R & R, "Drill Baby Drill" for his 1% buddies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do yourself a favor. Watch "You Tune" Ultimate Mitt Romney Flip Flop Collection.

You will not believe what you are watching. It's right from the horses mouth.

Ryan is so misinformed-The Environmental Protection Agency overseas this domain-Power Providers are electively closing dirty coal plants that use legacy or out of date technology. Plants close normally as costs improve elsewhere for example wind turbine technologies. Of course those production capacities are being replaced by new lower pollution, higher efficiency types of systems. The higher the efficiency the lower the cost of operation.

With all of the credit Ryan and Romney attribute to the President's direct role in everything---it is obvious that unlike them-he must be getting an amazing amount of work accomplished.

Any easy way to evaluate the genuine value his crying is to consider that energy production must keep pace with consumption-so unless President Obama declared that lots of folks won't have electrical service-Then the correct answer is obvious.

Monongahela Power recently completed a year-long study of its older, unscrubbed regulated coal-fired units to determine the potential impact of significant changes in environmental regulations. FirstEnergy said it was determined that additional investments to implement MATS and other environmental rules would make these plants even less likely to be dispatched. As a result, the decision was made to retire these West Virginia plants rather than continue operations.

You're delusional..The only thing Romney will do is find a way to outsource those jobs to China and India so he can make a quick buck...why would a man worth $200Million want a job making $400,000? He wants to change the tax codes so he pays ZERO in taxes for him and his friends, in the meantime they want Police, Fire and safe highways, why doesn't Romney move to The Bahamas, The Cayman Islands and Switzerland and retire with his Loot.

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Poor Lyin' talks about early voting -

actually Ohio RepubliCONs took it away first for this 2012 election. These sinister RepubliCONs believed that Democratic voters - often poor minimum wage earners - don't want to waste their hours lost in voting on Tuesday-election day, but early voting would allow those minimum wage earners to find time to vote during weekends.

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But judges said NO, disappointing these RepubliCONs so much.

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A win for the poor and lower middle - class that would have been disenfranchised.

The following link will keep you informed of all the new coal facilities using the latest technology and carbon sequestering.

Coal kills the miners, the mining towns, the mountains, rivers and valleys, the air, children, moms, babies. Coal corporations violate worker safety and kill workers. If you love coal and burn burn burn the fossil fuels, go to China. They don't have any regs. That's why you can't see the sun in their major industrial cities. Romney is in bed with those who profit from the death of humans and the only planet we've got.

"OHIOANS" are going to put COAL in Romney's SOCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.....Saturday's Pennsylvania rally marked only the third public appearance in the state by the seven- term Wisconsin congressman.

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Why? because now Pennsylvania is lost for the GOP after judges invalidated PENN's photo ID law - GOP's conspiracy against lower-middle class voters who are often core Democratic voters.

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After the Photo ID law was enacted by Republi@!$%#s, the chairman of PENN state GOP was ecstatic -saying that finally GOP will get PENN into GOP column.

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but judges recently (early October) invalidated this law, saying there is not enough time for voters to apply for photo IDs which can prevent rare fraud, but too tall a task with only few days left before election. Judges said this photo ID law is good for future elections. But GOP had this law to exactly steal this 2012 election.

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Gladly for the cause of democracy...another GOP conspiracy of disenfranchise minorities was foiled.

Lyan, STFU and get a real job.

Ryan just can't stop lyin'.

The war on coal is being waged by natural gas, not any government.

If they can't clean up their act and produce a product that doesn't harm people ("clean coal") at a price per BTU that is less than Natural gas then they should shut down until they can compete. A cheap price for now but requiring the federal superfund to clean up their mess later does not reflect the true cost of production.

ps My uncle died in a bump in 1958 along with 73 of his buddies.

Ryan is reminding me a lot of Zoolander. One day in a coal mine and "I think I got a but of the black lung Papa." He's almost as smart as Zoolander as well.

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"OBAMA Rules and R & R are fools" !!!!!!!!!!!

As dirty as coal is, it is better than fracking. Fracking is the worst. Fracking poisons the groundwater. Go to Youtube and look up "fracking" and "Dimock, Pennsylvania." Also check out "Gasland" and "Bakken, North Dakota." There are people whose water is icky brown and some can light it on fire. Cattle are sick and dying and some people have boils on their skin.

Unfortunately, both candidates are pro-fracking.

Ryan should have explained to these voters how Vulture/Voucher have tried to take MediCare away from these voters who have worked so hard in life with the comfort from knowing that government has at least managed a reliable Medicare system to help them in their old age......But now Vulture/Voucher tries to take it away.

I agree in someways Emp, others no. Coal is worse. But that said much of our coal doesn't stay here. Look to China for where coal goes.

People just don't get it. They think it stays here. What fools.

US coal exports increased rapidly in 2011, returning to levels not seen since the early 1990s,^[1] and accelerating to keep up with rapidly rising global demand.

The U.S. is the world's fourth-largest source of coal exports in the world, after Australia, Indonesia and Russia (1st, 2nd and 3rd, respectively). Unused port capacity on the east coast and major expansions proposed for the west coast mean that U.S. coal exports could rapidly overtake Indonesia and Russia.

Environmental concerns about rising coal production primarily include the global impacts of increased CO2 build-up as well as air, water and toxic waste pollution that is inevitably a product of coal use.

"Because the impacts of CO2 emissions are global in nature, it makes no difference from a climate change perspective whether coal mined in Wyoming is consumed in Chicago or Shanghai," said a July, 2011 report by the Columbia Law School's Center for Climate Change. "With coal export volumes poised to increase dramatically in the near- to medium-term, circumstances call for more comprehensive legal and policy response." ^[2]

One short-term factor driving up US coal exports in 2011 was extensive flooding in Australia that delayed coking coal shipments to Asian countries for steel production.^[3] But this is only the beginning, industry analysts say.

Longer term factors include the contrast between declining US demand for coal and increasing European and strong rising Asian demand.

US domestic demand for coal will probably decrease from the current 44 percent of US electrical production to as low as 22 percent within the next 20 years, according to some analysts. Demand in the U.S. is dropping primarily due to new natural gas reserve discoveries and Clean Air Act regulations. ^[4]

In contrast, demand for coal is rapidly rising in Asia. U.S. coal exports to China surged from 2009 to 2010, jumping from 387,000 tons (January-September) to over 4 million tons the following year. Demand for US coking and steam coal also grew rapidly in Japan, India, and South Korea. Industry forecasters anticipate a "30-year super cycle in global coal markets." U.S. companies hope to cash in on the market and dramatically increase coal exports, especially from the Powder River Basin (PRB) of Wyoming and Montana through ports on the US west coast. ^[5]

U.S. coal exports rose 49 percent during the first quarter of 2011 compared to the previous quarter, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration the .^[6]

In November 2011 the DOE reported that six seaports on the Gulf Coast and East Coast of the United States account for the bulk of the country's coal exports. Additionally the report noted, "Six seaports accounted for 94% of U.S. coal exports in 2010, up from 63% in 2000. Over 68% of total U.S. coal exports in 2010 were coking coal, which is used in making iron and steel. Steam coal, used to generate electricity, comprised the remaining 32% of exports."^[7]

In 2011 US exported 107,259 thousand short tons of coal. This was the highest level of coal exports since 1991. More impressive: exports recorded a more than 25% leap compared to the previous year, 2010.^[8][9]

It was reported in 2012 that coal exports in the United States were on track to set a new annual record.^[10]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=U.S._coal_exports

So if any of you fool Republitards believe the BS coming out of Lyan's mouth you too are morons.

You're just making others Rich and sending the coal to China at the cost of American Miners dying in mine where the Republicans want to deregulate the EPA right out of.

hjack

You libs are panicking. Getting a little scared? Worried about your welfare checks and food stamps?

Better be out job-hunting. Reality is coming.

Job hunting? In America? For WHAT jobs?
In order to get a job, Americans would have to move where the conservatives like Bush and Cheney sent the jobs: to China.
It's the perfect conservative plan. Have all the working stiff liberals move to China and leave America to the One Percenters.

Nice

It's Halloween - and Poor Lyin' is coming to town, taking away your medicare.

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Be very scared - very very mediScared.

R & R Priorities is the 1%, the 47% can Rot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ryan continues to lie. We need to move forward to help ALL Americans not just the 2% rich as rommey wants.

The Koch Baggers are Threatening their workers jobs for the keystone pipeline, don't let the 1% buy our Democracy, "Wake up America" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The consumption of natural gas by electric power generators has been increasing each year since 2009 as lower natural gas prices allowed natural gas-fired generators to compete with coal-fired generators. Coal generation shares declined in some regions (such as the Southeast) in response to declining natural gas prices through 2010 and 2011, and then more broadly across the United States when gas prices dropped precipitously in the first half of 2012. Natural gas demand at electric power plants was particularly high this past spring and summer. However, natural gas prices have generally increased since April, the lowest point for natural gas prices during 2012.

During the first half of 2012, lower consumption of coal at electric power plants led to high coal stocks and a decrease in spot prices for eastern coal. Higher-than-normal coal stocks may continue to place downward pressure on coal prices. Also, high stocks could lead to additional coal burn if the size of coal stockpiles becomes a major concern. Utilities may also resell coal, even rerouting purchases before they are delivered to the plant. Coal is also being exported in growing volumes.

www.power-eng.com/news/2012/10/19/electricity-generation-from-coal-and-natural-gas-both-increased-with-summer-heat.html

Hey Pigotry, now that's funny "SALUTE" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, @wutzer (#1.33)

At pigotry: You SHOULD be questioning how many people are and will be OUT of work in the coal industry, and what good did the auto bail-out do for America? Unless you think the trillion dollar deficit is good

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If you (wutzer) care about deficit, fine, you have freedom of speech. But if you really want the deficit down, you should vote Democrat, because Democrats want to raise taxes on the super-rich, more revenue, thus less deficit. Republicans just lower taxes for the rich, but decide to borrow more to spend, thus higher deficit.

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When Bush took over with vast budget surplus, his economic team didn't like the surplus, because many members were from the Wall Street - no deficit, no borrowing and lending, less businesses for Wall Street, no use for fiscal policy. They decided to gave the rich a big bonus - the Bush tax cut was one stone two birds for the financial industry and rich bankers on wall street. First tax cut for the rich gave the rich more money. Second the tax cut would increase the deficit, thus more financial lending and borrowing business for the Waall Street to do speculation on - side effect? the Recession

Ryan, like his partner, Romney, is a habitual liar.

OBAMA IN 2012.

Mitt suffers from Romnesia,

Anne suffers from Annesia (amnesia?),

What a couple! And after Nov. 6,

both are moving to Polynesia.

Anyone can see that Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney really care about coal miners. Both of my grandfathers were coal miners and somehow I can't see them cozying up to Mitt. When it comes to coal mining, here's a little question that reasonable people might pose: Who do you think will do a better job of imposing regulations that will prevent massive mine disasters like Massey Energy has recently given us? Does anybody think that Mitt will give a damn about mine safety? And what about strip mining? Does anybody think Mitt will enforce regulations designed to prevent poisonous runoff and stream killing dumps from the mountains above? Does anybody care if Appalachia turns into one big burning mountain or one big sludge pile? I have seen the incredible sores in the mountains of Eastern Kentucky and Eastern Tennessee when the strip mine operators just tear off the top or half of the top of a mountain and push the crap into the stream below. It is one of the most tragic things I have ever seen. My maternal grandfather broke his leg in a mine cave-in, and the man beside him lost his life. I care much about miners. But safety is important. And until the coal industry makes good on designing a coal fired plant that sequesters the carbon and much of the air born pollution, coal still poses big problems. And the same can be said of fracking. Some things are dangerous - and can be extremely dangerous without regulation. If the government does not force mine operators to prevent implosions, explosions, and strip mine run off, many people are killed and the beauty of the land is destroyed for generations. And when you can light your water spigot in your kitchen sink, I think that is a serious problem also. Unfortunately, some people are so greedy they don't care if their neighbor's water well is ruined or their neighbor's creeks are completely destroyed. It's just drill baby drill and strip mine it all to hell.

Wow, Nov. 6th

Ryan could lose his seat in Congress.

The people in his district are seeing the real Ryan.

Ray W.

I live in West Virginia, I know full well what is going on and a large part of the problem is the same problem that West Virginia always has had, uninformed, poorly educated and gullible people.

Obama is not the person forcing coal miners out of work. Regulations forcing coal plants to close because they do not want to spend to upgrade, cheaper prices of natural gas that is now dominating parts of the state and more companies switching to cleaner alternatives are the main motivators for miners losing jobs.

Think states like West Virginia are bad now? Wait and see what happens if Romney gets in office and how many people in West Virginia go from bad to worse.

This is the first purchase in the United States of low-carbon power from a
power plant that uses carbon capture technology.

When operational, the 400-MW facility located just west of Midland-Odessa,
Texas, will be the cleanest coal-fueled power plant in the world. Using a
state-of-the-art process known as integrated gasification combined cycle (IGCC),
the total amount of carbon dioxide emitted into the atmosphere from this plant
will be less than 10 percent of a conventional coal plant with similar energy
output, and less than 25 percent of a high-efficiency natural gas-powered power
plant.

It will also be capable of capturing 90 percent of the carbon dioxide
(CO₂) it produces, as well as 99 percent of sulfur dioxide, 90
percent of nitrogen oxide, and 99 percent of mercury.

energy.gov/articles/utility-purchase-low-carbon-power-innovative-clean-coal-plant

Doah-foot in mouth.

REC-1797069 the EPA is under Obama control with his appointee doing all the dirty work. We cannot afford to close down plant. We need to upgrade these plant and continue to produce American Coal,Gas and oil. We need to stop importation and use our own resource.

So easy...OBAMA 2012!

Tagg Romney, the son of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, has purchased electronic voting machines that will be used in the 2012 elections in Ohio, Texas, Oklahoma, Washington and Colorado. - So what would TEApublicans do if it were discovered an Obama family member owned machines in swing states?

For those that have forgotten, President Obama offered a "grand bargain" to the Republicans offering three dollars in spenidg cuts for every one dollars in revenue in (and that increase was primarily from the closure of tax loopholes for big businesses). This would have reduced the deficit. It was rejected by the Republicans. It was mathematically possible and it wold have worked.

It's also mathematically impossible for Gov. Romney's "tax plan" to work. It cannot reduce the deficit w/o dramatically increasing taxes on both the middle class and the working poor (while it reduces taxes for the rich).

Seriously consider the alternatives here, folks. Do you want someone who will propose something that works or someone that proposes impossible things? It's real simple when you look at the numbers and the facts.

Yo Rayan!

Stop tall telling the people of Ohio or West Virginia that Obama did this....

The truth of the matter is Obama has nothing to do the choice made by utility companies. They are gradually switching from coal to natural gas turbines for cost efficiency and profit reasons. Even Steel industries have long been abandoning the use of coal and switching to elector-magnetism to melt iron and like.

He did not tell them switch to natural gas. Some are using wind turbine and i am sure you are going to blame that on him too.....

Where is Jesus. I am filing a complaints!

Hey Pigotry, Please excuse my manners but I think R & R Suck !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I see the liberal drones are out in full force today. They repeat the same garbage on every story that gets posted about Romney/Ryan, it's very comical. I was surprised not to see a post from the Red Menace.

I'm going to invent a machine that burns republicans for fuel.

You could accomplish the same thing by putting them on a Gerbil wheel with a picture of Obama in front of them, connected to a generator. They would produce enough electricity chasing after him to replace coal and nuclear power.

I was surprised not to see a post from the Red Menace.

Funny, we never see liberals post Obama is a communist - that is owned exclusively by the TPGOP. Go Feisty!!

This list of members of the United States Congress by wealth includes only current members of congress.

There are more Democrats represented.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_United_States_Congress_by_wealth

This list of members of the United States Congress by wealth

Referencing the list above, I find curious is the notion that somehow the GOP Organized Crime Syndicate has your best interests at heart when in fact some very wealthy people are insisting that your rights are preserved. Just a conjecture but it may be more accurate to consider that maybe lots of Republicans are down on their luck.

Mitt Romney-Bain Capital-Breaking the back of previously successful companies then high-tailing it to the next hostile take-over. Eventually the well runs dry.

Ryan just doesnt know what he is doing. He needs to come up with something catchy that all the sheeple can relate too! Like, America has O'bamarea. The symptoms include foreign gas, a poor performing lower intestine refinement, and excess waste! Maybe have some fart sounds as back ground ambiance while he describes it

"Gas prices have doubled since President Obama was elected; we are losing thousands of coal jobs;

It's funny how this idiot forgot that gas prices quadrupled under the previous republican administration and only dropped below 2.00$ a gallon for a few months before the 2008 elections in order to try to bs the voters for the republicans that helped them quadruple the prices. .99cent gas pump wars in 1999 to 4.21$ right up until voting season began in 2008.

"We also need to make sure we open up markets so we can make more things in America and sell them overseas. Make sure people trade fairly with us, open our markets so we can make more things in steel country and sell them all around the world. That creates good jobs."

Really now? I thought that those were how you and your buddies outsourced all those jobs overseas. Pretty sure we have free trade agreements with most of the major countries. Our trade agreement with China changed and is not so one sided anymore, who did that btw?

Who in China has money to buy products made here? Only another country with a similar standard of living CAN EVEN AFFORD TO BUY ANY OF OUR PRODUCTS. That limits the amount of possible sales and make cheap import possible. Who the f*** thought that was a good idea? There is a reason for tariffs and that is to protect or to encourage local businesses to produce the same goods. Of course everyone wants those short term gains that cannot be sustained. How can one country continue to export more then they import? Not possible, eventually the process must reverse. Best to limit it to what is needed. Less wasted fuel, energy, power used to ship crap around the world for no good reason. Less spread of disease, animals, insects, etc. too. Tariffs encourage local jobs instead of shipping jobs overseas as long as we have the materials, even then.

Was there not an article a little while back about how little the president has over the price of gas? Guess Pee Wee Herman missed that one huh?

I am going to conveniently forget everything I dislike about Romney. I have Romnesia!

Kornfed -Ryan just doesnt know what he is doing.

That much is glaringly obvious.

wutzer,

You wrote: "Have you stopped to actually ask those coal miners what they want? Why do you think West Virginia, a traditional Democratic stronghold, a running heavily for the Republicans this year. Democratic images of the coal mining industry is right out of the 1930's."

You are the WRONG side of the table if you think the miners get a voice. The mine owners will determine the future of both individual mines and the industry as a whole. The owners demand a profit, which they extracted from cheap coal from the 1900's through the 1950's at the expense of the miners. After miners finally gained some rights and protections, the price of coal rose. At the same time, choking clouds of coal smoke killed hundreds in London and scores in Pennsylvania. The continual coating of soot and ash from unscrubbed coal smoke from generating plants, industrial boilers and home heating stove and furnaces led most community to lay natural gas lines for household heating. At the same time railroads abandoned coal in favor of diesel due to maintenence costs. By the 1970's Republican President Richard Nixon was successfyl in Congressional passage of the Clean Water and Clean Air acts. More coal consumers were lost since gas or purchased electricity was cleaner and cheaper. Only larger scale electrical generation truly exists as coal's customer base today.

Today the coal industry continues to pronounce its economy, while ignoring the secondary costs to its customers to cleanup its waste products, and to society in its enviromental costs. Electric producers are moving from coal to other fuels or means due to CONSTRUCTION costs. Gas turbine gensets can be bought as a manufactured package, delivered to anywhere with a reliable pipeline source of gas. Coal burners are traditionally placed on navigeable rivers or main raillines, and must be built on-site due to their size and complexity.

I'm sure buggy and buggy-whip workers felt the same way you due today, but the automobile won. And today our streets are not full of horse manure and bloated bodies of dead dray animals.

My husband and I live in Utah, we BOTH work at the LARGEST COAL FIRED POWER PLANT in the western U.S. The power company, based in California has just spent about $15 Million on their"scrubber system", this is a system that is designed to clean the harmful chemicals from the plant's emissions. Most coal fired plants are required to have these systems. And because we live in a rural area, it is thought that this plant has a lesser impact on the environment. Anyway, it is plants like these, that are the most polluting, in spite of these scrubbers. Yes, coal plants provide coal jobs, but with the turn towards "clean energy", alot of these coal plants are looking to convert to natural gas. Including the one that we work for, we are not concerned for our jobs, yet, because we know that it will take time for tecnology to cath up. but for the younger people who are employed there, it will be a concern, because more than HALF of them will lose their lobs, and this plant is the largest employer in central Utah. And our coal mines are one of the largest employers, in eastern Utah. But, unless the coal industry can adapt, these jobs are in jeopardy.

This is what the coal miners have to say to 0bama and his lackeys in the media.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzU3oZLV8Hw

Mason-5692837

Kornfed -Ryan just doesnt know what he is doing.

That much is glaringly obvious

You make a picture perfect sheeple! Grats on your graduation of Liberal editing!

GOPis 1.57, talk about pollution, burn a republican and the earth would just get warmer from the grease. That is all the conservatives are pollution emitting machines.

Paul Mason... I ask you.. after listening to the last debate I want to know exactly what RR will do to save this country.. all I heard were things he would use EXEC PRIVILEGE to destroy most of what OBAMA has done for this country..

so if you know MORE things, cause those are fabulous things that will be wonderful for this country..get rid of , medicare, medicaid, AHCA, any loaws that allow abortions, etc..

if you heard more for that very confused and angry man please let us know what they are but be certain you include the FACTS.. since most republicans forget the facts and just get diarehia of the mouth

Ryan was not corn fed..:-) more like drinking from the teat. which makes thoe whoe thing cheesy.

Regarding the wealthy in Congress,

While we may think that Congressional Representatives and Senators are overpaid and over-rewarded, they absolutely reflect the top 0.000002% of the US population. The real joke in modern US politics is that anyone who is not rich (or the favorite of others who are) could afford to enter politics beyond the most local office in small towns or rural areas. With campaign budgets for a Represntative seat (contested every two years) starting at around $5million and going up to near $100million, and Senate seat races costing eac side $25million-over $100million; how do you get "average" Americans into Congress. Today, Angus King is running as an Independent for Senate, the RNC and various super-PACs are spending $10's of millions per month to defeat him and a relatively weak Democrat candidate. Do you think that his opponent is poor, or not connected by a virtual umbilical to wealthy interests if they are willing to spend that much?

Wealthy have always been at the core of the Founding Fathers, and American politics. George Washington was the richest man in America when he died (much of his wealth based on being the largest distiller of whiskey), Sam Adams was a prominent Boston business man, Thomas Jefferson was a wealthy Virginia planter, James Madison and James Monroe were both sons of planters, and John Hancock was the prototypic New York banking and shipping tycoon. Lincoln, though not "rich" was a very successful lawyer in Illinois' capital. The Roosevelt's were from old Dutch money (from when New York was New Amsterdam).

Kornfed

Mason-5692837

Kornfed -Ryan just doesnt know what he is doing.

That much is glaringly obvious

You make a picture perfect sheeple! Grats on your graduation of Liberal editing!

I take it that was written with a derogatory connotation implied. I discount GOP Zombies tirades and goads because in the same manner as expecting a teenager to act maturely it is simply beyond they're emotion stage of development. I have no clue what the Liberal reference implies or why it is desirable to be reticent. The following definition is referenced in your message.

Sheeple (a portmanteau of "sheep" and "people") is a term of disparagement in which people are likened to sheep, a herd animal.

A gallon of Gas has doubled in price under Obama, averaging $ 3.79 a gallon! Obama has also reduced, the amount of permits for licensing to drill for oil on Federal land by 17%! This quarter US GDP is 1.3%, worse this year than last year at the same time! Median household income in the US is down by 8.4%, since 2009! 2.3% fewer Americans are working today then when, Obama became President! The economy is getting worse!

Obama has also reduced, the amount of permits for licensing to drill for oil on Federal land by 17%

And yet oil production is up - uhm, go figure.

Bill Marvell

Regarding the wealthy in Congress,

While we may think that Congressional Representatives and Senators are overpaid and over-rewarded, they absolutely reflect the top 0.000002% of the US population.

The purpose of the reference was to moderate the general notion that building wealth or being successful in this country is bad or that wealthy people are some how all stingy types. Quite the opposite since at the absolute top of the list currently is of course Bill Gates-then Warren Buffett both whom have traveled the globe enlisting wealthy to give some back. Clinton Global Initiative-Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

In retrospect however some people a poor by choice because their habits preclude any possibility of good fortune-

www.clintonglobalinitiative.org/

www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/home.aspx

When you take a look at all his assault on oil and gas, he’s closing down oil and gas on our federal lands;

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THOSE FACTS BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!!!! THE GREAT AND POWERFUL REPUBLIC-OZ HAS SPOKEN!!!!!!!!

Actually I like this one. This is the truest lie you will ever hear. While Obama's Administration has indeed preserved more federal parks and federal wildlife preserves from the rape that is oil drilling, but he also offset that by increasing the number of lease and permits issued on PRIVATE lands. (And according to Republicans on every OTHER day of the year, private sector is WAYYYY better than public sector, in fact, Private sector is the ONLY one that counts, remember?)

Net Result?????

The USA pumps more barrels of oil each day than we did when Exxon-Mobile/Haliburton were President/VP.

That's right kids, Obama has assaulted gas and oil production, by allowing more of it than Bush/Cheney did...... Right now we are drilling and collecting more oil than we have since 1996.

And all of those Coal jobs he is crushing? He is killing Coal jobs by increasing permits and leases again, and we are mining more Coal today than we have in 20 years.

Amazing isn't it? we are producing MORE Coal, Oil and Natural Gas than we have in 20 years, and "SOMEHOW" that extra production is killing jobs.....

Oh, I get it..... It was the policies of Democrats that created the INCREASE in production, so The Party of "Not just no, but OH HELL NO", has to find a way to make it look bad, and the best they could do was say, "Hey, he cut drilling in Federal Wildlife Preserves."

LMAO...

Some one else mentioned the term "Romney Tsunami". I LIKE IT. It is a perfect description of what Romney will do this country if he wins. A Tsunami destroys almost everything in its path. Just like Romney will destroy what jobs we have left in this country.

But on the bright side, if Romney wins, China, India, and Cambodia will be ROLLING in new Jobs. Romney has PROVEN he can create jobs, OVERSEAS.

Risk1

A gallon of Gas has doubled in price under Obama, averaging $ 3.79 a gallon!

Buy a donkey... Of course the following reference clearly explains why fuel prices rise and why we do not have enough under our feet to extract in spite of the GOP Zombie Horde alarmist claims it is President Obamas fault.

www.whitehouse.gov/energy/gasprices

• Lyin Mitt and his sidekick Lyin Ryan are at it again. It's NOT massive new regulations by the Obama administration that's hurting coal. We haven't had any new clean air regulations since the Bush 41 administration more than 20 years ago. What's hurting coal is cheap natural gas.

Out here in whacko-whacko land, the big debt state of California, home of the illegal aliens, we happen to have all sorts of energy that we have difficulty providing to our residents due to the myriad of regulations our state has imposed. We even go further than the Feds in requirements.

We have numerous wind-farms where subsidies are received by investors for the purchase and installation of wind turbines. Good investments for the guys with the bucks, no so for the peons.

Then we have those good old boys in solar who contribute to the Obama campaign. We all know just what happened to those manufacturing companies and solar farmers - Chapter 11. Good job of investing taxpayer money Mr. Obama.

A recent news article from a print source talked about fracking at the oil fields in Bakersfield. Yep, a long-term study found NO issues with that drilling process. Government study too!

We also have numerous natural gas fields, however the state and Feds make it difficult for the property owners and the NG firms to extract from those fields.

And our wonderful legislators in Sacramento force the refineries to blend certain fuels during certain times of the year. We can't import gasoline from those surrounding state that have an excess, for the gas may not meet the required blend at the time of purchase.Thank you Democrat policy-makers in Sac for keeping the price of gas higher than the rest of the country.

And we have Nuke Plants, but the Dems wish to close them also. Again, prices for electricity increase. PG&E has a problem with pipes, and gas explodes in neighborhoods. Who pays for the law suits and repairs, not PG&E but the end-user, the citizens.

Yes we have issues, but government, whether state or Fed, believe they know what is best for the average citizen.

Not only is it time to remove Obama from office (as per his request) but also remove those professional politicians who own their campaign money from energy companies while talking out of the other side of their mouth condemning it.

Time to also outlaw those evil lobbyists that Obama said wouldn't be roaming the halls of Congress. Oh, did he ever get around to that promise? Naw, it when the way of his other promises.

Fillled up the fuel efficient Caddy SUV today at $4.39/gal. Thank goodness the Escalade gets 20mph in town per gallon! A shame it is a government motors car though.

Maxgiver, kind of like what Obama has done....executive order when he doesn't get his way...to cover up for the Dept of Justice regarding Fast and Furious? Actually, between Romney and Obama, Romney has actually proved he can work accross the isle with Democrats during his term in Massachussetts. Obama has NO such record.

Does anyone realize that the 7.8% unemployment is really due to the inclusion of part-time workers in the stats? Oh, and lets not forget that California (a Democratic leaning state), wasn't ready to report so they left those numbers out of the stats? Look up the details, don't just let the normally leading media (who is mostly democrats) tell you what to think.

Economically, we have seen the sorriest recovery in history for this country. If Obama had been smart, he and his administration (which was un-opposed during the first two years) would have focused on job creation and economic recovery rather than forcing another cost to the taxpayers down our throats (something we were all supposed to "read", since they didn't read it themselves before passing it). I think we do need medical reform in this country, but certainly not at a time when the economy can't handle it.

Honestly, I could go point by point to prove to the American public the benefits of Romney and Ryan's plans for the economy, including tax code revisions, broadening the base so we have more income to the Treasury, limiting and cutting spending on Government, etc., but most of your eyes would glaze over. Being an Accountant, I can see the cause and effect of their plan, but if I wasn't trained on this my eyes would glaze over too.

I watched all three debates. Obama stepped out for the first, had the moderator (who stepped back on it when there weren't all those viewers watching) falsely say that he did admit the Benghazi, Libya killing of our Ambassador was an act of terror, when in fact he used it in a general term, in that the US will not stand for acts of terror. He never said that Benghazi was an act of terror. Watch the video from 9/12/12 of his speech in the Rose Garden if you don't believe me.

I could care less if the next President was Rupublican/Democrat or some guy off the street. I just care that he/she tell us the truth and are effective for all of the US citizens.

maxgiver

Ryan was not corn fed..:-) more like drinking from the teat. which makes thoe whoe thing cheesy.

Careful, you are showing personality!

Natural gas has some huge advantages. We have a one hundred year's supply right here. People don't have to go deep into the earth to get it and get trapped and die by the hundreds. It is the cleanest of the fossil fuels available to us. It is dirt cheap.

ROMNEY DIDN'T EVEN MENTION NATURAL GAS AS PART OF HIS GREAT 'PLAN'.

Best argument there is for not going back to the policies of the GOP:

Private Sector Payroll Employment

This was the CNN Money headline in Bush's last month of office:

Job loss: Worst in 34 years
Employers slashed 598,000 more jobs in January

Are we really going to vote for that again? Romney's tax plan was written by the same guy that wrote Bush's.

Mason-5692837

I take it that was written with a derogatory connotation implied. I discount GOP Zombies tirades and goads because in the same manner as expecting a teenager to act maturely

Given the popularity of Romnesia, I figured libs could relate to that sort of thing. I'm just trying to speak the language.

"KornfedI am going to conveniently forget everything I dislike about Romney. I have Romnesia!"

Kornfed that's the problem with you Liberal. Your eye and ears are open an yet you let a blind man guide you. Monkey see monkey do. That is the best shot Obama could offer Romnesia" I tell you I don't need a clown a traitor to this country as Obama demonstrated with the Libya coverup. you want to continue listening to his lies find do so. American Express had a great commercial maybe 15 or 20 years ago, a blind man leading a bunch of people that were able to see down a cliff. Well my friend that's exactly what Obama is doing to you Liberal including the Media Good luck.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012

Holy crap Batman, Tagg Romney bought the Ohio voting machines. He owns voting machines in other states as well. Sad but true, Romney wants the Presidency so bad, he will stop at nothing to get it.

Anyone who wants power this much must not be allowed to wield it. Stop Romney.

You just have to love the signs Romney and Ryan have at all their lie fests. This latest one says "WE NEED A REAL RECOVERY"............... GIVE ME BREAK !!!! Real recovery will come when Romney and Ryan slither back into the hole they crawled out of and we don't have to listen to their lies anymore.

It's interesting to note a few things. In Massachusetts, where Mitt was a one term governor, the Romney/Ryan is down by over 19 points ---more than any other state in the union. In Michigan where Mitt's father was governor, the Romney Ryan ticket is down by 5 points. In Wisconsin, Ryan's home state, the Romney/Ryan ticket is also down by 5%. It seems the people who know these two the best -- don't want them to win.

There seems to be quite a few people that post on here that are either completely ignorant or just post ignorant statements to make people think they are ignorant, which is it?
How many of you actually know what Coal is used for? How about Natural Gas? How many of you actually know they are both used to produce Electricity and that most power plants can and do use both? How many of you know one is cheaper than the other? If you where the owner which I doubt you have the brains for you would do as the rest of the owners do and buy the cheaper of the two. In doing so it helps keep the price of electricity down. It's sad but true that most of you feel Coal and Natural Gas is going to be a commodity that last forever. Fools! I know a lot of you have no idea what is meant when some one says "at the current rate of consumption" and don't take into account that the current rate of consumption isn't the same today as it will be tomorrow. Only fools would think it will remain the same. Natural Gas will remain cheaper than Coal until the day Coal falls out of the sky, which will be never. You can thank Fracking for that. Here's the real reason I think you all are fools, Zero Point Energy! Are you people so ignorant you think Natural Gas, Coal and Oil are the only way to produce electricity, I forgot Solar, Wind and the other Renewable. Why is it you people insist on using these commodities? I'll tell you why our governments insist on us using them, it's because they create jobs and whether you like it or not when people work they get paid. By being paid you are encouraged to purchase items you wouldn't be able to make on your own. Don't you find it remarkable how 200 years ago if you wanted water you drilled a well? Then one of your neighbors said instead of you drilling a well on you land I'll sell you water from mine. That was the beginning of City Water. Next you had Electricity and the man that lived near the stream that powered his turbine and he decided to sell you some electricity and again he became the wealthy Electric Company. No one ever told his neighbor he could produce his own electricity instead they told him if he did he could be sent to jail for doing so without permission from the man that owned the power plant. Even as you read this there are people being threatened with jail time if they don't destroy their machines and stop telling people what they have built. If we let everyone start producing their own electricity millions of people will loose their jobs and the most important thing of all the man that owns the power plant will go broke. Governments will lose billions of tax dollars the make off of selling electricity. I can only hope that in the future, after we destroy this way of life we have enough brains to use what God gave us for the good of mankind instead of against mankind!
So back to this article, are you really so ignorant to fall for this idea that Gas, Oil and Coal are the only way to produce energy? Sheep! You are all SHEEP!

Holy crap Batman, Tagg Romney bought the Ohio voting machines.

• Tagg was running his spoiled brat mouth the other day saying he would like to punch President Obama. My guess is if those two ever went at it, little boy Tagg would get his ass handed to him. Tell us Tagg -- since you're such a macho-man tough guy -- why didn't you sing your coward ass up for the military???

Kornfed

Mason-5692837

I take it that was written with a derogatory connotation implied. I discount GOP Zombies tirades and goads because in the same manner as expecting a teenager to act maturely

Given the popularity of Romnesia, I figured libs could relate to that sort of thing. I'm just trying to speak the language.

Good literary effort Kornfed-the vernacular you selected is remarkably close to English, learning a second language can be challenging. ;-)

gregorio057

"KornfedI am going to conveniently forget everything I dislike about Romney. I have Romnesia!"

I just wanted some votes. Its lonely being a conservative here on the vine

Mason-5692837

Good literary effort Kornfed-the vernacular is remarkably close to English, learning a second language can be challenging. ;-)

You are trying painfully hard to sound smart. Maybe you should let your arguments determine that.

correction to #1.37

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.regarding the deficit -

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When Bush took over with vast budget surplus, his economic team didn't like the surplus, because many members were from the Wall Street - no deficit, no borrowing and lending, less businesses for Wall Street, no use for fiscal/monetary policy. They decided to gave the rich a big bonus - the Bush tax cut was one stone two birds for the financial industry and rich bankers on wall street. First tax cut for the rich gave the rich more money. Second the tax cut would increase the deficit, thus more financial business for lending and borrowing for the Wall Street to do speculation on - side effect? the Recession

The fact is that Obama stated that he would force coal out of business. He said that anyone could open a new coal-powered electric power plant, but, he and his "enviros" would find ways to put it into bankruptcy! Romney/Ryan are right to point out that this country needs to be energy independent with the resources and technology that we have, not that from some liberal "fantasyland"! This country is the richest by far in oil, gas, and coal in the entire world. If the libs would just try to stand partially out of the way we could easily be energy independent within a decade. Maybe we need to have a national energy race like the space race of the 60's! This does not mean that the liberal-in-charge (Obama) puts billions into worthless, feelgood "green energy" companies which only make bankruptcy lawyers rich! It would be silly not to put investment into alternative energy, but, it is the height of stupidity to ignore our energy riches in order to fulfill some enviro-nazis wet dream!

"The President has an all-of-the-above energy plan for his second term that will cut our oil imports in half by 2020 and support 600,000 natural gas jobs by the end of the decade. Mitt Romney can try to hide his true positions and policies in the final weeks of the campaign, but the truth is that he has no plan to create jobs or strengthen the middle class," campaign spokesman Danny Kanner said in a statement.

www.energy.gov/articles/utility-purchase-low-carbon-power-innovative-clean-coal-plant

www.whitehouse.gov/energy/gasprices

www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/02/29/fact-check-all-above-approach-american-energy

Paul Ryan is a teabag short of a full cup. Just say no to the GOP Organized Crime Syndicate and their Zombie Hordes.

Kornfed

Mason-5692837

Good literary effort Kornfed-the vernacular is remarkably close to English, learning a second language can be challenging. ;-)

You are trying painfully hard to sound smart. Maybe you should let your arguments determine that.

Actually it is a natural attribute. However, you raise an interesting point. I can empathize with others whom might find this state of mind painful or one that requires profound effort. Paul Ryan for example.

OK, ALL YOU LIBERAL/PROGRESSIVE RENEWABLE ENERGY ENVIROMENTALMANIACS, LISTEN UP.

Most of you will be on here for hours pretending you have a clue about AGW and alternative energy. You’ll be pulling your little talking points out and ridicule each other for either believing or not believing an unproven science. The debate will grow heated as it always does, insults will fly, vitriol will be furious and in the end NOTHING other than wasted time will be the result. So, with this in mind I’d like to ask all you pretenders to respond after reading this.

I just have a few simple questions for all you Liberal tree-hugging buffoons.

How many of you have had a home energy audit done by RESNET (Residential Energy Services Network) to determine your homes energy efficiency?

How many of you are driving in the most fuel efficient vehicles available?

How many of you have re-insulated your homes to the maximum R-rating recommendation?

How many of you have had your windows and doors upgraded to the newest NFRC (National Fenestration Ratings Council) standards?

How many of you have replaced your outdated appliances according to the new Energy Star applications? Including your furnace and air conditioner?

How many of you have installed a geothermal, solar or wind turbine system to release yourself from the grip of the utility companies?

How many of you travel to work in car pools?

How many of you travel on vacation by railroad, rather than car or airplane?

Should I go on?

Not many I bet.

Why not?

Because you’re all too lazy, uninformed and so hell bent against fossil fuels you can’t think straight. You all sit here and rail against BP, the oil industry, coal industry, nuclear energy and any other PROVEN energy sources, yet you all sit in your totally inefficient, drafty, ancient, energy sucking homes and cars and complain! ! !

Don’t even try to excuse yourselves by claiming there’s a scarcity of resources. The AEI (Alternative Energy Institute) was created in 1977, OVER 34 YEARS AGO ! ! ! I had a geothermal system installed over 16 years ago that still works perfectly. I have enough solar collection to power 68% of my home,,,,YEAR ROUND ! ! ! My insulation R-ratings are all at or above the recommendations of the WAP (Weatherization Assistance Program) guidelines. I have updated my appliances over 4 times in the last 23 years using Energy Star recommendations. I do have an inefficient 1999 Ford F-150,,,EXCUSE ME ! ! ! This has come at significant cost outlay on my part but my carbon footprint is 28% of the average American household and my cost savings are double what they would have been otherwise.

And guess what?

I still promote “DRILL BABY, DRILL”!

WHY?

Because we don’t have enough people doing what THEY should be doing and thousands of everyday products are made from coal, oil and natural gas. Most of you talk a big game as far as energy independence, global warming, green this and green that, but your don’t do S**T about it.

The problem with you Liberal Progressive tree-hugging, Spotted-Owl “believers” is YOU don’t want to do it, you want the government or someone else to do it for you. You’re too busy watching Barrack Hussein blowing smoke up your butt or Michael Moore spewing his socialist trash at you while sitting in your La-Z-Boy, sucking down a Bud Light.

Your Messiah, Al “multi-million dollar mansion” Gore, is making fools of you all and you just sit by, uninvolved and uninformed except for your anti-business, anti-rich, anti-American rants.

Barrack Hussein keeps the temperature cranked up in the White House until you can grow Orchids in there, but Cap & Tax is a must.

Hypocrites! ! !

When I finally see those CLAIMING there’s a crisis acting like there’s a crisis, I’ll believe there’s a crisis.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

The coal mine situation I really feel for the workers there, but the owners have know for a long time they had to clean up their act. Why didn't they? Well it would cost them money that they would not be able to go by a yacht or something. I wonder if Vegas would give me odds on this question! Are mine owners Republicans or Dems? My vote is they are Republicans while the dems are the hard working souls down there in the dark. As for Mr. Ryan, he is a joke. He is a United States Congressman. Maybe Obama's policy's are bad but hey Mr. Ryan why haven't u dones something along with your Republican cohorts to change the policy? The President can only suggest laws and use his power to try to manipulate votes but in the long run it's congress that makes the laws. sure he can veto them but they have the power to override him. Ryan stated when Obama got elected that he would do everything in his power to make sure that Obama is a one term President and he's try like hell to do that but at what cost? At the cost of us, the common American. The President doesn't and isn't able to set gasoline prices,, but the congress has the power to set up regulations that would help the consumer against greedy oil barrens. So where is Ryan and his Republican buddies on that? Of course they sit back because all you hear is the blame being made on the President. You keep putting all the blame on the President for the bailouts, etc. Where did it start? You got it, Georgie Bush tried to salvage something of his presidency and conferred with Obama and they agreed on what to do. I hear from Romney that he wouldn't have bailed out the auto plants. No he wanted them to go into bankruptcy, negate the union contracts and break them then go back into business. How would that have put our country? I sound like a democrat, but actually I can't stand Obama but the party I though I was a part of ran an idiot then let him pick an idot for a running mate. At least Romney is safe from assanation because only one person wants Ryan as president and that is Ryan. Well maybe his wife would want him as President so that she would be 1st lady. A lot of talk on here but how about stopping, thinking and then give some good comments. Quit the dem vs. repub bull and think of how we can get this worked out and get the country going again.

Hi Mason,

I have no intention of trying to get you to vote for Mr. Romney, and I really don't care that you intend to vote for Mr. Obama. But you did make am interesting post some time back on this thread. I don't want to mischaracterize your words, but the gist of what you wrote, I think, is that Mr. Romney would buy functioning and profitable firms and then destroy them, selling off their various pieces to make money.

So, a question or two if you don't mind. First, do you agree with me that a firm is not functioning properly, and is certainly not profitable as it should be, if its parts can be sold off for more than the stock value held by each shareholder? It seems to me this is axiomatic, but your post seems to imply you think firms are worth more when ripped apart and sold piece by piece.

Second, assuming you are right and Mr. Romney invested private monies into private, or publicly traded, firms, is there any way a dollar can be invested and lost in order to save no more than 35 cents in taxes that makes financial sense? I ask this because most people of your political stripe seem to think, erroneously I claim, that the tax code rewards the loss and makes the investor whole. No such tax code provision exists, but many people believe it does.

Hmmmm.

Mr. Jim Spence just warmed the planet by a degree emitting all that pollution with his long windy rant.

Sheesh!

Anyway, I happen to drive a hybrid. Updated and energy efficient at home as well.

I don't hug trees but I sure as hell hate pollution and those that pollute.

See Jim, Democrats DO practice what they preach

but don't let that stop you from spreading BS.

BTW -- How much are they paying you Jim?

Are you required to post the copyright on all your posts?

It costs more to run an inefficient, dirty, coal-burning electrical production plant. The old ones are being shut down; they cost too much. The Obama Administration wants cleaner-burnt coal, if that's possible, among numerous other plans to support other forms of energy production, like nuclear, hydroelectric, gas, and renewable sun, wind, water, including support for fusion. Nothing wrong with that. But if you talk to a loyal Republican now, it's as if having an energy policy that creates a cleaner energy future, is a liberal idea that must be shunned because it goes up against their ideology that has become more extreme as the decades have gone by (Well, as the saying goes, "you can't fix stupid."

For Romney and Ryan to say that President Obama has a "war against coal," is a campaign propaganda lie, that also hides the fact that Romney and Ryan have no energy policy, except, "let the free markets decide," and a rollback of regulations and the elimination of the EPA. Well, the 'free markets' decided time and again in the 20th Century that without regulations and guidelines the customers (anyone that needs electricity) and the environment we all live in, gets screwed.

Nixon -- a Republican of whom created the EPA -- would be turning over in his grave for the prospect of the Romney and Ryan plans to eliminate our environmental protection. So Romney and Ryan also want to lower the tax rates for the wealthy to below 25 percent. What would Republican President Eisenhower say about that, of which his Administration supported a top tax rate for the wealthy at 90 percent, was opposed to the politics of the military-industrials, and was also opposed to the call for more war. Or Theodore Roosevelt, another Republican, of which he railed against the robber barons of his time, and if he was alive today I'm sure he would be opposed to the unchecked plutocracy that right-wing billionaires like the Koch Brothers want to create for themselves.

Romney and Ryan, and the rest of the Republican Tea Party candidates for president that didn't make the cut (except perhaps for Jon Huntsman, an international diplomat and supporter of science), are proof of what the GOP has evolved into over the decades: into a theological, neo-fascist plutocracy that their predecessors, including President Ronald Reagan, would have been opposed to what the venerable Party of Lincoln has turned into, the Fox News Party of Palin, Koch, and Limbaugh.

Mason-5692837

Actually it is a natural attribute. However, you raise an interesting point. I can empathize with others whom might find this state of mind painful or one that requires profound effort. Paul Ryan for example.

I dont find it painful at all. I am referring to the aura you are trying to present. You criticized me for being childish, but yet you hide your own personal attacks behind the wording that you use. You obviously find word usage to be the childish element that you reject.

Hi Terry,

Most of your post isn't worth responding to. Sorry. But there is one part. What do you think the government can do to protect you and other consumers from oil barons (whatever you think that term means)? As it is the government takes 9 times more in taxes on gasoline than the oil companies earn in profits, per gallon of gas sold. Given this, why do you worry about oil barons and not governmental barons?

JimSpence -I just have a few simple questions for all you Liberal tree-hugging buffoons.

First-I am very familiar with the market sector, and spent some years doing business with oil and gas subsidiaries manufacturing and marketing the technologies for BUFFOONS" you refer to nationally and internationally at consumer, state and federal levels including aerospace and military and scientific applications. Second you may not be fully aware that the largest technology companies in the sector are subsidiaries of oil and gas companies and major electronics. Which is why you can rant.

How many of you have had a home energy audit done by RESNET (Residential Energy Services Network) to determine your homes energy efficiency?

Yes

How many of you are driving in the most fuel efficient vehicles available?

Do not drive, however my driver averages 30-40MPG Diesel City Highway

How many of you have re-insulated your homes to the maximum R-rating recommendation?

Yes

How many of you have had your windows and doors upgraded to the newest NFRC (National Fenestration Ratings Council) standards?

Recently installed argon gas injected, dual pane, foam sealed- Magix-Canada

How many of you have replaced your outdated appliances according to the new Energy Star applications? Including your furnace and air conditioner?

Yes multi-stage and oversized so it rarely needs the second stage to maintain temperature.

How many of you have installed a geothermal, solar or wind turbine system to release yourself from the grip of the utility companies?

Not allowed yet do to HOA limits. However utility power is already offset by commercial renewable generation.

How many of you travel to work in car pools?

Yes

How many of you travel on vacation by railroad, rather than car or airplane?

Yes or walk-shop online to eliminate tips to brick and mortar shopping

__________________________________________________________________________

Several you did not specifically delineate in your comprehensive list of demands are;

Answer:

All Energy Star Platinum rated power supplies (greater than 90% efficiency), all configuration EUP Compliant 1 watt standby.

Lighting:

Yes, all LED solar lighting-all internal lighting LED or Fluorescent

Washer/Dryer: LG steam low water usage

Toilets: High pressure low water reservoir

Landscaping-all drip-irrigation, and fine spray sprinklers

All intermittent appliances in both stories are power corrected and switched to eliminate phantom loads

Garage Door? Yes insulated steel

Other doors All foam insulated or solid core.

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What I find amazing is people who act like attack dogs constantly on these news post expect sober persons to acknowledge them with an civility. Question: How often does this guy get a proctology exam. regularly I hope for his sake...because something crawled up there when he wasn't looking.

i see all the lazy libs are shaking in their boots LOL you gonna lose your food stamps ...time to get off your lazt butts and actually work instead of getting obama bucks and other govt handouts... you are worried you wont be able to afford your iphone because you will have to pay for food next year HAHAHAHA

go Romney/Ryan 2012 and byebye to the useless waste of space, obama

To Jim Spence=President Obama's position is that he wants us to be fuel independent. Let us use coal, natural gas, wind, oil etc but we need to get away from the tankers bringing oil from country's who use it to manupilate us. Then something happens to the tankers and they destroy the ocean. And so his approach is to be fuel independent, and I agree with him!!

To Terry Roberts-- Nice speach, until you get to the end and that is where I think you just don't get it. Bills are started in the House. The Republicans are and have been in control and- they won't pass anything if it will make our President look good, like a jobs bill. You got it, the REPUBLICANS signed a document along with Romney and Ryan not to increase taxes on the WEALTHY under any circumstances. IF ANY OF THE REPUBLICANS BREAK THAT PLEDGE, what do you think will happen to them when their term is up?? Any ideas?? The REPUBLICANS want President Obama out of office so Romney and the wealthy can bring in all their billions that they have in other country's free and clear and not pay taxes on it. That money is the money they got from taking jobs from here to there for a cheep wage and now they want to bring it home. It's not that they want to invest it here, they want it in a bank close to home. So what needs to be done. Dump the Republicans from office for treason. They have turned their backs on the United States of America for their own selfish ways. They have held up opportunities for people to have jobs. That Terry is what this is all about. Democrats who care about the middle class and Republicans who just talk for votes about caring for the middle class.

If you people want to go backward by losing your social security, vouchers for Medicare, gut schooling for students, more wars because Romney wants to increase millitary spending and the wealthy make money on wars by making war equipment and supplies, undo the regulations that President Obama has put in place because of the housing market collapse and much more, then certainly vote for R/R.

I DON'T WANT TO LOSE SOCIAL SECURITY, I DON'T WANT VOUCHERS FOR MEDICARE, I DON'T WANT MORE WARS UNLESS ABSOLUTELY NEEDED. I DON'T WANT THE MIDDLE CLASS GUTTED UNDER A ROMNEY PRESIDENCY. I AM VOTING STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC TICKET, AND SO ARE MY WIFE AND CHILDREN FROM PENNSYLVANIA. OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Cow Sh^t, including from, Bulls, Steers, and Heifers, will, after being thoroughly dried, burn hotter, and emit less offensive carbonized pollutants than the highest grade Anthracite. We have an abundant supply too. Course, the republicans throw so much of it around, It's hard to keep track of the really large deposits. At present, Romney and Ryan are working a pile that could power enough generators to electrify most of the Southeastern US for at least 6 months. Much better alternative to Coal.

Kornfed

Mason-5692837

Actually it is a natural attribute. However, you raise an interesting point. I can empathize with others whom might find this state of mind painful or one that requires profound effort. Paul Ryan for example.

I dont find it painful at all. I am referring to the aura you are trying to present. You criticized me for being childish, but yet you hide your own personal attacks behind the wording that you use. You obviously find word usage to be the childish element that you reject.

Calm down- does the comment refer to you directly? No. There are certainly some spirited personalities here. It is not a pre-existing condition to become educated-nor communicate in a manner common to the requirements of ones own peers. Having a sense of humor isn't a disability either.

Regarding your comment-trying to present an aura-I believe your initial reply directed attention to material you elected to comment on. (Criticize) Pretentious and Contentious however are valid terms describing the GOP's hired posters, their long parade of unqualified candidates and generally they're highly derogatory and combative behavior.

Sorry if the humor got lost in the message Kornfed-The GOP Organized Crime Syndicate and its Rabid Zombie Hordes should concern you far more..

Anyway-time for separate corners. Regards

Calm down- does the comment refer to you directly? No. There are certainly some spirited personalities here. It is not a pre-existing condition to become educated-nor communicate in a manner common to the requirements of one peers. Having a sense of humor isn't a disability either.

Oh, you wernt referring to me? haha. You do have a sense of humor! What do you mean by it is not a pre-existing condition to become educated? This is what I mean by trying to hard. Your points get lost, even to yourself I'm sure, by concentrating on presentation over substance. You wrote that long post in response to Jim Spence and didnt address the point he was trying to make at all. Instead, you used it as a personal promotion. Perhaps it is a pre-existing condition to give in to arrogance?

Regarding your comment-trying to present an aura-I believe your initial reply directed attention to material you elected to comment on. (Criticize) Pretentious and Contentious however are valid terms describing the GOP's hired posters, their long parade of unqualified candidates and generally they're highly derogatory and combative behavior.

This was the original comment I made that you took out of context...

Ryan just doesnt know what he is doing. He needs to come up with something catchy that all the sheeple can relate too! Like, America has O'bamarea. The symptoms include foreign gas, a poor performing lower intestine refinement, and excess waste! Maybe have some fart sounds as back ground ambiance while he describes it

Followed by your critiques of my child like behavior. Now relate that to what you said in the above quote. Do the farts that come out of your mouth smell to you at all?

Other Energy Efficiency Improvements-

All electric redone to eliminate current leaks poor ground etc. common to modern construction during GOP years of interference in Build Codes.

All HAVC ducting replaced with high grade-thermally inert/lowest possible loss materials.

It's fun, its the right thing to do. It costs far less than handing the money to the Utility since tiered penalties for being a power-glutton are appropriately harsh.

Kornfed-Go Away. (this comment is directed towards you personally)

Hi Michael,

Mind a few points in rebuttal?

Social Security is a terrible program in so many ways, but one way I would hope you might appreciate is its racist (unintentionally I'm sure) outcomes. Tens of billions of dollars in wealth has been transferred from some minority groups, mainly blacks and hispanics, to largely white women and asians. The former live shorter life spans, on average, the latter living longer life spans. And since SS isn't an inheritable asset in any true sense the heirs of those minorities get the financial shaft. So keep the program as is if you want, but please don't pretend it's the kind of noble policy you seem to think it is.

Medicare vouchers shouldn't worry you in the least. Why? Because Mr. Romney wants them to be an available alternative to traditional Medicare. You could opt for the traditional package without penalty, so if the voucher idea is executed poorly it won't work, but no one will be harmed by it. Still, Medicare is a major driver of our fiscal troubles. It has never provided the benefits promised for the costs predicted. Instead it has always cost more, delivered less, or both. But, even worse in some ways, because Medicare underpays providers for services rendered, those providers end up having to make up some, or all, of the lost revenue by charging higher prices to the private sector. Don't liberals ever wonder why medical costs in the USA rise by the amounts they do? It's not exactly secret, or even hard to comprehend.

No one wants war. Not Romney, not Obama. Regardless of what people want war sometimes finds the nations they lead. When Mr. Obama says that he will never permit Iran to have nuclear weapons (I think this is a facetious claim, btw, but let's assume he's sincere), then the ultimate way to stop Iran if Iran is hell-bent on getting nukes is to use military force. It's called war. So, assuming Mr. Obama is not a liar on this particular issue, and that Iran wants nuclear weapons and will not be stopped in their quest, then war is the only answer. Would this mean Mr. Obama wants war? Of course not. Any suggestion of the kind is, sorry to say, stupid on its face. This applies as well when the suggestion is made towards Mr. Romney.

Lastly, I think Mr. Obama truly needs your votes in PA. It looks like he's going to lose there too.

Kornfed-Go Away. (this comment is directed towards you personally)

I never go away Mason...

Michael-4273928

The REPUBLICANS want President Obama out of office so Romney and the wealthy can bring in all their billions that they have in other country's free and clear and not pay taxes on it.

One of the new GOP's initiatives is to reverse all limits and regulations-then re-populate the Supreme Court and lower courts with operatives. This is what history has demonstrated. They want direct military control, which is dangerous because given providence based on their needs they would not hesitate to turn those forces on US citizens they deemed inconvenient or unsuitable. Wall Street Insiders have asked for even more oversight and regulation.

One of the new GOP's initiatives is to reverse all limits and regulations-then re-populate the Supreme Court and lower courts with operatives. This is what history has demonstrated

O'bama didnt try to load the court with liberal operatives?

They want direct military control, which is dangerous because given providence based on their needs they would not hesitate to turn those forces on US citizens they deemed inconvenient or unsuitable.

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Now I know why you concentrate on presentation, your substance is absurd.

Kornfed

Kornfed-Go Away. (this comment is directed towards you personally)

I never go away Mason...

EXACTLY-Please extend my sincere sympathies to your parents. ;-()

There is no war on coal. None what so ever. Read the following article: Ryan is lyin' again.

http://www.sify.com/finance/war-on-coal-label-obscures-battlefield-realities-news-environment-and-nature-mkvhJijebah.html

Coal is no longer king...hell we had one of the warmest winters ever. Same problem with heating oil. Ergo, lower demand for coal world wide. Natural gas is cheaper, easier to get, and is less dangerous to obtain. Lower insurance costs, lower mortality rate, and less harmful to the environment. The best thing we can do for coal...just leave it alone.

EXACTLY-Please extend my sincere sympathies to your parents. ;-()

If only yours loved you more, you wouldn't have so much to prove

Or was that not directed at me?...

Jim Spence, There are Liberal Mentalist as you call them doing those things. I own a 2011 Ford Fusion. I just did a trip from My home in Arizona to My hometown in Los Angeles, 1300 miles round trip 43.2 miles a gallon, and it is not the hybrid. I have solar at my home. I converted the gas appliances in my new house to electric, and the biggest electrical bill I have gotten in the 13 months I owned this place was $0.42. My oldest appliance in the house is the Fridge at 13 months, everything is energy star rated. I also just got double pane windows in my house. Also the motorcycle you see in my picture gets 80 mpg. I ride my bicycle around town unless I need groceries, or going out of town. But yet I'm not a tree hugger like you claim. I did these things to make my house more valueable, and I don't believe in giving the utility companies any more than neccesary. But Yes I have taken the train numerous times. I also am one who is better off than I was 4 years ago, to counter some Republicans theory of being in worse shape, my small business has trippled in employee size and income

Personally, I prefer the soft flickering of candle-light to illuminate my home at night. Gas lamp posts on street corners and horseless carriages bring back fond memories. A bed of hot coals to warm my vehicle and home hearth are cherished thoughts of better times.

Who was that brash young idiot that proposed electric lights and electrical current to power the future? Is it any wonder that brighter men than he beat him deaf? The very thought that this wicked "electricity" might one day surpass the needs of coal and methane to fill our energy needs is kin to blasphemy. This "Thomas Edison" was surely in league with the Devil!

My God, the Devil still lives amongst us today. He insists that natural energy from the sun, wind and sea may supply our energy needs in place of coal and fossil fuels that are rapidly in incline while destroying our habitant. Crucify the evil liar and send him to the same Hell as Thomas Edison. We will place our full trust in the Holy oil barons until we consume the very last drop of oil and breath the very last cubic inch of oxygen on Earth. They are our saviors.

Mason-5692837

Bravo!

I commend you on your commitment to energy and resource conservation.

However, you realize you and I, in even our meager attempts to help, account for less than one-quarter of one percent of the private sector that have done anything about reducing energy costs significantly.

This is my outrage. When my wife and I were going to buy our first home in the 80's we thought it was a good deal until we had an energy audit done on it. The results came back to raze the house and start over.

Most people don't understand that even a simple, albeit rather pricey, at $400 for up to a 2,000 sq/ft home, energy audit can save them a lot of headaches and cost in the long run. This applies to a new/used home purchase or their existing homes.

I didn't do all my upgrades over the course of a few months, as I assume you didn't either, it took me over 4 years for the major improvements. Subsequent upgrades have come as needed. As you can attest these came at significant cost, but over time I have saved a lot of money and can at least be satisfied that I have contributed.

As I stated in my above post, AEI has existed for over 34 years yet many of my neighbors don't even know what it means. But they have boats, ATV's, snowmobiles and at least a yearly cruise or vacation. We did without for over 8 years to afford our upgrades and improvements.

Like I said, everyone is waiting for the government or someone else to do it for them. We are anywhere from 30-50 years, if not longer, from significant public sector conversion to renewables. I would rather see us invest in Thorium nuclear energy, exploit our massive resources even if to just create more long term exportable jobs that will create revenue from abroad in the meantime.

If we want to truly compete in the 21st century economies and global markets we need to be aggressive in many areas. Education and energy independence must be at the top of the list. Without Draconian reforms to these, and others, no amount of wealth redistribution will do anything when we continue to create $600 billion trade deficits.

Once again, when I finally see those CLAIMING there’s a crisis acting like there’s a crisis, I’ll believe there’s a crisis.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

Hi Commonsense,

Imagine with me if you will for just a minute that oil firms are the greedy SOBs the left routinely claims. You don't make this case explicitly, but I think you implicity mean the same. Why would any greedy oil firm reject a new technology which could, leftists claim, make them even more wildly profitable? Sorry, but this makes no sense, common or not.

Your post contains another more fundamental flaw too. No one on the right I have ever heard of wants to deprive the nation of any modern Thomas Edisons. Why do you assume any conservative would want to do this? Is there a shred of evidence to support your claim? But even this isn't the most interesting flaw in your post.

What matters even more is that your analogy is so flawed. Thomas Edison wasn't funded by the federal government. His General Electric Corp. didn't get government grants and guaranteed loans in order to produce its products. People risked their own money, and reaped their own rewards. But what we have today are governmental regulations which favor one industry over another, coupled with governmental grants and loans which tend to go to political allies, all of which when added together adds up to very high priced technological changes and products that still can't, in too many cases, compete in the global market.

I don't know what you think about Solyndra, for instance. This is not, btw, a rant against Solyndra--those have been made and we all know the point. But when I look at their facilities, and I read about their compensation packages, and I do so in the context that never in its entire existence did Solyndra turn a profit, I see massive waste. Gilded waste too. Millions in bonuses, millions in expensive real estate, some of which didn't even have a productive use. Too many employees. How could Solyndra operate so wastefully for so long? Governmental guarantees on their loans, that's how.

So what's the take-a-way? It isn't that conservatives oppose innovation, or that liberals do. It is that when we throw money at firms we are DELUSIONAL to think those firms will become better for it. It is possible that some firms will succeed, but my argument would be that those firms would succeed without the government money anyhow, and that this money for those firms that failed simply allowed those future failures to last longer than they otherwise would have. And one more point...By spending scarce resources this way we make ourselves less wealthy as a nation, and we even make it less likely we will have another Thomas Edison. Corporate welfare is ALWAYS a bad idea. It's bad when republicans do it, and it's just as bad when democrats do it. What makes democrats worse is that they do MORE of it.

Eric True

See my post to Mason-5692837. Out of almost 2,300 posts on this thread I bet less than a handful more people have done what we have done to conserve any significant amount of energy.

I also am one who is better off than I was 4 years ago, to counter some Republicans theory of being in worse shape, my small business has trippled in employee size and income

Congratulations. The important question is, do you have room for 23 million more under/unemployed Americans? Because Barrack Husseins policy is abysmal so far.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

To Bryan 2475629, What amuses me about your post is that I know more people who abuse food stamps are voting for Romney than Obama. Now I agree that the entitlements do need an overhaul. However it is absurd to suggest all Obama supporters are welfare, food stamp recipients and abusers. I know full well that there are system abusers, lazy people, that are voting for Obama, but not all of those people are. Also not every single person voting for Obama is on food stamps, or needs them. The facts are that these people support both candidates, not just Obama.

Jim Spence I do agree that there are things that I don't care about Obamas record, however Romney has done nothing yet to show he will be better. I have serious concerns over Paul Ryans previous budget suggestions of medicare vouchers, and social security privatization coming back. We need to fix these items, but my fear is that going that route could cost us our medicare and social security, that we have paid into all of our lives. If I'm lucky and can continue to improve my business over the next 20 to 25 years I will not need these items, but no one know what the future holds. ALthough I agree with you to a point on Obamas record, many items that Romney has left out. Although it is true that gas prices have risen receently, the national average for regular unleaded was an all time high of $4.15 under George Bush, diesel costs were $5.25, both occuring in the summer of 2008. Californias current situation has been caused by years of bad regulations, that were there well before we ever even heard of George W. Bush. Romney has stated that we have the slowest recovery since the great depression, however I do believe even Republicans have stated that we are in the worst reccession since the great Depression. So if we are in the wors recession, would it not make sense that recovery is just as slow.

Now even Romney even stated that we are in a recovery, albeit not great. For example stock market was around 6500 points in 2009, now around 13,400. That's an Ipmrovement. Housing prices in some areas are recovering, that's another improvement. We have had 42 months of job gains, although small but still they are gains. Now I think you and I do agree on some items from reading your posts, however Romney has not convinced me he can do a better job to get us out of this funk. I do think he is a decent intelligent man, but don't think he's ready or the right man to do the job.

Hey dumba$$ conservaturds that keep saying drill baby drill. If the US produces more oil OPEC will reduce oil production keeping oil prices up. FACT!!!

Hi Rich-281385, I would like nothing more than to join you in your belief that oil companies are not greedy SOBs. I am 62 years old and stand witness to their selfish greed since I was a child. They have fought tooth and nail to reject every energy improvement over oil for a century or more.

I could go back to the early fifties, but there is no need. Tell me which oil company invested in nuclear energy throughout the mid to late 20th century. Tell me which oil company invested in the promise of solar energy. Tell me which oil company invested in wind turbines or clean coal. Tell me which oil company invested in new oil refineries to make America more energy independent in the last 30 years. Tell me which major oil company has not reaped record profit margins in the last 30 years as their American consumers suffered untold pain.

Explain all of this away as best you can. I don't believe any American of average intelligence is listening. We know better. Good luck with your oil futures.

"Ryan Hits Obama"

Did he hit Obama with his purse, or was it just a limp wristed slap?

Neither Romeny nor Ryan have anything to "hit" Obama with.

It's all rhetoric and wishful thinking.

So the GOP plan is to subsidize coal to make it cheaper than natural gas?

Great first they start the E.P.A. now they intend to subsidize more of their buddies?

Corporate parties! GOP is blatant about it but democrats are one in the same.

I reject partisanship, I accept American liberties!

Mason-5692837

AND,

Have you covered and sealed all knee walls with foam board?

Sealed all can lights?

Weatherized your attic accesses to R49 and weatherstripping?

LOL. We must do it ALL or apparently we have no right to talk about coal.... as libbies, you know.

... I'm in the middle of launching a weatherization business that takes it blower-door to grave and guarantees that the utility bill savings will pay for the low interest mortgage loan on the upgrades.

Been do weatherization long?

This business is one encouraged heavily by Obama with incentives. It's taken some time to get started due to misguided local efforts, technical power struggles, and a lack of adaptation by the construction industry, but it looks like it's taking off now.

Providing incentives to the free market and enacting regulations to protect our people and environment is what we do. It's what Obama does... he considers the big picture. Romney will not, and THAT's painfully obvious... maybe the ONLY issue he doesn't flop on.

So why isn't global warming on the campaign agenda?

Natural gas may be playing a part in reducing coal usage, however, how they got it seems to be ignored by the current pack of liberals. Guess how they found all that gas?

Fracking! If you have ever applied to Shlumberger or Halliburton for a job drilling oil wells, you will find out that it isn't 1/1000th the issue that the environmentalists bitch about. And, the technology they employ to find the oil and gas is pretty close to space age in nature. This is how we will achieve energy independence.

Let the unstable Islamic countries people eat their oil, since they have so much contempt for us here, all we want is a stable energy supply, but what they give us is instability, terrorism by the truckload and high energy prices.

MDB123

So the GOP plan is to subsidize coal to make it cheaper than natural gas?

Funny, huh? Not only are they AGAINST providing incentives and low interest loans for clean energy, the want to reverse the process and subsidize DIRTY energy while violating their very own absolute free-market principles...

In other words they said whatever they needed to say to the audience at hand.

Coal production is being threatened primarily by natural gas... coal plants are being converted. It's cheaper. It's market forces. It's much more of an impact than regulations.

The coal industry needs to stop fighting inevitable regulations here and, instead, gear up for coal exports. While we in the U.S. have electricity to every household and have the "luxury" of picking and choosing our cleaner sources for it, other countries, like India, do not. They need coal.

So not to worry, coal industry giants, we can spend more money to be clean here as a country and you can continue to reap huge profits on the backs of the miners, the health of local peoples where it's burned, and global warming.

It's a win - win!!! Kinda.

And BTW, Ryan's claim and solution is total horse @!$%#.

Jody-1593626 Comment collapsed by the community

The "Romney Tsunami" is starting to form, and will wash clean the current Administration on November 6th.

Jody, a tsunami is an incredibly destructive force. You chose a perfect analogy to describe how the plans Mitt Romney has for our country would devastate the lives of average middle class Americans.

VOTE OBAMA/ BIDEN!! SAVE THE MIDDLE CLASS!!

In Barack Obama’s 2008 promise to “bankrupt” the coal industry is now coming to fruition with the EPA’s announcement of crippling CO2 emission limits on new plants that will effectively block the building of any new coal plants in the United States, accelerating the move towards total deindustrialization.. Those where his works not mine.

So why does the radical left have to lie about what they believe? You elected him but you won't defend what you believe. If in fact killing the coal industry is what you based your energy policy on then defend it or just shut up.

Goggle obama own words about bankrupting the coal industry.

American Lobo

"Ryan Hits Obama"

Did he hit Obama with his purse, or was it just a limp wristed slap?

Neither Romeny nor Ryan have anything to "hit" Obama with.

It's all rhetoric and wishful thinking.

Great comment, Lobo!

Those people think violence is the way to solve problems: war with Iran, taking a swing at the POTUS...

Romney and Ryan-- like most schoolyard bullies-- are just wimps. They couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. Ryan thinks pumping iron makes him tough (he most likely exaggerates on what he lifts too), and Romney minces around like he's trying to hold a corn cob between his butt cheeks. Neither one inspires confidence in his ability to confront world leaders effectively.

I like the way Obama handles the issues. He speaks softly but carries a big stick.

The President has a plan ... cut oil imports in half ???????? This sounds so familiar... was it the debt that would be cut in half? This BS is brought to you by the letter "O" and the number $16 trillion!

LYIN Ryan President Obama does hate coal. He is concerned about our health and climate change destroying our Planet.

@ No Jo

You're Lyin just like Ryan about Solyader.

Republicans like Paul Ryan Lie about our President 's economic and Foreign Policy hoping it will stick. It is a shame they are politicizing Bengazi. They didn't do it when GW Bush Lied to us about Iraq. WE should be coming together to get the killers like we did after 9-11. Besides the family is grieving and has asked these hateful fear mongering jackasses to stop it.

Mitt Romney's Easy Five-Step Approach to Foreign Policy

STEP 1: Get the Facts Wrong
STEP 2: Undermine Lone-Standing Relationships With Your Allies
STEP 3: Frequently Highlight Your Lack of Experience
STEP: 4 Assemble A team of Ideologues Committed to Endless Wars
STEP: 5 Mistake Your Enemies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x-jY7ZkRqb4

Come On Mitt Think MITT is not the only one who needs to think.
It's also the people who:

a) have not researched his blunders. The fact that he is a vulture capitalistic and has a record of Bain capital shipping jobs overseas, case in point, Sensata Technologies will go to China the day before the election. That veil of mystery is what Romney does; he lies to the American to their faces daily.

b) Do know but hate President Obama so much they will sacrifice themselves and this country to put Mitt in Office.

4 more 4 44

Obama/Biden 2012

chads comment of natural gas being cheaper is not completely true. gas is cheaper on the first end of getting it out of the ground but by the time its delivered coal is cheaper. i have natural gas and by the time it gets to my furnace its not cheap. the gas co charges a delivery fee which is almost the cost of the usage. this is interesting because they dont actually deliver it it comes through in an under ground pipe. i have only one carrier to go with so once again the consumer is screwed!

Hi Commonsense,

I had hoped you would have answered my question. Too bad you didn't. Maybe you will since I'll ask it again at the end of this post...we'll see.

Good news. You are wrong. I don't think firms are not greedy SOBs. In fact, I think they are, and that they should be. Every business should have as its goal a simple idea: Extract every penny it can from its customers while maximizing profits. Simple. Elegant. Brutal. But true. Why should any company operate to not maximize its profits? Most Americans whether they know it or not own stocks in for-profit firms and would be upset to learn that the firms they own aren't trying to make as much profit as possible, and so are keeping the stock price lower than it otherwise could be.

As for oil firms investing in wind and solar power? Nearly all. Chevron, ExxonMobil, BP, Conoco-Phillips, Shell, the list goes on. The problem remains with these technologies that they are too expensive for the energy produced and without subsidies they aren't competitive in the marketplace. So to make them competitive the government is shoveling money to them and you (tax breaks and subsidies) but this isn't really being competitive. It simply transfers a large portion of the cost to taxpayers, either current or future. We should end all subsidies of any kind. This is a bad way to do business.

Nuclear power is a different animal. Oil firms could get into it I suppose, but it's a totally different kind of science with a regulatory frameworks that makes what oil firms face look like laissez-faire capitalism. There are just a few companies capable of building nuclear power stations, so it might take a consortium effort to get anything done, but given the decades of de facto nuclear building moratorium I'm not sure why anyone would look at oil firms as suspect for not getting into this industry.

Refineries are a far easier answer. We don't need them now. We did 10, 20, and 30 years ago, but regulatory costs, NIMBYism, the EPA, and legal challenges, made building new refineries all but impossible. But today we are exporting refined gasoline, so why build new refineries? The only question of yours I don't have an answer for is about clean coal. I'm sure there is an answer, I'm just not aware of it.

So, again, I asked you a VERY simple question. One you didn't answer, but instead deflected with the canard that I thought oil firms weren't greedy SOBs. So I ask again....Why would any oil firm reject technology which, leftists like you claim, would make them wildly MORE profitable? They are greedy, we both now agree. They want more profits from consumers. Yet they don't do what you on the left say would make them loads of cash. There is a common sense answer to this, and you don't even need a degree in economics to figure it out. What could that answer be? Hint: It involves costs versus revenues.

I hope you will answer me as I answered every point you made instead of going again off on an incoherent tangent.

The Coal Miners daughter thinks R & R are full of Gas - fueled for the 1% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder what coal miners will do when they realize that 99% of them are part of the 47% of Americans that Mitt Romney said he hates?

Romney was the newly elected governor when a showdown erupted over the coal-burning Salem Harbor Power Station. Romney entered the controversy by saying the plant "kills people."

Gee, Romney was videotaped in front of this mine saying it kills people and should be shut down.

And this is the guy that now says he supports the coal industry?

What's wrong with this picture?

Relocation Options-Coal Miners

From these data, we can see the huge discrepancy in coal mine productivity between Western and Eastern mines. Montana (with 942 coal miners) produces more coal than Virginia (with 5,262 coal miners). Wyoming (with 5,837 coal miners) produces more coal than West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Alabama, and Illinois combined (with a total of 58,995 coal miners). Due to this discrepancy, the coal mining industry has increasingly moved production to these Western states (especially to the Powder River Basin), and has dramatically cut its workforce in Appalachia.

www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Coal_and_jobs_in_the_United_States

A function of economy-not a conspiracy. A opportunity exists in China where coal mining is a much larger industry.

Paul Ryan-Bow and Arrow Over-Taxation Repealed!

Ryan became the ranking Republican member of the House Budget Committee in 2007,[56] then chairman in 2011 after Republicans took control of the House. That same year he was selected to deliver the Republican response to the State of the Union address.[57]

Official U.S. Congress portrait of Ryan in 2011

During his 13 years in the House, he has sponsored some 71 bills or amendments,[58] of which two were ultimately enacted into law.[59] One, passed in July 2000, renamed a post office in Ryan's district; the other, passed in December 2008, lowered the excise tax on arrow shafts.[60][61] Ryan has also co-sponsored 975 bills[59] of which 176 have passed.[62] 22 percent of these bills were originally sponsored by Democrats; the average for Republicans is 19 percent.[59] In 2010, Ryan was a member of the bipartisan National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform (Bowles-Simpson Commission), which was tasked with developing a plan to reduce the federal deficit. He voted against the final report of the commission.[63]

Democrats do his work-but the Bow and Arrow win is all his. Captain Teabag does it again?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ryan_(politician)

GOPisextinct

"I'm going to invent a machine that burns republicans for fuel."

Great idea! And you can grease it with illegal aliens!