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Despite Hurricane Sandy touching down on the East Coast today, both campaigns continue to jockey behind the scenes for who has the momentum in the presidential race.
The latest is over whether Republican challenger Mitt Romney is making up so much ground on President Barack Obama that he is expanding the map into places like Pennsylvania and even Minnesota – or whether Romney’s path is so limited that he needs to find new states to put in play.
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There is some evidence for the expansion and tightened battleground landscape. There is a new poll today, for example, from the University of Cincinnati showing Romney closing the gap in Ohio to a tied race, 49 to 49 percent.
Some polls in the Keystone State in recent weeks have showed Romney within 5 points, but the Romney campaign has not made a serious play for the state, booking no ads despite those public polls. A poll out today from the Philadelphia Inquirer shows Obama up 49 to 43 percent. That’s a slight improvement for Romney from earlier this month, when Obama was up 50 to 42 percent.
The pro-Romney outside group Restore Our Future, however, is now giving it another shot in Pennsylvania, booking $2 million in ads for this week.
Obama Deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter talks about the potential impact the hurricane could have on the president's campaign.
The Obama campaign says it will respond with ads of its own, because it’s not “going to take anything for granted right now,” Campaign Manager Jim Messina said on a conference call with reporters, but the campaign categorically denies that it is seeing any momentum for Romney in its data.
"I don't want to be ambiguous about this at all: We're winning this race,” Obama campaign adviser David Axelrod said on the call, “and I say that not on the basis of some mystical faith in a wave that's going to come...We base it on cold, hard data. … In just eight days, we'll know who was bluffing and who wasn't."
Two polls in Minnesota show two different stories – one from Mason-Dixon showing a 4-point race, 47 to 43 percent with Obama leading; the other from St. Cloud University has it Obama 53 percent, Romney 45 percent, close to the president’s 2008 margin. The Obama campaign began running advertising in Minneapolis last week, which it said is intended for Wisconsin, but it is also dispatching former President Bill Clinton to Minnesota for two campaign events tomorrow.
The Obama campaign says Clinton is headed to Minnesota to rally activists, many of whom do door-knocking in neighboring Wisconsin.
“President Clinton’s visit is part of a multi-state swing to battleground states as well as areas with a strong Democratic base,” said Adam Fetcher, an Obama campaign spokesman, “and he’s starting in the Midwest, in part, because of weather concerns out East. We’ve had a strong organization in place for months in Minnesota, and our staff and volunteers there have played a key role in supporting our massive grassroots operations in Wisconsin and Iowa. This visit will help fire up our supporters who we need to help us turn out every vote possible heading into the final week.”
The October surprise came later than usual and the campaigns are left with big decisions – how will the weather we're seeing along the East Coast impact strategy in the battleground states going forward. NBC's Chuck Todd reports.
Republicans don't see it that way.
“The Obama campaign continued with their desperate and flailing spin in an attempt to explain why suddenly states that were never considered in play are up for grabs," Romney Political Director Rich Beeson said in a statement. "We’ve said all along this election is a choice between the status quo and real change – change that offers promise that the future will be better than the past. President Obama’s misguided policies and broken promises have let down millions of Americans, and we’re seeing the effects of that in states across the country with more support and enthusiasm for Governor Romney every day we get closer to November 6th."
Republican National Committee spokeswoman Kirsten Kukowski accused the Obama campaign of being "extremely defensive about Pennsylvania." She added in an email to reporters, "Oh, and Axelrod made it two days in a row that the campaign has attacked the Des Moines Register. You’re right Axe, 8 days and we’ll see who is bluffing."
The Des Moines Register endorsed Romney on Saturday after endorsing Obama in 2008.
Pro-Romney outside groups are flush with cash and have tried to test the waters in various states previously -- spending millions in Minnesota, Pennsylvania, and Michigan -- to try and move the needle to no avail. Despite Minnesota not going Republican since 1972 -- the longest streak outside of Washington, D.C. -- outside groups took a shot there early on. In 2008, Minnesota, which Obama won 54 to 44 percent, was actually closer than Michigan.
The Romney campaign, with the help of outside groups is hoping for a late surge. Currently, its path is very narrow. It almost has to run the table or at least win most of the remaining crucial tossups, like Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Colorado, Wisconsin, and Iowa. Outside of Wisconsin, those were all states won by George W. Bush (R) in 2004.
"What the facts and numbers clearly show is that the president is going to win this election,” Messina said, contending, “We're leading in every battleground state." He added, “The Romney campaign wants you to think it's expanding the map, but it's not. … The reason they're expanding the map is because they're down in the places they need to get 270 electoral votes. … We're not going to take anything for granted, and we're going to continue to make sure we're doing what we need to do on the ground.”
Just today, a CNN poll in Florida showed Romney up 50 to 49 percent. And a Pew national poll showed the race dead even at 47 percent between the two candidates.
NBC’s and others’ polling have shown tight races in Virginia, Florida, and Colorado. Even today, an Elon poll showed even North Carolina, a state which NBC has Lean Romney, a tossup, 45 to 45 percent.
Reuters, Getty Images
In the final push in the 2012 presidential election, candidates Mitt Romney and Barack Obama make their last appeals to voters.
Romney has undoubtedly made gains nationally and in battlegrounds after the president’s lackluster first presidential debate. Despite the president winning the next two debates, the damage was done. Romney pulled even or ahead in Colorado and Virginia and now seems a very narrow favorite in Florida, a state he must win. There’s almost no conceivable path to 270 for Romney without it.
The question is, however, whether Romney can make up enough ground in places like Ohio, Wisconsin, and Iowa, where the president retains structural advantages.
Because of the auto bailout, President Obama has maintained a lead over Romney in Ohio. It’s why there has been a push from Romney since the last debate to shift his auto-bailout messaging. If Romney’s latest salvo on the auto bailout doesn't catch on in the Northwestern part of the state, it may be difficult to see him make up the necessary ground.
It’s impossible to know where the race will be in eight days. But the reality remains that Romney has made up ground, but in the battlegrounds and nationally, it is what it has been -- exceedingly tight.
NBCNews.com’s Michael O’Brien and NBC's Mark Murray contributed to this report.
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Just depends on who you ask to comment. This is a little silly.
Romney said last year that he would end FEMA:
And that it would be "immoral" for the federal goverment to fund disaster releif without cutting funding elsewhere.
PLEASE NOTE THAT: Paul Ryan opposed President Obama's work to build funding for disaster relief into the Budget.
The President was working to get around response DELAYS to the disaster last year -- CAUSED BY Eric Cantor and congressional Tea Partiers.
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What is wrong with Romney? - Romney has no sense of what he said when, and will not be corrected on compulsive mountains of lies, spoken in front of millions.
Chrysler has called him out for his "fantasies" about Jeep. Chrysler keeps telling Romney they have NO plans to send jobs overseas. Jeeps yes, jobs No. In fact, their latest plan is another $2,000 jobs in Ohio.
Someone who is a sociopath will lie and have no remorse for having done so. Sometimes they don't even realize they are lying. As for FEMA comments, a sociopath really doesn't care about others. If it benefits him the sociopah is interested in it otherwise they couldn't care less.
Me and my whole State are voting for Obama/Biden.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!
Here is a thought......let's ask the same voters if they are better off today then they were when they voted on 11/2/10 or just two short years ago and what they think about Romney and Obama on 11/6/12 and forget the polls since 11/6/12 is the only vote that counts and every opinion until then is just an educated guess at best. The undecided will decide on 11/6/12! by the way, 54% still want Obamacare repealed.........
"Pro-Romney supports are flush with cash" investing in MN, MI, and PA and have not moved the "needle"?? Working Americans are saying NO to the corporate raider. You screwed Americans over and over and they remember. This is why you don't have a prayer and will be buried under President Obama electoral votes.
Get out early to the Obama voting stations this week and get it done.
Events on this level of existence may have relatively little effect on those who believe if their faith is strong enough and their belief pure enough they can ascend to the highest levels of reality and become Gods themselves with their own heavenly realms or planets. That kind of belief system probably makes terrestrial hurricanes seem like pretty small potatoes by comparison. So (from their point of view) stop complaining and start praising the right God.
FYI to the Pollsters.... I live in Florida and receive a call at least once per week or more asking whom I will be supporting. I lie every single time!!! Most of us do just to keep you guessing. So, you go right ahead and spend your time tallying up your poll results. The majority are wrong!
BTW, I am much better off than 4 years ago. Wishing the same for all of you.
My state is solidly supporting President Obama's re-election - and we have a miniscule number of Latinos here! (Lots of Franco-Americans and Yankees, like me, however: )
My State is and will be supporting Romney/Ryan on 11/6/12 as with most States throughout the southern U.S.
American Girl-724855
Me and my whole State are voting for Obama/Biden.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!
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I had no idea the State of Denial was one of the 50...
So far,, it looks like Sandy is winning.
Ms/Mrs Cutterless always has some "quips" from Chinese cookies. Yep, better listen to her.
However, it is nice to see Mr. Obama is FINALLY "ACTING" Presidential by returning to the White House because of Sandy. Still waiting on his news conference which he will shift the Benghazi attack on someone else except for Radical Muslim Extremist Terrorists. Yep, the CIA, the Intel community, and the SofS have been thrown under the bus. Guess it will be the Sec Def.
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I voted for Romney~Ryan to take back America from the Progressives and the RADICALS.
TO: Spartan117 who wrote:
You ought to know, that's where the majority of Republicans live!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!
Now now children.....let's be adults here shall we..........
Keep Warm & Dry Amy.
I don't know if you have early voting, but if you do, today might be a good day to "Get 'r done."
Both campaigns know this is a tight race. Some people wait until the very end, and then they vote for whoever they think will win. They don't really care about politics, but want to think that they voted for the winner and feel better knowing they were right.
The polls are ridiculous. I don't recall seeing so many and I've been voting for 40 years...I go to Nate Silver's page to see what a proven statistician describes the progress of the race. Non partisan, based on numbers only. For those of us who want the President and Vice President to win, read the column and buy the champagne...
TO: ldo who wrote:
Somebody got twisted up pretty darn bad because Republicans ARE the Regressive RADICALS.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!
American Girl, what state would that be? The state of confusion maybe!
ANYONE WHO CARES ABOUT ***ACCURATE*** POLLING DATA - YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE IT, BUT IT'S ACCURATE . . .
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/29/oct-28-in-swing-states-a-predictable-election/#more-36832
NATE SILVER CARES ABOUT BEING ***CORRECT*** AND RELIABLE; HE IS NON-PARTISAN AND WEIGHS/AGGREGATES ***ALL*** OF THE POLLS; His success depends on ACCURACY!
O & JOE, 2012 - MYTH ROBE 1040'S (he lied about his Mass taxes, & he's lying to us about his Fed taxes)
American Girl - There are some states who drink a lot of Obama/Democrat kool-aid. If y'all could only taste the truth every now and then, you would see how Obama & Biden have HURT this country in the last 4 years. Here is one for you, just one of the 100+ .... 1. Obama called the US Seals to take out bin laden - THEY DID!!! US Seals and US embassy personnel called Obama to help them in Libya - Obama did NOTHING and US Citizens were murdered because Obama did NOT take action against his MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD!!! Does this make you feel American???
The obfuscation and unwillingness to compromise led by Mitch McConnell and his minions is one of the most unethical and treasonous campaigns set forth by elected officials in my lifetime. They without a doubt put party before country and more so, put party before the people.
But keep sucking up their spilled milk of distortion. It's the only trickle down you'll still have after this election is decided.
lbirdie, sweetie, you are confusing two completely different countries. In the recent democratic elections in EGYPT, the Muslim Brotherhood party won the majority of seats.
However, your post is about Libya, in which the Muslim Brotherhood has zero presence in government. The Libyan government is quite pro-America, as are most Libyans. Your confusion clearly illustrates your complete lack of knowledge about world events. This renders your opinions worthless. And yes, free democratic elections in a country that has been under brutal dictatorship for decades DOES make me proud to be an American.
Your post indicates that the world consists of "murica" and "everyone else".
Any state where Obama has 47% or less goes to Romney. It's not like the voters don't know Obama. They have seen him for four years. If Obama only has 47% with a week to go, he can kiss those states goodbye.
The polls have consistently undercounted Obama supporters.
They only count people with telephones.
Newsflash: there are lots of minorities who do not have a telephone. And the vast majority of them will vote for Obama.
Just watch what happens. Obama is going to win this thing and not by a small margin.
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Let's face it. If the GOP policies were any good, they would have George W Bush out the campaign trail helping them. Fact is, they do not want to remind anyone what there policies are.
United,
Nice spin when the polls are turning against Obama. There are nine battleground states which Romney had no chance according to the polls just a month ago. "Minority" is just that. It means they are few in numbers and the odds of them getting called by pollsters are proportional to their population. And the odds of the pollsters calling one of them without a phone is even smaller.
Those of you undecided please do not vote on the past. Do your homework. Voting for Romney is a dangerous option;
Romneys tax plan has been shown to be mathematically impossible. and will add to the deficit,and increase taxes on the middle class, and reduce them for the rich. Romney will make health care harder to attain.Romney will allow the banks once again to fee and regulate you to death. Romney is for coal permits that allow top mountain drilling that is known to pollute communties aquifers.ie Big business before community, he has a history of trumping communtiy over big business.The only country out of 21 in the world that wants Romney to win is Pakistan, What does that tell you.
If you have sons and daughters in the military you can bet there will be more war, Romneys get tough with others attitude which was tempered by his advisors , (and this was painfully obvious in the foreign policy debate) will return if he is put into office.
Do not allow polls and biased political ads to decide for you, form your own opinions,do your homework, Everything I have said about Romney I can back up.
PLease do not look where we have been look where we are going now ,which is forward.
Vote Romney and you will turn back the hands of time. Please do not vote on the past, Vote FORWARD.
ir12,
Let's face it. If Obama can run on his record and his policies, he wouldn't need Slick Willy and keep reminding voters that he can be just like Clinton.
Another thing about some of the polls, Rasmussen uses automatic or robo-calls. By law, they are prohibited from calling cell phones. Younger voters tend to not have land line phones, they also tend to vote for the Democratic party, even if they don't associate with a party. Thus, aside from the bias they admit (polling 10% more Republicans than exist in the regular population) they also have a flawed polling technique which, by its very nature, excludes independent voters who would vote for a democrat.
The same issue affects any polling organization which excludes cell phones. Since 25% of homes no longer have a land line, these polls are excluding 25% of voters. In 2008, about 17% of homes had no land line. That is why many polls were wrong in 2008, they excluded those people.
I think it's pretty obvious that Charlie Sheen is winning.
Ask Eddie Munster and the Mormon Lyin' King this: WWJSD? What Would Joseph Smith Do?
dirp,
Somebody is parroting FiveThirtyEight, a NY Times left-wing site. Check out the accuracy of various polls in 2008.
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2008/11/the-list-which-presidential-polls-were-most-accurate/
Obama/Biden For the 99%
TO: lbirdie123-3925574 who wrote:
I tasted a whole lot of "truth" when George "Curveball" Bush lied to me, the United States Congress, and the rest of the world, then Republicans refused to hold him responsible for the way he turned America and the American People upside down!
So long as Republicans continue to lie and deny the truth of matters, I will not vote for a single Republican until I'm convinced that Republicans have come back to reality, cause right now, I just don't believe Republicans are being on the up-and-up about anything.
Now Republicans have got Romney, lying straight IN our faces, and that's ok with Republicans, but it's not ok with me! I heard Romney myself say "Let them!" when a reporter asked about the auto industry going bankrupt. Romney was against the bailouts, before he was "for" them!
Obama/Biden 2012
Maybe the voters need to look at two years ago when your tea brotheren Got elected into the house since then the country has went down hill thats all they knoiw how to blocked bills Republicans at there finest!
TO: Road Warrior-252445 who wrote:
He is running on his record, but Republicans just don't face whatever they don't want to face.
I still love Bill Clinton, and I love to listen to him whenever he gives a speech for any reason, and I especially love to see Clinton out on the campaign trail!!!
Republicans just refuse to accept reality, like for instance the fact that GWB is the most hated president in history and cannot show his face next to any Republican, nor can Bush show up at any Rally or any Republican Convention because Bush was such a horrible president.
Obama/Biden 2012
Romney and his ilk don't care about helping anyone unless there is a profit to be made off of doing so.
Hey einsteins, none of Mitt Robmey's many home states are even going to be won by him!!!
Even a dumba$$ can see Robmey will not have the electoral votes to win.... geezlouise....
Tell that to Rasmussen maybe, but not Gallup. Rasmussen says Republicans 36.8%, Democrats 34.9%. Gallup is now using 36% Republican and 35% Democrats.
All the news media polls are using 2008 as a trend to which the turnout in 2010 indicates 2008 to be a peak. Here's the partisan results since 2000
2000 - 39D, 35R, 27I
2002 - 28D, 40R, 22I
2004 - 37D, 37R, 26I
2006 - 38D, 36R, 26I
2008 - 39D, 32R, 29I
2010 - 35D, 35R, 29I
In states that reflect the National Average, like OHIO, I'm seeing polls from 37 - 45% D and Republicans from 26% to 36%. These numbers do vary from state to state as to what is appropriate.
What the media polls are doing on a regular basis is use the 2008 as the basis to start. That is reasonable to do provided, they adjust up and down based on polling people's opinions.
Consistently since mid 2009, the enthusiasm for democrats began to cool and republicans began to get active again because of the ACA, which they did not want any parts of.
2010 confirms this. What the news media has done is ignored the change as a abberation on the false assumption that 2010 was a fad and never would happen again. They have done this despite repeated polls that say that the democrats optimism is down and the Republicans is up.
Now if you take the -4 democrat and +4 Republican and apply that to all the states you can back out the oversampling that is being done. When you do that, you will see that Democrats are being oversampled by 7 - 11 points in the polls. Back that out too and you will find that Romney is winning by a landslide.
Worse yet, these same false numbers are being used in senate and congressional seats. Back these numbers out on those and you will see the Republicans with up to 56 seats and gaining more seats in the house.
That's all well and fine, but we really don't know what the mix will be on election day, but it certainly is not going to be what the far majority of polls are saying.
Polling companies like Rasmussen and Gallup check this each month.
TO: LooLoo.ser who wrote:
My "girl parts" are none of Republicans' business and it's disgusting for you to even have brought it up, which is EXACTLY why I'm voting for President Obama AND a straight Democratic Ticket, so that Republicans can NEVER control my "girl parts"!
Obama/Biden 2012
Sickening.
Road Warrior: have you ever looked at the detailed analytics behind the Rasmussen poll ? They usually report surveying samples of people who identify themselves as 33% Republican 33% Democrats and 33% Independents. Since the actual voting population is, at best, 28% R, 43% D, and 29% I or no party affiliation, the Rasmussen methodology over samples Republican's by 5%, under samples Democrats by 5%, and over samples independents (a/k/a Republicans who don't want to be associated with the Tea Party.) Likewise, they state they do not sample cell phone users.
Simply because the NYTimes reported it, does not make the information inaccurate. If you don't like what the Times reported, look at the details from Rasmussen's own cite, that's what I did.
If you don't like poll results, do what a real analyst, like Nate Silver, does, dig into the details and find the bias in each poll.
Listen my friends
And you will see,
What King Obama
Has done to you and me.
On January twentieth
Two thousand and nine,
He took control
We started our decline
.
With record unemployment
And people forlorn,
Our tax money spent
Poverty the Norm.
With free phones for some
And EBT cards too,
The lazy ones come
Freebies from me and you.
On November the sixth
Two thousand and twelve,
You must go vote
Or were going to hell.
The country deserves better
Than the King and Moochele
,America must survive
And ring the liberty bell.
John D. USN 71-77
American Girl: you tell 'em !!
BTW: was flipping around the tube this weekend and caught "All The Presidents Men" on Turner Classic Movies. My 19 year old son (first time voting) came in near the end of the movie, when they were showing all of the people who were convicted and went to jail. He asked if all of this really happened and what was it all about.
Since the corruption took place 40 years ago, its not long enough to really hit the history books, yet its long enough ago that the last generation (the 30-40 year olds) does not remember it. Anyway, I explained how President Nixon used the entire federal government, particularly the FBI, the CIA, and the IRS, as his own private mob army to bully, intimidate and disrupt the entire election process. He said he had learned about Nixon resigning in disgrace, but not the extent of the corruption.
I then told him to look up the convictions under President Reagan. He did and then came back and said he never realized just how bad the Republicans really were. I told him they haven't changed and that's why I vote for Democrats.
Vote Democratic because the entire world depends on it.
Vote Mitt Robmey/Lyin Ryan if you think lying and cheating your way into the presidency is the way to go!!
mike, great poem. post more if you got them! and haggisbingo, it worked for obama.
Romney collects 10 endorsements to Obama's 1
October 25, 2012 @ 12:05 AM
By the West Virginia Press Association
@border joe;
Did you just wake up sir?lol
Very quietly. LOL. ObamaCare, Shhhhhhh. $6 trillion added to debt over four years, Shhhhhh. Same unemployment rate as when he took office, Shhhhhhh. Failure to repeal Patriot Act, Shhhhh. 30,000 more troops, four years later and still in Afghanistan, Shhhhhh. 53% of new college grads have no jobs, Shhhhh. Benghazigate, Shhhhhh. Worst oil spill in Gulf oil production history, Shhhhhh. DADT repealed and endorsing homosexual marriage, Shhhhhhh. Green energy disaster, Shhhhhh.
@roadwarrior;
Shhh when Obama came into office the deficit was already at 1.3 trillion annually, and two wars going on and many hungry Americans to take care of because of a recession.shhhh.The debt ceiling was already predicted to rise 8 trillion over the next decade( When Obama started) shhhh.
If you do not have your health what have you got sir? 6trillion saved?lol(so you say) Last time I checked good health was priceless.
Umm no sir shhh it is now 7.4% for whites, like 9.6 % for latinos and 13,9% for blacks, and blacks unemployment rate has been double that of whites since 1972. It was over 8% when he started shhhh.
Shh He renewed Patriot act with senate approval, this is for terrorist not ordinary citizens shhh just ask the Republicans they created it.shhhh. We are drawing down from Afghanistan. shhhh
Thanks to automation and offshoring jobs shhh not all on Obama shhhh.I do not believe your numbers shhh
Hey Mike, let me have a try....
Come and listen to a story of a man called Mitt
Who evaded the draft and did not give a shyt
Then one day while wrecking a company
He bought into Bain and we all know what that means
Well the first thing you know ol Mitts a millionaire
Kin folk said please buy our Trump some hair
Said Massachusetts is the place you want to be
So they loaded up the limo with foie gras and Chinese tea
Well now it's time to say goodbye to Mitt and family
But they would like to thank you all the Party of the Tea
Republicans are fuming at the losing of the race
At least no more we have to see ol Mitts fat lying face
You all come back now..ya hear?
:)
You see he is a dangerous choice, just as I posted above. One word at the beginning I used for Romney was specious now after this attempt to mislead the public I will deem him "Captain Specious".
Do not be fooled Ohio. He is lying right to your face for votes.
Romney will win Ohio. I am from Ohio and those people will not make the same stupid mistake twice in a row. They know Obama promised everything and delivered nothing but failure. The only reason Ohio's unemployment numbers are down is because they have an outstanding Republican governor, not because of anything Obama did.
Coral,
You are the reason the independents who voted for Obama are fed up, EXCUSES. You have an excuse for every failure, don't you? You are basically saying things were bad when Bush left, and it is no worse today. LOL. How many coaches you know would get a contract extension with that attitude? Sounds good and gets lots of kudos from left-wingers, but does nothing to woo back the 30% of independents who have left the hope and change camp.
hey Backhouse - why don't you actually listen to what Romney said instead just reading headlines... Romney NEVER said it was immormal to fund disaster relief... he said it was immoral to keep spending our children's money knowing we can't pay it back
@roadwarrior'
I am not making excuses. My point is to make sure that the blame is fairly laid. I am the reason some independents will know the truth about Romney. If you read my post you will seee I am not defending Obamas record just showing how much blame can not be laid on him.
My point is showing where we are going not where we have been. If you wish to live in the past and turn the clocks back be my guest sir.
how corrupt is obama? corrupt enough to take cash donations from osama bin laden!
Let's outsource the lying Romney/Ryan to China permanently to work in their sweat shops!
@JACK; you know you spew alot of vitriol,but back none of it up. I believe you hate Obama more than you like Romney.
5 pages of Obama’s broken promises:
Promise Broken rulings on the The Obameter
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/?page=1
And more of his flip-flops here:
President Flip Flop: Barack Obama’s Broken Promises, Policy Reversals and Continuous Flip Flops
http://www.therightsphere.com/2012/04/president-flip-flop-barack-obamas-broken-promises-policy-reversals-and-continuous-flip-flops/
“You know me, I say what I mean, and I mean what I say.”...“You can take a videotape of things I said 10 years ago, 12 years ago and you’d say, ‘Man this is the same guy,’” – Obama on the campaign trail in Iowa Oct. 24, 2012
ROTFLMAO!!!
Today, there is a Gallup article showing Republicans are the ones turning out for the early voting, not Democrats. I am in a heavily Democrat area, so my early voting experience was the Democrats and in particular minorities were turning out big.
I think you don't get excited if you for either candidate, because these votes are secret. We only know about those who are polled vs areas that have a tendency to be of one party or another.
I will say that the democrat estimates of over 60% are based on 2008 election results and based on the polls indication of democrats not being as energized as republicans, I think those projections are a bit optimistic.
I will say I found out that some poeple I thought were democrats are actually republicans and voted early, something they did not do in 2008.
@hs321 - Your funny. Just like your wannabe Mitt, you try and take someone Else's sayings and make them your own. Obama already labeled Mitt as the flip flopper, and Mitt has already tried taking Obama's "Change" saying, can't you Republicans come up with your own sayings?
Oh and now Romney is saying he is saving the Auto industry from going to China after he voted to let them go Bankrupt and send American Jobs overseas.
Wow, you Republicans really take the cake.
Sorry Brenda. I didn't realize Obama had a copyright on 'flip-flop'.
By the way, I'm an Independent, so he's not my "wannabe Mitt".
In fact, I can't stand Romney. But he is getting my vote, which tells you what I think of Obama.
Personally, I think DC needs to be purged of all politicians and we start over.
... the numbers for Bush's last three months. Between October and November, 597,000 jobs were lost; between November and December, 681,000 were lost; and between December and January, 741,000 were lost.
August 30, 2012 -- The private sector created, on average, about 157,000 jobs a month in the past 29 months — a pace somewhat faster than population growth.
DJIA Dec 1, 2008 8149
DJIA Oct 29, 2012 13107
Dec. 29, 2008 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. corporate earnings fell for a sixth-straight quarter, the longest streak in at least 20 years, as consumer spending on automobiles, homes and retailers collapsed.
Jul 31, 2012 (Bloomberg) -- Profits for companies in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index have grown for 10 straight quarters, helping to power the index to a more than twofold increase since March 2009.
Are we better off than we were 4 years ago? Hell, yes!
Obama’s National Support Undersold With Low Cell Phone Sample
Tom Kludt 10:37 AM EDT, Monday October 29, 2012
Even as national polls continue to show an extremely tight presidential race, President Barack Obama's level of support may be sold short by pollsters that do not capture a burgeoning segment of the electorate. That's the upshot of a memo released Monday by the Democratic polling firm Greenberg Quinlan Rosner.
According to the memo, national polls conducted by live interviews routinely fail to capture a representative sample of cell phone users in the American electorate, while automated pollsters are legally prohibited from calling cell phones. Most live interview pollsters designate roughly 30 percent of their samples for cell phone users, but GQR contends that the actual portion of the electorate could be closer to 40 percent.
Such a shortcoming, the memo suggests, carries the potential of pegging Obama's nationwide support at a lower level than it is in reality.
From GQR's analysis:
Note about Rasmussen
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Info/rasmussen.html
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Pres/Maps/Oct30-noras.html
It's extremely likely that the Neo-Cons/TeaBaggers are going to be caught flat footed on the 6th.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/signal/national-polls-meaningless-stage-election-135415586.html
Basically, you can't rely on only ONE resource and/or one level of information for your political information in this election.
So many on the Right are almost solely reliant on FOX, from their right-wing talking heads and from slanted, right-centric polling (Rasmussen) for their information that they're going to be blind-sided by the reality of where things actually are in terms of Pres Obama's probable re-election.
It's for that reason that those on the Right will end up declaring the election was "stolen" by forces loyal to the Left, by socialistic/anti-xtian/anti-capitalism evil doers and all those other right wingnut conspiracies.
Ignorance is bliss until it bites you in the ass.
If you want to waste your vote on Lying Mitt, that's your choice. Just remember who turned the economy around and started making jobs not losing them like Bush did. If Romney wins, remember it was Obama that saved us not Mitt even though he will take credit for the stock market that is doing better now then any time during Bush and the plus jobs bringing back the economy.
Romney collects 10 endorsements to Obama's 1
October 25, 2012 @ 12:05 AM
By the West Virginia Press Association
The poor little sheeplole have lost the way---OhaaaaBahaaMaaa...chug the KOOLaid....Salud!!!
If you call Bush, Sarah Palin, Bachmann, or Donald (toupee) Trump as endorsements, then I will take the 1 for every 10 Romney endorsements any day.
Now that MittMentum has fizzled out!
It's time for some "O"Mentum to get us over the finish line! ;o)
Time to wake up to the FACT it comes down to the ground game...
Poor Willard just can't "jump"! lol
Oh, and, the massive majority of early votes the President has in the "bank"!
except he should have had 'Omentum' perpetually. After all he's been so successful with his presidency right? There is no way all these super smart voters back in 08' just got dumb all of the sudden eh? Did they all just become racist now? Im sure you have some grand explanation to why the Greatest human being ever just aint doing that well. Hey maybe you can go Fetch Mickey, NY and have him explain with his 'killa debatin' skillz'. You know since he's so insightful and knowledgable. Perhaps he found bliss in ignorance.
RENDER UNTO CAESAR!
caesar if you were colorblind you would see a very successful president.
what does color have to do with it. Tell me where this 'success' is again? Tell me why O isnt running on his record? Tell me what color has to do with it again?
I didnt think so and every time one of you pukes pull that card out, im going to call you the assblank you are. Pathetic worms that use race when your candidate fails on his own. Nice excuse but FAIL
now go get new talking points
A week or so ago someone asked why bother to vote early---isn't it better to wait til election day. Well, the events of this week with a disastrous storm make it clear---you never know what is going to happen either personally or to your community, so vote as soon as you can. Since Pa. doesn't have early voting (that would require leaving the 19th century), I do vote as early on the election day as I can. Just in case!
The myth of Romney momentum is as big a con job as would be a myth of Romney adhering to his convictions. Neither is happening.
Yep Steeler - a big con job.
Like when O said he'd cut the budget. Then again, today is the three year anniversary of the last congressional budget.
And of course Steeler, we all know why Reid hates budgets.
It's all a myth. Rasmussen and Gallup, the RCP average - all a bunch of Hooey. Of course Bennett still held out that he was going to win right up till his concession speech.
O and Joe have got to go! The Obama administration has been a disaster from day 1. If you want four more years of stagnation reelect Obama. If you want prosperity again, vote Romney!
We'll all know next week. THANK GOD :)
/peace
caeser, they call it racism. By the way , are you one of the 47%?
Oh good lord, really?
Willard has Ground Game all right. It's called programming the voting machines. What a bold and original thought,...if you can't beat 'em, cheat 'em. It's worked his whole life.
Man as our President told him at the 3rd debate, he's been WRONG on everything. And guess what? He's WRONG on FEMA, too!
So remember that, folks, R$mney nor Eric Cantor would provide ANY Federal assistance to disaster victims. ONLY to the Corporations like Big Oil, that don't even NEED the subsidies. Protect THOSE at all costs; but let Detroit and any disaster near a city near you - BANKRUPT!
He's a lover (of money) not a fighter (for the little guy)!
Good Luck with that, 'pubbies!
Wrongme better be wrong about the early voting because right now, he is losing aat about a 2 to 1 clip. We don't have to wait for Wrongme to self-deport. We can kick him out in 8 days!!!
Updated as of 3:35pm EST on Monday, October 29:
Real Clear Politics (RCP) is consistently cited by both FOXNEWS and NBCNEWS as a current source for
reliable averaged polling data at every level of American politics.
RCP on Thursday returned North Carolina (NC) to the status of "toss-up state," and in so doing, reduced Romney's likely electoral vote tally from 206 to 191. However, Romney still holds an appreciable albeit softening lead of 3.0% in NC and remains the favorite to capture that state in the upcoming election.
In sum, RCP now considers the following eleven states, listed in descending order of electoral votes, as "toss-up": Florida (FL), Pennsylvania (PA), Ohio (OH), Michigan (MI), North Carolina (NC),Virginia (VA), Colorado (CO), Wisconsin (WI), Iowa IO), Nevada (NV) and New Hampshire (NH).
With only 177 hours left in the 2012 presidential campaign, Obama leads in seven of the toss-ups, Romney leads in two, and in CO and VA as of Saturday the candidates are now tied.
In descending order of 'percentage of lead' in favor of Obama, followed in ascending order of 'percentage of lead' in favor of Romney, here are the published averaged numbers from RCP as of 3:35pm EST today together with the FiveThirtyEight election night probability of victory for either candidate:
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In PA, with 20 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 4.7%.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 94.8% chance of winning PA, up from yesterday's 94.4%.
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In MI, with 16 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 4.0%.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 98.3% chance of winning MI, up from Saturday's 98.2%.
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In NV, with 6 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 2.4%.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama an 80.5% chance of winning NV, up from yesterday's 80.1%.
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In WI, with 10 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 2.3%.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama an 86.8% chance of winning WI, up from yesterday's 86.3%.
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In IO, with 6 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 2.3%.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 72.7% chance of winning IO, up from yesterday's 72.3%.
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In NH, with 4 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 2.0%.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 71.5% chance of winning NH, up from yesterday's 70.5%.
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In OH, with 18 electoral votes, Obama's lead has fallen to 1.9%, down from 2.1% yesterday.
Interestingly, FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 74.9% chance of winning OH, up from yesterday's 73.5%.
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In VA, with 13 electoral votes, the race remains tied.
However, FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 59.9% chance of winning VA, up from yesterday's 59.8%.
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In CO, with 9 electoral votes, the race remains tied.
However, FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 58.2% chance of winning CO, up from yesterday's 57.7%.
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In FL, with 29 electoral votes, Romney's lead has fallen to 1.4%, down from 1.5% yesterday.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Romney a 62.5% chance of winning FL, down from yesterday's 63.8%.
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In NC, with 15 electoral votes, Romney's lead has fallen to 3.0%, down significantly from yesterday's 3.8%.
FiveThirtyEight continues to give Romney an 82.5% chance of winning NC.
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So…
For Obama to win re-election, the easiest route still appears to be through maintaining his current lead in the four toss-up states in which his existing margins are widest, PA, MI, NV, and WI, together with OH where his lead has been hovering at a vulnerable 2.0% for the past few days. Doing so would bring his electoral vote total on Election Day to 271. In this scenario, Obama could still surpass 270 while failing to hold either IO or NH.
However, should Obama fail to hold OH, the loss could effectively be neutralized by any of the following combination of wins from states where FiveThirtyEight is currently predicting Obama victories:
Path #1: Obama loses OH but wins IO, NH, and CO resulting in 272 electoral votes.
Path #2: Obama loses OH but wins IO and VA resulting in 272 electoral votes.
Path #3: Obama loses OH but wins CO and VA resulting in 275 electoral votes.
However, regarding Path #1, there is some question as to the accuracy of the RCP polling numbers in NH which still include in their average a recent 'outlier' finding from UNH which had Obama leading by a questionable 9.0%.
For Romney to unseat Obama, he not only would have to hold the two states in which he presently leads, FL and NC, although his leads in these two states have been falling for days, bringing his electoral vote total to 235, but also steal victories in CO where his lead fell from 0.4% on Friday to that of dead heat, in VA where his lead fell from 1.0% Saturday to another dead heat, and finally with OH where Obama's lead fell this morning to 1.9%. By so doing, Romney's electoral vote total would reach 275.
Should Romney take CO and VA but fail to take OH, he could overcome this shortfall by stealing WI and either IO or NH, resulting respectively in an electoral vote total of 273 or 271.
With only 177 hours of campaigning left, this one may come down to the wire…. and to the October jobs report.
Let's hope that Election Day is free of both voter fraud and voter intimidation and that eligible voters who have registered in good faith over the past six months are in fact able to vote on November 6; let's also hope that vote tabulation itself is performed honestly and accurately by both the election commissions and private corporations to whom this essential role is being entrusted.
In any case, it will be interesting to watch as election night unfolds.
another assblank joins the fray. is this all you guys have? 47%? Im a vet does that count? Tell me Einstein if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over expecting different results, then why are you voting O? dont answer because im sure it will be clever yet non informative. Vale
Steeler Fan, It's all a big con job! That's why Obama is running scared along with a bunch of you liberals. It appears that almost all of the polls could go either way based on the margin of error. It doesn't even matter what the number are, you can see the trend, and the trend isn't working in Obama's favor. If Obama was as great as you liberals think he is, this wouldn't even be a race. There's a disconnect somewhere and from what I can see it's a disconnect from reality for the liberals.
DINGDINGDING!!! Two posts in and we've got a race card. We've got a race card. Little later than usual for the race card throwers.
Caesar Augustus
In my heart ... but then there is the mind.
The mormons want to win the presidency so that they can be in charge of the world gov. when jesus returns. Mitt Romney thinks he is god walking on earth. Here is the link
http://www.wnd.com/2011/10/354721/
Any of you republicans hunting your lost "trickle down" after the election, look me up. I'm kinda rich, in a relative sorta way. You lay down where I tell you to and I'll be most happy to piss all over all of you. Course It'll cost each of you a small fee. Us democrats gotta make a living too. We pay taxes.
Ikarus what a terrible thing to waste. my sympathies
check the previous threads, they got their talking points first thing this morning.
TO: CheddarIsBetter who wrote:
President Obama walked into a disaster left by the previous Republican Administration. Everybody in the world knows that, EXCEPT Republicans who either deny it or can't seem remember a darn thing.
Republicans cannot blackmail their way into office by holding our economy hostage until we do what Republicans want us to do, which is EXACTLY why I'M voting a straight Democrat Ticket on November 6, so that the Republican Party will no longer have any control over me, my vote, or my womb!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
The most corrupt administrations this country has ever had have been Republicans: Nixon and Reagan.
Count the number of people from each that have been CONVICTED FELONS.
The GOP hasn't changed, its just hiding the crimes better.
you forgot W. i mean after all i hear war crimes a lot on here. So if Reagan and Nixon were corrupt I wonder what you think of Whitewater and Fast and Furious and Bengahzi? I think all of politics is corrupt, now and forever.
really and im sure you have some proof to back that up or is it you just dislike the GOP so much you'll just mislead. Seriously you guys have Edwards, Rangel, Weiner, Cherokee Warren, Berkley. I think there is plenty of dispicable humans to go around regardless of party.
Caesar Augustus- said :
"Im a vet does that count?"
Only if they let puppies and kitties vote!
I served in the Military too. That makes me and you a VETERAN. Not a Veterinarian, a Vegetarian or a Vet..
Got it ( to use what you like to call others ) assblank?
Feisty,
Your comments are really, really STUPID.
Signs of a desperate campaign:
1) Tells a flagrant lie about Chrysler shipping the entire Jeep assembly line to China, then runs misleading advertisement based on that lie.
2) Has one of his top surrogates shamelessly race bait after Colin Powell endorsed Obama.
3) Has the Reich Wing media continue with their war fantasies about how the US should have intervened militarily in Benghazi despite Willard already being on record for his agreement with the President's policies in Libya, Egypy, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Iran and Pakistan.
PS, anyone care to comment on that new poll showing North Carolina all tied up. Looks like Willard was counting his chickens before they hatched again!
Chrysler says that he is NOT telling the truth.....but that does not stop Willards Campaign of Lies!
Why do you guys care where Fiat builds it's cars?
Ah, poor Al - invoking the Nazis.
Desperation or clueless-ness? Oh well, no matter, losing is hard.
Hey WCA - did you know the Tigers were doomed as soon as O picked them?
Classic reverse Midas touch.
Odd that Dennis from Ohio ain't been around today. He just kept telling us no poll had Mitt up in Ohio.
So very yesterday.
Obama is great at picking losers! Solyndra.
Hey Spanky, Obama picked the White Sox to win the division, too.
Pretty sure the Bears are asking him to stay away.
Pulling campaign staff out of North Carolina may prove to be a fatal mistake for Wrongme. I think McCain did the very same thing in 2008. If he had stayed and pushed, he might have won it.
Wrongme's official line was that they had it sewn up, and redeployed to other battleground states. I say they knew the tide was turning and it was already lost.
Wait til they have to explain how Mitt wants to do away with FEMA, at the same time Republican governors have their hands out for aid.
I picked the Giants in Spring, but then dang, why am I not winning? No one knows where I was born. Save yourselves America, I will not turn your guns into 25% buckets. I will erase the Commie Red from the GOP .... hmmm green is not good ... pink is too gay ... yellow? can't go there ... blue? Puuurrrfect.
Deflection noted. Care to address NC being tied?
Please do check in a week from Wednesday just to let us know that you are OK. I know losing is hard and I do worry about you.
WCA-
Really, shouldn't you be a little kinder, as your predictions haven't exactly panned out either...
Miggy now shares a special distinction with Carlos Beltran...I still smart from that one...
Robme's whole campaign strategy was based on him LYING in the big media, and his "handlers" taking it back the next day in smaller media. Now his handlers don't even bother to correct the LIES. And robme campaign and RNC announced last week robme ( the cowardly) would not answer questions from the press , nor give interviews until AFTER the election. What a FOOL ! He really does think we are all stupid !
Ah Yes, the 'cant explain why our canidate sucks so lets bust out the right wing nazi comparisons'. Hey Al you realize Nazi's hated capitalism and banned private gun ownership. You think the republicans are like that? a lot of high ranking individuals within the Nazi party were anti semites. seems to me a lot of lefty posters in here bare a semblance of anti semitism constantly bashing jews and israel. Stupid comparisons though eh?
How come the MSM is not reporting on the voting machine issue in Ohio and Colorado and other places.A study was done whicn definitely shows cheating in the Repulican primaries.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/27/1150533/-Part-Two-Further-Analyses-Shows-Republican-Election-Fraud
Why are people not speaking out on this low dirty handed crap that is going on.Whether they be Rep. or Dem.
http://www.change.org/petitions/attorney-general-eric-holder-investigate-tagg-romney-owning-voting-machines-in-ohio?utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&utm_term=7377965
http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/romney_ohio/index_2012.html?utm_expid=16130742-25&rc=fb_share2&r_by=-6446937-B8r_lwx&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fl.php%3Fu%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fact.credoaction.com%252Fcampaign%252Fromney_ohio%252F%253Frc%253Dfb_share2%2526r_by%253D-6446937-B8r_lwx%26h%3DvAQEKSN6rAQGzAbcsNYLUhuO2KgSR0b_Sldmjw-Ocjtct6A%26enc%3DAZMoy9oKnyrIfqIhgO-JnCzqDfroodXNW-fSA6ppq70QjE04qWNEEYJobVzJhaz0HESqIimCpZ4z1ZuvmDSiDVJh%26s%3D1
Here is the article about Ohio
http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/romney_ohio/index_2012.html?utm_expid=16130742-25&rc=fb_share2&r_by=-6446937-B8r_lwx&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fl.php%3Fu%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fact.credoaction.com%252Fcampaign%252Fromney_ohio%252F%253Frc%253Dfb_share2%2526r_by%253D-6446937-B8r_lwx%26h%3DvAQEKSN6rAQGzAbcsNYLUhuO2KgSR0b_Sldmjw-Ocjtct6A%26enc%3DAZMoy9oKnyrIfqIhgO-JnCzqDfroodXNW-fSA6ppq70QjE04qWNEEYJobVzJhaz0HESqIimCpZ4z1ZuvmDSiDVJh%26s%3D1
I listed three reason why your candidate sucks and you and Spanky didn't address a single one of them. Instead you two decided to make an issue of my play on words of writing Reich instead of Right. In the interest of meeting your concerns, please accept the following revision of my orignal post:
3) Has the Right Wing media continue with their war fantasies about how the US should have intervened militarily in Benghazi despite Willard already being on record for his agreement with the President's policies in Libya, Egypy, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Iran and Pakistan.
Happy now? Please feel free to address without any fantasies about bodies being dragged through the streets of Benghazi.
well lets address why I wont. When you talk about 'Reich Wing' (you have very little knowledge of Nazi Germany) then i am not inclined to discuss. However #2 would you care to site where Romney 'ordered' anyone to race bait? After all Obama cheerleading news channel and website aka NBC/FR race baits daily and you seem to have no problems there.
#3 I dont know if any media outlet mentioned intervening in Benghazi militarily. I do know that some would ahave liked to see increased security. Romney may have agreed with policies (how general that is) vs the security or lack of.
Feel free to continue to compare Republicans with Nazi's but know this, GODWIN LAW.
John Sununu is a seasoned politician and knew what he was doing.
Google is your friend.
long live Caesar Augustus!!!
what did you say about deflecting, again where did Romney give this order?
Hey btw Al you know who typically guards US embassies in both hot and cold zones? US Marines do. military. The way you framed question #3 indicates that some News Orgs were advocating for military involvement via invasion. After all you did state 'war fantasies'. Poor Form Al.
bipolar echo
Render unto Caesar
Caesar Augustus, i am with you dude, keep those posts coming.
I would say calling for an air strike in Benghazi would be an act of war. Why else would Faux News refer to the distance US planes would have to travel. Were they going to participate in an air show. Wait, here is more. Per Newsmax, John Bolton, one of Willard's top military guys said:
Ted Patrick
How come the MSM is not reporting on the voting machine issue in Ohio and Colorado and other places.
Because a simple thing called research shows them to be nothing more than impossible.
The voting machines were purchased before Bain & Taggarts Capital company AFTER the states bought the machines. The Election Boards have people who were trained to calibrate, program and maintain them. There is no online way for the voting machines to be logged into by the manufacturer to tamper with them. Here is just one of a number of links to more credible news sources.
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/10/ohio_voting_machines_are_not_c.html#incart_m-rpt-2
BTW: I find far right wing sites just as case building on half information as left wing sites. Seems like there are more left sites though.
Obama not going to win regardless of what polls say
Obama IS going to win regardless of what you say. Obama has the electoral votes already lined up, brainiac....
Who's winning? President Obama, of course. Who's whining? That would be the other guy. You know, the liar who won't be chief.
Why are all the polls today showing Romney sinking? I just heard Romney is trailing Obama in Virginia by 4. Wonder if the pollsters really know how to play their thingamajigs?
Mac, I understand you have your guy and thats fine; Romney may not win but to say he is sinking is just not right. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
@jrl-281852#4.3: Sorry if I offended you. Didn't mean to. I was repeating what I had just heard on an ABC affiliate. I was only pointing out how quickly poll reports change.
Mac
I just heard Romney is trailing Obama in Virginia by 4.
I follow the polls and look at the internals. The Poll you are quoting is a Washington Post Poll. They did not give any internals. I don't like this because many that don't disclose the methodology there is usually out of balance methods being used.
Take a Pa Susquehanna Poll a couple of weeks ago. I heard about it because it was accidentally released. It claimed Romney to be up in PA. Here after some digging i found the poll had 8% Independents and both republicans and Demcrats in the 40% range.
The there was the PPP poll this weekend in OHIO. Obama +4. PPP used 43% Democrats (4 points over the 2008 turnout). In 2008, many republicans stayed home and some voted for Obama. 2012 is different, the republicans are out in force and will not be voting for Obama. 2008 was a drop of 9 points from 40% to 31%. Republicans because they conservatives did not like McCain at all and from the 2004 election high of 40%. The turnout is going to be heavy fore both and will turn out 37% Democrat and 36 or 37% Republican.
@DB Akron#4.5: Thanks for the backup. You and I are on opposing sides, but, as I have told you before, I very much respect you. Now, do what you can for the sum-bitch Romney. He needs all the help He can get. Best regards
Mac, if you read this, let me assure you that I took no offence to your comment, simply a difference of opinion. Good Luck
Obama is plummeting in the polls because Americans cannot trust him after what happened in Libya on September 11, 2012. The campaigner in chief neglected to send in a rescue team while the ambassador pleaded for help for seven hours. Then Hillary and the POTUS lied for weeks about it. Incredibly, NBC News / Brian Williams act as if nothing is wrong.
American voters are not stupid. The polls prove it.
Americans died and OBAMA LIED!! He than has the gaul to go out on the stump and say that the american people need a president they can trust. WHAT A LIAR!
Romney is plummeting in the polls because Americans cannot trust him after that Big Lie he told about Chrysler shipping jobs overseas.
After the American People saw Chrysler tell Romney directly that they were NOT shipping jobs overseas, and that Chrysler was shipping JEEPS overseas, Romney still refused to retract his LIE.
Americans don't trust Romney cause he's a bold-faced liar.
Obama/Biden 2012
In a lying contest Obama would be awarded the Gold Medal by the judges before Romney opened his mouth.
It would almost be worth it to have Obama win, just to watch the lefty handouters in the streets rioting and burning, when Obama can't fund their handout programs any more.
Drudge,
You say Obama is plummeting in the polls? Care to share what your smoking?
So American Girl-724855 the posters just stated an istance where Obama lied to everyone. Yet you ignore that comment and state Romney lies. Tell me what exactly has Obama done over the last 4 years?
This is what the "SUPER-POLL" proves . . . .
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/29/oct-28-in-swing-states-a-predictable-election/#more-36832
NATE SILVER CARES ABOUT BEING ***CORRECT*** AND RELIABLE; HE IS NON-PARTISAN AND WEIGHS/AGGREGATES ***ALL*** OF THE POLLS; His success depends on ACCURACY, and he cares more about being correct than about any particular candidate.
OH: 74.9% chance of Obama winning (of votes already counted from early voting, 60% - Obama; 30% Robme)
IOWA: 72.7% of Obama winning
VA: 59.9% chance of Obama winning
COLO: 58.2% chance of Obama winning
NEV: 80.5% chance of Obama winning
DEM's - don't take this for granted - VOTE as soon as you can . . . . and stay safe out there, y'all!
O & JOE, 2012 - MYTH ROBE 1040'S (he lied about his Mass taxes, & he's lying to us about his Fed taxes)
I guess that is why President is winning in most important states and Romney WILL LOOSE THIS ELECTION!!!!!!
All the super pac money that has been infested into his campaign is going to waste! That just shows you...you can't win elections by how much money you have. POOR MITT! He wants to be President so bad, he will do anything to achieve his goal and to lie about where he wants to take this country.
This country won't be better off with him in office. He is for the fat cats.
Our country is finally starting to show promise so why would we need to change course and try something different expecially if Ryan is on the ticket. That would be diastrous!
Woody Look at the graphs in this article and see who is lying the most, It is mitt romney by at least 10 to 1, as for mitt telling the truth 0%, that was 0%.
http://current.com/groups/news-blog/93931861_public-taking-greater-notice-of-mitt-romneys-lies.htm
Good Night, Chet
From the article above:
Remember the days of Eric Sevareid, Walter Cronkite, Chet Huntley and David Brinkley?
I do.
Those were 20 years BEFORE Faux, when News was called NEWS.
Democrats, Republicans and Independents ALL WATCHED THE SAME NEWS.
And America had the GREATEST STANDARD OF LIVING THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN.
So now, we live in an era where the consumer gets to CHOSE the news that is more agreeable with their own political views instead of just watching THE NEWS.
How disgusting is that.
If you don’t understand that CONSERVATIVE MEDIA organizations like FAUX, RUSH, and DRUDGE are the MAIN reasons for the division in this country the last 20 years, then there is no hope for you, OR this Great Country.
Salud
....and of course the auto industry has been SO honest with its unions, and with the American Public over the years......
I don't know what polls you ObamaPHILES are reading.
But Mitt is ahead in 5 of the nations top 10 polls, he's tied with Obama in 2, and behind by less than 2 points in 3 other polls.
The top two most historically accurate polls, Gallup and Rasmussen, have Romney in the lead.
Gallup has him up by 5 full points, and he's up by an average of .9% in all polls combined.
So, I'm so sorry to inform you, but America is no longer drinking the Obama flavored Kool-Aid.
Its time for REAL leadership folks!
DEMOCRATS FOR ROMNEY, 2012!!!!!
And?
There's a reason I don't do a daily national tracking poll analysis. Because the popular vote really doesn't matter. Romney has basically no realistic path to the presidency right now.
The ones which aren't reported by FAUX News:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100186641/nate-silver-the-geeky-statistician-who-is-singlehandedly-dismantling-the-myth-of-mitt-mentum/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/the-momentum-myth/2012/10/25/f7fc67a6-1eaf-11e2-8817-41b9a7aaabc7_blog.html
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/10/25/romneys_momentum_seems_to_have_stopped.html
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2012/10/24/obamas-electoral-college-edge-trumping-romney-momentum-message
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100186846/in-the-2012-election-the-mainstream-medias-stranglehold-on-the-political-narrative-has-finally-been-broken/
In other words, you'd have to be very gullible to think Romney has a chance.
TO: ZMan2012 who wrote:
["Chrysler says that he is NOT telling the truth...""
One thing's for sure, Romney is NOT telling the truth about Chrysler.
Republicans had another guy that lied to the American People too, George "Curveball" Bush.
No wonder Republican Politicians lie so much, because their zombie followers just love it!
"President Obama is an honest man." "Romney is wrong." Russian President, Vladamire Putin
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
True, Michael,
But I hear he has a staff of voting machine programmers on retention in Ohio and Florida,...
priceless, right?
Chrysler knows nothing about the auto industry. Why, Wrongme's dad was in the business 50 years ago. HE has his finger on the pulse of the auto industry! And his other hand is going for the wallet.
Send Wrongme back to whichever of the six states he claims is his home state. Michigan, MA, NH, or CA. Just send him back to one of his mansions and he can decide where his home state is later.
ZMan2012
....and of course the auto industry has been SO honest with its unions, and with the American Public over the years......
I don't know what polls you ObamaPHILES are reading.
But Mitt is ahead in 5 of the nations top 10 polls, he's tied with Obama in 2, and behind by less than 2 points in 3 other polls.
The top two most historically accurate polls, Gallup and Rasmussen, have Romney in the lead.
Gallup has him up by 5 full points, and he's up by an average of .9% in all polls combined.
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Um, any fool knows that both the Rasmussen and Gallup polls are right leaning. You want to try again pencil-dik?
@ZMan2012
"Chrysler says that he is NOT telling the truth....."
...and ZMan posts:
You really should stop demonizing employee union workers...but then you are free to believe any or all of the lies that Willard spouts!
........................Please Proceed ZMan...........................
CHILLED: Z-man has been poisoned by the RWNJ media machine . . . . so he has not learned that he has the UNIONS to thank for his weekends and paid holidays . . . . and other things, like minimum wage.
If he did any research, or had any education, he would know how hard the unions fought for all of us to have a 40-hour work-week, etc.
But the GOP/TB's want the RWNJ's to think of the unions as evil . . . . because they are the same people who want to kill the 47%.
Sometimes I think we reasonable educated progressives should just abandon these comments and let the RW/GOP/TB's do their circle-jerk and sit here yelling at one another. Yet we all keep trying to educate them.
I keep wondering why - it's starting to feel like a waste of time.
O& JOE - forward! (Myth Robme: go back to one of the states you haven't bough yet, please!)
So true KJNC.....
I've never seen anything like this hatred for someone elses profession....so I keep trying...guess I gotta' let go.......of course those union haters do have the option 'never accept a union job'!
Silvers is using pretty much only polls that are using 2008 as a trend or the model for 2012. 2008 was a peak in the swing of the pendulum according to 2010 AND partisan polling tests as done monthly by Gallup and Rasmussen the pendulum is swing back toward the Republicans.
The Lyin' Mormon Bishop will say ANYTHING to ANYONE to sieze power.
He is utterly incapable of being truthful to the American People.
Bob - the Mormon Tabernacle Liar hopefully will be sent back to whatever state he's now claiming as his "home" state- or the Caymans!!!
Obama/Biden 2012
Come on, Domenico,
The Cincinnati poll was finished on the 18th, at the tail end of the period when the polls in Ohio were flipping back and forth. The only really hopeful poll for the pro-Romney folks since then is today's Rasmussen result.
It says Oct. 18-23rd. However, the same poll only had Obama at 51% in September, when every other Ohio poll had him way ahead. I wonder if the poll skews right.
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20121028/NEWS010601/310280047/Ohio-poll-Tight-race-now-even-tighter
Obama is still up by 4 points in Ohio on the polls.
MSDNC trying to make odumbo look like he is doing better than what every poll in the nation is saying. Humm
General Election: Romney vs. Obama
Rasmussen Reports
Romney 49, Obama 47
Romney +2
Ohio: Romney vs. Obama
Rasmussen Reports
Obama 48, Romney 50
Romney +2
Florida: Romney vs. Obama
CNN/Opinion Research
Romney 50, Obama 49
Romney +1
Colorado: Romney vs. Obama
ARG
Obama 47, Romney 48
Romney +1
General Election: Romney vs. Obama
Gallup
Romney 51, Obama 46
Romney +5
General Election: Romney vs. Obama
ABC News/Wash Post
Romney 49, Obama 48
Romney +1
That's 'every' poll? Wow. Are just color blind to 'blue' when you go to aggregator sites?
You wish.
You may go to Real Clear Politics just like the rest of us to get the polling facts. No wishing about it. It is what it is.
BOO YAH
The problem with Rasmussen and Gallup is they don't use cellular phones in their surveys, they only use land-line phones.
This effectively eliminates a pretty good percentage of younger voters, since younger people are more likely to have a cell phone and less likely to have a land line.
Rasmussen actually had McCain ahead in the race until about a week before the last election.
Gallup and Rasmussen have been the most reliable and accurate polling institutions in the last 20 years. Dont know what your talking about. And yes, just read an article saturday thAT both use cell phone data as well.
BOO YAH
titansidewinder - in your mind only!
Obama/Biden 2012
You're right. It is what it is. The only thing at RCP that shows a trendline for Romney is the national vote. Almost all of the battleground states still show a structural advantage for Obama, unless you happen to just be looking at the results there that favor Romney.
Titansidewinder is clearly a right winger. So why should we believe your little bias Rasmussen and RCP Poll. If Rasmussen is so accurate then why in the hell he had Mccain leading in OH, FL, VA last election. What was the results, Obama won all 3 states and it wasn't even close. Keep drinking that Rasmussen kool-aid. Next tuesday you and Rasmussen can go hibernate together.
Michael is right, RCP gives a national Poll. RCP does not break down the stats of Polling in State by State Polls. Right winger love to use RCP and Rasmussen because it make Romney number look Good. Fools... They hope and dreams will crash around 10 pm next tuesday.
The polls are so skewed it's very hard to know. unskewed is a good site. They try.
I know tha ancdotal evidence is out there. The Obama mania is not out there. Here in Colorado it seems nobody wants to put Obama on their cars - Bumper sticker sales are darn near zero.
The young voters are not even bothering to vote. They feel betrayed.
The water cooler talk is something needs to change. There ya' go.
One guy's subjective observations of bumper sticker sales. What a goof.
Money Money Money,
I find it troubling that a few of the richest guys in the nation are on an agenda to buy the white house and the power and influence it contains. I do not trust Romney because of Money i do not care that he is a Mormon Bishop. My bible say that it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom than for a camel to enter the of a needle(Needles Gate). The lesson is that he will make sure he maintains his wealth by whatever means necessary. Even though his intentions may be good there is another law at work that governs him and it is not altruism. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer still.
But he isn't the only etch a sketch person Franklin Graham (an avowed Obama hater) changed years of church tradition and took Mormonism off its lists of Cults hmmm! What prompted him to deviate from a long standing belief of the Fundamental belief of cults Free Masonry is still listed!
For anyone who believes that racsim isnt at the core of this anti Obama movement is walking around with blinders on their eyes and wax in their ears. To say the gaining one job is not better than losing hundreds of jobs is ludicris.
The nation as a whole is better than when the President took office thats a record to stand on. Yes there are individuals to whom things didnt work out for but you had those in boom years, but now its happening to you or people you know. Things are getting better.
People are complaining about failed solar panel stimulus loans, but while those companies had those loans their employees enjoyed getting paid. Their families enjoyed eating so the company didnt last the opportunity was availiable to them.
thats like Ohio, a lot of republicans I know are voting third party, to me thats throwing away your vote.
I keep reading "What is wrong with Romney"? The questions are "Why are the polls neck to neck"? and "What the hell is wrong with America"? There is no contest here, Mitt Romney is the worst candidate for the White House since Sarah Palin, Sarah was dumb but she was definitely not the liar Romney is.
Romney in a electoral LANDSLIDE!! OBAMA is just being held up with all the lame stream media bias.
Ba BYE!
Mitt Romney is further to the right than George W. Bush, and just as much a puppet for the Wall Street barons. Would America really elect a Bain Capital CEO after the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression which was caused by just such reckless people? Are we really that stupid?
No, Amy, we're not. They were just testing us.
Yes they will the same people who voted for George W. even while watching what a disaster he was will vote for Romney and they cannot even admit that George was a disaster. It would be different if Romney was offering something different than George W.
Obama is going down - one word - "Benghazi."
ever since americans saw obama in that first debate its been romney surging and obama retreating . forget the personal opinions facts are facts except to liberals cause they upset their fantasy world. ROMNEY / RYAN 2012. every personal attack on romney has backfired simply cause they are based on fabricated self opinionated lies and americans are sick and tired of it. just look at the polls especially in ohio. '' somebodies closer'' .
I watched the first debate and I thought Obama was more persuasive than the hyper-excited, say-anything, rat-a-tat lie-spewing Mitt Romney.
But, then, I like calm, steady Presidents, with experience. Never big on weathervanes for a leader.
Long as they are passing out, freebies, right?
There are those of you who believe Romney may have received a surge after the 1st debate. Mitt's surge if any had nothing to do with any debate but with the big "R"monster dwelling in America. It's hard for some to acknowledge "Racism" because it has been a part of their diet since birth, therefore it's a way of life. Hopefully the spirit of 2008 will awaken and our sons and daughters will this time strike a deadly blow against this monster aka Racism.
lmao did a Romney spokesperson just say flailing spin? If so, i hope he wasnt talking about his candidates positions on every issue at the debates! lol
This great storm is God's way of giving voters one last chance to see what a hypocrit Romney is since he has already said he would end F.E.M.A. has it now exists. Warning republicans God is trying to tell you something just as he did when he sent the hurricane to the republican national convention.
I am sorry, but when are people going to realize that the president does not control everything that goes on in this country? People want to talk about how Obama this, Obama that. HELLO, it take Congress to do things in this country too. People are so out of touch it isn't even funny.
It's so easy to pass blame on the top guy, even though he doesn't have as much power to pass law as people think he does. Simply amazing that people are that stupid.
The "top guy" is supposed to be a leader and therefore have influence on what Congress does. They aren't buying him. They see the narcissist he is and it is his way or no way. That you CAN blame on him. He has no leadership skills to bring factions together. He would rather blame, deflect, and separate. You know, the old divide and conquer routine. Sad but true.
Talk to the Hand.....Some of us would just appreciate it if you would just talk to yourself or better yet blog to yourself.
I am sure you would eyeopener. Sure don't want anyone opening your eyes for real now would we?
EYEOPENER,we were thinking the same about you! Talk to the hand,keep those posts coming dude.
It is time for America to elect a new President.
One who is not an ideologue (like our last 2).
One who is a proven leader and problem solver. Enough of this R vs. D B.S.
Mitt Romney has succeeded in business, at the Olympics, and as Gov. of MA.
Obama proved nothing as State Senator, US Senator, and has showed no leadership as President.
Time for a turnaround America, a new morning is on the horizon.
Mitt Romney was in the Olympics? Did he win a gold medal?
Your definition of "succeeded" is awfully liberal. This is a man who was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple. He never had to interview for a job, worry about being laid off or making a mortgage payment. The man is totally out of touch.
I am no longer worrying about it, I have done everything I can, to elect Romney.
One way or the other, I will be done with the inept lying quasi socialist in the white house.
He will be dumped, or I will be manufacturing product in Central America, be fore he takes the oath of office.
Good bye and good riddance you traitorous a-hole...
O&JOE2012
Traitorous???
Sorry handouter nothing patriotic about staying here and fund the handout programs for the dem parasites.
Why not leave and take your piss poor attitude with you. No one wants the substandard crap you and the retards that work for you make anyway.
Noone will miss you Romney Jr. why don't you go no matter who is elected. You want to go and you are only looking for an excuse just like almost all republicans you are a hypocrit and you probably want to go hire kids and pay them with food. Can't let them get to far from your factory they might starve. Typical repub.
...you still here?
Don't let the door hit you, woody
A new day with a brighter future is upon us.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012
General Election: Romney vs. Obama
Rasmussen Reports
Romney 49, Obama 47
Romney +2
Ohio: Romney vs. Obama
Rasmussen Reports
Obama 48, Romney 50
Romney +2
Florida: Romney vs. Obama
CNN/Opinion Research
Romney 50, Obama 49
Romney +1
Colorado: Romney vs. Obama
ARG
Obama 47, Romney 48
Romney +1
General Election: Romney vs. Obama
Gallup
Romney 51, Obama 46
Romney +5
General Election: Romney vs. Obama
ABC News/Wash Post
Romney 49, Obama 48
Romney +1
BOO YAH
You are repetitive, wrong, and a piece of trash. stfu.
Thank you brenda, I couldnt have said it better. I'm so sick of idiots like that going on an on about some Polls that look good for Romney. I wish that idiot come on this site next wednesday after Obama is re-elected.
Jason its called freedom of speech,
Why didn't you list the GWU/Politico poll that came out that shows President Obama is up again among women 54/43 percent? No Pew research poll? No Ipsos poll? You do know that the state of Florida usually leads in early voting for Republicans because of the early mail in ballots Republicans prefer? They led early voting 4 yrs. ago, and well...we all know how that turned out. How about that new poll out of NC, that shows the race tied, where many had predicted the state for Romney. I'd hold off on the "booyah's" for now if I were you. You're gonna look pretty stupid when president Obama wins re-election.
Look at Real Clear who runs a running average on MSNBC ... Romney up 1 percent...That is average of them all....Again not a case for either side to celebrate. Not very good for a 'Sitting President ", historically the undecided breaks for the challenger.
The Obama campaign is grasping for straws. This election is all but over. I'd like to see a polling of early voters rather than a poll of possible voters. I believe that would be a true indication of who's leading. And I believe it would show Romney in the lead.
As I see it, most voters have already made up their minds and their minds can't be changed. What's left are the few who haven't made their minds up. What will hurt Obama is that there's a sizable group who voted for Obama 4 years ago. Because of his poor showing in office, they won't vote for him again. But these same people don't like Romney either. So rather than vote for the best of what they consider to be two "evils", they won't vote at all. Advantage Romney.
You're an idiot if you think Obama isn't leading in early voting. Is Romney doing better than McCain with early voters...absolutely. But I repeat, you're an idiot if you think with the ground operation President Obama has, he isn't leading in early voting. Don't listen to what Romney campaign tells you, listen to what common sense tells you.
And.................tied in OHIO.
BOO YAH
According to what NATIONAL poll?
DemocRAT retards a plenty on this site... HAHAHA... O is losing badly - everywhere!!! BUT these tards, going down with the ship, are still believing in their failed emperor...
It will be a great day when Romney is sworn in as the next POTUS... The economy will come back to life and jobs will return along with honor and character to the office of the president...
Obla bla's mission to destroy America has failed!! Progressive-ism has failed... HAHAHAHA
President Obama is only losing in the minds of Republicans...which is a very small loss, to say the least. The "great" day won't be when the president is sworn in. No, the great day will be Nov. 7, when Republicans awake to find a newly re-elected President Obama. I'm going to laugh...and laugh...and laugh...
Naw, I suspect that 5 years from then we will be talking about the Romney Recession. It will dwarf the Bush Recession!
With the recent polls giving Romney the edge overall and in most states, including Ohio, it will be great to watch all the whining, hate, moving out of america, and "not my president' crying come next wednesday. That's what will be most fun to watch coming out of most of you Democrats.
The only poll that matters is the final tally of the electorate college. I'm saying Romney by a landslide.
Romney hasn't been truthful the entire campaign, why would he start being truthful now. Only 9 more days listening to the dribble coming from the lunatics and religious fanatics supporting Willard......then their fantasy evaporates.
I'm starting a pool on where Romney will self deport to after the election...
1. Mexico - to be closer to his roots
2. Cayman Islands - to be closer to his money
3. China - to be closer to his core
Hopefully he takes Trump with him.
Maybe you should start a pool on how many businesses leave the USA with in 180 days of Obama taking the Oath of Office again.
Greed makes businesses move and they have been doing it for years. If you have a business why are you not running it rather than wasting your time on your computer?
@ Woody
Hopefully he takes your retarded ass with him when he self deports.....
No truer statement. Labor unions have allowed workers with no education and little skills to make six figures and ridiculous pensions. Something is wrong when a bus driver, firefighter or someone slapping a door on a car command higher wages and benefits than engineers and nurses.
Road Warrior
Labor Unions are now and has been a CANCER on this Nation for years. I yearn for the day when Unions will no longer exist, and it WILL happen just like slavery did.
As for Obama winning in the polls, his best days are in the past.
Gov. Romney will make your life and your future much better than Obama who has failed the American people in so many ways.
May God Bless and have mercy our Nation.
If Romney wins, this nation will need some "mercy", and unless you're in that 1%, so will you.
Should Mitt Romney win, and I offer "Please God - Prevent this disaster" I believe that we will see attacks on wealthy people by the 47%, and it could turn into a blood bath. The United States is teetering on the edge, and if people see every safety net pulled from under them, what is left to loose? Mitt Romney represents the elite of America and when you compare the total numbers, the haves may have more than the have-nots, but the have-nots have nothing else to loose.
Good Point prog.1: There are different types of small businesses, some with one or two people working in the business. There are businesses that provide minimum wage work, such as Lawn Care and even McDonald's. Then there are people who started small business that employ hundreds, if not thousands of people, and some of those entrepreneurs stayed with the company, while others moved on to the next idea, leaving behind capable men and women to run the company. After seven companies, and dozens upon dozens of venture capital investors, I decided to let others fight the greed wars. During our forty-year run, we never had an employee quit. We did fire people, but we always found the person a job. We had minimal rules, and we held employee meetings every Friday, as long as one executive was in town for the meeting. In the early years we provided beer and pizza for the employee meetings until our insurance person was visiting on a Friday Afternoon. The beer went away, but the funds used for the beer stayed, and the funds were used for other employee needs over time. As entrepreneurs we came to realize that most people are not risk oriented, but there are loads of really capably people who can run a company, once the company is on it feet and successful, which is usually the fifth anniversary, at least that was our model. We never had unions, so I have little to offer on the subject, but I do believe that collective bargaining is needed when management looses focus and thinks only of themselves. My grandfather arrived in the United States through Ellis Island, and he started a very successful company. During the depression, he never sent one employee home. Everyone, including my grandfather, took several cuts in pay, but not one employee went home. He would remind me often, "Think first of your customers, think second of your employees, think last of yourself" and you create a triangle that cannot be flattened" Mitt Romney is not a guy I would have started a business with, and we only took money once from Bain Capital. After a few meetings and board meetings with Bain representatives, we knew their objectives were different from ours. We could talk for hours and share stories of the success of our employees, many still running the companies we started, but I offer one thought, "Greed never built a business, but greed sure can bring a business to its knees". I recently went to Freeport, IL after seeing a story on the news about the town and a company called Sensata. I find it hard to imagine why a business that produces close to $1 Billion in Net Profit Annually, needs to be moved offshore. The plant does not have a union, and the average wage is approximately $17.00 an hour. So why move the plant and the company's technology offshore? I will let all of you fight that one out, I am trying to figure out if we can start just one-more-company in Freeport, IL. There are 170 people who worked hard, made the company lots of money, and Bain Capital sold their dreams to China. Here in we find the lesson, "Greed can bring a business to its knees". My grandfather was a pretty nice guy, and I am betting he would not have wasted too much time on Mitt Romney.