When the poll numbers are so close, it is more than troubling that Tagg Romney now owns HART intercivic, the company that owns the voting machines in Ohio, Colorado, and other states. These machines are proven to be easily hackable and there's no paper trail. These same machines provided a middle of the night 5 point shift from Kerry to Bush in 2004, a statistical impossibility. The software cannot be inspected because it has been deemed proprietary.

So... the first post is a great one, and then some moron brings politics in...

regardless of polls

This recently retired from 22+ years in military and living in VA individual will vote for Obama for the first time.

romney's tax plan cut numbers do not add up - I'm convinced that tax cuts - trickle down will not work -- this and the effect since reagan. we need a pragmatic balanced approach that get us more revenue via tax reform or tax increase in some way plus hard choices on spending cuts to include the military.

To a balance and long term sustainable fiscal place "everyone has to take some pain for their "wants".

plus after the last decade the "warhawk" talk scares me and should others

not all that happy with either choice, but going for the less likely potential damage.

The real problem is congress and the extremes and I must say I'm for getting into a balanced fiscal state - but do not beleive the tea party / norquist extremes is good for us...

Yeah they're really diverse, both ivy league educated millionaires.

Obviously, the majority of voters who will vote are not captured by some poll; therefore, no one knows the true outcome till election day.

John:

Great link. I could have sworn that Gallup was wrong in 1980. Everybody else was.

Repeatedly saying that tax cuts can be given to everyone while remaining deficit neutral would be a Romney one liner which has no substance and doesn't make him a strong candidate. Unfortunately, it may influence a likley voter who would believe such nonsense.

Truedat - the supposed 'job creator' has so much disdain for the American people, his company has not even stopped outsourcing jobs to China. Right now, in Freeport, IL, Bain Capital is closing down a profitable manufacturing plant, and is going to lay off all the American employees. http://bainport.com/

They are so arrogant, they didn't even wait until after the election. They are banking on the stupidity of the voting public, and with polls tied, there are no shortages of stupidity.

We're workers at Bain Capital-owned Sensata, 2520 Walnut St, Freeport, Illinois. We're fighting to save our jobs from being shipped to China by the end of this year. We are calling on Mitt Romney to come to Freeport, IL and we will camp across the street from our plant for as long as it takes!
For more information or to get involved email us at cnkwin2@gmail.com
To send us some pizza love call Logan's Bar & Grill (815) 232-4592"

These are not unemployed bums. They have a job - until Bain closes the plant. While Romney talks about saving American jobs, Bain Capital continues outsourcing American jobs to China. Why is this not headline news? It is in direct contradiction to every political stance Romney has firmly stated. (Yes, I know he has not committed to much.)

The GOP has become the paid lapdog of billionaires. They can't even see that it's destroying the country. Some examples of corporate welfare gone nuts. 6 members of the Walmart family are worth over 100 billion dollars.Their workers pay and benefits are so low that these people often still qualify for foodstamps and medicaid. So you've got the taxpayer paying the benefits of working poor as the Walton family net worth goes up another 10 billion $ a year. Caterpillar corporation is doing extremely well, something like 6 billion in profits last year and it will be more this year. They decided they were going to insist on a pension freeze and 6 year pay freeze for their workers. The workers went on strike for 4 months but you didn't hear much about it in the corporate owned media. The workers finally agreed to this unfair concession rather than lose their jobs. So now when this worker (who was promised a pension and cheated out of it by Caterpillar) needs assistance after retirement, it will be you and me will that will foot the bill for it as taxpayers. I could give you examples like this all day long.

SteelerNation1 - you would make a far better arguemnet if your dismissive points about President Obama weren't filled with falsehoods and simple opinion. Examples:

1 - "Apology tour" has been debunked many times

2 - President Obama has ordered staff to review disarmanent options only. Nothing has happened.

3 - Funny how Gov. Romney has stated publically that he would follow the same polical/trade course that is currently in effect through President Obama's policies.

4 - I'm sure you know that the Obamacare Plan is based on "Romneycare" and was in fact first proposed by the Heritage Organization? Yet, the bi-partisanship was missing simply because of the decision by the Republicans to deliberately obstruct the President?

5 - "More than doubled it" is a lie.

6 - Check your facts, sir. The refusal to provide additional funding for security was made by both Republicans and Democrats. I also suggest you actually read the transcripts and subsequent discussions on literal statements.

I could also go on. But my point is made that your post is factually incorrect and opinion based rather than a true discussion of the situations you specified.

Bev: I do not care how you post. Just keep it up; You and Feisty are my favorite reads.

4 more 4 44

How many facts would one have to 'get wrong' before they ran up SIX TRILLION dollars in debt without a passed budget .. in Less Than Four Years?

HOW DO YOU SUPPOSE MITT ROMNEY IS GOING TO "RESCUE" US FROM THE HOLE? I will tell you how: He will CUT all the social programs. YOU ALSO WILL BE AFFECTED. all of you that are yelling "Fiscal Responsibility" don't come back crying "Where is the Government help"?

if you get hit by hurricanes, floods, CRIME or some other disasters. YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN. Mitt Romney is promising you to cut EVEN MORE the already strained police force, teachers, fire department, etc. GOOD LUCK IF YOU GET MUGGED, YOUR CHILDREN NEED AN EDUCATION, OR YOUR HOUSE GOES ON FIRE.

Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are MILLIONAIRES they do not have to worry about what they are going to do about health care or long term. BUT YOU WILL BE ALL ON YOUR OWN. GOOD LUCK IF YOU VOTE REPUBLICAN!!!

Here is the endorsement from Salt Lake City Tribune and no one could have put the pros and cons of each candidate more succinctly than this newspaper (except of of course president Clinton during the Democratic Convention). I encourage all the Americans to read it and decide why extending the contract for President Obama for four more years is good for the country, good for women, and good for the world. If we as Americans do that, we would be on a renaissance to American resurgence like we had under President Clinton.

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Salt Lake City Tribune endorsement: Too Many Mitts and Obama has earned another term

First Published Oct 19 2012 12:13 pm •

Nowhere has Mitt Romney's pursuit of the presidency been more warmly welcomed or closely followed than here in Utah. The Republican nominee's political and religious pedigrees, his adeptly bipartisan governorship of a Democratic state, and his head for business and the bottom line all inspire admiration and hope in our largely Mormon, Republican, business-friendly state.

But it was Romney's singular role in rescuing Utah's organization of the 2002 Olympics from a cesspool of scandal, and his oversight of the most successful Winter Games on record, that make him the Beehive State's favorite adopted son. After all, Romney managed to save the state from ignominy, turning the extravaganza into a showcase for the matchless landscapes, volunteerism and efficiency that told the world what is best and most beautiful about Utah and its people.

In short, this is the Mitt Romney we knew, or thought we knew, as one of us.

Sadly, it is not the only Romney, as his campaign for the White House has made abundantly clear, first in his servile courtship of the tea party in order to win the nomination, and now as the party's shape-shifting nominee. From his embrace of the party's radical right wing, to subsequent portrayals of himself as a moderate champion of the middle class, Romney has raised the most frequently asked question of the campaign: "Who is this guy, really, and what in the world does he truly believe?"

The evidence suggests no clear answer, or at least one that would survive Romney's next speech or sound bite. Politicians routinely tailor their words to suit an audience. Romney, though, is shameless, lavishing vastly diverse audiences with words, any words, they would trade their votes to hear.

More troubling, Romney has repeatedly refused to share specifics of his radical plan to simultaneously reduce the debt, get rid of Obamacare (or, as he now says, only part of it), make a voucher program of Medicare, slash taxes and spending, and thereby create millions of new jobs. To claim, as Romney does, that he would offset his tax and spending cuts (except for billions more for the military) by doing away with tax deductions and exemptions is utterly meaningless without identifying which and how many would get the ax. Absent those specifics, his promise of a balanced budget simply does not pencil out.

If this portrait of a Romney willing to say anything to get elected seems harsh, we need only revisit his branding of 47 percent of Americans as freeloaders who pay no taxes, yet feel victimized and entitled to government assistance. His job, he told a group of wealthy donors, "is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Where, we ask, is the pragmatic, inclusive Romney, the Massachusetts governor who left the state with a model health care plan in place, the Romney who led Utah to Olympic glory? That Romney skedaddled and is nowhere to be found.

And what of the president Romney would replace? For four years, President Barack Obama has attempted, with varying degrees of success, to pull the nation out of its worst financial meltdown since the Great Depression, a deepening crisis he inherited the day he took office.

In the first months of his presidency, Obama acted decisively to stimulate the economy. His leadership was essential to passage of the badly needed American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Though Republicans criticize the stimulus for failing to create jobs, it clearly helped stop the hemorrhaging of public sector jobs. The Utah Legislature used hundreds of millions in stimulus funds to plug holes in the state's budget. The president also acted wisely to bail out the auto industry, which has since come roaring back. Romney, in so many words, said the carmakers should sink if they can't swim.

Obama's most noteworthy achievement, passage of his signature Affordable Care Act, also proved, in its timing, his greatest blunder. The set of comprehensive health insurance reforms aimed at extending health care coverage to all Americans was signed 14 months into his term after a ferocious fight in Congress that sapped the new president's political capital and destroyed any chance for bipartisan cooperation on the shredded economy.

Obama's foreign policy record is perhaps his strongest suit, especially compared to Romney's bellicose posture toward Russia and China and his inflammatory rhetoric regarding Iran's nuclear weapons program. Obama's measured reliance on tough economic embargoes to bring Iran to heel, and his equally measured disengagement from the war in Afghanistan, are examples of a nuanced approach to international affairs. The glaring exception, still unfolding, was the administration's failure to protect the lives of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans, and to quickly come clean about it.

In considering which candidate to endorse, The Salt Lake Tribune editorial board had hoped that Romney would exhibit the same talents for organization, pragmatic problem solving and inspired leadership that he displayed here more than a decade ago. Instead, we have watched him morph into a friend of the far right, then tack toward the center with breathtaking aplomb. Through a pair of presidential debates, Romney's domestic agenda remains bereft of detail and worthy of mistrust.

Therefore, our endorsement must go to Barack Obama, the incumbent, a competent leader who, against tough odds, has guided the country through catastrophe and set a course that, while rocky, is pointing toward a brighter day. The president has earned a second term. Romney, in whatever guise, does not deserve a first.

Bad news for Obama.

If NBC has them tied using the artificially skewed polls that dramatically over-sample Democrats, it probably means that Romney is ahead by about 5% - In fact, Gallup, which had a strong Democratic bias in 2004 & 2008 has Romney ahead by 6% nationwide. Rasmussen, who had the best record among major pollsters for 2004 & 2008 (and the least biased) has Romney ahead by 4% in the all-important 'Swing States'.

PS - Marist, who NBC uses for its polling, has one of the worst track records of all the major pollsters - in fact, they projected Kerry winning in 2004 by 1%, but Bush actually won by 2.4% - a whopping 3.4% error.

''Here is what I will say, If four Americans get killed it is not optimal---Barack Obama''

Karma is a real biatch isn't it obumbo?

I keep wondering how the American public can believe the lies of Lying Ryan and Mitt when they flip-fop all over the place from one debate to the next debate? How ignorant and ill informed they are to believe this swill!

Beverly,

Your hateful rhetorical lies make you and your base look really bad.

I have been on newsvine a while and, as an independent voter, it is post like yours that make me swing to the right....you show the true colors of a liberal .

You definitely know how to disenfranchise your base. That is why your polls are shifting...joe public can smell liars, haters and loud mouths preaching intolerance.

Instead of BASHING YOUR OPPONENT in the face with LIES how about speaking with civility and telling us President Obamas strengths.

You speak very slanderous and foul mouthed, you lie and scream your hate, and so does your base, and that is why it is going south for you.

Ticked off in Ohio,

The sad part is that only about 1/5 of the voting public watched any of the three debates so far and yet have made up their minds by being ill informed as to what the candidates want and stand for. Of course, with the republicans changing their stance from debate to debate I can see why I wouldn't watch, but then I know the facts and how they are all over the place trying to win votes from poorly informed voters!

Tea Sucks:

I too read that article and then reflected back to something Hilary said, "Candidates need to appeal to their base, during the primary, in order to get on the ticket ."

Given the 2010 Tea Party landslide against O's presidency, it is no wonder, Mitt had to adapt to some degree. It is disappointing, but that is how politics work.

I am a fiscal conservative, social moderate...Romney, then and now,...still represents me. I see the bigger picture.

Steelernation 1,

Romney's plan Trickle, trickle trickle? It didn't work for bush and it won't work for Rumdumb. It will bring us even closer to the Great Depression bushwhacker almost brought us to!

Not A socialist,

I'll take a Socialist over a member of a religious CULT any day!

Unemployment peaked at 10% in 2009 and is now under 8%.

The US Debt has been dropping for three years and is now down to 2006 levels. In 2006 the debt was going up!

Housing starts are at a 4 year high!

House prices are going up. My mortgage is now above water.

The biggest and most successful stimulus happened in the 1930s under FDR. FDR was elected 3 times because of that stimulus.

A stimulus package modeled on FDR's New Deal has been sitting on Bohner's desk for months. Why do republicons hate America so much?

Shhh! Remember what O whispered to Putin? Oops, mic was still on.

Sure, and I remember what Romney said about 47% of the American people too. OOOPS, mic was still on there too.

It's a shame they are politicizing Bengazi.

Uh, Beverly, it's called foreign policy, and foreign policy is an integral part of politics. What you really mean is that you don't want anybody to talk about it because it involves yet another big f**kup by Obama.

And, oh yeah, NBC way to go. Every other poll has Obama trailing by 5-7 points, but you call the race even. Barry will be very pleased with you!

Shosyn,

Talk about smell. I live within the Lying Ryan District here in Janesville, Wisconsin and we have smelled his lies for almost a decade! We ran him out of one of his town hall meetings because he couldn't answer the questions we asked him. He had no answered. That is his plan: Lie, don't defend and walk away! Do You really trust those beady eyes?

miklkit:

All this said, the rocks are still slipping, under your and my feet, on the looming fiscal cliff. Ever one of your points will crumble in an instant, if we don't address the large elephant in the room. USA ECONOMIC DEBT!

Govt_Issue,

"The President is 0/2 in the debates."

Such is the power of ideology to blind one to the facts. Obama kicked Romney's ass in the last debate. Everyone knows that but you and maybe Faux Noise.

Clwyd,

You are from Janesville? Amazing, I have never read that in your 1000's of posts.

Tonybeerm:

100% of us are at risk with O's allegiances and sneaky behaviors. The so-called 47% won't have to worry about that comment, when there is no money to cover the benefit checks for all 100% of us.

Jody-1593626: The “Romney Tsunami” is surging through the heartland of America.

Yes, it sure is! And, like the Dumbya Bush Tsunami, if this lowlife Magic Underwear Cultist is elected, this version of the GOP-Policy driven Tsunami will destroy our economy again -- and we'll all think we were hit by a TSUNAMI - just like we were with Dumbya!!

clwyd-2621393, yeah right, YOU KNOW the facts...Haaahahhha...Priceless!!!

Go back to swillin down that kool-aid clwyd...lol How do you figure that only 1/5 of the voting public watched the debates so far?

You need to go back and take a remedial math class.

Say BYE BYE OBUMBO!!!

Ticked off, do you think four killings in Libya ARE optimal? Look up the definition.

Hey fielden, do you have any reading comprehension skills?....OBAMA SAID THAT...NOT ME!!!

LIVING PROOF FOLKS...FIELDEN IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE LIBTARD VOTER BASE!!!

THE STATEMENT MEANS OBUMBO HAS NO COMPASSION WHAT SO EVER THAT 4 PEOPLE DIED...THEY'RE JUST NUMBERS TO HIM!!!!

You need to go back and take a remedial math class.

Right! Because it is obvious that you REALLY UNDERSTAND THE MATH OF THE GOP: ThE NEW YORK TIMES SAID THAT IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE, BUT I AM SURE THAT YOU think that you are smarter than the New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/opinion/mitt-romney-needs-a-working-calculator.html?_r=0

That is the problem with the GOP: They have many ignorant people that think they are "correct"and live in a bubble.

Obama kicked Romney's ass in the last debate. Everyone knows that but you and maybe Faux Noise

Mickey, how does the blinding power of ideology work again? I said the President did better in the second debate, but still did not 'win it'. He didnt answer the questions, but rather stuck to his talking points. Go back and look at it. BTW, lovely reference to Fox News. I dont watch it, or read from their website.

The CNN moderator did everything she could to protect the President...notice the number of times she interruped each person...I think it was something like 29 to 8. Not to mention her flat distortion of facts. I watched the President go over his allotted time by atleast 45 seconds on more than one occasion with no interruption, and watched the President do what he does best; dance around the question at hand.

I am not a die hard Republican....while I do admit to leaning a little right of center on most issues, I have a voting record on both sides of the aisle, depending on the candidate. I have not seen this President do anything effective to move us to the right track. I am sorry if you cant see anything past the (D) or (R) following someones name.

We gave him a chance to move this country forward and he failed.

To: IRESPOND-2315268

GEE....another libtard that cant read a sentence and comprehend it. Call me surprised!!!!

Not only did Tagg Romney want to hit the President, he has bought HART intercivic, the company that owns the voting machines that are being used in Ohio, Colorado, Washington and more states. This was a leveraged buyout that started with a $10 million investment from Anne Romney's "blind" trust. Only the company has access to the software as it is proprietary. These machines are easy to hack and were at the core of the mysterious 5 point shift from Kerry to Bush in the middle of the night in '04. A dirty business indeed.

Ok all I have to say to everyone is that here in PA and a little NJ, I see maybe 1 O sticker /day, never hear anyone talking about voting for "O", which is a HUGE reversal from 2008! What I do see and hear is a strong buzz for Romney EVERYWHERE, I never even felt this when Bush won, but certainly heard it when Clinton won. Also 8 of my friends voted for "O" the last time and all but 1 are voting for Romney....they are sick and tired of working temp jobs and getting laid -off every few months since 2009!!!!!! Not to mention many of them have kids with a college degree and no job or even interviews!

GEE....another libtard that cant read a sentence and comprehend it. Call me surprised!!!!

GEE....another Republican that can't read a sentence and comprehend it. Call me surprised!!!!

There...... You can thank me for fixing it for you. I know that you can't even do that!!!! I feel sorry for you.

romney's tax plan cut numbers do not add up - I'm convinced that tax cuts - trickle down will not work -- this and the effect since reagan. we need a pragmatic balanced approach that get us more revenue via tax reform or tax increase in some way plus hard choices on spending cuts to include the military.

It's simple, really. You can start by VOTING OUT ANY son of a byytche who supports any involvement in Syria, Iran, or ANY other gawd-forsaken Mid East cat litter box in ANY WAY, SHAPE or FORM.

Mc Stain, Looserman, Gram Crackhead et al; we're looking at YOU!!!!!!!!!

2012--------Gary Johnson----------2012

This election is more then a election for a president you will be voting for the future of America either as a free and capitalist nation or as a communist nation, Obama is the guy that is pushing people off the platform and on to the tracks as the subway goes by, he has his agenda and it has nothing to do with democracy he could care less about that or capitalism he lives to fulfill his fathers dream, if he wins this election you will meet the real Obama, a man you have never seen before and you will see that its Michelle that wears the pants in the white house, and Obama will do her bidding. there plan is to destroy America as we know it and establish a communist regime in its place that will eventually lead to one world order, even his logo symbolizes the sun rising in the west a prophesy of doom.

The O = Obama.

The red and white stripes = the west.

The blue represents the sky.

The white center represents the Sun.

The Sun is rising in the west look that one up!

The power of symbolism to some is is paramount, the swastika was in a circle, the crescent is in fact a circle, the USSR hammer and sickle a circle, you ask a Muslim what Obamas symbol means and he will tell you, and you will not like the answer's.

A vote for Obama is a no vote for America. now I have a question for Rose, Bev and that Tony Beeerm why is the cost of a can of Tuna more then doubled since Obama took office and the price of gasoline more then doubled and the cost of everything else has doubled, while the government claims that the overall inflation is less then 4% over the four years, why is it that I can only afford half as much at twice the cost, I was doing much better before this guy came along, why is it that the Democrats get busy screwing things up and then blame it on the Republicans, the Democratic party is so overrun with communist that it counts as two parties.

Obama has failed the American people why should I risk four more years with him? we cant handle four more years of his failure.

just what is it that they are putting in your kool aid that makes you so stupid?

Irespond,

No, I feel sorry for you!...how are you going to fill your days after obumbo is kicked out of the white house?

HHAHHAHAAHAHAAAAAA....YOU AND FEISTY AND BEVERLY TOO!!!!....HEY POP ENUFF POPCORN FOR ALL OF YOU AND GET A GOOD SEAT FOR TOMORROWS DEBATE.

75 MILLION PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SEE YOUR LIAR IN CHIEF GO DOWN IN FLAMES!!!!

CAN YOU SAY BYE BYE OBUMBO????

HHAHHAHAAHAHAAAAAA....YOU AND FEISTY AND BEVERLY TOO!!!!....HEY POP ENUFF POPCORN FOR ALL OF YOU AND GET A GOOD SEAT FOR TOMORROWS DEBATE.

Just don't choke when your pants start exploding. I picture you like Yosemite Sam jumping with anger when Obama EXPLAINS the facts to Mitt Romney the bully.

Govt_Issue,

"The CNN moderator did everything she could to protect the President...notice the number of times she interruped each person...I think it was something like 29 to 8. Not to mention her flat distortion of facts. I watched the President go over his allotted time by atleast 45 seconds on more than one occasion with no interruption, and watched the President do what he does best; dance around the question at hand."

That's the sort of response I would expect. When Romney loses the debate, you start looking for excuses as to why he really won, blaming the moderator for being partial and nit-picking statistics to "prove" it. Why is it that Republicans always like to talk about accepting personal responsibility for our actions, but they never want to practice it? Always blame someone else seems to be their motto.

The polls have been skewed for weeks in Obama's favor, but now with reliable polls like Gallup showing a vastly different race the mainstream in the tank for Obama polls are adjusting. The logic of their polling has been that people want to voter for the winner, and if Obama is shown to lead in the polls that will be a boost in the voting. But since Gallup has a long history of successfully predicting presidential outcomes that these other fly by night polling operations do not, they have to start adjusting to save any future credibility.

The nation sees Obama as a failure with no vision for a brighter future, and his campaign is all about trash talk and attacking rather then laying out a plan people can believe in. Obama made endless promises in 2008 and lived up to almost none, so with Obama talk is cheap and the blame and excuses are no longer selling. Maybe if the mainstream media had actually done its job and held Obama accountable over the past four years, he would not have to run from his record. All Obama has left is to try and con his way to a second term, because he certainly hasn't earned it.

Another propaganda poll by NBC and wall street who are both in the tank for Romney. Stop the fascist takeover of America vote out all GOP.

I don't listen to these polls I listen to my Republican friends and how they feel about Romney and they all say he is such a lair they wont vote because they Hate Obama just as much, oh and they also mention how out of touch Romney is with the peasant's, Gee how is Romney going to WIN unless he pulls a BUSH on America again, you know cheat not like have not been trying ... LOL

I am neither a R or a D. I did find the last debate interesting. One of the people who were chosen to ask questions...asked Obama. "Why was the request for more security in Libya denied and who is responsible for denying it?" Obama, like a good politician, sidestepped it completely and did not answer a direct question. This is not who I want as a leader for my country. I know of no other important high level job where you can blame all your failures over the last four years on the person who had the job before you. Could you get away with this on your job?

I feel like I am on a ship that everyone knows is sinking. Next to this ship is one that may or may not sink. So what is the logical thing to do? Stay and drown or jump and maybe have a chance.

Obama ran on the "Time for a change" ticket. He neglected at that time to say that the "change" would be from bad to worse. 47,000,000 people on food stamps? Are you kidding me?

I am a fiscal conservative, social moderate...Romney, then and now,...still represents me. I see the bigger picture.

I have difficulty believing this. Governor Romney has no economic plan that is comprehensible to any analyst. President Obama, on the other hand, has proven himself to be a fiscal conservative by reducing taxes and reducing the deficit at the same time - a very impressive feat in its own right.

I am also a fiscal conservative, but I can see no sign of any convincing fiscal conservatism in Governor Romney's stated policies. Maybe he has some top secret plan that will become evident after he is elected but I am very dubious of the slogan "Mitt Romney: You have to elect him to find out what he is for."

Mr Romney also comes from a party that has a well-earned reputation of economic hypocrisy - yelling loudly about being fiscal conservatism while at the same time spending money hand over fist. Remember that it is a Democrat President, Bill Clinton, who had the only non-deficit period in our generation.

If you want to know what the Republican party really thinks about fiscal conservatism, you can hear it from Vice President Chaney, who, despite everything else that can be said about him, was undeniably an honest man:

You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due.

Speaking to Paul O'Neill, then Treasury Secretary (The Price of Loyalty)

( From http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney )

The national poll is meaningless, look at the battleground states. Obama has is locked. I don't know why 900 people nationally would say they'd vote for Romney - but 900 short-sighted Republican voters won't swing the election. Obama/Joe - surf the wave back into the White House 2012.

Almost all the mainstream media support Obama. I wonder why? We the American people are being lied to and deceived so that the regime under Obama can continue to change our America as we know it to a more socialist/communist country. It's no wonder why no one talks about Obama's past. If you dig past the deceit and lies you will discover a man who does not believe in freedom. Please vote Romney/Ryan to save our country from becoming like the rest of the world. We are at the top but this administration believes we need to be 'fair' unto the rest of the world by getting rid of military super power status and by restructuring our government to be like our socialist/communist counterparts. Wake up America! VOTE ROMNEY/RYAN IF YOU WANT TO RESTORE OR COUNTRIES GREATNESS AND RESPECTABILITY!!!

Seven,

"I know of no other important high level job where you can blame all your failures over the last four years on the person who had the job before you."

Not even when it is true? History is history, and what occurred under the Bush regime is a fact of history that will be reflected in all future American history books your children will study when they get to the chapters on the Great Recession. Historians have not forgotten who was president when the Great Depression began, either.

Here we go again talking about Liyba again anything can happen I remember in 2004 when a terroist bomb killed 24 people in a Heavy fortied compond did that matter no sometimes it just happens no matter ho much military you have on the ground did it matter then no!

The 47% tie is popular votes, not electoral votes which is the numbers that decides the election. It has been, and still shows Obama ahead, with Politico at this time showing 277/261, Obama ahead.

---politico.com/2012-election/swing-state/

Everyone needs to vote! Fact check what you hear and then vote!

This is the most important election you may ever had to decide, so please, decide wisely.

Obama/Biden 2012 - Democrat All The Way!

HEY Irespond

Just don't choke when your pants start exploding.

You'll be chokin on your popcorn, when your boy obumbo is sputtering and stuttering trying to respond to why he LIED about the TERRORIST act that was committed against us in Libya!!!

I LOVE IT WHEN OBUMBO'S VEINS ARE POPPIN OUT LIKE IN THE FIRST DEBATE!!!

I WONDER IF HE'LL ASK FOR HELP FROM THE MODERATOR AGAIN???

Talking about personal action, what about this OBAMA for women:

"According to a report published by the Free Beacon in April, the 2011 annual report on White House staff revealed that the median annual salary for female White House employees was 18 percent less than male employees — $60,000 compared to $71,000."

Yes, all (misleading) talk and no action from Obama (again).
However, apart from Obamas serious deficiencies the real problem is the democrat's policies and philosophies do NOT produce success because it does not support success.
I can elaborate the case if you don't believe it.

When I was a child, my father said we should always thank God in our prayers that we lived in a great country like America.

Even with the big problems and controversy that exists here, I still agree. America is the land of the free. Just watch the nightly news. In so many foreign countries, people cannot speak their mind or practice their own religion without fear of being persecuted, ostracized, or murdered.

As an American, it makes me proud to have a leader like President Obama.

As a Christian, it makes me proud to vote for another Christian like President Obama.

I have always had faith in America and faith in God. Neither has let me down yet.

Everyone knows the nbc/wsj polls are slanted towards Obama and the democrats. Griffin openly announced that the then called MSNBC would follow a progressive/liberal ideology and if that meant deliberately skewing public viewing programs, political programs, hiring the most liberal commentators and liars and deliberately skewing polls to benefit the loonie leftists so be it.

Time and again NBC/WSJ polls have always favored the left. Other polls today give Romney up to 7% advantage.

So no matter what you hate mongers, anti free thought crazies think, Americans are making a decision and it is not in favor of the racist, socialist Obama.

ofcourse1,

Let me get this straight ... according to you and the GOP/TP, when the reports are against the President, then they are accurate, but when the reports are in favor of the President, they are biased.

LOL

whatmatters,

"According to a report published by the Free Beacon in April, the 2011 annual report on White House staff revealed that the median annual salary for female White House employees was 18 percent less than male employees — $60,000 compared to $71,000."

The US Congress sets all federal salaries including the President's. So you cannot blame Obama for that. The president does not set the salaries for the White House staff. So that's a nice try, but no cigar.

Good one NBC...

Of course this poll is about as truthful as our president and the redhead are...which is to say it isn't and they aren't. Feisty usually has a line on First Read but always denies having anything to do MSNBC/NBC. Of course, that's the main problem with our president and feisty. The lies...

earthpig,

"Feisty usually has a line on First Read but always denies having anything to do MSNBS/NBC. Right Feisty?"

Why does everyone pick on Feisty? She isn't the only one who hates Republicans, you know. Just look around you at some of the other posts on this blog, including mine.

Ofcourse,

Fox has effectively brainwashed you.

The WSJ (Wall Street Journal) is owned by Rupert Murdock's News Corp., same as Fox.

Mickey,

Republicans can't stand Fiesty because they believe women should be seen and not heard while they are cooking, doing dishes, cleaning the house, and pumping out babies

Mickey...

Read the last two words in my comment, then you'll know why.

Always blame someone else seems to be their motto.

The hypocrisy is simply astounding. You must be referring to the current administration. Please, give me a President who has EVER pointed the finger as much as the current one. It's simple to say 'look at what I inherited'... No one, I repeat, no one held a gun to his head and forced him to run for office. President Obama has failed to put a dent in unemployment, rising energy costs or the deficit (which has ballooned).

" If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.” Remember who said this? Or does this have to be spelled out to you also?

earthpig,

"Read the last two words in my comment, then you'll know why."

I haven't noticed that Feisty's comments contain any more "lies" than those by Republican supporters on here.

Table 622. Unemployed Workers—Summary: 1990 to 2010 Unemployed Influence on the Vote-

Just taking the highest percentages from the census date reveals the devastation (tongue in check)

UNEMPLOYMENT RATE 6 (percent)

16 to 19 years old through 65+ Male/Female-Blacks, Whites, Hispanic, Asian- (9.6%)

Heaviest influence on average.

20 to 24 years old Male (28.8)

16-19 year old Female (22.8)

Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, "Employment and Earnings Online," January 2011 issue, March 2011,

Scratching head now-how to solve issues with the idle youth of America. :-)

Govt_Issue,

" If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

Yes, but that remains to be seen. The President does not elect himself, you know. The American people have something to do with that.

Mason, Did you have a point to that post or are you to say that 16 yr olds can influence the vote?

The American people have something to do with that.

Finally, something we can agree on. Truth be told, the hate from the left to the right, AND vice versa, gets a little old. I am not anti-democrat....I simply do not have any more faith in this President. To be perfectly honest, I thought out of everyone in the '08 fray, that Hillary would have made the best President.

Ed,

"Republicans can't stand Fiesty because they believe women should be seen and not heard while they are cooking, doing dishes, cleaning the house, and pumping out babies"

I think that is a fair characterization: barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

Independent Thought

It is no wonder, Mitt had to adapt to some degree. It is disappointing, but that is how politics work.

I am a fiscal conservative, social moderate...Romney, then and now,...still represents me. I see the bigger picture.

Dude, You are neither Independent nor has given any thought to selecting the right person as our President for next four years; not because you disagree with me, but because you said, that's how politics work (i.e. flip flopping, nor letting people know what one stands for, shallow answers to questions - aka binders full of women remark, etc.)

You are no fiscal conservative. Trust me, if you are one, you would have loudly pointed out that Ryan and the entire gang of Republicans voted to give tax breaks to the wealthy, when the Country was about to embark on balancing the federal budget and thus negating all the efforts Bill Clinton took us towards the path of fiscal conservatism. We are still paying for those tax cuts to the wealthy and the two unwanted, unfunded wars with borrowed money and on and on, I can go. Again, trust me, if you are a fiscal conservative, you would shout from the top of a hill, saying to Romney that his further tax cuts he is promising if elected, will take the country right through the Cliff and so will his rhetoric for $2 trillion in additional defense spending.

That man, Romney, is a shallow guy devoid of vision, ideas and has no clue as to how to take us from a lousy vaporeware based (read financial markets driven) economy we are in now, to a robust high tech, modern manufacturing economy. Romney is the guy who said, "People, don't worry about the rising tide due to global warming, for it's all hoax."

You tea party people are really amazing, with no common sense.

20 to 24 years old Male-

Living arrangements of 20- to 24-year-olds, by sex: Selected years, 1980 through 2010

Compared to 1980- this age bracket-heavily influencing unemployment figures has declined from independent living-to moving back in with parents. This will likely explain the primary source of overcompensating caustic behavior on the internet due to low self-esteem.

nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012026/figures/figure_04.asp

Hmmmm...MittTaxPittanceRommel aka CountDracula and his servant EddiMunster are Lying Up A Storm in Ohio, Which was Traditionally iron and steel specific manufacturing country. BUT! Thanks to the Count and His Aristocrat/Sociopath Friends at the republicanCrimeCartel, The Fine Steel and Iron working Craftsmen and Women were fired and their jobs "outsourced" and so these Fine Americans are in the OutHouse. Read and listen as PhantomBeast is dedicating this communique to the our American Voting Men, as The Ladies Have a Large Working Brain up there in their skulls and see Through TheCount and EddiMunster's Lies. Now Men, even though You May not personally savor Prez O 'cause he threatens Our VERY Fragile Male Egos, this Guy is OUR ONLY FRIEND. It's like when you went to the dealership in GREAT Emotional need to get soothed by the Slick Salesman, Who, by the way, strangely resembles MittTaxPittanceRommel, and Both of You sat there and Sang out Anti-Prez O slogans in Unison and he finally got you to go into lifetime hock for one of those HUGE Phallic Trucks that gets 5Gallons to the Mile "But HELL, "I don't care", 'cause it makes up for something Pathetically small somewhere else; And "that Obammi guy!! Like Mitt said, I can't trust him!; there won't be any gas to power my KingDong Phallia Truck!!! An' I don't care if I gotta clean $H!TF!lled Public Toilets wth my tongue for a dollar a day, I don't want no n!gger in th' whitehouse!!" And for You "more educated" Men who feel: "Well, I don't care if the Man is Harvard educated, I perceive that he won't be able to get me off of the unemployment line when my "mid managment position" was "inner corporate absorbed". This President does not know how to run a country". CORRECTION Mr.Snoot, Yes He does just as Rommel and the republicanAristocratParty KNOW How to RUIN a Country. So Fellow Men Voters, Let's keep Prez O in the WhiteHouse as he's the only one who knows what the hell he is doing in spite of republicanAristocratSoldier's attacks. Here is something of interest and importance:

For the Very Few NAIVE
American voters who are thinking of voting for Mitt Tax Pittance Rommel and
Lyin'Ryan out of desperation and hope that these two MONSTERS will rescue your
life, Better look AT THE FACTS. CountDracula and EdddiMunster are going to keep
the bush TAX EVASION BONUSES FOR THE EVIL RICH In Effect: with TheCount's Crappy excuse? "I won't
LOWER the taxes on the Rich!!!!" Well, Thanks Count, as you 1-10% and Corporate
rich already pay the Lowest taxes in American History and the taxes are REALLY on the
Backs of working people @37%. And! AND!! AND!!! Gas and Oil Prices???? What a
Sucker Punch at Voters. The Count and EddiMunster PERSONALLY Dreamed up the
$4.00p/g at the pump to blame it on Prez O. JUST WHO do you voters think sets
Gas& Oil prices, "Healthcare" policy prices, Hiring, Job/Career Outsourcing,
Burger Flipping pay for NET $4.50p/hr while TheCount and these
Aristocrat/Elitist republicanCrimecartel Soldiers are SUCKING YOU DRY for
$4.00p/gal gas and oil,
$1100.00p/m for "healthinsurance", while the ceo at united healthcare took home $128,000,000 CASH, Paid No taxes with capital Gains LoopHoles, Thanks to KingGeorge and the republicanCrimeCartel, who Perverted the tax laws leaving WE American TaxPayers to Pay HIS Taxes on that Tidy Sum.
Here Is a Very VERY Helpful Link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og35U0d6WKY&feature=player_detailpage

Tea Sucks,

"You are neither Independent nor has given any thought to selecting the right person as our President for next four years"

Most "Indepedents" are not really truly independent. They are former disgruntled Democrats or Republicans who left their parties, often because the positions of their formers parties were not extreme enough to suit them, but they still carry their former parties prejudices with them. They may be registered "Independent", but that does not necessarily mean their points of view are really completely independent of any party's point of view. I just thought I'd point that out, but otherwise, I agree with you.

listen beverly from chicago!! when you talk about friends of romney,well you should see obama's friends.. the list,frank marshall davis(communist), karl marx's ideals(communist),pakistani wahid hamid sohale siddqi,bill ayers an american terrorist(killed police officers), jeremiah wright,rezko,rashid khalidi,and the list goes on and on..google those names and you will see what kind of people your obama really is!. and not to mention your obama was raised muslim and despite of all i think he really still is a muslim at heart.. has refused to call the terrorists "terrorists".destribution of wealth? please give me a break. mitt said it if you want free stuff and the govt to give you everything for free including cellulars, yes vote for this leftist,muslin,radical president..

Noway,

Get medical help while you still can. Your Foxitis is late stage.

The only poll that counts takes place Novenber 6. All this yapping here means absolutely nothing.

Wil Royson your 100% right all the full page BS the left 47% post shows that the 47% will have to go back to work and they are fighting to stay on their ace and use their Obama phone and food stamps and don't want to give it up.

So these polls are trying to say that a current (CULTIST) MORMON bishop who wants to take away womens rights, send us all back to the 30's, turn us all into slave labor, destroy our infrastructure and deny us any police, firefighters or postal services, and get us in more endless wars and loot our economy, of what we have left after Bush, is tied with our current president? BS!

Anyone who puts their money in an offshore bank is not to be trusted as far as I am concerned ..unless your just plan stupid! Whatever happened to seperation of church and state? How can a person who has been attached to such a powerful church with so many secretive policies be allowed to even run for office?

I dont buy it for a second. When are these poll takers and over half the media gonna get off Romneys payroll and start doing their job? The BS is never ending. WE ARE NOT THIS STUPID GOP!

There needs to be a law passed that disallows any corporations from owning our TV, Radio or newspapers.

If Romney wants to cut all our public services then why do we need to pay any taxes? He doesnt want to rebuild our roads and bridges but wants to make the military bigger then it already is. Almost half our money goes to the military and we dont even use the stuff we already have. It is unnecessary to keep making stuff when we already have warehouses full of stuff we havent already used?? If you say its to keep people working then you need to create new industry and retrain the people so we can get past the "art of war" the GOP loves so well. It will be our undoing.

He wants to kick our elderly off the very security they paid for all their working lives (SS is not an entitlement..it is exactly what it says it is...not congress piggy bank.) and he wants to allow wall street to gamble with their pensions ...like they havent already gambled enough of it away..they are like crack heads with other peoples money. Break up the banks ..no investment bank and regular bank should have ever been allowed to merge. Too big to fail is BS and these banks needs to be taken apart....I wont let my bank use my money to hedge their bets.

Isnt our reason to pay taxes to take care of this country and not everyone elses? Isnt that what our taxes are supposed to be paying for?

These "suits" seem to love to sit in rooms and find ways to keep beating each other up in a endless fight for control and they are using our people and national treasure in their quest for eternal power...well I call "B*ll Sh*t" on all of them.

It is time to give us more credit then this you "leaders"...the blame game is over. We know you are all full of crap!

I have seen few Obama bumper stickers and even fewer lawn signs. I see many lawn signs for other democrat candidates for other offices but no one seems to want to associate themselves with Obama. I do see a few handwritten signs saying they are part of the 99% and proud of it and those usually accompany an Obama sign. What they don't seem to understand is that by voting for Obama they will indeed remain in the 99%.

I believe both candidates want what is best for Americans. They just have very different ideas about what help is. Obama wants to give whoever wants one a fish every day. Romney wants to teach everyone how to fish. That's the difference between the two parties and the two men. The election is really that simple.

Romney's way may seem cold but how do you raise your children? Do you teach them how to tie their shoes, how to cook, how to study so they can learn more and more and get a better job or do you shrug off your responsibilities as a parent and let them do whatever they want because it's fun? Would you raise your children the way Obama has treated the people of the US?

Tea Sucks:

Surprise, I am female, and in the 99%. I just happen to believe in hard work, not a nanny state. I also wish to save my four children's future. Was "Independent" way before it was considered "the" chosen voter (check out how long I have been a member of newsvine).

Obama scares me to death. I am worried for my kids. The direction of this nation is headed the wrong way. If you read my posts from inception, you will see, at one time, I felt like a blended ticket (R/D) was the answer. Surprise, I am not a tea party member either. Merely, reasonable and rational.

Unfortunately, O's actions, have pushed me further right.

If NBC is now saying the race is tied they must know that Romney has an insurmountable lead and are simply dialing back their propaganda "polls" so they don't look quite as dumb after election day.

Hello folks, does it feel like the movie Ground Hog Day to you? We keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect different results. It looks and feels like we are gerbils on a treadmill wheel.

Who has always run this world? The blue bloods, right? Nearly every U.S. president has been related to each other and ultimately their lineage can be easily traced back to the British monarchy. So what is different about this election? Are Obama and Romney related? Your damn right they are!

Have you ever looked at the Bush, Romney, and Obama family tree, they are all related to each other! If you think this is conspiracy then Huffington Post, Reuters, ABCNews, Ancestry.com, Genealogy Bank, etc and many more news outlets are involved in a conspiracy. The argument by the disinformation trolls is that if you go back far enough in your own bloodline that we are all related to the Queen of England. That is unadulterated BS. The blue bloods have always run this country!

Obama & Romney Are Related! Genealogy Infographic

By Tom Kemp | Posted on October 12, 2012 by Tom Kemp

“In time for the 2012 election countdown, I recently did some genealogy research to learn more about the background of both President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney, and guess what—they’re related!

What’s more: they’re also related to several former U.S. presidents, English kings, outlaws and celebrities. This is really huge! So huge in fact that our team at GenealogyBank decided to create this Infographic to show many of these surprising genealogical findings.”

Why are you voting for either of these candidates? Because one or the other is the lesser of two evils? That still makes them evil, right? We have a one headed two party system that support the rich and could care less about you, zero, zilch!

For those who still value their individual critical thinking and decision making skills wake up and get off the treadmill.

Our global banking system has crashed and you will find this information out after the elections and neither candidate can save it. You can acknowledge our situation or remain asleep, the choice is yours but you can make a difference if you simply decide to. Peace!

Elaine,

Have you ever balanced your household budget? It is an examination of income/outflow, cuts and musts. Or the tow truck arrives, and the bank changes the front door lock. The USA has to do the same.

To think the Mormon Bishop is going to control the White House, is grasping for women voters. If you really felt that way, you would have never voted for O in 2008, given he was sitting, front row, in the pew of Reverend Wright. Sadly, without his hands over his sweet daughters ears.

allenjames,

"Wil Royson your 100% right all the full page BS the left 47% post shows that the 47% will have to go back to work and they are fighting to stay on their ace and use their Obama phone and food stamps and don't want to give it up."

Your post only shows your ignorance of what you are talking about. My family was on food stamps for a while when I was a kid because my father got disabled on his job. It was very humiliating for my father having to be on food stamps, and we got off them as quickly as we could. I suspect the same is true of most people who are on food stamps. They are not on food stamps because they are too lazy to work. They are on food stamps because they would not have enough money to eat without them. You are just spouting Republican talking points and showing your callousness toward the poor and needy.

Ed Post 1.12

When the poll numbers are so close, it is more than troubling that Tagg Romney now owns HART intercivic, the company that owns the voting machines in Ohio, Colorado, and other states.

You have it all balled up. Bain is actually run by Matt Levin, a Democrat, Obama supporter, and Obama campaign fund bundler. It was Levin's decision to purchase the voting machines.

Romney's shares in Bain are of the "silent partner" type.

Why haven't I seen the poll results from the military published? According to the Army Times the military voters prefer Romney by 66 to 26 per cent. Most military personnel see a lack of leadership in Obama and the Obama Administration.

Mickey:

A small point of interest in regard to your "callousness to the poor and needy" comment:

Nearly every study shows, Republican's are much more charitable than Democrats.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/20/religion-politics-affect-americans-philanthropy/?page=all

There is a October surprise coming against Romney the cult leader. Can't wait to see what it is.

Sadly, the Republicans have been known for two loves in history:

The love of WAR.

And the love of MONEY.

For those who are eligible to go to war or who have children who are eligible to go to war, remember this when you go to the polls.

IndependentThought,

"Nearly every study shows, Republican's are much more charitable than Democrats."

Why do you have "Independent" in your screen name? As "Tea Sucks" pointed out, you are clearly not independent.

All that matters is Ohio. Who is leading in Ohio? Hint Not Romney!!!

Govt_Issue

Just so I have this stright....when Obama was leading big in the polls, it was the will of the American people, but when Romney closes the gap, or even ties in some polls, then the polls are flawed and meaningless....did I get that right?

NO, Since January the News media polls have insisted that 2012 would be at least a carbon Copy of 2008. The change from 2004 to 2008 was an increase in the gap of Democrat to Republicans. This despite 2010 turnout showed a surge of republicans and a slight decline of Democrats. 2012 polling showed that the Republicans were continuing to make gains on the Democrats.

During the Year as Romney closed, the number of democrats were added. I'm seeing polls in contested states where Democrats polled were increased up to 5 points over 2008 and Republicans decreased up to 4 points over 2008. I've seen polls where where democrat and republican numbers were both jacked up 10 points over historical averages and independents squeezed. In those polls I usually find that Romney is winning the independent vote as much as 2 to 1.

No, you are just seeing what a insidiously disingenuous group the News Media is.

Mickey:

As I mentioned, at one time, I felt the nation need a blended ticket with a Democrat and Republican. The nation needs to work together. O is the extreme opposite of the Tea Party. Stalemate.

I believe in no representation without taxation. Hard work. The American dream. Honesty and Integrity. As to social issues. I am anti-abortion, for you pro-choice.

Like nearly all, I am just right of center. O is way too far left and the Tea Party way too far right.

Mickey:

O is too far left, the Tea Party is too far right. I am fiscally conservative, socially moderate, plus an independent thinker. I am not swayed by anything, and examine everything. Reasonableness is what I always strive for.

I have my own thoughts, stand up for what I feel is the right direction, and support who and what I see necessary.

O is a very poor leader. Plain and simple.

Independent Thought

Tea Sucks:

Surprise, I am female, and in the 99%.

Surprise to you too. I am not in the 99% and I still support Obama for his ideas and vision on how to get our country

1. to match with South Korea and Finland in terms of educating its people,
2. to match with industrial Germany, Switzerland, and northern Europe in specialized high end manufacturing
3. to keep our number one position in the world in pharmaceuticals and biotech
4. to upgrade our country's infrastructure (roads, bridges, airports, seaports, air traffic towers, water plants, renewable energy , electrical grid, etc.)
5. to bring forward looking growth (in semiconductors, nano technology, materials, software, etc.) and keep our position as #1 in the world in those areas.

Obama knows and understands that individual innovation, robust capital markets, entrepreneurship, and above all, public-private partnership (cooperation with Government agencies in R&D) and good decent regulatory environment are what are needed to keep us moving forward as undisputed economic superpower it once was. Romney does not.

I have two great wonderful two teenage girls in school and I want them to have a great life in this country instead of emigrating to a country like Switzerland, New Zealand, or Australia. Obama is that one person who will lead us there and not Romney. Sadly, Romney just doesn't understand what that 99% of the population go through everyday to put food on the table, send kids to schools, worry about their college tuition, worry about retirement, healthcare, etc. He just cannot understand the feeling and aspirations of 99% of the people in this country. Period..

G. Bud

Another propaganda poll by NBC and wall street who are both in the tank for Romney.

Uhm, hate to break it to you, but NBC is in the tank for Obama. They were the only ones who said Obama won the first debate.

As a leader of non-denominational Christian studies, I have found that the dilemma most evangelical Christians voters are facing in this election boils down to two things:

(a) do you vote for a professed Christian (Obama) who has said he supports gay rights?

or (b) do you vote for a Mormon (Romney) whose beliefs do not align with traditional Christian beliefs (Jesus is the brother of Satan, Jesus is not divine, etc.)

My own personal belief is that I like a President who does not bark his religious faith into every mike just because he wants someone's vote. And that he is a President who believes everyone has the right to worship God (or not) as he chooses. And I always want a President who is level-headed and has proven he will not bend to wealthy donors, or condescend to those who are middle class or low income. A President who has proven that he has a cool head in foreign policy and is not one that is quick to rush to war. I want a President who can be trusted and is consistent with his words and actions, and does not change his words to fit whatever situation he happens to be in at the moment.

I have been impressed with President Obama's record in office, and although disappointed with one or two of his decisions, I do not expect him to be perfect. I think he has done his incredibly difficult job with amazing grace considering he has had such opposition and virtually no support from the GOP or TP.

You've got my vote and my respect, Mr. President.

Thank you for the past four years, and here's hoping for another four years to come.

I don't understand this.

Beverly and Feisty.........It's quite simple. Many people ARE asking themselves if they are better off than 4 years ago and many are saying no. Your blind loyalties to the president are admirable.

It's all about hope and change. We know what we will get if the president is re-elected and realize we cannot, as a country afford that.

Yup, hope and change. We fervently HOPE that there will be a CHANGE in leadership in 2 weeks.

Tea Sucks:

Obama knows and understands that individual innovation, robust capital markets, entrepreneurship, and above all, public-private partnership (cooperation with Government agencies in R&D) and good decent regulatory environment are what are needed to keep us moving forward as undisputed economic superpower it once was.

You give O WAY more credit than his credentials deserve. He has no flipping clue!

I have two special nieces who both graduated from law school, in the past 3 years. No jobs, and yet have $140 & $160K school debt, respectively, which was "kindly and generously" given to them with an 8% government loan! Did you mention New Zealand?

...and...your comment...

He just cannot understand the feeling and aspirations of 99% of the people in this country.

"Aspirations," come from the belly, not a government check.

*sigh* There the Right go again. Taking crap out of context. Ticked off, here is the full discussion for your context and for anyone else interested in the actual truth of the matter and not posting stupid crap like Ticked has done several times now:

President Obama used the phrase in an echo of Jon Stewart, who had just said, "is part of the investigation helping the communication between these divisions? Not just what happened in Benghazi, but what happened within. Because I would say, even you would admit it was not the optimal response, at least to the American people, as far as all of us being on the same page." Obama replied, “Well here's what I'll say: If four Americans get killed, it's not optimal. And we're going to fix it.”

Oliver Willis at Media Matters for America has posted a response to the affair, in which he argues that Obama’s answer, “in fuller context, makes it obvious that he was discussing the inadequacy of early communications between different arms of the government — not the deaths of personnel.” The question does suggest that Obama was calling the failure of communication not optimal, as opposed to the deaths.

If you still cannot understand this, Tricked Off, I would be happy to further explain it to you.

The US Debt has been going down for 3 years and is now where it was in 2006. It was going up in 2006. What does this mean?

Reduced borrowing means there is less competition for the U.S. Treasury Department as it sells debt to fund spending programs to help the nation recover from the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Credit-rating firms are discounting the improvement even as debt, equity and currency markets suggest the U.S. is more creditworthy than before Standard & Poor’s stripped the nation of its AAA grade in 2011

There is also an interesting chart that shows that eliminating the tax cuts for the 1%ers will have the least effect on the economy while eliminating the tax cuts for working Americans will have the most effect on the economy.

U.S. Downgrade Seen as Upgrade as U.S. Debt Dissolved - Bloomberg

Chad

Post #1.124

Romney may have Ohio right now. Early voting is expected to be 1/3 of the voting. Republican Absentee ballots closed the Democrat advantage by 7 points this year. In the early voting, the gap has also closed by about 5+ points also. Obama won by 4.8 points in 2008. If the early voting and absentees are representative of what shows upon election day, Obama has lost Ohio by 1 - 2 points.

Republican response has been so string in the Youngstown and Portage county areas, the Tim Ryan may lose his seat. This would be a continuing trend from 2010, where the Tim Ryan advantage slipped from 20+ points in 2008 to about 10 points in 2010.

Hey roy, good to see your post. Where have you been?

Republicans are known for two loves:

Love of War.

And love of Money.

If you are eligible to go to war, or have children who are eligible, remember this when you go to the polls.

47 percent for Romney! Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are :)

I wonder what the Tea Party will do when it realizes that 99% of its members are part of the 47% of Americans whom Mitt Romney despises?

IndependentThough,

"O is way too far left and the Tea Party way too far right."

You're right about the Tea Party being way too far right, but in my opinion Obama is just slightly left of center.

dartatak,

"Many people ARE asking themselves if they are better off than 4 years ago and many are saying no."

That may be true. I can't speak for any individual American's present condition. But as far as the country as a whole is concerned, I think there can be no question about it. We are hell of a lot better off now then we were four years ago. Four years ago the financial sector had just collapsed. Major banks like Lehman Brothers and Bear Sterns had declared bankruptcy. The housing market had gone kaput. There was a run on the banks with people withdrawing their money for fear their banks would collapse. Many banks were going out of business or closing their doors temporarily to avoid the panic. The auto industry was about to go bankrupt with the consequent loss of millions of jobs. We were losing jobs at the rate of 800,000 per month. Do you seriously mean to tell us that we were better off four years ago than we are now? You must be kidding!!!

That's because your two clicks left of honest. If you can find Kennedy's 1962 speech on YouTube and listen to it. It's almost as if it were written for Obama. Every talking point is a the direct opposite of what Obama is doing and in fact warns against doing some of the things Obama is doing.

obama's my zero,

"That's because your two clicks left of honest."

It's always nice if you make it clear to whom your post is addressed. You give no indication of that. You could be talking to the man in the moon for all anyone knows.

NBC/WSJ has them even. NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl

Rasmussen has Romney +2. Rasmussen Tracking

Gallop has Romney +7. Gallup Tracking

IBD/TIPP has Obama by +6 IBD/TIPP Tracking

Making the average virtually tied.

Looking at registered voters only has Obama leading in all polls by wide margins, so the 13 point swing seems to be in the pollsters' ability to predict "Likely Voters".

Personally, I think all "real" Republicans will swing to Obama the day of the election. :)

What a joke!!! a 13 point swing on polls that are supposed to be + or - 3%?

I'm gonna start believing Roy Wilson's analysis... he's the only one acting like any of this is expected and explainable.

This is from Global news in Canada

A report that Solamere Capital, a company owned by Tagg Romney, has invested heavily in electronic voting machines to be used next month in the critical swing state of Ohio lit up the political blogosphere on Friday.

U.S. President Barack Obama is still leading Romney in Ohio, despite the Republican's recent surge in the polls. Tagg Romney campaigned for his father on Friday in the southeast reaches of the state.

Ohioans are sensitive to suggestions of voter machine shenanigans, with some liberals in the state long suspecting wonky voting machines played a role in George W. Bush's sudden, late-night win there against John Kerry in 2004.

Read it on Global News: Global News | Romney's sons singled out for death stare, wanting to 'take a swing'

Yeah, romney, the guy who made millions dumping debt on companies is going to fix our deficit. Just like he'll be tough on china while shipping jobs over there.

Ed,

"Ohioans are sensitive to suggestions of voter machine shenanigans, with some liberals in the state long suspecting wonky voting machines played a role in George W. Bush's sudden, late-night win there against John Kerry in 2004."

Yes, Republicans. The people who brought us Richard ("Tricky Dick") Nixon, the only President in U.S. history to have to resign from office because of his underhanded dealings, and George W. Bush, Jr., who almost destroyed the American economy and started two wars. And now they want to bring us Romney as an encore to that.

Thank you Mickey, it seems that "ticked off" and a few other forgetful gullible gopers are hoping that American citizens out there will forget too. It looks like they are busy lining it up for another Gore rip off too with the tie thing...so I will be happy to add to your great last paragraph with this in case any of you American voters still have any doubts. Just do not let them fool you again.

Where have you been since the eighties? At least Obama doesn't break promises and cheat like that and check out that cute Rumsfeld handshake, didn't he intern under tricky dicky?

Financial corporate interests, Kuwait and exit theater would have been clever but then, Three hundred thousand slain and buried in one go in '91 and Bush 1 plays golf, says he's sorry, but geee garsh golly, he cannot help the folks he just told to rise up against Saddam and "you know, alls fair in love and war", said his official with that @!$%#ty slit eyed grin...and you wonder why the world no longer fancies the USA very much anymore?
Give me a fricking break. Catch up and watch some old news about Saddam, Kurds, mustard gas, the destruction of the Mandan in Eden...blowing up the Museum, on and on it goes.

Here, instead of name calling, I have plenty of truth for you to remember. Facts that some real pros have known all along and any American, after watching this, should be ashamed to vote for anyone endorsed and backed up by members of the watergate, coingate, war criminal club.
A real man can stand by his word because he has already considered the consequences of his actions.

Mismanaging, tricky dicky trained trumpet-blurting, braggadocio-loving, clueless clowns and liars attempting to fill the post of POTUS are one reason why I am voting for...
Obama/Biden 2012.

Saddam Hussein - The trial you will never see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeY05iS5iv0&feature=related

@1.131 dartatak said "Many people ARE asking themselves if they are better off than 4 years ago and many are saying no."

Actually, it seems that Republicans are terrified to ask this question, because for the majority of voters, the answer is "are you kidding me? WAY better off than 4 years ago!!!"

Mickey pointed out some of the macroeconomic reasons things are so much better -- banks were saved, auto industry was saved and so on.

I'll share a more microeconomic tale -- a reason why a voter like myself might choose to be selfish and vote with my pocketbook...for the guy whose policies I don't always agree with, but who was the president when my family's financial situation went from disaster and uncertainty to comfortable and optimistic.

Four years ago, after the crash, my wife's former employer went belly up and everyone was laid off. It took her 6 months to find a job that paid noticeably less, but a job she liked, working with people she liked. She's still working there today, and they are growing, hiring and handing out modest raises and bonuses.

Four years ago my company was beginning what ultimately would turn into several rounds of mass layoffs and unpaid furloughs for those of us that remained. Raises & bonuses of course were cancelled, even the 401(k) matching was cancelled. We truly felt lucky to have jobs at all, even with the furloughs and the cutbacks.

Four years ago my home value and my 401(k) retirement investments both began a plunge that would ultimately take them both down about 40%. On every financial front and on the job front, it felt like our world was collapsing all around us.

Fast forward to today and my wife is still happy at that new job I mentioned, my company stopped the layoffs before the end of 2009, and by 2011 we were hiring again -- and paying raises and bonuses. The 401(k) matching was restored starting in 2010. My 401(k) has made up all of those losses plus a big percentage above that, so my retirement is back on track and my balances are much larger than they were 4 years ago. Housing prices here bottomed out late last year and have been rising since. I had enough equity to even do a refi a few months ago and knock more than 2% off my mortgage interest rate.

I have been a lifelong Republican, but am disappointed to have heard nothing at all from the Romney camp about HOW he is going to create 12M jobs or WHICH tax loopholes & deductions he's going to eliminate, or HOW he is going to avoid cutting defense without raising deficits. The more I hear, the more he sounds like Santa Claus -- free candy for everyone! He seems so desperate to win the presidency, he will say anything to get me to believe in him and vote for him, but I'm not buying it without hearing a convincing plan.

Meanwhile, there's this incumbent president who, like I said, was in charge during the 4 years when my own family's situation went from ominous and very concerned for the future, back to comfortable and optimistic about the future.

So DON'T ask THIS Republican "are you better off than you were 4 years ago," because the answer is "he11 yes, by a long shot!", and if I decide to be selfish and vote with my pocketbook, I have no choice but to vote for Obama.

There should only be a 1 Term President---4 yrs., then a re election of new candidates.

Two Terms, and most Presidents do nothing for the American people.

The Last Term is called "Lame Duck"; that is very true in a literal sense. Who knows what a President is up to during the last 4 years; taking advantage of all Presidential perks, putting in their own Programs of which American People are not aware. There are no voters to challenge what the mysterious activities are of a Lame Duck President. No accountability---

Obama/Romney even?; hopefully, Americans will not be put through another "recount" of chads like the Bush/Gore Tied Election. That was senseless.

Actually, I think one 6-year term would be good for any President, with no re-elections. If the President has an effective term, then his Vice President could run after him.

The Office of President is a highly stressful job to say the least, and the time and money that must be spent on re-elections could be used for better things.

azdad48,

That was an excellent post! It's nice to hear it from the, as you put it, "microeconomic" or personal level. I mean from someone who was personally affected by the collapse of 2008. I was not personally affected by it myself because I was retired already when that happened so I was only able to state some of the major things that occurred back then that I could remember. But I know many millions of Americans were devastated by it. I'm happy to hear that you and your family are recovering from it now. Good luck for the future!

So these polls are trying to say that a current (CULTIST) MORMON bishop

Elaine, your first inflamatory sentence negates everything else in your entire post. And if Romney DOES want to take us back a few years.. You know.. back when the debt was MUCH less than SIXTEEN TRILLION DOLLARS.. I'm ok with that.

So just in case you Don't know, we have the Constitution and the Supreme Court to protect the rights you claim you would lose under a Romney presidency.

Okay... Only if you pay attention to Gallup, which should rightly be renamed Gallop. And everyone is scratching their heads over that one...

But I don't drink Faux News koolaid either. I live in the real world.

Uncle Henry,

Here's the deal, President Obama will win because of the electoral college! Then hopefully, you and your kind, hateful and disrespecting can disappear.

Your cries of anyone but Obama is laughable, Look who the republicans had as candidates in the Primaries:

ROMNEY

CAIN

PERRY

BACHMAN

TRUMP

If that's the best your Party can do, your future does not look bright. It's time to come together to work toward the future of this GREAT Country. Republicans get rid of the Tea Bag, Religious intolerant Platform and move toward the center or you will relugated to the also rans for a long time.

Mitt Romney pandered to this base and has turned so many people off, that even his move to the center at this point is ineffective. He has had more postions then the Kama Sutra.

And to seal the deal, he chose Paul Ryan ( affectionatley called Lyin Ryan) what a pair.

NBC/WSJ favors a polling model that uses the 2008 voter turnout as it's starting point. Given that most polls show that enthusiasm is up for Republicans by as much as ten points, expecting Democrats to turn out in numbers that are seven points higher than Republicans (the margin in 2008) is overly optimistic, no?

Uncle Henry is right. If polls using the 2008 voter turnout show that the race is tied, then Romney is likely ahead by a greater margin.

SteelerNation1

You don't drink the Fox News kool aid? Do you drink the MSNBC cyanide? Dumbest people on earth are pro-Nobama. You seriously are the dumbest people on earth. Crisis and chaos are staring you right in the face and what do you do? Put the guy who exacerbated the situation right back in there. You really need to take a look in the mirror and ask yourself if you love this country or not. All of you who vote for Nobama are absolute complete retards.

SteelerNation1

You are a perfect example of a right wing person polled. I don't know what you are drinking or smoking, I bet it ain't kool aid.

If you think our President messed up this economy or is at fault for Bengazi then you need to take a lot at what MYTH will do. It wil be more of rhe same on Bush only on steroids.

4 more 4 44

Obama/Biden

We, as a country, had to suffer throughout the Carter years to get a Reagan. We’ve suffered through
the Obama years to get a Romney. ROMNEY/RYAN 2012!!

Steeler- Well someone not only drank the Kool-Aid, but went back to the table for seconds, thirds, and so on. The fact that you go to a site that is pro-Democrat just to troll and make juvenile insults shows just how sad the Republican base has become over the past four years. Please take your biased comments to foxnews.com. It's clear you're a newshound to that site.

BTW, you think we're in a state of chaos now? Imagine an indefinite stay in the Middle East. More dollars wasted to maintain an illusion of democracy. More troops lives' wasted. More families torn apart. Then again, you might be a member of "Team America: World Police."

Have a problem with the deficit? Ryan's budget increases spending by 3% (Obama's increases spending 4.5%). I bet the deficit won't be a big deal if Romney/Ryan win. The deficit wasn't such a big deal when W was in office.

Lastly, let me refresh your memory about a few things. When Clinton was in office, we had a national surplus and no wars. Security wasn't the cash cow it is today. Congress actually got things done. Then came W and his Congress. There came $10B in national debt. Here came the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003, projected to cost about $15B by 2015. There went the economy. Here came the wars. Things went downhill during the W administration thanks to Congress. Of course it's easier to blame all this on the opposite party and conveniently forget what happened during the eight years of Republican control and the rise of the Tea Party. So I challenge you to look in the mirror and ask yourself why you want to put the party that brought all this on the country in the first place back in office.

I should say that I blame the Tea Party for what's happening. Their ultra-conservative policies are what's hurting us, not Democrats or moderate Republicans. They're the ones that publicly celebrated the credit downgrade. They're the ones that are spewing the hateful propaganda. You want to "take America back"? Try finding a nice moderate candidate. Of course in a party ruled by Palin, Bachmann, Perry, Cain, Gingrich, Trump, Santorum, and Walsh, that's almost impossible.

"Heads Up" for all when checking facts.....

Factcheck.org -- A Fraudulent "Fact Check" Site Funded By Biased Political Group

If you wanted to use a devious method to deceive people who are trying to differentiate between truth and lies on the Internet how would you do it? If you were extremely devious and had no conscience, you might set up a Web site with some official and unbiased sounding name that claims to be the encyclopedia of truth to be used as a tool for anyone who has the same biased view and wants to make believe to "back it up" with what they would like you to think is "indisputable fact."

That is exactly what Web sites like factcheck.org are. They are biased, politically motivated propaganda Web sites, manned and funded by biased political organizations who set up the sites for the sole purpose of deviously "backing up" the political arguments of those who hold the same views that they do. It's kind of like you have a friend who is in on your lie, and you use him to back up your story and don't tell anyone else he is your friend.

Just because they use a name that implies unbiased assessments, doesn't mean that they provide them. You can call your Web site anything you want. I can set up a web site called thetruth.org or realfacts.com or stopthelies.org and post any kind of biased political propaganda I want on it. The name means nothing. And in the case of sites like factcheck.org, the name is intentionally misleading and deceptive. But it isn't the only so called "fact check" site that is a fraud. There are others.

Think about it. Would you rely on any particular Web site to get the "truth?" Anyone honest would tell you that you should NOT rely solely on them to get your facts. You should get them by considering many different and sources, with different points of view and opinions and arrive at what you believe to be the truth by using your own God given senses. Only con artists purport to be the de facto source of truth.

If you look behind the scenes at these phony "fact check" sites, you find that they are funded by organizations with political biases. You must always ask yourself. Who is writing about this so-called "truth." Who funds the site and pays their expenses. What are the origins and history of the funders and who are they associated with. In the case of factcheck.org they receive their funding from the liberal Annenberg Foundation.

The Annenberg Foundation was originally founded by Walter J. Annenberg, a conservative who supported Ronald Reagan. However, when Walter Annenberg died, his family took over the management of the foundation and it took a turn to the far left and has ties to radical left individuals such as Bill Ayers and his friend and fellow left wing radical collegue Barack Obama. How is factcheck.org associated with these people:

To start, Ayers was the key founder of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was a Chicago public school reform project from 1995 to 2001. Upon its start in 1995, Obama was appointed Board Chairman and President of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Geesh, that alone connects all three. Well, it branches out even more from there.

Ayers co-chaired the organization’s Collaborative, which set the education policies of the Challenge. Oddly enough, Obama was the one who was authorized to delegate to the Collaborative in regards to its programs and projects. In addition to that, Obama often times had to seek advice and assistance from the Ayer’s led Collaborative in regards to the programmatic aspects of grant proposals. Ayers even sat on the same board as Obama as an “ex officio member”. They both also sat together on the board of the CAC’s Governance Committee. Obama and Ayers were two parts of a group of four who were instructed to draft the bylaws that would govern the CAC. Keep in mind that the “A” in CAC is for Annenberg, the owners of FactCheck.org. The funding for Ayer’s projects and those of his cronies was approved by Board Chair, Barack Obama.

Google William "Bill" Ayers, Weather Underground, see who helped Barak launch his political career.

And you SteelerNation are an embarassment to all people in Pittsburgh, past, present and future... IF you don't actually live there, if I were Dan Rooney I'd be looking to make you change your handle... embarassing a great team.

With all the back and forth on the Presidental candidates, I would rather not vote than vote for Romney because he scares me on so many levels, and lies.. Here's the thing, folks need to do a "ah ha" and look at the VP candidates also. Biden is older, and yeah, I admit a bit dramatic at times, misspeaks (which we ALL DO), but has 40 years in DC on very high ranking Senate subcommittees.... you really think Ryan is more qualified to be near that oval office and red button if tragedy struck... He screws up photo op in Ohio, cost the charity $$ because of angry donors..... and you want HIM negotiating with China, Iran, or anyone?? Not me

Does anybody else smell desperation in Beverly's posts?

Mainbound, Ryan is more qualified than Obama was when Obama was running for President. What's your point? Bidden was a buffoon in the debate, is that who you would want negotiating with China, Iran or anyone?

We already have 40% of the arms in the world. If we elect Mitt Romney, the ENTIRE WORLD WOULD EXPECT us TO "LIBERATE" THEM

ARE YOU TAKING ABOUT "WASTED" DOLLARS? THE WASTE IS GOING TO BE EXTRAORDINARY WITH THE MILITARY. NEVER MIND THE HUMAN LOSS.

THE MONEY DOES NOT GO TO VETS, IT GOES TO PRIVATE BUSINESS AND 'ENTREPENURIALS'JUST LIKE MITT ROMNEY

The deficit wasn't such a big deal when W was in office.

SDMF - It sure was to then-candidate Obama when he said during his '08 campaign:

A ten trillion dollar national debt is "Unpatriotic".

Teaparty teaparty is alive and well, some one has to stand up to the Democrat spending machine...is 16 TRILLION NO ENOUGH DEBT FOR OUR GRANDKIDS?

ROMNEY 2012

Dumbest people on earth are pro-Nobama. You seriously are the dumbest people on earth. Crisis and chaos are staring you right in the face and what do you do? Put the guy who exacerbated the situation right back in there.

THE dumb AND ignorant PEOPLE IS THE PEOPLE THAT CONTINUE IGNORING THE FACT THAT IT WAS A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT THAT TOOK US TO THE EDGE OF THE CLIFF.

Hopefully you have good savings, because they WILL STRIP YOU FROM YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY, TO pay subsidies to oil companies.

Because they really need the money.

Mainebound...(#2.9)... " Biden is older, and yeah, I admit a bit dramatic at times, misspeaks (which we ALL DO), but has 40 years in DC on very high ranking Senate subcommittees.... you really think Ryan is more qualified to be near that oval office and red button if tragedy struck"

You crack me up !!!....Biden ??? ....Really ???....he ran twice in the Democrat Primary for President....never getting more than 1% Support.....Even the Dems knew he wasn't Presidential Material....and this is the guy you would rather have next to that red button ?????

"Biden had felt poorly physically during parts of the campaign, suffering repeated headaches and at one point in September 1987 having to halt a speech in New Hampshire for 15 minutes after feeling faint.^[32] In February 1988, he suffered the first of two brain aneurysms that required life-saving surgery and seven months away from the Senate in order to convalesce.^[40][41][42] Biden and others would speculate that had his campaign not ended early, the aneurysms might have been more severe or detected later and that he might not have lived out the year"...That and the Plagiarism problem.

"Biden withdrew from the nomination race on September 23, 1987, saying his candidacy had been overrun by "the exaggerated shadow" of his past mistakes.^[38] His formal campaign had lasted only three and a half months."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_presidential_campaign,_1988

Fast Forward to 2008:

"During the campaign, Biden focused on his plan to achieve political success in the Iraq War through a system of federalization. He touted his record in the Senate as the head of several congressional committees and experience in foreign policy. Despite a few notable endorsements, Biden failed to garner significant support in opinion polls, and was marred by controversial comments made while campaigning. He ultimately dropped out of the race on January 3, 2008, after capturing less than 1% of the vote in the Iowa caucus.^[4]""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_presidential_campaign,_2008

Romney/Ryan 2012

If NBC is reporting race is tied it must be way worse than that .

ssmithlg - What you've posted on factcheck.org is an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory originally made long ago. Mr. Berg made that claim during the last election cycle while he was filing court cases claiming that President Obama was not born in the US. It was disproven then and is still false.

Heck, Mr. Berg completely ignored that Mrs. Leonore Annenberg was a Republican that endorsed and supported Sen. McCain.

If it was disproved then what makes you think the same accusation has somehow changed and now it's true?

Voting for Romney is the same as handing the keys to the drunk driver that drove the car in the ditch the first time. It's testament on how stupid and gullible people have become. If someone can't see how this guy continually lies and changes positions then they truly are blind. The scary thing is that supposedly intellectual right wing people are now jumping on board and defending the lies put forth.

justredd - how about checking where the HUGE majority of the deficit came from? (Hint - President Reagan and President G. W. Bush) And how about remembering that a significant part of the current 16 trillion dollar deficit comes directly from the debt service on the Republican deficit inherited by President Obama. And how about checking out the last time we had a surplus? (Hint - President Clinton)

VP Cheney stated the Republican perspective VERY clearly when he said, "Deficits don't matter."

Ayup! 94% of our national debt comes from just 3 people.

Reagan

Bush

bush/cheney

If those 3 had just balanced their budgets we would now have almost no national debt.

U.S. National Debt Graph + Voodoo-Economics Slides

miklkit:

You aren't posting that with a straight face, are you?

O added $6 trillion in debt in 3+ years. $10 trillion is now $16 trillion.

Independent thought:

I assume you don't believe in Facts. mitkit is trying to get you toook at the facts as posted on the OFFICIAL Government web site. Bureaus of Public Debt.

Bush left the Country in a Bankrupt state with his Temporary Tax cuts and two illegal unfunded Wars. The bill has come due and it arrived when President Obama took office.

That is not very hard to understand but I know Republicans hate facts so you are entitled to believe what ever you hear and see on Faux news.

Just look at the facts. You have the right to believe any thing you want but the numbers do not LIE.

the only reason the obozo supporters are still clinging to their dear leader is the simple fact they dont want to be shown for what they really are: white-guilted idiots that fell for the hope and change bs and voted for a person because of his skin color and not his experience or character. bye bye barry and moochelle.

If America elects Romney/Ryan, we will immediately regret it.

Why exchange a gifted, likeable, compassionate President Obama for a guy who pissed off the British and Israelis on his maiden swing overseas? Why exchange a President who is committed to 100% of Americans, for a guy who thinks paying 14% of 20 million on his taxes is fair? Romney keeps talking about increasing spending on guns, tanks, planes and bases, while talking about tax cuts for the wealthiest. He's crazy.

Indenpent thought

O added $6 trillion in debt in 3+ years. $10 trillion is now $16 trillion.

Yeah its a good thing he spent that 6 trillion or we would still be in a depression or is that a recession I know when it comes to your definition its hard to tell!P.S.

Nice picture Uncle Henry I see you cleaned up your beard to bad they can;t do the same for your mind!

The full poll — which was conducted Oct. 17-20 among 1,000 registered voters and 816 likely voters — will be released at 6:30 pm ET tonight.

1816 people-thrust into temporary celebrity poolers status (no age demographic)

But among the wider pool of all registered voters in this new survey, Obama is ahead of Romney by five points, 49 percent to 44 percent.

Wider{a sum greater than)=More Votes...Conclusion: Tie?

When are people gonna realise that you can get any result from polls you want depending on where and from who you take it? These polls are all manipulation and speculation.

You might as well start crying and whining now liberals.

If NBC is reporting a tie you can guarantee that Romney has an insurmountable lead, and NBC is reporting a "tie" only so that they appear slightly less out of touch after Obama's massive loss.

Voting for Romney is the same as handing the keys to the drunk driver that drove the car in the ditch the first time

You're joking right? Really, you have to be joking. We have spent the last four years in neutral AT BEST. Actually, the poster boy for womens rights has overseen an additional 3.4 MILLION women in poverty than when he took office...his own white house has been called a hostile work environment for women, women make less in his administration than men do. Add to that the complete failure to add jobs, increased energy prices, additional debt and total leadership failure, I would think 'driving into the ditch' is the last analogy one would want to use.

Here is some "govt issue" for you to think about and it is no joke, its called unpaid for wars...like this one.
Financial corporate interests, Kuwait and exit theater would have been clever but then, Three hundred thousand slain and buried in one go in '91 and Bush 1 plays golf, says he's sorry, but geee garsh golly, he cannot help the folks he just told to rise up against Saddam and "you know, alls fair in love and war", said his official with that @!$%#ty slit eyed grin...and you wonder why the world no longer fancies the USA very much anymore?
Give us a fricking break. Catch up and watch some old news about Saddam, Kurds, mustard gas, the destruction of the Mandan in Eden...blowing up the Museum, on and on it goes.
You can fool some of the People some of the time but never all of the People all of the time. Note: President Obama was nowhere around to be blamed for any of this from the eighties onward...

Any American, after watching this, should be ashamed to vote for anyone endorsed and backed up by members of the watergate, coingate, war criminal club.
A real man can stand by his word because he has already considered the consequences of his actions.

Mismanaging, tricky dicky trained trumpet-blurting, braggadocio-loving, clueless clowns and liars attempting to fill the post of POTUS are one reason why I am voting for change and hope again, and I know that at least President Obama has a proven track record of keeping most of his promises this last four years, in spite of the congressional obstructionists...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-kept/

Watch Rumsfeld and Bush 1 and remember...
Saddam Hussein - The trial you will never see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeY05iS5iv0&feature=related

If you are not convinced by now, you are in denial or you are a part of the problem because you have just been provided with...

More real reasons why it is wise to vote for...

Obama/Biden 2012.

SOME ONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME:

i understand why welfare leeches want obama in office..

But why do hard working TAX PAYING americans want obamacare and all the welfare rights?

Don't people understand we just letting america be lazy by rewarding these people?

its not fair that the woman next door with 10 kids has no job, lights and house paid for (by gov), and a

monthly income thats higher then mine and i bust my ass 6 days a week!

I am a single mother and my child has never been a welfare baby..

I GET some people NEED help ( for a short time) but 95% LIVE on welfare.. AND SOME R HERE

ILLEGALLY!

The government is rewarding lazy!

ALSO explain to me how can you want obamacare?

My grandmother in canada (they have socialized medicine) is sick with heart conditions..

She has to wait months at a time to see a doctor.. AND if she ever needs a heart transplant

when its her turn the governemnt will decide if she CONTRIBUTES enough to society..

So God forbid if one of your family members/loved ones needs a transplant under obamacare..

and they are denied due to a person 10 years younger then them bellow them on the transplant list due to

age and other factors..

I could careless about same sex marriage/abortion and all the other petty issues *in my eyes* im worried

about my well being and tax dollars and this country..

No need to be rude just my thoughts..

Romney/Ryan 2012

Careful Michael... you're confusing the right with the facts. They don't want the truth... just the RWNJ voice in their heads.

Barry Soetoro Barack Obama campaigned on closing Gitmo...and it's still open.

Barry Soetoro Barack Obama campaigned on letting the Patriot Act expire..and signed its extension in 2009.

Barry Soetoro Barack Obama was for gay marriage in 2006, against it 2008, and then magically for it again in 2012 when Blithering Bumbling Biden embarrassed/forced him into talking about it.

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a Sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. ...Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here'. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

SENATOR BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, MARCH 2006

Yup...and then raised the debt ceiling multiple times after being elected.

Uh-oh, what's this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA9KC8SMu3o

Yup, Barry said he'd "put on a pair of comfortable shoes" and march with labor if they ever try to take collective bargaining away ... and oddly, just couldn't be found in Madison, WI.

Good thing Obama doesn't lie, I guess. ;>)

Republicons will lie, cheat, disenfranchise and steal to win the election. They did it before in 2000 and they are doing it now! They use nazi tactics in order to keep the American aristocracy of one-percenters in power!

michael is as delusional as the rest of those obozo dumbocrats. talk about someone who just plainly and factually lies thru their teeth. OBOZO- yes thats right OBOZO and yall want such a muslim and communist raised and mentored by the likes of frank marshall davis to sit at the top of our beloved country. u dumbocrats need to wake up and c what obozo is doing to all americans. he is destroying from within and that is the way to destroy anything. all he can do is stand up there and make jokes thinking he is something. he is something a big LOSER. what a JOKE he is. its just the start him letting those AMERICANS in bengazi get killed. hes apologizing to the wrong people. what a dunce. i could go on and on about this LOSER, he makes me sick.

John, they are going to try. Diebold and little Tagg Romney have their claws into the voting machines in Ohio. They are expecting to repeat 2004, where at 12:05 AM on election night, over 330,000 votes moved from Kerry to Bush.

Just sent the bribery bill to Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers.

2012 White House hostile takeover attempt. They have invested a lot of money here, and they want to install Willard as their CEO. Let's hope that enough Americans stand up and refuse to let their votes be purchased.

Republicons will lie, cheat, disenfranchise and steal to win the election. They did it before in 2000 and they are doing it now! They use nazi tactics in order to keep the American aristocracy of one-percenters in power!

No, John N, you have it backwards.

Bush won BOTH STATEWIDE counts in FL in 2000, it was Gore and a rogue liberal FL State Supreme Court that tried to cheat...Gore tried to convince the country that recounting four democratic counties he already won by a landslide was the only way "to count all the votes." Then, when the rogue FL State Supreme Court gave him a two chances to just change the counting rules (laws that were already in place) to suit his needs, the US Supreme Court had to step in to stop Gore from trying to cheat his way into the White House.

Independent auditing firms that recounted FL after all this nonsense prove Bush won anyway, but that doesn't stop the whining left from trying to claim the opposite all these years.

Robme lied 533 times in 30 weeks.

Robme lied 27 times in 38 minutes during the first debate.

You support that lying Mittwit.

What does that make you?

Mitt Romney tells 533 lies in 30 weeks, Steve Benen documents them

Jax A - there were significant irregularities in Florida. Starting with an improper purge of the voter registration files and ending with people being turned away from the polls (even though they were in line before the closing time).

Fact is, the SCOTUS ruled 5-4 that the Florida recount that was underway should be halted, partially incomplete. At that time President Bush was leading by about 150 votes.

Had the recount been completed, it's still unknown who would have won because of multiple recount standards being used in the different districts. Some recounts made after the election show Bush, some show Gore as the winner depending on the standard used.

The "liberal Florida State Supreme Court" was bound by law to uphold the Florida election laws as written which allowed for the challenges made by Mr. Gore. The SCOTUS decision to stop the process because they stated there was insufficent time to establish a single standard by which to do the recount.

Had the recount been completed, it's still unknown who would have won because of multiple recount standards being used in the different districts. Some recounts made after the election show Bush, some show Gore as the winner depending on the standard used.

All except one or two "standards" used by the independent accounting firms that counted the votes after the election showed Bush won. But it's "election night"...not "election quarter" and it's based on the laws and standards in place at the time, not standards you want to change or invent because you lost.

"Had the recount been completed..." If, if, if...that's all Gore was going on.

The recount HAD been completed. When the first count had such a slim margin, the state law mandated that the ENTIRE state be recounted, which it was. And Bush won that count as well. It should have been over at that point.

Recounting four democratic counties that Gore already won by a landslide was certainly no "count all the votes" solution...it was a duck hunt. Even worse, the second thing Gore tried was to be able to count the votes that were thrown out based on the standards/laws in place at the time of the vote! The US Supreme Court was correct to uphold the Equal Protection clause of the 14th amendment and stop Gore from cheating.

Funny how people complained about registration purging only after they didn't like the result...and assumed "all voters turned away" (yeah right, would vote for Gore). What about all the "irregularities" where Gore tossed out all the military absentee ballots? Ooops....

JaxA,

Barack Obama campaigned on closing Gitmo...and it's still open.

Republican's fault. Well no let me phrase that better, Congress' fault; although the House is Republican controlled. Obama want's to close it but Congress, namely most Republicans and some Democrats, will not allow Gitmo detainees to be held in US prisons.

They will also not allow them to be released either so Gitmo stays open until either they cave and allow them to be held in the prison system or Obama caves and has them executed.

Yup...and then raised the debt ceiling multiple times after being elected.

Every President since the end of WWII has raised the debt ceiling and Mitt/Obama and every hypothetical President to come will too. Stop being woefully ignorant on the subject.

Every President since the end of WWII has raised the debt ceiling and Mitt/Obama and every hypothetical President to come will too. Stop being woefully ignorant on the subject.

Well Geowil, maybe Obama himself shouldn't have said this, unless of course, he was being woefully ignorant:

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the

US Government can not pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here." Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

JaxA -

"But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots."

"Properly counting overseas ballots would have given Gore victory"

"Democrat Al Gore was selected on 80,772 of the overvote ballots, twice as many as Republican George W. Bush"

"Overvotes went 3:1 to Gore on Palm Beach’s “butterfly ballot”"

http://issues2000.org/Florida_Recount_Official.htm

Note that in other statements they also went onto say under what circumstances that Bush would have won. ANd how/why he was awarded the state.

Fact is, the manual recount as allowed for under Florida law was halted by the SCOTUS on a 5-4 vote. The manual recount, as allowed for under Florida law (yes, I repeated that to stress it) was never completed.

JaxA,

That statement means little to the reality of the situation. All it is is a soundbite in comparison. No Congress nor President will ever veto a reasonable bill that raises the debt ceiling. They have a constitutional responsibility to raise it as the Constitution demands that the Government be able to pay off its debts and expenditures.

So you either raise the debt ceiling or you raise taxes by 30 to 45% across the board to increase revenue and cut spending at the same time to allow for surpluses that can be used to pay down the federal debt and whatever money it owes out and still remain in the black.

Thank you for those facts Matthew, Geowil, Miklkitt, It boggles my mind to think of what may have been had Al Gore been able to win out and take his rightful seat as our next POTUS in 2000/2001. But then, the Americans went along with the cute cowboy kid and got this instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnimqqWcqQU&feature=related

The cow kid was cute but it looks like they've put out the new model and gone back to the greasy brown haired Nixon/Dole style in the show room for this year. Think they'll buy it? Hmmmm...

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JaxA -

"But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots."

More "might have" and "if, if, if." Again, why were the first two counts of the entire state invalid? Did both of those counts reject ballots incorrectly? This was the VERY problem. You don't just go back and recount JUST rejected ballots, which was the very nature of one of the pathetic ploys of the Gore campaign. They were rejected due to the laws and standards in place during the first count on election night, and the state-mandated entire state-wide recount.

In fact the title of the section in that article you linked to is (http://issues2000.org/Florida_Recount_Official.htm):

Gore won if rejected ballots counted; but Bush won on manual recount

So in other words, the only way Gore could win is by cheating... by trying to include ballots that were supposed to be rejected based on standards and laws in place during the election.

"Properly counting overseas ballots would have given Gore victory"

Cute parsing of an even cuter supposition. The first sentence in that paragraph in your slanted article says:

"A statistical analysis conducted for The Times determined that if all counties had followed state law in reviewing the absentee ballots, Gore would have picked up as many as 290 additional votes, enough to tip the election in Gore’s favor in some of the situations studied in the statewide ballot review."

Let's see, a statistical analysis from the NY Times? Yeah, that ought to be non-biased, huh? And when words like "picked up AS MANY AS" are thrown around it makes the desperation even more apparent. But to put the icing on the hyperbole cake? "As many as" a number of votes had to be part of the one or two counting standards invented after the election for Gore to "possibly" have won, based on a biased newspaper's analysis. Far-reaching, grasping, and invented counting standards after the election by a biased news organization giving approximations hardly proves anything, except a vivid imagination and a desperate desire to change undesired results.

Gore called everyone and their mother to be sure absentee ballots without "proper post-marking" NOT be counted. And MANY military ballots from overseas were kicked out for this very reason because of the postage-paid envelopes...and those were the ballots that made it. Some, mysteriously, just never arrived.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2008/05/27/election-2000-media-continue-downplay-fls-military-ballots-controversy

From your slanted article:

"But Gore chose not to challenge these ballots because many were from members of the military overseas, and Gore did not want to be accused of seeking to invalidate votes of men and women in uniform."

That's exactly what happened, and exactly why so many military ballots were kicked out. And anyone telling you that the majority of military votes were going to Gore would be fooling only themselves.

"Democrat Al Gore was selected on 80,772 of the overvote ballots, twice as many as Republican George W. Bush"

Another translation, "Gore would have won if he could have cheated and counted votes that were supposed to be thrown out." Or another translation would be "When stupid voters selected more than one candidate for president, of course the voter meant Gore!"

"Overvotes went 3:1 to Gore on Palm Beach’s “butterfly ballot”"

See a pattern forming? Rejected ballots being allowed is the only way Gore could cheat his way into the White House.

Note that in other statements they also went onto say under what circumstances that Bush would have won. ANd how/why he was awarded the state.

Fact is, the manual recount as allowed for under Florida law was halted by the SCOTUS on a 5-4 vote. The manual recount, as allowed for under Florida law (yes, I repeated that to stress it) was never completed.

The manual recount, at first, was just for four democratic counties Gore already won by a landslide. Sure, the law stated he could recount just the counties he wanted, but the whole "let's count all the votes" mantra the democrats were wailing didn't mean "let's count all the votes" at all. That had been done, twice, already. He just didn't like the result. So he wanted to go mining for more votes in four counties where he was likely to find or create some. Then, he tried to convince the FL Supreme Court to allow him to go to all the counties and re-count just the rejected ballots. How anyone could see either of these two methods as "counting all the votes" and a valid recount is beyond any kind of sane reasoning. The US Supreme Court had to put a stop to it because Gore was never going to stop until he could find a scenario and vote count that gave him the presidency, initial results be damned, and the mandated state-wide recount be damned...and more importantly because of the violation of Article II, Section 1 and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the US Constitution.

Jax A - I feel your pain.

You actually QUOTED the president directly:

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that theUS Government can not pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here." Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

In his OWN WORDS.. and the Obamabots STILL respond:

That statement means little to the reality of the situation.

Thereby PROVING your point.

IN HIS OWN WORDS and they still don't get it.

The man doesn't know what he's doing. (OR either he knows Exactly what he's doing.. it just has nothing to do with honoring his oath of office.. you be the judge)

Is there any doubt in your mind that these people are just too far gone to try and infuse any logic, fact, data or reason into the argument. They are COMPLETELY Impervious to the logical, rational thought processes.