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The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd talks about the last presidential debate, which will focus on foreign policy.
*** Obama’s Midwest firewall? Is this campaign about one region and one region alone? How the Midwest goes, so goes this election? Now the question is whether Mitt Romney and Republicans have made inroads in the Midwestern battlegrounds or not. They say they have. But our new NBC/WSJ/Marist polls of Iowa and Wisconsin, plus our survey last week of Ohio, suggest that President Obama has built a firewall in the Midwest, even after Romney’s momentum from that first presidential debate. In Wisconsin, Obama leads Romney by six points among likely voters, 51%-45%, which is virtually unchanged from the margin last month. In Iowa, Obama is up by eight points, 51%-43%, which also is nearly identical to where it was in September. And as we revealed last week, Obama was ahead in Ohio, 51%-45%. What’s significant here: If Obama wins all three states, he surpasses 270 electoral votes. But if Romney is able to pick off one of them, that widens the GOP’s path to 270 and narrows the Democratic one.
*** Romney camp: The Iowa race is much closer: The Romney campaign insists, however, that the contest is MUCH closer in Iowa than our NBC/WSJ/Marist poll shows. The X-factor here may very well be early voting. Per our poll, 34% of likely voters say they have already cast their ballots, and the president is winning those people, 67%-32%. Another 11% say they are planning to vote early, and Obama is up with them, 55%-39%. On the other hand, Election Day voters have Romney ahead, 54%-39%. But Republicans have pointed out that 285,000 early and absentee ballots have been received in Iowa, which is about 19% of the 2008 electorate in the state -- so less than the 34% in our poll. But an overall total 463,000 absentee ballots have been REQUESTED in the state, and that comes to 30% of the 2008 electorate, which is much closer to that 34%. So what’s going on here? Are likely-voter models overstating those who have voted early? Are Democrats just more apt to say they’ve voted early (even if they haven’t), because Obama is asking them to do so? Are these requested absentee ballots already in the mail but haven’t been received by the Iowa secretary of state? These are all fair questions to ask. And, yes, it makes polling in these heavy early-voting states much harder.
Jim Young / Reuters
Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney greets supporters at a campaign rally at Lake Erie College in Painesville, Ohio in this file photo.
*** The importance of looking like a winner: Given the reaction from Romney World about our Iowa survey, and also given the Obama campaign’s reaction to the recent USA Today/Gallup poll, it’s important to make a broader point: Both sides want to look like a winner with 18 days to go until Election Day. The fact is, Republicans have very little margin for error in the Midwest, and need all of their voters to turn out. And the same is true for Democrats in what promises to be a close election, especially say in a place like Florida or Virginia. No campaign wants to lose a single vote from someone who might say, “It looks like my side is going to lose, so why vote?” And that’s probably why they’re aggressively pushing back on polls that appear to poke holes in the narratives they’re telling -- that Romney is gaining ground in the Midwest, and that Obama maintains a big gender-gap advantage with women. The bottom line: The Democrats have NO margin for enthusiasm error in Florida and Virginia, and Republicans have NO margin for enthusiasm error in Wisconsin, Iowa, and Ohio.
*** More questions on Libya: Three days until the final Obama-vs.-Romney debate -- on the topic of foreign policy -- don’t be surprised if this story gets raised. The AP: “The CIA station chief in Libya reported to Washington within 24 hours of last month's deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate that there was evidence it was carried out by militants, not a spontaneous mob upset about an American-made video ridiculing Islam's Prophet Muhammad, U.S. officials have told The Associated Press. It is unclear who, if anyone, saw the cable outside the CIA at that point and how high up in the agency the information went.” And this is the central question: Did the intelligence community not quickly share that information with the Obama administration? (And if that’s the case, why not?) Or did the administration get the intel quickly -- but chose to sit on it until it had no choice (including sending out Susan Rice to relay outdated intelligence on the Sunday shows)?
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In the final push in the 2012 presidential election, candidates Mitt Romney and Barack Obama make their last appeals to voters.
*** On the trail: Obama holds a rally at George Mason University in Fairfax, VA at 11:45 am ET… Romney and Ryan stump in Daytona Beach, FL at 8:30 pm ET, and Ryan hits Tampa before that… Biden is in Sun City Center, FL… First Lady Michelle Obama and Bill Clinton hold separate events in Wisconsin… John McCain and Kelly Ayotte campaign for Romney in New Hampshire… And Chris Christie holds a rally in Richmond, VA.
*** On “Meet” this Sunday: NBC’s David Gregory interviews David Axelrod, Ohio Sen. Rob Portman, and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio.
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Polls, polls, polls.
What do we make of them?
If some polls are to be believed (Gallup), we are looking at Romney beating the President by a similar margin that the President won four years ago. Not gonna happen. If other polls are to be believed (NBC / Marist from Iowa and Wisconsin) then 2012 is going to eclipse the best year ever for Democrats (2008). That's not gonna happen either. That's why when you look at the polls, take the average of reputable polls and look at the margin of error. If the average is less than the margin of error, well, there's your tossup states.
On the lighter side, major props to both the President and Gov. Romney for their appearance at that charity dinner last night. They took good natured shots at each other and themselves and it was a nice break from the campaign rhetoric. And it was all for a good cause...which makes it even better.
Have a great weekend all!!!!
I'll be having fun watching the press descend upon my little corner of the country this weekend!! :-)
Koch Industries sent letters pressing employees to vote for Mr. Bain-Romney or "suffer the consequences".
David Siegel owner of WestgateResorts, informed employees that not voting the 0.01%-er way "does threaten your job".
Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL) told business owners to threaten workers with the loss of their jobs or their health insurance ."If you run, own or manage a company, tell your employees!"
Bullying employees to vote against their own interests, goes hand in glove with GOP officials working to get rid of Unions that protect worker rights. Which plays along with GOP work-for-less-and-less legislation, and sweatshop employers who refuse to pay health care coverage.
To cap it off, taxpayer funded GOP congressionals are holding hands with the owner-class; power-tripping, playing Thought Police, threatening our jobs, our families, and getting between us and our constitutional voting rights.
Vote for the middle class! Vote Obama/Biden!
Forward >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I'm proud of you Mom for getting that absentee ballot in your left-leaning county in Ohio and voting strong for Romney and Ryan. Your vote will very well count this year. Good job!
Last night Detroit—Detroit!—completed its sweep of the much-hated millionaires in pinstripes.
And the Cards went up 3-1 on the Giants, virtually ensuring that the final battle will, appropriately, take place in the Heartland.
Could you ask for a better metaphor for this season?
Women's Issues:
Like most men, I don't understand women very well. I enjoy being around intelligent and attractive women and I love one very special woman who is my wife. Oftentimes I ask her questions about how women think and how they come to various conclusions. Recently I asked, "What are the five most important things women care about? Being loved and appreciated, kids and family, healthcare, economic security, and having control of one's own body seem to be big issues. Safety also ranked high on the priority list. That all made sense to me.
Then after the last Presidential debate, NBC was interviewing some undecided voters and a lady thought she would vote for Romney because he was a business man. Didn't she know that this businessman outsourced American jobs to China?
Didn't this lady know that Romney does not support the Lily Ledbetter act for equal pay for women? Didn't she realize that in the debate Romney never answered the question regarding equal pay? Didn't she know that V-P candidate Paul Ryan actually voted against the Lily Ledbetter act? Didn't she know that Romney thought businesses should decide how much to pay women and paying them less would increase their profit margins? Didn't she know that less take-home pay also impacts her pension, Social Security and other benefits?
Didn't this lady know that Romney opposes Roe v. Wade and if elected, only one change on the Supreme Court would likely reverse her right to decide what to do with her own body?
Didn't she know that Romney opposes Planned Parenthood and she would lose the opportunity to receive important medical care for women? Didn't she know that Obamacare provides preventative screenings, contraception benefits, and additional healthcare benefits for women?
Didn't she know that Romney opposes these things that women deem important like healthcare, economic security, and control of her reproductive rights? And contrary, President Obama has worked hard to protect these women's rights.
I don't know why any woman would vote for Romney, but as I said, I don't understand women very well.
It was wonderful to see how cool, calm, collected and Presidential Mitt Romney looked last night. His demeanor was one of confidence and his quips were sharp and to the point. The president on the other hand looked worried, haggard and off his game as he poorly delivered his jokes (sort of like his jokes on America the last four years) with a scowl and not a smile. The president was arrogant and condescending. The president in a tux is like trying to dress up Alfred E. Neuman – impossible – but the president did give us a prime example of what lipstick looks like on a pig. Maybe he can give the 47 million in this country on welfare a tuxedo or a cocktail dress and have someone screaming “Obama clothes, Obama clothes.” Speaking of clothes, was Bill Clinton there last night??? There was mysterious “white” stains on the president’s tux lapels.
Tonight and throughout the weekend more damaging facts will be coming out of the security debacle in Libya and the ensuing cover-up – right before the foreign policy debate on Monday – so no wonder the president looks nervous. Oh one may get off their game a bit when you face a biased audience, questions and moderator and drop one’s guard in the heat of the fight but it’s not how hard you’re hit, it’s how you stand your ground – even if Gaffe Biden is shooting “bullets” at you while waving “chains.” After the first debate, I thought the president might have been doing a “rope-a-dope,” but now it is evident the president is a “DOPE-ON-THE-ROPES.”
Speaking of Gaffe Man Biden, did you see when talked about our troops serving in Iraq and IRAN – TWICE – and watch punch drunk dain bramage Harry Reid raise his hand that he knew those troops???? Now that’s too funny but mostly pathetic.
I am glad the president did clear up something for the American people sitting with the Hollywood Elite last night. "Here is what I will say, if four Americans get killed it is not optimal." What the hell would be optimal -- 3 Americans, 2 Americans, 1 American??? Yeah Mr. President it’s just a bump in the road to you but a tragedy to America – an America not in the Dreams of Your Father.
The death of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other brave American heroes was needless and wasteful. They died in vain – but don’t forget Osama Bin Laden is dead and Al-Qaeda is on its heels – really? Why was Stevens in Libya on 09/11/12? Why were pleas for more security ignored? Who watched the attack live as it was happening in the WH Situation Room and did nothing? Who instructed Carney, Rice et.al. to lie to the media? My God there are so many questions that have been answered with lies and/or dodged. It’s just a matter of time when the “executive privilege” plea will be invoked. This is Watergate on extreme steroids.
MSDNC prime time Stooge Shemp Mathews actually performed a public service on last night's Wiffleball. Everyone paying any attention to politics will recognize the name Lilly Ledbetter. But, until last night's opening comedy sketch on Wiffleball, most people probably had never heard her speak in person. Then there she was on Wiffleball revealing herself to be just another low information lefty liberal moron.
First, she said that abortion is not murder because most abortions are to save the life of the mother. How clueless is that?? And Shemp and his talking head guest, Salon.com's Wrinkle-puss Walsh saw no reason to call her out on her stupidity. Then, when she was asked about what she thought Romney would do with the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay law she said she thought he would "veto it". Moron. Best of all was Shemp's failed attempt at French-kissing Lilly's ass by saying he would call her "Ms. Ledbetter" unless she gave him permission to call her something else. She cluelessly let that go in one ear and right out the other with no response back to Shemp. He never called her "Ms. Ledbetter" again, instead referring to her as "Lilly Ledbetter" for the rest of the interview.
She is definitely not the brightest bulb in the socket or the sharpest knife in the drawer. Makes you wonder if ole Lilly was never discriminated against by not receiving "equal pay for equal work", but, instead was "fairly paid less for inferior work"??
Thanks Shemp!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Music to my ears!
In 18 days, Willard & Queen Annie can slink off into the sunset and retire to which ever state they want to call "home"!
PS: Thanks to all of you again for the Birthday wishes & kind words yesterday!
They are much appreciated!
You all are invited to the party at the Dew Drop Inn tonight!
We have set up the place up to accomodate the over-flow crowd! ;o)
Q: What kind of Businessman Was Mitt Romney And What was His Specialty?
A: Vulture Capitalism
In these terms, Romney's braggadocio about his Bain pillaging speaks to the prevalent bullying that informs the Bush-Obama era. The "unseen drone" is more than a missile but a metaphor for widespread predation, decimating innocent civilians along with shadowy combatants. Big business has betrayed any high-sounding boast as "agent of progress" -- when innovative, new products served the entire community -- instead, favoring old-time regression that freely exploits people, places and resources.
http://timkla.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/vulture.png
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Feisty, Joe Walsh is craaaaaazy! He thinks like Todd Akin a woman has a natural spermicide in her body to repel getting pregnant as a result of rape or incest .
4 more 4 44
Obama/Biden 2012
"How long can a government with a $16 trillion debt remain a world power?"
That's a good question. And who was the perceptive chap who posed that question the other day? Why, none other than one of America's great pals: Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Leave it to this special guy to highlight the geopolitical aspect of our debt problem. Because this crushing burden not only has a domestic impact on we the taxpayers, it also has an impact on our ability to project power around the world, both politically and militarily. Want to build a new aircraft carrier to deploy to the Pacific to counterbalance emerging Chinese influence? Good luck in finding the cash for that. Want to persuade the Europeans to more forcefully address their sovereign debt issues? Well, maybe folks in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
That's why the debate next week on foreign policy will have a significant domestic economic component. Traditionally, an incumbent president would be perceived as having the edge in a foreign policy debate since he has acquired on the job experience in that arena. But these aren't traditional times, and even in this foreign policy debate the door will be wide open to legitimately include a discussion of economic issues.
And whenever the discussion turns to the economy, Romney has the advantage.
Don't Panic
The latest seven-day tracking poll of likely voters shows Romney at 51 percent and Obama at 45 percent, up from 50-46 on Tuesday and 49-47 on Monday.
Romney has steadily gained in the Gallup poll in recent weeks, turning what had been a growing deficit in September into a growing lead since his strong first debate performance. And when Gallup shifted its voter model from registered voters to likely voters last week, Romney’s numbers improved even more (among registered voters, the race is at Romney 48, Obama 46).
The new numbers, of course, don’t include much or any data collected after Tuesday night’s debate. It will take days to determine what effect that might have had.
Gallup continues to show a better picture for Romney than most other pollsters. A Washington Post-ABC News poll released Monday showed:
Obama at 49 percent
Romney at 46 percent
Politico-George Washington University poll showed:
Obama at 49 percent
Romney at 48 percent.
The latest polls: NBC/WSJ/Marist:
IA: Obama 51-43%
WI: Obama 51-45%.
MI: EPIC/MRA has Obama back up 52-46%.
In addition, Democrats have cast doubt on Gallup’s likely-voter model, with the Obama campaign releasing an entire memo on it earlier this week when Gallup showed Romney opening up a similar lead in the 12 most competitive states in the country.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/10/17/mitt-romney-leading-president-obama-by-six-in-gallup-poll/
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Ann Romney said "If Mitt loses, we're done".
HaHa HaHa HaHa!!! Since you and everyone in your campaign have acted like Jackasses, including Taggard for wanting to deck our President; don't let your car elevator hit your hinnies on your way down.
♥ed Lawrence O'Donnell last night in Bostonian street fashion begging that puke, Taggard Romney to take a swing at him.
An audiotape has come to light - with Mitt Romney telling the National Federation of Independent Businesses to "pass along" to their employees that their JOBS MIGHT BE AFFECTED by who wins this presidential election.
ROMNEY: "I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise AND THEREFORE THEIR JOB and their future in the upcoming elections...
ROMNEY: "Nothing illegal about you talking to your employees about what you believe is best for the business..."
Some folks might call it "free speech." But to me, looks like Romney is giving the nod for business owners to bully their employees to vote for him.
Once again, Romney is looking out for MeMeMe first. He is NOT looking out for the "47%" he maligns.
NOR "the 100%".
Here's Romney's latest tax plan:
http://www.romneytaxplan.com/
Happy Friday everyone!
Ron,
As a woman, I don't understand it either!
One of those female undecided voters summed it up best after the debate, she said "I can not vote for someone who is unwilling to listen"!
Hint - she wasn't referring to President Obama!
Mom, now go tell 10 of your friends to see the light as you did and send in theirs for Romney and Ryan in Ohio too. Drive that county out of poverty!
To Texas. Just so she dont think that if she is now in another state she can vote in that state too. I think they need to crossreference people who live in two or more states and make them choose one. one. I know of a republican who actually told me when her grandmother was alive she thought since she lived in two states she could vote in both and did. republican of course And one of them happened to be Florida. So one less legal vote for George Bush?
Frank "Grimey" Grimes, I so agree that was a fantasy poll. Ron, on women's issues, President Obama is 19% up in another poll ; and Backhouse what a great way to end the weekend exposing that scum ball MYTH's tape telling company employee how to vote.
@ Fiesty we gonna party hardy @the DDI
FIRED UP
4 more 4 44
Obama/Biden
feisty -- you failed to mention the part of the view where mrs. romney graciously responded to the idiotic questions whoopi asked about the mormon faith. whoopi's complete lack of knowledge showed her to be just another stupid obamabot. as a wealthy 1%er you'd think she could afford to do a little research.
Females are remarkable, wonderful, and yes, spectacular creatures. They are all different of course, but they also have quite a few similarities, not the least of which is that they carry us male folk around for about nine months while we toss and turn and kick them from the inside. For too many males, it seems they take quite a fancy to kicking women around and spend the rest of their lives doing it. More on that in a minute.
Women are soft, sweet, and vulnerable, but threaten her child and she becomes a raging beast. Women generally don't sling around bags of concrete, fell timber, and build pipelines, but they can if it becomes necessary. They don't seem all that strong, but they can make a man stronger than he ever imagined with just a few words. Most aren't trained in the medical field, but they can make a scraped knee "all better" with a kiss and a hug. They're amazing, and beyond a male's understanding. I sure don't understand them. Hell, one of them married me, and that defies explanation.
Men don't seem to have a lot of those gifts. In the main, we aren't very good at raising children. The most important part of that "tradition" you hear about in "traditional family values" is that the wife has virtually total responsibility for child rearing. When one of the children, we worked so very hard to create and raise, skins his or her knee, in our very manly voices, we say, "Knock off your sniveling. That didn't hurt." Men are the strong hunters, the sunburned workers who till the soil from dawn to dusk.......in our white shirts and wingtips.
We really don't understand women, so it seems very, very strange that we would tell them how to deal with their medical issues and needs. It seems downright stupid that we would interfere in this very private realm, unless they ask.
So here we have these "men" - strong, wise, knowledgeable men - telling women how they must deal with their bodies. These "men" would forbid all kinds of medical treatment for a women, including the right to have access to an abortion. No abortion. Period.
About those "men". They will never have a single period or the almost paralyzing cramps that hit some women. They will never have morning sickness, carry a fetus that doesn't understand the need to sleep, and after nine months deliver something the size of a small watermelon. Yet, these "men" will talk about the sanctity of life. These same "men" insist that a woman, who has been raped and impregnated by the rapist, must carry that fetus to term.
Men don't seem to have the same capacity for empathy that women do. But is it really that hard to imagine the horrible reality of forcing a woman to carry a rapist's child for nine months; to be reminded each and every day of a terrifying incident that no male will ever know? Is this the fate you would allow to be visited on your wife, your mother, your daughter?
Women alone must be entrusted with this issue. It's as simple as that. And to those "men" who feel the need to control women, understand this. If a woman asks for my help fighting the likes of you, I will be there. Control me, punk.
Deadbeat Daddy Joe Walsh (R) IL is on the verge of a nuclear meltdown!
Joey has jumped on the voter intimidation via fear factor technique;
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/10/18/1046021/walsh-intimidate-workers-romney/
We are getting our ballots today- can't wait to vote for Barack. Love to all from the blue state of Oregon.
BUT WAIT there's more... Old Joe is just getting warmed up!
He has also decided to give Todd "forcible rape" Akin a great big {{{HUG}}}
If ignorance is bliss, this creep has to be walking on clouds!
And also when Romney had to retroactively change his place of residence to run for Mass senate or gov whichever, if he voted and was not a legal resident then by retroactive change did he commit voter fraud himself? He wouldn't have been registered there because he didn't live there. Oh I know he has one rule for himself and one rule for the other peons. I hope the majority see through the bs and vote for truth and honesty. It is not as much about Dem or repub to me as to truth, and honesty and Mr. etch a sketch get anyone to believe anything except what I stand for if I know myself. I really don't think he has a core values system except how to make the most of a situation and more money. Any way that works.
It's amazing PUHLEEEEZZZ to see how desperate the left gets in coming up with non-issues like Backhouse and Feisty. You are damn right owners of companies large and small have a right to let their employees know what lies ahead as they see it. At least they are not like the union leadership who constantly lies to its membership.
The over-scrutinization of Obama's interview with Jon Stewart is egregious and indicative of how the media acts more like a pack of dogs than humans. Jon Stewart phrased the question as if it was optimal or not and the President responded to that question in the same terms.
Do you all really think the President is not sobered and saddened by the events of Libya? Of course he is. Does he know there was a mistake made in how it was rolled out and how it was handled at the White House? Of course he does. But let's not confuse his struggle with narcissism by interpreting that as trying to minimize the severity of the issue.
I would think his staff is plotting their revenge right now. And according to a NYT article, the ring leader apparently likes to down cocktails and boast at the local hotel.
ETHIC CLEANSING
Maricopa County In Arizona Gives Wrong Election Date To Spanish Voters
Ron, excellent post, describing the terrible prospects for women if Romney gets his way.
Romney is flip flopping on women's reproductive rights, to get votes.
The bottom line is ROMNEY INSISTS ON OVERTURNING ROE VERSUS WADE a.s.a.p.
FURTHER, Romney said he would install Supreme Court members who would vote Roe versus Wade.
Updated as of 9:35am EST on Friday, October 19, with likely changes throughout
the day as further input emerges from post-debate polling:
Real Clear Politics is consistently cited by both FOXNEWS and NBCNEWS as a current source for reliable averaged polling data at every level of American politics.
Real Clear yesterday reduced the number of total 'toss-up states' still in play at the national level from eleven to ten, having moved North Carolina into the 'leans Romney' column.
As a result, the ten states of Florida (FL), Pennsylvania (PA), Ohio (OH), Michigan (MI), Virginia (VA), Colorado (CO), Wisconsin (WI), Iowa IO), Nevada (NV) and New Hampshire (NH) are the only states yet to be placed in either the Obama or Romney camps.
Beyond that, of the forty states no longer considered toss-up, Romney can lay claim with relative certainty to receiving 206 electoral votes to Obama's 201, with 270 winning the Presidency outright. At present, however, with only 18 days left in the 2012 presidential campaign, Obama leads in eight of the ten remaining toss-up states and Romney leads in two.
In descending order of 'percentage of lead' in favor of Obama, followed in ascending order of 'percentage of lead' in favor of Romney, here are the published averaged polling numbers from Real Clear Politics as of 9:35am EST on Friday, October 19:
In PA, with 20 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 5.0%.
In MI, with 16 electoral votes, Obama's lead has risen to 5.0%, up from 4.3% on Wednesday.
In IO, with 6 electoral votes, Obama's lead has risen to 3.3%, up from 2.3% on Wednesday.
In NV, with 6 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 3.0%.
In WI, with 10 electoral votes, Obama's lead has risen to 2.8%, up from 2.0% on Wednesday.
In OH, with 18 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 2.4%.
In NH, with 4 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 0.8%.
In VA, with 13 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 0.8%.
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In CO, with 9 electoral votes, Romney's lead has fallen to 0.2%, down from 0.8% on Wednesday.
In FL, with 29 electoral votes, Romney's lead is holding at 2.5%.
So…
For Obama to win re-election, the easiest route still appears to be through maintaining his existing lead in five of the six toss-up states where his current margins are widest: PA, MI, IO, WI, and OH. Doing so would bring his electoral vote total on Election Day to 271. Adding in the 6 electoral votes from NV, the sixth state in which the President retains a substantive lead and Obama's tally climbs to 277. This scenario is validated by the fact that the Obama campaign is now flooding IO, WI, and OH with advertising in order to either shore up or expand their existing margins in these three states.
However, should Obama lose the critically important and highly-contested toss-up state of OH, assuming at the same time that NV continues to go his way, the loss could effectively be neutralized by a victory in VA where he presently holds a slim lead of 0.8%, resulting in an electoral vote tally of 272 for Obama.
Yet another alternative route to victory for Obama, should he fail to win either OH or VA, would be to capture NH where he presently leads by only 0.8% combined with a come-from-behind victory in CO where he presently trails by a narrowing Romney lead of 0.2%. This alternative non-OH/VA route would also bring Obama's electoral vote total to 272.
In one last Obama scenario, a less probable but not altogether unlikely come-from-behind victory in FL where he presently trails Romney by 2.5% would allow the President to emerge as victor while sacrificing wins in the five toss-up states where his current lead is smallest: NV, WI, OH, NH, and VA. This FL route also gives Obama 272 electoral votes. However, based on emerging Obama campaign advertising expenditures alone, this scenario does NOT appear to be a favored path to victory for the President and as such, should probably be dismissed.
For Romney to unseat Obama, he not only would have to hold the two states in which he presently leads, FL and CO, bringing his electoral vote total to 244, but also steal victories in VA, NH, and either OH or WI where Obama's current lead is most narrow. By so doing, Romney's electoral vote total, at minimum, reaches 271.
However, as of yesterday Obama's lead has been widening in WI, perhaps because of the results of the 2nd presidential debate, so winning in OH appears the better option for Romney. It should therefore come as no surprise, and perhaps to strike at the very heart of this likely Romney strategy regarding OH, that Obama spent most of the day yesterday campaigning with Bill Clinton and Bruce Springsteen throughout the Buckeye State before heading to New Hampshire and ultimately to New York City for the Al Smith Dinner alongside Romney.
Should Romney come-from-behind and win in OH while still losing NH and WI, his path to victory would only require that he maintain his lead in FL and CO while stealing VA where Obama's present lead of 0.8% is most narrow. This scenario would give Romney 275 electoral votes.
With nineteen days left in the campaign and assuming a 'wash' in the third and final presidential debate, this one may come down to the wire…. and to the October jobs report.
Let us hope that Election Day is free of both voter fraud and voter intimidation; let us also hope that vote tabulation itself is performed honestly and accurately by both the election commissions and private corporations to whom this essential role is being entrusted.
In any case, it will be interesting to watch as election night unfolds.
For those of you choosing to cite yesterday's published Gallup national tracking poll spread of 7% in favor of Romney as evidence that Real Clear Politics cannot possibly be correct in their averaged projections, please understand that any poll which tracks national popular sentiment is inconsequential as the United States of America does not elect presidents based on a national popular vote.
State polling, on the other hand, IS consequential because we DO elect presidents based on popular voting WITHIN a state. In fact, it is the popular vote within any given state which determines to which candidate the electoral votes from that state go.
If Gallup had Romney leading in all ten remaining toss-up states by 7%, state by state, than the 7% figure would matter. Gallup does not, and as a result, their findings remain inconsequential.
RCP, which averages ALL recent major polling in order to construct the broadest possible sample (and therefore a more reliable indicator than any individual poll), has no candidate with a lead larger than 5.0% in any of their ten remaining toss-up states, and that lead belongs to Obama in both Pennsylvania and Michigan.
In fact, Romney's largest lead according to Real Clear is in Florida, with a 2.5% advantage.
Although you might take encouragement from national polling which shows a widening lead for the candidate whom you support, don't make the mistake of believing that national surveys reflect electoral college results.
They don't.
Lastly, perhaps in a spate of wishful thinking, very early this morning FOXNEWS.com began floating a story reiterating yesterday's inconsequential Gallup numbers while simultaneously suggesting that the electoral map was beginning to shift in Romney's favor.
Citing RCP, as I have here, FOX trumpeted the placement of NC in the Romney column as evidence of a broader and undeniable shift in the electoral balance, when in fact it is anything but. NC more likely represents Romney's last hurrah in terms of pre-election assignment of electors, with all of the remaining toss-up states (other than FL) either leaning for or quickly shifting toward Obama.
Again, notwithstanding an unexpected national calamity or an 'October surprise,' the only factors which still may have a substantial impact on polling going forward would be next Monday's final presidential debate on foreign policy and the release of October jobs numbers in early November.
texas -- i expect the President of the United States to respond as a professional I realize he spends a great deal of his time with comedians and mindless celebrities but when asked a serious question about a tragic event he must use his own words and not rely on the comic.
anaxgnosis,
Doesn't Oregon vote by mail only?
Frank "Grimey" in Florida,
Just wondering if Florida has done away with the butterfly ballot and the hanging, pregnant chad?
And I hear your ballot is six pages long?
Love it that people are voting today by absentee...
Only 18days and all the ads will be off the air!!!!
Shouldnt we be electing people that will be good examples for the voters. Joe Walsh before had unpapid back child support, his house was going into foreclosure and I believe he was the one complaining about his healthcare benefits not kicking in right away. I don't think he is in my district in Illinois or I would surely vote him out. HOw can we get republicans to see what all and I mean all of these people do in their lives which will indicate what they stand for AND what they have been doing since elected.Which is nothing but obstruct and then whine because things aren't getting done. Because they aren't doing anything that is why! Aren't republicans inquisitive. Do they just take in whatever they are spoon fed by THEIR MEDIA OF CHOICE. Do they only listen to what they want and refuse to face any truth whatsoever. And for those basing their votes on religious values as they claim aren't they concerned about the values or lack of them of their own two candidates. Why don't they take the time and effort to check it out.They will just blindly vote. I don't understand it at all. It is like reading a billboard in great big letters and saying that is not what it says. The info is out there as plain as day. They just refuse to take it in. They have to know someone is telling lies. Aren't they interested in determining who since they will be voting these two in if they have a chance. We need to give intelligence tests to vote. And if they flunk information on what their candidate says and claims they can't vote.
" I TOLD YOU." The polls are starting to creep up in favor of our President. Key swing states are moving up for President Obama. Last nights performance by our President made Romney's speech look laughable. Romney thinks he's funny. I can assure you he doesn't have a funny bone in is body. He's painful to watch.
Looking forward to next Mondays debate. Shoud be the clincher for President Obama.
OBAMA IN 2012.
ktlin60,
Deadbeat Daddy Joe represents IL 8th district!
Vote Tammy Duckworth and send his tea bagging ass packing!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-romneys-facts-are-curious-things/2012/10/17/11157cc6-189f-11e2-9855-71f2b202721b_story.html?hpid=z2
Dean. If Romney wins what makes you think that won't be you? I suggest everyone get their house and car purchases made and make sure their job is not financed by a rich guy. You may need to to get through 4 or 8 years. And I wish everyone would write down what Romney says because republicans will deny he said or did anything of it. Especially about medicare! Ryan wants to destroy all gov programs. He has stated it and if elected he will go for it. That is what they do. And of course if things go badly Romney didn't say it. Or they didn't know Ryan felt that way. What do they think russian atheist economics even are? They will deny everything and accuse Obama and any Democrat running of being the bad guy. What a shame that party has become!
ktlin60 - my Mom lives and votes in one state. Please don't insinuate she is a cheat.
Disgusting. But I suppose you are used to that where you are from.
Dont_carry_it_all
Here's Romney's latest tax plan:
http://www.romneytaxplan.com/
If you're looking for the truth there it is. Myth has nothing to offer! LOL
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Obama/Biden 2012
Dont_carry_it_all
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-romneys-facts-are-curious-things/2012/10/17/11157cc6-189f-11e2-9855-71f2b202721b_story.html?hpid=z2
How about this one; Dont_carry_it_all?
Romney Admits Pushing Misinformation In Debate
Fact checkers quickly pounced on the claim explaining that only a tiny percentage of firms that received grants or loans from the Recovery Act have actually filed for bankruptcy. And now, the Romney campaign itself is walking back the GOP presidential candidate’s claim. From Michael Grunwald, author of The New New Deal: The Hidden History of Change in the Obama Era:
Grunwald estimates that less than 1 percent of green firms have gone bad in terms of dollar value.
Romney also singled out Tesla Motors, which designs and manufactures electric vehicles, and received a $465 million loan from the Department of Energy. Last night, he quipped, “I had a friend who said you don’t just pick the winners and losers, you pick the losers, all right?” But the company is not a loser. “Founder Elon Musk says it will accelerate its payment of the principal in the spring — and the Department of Energy isn’t complaining it’s not getting its money back.” Romney, unfortunately, has turned to rooting against an American company in his effort to unseat Obama.
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/04/960881/romney-admits-pushing-misinformation-in-debate/
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Backhouse- IF such a letter exist that is election platinum and it would be pushed all over the press. Literally instructing your employees that they must vote for one candidate (coersion) is wrong (either party) and the media would post it all over to prove the Koch's nefariousness and bolster liberal claims. If a company or organization chooses to endorse a candidate, is that wrong? I get the NEA's mailings and they clearly endorse candidates as a measure of "protecting" their interests- I still get my choice but they are letting the union workers know which lever to pull at the polls. Is that wrong?
If a boss says to their employees that their vote is important and that unless existing legislation is changed they will be forced to layoff workers, then that is a ligitimate form of communications. They aren't telling you that you have to vote for one candidate, but they are informing you that they won't be able to do business due to legislative requirements that impact the business and they aren't planning on going out of business, so someone's going to go if things continue.
Hey, spin it what ever way you want but I don't think you've got traction on this one. I'm sure we can pull out a lot of endorsement statements from businesses and organizations that actually employ people and represent people. Oooooo, scary. Freedom means that you don't have to tell anyone how you want to vote and you can pull the lever yourself. If you were in an organization that sent someone into the box with you or watched you fill out the form, then freedom as we know it is over. I don't believe that to be the case.
Hi Northstar...
Unless something has changed this year, there are no butterfly ballots or chads to worry about. Voting has actually been pretty easy down here for the last few elections. As for the length of the ballot, I admit that I haven't looked at it yet. We love our ballot initiatives down here and every election we have quite a few. They are what makes the ballot so freaking long. They are usually at the end though, which is why the vote totals for those initiatives is so much lower than for the Presidential / Senate races.
As for the commercials...I'm not sure I will be okay when they stop. Kinda like going cold turkey...maybe they could just show like an ad every hour the first day after the election...then every 2 hours, until they slowly vanish. ;-)
Further evidence that the word “news” has no business being associated with anything Fox does.
Michelle Malkin: "Vote With Your Lady's Smarts, Not With Your Lady Parts" By Not Voting For Obama
From the October 18 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
http://mediamatters.org/video/2012/10/18/michelle-malkin-vote-with-your-ladys-smarts-not/190729
Fortunately, Ms Malkin, my "Lady Smarts "are not slavish to a party of no-nothings low lifes
Beverly, you're right about the Gallop numbers, in 2008 Gallop was off by 9 points in its likely voter poll and actually did better, only off by 4 points in its registered voter poll. One of the worst showings of the election!
I was stunned how scripted Romney looked, including his stance as though a 2X4 was stuck up his a@@. That would be the line if Ben lots a numbers were, god forbid, a Democrat. I thought both candidates delivered some great political humor. This wasn't a contest, there was no prize to win, it was the two candidates delivering some scripted humor. Romney had some zingers and laughable lines, as did Obama. I will add it was some great comedic relief in the midst of this heated contest. Sadly, Ben is so uptight, he can't enjoy the moment. That 2X4 I referenced wasn't stuck up Romney's a@@, it was staring Ben #s in the face challenging him to either give it up and laugh, or suffer slivers in his 3rd eye sphincter-winker.
Romney gutted his tax cut plan (which he previously hailed as a way of increasing growth of our economy) to try to win debates. Now, his tax plan is revenue neutral (supposedly) and he has no plan for growing the economy. His tax cut plan, as a result, is now only a way of trying to convince voters that they will get a tax cut.
What happened to reducing the deficit?
Romney has promised $2 trillion more for defense (over 10 years). Just to honor his defense spending increase, he will have to cut $200 billion per year from government spending in other areas. Welfare spending is $32 billion per year. Food stamps $40 billion per year. If you look at what we spend, it is difficult to find areas that you can make big cuts to get $200 billion per year. And even if he succeeds at cutting $200 billion per year, he would have done absolutely nothing to cut the budget deficit.
At present, Romney has no plan for growing the economy. He is hoping Obama's plan will work to increase growth. And it is working. Consumers have reduced their debt over the past 3.5 years and are spending more. Large businesses have record amounts of cash on hand to invest in growing their businesses and are just waiting for consumers to spend more. Housing starts are way up and unemployment is headed down. Obama's plan is working. That it didn't work faster is the result of his second round of stimulus (infrastructure and jobs bill) being blocked by Republicans.
Obama 2012....for a better, fairer America
TexasT-2966501
I'm even more proud of my mother for getting that absentee ballot in IOWA and voting strong for Obama/Biden. Your vote will more than count this year. I am also equally proud that my office mother got her absentee ballot in OHIO and voting strong for Obama/Biden. Lastly, I am even prouder that my entire family spread throughout the midwest (Mn, Iowa, and Wis) are standing strong for Obama and ensuring the right conservative bases loses its chance to destroy our civil rights and keeps this country moving forward.
We can't afford R$meny and his lack of a detailed economic plan
The Republican party is starting to get very worried about this election. It seems that voters have woken up to the lies that the Tea Party used to get control of the GOP, and the House. Since those fleas have bitten the GOP dog, it has acted like a mongrel with rabies; attacking anything and everything which might improve the United States.
This election is the time to rid the United States of those pests. Like any pestilence, they have done their damage, but it is not yet irreparable. We CAN improve the country if we all, together, decide to move the country forward. Now is not the time to allow the few wealthy individuals to drag the nation back to the failures which have lead to the decline of the middle class and caused the 2nd deepest recession in nearly a century.
Now is the time for all of us, government, business, educational institutions and individuals, to join together to move the country forward toward improving the lives of everyone. We can only do this if we say, together, that each of us is responsible and instead of attempting to place blame and end everything to find ways that each part helps to make a greater whole.
Joe in Albany, Ms Ledbetter was stating her beliefs and you attack. At least she is "bright" enough to recognize that women's right are being assaulted, that their current rights do not expire with time, and that they deserve equal pay for doing the same work as men. Apparently she is a little brighter than you.
Ambassador Stevens' mother has requested her son's death not be politicized. She also said, "I don't think it's productive to lay blame on people" and she "doesn't want to talk about the circumstances surrounding her son's death." And Ambassador Stevens' father has asked Mitt Romney to stop politicizing his son's death, but Mr. Romney continues to do so.
Apparently, Mr. Romney has no respect for our dead patriots or their families, and neither do all those other folks on the Vine who keep trying to make the President sound like he is responsible or doesn't care about the Ambassador's death. As the President said, he is the one who must greet these coffins when they return home.
So, lighten up GOP/TP -- there are real people out there who have lost loved ones in this.
"Here is what I will say -- if four Americans get killed, it is not optimal. And we are going to fix it."
"And what happens during the course of a presidency, you know, the government is a big operation -- at any given time, something screws up and you make sure you find out what's broken and you fix it."
"we weren't confused about the fact that four Americans had been killed. I wasn't confused about the fact that we needed to ramp up diplomatic security around the world right after it happened."
"I wasn't confused about the fact that we were going to hunt down whoever did it and bring them to justice. So, as I said during the debate, nobody is more interested in figuring this out than I am."
All are Barack Obama words..... brave Americans DIED & Mr Obama thinks they were "not optimal"
Goodbye Barry.... take your wife & kids back to Chicago.............
Obama has divided the country like no other- rich against poor, black against white, women against men, and now north against south. What an azz.
My Uncle Carl was a staunch Conservative, and voted straight Republican until the day he died up in Chicago four years ago...
since then he has voted Democrat.
@silverton -- You forget that the family of another wasted life in Libya wants answers. Are you saying there is a pecking order to grief and the right to know?
California Tom
Looking forward to next Mondays debate. Shoud be the clincher for President Obama.
I'm looking forward to our President making MYTH stammer with his nervous voice (hate it) and look like a clueless empty suit on Foriegn Policy and MYTH's involvement in China; particularly MYTH's latest vulture adventurism of shipping 250 J-O-B-S to China from the Sensataplant in Freeport, IL!!!
4 more 4 44
OBAMA IN 2012.
David Walker, I agree with your politics in general, but I must take issue with your statement about women:
How can you make that broad, sweeping generalization? It's simply not true. Many women are doctors, nurses, therapists, etc. I'm sure you could argue that there are fewer female surgeons than male ones, but that is not because they aren't capable of doing so. Be careful what you write!
Yes, Oregon is a mail vote in state. Everyone receives their ballot today in the mail and can send it in or drop it off sometime before election day.
James Lipton, host of "Inside the Actor's Studio," was asked to descibe Romney's personality as a politician and his performance at the first two presidential debates.
This is what he said:
"He (Romney) is that boss who tells lame jokes and waits for everybody to laugh-- or else. And who keeps us forever off balance, uncertain and anxious.
America has a clear choice: does it want a president, or a boss?"
Romney has the mindset of a CEO who has been surrounded his entire career by 'yes men'. Romney is imperious and condescending. Read what his former co-workers at Bain have said about him: he likes to play mind games with people and keep them confused and worried.
A president is faced with many circumstances and crises. He deals with life and death issues, not profit margins.
We need a president who makes decisions with integrity and courage. We need a president who says what he means and means what he says.
We have that president now. We must re-elect Barack Obama, a proven, trusted leader.
Mitt Romney has shown us over and over again that he is not presidential material.
VOTE OBAMA/ BIDEN 2012
I love America. I love my Children. I enjoy the freedoms we currently have. I do not want America to become a third world country. I want opportunity for my children and grand children. I put my life on the line for this Country and I would do it again. That's why I support Romney for President. If we continue on the path that this current Administration is on we will become a third world country. I have been there. I have seen it. I do not want that for my children.
Poor Bill, just falling all over himself, now listening to the Iranian president for sound political advice. Whatever!!
rukidding47 - If you love this country so much, then you should be willing to help pay to keep it going. Not a quality I see in many Republicans. Their "stave the beast" mentality will in time destroy the country you love so much.
Sueb1
Beverly, you're right about the Gallop numbers, in 2008 Gallop was off by 9 points in its likely voter poll and actually did better, only off by 4 points in its registered voter poll. One of the worst showings of the election!
Sueb1, I read some where out of all the 120 polls Gallop is the worst.
Nate Silver
Barack Obama
Chance of
Winning
70.4%
+4.3 since Oct. 11
Updated 11:38 PM ET on Oct. 18
President
Nov. 6 Forecast
President
Now-cast
Senate
Nov. 6 Forecast
Mitt Romney
Barack Obama
246.4
-1.7 since Oct. 11
291.6
+1.7 since Oct. 11
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/
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Obama/Biden 2012
Beverly- Let's take Tesla Motors for a moment. Tesly Motors is the start up company of a billionaire, Elon Musk. They started business to make an uber expensive electric car similar to top-of-the-line sports car, well over $100,000 each. They are currently developing models that start at $50,000, not exactly that electric car for the common family is it?
Tesla Motors received a $10 million grant from the California Energy Commission to help them pay for some machinery in their factory (paid for by California taxpayers, but for Tesla's profit).
Tesla Motors received $465 million in federal loans (taxpayer funded). The government just changed the terms of the loan to relieve them of a timeline for repayment (similar to Solyndra's terms being changed btw). So you may get our money back some day, if they remain solvent, when they choose to pay it back, and without interest.
Add to that they are behind in the deliveries of the cars that people have prepayed them for, so that's an uncomfortable sign of their productivity. They delivered 10 cars in June and none since- though they say they will and have accepted deposits on the 20,000 cars they intend to build next year. Catch that- 20,000 cars they intend to build next year? Last year Americans bought 12.8 million cars, 20,000 is about 1/1000% of that market. Is this really a good investment of taxpayer money?!?!?
Accept Truth "Taxcut hikes Debt &Poverty for 28 years since 1980&onlyPresident Clinton'sTaxhike cut Debt &Poverty for 4 yrs(1996-2000)"
This Ohioan and former Republican (and 4 other household members) in a very Conservative/Republican leaning district (N.E. Ohio) have submitted our strong ballots for Obama/Biden and Sherrod Brown.
Red -- My thoughts as well. WHO in their right mind listens to the Iranian president's ramblings? Sheesh!
Bev -- Doesn't it make you mad when the press couches a flat out lie with the word "misinformation"? Wish they would call a lie a lie.
People are finally seeing obama for what he is, just another community organizer of no substance who speaks half truths and out and out lies.
It's scary and aggravating how clueless some women can be! Michelle Malkin doesn't have any lady smarts if she's happy to consign control of her lady parts to the GOP.
The GOP has made it clear that they want to overturn Roe v. Wade, do away with Planned Parenthood, make a woman get permission from her employer to have contraceptive health insurance coverage, make women prove that they were raped, victimized by incest, or will die before they can terminate a pregnancy...on and on.
The Michelle Malkin mindset is exactly the same self-defeating, beaten-down attitude that keeps Middle Eastern women at home, covered head to toe, uneducated, bearing seven children, the property of their fathers and then their husbands.
I have said it before and I'll keep saying it:
ANY WOMAN WHO VOTES FOR A REPUBLICAN IS A FOOL
Bethie from Texas:
You wrote:
Yes Bethie, it is true. Most women aren't trained in the medical field, just as most men aren't trained in the medical field. I'm afraid you missed my point. Of course, there are women in the medical field. Indeed, nursing has been dominated by women for many years, but that doesn't change the fact that women generally are not trained in medicine.
Far more women make their living in retailing and administrative positions. That said, they still excel at making scrapes and bruises hurt a whole lot less with a comforting hug and a kiss.
Don't carry it all,
That tax plan link was great. It explained things concisely and I laughed and laughed.
If Obama wins everyone's tax will skyrocket in January. For those liberals that failed in math, the vast majority of revenue from the Bush tax cuts does not come from allowing them to expire on only the top earners. The Bush tax cut for the middle class is where the revenue resides, and Obama has every intention of allowing those to expire and blaming Republicans.
It is already set up and ready to happen. Obama has said he will veto any bill to avoid the fiscal cliff if it does not raise taxes on the top earners. Republicans have vowed not to send him that bill. So with the Reid led Senate more then happy to sit on any bill that comes from the House, the tax cuts will expire for everyone. Which is exactly what Obama wants.
Obama will claim he can't stop what congress can't agree on, and automatic across the board spending cuts will go into affect. Republicans will take a beating, even though every media outlet and the Democratic Party will have orchestrated the entire event. Only if Romney is elected will this issue be avoided.
TO ALL LIBTARDS REGARDING LILLY LEDBETTER LAW...PLEASE READ
Lilly Ledbetter Law is About Lawsuits, Not Equal Pay
The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act extends the statute of limitations time frame within which a lawsuit can be brought against an employer for discriminatory actions, seemingly preventing a company from removing the employee responsible for the discrimination and escaping from any penalty for the action.
NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS
On January 29, 2009, Obama signed the bill into law. It was the first act he signed as president, and it fulfilled his campaign pledge to nullify Ledbetter v. Goodyear.
By signing it only two days after it was passed by the House, he of course broke his campaign promise to give the public five days of notice to comment on legislation before he signed it.
ktlin60
The Houston Chronicle had an article today about a Republican running for office here who was caught voting in Pennsylvania, where he had a second home, as well as in Texas. There IS widespread voter fraud, and most of it is Republicans monkeying around with absentee ballots. That, of course, is why Republicans who claim they're so disturbed over voter fraud go after nearly nonexistent in-person voter fraud instead and just pretend they don't know about absentee ballot fraud.
Minorities tend to vote in person, especially in early voting and Republicans tend to vote absentee (and cheat). The Repubs try to suppress minority voters using bogus fraud claims as an excuse while they protect the source of real voter fraud in absentee ballots because it primarily favors Republicans.
Ed -- Glad you got a laugh out of that, I did too! That link explains much, agreed!
Found that on another blog and thought it worthy to bring here. Have a great Friday!
Ticked off in Ohio
And why would you think most people here know that, you moron?
The Lilly Ledbetter Act had to be passed because the radical right Supreme Court made an outrageously unjust ruling about when the statutes of limitation expired for suits against discrimination. Mitt Romney was against it before he was for it before he was against it again, according to his campaign shills who keep changing their story to keep the public confused.
These NBC polls are all wildly off from what every other major polling shows. In almost every state mentioned the NBC poll shows Obama with 2, 3 or even 4 TIMES that lead that all the other polls show. That NBC is not questioning the polls' methodology says a lot about the quality of "journalism" they put out.
Stop the Florida Governor from stealing the Election for Romney, lets not have another "W" happen !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I live in the Midwest and if we get 4 more years of Obuma I feel I have no future and not so sure about my kids or grand kids future either. This country needs a miracle.
great, yet another ruined thread by that nazi red headed fatzy
Correct. Killing Bin Laden is good for the mindset but in reality Bin Laden will be replaced by another cockroach. Nothing changes.
Great posts, liberal friends; too many to single out and respond to.
My opinion of undecided voters at this late date is simply that they are the same people who block the grocery aisles because they can't decide what brand of toilet paper to buy--Charmin or Quilted Northern, what's on sale or what they actually like. They stand there contemplating this overwhelming decision, then glare at you when you say "excuse me, would you please move over". I've been voting since crooked Richard Nixon made his second run for president. Never in all those years was I undecided this close to an election.
Obama will get his butt handed to him Monday. His only way out of the corner he's in with regard to Libya is to just come right out and say "I screwed up royally". The record is clear about what they attempted to do in the days following the attack and it is clear the truth was not forthcoming till they realized they could no longer hide behind their lies. On this issue alone Obama will lose the debate, even before it starts.
Wait...so democrats and liberals want to complain when jobs are sent to China but have no issue allowing anyone in this country illegally to do the exact same thing...labor for less...it has the same effect..LESS JOBS FOR AMERICANS.
I love the double standard and hypocrisy from the liberals. Its amazing.
Ron,
Let me explain woman to you. They are humans. Just like you. They want what you want. Being a Woman or Gay or Black or Left Handed doesn't change the fact that we all want 99% the same things. Dividing the population by saying that Woman or Blacks or Gays or Lithuanians have fundamentally different needs is bias at its most insidious. Saying you don't understand Women may sound trite, but doesn't it also engender the notion that gender makes us unequal? If their Womanhood alone makes them fundamentally unfathomable. So let's just run with Woman are people, and want what people want.
Roughly half the people think Romney will be better at providing those things. Maybe not fully half, let's say 47% Romney. Writing off 47% as idiots has been tried recently to poor result.
So accept the simple truth - many people equally as smart as you obviously are, look at the same set of facts - but thinks R is better than O.
They are not predominately dumb, or racist, or zealots, or 1% ers, or acting against their own interests.
If someone finds they have to call a smart person disagreeing with them dumb, they should realize it says more about the accuser than the accused.
I think choice is important. (I've stated my thoughts here before about choice being absolute up till viability, then its a balance of two people's rights.) I place it on a long list of important things. I gauge the likelihood of choice or other important things realistically being restricted by the whims of a President over the will of the electorate.
Most of the Women I know are strongly pro-choice, but think Debt is a bigger issue at the moment. You know - the future of our society vs. an issue that's largely already resolved and - histrionics aside, extremely unlikely to change in our lifetimes. Many will choose Romney despite disagreeing with him on Choice.
Its not shocking or hard to understand. The histrionics may convince a few, but it makes most just sigh heavily.
Straight from nbc: "And this is the central question: Did the intelligence community not quickly share that information with the Obama administration? (And if that’s the case, why not?) Or did the administration get the intel quickly -- but chose to sit on it until it had no choice (including sending out Susan Rice to relay outdated intelligence on the Sunday shows)?" I would think that ANYONE with half of a brain can figure this one out...
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012
Our future President of the United States.
GO ROMNEY!!!!
It is shocking that Mitt Romney's 42 year-old son, Tagg, said he wanted to take a swing at President Barack Obama and the Moderator during the N.Y., debate. For someone in a Political family to speak openly about wanting to physically attack the President of the United States of America is really disturbing, Someone got to get this kid on some Meds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Houston -- You wrote:
That sums up Romney and Company's entire campaign strategy. Forget giving the public actual details to things such as his tax plan, foreign policy or his position on an important issue. They know if the public really knew what they intend to do they would lose by a landslide. Thus the deception continues.
Jody -- LOL, so true!
All I have3 to kbnow is that A""-H"leChunk Todd wrote this article, he cou8ld not even get a job back in the '60's if if he applied them, he is not journalist.
To Frank "Grimey" Grimes, thanks for the intelligent and civil post to start off this beautiful Fall Friday. Frank, I always enjoy your gentle humor and your good natured observations. You are easily my favorite Republican and I always read and enjoy your musings. I wish I could shed my tendency to predict and snipe and be more like you. Good work.
KB, girl you are hitting homers again today. Keep swinging, you're knocking them out of the park.
Roadlesstraveled....what can I say, if don't like what Feisty has to say, don't read her posts or better yet go over to the Fox News blog.
As I see it you have three options:
1. Use the "ignore" button. I do and after this post YOU will join the many hundreds of Dittoheads I have on "ignore". Sorry, you just don't have anything I care to read.
2. Turn your computer off or switch over and play some computer chess or something.
3. Go to a different source for news. MSNBC is obviously too "liberal" for your tastes anyway.
And, above-all, try to remember that we are all Americans. We are all in this together, and at the end of the day we have to COME together to solve this nation's problems. If you keep rowing to the right while I row to the left we are never going to get anywhere. We've got to cooperate and compromise.
Have a nice weekend everybody. We're having a lovely Fall out here on the prairie and I hope you are too!
Obama/Biden 2012
Rick,
Since absolutely no Dem has said this or implied this or wished for this, just how is it you know that Obama will do this? Are you psychic? Do you read minds? Just because you want to scare people into voting for your candidate doesn't mean you get to spout absolutely meaningless lies in order to achieve that goal. Get a better argument.
If you really want to worry about tax hikes, take a look at Romney's tax plan, because the only way he can achieve a revenue neutral stance is to eliminate all tax credits and deductions for the middle class, which will cost middle class voters approximately $4000 per year. That is a lot more likely, and a lot more frightening, because most of us don't have $4000 to spare.
Paul MN...we all make typing mistakes from time to time, but come on.
It's 10 AM in Minnesota. Wake up/ sober up before you post a comment. We are busy people here.
Thanks for your kind words, skip. You are easily one of my favorite Democrats here. :)
"....all of the remaining toss-up states (other than FL) either leaning for or quickly shifting toward Obama."
LOL ! The alternate universe of First Read...
Saw Chuck Todd on his show playing with electoral scenarios on the high tech electronic board, with cool graphics......
Instead, Todd amused himself and his mentor Axelrod by taking his hand and moving as many states as he could over to Obama.
He frantically set out a dozen scenarios whereby Obama could win, many including Virginia...Chuck, your credibility has moved over from the category "leans credibility" to "drinking the Obama koolaid"
youtu.be/grQTuIYnreg
For those of you who think Mitt Romney will be good for our economy, because he's a businessman who knows how to get our country back on its feet, you should watch this video.
Beverly, I'll bet you read that on the internet, and according to the insurance commercial, they can't post anything that isn't true on the internet. Is your boyfriend a French model? The Gallup poll is on a rolling ten-day cycle, and results from after Tuesday won't show until tomorrow. I still think the Benghazi, Libya, incident is going to sink Obama. He's running scared right now, and judging by the ridiculous comments from the left, so are all of you. Your Prez-O-Dent is on the way out, and the only way he'll stay in power is if he pulls a Vlad Putin and declares some kind of martial law to shut down govt. and become a communist (which he is) dictator.
Dont_carry_it_all - still chuckling over Romney's Tax Plan. Thanks for starting the morning with a laugh!
unconventional - you write a nice post but, woman to woman, please explain Romney's economic plan to me. He certainly hasn't been able to. He keeps saying, I can do this I've done it before. But see, he hasn't. He's run businesses before - not really well as so many have sent jobs to China and the jobs left her are at minimum wage - which he and Ryan want to get rid of.
If you check, there has never been a President who has done a good job running the country who was a businessman. Running a business is NOT the same as running a country.
So, you're willing to give away women's rights so a man who is deceptive; can't discuss his plans; is blatantly dishonest; and has signed a loyalty oath to Grover Norquist - not our country - you're willing to make him President? When the biggest problem with the country is the Republican party refusing to help the country just so they could make Obama a one-term President - you're willing to reward them for their treasonous behavior?
And, be truthful - you have no idea how much he has cheated in order to be successful. Unlike EVERY OTHER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN MODERN TIME - Mitt refuses to release at least 5 years of tax returns. He is clearly hiding something.
How sad you have no moral ground to stand on. How sad you are willing to throw everyone - not just women - under the bus and vote for the fraud who is Mitt Romney.
Obama/Biden 2012
"New NBC/WSJ/Marist polls: Obama leads Romney 51%-45% in Wisconsin and 51%-43% in Iowa"
Same old same old. NBC/Marist samples FAR more Democrats than surveys indicate is correct, and then they pretend their polls are accurate.
Gallup has Romney ahead by 7%, and Gallup had a distinct Democratic bias averaging over 3% in 2004 & 2008 (bias defined as overestimating the Democrat's margin when compared with actual figures).
And Rasmussen has Romney ahead by 2% (49% for Romney vs 47% for Obama) in the 'Swing States (including Wisconsin and Iowa).
By the way - Marist had one of the worst average error of any major pollster over the 2004 & 2008 election cycles - In fact, their final poll in 2004 called for Kerry to beat Bush by 1%, but the actual result was Bush winning by 2.4% - an error margin of a whopping 3.4% (biased for the Democrat). I suspect that's why NBC selected them for their polling.
BUSH IGNORED 911 , thousands died.
Bush LIED about Iraq, Thousand died and are wounded and more dying.
Bush quit looking for the killer Bin Laden.
Romney said he would not even look for him
President Obama and Team America killed Bin Laden.
Romney flip flops and says he would have made the same decision as President Obama.
Romney hires 17 of 24 of his advisers from BUSH/CHENEY. Why do you want the nation to suffer once again with his cast of perps who helped bring about the killing thousands of our Americans?
I have read first read for more than a year now, here and there as I have to
work, but I think I will try and finally say a word or two rather than just
reading. First, one thing that I have read over and over again that bothers me
is that some infer that people aren't voting with their own self-interest at
heart. (I.e. how could a woman vote for Governor Romney or how a businessman
could vote for President Obama) I will not try to say where others are coming
from, but I think it isn’t fair for others to assume they know where I am
coming from. I think there are a lot more important things out there than
worrying about my birth control, or even inequality in the workplace. I think
it is wrong to have inequality in the workplace and I do feel that every effort
should be made to have women receive the same as men when doing the same work,
but I would rather be barefoot in my kitchen, with no vote at all, than leave
any burden on my little boy and girl. This is where my motivation is coming
from. As a mother, I want to make sure my kids have the freedom and can do
whatever they want to as they get older. I don’t think that the United States
has been moving that direction as freedoms have been reduced by both President
Bush and President Obama, and the debt is uncontrollable which I see as putting
limitations on the life that my children will have as they get older. I do want
someone to come through and take out parts of government that are needless and
wasteful. From what I have read I feel President Obama wants to increase the
government to make outcomes fair for all, but I fear that this will lead to
more government waste rather than the desired outcome. Governor Romney to me
seems like he wants to cut out much of the government which I feel is
desperately needed. I will be happy to pay more taxes, but I want to make sure
that money is going to my kids and all the kids in our nation, and not
bureaucrats or those not willing to help themselves.
Second, today a question is raised on why any woman could vote republican, and David
Walker wrote about how men can’t know anything about woman. I can agree that a
man will never know what it is like to be a woman, or give birth, or be a
mother, but where I disagree is that this doesn’t necessarily mean that they
don’t have their best interests at heart when trying to make decisions. I think
it is a silly argument to just go out and say a woman will make the right
choice. I know personally I have made the wrong choice. I was with someone that
I shouldn’t have when I was younger because I wanted to be loved and needed.
Unfortunately even though I knew the man wasn’t a great man and didn’t really
care about me, I stayed with him anyway. I made the wrong decision about my own
body and ended up pregnant. He was so callus that when I told him he was afraid
of what others would think and hoped for a miscarriage. Well, I did have a miscarriage
near the end of the first trimester and it was one of the worst things that
ever happened to me, even though I know the father was not a good man. I still
cry about my little baby. I have never known any of my friends that have had an
abortion that haven’t regretted it with all their hearts. Look, I don’t know
what I would do if I was raped, maybe I would get an abortion then, maybe I
wouldn’t. I think that abortion should be there if the mother’s life is in
danger, or in cases of rape or incest, but, I know too many that use it as
birth control and don’t realize the emotional scars that they are putting on
themselves when they undergo abortions. Women don’t always make the best
choices about their bodies, especially young women, and I think there has to be
a way to have abortion there as a necessity, but not as a magic eraser to take
consequences away from women who make poor choices. President Obamas stance on
abortion has revolted me and reminds me more of my Ex who wished for a miscarriage,
rather than someone who actually cares about my woman, my choice, or any of the
babies that would be born.
Hey Fiesty!!!!
Happy Belated Brithday!!
I know where that is!!
Margarita's all around!! Ole'
Crystal-569996
Obama has divided the country like no other- rich against poor, black against white, women against men, and now north against south. What an azz.
My Uncle Carl was a staunch Conservative, and voted straight Republican until the day he died up in Chicago four years ago...
since then he has voted Democrat.
Crystal
I'm not sure if you're trying to be snarky.
In case you didn't know it, dead people don't vote. Only have the dead voted in instances where the dead had voted by absentee and later died. Is that what happened to your Uncle Carl's ballot?
4 more 4 44
Obama/Biden 2012
skip in OKC - I'm in Tulsa, and I wonder how it feels that your vote for Obama and that moron sidekick of his won't matter in the slightest in our wonderful State of Oklahoma. Good luck though, really.
I keep hearing this garbage about womans rights. I do not think I should ( as a tax payer) pay so a woman can have sex when ever and however she wants. If she gets pregnant it is her doing and the man she partnered with. It is not my responsibility unless I am the male involved.
I don't believe in abortion either EXCEPT in the case of proven rape, incest or the life of the mother is in danger. There are too many things available to prevent pregnancy for me to pay for a woman who says one day, Woops I got knocked up again., so she runs to the clinic to terminate it. My tax dollars should not go for people being stupid.
The early voting results do n ot surprise me since Obama has been bribing people on welfare to register and vote early with prepaid cell phones. Heck the can call ahead and schedule their welfare appointments now and not leave the house. Plus early voting lets them work voting into thier busy schedules of making more dependents and drug deals . Having only one day to vote put way too much strain on thier lives.
Ben numbers
No it was NOT in vain. Stevens was popular with the Libyan people and his work greatly improved the standing of the United States. If Mitt Romney is elected, he will let the neocons go back to G. W. Bush's bully-boy foreign policy and the people in the Middle East will despise the US as much as they did when Bush was president. And then Stevens' death WILL have been in vain.
Really.
Momentum for Gov Romney is building and will continue.
After the debate next week, there could be projections that will begin to declare him the winner.
Of course, we will still have articles such as this still trying to sway Romney supporters.
FACT: MITT Romney is behind in his home state!!!!!
Romney may lose his home state of 40 years, which he governed for four, by the largest margin of any U.S. presidential candidate.
Recent voter surveys show Romney trailing President Barack Obama in the state by 14 to 33 percentage points. The largest margin of defeat for any presidential candidate in his home state was Herbert Hoover, who lost Iowa by almost 18 points in 1932.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-17/romney-on-verge-of-home-state-loss-makes-brown-union-man
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Obama/Biden 2012
I am independent, still undecided and come here time to time. I find it informative and interesting. I am appalled that the admins of this page allow people like Feisty Redhead and friends bully others on this page. This is one huge problem with this country. No respect for others and their opinions, only rudeness and hatefulness. I lose interest in posts like that immediately. Your rants and attacks on people only make you lose credibility. Please show some respect for others!
Houston- If it takes more than 60 days for anyone to file a lawsuit then it is more than likely bunk. You can't wait until you realize you cannot find another job 9 months later and use it for "compensation" because you have no income. The law as it was just didn't seem like enough time?
And as stated, it has nothing to do women's rights. It is everyone's right. Male Female Black White Brown Red Yellow and yes even Green.
Chuck Todd is not worth the time it would take too kick his ass out the door.
Mike in SA
These NBC polls are all wildly off from what every other major polling shows. In almost every state mentioned the NBC poll shows Obama with 2, 3 or even 4 TIMES that lead that all the other polls show. That NBC is not questioning the polls' methodology says a lot about the quality of "journalism" they put out.
Mike, How do you account for the other polls?
See #1.10 - Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:17 AM EDT
Talk to the Hand
Huh? Lilly Ledbetter was being underpaid for YEARS before she found out that she was being discriminated against. Maybe your employers let YOU look at your coworkers paychecks so you can see if they're being paid more than you, but few other people are allowed to do that. Or maybe you just don't work, so you don't know about privacy restrictions in the workplace.
Rick
You mislead us with your bogus claim of Obama tax increase.
The budget you are talking about is the fiscal cliff budget which Paul Ryan voted for and called a great bipartisan achievement. It was passed as a temporary stopgap budget to satisfy those Tea Party members of House crazy economic goal of cutting deficit spending in a time of high unemployment. It has huge defense cuts and huge cuts in safety net programs as well as tax increases in it.
This fiscal cliff budget was intentionally made to be unacceptable to either side, so they would have huge incentives to replace it with another saner budget which everyone agrees will be done by end of year. (well before cuts and tax increases actually go into effect).
The Tea Party, if it had succeeded in cutting government spending would have increased unemployment and as a result, slowed growth possibly sending our country back into recession. The resulting reduction in tax revenues and increased cost of unemployed could well have produced a bigger budget deficit. This is why I call the Tea Party plan crazy!
Saner minds prevailed and they satisfied Tea Party by passing this budget, which will be replaced with another, more acceptable one after the election when cooler minds will craft a more acceptable budget. Both Republicans and Democrats agree that this will happen.
Only the uninformed and liars keep trotting out this fiscal cliff budget.
Obama 2012....for a fairer and better America
I also found it really disturbing that he said he wanted to take a swing at the president for calling his father a liar, but he seems perfectly OK that his dear old dad is always calling our president a liar. Doesn't that seem completely hypocritical to everyone?? I find that entire family completely immoral and unethical.
So Romney's punk "boy" Tag wants to take a swing at the president.
#1 The president would kick his ass.
# 2. Romney's other son said, I've been hit by Tag before, The president has nothing to worry about.
That reminds me, when Mitt ordered a gang of thugs to hold a teen boy down, and Mitt asaulted and cut off his hair, why wasn't Mitt serving time for it?
Obama's reelection teams pulling out of VA, NC, and Now FL. I hear a distant rumbling. I feel the earth shaking. What is that?! OMG!!!!! It's a Landslide!!!!!! :)
It'll be a nice day tommorrow if it doesn't rain.
The polls show that Obama may win the election unless he doesn't.
People get paid real money for making these in-depth analyses.
Thanks for your thoughtless contribution, Red. Always happy to see a libtard confirm the ignorance of the breed.
"And this is the central question: Did the intelligence community not quickly share that information with the Obama administration? (And if that’s the case, why not?) Or did the administration get the intel quickly -- but chose to sit on it until it had no choice (including sending out Susan Rice to relay outdated intelligence on the Sunday shows)?"
Would Obama actually try to cover up the truth just before an election? That would be shocking - NOT.
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
You pathetic POS! Four diplomats die in Benghazi and the bottom feeding republicans are all in an uproar because it suits their political agenda. What about the 2000+ GIs that have died in Afghanistan? What about the hundreds of American lives lost in a trumped up Iraqi war? Don't you think their families want answers? Romney and the republicans can't come up with anything substantial, so they're blowing up and taking advantage of what is a national tragedy for their political gains. You and your political scums are a disgrace to this country and to humanity. Crawl back under the rock from which you crawled out of. Vermin like you need to be eradicated from the human disease list.
Sofia13 - I find your entire post revolting and very unintelligent. You've basically said women shouldn't care about being made 2nd class citizens - again. That's alright with you. I certainly hope you aren't raising daughters.
spinrn - people like you give themselves away quickly in their posts. You put Feisty down but don't say anything about the nasty comments of Ceasar, White Collar Auto, Ben, and the list goes on. Your only agenda is to push the agenda of the radical right. You put anyone else down but have no problem with the crass, crude and sometimes filthy comments of the righties.
Obama/Biden 2012
Hardtostarboard, typical of the republican low information voter, this particular debate centers on economic issues. Nothing to do with foreign policy. Even if it was, Obama didn't screw up in the least. If there was a screw up it was the republicans that decided it was ok to cut the security budget so that the president has to pick and choose his fights. But don't let the lies of the right worry you. Most post here from you guys are all lies.
The so called "fire wall" is on fire and Obama has no water to put it out with. Where are his plans going "forward'? People are not going to fall for another round of empty slogans hiding trillion dollar deficits and massive debt creation. Add on top of that a President that can't seem to get his story straight on the 9/11 Benghazi terrorist attack, and it all shapes up to be a very bad Nov 6 for Mr. Obama, but a very good one for the nation. To me, the fact that he would use a cover story, concocted by the terrorist that attacked us on 9/11, as a cover to keep the truth from impacting his campaign, is particularly DISGUSTING.
Romney is trying to fool you again.
The lost revenue from the Romney 20% tax rate cuts will be made up for with increased revenue from eliminating or reducing deductions. Experts say the math doesn't add up. Defenders claim it could work if we have 4.3% growth rate. A revenue neutral tax cut will not stimulate the economy in any way.
In fact, reducing or eliminating the home mortgage interest rate deduction will hurt the recovery of the home building industry and the overall housing market.
Romney holds out the promise of reduced tax rates and many think they will pay less in taxes and are all for it. However, since it is revenue neutral, think again. It will not reduce most people's taxes. There will be winners and losers from tax code changes. Do you really think the Koch Brothers or Sheldon Adelson or Donald Trump will be among the losers? It's all smoke and mirrors, to get another tax cut for the rich through. When Reagan did this in early 80's, his budget director David Stockman later admitted the Reagan tax cuts were a Trojan horse for tax cuts for the rich since trickle down economics was unpopular at the time. Bush I called trickle down economics "Voodoo Economics" in 1980 campaign.
Don't be fooled again.
OBAMA 2012.....for a fairer and better America
NBC polls are only Left wing Democrat sales blerbs. Gallup and Rasmussen are the only accurate polls, and they show just the opposite. Face it, your socialist redistributor is getting his butt kicked from coast to coast and border to border.
Based on the polls and the momentum of each candidates, barring any unforseen events, I predict a narrow win by Obama. This article is correct in regards to NBC/WSJ being inaccurate. Obama does not have such a wide adavantage in states like Wisc., Iowa, Ohio. Lot of fighting to be had. Expect a new strategy from Romney in 3rd debate, hope Obama is ready for a New Romney, he's adaptable.
Ben numbers:
It's amazing PUHLEEEEZZZ to see how desperate the left gets in coming up with non-issues like Backhouse and Feisty. You are damn right owners of companies large and small have a right to let their employees know what lies ahead as they see it. At least they are not like the union leadership who constantly lies to its membership.
I just give them the fact checks that show Romney Ryan lying.
Obama/Biden 2012
David Walker - Yes females are absolutely amazing. But my husband actually helped in raising our son - he got the best of both worlds. Love your post!
Obama/Biden
When asked who would voters trust to take care of their kids, Obama or Romney, Obama won! But of course, that's who I would want. Obama I know I can trust. Who can trust a person that lies so much. someone who doesn't want equal pay for women is a dictator, yes dictator.
Texas-- Why didnt you just call your mom and tell her, that way we would not have to read your BS.
This is my favorite part of the day, reading the comic relief that Backdoor, Fisty, Bib in Chicago, and Circus World...err Kaybeetoys provide. They continue to spread the desperate lies of the democrat party, quoting and misquoting their lib agenda rags, hoping to sway the unintelligent to follow them down the path of stupidity. Fortunately, only the well read and intellectual vote for Gov. Romney, and they see right through the dribble and have a good laugh
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012
Well The wealthy and Romney are telling employees that if Obama is Re elected They may not have a job.
What will they tell you to do next, Listen here Roy I find your wife attractive and if you want to keep your job I want a piece of that pie.
or Listen here Mrs. Wilson if you want to keep your job I need you to service me at lunchtime.
If YOU let these people dictate to you how to VOTE then you are a slave to them and have no Morals, Tell the Wealthy to PHUK OFF I will vote for whom I choose, and guess what with the Bullchyte you trying to pull I will Vote for Pres. Obama
Obama/Biden 2012 We dont let the wealthy dictate to us
Hey aworldofhurt #1.65, People are finally seeing Romney for what he is, just another flip flopping Clown and a Liar who speaks "NO" Truths !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For the record on Benghazi attack, initial reports from Reuters news service corroborate what our intelligence knew at that time. This excerpt is from 9-12-12 Reuters report by Hadeel Al Shalchi.
Oh boy, PMSNBC has a new poll. Big deal. I know that Mitt is gaining ground and will beat obumbo by at least 5 points. You can tell by the large number of stupid comments made by the libs and they are getting more shrill each day. Keep hoping libbies, yur guy is toast!!!
Mitt by 5 to 7 points!! Hooray!!!
AND, Mitt was alot funnier than obumbo.
Sofia13 - Nice post on why you feel like you do. Now how about explaining why you feel that you have the right to impose you views on others. If we are to have a vote, why don't we just restrict it to women of child bearing age? They are the ones impacted. Granted it would be a difficult election to hold. Wait... we already have a way to do it. It is called choice.
I read this on twitter yesterday and thought it was awesome. Only republicans will cry that a Democrat president is raising the debt, but when their own candidate proposes a plan that will clearly either raise the debt so much that it will take this country into bankruptcy or force a huge tax increase, they celebrate it and say it is a good plan. The absolute facts are that the math does not work. Look it up on a reputible website (not a right wing propaganda machine) and you'll see the truth. But most right wingers won't because they don't want to know the truth. They want to hate Obama and if they learn the truth about thier candidate, they won't be able to vote for him.
We are facing an election where both individuals say "trust me" and one of them has the worst record as a President since WWII on issues of the economy. So do you consider the record or the inflated "claims"? No matter what happens in this election unless you clean out the House and Senate of incumbents the grid lock will not change. For those of you unaware enough it is the Congress that writes the bills and submits the budgets for the President to sign or veto. I like most of America am tired of the current leadership and good ole boy and girl system in the Congress. The most important issue is breaking the log jam...the President is really of no consequence at this point. We must purge the individuals who vote for legislation "to find out what is inside"...we pay them handsomely to know, read, and act in our behalf. These individuals must go for America to have a fighting chance in the next four years.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting different results. It is about the Congress not the President for the most part.
Something to consider as you vote.
Seriously? I thought HE looked kinda nervous...
Oh hell...Now I know you were smoking something. The potus looked completely relaxed and like he was enjoying himself. I would also like to correct your whole bs arrogant argument with the fact that the potus made more jokes about himself than he made about your false prophet, Romney. Romney fired one joke after another at Obama and far more against Obama than the reverse.
I'm thinking that shows character and fear. Obama was pretty confident and good natured where Romney was trying to yet again use every opportunity to campaign and is obviously worried about losing. But, Ben, you keep on smoking it.
"If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things. " Barack Obama August 28, 2008
Would you rather your tax dollars be spent to correct a night's indiscretion by an 18 year old woman. Tax money spent performing a relatively cheap and inexpensive procedure, OR... Be spent on assisting raise an unwanted child, or an abandoned child, or a child that was simply unplanned for and unloved? Sounds like we either end up with a tiny bit of dead cellular material, or an emotionally damaged person at this point. What's next? Do we continue to use our tax dollars to support this unwanted child as they grow into adulthood, become criminals, and now we have to house them at taxpayer expense because they have issues which causes them to rob banks and kill other people in the process?
Frankly, it just seems "cheaper" to fund the clinics and to keep the procedures and options open for young woman who aren't ready or willing to have children.
Seeking Sanity....well, you are wrong. I guess you didn't see that I am INDEPENDENT and UNDECIDED. And I wrote "Feisty Redhead and FRIENDS." FYI, I am independent, I look at both sides. BOTH sides are friends of mine. I did not say JUST right wing or left wing people. Geez! You are definitely the perfect example of a bully and you turn me OFF from your opinions. Credibility lost! NEXT!!
It really seems, like everything else related to the these elections, that no one is really sure how the poles work and each one is based on educated guessing to design criteria. I have no doubt the groups try but I also suspect, given the powers that weigh in from every direction on these elections, that none of them are foolproof even if some are better than others. After every debate each side swears its candidates won and each side is sure that he will bump in the poles. Of course, the debates are heavily scripted and dog-pony shows and everyone is all hyped up on analysing EVERY single non-important aspect of the debate. Obama is weighed down in minutia and Romney spouts off buzz words and waxes of the great America to come when he opens the flood gates to the barbarians who have already over run the castle and now want access to the treasure vault. This is all a joke and a huge reality show orgasm for the media (owned by large corporations) who make their money making this all as glitzy as they can. In the end, it comes down to which candidate can manipulate the half-educated, dazed, confused, three minute memory majority of this country into voting for them. Obama is probably the lesser of the two evils but you might as well all accept that little is going to get better after this, in fact, either way, between the collapsing environment and the staggering world economy, whom ever gets in will likely be fighting for the ships wheel on the Titanic with the box already under water and the lifeboats (full of the 1%) already gone. As Captain Smith said, "Thats it men, you have done your duty, its every man for himself...that's the way of it at this kind of a time". The 28 degree water is all that awaits us...and chances are none of us will live that long in it. Good luck to us all.
Romney is starting to pull away in the polls. Regardless of who believes what regarding polling bias, there has definitely been a shift. Undecided voters are getting a chance to see that Romney is not what the left and the president claim he is.
With one debate to go, focusing in on foreign policy, in which the Lybia coverup ("internet video - not terroism") will surely be brought up and Romney picking up steam in the polls, it looks like a bad time to be a democrat.
Too bad Stephanie Cutter, the President's Chief Campaign Advisor did not speak at the Fundraiser.
Could she make fun of herself?. She "IS" the detriment to Obama winning this Pres. Election.
In real life she IS funny---she doesn't "Lie" well, name calls, etc. with her twittering face, and shaky voice, eyes blinking all the time. Why doesn't Obama get rid of her? He doesn't need Cutter's amateur political statements which are abrasive, and accusations that are outrageous.
Romney's Monday night Foreign Policy debate should be quite comical, since Romney knows ZERO about Foreign Policy.
The Prez is getting stronger, Romney will look lost, again!
Seeking, I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying.
I was in no wise trying to say we need to go back to a place where women have
no vote or don’t have the equal rights of men. That would be wrong intolerable,
and absurd. If I ever found out a coworker was making more than me for the same
job I would fight that with all my effort. Women should be leaders and should
have just as much of a say in government and policies as men. What I am saying
is that I can’t support policies or practices that hurt my children. Unfortunately,
I feel that both parties have problems with this so it is more of making a
choice on which one will do the most good, while doing the least harm. I used
an extreme example to illustrate that I would do anything for my children, and
yes I have one daughter as well as a son. I want a place where my daughter can
be just as successful as my son and do anything he can do. That is why I could
never support a candidate like Akin who seems like he doesn’t care about women,
but rather puts his politics first. Abortion isn’t an issue I’m concerned about
this election, because I don’t think it will be changed, but when President
Obama has supported partial birth abortions, I’m sorry, that’s not caring about
anyone or anything other than politics. My fear is that our country right now
is putting politics first instead of thinking of the future and that will hurt
both my children. Right now we need to be focused on the economy and spending
and figure out a way to make sure our country is even viable financially when
our children grow up.
IndependentSD,
I highly doubt the result of this election will impact the ability of powerful CEO's to take advantage of employees, moot point they will do it anyway. Nice analogy though.
USA 1967,
Maybe in 1967 a black man who has succeeded so much would lose to an elitest white man, but we are a nation of progress and this is 2012! Get of the juice, stop drinking FOX kool aid and breath the free air
So much hand wringing about the shift in polls away from Obama this week. The left now poo poo's the same polls they loved a month ago when Obama was ahead. They want it both ways. Obama doesn't believe the polls and will doubl down on Big Bird and binders.
"And this is the central question: Did the intelligence community not quickly share that information with the Obama administration? (And if that's the case, why not?) Or did the administration get the intel quickly -- but chose to sit on it until it had no choice (including sending out Susan Rice to relay outdated intelligence on the Sunday shows)?"
When Obama appeared on TV show 'The View' 14 days after the attack, he was asked by Joy Bayhar if the attack in Benghazi was a terrorist attack, Obama's response was 'We're still investigating' and was unwilling to admit that it WAS a terrorist attack by an al Qaida affiliate, despite the intelligence community saying it WAS a terrorist attack one day after the attack.
Either Obama is hopelessly incompetent or he's lying to cover up the truth. How could the President not have been told the truth by his intelligence officials for 2 weeks after the attack? Obviously, he was still trying to cover up the truth before an election.
If this was tried by Bush, it would have been front page news in all the media, but we scarcely see a mention in the Liberal media for Obama.
A Republicon went to the Doctors office Biaching and complaining about paying for women's Birth control, after the examination the Republicon said hey Doc I am all out of Viagra , that is covered by my insurance isnt it. Typical Republicon Hypocrite, Womens Health Insurance Coverage for Birth Control is Bad, Mens Health Insurance Coverage for Viagra is Good
Obama/Biden 2012.......... Dont let Robme/Lyin Ryan get the Viagra to
phukyou while you cant get Birth Controllfolks, this is not really about lying any more. It is about how each side chooses to cherry pick the facts from each story to make them selves look better. This being said, while I do stare at Romney (bear in mind I lived in MA when he was governor and really kind of liked the job he did) with my jaw on the ground when he says he will cut taxes for everyone and then says at the debate that he plans to do no such thing, I am not inclined to see him as lying but more just willing to say whatever at whichever point gains him the most attention. The public does not pay attention well anyway so all he needs to do it have the right groups of dolts listening at anyone time. They are dejected as hell, as am I, but unfortunately they will be convinced easily to vote against their interests because they know no better and do not read anything of substance and have received so little in education that they cannot think critically. That is what both corporately selected candidates know. They both stretch and twist the truth saying whatever is expedient at the time and what their daily briefs tell them they should hit on. No, I liked Romney in MA, he seemed to me like a decent guy who knew what he stood for. But I cannot vote for him now. And honestly, Republicans are going to vote for him because they cannot consider a democrat no matter what. But if they could step back and look at the fact this man has changed his view on everything, something several times, they would have a hard time taking him seriously. They might still vote for him but they would still only be doing it to keep Obama out. I used to be that way. I always voted Republican through the 2000 elections. But it all started to seem weird. No longer was I willing to vote for whatever stooge was put on stage JUST to keep Gore out. Then I started to read. Not ground up baby food like Hannity, Limbaugh and Coulter books...no, I started to read. Learning about the whole system and the whole way all of this goes down. I am not a fan of Obama but he is the less of two evils from the same system. At least I can count on some sort of stability and direction from Obama even if it is not as good as it could be. Romney...dear lord...I don't know what he stands for and when he stands in his boxers and socks in the early hours of the morning and looks in the mirror as he is getting ready for another day...he doesn't know what the hell he stands for either any more. There is a part of me that pities him a little. At one point I think he did stand for something, much like the man I looked at as somewhat honorable before he too completely rolled over. John McCain. They used to stand for something. Now they stand for whatever they are told to.
The exit is coming for Obama... This guy totally sucks, he was totally over his head and Bill Clinton ripped him a new butthole yesterday.
Romney finished him off last night at the Alfred E Smith dinner...
ANY incumbant with these numbers so close to the election will lose. It's pretty simple fact.
Romney by a landslide.
bigdogg:
And what was Obama's experience on Foreign Policy, when elected to become the United States President in 2009?
Ask yourself, again.
Jody, there will be no apology. I agree, it shows a great deal but it is how it works. Consider the fact that Obama has been called a socialist since before he even got in office. You can hate his policies and everything he does but calling him a socialist is offensive to a socialist. Not that I care personally either way on the socialist thing. I don't care for the idea that much but I also have shed the force fed idea that communists and socialists are the devil in disguise coming for us in the night. What I do care about is that for years now morons have been outright wrong saying Obama is a socialist. Nothing he has done is in anyway socialist as socialism is defined. What his health care plan? good god. That is a private interest bonanza. As I say, its not about lies, its about distortion and cherry picking only the facts that work. Romney's son lives in a bubble. He hears what he hears and probably does think that Obama telling him "not true" is calling him a liar. He of course never stopped to really look at the WHOLE story on (for instance) drilling contracts and consessions or he would know that the argument was false on both sides or charitably it simply was one person talking about one part of a subject and the other talking about a nother. In reality, drilling and permits are actually up under Obama despite his reallocation of the leases not being used. Mitt's son does not know the difference and does not want to. That would mean looking critically at all of this...and that is not what any of this is about for either side.
Benghazi shouts Romney and the NeoCons
The voting public says what about your plans for job creation, How do you create 12 million jobs? Benghazi he shout backs, The voters say , are you for equal pay for Women? Benghazi he shouts again, did you take the Amnesty for Tax Evasion the Voters asked, BENGHAZI he shouts back. Mitt Romney you are not Qualified to run this Great Nation, you should go look into a Summer Home in....... Benghazi
I love coming over here to the Left wing hornets nest and watching you all crapping cinderblocks. Your boy is going down... it's so clear.
Haha! You will have Mitt Romney in your living rooms for 8 LOOOOOOONG years...
But don't worry, I'm sure the press (TMZ, Jon Stewart) will still show you plenty of Obama.... Stuff like his Indoniesian passport, College transcrips with Cs and Bs and foreign financial aid applications. And there is also no way this lame president wont get caugh smok'n some weed. I also bet he will be in some serious crap in the 8 years, like cheating on his wife with a good looking chick rather than that beast of a woman he is with now. Hell he'll probaly have some sort of meltdown in front of The Viper Room. I bet this clown goes out and buys a Purple Bentley.
ToxicChemist
So Romney wants to talk about Libya. Would that be because it worked so well for him in the second debate?
Avenger: The "cell phone" myth was debunked a long time ago.....you might want to check Snopes or Factcheck before you start spouting off things that are incorrect. It only goes to show your lack of intelligence and research abilities.
"Only a Democrat could prevent a depression, end a war, get bin Laden and double the Dow, then be told he can't run on his record."
Talk about a 'spin'.
Some people would say we're still in a 'Depression' after almost 4 years under Obama.
The only war ended recently was in Iraq, where Bush negotiated the end before he left office. Obama tried to delay the withdrawal of our troops, but Iraq said 'No, we'll stick with the end we negotiated with Bush'. (a)
The Intelligence community and Seal Team 6 got bin Laden - all Obama did was say 'OK' to the raid - imagine the fallout if he had said NO.
The Dow is still below its peak under Bush.
Obama correctly said in 2008 "If you don't have a record to run on, you make a big deal about little things'. That's obviously his strategy now with his 'Class Warfare' and so-called 'War on Women', making a big deal about having the a relatively small number of women pay $8 per month for birth control pills while ignoring the average $5,000 per year decline in average family income and the average extra cost of about $2,500 per year in gasoline costs since Obama took office, or the huge increase in food costs, or the average $2,000+ INCREASE in health care costs under Obama - thanks to new mandates from Obamacare.
(a) - Interestingly, I made an analysis of American war deaths over the last 100 years (during which time the Democrats and Republicans controlled the Presidency roughly equally), and over 96% of war deaths occurred under Democratic Presidents. Perhaps Republican Presidents are just more realistic about foreign policy and are better able to PREVENT wars.
ir12, I’m not trying to convince anyone to change their view or convince them that my views are correct. I’m just tired of people saying that I don’t have my “best interests” at heart as a woman if I don’t vote for
President Obama. I’m just trying to show that my experiences have led me to maybe different “best interests” than the ones I am told that I should have by many posters. I think it is much more helpful to try and see where others are coming from on these forums, than to try to attack others or convince others to come to their side because no one is convincing anyone of anything here. If there was a little more understanding of each other, I think that more compromises could happen that could move the country forward. I think it’s important to remember that this country was founded due to compromises because wise people saw where others were coming from and did what was best for all. If people don’t try to see how others feel or where they are coming from nothing will ever get done.
Hey Outhouse
Guess big business is people too. These aren't threats there are probably facts. Obama in benefits out. Don't worry big brother will protect your job. Yeah right as the coal miners in W Virginia or the Oil workers in Louisianna. I'm sure they'll over for him. Dream on.
Ron from Indiana, Women don't need you to tell them what they care about, they can decide for themselves.
Well, the 'opera ain't over til the fat lady sings' comes to mind here. The Obama supporters are afraid of change for the better, they like the rut they've been given and are going to decorate it using welfare money.
Sofia: You have to understand that what you are attempting to communicate with are those who are of the 'my way or the highway' mindset. They will demonize you, twist your words, attempt to put words in your mouth, all because you don't support their candidate. They are a rather pathetic lot, very insecure and fearful. Vote your conscience, get the facts first and ignore anyone who is telling you what to think or how to act. They have an agenda and it isn't one that is good for the country.
All I see out of the Dems today is useless vitriol and sniping.
Examples of good liberal robots with blinders on.
Roy, unfortunately Obama is both beyond incompetent and lies like a Persian rug, the combination of which makes for a dangerously delusional and unstable President who never should have been one. Psych tests would have prevented this master of disaster from becoming one.
He won't be in Oval Office for much longer.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LIKELY VOTERS
Romney
52%
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Obama
45%
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7-day rolling average
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx
Gallup poll seems like an outlier to me, Rasmussen historically the most accurate) shows a one pont race. FOX this morning reported Obama is well ahead in Nevada and Nevada has picked the winner in the last 8 POTUS elections. Because of early voting, Democrats are taking busloads of voters to the polls--something Republicans are not doing, maybe they can't reach voters on their Obamaphones--and the blatant military vote suppression in Ohio, indeed throughout the country, Romney's Ohio chances are slim. Obama Admn refused to implement the MVPP (Military Voter Protection Project). In fact they made it more difficult for deployed military and their familes to vote since it was passed in 2009.
But hey the only poll that matters is the Nov. 6th one. If voters want higher middle class taxes and penalties, stagflation to come, more debt, a weak small business climate and a nuclear Iran they'll vote for Obama. It is what it is.
#1.1 & #1.58- All you folks who are going to vote the Republican ticket should already be aware that if you EARN less than $250,000/yr (Earned income) that your families better interests are NOT being served by those you vote for:
Vote for Romney/Ryan Because the Plutocracy matters!
It's the Plutonomy as exemplified by Romney's entire career:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/04/789523/-Citigroup-s-Shocking-Plutonomy-Reports-h-t-Michael-Moore
I would submit that a Romney/Ryan administration would love nothing more than to be the leaders of the most capitalist-friendly country with its' "rich consumers".
don't carry it all,GREAT LINK.THANK YOU!!!
Feisty,HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY!!!!!!
Obama/Biden 2012 Romney, A complete 1040!!!
The choice is clear if you want a Voucher and have to pay an additional $8,000.00 a year for medical coverage, and you want social security to be privatized so that the hedge fund guys can take 2% of your money quarterly vote for Robme/ Lyin Ryan
If you want peace and prosperity vote Obama/Biden 2012, We are out of the ditch now lets bring the car home
Is this going to help Obama with women?
Translation;
Stop your bitching and be thankful Obama wants to give you a handout. Now go vote.
Hello Brandon in Tulsa and thanks for the uplifting thoughts regarding our "wonderful" State of Oklahoma.
Oh, it's worse than you imagine Brandon. I'm a registered Independent. I always have been and always will be. Which means that I don't get to vote in the primary at all. And when I vote in the general election for President I'm usually on the losing side which means my vote doesn't count.
In our "wonderful" State of Oklahoma, primaries are closed and electors votes are winner take all which means I am doubly disenfranchised. I have a Constitution right to vote. My one man/one vote Constitutional right is abridged in Oklahoma and therefore unconstitutional on the face of it. If I had the money I would fight it all the way to the Supreme Court. But I don't, so I endure.
In 2000 I voted for the winner. I voted for Gore. He won the popular vote. If there had been a proportional distribution of Electors he would have been the President, not Bush. But, like other Oklahomans who voted for the former Vice President, our votes were not counted. Bush won the state and therefore won all the electors and those of us who voted for Gore were disenfranchised.
How does it feel?
Well, how would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot? And, as these things go, some day it will be. Oklahoma City is a boom-town. Our economy is very good. We are attracting bright young professionals from all over the country and many of them are Democrats. The electorate is changing. The Hispanic community is growing faster than any other group in Oklahoma and the GOP has done such a wonderful job of alienating them I believe the Hispanic community will be voting Democrat for a long, long time to come.
I was born and raised in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Did you know that as late as the 1960's it was known nationally as "the most segregated city in America?" It's true. Did you know it was the scene of the most destructive race riot in US history prior to the Watts riot in the late 1960's? That's true as well. And did you know that the city fathers (and mothers) tried very hard to erase all memory of that riot from history? True again. How does that make YOU feel?
So, enjoy your majority for the time-being. This was once a Democrat state. It will be again.
Have a nice weekend.
Obama/Biden 2012
A firewall. Do we have a firewall around the economy. They had to halt trading on Google yesterday. The market is heading south today on poor earnings. i know the hatred against Wall Street that abounds, but do you not care about pension funds and retirement accounts ?
Why is it that when Romney is up in some pole The stock Market goes into the negative, not occasionally just google back awhile and notice everytime something is said or done about Romney the Markets go DOWN, That my friends are an indicator of thing to come
Good God, what did all the FOX "News" trolls finally get out of bed this afternoon? Sheesh!
Troll AWAY!
Read this article from Thomas Sowell before you even consider to vote this November. Forward it to all that you know:
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If Obama wins, "then the fate of America -- and of Western nations, including Israel -- will be left in the hands of a man with a lifelong hostility to Western values and Western interests.
President Obama is such a genial man that many people, across the ideological space, cannot see him as a danger.
For every hundred people who can see his geniality, probably only a handful see the grave danger his warped policies and ruthless tactics pose to a whole way of life that has given generation after generation of Americans unprecedented freedom and prosperity.
The election next November will not be just another election, and the stakes add up to far more than the sum of the individual issues. Moreover, if reelected and facing no future election, whatever political constraints may have limited how far Obama would push his radical agenda will be gone.
He would have the closest thing to a blank check. Nothing could stop him but impeachment or a military coup, and both are very unlikely. A genial corrupter is all the more dangerous for being genial.
In addition to all the other things that is wrong with a romney-hood presidency, add yet another thing...
NEPOTISM!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/does-mitt-romney-law-problem-124550198--abc-news-topstories.html
How can some polls have Obama ahead? Where are they taking the polls, the inner city areas of each state? What the hell are people thinking? Romney should be up at least by 75% to Obama's 25%. What is it the people like about Obama's record anyway?...
Over 8% unemployment for a record 43 months in a row? It's now said to be 7.8%, which still stinks.
Over $16 trillion in debt and counting? He increased it five trillion rather than reduce it five trillion as promised.
Over 14% unemployment for blacks?
Anemic economic growth?
No budget for the past three years as required by the Constitution?
A healthcare plan that will cost over three times what they said it would, was opposed by over 60
% of the population, sucks $700,000,000 out of Medicare to help pay for it, and wasn't even read by any member of Congress that voted for it? How could you vote for a bill you haven't even read?
Solyndra FAIL and cover-up (or at least no due diligence) that cost taxpayers over half a billion dollars?
FAILURE to protect our embassy in Libya resulting in the deaths of four Americans, and the cover-up afterward.
Fast and Furious FAILURE, resulting in the death of a boarder control officer and the cover-up by the Obama administration. Holder held in contempt of Congress.
This presidency is a failure and it is time for Americans to realize it and vote for a man that is highly qualified to lead us out of it, Mitt Romney.
Is this "Change you can believe in"? No thanks. PLEASE help us and do what is right. Vote Obama out.
Hardtostarboard, typical of the republican low information voter, this particular debate centers on economic issues. Nothing to do with foreign policy. Even if it was, Obama didn't screw up in the least. If there was a screw up it was the republicans that decided it was ok to cut the security budget so that the president has to pick and choose his fights.
John in Battle Creek, REALLY!!! Maybe better look at that debate topic again. Who are you calling a "low information voter". As for your contention that the budget was cut by republicans, what about the senate democrats who agreed with cutting the security budget??? Do they get a pass because they're democrats? Despite that, if an ambassador asks for more security, multiple times, why would you ignore that? I look forward to your acknoledgement that you are a democrat low information voter. Just as likely to happen as Obama winning re-election, pigs flying, and Big Foot showing up on The View.
The lies will be adjusted to what they want you to think in the given moment!
@Jack in Portsmouth, where are you? I posted in Crazy Read yesterday to address you and ask you a question.
Anyway, yes, more advertising reported. Good news is if you only vote for one party, your vote won't matter for this election. It will be decided by thinkers. Non-thinking one party voters have been taken for granted by their favorite politicians, already.
Is it an in thing to use terms like 'Firewall' now? When 'Wall' would have been just fine? Gotta get us to read the news somehow, I suppose. But then, why stop at Firewall? Why not call it something really super crazy and that would get people to read like 'Tsunamiwall?' Then you could make up a new term and be all the talk around the internet at the same time!
Sophia, you say that more than anything else, you care about your children and their future.
Then take a close look at what Romney would do to public education in the U.S. He believes we should cut back on the number of public school teachers. He doesn't concern himself with American kids from middle class families being able to go on to college either. A private college now costs more a year than most middle class families earn. Even public colleges are beyond the financial reach of many students.
President Obama has increased the number of grants--money that does not have to be repaid-- for college students and also given parents a tax deduction for college tuition. His programs partner community colleges with local businesses to train and then hire their students.
As for your children's health, Obamacare makes it possible to obtain health insurance even if your child has a chronic or pre-existing condition. Insurance companies cannot deny coverage after a certain amount has been spent, either. So if, heaven forbid, your child were diagnosed with leukemia and needed an expensive procedure like a bone-marrow transplant, he could get it. You would not have to go bankrupt to keep your child alive.
As for your own health, what if you don't want or can't afford any more kids? Obamacare mandates contraceptive coverage for health insurance policies. You won't have to die from an ectopic pregnancy or breast cancer and leave your children motherless. Your health can be protected so you can continue to raise your kids.
If you or your husband becomes disabled, you can get social security to help keep you financially solvent. Romney wants to do away with social security...don't believe him when he tells you otherwise. Romney will say anything to win this election. Pay attention to what he has said and done over the entire course of this campaign, not just what he says in the debates.
Romney is not for the middle class...he is an elitist, focused on big business, offshore tax havens, monied special interest groups, anyone that can help him buy himself a place in history.
Take a very close look at which candidate has a vision for the future, for the middle class; and which candidate merely cares about his own future.
VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN
I wonder how much they paid him to write that useless, nonsensical right wing clap trap?
More than you earn, you Romney supporters. Bet on it.
It always amuses me that some people are so pathetically desperate for Romney to win, that they will stand there and lie to you.
There are 4.3 million people on welfare, not 47 million. I accuse you of lying due to the fact that it only took me 5 seconds to find that out. If it's that easy, then it means you lied deliberately.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/
Beverly, what do you mean how do I account for the other polls? They are what they are...typical polls that bend slightly more to the left than actual election-day results. You see that nearly every election season.
Apparently you didn't have the attention span to make it down one more line on your own graph to the line that says 46.7 million people are on food stamps. At worst Ben can only be accused of a semantics violation in using the word "on welfare" instead of saying "getting government hand-outs".
So Fox News is where you heard this disgusting lie that the Democrats are trying to "suppress" military votes. Figures. The Democrats have done no such thing. The truth is that the Republican-controlled Ohio state legislature TOOK AWAY early voting days for ordinary citizens that had been in effect for the past several elections, but left those early voting days for the military because they know that military tend to vote Republican. It was the Republicans who attempted voter suppression but they failed in Ohio as they have in several other cases around the country where their assault on democracy has been halted or at least slowed.
I've got no problem with military service members enjoying special privileges such as getting to board airplanes before the rest of the passengers, but voting is a right, not a privilege, and other citizens should have the same rights to vote as members of the military. That's exactly how the courts ruled in the Ohio case.
Obama firewall is the American press they have there heads so far up this guys ass it's unbelievable,people are starving 23 million people out of work and 47 million on food stamps and there still pushing obama crap that's why i don't watch abc cbs or nbc news
Ron Indiana
Women's Issues:
Very touching, Ron.
Didn’t she know that Jeff Immelt, CEO of GE and Chairman of Barrack Husseins President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, AKA the “Job Czar”, has referred to China as GE's "second home market"?
Have we heard about GE touting themselves as champions of the factory worker? Of course we have. GE has also recently closed more than 20 factories, shifted avionics and radiology businesses to China according to Reuters, and pushed for public policies that will allow them to continue that course. GE is self-identifying "core" manufacturing interests, as though its other manufacturing interests simply vanished from the books. The truth is, they closed many of those plants here in America. According to GE's own records and statements, it had 125,000 U.S. manufacturing jobs in 2000 compared to 50,000 in 2010. Isn’t GE’s CEO, Jeff Immelt, at the head of the Economic Advisory Board? The “Jobs Czar” for the Obama administration? Government records show at least 38 events since 2001 in which workers at GE plants in the U.S. were made eligible for trade adjustment assistance due to outsourcing or import competition.
If you’d like I’ll also educate you about Apple and GM’s monumental outsourcing that’s been going on for decades.
Hmmmm, didn’t this lady know that according to a report published by the Washington Free Beacon in April, the 2011 annual report on Barrack Husseins White House staffers revealed that the median annual salary for female White House employees was 18% less than male employees — $60,000 compared with $71,000.
Didn’t this lady know that during the 2008 campaign, columnist Deroy Murdock wrote that female staffers in Obama's U.S. Senate office were also shortchanged. "Obama's average male employee earned $54,397," Murdock inferred from Senate salary records. But the future president's "30 female employees earned $45,152, on average."
Didn’t this lady know about a report in the Washington Free Beacon that revealed that women working for Senate Democrats in 2011 had an average salary of $60,877, whereas male staffers made about $6,500 more?
Nanny Piglosi chose not to condemn the Democratic senators, claiming that it is “another world.”
Didn’t this lady know that the 41% of Americans who now identify themselves as "pro-choice" is down from 47% last July and is one percentage point below the previous record low in Gallup trends, recorded in May 2009? Fifty percent now call themselves "pro-life," one point shy of the record high, also from May 2009.
Doesn’t this lady know that the little limp-wristed Liberals are such hypocrites and liars?
Barrack Husseins “Job Czar”, Jeff Immelt, outsources more jobs than Romney ever could
Barrack Hussein, Nanny Piglosi and Democrats pay their female staff less than similar male staff.
More Americans are realizing that life does begin at conception and abortion is murder. The most heinous murder. Funny how Liberals will advocate less punishment and greater freedom for Death Row rapists and murderers but will sit by idly as millions of babies are brutally slaughtered in their own mothers womb for a crime they never committed.
BTW, Ron, if you “Pro-Choicers” are so supportive of Planned Parenthood, you can just donate more to them to support your ideology. You’ve donated millions to Barrack Husseins campaign, you can just donate that money to Planned Parenthood.
It must be so difficult for Liberals living in denial, envy and hypocrisy your whole life.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©
Reality check:
CNN publishes an article about 2012 health care expenses going up by 4%. Thank you (for taking more out of my wallet) Obamacare!
Like this one?
Alan 3008
Thomas Sowell also compared Obama to Hitler and has called for the elimination of the minimum wage. His intellect led him to be a Communist in the 1960's and it has led him to be a libertarian in later life. I often wonder how someone can change their views so completely. People I have known who have done this suffered from what I'll call "tunnel vision". They are so focused on their own set of beliefs that they completely lose the perspective you get from seeing the world around you.
Sowell's critics have accused him of ignoring alternate explanations for what he writes about. My conclusion is "don't trust this man's judgment as he is close-minded." But, I suppose he fits many righties current mindset. Facts don't matter when you can make up your own.
The government spent approximately $1.03 trillion on 83 means-tested federal welfare programs in fiscal year 2011 alone — a price tag that makes welfare that year the government’s largest expenditure, according to new data released by the Republican side of the Senate Budget Committee.
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Ir12,You mean the subject where the president failed to call the terrorist attack a terrorist attack?? Even though everyone understood it was a terrorist attack...American embassador killed on 9/11....And then the president needed Candy Crowley to save him by incorrectly agreeing with him ath the second debate?????
Remember, Rice went on all the Sunday talk shows saying how it wasn't a terrorist attack??
The President knew that it was a terrorist attack and the President told Romney at the debate that he told the American people that at the rose garden speech on Sept. 12. The President has yet to say why he and his administration kept telling a different story about the atack over a period of 14 days after the attack. I saw the UN ambasador on TV, officially announce that the attack was not a terrorist attack but the result of a spontaneous protest regarding a utube video. Apparently everyone in Libya walks around armed with either an RPG launcher, an automatic weapon, or is part of a morter crew.
Wake up! Romney and Obama are related to each other (look it up). They are also related the Bush's! The blue bloods have always run this world.
This is so rich from so many libs on this blog with regard to Romney. CLINTON was the MOST FINANCIALLY DESTRUCTIVE PRESIDENT IN U.S. HISTORY:
A) HE, no one else, with the assist of his Goldman Sachs and Wall Street buddies - Robert Rubin, Lawrence Sommers, Timothy Geithner, et. al., and Alan Greenspan (FED) (and some of these people where brought back by OBAMA to his administration!) - repealed the Glass-Steagall Act of 1934 which kept Commercial Banking, Investing Banking, and Insurance separate; and with this repeal led to the meltdown of TRILLIONS of dollars of speculative non-oversight investments by banks and financial institutions.
B) HE, no one else, and despite warnings from many councils of economists, industry groups and labor unions truly opened the flood gates on free trade towards LABOR-SINKHOLES economies such as China with NO labor- and product-return to capital, value-added safeguards to protect key industries and sectors in the U.S., as other countries do, such as even the Europeans when drafting similar treaties. In the process HE is the one who set the stage for true syphoning out the manufacturing/industrial base of our country!
C) HE, along with the usual suspects above (and again the same people brought back by OBAMA to work for him) purposely undermined his own chief regulator on market derivatives, Brooksley E. Born, Chief of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, by preventing her, through their insistence, in taking action on regulating the emerging subprime derivatives market which she rightfully predicted will lead to a major world disaster. (Duh ... does anyone remember the crash of '08?). Anyway, such lack of deregulation led to a market of 800 to 900 Trillion (with a T) of mostly toxic derivatives. (How much were Bush's hare-brain adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan cost? ... 1, 2 Trillion?).
CLINTON IS BY FAR THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE FINANCIAL PRESIDENT and OBAMA has taken most of these people in! Romney was no wheres on the radar screen in the decision making of any of the above.
Ben-636050,
I was also taught to respect every individuals religious beliefs. It's called religious freedom with tolerance. It's within the Constitution, my friend. Everyone has the right to believe life begins at conception. But in a country under the Constitution, no citizen has the right to impose their religious beliefs on others opposed to those beliefs. And no Coporation has the right to proclaim citizenship for declaring refusal of business obligations based upon opposition to an employee's religion. This is what happens when Church runs the State. In America, there is freedom of speech and freedom of religion for it's citizens. But there is no freedom to impose your beliefs upon others and restrictions of their speech. Therefore, your respectable position on conception is heard. But your opinion carries with it no right to impose on others against their will. And it is your inability to recognize such which sickens me......
Romney flip flops back and forth trying to say everything the middle class wants to hear, even though he has a underlying agenda once he would enter office.(not)
Romney’s tune has changed from his earlier campaigning. Now he will say anything true or false to further his obvious desperation, satisfy his puppet masters.
Starting with the Kock Bros. who feel you are just a number, don’t deserve a decent living.
Next.. Romney belongs to a little Boy Scout club with Grover Norquist as the pivot man in a circle jerk with signed pledges to never raise tax’s on the filthy rich. Oh Yea, we are all for it. (not).
ToxicChemist - The problem with your theory is you would have to know what the intelligence community was telling the government. You do not have that information. Unfortunately, neither does Romney or Fox News. While facts are still being gathered and someone starts a statement with... The best information we have at this time is...., it should be a clue that we do not have all the facts yet. Romney's problem is he started shooting off his mouth without having any of the facts. Add to that his 47% video speech where he said he would take advantage of a situation like this, it becomes clear that he was trying to use this incident where 4 Americans were killed for political gains. Romney made many statements when he had no facts to back them up. To this day, it appears that the protest in Egypt was the catalyst for the attack, even thou there was no prior demonstration. If in fact this is true, it would make every statement put out by the Government true. Obama has sent Romney a message... Please proceed to Boca Raton Governor.
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Where's the apology, Mitt, Ann, Tagg and brother Romneys? Tagg Romney felt it was perfectly acceptable to state on radio that he wanted take a swing at President Obama for calling his dad a liar even though "not true" is not the same as "you're a liar".
Tagg Romney, how dare you show such contempt and disdain for the President of the United States? Are you such an arrogant, spoiled, little twit that you believe you can say publically that you wanted to take a swing at the President of the United States, make a threatening comment and no one will challenge you? It seems the apple did not fall far from the tree--Tagg Romney is a bully just like his father Mitt. Wonder how many long-haired boys Tagg and his brothers held down and cut their hair to humiliate.
Where was the apology from Ann Romney on The View yesterday? Where was the apology from one of Tagg's brothers in the audience of The View yesterday? Where was the apology from the Romney campaign? Where was the apology from Mitt Romney? Where was the apology from Tagg Romney?
If any of the Obama team members had said publically they wanted to take a swing at Mitt Romney, FOX, Limbaugh and the GOPers would have gone ballistic. But it is just a joke when Tagg Romney makes a public comment threatening physical harm to the President of the United States.
"Perhaps too much of everything is as bad as too little." Edna Ferber, 1885-1968. These words fit the Romney Family perfectly: their arrogance, disrespect, disdain, contempt for others especially President Obama has been visible throughout this campaign; it was emphasized by Taggert Romney this week.
Have a great weekend!
If someone stepped in front of my father and called him a liar, I'd show them more than disdain. This administration needs to apologize for running the most despicable campaign in history. Obama deserves no respect.
Ben lotsanumbers:
Mitt Romney IS a liar. Millions of citizens know it. Only the willfully ignorant refuse to deal with that fact.
jody -- you guys sure have a thin skin. rather amusing, must be part of the obama mentality.
Ben-636050
I don't know about that, it seems to be on par with every other campaign in history. Same stuff happens worldwide.
Jody,
Can you imagine the OUTCRY if the roles were reversed?
If the RWNJ's didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have ANY at ALL!
@David -- It's a non-issue. It's not working. War against women is a non-issue and it is not working. Your side has nothing NOTHING. You look grade schoolish when you start crying to the teacher He Lied, He Cheated. Boo Hoo Hoo. Cry baby president, cry baby president lackeys and cry baby president supporters. Fight on the president's record you cowards.
Okay Ben, you're right everything wrong with the world is the fault of President Obama. Do you ever get tired of being an insignificant right wing parrot. No respect? Really? Lay off the crazy and then you might actually be worth listening to. You and most of the regular "republican" posters here are absolutlely worthless in any sort of resonable discussion about current issues. It is so disappointing to see so many children trying to participate in adult decisions.
If you love this Country and have any skin in the game then it is very hard to show this Administration any respect. It is deplorable what Obama has done to this Nation and to future generation of Americans.
I respect the Office. I do not respect the man.
Ben lotsanumbers:
I sincerely hope that you do not have children. However, if you do, have you taught them that lying is a non-issue? Have you taught them that the state has the right to deny a woman control of her own body?
President Obama's record has been out there for almost four years. In a nutshell, the economy is recovering. There's much more he has done, but since money is the sole concern of the right-wingers like yourself, that's enough.
Ben --
@Dan -- Thank you for summing up and admitting to the truth in your first sentence. The rest of your post shows how little you know about me.
@David -- My children are raised, on their own and successful. Their mother and I taught them to stand up for themselves and not blame others. To take responsibility and not blame others. Along with God, we also taught them that life begins at conception and no one and I mean NO ONE has a right to destroy that life and call it control of one's body. That argument from the left sickens me and I pray for the lives of the aborted unborn children that were destroyed because of someone convenience. The only person I wished did not have children was Anne Dunham.
Only someone that has no idea or is lying using "dead cat bounce" figures know that this economy is not sustainable. The much more to be done from this administration scares me and I will fight as hard as I can to stop the damage Obama is causing to this country.
To the right-wing yahoos, if anyone on President Obama's campaign had said they wanted to take a swing at Mitt Romney, I would expect an apology from them and it would already have been given. I have ZERO respect for Mitt Romney and his clan of cowards and bullies but I still would expect an apology if anyone from the Obama capaign had made a similar remark. Has nothing to do with thin skin, and everything to do with common courtesy, simple respect of one another. Only the conservatively impaired claim otherwise--see rukidding and Ben for proof.
Ben, Romney doesn't tell the truth, that' makes him a liar. I love how republicans play the 'liar' card; but, never question the fact that Romney takes 10 sides of every issue. Or they accuse the dems of playing the race card--while calling Obama 'the Kenyan' or picturing him as a witch doctor or talking about "Moochelle's big lips". A liar is a liar and a racist is a racist and that's not a game to play.
Lawrence O knocked it out of the park last evening.....
Tagg Romney, you are as big a coward as your daddy and grand daddy!....Betcha' you wouldn't say that to anybody.....and you certainly should not have threatened the President!...Mitt Romney is a LIAR!
@Sue -- You guys go ahead and keep playing the liar, cheater, race, binder card in this race. Please make them your number one issues. Go ahead and say screw the failed economy, failed jobs, deficit, debt, failed foreign policy. You have "dogs that don't hunt" and by all means let them run loose. You can cry later.
Ben
Well spoken post sir.
Yes, but he's gotta have Ohio. It's the key to the kingdom. Mitt's gonna want it bad. I'm expecting nefariousness from them, if it isn't already happening.
Romney can run, but he can't hide from his job creator record as Governor of Massachusetts.
His record on wage growth in Massachusetts was mediocre. And he hit workers with the bulk of the fee increases he used to balance the budget there. According to Mass Budget and Policy Center 9-3-06 report:
The rich got a free ride in Massachusetts when it came to balancing the budget there. Working people were hit hard with increased fees. And job growth there was among the worst in the entire country. This illustrates that top down growth does not work. Increasing consumer spending is the key to job growth. Don't be fooled again by the trickle down folks. It doen't work and never has. It has only increased investment money to a level our economy cannot efficiently absorb. We need more money in the hands of workers (consumer) and less in the hands of investors for good growth. Top 1% now earn 24% of our nation's annual income up from 10% in 1980. The share of investment money has increased 240% while the share of income of the 99% has gone down 15%.
Just imagine what 10% more income for workers would do to this economy. We would have exploding growth with sales increases approaching 10%. Instead, we have investors sitting on piles of money waiting for sales to increase.
Trickle down is a scam. Romney believes that trickle down works (and it did for him, but not for us).
Obama 2012....for a better, fairer future.
What a well reasoned and articulate response Ben...You sure proved me wrong. Sure I know you and probably better than you or your family. I see and read the comments you make daily,weekly, monthly and it all adds up to the same nonsense talking points day in and day out. You are a worthless hack.
Pfft .. Ben #s, your father is a liar, your mother wears Army boots. Show me the knuckle sandwich!!
Ben lotsanumbers:
Was there something confusing about my question? Many people, apparently you among them, consider Romney to be successful. Romney is a liar. You say your children are on their own and successful.
Let's try this again. Did you tell your successful children that lying is a non-issue?
Further, it is an indisputable fact that life DOES NOT begin at conception. Both spermatazoa and ova are living cells - they are life forms. When the two meet, another life form is created - a zygote. Don't butcher scientific fact to justify your intrusion into the private life of another human being.
OHIO, OHIO, OHIO!!! WILLARD HAS LOST, LOST LOST, LOST!!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Jody, so glad you made these points.
Under 18 USC Sec. 871 --
Aside from the disrespect involved, the physical threat to the U.S. President:
"to inflict bodily harm... or knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the President... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both."
Romney feels entitled to do as he pleases (tax returns), and his sons have taken his cue.
@Red -- Sorry they have both passed. Dad in 1993 and mom in 2005. But I do appreciate the humor.
@David -- Just because you say something is a lie doesn't make it so. Just because you say something is indisputable doesn't make it so. What you interpret as a lie and can be backed up with "your" facts can be claimed to be a fact backed up by other facts by the other side so get off your high horse. Go in any courtroom and you will see this everyday. The judge would not let one side or the other call another a liar. The judge now is the American public and in the court of public opinion calling someone a liar rather than stating their case as part of the facts is a looser in their eyes. Mark my words.
God will be the final judge as to who has the right to kill the unborn. I suggest you get the sun screen ready.
Of course we taught our children not to lie but we also taught them respect not to call another a liar but to stand up for themselves. Only a coward who deserves no respect calls another a liar. Am I clear now?
Ben lotsanumbers wrote:
And what do you call someone who ignores the lies of a liar? Ignorant? Fox News?
Mitt Romney's contention that he will make his tax cuts revenue neutral is a lie. That he is pro-choice with respect to the abortion issue is a lie. Video clips and simple arithmetic provide indisputable evidence that he is a liar.
Using a god whose existence you cannot prove to justify imposing your will on another human being is indefensible. If you choose to define your god and pretend you know the mind of this being, I would refer you to Genesis and the fate of Adam and Eve. Judge not. Leave that to your god.
This is happening right now in Obama's America!
Median household income in America, down by 8.2%, since 2009.
2.3% fewer American working today, then when Obama became president.
19.9%, of all female veterans cannot find a job!
Fewer women working today, then when Obama became president!
The price of a gallon of gas has doubled under Obama!
Obama and the EPA, has reduced permits for licensing to drill for oil on Federal lands by 17%.
12.1 million Americans are unemployed!
10.9 million Americans have given up looking for a job, or they can only find part-time work!
16% of all Black Americans are unemployed.
9.9% of all Hispanic Americans are unemployed.
True U-6, unemployment, is 14.7%, in America today!
1 in 6 Americans live in poverty!
48 million Americans receive food stamps.
Obama has added 5.6 trillion dollars in debt, to the US deficit! More then any US president, in American history!
Obama adds almost 4 billion a day, in new debt, to the US deficit.
51% of all college grads cannot find work!
Obama and fellow Democrats have not passed a budget in four years! Violating US law.
Obama gave backdoor amnesty ot illegal aliens, violating US Immigration law.
3.6 million more Americans are collecting SSDI,then when Obama became president, they cannot find work!
Amb. Stevens died, and Obama lied!
Yes, it is the economy stupid!
Romney Ryan 2012, and beyond!
Politicians are liars. If they told us the truth we'd never vote for them because we can't handle the truth. Calling the other politican a liar is like calling the prostitue you didn't pick a loose woman (while thinking the one you did pick truly loves you) I have respect for the hooker and the politician - at least they know that they're selling.
No.
All you have given us is your opinion, to which you are entitled. What you are not entitled to is to dictate our opinion. Or our religion. Or our morals.
Ben lotsofnumbers...................Oh nothing.......just when David Walker writes....Ben lotsofnumbers...I laugh my ass off! Thanks David....great comments everytime.
Risk1 -- Thanks for reminding us what a disastrous mess the Republicans left this country in. It's sad that they oversaw the theft of the middle classes wealth. It's sad that they insist on making laws that LOWER wages. It's sad that people have had to take assistance because Republican policies favor the rich.
Who would vote for a Republican ever again after all that? Not me.
1. Obama lies and Romney lies - POLITICIANS LIE
2. Lilly Ledbetter Act - The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 is a federal statute in the United States that was the first bill signed into law by President Barack Obama on January 29, 2009. The Act amends the Civil Rights Act of 1964 stating that the 180-day staute of limitations for filing an equal-pay lawsuit regarding pay discrimination resets with each new paycheck affected by that discriminatory action. The law directly addressed Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co., 550 U.S. 618 (2007), a U.S. Supreme Court decision that the statute of limitations for presenting an equal-pay lawsuit begins on the date that the employer makes the initial discriminatory wage decision, not at the date of the most recent paycheck.
A bill, also called the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, to supersede the decision, was introduced in the 110th United States Congress but was never enacted, as it was passed by the House but failed in the Senate.
3. Wade v. Roe - There are three ways Roe v. Wade, (1973) can be overturned:
I, for one am so tired of all the dire predictions - if you vote for Romney you won't have control over your body... If you vote for Romney he only cares about his rich friends and corporations, he'll do aweful things to the middle class... Romney lies, he flip-flops... and on, and on, and on. In 2008, President Barack Obama was voted into office without anyone knowing what he would do or not do - he had no record to run on. Four years later, he does and there are some questions as to whether or not he did what he promised to do. Mitt Romney does not have a record to run on as he has never been President of the United States so the best the Democratic Party can do is conjecture. They use scare tactics, like throwing mom/grandma out on the street, Women will not have control of their bodies, American jobs outsourced, unemployment higher, poverty rates over the top...
I will vote for Mitt Romney, not because I am a republican, I'm not but for the simple reason that I do not believe Barack Obama is the answer and I would rather take a chance on the unknown than continue on a path I do not see as going anywhere.
"If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things. " Barack Obama August 28, 2008
Dew Drop Inn....hmmm. That wouldn't be government subsidized would it??
But Happy Birthday anyways. Some folks can agree to disagree. Too bad our politicians can't.
Yikes Be, reading your comments is scarier than most of the GOP talking points. Nothing is more frightening than someone who thinks they know all the answers and that their personal view is completely right, and worse still, that everyone else should live by them. And the minute God or religion are brought in and the phases sanctity of life (or word to that affect) it indicates decisions made that are self-important and built on the belief that that one view (despite the many religions) is the right one and that it is an accept truth. That is scary to me because you show that your ideas are rigid and that you seek answers and guidance from an ideology and that means that you cannot actually look at the issues too thoroughly because in the end you will find that your ideology leaves gaps and holes in your ability to sort out the contradictions. So rather than mess with thinking, you fall back on what makes you feel good and important which is made up to begin with. You may see this as an attack on your religion. It is not, it just means that I take issue with your belief that you have this all correct and know all the answers and that they way you do things is the only right away. But you will see it as a liberal, commie, athiest's attack on you because that drops the watertight door on the issue for you and you can write it off rather than wading into the deep flooding waters to actually look at the details and analyse the problem. If you did that you would be forced to accept that they answers don't all exist as simply and you wish, and you and your ilk are not equipped or prepared to handle that. You want everything like fast food...quick, processed and delivered quickly. You don't care what's in it, as long as you feel full at the end.
HERE IS WHY Obama Loses -- The $831,000,000,000 economic “stimulus” that President Obama spearheaded and signed into law requires his administration to release quarterly reports on its effects. But “the most transparent administration in the history of our country” is now four reports behind schedule and has so far not released any reports whatsoever in 2012. Its most recent quarterly report is for the quarter than ended on June 30, 2011. -- More crap being hidden, More broken promises ect...
Ben - Read the constitution. We are BORN with rights. The unborn are not yet citizens and therefore have no "rights". Placing the right of a non-person/ citizen (for lack of a better term) above the rights of an actual person/ citizen to further your own agenda is exactly why the founding fathers drafted the bill of rights, to keep it from happening. "Potential" poeple are no more people than corperations when you look at it objectively and without preconceived bias. But we all know what the right has to say on that.
Before you all go nuts, I am PERSONALLY against abortion. BUT, it is something that is NO ONES business besides those involved. Not the government or the church or you and I.
I hope Romney brings up what Obama said when he THOUGHT he was OFF mic...
Obama, during a sit-down with Medvedev in Seoul, urged Moscow to give him "space" until after November. The conversation was relayed by a TV pool producer who listened to the recording from a Russian journalist.
Yeah Obama is really on the up and up with the pubic, very honest man. This is something that should worry everyone. Especially if Obama is Anti-America who better to help you bring down one of the most powerful countries?
Well said Steven. I have been enjoying your posts all day.
Grossboy - 1)the unborn are not yet citizens??... that is the dumbest argument. we have many people who are not citizens, does that give us a right to kill them? the baby (fetus) has a beating heart in 11 days after conception. 2) most agree that to abort the baby after the 3 or 4th trimester in inhumane and sick some say its ok, some say its ok to abort up to the day of birth !!.. who is to say?.. who is to say abort it the day it comes out, heck why abort it up to 6 months old?.. point is even pro baortionist cant agree on when is an acceptable time to abort 3) a womans body is her own?.. suicide is illegal, shooting heroin is illegal, like it or not your body is not with out limits of law. 4) the baby that arent wanted are a drain on society ?.. Susan b anthony was froma rape, who's to say that child wont grow up to someone with something to offer, who are we to predetermine that person destiny?.. 5) a high percentage of woman who have had abortions go through a stage of depression. because its murder ... like it or not ... its a living being and needs to be protected.. 99.9% of the time its the womans choice to have sex - and therefore the consequences are inherited with the choice
its a living human being inside of a woman - how is that not murder???... it depends of the mother for life ..... dont we have many in our society that depend on others for life??.. feel free to take on that question
I will take promises broken because action was blocked by others over a man who so tyrannical that he orders his 1%'er minions to threaten their workers... In his own voice - not some trumped up crack like you all love to throw at Obama. Your guy writes and performs his own criticisms when he thinks the rest of us can't hear.
And to top it off - his got all his 'rich and powerfult' supporters preaching the same terroristic tactics.
Get a clue - check out youtube and hear it for yourself... small business town hall, romney
Hey Feisty and Beverly...have you ever held a job in your entire life?
Do you understand anything about business?
Inbreds vote republican.
Freeloaders vote Democrat...
Freeloaders as in the bible belt states, the ones that receive $1.00 of Federal money for every $.65 they pay in?
Right on Bigg Dogg
That's where we should start cutting spending. The liberal leaning states are more prosperous and subsidize those poorer more Conservative states. My question is: why are more liberal states more prosperous than these poorer, more Conservative states? Is it just a coincidence?
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"I don’t think he understands the Constitution of the United States…He’s the president of the United States. You don’t say, ‘you’ll get your chance.’” - Chris Matthews
It seems that Mr Matthews has mistaken a "public SERVANT" for a dictatorship... or maybe he knows something we don't about the Obama administration?
Man the media sure will scrutinize everything, including a break from the campaign where the candidates barb at each other in jest. Lighten up media!
Its over for Obama;
According to multiple polls, Romney's favorability rating has surged since the Republican National Convention and in most he equals or bests President Obama's favorables.
And late Thursday, the Pew Research Center, the poll that has been toughest on Romney's favorability, released results showing that Romney is ahead of Obama by a point, 50 percent to 49 percent. That is a stunning turnaround from March, when Obama's favorable rating in Pew was about twice Romney's, 55 percent to 29 percent.
Gallup also has Romney beating Obama on the favorability rating, 52 percent to 51 percent.
Even the liberal DailyKos/SEIU/PPP poll has Romney beating Obama on the fave rating, 49 percent to 46 percent.
People don't like Obama anymore
Dadoftim: Can you give me names of ALL those people? You have NO idea who does or does not like our president, you can only conjecture based on the information that YOU have and how YOU perceive what is being said. Please don't think you have the right to say what other people like or dislike....you only know what YOU like and dislike. It's really a big pet peeve of mine when individuals who post on this vine think they KNOW what others feel, want, need, etc. You only have the right to speak for yourself and not others.....please remember that in the future, okay?
Dafodim
Not so fast.
Nate Silver discounts the Gallup poll as an outlier and has the national poll average at an even race between Obama and Romney. He scores the electoral college vote at 291.6 Obama, 246.4 Romney today.
Nate Silver gives Obama a 70.4% chance of winning versus 29.6% for Romney. And the Gallup 7 day tracking poll lowered Romney's lead there by 1% from yesteday.
People still like Obama. Just wait until they sort through Mitt Romney's changing positions and other BS.
OBAMA 2012
Dodo, I mean Didi, conjecture is a noun not a verb. Please use it as such.
What this likability factor means is that many US voters have been decieved by the propagandist media. I'm not even sure I would want to "like" the PResdient, in as much as he/she might NED to do some things which I would dislike and shouold give he/she the leeway to do so. Be aware that even if you like MItt Romney, he and his fellow vulture capitalists have already rigged the game, and it is NOT in teh favor of 90% of Americans:
The Number one issue with America and the "developed" World: It IS the Plutonocrats :
Everyone who knows or learned in college Economics that the rich get richer and the poor get screwed check this out- it is called the Plutonomy reports issued by citibank to certain shareholders first in 2005, the second in 2006. I downloaded the pdf since it is difficult to find it online.
http://rwer.wordpress.com/2010/11/11/citigroup-attempts-to-disappear-its-plutonomy-report-2/
Key segment:
The bold inside of the quotes is my emphasis.
TexasT - You're proud of your mom voting against her Medicare Benefits? I guess you're ready to pick up the slack- good luck little boy when she gets her voucher
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One of your best post Bill.
Thanks Mo. I wanted to write something you'd be able to understand.
Mo is still looking for his team to win a conference football game. But they won't lose this weekend ... only because they have an open date.
Just a few weeks ago the very same people who tout the polls now said that the polls are skewed, and are unimportant. Have the pollsters changed their methods? Have the pollsters changed the demographics of the population they poll? Have they become more accurate? Why would they?
Perhaps those previously complaining about polls a couple of weeks ago who are crowing now are hypocrites.
And a comedian is the most serious journalist in America...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/18/obama_if_four_americans_get_killed_its_not_optimal.html
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Poll people; It's Ohio, Florida and you can forget the rest of "math"...
I am not optimistic over the level of discussion that will surely ensue as to which "optimal" came first. (Hint ... not the Muslim guy) Even good journalism will be spun.
You had me at;
"I am not optimistic over the level of discussion that will surely ensue..."
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"Journalism", is on life support, if the "level of discussion" here is any indicator. Spin rules the day...
"Here is what I will say -- if four Americans get killed, it is not optimal. And we are going to fix it."
"And what happens during the course of a presidency, you know, the government is a big operation -- at any given time, something screws up and you make sure you find out what's broken and you fix it."
"we weren't confused about the fact that four Americans had been killed. I wasn't confused about the fact that we needed to ramp up diplomatic security around the world right after it happened."
"I wasn't confused about the fact that we were going to hunt down whoever did it and bring them to justice. So, as I said during the debate, nobody is more interested in figuring this out than I am."
All are Barack Obama words..... brave Americans DIED & Mr Obama thinks they were "not optimal"
Goodbye Barry.... take your wife & kids back to Chicago.............
I find the daily spin cycle makes me wish that either party were correct in their claims about the destruction of the country if their party loses the election. Maybe our society should start over. All I see are a bunch of people too concerned with nonsense or making mountains out of anthills rather than thinking critically about the real issues. I don't have the answers but I would love to see people actually talking reasonably to each other. I'd like to think that it would end after the election and everyone would work together to make this country better for everyone but as I found out after the 2008 election sore losers refuse to participate unless they win. Their answer is to just stall until the next election.
dangerfield: It really is bad when John Stewart is the person who asks the most pointed questions of anyone regarding what happened in Libya and the reaction to it.
I've seen the Fox talking heads trying to make something of the use of the "optimal" phrasing. Most observers know that the President was listening to the question and actually answering the question asked, using Stewart's actual words in his response.
... and coming in for a non-optimal landing is Steve-446003 ... flaps are not down and wheels still in their bays ... definitely the time to lead forward.
Dan Austin,
You said it man. The debates bored me Lot's of noise over nonsense, and no real dialogue. Not that I expected more, but I sometimes hope I'll be surprised.
By the way - what's with Austin and all the Airstream's? Pretty cool, but seriously - I didn't know that many existed.
Anyone, but that useless waste of space, lying obama in 2012
un- must be an airstream convention, attack of the silver twinkies. used to happen every year up here.
The conservatives don't like the earth being round either, too bad.
A brilliant post William! I was a conservative, but I'm switching over because of that delightful insight!
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thanks for shining that light! to think that I hated the earth for being round, how clueless was i?
You said it sirie.
Sirie
Clueless is a vote for Obama.
Don't be clueless.
Isn't Gallup the most respected, impartial and accurate poll in America?
@Jen - I select maybe a sentance or word to use BOLD, as it loses it meaning when the whole post is in either CAPS or BOLD.... it is best used for emphasis IMHO!
No.
Well, the Obama campaign is coming down hard on Gallup, guess they don't like what they're polling. Nothing can substantiate a poll better than Obama's group being against it.
HERE IS WHY Obama Loses -- The $831,000,000,000 economic “stimulus” that President Obama spearheaded and signed into law requires his administration to release quarterly reports on its effects. But “the most transparent administration in the history of our country” is now four reports behind schedule and has so far not released any reports whatsoever in 2012. Its most recent quarterly report is for the quarter than ended on June 30, 2011. -- More crap being hidden, More broken promises ect...
I received a $10,700 credit for green energy from that stimulus money. Put solar panels on my house.
My energy bill last month was $12.50, that's gas and electricity. Normally the bill would have been between $250 and $300.
Thank you President Obama, you are a true American!
Vote for President Obama because the Detroit Tigers swept the yankees and are going to the World Series!
4 more for 44
yeah that makes a lot of sense. vote for the failure because the tigers are going to the world series. typical lib moron. take a shower and look for a job sponge.
The most significant event in the 2012 presidential election remains the Romney miracle bump after the first debate. If Mr. Romney wins the election, analysts and scholars will spend years picking apart the Denver debate the way they have the 1960 Kennedy-Nixon debate.
Richard Nixon didn't lose that election because of his five o'clock shadow, and Barack Obama isn't going to win or lose his presidency because he lacks intensity. What we learned on Long Island is that Mr. Obama lacks something more damaging to an incumbent—a sense of presidential responsibility.
One of the most familiar Obama positions—repeated at every campaign stop—is that he "inherited" a bad economy from George W. Bush. Set aside that whatever the cause, everyone concedes he took over a tough situation. More to the point is Mr. Obama's compulsive insistence that anything awry in the economy during his first term is "not my fault."
Congrats to your Tigers, Chris! Hope you win the World Series in 4!! As in 4 more years!
HERE IS WHY Obama Loses -- The $831,000,000,000 economic “stimulus” that President Obama spearheaded and signed into law requires his administration to release quarterly reports on its effects. But “the most transparent administration in the history of our country” is now four reports behind schedule and has so far not released any reports whatsoever in 2012. Its most recent quarterly report is for the quarter than ended on June 30, 2011. -- More crap being hidden, More broken promises ect...
Thanks SF...I hope we meet again next year in the post season!
Chris, Dorr,MI ..... my congrats as well ! I don't agree with you politically, but it is nice to see that those "other" teams where "budgets" are not an issue ..... were not able to BUY the AL pennant this year !
I wonder if it will be a repeat matchup vs St. Louis ????????????
Mitt 2012- Mosquito control !
"Female mosquito's hate him"!
"The blood suckers don't even want him"
4 more 4 44 (love it!)
Just gotta love the "4 more 4 44"!
Obama/Biden
2012
I prefer the the candidates who showed up at the Al Smith dinner last night. They were much classier then the candidates who showed up for the debate at Hofstra University.
One was classy and the other just couldn't get out of campaign mode. that one probably should have made an exception for the evening, lighten up, and have a drink.
The polls have Mitt up by over 7 points over ODUMBASS as of 10/19/12.
You liberals make me laugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Proud to be voting for Romney. Hoping the people of Ohio and other key states will give him their vote.
Jen Jen I have no clue what Gov. Romney sold you , maybe, a home in Cayman Islands..........
READ MY LIPS...............I AM NOT BUYING NOTHING FROM THE GOP's.............
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Jen, before you vote, please ask yourself why Romney is going to lose his state by @30 points? It's because we know him. He runs on his record as governor, anyone from Massachusetts can tell you that he LIES about his record as governor. He served one term here and he didn't run a second time because his numbers were so low that he had no chance of being re-elected. Here's an example: He says he crossed the aisle and worked with the dems--he vetoed 800 bills coming out of the state legislature; 780 of those vetoes were overridden by the legislature...does that sound like a good relationship to you?
Hey Sueb1,
Romney only served 1 term because he ran for President in 2008.
His approval rating was 66% until he announced that he was going to run for President then it dropped down to 36%.
If Ohio early voting and absentee voting is any indication, they are similar to when Bush won in 2000 & 2004.
Obama won by 4.5%. Early voting and absentee ballots show the republican gaps to be 5 points and 7 points smaller.
Obama WILL NOT win Ohio
John Z,
Actually, the Pew survey on 1 out of 5 do not believe in God (unaffiliated) revealed them to 24% of the Democratic Party (The majority religion). So please go back and read the poll. That is why the President had to insist that God be mentioned in the Democratic Party Platform this year even though most of the members booed him on the wording. So typical of progressive liars you take the facts and spin them 180 degrees from the truth. You are the biggest liar on the forum today...congratulations. Here is the important part of the article
"But here's where things
get interesting: The religiously unaffiliated now make up the majority religion
of Democratic-leaning voters at 24 percent. For comparison, Black Protestants
and White mainline Protestants comprise 16 and 14 percent of that voting group,
respectively. That heavy Democratic support, however, seems to be limited:
While the unaffiliated have a strong liberal stance on social issues (nearly
three-quarters think abortion and same-sex marriage should be legal), the
group's preferences on government size and role actually largely mirror the
breakdown of the general population: 50 percent of the unaffiliated would
prefer a smaller government, compared to 52 percent of the general population.
This kind of makes sense,
given that the group expressed strong support for the role of religious
institutions in fighting poverty and building community (77 percent and 78
percent), but were considerably less keen on the role of religion in
"defending morality" than the general American public (52 percent vs.
76 percent). The latter role, of course, is more readily associated with the
conservative Religious Right attitude towards religion's role in American
governance."
www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/10/09/non_religious_americans_now_one_fifth_of_the_population_according_to_pew_survey_.html
Dismissed.
It would be funny to come back on November 7 and read a lot of these posts. I think the results are going to be interesting and a lot of these posts are going to show quite hollow.
Romney Ryan 2012, and beyond!
Yep! That's right. Governor of Massachusetts was only a stepping stone.
“I think it’s weird for him to talk about what he wants to do in government and not make reference to what he actually did in government, ” said Democrat Deval Patrick, the Bay State’s current governor, in a phone interview with POLITICO.
“He did one profoundly important thing, and nobody can take it away from him, and that’s health care reform — and he doesn’t want to talk about that,” added Patrick. “The impression he left with people here was he was more interested in having the job [of governor] than doing the job.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76695.html#ixzz29plNhbKV
That's certainly NOT the man I want as President!
Nope, already voted for Obama!
Question: WTF difference does it make what the Obama Administration knew when on Libya? What difference would it make if they told us who did it or not? WTF were we all gonna do about it?
It is STANDARD PRACTICE in any INVESTIGATION to WITHHOLD some information as a STRATEGIC CHOICE.
The attacks in Libya happend less than a month ago, so its not like a long time has passed people. Also too, there were riots WORLDWIDE on 9/11, mmmmkay? So lets not pretend like the issue of the jacka$$ making a video was just a red herring, that sh!t happened.
So in closing, just give this crap a rest already. There is no dressing up the murder of 4 Americans in a U.S. consulate. . . the situation is bad enough without this daily phony "analysis" by the bought and paid for media that can't even tell fact from fiction, thus the need for "fact checkers", since 95% of what passes for "news" these days is little more than press releases telling us what was said, not if it was true.
How 'bout somebody figure out how in the hell Mitt Romeny is going to declare war on China, Russia, and Iran on "Day 1", cut taxes, balance the deficit, and monitor everybody's uteruses from the Oval Office?
Now THAT is something to talk about.
Nash,
Sadly, this is no longer the case with today's instant gratification crowd!
You know the ones, I got MINE EFF YOU!
Happy Belated Birthday Feisty . . . I was away from my computer so I missed rollicking here in the First Read mud with ya . . . I trust you had a great time! ;o)
Is it standard practice to deliberately push a mis-information agenda by lying to the American people?
No. It's not. Better for Obama if Susan Rice et al did not mention the "spontaneous" protest getting out of hand and turning into an attack and then attempt to attach it to the video.
Had the administration answered all questions with "We don't know at this point" there would be no controvery - at least over this point. But, they were so intent on spinning this politically and so convinced the media would play along (which in large part they have) they didn't think they would get caught in the lie.
And that doesn't even touch on why asking for increased security in Libya was like asking for "the sun, the moon and the stars"......
You betcha I did GF!
See you at the Dew Drop Inn later! ;o)
PS: What is even more disgusting is, even after family members of the fallen have repeatedly requested Team Willard STOP politicizing their loves one death, along comes MommyinNJ FULL SPEED ahead!
This is a transcript of EXACTLY what Susan Rice said to Jake Tapper on ABC's This Week (bold added by me):
You really can't make it any plainer than that. She gave the CURRENT ASSESSMENT of the situation based on info available at the time. She stressed that there was an INVESTIGATION ongoing that would reveal the TRUTH. WTF more do you people want.
Damn.
MOMINNJ-
Hindsight is always 20/20.
Do you blame Reagan for the lax security in Beirut that allowed truck bombs to kill 220 Marines and 21 other Americans?
Do you blame GW Bush for ignoring intelligence that warned of a pending domestic Al Qaeda attack before 9/11?
The latest reports on Libya reflect ongoing uncertainty about key aspects of the consulate attack: whether the Al Qaeda-type took advantage of a riot to attack the embassy, whether they started the riot as cover for their attack, or whether it was a pre-planned operation.
Regardless of the final determination, I lost any respect I had for Mitt Romney when he verbally attacked American embassy workers while they were under physical attack in an attempt to score political points.
Nashville fan
Remember the good old days when the president was given some leeway when it came to National Security. The other party would come out and say 'we need time to find out what happened' -- support the president and the country. The republicans are the same ones who said that anyone who questioned GW's war in Iraq was committing treason? Am I the only one who remembers this?
Sueb1: the GOP is is just beginning to realize that they have lost the one area they thought was theirs, foreign policy and national security and they are grasping, desperately, at anything they can to try to claw it back.
They have lost the support of women, veterans, the elderly, minorities, the young. All the GOP has left is old white guys and mindless angry people so they are trying any tactic to get anyone they can.
Nashville, Sueb1, dirp, excellent points all.
In their zeal to exploit a tragedy for political end, Republicans are trampling over diplomacy, security, decency and common courtesy.
Romney speaks without all the facts (see also the second debate), Issa convenes without regard to ongoing fact finding and negotiations in Libya, conservatives bluster without looking at the larger picture.
NASH: Sorry.. that dog wont hunt! What everyone wants is the truth. The administration knew no later than 24 hrs after the attack that there were NO growds and that it was a planned terrorist attack. They watched it REAL TIME on video - which, trust me, will come out very soon - and then chose to go out and blame a fricking video that no one watched for the deaths of 4 people. FACE FACTS ... this administration is INCOMPETENT and the president is a lazy bumbler who would rather play golf and smooze with celebs than take on the hard work of leadership and protecting our people in dangerous places. Make all the excuses you like... you seem to feed on them... but this issue is going to help sink this idiot that is currently in the white house!
Catch a clue and then you and Feisty can catch a fact or two as to who lied to who during the debate -- I assume you know how to work Google... read the CBS run down of the truth -- 3 out of 4 truths for Romney! Personally I think that he was 4 of 4.. but I don't like what Obama's managed Bankrupcy did to the bond holders of GM AND believe that GM will be right back asking for more $$ within 1-2 years to stack on top of the 20+/- billion they still owe us!
Feisty should pack her bags.. her 60 seconds of clueless fame on FOX news is over. Although, I am surprised that FOX didn't keep her around to use as a Obamabot punching bag!
It does not matter who wins the Presidency unless there is a change over in the Congress. We need a complete replacement of those who "vote to find out what is inside" since we pay them very well to read, understand, and then vote on "what is inside". The most important thing we need to do in this election and the next is get rid of all the incumbents in both Houses regardless of party. We need to shake it up so the old power structures are disrupted and the old timers are shipped home. These tottering old men and women have made a mess out of our country and it is high time they are put out to pasture.
Something to consider in this election.
You're kidding right? It absolutely does matter. Let me ask you a question; if a terrorist broke into YOUR house and killed YOUR family members, and the President, knowing what really happened, blamed it on a random act of violence and did nothing about it, how would you feel? What he SHOULD have done, being the Commander-in-Chief, would be to go over there and kick tail. This was a terrorist attack an AMERICAN SOIL! The same as it would be if it were here in the states, and he did NOTHING! He blamed a video, he denied knowing anything about it. HE IS AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE! The world is scoffing and laughing at what once was a world power to be feared. Now the muslims can do anything they want to us and he ignores it. People like you and Fiesty just don't get it. As long as it doesn't affect YOU, you just don't care. Just go on living in your little Obama bubble, where you live under the misconception that he's doing these things for the good of the people. The reason why he won't tell anybody what his agenda is if he (God forbid) is reelected again, is becasue he doesn't WANT you to know what his vision is. It will be Obama unleashed. People who are now indifferent to his policies because they haven't affected them yet, will feel it, and boy will the feel it. They will FINALLY see that everything that comes out of that man's mouth is a lie. Hopefully there's enough educated people in this country who stand up for freedom than the people who are living in the Obama bubble.
Once again, right wing blowhards disgrace this country with lies and innuendo. Once again, they confuse talking about it with being about it.
President Obama had done what he needs to do when it comes to foreign policy. All this faux outrage is just another attempt by the GOP to distract from the fact that they are the ones who f$#@# up the economy and foreign policy, and that they still don't have a plan to do anything other than the same sh!t that didn't work the first time.
Next.
President Obama could butcher babies on national television and you would make excuses for him. "Faux outrage?" Please, the only 'faux' here is your attempting to cover for Obama, again and again and again.....guess you don't much care about human life either, not optimal.
Dear mygirl1:
Please explain to me how you running off at the mouth about Libya demonstrates that you care about human life? What exactly is your uninformed commentary doing to make anything better? From the very beginning, the Obama Administration has said the the final truth will come out AFTER the investigation, which is still ongoing.
So how about you put on your big girl panties and stop whining about stuff you have no way of knowing and lying about folks you don't even know.
Please and thank you.
NavyChief: You're a disgrace to the military! As a Vietnam Era vet, I would NEVER have thought of talking badly about my Commander in Chief, no matter how I felt about him. We learned in the Army (yes, the Army) that even if you didn't respect the person in the position, you at least respected the position! With that, you, who swore an oath to support the U.S. and the Commander in Chief, have embarrassed yourself immensely!
Obama is counting on the uneducated to get him reelected.
AMAZING !! Anyway the liberals want to spin it, the Obama administration, all his minions and Obama himself spent 2 weeks spreading MISINFORMATION about why the murders in Benghazi happened !
Was it an intended coverup to hide the truth ? Probably. Was it gross stupidity and negligence to not find out what really happened before "assigning" causality ?? Possibly. Either way, Obama either deliberately lied because Obama has contradicted Obama ... yet AGAIN !!
The world is a screwed up place, Pukes it is not Obama's fault that the world is screwed up.
What next Pukes, you gonna blame Obama for the dark side of the moon being cold?
I know you think he is the Messiah but I am atheist and I do not hold those same beliefs.
Nashvlle, the entire administration called it spotaeneus and blamed it on the video. You act like they said "we do not know what happened, we will wait until all the facts have come out." Romney responded to the apology from the Egytian embassy, (which was walked back by the white house) yet Cutter blamed Romney for politicizing Libya. Now all libs are on a misinformation campaign. Libs are only getting their story from MSNBC, which did not cover it for 2 weeks.
The Administration went with the information they had from the field at the time. Later they learned something different. Perhaps the screw up was not the Administration but the CIA or FBI or military intellegence who, amid the chaos going on thought one thing and it turned out to be something else. It is easy to armchair quarterback such things and criticize but if you were there or involve in it in any way you probably wouldn't criticize the Administration or anyone else right now.
The only 'screwup' was not giving the extra security requested over and over again, and then lying about why Stevens and the others were killed.
Only ignorance personified will accept the BS being fed to them by this administration. Obama was soooo distraught by the news he had to hop on the big jet and fly to Vegas to console his grief by partying with Beyonce and Jay Z.
Then, the intel was there, however, Obama was far too busy with campaigning and appearing on TV with important world leaders like Letterman and Whoopi, to actually pay attention to affairs of state, didn't have time to meet with his security advisors. He could 'read' up on it, didn't need any face-to-face time, he's far too smart for that.
He knows all, sees all and when he doesn't, why his supporters will make excuses for him, doesn't matter how many people die.
Bigdog: The only 'Pukes' are those who use that word to describe others. If you need to see what 'pukes' look like, examine a mirror.
Just trying to get the time-line correct -
11 September 2012 - Attack on Consulate in Libya - 4 Americans killed
12 September 2012 - President Obama speech in White House Rose Garden (at 4:18 of speech he mentions the term "acts of terror") Generalized? This term "acts of terror" is not linked with Libya so there is some question as to whether or not he was speaking directly of Libya or in more general terms of the anniversary of 9/11.
Approximately 3-4 days later UN Ambassador for the United States, Susan Rice speaks about the cause for the attack due to You-Tube video.
Meanwhile a journalist in Libya goes to Consulate, retrieves Ambassador Stevens' diary (which he returned to the family)
5 October 2012 FBI finally arrive at Benghazi to investigate attack on Consulate.
IF there was pre-warning of possible attacks, given the history both with the anniversary and the recent war there in Libya wouldn't common sense prompt one to err on the side of caution. For that matter, again using common sense, would it not have been prudent to add issue warning to be vigulent and most probably add extra security to these Consulates and Embassys expecially in the Middle East? I would think that it would be easier to add additional security in those high tisk areas than hope that nothing bad will happen. As for budgets and Republicans (and Democrats) who cut funds from Embassy Security, Construction and Maintenence - a) Common sense tells you there will be little construction, minimal maintenence and more security and b) the World Security Funding (totally unsure exact name) that does include Consulates and supplying more security would have or at least should have been used in areas such as this.
But - FBI agents can't get to Consulate because of the upheaval in the country.
WI is going to go to Romney as is the presidency! This cheesehead has a good pulse on things in this fine state and Obama is going to be shown the door. The crazy libs tried to recall our star Gov Walker and he won by more votes than his original election. ....and we do it better .....with a little cheddar!
NO MORE FOR 44!!!
R/R 2012!!! SAVE AMERICA!!
Did you see the latest polls for Wisconsin Cheddar? President Obama up by 9 points. I think your pulse is weakening.
That cheesehead can't even muster butter .. just an oleohead minus yellow food coloring, a perfect topping for Queen Ann's charred Welsh Cakes.
The firewall is collapsing on Obama as evident by the Washington Post editorial lambasting Obama's record and the media's failure to vet candidate Obama before endorsing him four years ago.
Yesterday, the Orlando Sentinel jumped on the bandwagon.
Gee, and which candidate does FOX endorse??
You've been turned off?? Try women, minorities, elderly, secularists and generally everyone that thinks for themselves.
The Orlando Sentinel is no Fox. They endorsed Obama in 2008 just as Colin Powell did. Neither are wiling to support Obama this time. Gee, has anyone seen Oprah in this campaign?
nash -- are you old enough to remember nixon's presidency? it was not the act that forced him to eventually resign but the cover-up, no one died. with the libya we have deaths, we have lies coming from many parts of the administration, the cover up is at full speed. maybe obama should do the right thing for the country and resign immediately after he loses next month.
romney a dum ass he insult england this guy put use all in a big war no thanks
William,
Why are you addressing me like I was the one who wrote the Sentinel editorial endorsing Romney? The Sentinel has been your ally for four years. Like so many independents, they are finally waking to the fact that Obama is way over his head.
I'm not sure it you could classify the events of Libya as a cover-up. Does it appear the President attempted to diffuse the mistake in Libya by misdirecting to a video so that his campaign wouldn't be completely derailed? Probably. But that is not technically a cover-up.
"Here is what I will say -- if four Americans get killed, it is not optimal. And we are going to fix it."
"And what happens during the course of a presidency, you know, the government is a big operation -- at any given time, something screws up and you make sure you find out what's broken and you fix it."
"we weren't confused about the fact that four Americans had been killed. I wasn't confused about the fact that we needed to ramp up diplomatic security around the world right after it happened."
"I wasn't confused about the fact that we were going to hunt down whoever did it and bring them to justice. So, as I said during the debate, nobody is more interested in figuring this out than I am."
All are Barack Obama words..... brave Americans DIED & Mr Obama thinks they were "not optimal"
Goodbye Barry.... take your wife & kids back to Chicago.............
Thank you Texas T for your level headed responses to the libya situation. I may not agree with you politically but I do appreciate your posts.
Do you mean the one and only Orlando Sentinel, the very paper where the one and only Marco Rubio is on the editorial board, the very editorial board that write the endorsement for president. The entire paper is a GOPTP rag sheet, barely fit to use as fire place starting fuel. Why don't they simply change their name to Koch News.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2010/09/photos-rubios-turn-with-sentinel-ed-board.html
Too much drivel and spin out there my fellow Texan to not keep it real and sane. I have numerous liberal friends in Austin and while we have political differences we don't make room for animosity. Texas friendly...
The most significant event in the 2012 presidential election remains the Romney miracle bump after the first debate. If Mr. Romney wins the election, analysts and scholars will spend years picking apart the Denver debate the way they have the 1960 Kennedy-Nixon debate.
Richard Nixon didn't lose that election because of his five o'clock shadow, and Barack Obama isn't going to win or lose his presidency because he lacks intensity. What we learned on Long Island is that Mr. Obama lacks something more damaging to an incumbent—a sense of presidential responsibility.
One of the most familiar Obama positions—repeated at every campaign stop—is that he "inherited" a bad economy from George W. Bush. Set aside that whatever the cause, everyone concedes he took over a tough situation. More to the point is Mr. Obama's compulsive insistence that anything awry in the economy during his first term is "not my fault."
Apologies folks - I pulled a double-Romney by first doing a flip-flop and turning, for a brief moment, into a GOPTP partisan hack, and then citing an article completely out of context with a claim that Rubio is on the Orlando Sentinel editorial board. Now that I have reformed, I own up to my mistake - Rubio is not on that editorial board.
Gosh, you must be a liberal, you screwed up and instead of simply admitting that fact, you had to twist it into an insult laden diatribe. Typical.
All of the media is making this race out to be much closer than it really is
They need their meals too that which is ratings. $$$$$$$$$$$$$
They need your attention
Obama's winning more than is being said.
Rob, you must be sniffing glue. You are right about the race seeming a lot closer than it actually is but it's Romney who is going to win big not Obama.
Rob was in a Coma for 4 years. Cut him a break.
I agree, Rob. They have to keep us interested in their "product". If they came right out and said President Obama is way ahead and will win hands down, why would we continue to tune in?
President Obama/Vice President Biden in a land slide!!
As I read through all these post, I see the same thing from the Dims...bash Romney. Why don't you have anything good to say about your guy's record, including you Fiesty Red Head? Why don't you sing praises to Obama's record of 23 million people out of work, 47+ million on welfare, and the lowest labor participation rate in 30 years? Why not applaud him on his comments regarding the terrorist attack in Libya as "a bump in the road" and getting 4 Americans killed is "not optimal"? Why not defend him by saying that his administration has consistently called it a terrorist attack since Sep. 12? Why not discuss the great immigration reform that he enacted his first year in office just like he promised? If he is so great, then defend him and his record!!! Why should we give him another chance based upon his record?
Exactly Johnny92 - Better yet why don't they lay out in specific terms exactly what Obama's plan for the next four years is to get us out of this mess that he has worsened? Oh right.. could it be because there isn't one! NO BUDGET FOR FOUR YEARS. I listened to a liberal pundit try to articulate what Obama wants to do to improve the country's economic conditions last nite - it was pathetic to watch and I felt sorry for her... she had nothing... none of them do including Obama, that's the sad, pathetic truth.
This article is bs just like the rest of this left wing news organization. Every poll in the nation shows Romney ahead. The two most trusted polls, Gallup and Ram shows Romney pulling away even over the margin. You libs are just plain brainwashed to believe odumbo and the last 4 years are going to pull this one out. He has nothing to run on. Hope and Change failed and you brainwashed idiots fail to realize that even with statistics. Even after your so called great (in your world) debate the other night odumbo is still taking a licking. I find it very funny that after all is said and done you libs will still be LOSERS.
Not to mention the front page article claiming odumbo and Romney in a dead heat. Where are they getting this crap from? Must be msdnc's own internal poll and still libs voting have it tied. HHAHAHHAHHAHAH
Actually the facts will support president Obama as the economy is headed in the right direction with positive job growth for 30 straight months and counting. Thats why Willard and his campaign quickly ditched thier"are you better off than 4 yrs ago" strategy because once anyone took a closer look it was obvious that our economy is better and heading in the right direction.
After the big Bush/Cheney money grab war profiteering left our country at the brink of total economic meltdown its been a very impressive 1st term for President Obama. Any reputable economist will agree.
Sorry but the Republicans trying to claim how awful the Presidents record is when they have been the ones standing in the way of job growth and progress is disturbing. The party of greed wants thier filthy little hands back on the controls? How is that going to help you or your family? Wake up
I see Obama increasing his lead in the key battleground states because Mitt keeps sidestepping on the issues on a daily basis.
It does not matter who wins the Presidency unless there is a change over in the Congress. We need a complete replacement of those who "vote to find out what is inside" since we pay them very well to read, understand, and then vote on "what is inside". The most important thing we need to do in this election and the next is get rid of all the incumbents in both Houses regardless of party. We need to shake it up so the old power structures are disrupted and the old timers are shipped home. These tottering old men and women have made a mess out of our country and it is high time they are put out to pasture.
Something to consider in this election.
I can care less about polls or debates. Nothing will change my mind. Obama has been a complete failure!!!!
I just don't get it, just look at his record, why give him another chance? He doesn't deserve it and the American people deserve better, much better.
He blew it and needs to go. NEXT !!!!!!!!!
What th.. A men, four years of Obama's failures is enought! GDP this quarter, an anemic 1.3%. Things are not getting better, they are getting worst! My heart aches for the millions and millions of Americans. Who have lost everything!
Romney Ryan 2012 and beyond, change is comming on 6Nov.
There are polls and then there are polls
From now until election day, partisans on both sides of the aisle will be pointing from one poll to the next to demonstrate that their candidate, using whatever tortured logic they want to use, is actually winning the race. Poll results will not actually gain either candidate a single extra vote on election day, but the reality is that when one becomes emotionally invested in a political race, one sees what he wants to see.
Left wing posters will point to the recent polls in Iowa and Wisconsin that indicate their candidate still has a large lead in these states. And truthfully, given the sample sizes in both polls, the internal structure of the polls were fairly sound - as sound as polls of this nature really can be.
One thing they did that most polls don't do at this stage of the game is count 'already voted' as part of their 'likely voter' mix. A portion of the movement toward Romney in recent weeks is the natural distillation of 'already voters' from the mix.
Because early voting has become so much more prevalent, the wording of the 'how likely are you to vote' becomes very important, especially in states where early voting is a popular way to vote.
In Iowa, for example, roughly 1/3 of the population has already voted. And if the NBC poll did not distill the 'already voted' among the 'likely voters,' the result of this poll would have instead been a large Romney lead. Why?
Well, because among those who have yet to vote, but still INTEND to vote, the poll shows Romney with a lead.
But if the reality is that 1/3rd of Iowa has already voted and President Obama has a 35 point advantage among those, the race in this state is essentially over. Time will tell.
Right wing posters will be quick to jump on the new Susquehanna poll last night showing Governor Romney with a 4 point lead in Pennsylvania this morning. I agree that it would be a compelling signal of a sea change in the presidential race were it not for one thing: it's a terrible poll.
I don't mean that it's a terrible poll in the sense that I think it's biased or that the questions are worded poorly or any of the things that people normally mean when they assert that a poll is terrible. In most cases, when people call a poll 'terrible' or something like it, it is code for 'I don't like this result.' Yes, the Susquehanna poll was done at the request of the Republican party of Pennsylvania, but if a poll's methods are sound, the fact that a given party initiated the poll doesn't somehow automatically call its results into questions.
But the methodology of this poll was seriously awful:
1.) 65% of the poll's respondents were 45 or older. Let me repeat that. 65% of the respondents were 45 or older.
2.) The likely voter screen was weak.
3.) The poll was entirely landline.
Does this mean that Pennsylvania has not moved in Romney's direction? Of course not. But does Romney actually have a lead there? The only answer you can give based on this poll, considering how flawed it is is, "I don't know."
No other poll gives Romney a lead here and the trend is not for him to have a lead here. So if a poll bucks the trend AND has obvious methodological errors?
Well, I'll let you draw your own conclusions on that.
So there are polls and there are polls. Don't get too caught up on one and don't leap to conclusions. In general, the polling trends are the things to look at in most cases. And remember... the websites that give you this polling information are all run by politically active people who have an agenda.
RCP, for example, provides accurate information, but they make no bones about having a conservative slant. And they will sometimes allow that conservative bent to show through... such as when they use only 3 polls to compute North Carolina's 'polling average' to move it on their map from 'tossup' to 'lean,' while using 6-7 polls to compute other states to keep them from moving from the 'tossup' category to the 'leans Obama' category and thus make the map look different than it actually currently is.
Thank you for an excellent post!
Gee, we can't believe any polls anymore. Rasmussen, RCP, Gallup, CSpan, CBS, they are all slanted to the right.
Thank you Michael,
You comment is one of the most accurate explanations of polling, I have read in ages around here! ☺
Yeah Fiesty - anything to hang your hopes on.
Romney will get 320-330 electoral votes and 52% of the popular vote.
Obama is done.
Feisty,
I remember you calling it game over when Obama had the lead in most polls for the last six months. What's changed your mind about polls?
You might want to slow down on the Irish coffee this morning honey...
Don't you have kids to take care of? lol
I don't believe I called the results of any organization's polls into question but one and gave very specific reasons why I did so. By and large, to the extent that they can be accurate, an organization's polls are accurate. However, in the case of the Susquehanna poll, not only did the poll have serious errors in how they conducted it, it was also conducted from October 11-13, (partially prior to even the VP debate, but post first presidential debate) and not released until October 18 in a fairly transparent attempt by the Pennsylvania Republican Party to drive the narrative.
Do I deny the race has tightened and, from the look of things, Romney has some amount of momentum? Of course not. But do I assume that the entire dynamic of the race has changed and that suddenly the president is losing in swing states when if you look at all of the polling sites, there aren't any polls that show Romney with leads in Michigan, Wisconsin or Pennsylvania - all three of which have been thrown into the tossup category by RCP?
Obama's first debate performance likely lost him Florida, Virginia and North Carolina. But until I see actual evidence that it lost him more than that, it hasn't. And Romney needed much much more than those three states to pull the race.
Good common sense explanation Michael. You must be a teacher with your easy to understand explanation of the polls. Thank you. Reminds me of my math teacher in high school.
Mitt ROMNEY our future President of the United States of America. 2012
Romney believes the American public is stupid.
He says, I am going to give the entire middle class and poor an across the boards tax cut. I am not going to give the uber rich a tax cut, the uber rich will pay the SAME OVERALL % that they did last year. Meaning if you drop the tax rate for the middle class and poor and the rich do not pay a higher overall %, then you MUST cut their tax rates to achieve that.
Mitt is a fricken LIAR, C'MON TAGGIE, YOU LIL WUSSIE, take a swing at me.
The most significant event in the 2012 presidential election remains the Romney miracle bump after the first debate. If Mr. Romney wins the election, analysts and scholars will spend years picking apart the Denver debate the way they have the 1960 Kennedy-Nixon debate.
Richard Nixon didn't lose that election because of his five o'clock shadow, and Barack Obama isn't going to win or lose his presidency because he lacks intensity. What we learned on Long Island is that Mr. Obama lacks something more damaging to an incumbent—a sense of presidential responsibility.
One of the most familiar Obama positions—repeated at every campaign stop—is that he "inherited" a bad economy from George W. Bush. Set aside that whatever the cause, everyone concedes he took over a tough situation. More to the point is Mr. Obama's compulsive insistence that anything awry in the economy during his first term is "not my fault."
The economy is more a reflection of a Congress that has a 7% approval rating. The House and Senate have done nothing to help the economy.
Thanks for that great explanation, Michael. Makes a lot of sense.
If you stop back by, can you explain what "oversampling" is?
SF,
I believe an oversampling is to take a higher % of a certain voting block than what the demographics say you should.
If there are 10% African Americans in a particular region and you take a sample where you took 20% of the respondents are African American, you took an oversample of that group.
bigdogg464,
I agree with your statement on the Congress. And that is why we need to look seriously at removing the incumbents regardless of party to break up the power structure and leave them "shocked and awed" by the American voter. If we could make a complete turn over in both Houses in the next two election cycles maybe we would have a chance as a country. These people voted for a bill "to find out what is inside" when we pay them plenty of money and benefits to actually read, understand, and represent us when they vote. That statement alone is an affront to every American no matter how good or bad you think the ACA is as law. It is just a plain lazy response by privileged, spoiled, elites who need to be sent home for good.
Something to think about if we want move the country "forward" instead of over the cliff.
Sure, explaining oversampling is relatively easy.
If you are a pollster, you want your poll to reflect the population of whatever it is you are trying to survey. So let's look at one common characteristic of political polling: party identification.
So if all of the polls on party identification say the makeup of the electorate looks something like this:
D: 31%
R: 24%
I: 40%
U: 5%
As a pollster, you want your poll to look as close to that as you possibly can. That is why the post-debate snap polls for CNN were inherently flawed and like an ethical news organization, Blitzer reported the flaw almost every time he referenced the poll.
But nevertheless, you run your poll and it looks like this instead: D:30%, R:33%, I:32%, U:5%
That means that you have an unrepresentative sample. So if you are diligent, what you will try to do is sample 1 Democrat response twice to result in 31% representation and sample 8 Independent responses twice to correct for the original internal bias of your survey. Most will not do this. Most will simply report the original result and report the methodological error.
But that process of correction is what someone refers to when they mention oversampling.
Alternatively, you could drop a sufficient number of Republican responses selected at random to achieve the representative sample that mirrors the overall population. That process is called undersampling. Either is considered equally valid in statistical research.
Ohio knows what Obama did for them by saving the auto industry..... Ohio will deliver the states 20 electorial votes to Obama..... Obama will win a second term.
This election is over !!
GB,
Ohio only has 18 Electoral Votes.
We lost 2 as a result to the 2010 census.
You might want to check in with all of the NON-UNION people who got totally screwed bgy Obama's deal with the UAW.
MOMINNJ -
You might want to check your facts. The AGREEMENTS with the Unions had to be part of the settlement because the contract encompassed GM spin-offs that were an integral part of the supply chain. A disruption to the supply chain would have threatened the recovery.
Salary employees at the GM spin-offs were not covered by the contracts with GM - that is why they were not fully covered under the auto bailout deal.
The positive impact of the auto bailout, the improving Ohio economy, and lingering resentment over Gov. Kasich's attempt to bust the public unions will deliver Ohio for Obama.
If obama would tell the truth to the American people, that he has made Lockheed Martin want until Jan to announce they will be 123,000 people out of work, and other companies will follow, could end up with a million or more out of work come Han.
obama want military cut, he has said that time and time again, but we have no jobs to put the defense worker that lose their job in. So that mean more unemployment. Go figure!! If he cut the defense budget, peoplewill lose their jobs, and thing will trickle down to other companies that make part for the defense contractor. SO do the math!! The next four with obama will be twice as bad as his last four! He is a liar, just as the senator form shouted out.
SO if you work for a defense contractor or a company that makes parts for them, start saving a little money so you can eat come Jan. You know what happen when the defense is cut, job are lost. Some say we don't need to spend on the military as we have been, this could be right, but we need to maintain being the best and strongest military in the world. This keep the fighting off of American Soil. Plus if you cut defense budgetsl, you need to have job for these people, that could be as many as a million people out of work!,
obama want it cut, but he has no jobs for the people to take.. you cut the waste in washington, all the pork, cut the pig crap,and pig ear marks, the greed from all the congress, cut the congress auto pay raises, put them on the same obama care, same retirement plan, if they lose there job they go home get a job and work until retiree age 65+ just as everyone else.. These people are sitting on a pedestal we need to remove this and put them back on ground level with Americans.. YOu do your job or you are FIRED!! No if or but about it. Look at the record. if obama worked for a company he would have been fired 3 years ago.. Commander-in-chief, he would not make a pimple on a Commander-in-chief back side.
Go figure, if you don't work for defense, then start worrying about the trickle down these layoff will cause!!
How can you believe someone that has hired a ex impeach president to explain things for him. Slick willy(bill clinton) is one of the biggest liars of all time, even rape women, and lied about sex to every court, judge and most of all the American people.. Did women have rights, yes they did, the right to be sexually man handle by the president of the United States of America, as a a governor who know how many women he molested????? Believe obama and Pinocchio slick willy ( bill clinton)
Seem to me that would be enough to not vote for obama, plus his last four year of steady decline under his watch. Ooh! he brags about getting bin laden, bin was hand to him on a silver plater, by the muslim.. how else to you think American could have pull them off unnoticed!! We have skill people that did the job, the Seal. are the best. but obama is the worse.
Look at his record, can we stand another four years of this man?? four more years of decline. American will be in ruins..
He could have made jobs, opening drilling for oil, the pipeline would have been work for many people, but did he..NO. WHY??? He want America to fall. He said he drilled more than ever, but the gas prices are the highest ever!! WHY! OOooh! let me guess it bush fault. High gas prices, high food prices, higher everything prices?? WHY! high prices at the pump, make everything else go UP. The cost is just passed on to the people. But does obama care no. he said the gas price is ok! I guess so, he is not paying for any, or any food, or any medical services, or any presx medicine, his, family, congress are all free!
Seem to me it is time WE THE PEOPLE LET THEM KNOW THEY WORK FOR US, not the other way around!!
And as always it my keybnard fault!:)))
How do we know that the Pukes hate President Obama?
Ans: they have finally stopped talking about Bill Clinton.
Mr. Obama did not save the auto industry. GM went bankrupt just like they would have had Mr. Obama left them alone. How great it is that our tax dollars went to a foreign auto maker Fiat Chrysler. Ford never accepted the bailout and I commend them for that and they are doing better than GM .
GM and Chrysler were bailed out and they did not have to pay off the thousands of companies they owed. Those companies did go out of business. Those companies employed far more people that GM and Chrysler ever did. Thousand of people lost their jobs while GM received taxpayer money. Very few people here in the Midwest actually work for GM relatively. Thousand of small businesses were put out of business so that the union rank and file could toe the voting line. Don't expect 10%-20% of residents to carry the vote for Mr. Obama.
Ohio,vote early. The times,they are a changing,thanks to their A Hole Governor.
Beware, what evil lurks in the hearts of Republican men.
Gov. Romney keeps LYING until he ends up LYING on HIMSELF about the "BINDER FULL OF WOMEN" which was recommended to him by a bipartisan group as a matter of policy.......now he is playing , as if he was the ..... "KNIGHT & SHINING ARMOR".........
..........................Good luck Gov. Romney.........TRUTH IS THE BEST SUN-LIGHT.......................................................
........................................................................OBAMA/BIDEN 2012............................................................
There has never been a Presidential candidate in our 230 plus year history who has lied and flip-flopped as much as Mitt Romney has.
I don't even think the guy can differentiate anymore.
Well said G-B.........
The scarey thing is the republican Party and its supporters simply do not care if Romney isnt truthful or a man with conviction. They will cut off thier nose despite thier face simply because Prsident Obama isnt "one of them". Sad part is Willard will ignore these folks once in office and pander to the big money polluters who have invested in him. The republican supporters no nothing about Willard Romney as his positions change day to day. They would vote for Charles Manson if he were thier canidate. Sad
keep clinging to these nonsense points you idiotic libs. the only ones you are fooling are yourselves. your boy is going down like a lead submarine with a screen door.
God Bless America
Go to Amazon.com and look up binder reviews---they're hysterical and there are a thousand of them. My favorite being 6'1" myself was a guy who said his wife is 6'2" and whenever he puts her in the binder, her feet stick out!
The GOP is like George Costanza, if you believe it it's not a lie. See you're supposed to believe everything Willard tells you, because he's a businessman.
If Obama had put out a jar and told everyone to put a dollar in jar whenever they called Romney a liar, they could have paid for Obamacare and the national debt for the next 100 years.
When are you going to think for yourselves. If you put all the brains together in the whitehouse you still wouldn't have half a brain.
Since repeating the same behaviour and expecting different results is the definition of insanity...who is more insane those who buy the behaviour (record) of the last four years as progress or those who want a change in leadership all around?
Next
Romney will win by 320-330 electoral votes and by at least 52% of the popular vote
Or not
Oh, he'll win Dougy....but will CNN report it?
Wow, not even Romney has the temerity to tell a whopper that big!
A better question is when Romney loses will Fox News accept it as a fact or call it a main-stream media left-wing conspiracy?
In your dreams!
I am 68 years old. I agree that the hateful lies are unbelievable. The narrow minds..... The lack of knowledge of the tax structure.
All I can say is if Romney is elected and is able to push through his tax plan...... The US will go down over the cliff.........
By taking away tax on interest income, dividend income, capital gain income and the estate tax.... where do you think revenue would have to come from -- everyone that has to work hard for a living. This tax decrease only benefits those that have the capital wealth to keep reinvesting. But that does not mean reinvesting in small business that create jobs that means reinvesting in the finance industry to make more money that is not taxed. That means Romney will pay 0% tax and I will still pay my 24%. But it seems that no one understands that. If you can reply with facts or a different way to look at it..... I have an open mind. But I have been in the tax and finance industry for 40 years... I prepared tax returns when the rate was 52% to 75%. Do not tell me the tax will come from increased jobs.... that even supports my point of who will pay the tax.
Where is the story about the President on Comedy Central stating that the deaths of 4 Americans is not optimal?
Where's the story about how your dick is not optimal?
wait until mondays debate the not optimal comment will come back to bite the failure in chief on his clueless a$$.
Clark is thinking about the facts, and the election. (Republican)
Doug is thinking about Clark's dick. (Democrat)
since he did not say that im thinking that is why it is not being reported. but repubs lie about everything so i know you will keep lying
semantics. If you watched the interview, it was perfectly in keeping with the conversation. Obama has called the deaths a tragedy multiple times...do you want him to rend his garments and wail each time he mentions the killings?
The most significant event in the 2012 presidential election remains the Romney miracle bump after the first debate. If Mr. Romney wins the election, analysts and scholars will spend years picking apart the Denver debate the way they have the 1960 Kennedy-Nixon debate.
Richard Nixon didn't lose that election because of his five o'clock shadow, and Barack Obama isn't going to win or lose his presidency because he lacks intensity. What we learned on Long Island is that Mr. Obama lacks something more damaging to an incumbent—a sense of presidential responsibility.
One of the most familiar Obama positions—repeated at every campaign stop—is that he "inherited" a bad economy from George W. Bush. Set aside that whatever the cause, everyone concedes he took over a tough situation. More to the point is Mr. Obama's compulsive insistence that anything awry in the economy during his first term is "not my fault."
He inherited a congress that has block everything put on the table to help this country.
The GOP signed a pact that said "Non co operation on any Democratic bill placed on the table.
Even Veteran Affairs. The people GWB sent to the wrong country to avenge 911.
BS. jb roth The term Congress includes the Democrtic controlled Senate. The House swung sharply Republican because U.S. citizens wanted to neuter Obama in November, 2010. That is why Obama's bark has resembled that of a chihuahua ever since.
Jim, they like to forget that. They just parrot the talking points. Libs, you need to remember what the TEA party stands for. (not what libs decided they stand for.) It is hard for the TEA patry to gather like OWS, because they are busy working and paying taxes.
Despite the best efforts of sycophantic teleprompter pole stroking psuedojournalists like those here at MSNBC, not to mention being the first 'billion dollar' POTUS candidate, this turd is fighting for His political life.
Too phucking funny, I cannot wait to watch Chrissy, Rachel, Ed, Larry, and Rev Al spontaneously combust at around 11 pm election night when B Hussein Obomba calls Romney to congratulate him on his win.
,'-D
Wow! Angry racist, and a hater. And if Obama wins what will you do then? Oh dear.
I'm sooooooo very sick of the "mainstream media" depicting Obama as a wonderful, intelligent, and loving "American". I say BULL! And, I've never in all my years seen any president (did not capitalize on purpose) and first lady "play the media" like the Obamas! They are on virtually every TV show possible. And, reporters rarely say anything nice about Romney or Ryan whereas Obama seems to be "their God". That's sickening! It also appears they want to make certain Obama wins!
He'll be an angry RED (faced) conservative...Oh My ;)
Some day....I dream and pray, of the day.....that we become ONE color.....and what a wonderful world that would be (yes, I'm a fantasy go getter...maybe why I smile a lot :)
WOW, were angry racists and haters because we don't believe the way you do? LOL that's how the dems think!!!
First and foremost, Happy belated Birthday, Feisty! Sorry I missed it yesterday.
Second, to Angry White Conservative: If you hate MSNBC so much, why are you here? Why do you watch MSNBC if you hate it so much? Why aren't you over at Faux Noise where it's all Teapublican talking points all the time?
You are an angry hateful racist.
I think your sheets are showing. Don't forget to send your pointed hat to the laundry for more starch.
Its not that he's a Republican,it's that he's grossly dishonest. Your backing the wrong horse.
@Angry white conservative, And then you'll wake up and realize you were dreaming and your president isn't the white republican clown you thought he was!
am 68 years old. I agree that the hateful lies are unbelievable. The narrow minds..... The lack of knowledge of the tax structure.
All I can say is if Romney is elected and is able to push through his tax plan...... The US will go down over the cliff.........
By taking away tax on interest income, dividend income, capital gain income and the estate tax.... where do you think revenue would have to come from -- everyone that has to work hard for a living. This tax decrease only benefits those that have the capital wealth to keep reinvesting. But that does not mean reinvesting in small business that create jobs that means reinvesting in the finance industry to make more money that is not taxed. That means Romney will pay 0% tax and I will still pay my 24%. But it seems that no one understands that. If you can reply with facts or a different way to look at it..... I have an open mind. But I have been in the tax and finance industry for 40 years... I prepared tax returns when the rate was 52% to 75%. Do not tell me the tax will come from increased jobs.... that even supports my point of who will pay the tax.
@ Angry White Conservative,
You can always tell when someone is angry with nothing credible to say because their rhetoric is full of adjectives without any facts.....just like you. They might occasionally sprinkle half truths with lies. At best, they appear neurotic. And at worst, they appear to be a delusional crack pot.
Your rhetoric has much in common with those within the TEA Party/GOP because Democrats are beating those Republicans over political positions appealing to the majority of America. Like the article says, "Obama has a firewall within the swing states". Got it? Without those swing states, Republicans are screwed and tahtooed........it will be Romney calling Obama to congradulate him. And your delusions will be freed. "The truth shall set you free".
It (Health Care) will be their (GOP) Waterloo...........
Obama/Biden 2012
This election brought to you by "sesame street and the big letter O and 16 trillion"
Letter O for Obstructionist House of Representatives.
Congress owns the $16 trillion number.
It does not matter who wins the Presidency unless there is a change over in the Congress. We need a complete replacement of those who "vote to find out what is inside" since we pay them very well to read, understand, and then vote on "what is inside". The most important thing we need to do in this election and the next is get rid of all the incumbents in both Houses regardless of party. We need to shake it up so the old power structures are disrupted and the old timers are shipped home. These tottering old men and women have made a mess out of our country and it is high time they are put out to pasture.
Something to consider in this election.
Start with the Tea Baggers and the garbage truck they drove in on.
The trailer trash and the old Dixiecrat's must go. People must review voting records and vote
in their best interest to delete the spam.
"Is this campaign about one region and one region alone?"
Obama has had the East Coast and West Coast locked up, Romney has the SouthWest
and deep South locked up, Of course the election will depend on Middle America voting.
Romney has been doing his best to turn his "Extremely Conservative" campaign into the
Moderate campaign it needs to be to win, Not easy since that darn video tape invention
Obama can push with his own record in these automobile industry heavy States and win
VOTE for yourself, NOT a D or an R
Bo, Romney is already trying revisionist history in the midwest---somehow the people there seem to remember what really happened.
Is New Mexico in the Southwest? Neither candidate is campaigning here because President Obama has The Land of Enchantment locked up.
Obama/Biden in a landslide!!
@Bo...very correct on the D-R thing!...
Huge mess doesn't disappear in only 4 years, mistakes YES, have been made, but then how is it that a person learns ??? by their mistakes.
There is not ONE person, that can TRULY say....if THEY would have been in seat, things would be *peachy keen* right now, and every American would be smiling....No body was born with a magic wand in hand....and just because you can run a good business does not mean you can run a good country...I think WE have a lot of soul searching with this election.
Team work is like common sense...seems we've lost it?
Speaking as an Expatriated Republican my objection among many others is his dishonesty.
The party left me years ago with the racism and birth-er crap. They cannot believe that a black man
is the Commander and Chief. They are looking to Mitt as the great white hope. They backed the wrong horse
again.
am 68 years old. I agree that the hateful lies are unbelievable. The narrow minds..... The lack of knowledge of the tax structure.
All I can say is if Romney is elected and is able to push through his tax plan...... The US will go down over the cliff.........
By taking away tax on interest income, dividend income, capital gain income and the estate tax.... where do you think revenue would have to come from -- everyone that has to work hard for a living. This tax decrease only benefits those that have the capital wealth to keep reinvesting. But that does not mean reinvesting in small business that create jobs that means reinvesting in the finance industry to make more money that is not taxed. That means Romney will pay 0% tax and I will still pay my 24%. But it seems that no one understands that. If you can reply with facts or a different way to look at it..... I have an open mind. But I have been in the tax and finance industry for 40 years... I prepared tax returns when the rate was 52% to 75%. Do not tell me the tax will come from increased jobs.... that even supports my point of who will pay the tax.
The truth of the last 4 years will blast through that "firewall". If the press will report it.
Of course they won't report it. But the press does not realize that Americans aren't dumb and can see for themselves that things aren't "better" no matter what Obama says.
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It sure will but Fox New won't even consider it. Theyare too worried about Romney being elected so they have to pretend what he stands for. Just think of all the info out there about Romney and people still vote for him. He is worse than John Kerry ever was or dreamed tobe and I didn't think they should vote for him either. Romney is your republicans Kerry except he lies more than Kerry ever thought of. I don't know if Kerry pretended he shopped at dollar stores and then wore those clothese and shot varmits or not. Excuse me while I go fetch a varmit for lunch. While my husband washes and irons his cheap shirts.
Mom in NJ if you're not better off than you were 4 years ago then you're either lazy, have zero skills, or have no education.
I think that's called a "typical Republican voter", Gawker!
I will assume from your post that your definition of "truthful" reporting is Faux entertainment. I have watched almost every news station, read almost every news magazine. I include European news sources in my review. I verify facts, check sources, reread quotes from the original reports. Having said all that, Faux is NOT truthful. They slant, spin and flat out lie about a whole lot of things. If you hear it on Faux, you should probably assume that it isn't true until it has been verified through other, more legitimate sources. Yes, yes, I know, MSNBC is biased, too. I agree. I don't rely on MSNBC for objective reporting. But that is the difference between the right and the left. I may watch MSNBC and enjoy their biases, but I do recognize the bias and look elsewhere for more objective analysis and facts.
New Gawker,
Mom in NJ if you're not better off than you were 4 years ago then you're either lazy, have zero skills, or have no education.
You just offended 23 million unemployed Americans...great job there with your clueless, ignorant post. Most of the country wants to work...it is the policies of Congress, and the White House that are preventing that dream. I ask you to have a little compassion, tolerance and understanding since you claim to be a Democrat and are an embarrassment to the nation and your party.
notsosure,are you a hooker?
SORRY,that last comment was meant for new gawker
I am over 60 yrs of age and must say that this has been the most disgusting Presidential election campagain that I have ever experienced. The name calling, the lies, the stretching of the truth by both sides makes US politics look foolish. We need to clean up this act fast or we will look even more foolish in the future.
Fact check that!
Pete, welcome to Politics where there are Polls, More Polls and Just Plain Lies!
Mark Twain said there are lies, damned lies and statistics.
If you review history, elections are always punctuated by misrepresentations, exaggerations and hyperbole.
If the election results were based on hard core facts with no embellishments, neither party would look good at all. There is plenty of blame to go around. We don't need blame, though, we need a congress and a president who are willing to work hard to do the affordable best for the country. The debt needs to go down, our credit rating as a nation needs to return to the top. We need a coherent foreign policy that benefits the US no matter who it pisses off. We need more jobs, saleable houses for a rational price, safe (but not ridiculous) cars and good schools.
No matter how you dress it up, I don't think the last 4 years have accomplished any of that. I don't think the ones who are better off after the last 4 years come close to the numbers of the ones that are worse off.
I've heard it suggested that the US be split into two different nations permanently. Liberal and conservative based on current orientation. If a person is honest, it doesn't take much thought to see which one would be financially solvent, militarily safe with the freedom of speech.
One would have lower taxation. Guess which one. One would have a strong military. Guess which one. One would favor business and industry in order to create jobs. Guess which one. One would have a huge percentage of public assistance and welfare dependent citizens. Guess which one. One would have gay marriage, and anyone could vote as often as desired. One would see to it that freedoms apply evenly without extra rights for various voting groups. One would have law and order, citizens could own guns as their constitution allows. One would have vicious criminal gangs terrorizing a helpless unarmed citizenry.
Be honest and guess which of these would belong to which nation.
If you can understand the fact that pro-wrestling is fake, then it should not be hard to see that the (s)lection process from nomination of your so-called "chioices," to canned "debates" run by "Presstitutes" to the count, which can easily be manipulated in touch-screen voting machines. There is not a dimes worth of difference between Robama and Obamney: you can take 666 on forehead or your right hand as dictated by the "two-horned/"two-partied professional hysteria acting as a dialectic, to paraphrase Revelation 13:11-18. It is ALL A FRAUD!!!! When the HELL are you people going to WAKE THE HELL UP???? You have a bastard son of likely Frank Marshall Davis, born in Kenya, and raised with a Kenyan in Indosnesia. You have a Draft-Dodger doing his missionary work in caffeine addicted, wine drinking, sexually loose France. Nothing is going to CHANGE but for the worse, and the American people end up getting short-changed like they have from the Obamination Administration, both Bu@!$%#S, POS Clinton, traitorous Reagan, and so on. The only good US President, one who had a heart for the American people, was assassinated by the self-same Military Industrial Complex, that his predecessor Eisenhower warned about in his farewell address.
America is a divided and conquered nation. A police-state rises up all around you, one with technological terrors that would make Hitler, Stalin, and Mao drool. You are surrendering your rights for security, and will end up having neither, realizing then that you have been had!!! 9-11 was an inside-job, all of the shootings are an inside job, whether in spirit(DEMON) or in deed, "Qui Bono?" who benefits is still the same. You are looking at THE BEAST America!! If you are still thinking in the false Left/Right paradigm, you are worshipping THE BEAST and his IMAGE/WORLDVIEW.
Repent America!!
KuKulKan, Quetzocoatl, aka Jesus Christ for President as a write-in in 2012!!
Break the Spell that sends to Hell!!
Do you still belong to the flat earth society. You should call Allen West and compare notes. You
can share the same ward together at Chattahoochee
"REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT ON THE DEATHS OF U S EMBASSY STAFF IN LIBYA"
Speaking at the White House concerning the deaths of U.S. Embassy Staff in Libya on September 12, the day after the Benghazi attack President Obama told the American people:
"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."
On September 13, at a campaign event in Las Vegas, Obama vowed to bring the killers to justice. He then added, "No act of terror will dim the light of the values that we proudly shine on the rest of the world, and no act of violence will shake the resolve of the United States of America."
I am 68 years old. I agree that the hateful lies are unbelievable. The narrow minds..... The lack of knowledge of the tax structure.
All I can say is if Romney is elected and is able to push through his tax plan...... The US will go down over the cliff.........
By taking away tax on interest income, dividend income, capital gain income and the estate tax.... where do you think revenue would have to come from -- everyone that has to work hard for a living. This tax decrease only benefits those that have the capital wealth to keep reinvesting. But that does not mean reinvesting in small business that create jobs that means reinvesting in the finance industry to make more money that is not taxed. That means Romney will pay 0% tax and I will still pay my 24%. But it seems that no one understands that. If you can reply with facts or a different way to look at it..... I have an open mind. But I have been in the tax and finance industry for 40 years... I prepared tax returns when the rate was 52% to 75%. Do not tell me the tax will come from increased jobs.... that even supports my point of who will pay the tax.
Thank you for your comments. I wish the government would go back to the tax rates of president Clinton. Most of my income is investment income and know my taxes would go up. However, could we also lower the spending of our government and work to balance our budget? I am happy to pay more taxes if I would see progress on the national debt.
The current president wants to continue to spend money we do not have. I am simply not willing to pay more taxes if it is flushed down a hole. I plan to vote for Romney with the hope that their primary goal is to reduce the deficit. As you know this is impossible if you do not raise taxes in some way regardless of any assumed growth.
The president has no plan for decreasing the deficit in terms of cutting spending. I simply have to vote for Romney because they at least talk about reducing spending. All of us vote for the person who we hope is lieing the least.
I would vote for Ron Paul if it would make a difference.