is much worse than not hiring a productive worker in the first place. Chrysler is not moving work overseas. They have explicitly said they are not. Mr Romney, on the other hand, has benefited greatly from doing exactly that.

2. Bain and Mr Romney then ship the Chinese goods back into the US. Chrysler, on the other hand, is making cars in China to sell to the Chinese.

If you do that, you are, quite literally, a parasite. About 2/3rds of the American economy runs on the American consumer. (That is why consumer sentiment is such a closely watched index.) The American consumer also happens to be the American worker, the middle class. His purchasing power comes from the salary he receives at work. It is a semi-closed system. If you open the loop by laying off workers and shipping work overseas, you are hitting the economy where it hurts - by reducing the purchasing power of the American consumer.

JimSpence, the FBI is coming for you. Will you put up a fight?

"logic"reguired:

What is it with you liberals and lack of reading comprehension? I was referring to the First Read article which gave anecdotal evidence of "something happening".

No, you weren't. You used the word "science" so you were attacking climate science, not First Read:

Yes I used the word "science" in a context which REQUIRES reading comprehension. I have provided my first post below for context and have also provide the REPSONSE I already gave you telling you I was responding to first read and actually agreed that yes MOST climate scientist do believe carbon emissions to have an effect.

Telling me that you have looked at the last 100 years of data and can come to a conclusion of what is going to happen and why it is happening is just stupid. This kind of "science"is very weak and has been proven to be wrong on most of its predictions.

And you believe what you read on the crackpot web site you linked to, then you probably believe tobacco companies' claims that ciggies won't hurt you.

That crackpot website was talking about a report from the NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration), which is a federal agency that actually believes in global warming. They just don't falsify information to fit an agenda like so many others. I noticed you didn't try to argue against the point that sea levels were not rising like predicted (and like you stated as if were true) you just went into name calling and that somehow this has something to do with cigarettes.

First Read should leave the climate science to the people who know what they are talking about and not make stupid statements from their uneducated observation over the last couple of decades. And you should stop telling me what I'm saying and what I must believe and start coming with evidence that disproves what I have said about climate cycles, and sea levels, or save your little cigarette straw men arguments for someone who will engage in such nonsense.

First POST: THe earth is billions of years old, has known cycles both large and small, and everything from sun spots, solar flares, and ocean currents play a role in the climate. Telling me that you have looked at the last 100 years of data and can come to a conclusion of what is going to happen and why it is happening is just stupid. This kind of "science" is very weak and has been proven to be wrong on most of its predictions. Measuring my driveway and coming to a conclusion of how round the world is and how much is covered by concrete would be the same kind of science.

Second POST: My post was directed at First Read who made the absurd statement of..... Your First Read authors don’t pretend to be meteorologists or Dr. NOAAs, but it’s hard not to look at the following data and conclude that something is indeed happening out there when it comes to the climate. They then went on to go all the way back to 1970 (Sarcasm) as there data history. It is surprisingly stupid, and not fit for being put in an article.

As for your Climate Scientist claims, I would just say that yes most think carbon emissions do play a role, but to what extent and what measures should be taken there is no agreement.

Kirk -- Answer me this. By eliminating taxes paid on profits overseas are we not then incentivizing more business to move their operations overseas?

BTW folks -- Jim Spence is most likely a paid lackey from some far right leaning group.

1. Laying off a productive worker is much worse than not hiring a productive worker in the first place. Chrysler is not moving work overseas. They have explicitly said they are not. Mr Romney, on the other hand, has benefited greatly from doing exactly that.

2. Bain and Mr Romney then ship the Chinese goods back into the US. Chrysler, on the other hand, is making cars in China to sell to the Chinese.

You complain about the Misrepresentation Romney gives on Jeep and then go on to Misrepresent Romney's record of jobs overseas at Bain. As FactCheck.org has said, no jobs were shipped overseas when Romney was the head of Bain and "we’ve seen no evidence so far to show that Romney was actually running Bain, even part-time and from a distance of nearly 2,100 miles, as the Obama campaign wishes voters to believe."

So you want us to feel sorry for Obama and call Romney a liar while you push lies and misrepresent his record? The Romney commercial said nothing that wasn't true, it may have gave an impression that isn't true, but the actual commercial is accurate. Romney shipping jobs overseas at Bain on the other hand isn't even factually true and IS A COMPLETE LIE, yet you liberals feel no remorse continuing the lie.

Logic,

To those that believe the earth is less than 6000 years old, only 99.5% of scientists believe that climate change has been caused or accelerated by human activity. (They cling to any tiny bit of doubt.)

Byron, you are making the wrong comparisons and I suspect you know that.

Nicely said. You already gave advance warning of the weakness of your arguments. I appreciate your honesty.

And you also either dont understand where corporate profits go and are really making up silly lies. First, neither I, Romney or Obama stated that the government providing financing during the chapter 11 process was wrong or not appropriate. So under all scenarios, GM would have emerged a profitable company because under all scenarios, its liabilities would have been eliminated. However, it is clear that Obama and his administration provided a political payoff to the unions and went against established bankruptcy law.

I like the way you insist that the "bankruptcy law" is "established." Law does not have to be established. Conventions have to be established. And yes, as I have already mentioned, Obama went against established business conventions, here:-

The reason some people are livid about GM is that the employees came out ahead of management. This is a reversal of usual business practice, where employees are shafted and the bankruptcy is used as a way to break up the union. There is a deep and abiding contempt for the average working man, in the minds of some people. When Obama made sure that a million such people came out alright, that is when the enmity started.

So I am not sure what you are trying to say here, aside from saying that you disagree with me. But you don't.

Second, the unions would have survived a managed bankruptcy but they would have had to negotiate with the lenders as the new owners so the new contract would have created a business model that would be better able to compete and survive economic cycles.

The US Treasury is the new owner. It negotiated a contract that is in its best interests, as I demonstrated in my previous article. In order to argue otherwise, you will have to make the case it is the Treasury's interest to make lesser money.

Under both scenarios, the employees would have had jobs and paid taxes etc. Finally, if the shareholders make profits those profits dont go to Switzerland they go to institutions.

Many of which are based in Switzerland. Yes, I am willing to freely conceded that I did not mean "Switzerland" literally, but rather, as a euphemism. Speaking as a 401(K) holder or investor, I don't care if my dividends come from GM or from AT&T. I am not that interested in GM specifically making a lot of money. So the idea that somehow I will be benefiting specifically from GM as an investor is a load of BS.

Beyond that, though, it is in the US Treasury's interest to maximize its returns.

Guess who realizes those profits? you and I and the unions. The largest shareholders are union pension plans and 401(k) plans. I would be willing to bet that any economist worth their weight, would tell you a more streamlined efficient GM that makes more money for its shareholders and employees provides more revenue in taxes to the government.

Anyone who understands business, and I starting to suspect that you absolutely do not, understands that "makes more money for shareholders and employees" just isn't true. If the employees make more money, then the shareholders make less money, and vice versa. That is why announcement of large layoffs almost invariably causes a stock price to go up, all else being equal.

If there is a tax to be paid on some amount of money, it is in YOUR best interests, as a taxpayer, to have the money taxed from the employee, who is going to pay higher taxes than the 15% dividend rate.

So, yes. Obama gave GM's money to the employees. He gave more than is considered conventional during bankruptcies. However, as Treasure-in-Chief (so to speak) he maximized return for the US Treasury. That is what he should have done. Anyone else, specifically Mr Romney would have done a sub-optimal job, specifically because he would be thinking like a CEO and not as the President. That is what disqualifies Mr Romney and qualifies Mr Obama for the job.

So your theory is at best equal and more likely 100% wrong.

Right.

Obama will glean every political advantage he can out of this storm.

You complain about the Misrepresentation Romney gives on Jeep and then go on to Misrepresent Romney's record of jobs overseas at Bain. As FactCheck.org has said, no jobs were shipped overseas when Romney was the head of Bain and "we’ve seen no evidence so far to show that Romney was actually running Bain, even part-time and from a distance of nearly 2,100 miles, as the Obama campaign wishes voters to believe."

Let's take a look at what I said, shall we?

2. Bain and Mr Romney then ship the Chinese goods back into the US. Chrysler, on the other hand, is making cars in China to sell to the Chinese.

Where did I ever say "Romney is the head of Bain", or "Romney was the head of Bain when Bain started shipping jobs overseas?" What has been said is that Romney has benefited and continues to benefit from Bain shipping the jobs overseas. That is because he still retains a significant interest in Bain.

Are you seriously trying to maintain that if Mr Romney called up the head of Bain right now, whoever he happens to be, and as a major stockholder told him to knock it off, Mr Romney would receive any pushback?

So you want us to feel sorry for Obama and call Romney a liar while you push lies and misrepresent his record?

No, I wish you to think. I know it is a futile hope, but such is life.

I noticed you didn't try to argue against the point that sea levels were not rising like predicted (and like you stated as if were true) you just went into name calling and that somehow this has something to do with cigarettes.

I noticed that you do not argue that sea levels are NOT rising. You are only trying to argue that they are not rising according to some models.

THe earth is billions of years old, has known cycles both large and small, and everything from sun spots, solar flares, and ocean currents play a role in the climate. Telling me that you have looked at the last 100 years of data and can come to a conclusion of what is going to happen and why it is happening is just stupid.

You seem to be big on misrepresentation. It's interesting that you are basing you argument on "climate scientists have only looked at the least 100 years of data." Actually, climate scientists have looked at billions of years of data, because that is the amount of data available.

As for your Climate Scientist claims, I would just say that yes most think carbon emissions do play a role, but to what extent and what measures should be taken there is no agreement.

Of course there is no agreement. That's because people don't want to admit that there's a problem.

ED-2874315

JimSpence, the FBI is coming for you. Will you put up a fight?

No. Why? Should I have ED?

They just left here and commended me on exercising my freedom of speech in our Federal Constitutional Republic.

They told me not to waste my time with the nonsense that comes out of the,,,how did they put it,,,Liberal useful idiots.

They said they know that many on the Left are incapable of understanding our First Amendment Rights.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

NOTE: Liberals/Progressives remember to vote on November 7th.

BTW, ED, just before they came over I donated another $500 to the American Red Cross to help with the disaster relief.

Have you sent your donation in yet? I don't think you can use your EBT card though.

BTW, ED, just before they came over I donated another $500 to the American Red Cross to help with the disaster relief.

Given the paucity and meanness of spirit you seem to continually demonstrate, I remain highly doubtful that you could ever have shown such generosity. I guess it's possible, though highly unlikely.

Meanwhile: Mittens is in Ohio collecting "supplies" in front of the cameras and "checks for his campaign" behind the scenes Shameless is Wormney.

I Implore BOTH candidates to suspend their campaigns until the election. We in America have bigger fish to fry. Mittens will continue to collect checks and pretend to care while President Obama is being Presidential and caring about Americans.

Mittens wants FEMA gone. Mittens wants education gone. Mittens wants more military spending. Mittens wants war with Iran, Syria, China and Russia. Mittens will NOT care about those he sends to battle. He even said the best way for his 5 bastard sons to serve this nation, is IF Mittens is the President. Not by serving in the military. Serving in the military is higher than working for dear old dad.

He even said the best way for his 5 bastard sons to serve this nation, is IF Mittens is the President.

Mr Romney's sons are not illegitimate. There is no need to resort to name-calling. Why is it necessary for you to speak like this? Liberals win on the issues. Please leave the insults for the other side.

Byron, I actually do know what I am talking about as a lawyer and finance executive in real estate, I deal with bankruptcy and financial issues all the time. Its not a convention but law, established law and precedent. Almost never are the lenders squeezed out of ownership and never for unsecured creditors but good try and you clearly are wrong on this. As for your attempts at trying to back away from your comments regarding shareholders doing well etc if GM makes more money are almost laugable. Its accretive not dilutive. We have a double tax system so if GM makes more money, they pay corporate tax and the shareholders do pay a lower tax rate on ALREADY taxed earnings. The employees in this situation were not harmed in cash compensation and would only likely have to pay a larger portion of their income into their benefits which would not impact the tax revenue to the government. You arent going to convince me or any economist that a less profitbable company and less efficient company is going to generate more revenue.

You obviously dont understand business by calling someone a parasite for competing in the global economy. There is no difference between expanding overseas and expanding in the US in your example except you try to equate somehow that trying to be more competitive by hiring overseas is somehow less parasitic than replacing an existing worker. The better comparison is whether you replace and retain some employees or go out of business and have no employees. Virtually all the companies we are talking about have foreign sales and earnings and they dont base their payroll decisions on some pro rata basis of sales. They base it on ability to compete against their competitors so your parasitic characterization is way off base.

DCIA--not at all. In fact it has the opposite impact. If the US were to adopt the tax system of every single other country in the world which is that they pay tax under the foreign system and can repatriate earnings after tax to the US without US tax, first you compete far better against foreign competition, can lower the price of your products such as GM cars and sell more products increasing employment in the US and capital overseas can be brought back to the US and reinvested here more effectively instead of sitting in a bank account doing nothing overseas.

Byron Raum

I remain highly doubtful that you could ever have shown such generosity.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

Of course you are.

As a Liberal, you probably believe I should have sent the money to the government so they could do a much better job of redistributing my wealth.

Just like the government has such a stellar record managing your and my tax dollars.

Here's a few examples of your sacrosanct idol, the U.S. governments, proud record of achievement. Be aware that most of these reports are our OWN government watchdogs reporting this corruption.

The federal government made at least $125 billion in improper payments in 2011.

Washington spends $92 billion on corporate welfare (excluding TARP) versus $71 billion on homeland security.

Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties.

Government auditors spent the past five years examining all federal programs and found that 22 percent of them–costing taxpayers a total of $123 billion annually–fail to show any positive impact on the populations they serve. (Read this one a few times to understand the impact of its message)

The Congressional Budget Office published a “Budget Options” series identifying more than $140 billion in potential spending cuts.

Examples from multiple Government Accountability Office (GAO) reports of wasteful duplication include 342 economic development programs; 130 programs serving the disabled; 130 programs serving at-risk youth; 90 early childhood development programs; 75 programs funding international education, cultural, and training exchange activities; and 72 safe water programs. The GAO estimates that betwee $200 billion and $400 billion is lost annually.

The Institute of Medicine reported that health care fraud is estimated to cost taxpayers more than $750 billion annually.

So, we have our own government telling us our own government is wasting all this money.

Yep, our government is where you Libbies need to keep sending your hard earned tax dollars. It does such a bang-up with our money, doesn't it?

I spend more than most people make in a half a year to have my taxes prepared to avoid, NOT EVADE, paying as much tax as possible.

So should you.

When I see so much massive waste, fraud, abuse and corruption of our tax dollars, the last person I'm going to entrust my charitable donations with is the government.

NO ONE, should send another penny, certainly not MORE tax dollars, to our government until it can run itself effectively, efficiently and affordably. Instead of demanding the mean, evil, nasty, rich people pay more into this bottomless pit you should be boycotting the government until it can show true fiscal responsibility.

Unfortunately, you won't.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

NOTE: Liberals/Progressives remember to vote on November 7th

My fellow Americans:

We have just emerged from one of the worst natural disasters to ever befall the United States. Hurricane Sandy devastated the entire eastern seaboard and affected perhaps 20% of the population. Let me state that any prior doubts on the effects of global warming on weather patterns, on whether we are at a threshold in human history, or even on global warming's existence have been shattered after today. Hurricane Sandy was greatly aided by global warming, which caused a jet stream to collide with it and intensifying the storm. We cannot continue to doubt the effect of carbon pollution on our atmosphere or the effect on global weather patterns. This is the truth: Mother Nature is pissed. We will rebuild, we will go on, but we cannot live like we did before this disaster. We must re-energize our efforts to cut carbon emissions and promote cleaner and more efficient forms of energy. We must repair our battered and crumbling infrastructure, not only in New York and New Jersey but throughout the nation. We must end this partisan bickering over petty issues and unite as a nation and as a species to combat global warming. Earth will continue to exist for centuries to come; humanity, however, is forever mortal.

JimSpence

Just like the government has such a stellar record managing your and my tax dollars.

Here's a few examples of your sacrosanct idol, the U.S. governments, proud record of achievement. Be aware that most of these reports are our OWN government watchdogs reporting this corruption.

Where's your source??? I'd like to see your proof.

The federal government made at least $125 billion in improper payments in 2011.

Washington spends $92 billion on corporate welfare (excluding TARP) versus $71 billion on homeland security.

Technically, that includes subsidies and grants AND tax breaks. Closing those would automatically raise taxes to some degree. And I am not necessarily against corporate welfare; just against that which is not needed or not provided efficiently and effectively. And I don't really think we need a Department of Homeland Security; the Defense Department ought to take control of defending the nation.

Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties.

So we can sell some of them; still raises less than eliminating the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans...

Government auditors spent the past five years examining all federal programs and found that 22 percent of them–costing taxpayers a total of $123 billion annually–fail to show any positive impact on the populations they serve. (Read this one a few times to understand the impact of its message)

I'd like to see the source, and if that is true we should eliminate waste and fraud; that doesn't mean we should rollback the size of government back to the 1920s.

The Congressional Budget Office published a “Budget Options” series identifying more than $140 billion in potential spending cuts.

Examples from multiple Government Accountability Office (GAO) reports of wasteful duplication include342 economic development programs; 130 programs serving the disabled; 130 programs serving at-risk youth; 90 early childhood development programs; 75 programs funding international education, cultural, and training exchange activities; and 72 safe water programs. The GAO estimates that betwee $200 billion and $400 billion is lost annually.

Alright then; still doesn't solve the problem of our deficits. The current deficits are $7 trillion over 10 years, and under a Romney administration it could total up to $14 trillion. You have half of the equation, but you still don't pay for the Romney tax cuts or the increase in defense spending.

The Institute of Medicine reported that health care fraud is estimated to cost taxpayers more than $750 billion annually.

That actually is false; fraud (and waste) in the healthcare system costs everyone, not just taxpayers, $750 billion a year.

So, we have our own government telling us our own government is wasting all this money.

Yep, our government is where you Libbies need to keep sending your hard earned tax dollars. It does such a bang-up with our money, doesn't it?

I spend more than most people make in a half a year to have my taxes prepared to avoid, NOT EVADE, paying as much tax as possible.

You want to make a point and demand reform??? Go ahead. Nobody's stopping you. Hell, I'd even support you, and I'm a "redistributionist Keynesian." The problem with your proposal is (A) not all of the waste will be eliminated and (B) you still don't solve the problem of growing costs and shrinking revenues. The federal government is taking in perhaps 16% of GDP and spending perhaps 23% of GDP; that is unsustainable. If it were up to me, I would increase revenues to about 21% and spending to perhaps 20-22%. At the very least, we should return to the Clinton tax rates (FOR EVERYBODY) and then comb back spending to about 21%. Social Security; raise the taxable maximum and use progressive price indexing. Medicare: bundle the payments to providers, raise the payroll tax, enable it to negotiate drug prices, and reform Medigap insurance and increase Medicare Part B premiums.

So should you.

When I see so much massive waste, fraud, abuse and corruption of our tax dollars, the last person I'm going to entrust my charitable donations with is the government.

True, but taxes are, in the names of Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr, the price for a civilized society. Don't like paying taxes?? Go ahead and don't pay them. But don't come crying to the government when you start seeing roads cracking, bridges collapsing, and the economy tanking. We need to fix waste and fraud; but we need to reduce the deficit in a BALANCED MANNER; that means spending cuts, entitlement reform, and raising revenues.

NO ONE, should send another penny, certainly not MORE tax dollars, to our government until it can run itself effectively, efficiently and affordably. Instead of demanding the mean, evil, nasty, rich people pay more into this bottomless pit you should be boycotting the government until it can show true fiscal responsibility.

That includes having the guts to raise taxes on those who need to pay more, which frankly is every taxpayer. We have had it easy for decades; we have enjoyed low rates and high benefits for far too long. Only now have we realized that the prosperity of the past 30 years was merely a facade for the rich taking more in and the rest of us getting poorer. And we ourselves are in part to blame for selling our government and our dignity to those who seek to benefit only themselves. As part of the contrition to pay for this great sin, we must all sacrifice for a better nation; that will mean reduced benefits, higher taxes, and less spending for EVERYONE.

Unfortunately, you won't.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

NOTE: Liberals/Progressives remember to vote on November 7th

OBAMA BIDEN 2012 FOR SANE AMERICANS

Note: All Americans, remember to vote on November 6th. It does not matter who you are or what you believe in, just vote your hearts out on November 6th.

Chris, Dorr, MI

Vote for President Obama because he deserves another term!

What makes you say that ?

He's a lying POS !