The importance of Ohio and Colo., Colo., Colo.

With the touch screen, NBC's Domenico Montanaro goes through the paths to 270 – the importance of Ohio and why Colorado could keep us up at night.

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NOBODY-

Can lose both and still win the EC vote!

Will be sleeping like a baby on election night!

NOBODY 2012

  • 5 votes
#1 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:14 PM EDT

Carry on Myth. This for you

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcbq3v8lj11qz581wo2_500.gif

4 more 4 the "Second Coming" of President Obama on Nov 7th

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 11 votes
#1.1 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:40 PM EDT

So entitlement reform is kinda a biggie for me.

O is now saying his second term agenda is laid out in that glossy twenty page pamphlet that came out this week.

Now of course I have not seen it, so I was hoping one of you fine libbies would help me out:

What does it say O is planning on doing to tackle the exploding entitlement problem?

  • 15 votes
#1.2 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:44 PM EDT

dangerfield - are you even going to vote? Not asking who you'll vote for - just if you'll vote.

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 10 votes
#1.3 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:46 PM EDT

How many different ways can we say that its close and that swing states are important?

  • 9 votes
#1.4 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:48 PM EDT

I have to vote so I can find out who the Republican candidate for Senate is here in New York. I believe that she is in the witness protection program, so It's on a need-to-know basis...The CIA should be able to maintain the kind of secrecy she enjoys.

  • 9 votes
#1.5 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:01 PM EDT

Hey Colorado! A Second Lieutenant in the US Army graduating from college MUST present his college transcripts before he can report for active duty. The most junior commissioned officer must show his college records yet the Commander-in-Chief gets a pass?

Something is wrong here, America! Obama is a fraud - wake up before it's too late!

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012

Even an enlisted Soldier in the US Army, in order to have the additional points awarded to him or her
for promotion must present and provide a copy of their certified college transcript.

  • 14 votes
#1.6 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:04 PM EDT

Hey Colorado!

What Obama has destroyed in the last four years will NOT be called "Obama's Fault" by President Romney.

He will call it "His Responsibility." That's the difference in the two candida

Romney/Ryan 2012

  • 14 votes
#1.7 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:08 PM EDT

So Jody when did President Obama graduate from a military academy? I really don't recall any of our Commanders in Chief providing transcripts for their position. The Constitution demands that the C in C be a civilian so that wouldn't be appropriate. Not only that but many of our Commanders in Chief weren't even in the military.

  • 6 votes
#1.8 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:10 PM EDT

Adler - just more deflection by the radical righties who know they have no viable candidate for President in Romney. It's really pitiable!

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 10 votes
#1.9 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:13 PM EDT

Obama lost the election on Oct. 3rd, at the first debate.

Benghazi has not helped.

Deal with it!

Romney/Ryan 2012

  • 8 votes
#1.10 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:18 PM EDT

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!

  • 8 votes
#1.11 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:48 PM EDT

TO: Jody-1593626 who wrote:

"Obama lost the election on Oct. 3rd, at the first debate..."

So there'll be no need for you or any of the Romney Zombies to to to the polls.

Good.

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 9 votes
#1.12 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:54 PM EDT

Jody: here's a few pieces of information for you:

There is NO requirement of having gone to college in the US Constitution.

President Obama is black. President Obama is a natural born US Citizen.

Get over it.

  • 9 votes
#1.13 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:55 PM EDT

TO: Spanky-who wrote:

"So entitlement reform is kinda a biggie for me..."

Romney said there would be "No Changes", so I guess you didn't believe him either.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 !

  • 8 votes
#1.14 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:58 PM EDT

spanky:

You didn't try very hard to find it - Enjoy!

  • 1 vote
#1.15 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:48 PM EDT

Listen up all you Coloradan's. OBVIOUSLY, since the first day of this administration, honor obviously no longer resides in the republican party (McConnell's agenda of Obama's one term). Not a SHRED of honor has been shown on capitol hill by republicans since! Not ONE 'f' shred.

At the street level, republicans have JUMPED on this UNhonorable wagon of hate, lies, and PHONY political theatrics. NEVER in our history have people been this polarized to this point of SHEER stupidity.

You republicans could not pick a rightous leader, at ANY level of govt, If your LIVES depended on it. Your days of reckoning are coming because REAL TRUE americans are not going to tolerate your phony horse crap ANY longer.

Get a clue republicans. Get a clue.

  • 2 votes
#1.16 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:15 PM EDT

FINALLY - A GREAT LINK TO ROMNEY'S TAX PLAN - SHARE IT WITH ALL THE NAYSAYERS -

People have been begging for this, demanding it, and could not find it for months.

    #1.18 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:16 PM EDT

    Colorado went solid BLUE, even in the midterms.

    • 2 votes
    #1.19 - Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:19 PM EDT

    If anyone in Colorado has figured out yet what Mr. Romney intends to do about education cuts, I would still like to know what the Romney/Ryan plan is concerning college funding and tax credits for parents with kids in college. I have been asking and paying close attention to this and, so far, the information has changed four times.

    Before first debate, they were cutting Pell Grants.

    During first debate, they were not cutting education.

    Before second debate, they were cutting tax deductions for college students.

    Then, in the last debate something sketchy was said about vouchers and people choosing their own tax deductions.

    Huh?

    Why not just be clear about it? These and other issues seem muddy, and some of us would really like to know where the GOP stands.

    President Obama doubled the amount of Pell Grant money for four year college students.

    President Obama allowed a tax deduction every year for parents who had students in college.

    Simple and clear to understand.

    • 2 votes
    #1.20 - Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:01 PM EDT

    Remember these?
    THE OBAMA CHRONICLES:
    “I promise 100% transparency in my administration.”.

    “I promise NO NEW TAXES on a family making less than $250K a year.”.

    “I will allow 5 days of public comment before I sign any bills.”.

    “I will remove earmarks from PORK projects before I sign any bill.”.

    “I will end Income Tax for seniors making less than $50K a year.”.

    "I will bring ALL of our troops home within ONE year."

    “I’ll put the Health Care negotiations on CSPAN so everyone can see who is at the table!”.

    “I’ll have no lobbyists in my administration."

    "I'll close Guantanamo."

    "I'll resign if I don't cut the deficit in half by the end of four years."

    "I'll unite the people of this great country."

    BETTER KNOWN AS LIES.
    Fool me once shame on YOU!
    Fool me twice shame on ME

    originally from GIMMIE

    • 2 votes
    #1.21 - Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:24 AM EDT

    WHY DIDN'T PRESIDENT OBAMA REINSTATE THOSE US LAWS THAT MADE ILLEGAL THE CAUSES OF PREVIOUS DEPRESSIONS. That Resulted in the current $60 Trillion to $100 Trillion Global Economic Crisis consisting of the Mortgage Crisis, Wall Street Crisis, Financial Crisis, Banking Crisis, Credit Crisis, etc.. That he blames on President Bush as "inherited" when Bush did not eliminate those US Laws.

    WHY DID PRESIDENT OBAMA SPEND $2.1 TRILLION THAT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED FOR, REQUIRING THE CURRENT CUTS TO PREVIOUSLY BUDGET PROGRAMS, PROJECTS, AGENCIES, INCLUDING THE ENTITLEMENTS, BENEFITS FOR THE "47%" THAT NEED THESE BENEFITS AND ENTITLEMENTS.

    WHY DID PRESIDENT OBAMA AND SECRETARY OF DEFENSE LEON PENETTA, 2012, STATE, "A 10% Defense Budget Cut will result in a Million (US) Civilians becoming Unemployed". Yet President Obama in his President's Proposal to US Congress demand a Defense Budget Cut of 11%.

    WHAT US LAW DID PRESIDENT OBAMA VIOLATE THAT IS ONLY APPLICABLE TO THE US PRESIDENT. AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE. As an admittance of Guilt SOS Clinton on Behalf of President Obama appologized to US Congress, "I'm sorry".

    WHY DID PRESIDENT OBAMA DEMAND THE OVERTHROW OF A FORMER US ALLY AND SUPPORTED THE FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAMIC JIHADISTS TO OVERTHROW THE FORMER US ALLY. Al Quada Saudi Arabia (AQ), Al Quada Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), Al Quada Syria (AQS), Al Quada Yemen (AQY), Hezbollah, Al Quada Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), etc. that became Ansar Al Sharia to protect and instate Fundamentalist Islamic Shia (Sharia) Law as the Rule of Law for Libya. Now Ansar Al Sharia is attacking the rest of Africa, like Mali, as Egypt was Strategic to attack Libya, Libya is Strategic to attack the rest of Africa.

    The Libyan Islamic Fighting Group was killing US Military at Iraq. The Libyan Islamic Fighting Group due to President Obama is the current Government of Libya.

    WHY IS PRESIDENT OBAMA LYING ABOUT WITHDRAWING FROM IRAQ. WHEN IN FACT THE FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAMIC SHIA REPUBLIC OF IRAN HAD THE US KICKED OUT OF THE ISLAMIC SHIA NATION OF IRAQ. Result now the Chinese and Russian Federation Allies of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran got the Iraqis Oil that could have paid for the US And US Allies Liberation of Iraq with Decades to Centuries of Iraqis Oil. This made Libya's Oil of Strategic Importance to the US Europrean Allies.

    US Ally Saudi Arabia, "President Obama gave Iraq to Iran as a Gift on a Golden Platter".

    WHY IS PRESIDENT OBAMA LYING ABOUT THE US MILITARY WITHDRAWAL FROM IRAQ. Numbers of Actual US Military still at Iraq.

    WHY IS PRESIDENT OBAMA LYING ABOUT THE US INVOLVEMENT AT SYRIA.

    WHY IS PRESIDENT OBAMA TAKING CREDIT FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS PREPLANNED LONG AGO AFTER PRESIDENT BUSH AMMENDED THE US NO ASSASSINATION POLICY, 2006, TO ALLOW THE TERMINATION OF OSAMA BIN LADEN. With the Mission to Locate and Capture Osama Bin Laden already put into motion since 2006. And failing Capture to gain all of Osama Bin Laden's planning and thought processes as imprinted on his Al Quada, to preemptively interdict all Al Quada International Francishes activities Worldwide. Failing Capture of this "High Valued Target" as the Last Resort the Termination of Osama Bin Laden, as a Mission Failure. President Obama just happened to be in Office while the CIA, Special Operations Command, Joint Special Operations Command was doing the above since 2006.

    WHY DID PRESIDENT OBAMA IN HIS 2012 STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS BACKPEDDAL ON HIS APRIL 2009 ORDERED DEFENSE BUDGET CUT OF THE USN (One Aircraft Carrier Strike Group). And why did he tell the US Public a Half Truth (actually a lie) that the USN Enterprise Aircraft Carrier will be decommissioned and scrapped after the current mission, long before the replacement CVN-80 is ready to replace CVN-65, if sea trials are successful 2015.

    WHY DID PRESIDENT OBAMA BACKPEDAL ON HIS OPPOSITION TO THE PRESIDENT BUSH US ABM MISSILES AT EASTERN EUROPE AGAINST THE IRANIAN MISSILE THREAT. President Obama stated there was no Iranian Missile Threat. December 2011 President Obama as Commander In Chief Ordered the deployment of US Military ABM Missile Batteries to Romania.

    WHY IS PRESIDENT OBAMA ELIMINATING US CITIZENS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

    Naomi Wolf: 'Obama can lock any US citizen up without trial'
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLSeD19m3UE&feature=fvst

    Obama Signs NDAA, ACLU Disgusted
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IeuE16LLDY

    Feds' electronic snooping of Americans up sharply, says ACLU
    http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/feds-electronic-snooping-americans-sharply-says-aclu-6170914#

    WHY WAS PRESIDENT OBAMA NEVER CONVICTED FOR VIOLATING THE US LAW, McCain Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act, prior to and during the 2008-2009 Elections. And his Buddy, "Mr. Corporate America" admitted that President Obama did while getting the US Supreme Court to Rule in Favor of the Unlimited Corporate Campaign Contributions before the Citizens United case made it's way thru the US Courts; so that President Obama could get his Unlimited Corporate Campaign Contributions from the Insurance Corporations, Medical Device Corporations, and Pharmasueticals Corporations.

    WHY DID PRESIDENT OBAMA CHOP THE PAYMENTS TO CAREGIVERS TO SENIOR CITIZENS UNDER MEDICARE, AND DECREASE MEDICARE PAYMENTS TO MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS. Instead of what he stated was the REAL Problem with Medicare, during his Face the Nation Interview, that the Insurance Corporations that manage Medicare are overcharging US Taxpayers by 14% to make Profits of $17 Billion to $18 Billion per year.

    WHY DID'NT PRESIDENT OBAMA REVOKE PRESIDENT CLINTON'S MOST FAVORED TRADE NATION STATUS FOR CHINA.

    WHY IS PRESIDENT OBAMA CLAIMING BAILOUT OF AUTOMAKERS, WHEN IN FACT THE TERMS OF THE "LOAN" STATED CLOSURES OF US AND CANADIAN AUTO PLANTS AND FACTORIES TO BECOME "ECONOMICALLY VIABLE" WITH PRODUCTION MOVING OUT OF THE US.

    WHY DID PRESIDENT OBAMA LIE ABOUT PRESIDENT BUSH NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THE TROUBLED US AUTO INDUSTRY AND THEN SAY THAT PRESIDENT BUSH DID NOT PUT ANY CONDITIONS ON THE AID TO THE US AUTO INDUSTRY.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/sep/22/barack-obama/obama-says-bush-administration-put-no-conditions-a/

    President Bush's GM and Chrysler Indicative Summary of Terms for Secured Term Loan Facility (Final Terms and Appendix).

    WHY IS PRESIDENT OBAMA LYING ABOUT ABANDONING US ALLY AFGHANISTAN AGAIN. President Obama already negotiated with President Karzai for the US Military Special Warfare (30,000) to remain in Afghanistan Indefinitely, while withdrawing the US Military Conventional Warfare Forces by 2014; leaving the US Military Special Warfare without the necessary support of the US Military Conventional Warfare Forces.

    WHY DOES PRESIDENT OBAMA KEEP BLAMING "OBSTRUCTIONIST" CONGRESS, WHEN IN FACT HE KEEPS ON CIRCUMVENTING US CONGRESS "The Will of the People", keep clicking "Next", see anything Unconstitutional, TOUGH, that is what YOU previously Voted For:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions

    • 2 votes
    #1.22 - Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:57 PM EDT

    THE PRESIDENT OBAMA REPORT CARD:

    The Misery Index is the Report Card for a US President's RESULTS (not lame excuses):

    The higher the number the MORE Miserable US Citizens are:

    Barack H. Obama, 10.68

    George W. Bush, 8.11

    • 1 vote
    #1.23 - Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:43 PM EDT
    Reply

    TX may not be battleground territory since politically speaking, the extremists (teapeople) have taken over. I plan on attending the Bexar County Vote Rally this afternoon featuring......President Bill Clinton!

    Vote for Democracy.......Vote Obama/Biden!

    • 15 votes
    #2 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:16 PM EDT

    Long range I hope we see some red states turning blue---like Texas and Arizona.

    I sure hope you share your impressions of seeing President Clinton in person.

    • 12 votes
    #2.1 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:19 PM EDT

    Maybe that is why Texas is so successful??

    • 10 votes
    #2.2 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:28 PM EDT

    Maine got a Tea Party governor and Republican legislature in 2010 and the results have not been pretty. Last week we learned our universities have lost millions of dollars in research funds because of Teapublican policies. They also "reformed" the health insurance industry here, and now elderly and rural clients get charged higher premiums. If there is any justice to this, it's that those are the very folks wjo voted the Republicans into state office.

    Maine is solidly voting for Obama/Biden, although the RNC is spending money to get one elector from those elderly, rural voters up north. Good luck with that.

    • 17 votes
    #2.3 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:29 PM EDT

    Turning TX blue is a real possibility, hopefully not too long range....but we gotta get rid of Rick Perry next year. Heck I don't even know if he'll be running again since he's not term limited!

    I will share my impressions after the rally, Steeler.

    Turn Texas Blue!

    • 12 votes
    #2.4 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:30 PM EDT

    As Senator Al Franken just wrote to democrats on DailyKos, this election isn't about the next 4 years.

    It's about the next generation.

    • 15 votes
    #2.5 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:30 PM EDT

    Funny thing about Clinton, some in the media, from the libbie side are already scapegoating him.

    So when O loses the biggest losers [other than O] will be:

    1. Nate Silver?

    2. Clinton?

    3. Gore ['cept he's kinda already lost; as has;

    4. Carter.

    Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

    • 6 votes
    #2.6 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:35 PM EDT

    double post

    • 1 vote
    #2.7 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:35 PM EDT

    Carter is already a winner- he lost the "worst president ever" title to Obama.

    Funny that somebody started talking about Texas- then Carter comes up.

    Anybody but me remember that in 1980, Texas was a Battleground state?

    Anybody but me remember that the polling had it going to Carter?

    Anybody but me remember how that turned out?

    • 9 votes
    #2.8 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:39 PM EDT

    I don't, but that is a very interesting point.

    Course the whole 'Dixie-democrat' thing kind of ran its course as well.

    What our fine libbie friends never seem to get is that this stuff runs both ways.

    Cause Cali used to be red. Of Course it used to be solvent too.

    I wonder if there is a relationship?

    • 9 votes
    #2.9 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:47 PM EDT

    Anyone else see the movie Argo?

    • 7 votes
    #2.10 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:50 PM EDT

    Maybe that is why Texas is so successful??

    Sure! Lotsa low-wage, part-time, no-benefit jobs. Add to success?

    Gov. Oops on the down-low takes stimulus money to try to plug the gigantic hole in the budget while openly talking against it!

    Gov. Oops thinks TX should secede......Gov Oops and the rest of the TX teapople would have a stroke if the mega military spending in TX was cut.........but rail against big government.

    ...and then who can forget Dubya? Real success?

    • 7 votes
    #2.11 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:53 PM EDT

    Amy -

    "Argo" was the best movie I've seen in years! Even though you know up front how it ends, you're still on the edge of your seat the whole time with the suspense. And at the same time, John Goodman and Alan Arkin are a total hoot. Ben Affleck is turning into one seriously good director. And for anyone who hasn't seen it yet, make sure you stay around for the closing credits. It's amazing that no one's made this story into a movie before now, even if so much of it was classified for so long. And kudos to President Clinton for getting the real Tony Mendez the credit he deserved.

    Two thumbs way up!

    • 9 votes
    #2.12 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:00 PM EDT

    JoAnne - "Argo" is definitely on my list of movies to see. It really looks like it is done well and I love all the actors!

    Obama/Biden 2012

    • 9 votes
    #2.13 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:04 PM EDT

    And the Princeton Meta-analysis poll as of 1 p.m. has Obama gaining one EC vote since 10 a.m.

    Obama 294

    Romney 244

    • 10 votes
    #2.14 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:16 PM EDT

    Chilled, If you going to see Pres. Clinton today would you ask him why the NYT had a article yesterday that was insinuating if Pres. Obama didn't win it would be Bill Clinton's fault. I was really appalled buy the article. I voted for Pres. Clinton twice and was a Hillary supporter.

    • 3 votes
    #2.15 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:36 PM EDT

    Amy, we have similar problems with the TeaPublicans here in Wisconsin. Walker took out a 20 year loan, gave businesses with out of state HQs $100 million break, and we lost senior care benefits.

    Seniors are outraged at Walker and the TeaPublicans for what they have done.

    The Wisconsin Democratic way is if you can't vote for a candidate, you can't donate to the candidate.
    Every single Republican disagrees with it because they receive large sums from Florida, Texas, and Kansas.

    • 5 votes
    #2.16 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:50 PM EDT

    TX being a very red state also was one of the first to enact "Tort Reform." Its worked out great, until anyone who has been injured figured out that it applies to them too.

    • 7 votes
    #2.17 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:57 PM EDT

    TO: maverick86 who wrote:

    "Maybe that is why Texas is so successful??"

    "Successful" at what? The labor force in Texas earns about $6.50 an hour, and if their doctor removes the wrong kidney they can't sue.

    I don't even take flights that stop over in Texas anymore, but if that's what you call "living", more power to you.

    Obama/Biden 2012

    • 6 votes
    #2.18 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:02 PM EDT

    I was ten years old during the hostage crisis. I remeber the "Thank you Canada stories" about what was really the CIA involved escape as portrayed in Argo. I remember the yellow ribbons.

    I had to hear and rehear over and over how Reagan got the hostages out. Not true. Again I ws reminded of the falsehood while walking out of the Argo theater; heard a converstation between Billyjoe Bob and Festus explaining that "T'was Reagan the got dem mericans out."

    In reality it was the Carter administration that finalized their release, the Iranians just delayed it so as to not give Carter a win. Thus the birth of the strong Reagan myth. The same supposed strong leader who did not retaliate in Lebanon, the same supposed strong leader that dealt weapons to Iran. I remember that too.

    I remember growing up with the hostage crisis and the embassy bombing in Beirut where hundreds died on Reagan's watch. I remember my only solace was watching Rambo II and Red Dawn to see our military victories.

    I liked the film Argo, my only complaint and not a knock on Affleck, a good actor and now director, but why cast him in lieu of a Latino.

    _______

    NY Times: "Complex Deal That Lead To [The Hostages' Release] Was Brokered by President Jimmy Carter's Administration." A December 7, 2007, New York Times article fact checked a political ad ran by then-GOP presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani's campaign that linked the release of the hostages to the swearing in of Reagan. The Times explained that:

    Although the hostages were freed less than an hour after Mr. Reagan was sworn in as president, the complex deal that led to their release was brokered by President Jimmy Carter's administration. The hostages were released because the United States agreed to return nearly $8 billion in frozen assets to Iran, most of which Iran used to pay off foreign creditors. [The New York Times, 12/7/07]

    As A Candidate, Reagan Urged The U.S. To Agree To "Virtually All" Of Iran's Demands For Releasing The Hostages

    Wash. Post: Reagan Said The U.S. "Should Agree To Virtually All" Of Iran's Demands In Return For The Prompt Release Of The Hostages. The Washington Post reported in September 1980 that Iranian leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini set four terms before he would release the hostages, and Reagan said that the United States should accept three of those terms and added that the fourth term could not be met without following "due process of law." From the Washington Post:

    Republican presidential nominee Ronald Reagan said last night that the United States should agree to virtually all the new demands of Iran's Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in return for the prompt release of the American hostages.

    In a prepared statement he read before he and President Carter delivered separate speeches to the National Italian-American Foundation dinner, Reagan said the United States "can and should" agree to release Iranian assets in this country, cancel all claims against Iran and pledge nonintervention in Iran's domestic affairs.

    These were three of the four conditions Khomeini set for the return of the hostages in a statement issued Friday in Tehran.

    Reagan said Khomeini's fourth condition -- the return to Iran of the property of the late shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi -- cannot be met without "due process of law."

    "Having agreed to these points we must above all insist that the hostages be released immediately upon conclusion of an agreement, that there be no delays, introduction of additional demands or waiting for fulfillment of an agreement," he said.

    The GOP nominee also pledged not to make negotiations over Iran's new conditions" and said that if elected "I will observe the terms of the agreement." [The Washington Post, 9/14/80, via Nexis]

    And Experts Say Reagan Has Little To Do With The Release Of The Hostages

    PolitiFact: Seven Scholars Said "Reagan's Foreign Policy Approach Was Either A Minor Factor" Or No Factor In Hostages' Release. Pulitzer Prize-winning PolitiFact found the claim that the fear of Reagan's foreign policy led to the hostages' release as soon as Reagan was sworn in to be false. From PolitiFact:

    "Well before Reagan became president, the deal for releasing the hostages had already been worked out by the Carter administration's State Department and the Iranians, ably assisted by Algerian diplomats," said David Farber, a Temple University historian and author of Taken Hostage: The Iranian Hostage Crisis and America's First Encounter with Radical Islam.

    [...]

    "I don't think they were scared into the release," [University of Central Florida professor David] Houghton said. "In all likelihood, they released the hostages because they needed the sanctions we'd placed on them lifted so they could finance their war with Iraq."

    [...]

    [S]even scholars of the period told us that Reagan's foreign policy approach was either a minor factor in the release of the hostages or not a factor at all. The fact that the deal was negotiated entirely by the Carter administration, without involvement by Reagan or his transition team, seems to support the expert consensus. Romney made a claim that flies in the face of history and offered no evidence to support it. [PolitiFact, 3/7/12]

    • 6 votes
    #2.19 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:06 PM EDT

    I was ten years old during the hostage crisis. I remeber the "Thank you Canada stories" about what was really the CIA involved escape as portrayed in Argo. I remember the yellow ribbons.

    I had to hear and rehear over and over how Reagan got the hostages out. Not true. Again I ws reminded of the falsehood while walking out of the Argo theater; heard a converstation between Billyjoe Bob and Festus explaining that "T'was Reagan the got dem mericans out."

    In reality it was the Carter administration that finalized their release, the Iranians just delayed it so as to not give Carter a win. Thus the birth of the strong Reagan myth. The same supposed strong leader who did not retaliate in Lebanon, the same supposed strong leader that dealt weapons to Iran. I remember that too.

    I remember growing up with the hostage crisis and the embassy bombing in Beirut where hundreds died on Reagan's watch. I remember my only solace was watching Rambo II and Red Dawn to see our military victories.

    I liked the film Argo, my only complaint and not a knock on Affleck, a good actor and now director, but why cast him in lieu of a Latino.

    _______

    NY Times: "Complex Deal That Lead To [The Hostages' Release] Was Brokered by President Jimmy Carter's Administration." A December 7, 2007, New York Times article fact checked a political ad ran by then-GOP presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani's campaign that linked the release of the hostages to the swearing in of Reagan. The Times explained that:

    Although the hostages were freed less than an hour after Mr. Reagan was sworn in as president, the complex deal that led to their release was brokered by President Jimmy Carter's administration. The hostages were released because the United States agreed to return nearly $8 billion in frozen assets to Iran, most of which Iran used to pay off foreign creditors. [The New York Times, 12/7/07]

    As A Candidate, Reagan Urged The U.S. To Agree To "Virtually All" Of Iran's Demands For Releasing The Hostages

    Wash. Post: Reagan Said The U.S. "Should Agree To Virtually All" Of Iran's Demands In Return For The Prompt Release Of The Hostages. The Washington Post reported in September 1980 that Iranian leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini set four terms before he would release the hostages, and Reagan said that the United States should accept three of those terms and added that the fourth term could not be met without following "due process of law." From the Washington Post:

    Republican presidential nominee Ronald Reagan said last night that the United States should agree to virtually all the new demands of Iran's Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in return for the prompt release of the American hostages.

    In a prepared statement he read before he and President Carter delivered separate speeches to the National Italian-American Foundation dinner, Reagan said the United States "can and should" agree to release Iranian assets in this country, cancel all claims against Iran and pledge nonintervention in Iran's domestic affairs.

    These were three of the four conditions Khomeini set for the return of the hostages in a statement issued Friday in Tehran.

    Reagan said Khomeini's fourth condition -- the return to Iran of the property of the late shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi -- cannot be met without "due process of law."

    "Having agreed to these points we must above all insist that the hostages be released immediately upon conclusion of an agreement, that there be no delays, introduction of additional demands or waiting for fulfillment of an agreement," he said.

    The GOP nominee also pledged not to make negotiations over Iran's new conditions" and said that if elected "I will observe the terms of the agreement." [The Washington Post, 9/14/80, via Nexis]

    And Experts Say Reagan Has Little To Do With The Release Of The Hostages

    PolitiFact: Seven Scholars Said "Reagan's Foreign Policy Approach Was Either A Minor Factor" Or No Factor In Hostages' Release. Pulitzer Prize-winning PolitiFact found the claim that the fear of Reagan's foreign policy led to the hostages' release as soon as Reagan was sworn in to be false. From PolitiFact:

    "Well before Reagan became president, the deal for releasing the hostages had already been worked out by the Carter administration's State Department and the Iranians, ably assisted by Algerian diplomats," said David Farber, a Temple University historian and author of Taken Hostage: The Iranian Hostage Crisis and America's First Encounter with Radical Islam.

    [...]

    "I don't think they were scared into the release," [University of Central Florida professor David] Houghton said. "In all likelihood, they released the hostages because they needed the sanctions we'd placed on them lifted so they could finance their war with Iraq."

    [...]

    [S]even scholars of the period told us that Reagan's foreign policy approach was either a minor factor in the release of the hostages or not a factor at all. The fact that the deal was negotiated entirely by the Carter administration, without involvement by Reagan or his transition team, seems to support the expert consensus. Romney made a claim that flies in the face of history and offered no evidence to support it. [PolitiFact, 3/7/12]

    • 4 votes
    #2.20 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:06 PM EDT

    oops double post.

    • 1 vote
    #2.21 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:15 PM EDT

    That's OK, I voted for you twice, Yellowdog : ) Great post(s)

    You and I must be about the same age. That movie brought back the seventies to me. Seeing Walter Cronkite again made me so sad.

    • 5 votes
    #2.22 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:41 PM EDT

    FINALLY - A GREAT LINK TO ROMNEY'S TAX PLAN - SHARE IT WITH ALL THE NAYSAYERS -

    People have been begging for this, demanding it, and could not find it for months.

      #2.23 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:17 PM EDT
      Reply

      Touch screens are pretty cool, especially for ordering lunch at Wawa.

      But this election night, I will miss Tim Russert and his white board more than ever.

      • 12 votes
      Reply#3 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:21 PM EDT

      I miss Tim Russert too. Also, Walter Cronkite, Ben Bradley and Roger Mudd. The younger people don't know how good broadcast journalism used to be, and maybe it's best they not know; they'd be sad.

      (Although it looks like comedians Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert have taken up the slack.)

      • 12 votes
      #3.1 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:48 PM EDT

      Amy - and Peter Jennings - don't forget Peter!

      Obama/Biden 2012

      • 9 votes
      #3.2 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:04 PM EDT

      You can still catch re-runs of The Newsroom on HBO.

      • 1 vote
      #3.3 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:56 PM EDT
      Reply

      Wheres the headlines talking about Romney taking North Carolina?? Wheres the story about Obama's chance at 5 million for whatever charity he wishes to give to. All he has to do is release his passport and college records. Why would that be hard to do???

      Romney 2012

      • 8 votes
      Reply#4 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:30 PM EDT

      Why aren't Romney and Ryan calling for the President to release his transcripts? Are you really saying that Donald Trump is smarter than they are?

      Where's the story about Romney not releasing even two full years of his taxes? Why would THAT be hard to do?

      • 13 votes
      #4.1 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:43 PM EDT

      its been done. He already has, it would be great, but if Romney did it the media would BLAST HIM. Which is what will probably happen to me, trump, anyone who would even critically think. THERE IS A REASON HE IS HIDING THEM.

      • 6 votes
      #4.2 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:47 PM EDT

      Joanne - you mean 'to do, again.'

      Cause it has been done many times around here and elsewhere.

      That dog don't hunt.

      So what else you got?

      • 7 votes
      #4.3 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:48 PM EDT

      Wheres the story about Obama's chance at 5 million for whatever charity he wishes to give to

      Terrorists are not tolerated, Obama won't be held for ransom. Buy hey Trump, keep up your antics. You have some diehard followers just aching to be the next one fired. Vote Romney if you enjoy seeing middle-class workers fired. Vote Obama to continue the road to recovery.

      • 9 votes
      #4.4 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:50 PM EDT

      Vote Obama if you like failure and hopelessness.

      Vote Romney if you love America and want a future for your children.

      • 9 votes
      #4.5 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:05 PM EDT

      Why hasn't the Donald offered Romney a few million to reveal his tax returns. THAT is more relevant than 30 year old college transcripts.

      • 8 votes
      #4.6 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:00 PM EDT
      Reply

      Donald Trump is a jackass.

      • 14 votes
      Reply#5 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:40 PM EDT

      maverick86 - and of course you're insisting Romney release his tax returns for 10 years - as EVERY Presidential Candidate in modern time has done - right; as well as Romney's passport and college records, right?????

      lisa - that's the NICEST thing anyone would ever call Trump!

      Obama/Biden 2012

      • 12 votes
      #5.1 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:43 PM EDT

      Romney is not hiding his college records nor, his passport information. And he has released his tax records. By the way if he was cheating on taxes the IRS would be all over him. END OF STORY

      There is A REASON OBAMA IS HIDING HIS PASSPORT, INFO and college records

      • 10 votes
      #5.2 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:49 PM EDT

      lisa s -

      Actually, Donald Trump is a massively egotistical, narcissistic buffoon with severe delusions of his own importance who's just trying to pump up ratings for the next season of The Apprentice (if there is one) - but you were on the right track!

      Oh, and speaking of mister "You're Fired!", could he possibly be trying to take some of the spotlight away from the Trump Organization being fired as the management of - wait for it! - the pricey Trump Place condominiums?

      "Oh, the irony.

      The condominium board at Trump Place has quietly fired the Trump Organization from managing the pricey high rise on the Hudson River that bears its name.

      Sources told The Real Deal that the condominium board replaced Trump with AKAM Living Services, a management firm that has presided over luxury buildings at such high-end zip codes addresses as Central Park West, Fifth Avenue and West End Avenue.

      AKAM confirmed to the Huffington Post that they have been retained to manage the property as of November 1st.

      The move came as a surprise to the Trump organization, according to the real estate blog.

      “We certainly would have been willing to discuss the concerns of the board if they had contacted us,” Sonja Talesnik, general counsel for the Trump Organization, told The Real Deal. “They gave us no indication that they were looking to change managing agents.”

      But Anna Fishbeyn, vice president of the Trump Place board, said the change was a long time in coming.

      "We've been waiting for their services to improve for years," Fishbeyn told the Huffington Post. "And when they didn't, we started investigating other services."

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/the-donald-fired-from-trump-tower-no-longer-manger-new-york-high-rise_n_2006368.html

      Trump Place to Donald Trump: You're fired!

      • 12 votes
      #5.3 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:55 PM EDT

      Speeking Insanity is lying about all Presidential contenders releasing 10 years of tax returns. She shudders in fear, however, of Obama's college records being made public .... which, by the way, most Presidential candidates have done in recent years ! WHAT IS OBAMA HIDING ? Did he LIE in his applications ?

      • 6 votes
      #5.4 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:59 PM EDT

      jim-1455434 -

      For the last time.....if this was really an issue, why aren't Romney or Ryan or any other legitimate voices in the Republican party asking to see them? Heck, even the more intelligent conservative posters on here (and yes, there are a number of them) aren't making this an issue. Do you really trust Donald Trump more than your own candidates and the other leaders of your party?

      I mean, Donald Trump - seriously?????

      • 10 votes
      #5.5 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:06 PM EDT

      Did he get a foreign aid scholarship???

      • 6 votes
      #5.6 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:07 PM EDT

      maverick - again, the standard has been for all Presidential candidates of our time to release at least 5 years of tax returns although most have released 10 years. Romney's father released 12 years saying that 2 years could be a fluke. ALL candidates have released them except Romney. No candidate has EVER had to release their transcripts, passport information or birth certificate. So, unless you're asking it of all of them - and it has been the standard - it's not even part of the equation. It's just harassment of the President - because you know you have no candidate in Romney. Deflect! Deflect! Deflect!

      As usual, it's all the Republican party has!

      JoAnne - don't bother with jim. He's just looking for attention any way he can get it. Clearly he gets none at home!

      Obama/Biden 2012

      • 12 votes
      #5.7 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:08 PM EDT

      "Did he get a foreign aid scholarship???

      Well, hey, if that's what your chain e-mail said, why it MUST be true, right? :)

      Uhh, wrong:

      http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp

      This is beyond old, guys. Could you at least try to get some new material soon? You've only got two more weeks!

      @Seeking - My pleasure - my job here is done!

      • 7 votes
      #5.8 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:13 PM EDT

      JoAnne - it's clear when you don't hold your own candidate to the standard set by his father, you've got no candidate! But then, from George Romney's comments about Mitt, it's clear he didn't have much respect for his son!

      Obama/Biden 2012

      • 8 votes
      #5.9 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:15 PM EDT

      Romney release 10 years of his taxes. By the way we all know Romney is RICH, not a surprise. WHY you who are such critical thinkers, do you grant OBAMA a pass on this. Is it like a husband, who ignores the fact that his wife is cheating on him, because he cant live without her??? and yes Presidents from the past have released there passport records and there college transcprits, as far as I am aware THEY ALL HAVE.

      • 4 votes
      #5.10 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:15 PM EDT

      maverick - you don't know what you're talking about. Romney hasn't even released two full years of his tax returns. He released a SUMMARY of the other years which clearly shows he is hiding something.

      When you ask the same of all other Presidents that you are of President Obama THEN you might get them but it has never been released. From FactCheck:

      Obama’s college records are not “sealed” by a court order, as this graphic would have you believe. It would be illegal under federal law (the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974) for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard Law School to give any former student’s records to reporters or members of the public without that person’s specific, written permission. Obama hasn’t released them, but neither have other presidential candidates released their college records. George W. Bush’s grades at Yale eventually became public, but only because somebody leaked them to the New Yorker magazine. Bush himself refused to release them, according to a 1999 profile in the Washington Post.

      NONE HAVE!!!!!

      Clearly you're not aware of much!!!!

      Obama/Biden 2012

      • 9 votes
      #5.11 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:22 PM EDT

      the clintons did, and now because your favorite politicianBush didn't. Obama doesn't have to. My point is that he can, and would for 5 million to charity---if he wasn't hiding them. I hope I am surprised and he does, but that is highly unlikely. Also your story is misleading in the fact that most candidates offer the information, BUSH didn't because he had poor grades. I hope that is the reason OBAMA won't. I guess we will never know.

      SOME HAVE

      ROMNEY 2012

      • 4 votes
      #5.12 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:45 PM EDT

      Speeking Insanity is sputtering now, maverick. She has been caught in a lie and now resorts to personal attacks. For quite some time she has been spreading this BS that everyone has released 10 years which is simply a fabrication by her.

      I would like to see if Obama ever had a basic, entry-level course in accounting. After almost 4 years in office, Obama's never had a budget. Perhaps he doesn't know what a budget is used for. Perhaps he was studying radical socialist philosophy instead.

      Besides, people like "sanity" usually don't have enough knowledge to understand a tax return like Romney's which is probably rather detailed and complicated.

      • 5 votes
      #5.13 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:01 PM EDT

      It is Still the ECONOMY, Stupid!!! NOW we can add the murder of Americans in BENGHAZI!!!!!

      --Sources on the ground in Benghazi during the attack on the US consulate tell Fox News that CIA operatives twice asked for permission to help Ambassador Chris Stevens and his staff, and twice were told to 'stand down' -- while a later request for military backup was denied.---

      No wonder obama is trying to blame it on a video!! These are impeachable actions!!

        #5.14 - Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:14 PM EDT
        Reply

        Thats an awesome distracting point. And many out there my have negative views of Donald Trump. BUT the point is WHAT IS SO IMPORTANT THAT OBAMA IS HIDING. That he wouldn't show his COLLEGE RECORDS, AND PASSPORT INFO. If he truly has nothing to hide, he would JUMP AT THE CHANCE TO HELP THOSE IN NEED.

        It would be more money to charity than he has ever donated. Why wouldn't he do it?? To all you critical thinkers out there?? Remember, try to use logic.

        • 6 votes
        Reply#6 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:05 PM EDT

        Will Trump help those in need by accepting the challenge from The Colbert Report? Why wouldn't he do it?

        • 2 votes
        #6.1 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:03 PM EDT
        Reply

        WHY??? is it not an issue. Because people don't hold OBAMA to the same standards as the rest of us??? To hell with that, WHATS HE HIDING

        Romney 2012

        • 5 votes
        Reply#7 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:09 PM EDT

        Okay, just one more, because he served it up so nicely:

        maverick86, we hold President Obama to MUCH higher standards than the rest of us.

        Which would we why he's The president of the United States and you and I are not.

        Deal with it.

        Okay, now I really am done with this. Call me when you get something worth discussing, okay?

        • 6 votes
        #7.1 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:18 PM EDT

        YOU IDOLIZE HIM. there is a difference. Because granting passes on reasonable things, is looking the other way. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Spin me why he would hide those things?? I would be happy to discuss it.

        • 5 votes
        #7.2 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:22 PM EDT

        maverick - no you wouldn't because you have nothing to discuss. See my post above. You don't have a clue about what you are posting and it makes you look as dumb as you clearly are!

        Obama/Biden 2012

        • 9 votes
        #7.3 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:25 PM EDT

        Your right it is Dumb to question a policitan, that wants to lead our country. Critical thinking is for losers, just do what they tell you--- I got it.

        Romney 2012

        • 6 votes
        #7.4 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:33 PM EDT

        maverick - but you hold your candidate to lower standards, right? Well, standards don't get much lower than Romney's - you're right about that. Again, you're nothing but a dupe for the GOP as it is clear NO OTHER candidate had EVER had to show their college transcripts or passport informaton. But they have ALL shown at least 5 years of Tax Returns - except your boy Romney. Whatever is he hiding????

        I love the fact that proof has no room in your world! You truly are a Repubican - just keep lying and deflecting!

        Obama/Biden 2012

        • 8 votes
        #7.5 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:40 PM EDT

        Where is the proof?? EVER HAD TO; and volunteering information is two different things. Ten year detailed summary not good enough for you??? (Romney taxes). Also you are LYING TO YOURSELF if you think raising taxes on job creators will somehow create jobs, that we in this country desperately need. We need to give business a reason to come home, not promise them they will lose more profits threw higher taxation.

        Romney 2012

        • 5 votes
        #7.6 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:53 PM EDT

        maverick:

        Ryan had to show 10+ years of returns to Romney before becoming the repub VP candidate. Why won't Romney show the same to the American people?

        People taxed at a low rate sit on their money and live off the interest. By raising their taxes, they become so incensed at the govt they find any reason to avoid giving it to them - usually by creating jobs and giving that money to people rather than the govt. Taxes make the 1%ers invest it instead of sitting on it.

        You can yell as loud as you want to, but the president still doesn't care if you want to see his transcripts, passport, ... whatever. If Romney were in office you'd get the same treatment. The people that run the govt and verify that the admin is doing things within the guidelines of the law have checked his birth certificate and pronounced it valid, they realize college transcripts don't mean alot (and what's to say they haven't seen it), and they have checked his passport. All is well. And nobody cares what you think or what your demands are.

        If it were important or even relevant, I'm sure the TPRepubs would be all over it. Mr Issa needs a new crusade.

        • 4 votes
        #7.7 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:16 PM EDT

        It is Still the ECONOMY, Stupid!!! NOW we can add the murder of Americans in BENGHAZI!!!!!

        --Sources on the ground in Benghazi during the attack on the US consulate tell Fox News that CIA operatives twice asked for permission to help Ambassador Chris Stevens and his staff, and twice were told to 'stand down' -- while a later request for military backup was denied.---

        No wonder obama is trying to blame it on a video!! These are impeachable actions!!

          #7.8 - Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:16 PM EDT

          Seeking Sanity- Just turn maverick off. Ignore. Just like any toddler that seeks attention and gets cranky when they need a nap. Ignore and it will stop.

          • 1 vote
          #7.9 - Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:00 PM EDT
          Reply

          Donald Trump a guy who has declared bankruptcy how many times... Mitt Romney who cannot tell the truth to save his life... Paul Ryan who is trying to sabatoge and dismantel the social safety net he grew up on... old white men in congress and senate who think they know all about women's bodies... foul tasting tea bags who have and are trying again to bring our economy to the brink... and BUSH NEOCONS running Mitt's wars... OH my God what a broken party...THIS IS A NO BRAINER....OBAMA 2012

          Romney doesn't deserve polite treatment, he is playing a Nixonian game of smoke and
          mirrors on the American people....

          Romney doesn't have the character or a core to be president...

          Romney is a habitual liar...

          Romney has total disdain for 47% of americans, he thinks they're worthless...

          Romney will take away women's rights...

          Romney will add $2000 a year in taxes on the middle class...

          Romney will repeal Obamacare...

          Romney will repeal DADT...

          Romney didn't think it was worth it to go after Osama Bin Laden...

          Romney didn't think it was a good idea to end the war in Iraq...

          Romney will end Medicare as we know it...

          Romney said let the auto industry go bankrupt...

          Romney said let the housing forclosures hit botton and let investors but up the
          inventory...

          Romney has been using the tradegy in Lybia for political gain...

          Romney is a panderer...

          Don't take my word for it, FACT CHECK and GOOGLE the lies Romney has told... I know you'll find that
          Obama is honest and Romney is not....

          Obama 2012 I cast my vote for Obama as did my 2 daughters because we TRUST OBAMA to continue moving our country forward to a strong, stable and sustainable economy that will benefit the middle class!

          • 7 votes
          Reply#8 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:14 PM EDT

          Right you drank the Koolaid and are cool with a country headed to a financial cliff. Its all good, I like promises to, but if you can look at what has been done---not what has been promised you would see this President for what he truly is and always has been. A PROFESSIONAL POLICITAN. Problem is when he gets the job, he is suppose to do it.

          • 6 votes
          #8.1 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:19 PM EDT

          maverick:

          Ryan voted to put us on the path to the financial cliff. The tenets of the Simpson-Bowles findings were discussed by a committee, a poison pill was added to the mix to get the committee to take action, and they elected to take the pill. Ryan was one of three that decided the pill was preferred over doing anything that might give Obama good press. He could not bring himself to go against the Norquist petition, nor do anything that might allow Obama a second term. Party over country. And you want him to be VP, and you want Romney to use Ryan's economic plan to destroy the middle class.

          We may never know if Obama would have enacted some, none, or most of Simpson-Bowles. He does not write the bills - congress does - and they decided to ignore the recommendations and swallowed the pill instead. Stop blaming Obama for something he has no control over. He can only sign the bill or veto it, he can't write it.

          • 4 votes
          #8.2 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:28 PM EDT
          Reply

          No wonder Secretary of State Scott Gessler (Republican) has made a mess of the voting in Colorado this year. Confusion is another form of suppression.

          • 5 votes
          Reply#9 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:15 PM EDT

          Gessler is the worst sort of political hack. He has openly been suppressing the vote since his election. He should be recalled.

            #9.1 - Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:49 PM EDT
            Reply

            "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, "the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

            ~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

            • 5 votes
            Reply#10 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:23 PM EDT

            Great post Billy at #10 ! It simply shows Obama CONTRADICTING Obama !

            There is also one where Obama declares that no President of the United States should enter the U.S. into a war, where our national security is not at risk, without Congressional approval. Of course, Obama authorized WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL the attack on Libya with $1 billion of Cruise missiles ... at a time when Libya posed no threat to our national security !

            Obama CONTADICTING Obama ... you 'gotta love it !

            • 3 votes
            Reply#11 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:36 PM EDT

            Ummm. We provided arms to the French/British coallition. We had no boots on the ground. Is that going to war?

            • 3 votes
            #11.1 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:30 PM EDT

            Poor Jim. Polarized to COMPLETE ignorance.

            Not a contradiction then ... nor now.

            • 1 vote
            #11.2 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:09 PM EDT

            It is Still the ECONOMY, Stupid!!! NOW we can add the murder of Americans in BENGHAZI!!!!!

            --Sources on the ground in Benghazi during the attack on the US consulate tell Fox News that CIA operatives twice asked for permission to help Ambassador Chris Stevens and his staff, and twice were told to 'stand down' -- while a later request for military backup was denied.---

            No wonder obama is trying to blame it on a video!! These are impeachable actions!!

              #11.3 - Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:16 PM EDT
              Reply

              Urban vs Suburban-Rural vote in Ohio. Urban voters with their housing projects and dependence on government vs independent Americans who have moved their families to the suburbs or the country for quality of life issues. This represents the battle nationwide in the microcosm of one state Ohio. The kicker in Ohio is the blind, militant union vote-Will they stick with Obama or vote for the future of American like when they switched to put Reagan in office in 1980? What the union voters do in Ohio could well determine the fate of America. It is a heavy burden and each union voter must decide what is more important "following the mandate of his/her union bosses or doing what is best for the future" and they will make that decision privately in the ballot box! Pray they do what is best for our Country!

              • 2 votes
              Reply#12 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:44 PM EDT

              Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president - Theodore Roosevelt

              The union will vote democrat regardless of what is best for this country, they don't seem to understand that they will lose just as much as every one else will if we maintain the status quo

              • 1 vote
              #12.1 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:29 PM EDT

              FINALLY - A GREAT LINK TO ROMNEY'S TAX PLAN - SHARE IT WITH ALL THE NAYSAYERS -

              People have been begging for this, demanding it, and could not find it for months.

                #12.2 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:18 PM EDT
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                For weeks the Obama team insisted they had the election in the bag.

                Then came the first debate. Then 70 million people got to meet Mitt Romney, unfiltered by Obama's slam ads, and they thought - we have an alternative to Obummer.

                And for the millions and millions of people who want a future that includes a job, Obama is the wrong guy. By a long shot.

                I believe in Romney's America and not ObamaNation, with is filled with millions more on food stamps, millions more on welfare and huge new taxes and debt.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#13 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:48 PM EDT

                Stand up and fight for your country.. Obama wants to globalize everything.. That is not what we stand for. he wants to make us all slaves to the govt. Once he has us all needing more and more he will own us.. SLAVES.. STAND and fight.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#14 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:57 PM EDT

                Hey Ohio! Hey Colorado! Go to Bainport.com. Progressive Power thinks you will find it very interesting. Then come to your own conclusions.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#15 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:14 PM EDT

                I guess forward to Obama means maybe starting on all the promises that he made back in 2008. Let's see, twice now he has said that he intends to rebuild the roads and bridges of this country. Now he didn't do it with the $853b in 2008, so this time he says that he'll use the savings from the wars to rebuild the roads and bridges of this country.

                The democrats really need to change the party name to the George Washington Party. They never tell a lie- Kerry didn't he was upright with his war record, Gore was the inventor of the internet, Edwards - that's not my baby, the king himself Bill "I did not have sex with that woman" Clinton, and now this one. He has told so many whoppers, Burger King has a new Obama/Biteme Burger

                • 1 vote
                #15.1 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:54 PM EDT

                What Romney did to become so wealthy was not by honorable labors. Stripping companies for profit and then tossing away the communities which relied on those companies shows a great deal into that man's basic character. I thought tying the dog on the car roof was revealing, but Romney's psycho-greed at the expense of working people makes me ill. To think this man has the gall to ask to be leader of our country is crazy.

                  #15.2 - Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:54 PM EDT
                  Reply

                  Romney:Flip-Flop-Flip-Flop: I will lie and do what it takes,watch me walking down the street. Flip-Flop-Flip-Flop.

                  President Obama--2012

                  Romney: The one that Republican Leaders, Fox News, Limbaugh and republican voters screamed out loud during the GOP race: "WE HATE ROMNEY!! ANYONE BUT ROMNEY!!"

                  President Obama--2012

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#16 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:01 PM EDT

                  Your name really isn't Deb is it, it's Dolly and you were cloned!

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#17 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:29 PM EDT

                  Mitt Romney campaign tries to prevent reporters from asking questions

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#18 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:35 PM EDT

                  New polls conducted for the Democratic-leaning Project New America and USAction give President Barack Obama a slim lead over Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney in the key battleground states of Colorado and Florida.

                  Among likely voters, Obama leads Romney by 2 points in Florida, 47 to 45 percent, and by 3 points in Colorado, 46 to 43 percent, according to the the Democratic-leaning firm Grove Insight. Seven percent of Florida voters and 8 percent of Colorado voters remain undecided.

                  In both states, the poll found Obama leading substantially among female voters. The poll also found Obama is considered to have a better understanding of middle-class struggles by a double-digit margin -- by 13 points in Florida and by 16 points in Colorado.

                  Surveys released last week by the same firm showed Obama with a 3 point overall lead in both states.

                  HuffPost Pollster's estimate continues to show a tight race in both states. In Colorado, the model shows Obama edging Romney by 1 point. A poll released this week by Rasmussen found Romney ahead by 4 points, while polls last week from We Ask America and the Democratic-leaning Public Policy Polling put Obama ahead by 1 and 3 points, respectively.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#19 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:36 PM EDT

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                  An attendee holds up a doll with the image of President Barack Obama at a campaign event for President Barack Obama at Doolittle Park in Las Vegas, Nevada on October 24, 2012. UPI/David Becker

                  COLUMBUS, Ohio, Oct. 24 (UPI) -- A Time magazine poll of Ohio voters Wednesday indicated President Obama is leading Republican challenger Mitt Romney by 5 points.

                  The poll of likely Nov. 6 voters and those who already have cast early ballots indicates Obama is ahead of Romney 49 percent to 44 percent.

                  But among those who have yet to cast ballots, the candidates are in a dead heat at 45 percent apiece. Among those who already have voted, Obama leads Romney 60 percent to 30 percent.

                  In 2008, nearly a third of Ohioans voted early.

                  The poll also indicated Obama leads among women, 56 percent to 37 percent, but Romney leads among men, 51 percent to 42 percent.

                  Romney also leads among white voters, 49 percent to 43 percent, while Obama leads among independents, 43 percent to 38 percent.

                  Obama has the edge with the under 40 vote while Romney is preferred by those older than 65.

                  The survey by Abt SRBI queried 783 likely Ohio voters Monday and Tuesday and has an error rate of 3 percentage points.

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                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#20 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:37 PM EDT

                  I'm over 65 and have four children and nine grandchildren. The worst thing I could do is vote for Romney. Three of my children are women and all my granchildren need a good education. The alien, body orfice inspector freaks in the Republican Party need to stay outside with rapists. My grand children do not need to become cruise missle drivers for Adolph Romney either.

                  If I was younger, I would have serious concerns of my own about Ryanizing Social Security and Medicare. Ryan has no business robbing my family of their rights, health, environment, education, health care, parenthood decisions, privacy, and career opportunities. R/R also should not rack up more trillions in "good" Republican deficit spending that gains momentum when they destroy the economy for 99% of Americans.

                  Voting for Romney is like bringing back polio, whooping cough, diptheria, yellow fever, measles, small pox, and George Bush. The only political party I ever belonged to was the Republican Party. It no longer exists. The name is being used by a politically corrupt, heedless, and dangerous syndicate.

                  • 4 votes
                  #20.1 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:14 PM EDT

                  It is Still the ECONOMY, Stupid!!! NOW we can add the murder of Americans in BENGHAZI!!!!!

                  --Sources on the ground in Benghazi during the attack on the US consulate tell Fox News that CIA operatives twice asked for permission to help Ambassador Chris Stevens and his staff, and twice were told to 'stand down' -- while a later request for military backup was denied.---

                  No wonder obama is trying to blame it on a video!! These are impeachable actions!!

                    #20.2 - Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:17 PM EDT

                    Truth seekers should listen to the father of one of the murdered navy seals...Wood--- this is very disgusting acts by the very top---

                      #20.3 - Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:21 PM EDT
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                      Rick..........I guess it depends on which poll you want to use to support your side!! First, here in Ohio rasmussen has it tied at 48% to 48%.......well within margin of error. Some polls have Obama up 3%-4%...difficult to tell.

                      Also, Associated Press poll has gender gap for women nationally as being even. Regardless, the gender gap with most polls seems to indicate a significant difference from Obama's 13% victory margin with women in 2008.....meaning it is not as hugh as in 2008 and definitely not 19% as the Times poll!! This seems to not bode well for the President if the gender gap is close since in September it was double-digits.....I believe 16%.

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#21 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:24 PM EDT

                      It seems like NBC is trying to make it a narrative that it is all about Colorado and Ohio. I believe that Ohio is important but the President can win w/o Colorado.

                      • 1 vote
                      #21.1 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:43 PM EDT

                      FINALLY - A GREAT LINK TO ROMNEY'S TAX PLAN - SHARE IT WITH ALL THE NAYSAYERS -

                      People have been begging for this, demanding it, and could not find it for months.

                        #21.2 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:19 PM EDT
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                        Again the Mormon
                        candidate Wrongney’s beliefs are revealed. His religion says women have no
                        place in leadership or in the workplace.

                        Why would there be so many applications stashed into these binders and files in
                        his own company? It is because they
                        refused to hire women for many years.

                        Nit wit Mitt
                        Wrongney has been repeating the same lies saying he cares for the poor while on
                        camera. Off camera he says it is not his job to care for the poor. When the
                        cynical Wrongney was speaking his lies at the presidential debate, he said that
                        Obama did not say what the specifics were for who qualifies for refinancing
                        their home. We all should know including Nit Wit Mitt what it takes to qualify
                        for a mortgage loan. The agreement is worked out with the bank that is to
                        refinance the applicant. Wrongney is telling us that our deficit is increasing
                        because of Obama’s policies. When Obama
                        took office as president, the war was costing more than $20 billion a month.
                        One aircraft carrier uses one million gallons of fuel every five months. The
                        auto industry was set to lose nearly one million jobs. George Bush had a
                        bailout bill on the table as he was leaving office. Obama used that to save the
                        jobs of the nearly one million auto workers. They were and are paying it back.

                        If just one
                        oil and pharmaceutical company make between 20 and 40 billion dollars in
                        profits a year, they should pay more in taxes instead of getting a tax break.

                        There were so
                        many things that Nit Wit Mitt Wrongney proposed that Obama has been trying to
                        get the Republican run House of Reps to pass for nearly three years. In his
                        campaign speeches, he is saying the exact same things as Obama said when he
                        became president. Wrongney is stealing Obama’s material to use in his speeches.
                        Wrongney will lie and do anything because his money is his god. The Republicans
                        said they don’t want to work with Obama. The Republicans said they want him out
                        of office because he wants to help everyone in America. The republicans are mostly self-serving and
                        only want to fill their own pockets with tax payer dollars by steering the
                        money into their projects and special interests. Nit Wit Mitt Wrongney said
                        that the president’s policies failed but the Republicans never allowed anything
                        to get passed by voting NO on every single measure. Remember that everyone in
                        Washington was voted into their position there by American voters to do a job.
                        When the Republicans lied about the socialism that doesn’t exist, they were
                        voted in. Now the Republicans are causing major gridlock on every measure that
                        is put forth to make it appear that President Obama is a failure. The
                        Republicans were told in their campaign meetings to use fear to cause people to
                        distrust Obama. This was broadcast on the internet recently. Also the people
                        everywhere are cashing in on president Obama by using any kind of controversy
                        like the issues of Socialism, him being Islam, not an American born in America and
                        him being a communist. Everyone is making a windfall by projecting Obama as any
                        one of these.

                        President
                        Obama doesn’t speak to America as if he is speaking to ignorant and uninformed citizens.
                        Wrongney is talking to America as if they are completely uninformed and
                        ignorant about what the republicans have been doing to stop any kind of
                        progress in Washington. Wrongney has put forth his plan and it contains some of
                        the plans that Obama has already tried to get Washington to put through. Obama
                        has a job bill that would create some 45 million jobs over 10 years. But the
                        Republicans won’t vote yes to pass the bill. The republican governors say they
                        don’t want bailout and Federal funding while the cameras are rolling. But they
                        request and accept the money to the tune of more than 36 billion in the state
                        of Mississippi and Florida. Some things
                        Wrongney says he wants to do is something that is already in place at this
                        time. Wrongney still thinks everyone is completely stupid. That is how Wrongney
                        wants to treat Americans. His plan is to allow the individual states handle the
                        billions of government dollars. This will open the door to self-serving and
                        greedy politicians to do what they want with the money. The people waiting for
                        help from the state government will die on the hospital steps while they are
                        waiting. The sick will die in waiting rooms and at home because of the greed
                        and misappropriation of funds. It is happening right now in Florida and Mississippi.
                        Billions are in the hands of politicians that have personal agendas while those
                        who need it are waiting to get help. The
                        governor of Florida was cited for $10 billion dollars in Medicare fraud while
                        he ran some of the hospitals in Florida. The Republicans and TEA partyers are
                        going to destroy America as if a Terrorist group has taken over. The
                        republicans are doing the work of terrorists right now in Washington by
                        stopping every plan that Obama has on the table. People need help right now but
                        Wrongney says that he has a plan for the distant future. Obama has a plan right
                        now in front of the Republicans. When the Healthcare reform bill was being
                        discussed by the republicans and democrats in the same room, the republicans
                        had the bill in front of them on the table. The republicans were saying; “We
                        can’t read this bill” or “We don’t know what is in this bill.” It was right on
                        the table in front of each person on the Democrats side and the Republican
                        side. The Republicans were saying; “We want to be included in this process.”
                        They were sitting in the same room while the process was happening. Yet they
                        were creating video bites to be used later to fool feeble-minded and unaware
                        American citizens. The democrats gave
                        their input without any nonsense. The republicans were just saying; “I am not
                        going to read this bill. “ They just
                        want to get the money into their own pockets. Now Wrongney has been saying that
                        he has a bill that will be a better one. When they say that they haven’t read
                        the first one, how will they know that Wrongney’s bill is better?

                        Feeble minded
                        Americans were told that they were angry by Fox and CNN. They didn’t know what
                        they were angry about until they were told why.

                        The fake
                        polls began to pop up after one month of Obama being in the office of
                        president. The feeble minded people were told to go into the streets and say
                        they were angry. The media used steering tactics and fake polls. They were and
                        are spending and making millions of dollars on the feeble minded that were
                        duped by the media. The satanic Fox network had the biggest influence on the
                        feeble minded. I saw how it transpired and was not fooled. Fox was stirring up
                        the masses to rebel and riot in the streets. They paraded into Washington DC
                        with pictures of Obama hanging, swastikas and confederate flags waving.
                        Foxaholics began to buy guns because they were told to fight against fake
                        socialism in America. They were told that the FEDS were going to take their
                        guns. CNN joined the band wagon and
                        reaped millions of dollars. Mr. Murdoch’s media machine has been paying and
                        getting paid to spread UNLIMITED, MALICIOUS AND UNRESTRAINED LIES ABOUT THE
                        PRESIDENT.

                        This created a
                        windfall of billions for the people at Fox and CNN. People at Fox sold their
                        souls for money and began to lie effortlessly and very professionally. Some of
                        the Foxaholics were buying guns by the box loads and hiding them. Guns sales are still soaring because of these
                        steering tactics. Right now the word on feeble minded street level is that
                        there is going to be a civil war before the election. They are preparing for
                        this by digging bunkers and stocking up on thousands of rounds of ammunition.
                        Fox will be right in the middle orchestrating this civil war. How much more satanic
                        can it get than that? There are other nations that want America destroyed. Fox
                        and CNN are helping their cause.

                        Maybe Nit Wit
                        Mitt Wrongney needs to go in a plane to 39,000 feet and roll the window down.

                        The
                        Republicans want to privatize prisons and hospitals to keep government money
                        and to place rates however they want.

                        The votes
                        from 26 states are sent to Tampa, Florida to be counted. This is where the
                        Republicans headquarters are located. The company that owns the voting machines
                        is owned by Spain and has its financial offices in the Cayman Islands where
                        Wrongney keeps his business affairs finances.

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#22 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:48 PM EDT

                        It is Still the ECONOMY, Stupid!!! NOW we can add the murder of Americans in BENGHAZI!!!!!

                        --Sources on the ground in Benghazi during the attack on the US consulate tell Fox News that CIA operatives twice asked for permission to help Ambassador Chris Stevens and his staff, and twice were told to 'stand down' -- while a later request for military backup was denied.---

                        No wonder obama is trying to blame it on a video!! These are impeachable actions!!

                          #22.1 - Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:22 PM EDT

                          Any one who cares about TRUTH..listen to the remarks by the father the murdered Hero Woods...lies and deceit from the Prez and Hillary!!!

                            #22.2 - Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:39 PM EDT

                            BOZOhussen asks for trust and truth....how would you feel being subjected to these outrageous Lies from Prez & crew ...all the time your dead son / Hero is on display behind you???!!!!

                              #22.3 - Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:43 PM EDT
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                              FINALLY - A GREAT LINK TO ROMNEY'S TAX PLAN - SHARE IT WITH ALL THE NAYSAYERS -

                              People have been begging for this, demanding it, and could not find it for months.

                                Reply#23 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:19 PM EDT

                                seejames-

                                FINALLY - A GREAT LINK TO ROMNEY'S TAX PLAN - SHARE IT WITH ALL THE NAYSAYERS -

                                People have been begging for this, demanding it, and could not find it for months.

                                It didn't post.But I think I have the one your looking for.And your right it shows it more clear than he has:

                                For all the details on Mitt Romney's 5 trillion dollar tax plan visit ROMNEYTAXPLAN.COM

                                  #23.1 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:01 PM EDT
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                                  FINALLY  - A GREAT LINK TO ROMNEY'S TAX PLAN - SHARE IT WITH ALL THE NAYSAYERS -

                                   

                                  People have been begging for this, demanding it, and could not find it for months.

                                    Reply#24 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:38 PM EDT

                                    I think people should vote as if the women and children in their lives depend on it. Voting Republican is like a trip back to the 1950's! Here's another one of these REPreshensible men and those PAC's that support him:

                                    'Prominent Republicans in Wisconsin quickly dropped their support for state Rep. Roger Rivard (R-River Lake) after he told a newspaper that "[s]ome girls rape easy." But much like after Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.) made his controversial comments about "legitimate rape" and lost the backing of the GOP establishment, social conservatives and at least one "family values" group are rushing in to help.

                                    On Wednesday, the Wisconsin Family Action PAC -- which bills itself as committed to "strengthening and preserving marriage, family, life and liberty" -- endorsed Rivard.'

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#25 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:28 PM EDT
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