
Jim Cole / AP
President Barack Obama waves to supporters as he arrives for a campaign event Saturday at Elm Street Middle School in Nashua, N.H.
NASHUA, N.H. – During a New Hampshire campaign stop Saturday, President Barack Obama focused on Mitt Romney’s record as governor of the state that’s less than an hour south of here, Massachusetts:
"During Governor Romney’s campaign for governor down there, he promised the same thing he's promising now -- said he'd fight for jobs and middle-class families. But once he took office, he pushed through a tax cut that overwhelmingly benefitted 278 of the wealthiest families in the state, and then he raised taxes and fees on middle-class families to the tune of $750 million… Now, when he's asked about this, he says, no these weren’t taxes, these were fees."
The president continued: "There were higher fees for blind people who needed to get a certificate that they were blind. He raised fees to get a birth certificate, which would have been expensive for me."
The campaign hopes that attacking Romney’s Massachusetts record is something that could resonate with the residents of New Hampshire and push their four electoral votes in his direction.
Obama also downplayed Romney’s business record.
"Massachusetts, when he was governor, ranked 48th in small-business creation. And one of the two states that ranked lower was Louisiana that had gotten hit by Hurricane Katrina. So this is a guy who has a track record of saying one thing and doing something else," he said.
Interestingly, that was the only hurricane the president spoke about during his remarks, neglecting to acknowledge Hurricane Sandy, which is bearing down on the East Coast.
However, the White House pointed out that the president is monitoring the situation. He convened a conference call with FEMA and Department of Homeland Security representatives Saturday while aboard Air Force One for a briefing on storm preparations.
After Saturday's event the president was asked by MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough about whether conflicting information about the situation surrounding the Benghazi attack was related to an intelligence community failure.
The president’s response:
"What my attitude on this is is if we find out there was a big breakdown and somebody didn’t do their job, they’ll be held accountable. Ultimately as Commander-in-Chief I am responsible and I don’t shy away from that responsibility."
The entire Morning Joe interview with the president will air on Monday morning on MSNBC.


As well the President should!
The facts of the matter are;
Willard issued OVER 800 veto's as Governor - YOU do the math! Calculating the time he actually spent on the job - this equals almost 2 per day!
Then there is this;
Answer me this... if Willard was such a GREAT Governor, why isn't he running on his record?
Mitt wants to destroy the bottom 47% and can't be trusted.
Mitt wants to cut taxes for the rich - worth $5 trillion, more deficit
Why doesn't Obama put everyone on welfare before he leaves ?
Obama's new jobs plan:
Get up bright and early at 12 PM
Go to the mail box
Get your welfare check
Take a break .
Gov. of Mass.
Mitt Romney BOUGHT the Governors seat of Mass. just like Rick Scott did in Fla.(60% of his campaign funds came from his own pocket)
Approx. 1 billion in new taxes.
Romney claims bi-partisanship as Gov. of Mass but:
To this day legislature still talk about how he tried to Govern like a CEO and dictate to the Legislature!
Used veto 600 times
250 vetos overturned by Legislature!!!
When he took office he announced to the legislature " I am going to show you how to really get money out of the Federal Gov't!!"
Balanced the budget. 2/3 of deficit was paid by federal Gov,t (A BAILOUT)
The other 1/3 he made such devastating cuts to Education Schools had to increase tuition by 63%
State population shrunk as people fled Mass. under his leadership( if you can call it that)
Obama leading in Mass. by about 15 points!! (They still remember Romney)
He went to the Olympics because of the Mormon church. Who owns most of Salt Lake City? Mormons! What group of businessmen stood to make a fortune from the Olympics? The Mormons!!!
After one term even his own party didn't want him for a second term!!! (Governor)
The people of Massachusetts love Republican governors. They elected 4 in a row, one after another for 17 years of Republican leadership.
After one term with Romney at the helm, the people of Massachusetts elected Deval Patrick, the first Democratic governor in 17 years.
Mitt Romney campaigned like the slick salesman he is, but once in office, the real Romney emerged. Romney raised every fee in Massachusetts, including certificates for the blind, TB tests, even tripling the cost of a gun license.
He was responsible for the 2nd largest per pupil education budget cut in history.
He gutted funding for social services, assistance for poor children in Massachusetts.
Romney left the state of Massachusetts with one of the lowest approval ratings in the nation, in the low 30's. #48 of 50 Governors!
The people of Massachusetts know him best. The people of Massachusetts overwhelmingly support President Obama.
Our analysis reveals a weak comparative economic performance of the state over the Romney years, one of the worst in the country.”-Andrew Sum and Joseph McLaughlin, Center for Labor Market Studies, Northeastern University, Boston Globe, 7.29.07
During Governor Romney’s term, Massachusetts fell from 36th to 47th out of 50 states in job creation, while the overall U.S. economy grew.
By the end of Governor Romney’s term, Massachusetts had lost more than 40,000 manufacturing jobs—a rate twice the national average.
Gov. Romney raised taxes on the middle class, but pushed through a tax cut that overwhelmingly benefited 278 of the wealthiest individuals in MA.
Under Mitt Romney, Massachusetts’ debt burden grew to the highest per person in the nation.
State spending increased every year while Romney was in office, and he left behind a $1 billion deficit for the next governor.
Governor Romney failed to protect good jobs in Massachusetts, and actually outsourced state jobs to India.
Mass. schools had a #1 rating long before Romney took office but he mentions this rating like he had something to do with it!!
His last year in office he wasn't even in the state for 200 of 365 days. Gone more than he was at work!!!
I never thought of what I do for a living as job creation. … The primary goal of private equity is to create wealth for your investors.
–Marc B. Wolpow, former managing partner at Bain Capital, the firm where Mitt Romney was CEO, who worked closely with Romney for nine yearsLos Angeles Times, 12/3/11
Jobs: 47th out of 50 states in job creation
Taxes and fees: Increased by $750 million per year
Long-term debt: Increased more than $2.6 billion
Obama's new fiscally responsible tax payer economic savings plan :
Use coupons and sale items when spending your food stamps
HA HA HA, because he wasn't a good GOV, and he has no good record :)
LMAO, you do realize the majority of Welfare states are RED !!!!!!!!!!
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/09/02/red-states-are-the-real-welfare-states/
Shouldn't Obama and Hillary be impeached ?
Robbarlow......could you not find a more objective journalist than Bill Kristol?
Osama Obama should focus on his ineptitude for country. Where is his budget. Where??? How can you support a president that has no budget? What would happen to your bank account if you did not balance your check book. You got it. BANKRUPT. Obama is bankrupting our country.
SWEET!
Previously banned multi-account re-reg Rob in MA has rejoined us! lmao
Enjoy it while YOU can little buddy!
The moderators will be back first thing Monday morning! ☺
Strange... NOT a ONE of you trolls can defend my accusations...
Women need jobs .
College grads need jobs .
Fisty,
We have just run out of toilet paper. Hell, tell us where Osama's budget is. You can't can you.
ONTOR
Repetition of statements is the surest path to welfare ... or men in white coats.
Hey Rob Ma, wassup dude?
Osama needs to stand down and put country first.
This reminds me about the LIE Myth Robme told about his Mass taxes . . . . remember?
He kept insisting that people had to "trust him" that he had paid taxes as a Mass resident, and therefore was eligible to run for Gov in Mass.
And lots of folks said, "show us your taxes."
And he said, "NO, I won't show you my taxes - trust me."
and then after he was elected, he DID show his taxes - and proved that HE HAD LIED!
He amended his taxes, after-the-fact.
Obama-Biden, 2012 . . . Myth Robme, 1040's!!!
Foul mouth presidents are disgusting .
Updated as of 8:00pm EST on Saturday, October 27:
Real Clear Politics (RCP) is consistently cited by both FOXNEWS and NBCNEWS as a current source for
reliable averaged polling data at every level of American politics.
RCP on Thursday returned North Carolina (NC) to the status of "toss-up state," and in so doing, reduced Romney's likely electoral vote tally from 206 to 191. However, Romney still holds a strong although rapidly declining lead of 3.8% in NC and remains the favorite to capture that state in the upcoming election.
In sum, RCP now considers the following eleven states, listed in descending order of electoral votes, as "toss-up": Florida (FL), Pennsylvania (PA), Ohio (OH), Michigan (MI), North Carolina (NC),Virginia (VA), Colorado (CO), Wisconsin (WI), Iowa IO), Nevada (NV) and New Hampshire (NH).
With only 10 days left in the 2012 presidential campaign, Obama leads in seven of the toss-ups, Romney leads in two, and in CO and VA as of late today the candidates are now tied.
In descending order of 'percentage of lead' in favor of Obama, followed in ascending order of 'percentage of lead' in favor of Romney, here are the published averaged numbers from RCP as of 8:00pm today together with the FiveThirtyEight election night probability of victory for either candidate:
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In PA, with 20 electoral votes, Obama's lead has fallen to 4.7%, down from 4.8% yesterday.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 94.0% chance of winning PA.
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In MI, with 16 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 4.0%.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 98.0% chance of winning MI.
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In NV, with 6 electoral votes, Obama's lead has fallen to 2.4%, down from 2.5% yesterday.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 78.8% chance of winning NV.
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In WI, with 10 electoral votes, Obama's lead has fallen to 2.3%, down from 2.7% on Thursday.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama an 85.7% chance of winning WI.
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In OH, with 18 electoral votes, Obama's lead has risen to 2.3%, up from 2.1% yesterday.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 76.3% chance of winning OH.
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In IO, with 6 electoral votes, Obama's lead has risen to 2.3%, up from 2.0% on Thursday.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 72.1% chance of winning IO.
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In NH, with 4 electoral votes, Obama's lead has risen to 1.4%, up from 1.1% yesterday.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 69.7% chance of winning NH.
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In CO, with 9 electoral votes, the race is tied, down from a Romney lead of 0.4% on Thursday.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 57.3% chance of winning CO.
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In VA, with 13 electoral votes, the race is tied, down from a Romney lead of 1.0% this morning.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama, and not Romney, a 54.1% chance of winning VA.
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In FL, with 29 electoral votes, Romney's lead has fallen to 1.8%, down from 2.1% on Thursday.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Romney a 62.9% chance of winning FL.
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In NC, with 15 electoral votes, Romney's lead has fallen to 3.8%, down from 5.0% on Thursday.
FiveThirtyEight currently gives Romney an 81.7% chance of winning NC.
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So…
For Obama to win re-election, the easiest route still appears to be through maintaining his existing lead in the five toss-up states where his current margins are widest: PA, MI, NV, WI, and OH. Doing so would bring his electoral vote total on Election Day to 271. In this scenario, Obama could still surpass 270 while failing to hold either IO or NH.
However, should Obama lose the critically important and highly-contested state of OH, the loss could effectively be neutralized by any of the following combination of wins from states where FiveThirtyEight is currently predicting Obama victories:
Path #1: Obama fails to hold OH but wins IO, NH, and CO resulting in 272 electoral votes.
Path #2: Obama fails to hold OH but wins IO and VA resulting in 272 electoral votes.
Path #3: Obama fails to hold OH but wins CO and VA resulting in 275 electoral votes.
However, regarding Path #1, there is some question as to the accuracy of the RCP polling numbers in NH which includes in their average a recent 'outlier' finding from UNH which has Obama leading by an overwhelming 9.0%.
For Romney to unseat Obama, he not only would have to hold the two states in which he presently leads, FL and NC, bringing his electoral vote total to 235, but also steal victories in CO where his lead fell from 0.4% yesterday to that of dead heat, in VA where his lead fell from 1.0% this morning to another dead heat, and finally with OH where Obama's lead rose this morning to 2.3%. By so doing, Romney's electoral vote total would reach 275.
Should Romney take CO and VA but fail to take OH, he could overcome this shortfall by stealing WI and either IO or NH, resulting respectively in an electoral vote total of 273 or 271.
With only ten days of campaigning left, this one may come down to the wire…. and to the October jobs report.
Let's hope that Election Day is free of both voter fraud and voter intimidation and that eligible voters who have registered in good faith over the past six months are in fact able to vote on November 6; let's also hope that vote tabulation itself is performed honestly and accurately by both the election commissions and private corporations to whom this essential role is being entrusted.
In any case, it will be interesting to watch as election night unfolds.
It seems like Obama and Hillary didn't care to save those in Libya .
msdncfuxmehard or what ever your tag lisne is....
what is that nonsence in yiur post mean?
wackos - that is all the left is comprised of.
@ONTOR - YOU ARE BEATING DEAD HORSES - NO ONE CARES.
MOST WELFARE RECIPIENTS LIVE IN "RED STATES" - When President Obama continues to improve the economy, more people will have jobs and there will be fewer people on welfare.
Robme has a ONE POINT PLAN - more $$$ for the wealthy. He will INCREASE the 47% he already despises.
GOOGLE: "BainPort" . . . America will have 100's of BainPorts if he is elected.
O & JOE!
No... my little re-reg... you will be GONE on Monday!
Enjoy it while you can... cheater! lmao
Coming from someone who hasn't been f@cked hard in ages, without having to pay for it!
YOU the man little buddy!
Buh Buy! lmao!
BREAKING NEW!!!!
Obama is not at fault for the economy.
ALL GOP POLICES AT FAULT.
No one can find any Obama policy that added to the National Debt.
All the trillions of debt are all GOP debt INTEREST and GOP failed policies or policies to fix GOP failures and the Obama loans got paid back.
Tell EVERYONE.
More than $6 trillion added to our debt under Obama's watch .
TELL EVERYONE
MSNBC, Ohio is no longer considered a swing state. Obama won't lose his lead.
And with that news, things just got a whole lot clearer as far as EV.
And yet, he has a herd of people following him. Hard to believe that there are so many people in the uS that want to throw themselves in the fire!
Vote DEMOCRAT to go FORWARD!!! We don't need to go back to the 50's. We do not need a VULTURE CAPITALIST THAT KEEPS ON BLAMING PRESIDENT oBAMA FOR THE mess that he and the other vulture capitalists created.
He has his money overseas, to avoid paying taxes. He wants to reverse Roe Vs. Wade, and he wants to drill everywhere in the US to get us into another WAR.
REJECT THIS LUNATIC!!! Vote Democrat!!!!
Mitt is socialist...only RED states support him. Mitt is for corporate welfare and socialism for the rich - you know RED is the color for socialist parties.
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Mitt even grew up in socialism - The Socialist Mormon State of Utah has always had a cradle-to-grave welfare socialist system.
End America's endless Obama depression .
Vote Romney 2012
So obama is going after romney for the same things that he done?
Raising taxes on the middle class? (ACA, oh, those are taxes, those are fines!)
Lack of job and small business creation?
lol, what a loser.
Something that the sons of Mitt Romney will NEVER HAVE TO ANSWER, BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO BALLS AT ALL.
JUST AS THE 'DADDY', THEY ARE ON A MISSION FROM "GOD" -A LOAD OF BS-, INSTEAD OF SERVING IN THE MILITARY.
Pat,
Where do you see that Ohio is "no longer considered a swing state"?
I generally reference Real Clear Politics and they have it as a toss-up leaning toward Obama with a current advantage of 2.3%.
Looks like President Obama helped himself tremendously in the last two debates.
Get.Out.The.Vote.
Obama/Biden - pick ups in the House & Senate.
Bring normalcy back to America. Bring integrity back to America. Bring decency back to America. Bring equality back to America. Bring a better future for our young back to America.
Rob,
Can you take your insults elsewhere, please?
That goes for lefties, as well.
Obama pretended that he didn't know and lied for two weeks in order to hide his incompetence and now he is caught. This one is NOT going to be swept under the rug. New information is surfacing every day.
Hillary Clinton also knew within two hours that it was an attack by the Islamist group Ansar al-Shariah. She lied right along with Obama to maintain the cover-up. What was the phrase from the Watergate era … “Co-Conspirators”?
And what about U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice? She said the Libya attack was "spontaneous" and started with the attack on the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, Egypt, over an anti-Islamic film. Did Hillary Clinton tell her that it was an attack by the Islamist group Ansar al-Shariah, and then order her to lie about it? Was she kept in the dark? Did the orders to lie come directly from Obama himself? This story is not over yet.
Oh GOD! Where were you when BUSH and CHENEY were in office?
IN A COMA?????
MSNBC - look at this from Nate Silver:
The FiveThirtyEight forecast model has found the past several days of battleground state polling to be reasonably strong for Barack Obama, with his chances of winning the Electoral College increasing as a result. The intuition behind this ought to be very simple: Mr. Obama is maintaining leads in the polls in Ohio and other states that are sufficient for him to win 270 electoral votes.
In Ohio, however, there are not just three polls: roughly a dozen polling firms, rather, have surveyed the state over the past 10 days.
Still, it is misinformed to refer to Ohio as a toss-up. Mr. Obama is the favorite there, and because of Ohio’s central position in the Electoral College, he is therefore the overall favorite in the election.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/27/oct-26-state-poll-averages-usually-call-election-right/
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Obama's lead in Ohio seems to be very consistent, however, we still have to work very hard at getting out the vote.
I'm watching Virginia very closely as well, which has Obama up and a state I think he's also going to win.
It's not blame.
It's history.
No one wants to repeat bad history.
Pat,
Thanks for the citation. I respect Nate Silver's opinion, but fear the shenanigans which are sure to come throughout the Buckeye State.
One thing appears certain....Romney's lead in FL and NC are softening, and his leads in VA and CO have completely disappeared.
ONTOR-
You damn right they need jobs! When the last conservative president left office America was shedding 800,000 jobs a month! Millions upon millions of people lost their jobs and are still looking as result of the failed policies/actions/legislation during the Dubya administration. Then during the mid-term elections of 2010 the conservatives ran on jobs, jobs, jobs. They said they were the job creators. It was all about jobs. They PROMISED the American people jobs. Boehner stood up after tearfully rejoicing at their win that the people had given the conservatives a mandate. I mean the first thing they did was read the Constitution aloud. Then they took a symbolic vote to repeal the Affordable Care Act. Then they took 2 weeks off after the Giffords shooting. Then they took some more symbolic votes. And now look at how many jobs they created. What's the count now, 2 years later? Zip? Zero? Zilch? Nada? Obama has done more to prevent further job loss and create new job opportunities than the conservatives can claim since the mid-terms. If jobs are to be a referendum on which party can lead, then the conservatives need to accept their own record of inability and inaction to keep or create jobs. We wouldn't be in this mess if the conservatives had been good stewards of the American people's trust during the last administration. Dubya was intent on diverting attention and focus on WMD's that he let the terrorists on Wall Street take down the economy. Thanks for reinforcing the importance of NOT electing conservatives to office.
Well Joseph Freakin' Smith, Dem dang fellas at Princeton got thar Meta-nalasis out dar and dat ol' EC vote is as of 8. p.m.
Obama 291
Romney 247
tick tock tick tock
Well what about the Presiddent's record? The President himself said that the did not deserve a second trun if he would not turn the economy around on three years. The President promised that the 2012 federal deficit would not exceed 229.27 billion dollars but it actually exceeded 1.1 trillion dollars. The President's ecoonomic plan for the next 4 years is mathematically impossible. His plan is fantasy economics.
The Obama administration document on the stimulus stated what the stimulus was designed to do. According to that document if the stimulus were passed unemployment would not go above 8%. That did not happen. The Obama administration created and used this document to sell the stimulus spending bill as the solution to the nations unemployment problems. The stimulus did not solve our unemployment problem. According to that official administration document if the stimulus did its job as it was designed then unemployment should now be well below 6%. Furthermore, if the stimulus bill had done its job then the President would not have to propose a second stimulus. The numbers in that document were not presented as speculation, they were presented as specification. This official Obama administration document said what the stimulus was going to do. Clearly what the Obama administration said would happen did not happen.
To me, reelecting the Presdient means 4 more years of the same just hoping that things change. The Presdent's new program to fix the the economy is just more of his same on going program to fix the economy. My biggest concern is all of the debt that has been building up. I estimate that an additional 5 trillion dollars of debt will end up costing the tax payers 50 trillion dollars to repay in 180 years. I agree with the President when he stated:
And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on.
Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities. Instead,interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans–a debt tax that Washington doesn’t want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.
Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
~ Senator B. H. Obama, March 2006
I assume you are directing that at me and not God. The media were trumpeting every misstep and theoretical failure of the Administration in those days. If it had appeared to me that there were a coverup that Bush and Cheney were perpetrating with the active cooperation of the media, I would have been just as vocal as I am now.
Obama - there you go again miss stating the facts!
Massachusetts was not 48th in job creation. It started at 50th and ended at 28th, but AVERAGED 47th over the 4 years.
Source Factcheck.org and others.
Wow! Catch up!
And all of you little peeps from the GOP are still not listening to Condoleezza Rice and her asking you to shut up already. Good hell ... everything is great and cozy from the sidelines! I trust my hairdresser to cut and color the best she can. I trust my dentist to tell me what I need to do to prevent cavities. I trust my doctor when she runs tests and tells me that things are good after waiting for the results.
I trust my President to have that same time to figure things out, consult those on the ground, and to let the people know what they need to know.
Get back to trusting, people. Get over the fear-mongering.
Obama/Biden 2012
Pat in Boston and BCWC,
thanks for the updates. Great news about Ohio!!
BCWC,
You are sure loving the ticker tape results from Princeton. LOL
So am I....
Blah blah Solyndra, yada yada Fast and Furious, gripe gripe Benghazi, wah wah Biden flubs...
Finally, we are getting to some substance -- What little record Romney actually has. And why is it that Massachusetts isn't supporting him?
As for Bush/Cheney, like Romney and Bain Inequity, and lying about where he paid taxes to run for Governor in Massachusetts, or taking the hard drives with him when he left as Governor, or refusing to release FULL tax returns for more than two years, or lying about living in his son's unfinished basement to commit voter fraud, etc., etc. ...
The neglect in trying to prevent 9-11, the disaster of the Iraq war, warrant-less wire taps, scandal from Scooter Libby outing Plame to Alberto Gonazales of the DOJ playing politics, and sex scandals gone wild -- The media didn't have to make these things up.
Cover-up? Have you heard about the Downing Street Memo? How about the scripted town halls, the softball questions (remember Jeff Gannon?), and providing FAUX Noise with talking points from the White House -- Holy cow, you rightwingers can't remember what you had for breakfast, or you rewrite history to make it look like you had a seven-course meal with Dom Perignon.
The EXTREME, MALICIOUS POLITICIZING of a terrorist attack is so utterly disgusting and absolutely anti-American that anyone with a conscious should find it totally shameful to call themselves a republican. And, shockingly, this is occurring right after the event while there is still so much classified information on the event that cannot be released for security purposes related to apprehending and stopping the true culprits.
Remember, how the whole country, especially the Democrat minority in congress, rallied behind Bush after he had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO PREVENT 911 in the presence of many warnings. (Clinton had just successfully thwarted the Y2K terrorist attacks with increased national security, which Bush NEGLECTED to do.) Bush's and the repub congress's EXTREME NEGLECT of national security before 911 caused immeasurable anguish and literally trillions of dollars in US spending all added to the federal deficit after 911; it even led to a $1 trillion dollar unnecessary Republican war in Iraq that in itself caused much more terrorism in Iraq and around the world.
Then after such a horrendous neglect of his #1 presidential duty--protecting the USA homeland--the Bush administration just made light of the horrible anthrax terrorist attacks that followed, again on US soil of which several were directed at Democrats in Congress, and NEVER adequately investigated.
After the deaths of thousands and thousands and thousands of American deaths due to Republican NEGLECT AND ERROR during the 911 and anthrax terrorist attacks and the Iraq war, how could these republicans politicize one small terrorist attack right after it happened when there is still so much CLASSIFIED information about it on stopping and punishing the culprits.
And this is just one terrible event along with an extremely long list of horrible things bordering on atrocities that the Republican party is planning for Americans which include severely harming poor American infants and children, handicapped people and the poor elderly through drastic cuts to food stamps and Medicaid programs. Robbing most future seniors of adequate or any access to healthcare or the ability to pay for it by privatizing Medicare. Taking American to more hideous, unnecessary wars that will inevitably require a draft and rob Americans of their freedoms. Adding significantly to the federal deficit with trillions of dollars in unnecessary military spending increases.
OBVIOUSLY THE FOCUS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS TOTALLY ON ABSOLUTE POWER AND CONTROL FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR RICH SUPPORTERS ONLY AND AT ANY COST AND NOT ON THE WELL-BEING OF THE USA AND ITS CITIZENS.
I have voted for many republicans in the past, but I do not know if I can ever vote for another one at any level after this year's election.
NorthstarDFL
I look them up every time ONTOR posts, i imagine him at the bottom of an hourglass.
Who's the bigger coward??
Dumbfux or Obama?
Damn that's a tough one!
Rob Bush and chaney new about the 9/11/2001 and did nothing also in fact thing s were done to help facilitate it. No one ever did anything except get us into a war that was based on lies. pass laws to take away our rights. The first 911 was swept under the rug as quickly as possible. 3000 people died and no is looking for answers except countries internationally. You see the problem is not just with Obama it is with our leaders in general on both sides of the fence. You keep going on and on about something that off topic from this article people are not listening. Give it up!
Kannin,
Don't let them intimate you, please keep posting your updates. Your work may not be appreciated by some, but there are many that do.
Robber....
Your premise makes no sense at all.
You're saying that not only was Obama involved in the tactical response in Bengazi, but he told whatever defenders we had to stand down? Why would anyone do that, let alone the President? It doesn't make sense on the face of it.
Of course, this is coming from a person who keeps calling the guy he hates so much a "trader"
RCP is doing a disservice to people. The Obama camp will not return to North Carolina, or Florida, and have reduced their airtime to use the money in Wisconsin, Iowa, and Ohio. Virginia would be out too except the number of democrats were increased in polls keeping it looking viable.
The majority of the polls in all three of those states have shown Romney with a lead since early October.
Bill Maher warns about the dangerous people Romney would bring with him to the White House (+ video)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/27/1151055/-Bill-Maher-warns-about-the-dangerous-people-Romney-would-bring-with-him-to-the-White-House
DB, Obama campaign reduced their air time in FLA?
Isn't the president traveling to FLA in a few days to campaign with Bill Clinton?
A man dies, goes to heaven, stands before St. Peter, and see a huge wall of clocks.
The man asks what all the clocks are for and St. Peter explains, "These are lie clocks. Everyone on earth has a lie clock.
Every time a person lies, the clock hands move."
Pointing to one, the man says, "Whose clock is that?"
"That's Mother Teresa's," St. Peter answers. "The hands have never moved, indicating she never told a lie."
"Incredible," the man responds. "And whose clock is that?"
St. Peter responds, "That's Abraham Lincoln's. The hands moved twice telling us he told two lies in his entire life."
"Where is Mitt Romney's clock?" the man asks.
"Romney's clock is in Jesus' office," St. Peter says. "He's using it as a ceiling fan."
ONTOR,
Well at least, Obama and Hiliary definitely care to save those in the USA, and after all that is why they were elected.
BCWC ...
Oh Snap! don't we all????
Obama/Biden 2012
Bill MAHER?? YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING RIGHT?? That moron doesn't know SH!T from SHINOLA!
Some of you liberals like to post odds and models. Here is another one that you might not like. It has predicted correctly the last eight presidential elections. The University of Colorado in pot city Boulder has never been mistaken as conservative.
http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2012/10/04/updated-election-forecasting-model-still-points-romney-win-university
Robbar.....
MY bet is that it doesn't make sense, because it DIDN'T happen that way, and it's coming from BLLSHT MOUNTAIN. Just like the President did not say the deaths were "not optimal" Please see:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/mon-october-22-2012-dl-hughley
It's really sad, but funny. (probobly not to you)
Poll: Obama advantage in Virginia
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/27/poll-slight-obama-advantage-in-virginia/
Robber,
So you now spend all your time with Obama, know what he does every minute. He was there and watched it all. What lies! Well, is there honor amongst thieves???
If Romney/Ryan win in 4 years America will be in shambles much worse than now and more debt, and most people will just remember president Robbme and Lyin, and sadly it will not just be name calling but a horrible truth.
The best line of the day: Women are starting to think above the neck and not below the neck. LOL
Occupy Wall Street backs Obama
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Occupy Sesame Street backs Romney.
thetotas: I get attacks and personal insults from the Left. Your kind words mean a lot to me.
We all remember the dramatic photos labeled "White House photographer Pete Souza documents the Commander in Chief's overseeing of the raid on Osama bin Laden's Pakistan compound from the White House Situation Room."
The same classes of information were probably flowing into the White House Situation Room during this event. Why wouldn't the President be equally involved?
As to the President's motivations, I have no clue, but I think that information will emerge in the coming months that will cast light on that question.
In the last 2 weeks, 80% of the undecides vote for the challenger.
Swing States Obama does not have a 50% average in over the last 10 days:
Colorado 48.4% - 5 polls, Romney 47.6%
Florida 46.6% - 11 polls, Romney 49.3%
Iowa 49.2% - 5 polls Romney 46.8% - Obama might get this one.
Nevada - Obama has 50.0% and should win unless this deteriorates or polls are wrong.
New Hampshire - 5 polls - 48.6% - 5 polls, Romney 47.2% - There is an obvious outlier favoring Obama here so Romney is probably ahead.
North Carolina - 5 polls - 46.4%, Romney 50.6%
Ohio 48.0% - 14 polls - Romney 45.8%
Pennsylvania 48.0% - 6 polls - Romney 44.0% - there is an outlier clearly to Obama's advantage here and Obama's average is decreasing.
Virginia 48.3% - 8 polls - Romney 47.8%. There are two clear outliers in Obama's favor
Wisconsin 49.5, 6 polls - Romney 46.0%. Obama is trending down from a 50+% average earlier this month.
There is a way to go before this is over and it could go either way, but historically Romney should win on November 6.
"'did your son always have balls the size of cue balls?'"
This is what idiot Biden said to Tyrone Woods father during Obama's photo op when the bodies arrived from Benghazi. Who would pick a moron like this to be vice-president? Only a POS would and a POS did.
This while Obama looked right past and gave him a "limp fish" handshake while lying to him. Then the bitch Hillary tells him that they will find and arrest the guy that made the movie.
These dirty lying cowards need to crawl back under their rocks and and live the rest of their lives in shame. Or be indicted and sent where they belong.
You libtardsturds should be ashamed. But I bet your not. Typical. You'll get yours in 10 days and you best start looking for a job.
Jimmy Carter now comes in black. Obama makes Jimmy look better and better everyday.
Pat,
The public polls do not say they cannot get Florida. IF I were you, I'd be concerned that they cannot get Ohio, and have returned to Florida to force Romney to defend Florida.
“The mere fact that you have a legal power to keep something secret does not mean you should always use it..."
“For a long time now, there's been too much secrecy in this city. The old rules said that if there was a defensible argument for not disclosing something to the American people, then it should not be disclosed. That era is now over. Starting today, every agency and department should know that this administration stands on the side not of those who seek to withhold information but those who seek to make it known.”
“I will also hold myself as president to a new standard of openness.... Information will not be withheld just because I say so."
These quotes are from Barack Obama during his last campaign... too bad his supporters never remember what he's said.....
obama calls on the Seals to get osama...mission done!!
The Seals call on obama to save the embassy in Benghazi...No you can NOT!!!!..Stand Down!!
Shameful& disgraceful upon the commander -in-chief!!!
Robbar ...
I will take the time out if I get it ...
You sick @!$%#!!!!!
Again ... you are one sorry, sick, poster. I seriously cannot post more as that comment just takes my breath away that someone would say that.
Obama/Biden 2012
Pat,
My Error on Obama reducing commercials in Florida. Analysts say he should to concentrate on holding Ohio since efforts in Carolina and Virginia re not being successful enough. The DCCC is reducing funding to the Allan West congressional district though.
robbar...
You gotta get out of the Fox bubble. The "not optimal" quote was debunked just like the "you didn't build that" quote. He didn't "say" either of those things if you see the context. I really think you should watch the Daily Show bit I linked. I think you're missing a little bit of reality (and parody is sometimes the best way to hint at reality).
also, you said: "The next few days will be crushing for this president - this trader. Oops I said it again."
It's "traitor".....unless of course you mean he's bidding on the stock exchange.
As Barrack Hussein struggles to be significant in the eyes of real American's, he is reduced to name-calling, deflection and projection.
His presidency has been an abysmal failure and he still panders to the lowest common denominator, his useful idiots in the Liberal/Progressive cabal. As he tries so hard to be presidential after failing for 4 years America realizes what a horrible mistake it made in 2008.
More debt than any preceding president, 23 million American's under/unemployed, growth at an embarrassing 1.74%, gas higher than ever before and no budget for 1,277 days. A foreign policy that can only be described as an abysmal failure.
Of course the useful idiots that follow so adoringly can only hope that nothing changes as they realize that when a real leader is elected they will actually have to work for a living instead of endless unemployment benefits and abusing safety nets that others truly need. But this is what happens when you're indoctrinated in the "Life of Julia" mentality your whole life.
Success is demonized and mediocrity is promoted.
5 million jobs at a cost of over $200,000 each. Good mid-wage jobs being replaced with low-wage jobs. No vision for future economic growth other than taxing the rich and blindly spending it without direction.
Fiscal ineptness combined with monetary malfeasance will never create the 21st century economic foundation we need to be competitive in the global emerging markets. Concentrating on unproductive social and infrastructure policies will just delay the inevitable.
America has seen Progressivism ruin our once envied economy. It's time to dismiss the unsustainable Keynesian ideology and government expansion idiocy. America was not built on the shoulders of government, unions or feel-good political correctness. It was built on the shoulders of industry, entrepreneurship, free-market principles and American exceptionalism.
We had our little social experiment for 4 years, it has failed miserably.
It's time to stop governing with emotions and start growing with leadership!
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©
NOTE: Liberals/Progressives remember to vote on November 7th.
Obama has now got Osama, an ambassador, 2 navy seals and an aide.
I heard he came out today and called Pearl harbor a Japanese training exercise.
Rob F__k YOU
DB Akron your right about the 80%. But what your don't understand is that right now there are only 3 people who are undecided. Two people with Alzheimer and a lady republican.
Someone said "women are now thinking above their necks". I sure hope they are, and giving serious consideration to what the republicans are thinking about them below their necks.
@Kannin and all you Libyan conspirators: Fox and Friends has just released some suspicious innuendo that indicates "Jack" of "Jack and the Beanstalk" fame, didn't really use an ax to cut down the beanstalk that supposedly killed the giant. He, according to them, used a gwaddamned stolen "chainsaw". The giant never had a chance! We been holding up a "killer" as a hero to our kids! We should go at once and find the grave of "Benjamin Tabart", dig Him up and rekill the sum-bitch! Pitchforks! I say, pitchforks!
Robbarlow,
Do us all a favor and find a more liberal news and opinion source than The Weekly Standard or Newscom, you know something like the National Rview or FOX News.
You quote opinion and grief-stricken allegations as fact without further evidence as fact. Well the simple facts which have come out thus far: little real communication went out from the Benghazi CONSULATE office during the attack, the nearest US troops were the token Marine force at the EMBASSY in Tripoli some 405mi by air or 630mi by road, the next closest US troops were at a base in Italy, apparently the local "friendly" militias were either duped by one extremist group or were left out of planning, local "friendlies" did attempt a rescue but the "CIA safe-house" was already known to the extremists, the diplomat died of smoke and heat damage to his lungs, the bodygaurd broke out a window and grating to create an escape and exitted the building to relative safety, the bodygaurd went back for the diplomat but found him totally unresponsive and probably dead, the bodygaurd then effected his escape prior to the attempted rescue by locals. Fact: the diplomat was in Benghazi to discuss restarting ordinary business, including international trade in the Benghazi region. Fact: the diplomat had been warned that Benghazi was not safe, and that the consulate was not secure. Fact: other mass demonstrations had been organized to oppose the internet video in other North African cities at the same time. Fact: a communique was send to all embassies and consulates reminding them to be extra-vigilant on 9/11. Fact: all credible investigations take time, time typically used by the conspiracy obssessed to create their own set of facts to match their prejuduced conclusions. And since most of the eye-witnesses most germane to an American investigation, our investigators will have to piece together a second-hand American account. But since you seem so intimately familiar with the details, maybe you and Mr. Bill Kristol ought to present your testimony to the FBI. (You do know that Mr. Kristol and other opinion "journalists" exploit sensationalist news, perhaps distorting it, in order to generate interest and sales from folks like yourself.)
Note that thus far I have neither called you names, nor have I used vulgarity in regard to national leaders of either party or to other posters. But if can't get your mouth out of your a**hole, and stop talking vulgar filth; I will start asking the moderator to help you do this.
Yeah, whatever happened to actually reading the content of the article & then commenting on that content, instead of bringing in every bipolar talking pt tangent y'all can think of?
No wonder TPTB want to fling y'all into the Trough. Can't wait to see the shrieking when it happens.
Hey..MJL-3 @ #1.10
So true...Talking about biting the hand that feeds them...talking about voting against their own self-interest.
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It's even crazier if you realize that the more a state contributes taxes to the federal treasury, the more likely that state is a blue - Democratic - state.
Steve,
You are apparently a young man. Barack Obama's administration has been as open as any that I can recall in the past 45years.
Johnson and Nixon did nothing but lie about Viet Nam. Nixon lied about Watergate. Ford was not in office long enough to develop memorable lies, but military secrecy continued unabated. Carter fibbed about the effectiveness of the AEC in policing demestic commercial reactors. Reagan lied about cutting taxes (he raised 14times in 8years). Reagan lied about Iran-Contra. Reagan's biggest lie was the extent to which his staff ran policy during his administration, leaving us instead Cheney, Rove, Norquist, Gingrich and Oliver North. HW Bush lied that the peace "dividend" wouldn't affect the economy, it did. HW Bush lied by promising no new taxes, then promptly raised taxes. Clinton lied about hanky-panky and Congress threw a fit. Clinton may or may not have led about WhiteWater, but we spent loads of money on a virtual career indepedent prosecutor who apparently could find nothing worth taking to court. GW Bush lied about the causes of 9/11 and the source of the attacks. GW Bush lied about his true reasons for attacking Iraq. GW Bush lied about the success of the war. GW Bush and the military lied about the conduct of our troops. GW Bush lied about FEMA's readiness for, and performance after, Katrina. GW Bush lied about making domestic intelligence and policing more effective by creating the Department of Homeland Security. Congress has blocked Barack Obama's attempts to close the Guantanamo detention center. Likewise, Congress has blocked any real discussion of immigration policy. Barack Obama did lie really well at a state dinner by acting nonchalant while knowing that Seal Team 6 was prepping to launch the Bin Laden raid. Obama did take two years to get our troops out of Iraq. All the Obama stimulus distributions were clearly identified as to who received the assistance and the nature of the assistance. The Bush TARP was announced as being blind, no publication of fund receipients, the actual amounts and no expectation of return.
Now tell me, openness about a situation in Libya that the CIA and FBI are now trying to piece together from second and third parties?
Amen Bill Marlow Shut the ignorant trolls down. Good job!
The President is absolutely right about Romney’s abysmal record in Massachusetts. I have confirmed all the facts on Romney’s term as governor and President Obama is telling the truth... Here in Nevada the Romney campaign has been running ads claiming that he did EXACTLY the opposite of what he real did. These TV ads make Romney sound like he was the second coming for Massachusetts when in fact he was a disaster.
The Romney campaign and Romney himself are the most dishonest SOBs I’ve ever seen in my life. Romney is a pathological liar and will say ANYTHING to get elected….. This guy can not be trusted.
Robbar,
stop speculating and wait for all of the information to be released. People jumping the gun on what some blogger thinks happened is how epic failures are created. So instead of nailing Obama to a cross with the possibility of you looking like a complete ass when everything is known try chilling out and have patience.
With all the Pinocchios Obama is telling, his nose should be as long as Airforce One.
Obama said in a speech today that he says what he means and means what he says. Yeah, right. If you believe that, I have some ocean-front property to sell you in Florida.
He said he would reduce the national debt by $5 trillion. Instead he increased it by $6.2 trillion to $16.2 trillion.
He promised he would reduce unemployment to 5.6%. Instead, due to his policies it INCREASED to over 8% for a record 43 months! Saying it is now 7.8% is a joke since they conveniently excluded California with its 10%+ unemployment rate. It's still over 8% folks, and probably much higher since many have quit looking for work or dropped off unemployment benefits.
He promised healthcare costs would go down some $2,500 per year. Instead they went UP over $2,500 per year.
He promised he would pass comprehensive immigration reform in his first term. He did NOTHING about immigration reform.
He probably promised a balanced budget. He hasn't had a budget in three years!! The last one he proposed got shot down by 100% of the House of Representatives. What a joke. The man is incompetent.
I could go on and on, but do you get the picture?
Barack Obama is a compulsive liar. He also lied about Benghazi, Libya, but the mainstream media, which is in love with him, refuses to even report it. Four Americans died over there and they didn't even try to help them. That is not who I want leading this country. This will only encourage more violence against Americans. Please, please vote him out of office in November. Thanks!
Adler,
I never saw such a bunch of Bullsh!t in all my life. Boy, you Liberals are working overtime to help your savior, Obama, cover up that tragedy.
Remember these?
THE OBAMA CHRONICLES:
“I promise 100% transparency in my administration.”.
“I promise NO NEW TAXES on a family making less than $250K a year.”.
“I will allow 5 days of public comment before I sign any bills.”.
“I will remove earmarks from PORK projects before I sign any bill.”.
“I will end Income Tax for seniors making less than $50K a year.”.
"I will bring ALL of our troops home within ONE year."
“I’ll put the Health Care negotiations on CSPAN so everyone can see who is at the table!”.
“I’ll have no lobbyists in my administration."
"I'll close Guantanamo."
"I'll resign if I don't cut the deficit in half by the end of four years."
"I'll unite the people of this great country."
BETTER KNOWN AS LIES.
Fool me once shame on YOU!
Fool me twice shame on ME
originally from GIMMIE
Because he is too late! George W Bush already did that!
@robbershady;
If you knew anything you would know that two generals and the SOD agreed that night there was not enough info on the ground to send in troops.They also do not know yet who gave the order to the CIA,to stand down, but yet you are so sure it was Obamas fault before the facts even come out. If you were president would go against the advice of the regional commanders and the SOD? I doubt it.
Because we held our cards close to our vest, some of the players in the Bhengazi attacks did not run they were outed at their headqurters and kicked out. Telling all we knew surely would have put them on the run,never to be seen again.
Most on this vine rightfully ignored you ,as this is digressive to the article, but you nay sayers need to be shown truth.
Oh AND Layton was spot on, that was a sick comment, please seek help sir.
ONTOR
Women need jobs
#1.15 - Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:08 PM EDT
ONTOR
College grads need jobs .
You're right. Where are they? The repugnicons ran and were elected in 2010 on the basis of "jobs, jobs, and jobs". Where are they? Ask Michelle Bachmann, AKA Big-Time Crazy. Every single jobs bill that your criminals passed contained a poison pill. Ask your jackasses why.
Why do your jackasses care more about defeating Obama than they care about helping their country. And I might ask you: are you so easily misled and deluded that you didn't know this or are you just full of hate for dems and/or blacks? Furthermore, even in spite of the GOP treason and obstruction, the UE rate is dropping, the housing market is finally headed north, sonsumer confidence is up, the GDP is up, first time UEclaims are down. All indicators are pointing in a positive direction. I'm sorry to tell you that ObAMA has outlasted the GOP treason and we're gonna be okay in spite of you dinosaurs.
Finally, Obama going after Romney and Lying Ryan on the record that Mitt had as governor of Mass. Does the 15% lead that Obama holds over Romney in Romney's home state tell us something? Yes, that despite all his lies the great B Ser's own voters from his home state know him for what he is! A no good flip-flopper that will do anything and say anything to become president!
Obama/Biden 2012
Charlie, While I wish it were 20% behind in Mass. I checked and it was 15% int he latest poll!
OBAMA IN 2012.
There are lots of crazy people posting ridiculous nonsense about the president. The best way to handle people like that, including you, is to ignore them.
Your account of the events in Benghazi is an obvious, pathetic fabrication intended to politicize the tragic deaths of Americans in service to our country, an account much like that of Mr. Romney himself, who tried to make political points even before the bodies were cold.
His behavior, and yours, are reprehensible and unworthy of any further response, much less a defense.
You should be ashamed of yourself. But I'm sure you'll continue to just say anything it might take to win, because you won't because, again like Mr. Romney, you apparently have no moral compass whatsoever.
Shame on you.
You do realize that it takes away all credibility, when you make claims of someone ELSE being banned, and then make these types of comments. What this shows me is the complete ineptitude of the 'moderators' on this site. I understand politics are a hot button issue, and I like coming on here and having a good debate...but then I see comments like these go unchallenged, while people who disagree with the left are being banned, deleted or suspended for far less.
Feisty, I have been on this site for the better part of four years and I have seen many people bait you, and watch you do the same. Most of the time there is a valid argument behind your posts, but this is simply a personal attack. For the record, I have also NEVER seen you come even close to condemning a Democrat for any action. OK, off of my soapbox.
What I find very frustrating is no one is picking up the Libya story. Sept 11 wasnt the first attack here. Going from the Ambassador's personal journals, it states multiple attacks...and multiple requests for increased security over the previous few months. These were denied...as a matter of fact, Marines were PULLED FROM the area. Mr. President, you can only throw Hillary under the bus so many times...this is YOUR responsibility. If this happened under the Bush administration, there would not be another topic discussed on this site. Bush should be impeached and Condoleeza Rice should be fired. That would be the headlines on every comment.....and I wouldnt disagree. Why is it different with this administration? Or are we trying to wait until AFTER the election? How very convenient.
Of course it does. Does the Salt Lake City Tribune's endorsement of Obama tell us something? Does the fact that Michigan is leaning Democratic tell us something?
Wherever the people actually know Mr. Romney the best, he's losing.
Romney will lose Massachusetts, what is that telling you, the guy is a Loser !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.... YOU WANT TO BLAME OBAMA FOR WHAT HAPPENED IN THE MIDDLE EAST? Not to discount the American loss of those four men killed ... May God bless them and their families ....
THIS IS WHAT BUSH DID or DIDN'T DO ON AMERICAN SOIL ....
What Bush Knew Before Sept.11
"We were trying to figure out what they (al Qaeda) would do. We never had specifics about time, place, MO (method of operation)."
U.S. intelligence official, commenting anonymously.
President Bush was told in the months before the Sept. 11 attacks that Osama bin Laden's terrorist network might hijack U.S. passenger planes - information which prompted the administration to issue an alert to federal agencies - but not the American public.
CBS News National Security Correspondent David Martin says the warning was in a document called the President's Daily Brief, which is considered to be the single most important document that the U.S. intelligence community turns out. The document did not, however, mention the possibility of planes being flown
into buildings.
An agent in the FBI's Arizona office did, however, speculate about that, writing in his case notes about Zacarias Moussaoui that Moussaoui seemed like the type of person who was capable of flying an aircraft into the World Trade Center.
It was the observation of an agent taking notes as he thought about his case - an observation whose significance simply did not register at the time.
White House spokesman Ari Fleischer says that while President Bush was told last summer that bin Laden's al Qaeda network might hijack planes, he did not receive information suggesting that airplanes might be used as suicide bombs, as they were on Sept. 11.
Fleischer emphasizes that "until the attack took place, I think it's fair to say that no one envisioned that as a possibility."
The revelation about the president's security briefing comes as House and Senate Intelligence Committee investigators prepare for public hearings beginning next month on whether an intelligence community which spends $30 billion a year should have been able to provide a more specific warning in advance of Sept. 11.
The New York Times reports that an FBI agent in Arizona warned his superiors last summer that bin Laden might be sending students to U.S. flight schools.
Investigators have since Sept. 11 suspected bin Laden's al Qaeda network of masterminding the terror attacks on America, which killed more than 3,000 people.
Republicans don't want to see the bigger picture .... the middle east has been at war since forever ... the attacks on the embassy happened in the middle east .... Bush was for-warned too ... and did nothing and they attacked us AMERICAN SOIL .... HUGE DIFFERENCE .....
MIDDLE EAST - 4 KILLED
AMERICAN SOIL - 3000 KILLED .... YES REPUBLICANS EXPLAIN THAT ONE .....
MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA .... AND AMERICA VOTE FOR OBAMA 2012
"HALLOWEEN" RobMeHood & RyRand are dressing up as "CLOWNS" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry punkin. All your little one-line quips add up to NOTHING. This Bush Recession was caused by Dumbya and the GOP. We're sorry that Obama couldn't reverse your 8-year-long calamity in only 4 years, but at least he's made progress. It does take longer to rebuild than it does to destroy, and at least we're rebuilding under Obama, instead of destroying -- which is all Dumbya and the GOP did.
Much better than returning to the GOP Policies which brought us to our knees.
That does tell you something. Even the Salt Lake Tribune panned Mitt and His Magic Underwear, and actually endorsed Obama... and this is after years of supporting Romney! Read the article!!
They call Romney out on EVERYTHING. Open your eyes, folks! Some of you decided to stupidly follow a WHACKADOO CULTIST -- you still have time to pull your head out! READ THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE'S ENDORSEMENT -- READ WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT ROMNEY! They know him a LOT BETTER than any of you do!
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55019844-82/endorsement-obama-president-romney.html.csp
Seriously, folks, have the courage to read every word of the Slat Lake Tribune's endorsement, and read everything they bring up about Romney:
Sadly, it is not the only Romney, as his campaign for the White House has made abundantly clear, first in his servile courtship of the tea party in order to win the nomination, and now as the party’s shape-shifting nominee. From his embrace of the party’s radical right wing, to subsequent portrayals of himself as a moderate champion of the middle class, Romney has raised the most frequently asked question of the campaign: "Who is this guy, really, and what in the world does he truly believe?"
The evidence suggests no clear answer, or at least one that would survive Romney’s next speech or sound bite. Politicians routinely tailor their words to suit an audience. Romney, though, is shameless, lavishing vastly diverse audiences with words, any words, they would trade their votes to hear.
More troubling, Romney has repeatedly refused to share specifics of his radical plan to simultaneously reduce the debt, get rid of Obamacare (or, as he now says, only part of it), make a voucher program of Medicare, slash taxes and spending, and thereby create millions of new jobs. To claim, as Romney does, that he would offset his tax and spending cuts (except for billions more for the military) by doing away with tax deductions and exemptions is utterly meaningless without identifying which and how many would get the ax. Absent those specifics, his promise of a balanced budget simply does not pencil out.
If this portrait of a Romney willing to say anything to get elected seems harsh, we need only revisit his branding of 47 percent of Americans as freeloaders who pay no taxes, yet feel victimized and entitled to government assistance. His job, he told a group of wealthy donors, "is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
Where, we ask, is the pragmatic, inclusive Romney, the Massachusetts governor who left the state with a model health care plan in place, the Romney who led Utah to Olympic glory? That Romney skedaddled and is nowhere to be found.
And what of the president Romney would replace? For four years, President Barack Obama has attempted, with varying degrees of success, to pull the nation out of its worst financial meltdown since the Great Depression, a deepening crisis he inherited the day he took office.
In the first months of his presidency, Obama acted decisively to stimulate the economy. His leadership was essential to passage of the badly needed American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Though Republicans criticize the stimulus for failing to create jobs, it clearly helped stop the hemorrhaging of public sector jobs. The Utah Legislature used hundreds of millions in stimulus funds to plug holes in the state’s budget.
The president also acted wisely to bail out the auto industry, which has since come roaring back. Romney, in so many words, said the carmakers should sink if they can’t swim.
Obama’s most noteworthy achievement, passage of his signature Affordable Care Act, also proved, in its timing, his greatest blunder. The set of comprehensive health insurance reforms aimed at extending health care coverage to all Americans was signed 14 months into his term after a ferocious fight in Congress that sapped the new president’s political capital and destroyed any chance for bipartisan cooperation on the shredded economy.
Obama’s foreign policy record is perhaps his strongest suit, especially compared to Romney’s bellicose posture toward Russia and China and his inflammatory rhetoric regarding Iran’s nuclear weapons program. Obama’s measured reliance on tough economic embargoes to bring Iran to heel, and his equally measured disengagement from the war in Afghanistan, are examples of a nuanced approach to international affairs. The glaring exception, still unfolding, was the administration’s failure to protect the lives of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans, and to quickly come clean about it.
In considering which candidate to endorse, The Salt Lake Tribune editorial board had hoped that Romney would exhibit the same talents for organization, pragmatic problem solving and inspired leadership that he displayed here more than a decade ago. Instead, we have watched him morph into a friend of the far right, then tack toward the center with breathtaking aplomb. Through a pair of presidential debates, Romney’s domestic agenda remains bereft of detail and worthy of mistrust.
Therefore, our endorsement must go to the incumbent, a competent leader who, against tough odds, has guided the country through catastrophe and set a course that, while rocky, is pointing toward a brighter day. The president has earned a second term. Romney, in whatever guise, does not deserve a first.
Romney was a failure as governor of Massachusetts. His record of creating strife and then just leaving is clear to see.
Vetoes don’t scream bipartisanship, and Romney had so many of them that it’s obvious he was on bad terms with the legislators from both parties as Governor. All told, Romney issued 800 vetoes in his one term as Governor. 800. Nearly all of them were overridden – 707 to be exact. Romney doesn’t mention that part in his “I like vetoes” ad.
In fact, Romney didn’t like having to work with Democrats so much that he spent his first two years trying to change the party makeup of the legislature and when those efforts failed, he pulled a Palin. That is to say, he gave up. He was gone – out of state – for 212 days of his last year.
Romney was never around for the last two years of his governorship. A March 2005 poll found that only 32 percent felt Romney should be re-elected if he ran for a second term as governor. It got worse. In 2006, Romney spent 212 days out of state, campaigning.
Romney's 800 Vetoes Shatter His Bipartisan Myth
Actually, Romney's Massachusetts record was pretty decent, and even many democrats there agreed. However, leave it to a desperate Obama to find something to distort and a willing nbc to spread the propaganda.
As expected, the Obama zombies will insist otherwise.
I do not see how issuing over 800 vetoes squares with Romney's claim of working BOTH sides of the aisle.
If you flip a coin and vote...
...you'll be making a smarter decision than the voters of only one party.
So Mr. President, since you and/or Panetta denied requested help from dying men, exactly when will you be held accountable and take responsibility?
The Obama campaign abandoned the failed "Kill Romney" campaign months ago, because it failed to disqualify him. I find it telling of the sheer desperation of the campaign they now resume the failed "Kill Romney" theme.
Axelrod and Plouffe are completely out of ideas and are now recycling rhetoric that failed months ago. Frankly, I hope they keep it up and throw in binders and Big Bird.
BTW..Mass had an unemplyment rate of 4.8% when Romney left office, a stat Obama would kill for. Obviously, job creation was a moot point.
In May, 2012, Tunisian cleric Mokhtar Jebali led a demonstration in Tunis at which thousands of Tunisian fanatics chanted "Obama, Obama, we are all Osama". During that speech, Jebali repeatedly referred to the United States President as "Obama the Ape".
In June, 2012, Mokhtar Jebali was again leading a demonstration in Tunis. This time he was ranting about an anti-Islamic video. The thing is that IT WAS A DIFFERENT VIDEO THAN THE ONE ULTIMATELY USED AS A PRETEXT FOR THE SUBSEQUENT SEPTEMBER 11 VIOLENCE. The video that Jebali was condemning at that rally was made by someone named Jalel Brick, and it may be that this video was ultimately unsuitable for Jebali's purposes because Jalel Brick does not have any connection to the United States.
If I could come up with the above information with a few key-strokes of my computer (as anybody else can, if really interested in these facts) why did the Obama administration persist with the insane Youtube video pretext for weeks? The only explanation is that the Youtube video explanation fits in with Obama's sadly distorted perception of reality. Information is coming out now that those Americans who perished in Benghazi had desperately requested support that could have saved their lives and instead they were ordered to "stand down". Obama now claims that he issued the order to support those individuals, yet this obviously was not done. Either there's a serious incompetence that prevented this presidential "order" from being carried out, or (much more likely) Obama is now lying about having issued such an order. Americans have a right to know about this terrible scandal within the Obama administration BEFORE the presidential election. The reason why no truthful answers are forthcoming from the Obama administration is because they know that if the truth were revealed, the majority of Americans would be utterly disgusted with Obama, just for the handling of this matter alone and for the Obama administration's shameful attempt to mislead the American people on this matter.
For the first few weeks following the Benghazi terrorist attack, the Obama administration confidently stated over and over and over that it was about a Youtube video. Consider the fact that the so-called "protest" against the video did not coincide with the appearance of this video. Not only had this particular ridiculously-produced video had been on Youtube for months prior to the fateful September 11 attack, if you really care to know, you may discover that at any given time there are myriad such videos on Youtube, and have been for years. Not only was the Youtube video "explanation" ridiculous, if you think about its use by both the Muslim radicals AND the Obama administration, you realize that this is a case of the Muslim terrorists having purposely searched Youtube for such a video PRIOR to their act of terror for the express purpose of catering to a bizarre psychological weakness that these terrorists shrewdly detect in the President of the United States. Furthermore, if you look into what it was that the mobs of "protestors" were shouting at American embassies throughout the Muslim Middle East on and following September 11, 2012, it was "Obama, Obama, we are all Osama".
The anti-American violence in the Muslim world is tragically facilitated by Obama's psychology. For whatever reason, Barack Obama feels an unnatural compulsion to protect Islam from perceived "insults". We saw this in his attempts to intercede on behalf of the planners of the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque" near the site of what was the World Trade Center, and we see it in the many comments he has made to the Islamic world and to Americans. Unfortunately, those Islamic leaders intent on harming us are smarter than we generally think they are, and they have shrewdly developed strategies to utilize Obama's emotional vulnerability for this purpose, thus they invented the Youtube video pretext specifically to appeal to Obama's vulnerability and Obama himself is unfortunately only too eager to be played in this manner. The denial of necessary security to the Benghazi compound is directly related to this "Obama Doctrine", which is intent on convincing the world that America trusts the good intentions of Islam. In the process of fulfilling his distortions of the intentions of Islamic leaders in places like Libya, Tunisia, Mali, Egypt, Obama is willing to blatantly lie to the American people about what really happened in Benghazi. This is a cover-up of frightening proportions.
There's no doubt in my mind that Obama is doing this because he has the good intentions of promoting one of the world's major religions (Islam) as benevolent. He himself is not a Muslim, but he has this psychological need. In the process of acting upon his "good intentions", his doctrine makes Americans vulnerable, and he mounts a bizarre cover-up to the September 11 Islamic celebratory attacks against Americans. We haven't seen even the tip of the iceberg on this. If the "Obama Doctrine" is successful, Iran could (God forbid) be celebrating future September 11's in an even bigger way.
Mr. Romney's statements are not intended to be factually accurate.
None of them are.
If this is true then everyone in that room is responsible for the murder of these four Americas and should be prosecuted.
Lt. Col. Tony Schafer told Fox News that sources were telling him that the President was watching the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya in real-time. Schafer told Fox that "only the President" could have ordered backup for the Americans who were under siege by terrorists so the President was most certainly informed of the situation as it was unfolding. "I hate to say this," Schafer said, "according to my sources, yes, [the President] was one of those in the White House situation room in real-time watching this. And the question becomes, 'What did the President do or not do in the moments he saw this unveiling?' He -- only he -- could issue a directive to Secretary of Defense Panetta to do something."
And as we speak Romneys vulture business Bain Capitol which he is still a huge shareholder is dismantling and shipping American jobs from a profitable U.S. company(Sensata) to China. Romney is the most ruthless and despicable type of business man in our country and the right wants him to be our president. I hope all you conservatives are willing to move to China if you still want your job.
On the day before an election that's supposed to hinge on jobs, taxes and the middle class, Bain Capital, the company Mitt Romney founded, will close the doors of a factory in Freeport, Illinois, and ship 170 good, high-tech jobs to China.
The employees of Sensata Technologies were forced to train their Chinese replacements, and the American flag that long flew over the factory was reportedly removed while the Chinese engineers were visiting the site. A group of workers have set up camp across from the factory -- calling it “Bainport” -- and some supporters have tried to block the trucks hauling equipment out of the plant. According to Dave Johnson, there have been several arrests.
Sensata workers have asked to meet with Mitt Romney and hoped to enlist his help keeping their jobs in the United States, but he has refused, instead remaining on the campaign trail where he speaks often about “getting tough” with China.
The most important part of the story is that Sensata Technologies is profitable operating in Illinois. Net income last year was $355 million, up 16 percent from 2010. The company reported total revenues of $1.8 billion in 2011, up almost 19 percent from the year before. According to a company financial statement, “both 2011 net revenue and adjusted net income represent record levels for the company.”
So this has nothing to do with “making hard choices” in the process of turning around a failing business, which is how the Romney campaign describes Bain's corporate raiding. Bain's partners are looking for a modest boost in profits by locating the plant closer to the booming Asian automotive market (Sensata makes high-tech automotive parts). They'll get a small tax break for relocating the plant – the one Mitt Romney insisted did not exist during the first debate – and possibly defer taxes on some of the income the company generates.
Jerry!
You believe FOX News? LOL!
Sure the President has live feed to all our consulates at all times and just sits there waiting for events to take place. I'm waiting for FOX News, with its "Fair and Balanced" reporting to blame Hurricane Sandy on Obama's visits to Florida! LOL!
The faithful will be beating the Benghazi drums for years to come. They view the attack as a wonderful gift to them. The prize at the bottom of the Cracker Jack box. President Obama's Waterloo. Romney's ticket to the White-house.
They feel cheated that Romey's underhanded attempt to capitalize on an American tragedy proved fruitless and even damaging. These cold-hearted people care nothing for the victims and families except as pawns to further their favored political agenda.
The Trolls are,
Robbarlowinma, 26 Oct, 2012
Ontor, Sept 30, 2012
obamasuckit, 27 Oct, 2012
magictonickillsbraincells, 17 Sept, 2012
Agreed, commonsense. They have been nothing short of gleeful about the whole horrible thing. The right thing to do would be to ignore them completely, without exception; they are sad, hateful attention seekers who fancy themselves "patriots", when in truth they are a disgrace to all Americans.
Yes, I see the Romney ad. saying he worked bi-partisan with Democrats in Mass. to get things done and then I read he also used his veto over 800 times. This is what we will get if this madman gets in!
Obama/ Biden 2012
...and if/when Obama gets reelected and things don't turn around like all you hopefuls believe it will where then will be your savior? People complained at a fever pitch the past four years and now at election time he's elevated as some innocent hero who's supposedly been trying to 'right' many 'wrongs'.
Keep your expectations in check because there is no glittery gold answer, whichever way you vote. The real answer will be in the results but, then, hindsight is always 20-20
Consumer spending up in September again. Things are changing for the better after bush tried to destroy our banking and financial system Obama has shown 36 months of improvement in Jobs, finance, lower foreclosure rates, stimulating jobs that have kept unemployment down now below 7.8% and God knows how high it would have been without the successful Stimulus!
Jerry....very informative post!!!. ..the Trolls for obama will not look into facts!!.. Just spew their sewage!!
obama calls on the Seals to get osama...mission done!!
The Seals call on obama to save the embassy in Benghazi...No you can NOT!!!!..Stand Down!!
Shameful& disgraceful upon the commander -in-chief!!!
Why would any decent American not vote for Romney/Ryan? Those who had any negative thoughts towards Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan were the victims of the extensive negative Democrat's propaganda that attempted to demonize these very fine individuals before Americans had had an opportunity to get to know them. Once Americans had an opportunity to see Mitt Romney at the first presidential debate, the game changed considerably, because many Americans saw with their own eyes and heard with their own ears and resolved with their own minds that Mitt Romney is an extremely decent individual, not anything like what the Obama propaganda machine had attempted to present to the American public. Anybody who still does not believe in the extreme decency, sincerity and deep concern for the well-being of America's future that Mitt Romney possesses, should take a better look and learn to form their own opinion instead of mindlessly repeating the malicious propaganda issued by lowlives like David Axelrod.
Wow...I never realized that right-wing "dark money" was sponsoring so many online trolls.
Now, if some of them could only learn to spell, actually use the correct word instead of one that just sounds like the one they want, or employ English grammar the way it was intended, some of us might feel like they've really earned that minimum wage allowance they're getting. Or are they even getting that?
But then, who really cares?
Well, someone needs to clue you in...that's exactly what's happened. Mitt has been "looked" at, measured, and in the eyes and minds of many, found to be lacking...severely. But your cheerleader act is really cute.
You want to list "lowlifes repeating malicious propaganda"? Ok, let's play...does the name "John Sununu" ring any bells? How about Donald Trump? Sarah Palin? Ann Coulter? Rush Limbaugh? Sean Hannity? Bill O'Reilly? Joe Walsh? Alan West? Todd Akins? Richard Mourdock? Just about everyone who appears on Fox touting the latest conspiracy theory?
Yeah, well, good luck with that tack...unfortunately, your sails are luffing.
"Eyes Wide Open-733457",
Clarify what you mean by "right-wing 'dark money'" in relation to my post, please. I have much more to explain to anybody reading this about your assumptions, but I'll do that after you clarify what you mean by "right-wing 'dark money'" in relation to my post.
Ahad...
My response "in relation to your post" begins with your quote.
No more...no less. Is that sufficiently clear for you now?
But do go on with your "explanations"...they should be entertaining if nothing else.
Mitt flip-flops on every issue - can't be trusted.
Obama's new green economic plan:
Car pool to the welfare office .
WOW! Look how rich your comments are. You are always telling everybody that Obama is the "welfare President" SURE!!!!!
And MItt Romney is the VULTURE CAPITALISTS THAT DOES NOT GIVE A SH**T ABOUT ALL THE unemployed, HE bankrupted 20% OF HIS COMPANIES WHEN HE WAS AT BAIN CAPITAL
YOU ARE SO IGNORANT. Here is something for you to read, and stoop posting IGNORANT COMMENTS:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dean-baker/romneys-success-at-bain-c_b_1856951.html
Welfare never caused the TRILLIONS in National debt .
NOT even a tiny fraction.
ALL GOP POLICES caused the National debt to be at $16 TRILLION since Reagan.
Gee I must have missed the this is tell a whopper hour!
6 trillion over the last 4 years IS not only democrat policies, but Obama requested spending.
Ok, DB..so according to you...Bush caused a recession and Pres. Obama should have just let those falling on hard times to suffer??? BTW, those government help to the poor started with Bush's last year..Obama has just continued. according to a Nobel winning economist, one government bailout to AIG in 2008 cost more money than all the government help to the poor from 1990-2005 (15 years). So corporate welfare is good, but not helping the poor.
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And deficit is no big deal - to paraphrase Reagan.
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According to economists, when foreign countries lend us money through purchasing of treasury notes, we pay them 2.5%, but inflaction is higher than 2.5% often, so foreign countries pay us a fee to allow us to use their money.
BO
Funny you mention 1 Trillion and Welfare. We just spent 1 + Trillion for WELFARE last Fiscal Year!! Guess what? That is MORE than was spent for SS and Medicare COMBINED!!
http://budget.senate.gov/republican/public/index.cfm/budget-background?ID=3c687e99-a5c5-46f2-9f9d-0ea5a62c3183
http://times247.com/articles/welfare-spending-skyrockets-above-1-trillion-in-2011
http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/spiraling-state-welfare-spending-approaches-hair-raising-1-trillion-mark
Mitt's new campaign slogan - Occupy Sesame Street.
bOZOhussens new slogan....$$17 Trillion in Debt...Even the Count can not count all those Zeros!!!
Hey, ONTOR? I bet that, even at seventy- something, Ozzy Osbourne would throw a Birmingham Beatdown on your sorry assterisk if he knew you were misusung his picture like that.
Untor dude, keep fighting for your 1%, people like you need it.
Our President has the habit of saying things that sound good at the time but are really just bs. That is why he has failed to keep so many of his promises.
Pigotry,
Actually it was Dick Cheney who said that the booming deficit was no big deal. While he and NeoCons associated with military-industrialists and the multinational oil industry got us into and kept us their until we left 10years later. Ironically the cheapest part of the war was actual combat phase, fewest casualties and lowest expenses. We started spending more money per month and suffering more casualities after GW's "Mission Accomplished" photo-op.
Pigotry,
How is this for Flip-Flopping?:
Obama said in a speech today that he says what he means and means what he says. Yeah, right. If you believe that, I have some ocean-front property to sell you in Florida.
He said he would reduce the national debt by $5 trillion. Instead he increased it by $6.2 trillion to $16.2 trillion. Flip-flop.
He promised he would reduce unemployment to 5.6%. Instead, due to his policies it INCREASED to over 8% for a record 43 months! Saying it is now 7.8% is a joke since they conveniently excluded California with its 10%+ unemployment rate. It's still over 8% folks, and probably much higher since many have quit looking for work or dropped off unemployment benefits. Flip-flop.
He promised healthcare costs would go down some $2,500 per year. Instead they went UP over $2,500 per year. Flip-flop.
He promised he would pass comprehensive immigration reform in his first term. He did NOTHING about immigration reform. Flip-flop.
He probably promised a balanced budget. He hasn't had a budget in three years!! The last one he proposed got shot down by 100% of the House of Representatives. What a joke. The man is incompetent.
I could go on and on, but do you get the picture?
Barack Obama is a compulsive liar. He also lied about Benghazi, Libya, but the mainstream media, which is in love with him, refuses to even report it. Four Americans died over there and they didn't even try to help them! That is not who I want leading this country. This will only encourage more violence against Americans. Please, please vote him out of office in November. Thanks!
DB Akron -
Such BS!
Let's start with the first year, 2009. Before Obama even took office, the CBO was projecting a $1.2T deficit due to the budget that George W. Bush signed and the $700B bailout for Wall Street. Obama had no control over that!
Fact is, by the time Bush approved spending was over, our national debt was $11.9T. Bush started with $5.7T. Do the math! A Republican president with Republican majorities in both houses for 6 out of 8 years is responsible for 40% of the current $16T debt we have.
If elected, I fully expect that Romney will continue that tradition. After all, the only parts of Romney's plan that he has been clear on is 20% across the board tax cut (~$5T over ten years) and increased Defense spending (~$2T over 10 years). What he hasn't been clear on is how he will pay for that. So once he gets in office, he won't pay for that - it will all go on our national debt.
That is good, except for one little thing. The budget that President Bush signed was one that was already passed by the Congress. You know the place that then Sen. Obama was. So he had to have voted for the same budget that he now says he inherited.
That national debt has been shrinking for three years and is now down to the same level it was in 2006.
U.S. debt has shrunk to a six-year low relative to the size of the economy as homeowners, cities and companies cut borrowing, undermining rating companies’ downgrading of the nation’s credit rating.
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Reduced borrowing means there is less competition for the U.S. Treasury Department as it sells debt to fund spending programs to help the nation recover from the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Photographer: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg
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Oct. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Carlo Cottarelli, director of the International Monetary Fund's fiscal affairs department, talks about the global economy, U.S. deficit and Europe's debt crisis. Cottarelli speaks with Sara Eisen in Tokyo on Bloomberg Television's "Surveillance." (Source: Bloomberg)
Total indebtedness including that of federal and state governments and consumers has fallen to 3.29 times gross domestic product, the least since 2006, from a peak of 3.59 four years ago, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Private- sector borrowing is down by $4 trillion to $40.2 trillion.
U.S. Downgrade Seen as Upgrade as U.S. Debt Dissolved - Bloomberg
national debt at the end of FY 06, $8,506,973,899,215.23
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm
it is now over $16T
09/30/2006
8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2006
8,506,973,899,215.23
And Bush held the veto pen. Of course he might have been out of practice with it. Until 2006 there were Republican majorities in both the HR and Senate and Bush couldn't find anything to dislike in the Republican agenda. From 2001 to 2007, Bush and the Republican dominated Congress expanded our national debt from $5.7T to $9T - 1.6X. Yeah, Bush never met any Republican spending he didn't like!
EEngineer,
Not sure if you are aware, but former POTUS Bush is not running in this election. He did a lousy job with the spending but not nearly as bad as Obama. The numbers are the numbers under Obama and by virtually every single measure they are miserable.
He cannot work across the aisle to solve our problems and must go for the good of the nation. Sorry to speak the unvarnished truth as I am sure it is tough to swallow for you, but those are the facts.
Thank you.
@ ONTOR,
170+ people in Wisconsin are due to lose their jobs at the Beginning of December, I heard as early as Nov. 5th but any case they will be with out a job. Are they eligible for help if they need it, I sure as hell hope so! Do you want to tell them why and who is sending their jobs to China? You're about as stupid as some of the comments you made here. Why don't you be honest with us and tell us the real reason you won't vote for the President? Why don't you be honest and tell the American people why someone that ran off to France during the Vietnam War should be President. Tell us why Willard's Grandfather left the United States when being investigated for polygamy or how none of Willard's sons will fight for this country. Why don't you tell us why Willard only employees part time workers at Staples and he pays his Management at his businesses $9 an hour! Do you know what jobs he's going to create, 12 million of them? Comedians, he's writing the material for them everyday. To tell you the truth, I'm getting tired of laughing at him. He really is not funny, it actually annoying to hear all the lies him a Ryan are telling. Now there's a clown face if I ever saw one, Ryan. He won't show you his teeth when he smiles because they are caked with lies. I can only hope someday like Facebook, people like you get your real names and addresses exposed so people know who you really are.
@ Truth Conveyer,
Do you really expect to do better with Romney? Shame on you for selling out American's. Shame on you for backing a man that would close the factory you work at just to make a buck.
Do you really expect us to elect a man that doesn't know Iran is not a land locked country? It has beaches if you need it simpler.
Tell the 170+ people in Wisconsin right now losing their jobs why you think the man that created the company that's been doing this for years should be their President.
I don't need a boss I need a President, you should grow a pair and become your own boss.
Truth Conveyer, a very apt moniker.
Conveyer; One that conveys, especially a mechanical apparatus that transports materials, packages, or items being assembled from one place to another.
In your case, carrying the truth to another place where it becomes a lie. The President reached across the aisle repeatedly. Each and every time, his efforts were resisted or met with dialog that promised compliance if only the principles of his proposals were changed altogether. He often made those changes in good faith only to be rebuffed and mocked afterwards.
The President has been well schooled by the hard knocks of Republican back-stabbing. He will not be so naive in his second term. The Republicans will be forced to petition the White-house for compromise. The President will no longer deal with them behind closed doors. They will sign public agreements beforehand or be ushered out the door. That is as it should be due to their past record of deviousness. The nation will then move into fast-forward towards her recovery with or without Republican support.
Sure could have fooled me! Romney has exactly the same platform that Bush did. Tax cuts will increase revenue, less (NO) government regulation and beating the war drums before he even gets into office. Romney has hired 75% of George W. Bush's advisors.
No, what you are looking at is George W. Bush all over again. Elect Romney and 5 years from now we will all be bitching about the Romney Recession!
Guys,
Again, Bush is NOT running. I repeat, Bush is not on the ticket. BTW, I think the nuance you are missing is that those people in Wisconsin are losing their jobs on Obama's watch, not Romneys. You do remember that Obama has been POTUS for the last four years, and NOT Romney....don't you? I have no clue how you could in any way, shape or form blame Romney for that?????
And Confussed, yes, I do expect Romney to do better. Obama totally lost faith in 50% of the population when he rammed through Obama care without a single Republican vote based on his institutional crony capitalism bribery.
I think the reasons that Obama is unqualified are reflective of his "results". That being said, I know you guys are of the mind that everything should be free and the rest of the world should think we are "cool". I suggest you wake up and smell the coffee!
BTW, I did not even mention BengahziGATE. Obama left our operatives hang out to dry....that is a fact.
Its time for you to change your name to "Scarecrow". If you only had a brain. Please go back to 2008 when republicans were still pushing their NEW Health Care Act Bill. It was an almost exact copy of ROMNEYCARE which is the same as OBAMACARE.
With the large number of Bush advisors on Mittens staff it might as well be Bush III. All people want you to do is really look at Mitts REAL record and I don't mean the one Fox gives you.
The company is moving to China under Bains direction under rules Romney set down as CEO of Bain.
You left out one little detail on the National Debt. Bush 2 left two wars and the Prescription Drug bill off the books. That's why they were called the UNFUNDED WARS and UNFUNDED DRUG BILL. When Obama took office he ordered them put on the books causing a big bump in the debt.
Joe,
I repeat, Bush is not running this time around. Again, Bush and Cheney are not on the ticket. Conitnuing, Obama has been POTUS the last four years. Is he accountable for anything?
You guys crack me up....lololol!
Joe, again a President has no control over what is or is not on the budget. That is all done by Congress.
Hello? Massachusetts?
Mitt was our governor. He's running on his term as our governor. A term in which he was rarely here btw.
Surely there must be someone here to campaign and vouch for his record in Massachusetts. There must be some Republican politician here somewhere whose name Romney actually knew who could campaign alongside Romney.
Meanwhile, the Washington Post has President Obama UP in Virginia.
GOTV.
Why doesn't Obama put everyone on welfare already ?
Pat: The best thing Willard did as governor of your commonwealth was take a vacation. ☺
Obama/Biden 2012
Obama/Biden out in 2012
Exito, Mitt is from Massachusetts, a state the righties HATE. So he decides to essentially remove himself from health care here in MA. He essentially removes his moderation and goes full scale right wing. More or less telling those nuts that he's one of them.
And look where they got him.
haha!
It is a little over a week before the election and the nation is doing what it always does just about now. It moves collectively toward one candidate.
And that one candidate is our president. At least according to new polls.
We have to continue to GOTV.
Welfare never caused the TRILLIONS in National debt .
NOT even a tiny fraction.
ALL GOP POLICES since Reagan caused the National debt to be at $16 TRILLION.
troll
ONTOR ...
Tell ya what little one, why don't you go out door to door and tell them to do so? In the meantime STFU! Seriously... if that is all you have? I've noticed from your posts you do NOT endorse Romney but you have a helluva lot to say about your President. Stand up and state something! Grow a pair Jim wanna be!
Obama/Biden 2012
BOZOhussen now wants to replace The Bald Eagle an the National Seal with Big Bird handing out Birth control Pills to Children!!!
Obama up in electoral votes
bye, bye Mitty.....LOL
boring joe, Careful dude, your racism is showing!!
How many of those voting for Rack and ruin are doing so for purely racist reasons?
I have a brother who lives in Missouri who has said that he will never vote for that n***er.
The GOP is running the most divisive, offensive and contentious election campaign as far as I can remember. I have voted in 11 presidential elections in the USA. I have never seen more unethical, seamy and profligate rhetoric used during a presidential election.
Now this infection has climbed on to the state and local election campaigns as well with additional prevarication of innumerable proportions.
No need to state the obvious and plain difference between President Obama and Romney. No one is that blind or deaf as not to understand the inexplicit message bracketed within the rhetoric: An inference easily accomplished by the majority. President Abraham Lincoln’s spirit is most likely filled with unendurable sorrow over this shameful deed.
I have been receiving postal mail and email from various unknown and mysterious sources and organizations. These communications instate lies and misrepresentations, which range from minor concerns to matters of the utmost importance for the people of the USA.
The point is to frighten the voters about the incumbent and thereby get the vote for the GOP’s candidate. Declaring misrepresentation such as: The end of Social Security, the end of Medicare. Cuts to social welfare programs to the indigent, families, children and the elderly.
Additionally, falsely predicting higher taxation for all, rules and regulations to restrain business, higher dependence on foreign energy sources and major decreases to the military budget, all patently false information.
The GOP’s most odious and malicious statements have been to claim that the incumbent is ruining America, destroying the American family and damaging the future of the USA.
Here is to all the media, organizations, individuals and various supporters of the GOP and their candidates. When the election is over, and if by some devious form of chicanery the GOP manages to marginally get their candidates jammed in to office, remember this: The end of the election process is not the end of the USA and its citizens. When the hammer starts to pound and the vise to tighten, there will be those who remember and refer to the events which led to the impending crisis and there will be retribution. After all this is the most glorious and gleaming United States of America.
We cannot afford obama's wife Michelle much less obama for another four years;
But according to new reports, this is the least of their extravagances.
White House sources today claimed that the First Lady has spent $10million of U.S. taxpayers’ money on vacations alone in the past year.
Branding her ‘disgusting‘ and ‘a vacation junkie‘, they say the 47-year-old mother-of-two has been indulging in five-star hotels, where she splashes out on expensive massages and alcohol.
The ‘top source‘ told the National Enquirer: ‘It’s disgusting. Michelle is taking advantage of her privileged position while the most hardworking Americans can barely afford a week or two off work.
‘When it’s all added up, she’s spent more than $10million in taxpayers’ money on her vacations.’
The First Lady is believed to have taken 42 days of holiday in the past year, including a $375,000 break in Spain and a four-day ski trip to Vail, Colorado, where she spent $2,000 a night on a suite at the Sebastian hotel.
And the first family’s nine-day stay in Martha’s Vineyard is also proving costly, with rental of the Blue Heron Farm property alone costing an estimated $50,000 a week.
That is 2.5 million a year for Michelle's vacations.
Hmmm, but it is OK if you are Republican?
Calls to several Presidential libraries reveal that President Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush, was on vacation more — 1,020 days — than any U.S. President since Herbert Hoover and possibly more than any other President in history.
Even President Franklin D. Roosevelt, who was in office 12 years from 1933 to 1945, was on vacation less days than President Bush at 958 days. Calls to several Presidential Libraries reveal that no President can come close to Bush’s 1,020 days on vacation in an 8 year period. Even Lyndon Johnson, who spent 484 days at his ranch in Texas and at Camp David during his presidency, came in under Bush’s vacation time. Some claim the cost of Bush’s frequent trips to Crawford, Texas cost taxpayers upwards of $20 million, but the numbers are hard to confirm.
President Bush spent 32% of his presidency on vacation.
Where was your outrage then?
MJL-3
HA HA HA, because he wasn't a good GOV, and he has no good record :)
OMFG. Really? What does Osama have to run on? nothing. Go back to the litter box.
Where the hell have you been the last 4 yrs?????
On you yacht in the ocean???
Ontor get lost
Osama Bin Laden is dead and I would so expect that he is not running on anythng .....
Obama/Biden 2012
ontour....goood work!!!!...keep the Marxist Trolls fuming!!!
Fixed that for ya! Because one of the things he has to run on is that he actaully managed to find and kill Osama - something George W. Bush couldn't manage with 7 years of trying(?).
Here's more:
...the numbers for Bush's last three months. Between October and November, 597,000 jobs were lost; between November and December, 681,000 were lost; and between December and January, 741,000 were lost.
April 2012 marks the 26th straight month of gains in private-sector employment, for a total of 4.2 million private-sector jobs.
DJIA Dec 26, 2008 8515
DJIA Oct 26, 2012 13107
Dec 29, 2008 U.S. (Bloomberg) corporate earnings fell for a sixth-straight quarter, the longest streak in at least 20 years, as consumer spending on automobiles, homes and retailers collapsed.
May 11, 2012 Fortune magazine released its ranking of the 500 biggest US corporations Monday, which showed that they received a record-breaking $824 billion in combined profits in 2011, up 16 percent from 2010.
Are we better off than we were 4 years ago? Hell, yes!
Attack if you don't have anything to run on..... A great line in 2008 from Obama.
I guess he is continuing to practice what he preaches. Standard operating procedure for all 4 of his campaigns (state legislature, Senate and two Presidential).
“The mere fact that you have a legal power to keep something secret does not mean you should always use it..."
“For a long time now, there's been too much secrecy in this city. The old rules said that if there was a defensible argument for not disclosing something to the American people, then it should not be disclosed. That era is now over. Starting today, every agency and department should know that this administration stands on the side not of those who seek to withhold information but those who seek to make it known.”
“I will also hold myself as president to a new standard of openness.... Information will not be withheld just because I say so."
These quotes are from Barack Obama during his last campaign... too bad his supporters never remember what he's said.....
Our national debt has been shrinking for three years and is now down to the same level as 2006. It was going up in 2006 and now it is going down. The last republicon who managed that teat was Ford.
People are walking up! Who IS the REAL Mitt Romney?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/17/la-times-romneys-a-drug-money-launderer/
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Then there is this????
So Obama SHOULD be ahead of Mitt........Mitt is NOT presidential.
MJL
Here is the true & verified story. Ohio has 2 counties that use the machines, but Tag's investment company does not own significant enough stock in the voting machine company to influence it in any way!
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/10/ohio_voting_machines_are_not_c.html#incart_m-rpt-2
MJL-3 . . .
I am guessing that the President is already ahead and will continue to get the popular vote. The polls are based on those with land lines that actually answer them. My parents are a great example. They love FOX and they have always been Republicans. They don't understand what that party has become. Elderly people want to vote for the party that represented them. The Tea Party does not stand for any of the elderly. They stand for their bat @!$%# crazy get my name in the news and who cares who it hurts.
God bless this country. It needs His blessing and NOT from a stupid TP wanna be.
Obama/Biden 2012
Can you imagine what would have happened had Obama been president and allowed 911 to occur with no stepped-up national security to stop it!!! He would have been lynched, impeached and hung by the repubs before any steps were taken to stop the horrible perpetrators. That is what the repubs are attempting now.
BOZOhussen can NOT run on his Sorry record!!! . What a pathetic joke he has been!!!
citizens -
Then tell me, why did Obama not do his duty and at least try to protect the ambassador?
If he did not wish to provide more security he could have evacuated the ambassador like the UK did. Obama failed in his duty. Period.
In fact, his administration watched what was happening and still he did NOTHING!
And then to lie about the event! The gall of Obama and his administration is disgusting. By the way, when are trumped up charges against the filmmaker going to be dropped? Although, he will probably need to be put into witness protection along with the actors because of Obama's mess.
Tammy,
The diplomat went to Benghazi against the advice of his own security and the Department of State. When he left the security of embassy compound, he took only four people with him and only two of those were security personnel. You make it sound like all the television footage you watched was live. Do you realize that this had all happened the night before? We have little evidence what the real communications before, during and immediately after the attacks were. We do know that the man was warned not to spend the night in Benghazi by local militia commanders and local politicians. We do not know what was in the ambassador's mind; if I leave, do I and America look weak? We do know that he was in Benghazi to restart local business and international trade. But, he perhaps ought to have spent more time assessing political stability and real government security control.
You accuse Barack Obama of doing nothing and lying about it. Do you persinally know what the President knew, by whom he was told and when? Do you know if the President was ever advised of the requests for additional security, or did those conversations stop at a lower level in the State Department? Were additional security forces even available within a timely manner?
Regarding the filmmaker, he will have a well-publicized day in court. I cannot understand your sympathy toward this man. He had a criminal record before his conviction on mail-fraud. He was on federal probation with extemely limited funds and tightly-controlled computer access privleges (probably to keep him from setting up another fraud). Yet, he managed to raise over $500 000 dollars to make this film. He recruited actors by lying to them, saying he was making a Biblical story. He apparently stiffed most of his actors a good part of their pay. And editted the clumsy "Biblical" film into an anti-Islam tirade. Yep, sounds like a victim of a coverup, which was originally setup when Barack Obama had just been elected to the US Senate, and which the victim apparently voluntarily performed without coaching or even a script. And, as I am now considered by many to be an older, if not old man, I am also cynical enough to believe that the "anti-Islam filmmaker" is an Islamic extremist living in America, using Americans and American tools to create propaganda to foment and spread hatred. Wouldn't be the first, in a long line going back at least 100years.
DB Akron.
Remember the brand new Diebold machine in some seven counties that only seemed to record Republican votes in 2000? A three-day recount as I recall.
Tammy, you and the others seem to act as though this the first embassy that has been attacked. You quote off a lot of stuff that would appear to be part of the current investigation of what happened in Libya. You don't speak of the fact that the republicant congress turned down the request from the administration for additional funds for embassy security. I wonder how you felt when the towers were hit on 9/11 or the following attacks occurred under Bush. You tell me how we should look at the republicant administrations responsible for allowing them to happen:
Donald Rumsfeld was Secretary of War Defense between 2001 and 2006, so none of this should be news to him:
June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.
February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Truck bomb kills 17.
February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.
July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.
December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.
March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.
September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.
January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.
July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.
March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.
September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.
So did those attacks (and the 9/11 ones, for that matter) happen because of "perceived American weakness"? Is that what Rumsfeld wants to argue—that our country's diplomatic missions were targeted because George Bush's America was perceived as weak?
As for Obama, the attacks in Cairo and Benghazi are the first two attacks on a U.S. diplomatic mission in an ostensibly peaceful country during his entire presidency. The embassy in Afghanistan was targeted by the Taliban last Sept. 13, but that's a country at war.
If you buy Rumsfeld's nonsense, you can tally the numbers to determine which administration was "perceived weaker.".......The same people who were running things back then are now the advisers for mitt robbedme. He's shown he has no knowledge of foreign affairs. But I'm sure that won't matter because it's all about getting the colored man out of office so robbedme can, as he says, "take America back". Back from what I'm not sure. I know what is going to happen if we let the biggest LIAR that has ever run for the Office of President in our history get in office.....It's not going to be a benefit to anyone not in the top 1%.....
...the numbers for Bush's last three months. Between October and November, 597,000 jobs were lost; between November and December, 681,000 were lost; and between December and January, 741,000 were lost.
April 2012 marks the 26th straight month of gains in private-sector employment, for a total of 4.2 million private-sector jobs.
DJIA Dec 26, 2008 8515
DJIA Oct 26, 2012 13107
Dec 29, 2008 (Bloomberg) U.S. corporate earnings fell for a sixth-straight quarter, the longest streak in at least 20 years, as consumer spending on automobiles, homes and retailers collapsed.
May 11, 2012 Fortune magazine released its ranking of the 500 biggest US corporations Monday, which showed that they received a record-breaking $824 billion in combined profits in 2011, up 16 percent from 2010.
If that is a sorry record then I want more of it! And less of what the last Republican administartion provided! If Mitt Romney wins this election then 5 years from now we can all bitch about the Romney Recession!
In fact, this is nothing but a ugly rumor being spread among the radical right-wing crazies and doesn't have a shred of truth to it.
It's a shameful lie. Stop spreading it.
Bill Marvell ... excellent post ..... you know it's a good one when the republicans are "no comment" .... no retort back to the truth .... ....
OBAMA 2012
It is interesting. The two States Romney claim as his two "homes" Michigan where he grew up and Massachussetts that he Governed. These two two States are the least favorable to him. He is so unpopular in MA that Scott Brown is afraid to mention his name. In Michigan Romney is so toxic, he has not campaigned there in a while.
It seems that the people who know Romney the most do not like him. No wonder he keeps everything about him so secret. No one would vote for him if we really knew him. Still the polls are tight.
Mr romney, during his term Massachusetts fell from 36th to 47th out of 50 states in JOB CREATION!!!
Please don't let this man become the president.
No one really wants Obama anymore .
They just pretend they do .
ONTOR ...
Talking about pretending ... Jim Morrison would have voted Democrat. You know it.
Obama/Biden 2012
ONTOR,
Funny. I live in a world with both Democrats and Replublicans, with some Libertarians and some TeaPartiers as well. But there must be something in the tea that Karl Rove and the Koch brothers have brewed up. You apparently can look at the same 46-46 poll that the rest of American sees as tied, and draw the conclusion that "No one really wants Obama anymore. They just pretend they do."
Perhaps you are reflecting on the Republican Party's resolution thay they were stuck with him. Or Mitt's remarks about ignoring the 47% to multi-millionaire contributors about those of us not born to wealth, or the opportunities to marry, build or steal it.
There is a real world out there.
This is a necessarily-long post detailing what we know so far about the Benghazi attack. I believe I have brought together information from multiple sources that has not been seen in one place before:
Ambassador Stevens believed strongly that an attack was likely, and made multiple unambiguous requests for additional security in Libya.
In June 2012, the Consulate in Benghazi, Libya was damaged by an improvised explosive device. Stevens reported to his superiors that an Islamist group (Ansar al-Shariah?) had claimed credit for the attack. Shortly after that a British Embassy convoy in Benghazi was also attacked. And again, Ambassador Stevens requested more security forces for Benghazi.
Karen Keshap and Shawn P. Crowley, State Department employees, as well as Eric Nordstrom the State Department's Regional Security Officer, all made multiple complaints about the inadequate security in Benghazi. Crowley, had even apologized in an email for "being a broken record" on the subject of inadequate security in Benghazi.
In response to all these requests, the Obama Administration refused to increase security at the US Consulate in Benghazi, at all.
On the morning of September 11, Ambassador Stevens signed a three-page cable, labeled "sensitive," in which he noted "growing problems with security" in Benghazi. As before, he was ignored.
On the evening of September 11, in what would become his last known public meeting, Stevens met with the Turkish Consul General Ali Sait Akin, and escorted him out of the consulate front gate at about 8:35 PM.
Possibly related to this meeting with the Turkish Consul General: There was a CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. Consulate. Part of their mission was to track and repurchase arms in Benghazi that had proliferated in the wake of Muammar Qaddafi's fall, including 20,000 missing shoulder-fired antiaircraft missiles. Stevens may have been in Benghazi to negotiate a weapons transfer in an effort to get such missiles out of the hands of Libya-based extremists. Five days previously, the Libyan-flagged vessel Al Entisar, was received in the Turkish port of Iskenderun -- 35 miles from the Syrian border. According to a September 14 report by the Times of London, Al Entisar was carrying 800,000 pounds of cargo. Some of it was humanitarian, but it also included a large consignment of weapons headed for the Syrian rebels.
One hour later, at about 9:35 PM on the night of September 11 2012, the Consulate in Benghazi, Libya was attacked by 20 – 100 heavily armed terrorists with rocket propelled grenades and machine guns. Ambassador Stevens, and four of his personnel moved to the compound "safe haven". The terrorists torched the compound with incendiary devices. Information Management Officer, Sean Smith, was killed during this period.
Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down." Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."
To emphasize: The first communications to CIA, reporting the attack, were almost simultaneous with the first shots fired.
Woods and at least two others ignored the orders to stand down and made their way to the consulate which, at that point, was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and the body of Sean Smith. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.
Ahmed Abu Khattala, a leader of the Benghazi-based Islamist group Ansar al-Shariah, or "Partisans of Islamic Law," was observed commanding the attack that night.
Tyrone Woods was joined at the scene by fellow former Navy SEAL Glen Doherty. They were later killed by a mortar shell at 4 am, nearly seven hours after the attack on the consulate began. Four mortar rounds were fired at the annex. The first one struck outside the annex. Three more hit the annex. The team inside the annex captured three Libyan attackers, but were then forced to hand them over to the Libyans. U.S. officials do not know what happened to those three attackers or whether they were released by the Libyan forces.
Two military surveillance drones were sent to Benghazi shortly after the attack on the consulate began. Both were capable of sending real time visuals back to U.S. officials in Washington, D.C. Any U.S. official or agency with the proper clearance, including the White House Situation Room, State Department, CIA, Pentagon and others, could call up that video in real time on their computers.
Two hours after the attack started, Obama was informed through unclassified channels that "the diplomatic mission is under attack. Embassy Tripoli reports approximately 20 armed people fired shots; explosions have been heard as well." The SBU (Sensitive But Unclassified) email did not report any crowds, demonstrators or protestors. It is safe to assume that the urgent classified communications from CIA came to Obama and Clinton much sooner, and with far more detail. Other SBU emails, obtained by Reuters, specifically mention that Ansar al-Sharia had asserted responsibility for the attacks. Again there was never any mention of crowds, demonstrators or protestors.
At about the same time that Obama received the unclassified emails two hours into the attack, CIA operators at the Annex called again for military support and help because they were now taking fire. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. One member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. (Questions: Was he given permission to return fire? Did he?) He had a laser pointing at the Libyan mortar team that was targeting the CIA annex, and the operators were calling in coordinates of where the Libyan forces were firing from. They repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by Special Ops forces to provide support to teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The Gunship was never allowed to take off.
The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. A Special Ops team that specializes in counter-terrorism rescues was also on hand at Sigonella. They could have flown to Benghazi in less than two hours. They were told to “wait.”
Throughout the attack, which lasted for approximately seven hours, classified and unclassified information, real time surveillance video, requests for support, and reports from on-site personnel were pouring into the White House Situation Room. The big missing piece of the puzzle at that point was who denied permission for the CIA operators to rescue Ambassador Stevens when the attack started? Who denied the request for military support? Who grounded the Spectre Gunship? Who told the Special Operations Forces to “wait”?
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta on October 25 defended the lack of U.S. military response, saying the situation on the ground was “too confusing.”
Twelve hours after the attack began, the body of Ambassador Chris Stevens was finally found being dragged through the streets of Benghazi. A Libyan official said “He died suffocation,” but a news report made by the Libyan Free Press reported that Ambassador Stevens was sodomized before he was killed. Question: Where was he during those twelve hours, and what was being done to him? Dragging his body through the streets may have been to obscure marks of brutal torture while he was still alive.
The following day Obama made an ambiguous statement that may or may not have acknowledged that this was a terrorist attack.
Immediately after Obama's statement though, administration spokespersons, including White House spokesman Jay Carney, maintained for two weeks that the attacks likely were a spontaneous protest against an anti-Muslim film. They offered no evidence to support that contention.
After two weeks, faced with all the mounting and incontrovertible evidence, Obama finally admitted that it was a pre-planned terrorist attack.
On October 17 The New York Times reported that "Libyan authorities have singled out Ahmed Abu Khattala, a leader of the Benghazi-based Islamist group Ansar al-Shariah, or "Partisans of Islamic Law," as a commander in the attack." This confirmed the unclassified email that Obama had received on September 11.
Had Obama told the truth at the time, he would have been admitting that he had committed a huge error in judgment not to grant the consulate's repeated security requests, especially on the anniversary of 9/11. He clearly had a great deal of motivation to call it a "spontaneous demonstration," and that is exactly what he did!
On October 25, leading congressional lawmakers applied new pressure to the Obama administration for information on the attack: "The American public is increasingly reading information contradicting early accounts by your administration of the causes of the events of the day. "In the absence of your direct engagement to clarify these concerns, the public's frustration and confusion is likely to discredit efforts to achieve our shared goals of justice and accountability for the direct assault on American interests and the deaths of four public servants."
On October 26, A man suspected of involvement in the Benghazi attack was killed in Cairo, Egypt. Authorities named the man only as “Hazem”.
Sorry for the long post, and I'm afraid it will get longer as more and more information comes to light.
WHere is you links?
Umm, Obama stated it was terrorist the very next day...I watched it....
Obama's losing the military vote badly now .
Kannin
So ... did you add or change anything since this afternoon? If so you should say so.
KNOCK OFF the comment spamming, or you will be banned...
Hope this clears UP any confusion on your part!
Kannin - you have been posting this all day - stop apologizing for it being so long and . . . just stop!
CONDI RICE said Obama did the right things re: Libya.
Gen Colin Powell endorsed Obama.
NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR RANTING RE LIBYA except other GOP/RWNJ's
You are not changing minds. You are not changing votes. You are certainly not changing hearts!
Obama-Biden, 2012 . . . Myth Robme 1040's!
Update:
28. Oct 26, 2012, “President Obama Begs Off Answering Whether Americans in Benghazi Were Denied Requests for Help” -Jake Tapper ABC News.
I have drawn multiple references from each of from many unclassified sources including NBC, ABC, Fox, CNN, New York Times, US Government press releases, and Reuters. Posting links to all would be impractical.
About 75% of the information I have posted is corroborated by more than one source. I estimate that about 85% of the information will prove to be entirely accurate, and about 15% will require modification or deletion. And I will continue to update this post accordingly. Feel free to put me on "ignore" if what I post wastes your time or makes you uncomfortable.
MJL....He didn't state it was a terrorist attack the next day. I read the transcripts. He never says that this was a terrorist attack. No where does he directly refer to it as a terrorist attack. You also need to add to the equation that he and others in his administration said it wasn't a terrorist attack when directly asked about it. I don't know how you can miss all that information.
MJL-3
Please do not ask Kannin to also post his links.
Good suggestion! I will do so in the future.
@Kannin - excellent post on the facts. Yes, there will be more coming out in the near future. Just wonder if the truth will be told. The POTUS and Hillary have blood on their hands. These men did not have to die. They need to be held accountable for the deaths of these Americans.
No one cares. Look at the posts, it is like Satan swooped down and people lost their senses.
@Feisty - you call Benghazi posts "spamming?" Why don't you call the father of Tyrone Woods and tell him that Benghazi didn't happen and that the POTUS just wants it to go away? I'm sure he would love to hear from you. This father knows that it is being covered up by the administration because of the election. His son is an American hero for saving 30 people when he was told to "STAND DOWN" by Obama, Hillary and everyone else in the Situation Room that night - and you know it. It will all come out - you better start looking for a job. Obama is going down - you will be unemployed - much like the rest of the people in the US.
And nary a source provided, meaning it can't be proved or disproved, meaning it is factually faulty.
Ontor, sorry you are not a credible source for anything, nor are your sources.
Kannin, "your entitled to your own perceptions, but not your own facts". I don't know who are or what you think, but after Gen. Colin Powell endorsed President Obama, I suspect your "facts" about the Benghazi attack are a little south of lala land. If your worried about our national security, please understand that if Gen. Powell supports President Obama, so should you!!!
Kannin,
First, the Ambassador Stevens traveled to Benghazi on his own initiative, despite also documented wanings from his own security and from the State Department. He could have rescheduled his meeting with the Turks and with the locals.
Second, I don't know who the 'Libyan Free Press' is, and I suspect that you don't either. But a grainy cell phone video in bad life showed what was puported to be the Ambassador's body being carried (occasionaly dragged due material strectch or arm droop) by local "friendlies" who removed his body from the consulate bedroom and kept it until they could turn it over to the Americans. Did the Libyan Free Press also indicate to hero(es) of Islam who sodmized the Ambassador?
Third, attacks on US embassies and consulates are actually far more common than you think. Even with RPG's, missiles or a few mortar rounds. While the CIA annex/"safe" house may have had clear communications with the consulate, there is still a confusing track of how 'in-theater' communications were being handled, and with whom. The CIA, the military (which command), the State Department (embassy)? History teaches us a lesson in Pearl Harbor, not only did we ignore Taranto (British destroy the Italian fleet in moorage by air from an aircraft carrier), our own earlier wargame exercise, and the diappearance of nearly 1/3 of the JIN fleet; but on the morning of the attack, radar alerts were rejected at a low-level as incoming US aircraft and birds (despite the fact that the returns were the wrong size and on the wrong headings), the Ward's action report on a minisub was at first disputed at a low level and then reported the next day, And as even as the bombs fell and ships began exploding. notifying generals and admirals took a back-seat to running for cover. It took nearly half an hour to notify the local top brass of that attack, which lasted less than 90minutes. It may have been 71years ago, but radiowaves still travel at the same rate, It took 3 more hours to notify Roosevelt.
Fourth, apparently Obama's Rose Garden interview is subject to some selective editting, but when I heard on CNN in the evening, it did include the words terrorist attack. What it apparently did not do was outline the words in neon, provoke an immediate and indiscriminant missile attack, nor launch us into another failed war and nation building effort. But those are apparently your and Mitt Romney's priorities.
But even your extensive narrative leaves out a ton of issues. Why won't we just send Seals or Special Forces personnel based on two sets of night-time pictures of a fire-fight in a city of 700k? Why would it be a bad idea to send more people with guns into a country with virtually no defined central government or armed forces and police capable of maintaining order. Your own item #7 alludes to 20k shouldier-fired anti-aircraft missiles being in unknown hands, great way to kill all your best at the hands of what we mockingly distain. And by most descriptions the Ambassador probably died about the time they would have arrived. And who do you think the trap was set for? The Ambassador, or the Seals or Special Forces?
.... YOU WANT TO BLAME OBAMA FOR WHAT HAPPENED IN THE MIDDLE EAST? Not to discount the American loss of those four men killed ... May God bless them and their families ....
THIS IS WHAT BUSH DID or DIDN'T DO ON AMERICAN SOIL ....
What Bush Knew Before Sept.11
"We were trying to figure out what they (al Qaeda) would do. We never had specifics about time, place, MO (method of operation)."
U.S. intelligence official, commenting anonymously.
President Bush was told in the months before the Sept. 11 attacks that Osama bin Laden's terrorist network might hijack U.S. passenger planes - information which prompted the administration to issue an alert to federal agencies - but not the American public.
CBS News National Security Correspondent David Martin says the warning was in a document called the President's Daily Brief, which is considered to be the single most important document that the U.S. intelligence community turns out. The document did not, however, mention the possibility of planes being flown
into buildings.
An agent in the FBI's Arizona office did, however, speculate about that, writing in his case notes about Zacarias Moussaoui that Moussaoui seemed like the type of person who was capable of flying an aircraft into the World Trade Center.
It was the observation of an agent taking notes as he thought about his case - an observation whose significance simply did not register at the time.
White House spokesman Ari Fleischer says that while President Bush was told last summer that bin Laden's al Qaeda network might hijack planes, he did not receive information suggesting that airplanes might be used as suicide bombs, as they were on Sept. 11.
Fleischer emphasizes that "until the attack took place, I think it's fair to say that no one envisioned that as a possibility."
The revelation about the president's security briefing comes as House and Senate Intelligence Committee investigators prepare for public hearings beginning next month on whether an intelligence community which spends $30 billion a year should have been able to provide a more specific warning in advance of Sept. 11.
The New York Times reports that an FBI agent in Arizona warned his superiors last summer that bin Laden might be sending students to U.S. flight schools.
Investigators have since Sept. 11 suspected bin Laden's al Qaeda network of masterminding the terror attacks on America, which killed more than 3,000 people.
Republicans don't want to see the bigger picture .... the middle east has been at war since forever ... the attacks on the embassy happened in the middle east .... Bush was for-warned too ... and did nothing and they attacked us AMERICAN SOIL .... HUGE DIFFERENCE .....
MIDDLE EAST - 4 KILLED
AMERICAN SOIL - 3000 KILLED .... YES REPUBLICANS EXPLAIN THAT ONE .....
MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA .... AND AMERICA VOTE FOR OBAMA 2012
DEAR MR PRESIDENT..... you said you have given the middle-class all sorts of tax breaks.....ah NO.......SENIORS LIKE ME GOT ZERO, NADA, ZIP, THE BIG 'O'........YOU HAVE COST US MONEY, LOT'S OF IT....WE DO NOT FORGET...
Obama doesn't care about you .
Ontor is a 12 year old sitting in his basement trying to think how to make the grown-ups mad! Honestly, you post no information that would change anyone's mind! Go back to your comic books!
“The mere fact that you have a legal power to keep something secret does not mean you should always use it..."
“For a long time now, there's been too much secrecy in this city. The old rules said that if there was a defensible argument for not disclosing something to the American people, then it should not be disclosed. That era is now over. Starting today, every agency and department should know that this administration stands on the side not of those who seek to withhold information but those who seek to make it known.”
“I will also hold myself as president to a new standard of openness.... Information will not be withheld just because I say so."
These quotes are from Barack Obama during his last campaign... too bad his supporters never remember what he's said.....
stayinformednow,
But Mitt and Paul Ryan will? You do realize that you have been overcharged on virtually all doctor's visits, lab tests, and hospital visits, simply because you had guaranteed insurance, which 13-26% of your younger neighbors lack? The $500billion in Medicare cuts that Gov. Romney quotes were actually negotiated with hospital trade groups and doctor's associations, In exchange for more realistic experience and actual cost-based billing, "Obamacare" would provide coverage for that $500billion currently lost treating the working poor and indigent. Remember Mitt's medical advice for those without insurance? "Go to the Emergency Room, they'll take care of you." That advice drives Emergency Room costs of $2 700 - $10 000/hour plus doctor's fees, labs and x-rays.
Mitt and Paul won't admit it, but GW's prescription plan also disappears.
The Medicare voucher system proposed is nothing more than means to defund Medicare. If in 5-10years, the majority of payroll tax supporters have optioned-out, where will Medicare funds come from? As medicare becomes an unfunded entitlement, won't it become not only unfunded but unpaid?
And finally, I want to know the money that Obama has cost you. In Medicare, only if your INRURABCE company has jacked rates, pending review. In Social Security? Not one change has been made during the Obama administration. In taxes, like Social Security, no changes have been made, save for a few bi-partisan changes to agricultural deductions which gave unfair deductions to corporate farms operated by ADM, Pfizer and the like. In the economy? May I remind you that our economy was already in the toilet and pulling the flush valve before the 2008 election. By April 2009, I had already seen 50% of my retirement savings gone, long before any Obama initiative could possibly have an effect.
Other world economies (Europe, China, Asia, and even Africa are seeing hits as well. Economic problems nearly cost Hugo Chafez his control of Venezuela, despite its rigged nature). Do we blame Barack Obama as well for these failures, many like Greece are 30years in the making?
Or are you just complaining that no one will pay you interest? Money is only valuable when it moves. Money does not move at the bottom of a recession or depression, and no one will pay for its use. This is the pay-back for the 1980's 12-15% CD pay-offs where money was constricted and the young and poor suffered under 14-20% loans. Everyone needed money because Ron's advisor's were spending hand over fist for weapons, with no actual on-going war, but increasing middle-class taxes and the deficit to pay for it. As a result, business ran out of money, then consumres ran out of money, and just like Ron's advisor's told him, so did employment, construction, and new business. So Ron's economy hummed along at the rate of 10-20years earlier, and he served just long enough to post positive numbers as my parents' generation died off.
Who is your dollar customer today? The potential business person or homeowner who is now considered too risky, since the "big" bank that owns them is still trying to figure out who owns what of the goulash created in the 2000's mortgage market. Larger customers, like the Big corporations are sitting piles of cash that even embarrass them; Buffett is saying that he is trying to find a $20billion acquisition, as much as anything to lower Berkshire's huge cash balance. Estimated large and medium cash balances are $2-4trillion. This campaign is likely to spend nearly $2biilion dollars, with $1billion already being spent on tv ads. There is NO shortage of cash in America, It's just held tightly by the 1% and corporations.
If you were hurt in the stock crash, and took your money into savings, that's on you. If you were hurt by rising state taxes and cuts in state benefits that's on the state. If you were hurt by Obama's race, creed or stated ethos, well that's also on you.
Forget about Left or Right (politically). Ask as an American, where is the accountability? Why the delay? Why the changing story? Explore for yourself. Demand the truth. From Fast and Furious to Libya we have dead bodies in this administration's wake. Arms for rebels? CIA deal gone bad? Nothing adds up?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/president-obama-begs-off-answering-whether-americans-in-benghazi-were-denied-requests-for-help/
No one cares. They will do anything for their lawn jockey.
InnerCityDude,
Last I checked the combined Iraq-Afghanistan toll was 7 000, and you dare to compare with 2 or 4or6? I want you to visit all the 7 000 wives, girl-friends or bethrowed, and parents to explain how much less worthy of grief they are.
We could wait for three damned years, and an election, to discover that Ronald Regan was running a drug smuggling operation into the United States by sanctioning dope shipments to Nicaragua from Iran in exchange to the US giving weapons like Stinger missiles (anti-aircraft and tank) to Nicaragua to send to Iran.
And today, the chief stooge earns better than a 7figure income on talk-radio spewing nonsense, while the chief architect sit back enjoying his government provided heart transplant.
When GW Bush took two days to even realize that Katrina had hit New Orleans, you're criticizing Obama over uneven intelligence and clear lack of facts about an event twelve hours earlier, half-way around the world?
Bill Marvell - I'm not minimizing , nor forgetting the tragedy of those lost lives. Any sane person in this world does NOT want war.
My point is that ALL administrations must be held accountable. We put far too much into dialogue that gets spun as liberal or conservative. How about perspective as American's?
If we strip away the left/right diatribes, as a nation, we might be able to get back to talking about specific and policies. we end up yelling at each other to hear
_paladin -- Which KKK group do you belong to, your lawn jockey comment proves you are one.
Obama?Biden 2012
As far as the economy, this administration has it backwards. Continuing stimulus only adds short term funds and inflation potential down the road. It will hurt even more to remove it. You must grow GDP and as Romney says, "President has no plan."
Attacking Romney is not a plan. Hope is not a strategy
BTW - Former 08 Obama supporter. I can admit I was wrong. Can you?
I'm sorry to hear that you ever voted for Obama .
I think you can be forgiven .
I'm not sure though .
@Ontor. Yeah, like a dope I fell for his pitch. Shame on me. I'm doing everything I can to have people research the facts and move beyond the hype and campaign rhetoric. America deserves better. You may not agree with everything Romney has to say - who does? He is far better than what we have right now. Vote Romney/Ryan
Innercity.....don't feel bad. Obama was saying the right things. We all wanted someone who was a leader and would work with the other side. We were tired of gridlock. Unfortunately, we didn't look at the details of his plans. If we did, we would have seen that he had no solutions for our future....just like now.
innercity, post 12, take your story to the Ohio and Michigan auto workers, and see what they say about stimulus funds. I sorry you have to be last in line!!
InnerCityDude,
First, you weren't wrong in voting for Obama. Frankly I appreciate Senator McCain as a victim torture in Noth Viet Nam prisons and his insistence on being last out. And I appreciate his military service. But frankly, he gained fame as being an admiral's son who was shot down and captured. He married money. Well educated, who couldn't have success in politics. But keep in mind, even as the GW Bush White House was scrambling up TARP (the original, nontraceable bailout of $800billion, but no one really knows), John McCain was assuring us that all was well. And what would Sarah Palin do? Organize a combination brownie-moose hunt? And no, I am not trying to be sexist, I just think those may be the limits of her thought.
We have been deeply wounded by a combinations of failure and betrayal. The SEC failed to perceive the danger of CDO's, investment funds created by blending a mix of mortgages and then marketing that blend as AAA or better mortgages, not shares of a blend of loans - many with lower ratings.
This became a form of quasi-legalized fraud in that the creators knew that they were seelinng a sup-par product but advertised and sold it as AAA. And these creators, corporate managers of large banks and finance houses, must have had oversight and cogent (knowledgeable - they knew what was happening) corporate officers and directors above them. The banks betrayed us by using CDO's as a vehicle to continue lending (thereby earning loan origination fees, without the risk of actually carrying the loan to pay-off).
The GW Bush administration and Dick Cheney lied to America by telling us that we could afford our "normal" budget expenditures, two ground-wars and a $400billion prescription benefit to Medicare with no corresponding payroll tax increase. Infact, they betrayed us by buoying our economy by also giving us as much as $3-4trillion in tax cuts across the board, but primarily benefitting the wealthy. We went from a job-creator to a job loser on basis GW Bush's further loosening of trade rules and treaties, our burgeoning debt, and our loss of manufacturing jobs to now cheaper automation and off-shoring.
Our companies have consistantly lied to us by repackaging the same old crap in new paint and new press spiels. And then betrayed us by refusing to discount management and executive pay in the same terms that they discount production labor by pay cuts, lay-offs, out-sourcing, off-shoring, or even product reduction. In fact, we are being progressively presented by domestic and foreign brands presenting a smaller band of products and product options. With the exception of Apple, we will soon be presented with products of almost identical specs varying in price by $0.05, but apple will still cost $1 more.
The gas industry claims it does no harm in "fracking", but large numbers of anecdotal evidence controverts this. Poisoned wells, conflicts over water rights, and even earth tremors in western Ohio says that this issue is not that simple. Nor is off-shore drilliing safe, internationally (remember only international firms can afford deep-sea wells), as virtually every continent save for Antartica can clain a Moganda-class failure, the North Sea, Nigeria, Mexico eastern Yucatan coast, Indonesia, and Australia (break-up of supertanker on a reef) All within the past six years. These are both lies as to the nature of their business and betrayals of employees, customers, and the public by minimizing their risk, and then by transferring their risk to the public in their costs.
And please don't not ask me about the lies told about "clean" coal.
Paladin--He got Bin Laden, good enuff for me.. Hell, if Bush would have gotten him, the Repukes would be chipping away at Mt Rushmore as we speak..
I would hope any President would take out Bin Laden. What about saving our Ambassador and 3 other American's? Why don't we have the facts?
Thomas - by all means, give credit to Obama for killing this bad guy.
But if you do, you also have to give credit to Bush for toppling the entire fundamentalist theocracy of the Taliban in Afghanistan. Their iron grip on the country was brutal, especially against women. Bush changed that.
Changing the entire government of a country is, by any measure, a far more significant accomplishment than killing one aging straggler from the organization that President Bush defeated. Then Obama crowed that it was the "high point in my presidency!"
In fairness, I agree with him – it was the high point in his otherwise-failed presidency.
And now Obama is undoing Bush's accomplishment by allowing the Taliban to, once again, drag Afghanistan back into the dark ages.
Thomas.....We didn't like Bush that much either. It wasn't Bin Laden being free that bothered us. It was his spending and lack of fiscal constraint that bothered us. The tax cuts would have given us a balanced budget had the republicans not spent all of the gains....plus a little extra.
Thomas how f-ing stupid are you. Obama was only the sitting prez that gave the order, Hell a blind man would have given the order and BTW Hillary had to beg Obama to take out Bin Laden. He was waiting for the polls to see what he should to do.
Too bad Hillary didn't beg Obama to go in and help our men in Benghazi. They would be alive today if she had done that.
CONFUSED, and indeed you are my friend. Too bad that Bush and Cheney lies sent 4500 Americans to their deaths in Iraq. Many died because they lacked proper flak jackets and up-armoured Humvees. Spare me your phoney outrage pal. If you managed to make excuses for our disasterous foray into Iraq then surely you can manage to look past this unfortunate episode. What possible gain would Obama have to make from this affair. No president bothers with the details of our embassies and consulates. To think otherwise is to be embarrassing naive.
Intrepid - What does Obama have to gain? Re-election, that's what he has to gain. Anyone can see that the details are being hushed up until after the election. I know all about Iraq - Benghazi is different. These men begged, three times, for the POTUS to send help - three times they were told to stand down. I am not naive. Everyone can see right through the current administration. If the true story comes out, they all will go down. The way I see it, they are all responsible for the murders of these great men. As for your comment that no president bothers with the details of our embassies and consulates - that is really scary and it is totally the biggest bunch of crap that I have ever heard. Now, go to bed - you disgust me. Tyrone Woods was a great hero. To his father I say, Mr. Woods you should be proud of your son. He went into help these people when he was told to stand down. He was and always be an American Hero - not a chicken like the administration in DC.
Confused -
Amen to that! It is very sad that not one person in the Obama administration, including Obama, is not even half the man that Stevens or the three men who died with him were.
Palladin,
Again, I ask this question: What special, "secret" knowledge have you benn given? Or are you just blowing this out of your butt or finding it in your pipe.
Hillary begging him??? Any Republican would have??? We found out the Bin Laden had apperently been living there for four years, more than eough time for GW.
By the by, calling other posters stupid is bad enough. Clling them F***ng stupid is worse. and to the answer with the weak c**p that you did is positively embarrassing. I can only hope you have the faculties to recognize this.
Confused.
Perhaps you ought to reread alot of information. The Ambassador went to Benghazi against embassy security advice, and against State Department adviice. He could have rescheduled the Turkish minister or asked him to reroute. The Ambassador was alao told by local militias and politicians to NOT stay in Benghazi overnight.
WHY DON'T YOU MENTION THAT?
He put himself in danger. And you, in some mythic nightmare, see 6-42 dropped in special troops fighting of 100;, if not 1000' of opponents. Visions that those deniers that you condemn may have had.
OK, now explain Iraq. Just where are those pesky WMD's?
Iraq and Afghanistan - c'mon, 10 years to subdue two countries smaller than some US states? WWI lasted 4 years and WWII lasted 6 years. These were wars fought on a global scale.
The idiots in charge then, good Republican businessmen, lost sight of the goal. More worried about Halliburton's profits than US security, they dithered until the clock ran out and then retired to live in luxury with "thank you's" from Halliburton.
Al Quaeda was the enemy - not Afghanistan or Iraq. Al Quaeda doesn't have a country. Al Quaeda is spread among many countries with a distributed network of operatives. How do you fight a ground war against this? You can't!
What you can do is make it very, very dangerous to be an Al Quaeda leader. Obama has done that.
June 2012 - Yahya al Libi killed (senior al Qaeda leader in Pakistan)
September 2011 – Younis al Mauritani captured (senior al Qaeda leader in Pakistan)
September 2011 – Abu Hafs al-Shahri killed (al Qaeda's chief of Pakistan operations)
August 2011 – Atiyah Abd al-Rahman killed (Al Qaeda No. 2 in Pakistan)
May 2011 – Osama bin Laden killed (Number 1 Al Qaeda, and worlds most wanted)
June 2011 – Fazul Abdullah Mohammed killed (top al-Qaeda operative in Somalia)
June 2011 – Ilyas Kashmiri killed (top al- Qaeda commander in Pakistan)
June 2010 – Hawza al Jawfi killed along with 6 other terrorist (leader in Pakistan)
May 2010 – Mustafa Ahmed Muhammad Uthman Abu al-Yazid killed [aliases Shaikh Sa'id al-Masri and Mustafa Abu al-Yazid] (al Qaeda's No. 3)
April 2010 – Abu Ayyub al-Masri and Abu Umar al-Baghdadi (Top two Al Qaeda operatives in Iraq)
March 2010 – Qari Mohammad Zafar killed (terrorist leader in Pakistan)
February 2010 – Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar captured (The Taliban's top military commander)
February 2010 – Sirajuddin Haqqani killed (militant commander in Pakistan)
January 2010 – Qassem al-Rimi, Ayed al-Shabwani, Ammar al-Waili, Saleh al-Tais, Ibrahim and Mohammed Saleh al-Banna killed (Al-Qaeda military boss and senior Al-Qaeda figures in the Arabian Peninsula)
December 2009 – Saleh Al-Somali killed (senior al Qaeda operative in Pakistan)
September 2009 – Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan killed (ringleader of an al Qaeda cell in Kenya)
As you can see from the descriptions, it is one helluva lot more than "just one straggler". I submit to you that Obama has done more damage to Al Quaeda in 4 years than George W. Bush did in 7!!
Bill Marvel .... EXCELLENT POSTS !!!! ... you know how to shut up a republican? ... with the truth and facts ! They can't even attempt a response .....
OBAMA 2012
Normal Americans save the lives of ignorant people everyday. Hikers that hike on trails that are clearly marked to NOT be used, REAL Americans go in and save those people with extraordinary means. Some have even lost their own lives in the rescue attempts of those people that didn't follow the signs.
I don't understand how pleas for help can ignored. I would hate to be the person in a burning house, fallen and lost in a crevasse of ice, drowning in a lake, BEGGING FOR HELP only to see those that can help just ignore the pleas for help. THAT is less than human.
I was looking at the RCP numbers for the battleground states, and the election can definitely go either way. Remember just four weeks ago, the left was saying game over. Now they are not so sure. If you assume the states which have Obama with 47% or less can go to Romney, he will have 247 electoral votes. That includes all the McCain states plus VA, FL, NC and IN. All he needs is another 23 to win. Go one step further and assume Romney gets the states where Obama has 48% or less, and he will have a total of 278. And if he takes the states which have Obama with 49% or less, Romney’s total goes to 330. That is not beyond the realm of impossibility.
Roadie,
RCP has Romney's leads in toss-up states evaporating daily. Virginia is now a dead heat, along with Colorado, and North Carolina went from "leans Romney" to toss-up. All of this in the last three days.
MSN,
You just confirmed my post, that the race can go either way. That's what "dead heat" and "toss up" mean. Any states where Obama does not have 50% is up for grabs.
Roadie,
If the present numbers remained static, you would be right. However, my post references the indisputable fact that Romney's numbers are trending in the wrong direction across the board.
MSN,
Obama has dug himself a hole with the first debate and is running out of time. You conveniently ignored the states which once were solidly Obama and now in a statistical tie such as OH, WI, IA, NV and NH.
Trends are trends, Roadie. Post #1.24 shows that I haven't "conveniently ignored" anything at all.
Romney's bounce after the first debate peaked ten days ago, and since that time, Romney has begun a slide which is not only unfortunate for his supporters, it is entirely measurable.
Romney, Ryan will be worse than even Bush, and he was the second worse president of all time next to Johnson, almost even with Johnson. (Bad state for presidents is Texas.)
Romney/Ryan will greatly increase the federal deficit with their promised $2 trillion increases in military spending and their absolute refusal to tax those who can afford it the most. The millions of jobs sent to third-world and communist countries to capitalize on extremely low wages that could be paid there are not coming back any time soon because inflation will continue to increase immensely in the USA after the ACA is repealed and millions are left uninsured with their billions and billions in unpaid bills added to healthcare inflation, and inflation of everything else in this country will continue. Then there is the fiscal cliff that the repubs are mostly responsible for with their total lack of bipartisanship. It will be pathetically amusing to watch the repubs SICK excuses after 4 years in office. Obama will look great!
Road Warrior,
As an Old(er) Man, I can tell you the worst thing that you can do is spend you time and money flying all over the country opening your mouth. Your opponent may then decide to either follow you, exposing you lies or vapor trail promises, or sit at home saying little to attack. Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are desperate to attract voters and votes, which means vapor trail (unbelievable promises with no supporting ploicy or plan (like Romney promising 4, 6, or 8 million jobs - depending on where the campaign was). In fact, NO President can create jobs. But that President can destroy them by changing monetary policy, forcinf tax policy changes, subsidising (or not) a new industry, realigning labor-management relations by reminding both parties that their issues were subservient to those of the nation (Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy), and reckless spending to the benefit of off-shore interests and Military-Industrials to the bereft of others (whose interests did GW's subsidized sale of fighter jets to Saudi Arabia or non-reviewed contracts ;ike those issued to Halliburton (on a broad and unsustainable basis, as Halliburton would have been all things to all people, i the middle of a war-zone).
You want to cite a poll, why not wait until November 7 or 8?
Bill ... again kudos ... Mitt and Ryan so desperate to attract voters .. they photo shopped a larger crowd at a few rallies and were caught red handed .... EPIC FAILURE
OBAMA 2012
Obama's new green economic initiative :
Walk to the welfare office .
Works for me. Good exercise and even better for the environment.
Now if we could just get the 'defense industry welfare state' to walk to work, THAT would be saying something.
At least there will still be one for those who need it. With Romney Ryan the right to life ends at birth, then starve the poor babies and kill the old ladies.
How is your home state faring under your liberal pals, Obama?
The Democrat crooked liberal machine has ruined the state.
Illinois is a train wreck, a fiscal disaster. Chicago is the murder capital of the US.
This is what Obama wants for the United States....
Uh oh, Bob, Real Clear Politics late this afternoon moved Virginia to "dead heat".
Where'd that Romney lead disappear to???
Bob.
The Des Moines Register just endorsed Romney, When questioned by CNN as to why ther response was basically 'We thought Romny was winning'.
So after a nearly 150years, this paper has sold-out. As a former Iowan, I could forgive them on the basis of Obama asking for a by-pass of the ethanol in gas requirement (crippling the dairy, beef and pork industry due to the drought - pay more next year for any meatregardless of who you vote for), I could forgive them on the basis of the non-partisan bill to eliminate certain farm deductions and exemptions (which disproportinately advantaged large corporate firms (like ADM, Pfizer, any of the meat, chickem or turkey contractors, or large export contractors) who have controlled our markets (and in the case of meat/flesh pacjers have actively imported and employed foreign (Mexican and Central American workers)).
And after real issues of water rights vs. gas rights, crops for energy vs. crops for fuel, and even basic immigration issues, how can a state with 4.8% unemployment rate can have its premier newspaper cast its vote for the candidate they think might win? Has the Register succumbed to TeaParty pressure and gone not only pro-life, but anti-abortion even in cases of incest, rape or the life of the woman.
If this is truly the worst of your trials Iowa, I pity you. Your future is full of good enough, my reading of God says so, and did you see what Billy Jo down the road just did? Maybe we can get him to do it again for TrueTV. You can watch you universities empty as fast as your soil has. Admit THIS, most "topsoil in Iowa is now a clay-based yellow, not the 10-24" loam, blacker than any midnight of the pre-1990's. When your soil is finally too poor and your workers too over-valued. to whom will the Register turn? Oh that's right, in less than ten years, it will probably no longer exist.
lol Bill .... you stumping them ! ....
GOP strategy, adopted from Tea Party inbread fox born racists and low information fascists:
Lie and repeat the BS over and over. Bush and Iraq War strategy is writ large in Republican election approach and trolls on this thread.
In Greed and Avarice We Trust on our money if Robme wins.
How can we have a decent debate over the direction of the country when you have such ignorant and oblivious people like NMcasey here who promotes hate and lies instead of ideas. I know that republicans have their own crazies as well, but it sure seems that hateful democrats outnumber hateful republicans 8 to 1.
Putty,
Crazies on this forum are 1:1. To suggest otherwise is.....well, crazy.
Debate about the Eisenhower 90% tax over 1 million to build public schools, highways, infrastructure, healthcare and universities is impossible with the premise that conspicuous wealth is somehow deserved and poverty is also deserved, when materialism is valued over humanism.
The GOP and followers are exceptions to the world community: Rich and Powerful in the U.S. should rule the world or are a Super Power. I have never understood how "all men are created equal" works in a world community with some thinking they are better or should tell everyone else the way it will be.
There is no difference between those who will not see themselves as equals to others and the feudalism of kings and fuhrers or other despots. We are all in this together and raising all boats is the least we can do with the progress we produce, instead of just making the 2% so rich they forget they are their brother's keeper.
Life is too short is what history teaches, so who among us thinks not forming a systematic way to maximize what we can do with our lives is better than just being rich. Scrooge isn't happy till he becomes part of his community and the essence of American idealism is to enrich our world community with the freedom to become all we can be. Classism and materialism is the opposite of this humanistic value and all men are NOT equal to the GOP, so the rich don't have to pay taxes. Schools decay, people's health is neglected, children fall through the social cracks and life is thought of as the result of a Las Vegas casino event. Materialism is a mental disease that has destroyed the humanism that made the U.S. great.
The GOP wants to make the world over into Batista's Cuba or the Chinese sweat shops. The race to the bottom...
NMCasey,
I agree with your sentiments, but I have a nuch more cynical view of the Tea Party.
I recommend that all view the movie "Meet John Doe". Just as a lot of early Tea Party members became disillusioned by "national party requirements on a grass-roots party" (who to support, policy position - even if not yours or your local party's, newly required donations to candidates you didn't know in different districts or different states).
Am I alone in only hearing of the TeaParty as in local lynching posters and signs or other racist concepts, or in the voter suppression billboards laced in minority neighborhoods, or rallies in support of candidates who either don't show up, won't speak or answer questions, or in just minless support of Grover Norquist tax policy and Karl Rove spending?
Well what is most important here is the President's record over the past 4 years and what he says thea he is going to do over the next 4 years. The President offered the stimulus as a solution to our unemployment problem. According to an Obama administration document unemployment has been a little worse than if the stimulus were never passed. The President promised that the 2012 federal deficit would not exceed 229.27 billion dollars yet the actual deficit was greater than 1.1 trillion dollars. The President's plan for the next 4 years is mathematically impossible.
... bd .... another post with truth and facts/no response from republicans ... they can't stand truth and facts !!!
OBAMA 2012
Obama should have said this months ago. Why 'd he wait so long?
He had to wait for the poll he wanted.
“The mere fact that you have a legal power to keep something secret does not mean you should always use it..."
“For a long time now, there's been too much secrecy in this city. The old rules said that if there was a defensible argument for not disclosing something to the American people, then it should not be disclosed. That era is now over. Starting today, every agency and department should know that this administration stands on the side not of those who seek to withhold information but those who seek to make it known.”
“I will also hold myself as president to a new standard of openness.... Information will not be withheld just because I say so."
These quotes are from Barack Obama during his last campaign... too bad his supporters never remember what he's said.....
Steve,
I wish you had a better understanding of "the meaning of transparency". Sadly you are accusing the President of doing something which happened among many other incidents. Let me remind you of the fact that the President asked for additional money for security in Embassies and Consulates across the world. The GOP refused to vote for it. Look it up. This Administration has been quite transparent about things done in his administration, unless you only read conservative print pieces and get your news from Fox only. It has been proven that those who get their news only from partisan media, have very little knowledge of what really goes on in this country.
I hope you were equally upset when the Bush administration gave false information about WMd's in Iraq only to find out that they destroyed a country for no reason and had to stay in Iraq, and spend billions on nation building. Let me hear the outrage about that. Everyone seems to be quite mute on this issue.
Romney can't even run on his record as Governor of Massachussetts. Would that be because he was such a terrible Governor. The fact that he was rarely in the state speaks volumes and this is the person you support.
Try reading real news which gives information about both sides. I know! They probably use too many big words.
Will,
"According to an Obama administration document..." is unacceptable as a citation.
Either provide the link or see your argument dismissed as FOX noise.
Why just New Hampshire? Wouldn't it be really effective if President Obama discussed Romney's Massachusetts record everywhere? When last I heard Obama polled something like 30 points ahead of Romney in Romney's own state! If Romney can't manage his own state, why on earth would we want him in charge of all 50?
Wow another idiot lib, no republican will win MA, even scott brown is going to lose to a lying scumbag, MA is a bunch of idiot libs like yourself, there is no chance for anyone that is not indoctrinated to win there.
Common sense will never compete with party line voters.
trudat, but Romney won here. As did Scott Brown. And William Weld.
We're always willing to give republicans a shot. But generally once they win, we find them quite incompetent in most cases. None more so than Romney and Scott Brown though.
Marybeth,
I apologize on behalf of trudat for his response.
He is, in general, disappointed in his candidate, so.....
How many republicans are in MA legislature? What are they doing now to the woman who wanted to fix EBT and eliminate the stealing? How many republican presidents has MA voted for in recent history? How many times did the idiots in MA put kennedy and frank back into office?
There is only one thing we can say about partisan hack liberals in states like MA, they surely have no scruples and could care less about integrity.
BTW idiot pat, give one good reason why scott brown isnt being re-elected and why you prefer a liar and essentially criminal as liz warren.
Marybeth,
There is this little physical limitation that you can only be in one place at one timw, speaking directly only to those who were there. The media characterized this as speaking to NH people only. Despite the bitter comments of 'truedat' (which don't neccesarlly make dat so), Gov. Romney;s assertions of his record in Massachussettes is not favorable, nor is his popular sentiment. That ought to be a message.
Hahahahahahaha! You are funny!
You are ignoring the facts. Romney won there. He was the last of four, count 'em, four Republican governors!
Perhaps if the liberals and unions hadnt already raped MA so badly, romney would not have had to pick up the pieces. I guess it is irrelevant that super deval patrick had to raise taxes on commuters who take a car to support the pensions of the MBTA. Yep thats right, those who come in from other states and those who dont use the roads are being subsidized by car owners. Just like a liberal. Not that its the MBTA travelers fault, its the unions fault...AGAIN.
I'm not a union member, never have been........BUT!!!!!!!
If it wasn't for unions buddy your A$$ would still be working dirt cheap for Robber Barons.
Oh! forgive me for shooting off my mouth uh! (keyboard). Maybe you own a business and wouldn't have to work for anyone but yourself, or...... maybe you are a Robber Baron.
If you vote Obama into office again you deserve what you get... Obama is running scared.. He has ordered the United Nations police force to over see the elections and adjust any non favorable votes to swing his way. This is another despicable act by this so called President..
Why else would he invite a foreign military presence here to over see an American election? Never in the history of the United States has this happened. This so called leader of a free nation has opened the doors to insurgency he is scared. Vote Romny any other vote is a vote for Obama..
(Called Observers there UN soldiers in guise)
Also Why has the main stream media closed it's eye's to this?
Uh, Wars...
Obama can't order the U.N. to do anything.
The reason that the MSM has closed their eyes to this is because there is nothing to see, unless you watch FOX or listen to Limbaugh, Levin, or Erickson. Do you?
BD, did the tinfoil save the 4 americans that obamas people watched die? I know, it wasnt obama himself, he couldnt be bothered since he was busy campaigning.
trudat -
Obama had to get to bed early so he could get his beauty sleep. Too bad it doesn't help the ugliness that exists in his heart.
I can't wait for Obama to win this thing so we can round up all the conservatives and take thier guns away from them and lock them up in the FEMA death camps. After that forcing our socialist tyranny on the rest of the world will be easy.
Because its a hoax. I suppose you think they need more coverage of Bigfoot as well?
trudat,
Who dishonors a dead Ambassador more: a Muslim extremist who kills him, a President who regrets his loss (something I have never heard you write), or someone like you who continues to beat his corpse like a drum?
Whether Barack Obama had anything to do with his death or not, you continue to degrade and disgrace his memory. And jeopadize the work he was trying to achieve,
dgeding
I can't wait for Obama to win this thing so we can round up all the conservatives and take thier guns away from them and lock them up in the FEMA death camps. After that forcing our socialist tyranny on the rest of the world will be easy.
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I'm going to be too busy quitting my job and waiting by my mailbox for my welfare check to arrive to force socialist tyranny on anyone. Also, I want to bake some goodies to hand out to the UN troops when they occupy my town....any suggestions?
Source, please?
I for one, living in Ohio, would welcome some oversight!
From Wikipedia:
For example, most Ohio voters used punch-card ballots, and more than 90,000 ballots cast in Ohio were treated as not including a vote for President; this "undervote" could arise because the voter chose not to cast a vote or because of a malfunction of the punch-card system.
Some officials rejected voter registration forms on grounds that were contested, such as a failure to use paper of a particular weight (Ohio)
Representative Dennis Kucinich commented on allegations of voter suppression in Ohio during the 2004 election:
... the only persons mockingand disrespecting the unfortunate loss are the republicans ... throw it out there without getting the facts ...
Bill ... again kudos ....
OBAMA 2012
UN troops love free drugs: marajuana, cocaine, and heroine. All of which will be legal and free in our new Socialist dystopia. Also plenty of condoms for the rampant gay sex orgies, which will also be passed out free under Obamacare.
Where did you get this bity of manure ? I guess you do not understand that the only person that can order UN Forces anywhere is the Secratary General only after there is a security council vote. By the way do you know that there isonly Military Force that the President can deploy without Congressional Approval, and he would not do that.
Tammy-311614
Who are you to say what is in a person person's heart ? Do you live in a glass house ? What is in you heart from you comment ugliness
Obama is finished in 10 days. The American people will vote to fix this broken nation. Americas business is business!
The only way one can fix the economy is to pay the working class more so they have money to spend on things other than the bare essential to get by. Talk to any Economist that is worth his salt and they will tell you one of the main reason we are where we are at is that wages have gone down over the last 12 to 14 years.
Romney has a history of cutting wages to increase profits.
Ed, you cant increase wages for employees by taking profits away from EMPLOYERS, ask any economist, idiot.
23 million under and unemployed due to Obama's war on business could also be a contributing factor.
wars 39
They are coming to get you, that is the little men in white coats.
Please provide any documentation to this BS.