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Subscribe to RSSAndrea Mitchell and NBC's Truth Squad examine claims made by each candidate at the third and final debate of the 2012 presidential election in Boca, Raton, Fla.
NBC News takes a deep dive into the statements made by President Barack Obama and Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney in their third and final debate of the 2012 election cycle.
We take a look at two topics and put their comments to the test.
Iraq
During the debate, Romney said, “We don't want another Iraq, we don't want another Afghanistan. That's not the right course for us.”
But four years ago – during another debate in Boca Raton – NBC’s Tim Russert, the moderator, asked whether the war in Iraq was worth "the cost in blood and treasure we have spent?"
Romney responded: "It was the right decision to go into Iraq. I supported it at the time. I support it now."
The president and Mitt Romney debate the best strategy for keeping the military strong.
Obama also argued that Romney, as recently as two weeks ago, said the administration should have kept troops in Iraq. “This is just a few weeks ago, you indicated that we should still have troops in Iraq,” said the president.
“No I didn't,” Romney responded. “I'm sorry.”
“It was in your speech,” Obama shot back.
“I indicated that you failed to put in place a Status of Forces agreement at the end of the conflict that existed,” Romney said.
But both men were shading their past positions.
The president was referring to an Oct. 8, 2012, speech that Romney gave criticizing the “abrupt” withdrawal of all American troops from Iraq, but the Republican didn’t explicitly say the U.S. should have more troops there.
Romney is right that the administration tried and failed to get an agreement that would have allowed a small force of U.S. troops to remain for several years.
But there is some truth in what the president said -- over the last year, Romney has said he would have left between 10,000 and 30,000 troops in Iraq to transition to Iraqi security forces taking over.
'Apology tour'
During the debate, Romney pulled out one of his most frequent attack lines against the president, charging that Obama went on an “apology tour,” criticizing U.S. actions when he visited other countries early in his presidency.
“And then the president began what I've called an ‘apology tour’ of going to -- to various nations in the Middle East and -- and criticizing America,” Romney said. “I think they looked at that and saw weakness.”
The president says credibility is what's important in dealing with world affairs.
Obama responded, “Nothing Gov. Romney just said is true, starting with this notion of me apologizing, that has been the biggest whopper that’s been told in the course of this campaign and every fact checker and every reporter who has looked at it governor, has said this is not true.”
This charge is so central to Romney campaign that the governor even titled his own book, “No Apology.”
So is Romney right about this?
The president pushed back hard, insisting that he never used the word “apologize” when explaining that he thought the U.S. had made some mistakes in dealing with the world.
But this is open to interpretation. Romney points to several examples, including when the president said, in Strasbourg , France, in 2009 that, “America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.”
Romney claims that shows weakness, which is harmful to U.S. positioning in the world.
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“We have fewer horses and bayonets!”
Well done, Mr. President, well done.
Obama/Biden 2012
The Empty Chair:
In tonight's debate it was apparent that Mitt Romney just wanted to get through the evening. He looked and acted like President Obama (acted) in the first debate. Romney spoke in platitudes, and rehearsed talking points without any sense that he was talking about real people living on planet Earth. I lost track of how many times Romney agreed with President Obama. In fact Mitt Romney was the empty chair, and could have just as well emailed in his gibberish.
CBS flash poll: Obama won 53%. Romney won 23%. Undecided 23%. PPP Poll: Obama 53%--Romney 43%. CNN Obama 48% Romney 40%.
Only those living in the ‘bubble’ where facts don’t get in can honestly say that R$mney won this debate (hat tip Bill Maher). Every time he finished agreeing with President Obama, he frantically and desperately attempted to PIVOT to domestic issues.
There was absolutely no depth or even basic GRASP of the gravity of some of these issues. WAR is not just a card game. These are REAL people sacrificing ALL for this ass wipe’s ability to sit there and morph into a faded copy of an unfit leader.
Even R$mney’s GRANDCHILD was desperately seeking the President! R$mney on the International stage would be a complete and utter FAIL!
Four More for 44! Sorry, Mitt Romney does NOT pass the CIC test. He was completely OUT of his Depth!
That was the best line out of all the debates
Obama From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
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Obama Tonight: 'I will stand with Israel if they are attacked'
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What will Obama do if Israel is attacked by Muslims??
Forbes: For A Better Economy, Vote Democratic:
• Personal disposable income has grown nearly 6 times more under Democratic presidents
• Gross Domestic Product (GDP) has grown 7 times more under Democratic presidents
• Corporate profits have grown over 16% more per year under Democratic presidents (they actually declined under Republicans by an average of 4.53%/year)
• Average annual compound return on the stock market has been 18 times greater under Democratic presidents (If you invested $100k for 40 years of Republican administrations you had $126k at the end, if you invested $100k for 40 years of Democrat administrations you had $3.9M at the end)
• Republican presidents added 2.5 times more to the national debt than Democratic presidents
• The two times the economy steered into the ditch (Great Depression and Great Recession) were during Republican, laissez faire administrations
Romney's best flip-flop line - you can't kill your way out of the mideast - of course I will kill the bad guys.
So, HopeisGone, how about we post the entire quote and see what reality and context can do to your ridiculous lie...
Source: http://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/obamas-dreams-of-my-father/
The GOP is using the word "replacement" behind closed doors! Rumor has it the Koch brothers and Rove are furious ! The "investment "must pay off !
Third presidential debate in a nutshell:
"FLIP" FLOPPED.
Yep. Mittens showed yet again, he is all hat no saddle.
He is an embarrassment to this nation.
Total loss to Mittens, victory to our President and our country.
And how .. we've all seen and heard of the Manchurian Candidate.
Hopeisgone..................here is the full paragraph from the President's book "Audacity of Hope":
The actual quote from the book is from page 261 and is as follows: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
Read the last sentence in the context of the paragraph. He is just saying that he will be with the people who have come to this country, at a crucial time when they need support.
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You will note that there is no mention of Muslims and the fact that he says Arabs and Pakistani is being twisted to suit someone's twisted dark hearted agenda. If you read the complete book you would know the quote was totally wrong.
Obama apologized and bowed like a doorman at the Peninsula Hotel in Hong Kong!
Fact check that, everyone has seen the photos.
Just keep 'worshipping the parties', see what happens to this country.
"My candidate lies and distorts less than yours, he does not...."
Most of these posts sound like 12 year olds watching college football.
Obama did a good job explaining his foreign policy. Romney really struggled with it especially when he talked about how weak our Navy is since we had more boats in WWI. Obama was either amazingly well prepared or he improvised that "we have fewer horses and bayonets now too." A definite home run for Obama.
It is amazing that Romney wants to increase defense spending $2 trillion, yet he obviously doesn't even know how to judge military strength or tactical needs.
Romney mirrored Obama's positions all night. I thought Romney had been criticizing the Obama foreign policy. Now, he supports it.
Romney shakes his etch-a-sketch again. Will the real Mitt Romney please stand up?
Only a man with no integrity can change positions on such important matters so effortlessly. Romney is a successful con man. Romney cannot be trusted.
Layton do u know what we actually use in Afganistan ? I think not We actually still use bayonets an do use horses . My commrads in Arms completly do not support Obama he single handedly has murdered my fellow soilders with his great announcment of when we were leaving Irag the announcment was heard world wide an attacks picked up 40% daily !!! He put us in harms way, give him a rifle an watch him hide behind me while i do his job for him, Obama is a disgrace to the US ARMY!!!
Romney looked like he was in a DAZE all night, it was funny !!!!!!!!!!
As usual, they try Pres. Obama's blatant lies are cleverly covered while they try to paint Romney as the villain.
Wow, stronhorse, did you bash Dubya for kissing and holding hands with the King of Saudia Arabia? Gotta be fair.
Usfirst..................so now that Romney announced his new policy on Afghanistan, that he too will pull out in 2014 I'm assuming you wont like him either???
Of course, give him a day or so or even a few hours, he may change his position again.
I would suggest, Romney is a lying sack of @!$%#, however that does not cover everything. There is only 1 opening to a sack.
Romney is an alimentary canal with No Control at either end! Depending on what you want to hear, just listen to 1 end or the other!
Mitt The Twitt Opens his Mouth Again.
Romney: Instagram ‘Must Be Banned’
Oct. 21, 2012
U.S. Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney called
for the banning of Instagram today, apparently under the misapprehension that
the popular photo sharing app is used for measuring quantities of illegal
street drugs.
The former Massachusetts
governor was speaking at a retirement home in Florida,
part of a last-minute campaign swing before Monday's presidential debate.
He used the opportunity to discuss crime and substance abuse
- issues that have not featured prominently in the campaign thus far, but
disproportionately worry older voters.
Fast Beautiful Highs
Romney took a tough no-tolerance stance, claiming Obama has
overseen an unsettling relaxation of drug policy:
"This country is seeing an epidemic of drug use and
drug related violence. Thousands of kids are dying every week from marijuana
overdoses and heroin fueled mass shootings."
"And its not just in the bad neighborhoods. Kids from
good backgrounds are getting caught up too."
"I've just heard about this application - a mobile application
for your iPhone And what you do is place
a small amount of cocaine, or marijuana, or PCP on top of your phone and the
application instantly tells you how many grams you have."
"Its called Instagram. And do you know what the really
scary thing is people? I'm told this instant drug measurement tool is the 9th
most downloaded app for the iPhone." Filter Madness
"I visited the University
of Florida recently. And everyone
in the halls was talking about their Instagrams and how much they were sharing
their 'dope pics' with their friends. They don't even try to hide it anymore.
Under Obama dope has become an acceptable part of the culture."
Romney then tried to link this imaginary drug problem to
Obama's economic policies, and suggested a Romney alternative:
"This is what the youth of Obama's America
look like. Out of work. Up to their eyeballs in debt. And hopeless, they turn
to their Instagrams to sell and consume drugs."
"Well when I am President we'll get our kids off
their iPhones and into good paying jobs. And then we must ban this Instagram tomake it harder for our children to fall into the trap of illegal substances
You have to use smart power in foreign policy, what the Republican Teddy Roosevelt calls - speak softly, and carry a big stick.
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The GOP has been unnecessarily belligerent and wasted a lot of our scarce resources to achieve not much in return - it's not smart, it's dumb; and War in Iraq comes to mind. Just because Saddam Hussein attempted to assassinate Bush Sr, it's not justification to hijeck the entire Amerian nation to take out Saddam Hussein, right?
Hopeisgone, that is easy to answer and I'm surprised that you ask since they are talking about two different things entirely.
When Israel is attacked, by anyone, Obama will stand behind them. That kind of attack implies a military attack, or a terrorist attack.
His statement on standing with Muslims includes something very interesting, which you have included, "should the political winds shift in an ugly direction".
I hope that you have enough erudition to understand what that means and can see the very clear difference. In this statement of standing with Muslims, Obama is stating that he will stand with individual Muslim believers if they fall under attack by a movement of the ignorant being driven by a political ill wind. You know, like a politician demonizing the entire Muslim religion for his own political gain, as has been done in the past against Jews, and, come to think of it, lately, against Muslims.
LOL did he really say all that? Also no one has ever died of a overdose of marijuana. In fact it has been proven that you can never overdose on pure marijuana. My god is Romney stupid. Of course he was speaking at the University of Florida. FU will admit anyone.
Romney wants to be president, but obviously is not passionate about politics, current events, and foreign policy. He thinks he can just study up and give a book report. Contrary to the FAUX Noise spin, Romney's performance was NOT even a passing grade.
It was fantastic seeing President Obama call out Romney, regardless of which Romney showed up -- Moderate Romney for peace or neocon Hawk Romney who believes in a military answer to everything instead of diplomacy, including engaging our enemies (or frienemies).
Romney clearly is NOT ready to be President, Commander in Chief, and leader of the free world. Haunting to think of it, really.
stronghorse:: I would bet that you have never been to the Orient-- probably never been outside the 48 contiguous states. You bow to a person when you are introduced to him-- that is common courtesy.
I could swear I saw Romney's noise get bigger throughout the debate. He looked desperate and rambled on a lot. He also contradicted himself when he was talking about China. Mitt, the party is over!! Go Home!!
See that look in Mitt Romney's eyes. That's the feeling a guy with $500 million has when he's found something he can't buy.
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4 more 4 44
Right wing slime ball Brent Bozell Tweet;
Bad news for Romney: Poor performance, and lack of vision. Good news for Romney: No one knows; America had been put to sleep.
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Definitively 4 more 4 44
Obama/Biden 2012
Layton-3733410
YUP, Layton
"Horses and bayonets" are trending tonight kinda like "binder full of women". TeeHee TeeHee ☺ ☺ MYTH was all over the map.
Superb work by Buzzfeed with this twit pic.
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This is a take on one of the best moments of the night – when Obama responded to Romney complaining that the Navy has less ships now than it did in 1916 (at last – Romney's been crowing on about it for months).
"Well governor we also have fewer horses and bayonets. Because the nature of our military has changed," Obama said.
4 more 4 44
Obama/Biden 2012
HopeisGone
What will Obama do if Israel is attacked by Muslims??
Hopefully, not a damn thing.
what President Obama said was not an apology....the world sees our President as strong, committed, decisive and forthright.........
I'm sure the world sees Mr. Romney as weak when he can't even stick to any one position on any subject what so ever.....
credibility and integrity are key in foreign affairs.............Mr. Romney has proven he has neither and would all but sell his soul to become President...
how can you count on a guy who has no difinitive stand on any subject what so ever....our allies have to be able to trust we will do what we say and our enemies need to be able to trust what we say we will do.........
Mr. Romney's performance would be laughable if it were not on such a serious subject.
Putting the debate into context, a sitting president should smoke a state governor on foreign policy. Obama barely held his own considering the length of time, he versus Romney, has spent on the topic. In 2008, Obama could barely spell foreign policy. There has been a big improvement tho. He identified those ships with aeroplanes landing on them and ships going under the water as aircraft carriers and submarines. What a smart guy he is.
Exactly Ken,
I find it very funny when people get up here and try to say that Mitt has no foreign policy experience when they had no problem with Obama having none four years ago.
The decision on HOW and WHEN Israel will retaliate is ISRAEL'S. That simple.
The Israelis are a smart, resourceful people. They have the booty. And cetainly the weaponry. And they have a right to exist. I just DON'T want them dragging US into their wars.
Ken: I wouldn't exactly call Obama's performance "holding his own." Anyone who has been paying attention the last 4 years knows that Obama has once again lied through his teeth. The fact is that he has constantly snubbed Israel. For him to say that he is "a strong supporter of our ally, Israel" is like him saying that he believes in "individual initiative and rugged individualism and business." The fact is that Obama has consistently apologized for America's greatness and has indicated his desire that we just be one among many.
One thing the left doesn't understand is that style points are irrelevant. It's substance that the people want to see, except for his fellow socialists like Chris Mathews. So, it's clear that Romney, yet again, was the clear winner of this debate. The good thing for the libs is that most people who are undecided are people who don't pay much attention to politics anyway, so again they didn't see Obama's dismal performance. They were watch football or baseball instead. Of course, they aren't as likely to vote either.
We need a truth squad that can tell us if a candidate believes in their own words or not. Romney's got half the country supporting him because he does and says what he needs to say at any moment in time.
There isn't one of you here on the Vine that can tell me his positions last night were expected or ever taken before last night. Unreal.
Was it the real Mitt? Did his foreign policy briefings cause him to see Jesus (well... you know what I mean). Or was this just clever but not so transparent campaign tactics? Or does he simply have very smart handlers handling an ex- CEO that has years of lying through his teeth under his belt?
My vote is the latter.
My vote is Obama.
witchrunner
We can actually support Israel better by getting out from under her skirt... and that is all he did. He put a little daylight between us so both can be more objective and productive.
And the notion that he doesn't believe in individualism and business is not even close... he just wants us to stop humping business' leg while ignoring the rest of America.
No, the disgrace to the US Army is the previous Republican administration. They started the war in Afghanistan but never finished the job. Instead, Bush/Cheney cherry-picked data to show a non-existent connection with Al Quaeda and imaginary WMD's (just where are those pesky WMD's anyway?) to go haring off to Iraq and decreased focus on the war in Afghanistan. If anything showed weakness and a lack of resolve to our enemies, this did! They put an idiot in charge, Donald Rumsfeld, and then refused to replace him in spite of demonstrated incompetence in two wars, not just one!
Iraq and Afghanistan - C'mon! 10 years to subdue two countries smaller than some US states? WWI lasted 4 years and WWII lasted 6 years. These were wars fought on a global scale.
The Republicans in charge lost sight of the goal. More worried about Halliburton's profits than US security, they dithered until the clock ran out and then retired to live in luxury on "thank you's" from Halliburton while Obama was left with the mess they created.
This whole thing about Israel pisses me off. Obama has said that Israel needs to stop its settlements, if it ever want peace. You can't just keep building houses in lands that is not your's. It would be like us here in the US taking over a peace of Canada and start building a city there. Israel just can't keep on the way they are and expect us to protect them. If they want our protection, then they must act in a responsible manner. The President has told them that. Out protection comes with conditions as it should.
Layton-3733410,
So does Obama realize that the US marines still use bayonets? I guess Obama should have checked his own facts on this one.
"What will Obama do if Israel is attacked by Muslims??"
The War Mongering CONSERVATIVES must be pissed!
That debate was the worse thing I've ever seen. Mitt lied so much and couldn't stop blinking I thought he was about to die on stage. Then Obama lied on a few things also. Just didn't lie as much as Mitt. I didn't know people running for president don't have to answer questions. I saw Mitt til the moderator no I wont answer that. Maybe they need to hold out for elections and let republican's get a new person to run. I can see war happening again if he gets in.
US1stpoltics2nd
Evidently I missed something by being in the Army in the early 90's through to the first part of 2000. I could have sworn it was the Bush's that sent us to the Middle East twice.
“America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.”
This is a true description of the damage That G.W. Bush has done to America's reputation, and it was time to conduct some actual diplomacy. This is how Obama was able to bring enough countries together to inflict crippling sanctions on Iran. (Their currency is down 80% since 2011.)
The ex-Bush neocons that make up Romney's foreign policy team feel that blunt force is way to deal with the world, and have been pushing for a war with Iran, just as they pushed (succcessfully) for war with Iraq. Dangerous.
HopeisGone, you are yet another low information voter who listens only to the RNC's propaganda network. The quote was false. Check out http://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/obamas-dreams-of-my-father/ . I have no doubt, however, that you will simply say Factcheck.org is lying and you will go on believing what you want to believe. That is why the polls are so close. If most people did their homework and checked facts, Obama would be FAR ahead.
Acting Arrogant, Dismissive and Derisive...Those are Romney's best things!
he didn't say we have "none", he said we have "fewer."
Seriously, is that the best you got?!? Bwhahahaa
Ed-28....
Had the French turned their backs on us when the POTUS threw his own country under the bus...??? The answer is a big "NO".
Is the world a safer place for you and I to travel in vs. 4 years ago...??? The answer again is a big "NO".
So what did Obama's 'damage control' actually accomplish...??? NOTHING...
Republican Strategy compared to real life event:
Republican School Principal turned Arsonist burns down a school in 2008...
New Democratic Principal refers to the tragedy of the school being burned down in 2008.
Republicans scream and say quit blaming that first principal for the damage and cost of rebuilding - IT IS NOW 2009....
Romney got schooled.
He said last night:
My plan to get the industry on its feet when it was in real trouble was not to start writing checks. It was President Bush that wrote the first checks. I disagree with that. I said they need — these companies need to go through a managed bankruptcy, and in that process they can get government help and government guarantees, but they need to go through bankruptcy to get rid of excess cost and the debt burden that they'd — they'd built up.
And fortunately the president picked —
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Governor Romney, that's not what you said.
MR. ROMNEY: Fortunately, the president — you can take — you can take a look at the op-ed.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Governor, you did not —
MR. ROMNEY: You can take a look at the op-ed.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: You did not say that you would provide, Governor, help.
Here is the last line from Wrongme's op-ed on letting Detroit go bankrupt:
In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable automakers, rather than seal their fate with a bailout check.
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Wrongme wants us to believe that by 'government help' he either is talking about money, or not, depending on what you want to hear.
Maybe he was talking about cheerleading. The President is correct when he said there was no private help available. Romney conveniently forgets that major banks were failing left and right. This man is just too stupid for the job. Romney is wrong about America, and wrong FOR America.
Romney's new military strategy:
We will put lanterns in the church bell towers, oneth by land, twoeth by sea.
Star Obama was wrong on the bailout and Romney's position. The op-ed in the Times does say federal guarantees for car buyers so the President lied again as he has done consistently and with help from the media. Despite his constant lies and the main stream media helping him every way possible, Romney is still in position to win the Presidency. I guess Americans can read between the lines. We will know November 6th unles Obama loses then we can count on recount after recount.
WEAKhorse: "Obama apologized and bowed like a doorman at the Peninsula Hotel in Hong Kong!"
Nice (NOT!!) metaphor--but CITE YOUR SOURCE! You CANNOT!
willard illogically uses gdp as a metric for military spending. that right there tells anyone he knows nothing of government budgets and their relation to the economy. we don't need a president who will be an even bigger aipac bitch-puppet than we've already had. arming the syrian rebels would be an act of war and removing assad is what al-qaeda wants, so doing so is just plain madness. bring all of our troops home to defend america, like the constitution says. do not favor one nation over another, as washington stated not to in his farewell address. and for REAL change, vote Johnson/Gray !!!
Vermillion Sky Popeye: "How is it that I had the first post here # 1.0, and there were about 35 posts including 2 more from me. Then I come back, and they are all gone, and a bunch of Dem posts are up at the top ?"
Poor baby! Cry me a river! As Jesus once said--those who are last shall be first--and those first last (I'm paraphrasing, of course)
BTW, right now--I'm last on thread #1--and it doesn't bother me AT ALL! I'm just happy to be here!
Many simply fail to realize Romney was CORRECT on what he said about a "managed bankruptcy" by GM with U.S. loan guarantees. Even more fail to realize that GM went through a bankruptcy ANYWAY ... with the U.S. government bailing out woefully underfunded Cadillac health plans for union retirees, while the U.S. now holds GM stock ... a stock now worth substantially less per share than what the U.S. paid for it !!!
So Obama lied about this and this "fact" was conveniently omitted by the writer(s) of this story.
us1stpol2nd: "like i said u can get on obama cock , ill keep defending an doing my part , the 101st wants a commander an chief not a bowing coward like mr change yeah thats worked real good lmAo get off his nuts"
You know the Republicons are in trouble when they start bringing in portions of the male anatomy as insults!
Let's see: They both lied. Big surprise there. That's what politicians do. After each debate, you can read the lies told by both candidates.
So now it goes back to performance. Obama has failed miserably. Vote the bum out. Case closed.
Once again, President Obama cannot tell the truth about the auto bailout.
I have one observation to point out. It has nothing to do with the debate, but with all of you liberals.
Why do you hold a double standard when it comes to the white house and oval office? The President of the United States of America should ALWAYS be refered to as Mr President, or President So&so, for LIFE. Yes there are some idiots that call President Obama by less than desireable terms. But you by far are the worse ones!
I have NEVER seen a liberal post refer to President Bush as such! Most of the time it is Dubya.
As a sign of respect to the office, refer to them as presidents. If you do not, everybody is to assume you do not respect the government system that we Americans have.
The President is to be refered to properly even if you do not respect him! It is a sign of respect for the office of the Presidency at the very least!.
I'm sick and tired of watching disrespectful people. they are everywhere, on tv, at work, in public. Even during the debates! Countless times President Obama interrupted Governor Romney over the three debates! When The President would do so, Gov. Romney would allow it and liberals spun that as him showing weakness. I saw it as Respectful. I thought he was showing that he was the better man. Last nights debate he didnt allow it and I think that he sank to the Presidents level when trying to talk over him.
As for the "winner"; Who figures this?? I was never asked who I would vote for! Do the pollers call up people at random? or do they poll only the people they want to to make the result what they want? DONT EVER TRUST A POLL!! They are not accurate and are easily rigged! TRUE.
Well that was my rant for today. Just remember, Respect goes both ways. If you cannot show the office of the President any respect; Dont expect anybody else to respect it either when your candidate is on the receiving end of it.
Kenny Kenny Kenny: "As a sign of respect to the office, refer to them as presidents. If you do not, everybody is to assume you do not respect the government system that we Americans have"
You're joking right? I agree with you but have you actually read what many Republicons post here? They call Obama: "Obozo" "Obummer" "Oblameo" "apologizer in chief" "O'bama" "Bammer" and much much worse.
President Obama has taken much worse disrespect and still come shining through. If Romney wants to be President--better grow some tough skin!
Ambassador Stevens could have used a horse.....a bayonet.....a marine.....
Instead what he got was Obama & Clinton.
And death.
Romney looked Presidential...Obama looked mad.
Romney kept his cool...Obama was mad.
Romney had his facts in order...Obama just seemed mad.
I think its clear...Romney will be the next President of the United States!
Romney/Ryan 2012 Vote against Obama like your life depends on it!
Romney was beaten before he sat down at the table. When he was not agreeing with the President he was getting schooled in foreign policy.
Horses and bayonets indeed!
O and Joe 2012.
When the world see Romney selling off American jobs to them for years and years, and right up to this very minute, they know he is not a TRUE AMERICAN and would strike a deal with any nation as long as the price was right.
When the world sees Romney stashing all his money in offshore accounts to avoid paying American taxes, ...they know he can bought and strike a deal with them if the price was RIGHTY!
DUMP ROMNEY FROM THE PARTY OF NO!
richard-1957365
Romney stated his position in such a way as to fool you and anyone else not paying attention.
He said he supported bankruptcy with federal guarantees... meaning that he supported private financing with government guarantees... there was NO private financing available, so his position, in effect, was to let them fail. He did not and still does not support the notion of using federal monies to save the auto industry... bye bye Ohio.
“We have fewer horses and bayonets!”
Umm maybe horses but the military still uses bayonets! What an idiot!
"Forbes: For A Better Economy, Vote Democratic:
• Personal disposable income has grown nearly 6 times more under Democratic presidents"
Uhhh....any single 30 year old taxpayer on a modest salary knows that this is BS.
My take-home pay has been significantly affected under this administration (for the negative end).
Not poor enough for government assistance (not that I would accept it) and barely sustaining the rate of inflation with my (extremely) modest budget...
...I guess I need to have a couple of kids (i.e. deductions).
Amazing Mitt Romneleon changes his color more frequently and readily than a chameleon. Simply refreshing to see his circus acts in shifting shapes so effortlessly. But the most amazing things are his "conservative" supporters. In agreeing with and supporting Romneleon in all his position shifting from "SERVERELY CONSERVATIVE" to "MILDLY LIBERAL", are the Romney supporters evolving with him? Or that they simply have absolutely no principles, no scruples, no idea, and no brain?
33 people died in total during 12 attacks on embassies under the Bush Administration, Steve, add another 3,000+ Americans killed on U.S. soil, even when Bush had intelligence information of al qaeda getting ready to attack the U.S. MONTHS before 9/11. Nothing negative to say about those deaths?
Supporting a decision on Iraq and then saying now that the US does not want another Iraq is not a flip no matter how much liberals would like to spin it. Both of his statements are true and exclusive of each other. Would Americans like to be involved in another Iraq style conflict? No I don't believe so. Was it worth remove Saddam from power and liberating Iraq? Yes it was and the vast majority of America and Congress felt the same including the same liberals who are now criticizing the decision as Monday morning QB's. Criticizing the abrupt pull out of American forces in Iraq and making the statement that he would have handled it differently is also not a flip flop but instead shows a contrast between the two candidates. The spin put on the fact check by FR is liberal to the end and not even very good. Obama did say the remarks that Romney pointed out in the "Apology Tour" discussion, not once but several times in the last four years. He has shown weakness. Obama's words and actions show he is the one flipping back and forth on Israel so no one is really certain if he would throw Israel under the bus if another war started in the middle east. Not the way to treat a long term allies.
Obama is an insolent, incompetent, narcissistic, America-hating muslime.
He is an opportunistic community agitator and a dishonest predator, constantly on the prowl for a situation or occurrence that he can exploit to benefit his agenda, no matter how it affects the future of the nation.
HIS "ECONOMY" is a pile of crap--he doesn't know how to KEEP JOBS here in AMERICA and as to his "TRANSPARENT" CRAP---just that CRAP--he has SHIPPED MORE MONEY to foreign business than HE has TOLD WE the PEOPLE--same with JOBS!
SAME CRAP from the ARROGANT LIAR in CHIEF--VOTE him in again and WATCH our COUNTRY go into the crapper--better learn how to feed your family when food and other BASIC NEEDS go even higher than they are now--TOTAL FAILURE is WHAT OBAMAM IS.
NOBAMA or obiden in 2012 OR EVER AGAIN---VOTE the TRASH MUSLIME OUT!
Last night, during the debate it appeared that Romney morphed into Obama. He agreed so often with Obama it was like Obama debating Obama. Millions of Americans watched the birth of Mitt Romney Obama.
Sheryl, do you understand the difference between fewer and none?
Let's hope you don't reproduce....just saying
Romney's new military strategy:
We will put lanterns in church bell towers to signal an attack by our enemies, oneth by land twoeth by sea.
He concedes foreign policy and he is still in it, SERIOUSLY?
http://factcheck.org/2012/10/false-claims-in-final-debate/
If you read it, you will notice that Obama made more incorrect statements than Romney did. According to some people on here, by just listening to what the fact checkers said, Romney would be the clear winner, right? I mean, I've heard over and over again that rebublicans are lying, and democrats are not, so vote democrat. Well, we can see that in fact democrats were lying, so everyone should vote republican, right?
Yeah, let's hope...
because the last thing we need is more single 30 year old (hard working & responsible) taxpayers to help supplement the rest of society's entitled "intellects" who sit at a computer typing on message boards all day affirming to themselves how cerebral they are....'just saying'.
Well, gotta get back to supporting the masses, there's work to be done here. Ciao.
Ummm Sheryl, do ALL the military use bayonets, or is it just the Marines who are the only U.S. military service that trains, issues and uses them? Appropriate military technology 100 years ago doesn't constitute appropriate military technology today, or is technology something you are unable to grasp?
it was unnessesary and illegal under our constitution to ivade iraq, not to mention not at all worth the treasure borrowed and printed to do it. we are not at all safer for removing the cia puppet saddam from power, and a lot less broker for it ...
Actually Obama was wrong when he stated “America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.” He should have stated the previous administration has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive and that's not the true America.
Jim
Obama was correct when he stated Romney had opposed direct Federal loans to GM and Chrysler. Romney stated that he would have guaranteed loans once GM and Chrysler emerged from bankruptcy. What is the difference between these two different positions?
Obama's direct government loans to automakers kept their production of cars going. Parts suppliers were able to continue selling parts to GM and Chrysler before they filed for bankruptcy and while they were in bankruptcy. Auto workers continued to be employed and auto dealerships were able to restock as they needed to.
Under Romney's proposal, GM and Chrysler would have had to shut down production until they emerged from bankruptcy. The parts suppliers would have had to wait for months for their cash flow from auto parts sales to recover. Many of these suppliers would have ended up in bankruptcy as well under Romney's plan.
When GM and Chrysler emerged from bankruptcy, they would have had to find private financing (even though with guaranteed loans, the US would still have been on the hook for any investor losses).
Circuit City went into bankruptcy a few months earlier and they could not find any private financing to save them. The same story could have occurred with GM and Chrysler under Romney's plan.
There is a difference between Romney and Obama on saving the auto industry.
Obama's plan worked and a million jobs were saved at GM and Chrysler and their parts suppliers.
Romney's plan could have cost our country a million jobs. Parts suppliers could have been devastated undermining even the production of other makes of cars in the US due to supply chain disruptions. Romney's plan assumed the government could not do this well and that the private sector always does it better. This is his ideology, his belief, and he was very wrong here.
Obama's pragmatism and realistic approach to near collapse of auto industry saved the auto industry in America. GM and Chrysler have returned to profitability and are expanding. America has regained its leadership role in car manufacturing in the world today.
Romney was wrong. Obama was right.
OBAMA 2012....for a better, fairer America.
More typical misstatements. There were ten issues with Romney wrong on 5 and Obama wrong on 5 with Romney stating the most obvious lie since it had already been proven false by many fact checkers and that is the lying apology statement.
Sheryl,
I think your post #1.73 proves who the idiot is.
I love right wing comment that Romney didn't flip flopped where the fact is he has flip flopped so many times he makes John Kerry seem like the Rock of Gibraltar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB1vu74c&feature=related
@ Sheryl-1137681
What part of fewer do fail to understand?? Maybe an apology to Obama is in order but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.
Interesting side note to those comments is that THEN gov Romney as one of his first acts in the state of MASS was to slash law enforcement's budget to nothing. The crime in Mass grew proportionately to those cuts.
That is because they print a LOT of money and create a LOT of inflation.
BTW for those of you that are saying we STILL use horses and Bayonets, of course we do! He said Fewer. FEWER meaning we don't use them as much. But then, there are those that are desperate I do expect them to mis-quote. So perhaps we should start asking the president to start dumbing down his responses so that all of us understand his answers.
Not only that, but the most important job of the Commander in Chief is taking care of the troops.
Let's look at Mitt's view of the troops, or better stated, no view of the troops. In his acceptance speech, Romney didn't state one word about the troops or the returning veterans. In all three debates, Romney never mentioned one word about the troops. Obama stated his support regarding taking care of the troops, especially of returning veterans, in his acceptance speech and mentioned the troops three time during last night's debate.
Romney wants to be CiC, with the priority of building many weapons systems that the military hasn't asked for. Doing so will fatten the wallets of the defense industry CEOs. The troops, on the other hand, well they're part of the 47% who can't take responsibility for their lives. Romney doesn't care about such rift-raft. Besides, it's not like any of his family is affected. Draft-dogging Romney and his brood are incompatible with military service. That's for the lower species of human beings.
Those of you, especially veterans, who support Romney, think about this very hard. If Romney becomes president, returning veterans can expect squat from his administration. The right wing stance on supporting the returning troops has already been stated when Congress (the HoR) voted down the bill to enact programs to help returning veterans get job/vocational training and employment assistance. The republicans all voted to fund two wars to the tune of trillions of dollars, but can't find one Billion to help those that were sent to fight the wars.
This 31-year veteran says: Romney for Commander in Chief – IDON”T THINK SO!!
Romney is a preschooler when it comes to foreign policy, Him and his handlers know it. The only way to make Romney appear at all creditable was either to spew propaganda type lies or switch subjects.
America's Image is on the rebound from the failed GOP corporate sponsored strong arm approach that got us in so much trouble here and abroad. We the people around the world are not to be deemed a renewable/disposable resource for the benefit of the monopolies of America.
Send all the GOP fascist puppets to the unemployment line on Nov 6th
Considering the USMC still trains its Men and women on the use of a bayonet and ALL of their rifles have a bayonet not really sure how this was a zinger to Mitt Romney? It looks more like the current President does not have any idea what his Military is trained with or else he would not have said that again considering it is a weapon that ALL Marines are taught.
usa,
your post demonstrates a complete incompetence of comprehesion of what was said.
For all of those carping on my post above, I am not dissing on the military at all. The President simply stated we have FEWER horses and bayonets. I am fully aware of the various needs of the military and as noted in the debate last night, the President is supportive of their requests.
Obama/Biden 2012
puke poll continued:
mitt romney is either
1) the biggest liar to step into the Presidential arena
or
2) the biggest imbecile to step into the Presidential arena
which is it pukes?
Romney just BRILLIANT he show he can be COMMANDER IN CHIEF, Romney did not focus in blame Obama for his failed policies, nor in the Libya incident , it is all over the news Obama fail big time, and Hilary blame herself to cover Obama's back. EXCELLENT STRATEGY. Romney appeal to undecided voters , the ones that the economy matter the most , not foreign policy Obama in this subject is already done. Romney put more emphasis in economy and did it well, Romney put emphasis about work with both parties and he mention several times , Obama has no record of work bipartisan , that is what we need , we are stuck in the mud and Romney will make this economy works. PEACE WITH STRENGTH.
Romney lose the battle but he will be the next president, just look at the polls next week , you will be surprise of the results.
By the way Obamas comment about fighting a war with horses and bayonets is ignorant and offensive. We use horses in Afghanistan and the Marines still use bayonets.
Romney / Ryan 2012
President George W. Bush not only bowed to the king of Saudi Arabia, he also kissed him on the cheek and held his hand as they walked down the garden path at Bush’s Texas ranch
Google it...
We have 11 Aircraft Carriers and 72 submarines they require at the minimum an addition 211 supporting ships ... the marines also require another 45 ships for their support. Even if you cut the Navy down by 40% you still need about 240 ships in our Navy.
To bad Obama never answered the question ? instead he threw out a canned zinger ... I am sure to the uneducated it score but for me it was no answer or at worst a false cheap short.
If Obama was auditioning for a spot on Saturday Night Live ... he won but if the debate was to see which man should be President of The United States ....
Obama was the loser !
I read Obama has already contracted an agent for gigs starting February ... whats up with that !
Also everyone who is saying he said fewer not none well the last time I checked the USMC was a part of the USN and therefore it is at the same level as it was back in 1917 considering the USMC STILLS trains all wit bayonets and their weapons STILL has them attached!!!
JIM what you're saying is .. idiot Obama can do it because idiot Bush did it. Thank you for helping me make up my mind for Romney as President
Yeah Oskar,
Mutt acted as if President Obama's foreign policy was his bestest buddy.
Romney is a fricken clown.
Communist Obama Spends The Final Debate Stretching The Truth And Spinning His Record - this is why he will lose the election in a landslide to Romney / Ryan 2012. Only a GOD-less Demon-cRAT will believe his baseless lies . . . LOL!!!
LIE #1: OBAMA'S FAILED STATUS OF FORCES AGREEMENT
THE CLAIM: Obama Tried To Deny That He Proposed A Status Of Forces Agreement That Would Have Left Thousands Of Troops In Iraq. (President Barack Obama, 2012 Presidential Debate, Lynn University, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: "Obama Sought To Negotiate A Status Of Forces Agreement That Would Have Allowed United States Troops To Stay In Iraq After 2011." "Mr. Obama sought to negotiate a Status of Forces Agreement that would have allowed United States troops to stay in Iraq after 2011. Initially, the Obama administration was prepared to keep up to 10,000 troops in Iraq. Later, the Obama administration lowered the figure to about 5,000 troops - some 3,500 of which would be continuously based in the country while the remainder would periodically be rotated through. The role of the American forces would be to train Iraqi troops, patrol Iraq's skies and help Iraqi commandos fight Al Qaeda." (Michael Gordon and Scott Shane, "Fact Check: A Status Of Forces Agreement?" The New York Times, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: "Obama Wanted To Leave Several Thousand Troops In Iraq." (Josh Smith, Sophie Quinton, and Olga Belogolova, "Debate Fact Check: The Third Presidential Debate Between Barack Obama And Mitt Romney," National Journal, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: "Romney's Right-Obama Did Try To Get A Status Of Forces Agreement, But Could Not Get An Agreement With The Government Of Iraq." " (Glenn Kessler, "Fact Check: Debate Over Iraq Withdrawal," The Washington Post, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: "Actually, The Obama Administration Tried For Many Months To Win Iraqi Agreement To Keeping Several Thousand American Troops There Beyond 2011 To Continue Training And Advising The Iraqi Armed Forces." (Calvin Woodward, "FACT CHECK: Missteps In Final Presidential Debate," The Associated Press, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: NBC's Andrea Mitchell: "So Governor Romney is right, that the administration has tried and failed to get an agreement called Status of Forces Agreement that, in fact, would have allowed a small force of troops to remain for several years in Iraq." (NBC, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: Fox News' Chris Wallace: "I Think You Have To Give The Points To Mitt Romney On That…Romney Was Right, Obama Was Wrong. Obama Wanted And Failed To Get A Status Of Forces Agreement." (Fox News, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: NBC's Richard Haass: "Even The Administration I Think Has Kept Open The Possibility Of A So Called Residual Force There." (NBC's " 2012 Presidential Debate," 10/22/12)
LIE #2: OBAMA CLAIMED HE DID NOT PROPOSE THE SEQUESTER
THE CLAIM: Obama Claimed That The Sequester Was Not Something That He Proposed. OBAMA: "First of all, the sequester is not something I proposed, it's something that Congress proposed. It will not happen." (President Barack Obama, 2012 Presidential Debate, Lynn University, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: "In Fact, The Idea May Have Come In Part From Obama's Current Chief Of Staff, Jack Lew." (Josh Gerstein and Darren Samuelsohn, "Fact-Checking The Third Presidential Debate," Politico, 10/22/12)
LIE #3: OBAMA MISCHARACTERIZED HIS POSITION ON CHINA
THE CLAIM: "President Barack Obama Called China An 'Adversary' Of The United States For The First Time During Tonight's Debate, Changing His Own Administration's Messaging On The U.S.-China Relationship And Contradicting His Own Secretary Of State." (Josh Rogin, "Obama Contradicts Clinton, Calls China An 'Adversary,'" Foreign Policy's The Cable, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: "Secretary Of State Hillary Clinton Appears To Agree With Romney, Not Her Boss. She's Said On Several Occasions That China Is Not An Adversary And Doesn't Have To Become One." (Josh Rogin, "Obama Contradicts Clinton, Calls China An 'Adversary,'" Foreign Policy's The Cable, 10/22/12)
LIE #4: OBAMA MISREPRESENTED ROMNEY'S RECORD ON THE AUTO BAILOUT
THE CLAIM: Obama Claimed That Romney Would Not "Provide Government Assistance To The U.S. Auto Industry." (President Barack Obama, 2012 Presidential Debate, Lynn University, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS:"Romney Is Correct In That He Called For A 'Managed Bankruptcy.'" "Although 'bankrupt' often conjures up images of liquidation, Romney is correct in that he called for a 'managed bankruptcy.' This is a process in which the company uses the bankruptcy code to discharge its debts, but emerges from the process a leaner, less leveraged company. Ultimately, along with getting nearly $80 billion in loans and other assistance from the Bush and Obama administrations, GM and Chrysler did go through a managed bankruptcy." (Glenn Kessler, "Fact Check: The Auto Industry Bailout," The Washington Post, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: Time's Michael Scherer: "Obama is wrong. Romney supported guarantees in bankruptcy. 'The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing'" (Michael Scherer, Twitter Feed, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: Romney Argued "The Federal Government Should Provide Guarantees For Post-Bankruptcy Financing And Assure Car Buyers That Their Warranties Are Not At Risk. So At Least On That Point, Again, Romney Seems To Have Had The Record Straight." (Fox News, 10/22/12)
The Facts: Original Romney Opinion Piece "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs.(New York Times Nov. 2008) Added by be
THE FACTS: FactCheck.org: "Obama says Romney wouldn't have provide any gov't assistance for automakers. But Romney did propose loan guarantees." (FactCheck.org, Twitter Feed, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: CNBC's Scott Cohn: "Mitt Romney Did Not Write In That 2008 Op-Ed That He Wanted To Liquidate The Auto Industry. He Did Say He Wanted It Restructured Through Bankruptcy." (CNBC, 10/22/12)
LIE #5: OBAMA CLAIMED IT COST LESS TO LIBERATE LIBYA THAN AMOUNT SPENT FOR TWO WEEKS IN IRAQ
THE CLAIM: Obama: It Cost Less To Liberate Libya Than What The U.S. Spent In Two Weeks In Iraq. OBAMA: (President Barack Obama, 2012 Presidential Debate, Lynn University, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: CNN's John Berman: "Our Verdict Here Is False On The Math." BERMAN: "So, what are the facts here? The total cost for the first five years of the war in Iraq was 646 Billion. Which breaks down to about 700 Million for two weeks which is less than the 896 million the U.S. spent on military intervention in Libya. Our verdict here is false on the math. Obama was right that Libya is cheap compared to Iraq overall, but he exaggerated by about 200 million dollars when he compared it to two weeks in Iraq." (CNN, 10/22/12)
LIE #6: OBAMA CLAIMED ROMNEY'S JOBS PLAN WOULD CREAT JOBS OVERSEAS
THE CLAIM: Obama Claimed Gov. Romney's Plan Will Create 800,000 Jobs Overseas. OBAMA: "If we take your advice with respect to how we change our tax codes so that companies that are in profits overseas don't pay U.S. taxes compared to companies here that are paying taxes, now, that's estimated to create 800,000 jobs. The problem is they won't be here; they'll be in places like China." (President Barack Obama, 2012 Presidential Debate, Lynn University, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: FactCheck.org: "Obama says Romney's plan would create 800 k jobs overseas. But study says foreign jobs could grow without costing US jobs…" (FactCheck.org, Twitter Feed, 10/22/12)
LIE #7: OBAMA CLAIMED ROMNEY SAID RUSSIA WAS AMERICA'S GREATEST GEOPOLITICAL THREAT
THE CLAIM: Obama Claimed Gov. Romney Has Said That Russia Was The U.S.' Greatest Geopolitical Threat. (President Barack Obama, 2012 Presidential Debate, Lynn University, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: "Romney Has Never Called Russia The No. 1 'Enemy' Or 'Threat' To The United States, Despite Obama's Claims On Multiple Occasions, Including Monday's Debate." (Josh Gerstein and Darren Samuelsohn, "Fact-Checking The Third Presidential Debate," Politico, 10/22/12)
LIE #8: OBAMA LIED ABOUT ROMNEY'S EDUATION RECORD
THE CLAIM: Obama Claimed That The Massachusetts Scholarship Program Happened Before Romney Became Governor Of Massachusetts. OBAMA: "That happened - that happened before you came into office." (President Barack Obama, 2012 Presidential Debate, Lynn University, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: Obama Was "Incorrect." "Also, Obama was incorrect when he said the Adams scholarships predated Romney." (Josh Smith, Sophie Quinton, and Olga Belogolova, "Debate Fact Check: The Third Presidential Debate Between Barack Obama And Mitt Romney," National Journal, 10/22/12)
LIE #9: OBAMA WAS WRONG ABOUT EGYPTIANS' OPINIONS ABOUT AMERICA
THE CLAIM: Obama Claimed Opinions About The U.S. Have Improved In Egypt Under His Presidency. OBAMA: "In Egypt we stood on the side of democracy. In Libya we stood on the side of the people. And as a consequence there is no doubt that attitudes about Americans have changed." (President Barack Obama, 2012 Presidential Debate, Lynn University, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: FactCheck.org: "Obama said attitudes of US have changed, mentioning Egypt. In Egypt, only 19% view U.S. favorably, down 3 pts since 08." (FactCheck.org, Twitter Feed, 10/22/12)
LIE #10: OBAMA CLAIMED THE MILITARY DOESN'T USE BAYONETS
THE CLAIM: Obama: "Governor, We Also Have Fewer Horses And Bayonets Because The Nature Of Our Military Has Changed." OBAMA: "I think Governor Romney maybe hasn't spent enough time looking at how our military works. You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916 well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets because the nature of our military has changed. We have these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. We have the ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines." (President Barack Obama, 2012 Presidential Debate, Lynn University, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: Fox News' Chris Wallace: " The Marines Still Use Bayonets, So It May Not Be Clear Who Doesn't Understand What The Military Currently Uses." FOX NEWS' CHRIS WALLACE: "Well, as it turns out, in the middle of the debate, after he heard this, a marine tweeted Fox News and said: the Marines still use bayonets, so it may not be clear who doesn't understand what the Military currently uses." (Fox News, 10/22/12)
They are probably sitting right alongside the protesters in Libya that sparked the attack on the consulate.
And all this talk about the military isn't asking for money? As the wife of a Marine who served in Afghanistan, I can tell you they need money. They were on one meal a day for over a month. No batteries for their optical equipment, the list goes on. But they don't need any more money, they can make do - right? How can the president claim to care about the military when some of their basic human needs (let alone functional needs) are not being met?
In looking at the zingers last night it occurred to me the President is dismissive and arrogant. So the real question is will he be able to work in a bi-partisan manner this time? The answer is clear "let me be clear" no way! This is the biggest problem with the partisanship by this administration and the various members in the Congress. We will continue a fast sled ride right over the cliff and to the bottom if we don't clean out the Congress and the Presidency this cycle.
Next
JT
You start with the big LIE. Obama is no Communist. Perhaps you are, since you show no respect for our President.
While Obama did seek to keep 3000 to 5000 trainers in Iraq, Iraq wanted us out, so we now do this training in neighboring countries.
Obama did not ever seek to keep combat troops in Iraq after Dec. 2011.
JT Thanks for clearin up the numerous Obama, as usual, lies. These lies will all come out in the next 2 weeks. BTW..ALL issued military rifles have a bayonet of several versions with them since there are MORE in the military since 1916 there are MORE bayonets.
How about you? My retirement just went WAY DOWN again today!
@shaak322
thousands of businesses went under because they could not secure financing to keep them going when cash flow slowed down. Obama chose to bail out the business that was most in the news: GM.. He saved a lot of incredibly overpaid workers whose pensions and insanely high wages (negotiated by the unions) broke GM in the first place. Instead, he could have shifted toward supporting small businesses and kept the banks out of lockdown mode. Small businesses were folding left and right for ONE reason: cash flow problems.. the economy slowed when the housing market crashed, people stopped buying for a short time, and businesses that were dependent on steady cash flow (which MOST businesses are) could not get loans and had existing credit lines reduced and had to close the doors, even if they were very financially sound companies. Imagine having a company with $10 million in inventory and $10 million in receivables, but your customers can't afford to pay because their businesses hit a slow period.. so you have to go to the bank to borrow to get through it.. you have 20 million in assets, just no cash to make payroll.. but Obama's administration locked down banks from loaning money to almost everyone.. So those companies went to the banks to borrow to make payroll and guess what? They were turned away.. Even the banks NOT hit hard by the exploding housing bubble were told by the government regulators to STOP loaning money until things were sorted out. Companies with positive assets couldn't get loans and they closed the doors or downsized dramatically, and MILLIONS of people lost their jobs..
But at least those guys putting the same 3 screws in a car frame on an assembly line for $32 per hour got to keep their jobs.. that is what is important, right? That GM got to keep making cars that NOBODY was buying because EVERYONE was worried about losing their job.. Obama sure did well there, didn't he.. So, of the ~10 million people who lost their jobs, how many of those jobs were created when Obama printed almost a trillion dollars that the coffers didn't have? Instead of focusing on the core of the economy - small businesses - and helping banks to provide short term loans to those businesses to keep the doors open until the fear generated by the housing fiasco subsided and people started spending money again, he bailed out an industry that had been losing millions every quarter for years. He saved, what, 10,000 jobs? 20? At the cost of hundreds of thousands, and even millions..
This is why, regardless of how much I don't like Mitt Romney, I will still vote Republican across the board. The GOP is not always aligned with what I find important, but at least they put businesses first, which means they put the WORKING population first..
Ask any small businessman what the Obamacare will cost him next year if Obama is re-elected and the plan stands as is.. either you will get an "I don't know" because the plan is so complicated it costs a LOT of money to figure it out, or you will get "a whole lot and people will lose jobs because I can't afford to keep everyone on staff and still spend what I am required to spend" by those who have spent the money to figure out what it really means.
One more note - when you are talking "small business", you aren't talking about mom and pop operations, you are talking companies who hire 10, 20, 100, even 200 or more people. When expenses go up in a down economy, the ONLY way to stay afloat is to cut overhead, which means trimming jobs. It won't just be the GM's and the AT&T's and the Microsofts who will be cutting jobs, it will be thousands upon thousands of small businesses who employ millions of people who will be forced to cut jobs or pay less. And the CEO's of these small businesses don't make millions.. they might be worth it on paper, but these aren't multi-million dollar salary CEO's, they are "joe the plumber" owners who are already paying 35%, plus double social security, plus state and local taxes, and are lucky to see half their salary. When Obama talks about taxing the "rich", these are the people who suffer for it.. When he talks about taxing the businesses, it is these companies who end up paying for his 2.2 trillion in new spending. Don't be fooled by the media hype.
Both of them are career liars and manipulators. There is not much truth to anything they say. Both completely sold out to special interest groups so they can amass as much money as possible in contributions. Vote third party as none of them deserve to be President.
shaak322,
"...since you show no respect for our President."...hahahaha!!
You can't be serious (?)
You mean the kind of respect that I'm sure you (along with the majority of Americans) garnered and exhibited toward the former President Bush?
Freaking hilarious.
Unfortunately we live in (and have cultivated) a society that mocks our national leaders via "Saturday Night Live" skits....get off of your soapbox.
The ever so 'tolerant' liberal, ughh.
I was going to vote third party but instead I just threw my ballot in the trash. It's the same thing!
.... mitt da twit made only one comment that made sense in the debate last nite ....
----------------- I AGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT -------------------------
OBAMA 2012
Best analysis I heard from the post debate analysis teams were the CNN reviews where they basically said
Mitt Romney has changed his position, again, and has the same foreign policy positions as the President.
If this was the primary, Romney would be gone. Since its the general election, the Republican party just does not care. They will never vote for President Obama and the GOP just hates him so much it does not matter what Mitt Romney says.
THAT's why from now until election day you will hear nothing but lies from the GOP. They will say anything to get a vote.
You have no idea what you are voting for, except you can be sure you have not been told the truth.
Remember the 2010 elections, when the GOP was going to give us jobs bills? Can anyone point to ONE jobs bill (a real jobs bill, not the kill the ACA bills) that the GOP has proposed and passed ?
If the GOP is promising to lower your taxes, you can bet they will go up. If the GOP promises to secure Medicare and Social Security, you better believe they want to end them.
THAT is the reality with the GOP.
That was a good zinger, but when he went on to explain what an aircraft carrier was I found him far too condescending and insulting.
@US1stpoltics2nd
How is it that I have a feeling that you are just another troll trying to act like he's in the military. The crap you spew is troll speak, nothing more.
You just joined and all you do is spew vile insults and BS. You're no soldier, you're just a troll.
Spordlaw
I never called Bush a communist or fascist or a socialist. I did not question his patriotism. I did not question his religious beliefs. I did not repeat lies about him and I did not make up lies about him.
I did question Bush's policy decisions such as running up the deficit and invading Iraq while weapons inspectors had gained unlimited access to Iraq's suspected weapons sites. I questioned his preparedness during Hurricane Katrina as his legal advisers debated Federal authority in mounting rescue operations.
I stand by my criticism of JT for lack of respect towards President and his lie about him being a Communist.
Dave K
The auto industry stood to lose about one million jobs. Obama saved them. His stimulus ended the recession in six months. This saved many businesses and many jobs.
The auto industry is a special case. Bush policy of allowing fuel mileage standards to lapse instead of extending them to SUV's on light truck frames led the auto industry to produce many more high profit, gas guzzling SUV's than they otherwise would have produced. When gas prices hit $4/ gallon as our economy fell into a deeper recession in summer 2008, it is obvious that the Bush policy towards fuel mileage standards directly contributed to the auto industry's plight.
When government policy contributes to an industry's failure as in this case, it is only being fair for the government to try to make up for this policy failure.
Yeah coco, his bayonet crack was cute but wrong. That's what liberals are best at.
On that same note, since norman thomas has been president, to a greater or lesser degree, ever since 1932, don't you think that it's time for a change?
I'll be writing Ron Paul in for president.
The so called "fact" checkers must be liberals.
Scott 55117
Sheryl, do you understand the difference between fewer and none?
Scott, the difference between "fewer" and "none" is just ONE of the things right-wingers don't understand.
Say logic required, do vote. A vote for the third party or Ron Paul has more effect than a vote for obama/romney. There are less of us and the democrats/republicans always strive to get our votes.
You need to be smarter than they are. Have you noticed that neither obama nor romney has made any effort to get the black vote! Why? Well obama knows they are in the bag, so he doesn't need to and romney knows it's a lost cause.
Norman Thomas ran for president until he achieved everything that he set out to get, He won and I don't think that he ever got an electoral vote.
Kind of funny how someone above found it disrespectful for people to refer to GW Bush as Dubya. The first time I remember seeing it was when I was watching the nightly news and saw the pic of one of our tanks that had a phrase "Dubya's Justice" or something similar painted on the muzzle of a tank. So if that is disrespectful, then maybe our military didn't get that memo.
Yes! How dare anyone disrespect the lieing, illiterate, coke-addled, dry-drunk, imbecile George W. Bush.
Tsk tsk tsk shame on you...
So Romney loves Obama's foreign policy so much, he has suddenly become a blathering fan of his ideas. No flip-flopping there eh? Next, Romney implements Obamacare for the nation. Next, Obama is pro-choice. Next, Obama was the best president ever. Why thanks Romney, tell your base again, why they should vote for you. Is it your severe conservative side, or your severe liberal side?
RedDev, I noticed that on Mittens comments on Syria ... he had nothing new. Just echoed the comments of the President.
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Hi Layton and RedDev Our Mittens was quiet agreeable tonight, as if he were in an echo chamber.
No mitt said something very dangerous "he would arm our "friends" in Syria". Now even though, being Jewish" I want Hassan overthrown, Im sure that nobody in their right mind would suggest that Syria needs "more guns". Both sides would probably use them against Israel. Im sure even Isarel would want us to arm more syrians (no mtatter which side they are on). Mitt really has no clue about foreign policy. Im not saying that Obama is "perfect" (note the shooting in Libya, we eve nhave shootings at Malls and movie theatres in the US- would they blam e the president for those shootings. Foreign policy is very complex( and Im sure Obama knows that) - the shoot from the hip mentality that G.W. did clearly didnt work
The World was Laughing at Romney, he looked so Funky !!!!!!!!!!!!
The consolation prize for Mitt ....is... he still has all the money in the Swiss bank.
Consolation prize hell, why is it Romney and his fellow GOP friends advocate bankruptcy for corporations, yet when it comes to people filing bankruptcy, he advocates against it? People are corporations, so according to the Romney philosophy, people should simply restructure their debt, get a clean break, and start over again. Newt has done it, Trump has done it, yet, Romney will prevent any other citizen from declaring bankruptcy. The two-faced prick is at it again.
RedDevPS ...
A to the men! Our country is not a consolation prize (not dissing you Pigotry!). Advising bankruptcy when you truly don't need it ... shameful!
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If anyone thinks Iran is going to lay down with just sanctions, that is a dangerous position. They are still conducting trade with several Asian countries and may not be as weak as you think. Just keep giving them more time like they want. The war with Japan in 1941 began after extended sanctions were imposed. Iran would like nothing more than to wipe the infidels off the face of the earth and has repeated that several times. Obama just doesn't seem to take it seriously enough and more time should have been devoted to that topic.
Is it? From a recent editorial in the Boston Globe:
The Iranian economy appears to be teetering on the brink of collapse, thanks to a chokehold of unprecedented international sanctions. On Monday and Tuesday, Iran’s currency lost 40 percent of its value. Protests have erupted in Tehran over the skyrocketing price of food. On Thursday, the regime arrested more than a dozen people on charges of manipulating the rial, Iran’s currency. The country’s central bank can’t shore up the rial with foreign reserves because much of those reserves — stored in banks overseas — have been frozen by the sanctions.
On Monday, Iran’s Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi called allegations against Iran “baseless” and “colonialism in a new shape.” But he also raised the possibility the issue could be resolved by negotiations, despite the failure of previous rounds of talks. “Each time that the two sides came close to some kind of mutual understanding, somehow it was disrupted,” he said. “But we have not lost hope.”
But Iranian people don’t seem to be buying it. “Down with this lying government,” merchants in Tehran’s central market reportedly chanted. Other reports indicate that some protesters held signs reading, “We don’t want nuclear energy.”
The Iranian people are in pain. The cost of basic goods, including food, has risen 80 percent in the past year. There is a risk that Iranians will blame the West, rather than their own government, for their hardships. However, the suffering that comes with sanctions is less than with a war. As long as there is a chance that heavy sanctions might lead to a halt in Iran’s enrichment activities, sanctions should be pursued over plans for a military strike.
No, the sanctions are working just fine, thank you! And, as the article above notes, it causes a helluva lot less hardship than a war with Iran would.
MsnNBC - the new Liberal spin room. Incredible!
Mitt Romney lies more that Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton and George w. Bush combined. Romney stands for NOTHING other than winning this elections. He has no backbone, no core, no principles.
Obama sunk Romney's battleship last night.
Obama failed to explain why, some two weeks after the Al Qaeda attack in Behghazi, he and his staff were still spinning the fairy tale that it was caused by a 17 min film clip that was anti-Mohammed in nature. The blame game was clearly intended to hide the reality for political purposes when the State Department had full knowledge within 24 hours that this was a TERRORIST attack !
Obama thinks if he ignores terrorist attacks, they will simply go away and he can be re-elected.
Jimmy........I asked Bin Laden what he thought of your comment...he said...Gurgle gurgle blub blub!
Anyone notice how relieved Romney was each time he got to go SECOND on a question?!
That way he didn't have to "remember" his position on the issue for more than a few seconds:
Romcorder-in-chief; OK the president is speaking - RECORD - oops now he's done - quick REWIND --- OK my turn now - PLAY!!!!
What a freakin joke.
'Governor Romney has suggested that being president of this country has a lot to do, to a certain extent, about character, ....I've been President here for nearly four years, and I can tell you without hesitation: Being President of this country is entirely about character. Character and Leadership mean you stand on a side for something and citizens can trust and understand the side you stand on even if they don't agree with your stance. You have to be steady. Governor Romney has been anything and everything BUT steady. You cannot lead America in forty different directions at the same time and you cannot take one stance with a constituency and then take a completely reverse stance with another. That's NOT leadership.
The Governor falied the CIC test completely last night and it had nothing to do with anything he'd memorized - it had everything to do with Character and his total lack thereof.
Obama/Biden 2012 - Real Leadership - Real Character
Significant and frequent intelligence "leaks" coming from HIGH within this administration does not constitute "Real Leadership". The Pakistani doctor whose information was a KEY to identifying Osama Bin Laden is facing 20 years in prison because of security leaks. Members of the Navy Seals were also "leaked" !
ConcernCitizen
You have been buying Republican and Romney lies for so long, you cannot even begin to see the reality that exists in the world. Fox News fantasies and Limbaugh lies and hate radio really don't prepare their devotees for living in the real world.
Some samples of the right wing LIES:
Rampant voter fraud, a President that does not meet Constitutional test for citizenship, a President who wants to run the auto industry, a President who is Muslim, a President who is socialist, a President who is un-american. And now the mainstream media is part of the liberal conspiracy against Americans. Really?
Who was it on Obama's Inauguration Day that plotted to make Obama fail even if it meant making America fail? Who was it that said "stimulus doesn't work" after supporting it for Reagan and Bush II? Who was it that said Iraq would deteriorate into chaos without a continued American presence there?
The Republican Party did or said all these things, yet they pretend they are the true Americans. Only Republicans can be true Americans. How's that for capturing the spirit of democracy?
I beg to differ. Obama is the real American here. Democrats put country first. Republicans put Party first.
Support the Party that puts country first.
OBAMA, Democrats 2012.....putting America first.
One of the most disturbing moments came when moderator Bob Schieffer of CBS News asked: "Would either of you be willing to declare that an attack on Israel is an attack on the United States, which of course is the same promise that we give to our close allies like Japan? And if you made such a declaration, would not that deter Iran? It's certainly deterred the Soviet Union for a long, long time when we made that -- when we made that promise to our allies."
This was a flawed question. The far more important question is: If diplomacy and sanctions and covert operations don't stop Iran from getting the Bomb, would you fully support Israel if Prime Minister Netanyahu feels he has no choice but to order preemptive military strikes on Iran.
Nevertheless, President Obama accepted the premise of the question and replied, "I will stand with Israel if they are attacked." Mr. Obama tried to portray himself as a strong ally of Israel throughout the rest of that answer and the entirety of the evening. But consider his answer more carefully. The President did not say unequivocally that he would stand with Israel in a preemptive strike on Iran, if that were the last option available. Rather, Mr. Obama insisted he would help Israel after Iran attacks the Jewish state. But if Iran attacks Israel with nuclear weapons, it would be too late for American military assistance to do much good. Indeed, it is immoral for an American president to vow to defend Israel only after she has been attacked with nuclear weapons. Yet this is the President's position.
Romney didn't need to attack Obama to show he is a failure, Obama lie about his relationship with Israel, Obama lie about his success in Meddle East. Obama repudiate Romney for his trip to Israel to see BB and have a fundraiser diner, but Obama left the White House when our Consulate in Benghazi was attach to do another fundraiser in Las Vegas. Romney show his knowledge of the situation in Meddle East, he knows Obama is death and congratulate Obama even we know Bush got the information that link to his carrier , but he also mention even with his death AlQaeda is arising , something Obama wants to deny.
Ronmey intentionally lost in order to win the election that is his main goal.
Ronmey Commander in Chief 2012
lololololol Oskar, Oskar, Oskar
he lost in order to win, lololololololol
that is the definition of desperation.
Romney had a severe case of Romnesia last night. He has romnesia so severely he thought he was President Obama last night.
It only appeared that way. Romney wanted it appear that way. He morphed into Obama. Reason: he can't reveal his true foreign policy. If one really listened too him, one would have realized that he wants a world economy. He wants a partnership with China. he wants open free trade with Latin America. He promised to create 12,0o0 new jobs, but he sure didn't commit to them being here in the USA. His economy is not the economy of the USA. He could care less about the people; just the international economy.
Fed- But if Iran attacks Israel with nuclear weapons, it would be too late for American military assistance...
Since Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons (as the Israeli's agree),and Israel does,we don't need to worry about that.
Mitt first thing outta the door …
"We can't kill ourselves out of this mess"
Then …
"My strategy is to kill them, to go after the bad guys, to kill them and take them out of the picture"
Two minute Mitt! That's the fastest flip EVER!
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Ah, you caught that too, Layton. That is the Romney Tsunami for ya.
Romney Tsunami ....
PERFECT!
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The RWNJs think it is a term of endearment. It really means a wipe-out of the middle-class, the middle-east ...
RedDev.......I had a couple of chuckles from the Pres.with, bayonets and horses and my favorite comparing the 1916 Navy to the 2012, ......we don't have battleships, we now have ....aircraft carriers that planes take off and land on, we have ships under the sea, submarines, nuclear submarines. Wonder did Romney feel stupid after he got that dropped in his lap?
He said we can't kill ourselves out of this mess after Obama had already said it first.
GBM - ships under the sea was one of the funniest lines of the evening. Poor Romney had no response. Of course Romney wants to spend 100s of billions on new ships, above the sea. That seems to be his only foreign policy. Oh, another notable; foreign policy is not a game of Battleship <trademark>. Seems the Mattel Ken 'President' doll molded in plastic, just fantastic, just isn't current with the times.
Annie, Floirda ... punkin ... Transcripts. Sorry darlin' it was and is Mitt's mess.
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I'm hardly a 'punkin', dude.
I was just saying that when Romney said we can't kill our way thru the Middle East like it was totally his own position, Obama had already made the same statement. Not arguing about the flip flop...just the fact that Romney initially totally agreed with what Obama said while acting like he hadn't said it.
After saying "we can't kill our way out.", it was all kill our way out.
Romney went back on all his positions, embraced the Presidents positions, and then stated that we need a leader with a clear message. What message, Mitt? Don't withdraw, no withdraw...Libya good, no Libya bad...fear Egypt uprising, no don't back Mubarak. Which side is it, etch-a-sketch? You are not a leader Mitt Romney, you follow.
RedDevPS
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LOL, who would be with a loser like MYTH Romney?
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Layton-3733410
Layton,
I noticed MYTH got his geography wrong.
Mitt Romney's Nonsensical Middle-East Geography
During the debate tonight, Mitt Romney mentioned that Syria is important because it's Iran's "route to the sea." The thing is, Iran doesn't even border Syria, as you can see our childishly-annotated map above. And Iran already has access to the sea on its southern border.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/romney-iran-syria-route-sea-map.html
Was Willard using a Fox Noise map?
http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/live-20090727.jpg
"Un-useful Idiots" Worst than Sarah Palin and Russia! Yuck, Yuck
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To bad we still use bayonets though
A marine twitted thay still do use bayonets. It was a good line though
It was an excellent line!
Yes, our fleet is smaller than it was in 1916 - but consider the state of the art in 1916. Would any of the warships in 1916 stand up against those that exist now?
As for:
"My strategy is to kill them, to go after the bad guys, to kill them and take them out of the picture"
What the hell do you think Obama has been doing?
June 2012 - Yahya al Libi killed (senior al Qaeda leader in Pakistan)
September 2011 – Younis al Mauritani captured (senior al Qaeda leader in Pakistan)
September 2011 – Abu Hafs al-Shahri killed (al Qaeda’s chief of Pakistan operations)
August 2011 – Atiyah Abd al-Rahman killed (Al Qaeda No. 2 in Pakistan)
May 2011 – Osama bin Laden killed (Number 1 Al Qaeda, and worlds most wanted)
June 2011 – Fazul Abdullah Mohammed killed (top al-Qaeda operative in Somalia)
June 2011 – Ilyas Kashmiri killed (top al- Qaeda commander in Pakistan)
June 2010 – Hawza al Jawfi killed along with 6 other terrorist (leader in Pakistan)
May 2010 – Mustafa Ahmed Muhammad Uthman Abu al-Yazid killed [aliases Shaikh Sa’id al-Masri and Mustafa Abu al-Yazid] (al Qaeda’s No. 3)
April 2010 – Abu Ayyub al-Masri and Abu Umar al-Baghdadi (Top two Al Qaeda operatives in Iraq)
March 2010 – Qari Mohammad Zafar killed (terrorist leader in Pakistan)
February 2010 – Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar captured (The Taliban’s top military commander)
February 2010 – Sirajuddin Haqqani killed (militant commander in Pakistan)
January 2010 – Qassem al-Rimi, Ayed al-Shabwani, Ammar al-Waili, Saleh al-Tais, Ibrahim and Mohammed Saleh al-Banna killed (Al-Qaeda military boss and senior Al-Qaeda figures in the Arabian Peninsula)
December 2009 – Saleh Al-Somali killed (senior al Qaeda operative in Pakistan)
September 2009 – Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan killed (ringleader of an al Qaeda cell in Kenya)
OMG you're right ! Romnesia again maybe?
"To all" about horses and bayonets, the president said we "have less" (a lot less to be exact) not that we don't use them anymore.
Decades ago when I was in the Army we used our bayonets as throwing knives. Also can openers.
EEngineer....Great post.....The republicans have Romnesia as they try to forget how susccessful president Obama's anti terrorists campaign has been doing. President Obama as Commander in Chief, has led team america to pick off those terrorists where ever they hide. Killing Bin Laden should be celebrated by all Americans, yet republicans hate the facts he is dead. They would rather have Bin Laden alive so they could complain President Obama was not doing his job.
Just like Obama pointed out, Romney wouldn't even look for Bin Laden, then Romney said he would have made the same decision as the president. If Romney made all his decisions after the facts as a monday morning quarterback he could succeed. That of course is not reality. Romney is a failure because of his lying and his flip flops.
Obama said "we use fewer bayonets and horses too". He did not say that we no longer use them.
It doesn't matter what he said bigdogg, he can now take his stand-up act on the road because he is out of his day time job. LOL
lol haha funny! but true!
Big Dave... "because he is out of his day time job" 'Today was tomorrow yesterday, so don't inhale.' Mel Blanc
Ken... "Obama could barely spell foreign policy" Really? Were you ever president of The Harvard Law Review? No? I didn't think so. "When people who are honestly mistaken learn the truth, they will either cease being mistaken or cease being honest."
armurray... "So does Obama realize that the US marines still use bayonets?" I'm pretty sure that he does as there Marine guards all over the White House. Anything to start a pissin' match, huh?
jscusmc69... You should seriously consider some professional help. "Anger dwells only in the bosom of fools." Albert Einstein
Look at the poll vote of the mititary, its about 70% Romney, why do you think that is? Know alot of soldiers, they respect the office , they despise the man. He does not have their back, in fact has a disdain for what they do. If I'm wrong tellme why 7 out of 10 are Romney supporters.
Bulldog-Look at the poll vote of the mititary, its about 70% Romney,..
Not sure that's true at all:
Update: Armed Forces Show Overwhelming Support for Obama
By Michelle Martinelli on October 22, 2012 9:10 AM
Update, Oct. 21: Fundraising numbers for the month of September show Obama continuing to dominate when it comes to contributions from the military. The new data, which came in after the story below was published Oct. 15, show he raised $142,197, just a shade less than he collected in August, his strongest month with this set of donors. Romney brought in $111,015 for his best month ever with military donors, but that was still 22 percent less than Obama received.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2012/10/armed-forces-show-overwhelming-supp.html
Myth talks - women walk! I was watching the debate on CNN and almost any time Myth spoke, the yellow line (women) undecided voters in FL went negative!
How many lies can one man spew? I'm glad the President stood up to the GOPer talking point lies!
By the way, why does Iran need Syria for sea access? Myth doesn't know his geography!
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I plan on talking with family this morning about last night. Mitt was awful, Obama was awful. Obama on the other hand I can't see him getting us killed. Mitt on the other hand scared me. Anyone that does business overseas, Mitt seemed like the greatest guy to get. How he talked last night I can't afford family to get killed over retarded things.
I think GOP needs to be allowed to have a new person running. Mitt will likely win because they have started the cheating again this year. The throwing the ballots out and missing with the election machines. He doesn't look like he will help either side.
Obama From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
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Obama Tonight: 'I will stand with Israel if they are attacked'
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What will Obama do if Israel is attacked by Muslims??
He wont attack Iraq like the other dumb ass!
So, HopeisGone, how about we post the entire quote and see what reality and context can do to your ridiculous lie...
Source: http://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/obamas-dreams-of-my-father/
Gawd, grasping at straws HopeisGone? Trying to divert from Myth's atrocious performance in a debate tonight? Is this the latest Karl Marx Rove straw man?
The president will make an intelligent, well reasoned decision and take action. Just like he has for the last four years.
Good he!!, Hope ... go grasp at those straws. Our President is a formidable leader. For you and your racist comments ... do you even know what the Muslim religion embraces? Do you think they are all extremeists? Please take off the tinfoil hat and remember Timothy McVeigh ... he so represented white, Chirstian, Americans ... ???????????????????
Get a grip.
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Romney supports democracy around the world, and he and his "silent investment" company own the voting machines to ensure that happens. How odd, Iraq just voted Romney as president in all their precincts.
HopeisGone
Do you think posting the same post again makes your LIE true?
see Coracii's post again!!!
Mitt was sweating a lot tonight. As for your question, if Mitt were in charge he would, in his own words, 'kick the can down the road and hope for the best,' and sweat.
Romney is saying what his handlers tell him to say. Should he get elected, God help us, the lower income will be no income and middle income will become the new low income. Money breeds money and Romney and his cronies will get more.
Ray//that works both ways..both candidates have people advising them what to say..how the heck do you think Obama got thru the first year? no foreign experience, he had people who have been around advising him..its been that way for a very long time, and will be for the next President and so on..
But Romney's foreign advisors (dispite his flip-flops tonight) are 17 out of about 20 of George W. Bush's neocon military advisers. If elected which way do you Romney will actually act? Neocons in power again, salivating at their chance to launch another war - this time against Syria and Iran!
Ray,
If that is true, that money breeds money, it would indicate that poverty breeds poverty as well. I say, 'If you can't feed em, don't breed em!'
HopeIsGone: Come to the light! Leave the Dark side and your Despair & Stagnation slogan. Come to Hope & Change! We'll welcome you!
And read posts 1.7, 1.12, 5.2, & 5.6--they COMPLETELY contradict your WRONG quotation. Don't you want to feel better? Do you really WANT to wallow in Despair & Stagnation?
David Myers-3782120
David: EXCELLENT POINT! And well worth remembering. 17 out of 20 of Romney's foreign advisors are George W. Bush's neocon military advisors. If you're tired of expensive and pointless foreign wars--do NOT vote for Romney!
Bil........ROMNEY HIRED 17 of 24 of his advisers from the BUSH REGIME!!!!
Did you like ignoring 911 and all those people dying?
Did you like Thousands of troops dying in Iraq when this group of advisers knew there were no WMD in Iraq, and Cheney wanted no bid contracts for Haliburton for war profits. No Plan in Iraq when they caught Saddam and Iraq was overrun by thieves and terrorists taking weapons and bombs to be used against Americans later. No proper body armour , etc....FAIL
Did you like Bush flying off to McCain B Day party and campaining when Katrina struck, Did you like the crashing of the economy ? If you do ....you don't care about America!
andy blackwood, "cant feed'em, don't breed'em"
If you can sum up a position of yours with six words (and I am giving you a lot of leeway by using the term words) and have them rhyme....you just qualified yourself to run for office.
The crashing of the economy happened on President Obamas watch. Starsailor....give credit where credit is due. You surely can't be that stupid.
What kind of a loser are you anyway? You were already quickly disproven (#1.12) when you posted this the first time, so you try to sneak it in again with (what you hope are) a new batch of bloggers? RepubliTARD=LOSER.
O & Joe 2012 Vote like your life depends on........because it does!
So the answer here by the "progressives" is forget the country President Obama will save us...just like he has my fellow 23 million unemployed Americans? Forget the fact the Democratic leadership in both Houses ignore his budget and any budget for that fact. Forget the fact that we are in the worst shape of most of our lifetimes as a country. Forget the fact that we are about to be paying higher taxes in an economy that has shrunk the average wage earner by $4000.00 per year. Lets just go back to letting the same moral pygmies in both parties continue as before...with little or no respect for this President...after all he has earned it by being absent from the process. Lets just party while the Republic burns...is that about it?
Dismissed.
Man of Steel... "The crashing of the economy happened on President Obamas watch."
Huh? Could you say that again? I mean... with a straight face? On which planet do you reside? Oh, right, Krypton. Well, when you come back to Earth...
No righties tonight they must see the writing on the wall
Romney already won! ...and he definitely was more Presidential tonight!
Started drinking early and often Hope?
Romney's only presidential side displayed was LIC (liar in chief);, WIC (whiner in chief); DIC (denier in chief). Well, you get the point .. anything but CIC, COMMANDER IN CHIEF.
Hope is another rereg troll. Ignore the troll!
It was a me too night for Romney! He knows zero about foreign policy so he decided to just show up and say me too. I can imagine Mitt in school peeping on other kids papers to glean the answer. He agreed with the president on the withdrawal from Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran policy, drone policy, entering Pakistan to get Bin Laden, before tonight he disagreed with the president in all these areas.
Romney lost big time. If you vote for this extreme right right tea party Candida, you are not paying attention.
make up your mind capt smash.. we already know MSNBC's " Political Analysis" Bias..why bother answering here where the Gene pool needs a thorough cleansing..
Obama is on his way out. His policies are failing and he looked desperate last night.
Diamond60
Romney is on his way out. Romney was the one looking desperate. He was agreeing with President Obama last night, when obviously Romney didn't know where he stood on anything. Flip flopping again.
Also what policies are failing? Please enlightlen us, with facts please.
I stated after the first debate that Obama would get stronger as the debates went on (he could hardly do worse after the first one) and by the end of the third debate Romney would look lost.
If I do say so myself, I NAILED IT.
So bigdog by nailing it.. you mean how the President lied about Libya in the 2nd debate. If that is getting stronger we are in trouble. the American people are not stupid and we will remember the whoppers the President told especially the one that involved the Ambassadors death.
duplicate, deleted.
NBC "Truth Squad" what an F'n oxymoron!
Bush was the epitome of arrogance and dismissiveness. Ask the family of any member of the military who died in Iraq. My heart goes out to any family member who has lost a loved one in a needless war, whether Iraq or Viet Nam.
Yeah, shrub had so much political capital to spend after the 2004 election, he privatized social security! NOT!
Don't we all appologise for Bush? Cheney? Please tell me who doesn't.
i apologized for Bush/Cheney, i apologized for Obama/Biden, i apologized to the world for Nancy Pelosi...still..i apologize to China for borrowing all their money..here's some change back.
If anyone ever needed to be apologized for it was bush, so if Obama did that it was for a purpose and not just to make someone happy. Get a life Mitt(or brain), you don't have a clue As to what is really going on.
I agree Steve,
America has been perceived as arrogant and dismissive during the Bush administration. A lot of damage was done. I believe that Obama has done an excellent job restoring credibility. But of course voMitt wants to revert back to the good old days of table thumping and "my way or the highway" and frankly, that is no way to conduct a foreign policy. But the right wing nutters will never see it that way. None are so blind that don't want to see. On on top of that it was plain and obvious that voMitt had no idea what he was talking about. He rattled of all the names of political factions in Syria that he had drummed into him during the weekend by his debate coaches. He really showed that none of these were his own original thoughts when he mentioned the that the Navy has shrunk their number of ships to a 1917 level. If he had just thought about that for one second, he would have realized how dumb that statement was. He has now clue whatsoever. And that extends to his economic policies as well. He keeps boasting about his record in private business. All he did at Bain was buy, leverage, strip and flip companies. Good for his share holders. But not good for job creation. Now he's going to call China currency manipulators on his first day in office, and he's going to level the playing field. No mention of how he's going to accomplish this. Just idle boasting is all. Again, he hasn't got a clue.
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I live in the same moderate district as the Tillman family. Pat Tillman gave up his football career to serve his country.
If you ask his family about bush/cheney all you get is a long string of curses!
California, with 12% of the population suffered 22% of the casualties in Iraq. More than anyone else.
"California, with 12% of the population suffered 22% of the casualties in Iraq. More than anyone else."
What exactly does that mean? Does it mean Californians were targeted? Does it mean they were really bad at their job and died more often as a result? I am confused as to what your statement offers to this conversation..
For the record, Americans as a WHOLE, supported going into IRAQ by over 80%.. that includes liberals.. See, we were UNITED as a nation, and as a nation, we wanted to go into IRAQ and Afghanistan if necessary, and get vengence for what was done. President Bush stood in front of the nation and said this was NOT going to be something that is over in a year or two, that if we go we are in it for the long haul. It is the AMERICAN population who forgot this when the cost started adding up, both in money and in lives. YOU VOTED for it. I know I did, I sure as hell hope Romney did.. Now that it is unpopular, however, the focus is on getting out of the middle east. And pointing fingers at how much it cost us to be there in the first place.
The presidential election is a popularity contest, and when the population changes what it wants, the candidates have to follow or they will lose. This is why politicians flip flop, and if you don't think that they BOTH are doing it, then you either have a short memory or you can't see past president Obama's really good ability to speak.
Concerning the apology tour. It is correct to apologize when wrong. Romney would have the U.S. perfect in every respect. No one but a bigot believes that.
Bigot lmao Obama is the biggest bigot along with Rev wright! Tell u what why dont u left grow a set an try defending your country besides defending a coward like obama, Who takes credit for Bush's policies in respects to killin Bin laden, And yes advanced torcher got the answers to bin laden's location, oh but wait he's against the use of such things along with the rest of you, U people are the type who make my fellow soilder's an i look bad , an your commander an chief has made us all look week!!!!! 101st
US1st,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,your post really makes you look bad. Your C-I-C has been your biggest fan and supporter for you and your fellow soldiers.
No one makes you look bad, least of all your Commander In Chief. Only you can do that, and if you want to be more respected....show a little towards others, and learn to spell.
TELL ME HOW HE HELP US OVER HERE? Actually we have read an seen where he has bashed us limited my men , he wont even change rules of engagement when our gen plead with him to do so on capital hill, an what happens we are shot daily due to lack of man power , he pressumes to know whats best then he should give the Real Brave men of America a fighting chance but know he'd rather look good to you while we pay !!! know your facts over here b4 , i suggest turn msnbc, cnn, and fox talk to soilders at the airport their's your answer!
Without appologising, we have aske the UN to monitor our election. Monitors from Europe for an election in America! How exceptional.
Julia: When the UN monitors elections in newly formed democracies, one of the main ways they judge the fairness of elections is comparing exit poll results to official voting tallies. Corrupt election officials can tamper with the vote count but they cannot influence the exit polls. If there is more than 1-2% difference between the exit polls and the vote totals, it indicates significant voting fraud.
In the 2004 US election where electronic voting machines were widely used for the first time, there was significant discrepancies between the exit polls and the reported voting totals. Even more suspicious, almost all the discrepancies were in favor of the Republican candidates, which would rule out random machine errors. Add in the fact that most of the voting machine manufacturers were Republican-owned, and they refused to allow their software to be inspected by independent experts, and you have a pretty good case for the need for independent election monitors.
Yea, they will be monitoring in seven swing states I heard.(This election)
Setting up your ego defense mechanisms early ? You libs must be expecting Obama to lose if you are fabricating your conspiracy theories early ! LOL !!
Maybe, but people can lie in exit polls and say they voted for the other guy.
Nope just checking the facts, as it's been the republicians that have been trying to surpress voters. Trying to change early voting, voter laws, & lets not forget throwing away voter registration.
There were international election monitors during the 2004 elections too. None of them were allowed in the polls in Ohio. Diebold is based in Ohio.
20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA
If there is one thing we've learned from this election cycle it's that when the Republicans can't win on the merit of their beliefs, policies or positions
They will lie.
So it is NO SURPRISE that Democrats are predicting the only way Republicans win this election is by CHEATING.
and now jim is acting like preemptive preparation for cheaters is some how acceptance of loss?
I can't stop laughing. I see he has NO comment about whether or not Republicans across this land are cheating? Like in Florida voter registrations? Or in New Jersey where registrations for Dems are being thrown in the trash?
yeah,...let FREEDOM ring - as long as it peels for the R's, right?
I think it takes a certain type of sleazy to undermine democracy by CHEATING. And it speaks to the 'win at all costs' mentality these R's seem to have. If you can't beat 'em, cheat 'em. And that is what they do!
Let's see, during the last election our soldiers fighting overseas experienced delays and their votes didn't arrive in time in the U.S. to be counted .... Nov, 2010 as I recall. Oh yeah, Obama was President and most of the soldiers do not support his weak leadership .... imagine, their votes not being counted !
Obama didn't apologize to other countries for America .. he apologized for bush's ignorance .... H U G E difference .... bowing to another country states-person ... any diplomat should know what do in other countries out of respect and honor ...
OBAMA WAS MAGNIFICENT LAST NITE IN THE DEBATE ... AND ROMNEY AGREED SO MUCH ON OBAMA'S STATEMENTS HE MAY AS WELL HAVE TOLD THE COUNTRY HE ENDORSES OBAMA ... that was hilarious !!!!!
OBAMA 2012 ... CUZ MITT ENDORSED OBAMA !!!!
Just FYI....the FBI interrogator of KSM said in an interview that KSM gave no information after the CIA took charge of the interrogation (waterboadring), so this notion that the information to kill OBL came from torture (notice the correct spelling) is just wrong. Regardless of the right wing wet dream that the information to get OBL was done during the Bush years, is just that, a wet dream.
UBL was used by the military. See "No Easy Day"
Good Nite Mittins it's to to go home and go to sleep until 2016.
Ann has already ruled 2016 out of the question. She worries about Mitt's mental stability when he loses this election. I worry about the same if he should win the election and I don't even like the guy.
There you have it! From his own wife! Is that really who you want as president?
Oh, I forgot...
Grover Norquist:
"All we have to do is replace Obama. ... We are not auditioning for fearless leader. We don't need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don't need someone to think it up or design it."
Well, that's waht you would get with Romney: a robo-signer!
For one that has traveled overseas a lot I can attest that the U.S status has improved worldwide since 2008. Also I partly agree with Obama's statement which is referred to as an apology, he was simply stating the facts in that in many instances we are arrogant and dismissive. You know kinda like the bigger and older kid in the sand box.
Been to Libya lately.
Libyans overwhelmingly support the US, as it is with Obama in charge.
None of us are sad to see the old Libyan regime go, but Obama took us into a war all by himself, undeclared and with no consent from congress. Presidents are not kings, he doesn't get to start wars all by himself. He should have been impeached for his unilateral action. Is this really the model we want future presidents to follow?
your a bold face liar to say its better world wide im here the hell it is
their is more unrest in the world since the time of ww2 FACT
Ditto, Ed. People from this country who have never spent time in other countries have no idea how much Pres. Obama has elevated the status of America in the eyes of the people of the rest of this planet. We were an arrogant nation.
People throughout the world don't hate our values. They deeply dislike our arrogance. They resent the fact that we tried to ram our way of life down their throats and impose our parochial sense of justice on their cultures.
Agree with each oth if u like , fact is violence is up accross the world IE (Middle East)
In My View:: Oh, did he take us into Iraq and Afghanistan? What war did President Obama take us in to?
And someone should get you home because there is nothing else you can do overthere. Nothing. The whole thing is too big and too old. You belong here working to rebuild Ameica. We need you at home.
Obama didnt get us in a war but he murdered over 1000 us troops since his big pull out announcments thats really being a leader , " he guys were are going to decrease our troops monthly ,terrorist come on in a kill at will"!! Thats what happend ! The man could have save half those live by shutting his mouth but no mr popular has to be on TV the view or whatever show , And Mr obama never compare yourself to JFK he was a great president you are a Joke trying to be MLK an JFK what a joke he is!
Suzie: That would be Libya. A sustained bombardment of a foreign country with the purpose of overthrowing the government can be considered nothing other than a war. Also, if it was up to Obama, we would still be in Iraq.
US1stpoltics2nd said:
"Blah blah blah... fact is violence is up accross the world"
"accross ? the world?
Yet another illiterate, right-wing, flat-earther heard from.
lokay5 said: Yet another illiterate, right-wing, flat-earther heard from.
and one who is fighting for your right to be an ass!
~~If you're not outraged by the direction of this country, you're just not paying attention~~
Sal_C2006:
You're right! Get those treasonous TPRepubs out of congress. Vote dem or traditional repub, but get the Norquist loving TPrepubs outta' there.
the English came out by the thousands and cheered when Obama visited them.
The English called Romney things like:
That steaming pile of Mitt.
That Mittwit.
Who is raising the status of America in the eyes of the world?
AND did you notice that after Benghazi--there were several PRO AMERICAN demonstrations by the Libyan people themselves???? Something we NEVER saw under Bush and never would under Romney!
us1st, you apparently do not know the difference between violence around the world, and our standing with the rest of the world. Our standings with the rest of the world, is not the cause of the violence in the rest of the world. Please learn the difference.
Obama was extremely small and very unpresidential.
Really????
He presented his points and spoke for this country.
Mitt smirked. You so shoud admit that the man cannot look Presidential ... his "off face" is condenscending.
The Mitt Smirk ... "I'm not you and thank God you're not me" face ..... UGH!
Obama/Biden 2012
cgent:: President Obama stood tall this evening, just as he did at the second debate. Mutt Robme was the one who was extremely small and very unpresidential.
cgent, your reflections of the debate are a bit off center. Maybe you need new glasses. Nah, you won't be able to get them through Medicare if Lyin Ryan has anything to do with it.
Obama's closing statement was gracefully convincing. Romney was never convincing. Too bad really, the Republicans could have fielded other candidates...
But they're all in the good old boys club, everything is working just fine, no matter who wins. Life under Obama is still, pretty good.
It wasn't even about the smirk, the blinking and looking like he was going to have a heart attack on stage.
I agree he DID look like he was going to have a heart attack !
Towards the end Romney seemed to be getting flustered. If only they had some more time, he might of even started crying.
cgent: "Obama was extremely small, etc."
Perhaps you need a larger TV screen? Or an attitude adjustment?
cgent47
Obama was extremely small and very unpresidential.
OBAMA LOOKED 100% PRESIDENTIAL AND COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF ... Romney looked like Obama just sunk his ship .... lmfao ... and Romney agreed with Obama sooooo many times throughout the nite, he may as well have endorsed Obama !!!!!!!!!
OBAMA 2012 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! endorsed by Romney!
Romney has a five point plan for prosperity. Obama has a one point plan. Lie about Romneys plan.
Ouch, cgen is mad because Obama exposed Romney's 5 point plan to a one point plan. Rage on, cgent, rage on!!
cogent -- You flunked math I see and your eyesight isn't very good either. That was Romney that looked small and "unpresidential". You need to have your eyes checked and maybe that will improve your math.
Obama/Biden 2012
cgent:: Mutt Robme has five points-- and he hasn't let us in on any of them. It's a big secret-- elect him and he'll ship every dam job out of the US to China and invest in the companies that he does that to. After all, he has already done that-- on a smaller scale.
Yea, I still remember Nixon's secret plan to get out of Viet Nam that he couldn't tell anyone about. Lie and B.S. and sneak out the back door while they are still confused. OMG
NOT AGAIN !
Obama 2012
cgent ... romney has a 5-point plan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that changes every single day .. which point to u believe ... which day do you believe it ???? Romney endorsed Obama last nite ... his best statement "I AGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT"
OBAMA 2012 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ENDORSED BY ROMNEY
Fox News Flash: Romney 3 for 0
Touche' APatriot. They do call themselves fair and balanced, just like the guys that bring brass-knuckles to a fist fight.
APatriot1 ...
Honey, it's FOX! the Democratic party concedes that the first debate was yours. The other three ....
NNNNAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Obama/Biden .... 3 up one down! :)
If foreign policy experience was the clincher, then Obama would have clearly lost to McCain in 2004. The biggest threat to this country is the debt hole we keep digging ourselves into, and Obama hasn't done ANYTHING to address it. He even completely ignored the recommendations of his own panel, the Simpson-Bowles commission. Only Romney has any chance of fixing our debt mess.
But, but, but, the deficit keeps shrinking. Oh lawdy help us as Obama keeps reducing the deficit and debt. Of course the Romney plan adds trillions to the debt and doesn't balance the budget for 8 years (as if that will ever happen). Romney could care less about debt, as evidenced by his non-leadership at Bain. Romney will only force bankruptcy.
What country are you from? The debt is not shrinking, we're still adding to it, a lot. And every analyst agrees that will be the case for as far as anyone can project until the house of cards collapses. Obama has done nothing to even put us on a path to address the deficit, much less the debt. Obama had his chance and he did nothing. Time to let someone else try, someone who has actually balanced a budget in his lifetime, which Obama has never done, not as president and not before.
Our "debt mess" is because of a far right wing Republican Congress that wouldn't pass, much less even consider, any legislation which would help the economy unless it included add on legislation involving religion or restrictions on women's rights. The House is full of old, ignorant white men who don't give a damn about any of us. They pander to whatever wind blows the weather vane.
No need to get racist and sexist here. The truth is that congress has been addicted to debt for the last 50 years! Through good times and bad, even during those times when the economy was red hot and money was gushing into the treasury, congress managed to spend all the money, and more. It didn't matter what party was in ... it was spend, spend, spend us into a hole. There was always another program to fund, another "good work" to do. Well, we've been sucking the life out of the future (our children's, of course) for a long time. That is the worst kind of selfishness, sticking it to those who won't even be around until after we are gone. Real nice! If we are to avoid total collapse, fixing the debt has got to be the top priority. At this point we can't afford a "feel good" president. We need a serious, adult, hard-nosed manager, regardless of race or gender, to get our house in order. If we don't, we soon won't have a house left.
in my view - what planet are you on? It was the republicans who stopped all revenue hikes and want tax cuts for the rich so again, what planet are you REALLY ON?
Danno - and all the rest of the liberals,
The key to fixing the deficeit/debt problem is to grow the economy. Adding additional taxes while implementing a regulatory environment that stifles growth in GDP will not fix the problem. Class warfare is not an answer, but is a good rallying cry for those who cannot understand the principles of macro economics and how that affect micro economics (US).
Obama DID NOT IGNORE the commission. Remember this?
From
Representative Paul Ryan was a pivotal figure in killing the 2010 Bowles-Simpson agreement, which Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney now holds out as a model for putting America’s fiscal house in order.
The 18-member panel needed 14 votes to send a 10-year plan to trim the debt to Congress for a vote. As his party’s then- ranking member on the House Budget Committee, Ryan led a bloc of three House Republicans who denied the additional votes needed.
All three Senate Republicans on the panel backed the plan and one of them, former New Hampshire Senator Judd Gregg, said he believes the House Republicans who rejected it were beholden to an argument by anti-tax advocate Grover Norquist that the measure was tantamount to a tax increase.
“All of the House Republicans were disproportionately affected by the Norquist group on the issue of tax reform,” said Gregg, now a senior adviser at New Mountain Capital LLC. Ryan “clearly was the leader” of House Republicans in setting the terms of a grand debt bargain, said Andy Stern, a panel member and Democrat.
Ryan, now Republican Mitt Romney’s vice presidential running mate, was joined by Representatives David Camp of Michigan, Jeb Hensarling of Texas and four Democrats in opposing a blueprint that would have reduced the federal debt by $3.8 trillion through a three-to-one mix of spending cuts and tax revenue increases. Ryan’s support would have likely drawn votes from Camp and possibly Hensarling and made it all but impossible for the president to reject a plan created by his own self- appointed commission.
The total debt is down to 2006 levels and has been going down for 3 years. In 2006 it was going up!
Where did all of this debt come from anyway? Reagan, Bush, and bush/cheney are responsible for 94% of our national debt.
Class warfare? Warren Buffet has said that class warfare is real, and his class is winning.
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InYourView: "Only Romney has any chance of fixing our debt mess."
How do you know that when Romney refuses to show his tax returns? Perhaps Romney has a "debt mess" himself.
It is too bad that MSNBC does not have a better fact checker. There was no apology tour. What the President said in the Middle East and France was true but it was not an apology. Too bad you could not bring yourselves to face that. Factchck.org did. Politfact did as have several other factcheck groups. They were able to speak the truth.
And Bill Clinton said "I did not have sex with that woman"....
He did, via his rhetoric, apology on multiple occasions and even more disconcerting...
Bowed to the Saudi King....
Did you know that Islamic protocol is that only those subservient to the Saudi King bow to him?
How is that portraying the strength and position of the US to the world?
Go read the transcripts.....he apologized on many fronts, including religion....
"The US is no longer a Christian nation" is just one quote...(He is wrong on this!)
All I know is we need to vote everyone out that is in office. Republican and Democrat. Our economy is in the toilet and the President has failed on his promise to lower unemployment to 6%. He said himself if hecouldn't do that in 3 years in office he wouldn't run for re-election. Guess he told a Big one .
By God, SHEPHERD you're right! The president should have slapped the Saudi King right in the face, and said " you may be a KING in your land, but I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! Now down on your knees before me, or I'll have my military kill every man, woman, child, goat and dog in your flyspeck of a country!"
That would have sure showen the strength of the US, and all countries would have respected us, and sent us rich presents, of course.
Seriously, SHEPHERD, you're out of your century. You'd have been happy in Germany, in say 1939. LOL
As for the aplogy tour, Odumbo must think we all have a very short memories. He did in fact tour Asia and the Middle East making derisive statements about everthing that the USA has done in the past 100 years except the Invasion of Normandy.
You all have seen the photos of him bowing down to every tin pot despot but the Burger King. Now, that's my kind of President.
Sickening!!!!!
Telling the truth shows character..AND strength.....very proud of our President.
I didn't see Obama talk about how the Pakistani doctor that helped the U.S. get Bin Laden is now in a Pakistani prison for 20 years. Obama's security leaks come from high levels in his administration and they have endangered the lives of the Navy Seals as well.
Jim.
I would not expect to get any help from others when we hang them out to dry as soon as their usefullness is over.
Nov 6th will be the day Mitt will be elected. Obama can retire and write another book that I won't purchase.
how funny you are..ohio is the key and Obama won it tonite when romney lied about the auto bailout
Never underestimate the power of owning the ballot box software. We have only 15 days to expose this horrible breach of confidence.
The UN has been called in to Monitor this American election. No foolin. America needs Monitoring.
And they will be in OHIO too, go figure!
Uh, Gary ..... hate to break it to you genius, but OBAMA LIED about the GM bailout ....which, by the way, was engineered by the Obama administration to screw GM bondholders in violation of normal U.S. bankruptcy law !
Yes, GM went bankrupt anyway ! Yes, Romney favored a managed bankruptcy with U.S. loan guarantees and the so-called liberal "fact checkers" have passe on this one because it proves Romney is correct and Obama lied.
Obama needs to quit trying to "INVEST" our U.S. dollars in pipe dreams. He doesn't know what in the hell he is doing and ALL of his investment choices have been bad ! Some 19 of the 35 "green energy" companies he has invested in have already filed for bankruptcy.
Here is what the guy who ran the bailout has to say about Romney, and it ain't pretty.
Delusions About the Detroit Bailout - NYTimes.com
Not once did romney talked about the veterans..Obama talked about us many times.. thats the gop for you send you to war and hate you when you come back
Obama i have your 6---a 100% disable combat veteran
superb post. Thank you for your service, we do have a duty to the vets
Gary, you're an idiot. When I returned from Viet Nam, it was the Democrats who were spitting at us.
Repubs voted against most vet issues. But worse, they ignore the troops because they did not send them on a clear mission and now they hope we will forget.
I won't. W has a living hell- he can't even go out in public. Painting Dogs in the dog house
InMyView - that is a mistake, regardless of party, that America made. Atoning for that mistake is what we do. The Vietnam Memorial will never heal that wound, but it is an offering. It is up to you to take it or leave it. But don't translate that into today's political environment. Democrats are the ones that continually work for benefits for veterans, acknowledgement for their superior representation of this country, and money to provide safety for the troops. It is the GOPTP that want to continually cut funding for safety, medical care, and other needs of those in combat, and of those returning from battle.
I was adamantly opposed to going into Iraq, even when the rest of the country seemed hell bent on having a good war, including the Democrats. And the truth is that if it was up to Obama, we'd still be there. The only reason we're out is because the Iraq government wouldn't let us stay. And Obama did escalate the war in Afghanistan considerably. How well do you think that is working out?
InMyView .. sorry bucko, the rest of the country was not hell bent going into Iraq. The country was scared @!$%#less of Bush, Cheney, and Rove. That, was a mistake that we also recovered from, and it took direct challenges to his administration. Come to find out, democrats and all those opposed to war should have stood stronger. When you are faced with neighbors willing to turn you in for treason, you get careful in your objections. If you doubt that, ask the Germans, or more closer to home, ask the US WWII population and their fighting the government on sending the Japanese to concentration camps.
Red, I suspect you're either too young or too old to remember. The country was in a war frenzy after 911, and if you look at the congressional vote count for approval of the Iraq war, you'll see that very very few in congress didn't support it. Of course, the democrats later turned tail and tried to deny any responsibility. "But but but Bush lied to me ... I didn't know ..." Bull@!$%#! I stood out loud, clear and strong against the war. Members of congress had a responsibility to do the same or accept responsibility for their actions. GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY!
Bucko .. I don't need a lecture from you to remember 9/11 or Vietnam, and I now suspect that you don't remember either. Ya see, there was this little problematic piece of legislation passed by Bush that threatened Americans with detention at Gitmo for speaking against Bush. His speech of 'for or against us' will go down in history. Thank God, we still had WWII vets alive speaking out against it, otherwise his chest thumping may have taken full control. Now what would you know about WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and the other conflicts after? Careful with you answer, I happen to know a thing to two about the military, including the warning from Eisenhower on the military industrial complex. I also know a thing or two about the mindset of military career individuals.
In My View:: When you returned from Nam, it was not just Democrats spitting at you. In fact, I bet that no one asked any of the spitters to what party they belonged. You are so crazy that I hope to God you forget to vote-- you just might write in Mickey Mouse for president. He is more your speed.
In My View:: You suspected that somebody was too young or too old to remember. Well, you might not have been too young, but you have all the symptoms of AIT.
Red, you dance around the fact that the democrats went right along with approving the Iraq war, and later turned tail and tried to avoid responsibility for it. They are as guilty as anyone. You can talk about WWII and Korea and the Patriot Act (I didn't support that) all you want, but the fact remains that the democrats were right on board when it came to going into Iraq. So you were scared and didn't want to speak out? Your silence is not excused. I'm not saying that you personally are guilty of supporting the war, but clearly the democrats in congress are!
Susie, instead of just throwing mud, perhaps you can add something to the discussion?
In My View, After I completed two consecutive tours in I Corps, Tricky Dicky was President. What war were you in in Viet Nam? USMC 1965-1969
I don't think 'In My View" was anywhere near Viet Nam in his LIFE ,
or he has Alzheimer's syndrome either way he is full of it.
He is trying to "air brush history" just like Romney OMG are you really the MITTINS posting ? just asking!
Forget your meds Danno ? Personal attacks say more about you than the person you attack.
You don't HAVE A CLUE whether he served in Viet Nam or not !!!
InMyView:
So you're voting for Obama? Cause he was one of the few that voted against going to war with Iraq.
I heard about the spitting and was apprehensive when I came back, but there was none of that.
Those were radical times and many people did things that they later regretted. We are all doing our best to put that behind us.
Support the troops. They did not make the policy. It was those chickenhawks bush/cheney and their lies. 935 verified lies in fact.
Bush/cheney lied 935 times before the Iraq Invasion. They lied to Congress too! That is how they got the Democrats to vote for the war. When the truth came out the Democrats changed their position.
Do you remember cheney's hand written note saying Plame was fair game? Are you ok with him outing a CIA agent?
Study: Bush, aides made 935 false statements in run-up to war - CNN
Gary,
Thank you for your service and your sacrifice.
Disabled Veterans never stop giving.
My Father was a DAV, Korean War.
You belong to a proud, exclusive club.
Those darn Republicans voted AGAINST our returning vets jobs bills--YET AGAIN! ;^(
InYourView: In your post 20.2, you insult Gary saying, "Gary you're an idiot" and then turn around and accuse Susie of "throwing mud" and not "adding to the discussion."
There are none so blind as those who will not see. Pot meet kettle.
To blearyeyed
"So you're voting for Obama? Cause he was one of the few that voted against going to war with Iraq."
Actually, then Senator Obama did NOT vote against going to war with Iraq. Although several democrats claimed to be against that war, there were very few who actually voted against it and Obama was NOT one of them. Maybe he was absent that day. It's easy to check the Congressional roll call vote.
Actually guys and gals, Obama was against the "War in Iraq", but didn't vote on it as he didn't get into the US Senate until 2004 (we invaded Iraq in March, 2003). Just FYI.
wow- I never thought I would hear a recon admit that Obama has done everything right on foreign policy. I have also heard a lot of repubs also admit that some tax increases have to happen to balance the budget- like Simpson Bowles that Ryan squashed.
Let's stick with O for another 4 years. Everyone is doing better than 4 years ago and in 4 more, they will all think they are rich and vote repub.
Everybody is doing better than 4 years ago? You are so ridiculous. You should stop smoking weed. Lets get rid of the incompetent Obama.
So vote for Jill Stein.
Very true OMG Vote Democrat 2016
Looks like the liberals learned a trick from the McCarthyites of the fifties.
If a group or individual disagrees with you on any topic whatsoever, anything, just hysterically, angrily start screaming BIGOT! BIGOT! BIGOT! Solution for everything! Don't need an ounce of reason involved.
I believe you mean, the TPGOP hasn't changed a bit since the '50s. Communist, Socialist is what is angrily screamed from the right, every day, every minute. Do you see the left digging shelters in the backyard. Nah, we only see the right buying guns by the dozens. If liberals were vulture capitalists, we would be making massive amounts of money on the sale of firearms.
This is the pot calling the kettle "black"
No sh!t sherlock! How often have I heard the GOP angrily screaming "commie!" "socialist" "marxist" "muslim" "kenyen" "racist" AND "bigot! bigot! bigot!" about Obama?
You can dish it out, Capitalist, but you sure CANNOT take it! Hilarious!
How often MAXWELL have I heard the left scream racist bigot astroturf liar idiot need I go on?
Well, when the GOP/TP get rid of the racists in their midst, then there will be no need for the left to claim racism. Pretty plain and simple, really.
Romney clearly had his "just attacking me is not a policy position".
Huh? Questioning your opponents policy flip flops and record is attacking? I thought this was a debate. Clearly a meme he's trying to get going. Or maybe he's just to thin skinned for the presidency.
Reminds me of that hysterical Youtube Britney Spears fan, except here one could say: "Leave Romney alone!!!" (mascara running down face)
President Obama is the statesman I want to represent America, not Mitt Romney. Romneys do not relate to struggling Blue Collar Americans and what Veterans go through, working Americans, and the "47 per cent ters". None his family are currently officers or enlisted. They don't know "how" it is. For those of you still thwarting President Obama is Muslim -you are ignorant in thinking so. But -go an vote Mitts as is is reflective of the divide republicans want in America.
OBAMA 2012
Are you smoking crack? Obama is a joke. He is the worst president since Jimmy Carter. Our national debt is twice as high and out unemployment is beyond acceptable. You actually want 4 more years of this? Sorry, it is time for a change. Goodby Mr. Obama.
Romney/Ryan2012
Joetheplummer:: Tell me something. WHY did George Bush start TWO wars and not figure either of them into the budget? That was so that his budget and deficit would shine. When President Obama took office, he put the cost of Shrub's TWO unfunded wars in the budget-- usually when you do something like that it reflects on the books. Oh, and don't forget the UNFUNDED Medicare Part D program. I agree that Mutt will solve the unemployment situation-- start another war or two and send everybody elses' kids to fight them. And while the boys are at war, the women can play Rosie the Riveter.
Hey Joe the Plumber, you've made two responses that reflect drug use. Maybe you protest a bit too much, or you are on drugs.
The debate was not about illicit drug use. It was on foreign policy. It seems that Mitt, the Draft Dodger hasn't a clue what foreign policy has to do other than proselytizing for his church in a foreign country.
The English on Romney's foreign policy:
What a Mittwit.
That steaming pile of Mitt.
Do we really want a draft evader to send our sons, daughters, and grandchildren off to fight a war?
If Mitt wants to start wars, enlist his 5 sons as foot soldiers in the Marines, then he can start all the wars that he wants.
When you say "draft evader", do you mean someone like Smilin' Joe Biden who had 5 or 6 deferrments and looks like his brain surgery was a failure !
baliman... Try looking up the military records of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. It seems that during the Vietnam 'conflict' Cheney "had other priorities" and Bush simply walked away from the National Guard. "Mission Accomplished", indeed. P.S. Lotsa' luck finding "W's" records.
Accusing BA of apologizing is the cheapest of cheap shots. Unfortunately Americans overseas made some bad mistakes, blunders which reflected on the entire country in the eyes of many. BA had enough courage to admit what was wrongly done and take responsibility, but he didn't grovel or apologize as MR would have people believe. Big difference to admit mistakes and take responsibility. Sorry Mitt, you loose by underestimating the intelligence of Americans, and I particularly resent yr cheep tactics.
Tom, who is BA? It is BO. Talk about intelligence from an einstein like you? Romney is the man.
Joetheplummer:: Romney is the man? The man of what?
Again, tell me one person who does not appoligize for Bush/Cheney.
I can tel you Julea, I don't apologize for the Bush/ Cheney years. This country was safe and secure then and well respected. Not one leader from another country would dare treat them the way that these two knuckle-heads are treated. Then Obama has the audacity to send the wicked witch from the east around the world on his behalf, and people are suppose to take him serious.
Romneasia again, remember 9/11/2001 we were attacked after Bush was warned !
do you guys remember anything?
Those who refuse to remember HISTORY are doomed to repeat it!
The warning was vague, unspecific and gave no details.... if that's the best you got, then maybe you can fill us in with specific details of who, what, when and where. Or maybe not ?
I remember that Clinton had Osama in his hot little hands and gave Osama a mulligan. Look where it lead.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/14/hank-crumpton-cia-clinton-bin-laden_n_1514895.html
You mean the warning that Al Qaeda was training terrorists to fly jet airliners into buildings? The warning that Condoleeza Rice had for MONTHS? Was that the vague, unspecific and detail-free warning you're talking about, jim?
http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/10175-remembering-that-george-w-bush-was-amply-warned-before-911-and-did-nothing-absolutely-nothing
Really Jim, this has been known for years. If you haven't heard about it, that's on you.
Sorry Rowdy, I read your "commentary" and it is the most disorganized, inconclusive, out-of-sequence mish-mash of bits and pieces of quotes from others ..... that is somehow supposed to lead to a conclusion of who, what, when, where and how. The concept of flying planes into buildings, per your citation, was a concept from Australia !
Present something credible and I will read further ... thus far, you have failed. But then again, you libs will try to crucify Romney for something Bush did or did not do ..... while at the same time giving Obama a "pass" on ignoring attacks on our Libyan embassy in April, 2012, and June, 2012 while turning down requests for additional security ! The Obama administration FAILED to provide adequate security for Ambassador Stevens and that is why he is dead ! Even the facility itself, did not meet standards set by our government.
BigDave: " I don't apologize for the Bush/ Cheney years. This country was safe and secure then and well respected"
Ummmm...with respect, Davey, did you ever hear of 9/11? Is that really your definition of being "safe," "secure" and "well respected," I'll take Obama/Biden!!!
jim: "The Obama administration FAILED to provide adequate security for Ambassador Stevens and that is why he is dead ! Even the facility itself, did not meet standards set by our government."
I don't think you really want to go there, Jim, because--as Biden pointed out--Congressman Ryan and House Republicans voted to cut the federal budget for State Department security around the world.
"This lecture -- on embassy security, the congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by three hundred million dollars below what we asked for," Biden said.
Whoopsie!
Hey Hammer.....Biden was "hammered" in the Wall Street Journal last Sunday for his comments. Did you not pay attention to the Congressional "hearings?" When asked 'point blank,' Charlene Lamb said that money (funding) had nothing to do with it. Get informed.
Have we all forgotten the photos of Odumbo bowing down to the Middle Eastern Kings and Sultans?
He is distrusted by Asian and European leaders. He is treated with scorn my the Middle Eastern and Arabic potentates.
Great job of leadership.