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As Ohio has become almost a must-win state for Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney, he has sought to blur distinctions between himself and President Barack Obama on the issue of the 2009 auto bailouts.
A new TV ad playing to erroneous fears that Jeep might move its manufacturing from Ohio to China caps a prolonged effort by Romney to recast his opposition to Obama's actions to prop up an industry that employs one in eight of Ohio's voters.
Romney has sought to reframe his criticism of Obama's handling of the 2009 rescue of General Motors and Chrysler in an effort to combat the president's usage of the bailout to court swing voters in the Buckeye State. The GOP nominee has argued it was Obama who took the companies bankrupt, and has argued that he would be a better president for beleaguered autoworkers.
Mitt Romney campaigns in the critical battleground state of Ohio as a poll shows a dead heat between the governor and President Obama. Watch the entire speech.
And a new television ad airing in Toledo and Youngstown, Ohio, the Romney campaign raises the specter of production of Jeeps moving from the U.S. to China, an assertion which Jeep's Italian parent company has said is blatantly false.
Related: Ohio governor says Romney will carry Buckeye State
The GOP candidate's new tack represents an effort to play offense on the issue of auto bailouts in the final eight days of the campaign. Obama has used Romney's opposition to the 2008-09 rescue to great effect in Ohio and other Midwestern states, where the former Massachusetts governor must perform well if he's to have any hope of being elected president.
"You saw in the debates that Barack Obama said a few things that were, as he said, whoppers," Ohio Sen. Rob Portman said at a Romney rally on Monday in Cleveland. "He turned to Mitt Romney and said, 'You wanted to take those companies through bankruptcy and not provide them any federal aid.' Let me tell you, I supported a rescue package for the autos, but what Barack Obama said was simply not true. And by the way, it was Barack Obama who took GM and Chrysler through bankruptcy."
Ohio Gov. John Kasich tells David Gregory that the job creators deserve the credit for helping raise Ohio's economic growth.
Ohio's Republican governor, John Kasich, also suggested Sunday on "Meet the Press" that the bailout hadn't been as great as Obama might suggest.
"We are thrilled that we have a strong auto industry," he argued, "but it doesn't account for the growth of 112,000 jobs in our state."
But it was the Jeep ad in particular that marked the culmination of an effort by Romney over the past 18 months to reframe the auto debate on friendlier terms.
"Obama took GM and Chrylser into bankruptcy and sold Chrysler to Italians, who are going to build Jeeps in China," the narrator of the ad says as a clip of a disputed Bloomberg News report appears onscreen, saying Chrysler "plans to return Jeep output to China."
The original Bloomberg report became fodder for conservatives, including Romney, who said last week in Ohio that Jeep "is thinking of moving all production to China." But Jeep's ownership has said it isn't planning to move any U.S. production to China; rather, the automaker is establishing new capacity in China to build vehicles that will be sold in China.
But the ad plays to those ill-founded fears. A fair viewing of the ad might leave that impression with a voter, though the language in the ad is so narrowly tailored that it can't be directly disputed.
That could make a difference in a battleground territory like northwest Ohio, the home to a major Jeep plant that employs thousands of Toledoans and almost left the area in the late 1990s until the city stepped forward to offer hundreds of millions in tax credits.
The Obama campaign responded with a TV ad of its own, accusing the GOP nominee of being "wrong then" and "dishonest now."
"It reeks of desperation, because that's what it is," Obama campaign manager Jim Messina said Monday on a conference call.
But the Jeep ad is just one component of Romney's months-long effort to better couch his opposition to the bailout.
FIRST READ: Romney's chances in Ohio tied to softening bailout stance
Romney, whose father was an auto executive before becoming governor of Michigan, penned an op-ed shortly after the 2008 election, infamously titled, "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt." The piece for the New York Times opposed the loans for the companies that then-outgoing President George W. Bush and some Republicans (including Paul Ryan, the Wisconsin congressman who would become Romney's vice presidential nominee) had favored, calling instead for a managed bankruptcy for GM and Chrysler with government support for the companies' warranties and for post-bankruptcy financing offered by private lenders.
Obama eventually embarked upon a different course. His administration negotiated a managed bankruptcy with bondholders, autoworkers' unions and the companies' leadership, while occasionally injecting the companies with capital drawn from the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) in order to stave off a more drastic bankruptcy, and possible liquidation.
Democrats contend that no private financing was available to the auto companies during the bailout, and the government was the only actor equipped to provide the companies with a lifeline while simultaneously negotiating their bankruptcy, from which GM and Chrysler immediately emerged.
The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd reports with the latest.
The bailout was unpopular at the time, derided by Republicans as a favor for unions, since autoworkers' pensions — in conservatives' view — were favored over dealers and other secured bondholders. Indeed, the Indiana State Police Pension Fund sued to prevent the deal from going forward, but it was rejected by the Supreme Court.
RELATED: Auto politics haunt Romney in NW Ohio
GM and Chrysler both rebounded in the months following the bailout to improve sales and profits, allowing the companies to pay off their loans from the government more quickly than expected. Their success has been heralded ever since by Democrats as a gutsy and successful example of Obama's leadership at the height of the Great Recession.
And since that time, Romney has — at alternating moments — both embraced and rejected central elements of Obama's decision making.
The Republican nominee has argued that it was his original idea, rather than Obama's, to put the auto companies through bankruptcy, though Romney's proposed process would have differed immensely. (Romney's plan wouldn't have necessarily forced GM and Chrysler into liquidation, nor was that what the governor had advocated — contrary to the president's suggestion during this month's debate.)
Romney was most pointedly forced to confront his opposition to the bailout during the Michigan and Ohio primaries in late February and early March. The Michigan native repeatedly called himself a "car guy" while campaigning near the Motor City, and appeared driving a Chrysler in a TV ad.
And Romney took to the editorial page of the Detroit News, where he accused Obama of "crony capitalism" in the bailout and said the companies would have been better off without Obama's intervention.
"Instead of doing the right thing and standing up to union bosses, Obama rewarded them," Romney wrote.
FLASHBACK: How much support would Romney have given to automakers?
As with a number of other issues since the primary, Romney, the Republican standard-bearer, has tried to soften the edges of some of his harder-charging rhetoric during the primaries.
"I’m a son of Detroit. I was born in Detroit. My dad was head of a car company. I like American cars. And I would do nothing to hurt the U.S. auto industry. My plan to get the industry on its feet when it was in real trouble was not to start writing checks," Romney said at the third and final debate a week ago against Obama.
The GOP nominee's claim prompted the president to accuse Romney of trying to "airbrush history."
Speaking Monday in Youngstown, Ohio, former President Bill Clinton got in on the action. He said Chrysler "put out a statement sayin' it was the biggest load of bull in the world" in reference of the Jeep-to-China rumors.
"He ties himself in more knots than a Boy Scout does in a knot-tying contest," Clinton said of Romney.
Reuters, Getty Images
In the final push in the 2012 presidential election, candidates Mitt Romney and Barack Obama make their last appeals to voters.
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Notice they are not taking this blatantly false & misleading ad down..?
Team Willard... preying on his stuck on stupid base, one vote at time!
LMAO!
I know I will never look at the pretzel the same way again!
No matter what Mr. BainRomney says:
CHRYSLER-JEEP HAS NO PLANS TO SEND JOBS OVERSEAS.
Chrysler keeps telling everyone they are planning to SELL more jeeps to China. Chrysler keeps repeating they will NOT MOVE JOBS or factories away from the U.S.
CHRYSLER: "Jeep has NO intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China."
CHRYSLER: "U.S. Jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation. A careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments."
Chrysler is planning to build more jeeps in Ohio, creating about 2,000 jobs for Ohio.
Chrysler keeps telling Romney about his "fantasies".
But Romney keeps on with his endless, endless lies.
Jeep ad cements Romney as a complete liar.
Why doesn't the media cover the fact that Romney and his cohorts shipped all Delphi jobs to China in 2009 instead of keeping them here in the U.S. - and pocketed millions of dollars from this deal - which he keeps off-shore so he doesn't have to pay taxes!!!
There is no blurring to it, when it came time for the auto industry bailouts Romney basically said, 'Let them eat cake!' If he had his way there would be many many thousands more out of work now!
Nora,
If Romney had been in charge during the auto break-down - OHIO for example - would be dead in the water today.
1 in 8 jobs in Ohio are auto jobs, thanks to President Obama.
More Ohioans are getting jobs. And Chrysler Jeep is planning on 2,000 more jobs in Ohio.
It is being reported that the Bureau of Labor Statistics has announced that Hurricane Sandy may interfere with Friday's scheduled release of job numbers for October. It may have to wait until Monday, the day before the election.
If the report favors Obama, he suffers from the delay.
If the report is disfavorable to Obama, Romney suffers BY the delay.
Way to go Bill, now Romney will add founding the Boy Scouts to his "I built that list", which apparently includes Jeep/Chrysler.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/michelinemaynard/2012/05/08/mitt-romney-takes-credit-for-the-auto-bailout-say-what/
Updated as of 4:25pm EST on Monday, October 29:
Real Clear Politics (RCP) is consistently cited by both FOXNEWS and NBCNEWS as a current source for
reliable averaged polling data at every level of American politics.
RCP on Thursday returned North Carolina (NC) to the status of "toss-up state," and in so doing, reduced Romney's likely electoral vote tally from 206 to 191. However, Romney still holds an appreciable albeit softening lead of 3.0% in NC and remains the favorite to capture that state in the upcoming election.
In sum, RCP now considers the following eleven states, listed in descending order of electoral votes, as "toss-up": Florida (FL), Pennsylvania (PA), Ohio (OH), Michigan (MI), North Carolina (NC),Virginia (VA), Colorado (CO), Wisconsin (WI), Iowa IO), Nevada (NV) and New Hampshire (NH).
With only 176 hours left in the 2012 presidential campaign, Obama leads in seven of the toss-ups, Romney leads in two, and in CO and VA as of Saturday the candidates are now tied.
In descending order of 'percentage of lead' in favor of Obama, followed in ascending order of 'percentage of lead' in favor of Romney, here are the published averaged numbers from RCP as of 4:25pm EST today together with the FiveThirtyEight election night probability of victory for either candidate:
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In PA, with 20 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 4.7%.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 94.8% chance of winning PA, up from yesterday's 94.4%.
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In MI, with 16 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 4.0%.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 98.3% chance of winning MI, up from Saturday's 98.2%.
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In NV, with 6 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 2.4%.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama an 80.5% chance of winning NV, up from yesterday's 80.1%.
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In WI, with 10 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 2.3%.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama an 86.8% chance of winning WI, up from yesterday's 86.3%.
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In IO, with 6 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 2.3%.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 72.7% chance of winning IO, up from yesterday's 72.3%.
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In NH, with 4 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 2.0%.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 71.5% chance of winning NH, up from yesterday's 70.5%.
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In OH, with 18 electoral votes, Obama's lead has fallen to 1.9%, down from 2.1% yesterday.
Interestingly, FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 74.9% chance of winning OH, up from yesterday's 73.5%.
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In VA, with 13 electoral votes, the race remains tied.
However, FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 59.9% chance of winning VA, up from yesterday's 59.8%.
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In CO, with 9 electoral votes, the race remains tied.
However, FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 58.2% chance of winning CO, up from yesterday's 57.7%.
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In FL, with 29 electoral votes, Romney's lead has fallen to 1.4%, down from 1.5% yesterday.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Romney a 62.5% chance of winning FL, down from yesterday's 63.8%.
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In NC, with 15 electoral votes, Romney's lead has fallen to 3.0%, down significantly from yesterday's 3.8%.
FiveThirtyEight continues to give Romney an 82.5% chance of winning NC.
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So…
For Obama to win re-election, the easiest route still appears to be through maintaining his current lead in the four toss-up states in which his existing margins are widest, PA, MI, NV, and WI, together with OH where his lead has been hovering at a vulnerable 2.0% for the past few days. Doing so would bring his electoral vote total on Election Day to 271. In this scenario, Obama could still surpass 270 while failing to hold either IO or NH.
However, should Obama fail to hold OH, the loss could effectively be neutralized by any of the following combination of wins from states where FiveThirtyEight is currently predicting Obama victories:
Path #1: Obama loses OH but wins IO, NH, and CO resulting in 272 electoral votes.
Path #2: Obama loses OH but wins IO and VA resulting in 272 electoral votes.
Path #3: Obama loses OH but wins CO and VA resulting in 275 electoral votes.
However, regarding Path #1, there is some question as to the accuracy of the RCP polling numbers in NH which still include in their average a recent 'outlier' finding from UNH which had Obama leading by a questionable 9.0%.
For Romney to unseat Obama, he not only would have to hold the two states in which he presently leads, FL and NC, although his leads in these two states have been falling for days, bringing his electoral vote total to 235, but also steal victories in CO where his lead fell from 0.4% on Friday to that of dead heat, in VA where his lead fell from 1.0% Saturday to another dead heat, and finally with OH where Obama's lead fell this morning to 1.9%. By so doing, Romney's electoral vote total would reach 275.
Should Romney take CO and VA but fail to take OH, he could overcome this shortfall by stealing WI and either IO or NH, resulting respectively in an electoral vote total of 273 or 271.
With only 176 hours of campaigning left, this one may come down to the wire…. and to the October jobs report.
Let's hope that Election Day is free of both voter fraud and voter intimidation and that eligible voters who have registered in good faith over the past six months are in fact able to vote on November 6; let's also hope that vote tabulation itself is performed honestly and accurately by both the election commissions and private corporations to whom this essential role is being entrusted.
In any case, it will be interesting to watch as election night unfolds.
A Mittzel !!
Will the real Mittzel Romnesia please step forward!!
Chinese Proverb: Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.
Obama White House Revision: Give a man a welfare check, a free cell phone with unlimited free minutes, cash for his clunker, food stamps, section 8 housing, free contraceptives, Medicaid, ninety-nine weeks of unemployment, free meds, and he will vote for Democrats the rest of his life; even after he's deceased.
ROMNEY / RYAN
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I think by now everyone in Ohio knows what Romney wanted to do and what Obama did do. Enough said. Romney is toast in Ohio.
Oh boy Mitt you are starting to smell a bit like -------( you all can fill in the blank) just make it rhyme
If the October job numbers are delayed because of the hurricane, how long before the conspiracy theorists start accusing the White House of causing the hurricane?
On Florida voting:
GOP Governor Rick Scott basically CRIMINALIZED Voter Registration. He tried to cut early voting down to nothing, and refused to take NO from any law in the land.
The level of corruption from the right wing, on their relentless suppression of voting rights, in the 2012 election, will go down in the history books for posterity. We will make sure it does.
America as the model for democracy & voting rights - under an even more extreme GOP party?
Hey Feisty,
Do you mean in the same way as your Liar in Chief goes around the country and misleads the people about the auto bailout?
Or better said, the way he LIES about pretty much everything?
Just what ARE you going to do when Obama loses?...He's down 2 points now in Ohio and it's just gonna get worse!!!!
ROMNEY / RYAN 2012
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MSNBC/NBC is lying to you. Chrysler is trying to build a Jeep factory in china. And Chrysler is owned by Fiat.
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Im surprised 0bama hasn't been injured from this furious leg humping MSNBC/NBC is giving him.
Romney: "I will change my first name to Barack if it gets you to vote for me!" :)
Would you pass the Grey Poupon? ;o)
Yet again, all Obama can do is attack Romney, because Obama has no prior successes to ignite his re-election or actual economic plan to re-swoon is 2008 believers.
Romney/Ryan for the USofA
Mr. Fiat,
Time for you to start:
A DELUSIONALLY CHALLENGED PARTY, WITH BAINROMNEY-RYAN.
Okay it doesn't get much sicker than this. According to a Mass newspaper:
A MA man who admitted to raping a 14-year-old now wants the right to be involved with the child born after the crime.
Jamie Melendez filed a petition for visitation rights after the judge hearing his criminal case remanded him to Family Court, which ordered him to pay child support. Melendez claims that would be unjust if he were denied visitation.
The victim’s attorney is now trying to get that judge to reverse this insensitive decision and instead rule that Melendez pay criminal restitution fees to cover child support. She also wants the MA Supreme Court to decide whether a Criminal Court judge can “create a Family Court case out of rape.
This is disgusting and just another way the Republican party wants to "control" women!
Obama/Biden 2012
Give me a break FR! This is tantamount to a story every second. I type with 2 figures and one of them is in a metaphorical cast
Romney said that if he was a President, FEMA WOULD NOT EXIST!!!! It would be "left to the States"to help the affected people. What about the States that have zero money for that? Oh! I get it! They are going to cut EDUCATION FUNDS AGAIN!!!!!
He wants to take the country BACKWARD!!!! They want to take the country to the point where the country was tuled by mobsters like him!!!!
They are not even waiting, some are already flogging the deceased equine!
Monday, October 29, 2012
The race for Ohio’s Electoral College votes remains very close, but now Mitt Romney now has a two-point advantage.
Among all Ohio voters, Romney now has a 12-point lead over the president in voter trust – 53% to 41% - when it comes to the economy. Last week, he had just a seven-point advantage among voters in the state when they were asked which candidate they trusted more to deal with the economy.
Romney’s also trusted more by eight points in the areas of job creation and energy policy but leads Obama by just two when it comes to housing issues.
National security has been an area where the president has typically had an advantage over Romney this year. But, the Republican challenger now has a 52% to 42% advantage on the issue.
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And your nose just grew some more right now!!!! The President just released the new Jeep in China
http://www.toledoblade.com/Politics/2012/10/29/Obama-campaign-releases-its-own-Jeep-to-China-ad.html
YOU ARE ALWAYS LYING!!!!!
hey Backhouse,
The Jeep brand is a division of Chrysler, who is owned by Fiat. If the plant is moving to China, shouldn't you be ourtaged at Fiat, and not Romney?
How has Romney made the decision to move?
You distort the truth more than Bev or Feisty and attempt to create a sense of anti-romney with your mis-statements.
Get it right for a change boy.
........and the autio industry has been SO honest with their own unions, and with the American people these last 20 or so years, haven't they?
NOT!!!!!
You just don't get it, do you?
If Chrysler intends to sell more Jeeps in China, that means they will sell LESS here in the US, and they will have to hire people overseas to handle the reception of the vehicles on the other side of the water, and hire people to sell & service them.
They can say they aren't sending jobs offshore all they want.
But, any time a company decides to move any portion of its sales offshore, a good number of domestic jobs go along with it.
Maybe they aren't moving production jobs over there, now.
But, eventually they WILL build a factory over there, and when production becomes cheaper overseas, they WILL move even more jobs to china.
The REAL LIAR in this election is Barrack Obama who allowed 4 diplomats to die for no reason, when they could have been spared if he'd simply given in to their request for more security at our consulate in Banghazi.
Then, as if that wasn't bad enough, he decided to tell us that their deaths were over a video.
THEN, on top of those two WHOPPERS he LIED AGAIN at the second debate when he said he called the attack "AN act of terrorism" the day after it happened.
Obama's told so many LIES about what happened in Benghazi, he doesn't even know what the truth is anymore.
Can we REALLY afford four more years of this, in the White House?
What if that was your Mother or Father, or your Daughter or Son who died in that embassy?
We need LEADERSHIP, and we're just not getting it now, folks.
DEMOCRATS FOR ROMNEY 2012!!!!!!!!!!
TO: Ticked off in Ohio who wrote:
President Obama didn't lie about the auto bailout, Romney did and everybody knows it. I heard with my own ears at the time when Romney was asked what he thought about the auto industry going bankrupt, and I heard Romney say "Let them".
We know why Romney's lying, because he was thinking with his "Bain Capital" mind about stealing all those employee retirement penions and salivating from the mouth at getting his greedy hands on other people's money.
Romney is a lying phoney baloney, and just like George "Curveball" Bush refuses to admit that he made a mistake. Next Romney will be denying that he's "responsible" for anything.
Obama/Biden 2012
The Republican governor of Ohio said this morning on Fox News that the auto bailout was responsible for only 400 of the 112,000 jobs he created in Ohio. Talk about denial.
Eliot, I am going to type very slowly, so try to keep up.
Chrysler is thinking about opening a factory in China.
They are thinking of building cars in China to sell in China.
This is not the same as moving production to China.
Chrysler has no plans to close plants here.
In fact, they are adding workers in the US.
Chrysler released a statement to correct Mitt's lie.
You must not have gotten the memo.
I think W would have choked on this one too!
According to whom?
As of Friday, Obama was leading at least 2 points in every poll for Ohio. What is your source?
More people have already voted to re-elect President Obama than have voted for Romney:
Nope, they are planning on selling "in" China - not "to" China ... Jeeps made by Chinese workers in Chinese plants in China - just like GM.
Didn't GM have about 100,000 American workers before the bankruptcy, and about 70,000 after Obama "saved" them?
Funny ... China now has about 30,000 (and growing) Chinese workers building GM cars in China today.
Gosh ... you guys are so easy to fool.
I-RESPOND:
Thanks. That's what I've been saying today.
RomneyLand IS LYING CONTINUOUSLY because of Romney. Folks have been talking for a while that he has a mental problem, and is unable to discern truth from lies.
There are not uncommon conditions that fit this description.
GBM was saying earlier today that Romney was chucked out of Stanford for "having a problem".
Tweet TheObamaDiary: Great News!
Obama leads by a massive 18 points among early #NC voters, 1.5 million of which have already cast ballots, according to George Wash U.
While I agree with thos statement, I don't believe Romney said it. Give a link to the video.
Time to rid the states of these public unions.
The Gods Must Be Crazy .. one can only hope seeing that I am a child of one of them.
Princeton stands firm ... perhaps leaning into the wind of the current Muse of Ro-Mentum
Obama maintains his lead by 72 EC votes
Hey American Girl,
Did you BOTHER to read Romneys article on the bailout? I know you didn't so why dont you do us all a favor and just please read it.
You will read that he supported a structured bankruptcy with government guarantees.
You lefties always show your hyprocrisy when trying to defend the President. You all jump on the band wagon and say it's okay that Jeep may open a plant in China to produce cars sold in China as long as the jeep plants in Ohio keep operating. Yet, you support the President and his administrations suit against Boeing for trying to open a new non-union production line in South Carolina even thought he current production line in Washington will still be running.
So... according to Obama and you lefties, it's okay to open a plant overseas but if you do it within the US, you better do it in a way that benefits the unions.
zman,
Building and selling Jeeps in China won't lessen demand for them here. Does the fact that Toyota builds and sells cars here lessen the demand for them in Japan? America generally doesn't export cars. How many car carriers have you seen leaving our shores with American cars bound for export?
I just performed a google search for... fox news jeep moving china ..... Not one story from Fox News on the first 5 pages. There was one page from foxradio. Do any of you individuals coming here to post your lies ever read the stories here or at other news outlets and wonder why there is not any mention of your beliefs. Do your ever wonder why Fox News will not let you comment on their site. I understand why the paid trolls are here, but the rest of you are just pathetic.
Backhouse, you do BS up a storm on this site.
No, let me correct myself, you and Obama have one thing in common: you two are pathetic liars.
When the going get tough, the lying is rampant. What was it Obama said in '08, something to the effect that when you can't articulate your record, you resort to lying?
Obama has done an excellent job of that.
Now would you like to comment on how Obama gave up four lives to protect his interest and image? I've been told you are a veteran. How do you feel about leaving people behind?
Michael Obrien (MSNBC) looks as though you quite didn't do your job again....oops.
Seems Chrysler/Fiat may have other plans after all.
BS?? Oh...you mean that commerical from Barry saying that he created 5.2mm jobs that FactCheck ripped to shreds? You mean like that one??
Here from the Republican debates:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OhXyJeKaj8E
He called it immoral. And he spoke of what to keep and not. FEMA was in the NOT category. I call Mitt immoral.
It makes me sick that someone who is so mendacious and unscrupulous can just buy our presidency and have so much control over all of our lives. I predict that the collapse of the American system is imminent no matter who is elected, and I would rather have someone who is honorable and a statesman in charge when we sail over the cliff.
That is the problem. We used to make products and export them to other countries. Now, we give jobs to the people in those countries to make their own. Why not increase capacity at home (oh that would mean jobs) and export? I know they would cost more and sales wouldn't be what they will if made there. I remember the hissy fit everyone had when Toyota and Honda exported to the US in the mid 70's. We exported our stuff and imported theirs. Now it seems as though everyone is so "greedy" as you libs put it, that they want to build it at point of sale. So business wise it is a good move. Country wise it stinks. They want our stuff, we make it here and you are more than welcome to buy it.
The only reason GM regained #1 is the fact that they have factories and sales in China. Otherwise, Toyota would still be numero uno. Unless of course we would have increased capacity here and provided AMERICAN jobs and AMERICAN products to the world. This one world order crap is getting old.
Ticked of in Ohio - We all read it. We also took the time to find out there was no financing from anywhere to guarantee. The Obama Administration tried to find it. No one, not even Bain Capital wanted anything to do with it. This meant that after they entered bankruptcy, they would have never come out of it and the auto industry in this country would have been finished. It is well documented if you care to find out the facts.
FROM JUNE LAST YEAR, DURING THE TORNADOS & FLOODS:
"Asked about federal disaster relief for recent tornado and flood victims at last night's GOP debate, candidate Mitt Romney called the spending "immoral" and said the Federal Emergency Management Agency should be privatized..."
"Embracing a radical anti-government ideology from the most extreme elements of the Tea Party, Romney said that the victims in Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, Massachusetts, and other communities hit by tornadoes and flooding should not receive governmental assistance.
Play that video back from here to New York the next few days to remind voters how Mitt would protect them as president.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OhXyJeKaj8E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OhXyJeKaj8E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OhXyJeKaj8E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OhXyJeKaj8E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OhXyJeKaj8E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OhXyJeKaj8E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OhXyJeKaj8E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OhXyJeKaj8E
Romney and his band of serial liars must sit up every night thinking up new lies to trick low information voters into voting for his lying butt.
If you take a few minutes and listen closely to what Romney is REALLY saying, it's easy to see that he represents everything that is wrong with America.
That's what their boy Eric Cantor of Virginia said last year about Federal aid. The entire 37 square mile island of Chincoteague VA is currently under water with 3500 people on the island and the only access to the island closed. I wonder if Eric is going to change his mind on Tuesday.
Romney: It's Immoral for the government to help pay for natural disasters here at home.
Romeny: I would not only resend the Two Trillions cuts in Defense, I would add another Two Trillion to fight more wars.
God, if that's his form of morality you may as well put a bullet in my brain now 'cause I am already screwed if Mitt gets elected.
Seems as if Romney's always trying to reframe something. Who wants a guy that can't take a stance and stick with it?
According to the piece, "To counter the severe slump in European sales, (Fiat CEO Sergio) Marchionne is considering building Chrysler models in Italy, including Jeeps, for export to North America. The Italian government is evaluating tax rebates on export goods to help Fiat. Marchionne may announce details of his plan as soon as Oct. 30, the people said."
dated today.
ciao
Setting the Record Straight
From the article above:
You mean the Governor LIED AGAIN?
More good news…
Courtesy of lifeinc.today.com
October surprise: Americans feeling better about economy
Yes, the poll was conducted by the Tea Party’s favorite polling organization, Gallup.
God Bless, and stay safe tonight.
Salud
If you have 15 minutes you sould watch this MSNBC video analyzing Romneys blatant lies that questions his integrity and trust...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZFv1S-1vt1E
bo -- sadly it would take days to do the same analysis on obama.
do you really believe obama and biden do not lie?
billybob - I guess you missed this part of the article.
This condition is call Pathological Liars, I wonder if this is the condition that Ann Romney was concerned about,when she mentioned her concern for his mental health?? Probably so!!
Billybob - the libs will look right past your comment as it points to the fact that Fiat is indeed going to produce on another continent to export back to us. Why not expand in the US if you have to import them? Makes no sense whatsoever. Of course, they can still point the finger at Romney because it isn't China. Fools.
O'Brien:
No, not necessarily, just almost certainly. Why must you make this a Democrat versus Republican thing? No serious economist has backed Romney's proposal for the private sector to handle the bailout when the financial markets were in a panic. Not even Bain Capital was willing to float any loans at the time. You wouldn't know it from O'Brien's article, here, but the consensus of economists who've spoken on the issue is that the US auto industry would have faced liquidation if Romney's advice had been followed.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
They are not even waiting, some are already flogging the deceased equine!
GF, the dim witts over @ the DRUDGE REPORT THE ECHO CHAMBER FOR THE GOP/TEA BAGGER HEADQUARTERS
FOX NEWSRADIO RWANDA have already started.Obama Campaign Fears Impact Of Hurricane Sandy." The Drudge Report depicted President Obama flying back to Washington, DC to oversee the federal response to Hurricane Sandy with a photo of Obama posing in front of a Superman statue:
http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/drudge-20121029-drudgesandysuperman.png
4 more 4 44
Obama/Biden 2012
This is the guy who wants to be our president.
Mitt Romney was the 70th governor to serve Massachusetts, but was an absentee governor during the four
years from 2003-2007. Mitt Romney was absent for 417 days to be exact, a little over a year that Romney was absent from the job he was elected to do on November 5, 2002.
Mitt Romney loves to tell interviewers and audiences what a great tenure he had as Governor of Massachusetts. The narrative he presents is of an engaged governor who constantly met with the
legislative branch. Romney loves to add that he met with the leaders of both parties.
According to a New York Times analysis, Governor Mitt Romney was often missing in action, taking trips to places like Utah. In fact, when President George W. Bush announced that the nation was at high risk of a terror attack in December 2003, Mitt Romney was not in his home state of Massachusetts, but at his Utah retreat.
During much of the time Romneycare was being debated and negotiated in the Massachusetts legislature, Mitt Romney was out of town and presumably, unengaged.
According to the New York Times analysis, more than 70% of that time away was for political or personal reasons. While some of it was lengthy vacations and weekend getaways, toward the end of his term Romney spent much time laying the foundation for his failed 2008 campaign for President. In October 2006 alone, Romney was gone for 25 days.
The people of Massachusetts got the sense from Mitt Romney that he was more interested in attaining the governor’s post than in doing the job.
This leads to the most obvious question in this campaign to date.
Is Mitt Romney more interested in attaining the job of President of the United States, or actually doing the
job?
http://www.examiner.com/article/mitt-romney-was-absent-more-than-year-or-417-days-as-governor-of-massachusetts
being called a liar from the group that boo'ed GOD at their national convention... creepy!
If I was Chrysler I would sue Romney for his "Jeep Lie" for false misrepresentation, this loser slick Mitt is an out right Liar !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From The Detroit News:
Chrysler issued a statement early Thursday flatly denying it has any plans to move Jeep output to China from the United States.
"Let's set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China. It's simply reviewing the opportunities to return Jeep output to China for the world's largest auto market. U.S. Jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation," said Chrysler spokesman Gualberto Ranieri.
I love how the Selfish-Right posters always respond to another Rmoney lie with , "ya, but Obama is worse". This is another pathetic lie surrounded by more etch-a-sketching. And why is it taboo for main-stream media to cover this? It is documented in cold, hard facts that he is lying and Chrysler is calling him out. The media needs to stand up to faux news and the right-wingers who have been brained washed into thinking that all media cannot be trusted except for their propoganda machine. The media is becoming what the right wants them to become...a non-factor so only their message is heard. What wimps.
Face it, everyone on the right has made up their minds. They follow the selfish policies of the oligarchy that is forming in this country. Selfish policies like - Global warming is a sham though 98 pct of all scientist agree - lower taxes while our schools, social services, infrastructure, and police and firefighters become useless - health care is being force on everyone (the poor should die anyway) - environmental "drill baby drill" so I can pay a little less at the pump while our government parks are destroyed and future reserves are depleted to nothing. ALL SELFISH POLICIES. THEY ARE THE SELFISH-RIGHT and they must start begin to own that moniker.
Beverly, it just now occurred to me that these two men running in this campaign are from Illinois and MA, yours and my home states. I guess it never occurred to me because I don't really consider Mitt from MA.
He just used us as a stepping stone. Just like he did the state of N.H.
Even republicans here in MA say as much.
From The Toledo Blade-
"Chrysler Group LLC plans to invest at least $365 million to expand and improve its Toledo Assembly Complex, adding a second shift with 1,105 jobs to the plant that currently builds the Jeep Liberty and Dodge Nitro SUVs, has learned.
Analysts believe the investment could be the first of a number of expansions — and additional jobs — at the site in future years as the automaker ramps up production to meet global demand for up to seven different current and future vehicles, including the iconic Jeep Wrangler. While Chrysler’s current plans only list a second shift, a third shift at the Toledo North Plant could come if additional demand develops for new products, but that could be several years away."
Ticked off in Ohio
What an idiot. Obama did not invent Welfare, the cell phone plan, food stamps, section 8 housing, Medicaid, or free meds (whatever the f@#k that means)... nor did Obama put these people on life support... your lying a$$ party did that to us.
You know where you can stick your fish, don't you?
Romney is the biggest farce this country has ever had running for president. His lying tactics make swift-boating seem reasonable. If pure lies wins an election we can only guess why that is so...
Hole,
So please explain WHY Barry has designed his whole campaign around negative attack ads? You wonder why people say "ya, Obama is worse..."?? That's easy...it's for a single simple reason... HE IS!! Obama stood there four years ago and made a bunch of promises, and yet here are four years later, and his promises are broken. The question that the average person is asking themselves is do I want to vote for someone that has a dismal track record over the last four years to be in office for the next four years?? THAT is why Romney is neck and neck with Obama and will win come Nov. 6th...
Let me sum up this article:
Romney ad gets traction is Ohio. NBC news panicked, because their messiah might lose the election. NBC news employs all available efforts to discredit ad.
As Romney's chances of re-election grows, I can see the articles on this site becoming more and more biased.
So instead of building jeeps here and selling them to China they are simply building them there. That does nothing to help our trade deficit. Of course it is much less expensive to build them over there because wages are only a fraction of what they are here. I can only imagine that soon they will find it is much more profitable to sell Chinese made jeeps here and go ahead and close down our domestic production. China does not have a national minimum wage. Provincial minimum wages in China are about $200 per month.
Nope, but I am sure you being one of the Mormon Tabernacle Liar's supporters I am sure you'll think that. :)
I am quite sure the fine people in the Automotive and related industries in Ohio know well Romney's position. They don't appreciate being lied to either.
Many Republicans ridicule Obama for having once been a community organizer. They themselves are community dis organizers, spreading coded racism and religious hysteria to prevent neighborhoods from uniting.
Through the wanderings on the internet today, and last night, I did cross several articles about that showed that Chrysler was going to re-open the Jeep plant in China and "consider their options" in the future. It is true that there are at least no immediate plans to send jobs overseas, but, if you think about it, anything China is manufacturing of our products is products that we don't manufacturer over here and export.
Chrysler might not have any plans, but Fiat calls the shots in the end.
Fiat also bought New Holland. Kept the US engineering, but outsourced major parts, and in the past few years has switched manufacturers every few years for certain models.
Coded racism?? How about we are tired of being called racist simply because criticize a person that hasn't done the job we elected him to do?? It's the left's hysteria that if you criticize Obama then you are automatically called a racist. It's also their excuse for defending someone with a dismal record. Pretty messed up thinking...
Feisty - Didn't W choke on a pretzel back in the "Simple" days?
JK1963 - What did you elect the current congress to do?
LmarcT @ 1.73: You called ticked off in Ohio an idiot. Look at this excerpt from a college term paper.
The party often lost votes because of its hostility to unions, strikes, and the civil service reform. In the mid-0th century, the Democratic Party began to change its image. In the 10s through the 140s, the party became a party which favored government intervention in the economy, social policies, regulation and redistribution of the wealth to benefits those who were less fortunate, and etc.
During the Great Depression, the democratic leadership allowed the government to expand its role in social welfare and economic regulation. During this period the democrats opened to polls to several new groups, such as blacks, who had been Republican for generations. It was this during this period that the Democratic Party controlled Congress in all but four of the 48 years between 1-181. As the party solidified its support among blacks, it lost southern whites and northern labor and ethnic voters. In 176, Jimmy Carter brought the south back into the Democratic “camp” for the first time since 144. The social values and the changing economic policies caused many southerners to shifted away from the Democratic Party.
You know what, here's the whole thing, and it proves you wrong and proves Obama is H-bent on continuing the same-O same-O. Read it twice if you have to. No professor would have allowed this to go if the facts didn't bear out.
http://collegetermpapers.blogspot.com/2012/06/which-political-part-is-responsible-for.html
Fox News is accusing Obama of causing the deaths of Americans by ordering up a hurricane.
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@ mj899
Oh boy Mitt you are starting to smell a bit like -------( you all can fill in the blank) just make it rhyme.
I'll say it for you. Mitt, you're full of @!$%#t.
All those Republicans that will keep up your Libya Attack on OBAMA being a liar What are you going to do when Romney lies all the time? Just turn your back and say nothing you guys take the CAKE!
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Mutts desperation is showing through. I can't help wondering why ,if he's cruising along in front and poised to win, as his head liars suggest, he is willing to go forth with such incredibly transparent and provable lies. The man is twin brother to Satan. " A liar and the father of the lie." I wonder how his dad feels about a piece of trash that will sell his soul just to achieve power. Bye bye, Mittster...8 more days. Better luck in lala land as a god on your planet far,far away. You and Tom Cruise can be gods out there. I could almost feel sorry for the scummy ba$tard if he weren't willing to so friviously destroy the lives of so many other people for the sake of his ego. Time for a haircut, prettyboy...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-21/fiat-says-china-may-build-all-jeep-models-as-suv-demand-climbs.html
Wow. I think Romney/Ryan finally pushed it too far with this whopper.
The GOP that I used to know would never let their candidate stoop to such bold-faced, blatant dishonesty.
But then again, the GOP that I used to know, no longer exists.
One word at the beginning I used for Romney was specious now after this attempt to mislead the public I will deem him "Captain Specious".
Do not be fooled Ohio. He is lying right to your face for votes.
Bet that editor is kicking himself in the butt now.lol
ir12,
We elected them to keep Obama's massive spending spree in check as much as we are able. It's difficult with Senators like Reid and Pelosi on the other side of the house that don't seem to reign in spending. We elected Obama back in 2008 to "save" us, but clearly he has made things worse. Clearly he has shown that he can fool the left most of the time but certainly he doesn't fool the right with the slick speeches.
Read up on Nixon. You'd be surprised just how low they have gone in the past. This is reminiscent. Even down to trying dirty tricks on voters. Nixon may have been worse, but these guys are every bit as dishonest.
Jeff,
The left really should keep Obama and Biden in check if they want to save any last shred of integrity. These two individuals have designed their whole campaign to be against Romney. They have made commercials that have lies in them, they have made campaign stops where their speeches are full of lies. So...at the end of the day please just acknowledge that the Democratic candidate is every bit of a liar as the Republican's candidate.
Actually, at the end of the day... President Obama will most likely win by around 100 electoral votes. Not a crushing defeat as John, but not as close as some of the Republicans has hoped and definitely denied by the Tea Party members who will most likely demand a recount in all states (and threaten to break from the Union.)
LOL.. The real questions are going to be the tight races on the local level. Will the local inititives/ground swell convince the remaining Republican members to come back to the table and actually work for a solution? Will the Tea Party members have the gull to remain to their guns and hold out for their way or the highway?
My guess is that there will finally be compromise as the GOP members' meal tickets are threatened and their campaign cauffers dry up (because they lack the re-election viablities come into question)...
Finally, work will be done... This time President Obama will no longer have anything to loose! Just Remember, the BEST that GOP can bring to the game was a governor who left his governing state ranking 47/48 when economy was near it peak! We are talking about a state with a metropolis...
let me repeat, this is the best that GOP can bring to the table...
turd,
Everywhere I turn I see desperation from the left... Not once have you seen an Obama ad running on his record. Only negative ads. So what does that say about Obama? Has he accomplished his promises that he made in 2008? The answer is quite clearly no... So why on earth would you want to risk yet another four years with a proven incapable leader?? If that is your best that the Democrats can come up with, the party of the left has definitely already lost this election!
JK1963
Clearly you were lost back in 07,08 we had a depression, furthermore you Republicans always cry that your leader the "W" only in office for 9 months before Sept 11. Saying that its Clintons fault.
So would this mean that Obama did not take over until Sept 11 2009 meaning that he has been in postive numbers and that the unemployment number would have been 5% unemployment clearly with what he had to deal with 6 Million unemployed when he took office on Sept 11th 2009
Elliot "Yes, Fiat is considering adding Jeep production sites in China — but not shifting all of them out of the U.S."
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/so-whats-the-deal-with-that-romney-jeep-ad-that-has-the-left-so-annoyed/
Don't you know how to read?
The facts are simple.
Chrysler is opening manufacturing in China to make cars FOR China while moving forward with Jeep expansion plans in the U.S.A.
But regardless of what they are deciding today, which is out of Obama's hands anyway, Chrysler would not be here today if Obama hadn't made the bold move to finance the GM and Chrysler bankruptcies.
Mitt supported a managed bankruptcy for the auto industry. He supported government guarantees. He DID NOT support direct government financing, which is all that was left to save the industry. Without that government financing, GM and Chrysler may well have been liquidated.
But Romney knows how he's twisting the facts to make it "sound" negative for Obama and somehow positive for Romney... it's called lying... misleading at best... dishonest for sure.
Here. Good info.
Now again, if you can prove his lie by all means try. :)
Obama must have been surprised when Wrongme came out and said Obama sold Jeep to the Italians, since he didn't own Jeep in the first place.
The RWNJs seem to have developed an allergy to the truth. This one is pretty bad.
I might have to start calling them RWMJs. Right Wing Mitt Jobs. Wrongme's campaign, along with the two top candidates, are full of Mitt!
ZMan2012,
You are no longer a Democrat when you vote against the POTUS!
That's like saying... Americans for AL-Qaeda - once you are for the other team - you are that TEAM
That's like post statement statements... put out stupid, realize it's stupid, then either repeat with vigor or flip and say you didn't.
Romney is such a clown all of us should be able to see right through... this is only close due to the unbridled hate campaign waged for 4 years against this administration and this country. A few minutes away from FOXnews is the only cure.
wow just think in 8 days the ugly fatmouth ginger will be looking for a real job. i hear dairy queen is hiring.
ZMan2012 was never a Democrat; however, he is a proven liar. Case in point. :)
All anyone, auto industry worker or not, has to do is look at republicans position on labor unions to understand where Romney stands on american jobs. He favored bankruptcy for the auto makers so they would be able to break their union contracts and cut employee pay and benefits. It's that simple.
Doesn't get any better than this. That lying, womanizing, cheating scumbag, accused rapist Bill Clinton accusing someone of not telling the truth?
Romney/Ryan 2012
1/20/2013 - the end of an error
The GOP plan to destroy the public school system by No Child Left Behind, vouchers, etc. is a blatent effort to dumb down our students. This is the only way the GOP can insure they would have future supporters ... only the uneducated, ignorant or uninformed would vote for Romney or anyone in the Repub party at this point.
The GOP fat-cats hate what America stands for ... they love ONLY wealth and power. They despise the working class while making their fortunes on our backs. The lies touted by Romney are bullets pointed at the heads of middle class Americans.
Obama / Biden 2012
Romney would have taken Chrysler and GM through bankruptcy so they could do away with the pension funds, more than likely raid them.
Romney is a loser and there is nothing that he can do or say to change that.
The GOP Plan
They will guarantee jobs coming back to America from China if we reduce our workforce to 3rd world caliber worker environments.
Low wages, no benefits, 60 hour work weeks, unsafe working conditions, dirty polluted air and water.
This is the work environment that the GOP wants. They want to go back to the days of the 1920's where you work for an employer and you live in their rat infested housing, you buy from the company store, and you end up owing them when you have finished working your azz off for them.
And then they follow with, "We're NOT racist!" I call bull---t.
Obama/Biden and a blue, blue Congress: for peoples'-- not corporate--rights
These guys are both parts of the same piece of @!$%# floating in the punchbowl. But keep drinking and talking about how great it tastes. In a few more years, regardless of who wins this campaign of lies from both sides, you'll all be wishing you could have another chance at Ron Paul.
If Romney will tell these fear-mongering lies NOW, just imagine what would happen if he actually got elected by the people of this country.
PLEASE people, vote for the guy that actually has your back and is smart enough to move us FORWARD. We do not need to suffer another economic collapse at the hands of the GOP.
Hey, Ticked off in Ohio
Now this isn't hard, all you have to do is, bing= snoops, did obama give out cell phones.
And the answer is NO. That program started way back under Ronald Reagan and continued forward.
Don't the right just hate snoops and factcheck?
I have never seen anyone like Mitt change positons on every issue. I was watching an interview on you tube with Mitt and what he thinks the middle class wage is. He thinks it is somewhere around two hundred- two fifty thousand dollars. So as a middle class person, I think I need a big raise.
Romney/Ryan=Lies Lies-Lies-Lies-Lies-Lies- Please support Obama/Biden 2012
Oops, Caught again, now he will need to pull yet another Flip Flop, Like I said this guy lie 85% of the time, he shames his faith, mistakes are possible but really nearly 8 of 10 is not mistakes ...
I have to correct my earlier belief that President Obama will be relected by the margin of approximately 100 electoral votes. I now believe the winning margin should be around 70, because Florida is too close to call. Given the margin of error, it should error on the side of conservative. Hence the estimation should be around 70....
No, it is not a 191 spread, but the race is still not close...
Boy, some of you out there, either don't pay attention, or you see/hear only what you wish to see/hear.To set the record straight, there is ALREADY a Jeep plant in China, Chrysler closed it right before the bottom fell out in '07, they are now planing on RE-OPENING it, they are NOT opening a NEW PLANT IN CHINA!!! And ALL of the jobs that were here, will REMAIN HERE! In fact Chrysler is planning on adding at least 12,000 NEW JOBS, right here in the good old U.S of A.! Romney needs to get his facts straight, before he goes off half cocked, but then FACTS have NEVER meant a THING TO HIM. Or for that matter, to his supporters.
No matter what Romney says:
CHRYSLER-JEEP HAS NO PLANS TO SEND JOBS OVERSEAS.
Chrysler keeps telling everyone they are planning to SELL more jeeps to China, NOT move jobs or factories to China/overseas.
Chrysler is planning to build more jeeps in Ohio, creating about 2,000 jobs for Ohio.
Chrysler keeps telling Romney about his "fantasies". But Romney keeps on with his lies.
Mitt has never been concerned about the truth before. Why would he start now?
No matter what Obama-Shama-Lama-Ding-Dongs tell you....if Chrysler starts selling Jeeps in China, they HAVE-to have people there to receive the vehicles on the other side of the water, and people to sell & service them over there as well.
That means they WILL be sending jobs to China, no matter how you slice it.
Now, tell us WHY Obama denied extra security to our diplomats in Libya, and tell us why he LIED about the Benghazi attack for two full weeks after it happened?
There is a difference between sending existing US jobs to China and creating additional jobs in China. Are you saying you can't see that distinction?
zman way to jump around topics. from job outsourcing to embassy security.
Obama/Biden 2012!!
@Backhouse....checkout the following...oops!
http: nlpc.org/cached/fiat-says chrysler-jeep-production-may move-italy.html?q=stories/2012/10/29/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy
To anyone that has been reading the lies and other trash that "Ticked off in Ohio" has been writing; just remember that he or she is paid Carl Rove troll.
He has a plenty of victims that believe him. They think he's looking out for them, but really they're not part of his plans. Ignorance is bliss.
ZMan - I sincerely would like to see some explanations from these posters on that subject myself, after all the media won't even touch it, it seems a few of us in this country seem to have 'dreamed' up this little Benghazi subject for some reason or another???? I think we will be waiting for a long time for that explaining.
Backhouse - Did you read the article? I noticed this in the middle of the article: But Jeep's ownership has said it isn't planning to move any U.S. production to China; rather, the automaker is establishing new capacity in China to build vehicles that will be sold in China. No where did I see where they are building the Jeeps in the U.S. and sending them to China to be sold.
Now according to their own statement as noted in this article they are indeed planning on building new facilities to make jeeps that are to be sold in China. However, how many jeeps do you believe the Chinese can or will buy? Eventually those jeeps will, in all likely hood, be shipped to the U.S. for sale.
Zman seems to be the only one willing to talk about Libya now. After Romney walked into his own little trap in the second debate, and got thoroughly schooled in the third debate, he hasn't mentioned it in over a week.
It was clear that Wrongme agreed with just about every foreign policy decision that Obama has made over the last four years, because it has been the right course. That, in addition to Wrongme having absolutely no idea about anything outside our borders except France, renders him totally unfit for the job.
The man is just simply not smart enough for the highest office in the land.
Romney's America is a place of fear, want, despair. Forget the 1950's, it's more like the Dark Ages, complete with the plague.
Obama's America is a place of hope, fairness, health, security, equality, and progress. It's an America where I want to live,
Move to France, and Voila!
Amy, I am so scared. . .
Amy,
Not everything is black or white, you should try a little gray.
the totas ...
Living in the gray world of Mitt Romney and the tea party is what has gotten us into the mess we are in. That flat out refuse to compromise or move forward with anything. I think this country is ready for some black and white truths rather than the "a-ok fuzzy gray coming from the right wing."
Obama/Biden 2012
you must be on welfare-health, security and free paychecks-Obama-Biden losers.
There, I fixed it for you.
And you must be on permanent disability because you sure as hell don't make any sense.
amy -- what makes you fabricate all the nonsense you spew here? you are welcome to your opinion as we all are, but the dark ages -- that is just pathetic and moronic.
How funny that Amy thinks Obama is going to deliver us from the 'dark ages'. HA HA then tell me why Obama has thrown the American economy into the Iron Maiden and inserted the Pear of Anguish.
speaking of plague what happened to the Occupy unMovement again.
Chrysler / Jeep sent a e.mail to the Romney camp and told them to stop with the lying with their tea followers in Ohio, Romney continues to this day with the same Lies, Romney is beyond a Pathological Liar !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As the lies and fear mongering continue it might be that Americans wise up and vote against this extremism that has gripped the republican party. Lies about FEMA, lies about Jeep and now his sheltered taxes off shore come to light! Obama/Biden 2012
"I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that's the America millions of Americans believe in. That's the America I love." –Mitt Romney (January 2012)
I thought that quote would help put this guy's words in perspective. He will simply say anything at all to win. ANYTHING. He probably doesn't realize that people are listening and laughing at his feeble attempts to be a leader.
If he was such a great governor, why is Massachusetts out of reach for him with a double digit lead for Obama? Because they saw Willard up close, and they want no part of him.
Wrongme is proud of the healthcare reform he pushed through in MA. Obamacare is based on that plan. If Obamacare is socialism on a national level, then that makes Romneycare socialism on a state level. Wrongme is a SOCIALIST!!! LOL
Obama and his cronies keep calling Romney out for things they are doing themselves. I loved in the debates Romney calling out Obama for his pension also being invested in China! What hypocrites!
This auto issue is even better. Obama fires the CEO and HAND PICKS a new one who brags to the Chinese about their growth in China and everywhere outside the US. He says 7 out of every 10 GM cars are built outside of the US, they've built the Advanced Technology Center in China that moves Research and Development jobs from the US to China, he says that they 'regard their 11 joint ventures' with the Anti-democratic Communist Chinese government as their 'recipe to success' - to get these bids they agreed to transfer 'a good deal of state-of-the-art' technology to China. He touts GM's 'commitment to working in China, with China, and FOR China'.
Obama handed GM a pile of Money, fired their CEO, and appointed a new one who's moving the company OUT of the US. They've admitted 25 billion will never be recovered. Thanks Obama for bailing out a company that doesn't care about AMERICA and appointing a CEO that is determined to move jobs outside the US.
Search for "General Motors is becoming China Motors" on Youtube
Hey Medicade
As an Obama/Biden supporter, as a conservative, hard working, tax paying middle class person I resent your remarks. I have worked all my life, I am almost 60 years old. What I am about to say holds true today as it did when I was a kid. Democrats fight for the working people and the Republicans fight for the wealthy. This is a good rule of thumb and for the most part I follow it. And so I will be voting for Obama/Biden 2012,
WHY,WHY,WHY, do all of you on the right just AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME, that we who support President Obama, are ALL ON WELFARE??? Are you that closed minded, or just that indoctrinated by, Rush Limbagh,Fox News,etc.etc.etc.? We happen to be hard working,tax-paying, citizens just like all of you! We don't ALL, AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME that you are all wealthy, (although, if you aren't, the Republicans could give less than a damn about you!) and, we don't hurl those accusations. So to all of you who think that all Dems. are on public assistance, BLOW IT AND YOUR BOGUS ASSUMPTIONS, OUT OF YOUR COLLECTIVE, YOU KNOW WHATS.
If this country elects this criminal, well you get what you deserve. Use your head do some homework. God help us if he is elected.
You do mean Obama, correct?
Sticks and stones..........................
No sweat Trudy Sanders, Obama will not get re-elected
Normally I would call Romney and Ryan sleazy, lying used car salesmen but that would be and insult to sleazy, lying used car salesmen....... Romney and Ryan are much worst than that............... Kinda makes you wonder where the Republican Party finds scum bags like these two guys........
BigAlLasVegas - they look under that thing lying on top of Trumps head and pulled out these two scumbags covered with crud and that's where the Republican party found their candidates! Yuck!!!!
Obama/Biden 2012
In Romneyland, Jeep's consideration of opening a plant in China=move all production to China. Romney's lie is so egregiously bad that Chrysler had to issue a statement setting Romney straight. Yet, Mitt has taken a foul ball and is running with it.
In Obamaland, 4 Americans killed in Libya is just a bump in the road. . .
sonmanvb, you obviously did not hear what the President said in the last debate.
TROLL ALERT !!!!! Do not respond to "sonmanvb" he or she is a paid Republican troll.
big al --says the obamabot
Why don't you publish your information that sonmanvb is a paid Repub troll, Big Al, or is your informaiton nothing more than your opinion.
Big Al, if you hate paid trolls, then move away from Feisty Jen Rene Psaki! Now there is a snarky troll to avoid!
BigAl Las Vegas
based on what, not liking Obama. Sure anyone right of Che on FR is a troll. We defile the Obama Temple. Now go sacrafice some virgin children BigAl (compensating much?).
Obama has not been a great president and I did not vote for him. Having said that I would think that, as an adult, people would just be honest and own their own positions. The heads of the motor companies (with the exception of Ford) have said the bailout saved them. Additionally, if Romney's plan had not worked the economy would have tanked when GM and Chrysler went under. There may have been another way but time was of the essence. I don't know. I don't work in the auto industry. I know that I have never been and never will be a union member. However, it seems to me that trusting a conservative to save a union is like trusting a Nazis to save a Jew. Never going to happen.
Actually even Ford came out in favor of the bailout because they knew that if GM and Chrysler went under so would their suppliers. I fully remember hearing Malally talk about it on CNBC.
dsb
That was plan "A". Plan "B" was diagnose what same suppliers would fail that GM & Ford used and determine if they would be a problem to lose, if they couldn't afford to lose them establish a fund to help them through the loss of GM's business. Somehow both Toyota and Honda got wind of what Ford was doing and worked together to be ready for a Fail at GM. From all appearance of the lack of progress at GM, they may be going through the same exercise next year.
Gee . . . When I hear "Jeep" and "Ad" in the same sentence, the name Brent Bozell is not far behind. Brent Bozell III is an American conservative writer and activist. Bozell is the founder and president of the Media Research Center, the Conservative Communications Center, and the Cybercast News Service. And, he made is fortune producing ads for Jeep in the 90's. A week shy of election day, could Brent be floating this? And, is this another example of a Romney surrogate at work here?
Don't believe what they are saying, Conservatives! Don't you believe it! It's all a conspiracy! More lies from Obama's cronies! Lies I tell you, more lies!
LOL
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AlaskaGirl, do you realize you are nuts, or do you wake up in the morning and think you are normal?
I agree with AlaskaGirl!
Kick Robme and Lyin' Ryan to the curb!
4 more 4 44!
Thanks, lakerman2!
William with numbers: When I wake up in the morning I always look forward to a brand new day teeming with possibilities. I am sorry if you don't agree with me, I would imagine that you don't if you are a conservative, but you guys just love to feed off untruths and conspiracies. You guys thrive off of a story that you can spin into a conspiracy. It's just the way it is with the Republican party. Don't stop, it provides great laughter in the morning with a cup of coffee sitting and looking out my window to the most beautiful landscape one could wish for!
Where are the Ohio Newspapers not exposing this LIE to it's citizens? Why Not, No one, not a corporate-owned outlet ABC,NBC<CNN, not Time nor Newsweek will condemn Romney for his lie about the Jeep production moving to China.
Says something about how far this nation has fallen!
ellde,
So where is your condemnation for Obama running that commercial that he created 5.2mm jobs?? Factcheck.org had a field day with that one!! You see, you have been governed by a liar for the last 4 years and not once call him out, but yet you "believe" that Romney tells a lie and you get salivating like a dog... This is why the vast majority of Americans loath Democrats...
More lies from Romney. This man is a pathological liar.
He'll do/say anything to be President. Another fool who just wants to one-up his daddy.
A man dies, goes to heaven, stands before St. Peter, and see a huge wall
of clocks. The man asks what all the clocks are for and St. Peter
explains, "These are lie clocks. Everyone on earth has a lie clock.
Every time a person lies, the clock hands move."
Pointing to one, the man says, "Whose clock is that?"
"That's Mother Teresa's," St. Peter answers. "The hands have never moved, indicating she never told a lie."
"Incredible," the man responds. "And whose clock is that?"
St. Peter responds, "That's Abraham Lincoln's. The hands moved twice telling us he told two lies in his entire life."
"Where is Mitt Romney's clock?" the man asks.
"Romney's clock is in Jesus' office," St. Peter says. "He's using it as a ceiling fan."
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myvote ... loved it! Thanks for sharing!
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Who'd buy a junkyassed jeep anyway? Worst reliability of any American vehicle. They do have attractive commercials, however. Get a Jeep extraction vehicle instead...Subaru, Suzuki, etc.
The point is that Romney is knowingly running a false ad, Chrysler has issued a strongly worded denial, yet Romney continues to knowingly deceive. The man has proven he will say or do anything to win. Shameful.
Clotho, you are forgetting one mitigating detail! The truth or facts DON'T matter! Geez, try and remember this detail! LOL
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I have not seen the ad but how do you know it is a Romney ad? Did Romney say that he "approves this message"? If not, then it is from a super pac and not from the Romney campaign. BIG difference there.
Do you think his Daddy is proud or spinning in his grave about HIS son?
ellde - his father said he couldn't pin Mitt down on any subject - Mitt just kept changing his stance on everything. He's definitely spinning in his grave. Mitt is nowhere near the man his father seems to have been!
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I for one own a Jeep. I have had it for the last 7 years and I have had almost no trouble with it. I am from Pennsylvania and will be buying another one. Obama/Biden 2012
It's so interesting to see just how important these micro-issues are becoming here at the end of the election season! It's bizarre to hear little to no talk about much bigger issues, like the environment. These micro-issues matter in battle ground states, and to political enthusiasts, but I think the back and forth is lost on the average voter. Not enough people care about these stories to swing the polls one way or the other in the general population.
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Romney doesn't want to talk about the environment, at all. Haven't you noticed that he barely even mentions it?
Romney has had every opportunity to raise the "big" issues, but he has refused. And the reason why is he has no bold stance on any of the very important issues such as energy independence, global warming, equal rights for all citizens.
All Romney has is regressive ideas to slam the country into reverse.
It is not like nobody has tried! But Romney simply will not discuss it!
I promise to cut taxes across the board by 20% (that's about $5T in lost revenue) and will increase spending on our military (that's another $2T) but I will not increase the deficit.
But how, Mr Romney, how will you do that?
I will work that out with Congress after I am elected.
Oh yeah, and 10 years later we will be $7T even deeper in the hole!
Here God is, pounding on our door, trying to get our attention with a huge frankenstorm, and still not one word about the environment in our campaigns. I wonder what it will take?
Heartlight3 - Romney said the oceans and such are not his problem. He apparently thinks there is nothing wrong!
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Norcalmoderate, maybe the reason you don't hear discussion about the environment is because your candidate of choice, Mitt Romney doesn't believe that there is a problem with the environment. In fact, there is almost nothing to be found that Romney does believe in. He believes in whatever everyone wants him to believe in. One week, he believes FEMA should be done away with and allow the states to deal with all major disasters even if they don't have enough money to deal with the issues. You probably don't remember KATRINA!!!
I am hard pressed to understand people who are willing to support someone with ABSOLUTELY NO CORE BELIEF! NO CONVICTION! I JUST WANT TO BE PRESIDENT BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER BEEN ONE! That is Romney. He could care less about what this country needs. If you don't understand that, you should listen to what people in Massachussetts say about him. 800 vetos, the majority of the four years he spent as Governor, he was not in the state. If that isn't enough, ask people in Massachussetts why he cannot even expect to win the state!!!
People had better wake up. This man is scary. The extreme right wing of the GOP will dictate what they want and the lackey Romney who cares about no one but himself will comply!!
Romney doesn't want FEMA any longer. And so he wants the states to take care of national disasters. So why don't everyone try what Romney wants and no one applies for federal help after Sandy. Just contact your governor and have him send money, food, shelter,and anything else that is needed from his budget.
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Romney may be the most prolific liar who has run for President in the modern era. His recasting of his position on the auto bailout will be legendary. Remember his quote, Obama's auto bailout will signal the end of the automobile industry in the United States. Despite what he says, the people who were trying to get financing for the auto companies have said over and over again, THERE WAS NO PRIVATE FINANCING TO TAKE THEM THROUGH BANKRUPTCY. The rumor of Jeep moving its plant to China is the latest in the Romney lie fest. Of course maybe his greatest and most repeated lie is Obama getting rid of the work requirements for welfare. A man who lies like this has absolutely no business in the Oval Office.
It would be almost impossible for him to obtain that title as Obama already owns it.
By the way, when is the filmmaker going to have the trumped up charges dropped? You know, the filmmaker that made the video that Obama claimed was responsible for what happened in Benghazi?
You do realize that Obama has everyone in his administration lying about what happened there just to cover his rear end, don't you? Even though all of the evidence so far points to dereliction of duty bordering on treason by Obama.
Source, please?
Go to Fact Check. They have a good time line on when Obama lied and continued to lie about the bump in the road that killed the Ambassador.
What surprises me is that Romney wants to bring up China at all. He is the one shipping jobs overseas right now. He is still heading Bain and he is still closing a company and shipping the jobs to China. Romney is a deceitful person with no honor.
Many companys are going to China.Some of our taxdollars went to China.Most of our countrys problems is jobs have been leaving for years! We need tariffs and lower corporate taxs to bring jobs here.
Romney well be more likely than Obama to do this.
So now we have an Italian car company with cars made in Canada, and soon Jeeps made in China! Sweet use of the bailout money.
Apparently you are not paying attention. Or reading.
Romney LIED about his "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" stance during the Auto Rescue and tried to say that it was HIS idea all along. Now he is LYING about Jeep going to move all it's production to China. Why is anyone voting for this Lying Liar that Lies?
No, your just too stupid to find the real truth.
Romney is, without question, the most dishonest politician I have ever witnessed in my life. It depresses me to think some people believe him and will vote for him.
Boudreaux, they know Mitt is lying and they'll still vote for him because they hate Obama that much. They'll vote for a steaming pile of Mitt.
Bourdeaux, have you forgotten about Obama already? Now if you want to talk about a liar, start with Libya and work back. You will find a list of lies that the liberal media won't call him out on.
Then you have not been paying attention to Obama!
What other lies has he told beyond Libya? And where did you find out about them? I'm genuinely curious because some fact checkers have nailed the prez on some of his spin. Even Jon Stewert caught the President spinning facts in his interview, but I've never heard any huge bald faced obvious lies from him.
He's usually sneekier.
So you don't think this is the most corrupt administration in your life?Chicago style politics in Washington.
President Obama doesn't have a clue.Read the amateur,much of it is president Clinton being quoted.I liked Clinton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdOCWUgwiWs
Love those clothes...
The latest endorsement ad for Mitt Romney! A MUST watch for any undecided as well as all Romney supporters!
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That is funny! I think if we could just get the conservative base to laugh once in awhile........they just are so uptight all the time. I can spot one from a block away. Their faces have a pinched up look. I can spot a Democrat from a block away as well. Lots of laugh lines around their mouth.
thank you for sharing lakerman2--that was priceless! Mitt Romney--Onward and upward to the Zombie Apocalypse!
"We have met the enemy and he is us!" Pogo by Walt Kelly
Very funny - take a couple minutes and watch the link that lakerman has posted above!
Yes its easy to spot democrat women.Its the ones saying we should pay for theyre birth control since they cant afford the condoms to keep up with theyre sex life.
Or screaming about the right to have abortions.Its a sick world.
So? they need paid for condoms and birth control?Wow they must be real sluts.
Alaska
Where am I wrong about Chrysler?
I am not going to tell you. I am going to sit here and let your ignorance and denial be seen by all.
Silly girl!
Or about Jeeps being built in China?
That's not true. You are not going to tell him because you know he is RIGHT. What a stupid girl!
Mitt Romney is "counting on Ohio"now, and he is telling everybody how he NEVER said that he wanted the automovil industry to go bankrupt
BASTARD!!! Romney does not give any details about himself. He is a VULTURE CAPITALISTIC JERK that was sending companies to China, and now he is trying to smear the President, that save the automovil industry from disaster.
He now is flying as a "moderate" He changes positions more often than his MAGIC UNDERWEAR!!!
Why dont you educate yourself and READ the New York Times article that Romney wrote in 2008.
You spout $hit but have nothing to back it up....Romney said he supported going thru a structured bankruptcy with government guarantees...so why dont you just STFU?
Ticked off in Ohio, You sound like an illiterate!! You resort to profanity and name calling when you have nothing intelligent to say.
The NY Times article put in the title, but Romney did say that he supported a structured bankruptcy, with private sector funds helping out. He doesn't say and no one could find a private sector business to help out the auto industry, so the Federal Government had to get this done. Had President Obama not done what he did, this country would have lost an entire industry with jobs lost in every aspect of building autos, including parts, manufacturing, repairs shops and on and on. You should spend some time maybe having someone read the Times article to you since you were unable to understand it.
I guess it goes to show that not all private sector businesses can be relied upon unless you pay them the right price!!
Obummer just bribed his union buddy's to vote for him at taxpayers expense.GM should have went through bankruptcy and reorganized,made new union contracts.
Look at GM now,its stock isn't worth squat.The volt is a failure.
Obama is good at spending taxpayers money on company's that fail.The country well be better off when Obama go's away.The unquestioning support for the worst president in my lifetime is weird.
The Chrysler Corporation said that Mitt Romney was LYING about his claim the Chrysler was going to move all jeep production to China, a claim the Romney repeated in his most recent ad! Ann Romney said she worried about Mitt's mental stability - here is more proof that her fears are well founded.
Wassup with the Lakers?
Lakerboy is delusional. The add does not say that ALL Jeep production will be moved to China. They put the ad up in the article if you would bother to watch it. Or are you just lying about the ad.
Romney's total lack of integrity shows itself with this lying ad. His whole campaign has been a non-ending stream of pathological lying.
Not only is Jeep doing well here, but its doing so well that it can start up more factories in other countries, including China, thanks to Obama's economics policies.
This man has issues, and why would you want some one like that/ Romney has accounts over sea, shipped jobs over sea and he lies and you can not trust him. Why are some so stupit you must be lower thinkers. I suggest to you is to put on your thinkers caps and think about this. If he is lying now what would he do in the WHITE HOUSE. People wake up. game over.... Can you smell WAR
There is no issue,.. on any subject, that willard won't blatantly lie about...
But,.. I knew it would just get worse, the closer we got to Nov. 6th..
Can't WAIT to see Rmoney's ad blaming Hurricane Sandy on Obama. that'll be a hoot...
Kinda like the way Obama blames everything on Bush!
Disappointed,
There is a big difference when Obama blames the current state of the economy on Bush. The difference is, it's true!
Hey, O'Brien and the rest of the media. Why don't you do your job? Blur distinctions? How about bald-faced lied? How about you start doing your jobs and telling the American public the truth about Willard Mitt Romney LYING since it is obvious Willard Mitt Romney will never stop lying becuase he has a complicit press who won;t report the truth about him. The American people need the press to report the truth, you know DO YOUR JOB and report the lying when Willard Mitt Romney lies. He is lying about Jeep. Jeep put out a press release basically calling him a liar. When will you tell the the f@#king truth?
Willard Mitt Romney has obviously decided he doesn't need the press and will continue to run away from you and ignore you and not grant any interviews, so why dont you tell the truth?
What, afraid he'll get elected and won't grant you access? Why are you even a journalist then? Your job is to ensure we have the truth about these candidates, not sell your soul for access to their bulls@#t.
You make me sick.