To the GOP congressional obstructionists, spinners, and naysayers: Economists predict a robust economic comeback for America.

The International Monetary Fund finds that over the next four years, the United States will be STRONGER THAN ALL of the other major world economies. And stronger than Canada, Germany and France.

1. U.S. growth is projected at around 3%. Meanwhile China and Europe are expected to shrink.

2. Due to new rules and Wall Street reform, U.S. banks are healthier than European banks.

3. Housing is back, with optimistic data on new housing starts.

4. Corporate profits are at an all-time high. (I think we knew that.)

5. Manufacturing is back in part due to clean & renewable energy. More than 500,000 jobs created - and the President's goal is to create twice as many by the end of 2016.

6. U.S consumer confidence is back to September 2007 levels.

7. President Obama set a goal of doubling exports by 2014. U.S. exports are at an all-time high - up by 45% over the last 4 years.

Although Mitt Romney likes to variously blame and threaten Ben Bernanke, the European Central Bank averted a near-collapse by switching to Bernanke's policies - proving Romney wrong on fiscal matters. Again.

We have a great President in Barack Obama. He hasn't talked enough about his accomplishments, but the record will show President Obama is on the right side of history, while GOP has careened way off the charts.

Tearing America's Fabric:

A few weeks ago the jobs report was released by the Bureau of Labor stating that the unemployment rate had fallen to 7.8 percent. Conservatives did not like the numbers and were furious as they began discrediting the Bureau saying they provided false information.

The Congressional Budget Office frequently evaluates budget proposals and when Romney's numbers don't add-up, the budget office says so. It is their job to provide unbiased analysis in financial matters. When the arithmetic does not add up, Romney and Ryan attempts "smoke and mirrors" and claim the CBO is wrong.

We have Republicans working to suppress voting from various segments of the population. It mattered not that soldiers fought and died for this freedom. The right to vote is as sacred as freedom of speech. Republican governors from Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida, and Ohio, (just to name a few) believe it is more important to keep their party in power than have fair and just elections. Ohio Secretary of State Husted is continuing to limit voting by shortening the hours the polls can remain open.

The President of the United States has been the target of disrespect. Birthers like Donald Trump and Tommy Thompson's son promote conspiracy theories that President Obama was born in Kenya and is not an American citizen. They lie about his religious beliefs by calling him a Muslim. Hateful anti-Obama billboards are popping up in Florida and other swing states. John Sununu said Obama needed to learn "how to be an American". Ann Coulter called our President a "retard", and Sarah Palin talked about Obama in racist terms of "shuck and jive shtick with these lies about Benghazi must end". All of these actions weaken who we are and attempt to sway the undecided voter. Don't conservatives realize that the undecided voter is a thoughtful, rational voter?

Paul Ryan, Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock and Mitt Romney are the faces that threaten a woman's right to control her own body. Attempting to disallow economic equality for women, denying healthcare for all Americans, suppressing American's right to vote, and cutting funding for education are right-wing conservative positions.

One has to wonder if the conservatives realize how damaging their efforts are as they rip and tear at the fabric of who we are. It is apparent that America is more vulnerable from those living within our borders than from foreign influences. The hate-filled conservatives have become America's Taliban.

Yesterday, Jody Lots-a-Numbers wrote that President Obama should produce a transcript of his grades because her employers have requested transcripts of her grades. This left everyone scratching their heads. Perhaps she has confused transcripts with a diploma? More likely, she’s a high school student applying for a job at McDonald’s, and there is an agreement between the school and McDonald’s that students must have grades better than a “C” to be eligible for employment. Based on the intellectual acuity she displays her in her posts, I suspect she didn’t get the job.

What did Lindsey Graham say at the Republican Convention—that there aren’t enough “angry, white guys” to sustain the GOP? http://gawker.com/5939404/sen-lindsey-graham-not-enough-angry-white-guys-to-sustain-gop Angry white male Republicans are foaming at the mouth over this video: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/lena-dunham-talks-first-time-in-obama-ad.html

The only time John Sununu was worth listening to was in the Naked Gun movie. This man is vile and any association picks up his stench.

"Europe continues to weaken. The fiscal cliff looms ominously. But the fact remains, compared with the rest of the industrialized world and the arc of previous post-bubble recoveries, the United States is ready for a robust revival.

This is partly because of the dynamism of the U.S. economy but also because of the timely and intelligent actions of the Fed and the Obama administration." (Fareed Zakaria)

President Obama's support of the Auto Industry, reform and restructuring has been key to American recovery. The President should be acknowledged & appreciated for bringing us to this point, from the depths of a financial meltdown of catastrophic proportions. It is no secret that since January 2009, our President has been obstructed by GOP leaders and associates at every turn.

Republican congressionals turned away, just when we needed them the most. America needed their help. Instead GOP focused vehemently for four years on the 2012 election. In a more perfect world, Romney and GOP leaders would apologize to our extraordinary President, for his courageous and dedicated work - in the face of their relentless lockstep obstruction.

At the Convention, President Clinton explained that our President has laid a strong foundation. He said we'd actually begin to feel the recovery soon enough. President Obama has earned the right to continue with this recovery process, and reap the rewards of his relentless work on our behalf.

I thought you all would like to see this, from The Obama Diary:

French Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault has broken with diplomatic protocol by openly expressing his hope that Barack Obama wins the upcoming US presidential election.

“If I was an American citizen I wouldn’t hesitate to vote for Obama,” he told a radio interviewer on Wednesday.

While it is hardly surprising that Ayrault, a Socialist, would support the Democrat candidate in a US election, prudence normally restricts politicians from making such remarks given the possibility they will
end up having to deal with their Republican rivals.

Ayrault is not however the first French minister to offer public support for Obama in his neck-and-neck battle with Republican Mitt Romney.

On Tuesday, Bernard Cazeneuve, the European affairs minister, said: “As far as I’m concerned, I totally support it (Obama’s re-election) and I would be astonished if the government had any other wish.”

Trust does matter Bill in Fairfax. I don't trust Romney. Read this:

Romney told Ohioans that a major factory is on the verge of moving to China — but it isn’t true. Chrysler is looking to build Jeeps in China for the Chinese market, not to move American jobs there. In fairness to Romney, the news story that gave rise to this tale seems to have been sloppily written. But according to the Detroit News, all the relevant facts were in the original article. And in any case, there are no indications the Romney campaign bothered to check out its preferred story before working it into his stump speech.

In political terms, this goes directly to the heart of the argument Obama has been making about Romney to Ohioans about trust: That Romney can’t be trusted in a very fundamental way to level with them or genuinely look out for their interests, that he’ll tell them anything to win the election. The auto bailout has been central to that case. Obama has argued that not only did Romney fail to support the auto rescue at a time when Ohioans needed it; he doesn’t even have the integrity to admit it. He’ll claim he favored rescuing the auto industry in the manner Obama ultimately did in order to get elected, even though it’s false. This is more of the same.

Beyond the politics, this story should be a big deal. Romney may very well be the next president. That’s a position of some responsibility. Yet he and his campaign rushed to tell voters a story designed to stoke their fears for their livelihoods without bothering to vet it for basic accuracy. This is not a small thing. It reveals the depth of Romney’s blithe lack of concern for the truth — and the subservience of it to his own political ambitions.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/the-morning-plum-romneys-false-scare-story-in-ohio/2012/10/26/5f8edbbc-1f58-11e2-ba31-3083ca97c314_blog.html?hpid=z2

“We’ve got to make sure we win here in Ohio, and when we do, we’re going to take back the White House.”

Is that why Willard & his son Tagg bought up the voting machines which will be used in OH?

Here it is, in all its horrifying simplicity - "I am astounded, far more than I should be, at the inability of some people to consider circumstances beyond their own experience." These are the words of a victim of her father's "attention". Here is this young woman's full story: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/287973_At_14_It_Was_No_Gift_From_God_

Each and every day, it's the same thing here. Romney good, Obama bad. Obama good, Romney bad. We argue about meaningless statistics, imagined slights, and we harp on issues as though they occur in a black and white world, as though they are events that occur in a vacuum.

This young woman has brought the real difference between the ideologically-driven left and right and the slavish identity-driven Democrats and Republicans into a blinding light. There is no difference. They march to battle as the cannon fodder they are, and blindly follow leaders whose real agenda turns on gaining power and accumulating wealth.

The real contest is at the center of the political spectrum between REAL conservatives and REAL Democrats and where they meet in moderate solutions. Each forsakes talking points, hollow sloganeering, and meaningless mantras as valueless noise.

The centrists must draw from their experience, and as the young woman so clearly writes, it needn't be their own. These people understand that "there but for fortune", or "there but for the grace of God, go I".

From narrow and harrowing tales of grief like this young woman's come the seeds of insanity that lead to arguments about "legitimate" rape or "forcible" rape. No, a thousand times no....rape is rape.

Justification for extreme positions based on a belief in a god or gods is every bit as evil. No person using their belief in a god can show they have been in contact with this god. They have not heard him/her, they have not seen him/her. Yet, in the absence of any proof, they insist that you must live by the tenets of their god, and books they have most likely never read.

This isn't simply about the horrors of rape. This is about being able to understand YOUR life is only YOUR life. YOUR experience is only YOUR experience. Some times you have to open YOUR mind and understand there is a world of experience which you have never seen or touched.

Life goes far beyond Me, Me, Me. I don't have to see it, to know it's real.

Things are a little strange.

We have a hurricane possibly heading this way. As Kenny Rogers would say, you picked a fine time to greet us Sandy.

Last nite after work, I was so busy reading the news on my phone at the train station, that I got on the wrong train and ended up in Dawchessta, which is miles out of my way.

I put my lovely soothing radio station on this morning at work, plug in the ear phones and the first song I hear is Dean Martin and Rudolph The Red Nose Reindeer. They have gone 24/7 XMAS songs, before Halloween, before Thanksgiving, and before the election.

I have substituted healthy meals for junk. And that means crap food, something I never ever ever eat.

Sleep? What sleep? Who needs sleep?

Meanwhile the President keeps keepin' on. I don't know how he does it. Smiling, relaxed, full of energy, a hoarse voice yet sparkling eyes.

I suspect this campaign would have killed me if I were a part of the president's campaign. A long time ago. haha

Romney sure surrounds himself with a lot of radicals.

Ryan..."forcible rape"
Akins (Ryan's only other forcible rape author)...women's body prevents them from getting pregnant from rape.
(Only Senator Romney runs ads for) Mourdock ... child from rape is God's will
Sununu...race is the only reason General Colin Powell supports Obama.

The list goes on and on.

Romney's friends tell the clear picture of who he is and what he believes in.
Romney himself said he enjoys firing people who don't do what he says. Romney hired and supports them, so clearly they are doing EXACTLY what Romney wants. Otherwise, he would fire them.

Finally!

A Dem grows balls. Big ones! ""bullsh##er""

My new bumpersticker!

Obama 2012

I love it when the bully cries foul when he finally gets his nose punched. "Whaa, He hit me! Whaa!"

Dems could finally pull in more white males if they show more of this!

Are the women in this country going to vote for a liar that will take away their ability to make their own healthcare choices?

The better question is why women would vote for a party that wants to execute them for making a basic "life" choice. Abortion is no easy choice, but it is a fundamentally necessary option for women. Yet the GOPTP want to crucify and execute women for using this option. The GOPTP are so sick, they will mandate a 12 year old child carry to term a pregnancy after dear old dad and brother Billy Bob spend a night tossing back beers and then decide to sow their wild oats. And if she attempts to gain an abortion, it is off with her head. What type of sick society promotes familial gang rape and then forces the daughter to continue the legacy by insisting she birth the product of that disgusting act? I'll tell you who, it is the gang raping GOPTP party.

Ron Indiana

Tearing America's Fabric:

The Congressional Budget Office frequently evaluates budget proposals and when Romney's numbers don't add-up, the budget office says so. It is their job to provide unbiased analysis in financial matters. When the arithmetic does not add up, Romney and Ryan attempts "smoke and mirrors" and claim the CBO is wrong.

We have Republicans working to suppress voting from various segments of the population. It mattered not that soldiers fought and died for this freedom. The right to vote is as sacred as freedom of speech. Republican governors from Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida, and Ohio, (just to name a few) believe it is more important to keep their party in power than have fair and just elections. Ohio Secretary of State Husted is continuing to limit voting by shortening the hours the polls can remain open.

Paul Ryan, Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock and Mitt Romney are the faces that threaten a woman's right to control her own body. Attempting to disallow economic equality for women, denying healthcare for all Americans, suppressing American's right to vote, and cutting funding for education are right-wing conservative positions.

Ron I glad you called them out.

They know what they stand for hatred, bigotry and fear mongering is all they have. They figure since they are 75% of the population they have to do a lot of "Ethnic Cleansing" to get the White House. In Spanish neighbor hoods they are sending out filers with the wrong dates on them.

This breed of the GOP is despicable!!!

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Obama Biden 2012

Well JAS1, that ought to get your "stalkers" a bit riled up this morning.

Nice Job.

Hi Beverly, Thanks for the shout-out. Some truths just have to be said.

Well JAS1, that ought to get your "stalkers" a bit riled up this morning.

Nah. Meaningless drivel with no basis in fact. The product of fantasy.

As Kenny Rogers would say, you picked a fine time to greet us Sandy.

Well, it could always be you picked a fine time to leave me Lucille.

Well JAS1, that ought to get your "stalkers" a bit riled up this morning.

Where did you get the impression anyone reads her crap?

You, Mr. Me First Broccoli Bill, the idiot from Albany & Snookie-Joe are useful idiots, whose sole purpose here is to strengthen our scrolling finger! ;o)

Oh, and, on the rare occassion do provide a chuckle or two!

Other than that, just a waste of space...

Once again we see Mitt Romney or his campaign staffers walking back statements made. Whether after the first presidential debate when the Mitt Team walked back most of Romney's statements or now walking back John Sununu's race-baiting remark. Who in the world would even have Sununu on the campaign staff; the guy was discredited and disgraced while he held office? He's a cranky, nasty old goat. Any candidate worthy of being considered for the presidency wouldn't just be walking back Sununu's comments, said candidate would never have brought the numnut on board in the first place, let alone make him a "top surrogate". Romney's campaign staff is filled with disgraced and discredited republicans. Romney held another fundraiser in Texas with Dick Cheney and Glenn Beck. Glenn Beck, it's a joke right? Dick Cheney, the lying war monger? Dan Senor, the discredited foreign policy expert? John Bolton? 17 of 24 Romney foreign policy "experts" are Bush/Cheney war mongers, they are the disgraced and discredited neocons who long for the next war. Mitt Romney's foreign policies will be a regurgitation of Bush/Cheney. Seriously.

Fairfax Bill, yes, trust matters. How can you trust Mitt Romney who has yet to reveal what he believes, who has flip flopped his stand on every issue multiple times; who threatens war for months, threatens to bomb Iran and whoever else gets in the neocons way, then embraces every single foreign policy position of President Obama; REFUSES to release his tax returns; REFUSES to provide details of his 20% across the board tax cuts; REFUSES to give details of his plan for creating jobs. Sorry but Mitt Romney is a pathological liar, a man with no core principles, a man who tells YOU, BILL, exactly what you want to hear.....and you lap it up like a puppy because you desperately want to believe.

Condoleezza Rice not joining criticism of Barack Obama on Libya

We don’t have all the pieces and I think it’s easy to try and jump to conclusions about what might have happened here,” she told Fox’s Greta Van Susteren in an interview Wednesday. “It’s probably better to let the relevant bodies do their work.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-condoleezza-rice-libya-obama-20121025,0,4555322.story

I bet she'll vote for President Obama too. Not because he's Black like that idiot Sunneu said; but because he's brilliant and knows what he's doing unlike MYTH Romney.

@ Ron I always read your posts I'm such a poor typist by the time I get to comment we're on a different topic; LOL! If you get a chance DVR or watch the Second Coming of President Obama tonight on BET.

I saw it last week and it honestly broke tears to my eyes to see these middle classed people break the lethargy. Now, I know I'm been validate. Sometimes I just cry alone at all the mean, hateful things thes repubs to our Prez and country.

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Why is it always a redneck and billy bob that are committing crimes and incest.

OK Redneck Robbie, let's step up the ante and talk about LuLu.ser and your stand the ground laws that allow you to murder a kid armed with a coke and skittles. Feel better?

Open question to all those posters who like to criticize the size of the national debt.

What would Republican leadership have done to end the Great Recession?

Growth was at -8.5%

We were losing almost 800,000 jobs per month.

The banks had just received a $700 billion bailout.

The stock market was plunging.

The world was in recession.

It is easy to criticize someone else's policy when it doesn't solve 100% of all the problems we have, but what would you have done? How would that have worked out?

I'd like to hear your plan for ending the Great recession. Obama's stimulus stopped the recession in 6 months. How would your plan

Jody -- You wrote:

REFUSES to give details of his plan for creating jobs

It's called a "SNOW JOB". That's all Romney created.

Pat Boston MA.

Things are a little strange.

Pat, Can you believe I missed our President because I thought he'd be votin downtown instead of his precinct? So for my penance I did three hours @OFA. It was beyond strange to talk in a heartfelt manner to right winger. Normally, I would have dropped the phone. This time I went further to ask why; I was curious. The person being was strictly republican said the tax MYTH won't release is ugly. But, he repub. Oh well

have done any better and for what cost?

In Florida, early voting starts tomorrow and continues thru No 3rd. Polls open 7am to 7pm.

Voting is being held in most Public Libraries, some Town Halls and at the county Supervisor of Elections and any branches they may have.

During early voting only, you can vote at any of your county locations no matter where you live in that county. A photo and signature IDs are required, for most people their driver's license will suffice. If you cannot provide either of those IDs you can vote by provisional ballot. Workers are trained to make sure, if you are a registered voter, you can do so, and will make every effort to ensure that right.

Vote for your choices, your voice does count......make it heard.

OK Redneck Robbie, let's step up the ante and talk about LuLu.ser and your stand the ground laws that allow you to murder a kid armed with a coke and skittles

Red,

Please don't feed the re-reg of JollyOld@!$%#!

He will be gone soon enough! ☺

This seems like a good spot to rile up some of the crowd ...

Princeton Meta-Analysis has up-ticked Obama's EC vote count as of 8 a.m.

Obama 299

Romney 239

to be updated in a couple of hours ... hang in there.

Albany Joe:

Nasty DumbFux:

It seems to me that anyone who continually uses an epithet like this is the Nasty one.

I can't imagine what would be better. A landslide for Mr Romney that sends Obama and his family to that nice new MANSION they bought in Hawaii (Thanks to Mr O's mom in law for spilling the beans).

Or for this to be a tie 269-269 Romney is the President and the Grin with the Body behind it (Biden) gets to be VP for Romney. I mean how much fun would it be to watch Clueless Joe's head explode as he is forced to serve an R president?

PS ANYONE who votes SOLELY based on skin color is a BIGOT.

JAS1 -- You wrote:

his line exemplifies the class warfare

No, actually this EXEMPLIFIES class warfare, Romney's WORDS:

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

In Florida, early voting starts tomorrow and continues thru No 3rd. Polls open 7am to 7pm.

@GBM - thank goodness for early voting. Despite every GOPTP attempt to restrict voting rights to all Americans, we will find a way to prevail, and one of those is to vote early.

@Feisty - thanks for the heads up on Looney Tunes.ser. I should have picked that one out early on. It amazes me how some pathetic los.ers are so desperate they will open new email accounts and sign on with new IPS providers just to bypass the rereg limitations.

Hey GBM...

Thanks for the post on early voting tomorrow. No matter who you support get out and vote. So do you do the early voting or wait til election day? I still prefer election day...something about the environment that I like.

Hope you guys are doing ok with Sandy up in the northern part of the county...down here, it really wasn't much...some wind and rain, but nothing like Isaac.

Take care!

And to everyone in the mid-Atlantic / Northeast...be ready for a pretty potent and strange storm, which has already been dubbed the "FrankenStorm".

Oh, so now u clowns believe in polls! Believe this poll: Ohio up by 3+ foxnews! Realclearpolitics, 2.1+ Obama. Intrade 62 Obama and real clear is never wrong. U can believe the bookies at Intrade know the winner so sleep on that pole during the long weekend!
BTW
Mitt is no Reagan! Stop smoking that bullish:**er

TRUST

A simple question for Bill, Joe, NJNB, JAS1, et all:

I challenge any of you to cite a single issue on which Romney has not completely reversed his position.

Should be simple, right? If you trust a man enough to vote for him to lead you and your country, surely he should be a man of conviction, and you can name just ONE issue on which he has stood firm.

Romney campaigned for the Senate in 1994, then for Gov. of MA, then at least two attempts at the presidency. Plenty of things to choose from.

I dont need another list of Presidnet Obama's supposed lies or flip/flops, almost all of which are just unkept campaign promises anyway. In return I wont post the incredibly LONG list of Romney's complete reversals on all major issues.

JUST. NAME. ONE.

Albany Joe:

Nasty DumbFux:

It seems to me that anyone who continually uses an epithet like this is the Nasty one.

__________________________________________

Hey Jack-off: I took the "DumbFux" part from the avatar ole Betty used for at least 5 years. The "Nasty" part is self-explanatory after reading a few of her posts.

BTW, Have a nasty day.

LMFAO@U!!!!!!!!!

Halo- Actually there were a few articles out a week or two ago stating that some big Obama donors were scopeing out the Hawaii home and were going to purchase it for him. Therefore the President may not be "buying" the property at all.

All- Have you heard the interview with one of the fallen Bengazhi Navy Seal's dad? Look it up and spread it around. He (a former attorney) provided an interview about the day the bodies came home, in which he indicated a lot of unsettling moments including the President not really talking with him, Joe Biden being horrifically inappropriate, and Hillary Clinton lying to him.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/joe-biden-to-father-of-former-navy-seal-killed-in-benghazi-did-your-son-always-have-balls-the-size-of-cue-balls/

Fairfax Bill:

You lied when you told your union pals you would join them on the picket line if their unconstrained bargaining power was ever challenged

YOU lie, Bill. Obama did say he'd join union workers on picket lines under certain circumstances, but he never said he would do it if their "unconstrained bargaining power was challenged," or anything remotely similar. Fairfax Bill lies about Obama while he rattles off accusations of lies that Obama never told. And of course, it's OK with Bill that Romney gets away with vicious race-baiting lies like the one he told about Obama removing work requirements for welfare.

I'm still undecided on Romney, though. Is he a pathological liar, or merely a bullsh**er like Obama said? There's a deep philosophical issue underlying that question. During Bush's misrule, a professor of philosophy wrote a treatise called "On Bulls**t", in which he argued that the distinction between a liar and a BS-er is that a liar has enough respect for the truth that he takes care that his lies don't contradict observable facts in any obvious way. But a BS-er just doesn't care whether his BS is easily debunked or not, as long as there are enough gullible people eager to swallow the BS. Romney seems to be in the BS-er category to me.

Bev, we're almost there.

I think tonite a few stiff drinks are in order for most of us.

OFA has been simply incredible. I shall miss all their emails to be honest.

I just love them all. They have given their heart and soul to the election and re-election of Barack Obama. And because of them, our country is without a doubt headed in the right direction.

The entire world is hoping for his re-election. And with OFA at his side, it will happen.

btw, guess who will be here next week in Boston?

Our lovely First Lady Michelle Obama, with our Gov. Deval Patrick.

OHIO, we need you!

The "United" States of America is at risk of falling off the fiscal cliff. The auto bailout will be the least of all of OUR concerns. The ship is taking on water.

Romney/Ryan 2012

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

"Well, I think when you have somebody of your own race that you're proud of being President of the United States, I applaud Colin for standing with him

Basically what Sununu stated with his idiotic comment is that every time a white guy endorses Romney, he is doing so because Romney is white.

Is Sununu this ignorant or is he just another publicity whore?

When we were faced with the World Trade Center attack, Americans rallied around the President to deal with the crisis. Democrats and Republicans together supported the War in Afghanistan. We didn't ask how much it would cost. We just went ahead and did what we needed to do.

Now, after almost 11 years of war there. How much did it cost? How much did it add to our national debt? Was it worth it? Could we have pursued another, cheaper solution?

My point here is you don't read questions like the ones above much. We don't discuss it, because we agree that we needed to get Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. We needed to do it.

Now, think about the Great Recession we faced in Jan 2009. Things were getting worse despite a bank bailout, a stimulus of $120 billion in Spring 2008, and Fed interest rate cuts of over 4% in 2008.

We had to do something to stop this recession from getting worse. Millions more people were on the verge of losing their jobs and their businesses. Sales were plummeting. Banks were not lending. Millions were defaulting on their mortgages. Personal finance experts were recommending consumers stop spending until their rainy day funds were replenished.

What to do? Would Republicans and Democrats rally together to save our economy in a time of need like we did to fight Al Qaeda after 9-11?

Obama stepped forward with a stimulus plan. It got 3 republican votes in the Senate to override a Republican filibuster. It was a watered down version of what Obama and economic experts wanted the stimulus to be. But that is what was needed to get 3 Republican votes.

The worst financial crisis since the Great Depression and only 3 Republicans stepped forward to try to save our nation's economy from much worse damage.

A -8.5% growth rate in a $10 trillion economy is lost output of $850 billion per year in the first year. A longer recession just reduces the output of our economy even more. 2 years at this rate is $1.7 trillion lost output and any growth in the future is off this lower base.

Realistically, if nothing had been done to stimulate the economy and it returned to its normal growth rate of 2-3% in 2 years, we would still be absorbing the -$1.7 trillion per year lower output for years to come. Over a decade at just a 1 year recession at -8.5% growth rate with no stimulus would cost our economy $8.5 trillion in lost output. A 2 year recession at -8.5% growth rate with no stimulus would have reduced our output by $17 trillion over 10 years.

Stimulus works because it replaces money lost from recession with money borrowed from investors who have nothing else to safely invest it in. It stimulates growth of consumer and business spending. It ends recessions quickly and returns our economy to higher growth rates. It works and size matters. Bush's $120 billion stimulus in 2008 was not big enough to stop the recession from getting worse. Obama's $785 billion stimulus ended the recession in 6 months and increased the growth rate to almost 4% before it ran out. A smaller, second stimulus would have kept this economy growing faster. Republicans blocked it.

Stimulus works. Obama ended the recession. What did Republicans do to help in our time of need?

Nothing, but criticize and obstruct and plot to make Obama fail.

You know I am starting to think that Romney and Koch brothers and friends have taken control of NBC. I wrote a post like 3 times yesterday telling of the fast reaction team they have in place in here. I get right to the end and get ready to post and low and behold my post gets deleted. That has happened 3 times last week. Can anyone tell me whats going on. Fisty I haven't seen you here all week, did they kick you off for a week like they did to me for calling Elliot out?

so some very well reasoned and documented posts exposing obama and not a single reasoned and documented response. 'nuff said

Independent Thought

The "United" States of America is at risk to falling off the fiscal cliff. The auto bailout will be the least of all of OUR concerns.

Did Romney ever mention to you that when he cut funds to towns in Mass, average property taxes went up 24% to pay for those cuts?

Did Romney ever mention to you that when he cut funds for education in Mass, average state college tuition went up 63% to pay for those cuts?

What do you think is going to happened when Romney has to pay for the Romney tax cuts? He did it before, he will do it again.

"I challenge any of you to cite a single issue on which Romney has not completely reversed his position. Should be simple, right?"

He thinks Obama is bad for the country. And you're right, it was simple.

TNSEVOL

I challenge any of you to cite a single issue on which Romney has not completely reversed his position.

JUST. NAME. ONE.

Here is the complete list:

1. I will not release my income tax returns.

2. The end.

Economy worse off than thought... as pointed out here (if interested, nice read)

Or, you can just look the other way!

http://news.investors.com/102512-630716-obama-recovery-is-as-bad-as-it-seems.aspx

More signs of an economy improving faster.

GDP beats estimate

Michigan Consumer Sentiment is at the highest level since September 2007. That's right, highest level in 5 years!!!!

Romney/Ryan and Republicans won't mention these things because they want to scare people.

They run onto Fox News

They predicted Obama would take away their guns.
They predicted the apocalypse if President Obama was elected.
They also predicted the apocalypse if Dodd/Frank was passed.
They predicted successful terrorist attacks during Obama's first term.

When Obama succeeded, they decided to run on a platform that they can do better.

Vote Democrat so we can tell Republicans they are wrong for blocking the Veterans Jobs Bill, the Farm Bill, and the President's extension to the small business tax write off.

So Romney wants to be looked upon as "moderate" yet this evening he's attending a fundraiser with Dick Cheney and Glenn Beck.

This was reported by Rachel Maddow last nite.

So here we have Beck and Cheney and Romney.

Not a moderate among them. Just right wing neocons.

What a phony Romney is. A moderate my @ss.

Fisty I haven't seen you here all week, did they kick you off for a week like they did to me for calling Elliot out?

Chuck,

I've been here, I served my time out last month!

EI get right to the end and get ready to post and low and behold my post gets deleted.lliot the spammer is on my exclusive ignore list! ;o)

The First Read gremlins have been positively ravenous lately...

Just keep on trying!

Chuck:

First Read does not delete posts. Just look at the history and the same few saturate the first 100 posts.

Romney/Ryan 2012 for a "United" States of America

"On the Road, in the Air with the President"

I wonder if Mr. Obama's campaign funds are paying for Air Force 1 and "other" support requirements.

Nah, the expenses will be released AFTER the election.

Pretty sad when Mr. Obama is hitting the pavement so much and NOT being Presidential.

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I voted for Romney~Ryan to take back America from the Progressives and the RADICALS.

Ah Bill in fantasyland-- So if Romney says UNICORNS are real, we should believe him? LOL

Here's a fairytale for you: Romney's economic policy

CNN: Not Only Is Obama's Plan Old But It Doesn't Add Up

http://realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/24/cnn_not_only_is_obamas_plan_old_but_it_doesnt_add_up.html

John Sununu told the press the reality of the modern Republican party. This election has a very large component that is ALL about the RACE - of the candidates.

The very real fact is that the old line Democrats who controlled the South from the end of the civil war up to 1965 all became Nixon/Reagan Dixiecrats in the 1970's and then proceeded to become the amoral minority and now the Tea Party. The only thing missing from the GOP conventions are the hoods and the burning crosses.

dcia -- this is your reasoned response to a well-laid out post. why not refute what bill said. it should be easy for you.

A question posed for Joe in Albany, Bill in Fairfax, or any other Romney supporter -

I challenge any of you to cite a single issue on which Romney has not completely reversed his position.

Joe - I didn't think you could thik of anything, nice deflection.

Bill - Leave it to you to think being against Pres. Obama is an "issue". Unfortunately, you are still wrong. Romney embraced Pres. Obama's foreign policy and said many times "it was the right thing to do".

Wanna try again - or can you only post pre-written, verbiose, grandiose, dissertations on your distorted views of President Obama?

BTW, Have a nasty day.

I see the Albanian Idiot is extra nasty today. He must have lost a boat load in the recent stock market slide. Couldn't have happened to a nicer nastier poster. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Oh, dear God, halo, I see I gave you more credit for intelligence then you deserve

Where on EARTH did you ever get the idea that a tie would make Romney President and Biden Vice President?

Your assignment for the day is to research tie votes, the Electoral College, and the chain of authority of deciding elections.

Double spaced, neatness counts. And yes. You voting for Romney because of his race does indeed make you a bigot.

As I was commenting on a friends post I did a bit of "cyphering" as Jethro would say. There are approximately 311,591,917 people in the US, and around 24%, 74,782,060, of those are under the age of 18, and there are around 11,000,000 undocumented workers, making the total number ineligible to vote about 85,782,060. In 2010 only 37% of those eligible to vote voted in that election that gave the Tea Party control of the House. Meaning that out of 311 million people, only 83.5 million people voted, and out of those just over half or about 42 million people or 14% of the population voted for the wingnut Republicans like Todd Akin who thinks women have magic vaginas that can repel rape sperm. On another note, according to the CDC 1 in 7 people have some form of mental illness, or approximately 14% of our population. So, no matter how little you think your vote matters, no matter how horrible you think our choices are, no matter what your plans are for November 6th, GET YOUR ASS DOWN TO THE VOTING BOOTH AND VOTE OR YOU ARE GOING TO LET 40 MILLION CRAZY WINGNUTS, WHO BELIEVE THE EARTH IS ONLY 6000 YEARS OLD, PICK OUR NEXT PRESIDENT AND FILL OUR CONGREE WITH EVEN MORE IDIOTS. You don’t have to vote Democrat or Republican, you can choose to vote for the Green Party or the Libertarian Party or you can write in your favorite Muppet if you like, but not voting at all will assure that the worst possible people will win because that is who crazy people vote for. You can rest assured that those 40 million insane morons that gave us the likes of Michelle Bachman and Todd Akin are going to exercise their right to vote,. so exercise your right to vote and help bring some sanity back to America.

Independent Thought

Without a plan, other than a booklet of the same, we can't trust Obama's ability to run this nation. I don't trust someone that only uses silly one liners and name calling to be a leader of my children's future.

you base your opinion on booklets and silly one liners.

I base my opinion on the fact that as a Mass resident under Romney's tenure, I witnessed hikes in property taxes, state college tuition increases, hikes in fees such licensing, registrations, marriage certificates, realestate transactions, and many many more. In 2003 alone, Romney imposed more than $500 million in fee hikes, more than any other state.

You say you don't trust someone who uses silly one liners but you trust someone who has flipped on every issue once, twice, three times, sometimes from morning to the afternoon?

ldo

"On the Road, in the Air with the President"

I wonder if Mr. Obama's campaign funds are paying for Air Force 1 and "other" support requirements.

Nah, the expenses will be released AFTER the election.

Pretty sad when Mr. Obama is hitting the pavement so much and NOT being Presidential.

You do of course realize that AF-1 is most likely better equipped as an office than is the Oval one.

133 million working Americans when Bush left office

127 million working Americans today under Obama

6 million fewer jobs yet the administration says unemployment % numbers are the same as they were in 2009. Talk about smoke and mirrors.

A vote for O is a big fat zero

Romney/Ryan 2012 bringing jobs back to Americans.

billybob -- One who thinks just cuz Bill in Fairfax says something it's true...

Bill would believe in unicorns if Romney thinks they are real.

I countered Bill's thoughts in post #1.69 on what Romney thinks, billy.

So Barry's re-election is in trouble pretty much everywhere, right? He's done such a stellar job of leading this country over the past four years one would have to wonder, "Why is he having so much trouble getting re-elected?"

Guess it has to do with his OWN RECORD............

Not going to able to blame Bush for this one Barry.........

Romney/Ryan express coming thru.... ALL ABOARD.........

Obama hasn't had a chance since day one... not that liberal propaganda sites like NBC would ever admit it to their gullible sheep.

Romney Hits the 50 Percent Mark in New National Poll

"Romney's gains are clear especially in results on the economy."

"Equally important, Romney has erased Obama's customary advantage on which candidate better understands the economic problems of average Americans."

"There are other signals of Romney's gains...."

"By a broad 47-10 percent, independents say the debates left them with a better rather than a worse impression of Romney. In the same group, by contrast, just 17 percent say their impression of Obama improved - and 26 percent say it got worse."

http://news.yahoo.com/romney-hits-50-percent-mark-clear-edge-economy-210032956--abc-news-politics.html

Obama's debate performances repulsed over %50 more people than they impressed!.... and liberals still think he won the last one.

Good Morning everyone. I just wanted to stop by and say hello. It's cold and dreary out here on the prairie this morning. A typical late Fall type day. It's mildly depressing.

I'm tired of politics.

OH yes, I'm concerned about the future of this country, more so than I have ever been in my 62 years. But I'm bone weary of politics and all the pointless political sniping.

I want to buy a new Jazz Guitar and retreat to my nice snug little house with my snug little wife of 33 years and my dogs, play some smoooooooth, relaxing jazz on my news guitar and tip a few cold ones.

Well, the guitar will have to wait until I see how the election turns out. I may not be able to afford it if the Rominator wins. I may need all my cash for my relocation to Costa Rica. So, I guess I'll go play my 30 year old Martin HD35 (sweet old box) and hope for better times.

Have a nice day everyone, and I mean everyone. Life is too short for all this vitriol and hairy eyeball stuff today. I just want to play "Autumn Leaves" on my guitar and mellow out. Why don't we all give it a rest, huh?

What you say and do today is not important and will not make any difference in how the election will turn out. It's locked in, we're now on auto-pilot. Barring a major catastrophe or mis-step by the President or the former Governor, the election has been decided and you should all chill out and start to rebuild your relationships because what you are all doing is now totally meaningless and totally counter-productive. You're just stirring the pot.

I'm going home and play my old guitar, go out for some Sushi tonight and wait for November 6. When the President is re-elected I'll feel secure enough to to celebrate and drop the two grand on my new Gibson ES 137.

Have a great weekend everybody.

Obama/Biden 2012

Wish I could join you skip. Sounds lovely. Greet the family for me!

Bill, Fairfax VA

"I challenge any of you to cite a single issue on which Romney has not completely reversed his position. Should be simple, right?"

He thinks Obama is bad for the country. And you're right, it was simple.

And Obama thinks Romney will be a disaster for the country. So what? Your failure to come up with a single issue where Mittens hasn't flip flopped underscores what an unprincipled scoundrel he is.

@NDD

Where on EARTH did you ever get the idea that a tie would make Romney President and Biden Vice President?

Because in the event of a tie the new House of Representatives elect the President, one vote per state delegation and it is still likely the Republicans will have a majority of the state delegations.

The Senate elects the Vice-President and it is possible the new Senate will still have a majority of Democrats.

Why do mock someone when you are obviously the ignorant one?

In this kind of scenario, the 12^th Amendment to the Constitution says that if no candidate gets a majority of the electors, then the House of Representatives chooses a president from among the top three vote-getters. This would be done by the newly-elected House, not the current one.

Each state’s delegation in the House would have one vote. So, for example, Ohio’s 16 members of the House would caucus and vote as a bloc. There are almost certain to be more Republican House members from Ohio than Democratic members in the new Congress, so Ohio’s one vote would go to Romney.

In the new Congress which convenes on Jan. 3, it seems likely that there will be 28 or 29 Republican-majority delegations – more than enough to elect Romney. In this situation, the newly-elected Senate chooses the vice president with each senator having one vote. It is unclear which party is likely to control the Senate in the next Congress.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/25/14700653-recount-tie-how-to-navigate-the-post-electoral-process?lite

Hi Skip...

Meant to thank you for the kind words the other day!! Have a great weekend!!

Alan...

Even crazier would be the situation where the new Senate is 50-50!!!???

Good luck with the storm headed your way. :-)

I hear conservatives brag about how much they love America,
they have made in China flag decals all over their cars and they wear their
patriotism on their sleeves just as they do their religion, rubbing it in
everyone’s face all day long. But do they really love this country or is it just
plastic patriotism, all show and no substance?

Let’s take a look at America and exactly what the
conservatives like and dislike about. Back in the 17^th century the
Pilgrims came to America seeking freedom from religious persecution, so one can
say that freedom of religion is one of our founding principles. Do the
conservatives believe in freedom of religion? NO! Well only for Christians,
they believe that this country is a Christian nation and only that only
Christians should be free to practice their religion openly, and that is not freedom of religion. Okay so that
is one aspect of America they don’t like and are always trying to change.

Our Constitution states that all men are created equal. Do
the conservatives believe that all men are created equal? NO First of all they
do not believe that non-Christians should have the same rights as Christians.
George H. W. Bush said, “I do not believe that atheists are patriots and they
should not be considered citizens.” They also don’t think that the indigenous
people of this land are equal, nor do they think they should have the right to
practice their own religion or speak their native language. The same goes for
the descendants of the slaves they brought over from Africa or the migrant
workers who pick their fruits and vegetables and clean their houses. Strike
two!

How about the Frist Amendment of the Constitution, "Congress
shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the
free exercise thereof." Well obviously they don’t like that, they are
constantly trying to get Congress to pass laws that would respecting the
establishment of Christianity in our public schools, our places of employment,
our courts, etc. Throughout the 20^th century they fought to erode
the separation of church and state by sneaking the word god into our national
anthem, onto our money and even into our electoral system which Article VI,
paragraph 3 of the US Constitution clearly forbids, “no religious test shall
ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the
United States”. Strike three!

What about Freedom of Speech? Only if it applies to their
speech, when anyone else tries to speak out they call them traitors and
“anti-American”. What of Freedom of the Press? Again, only Fox news can bad
mouth Democrats, if anyone of the other news agencies says something bad about
a Republican president then they are committing treason in the eyes of the
conservatives. Strike four and five!

Do they like our natural spaces? Our scenic beauty? Our
forests and lakes? Well only if they can exploit them for a profit, if anyone
even mentions conservation the conservatives call them tree hugging hippies or
label them “eco-terrorists”. Strike six!

How about our neighbors to the north and south, Canada and
Mexico? LOL, I don’t even think I need to address this one; the conservatives
want to put a big wall around this country so none of “those people” can get
in. Strike seven.

So what exactly do the conservatives “love” about America
other than the made in China plastic flag decals they plaster all over their
made in Japan cars?

John Snoozaroo needs to wake up and join us in the 21st century.

Obama will win with 304 electoral votes.

People are so ignorant

Obama's stimulus stopped the recession in 6 months

Bottom of recession March 14th 2009 . Stimulus signed into law on February 17, 2009

His stimulus didn't have time to work. We had a downward spike in the market and unemployment and the market bounced off the bottom. Obama had no control over that.

Pat, Boston MA

Our lovely First Lady Michelle Obama, with our Gov. Deval Patrick

Oh wow a real treat. One more story to share which I just remembered. I was in the chain store that took over Dominick's about three weeks ago. The cashier noticed my President Obama born in America button on my coat and told me how sad and ashamed she was of the GOP. I told her about the Obama Photo Diary and recruited her as a volunteer for OFA.

4 more 4 44

Obama/Biden 2012

Bill, Fairfax Va:

You lied every time you implied that millionaires and billionaires pay taxes at a lower rate than middle class families when the fact is the CBO reports the effective tax rate of those rich folks is nearly three times as much as middle class families. You lied every time you implied rich folks don't pay their "fair share" in taxes when in fact the CBO also reports the top 1% of earners paid 39% of all federal income taxes even though they account for only 13% of national income.

This is a convenient distortion of the facts, frankly. The CBO reports the effective tax rate of those rich folks was based on quintiles, defining the 'middle class' as the middle quintile, and those 'rich folks' as the top quintile. The middle quintile is comprised of people earning from about $18.5k to about $35k - basically the working poor. The top quintile is everyone making more than $88k - which actually includes most of the real 'middle class', and accounts for 85% of all wealth in the country - not just income, but all assets.

But the top 1% accounts for over 50% of all investment assets in the country. Finally, since the CBO report is based on results in the 2008-2009 timeframe, when the stock market was tanked, and since the vast majority of income for the top 1% comes from capital gains, dividends and carried interest, their relative income for that time period is not particularly relevant.

Romeny was asked by the Boston Globe about a letter he wrote the New England Gay and Lesbian paper, Bay Windows, “I think the gay community needs more support from the Republican Party and I would be a voice in the Republican Party to [support gays and lesbians]."

Romney's answer began, "You have to consider who the letter was directed towards..."

That, in a nutshell, is the character of the man that conservatives would elect president. Romney will say whatever he thinks needs to be said to close a deal. He has no moral compass other than "I am willing to do whatever, say whatever." That is one reason that Massachusetts is voting for Obama by a 25% margin - they know Mitt better than the rest of the country.

In reality, it oozes out of that fat bastards pores, like much of the Grand Old Prejudice party!

If you are not rich, white & male, there is no place in the once big tent party!

PERIOD!

Seriously, feisty deadhead - talk about being racist re-read your post - kinda like the pot calling the kettle black don't ya think! You are a troll!

Any party that has individuals contained within who think that the end result of a rape can be considered a "good thing" is fricken sick.

Randy wrote:

People are so ignorant

Obama's stimulus stopped the recession in 6 months

Bottom of recession March 14th 2009 . Stimulus signed into law on February 17, 2009

His stimulus didn't have time to work. We had a downward spike in the market and unemployment and the market bounced off the bottom. Obama had no control over that.

Response: The stimulus was signed into law 2/17/09. The recession bottomed out one month later. 6 months after signing, we went positive on GDP and hence technically ended the recession. 10 months after signing, we bottomed out on unemployment at 10.2%, and have seen slow but steady improvement to 7.8% ever since.

Many, many smart economists credit the stimulus with this turn around, and the timing sure supports it.

Incidentally, top CEOs from all across the nation signed onto Obama's common sense tax plan yesterday (cut spending, increase taxes, both in modest ways as the fiscally responsible path to controlling the deficit).

This is the amazing thing to me - Obama is the fiscal conservative here, preaching common sense, and supported by CEOs and economists. Yes, there is still a deficit after 4 years, but it's been shrinking by at least $100b/year for 3 years. Romney is wildly irresponsible, wants to cut revenue and increase spending, and doesn't talk about improving the deficit at all in his first term (in fact, they acknowledge that they will make things worse for the first 4 years!!!). How anyone can support Romney is beyond me.

Bill Fairfax Va: You lied every time you implied that millionaires and billionaires pay taxes at a lower rate than middle class families when the fact is the CBO reports the effective tax rate of those rich folks is nearly three times as much as middle class families.

The minimum tax rate of anyone making less than $100,000 is about 13% - that's where everyone starts. That's the tax rate for Medicare taxes and social security.

According to Fox News, yes, Fox News, http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/25/fact-check-is-romney-tax-rate-really-lower-than-yours/ , IRS data from 2010 shows someone making between $50,000 and $75,000 on average pays an effective rate of 7.8 percent - on income tax.

That is the Federal tax rate on income. Add up the total taxes, and you have an average rate of 20.8%, which is about 50% greater than Mr Romney's rate.

Look at your own paycheck. Do the math. You are paying more per dollar than Mr Romney did.

There is no doubt that Republicans can do math. No one can be that stupid. This is willful, deliberate lying.

Just In from Wisconsin

Rasmussen

Obama 49, Romney 49.

News from liberal Key West. . .

Lots of Romney signs. Thought I saw some Obama signs- but they turned out to say "Nobama".

My favorite? The yard sign that said "I'm voting for the Mormon; not the Moron".

My best friend down here also has a home in Ohio. A staunch democrat, she's completely resigned to the outcome of this election. In addition to all the Romney signs here-to say nothing of the dearth of Obama signs- she says that the polls showing Ohio close must be polling the populace of Ohio, Mars.

Nothing BUT Romney signs everywhere.

She buys the NY Times explanation- its Clinton's fault.

Calling your opponent a "bullsh##er" shows a definite lack of character and control and can no way exemplify the character of the President of the United States.

Only if your opponent is not such a person. I would rather have a President who just tells the truth. Wouldn't you?

Sure would like to know why Obama is so worried about releasing his college records, transcripts, and other information? Now he could do it and have a charity of his choice get $5 million dollars from The Donald! Maybe Barry really has something to hide, eh?

Or maybe Barry thinks he can name himself a charity after the election!

Lovely Michelle Obama is in my Town of La Jolla Ca today at a Breakfast fund raiser, and from what I can tell there is a long line and a Ton of Patriotic 1%ers who are supporting President Obama, Now if we could just get the Una-brow Cave-Dwellers from the American Taliban party out of Office we can finally move this Country Forward for Prosperity for ALL 100% of Americans

also There seems to be more Registration Fraud from the GOP in Indiana where They was supposed to take off 800 names from voter registration and instead they took off 18,000 Mainly people who voted for POTUS Obama in 2008

Obama/Biden 2012 The GOP are running our Country like Joseph Stalin

Fairfax Bill, nope, you're flat out wrong. I stand behind President Obama because I trust him, see that he has moved this country from the depths of near depression, see his accomplishments. President Obama is running on his record, he kept the country from falling off the cliff, saved the American auto industry, has fought China's unfair trade practices, ended the war in Iraq and is ending the one in Afghanistan, he passed health care legislation, passed the Lilly Ledbetter fair pay law which allows women to sue employers for discrimination with no time limits, ended DADT, etc etc etc. Those promises he hasn't kept are not because he didn't try but because Congress is dysfunctional thanks to republican obstructionism.

You still didn't name one single issue on which Mitt Romney has maintained the same position. What you posted doesn't count because that's just party talking points. Shoot, Bill, Romney even denied his tax cut plan existed in the first debate and the next day, he back tracked and said it did; then this week, flip flopped on his foreign policy to embrace President Obama. Not to mention the dozens and dozens of other flip flops from Mitt. Jon Huntsman is absolutely right--Romney is nothing more than a "well-oiled weather vane".

OMG, here we go again with the college transcripts. Did you demand Bush release his? Why no demand that Romney release his college transcript OR BETTER YET his tax returns? What "pious baloney" from the naybobs.

DB,

The last 17 polls in Wisconsin since mid-August Romney leads in NONE

So much fun! no jo: our self proclaimed "expert" on numbers using imaginary friends to show that she is right.

Only freshmen in high school do that, no jo: and they soon learn not to.

New Hampshire Poll

Obama 49 - Romney 46

No internals released

Any party that has individuals contained within who think that the end result of a rape can be considered a "good thing" is fricken sick.

Biddog, anybody who would twist a politician's comments so horribly... is someone with a twisted mind! What punks you libbies have shown yourself to be!

If 95% of whites supported Romney people would be SCREAMING racism, but when 95% of blacks support Obama everyone thinks that's normal. Do you really think race isn't a factor here? If you don't think race is playing a factor google Stacey Dash and see what happens when a black woman tries to endorse Romney over Obama.

Now we see the true Obama. A insignificant man more concerned about his legacy than about anything else,

Why is that a problem? Obama having a legacy means that he did good for the country. Mostly, this means that he saved the economy that his predecessor had left in ruins, but also healthcare, ending two wars and restoring America's status in the word.

It's interesting listening to the Republicans who harp on about "Obama's legacy." Listen closer and you can hear the truth - they don't want Obama to have a legacy and in order to do that, they are willing to hurt the country so that they can defeat Obama. To hurt the President is to hurt the country.

THAT is the real reason you hear so many complaints about Obama's legacy.

I heard that Donald Trump could make an easy 1 Million, I will add an additional 1,000.00 to that Million, and all the Donald has to do is let Colbert put a couple of Nuts in the Donald's Mouth, Why not Nuts for a Nut

Obama/Biden 2012 We dont need Nut Jobs in The WhiteHouse Robme/Lyin Ryan

After reading the first 4 or 5 postings I felt like I needed to take another shower. There are some people on here with some severe issues.............I don't mean political I mean mental. They just sort of feed off each other in a deranged sort of way.

FINALLY  - A GREAT LINK TO ROMNEY'S TAX PLAN - SHARE IT WITH ALL THE NAYSAYERS -  

People have been begging for this, demanding it, and could not find it for months.

@Joe Albany -- terrific post #1.9, pretty much shows the messiah speaks with forked tongue.

@no joe -- great minds think alike :)

@JS1 -- your ability to get under the skin of these idiot lefties continues to impress

@Houston -- if I had a pimple on my a$$ I'd name it after you.

@DICA -- NAWO

@ Dr Ron -- perhaps you could share with us the analysis CBO has done on Romney's plans

@tim numbers -- no distortion, just straight fact

Dennis

Trend is what counts

Meanwhile in Nevada a Gravis Poll

Obama 50, Romney 49. Obama +1

Democrats 45, Republicans 26, 2008 Democrats 38, Republicans 30. 2004 Democrats 35, Republicans 39%.

Skew favors Democrats.

@Grimey

Even crazier would be the situation where the new Senate is 50-50!!!???

I wonder if Biden would vote for himself or step down. I actually think he would step down.

Wasn't taken by Obama's "zingers" or his BS comment. Should leave comedy to the professionals. Tina Fey IS funny.

“I wish we could have an honest and respectful dialogue about these complicated issues,” Fey said. “But it seems like we can’t right now. And if I have to listen to one more gray-faced man with a two-dollar haircut explain to me what rape is, I’m gonna lose my mind.”

“I watch these guys and I’m like what is happening? Am I a secretary on ‘Mad Men’?” Fey joked.

Fey then tried to summarize Akin’s views on pregnancy and rape, concluding “It’s making me dumber when I say it. But it’s something about the body not being able to get pregnant when it’s under physical stress. Mr. Akin I think you are confusing the phrase ‘legitimate rape’ with the phrase ‘competitive gymnastics.’”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8yNCMkgk9E&feature=youtu.be

Free Market fan - sue wouldlike to know why Romney is so worried about releasing 10 years of his tax returns as almost every Presidential candidate in modern time has done - his father after all released 12 years. Clearly he has something to hide. We won't ask him for his college records and transcripts since they have never been released by any Presidential candidate in the past!

seejames - if the candidate can't articulate his plan, he doesn't have one!

Obama/Biden 2012

using imaginary friends to show that she is right.

NDD,

You mean like Nate Silver?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I said yesterday, I will take Nate's expertise over Snookie-Joe666.bull@!$%#.com

Hacks who can't respond on topic to the article....

Finally, someone in the media woke up and pointed to what I said yesterday.

How much of the United States of America is voting in Ohio? Seriously, if you vote for the candidate who logs less hours in Ohio, and send them a letter why you voted for them, you might be doing this country a favor.

Campaign in Ohio on your way around the country? No problem. Campaign only in Ohio?

Totally stupid.

Skip in OK....Very nice post....hopefully you will get that new guitar soon.

Weather also took a downward turn in South Central Texas......much colder than yesterday, drippy, and freezing predicted for North Texas tonight.

Enjoy your weekend.

Obama/Biden 2012!

Fairfax Bill:

@Houston -- if I had a pimple on my a$$ I'd name it after you.

It's typical that a liar like Fairfax Bill responds with grammar school taunts when he's exposed as the liar he is.

Just to set the record straight for all you dreamers who think Obama is great. Romney will be our next President. now stop crying and wipe your tears away and go find a job and stop asking for those who work hard to pay for you free loaders.

New Public Policy Polling survey in Virginia, conducted on behalf of Health Care for America Now, finds Barack Obama expanding his lead in the aftermath of his debate victory Monday night. He now has 51% to 46% for Mitt Romney, up from a 49/47 advantage last weekend.

Key findings from the survey include:

-Obama’s seen a 7 point net improvement in his favorability rating among Virginia voters from a -3 spread last week (48/51) to now +4 at 51/47. Romney’s numbers have headed in the other direction. He’s dropped 7 points from a +2 spread on our last poll (49/47) to now -5 at 46/51.

-Voters trust Obama more than Romney on several major issues in the election. Those include who voters think will stand up for the middle class (52/44) and who they think will do more to protect Medicare (50/46).

-Obama leads 57/41 with women, 88/8 with African Americans, and 53/42 with young voters. Romney has a 50/45 advantage with men, a 57/41 one with whites, and a 57/41 edge with seniors. Obama’s moved from being slightly behind with independents last week at 45/44 to now slightly ahead at 47/45.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/10/obama-lead-in-virginia-up-to-5-points.html

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DB, I've also seen polls with the president leading in ALL battleground states, including Colorado. We don't know what to believe at this point, however, if these VA's hold for the president, game over, assuming he nails Ohio, which seems pretty likely considering all the early voting that has gone on in that state, with the democrats having a huge edge in voting there.

But like I said, we just don't know. Polls are all over the place.

Alan NJ

Good facts on tie breaking procedure in House. You do good facts on most things as you nitpick through our President's policies.

My question to you is what would you and your representatives in Congress have done to end the 2008-2009 Recession? It is easy to nit pick what has happened already. I could write 10 pages on Bush policy failures, but also on how I would have done it better. Hindsight is 20/20 fro some of us.

What would you have recommended to end the Great Recession? How would it have affected our nation' output of goods and services? How would it have affected our national debt?

These are big questions, but all I hear from you and other Republican posters is criticism and little else. What would you have done?

Debt - 4 more means 20+ trillion of debt, Mideast including Libya disaster, Fast and Furious, Big Bird, Over spending, Unemployment and underemployment, Nationalizing Auto; Green and other industries, lack of leadership to move congress, blame game, divide and conquer approach to everything, continued wars, gas prices, inflation, quantitative easing, tax the rich, make more poor - especially women, health care, Executive orders, no Budget for 4 years, apology for US, Israel, Russia, China...it goes on and on...

I know how I'm voting in Ohio.
Wish you all the best

Incidentally, top CEOs from all across the nation signed onto Obama's common sense tax plan yesterday (cut spending, increase taxes, both in modest ways as the fiscally responsible path to controlling the deficit).

Noncoms on what planet did you get that. The CEO's in no way endorsed Obama or his tax plan. The quote from the LA Times is below about the CEO's. They want increased revenue through eliminating exemptions and deductions NOT TAX INCREASES. They also want to reform Medicare and Medicaid. They also said our current trajectory is unsustainable. They are much more in line with Romney's plan and are saying the direction were heading now is wrong. I don't know how you could have gotten it so wrong that they were backing Obama. In fact they actually didn't back anyone. They just backed Romney's idea on taxes, changes to Medicare and Medicaid etc.

In fact, it should have been obvious long ago. Seemingly every group not wedded to a particular ideology that has looked at the federal government's long-term deficit and debt problems has come to the same set of conclusions. First, the government's current trajectory is unsustainable. Second, the most significant threat over the long term is rising healthcare costs in Medicare and Medicaid. And third, Washington's budget gap is too wide to be closed just by slashing spending. Congress also needs to increase revenue, preferably by curbing the profusion of exemptions, preferences, credits and deductions in the tax code.

To John Sanunu,

Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life.

Tired calls for tax return releases that have already happened (showing Mitt Romney to be the most charitable Presidential candidate ever!) and the race card in the first two post. It's going to be a good day!

My best friend down here also has a home in Ohio. A staunch democrat, she's completely resigned to the outcome of this election. In addition to all the Romney signs here-to say nothing of the dearth of Obama signs- she says that the polls showing Ohio close must be polling the populace of Ohio, Mars.

Nothing BUT Romney signs everywhere.

Funny, I live in a part of Ohio that leans Republican in every election, yet the yard signs in my neighborhood are almost even.

Unscientific count of car magnets and bumper stickers favors Pres. Obama - but in Romney's defense maybe some of his supporters don't want stickers or magnets on their fancy foreign cars or Cadillacs!

Polls are just polls, but Romney has yet to show a lead in ANY poll in Ohio. Obama has the better ground game, early voting is significantly in his favor, and Dems are still organized and fired up about the attempt by Gov Kasich to "bust" the public unions.

Romney won't be getting too many votes in Ohio from Teachers, Firefighters, Police Officers or Auto Workers.

To John Sanunu,

Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life.

Worked for Ted Kennedy!

I just wanted to say thanks to Dawn, Frank and Chilled for the nice response and well wishes.

Frank, you are my favorite Republican and I find your words thoughtful and respectful, always.

Dawn, thanks, I wish you could join us. You would like my wife and I hear this new Asian fusion restaurant we're going to try is wonderful.

Chilled, thanks a lot and I sure hope I get to go ahead and buy that new guitar instead of going to Costa Rica. But we'll just have to see.

Everybody else, give it a rest kids.

It is, what it is and it will be what it will be.

Speaking as someone who has worked in politics and run two successful campaigns I can tell you that we are now on auto-pilot. Barring a honest to goodness October/November surprise or a big honkin' mistake by one or the other candidate the election is in the bag.

Nothing you do or say will change anything so you might as well sip a cold one and wait for the outcome on November 6. You're not accomplishing anything here except raising your blood pressure.

To all my Republican and Democrat friends and even spineless Independents like myself, have a great weekend.

Obama/Biden 2012

Free Market fan

Sure would like to know why Obama is so worried about releasing his college records, transcripts, and other information?

while you're at it you should request Obama's supermarket shopping records, his library records, his parent-teacher confrence transcripts, his bowel movement schedule...

....while Romney hides his tax returns for 20 years.

HYPOCRITES!

They just confirmed the discovery of 500 BILLION barrels of oil in Ohio!!!... Holy crap! Who do you think Ohio trusts to get that out of the ground... Holy Crap Ohio is going to be a boom state. (Unless Obama get elected)

It is Still the ECONOMY, Stupid!!! NOW we can add the murder of Americans in BENGHAZI!!!!!

--Sources on the ground in Benghazi during the attack on the US consulate tell Fox News that CIA operatives twice asked for permission to help Ambassador Chris Stevens and his staff, and twice were told to 'stand down' -- while a later request for military backup was denied.---

No wonder obama is trying to blame it on a video!! These are impeachable actions!!

LogicReguired

Tired calls for tax return releases that have already happened

his sterilized tax returns? Even the one that he manipulated to show a higher rate? Did Mitt overpay in taxes on purpose or are his accountants incompetent?

I can hear the terror in feisty carrot top's recent posts.... she has finally recognized that her gravey train of the last 4 years, has almost ended....

With Romney as President, freeloaders like her will have to learn that getting welfare also means looking for work! A foreign concept to obamamites! And I don't think trolling truck stops in N Illinois counts as work dear feisty! :)

Averon1,

If 95% of whites supported Romney people would be SCREAMING racism, but when 95% of blacks support Obama everyone thinks that's normal.

The depth of stupidity underlying this statement is breathtaking. . . .

averon1

If 95% of whites supported Romney people would be SCREAMING racism,

Until 2008, 100% of white voters, and 100% of black voters, supported a white guy every single election. Does that mean that the US was racist until 2008?

But seriously, 78% of Jewish voters, 67% of Hispanic voters, 62% of Asian voters, 56% of women, 66% of (18-29) voters, and 69% of first time voters also voted for the black guy? You're going to call them racist, too?

Any poll that shows Colorado as a tie is way off. I live here and most polls have Romney up by more then two. Rasmussen has Romney up 4 in Colorado.

I have also seen polls where Romney is tied or ahead in Pennsylvania and Michigan (blue states)

Polls are junk, the election is what matters!

gtouch

After reading the first 4 or 5 postings I felt like I needed to take another shower. There are some people on here with some severe issues.............I don't mean political I mean mental. They just sort of feed off each other in a deranged sort of way

--------- I second this and wish I could give more than one check.

@LogicRequired

Excellent posts and spot on.

My question to you is what would you and your representatives in Congress have done to end the 2008-2009 Recession? It is easy to nit pick what has happened already. I could write 10 pages on Bush policy failures, but also on how I would have done it better. Hindsight is 20/20 fro some of us.

What would you have recommended to end the Great Recession? How would it have affected our nation' output of goods and services? How would it have affected our national debt?

Christine Romner stated in her proposal for the stimulus that the only way to get money into the economy fast enough was through tax cuts. Instead of tax cuts I would have argued for a 4 year infrastructure fund that would have financed long-term capital projects rather than shovel-ready "quick-fixes". I also would not have sent the money to the states so that they put off the day reckoning for a couple of years.

Borrow for Investment yes, borrow to cover current expenditures no.

Money for basic research yes, money for commercial ventures in the market place no.

Money for math and science yes, money for all education no.

We need realistic goals and then a plan to achieve them. The stimulus was simply throwing money at every problem at the end of the day it did not achieve it's stated goals of keeping unemployment under 8% (don't yell at me its in the proposal), nor its long term goal of achieving unemployment under 6% today.

Something Strange is going on with the MSNBC site, what's up with that ????

Are they destroying one of the best sites, hope not ????

his sterilized tax returns? Even the one that he manipulated to show a higher rate? Did Mitt overpay in taxes on purpose or are his accountants incompetent?

Liberals were accusing him of paying no taxes or even worse cheating on his taxes. What he released showed he has paid taxes every year. The one year he didn't claim his full charitable givings so his rate was over 10%, had he claimed them all he still would of paid taxes but his rate might have fell under 10%. The two points to remember are one - Democrats lied when they said he cheated or didn't pay taxes, and point two - that his returns showed he and his wife give millions to charities, over 10% of their earnings which should be applauded not scorned. You liberals talk about caring for the poor, but when it comes to your time and money you're very cheap, the Romney's have for decades now given much of their time and wealth. Actions speak louder then words.

You liberals talk about caring for the poor, but when it comes to your time and money you're very cheap, the Romney's have for decades now given much of their time and wealth. Actions speak louder then words.

Do you think removing food stamp assistance and undermining unemployment benefits amounts to caring for the poor?

Friday, October 26, 2012

President Obama and Mitt Romney are now tied in the critical battleground state of Wisconsin.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Wisconsin Voters shows the president and his Republican challenger each earning 49% support. One percent (1%) likes another candidate, and two percent (2%) are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

This race remains a Toss-Up in the Rasmussen Reports Electoral College Projections. Obama carried Wisconsin by a 56% to 42% margin in 2008.

BYE BYE OBUMBO!!!

...

Quite a few here are saying media outlets are saying Obamas numbers do not add up, yes they do,if you have not checked them for your self please do so.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tax-policy-center-spotlight-romney-173604062.html

This is an unbiased report that will show Romneys numbers do not add up. And the effects his tax plan will have on America. The gyst of the report to Romney is nice try, but your numbers do not work.

The important thing for those of you saying Obama should be out because he did not deliver the last 4 yrs need to understand that it is much more important to look to where we are going now, more than where we have been. Remember this when you are in the booth.

Romney has already lost the respect of some world leaders. I will show you here with source that his tax plan does not work,(according to the experts) numbers do not lie. Why take a chance on going backwards, when we are already moving FORWARD.

Vote FORWARD not BACKWARD.

Obama/Biden 2012

Did Mitt overpay in taxes on purpose or are his accountants incompetent?

So now liberals are mad Romney paid to much?

This back and forth bickering over "lies" and "flip-flop" politics aimed fairly equally at each candidate for President of the United States - well, it's getting old, literally.

First, I dare say that not one of us NV posters could truthfully say, "I have never lied in my entire life." Moving on, I also say that not one of us NV posters could ever truthfully say, "I have never changed my mind about an opinion I had."

Yes, you are going to tell me - so what if every person lies, the President (or even a Governor) is NOT supposed to lie or flip flop their opinion. Why not, they were humans before they took the oath to be an elected leader, and they are humans after.

Some say President Obama is a narcissist, some say Romney is - I say, you probably have to be to get this high in our political system. There are plenty of people who are smarter and more humble than either candidate - do you honestly believe they would ever be elected? Of course not, this country likes superhero's - "He quickly rose through the ranks while Senator," or "The Governor inherited a state with a huge deficit and worked tirelessly to balance the state's budget." Ummm....what lovely statements, especially when "He did his job adequately," would be the truth and more to the point.

How quickly WE THE PEOPLE completely forget and/or fabricate the past.... the lists below are BARELY THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG! Just a sampling - I haven't even touched corruption, false flags, etc....

Name a US President (or even a few Senators) who did not lie during their term in office - or flip flop or make (to the still Puritanical United States a "moral" mistake. You should be having a very hard time...because they all have, here are some of those:

We all know Clinton and Nixon lied publicly, Bush 1 & 2 also both lied (Bush 1 had an Ambassador's (from Kuwait) daughter say that Iraqi soldiers were killing babies in the ICU in Kuwait - of course, that was a lie - but one Pres. Bush 1 used for months in speeches in order to make the case for Operation Desert Storm. http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~marto/aip/mcohen.htm

Bush 2 and WMD's - go to 5:05-6:04?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvliUuXjbL4&feature=related

Presidents do lie when they want to go to war : http://www.lewrockwell.com/higgs/higgs10.html

1898: Pres. McKinley

1916: Pres. W. Wilson was re-elected with the slogan, "Keep US out of the War" (WW1) - he won, and promptly asked Congress for a declaration of war (which he did get)

FDR - literally pushed the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor, during re-election in 1940 he said: I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars." He was lying when he said that and soon the US was engaged in WWII.

Lyndon B Johnson 1964 election: "We are not about to send American boys 9 or 10,000 miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves." In 1965 - committed 500,000 to the "war" in Vietnam

Pres. Reagan and his involvement with Iran Contra scandal

We have history books rewritten - such as Pres. Lincoln, the great Emancipator. Was he, no - he didn't care about "colored people" - as he wrote in his letter to Horace Greeley: http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm Actually, this letter shows the extent as to how much Lincoln could FLIP-FLOP

"I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views."

In a report - EVERY President has been human and lied, etc... http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-presidents-washington-through-bush-may-have,20/?ref=auto

The report offers substantial evidence linking all 42 presidents to deliberate acts of deception and dishonesty. Among its assertions are that Thomas Jefferson lied about impregnating one of his slaves; Ulysses S. Grant deceived Congress regarding his role in the Whiskey Ring scandal; Ronald Reagan intentionally withheld key facts in the Iran-Contra Affair; Warren G. Harding told untruths during the Teapot Dome scandal; James K. Polk, Martin Van Buren, and Chester A. Arthur fibbed about the details of trade pacts; and Franklin Pierce was less than forthcoming regarding details of the Kansas-Nebraska Act. "Shockingly, even William Henry Harrison, a president who was in office for a month and spent most of it on his deathbed, seems to have found time to lie during the famously lengthy inaugural address that would speed his demise," independent-counsel investigator James McManus said.

Elected officials and secret "love" children: Pres. Grover Cleveland, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Pres. Thomas Jefferson (6 children), Senator John Edwards, NY Rep. 13th Dist. Vito Fossella, Pres. Warren Harding, Senator Strom Thurmond - I'm sure I'm missing some, but I don't have all day to look them all up...

http://www.businessinsider.com/schwarzenegger-secret-love-child-2011-5?op=1

Affairs in the White House? Only 7 are documented as having affairs while in the White House...everyone knows that list... http://nolanthomas.hubpages.com/hub/Sexual-Affairs-by-US-Presidents

So, what I'm saying is - lying, cheating, arrogant - that is what get's one elected...from either party...the same goes for who sits at the table of the worlds largest corporations... look at Jack Welch (GE), Rudy Giuliani (ex NYC Mayor) ... they didn't get to the top by being nice or truthful.... Pres. Jimmy Carter was honest - and he gets bashed (still) at every turn.

While we are talking about liars in office - let's include every President and every official associated with the Bureau of Indian Affairs - the number of treaties broken by the White House from the countries inception to now, is in and of itself staggering.

No matter who wins this election - they will make a mistake or disappoint some voters during their term. However, the world is becoming a trickier place than it was 100 years ago...having people hurdle insults such as "libtard" or "right wingnut," does nothing to help this "Republic." The more we argue, the more our leaders get away with because we are not holding any leader responsible for their actions - yet we pay their salary, we pay for whatever they decide to do....we are not powerless, unless we bicker with each other like children!

Do you think removing food stamp assistance and undermining unemployment benefits amounts to caring for the poor?

It's easy to be generous with others money, the Romney's are generous with their own money.
Besides Romney is not for removing food stamps assistance or undermining unemployment, he is for getting people jobs so they don't need these programs

The only Money to charity Romney gives is to The Church of the Mormon Cult, and unless you are a member of that cult Romney gives you nothing

Wall Street Gaming Romney Win: 'Trillions at
Stake'

Published: Wednesday, 24 Oct 2012 | 12:02 PM ET

By: Steve Liesman
Senior Economics
Reporter

Wall Street is beginning to game
out what will happen to Federal Reserve policy and interest rates if Republican
Mitt Romney is elected president.

Mitt Romney speaks during a campaign rally Tuesday in
Morrison, Colo.

With Romney drawing even in recent
polls, markets are taking more seriously his vow to replace Fed Chairman Ben
Bernanke as well as his criticism of Fed policy, creating the potential for what
one fund manager calls "a monetary cliff."

"The
election may impact everything from mortgage costs to the cost of financing the
U.S. debt. Trillions are at stake, as well as the fate of the U.S. dollar," said
fund manager Axel Merk.

Sorry Pat, Boston #1.12 but Ayrault is hardly a glowing endorsement. I believe he lead the socialist party in France for many years. Next you are going to say that Chavez and Castro have given their endorsement for Obama...wait, what?

Randy

How do you determine the bottom of recession to a specific date? It is beyond the ability of Bureau of Labor Statistics to do this. Do you have some magical source you'd like to share with us. The date you cite is the low point of stock market, which is not a gauge of growth in our economy, but of future expectations and immediate investor cash needs.

The passage of stimulus told Wall Street and Main Street that help was coming. Aid to states of $200 billion prevented layoffs of 600,000 + state, local, and school district employees in each state' next fiscal year budget. Aid to long term unemployed kept them form defaulting on their mortgages and continue some consumer spending, albeit at a lower level. In Pa, we would have had to layoff in June 2009. Other states on the same July-June fiscal year would have had to do same. Many other states without rainy day funds would have had to layoff their workers in 2nd quarter 2009 when they saw their tax revenues declining more than expected since passage of last budget. The shovel ready projects put 750,000 to work in 2nd, 3rd quarter 2009. All these things ended the recession in Summer 2009. It would have dragged on much longer and had the potential to get much worse without Federal stimulus.

You are so ignorant of the effectiveness of stimulus.

What do you think Reagan did to end his recession? Stimulus spending and tax cuts (which is also stimulus, although it has the least impact on economy of any stimulus and frequently, those tax cuts add billions to the deficit every year until they are repealed.)

What did Bush II do to end his .com recession? Stimulus spending and 2 rounds of tax cuts (which still add billions and billions to our deficit every year).

Businesses could delay tough cutbacks temporarily in anticipation of Federal stimulus helping economy. Consumers could see light at the end of the tunnel, so they did not have to completely stop spending to replenish their rainy day funds.

You are the one who cannot see the reality of our desperate situation in early 2009.

Again, all you Republican posters offer NO alternative solutions to ending the Great Recession. Although, you sound as if you would have recommended doing nothing. I wonder how the stock market would have reacted to that? I wonder how many more millions of people would have lost their jobs and homes. I wonder how man tens of thousands of businesses would have closed their doors forever.

OBAMA 2012....his stimulus ended the great Recession and put us on the rod to higher growth (now 2%, despite Republicans blocking his second smaller stimulus).

Romney is not for removing food stamps assistance or undermining unemployment, he is for getting people jobs so they don't need these programs

Right. A statement from a real genius. Under Romney unemployment will drop to 0% and everyone will make a living wage and no one will need Food Stamps. Only someone who believes in fairy tales would insinuate such a thing. Only someone who has never known an individual or family who has genuinely needed this kind of assistance for a period of time after an illness or loss of a job would believe this. Logic Required--you really do require a healthy dose of logic.

@black kettle;

This back and forth bickering over "lies" and "flip-flop" politics aimed fairly equally at each candidate for President of the United States - well, it's getting old, literally.

Umm it is an election year sir, yes it is old over 300 yrs old.lol

I challenge you to find anything in my post I have said about Romney or Obama that is not true. You might find a wrong but I doubt it. If I say someone is lying I can usually back it up more than once, because I check myself, and my post for truth before I post them. I am not the Romney campaign that reads information and statistics off speeches without checking them. That is no lie sir.

If you wish more people to read your post I would shorten it up sir, there is not enough time in the day for this.lol

Alan NJ

First, thank you for your response.

No numbers, but at least a framework.

Second, when stimulus was proposed growth rate # for 3rd quarter was -5% and 4th quarter # came in end of Jan at -3.5%. The unemployment projection figure you cite of under 8% was based on these latest figures.

However, in Summer of 2009, BLS released revised numbers. Check it out. You do good research. These revise numbers were -7.5% for 3rd quarter 2008 and -8.5% for 4th quarter 2008. In other words, the economy was shrinking at more than double the rate than the experts knew when the stimulus passed.

It takes awhile for accurate numbers to be gathered in a time of dramatic economic change. Some say they used to do a better job at this before budget cuts reduced their effectiveness. Perhaps, you'd like to look into this as well. I know you are a smart guy and you do good research from what I've seen.

Thanks for your reply.

"Calling your opponent a "bullsh##er" shows a definite lack of character and control"

Hey Ben -- you remind me of that kid in the 5th grade -- the one nobody liked and for good reason -- the one who ran inside during recess and whined -- teacher, teacher -- Billy said a bad word. The one lacking is character Mitt Romney. He lies constantly, has no spine, no backbone, no core and will take any position any issue just to gain a vote.

Well, I received this junk email today.....sounds like the Democrats know they are losing and getting desperate

This is disturbing:

Republicans and their Super PAC allies have outspent Democrats by $131.6 million, and they’ve got $169 million in the bank to drop the hammer with before the election.

All the polls show this race is tied – but Democrats have got to close the spending gap if they’re going to get their message out in the final days of this election.

The DCCC needs to raise $300,000 before tonight’s ad buy deadline to respond to the Republicans’ dishonest attacks and get the facts out to voters. They could really use your help.

Will you chip in before tonight’s ad buy deadline? Donate $3 or whatever you can right now to the DCCC Rapid Response Fund.

There’s 11 days left. What you do today could determine the outcome of the election.

So stand up and fight back:

Now let’s go win this thing!

Paul

<*><*> East Coast [and the rest of the nation] warned to be wary of unpredictable Hurricane ROMNEY! <*><*>

Obama/Biden 2012 - Democrats All The Way!

Jack in Portsmouth

Romney is not for removing food stamps assistance or undermining unemployment, he is for getting people jobs so they don't need these programs

Right. A statement from a real genius. Under Romney unemployment will drop to 0% and everyone will make a living wage and no one will need Food Stamps. Only someone who believes in fairy tales would insinuate such a thing. Only someone who has never known an individual or family who has genuinely needed this kind of assistance for a period of time after an illness or loss of a job would believe this. Logic Required--you really do require a healthy dose of logic.

Sounds like you do too Jack…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LWlkXRZ3CA

If the right wing isn't racist, then how come they ran Herman Cain out of town nearly 5 months before they ran Newt Gingrich out of town? They were basically guilty of immorality in relationships and proclivities, yet it was easier to forgive the big fat white guy. And the foreign policy debate? Mitt flat out endorsed the president. "Everything he said, but from a white guy" was Mitt's strategy. And we're supposedly leaders as the most powerful country in the world?! How embarrassing!

The illumination of the GOP brought to you by their very own "Weapons of Mass Frustration":

Lyin' Ryan - "Rape is only a method of conception."

"Soup Kitchen" Ryan

Jack Welch - "Those Chicago guys..."

Allen West - Communist's!

Paul Ryan and Todd Akin- Legitimate Rape

Richard Mourdock - "Rape is God's will"

Big Bird Mitt

Rick Santelli - the Teabag wizard

Paul Broun - "Evolution is a lie from the pit of he!!"

the donald - the GOP "kindly" told him to STFU. Humpty-Trump had to "Fire Himself."

Sarah Palin - Nuff said

"Binders Full of Women" Mitt

Steve King - Gloats about his bill to "allow animal torture"

Willard Romney - The 47% of Americans feel they are entitled

Rush Limbaugh / Sean Hannity - Everything that spews from their mouths

Flip-Flop Mitt

Freeport, Illinois better known as "BAINPort" Illinois to the people losing their jobs to China

@Coral - I was not typing a response to you - or accusing you of anything?!

Yes, short, flip uneducated opinions get a lot of votes, as does name calling.

I realize as a nation the US has ADHD - I guess I'm writing for people who read the news and don't just hear it from 30 second sound bites.

Meanwhile NBC buries the Benghazi emails story. Obama and his Cabinet said, "We have no information to suggest it was a pre-planned attack." These emails prove otherwise - (They keep stripping the URL - remove the spaces) nbcnews.com /id /49528091

NBC you're a disgrace to real reporting. If this had been a republican president you'd be hammering this down our throats. Come on show some gumption.

You're so willing to jump on a any indication of Romney 'lying', but when the President and his cabinet do it. You BURY it. Seriously Shameful.

Wheres the article talking about how they had LIVE FEED of the attack while it was happening? Where's the article about the CIA requesting to help 3 times and being told to stand down? They watched our citizens being murdered and didn't lift a finger. This should be front page news!! Seriously Shameful. Boo NBC!

Right. A statement from a real genius. Under Romney unemployment will drop to 0% and everyone will make a living wage and no one will need Food Stamps. Only someone who believes in fairy tales would insinuate such a thing. Only someone who has never known an individual or family who has genuinely needed this kind of assistance for a period of time after an illness or loss of a job would believe this. Logic Required--you really do require a healthy dose of logic.

@ Jack,

You are havng a tough time with reality and have now began putting words in my mouth since you have no case. The PROGRAMS you list (Food Stamps & Unemployment) will still be available under Romney, they will still be used under Romney, he has never said he wants to eliminate these programs! Under Obama's bad policies these programs have been growing, with record numbers of Americans needing them because Obama and the democrats have FAILED to create jobs, and have FAILED when it comes to wages and costs as well. Romney will work to improve the economy so that less (NOT ZERO) people need them. The Republican goal is to create an economy that allows people to work and supply for their own needs, the Democrat goal seems to be destroy the economy, get as many people on government programs as possible so you can scare them to vote for you or lose their hand outs. I don't for one minute think you didn't understand this, but again since you have no case you resorted to attacking a stawman instead.

Fascinating article on Myth Rmoney by the Boston Globe that needs redistribution....titled Ambitious Goals; Shifting Stances. Show's exactly what we don't want in the Oval Office in 2012.

Obama/Biden 2012

Clinton/????? 2016

If the right wing isn't racist, then how come they ran Herman Cain out of town nearly 5 months before they ran Newt Gingrich out of town?

You mean the black Herman Cain they were supporting before the media began attacking him for having affairs? I remember those vines and it was democrats pushing Herman Cain out of the race with yet another "hi-tech lynching" as Clarence Thomas once said.

They were basically guilty of immorality in relationships and proclivities, yet it was easier to forgive the big fat white guy.

Newts problems were outed years earlier and was a different set of circumstance. Besides many Conservatives (like Ann Coulter) were against Newt for those reasons.

And the foreign policy debate? Mitt flat out endorsed the president. "Everything he said, but from a white guy" was Mitt's strategy. And we're supposedly leaders as the most powerful country in the world?! How embarrassing!

Barack Obama has continued many of Bush's foreign policies which is why Romney didn't disagree with many of them. Drone attacks, Guantanamo, Surge in Afganistan, ect... They didn't agree on everything, which I'm sure you know but you push this talking point anyway. Maybe you should ask Obama why he is so in line with Republican foreign policy stances instead of asking Romney why he supports Obama who has continued Bush's policies?

Logic Required,

You are havng a tough time with reality and have now began putting words in my mouth

Am I putting words in your mouth here?

the Democrat goal seems to be destroy the economy, get as many people on government programs as possible so you can scare them to vote for you or lose their hand outs.

This is pure stupidity--or ignorance--or both. There is not a liberal poster on this site who would agree this is the "Democrat goal". Your remark ties in with the video FedupwithFed posted. His logic apparently goes like this:

A. The woman in the video touts the best place to obtain federal/state assistance.

B. She receives federal/state assistance.

C. Therefore everyone who receives federal/state assistance is like her.

Anyone who knows anything about logic knows it's a false argument.

There are freeloaders in every society. Don't condemn everyone for the actions of a few.

The personal trait that seems to unite the Right is cynicism. And Me Me Me-ism.

Fascinating article on Myth Rmoney by the Boston Globe that needs redistribution....titled Ambitious Goals; Shifting Stances. Show's exactly what we don't want in the Oval Office in 2012.

I'll start reading articles from the liberal Boston Globe when you start reading articles from Drudge Report, & Breitbart.com.

Logic --- let me correct this sentence you wrote:

with record numbers of Americans needing them because

Republicans MESSED UP this country so bad, millions of people were harmed economically and forced to take a hand up, to temporarily help them get through that VERY difficult time.

@ 1.169 Magic Tonic Kills Brain Cells

I don't know who, if any, are being paid to be on here, but I do agree that there is a tremendous amount of them on here lately, and like today, during the week, when most people are working, so you may be correct. Some seem to know each other personally but it may be that they're paid bloggers or it may be just from being on the blogs for quite a while, pre-election.

The readers of these comments should take the time to fact check to see what is, or isn't true, so they can wisely decide who they want to vote for as everything on here is not reliable, but a lot of it is.

I think by now most everyone has made of their minds.

Obama/Biden 2012 - Democrat All The Way!

CrossRoads GPS is a SuperPac operated by Karl Rove.

To date 90% of the money received through that SuperPac has come from 16 donors, of course they shall remain nameless because they do not have to disclose who they are, thanks the neocon Supreme Court that believes "Corporations are people, my friend.

Am I putting words in your mouth here?

You put words in my mouth when you stated, "Under Romney unemployment will drop to 0% and everyone will make a living wage and no one will need Food Stamps. Only someone who believes in fairy tales would insinuate such a thing." I never said or insinuated anything of the sort, I said Romney wanted to create jobs so people would not need them, BUT THAT "Romney is not for removing food stamps assistance or undermining unemployment", which insinuates he is for keeping these programs as is.

the Democrat goal seems to be destroy the economy, get as many people on government programs as possible so you can scare them to vote for you or lose their hand outs.

This is pure stupidity--or ignorance--or both. There is not a liberal poster on this site who would agree this is the "Democrat goal". Your remark ties in with the video FedupwithFed posted. His logic apparently goes like this:

I agree that no liberal would agree that this is the Democrat goal, but the FACT more Americans are now having to use these programs under Obama and that you are telling people Romney wants to eliminate these programs when he has never said anything even close to that makes me wonder if what you say and what you do line up. Stop lying to people about Romney cutting programs he has never talked about cutting, and I will stop believing that you are using these programs to scare people into voting for your party.

LogicReguired

Liberals were accusing him of paying no taxes or even worse cheating on his taxes. What he released showed he has paid taxes every year.

for a well educated man, Romney has alsways failed to use FEDERAL INCOME when refering to paying taxes. Does he fail to understand the difference or is he doing that on purpose? Both Mitt and Ann Romney have never said "we've paid federal income tax every year." Why is he avoiding saying that like a VD?

The one year he didn't claim his full charitable givings so his rate was over 10%, had he claimed them all he still would of paid taxes but his rate might have fell under 10%.

so you are admitting that Romney sterilized his tax rate so that he wouldn't look like he pays less than than most Middle Class families. Thanks for clarifying something we already knew.

Tell me, why was it ok for Romney to demand that Kennedy realeses his taxes saying that the public has the right to know? Why doesn't Romney play by his own rules?

Alan NJ

More feedback for you.

Job losses in Jan, Feb, Mar, April 2009 were about 800,000, 750,000, 725,000, and 750,000 respectively.

Our economy shrunk at -8.5% in 4th quarter 2008. If this rate of decline had continued for a year, we would have lost an additional 7 million jobs above the 5 million we lost in 2009. Job losses generally lag behind growth numbers as business and consumers react to bad economic news that covers previous period of time.

Thus, to spread infrastructure spending over a 4 year period (while a good idea for long term growth), would in the short run not have halted the recession, but only slowed its rate of decline.

Most opponents of stimulus spending ignore the consequences of not doing stimulus spending. Hoover did some stimulus spending, but the effect of it was cancelled out by cuts in state and local spending. The net effect was no stimulus in the early years of the Great Depression. Unemployment rate of 25% resulted from essentially no stimulus spending by all of our governments. This was the last time we ever dealt with a recession by not doing major stimulus spending.

As I have more time, I will review other points of your plan. It is complicated, but important to do so.

Logic --- let me correct this sentence you wrote:

with record numbers of Americans needing them because

Republicans MESSED UP this country so bad, millions of people were harmed economically and forced to take a hand up, to temporarily help them get through that VERY difficult time.

They messed it up how? The housing bubble caused by The Community Reinvestment Act, written and passed by Democrats? Maybe it was the unregulated Freddie and Fannie that Democrats said were solid that Republicans tried to regulate that made the difference? Maybe it was the two years Democrats controlled the House and Senate before the downturn that made the difference. You silly liberals always say it was Republican policies but you can never explain how Tax cuts passed in 2003 caused a housing bubble burst in 2009. Another silly talking point that no one buys. You can you tube Barnie Franks and Maxine Waters and get hundreds of hits with them pushing the buttons that caused this crisis.

LogicReguired

I remember those vines and it was democrats pushing Herman Cain out of the race with yet another "hi-tech lynching" as Clarence Thomas once said

Herman Cain lost to Santorum and Romney. And Herman Cain lost because the more he spoke, the more he sounded incompetent. Don't blame it on the media, blame Herman Cain for losing the Tea Party support.

Logic,

the FACT more Americans are now having to use these programs under Obama

See, if you possessed even the slightest bit of logic you would know why this came about. (Hint: It didn't occur because it is Obama's "goal".)

Mitt Romney don't have a clue what it takes to be president, he's is going to destroy everything Obama has worked hard to get and the middle class will suffer the most and why is it racist for black to vote black, when white vote white it's okay but why do you hate us for supporting our President and republican always using the race card when they are trying to win, but if we try to win using the race card its wrong, why is it so wrong to support Mr. Obama when you are supporting Mr. Romney are you really that hateful and mean, i feel sorry for those that are voting for Romney especially if you don't make over 250 thousand you're wasting your vote he doesn't care about you, just like he don't care about me we are the 47% he's talking about wether you're black, mexican, latino and white we are all in the same boat and when the boat sinks you're be there with me and color won't matter Romeny only support the rich in the end! Obama/Biden 2012!

Tell me, why was it ok for Romney to demand that Kennedy realeses his taxes saying that the public has the right to know? Why doesn't Romney play by his own rules?

This silly little tax return attack is old and tired and has not changed a single mind in the country, so you'll have to excuse me but I'm bored with it. We can do the release your tax returns, release your college records, release your college application game for days but it is all nonsense and not worth any more of my time. Bottom line is Romney BROKE NO LAWS, has paid taxes, and has also been very charitible with his money(much more then Obama or Biden). If you think you are going to change someones mind by saying a man who has given tens of millions of dollars to charities and broke no laws needs to release more tax return info - well good luck with that!

LogicReguired

They messed it up how? The housing bubble caused by The Community Reinvestment Act, written and passed by Democrats?

please point out in the bill where is shows that banks were forced to give out loans to people who did not qualify incomewise.

What you are stating is not only false, it's total nonsense.

But let's pretend your "logic" is logical, why are you for the gus who say that ON DAY 1 he will deregulate deregulate deregulate???????????????????????

LogicReguired

This silly little tax return attack is old and tired and has not changed a single mind in the country, so you'll have to excuse me but I'm bored with it.

bored or simply unable to explain Romney's hypocrisy?

Ben 636050 I hope you are one of those making over 250,000 salary, if not you better join the rest of us Romney don't like you, I really liked Backhouse and Dave 537731 comments they are men with intelligent and knows right from wrong unlike you, everything you say is negative toward the president and you sound like a little child that can't have its way, go grow up and get a life you sound like a complainer! Obama/Biden 2012!

please point out in the bill where is shows that banks were forced to give out loans to people who did not qualify incomewise.

Well they weren't forced but they were pushed, and pressured.

The Act mandates that all banking institutions that receive Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) insurance be evaluated by Federal banking agencies to determine if the bank offers credit (in a manner consistent with safe and sound operation as per Section 802(b) and Section 804(1)) in all communities in which they are chartered to do business.^[3] The law does not list specific criteria for evaluating the performance of financial institutions. Rather, it directs that the evaluation process should accommodate the situation and context of each individual institution.

Sounds good but you had politicians pushing them to do more..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPSDnGMzIdo - Skip to minute 1:40

Banks didn't care about making high risk loans because they had insurance and guarantees through Freddie and Fannie, government backed institutions, so they thought their risks were limited.

But let's pretend your "logic" is logical, why are you for the gus who say that ON DAY 1 he will deregulate deregulate deregulate???????????????????????

Regulations are like everything else in the world, some are good, some are stupid, and there is such thing as too much. I trust Romney more then Obama to make those calls.

Romney/Ryan 2012: No more name calling, silly one liners, days seeing a President on The Views couch, a national economic policy headed in the right direction, two parties working together, a leader that exhibits leadership traits, and finally a country that is "Proud to be an American," again.

"United" we must stand!

bored or simply unable to explain Romney's hypocrisy?

1.) There was more to my post.

2.) A politican that is quilty of hypocrisy!!!! I've never heard of such a thing! (Sarcasm Alert) LOL

3.) Like I said before, he has released some tax information for the last decade that showed taxes paid, no broken laws, What else do you want? Get over it all ready.

Logic -- Your arguments are always concentric, in nature. Here's the deal though. Republicans had control of ALL THREE branches for 4 and a half years. THEY DID NOTHING to stop the housing bubble. WALL STREET, predator LENDERS, BANKS etc. share much of the blame for that financial meltdown. That's the truth.

I noticed you didn't even MENTION any of those institutions. NOPE. Here's a thought I'll leave you with:

Just because alcohol is legal it doesn't give me a right to go out, drink and drive and possibly harm someone. Wall Street, banks, and lenders got GREEDY and HARMED our entire country. Sickening, isn't it?

@Tired in Ohio who wrote:

CNN: Not Only Is Obama's Plan Old But It Doesn't Add Up

I admit I didn't watch the entire "news" piece, but I heard it would be sent to voters in Swing States - I'll most likely get one as I am a voter but my label is "unaffiliated or independent" not Rep. or Dem.

The only thing I want to mention is that Pres. Obama's mailing is something that people have to READ. He at least gives registered voters some credit that they will take some personal time and read his proposal.

The other day I received a DVD from DFMRF, LLC - its title "Dreams from My Real Father - A Story of Reds and Deception." Apparently you can buy it on Amazon - however, those of us in swing states, who are "unaffiliated or independent" voters all got a copy - 1.83 million in OHIO alone, the most mailed to any state...

The DVD jacket - claims that Frank Marshall Davis is Pres. Obama's "real father" and "a Communist Party USA propagandist who likely shaped Obama's world view during his formative years." [...] "Was the goat herding Kenyan father only a fairly tale to obscure a Marxist agenda, irreconcilable with American values?"

So - the Romney camp is mailing out millions of these DVD's just before the election - Romney is not mentioned anywhere on the mailing BUT it's obvious, not only because of who the targeted swing state voters who receive this are (the "undecided") but also it's the Romney mantra taken a step further from calling Pres. Obama a Socialist to now a Communist.... I haven't watched it but as I have a knee surgery planned, perhaps I will for fun....

MY point being - that Romney can't put his name on something (flip flop king) & Romney's camp apparently feels that Americans need to be herded through their television set.... they are too stupid to read...personally, I like to see things in print, it's easier to research the points asserted rather than keeping a notepad, pen and remote in stop and start mode to check facts when the 95 minute video is over.

If anyone has watched his video - do tell, I seriously doubt I'll have the patience too (I can't sit still for 95 minutes of BS - I could if I could argue with the TV and it could make sentient arguments back, but we all know that is fairy tale land).

LogicReguired

The Act mandates that all banking institutions that receive Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) insurance be evaluated by Federal banking agencies to determine if the bank offers credit (in a manner consistent with safe and sound operation as per Section 802(b) and Section 804(1)) in all communities in which they are chartered to do business.^[3] The law does not list specific criteria for evaluating the performance of financial institutions. Rather, it directs that the evaluation process should accommodate the situation and context of each individual institution.

so where is it????? where does it state that banks HAVE to give their money UNWILLINGLY to those without sufficient income? I'm being redundant on purpose because you keep missing the point!

LogicReguired

1.) There was more to my post.

which failed to answer why Romney doesn't live up to his own DEMANDS from others? Why doesn't Romney play by HIS OWN rules?

2.) A politican that is quilty of hypocrisy!!!! I've never heard of such a thing! (Sarcasm Alert) LOL

Romney is a textbook hypocrite. It doesn't get worse than Romney.

3.) Like I said before, he has released some tax information for the last decade that showed taxes paid, no broken laws, What else do you want? Get over it all ready.

prove it. You know as much about Romney's tax returns as I do so YOU KNOW NOTHING. Stop stating something as a fact. Prove to me that Romney broke no laws. Or just prove to me that he didn't take advantage of the tax amnesty.

Do you know why I care about Romney's tax returns? He claims that rich are overtaxed and that is why he wants to cut taxes for them. He needs to prove it. With his own tax returns, he needs to show how overtaxed he really is. But Romney is so "overtaxed" that even YOU admit that he fix his rate to look like he pays more than he really does. HYPOCRITE.

Logic required

You pick one small part of cause of financial crisis. You ignore all those fraudulent mortgage application banks approved. You ignore all those fraudulent mortgage securities, hedge funds and banks created and sold to investors around the world. You ignore that 1/3rd of 2 million homes built in 2007 were sold to speculators and to others who already owned a home. You ignore the huge flows of excess investment money that flowed into our housing market. You ignore that our government regulators allowed people to purchase balloon mortgages that they could not afford. You ignore that the rich gave consumers loans rather than a higher wage. You ignore that the Fed continued with an economic expansion policy in order to prove that trickle down economics' tax cuts could actually produce enough revenue growth to offset the lost revenues of the tax cuts. You ignore that Bush ran up budget deficits even as our country was experiencing decent growth. You ignore that entrepeneurs sought to increase their profits by exporting jobs even though this weakened the consumer market for their goods in America. You ignore that banks made record profits in lending to Americans and speculating on mortgage securities, credit default swap, and other derivatives without properly assessing the risk. You ignore that allowing fuel mileage standards to lapse made our economy more vulnerable to gas price spikes on the world market.

You ignore so many causes of our near financial collapse.

@Alan NJ who answered this question:

Where on EARTH did you ever get the idea that a tie would make Romney President and Biden Vice President?

Alan's response:

Because in the event of a tie the new House of Representatives elect the President, one vote per state delegation and it is still likely the Republicans will have a majority of the state delegations.

The Senate elects the Vice-President and it is possible the new Senate will still have a majority of Democrats.

Your premise is 100% correct IF neither candidate reaches the 270 needed Electoral College votes to win the Presidency, but there are two possibilities depending on the type of "tie."

There is "wiggle room" if you will - if the candidates tie in the Electoral College on Election night at 269-269...it doesn't necessarily mean there is a tie. The Electoral College doesn't cast votes until the 2nd Wednesday in December. Some states say that their EC votes must go with popular winner, half the states have no such law. It is possible that a single Electoral can change their vote to the other party & therefore change the election (giving a candidate the required 270 win - no House or Senate involved).

Link: http://www.270towin.com/blog/electoral-college/what-happens-if-there-is-a-tie-in-the-electoral-college

As our site URL says, it takes “270 to Win”. If neither candidate gets a majority of the Electoral Votes, the election for President is decided in the House of Representatives, with each state delegation having one vote. Senators would elect the Vice-President.

It is important to note that an apparent tie on election night does not mean that there is actually a tie.The actual Electors meet on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December (December 17, 2012 15, 2008 ) to cast their votes.Only about half the states have laws requiring their Electors to vote for the popular vote winner.It is possible that an Elector could cast his or her vote for another person.As long as that vote wasn’t for the other major candidate in the race, this wouldn’t be an issue — neither candidate would have 270.However, imagine a scenario where a single Elector in a single state switched their vote to the other party — the vote would be 270 -268.While very unlikely, it has happened before (most recently in 1968, although the election that year wasn’t close).If you thought the 2000 election was controversial, this outcome just might bring the Electoral College system to its knees.

shaak322

Logic required

You pick one small part of cause of financial crisis. You ignore all those fraudulent mortgage application banks approved.

logic is busy right now looking for his imaginary proof that poor banks were forced to give out mortgages by EVIL Democrats...

I love when righties blame the Dems for the financial crisis because of deregulation while bitching about President OBama for imposing regulations on banks so they don't continue down that path again. Hypocrisy in its purest form.

I just have two questions Mr. President. One, if your wife were the one in the compound in Libya during the attack, would you have still refused to send in military help when you were called in the Situation room and would you have still ordered the troops on the ground to stand down? And two, why don't you do something honorable for once in your life and step down as President? Our brave Americans serving their country deserve much better!

LogicRequired,

Unlike the Drudge Report & Breitbart.com, reading the Boston Globe requires one to have logic! Pun intended!

You see, the Drudge Report and Breitbart.com play to Republicans fears (often producing and providing false information on scandals etc.), and true enough, cynical people like you really believe in the garbage spin that's produced. There isn't one Republican leaning commentators, news contributor, donor, surrogate, or poster on this site that can talk about Obama without referring to his race, place of birth, academics, that he's a socialist, a communist, or one of those "Chicago Guys" etc. Republicans wonder why we bash and lash out at Romney in such an aggressive manner, because people like you can't stop lying, hating and deceiving the undecided voter about your candidate's agenda or party's referendum. That is why I left the Republican Party. That's why Colin Powel endorsed Obama. That is one reason, amongst many, that I'll vote Obama again in 2012.

@black kettle;

I did not think you were posting directly to me, but talking about all on the vine in general. My point was to show you not to generalize about others because you are wrong to do so.

Yes, short, flip uneducated opinions get a lot of votes, as does name calling.

I realize as a nation the US has ADHD

So in the same breath you demonize others for name calling and being uneducated ,you insult the whole nation as not being able to pay attention? lol You also insult those that truly have ADHD.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.lol OH,wait a minute this would be the black kettle calling the pot black.lol face palm,shakes head.

Concerned America

A security team was sent to Benghazi form Tripoli. According to 9-12-12 Reuters report:

Eventually, some three dozen Americans drove off to a safe house, knowing one diplomat was dead and Ambassador Christopher Stevens missing. When an eight-man rescue team flew in from Tripoli, they and their Libyan escorts were pinned down with the survivors by another attack in which two more Americans died.

Sometimes, after $300 million in security cuts, you do not have the resources to do the job. His wife would not have gotten any more help than this 8 man team that was in the area.

Where do you get your information? Do you just make it up?

soundbite,

Right there with you. I already voted for Obama but I laughed when I heard he called Romney that. Anyone running against Romney would be driven to use that word if Romney displayed the same level of Alzheimer's and claimed that he did not have certain past positions, that he never said some things, that he was always this or that, or in some other way trying to worm out of his past commitments and statements.

Republicans are in for a rude awakening if mitt wins because the first day in office he is going to change his ind again, keep parts of Obamacare and raise taxes on everyone. Even Saint Regan raised taxes seven times are running on a campaign stating he would not raise them and Romney has no where near the street cred. that Regan had.

concernedamerica,

What you've just presented to the American people is a no win scenario for the President:

1. If Obama doesn't send troops in to Libya, people get killed and Obama is suddenly a failure as Commander in Chief.

2. If Obama sends troops in without notifying Congressional and receiving approval, he's in violation of the War Powers Act.

So, what the hell do you people want or expect...because all Republicans have been able to prove is that you are capable of moving the target...never reachable!

Coral, really? Way to take my words out of context to suit yourself. This is how you responded to my first post:

Umm it is an election year sir, yes it is old over 300 yrs old.lol

I challenge you to find anything in my post I have said about Romney or Obama that is not true. You might find a wrong but I doubt it. If I say someone is lying I can usually back it up more than once, because I check myself, and my post for truth before I post them. I am not the Romney campaign that reads information and statistics off speeches without checking them. That is no lie sir.

If you wish more people to read your post I would shorten it up sir, there is not enough time in the day for this.lol

Everything beyond that was you berating me - and my response is directly to you, not a general post.

First, the US is less than 300 years old.

Next you DID think I was talking to you when you said "I challenge you to find anything in my post I have said about Romney or Obama that is not true."

I started my post, completely unrelated to you, only noticing the bickering between posters...I addressed that with the first sentence and with that sentence also added that the bickering is as old as the US Presidential election (i.e. the use of "literally").

For some reason, you chose to write back to me that you always check your facts when posting....OK, that's great, but that has no bearing on my second sentence which - put simply - states that no one is perfect, no one can state that they have NEVER IN THEIR LIFE LIED (white lies included) OR CHANGED AN OPINION they held. Yes, I included persons from birth to the time of their death but you managed to twist that into something about YOU alone - you failed to realize that I included myself as someone who has lied at some point in my life and someone who has evolved and changed my opinion on a subject, by saying "that not one of us NV posters..." (that includes me).

This back and forth bickering over "lies" and "flip-flop" politics aimed fairly equally at each candidate for President of the United States - well, it's getting old, literally.

First, I dare say that not one of us NV posters could truthfully say, "I have never lied in my entire life." Moving on, I also say that not one of us NV posters could ever truthfully say, "I have never changed my mind about an opinion I had."

Then you attack my post for it's length with this comment:

"If you wish more people to read your post I would shorten it up sir, there is not enough time in the day for this.lol"

I am not in control over who reads or doesn't read what I post, if someone doesn't read it because it is long, that is their choice. Apparently its length made you lol. To each his own.

Then you decide to split a sentence of mine to make me look bad and then berate it:

I said:

I realize as a nation the US has ADHD - I guess I'm writing for people who read the news and don't just hear it from 30 second sound bites.

First - I did not "demonize" opinions, but at least if I make a statement, I can give a link - wild accusations about candidates with no link showing that it could be true - that is uneducated writing. Yes, I do find name calling - no matter the side, unproductive. Name calling simply implies the lack of sentient conversation or opinion.

I insulted the entire nation? No, only those who can't think for themselves and need to be given glib sound bites, the opposite of European style news (they stay on the same story (whatever it may be) for 30 minutes - that gives a bit more insight into the topic at hand. I said I was writing for people who could handle more than a sentence - no one has to read what I say, they can just skip over it. Actually, I said the nation had ADHD - it's a generalization that has been made many times, not an insult (and again, I can be included in that generalization). For those who suffer from ADHD - they can stay focused when the subject interests them - some of our best scientists have ADHD, they are excellent at what they like - they are bored with the mundane, as am I.

I apologize to anyone reading this reply to Coral Taxi as it is completely "off-topic" - as was Coral's 1st & 2nd unprovoked attack of the day - and the strangest thing, I believe we will be voting for the same person, so there was no need for this vendetta about my "lol" long post.

Coral - just add me to your "ignored" poster list...then we won't be wasting other people's time with your attacks and my rebuttals.

@black kettlle

everything beyond that was you berating me - and my response is directly to you, not a general post.

Show me where I berated you, I berate noone.

You were genralizing about people on this vine, which would include me. You just got caught doing the same thing you were blaming others for,just accept it,this is why I called you out. You did not have to go these lengths sir,lol did you not notice the LOL after my statements, this would mean I am not that serious about it.

I put noone on ignore. I respect all opinions unlike you sir.

@ black kettle;

Since they were the second major wave of English settlement on the North American mainland (after Jamestown), Puritans tend to be described and analyzed through the lens of hindsight. That is, historians and others have frequently cited aspects of their society such as government-by-consent, the value of individual judgment, the importance of education, decentralized church structure, and the establishment of the town settlement system as seed beds for the birth of democracy

Jamsetown,1607, I never said how old the U.S was, but if you wish to get technical it is over 400 yrs old,my point was that political debates and spirited arguments over politics have been giong on for hundreds of year on this continent, is that better sir.lolYOu need to take a chill pill will.

Umm it is an election year sir, yes it is old over 300 yrs old.lol

Arguing politics sir not the U.S, you see even in Jamestown they were hashing it out against the motherland sir.

We are on the same side, I did not "attack" you sir. Just called you out on your hypocrisy, and I even made a joke at the end. This vine is about dead we are not bothering anyone.

@Double Jeopardy - you are correct in your response to concernedamerican - it IS a "no win scenario" for the President.

There are many news reports about the attack on the Consulate of Libya which resulted in the deaths of four Americans.

@concernedamerican - the death of anyone at the Libyan Consulate was/is tragic, however, it was not the fault of the "Commander in Chief."

The revelations came a day after it emerged that U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens repeatedly pleaded with the State Department to ramp up his security team in Libya -- requests that the Pentagon ultimately denied -- in the weeks, days and hours leading up to the terrorist attack that killed him and three other Americans, newly released cables have revealed.

Stevens, who was killed in the 11 September attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, warned the State Department of a 'security vacuum' in Libya 'that is being exploited by independent actors' in one cable that described rapidly deteriorating security conditions. [...]

The cables were released by Republican Rep. Darrell Issa of California, the chairman of the U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, which is investigating the security matters surrounding Stevens' death and questioning whether the State Department could have prevented the deadly attack.

Less than three weeks ahead of the presidential election, Republicans are using the cables to attack President Obama on his foreign policy, despite the State Department's claim that it was solely responsible for the decisions to deny Stevens' requests for more security in Libya.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220153/Christopher-Stevens-Ambassador-pleaded-extra-security-Libya-hours-killed.html

I hear your anger concernedamerican but I believe that Double Jeopardy (and myself) is also angry at the deaths that occurred - but blame must be placed in the correct place. The President (no matter who) cannot micro manage EVERYTHING - guarding the U.S. Consulates and Embassies is the job of the State Department. Hillary Clinton is in charge of the State Department as she is the U.S. Secretary of State. She has admitted that there should have been more security at the Libyan Consulate: http://www.npr.org/2012/10/16/162986917/clinton-im-responsible-for-consulate-security

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton is answering Republican criticism of the Obama administration's handling of last month's attack at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, saying she — not the White House — is responsible for security at all of America's diplomatic missions.

"I take responsibility," Clinton told CNN from Lima, Peru. "I'm in charge of the State Department's 60,000-plus people all over the world (at) 275 posts."

Of course, she does have to take responsibility but it is not her responsibility alone: The State Department works with the Pentagon. It's true that Ambassador Stevens asked for more security - something the Pentagon denied the State Department - yet the Pentagon also says the State Department must make security requests - either way, the consulate in Libya was not well guarded.

The State Department is weighing whether it needs more Marine embassy security guards to staff U.S. diplomatic facilities across the globe.

The review follows September’s deadly attack on a U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, and revelations there was no Marine Corps presence at the compound — or anywhere else in the country — when heavily armed attackers laid waste to the facility, killing U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans. That fact, along with several other details that have emerged in the attack’s aftermath, have been fiercely debated in the weeks since, taking center stage during the presidential race and prompting two influential members of Congress to question the Pentagon as to why no Marines were in Libya. [...]Marine Security Guard detachments are deployed based on requests made by the State Department. Hoping to understand where the breakdown occurred that allowed for the Benghazi attack to happen, Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Rob Portman, R-Ohio, wrote to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta in early October, asking him to review whether the State Department had ever requested a Marine detachment to assist with security in Libya and, if so, what the planned timeline was for fielding it.

This is interesting:

The Embassy Security Group, which is based at Marine Corps Base Quantico in northern Virginia, is expected to add detachments over the next five to 10 years, said Capt. Greg Wolf, a Marine spokesman at the Pentagon. However, he emphasized that this growth effort has been in place since 2004 — and that it’s not a knee-jerk response to recent events.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2012/10/marine-corps-state-department-assess-embassy-guards-benghazi-libya-102412/

The Pentagon and the State Department let down the consulate in Libya .... if people need to be fired, they need to be in those places, it is their job to keep overseas Americans protected.

Waiting for MSN to post the story about Joe, Barry and Hillary at Navy Seal Wood's memorial

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/joe-biden-to-father-of-former-navy-seal-killed-in-benghazi-did-your-son-always-have-balls-the-size-of-cue-balls/

Joe Biden to Father of Former Navy SEAL Killed in Benghazi: ‘Did Your Son Always Have Balls the Size of Cue Balls?’

Since they wont post it....I WILL!!

DISGUSTING!!!

Hey Barry........the SEALS took down Bin Laden.....is THIS how you repay them????????????

Bill, Fairfax

@tim numbers -- no distortion, just straight fact

That was my point, Bill. You didn't provide all of the facts about the CBO report, resulting in your conclusions as presented being a distortion of the complete story because it's misleading.

What you said about the tax rates of the rich depends on how you define 'rich' - which according to your interpretation of the CBO report means everyone making over $88k. Nobody defines the 'rich' as such. Nobody.

That's ridiculous at best, and disingenuous at least.

Here are a few things to remember when you vote this week.

16 TRILLION in debt, and going up.

Government spending $1.40 for every $1. that comes in via taxes (Credit card from the bank of china)

More people on food stamps, welfare and gov assistance than EVER BEFORE

the most people out of work for the longest sustained period of time since the depression (What’s that three letter word? J O B S )

4 Americans murdered in Libya, and obama knew what was going on and then lied about it.

Boarder patrol agent murdered with gun from failed obama/holder op, fast and furious

535 Million tax payer dollars to Solyandra

Tax payers money to ABC Battery

This is NOT what recovery looks like