If only comedians were politicians

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlLslb-Royo&feature=related

IMO many politicans are comedians, whether they or their constituents are aware of it...

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I came from a real tough neighborhood. I put my hand in some cement and felt another hand.

RD

Are you backtracking on your apology now?

Haha...You changed what you wrote...I was looking for "good news bad news jokes and when I returned your post had been edited...no twisting, just 4 minutes to change what you initially wrote...

Honesty is the best policy, whichever team you play for...

BH: Are you backtracking on your apology now?

No. I take full responsibility.

@Pigotry:

Are we nameing are favorite Winston Chuchill quotes?

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”

O.K.

The NRA takes aim with its ads constantly at our President. Romney's son threatened physical violence against our President and now they want to appear non violent? Give me a break! Most people are NOT violent racist bigots if they are Republicans. However if you are a violent racist bigot, you are a Republican. The civil rights issues of the 1960's collected all these racist bigots and their offspring into the Republican ranks 50 years ago. It will take a while before their violent hatred subdues.

A joke is a very serious thing.

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Winston Churchill

JoAnnaSmith1

Thanks bcwc - Gingrich and DeMint are off my contribution list. Like they were ever on them.

You a big fan of Clinton bcwc?

He was an excellent president and his wife will be one also if she runs ... as to blowjobs? Europeans do not get their knickers all knotted up over infidelities. The Puritans left our shores long ago.

Can't tell if Pigotry is serious or not

The preference cascade has begun.

Spanky-

The action packs are a real convenience...mine has "dawn dish washing liquid"

Or did you mean the hair coloring?

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Mr. Attlee is a very modest man. Indeed he has a lot to be modest about.

Winston Churchill

BCWC...well said

Dangerfield funny you quote Churchill however my lefty FR Friends are more inclined to cite 'Il Principe'

JS1, yeah dont expect much from Ikarus, his wax wings are starting to melt the higher he climbs.

Those who distill their betters into a single insulting charactercures should avoid mirrors like the plague...

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Biden just says he came up with the idea.

Biden has a thing for Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Those who distill their betters into a single insulting charactercures should avoid mirrors like the plague...

but i am merely an observer. besides my glasshouse is underwater

Spanky,

Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrich and Starr were all screwing around on their marriages during that whole ordeal. They are all men whores. Difference between the three is that Bill Clinton was an excellent leader along side being a horrible husband. The only person he owes anything to is Hillary. Not me. Not you. And every man or woman on these posts who has ever had an affair understands "I did not have sex with that woman"! So give it a break already. It's 20 years old and you are much smarter than all three men combined I suspect since you are a fellow Californian. I don't rate someone's smarts according to their sex life or marital status.

But then you are not the intended foil, Neptune...

Why is this joint like oz?

JAS1

As old as the rock at Plymouth are ye?

But then you are not the intended foil, Neptune...

Im glad to know that i am not a polynomial.

Why is this joint like oz?

more like Wonderland

Petunia,

Thank you for sharing with me, my response to future events.

...more like Wonderland

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I'm thinking the Val Kilmer movie , but you're probably just thinking of the inspiration for a classic Jefferson Airplane tune...

And I never called you Polly...

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JAS1

bcwc - Still okay with that workplace sexual harassment? Good for you.

An entirely stupid comment by you. But enlighten me, are you talking about Paula or Monica?

I'm thinking the Val Kilmer movie

that one didnt end too well (homicide?) if i think its the same im thinking. I'll take the Grace slick version.

I don't care what side of the aisle you are on. And I like Joe Biden.

Quit using language like this, in this day and age, it is inappropriate.

. And I like Joe Biden.

it is fitting given your persona on FR.

Quit using language like this, in this day and age, it is inappropriate.

what language would that be?

Will someone please explain to me how Biden's comment was "over the top" but they never even commented on Nugent's crap. Why didn't they raise this much hell about the Nugent comments? Could it be their partisanslip is showing?

LOL. I LOVE Joe Biden.

I have an idea for the Romney campaign, ignore Joe and release some damn details in how they'll pay for their tax cuts and increased military spending. Asking for my vote based on trust isn't going to happen. You are asking me to fire Obama and hire you, yet you won't give me a good reason to.

Romney, weeks ago you promised more details.... where are they? I suspect the devil is in the details and you don't want me to know before the election....

And Romney's son wanted to take a SWING at President Obama after the second debate....so!!

I thought Republicans loved guns. And putting reticles over districts they wanted to take. And the NRA.

"Etch-a-sketchy" ....BRILLIANT!

Biden summarized the entire Republican campaign this year. Who knew Ol' Joe had jokes that good?

Obama/Biden 2012

Worse than Joe;s bullets comment is Obama's horrendous gaffe on the Daily Show calling the deaths of 4 Americans,including a US Ambassador "Not optimal"

NOT OPTIMAL???? There is cool and detached and there is just being cold hearted.

What a complete waste of indignation. The GOP and Fox news do this whenever the news cycle isn't quite what they want. With apologies to Roy Williams, they are like the North Carolina basketball team. "We were fouled. Give us a free throw. Technical! Give us free throws and the ball. We shoot free throws so well. It's what we live for." Those over privileged pugnacious little GOP turd blossoms have no shame. But Candy Crowley was their referee from hell. She had the gaul to say that Little Lord Fauntleroy was WRONG. She had the gaul to ask him to stick to the format. And then Obama said authoritatively, "Proceed Guvna." Romney looked like he wanted to kill somebody when that debate was over. The truth about Biden is that he is old school like Harry Truman. The GOP hated Truman and lambasted him incessantly about how he wasn't "refined," and how much gaul he had to fire McArthur - who had TWICE directly disobeyed presidential orders. (Read William Manchester re the Bonus Marchers.) Anyway, Biden doesn't want any damn free throw. He doesn't want to bow or curtsy. He just wants to give 'em hell. And he has. And women are fine with that. And women don't think Obama was mean on Tuesday. But women would like to keep the right wing from probing their vaginas. And they would like the pugnacious little turd blossoms to pay them appropriately for their work.

Should Biden be arrested for terroristic threats!? Someone pepper spray him, knock him down, put a knee on his neck, and cuff him.

He is a dangerous, threatening man. Thank you.

~Faux News

Ignore Biden. That bitter old white man did have a stroke. He is certifiably brain damaged, if it's not blatantly obvious to anyone who observes him for 3 minutes.

Biden is a complete idiot and has always been part of the problem in Washington. Only liberals applaud him because they believe the rhetoric while ignoring reality. Here is what liberals can take to the bank if Obama is re-elected. The Bush tax cuts will expire for everyone. That is exactly what Obama wants to happen and he is poised to make it a reality with the prospect of blaming Republicans.

Since Obama has said he will veto any bill that does not increase the taxes on the top earners, and Republicans in the house say no tax increases period, the stage is set. Obama will never see a bill to veto since the Senate under Harry Reid will never send him one. So the tax cuts will automatically expire for everyone, the automatic cuts in spending will be across the board, and Obama will claim he had nothing to do with it.

But tax increases is what he wants, and he knows that unless the Bush tax cuts expire for the middle class, the revenue generated will be a drop in the bucket. The middle class tax cuts are where the real revenue is and Obama knows it. Everyone will see major tax increases under Obama, and it will happen in January. This has been a well thought out and calculated strategy by Obama, he gets the tax increases he wants, and he feels no one can blame him.

What a draft dodging BOZO - - maybe a nice clown suit once he leaves office!!!

"Bullets are aimed at you". Shut up GOP, Biden was right in saying that?

Hmm...hmmm...hey Pigotry, what would Gabby Giffords say about that?

More hypocrisy from the sheep.

"beyonddemocrat", Harry S. Truman was possibly one of the biggest idiots to inhabit the w.h., and "refinement" has nothing to do with being a president. Lincoln was raised in a log cabin, and worked on a railroad long before he became a lawyer. And yet he became one of the greatest, and most eloquent presidents we have ever had. "Bite Me" Biden wouldn't know eloquency if it bit him on his behind. And as for your Crowely comment, it was blatenly obvious that she was in Obama's pocket from the get-go. She even stated this as a fact herself, ex post facto, which is the typical m.o. for you silly, deluded liberals. As for your "faux indignation", pshaw. The fact of the matter is, the progressive/liberal/democrats see the writing on the wall, and these little "turd blossems" are in fact, scrambling to salvage what's left of a dismal three years, and eleven months. Oh, and try not to hurt yourself when dismounting from your "high horse".

"Here is what I will say -- if four Americans get killed, it is not optimal. And we are going to fix it."

"And what happens during the course of a presidency, you know, the government is a big operation -- at any given time, something screws up and you make sure you find out what's broken and you fix it."

"we weren't confused about the fact that four Americans had been killed. I wasn't confused about the fact that we needed to ramp up diplomatic security around the world right after it happened."

"I wasn't confused about the fact that we were going to hunt down whoever did it and bring them to justice. So, as I said during the debate, nobody is more interested in figuring this out than I am."

All are Barack Obama words..... brave Americans DIED & Mr Obama thinks they were "not optimal"

Goodbye Barry.... take your wife & kids back to Chicago.............

blackcatwhitecat says.......

"He was an excellent president and his wife will be one also if she runs ... as to blowjobs? Europeans do not get their knickers all knotted up over infidelities. The Puritans left our shores long ago."

It isn't the blowjobs that I have a problem with. It was the looking the American people in the eye and lying about it. A man who will cheat on his wife will cheat at cards and just about anything else.

keep in mind this idiot biden is a heartbeat away from being president. that fact alone should make everyone with a functioning brain stem think twice before voting in this election.

I thought after the Gabby Giffords shooting we were supposed to act with "civility" and not make references to shooting or "target on their back"? But our VICE-PRESIDENT uses an analogy that the other party wants to SHOOT the people? I guess the request for "civility" doesn't apply to Democrats.

Although I am not surprised by the comment it is very disappointing. It will be such a blessing when in January Romney and Ryan will take over the role of president and vice-president. Then we will restore dignity and respect back to the president, vice-president, White House, and administration.

The verbal attacks by Obama and Biden are disrespectful and nauseating. But when Obama can't run on his record that is all he has left.............

I keep hearing Republicans asking what Obama's plan for the future is. How is he going to get the economy going. I think that would be very very obvious. In order for Obama to take the United States forward for the next 4 years, he needs to keep Republicans out of the White House so they don't take us further back. What part of that plan doesn't Republicans understand? After all Obama did win a Nobel Peace Prize for that very accomplishment when winning the White House in the first place!

As far as Biden's concerned the Republicans are praying Joe gaffes bad enough to push the Republican campaign into the running because that is all their game plan has besides tons of money from Citizens United. And even the money isn't enough.

This is no different than Palin's "target" remark fro which she was crucified. What a bunch of hypocrites.

GaryColumbus

I keep hearing Republicans asking what Obama's plan for the future is. How is he going to get the economy going. I think that would be very very obvious. In order for Obama to take the United States forward for the next 4 years, he needs to keep Republicans out of the White House so they don't take us further back. What part of that plan doesn't Republicans understand?

Umm....putting "my party" into power isn't a real plan to fix the economy - it's just more partisan politics.

I agree Romney's plan is "sketchy", but it has more detail than Obama's. All I hear from Obama is "tax the rich" - that's not a real plan, that's just a talking point.

All are Barack Obama words..... brave Americans DIED & Mr Obama thinks they were "not optimal"

You left out the context where Jon Stewart asked if the security at the consulate was not "optimal." Obama was just pointing out that any situation in which Americans die can be described as not optimal.

If the GOP thinks Clinton was so bad for his indiscretions...

...then why were so many of them lined up behind Newt just a few months ago? His indiscretions were 10x as bad as Clinton's, and they were occurring at the same time he was pointing the finger!

jesus h nipple, it's seems that TWO-FACED HYPOCRISY is a REQUIRED TRAIT to be a Republican!

Shawn: You are correct - it was "not optimal". It was "tragic". It was a "terrorist action". It was "an attack". It was "appalling". It was "disastrous". It was "deplorable". It was "intolerable". It was "grievous". It was "distressing". It was "outrageous". It was "upsetting". And I can go on and on. But Obama chose the word "optimal"?

When asked by a comedian if the security was not "optimal" is Obama not smart enough to use a word that is more relevant? Obama should have said "the word to use is not 'not optimal' - this terrorist attack was appalling and deplorable. We will not rest until these terrorist are found and punished for their involvement". THAT would have been presidential.

It amazes me how many speak of Obama's "intelligence" but all I see is an incompetent person who can't put a rational sentence together without a teleprompter. "Not optimal"?? Are you KIDDING me?? THAT is all this incompetent president can reply to a COMEDIAN??

It will be SO NICE when we get respect back to the office of president and vice-president when Romney and Ryan assume office in January. We have lost the last 4 years with this incompetent and pathetic president. But this nightmare will be over in just a few weeks when Romney/Ryan win this election...............

"Today's over-the-top rhetoric by Vice President Biden is disappointing, but not all that surprising," Buck wrote. "In the absence of a vision or a plan to move the country forward, the Vice President is left only with ugly political attacks beneath the dignity of the office he occupies."

While this can generally be characterized as Joe just being Joe, say what you want about Obama but it's frightening to think that a total clown like Biden is a heartbeat away from the presidency.

DMorgan: You see this is the problem with Democrats - they don't even KNOW the reason Clinton was impeached. You CONTINUE to say Clinton's issues were his getting a "Lewinsky" and comparing that to Newt getting a divorce. But what you DON'T understand is I don't give a tiny rat's behind if Clinton got a "Lewinsky". Lord knows that wife of his won't so if that is what he wants then have a good time. The problem is he LIED UNDER OATH!! It was not the "Lewinsky" it was the LIE!! Newt never lied. So get your story straight and understand WHY Clinton was impeached.

DMorgan,

Perhaps it's because he PERJURED himself...forget the crap of him being a pig to his wife. He was a lawyer and thought he was too "slick" to lie under oath... THAT'S the difference!

Clinton was impeached for no other reason than the right wing had a hate hard on for him.

I agree Romney's plan is "sketchy", but it has more detail than Obama's. All I hear from Obama is "tax the rich" - that's not a real plan, that's just a talking point.

I know it's exhausting to read really long documents, but the actual budget proposal is on the Office of Management and Budget website.

I hope it explains why a lot of people are confused why some people think the President doesn't have details when, in fact, there are 250 odd pages just on cuts to spending.

Not to mention the proposal would cut the 10-year deficit by about $5.2 trillion... basically halving it and bringing it to 2.8% of GDP by 2022.

On the economy front, the administration has said it will continue to pursue the AJA (American Jobs Act), cut taxes for small businesses seeking to expand (which includes an exemption on capital gains), provide additional funding for SBIDC, grant tax credits for employers to provide healthcare and raise wages, and a lot of infrastructure proposals.

In any case, there's no dearth of details in the President's plan for the next four years.

culheath,

Yeah...right...keep on believing that fairy tale...

But Obama chose the word "optimal"?

He didn't choose that word. He was asked, directly, if the security wasn't optimal. Is he supposed to be some sort of thesaurus?

He gave a frank interview directed to his base. The Presidency would grow tiring if the officeholder waxed poetic about every issue all the time. That's not presidential, levelling with the public is.

It was not the "Lewinsky" it was the LIE!! Newt never lied. So get your story straight and understand WHY Clinton was impeached.

Why was he in a position to perjure himself on that issue in the first place? There was no justification for even asking him about his relations with Monica Lewinsky.

Another day, another gaffe.

"Joe just needs to be Joe."

Steve: "If anyone made the same comment toward the Vice President... you'd be BEHIND BARS"

With respect, B.S!

2 words: Ted Nugent.

Case closed

Stupid Joe...or as he's more recently known "Chuckles the Clown" strikes again...although his 'bullets' gaffe pails in comparison to his speech yesterday where he continually spoke about the last ten years' wars in "Iraq and IRAN".

Yup...that's right, even though I was completely unaware that we've been fighting in Iran for the past 10 years. Must be reading the wrong newspapers !

Not only did Chuckles eduacate his audience on our battles in Iran...he said he knows people who have fought there and even some families who have lost family members there.

But we need to let his repeatedly erroneous message slide...there's a lot fewer letters in "Iran" than there are in "Afghanistan"...so it's easier for someone like Biden to both spell and remember.

ParkWayne: "What a draft dodging BOZO -"

Show some respect for Governor Romney!

Probiz: "Newt never lied."

SERIOUSLY??? Have you talked to any of his ex-wives? Case closed.

C'mon guys! Every man that has an affair lies. But not every man has to stand up in court and perjure himself to do it.

Personally, I could give a rat's ass about anyone's private sex life--no matter if he's the President or the plumber. And do you really want a President who does not have the ability to lie e.g. to your enemy--say Iraq or Iran? Give it a break!

Even a personal secretary must lie well, "My boss is unavailable...he's in a meeting..., etc."

Grow up!

Shawn...

When the President is making comments that are "directed to his base" he should stick to words spelled with five letters or less...it'll get too confusing otherwise.

Just for giggles bcwc, can you enumerate when it is okay and not okay to lie while 1) under oath, 2)to your family, and for politicians, 3) to the American people? And are you for or against sexual harassment in the work place

Just for giggles, could you tell us which of the two options you prefer below:

[a] A President very faithful to his wife, but leaves the country in two lost wars, a deep economic crisis and a 1.4 trillion deficit that it took Obama four years to get under a trillion.

[b] A President who is a slimeball and lies about his personal affairs, even under oath, but leaves the country with a surplus, the greatest peacetime economic expansion the country has ever known, a really vibrant and strong economy, and peace with the rest of the world.

Max...

Who cares about Newt Gingrich right now ? He has nothing to do with Stupid Joe Biden and I'm sure he's very pleased about that.

I see nothing wrong with the bullets statement if Eddie Munster was dumb enough to use plagiarism by naming his book "Young guns" after a 1988 movie. Trying to capitalize on a name to push a book is cheap. Maybe referring to Paul Ryan as Eddie Munster may seem cheap to some but it's who he reminds me of. Eddie Munster after he grew up.

@ ProBusiness

If you are so outraged that Clinton lied under oath about a sex act that hurt no one but his family why are you not more upset that Bush lied in front of congress to draw us into a war that hurt many families? It does not make any sense that you would be so against a lie from one without being equally upset about a lie from another unless it's strictly politics and you feel it's alright for someone in your party to lie.

Now as for the reason Clinton was impeached...politics...plain and simply...politics. Why did the Republicans spend so much of the taxpayers money on Whitewater when they knew there was nothing there? Politics. Why did they expand the investigation outside of Whitewater? Politics. I just wish they had went after G W Bush and Cheney with the same aggression as they did after Clinton and see how they would have fared. We'll never know but I do know that was the time I changed my political preference and I've despised what the Republicans have done to this country with their evil greed of money and war.

Shawn: It seems like the last 4 years all I ever hear from the president and virtually every entry on forums (like yours) are excuses excuses excuses excuses excuses and excuses. And this president blames everything from ATM's to Sasquatch for his ongoing and daily failures. What he says - there are excuses. What he does - there are excuses. Why the economy is stagnant - more excuses. Unemployment too high - somebody else's fault. And you feed into that excuse mentality. And, quite frankly, I am tired of it.

Time to get a president in the White House that will actually take responsibility for what he has done (or not done). Obama is useless and "leading from behind" is not a strategy. Blaming others for failures is not presidential. THAT is why we need Romney and Ryan elected in just a few weeks. So we can bring dignity and responsibility BACK to the White House.

Larry: Typical Liberal diversion. Liberals don't like criticism of their Messiah or Bumbling Joe so how can they divert the discussion? Easy - bring up "the wars". Or bring up "weapons of mass destruction". But you have one tiny problem with that argument - Bush didn't lie. There has been NO evidence Bush lied. He relayed intelligence information and sometimes the intelligence information is wrong. THAT is not a lie - that is an error in the intelligence. Maybe you are not aware but there is a BIG difference between a "lie" and an "error".

So maybe if you are going to use the "liberal diversion" idea maybe JUST MAYBE you use something that is actually relevant?

Pro...

Like anyone else, this President has some good qualities and some bad qualities. The one quality that he does not possess that is critical for a poilitical leader is "leadership ability".

How about what Obama is doing in the UN that will allow the UN to tax ALL internet use? yeah that's right he is supporting a treaty to tax the internet across the world so the money can be used for poor kids in Africa and other poor nations. He is also supporting another treaty that taxes all use of international waters. Yeah this's right, want to drill in the ocean you pay a tax to the UN.... That sure will help gas prices. And the third treaty he is supporting is a small arms ban across the world that he thinks will supperceed our second amendment.... Yes this A-hole is using the UN to shrink the USA. Get your facts people... This is true and the vote comes up during the Lame Duck session.... Look it up you blind liberal morons

I didn't think it possible for Republican skin to get even thinner than it already is, but this BS proves me wrong.

What a bunch of losers.

Oh, it's OK for Romney's offspring to say that they wanted to assault a seated president, but not cool to mention that Screech was gunning for the elderly. I get it now.

Romney is NOT presidential. I don't need another boss...I need a president. Yes, there is a difference...a BIG difference.

Tony:

Max...Who cares about Newt Gingrich right now ? He has nothing to do with Stupid Joe Biden and I'm sure he's very pleased about that.

Tony, obviously ProBiz does. It was to his post I was responding.

Me--I'm with you--I have nothing to do with Newt (who names their kid after an amphibious reptile anyway?)--and to quote you, I'M VERY PLEASED ABOUT IT!

And thanks for asking.

The same people b*tching about this statement from Joe are the ones who thought Palin was well within her right when she put a shooter's crosshair target on a map of all Democratic headquarters.

Typical. It's okay for the GOP, but not okay for anyone else. Sort of like their golden parachutes and health care that the taxpayers pay for.

Obama / Biden 2012

;^)

Actually Ryans head is kinda tapered. In a prone position He might be mistaken for some sort of bullet. Probably do right well heading the scatter fired from a bullsh^t cannon. The Vice President knew what He was talking about.

Probiz: Or bring up "weapons of mass destruction". But you have one tiny problem with that argument - Bush didn't lie. There has been NO evidence Bush lied. He relayed intelligence information and sometimes the intelligence information is wrong. THAT is not a lie - that is an error in the intelligence. Maybe you are not aware but there is a BIG difference between a "lie" and an "error".

Yes, ProBiz, there is a BIG difference. That little “error” has cost us trillions of borrowed dollars, thousands of young American lives, hundreds of thousands of civilian causalities—not to mention all our wounded/paralyzed vets. And even today, as I type these words, we continue to hemorrhage hundreds of thousands of dollars and more lives, etc.—all because of this little “error,” as you call it.

The gift that keeps on giving, huh?

Give me a break. The NRA gave Obama the "Gun Salesman of the Year Award."

You Obamanites seem not to realize that you prefer two sophomoric guys with an abysmal record and no plans but lots of catchy phrases with no content to two guys with good plans and a record of success in carrying them out.

The market tends to be about six months ahead of economic reality - batten down the hatches if Obama gets re-elected. Today was twenty-five years to the day after Black Monday, 1987.

Joke from a poster I saw,fits perfectly:

"Snow White, Superman and Pinocchio are walking along. They see a sign: "Contest for World's Most Beautiful Woman." Snow White goes in, later comes out smiling, wearing a crown. They walk along and see another sign: "Contest for World's Strongest Man." Superman goes in, later comes out smiling, wearing the belt. They walk along and see a sign: "Contest for World's Greatest Liar." Pinocchio goes in, later comes out with his head down crying. "Who the hell is Mitt Romney?" Pinocchio sobs."

Obama/Biden

NPCDan:

It's so interesting to see Republicans remake history. I think the Marshall Plan, the successful prosecution of the end of WWII, the integration of the US Armed Forces, the GI Bill, and a host of other things speak very well of Harry S. Truman. And that is why most reputable historians rate him in our top ten presidents. But when your party has the likes of George W. Bush, Calvin Coolidge, Warren Harding, and Richard Nixon (an accomplished liar, a serial burglar, with admissions on tape about the Brookings Institute burglary and a recent televised statement by Jeb Magruder that Nixon in fact ORDERED the Watergate burglaries, and a loyal friend of his chief burglar and blackmailer, E. Howard Hunt; well, with four presidents like that in the past ninety years, you've got your high standards.

Al Qaeda is alive, and Ambassoder Cris Stevens is DEAD!

Maybe they can put Joe back on ice for his next debate. I know, I know, but just tell him there's going to be one.

Republicans know there's an ignorant group of 47%ers who will vote for them no matter what, so, in subliminal fashion, the republicans continue to feed that ignorant group lies, they eat it like candy, says it's good, and wants more. It doesn't matter to that republican group that those lies will hurt them, their ignorance is fueled by "Anyone but Obama," and fed by republican bulls— — _!

OBAMA/BIDEN....2012!!!!

Like Republican VP choices have anything over Biden... LOL

If Obama does lose the election - then it is because of individuals such as yourself that are fine with shooting themselves in the foot. Just don't come complaining about the pain years later!!!

JFK-2112: What a dumbazz. And people wonder why Obama's is going to lose this election.

No kidding. If Obama loses, it will be because of Stupidity. All the stupidity on the Right committing to vote for a Whackadoo Magic Underwear Mormon Cultist!

And, of course, the short memory we seem to have ---- ie: the Total Economic Catastrophe brought to us by GOP Policy and Dumbya Bush!

Republican logic is: Hey! Obama isn't cleaning up the GOP's mess quickly enough, so... LET'S RETURN TO THAT ECONOMY KILLING GOP POLICY AND DO IT AGAIN!!!

We are just a heartbeat away from crazytown

While the NRA keeps asking for support money, they seem to forget that years back their candidate did this..

In July 2004, then-Governor Romney signed legislation into law that made Massachusetts' assault weapons ban permanent and not reliant on a federal ban that expired at the end of 2004. The state issued a press release at the time, in which Romney described assault weapons as "instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people."

I'm starting to wonder did Romney buy the NRA support? Or is the NRA donating to his campaign? I keep getting requests to donate to the NRA for support and this is who they want me to back? Either way I'm screwed. The more I think about it, I'm believing the NRA simply wants funding for their execs million dollar plus salaries and benefits.

Gee - the 'target' and 'shooting' phrases used by sooo many of the Republicans in 2010 got what response from the right wing when the dems called it 'over the top', 'wrong' and 'possible incitement to violence'?

The Republicans told us how silly we were for daring to connect these things to actual violence - that it was perfectly ok and fine to use that kind of phrase in thier rhetoric.....

Yet here they are complaining and coming out of the woodwork screaming how wrong it is when a candidate utters a gun linked phrase ONCE....

What we hear are screams of 'WE REPUBLICANS ARE HYPOCRITES' loudly and clearly from thier own mouths instead of what they intended - which is to somehow declare that the VP was inappropriate.

For the life of me, I cannot fathom this blind worship of President Obama. It is surreal in that no one can really say what exactly he has done in the past four years that merits a second term. If he can fix the economy and put people back to work, why hasn't he? This Churchill quote sums up his philosophy and his first and hopefully, only term, "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." The intent seems to be pulling down the top instead of raising up the bottom. It simply does not work. Never has, never will. If we have no expectations for those in poverty, there is nothing to which to rise. We are denying people real hope by giving them just enough to keep them dependent.

@AnaBanana

So if someone is a racist they are automatically a republican. That makes no sense at all. That just like saying that if someone is pro-life they are automatically a democrat. No logic in that statement. I recently change my party from republican to independant, but I have always supported a womens right to choose. I also despise bigotry and racism from anyone. Well have a nice day.

Snk...

It is just so simple for folks the throw the 'bigot' dart at someone...takes no intellect or effort at all in the attempt to improve what others might think about a person.

For those that do this...it does not matter who you are or what you do...they feel that if they label you a racist for whatever reason they choose, that makes you a racist.

Four dead Americans in Benghazi, Libya! In a firefight, that lasted seven hours! After three calls for help, no one from the US Command Authority. Ordered a QRF, from Italy to come to Benghazi to save American lives. And yet two US Drones were circling. The US Consulate for most of the firefight! Obama, release those, drone tapes too the American people! Why are you covering up the death's of four brave Americans. We the people deserve the truth! Not lies.

OH PUHLEEZE! I agree, meaningless, give Old Joe a break.

Whereas Big Bird, "women in binders" , and a joke by Tagg Romney are the critical national issues for the libbies..

Yep Feisty - it's probably a coincident that the huge swing in the polls really got going after Joe's tremendous victory.

You are right about the outrage - it really ought to be focused on the fact that we spend over $1T on Welfare.

That's damn near 1/2 of all the money they take in.

They are going to need a lot more of your all's 'fair share' so lean forward a little more people.

its a nontroversy and yet FR feels compelled to place the article. Well Feisty you have an IN why dont you file a grievance.

*kettlecorn

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Another nontroversy for the RWNJ's to gnaw on!

Isn't the "binders full of women" the same thing? A nontroversy for you and your liberal buddies to go crazy over.... talk about phony

#hypocrite

So, Bob, CA & Spanky ...

"In the absence of a vision or a plan to move the country forward,

Where exactly is YOUR party's plan? The specifics, the math, the details . . . . C'mon pony up something that supports your undying love for Mittens & Co.

Obama/Biden 2012

Just to put my two cents in.

Can we have an article about Romney's false claim on creating 12 million jobs in 4 years based on his 5 point plan? It's been shown to be a bunch of hooey and in one case the study his campaign points to is based TEN years out.

Here you go Layton:

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/tax

Not that hard to find if you do a little research...

Layton - my plan is very basic - get rid of the huge problem immediately in front of us.

As you know, I'm a conservative and therefore very simple minded.

undying love for Mittens & Co.

undying love? no way, im not a FR lib. sorry he's just the canidate I am pulling for. Undying love for Demigods are reserved to the FR libbies.

you want specifics but to me that is a deflection from Mr. Laser focus. I can see why you would ask, after all technically Obama's first term is the same as a potential second. Funny he wants to focus on the economy now. No seriously this time he does want to.

Where was Mitt's respect for the dignity of the office of the President of the United States during the debate? Where was that respect when Mitt said no one had ever asked him to show his birth certificate?

Sarah Palin thought it was perfectly OK to put targets on Congressional districts, including that of Gabby Giffords.

Feisty--puhleeze is right. I don't know if I had much respect left for the GOP but if I did it is gone.

And while I'm on a rant, I'm tired of hearing this "no second term agenda" BS. The President has listed many things he wants to do when he mentions unfinished business, including tax reform, education reform, energy development and manufacturing initiatives.

Sarah Palin thought it was perfectly OK to put targets on Congressional districts, including that of Gabby Giffords.

how cute but wasnt Jared Laughner a registered democrat? nice try Steeler. Funny we still have 'battle ground' states and you have no problem with that.

The President has listed many things he wants to do when he mentions unfinished business

unfinished business he started in 09. But since you want to hold him to unfinished business he also said this would be a one term prop if he didnt get this turned around. Turned around is subjective but as far as i see its not good enough. So i will help make him one term.

energy development

hows that worked out the 1st 4?

including tax reform

now he cares about corporate taxes LOL. WHere o where has our little pres been the last 4 years, its almost like he got nothing done except the ACA

PUHLEEZE

*popcorn?

Why does it take an act of God or a subpoena to get documents from this administration?

Issa is accusing the HHS of stringing his department along for months in their request for documents about an $8 billion program that pays bonuses to Medicare Advantage plans.

Issa claims the bonus program is being used to mask the first round of Medicare Advantage cuts in connection with the health care overhaul -- in order to win favor with seniors.

"It's an unbelievable abuse of power," he said Thursday. Issa said the program basically funds "what ObamaCare took away."

The program in question is called a "demonstration" project. But Issa complains the project is far more sweeping than a run-of-the-mill test program, and conveniently lasts until 2014.

"This is larger than every test they've ever done at HHS combined," Issa said.

Is this the norm in Washington?

thetotas -- ISSA is an idiot. He talks out his ass too.

He's not exactly a role model either.

Why does it take an act of God or a subpoena to get documents from this administration?

Not sure darling... check under you bed!

You all really should quit the smoking gun theory....

I, for one am tired of watching you * cough cough* independents shoot yourselves in your foot!

Tell us Toots, why can't YOU be PROUD to be a Republican?

Why are you ashamed of your party?

PS: All any new-comers to Newsvine needs to do is check out her comment history!

Independent MY ASS!

Feisty -- They ran with the chains metaphor, claiming it was meant literally. They'll do the same with this one. They're not looking for answers, they're just trying to divide people.

Both metaphors, in my opinion, were illustrative and appropriate. Now, Vermillion (#1.37) on the other hand, that's inappropriate; it's not a metaphor, it's verbalizing the wish for an actual act.

Caesar Augustus-

how cute but wasnt Jared Laughner a registered democrat? nice try Steeler. Funny we still have 'battle ground' states and you have no problem with that.

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Um,actually no. According to the Pima County Registrar of Voters Loughner was a registered Independent and after voting in the 2006 and 2008 elections was filed as "inactive" when he didn't vote in 2010.

Yet again the facts seem to be your Rubicon.

Where are the secret service people when Romney's son starts making threats against the President. That just shows how these people think that they are so special that they above everyone else even the president. Btw why would any young kid want to threaten a 50+ old man. He is as despicable as his father. I am 57 and I would like slap him for even opening his mouth.

If Tagg thinks he's such a badass they have serious manpower needs in all the military branches so he can feel free to be the first Romney to nut up and enlist.

You know,like Biden's son...

Personally I wish the silver spoon pussy had rushed the stage. Would have been hilarious watching Michelle drop him on his ass in the aisle.

TAGG this!!!!!!!!!!

@ Bob-2711464 alright I looked up Romneys Tax plan for the 10th time on his site I see nothing more than what taxes he is going to kill. Tell me how is he going to pay for it?? run up the deficit??? Kill deductions if so which ones??? You must like taking a gamble. I suggest that you educate yourself on rule by the 1% here is a good article to do so:

nytimes.com/2012/10/14/opinion/sunday/the-self-destruction-of-the-1-percent.html?pagewanted=all

Obama boot lickers are pitiable. Unless you're getting a government contract, belong to a union, or are living on an entitlement, NONE of his policies are going to help you. No wonder you people jump on the 47% remark.

Tell me this, you whinebags. Why should a middle class couple who have chosen to delay having children - because they are being responsible (the trait that is never taught by the "Tax-em till they drop" democrats) pay extra taxes to support the tax refunds of the couple making $19,000 with 4 kids at home living on foodstamps, Medicaid and public housing? That is absolutely taking from those who are working and being responsible giving to those who are irresponsible, do not take care of their own, and have not earned it. "Earned" income credit is not only a misnomer, it is theft.

We need a flat tax. And when you brilliant people gripe about the 14% that Romney paid in taxes, remember it is on capital gains. He's already paid taxes on the money once.

gdale6 - if you cannot even copy and paste a link, why in the world would anybody anywhere take your advice on money? You actually talk about "Run up the deficit?" with the current president in office. No wonder Obama got elected. You have chosen to ignore obvious facts about the deficit and what you say would be a joke - except you're really serious. The same president that PROMISED to cut the deficit in half HAS (not may; or might, but HAD) more than doubled it. Oh, it would be hilarious to someone outside the country. In fact, we are.

You are the constituency that voted in this completely inept man.

Mitt's Son is not the VICE PRESIDENT..... and if any school-kid said that on a playground ANYWHERE across the country these days, they'd be in dentention, suspended or worse...........

There should be ZERO TOLERANCE of Joe Biden's STUPID mouth

People who know Joe Biden, like Joe Biden. Finger pointing and noise from the Republicans.

G-Dog-787120

People who know Joe Biden, like Joe Biden. Finger pointing and noise from the Republicans.

Rats jumping the ship...

thetotas: Why does it take an act of God or a subpoena to get documents from this administration?

Seriously? Yet, you have no problem that your Mormon Cultist candidate with all of his offshore investments isn't about Full Disclosure at all.

All anyone has to do is mention Mitt Romney's name, and you run to the corner and rub peanut-butter all over yourself. But all of his administration's Document Shredding/Destruction and refusal to fully disclose his tax returns make you pee your pants with joy!

Good thing YOU aren't wearing Magic Underwear...or, are you?

arslp: Tell me this, you whinebags. Why should a middle class couple who have chosen to delay having children - because they are being responsible (the trait that is never taught by the "Tax-em till they drop" democrats) pay extra taxes to support the tax refunds of the couple making $19,000 with 4 kids at home living on foodstamps, Medicaid and public housing?

jesus h nipple, lady! have you lost it? Every time ANYONE in Congress brings up the suggestion to remove the Government Dole (giving people an automatic tax break, for simply having a kid, in the form of an Automatic Tax Deduction) -- the REPUBLICANS are the ones who scream the LOUDEST - claiming that they are entitled to that automatic Gov't Gimmee, simply for having sex and popping out kids!

I think you need to check your Depends. They're FULL!

arslp: We need a flat tax. And when you brilliant people gripe about the 14% that Romney paid in taxes, remember it is on capital gains. He's already paid taxes on the money once.

No he hasn't! The tax is on the GAINS. GAINS are Newly Earned Revenue. Money he didn't have before. He didn't already pay tax on the GAINS he got that year, because those gains were just gained during that year! That's why they are called capital GAINS!

Criminy -- no wonder you people cannot talk intelligently about taxes or income. You don't even know what the difference is between existing capital and resulting Gains. You sound like someone who dropped out of the second grade!

Another episode of selective outrage from the Republicans. If Biden said "Boo" they would start screaming. Nothing Biden has every said has compared to the "over-the-top " lies from Romney and Ryan, the unconstitutional voter suppression efforts from Republican governors state legislatures and Republicans supporters like Koch.

Romney and Ryan have been extremely disrespectful of the office of the President. I almost wish they would win so they could get a taste of their own disrespect and bad manners.

Diane: "Romney and Ryan have been extremely disrespectful of the office of the President. I almost wish they would win so they could get a taste of their own disrespect and bad manners."

I know what you mean, Diane. They called Biden "disrespectful" just because he smiled at Ryan's lying! But Ryan's lies were NOT disrespectful to us all? Puhleeeeeze!

Like you said, Diane--just, "Another episode of selective outrage from the Republicans"...

Why can't politicians just apologize for saying something out of line, and then we can all leave it at that?

And why do we have to jump on 2 misspoken words than come out of a politician's mouth, amongst a speech that includes thousands of them?

Who the f*** cares? Shouldn't we just be listening to the overall point/message of what they're trying to say..

Max...

Stupid Joe merely "smiled" ??? Then who was that goofy guy with the hairplugs up on the stage mooning, grinning, and chuckling like Jerry Sandusky at a junior high school swim meet ???

Diane...

How "respectfully" has Mr. Romney been treated by his political opponents, the media, and people out there on sites like this one ???

I started reading about his background during the primaries...I don't know much about the Mormon religion, but if it produces people who have selflessly helped others as much as Mr. Romney has in his life...I guess I'd wish we had a lot more Mormons in this world. And Mormons are taught that it's not proper to talk about the good things they might do for others...helping someone is supposed to be it's own reward, rather than an expected pat on the back for one's effort.

Tony: "Max...

Stupid Joe merely "smiled" ??? Then who was that goofy guy with the hairplugs up on the stage mooning, grinning, and chuckling like Jerry Sandusky at a junior high school swim meet ???"

I give up. Yo mama?

I have a question for you. Who was the guy that looked like Eddie Munster telling such disrespectful lies to us all that our VP Joe Biden couldn't help but smile?

Tony, if you really want any valid answers, and are willing to forgo the personal abuse in favor of rational discourse, I refer you to posts 10.1, 10.3, 10.5 by our very talented Vine poster, Gizalynn.

Let those with ears hear...

Sucks to be the employee appears to be what you are saying.

Hey I got an idea for ya Mom - go out and start up your own business. As the boss you don't got to put up with anyone's BS.

Except the government, cause they will be all over your new venture.

Mom--Romney, I'm sure is right that what he did was legal; but, it shouldn't be. It's voter intimidation!

It sure is legal, as is firing people that you can no longer afford to keep on the payroll.

True story - I recently gave an old car of mine to my secretary who is black, in fact she is alos [now] a lesbian]. It's for her great grandson, who just got a job. [She's only mid fifties, but already has a 18 year old grandson].

Anyhoo I said It's $1000, or you can promise to vote for Mitt, your choice.

See if you can guess which option she choose?

And just so we are all on the same page - the car is worth about $2,500, so she was already getting a heap o' Spanky love.

Voter intimidation? OMG now you are really stretching it. I was a conference call sponsored by the Federation of Independent Business and a simple message to employers to make their feelings known to their employees. He didn't say, "I am the one", he said convey your feelings. He didn't know if he was talking to libs or cons. Get over it.

Spanky-

True story - I recently gave an old car of mine to my secretary who is black, in fact she is alos [now] a lesbian]. It's for her great grandson, who just got a job. [She's only mid fifties, but already has a 18 year old grandson].

... grandson ... great grandson ... make up your mind or another yarn.

Until the President offered to waive the rule (and pay for any lawsuit using our tax dollars), Defense Contractors were required to tell employees they may lose their jobs due to the President's and government polices.

The Employer who advised his employees the President's re-election and subsequent policies may endanger their employment was just doing what the unions require the Defense companies to do.

Great grandson.

I have a hard time remembering that a 50ish year old woman has a great grandson.

SO Black cat - give away any cars lately?

I recently gave an old car of mine to my secretary who is black, in fact she is alos [now] a lesbian]"

Since I don't claim to be a lawyer or anything, I checked uslegal.com for the definition of "relevant" and it says:

"Relevant means having some reasonable connection with something. When used in the context of a evidence law, it refers to the evidence's tendency to prove or disprove a matter of fact that is related to an issue in dispute in the case. A common basis for an objection to testimony or physical evidence is that it is
"irrelevant."

Of course, for the comment about Spanky's secretary's race and sexual orientation to be relevant to the case in point, I'm guessing there'd have to be a point in the first place, right?

What's that you say? "Objection sustained"? Why thank you, Your Honor.....

P.S. - I'm also not a math whiz. But even if the 18-year-old's mother had him at 13, and her mother had her at 13, and her mother had HER at 13, that still makes the supposed great-grandmother closer to 60 than 50. If any of that was true in the first place......

I'm also not a math whiz. But even if the 18-year-old's mother had him at 13, and her mother had her at 13, and her mother had HER at 13, that still makes the supposed great-grandmother closer to 60 than 50. If any of that was true in the first place......

OUCH JoAnne!

That one is going to leave a mark!

Spanky

SO Black cat - give away any cars lately?

Actually I did two months ago ... a 2006 Saturn Ion.

Clinton Disbarred From Supreme Court By DAVID STOUT Published: October 1, 2001

The Supreme Court said today that a lawyer who was disciplined in his home state of Arkansas cannot practice law before the High Court.

The action was totally unremarkable, except that the lawyer in question is former President Bill Clinton. The justices' action, announced on the first day of the court's new term, followed Mr. Clinton's acceptance earlier this year of a five-year suspension of his law license in Arkansas and his payment of a $25,000 fine to the Arkansas Bar Association.

The high court's rules call for it to suspend a lawyer who has been disbarred or suspended by a lower court from practicing before the United States Supreme Court. The rules also give the lawyer 40 days to respond to final disbarment from the high court.

No further punishment is involved but, since it is an honor for a lawyer to be admitted to practice before the high court, losing that privilege could be seen as an embarrassment, especially for a former president.

Yup, suspended in Arkansas........therefore, the SC.......

So what?

I guess Spanky is going to join the woman in the voting booth to make sure she votes the way he wants her to.

Why do the libs not understand the WEALTH of the Democrats? Look around at all the Hollywood types, entertainers, billioniares like Soros.... and yet, you libs scream about the wealth of conservatives.....

Just like everything else you libs say... it doesn't hold water.........

The truly funny/scary thing is that when all of these Hollywood types drove up to the "occupy" gatherings in their chauffered limosines, gave a couple of high fives, then drove off into the sunset, these silly liberals were beside themselves. Despite that fact that they were being cheered on by the 1%. Cheering for the very people they are protesting against. The m.o. of the liberal democrat.

True story - I recently gave an old car of mine to my secretary who is black, in fact she is alos [now] a lesbian]. It's for her great grandson, who just got a job. [She's only mid fifties, but already has a 18 year old grandson].

Anyhoo I said It's $1000, or you can promise to vote for Mitt, your choice.

See if you can guess which option she choose?

Spanky,

I'm trying to understand the intended point of your "true story". The embellished description of your secretary had a tinge of contempt; implying this woman, by accepting your bribe, confirmed she is immoral. You managed to take a shot at "over breeding blacks", "gays" and "takers" in one short anecdote. I don't think you are aware of it, but your "charity" story was actually mean spirited and racist.

Paul_W -

Trust me - he was very much aware of what he was saying. And that WAS his point.

Steve-446003: Why do the libs not understand the WEALTH of the Democrats? Look around at all the Hollywood types, entertainers, billioniares like Soros.... and yet, you libs scream about the wealth of conservatives.....

Those wealthy LIBS that YOU are screaming about -- they support the notion of TRULY higher tax brackets for the wealthy. Soros and Buffet and Gates -- they support Obama and the concept of paying at a higher rate.

So, if you want to have an honest argument, then BE HONEST. Don't be a liar and a coward. Speak about this issue honestly. The DEBATE is about that different point of view. The "Rich LIBS" suport the higher tax bracket for themselves, the "RICH NEO CONS" (like Mitt and his Magic Underwear) support screwing over anyone who they view as Lesser and support any movement to make sure that their overall taxes paid are in fact about ONE THIRD the Rate paid by the middle class.

Spanky: "so she was already getting a heap o' Spanky love."

Spanky--your story was so wrong--on so many levels--and if you don't even KNOW that--you need a good spanking!

But thanks for proving Biden's point when he told that audience in southern Virginia that Romney's Wall Street deregulation would "put y'all back in chains." Sounds like Spanky wants to do that with his black lesbian secretary.

Case closed!

DMorgan: "Those wealthy LIBS that YOU are screaming about -- they support the notion of TRULY higher tax brackets for the wealthy. Soros and Buffet and Gates -- they support Obama and the concept of paying at a higher rate.

So, if you want to have an honest argument, then BE HONEST. Don't be a liar and a coward. Speak about this issue honestly."

THANK YOU! You have elequently stated my frustrations and disappointment with the Republicons. I have come to the conclusion the truth is they really do NOT want an "honest argument" or intelligent, rational debate

All they want is to win. That means all they want is Obama to lose--(e.g. ABO -- "anyone but Obama" etc.) Never mind what the American people want and/or need. Nobama. The end justifies the means.

Therefore we will never have any honest argument or intelligent rational discourse. They have forgotten the meaning of the words "compromise" "bipartisanship" and "cooperation."

And that just sucks.

Its just one more thing for the cry-baby Republican dolts to whine and cry about. Everybody is against them, they are the victims...always. Perhaps Romeny should have a drink and tell us exactly where planet Kolob is located so we can personally visit God and ask him to chastise his following of conservatives and Mormons for their blatant voter supression and intimidation campaigns/conspiracy. If you can't win on platform, keep the other party's supporters from voting, simple!

Wow! Did someone forget their meds today?

To the Monster Paul "I hate Grandma" Ryan: if you can't take the heat... Get out of the Kitchen. Apparently Ryan may not be able to handle the stress of being Vice President, he cries too much and has to hide behind his mother when he campaigns for Vice President.

Vote Obama, the disadvantaged depend on your vote for Obama or they will be living in the street if Corporate Raider Willard "Tax Cheat" Romney wins

And thats my opinion

This is obvious sarcasm. If you didn't get that then you probably believed that Paul Ryan might shoot at you and you are a f-in idiot.

"Here is what I will say -- if four Americans get killed, it is not optimal. And we are going to fix it."

"And what happens during the course of a presidency, you know, the government is a big operation -- at any given time, something screws up and you make sure you find out what's broken and you fix it."

"we weren't confused about the fact that four Americans had been killed. I wasn't confused about the fact that we needed to ramp up diplomatic security around the world right after it happened."

"I wasn't confused about the fact that we were going to hunt down whoever did it and bring them to justice. So, as I said during the debate, nobody is more interested in figuring this out than I am."

All are Barack Obama words..... brave Americans DIED & Mr Obama thinks they were "not optimal"

Goodbye Barry.... take your wife & kids back to Chicago.............

You are probably right, Kannin, but that was before. The extreme right has drawn a definitive line in the sand now though, by taking this campaign to new extremes of distortion, to the point where your statement no longer even applies. Words have been taken out of context and twisted around, true, and by both sides. But what is telling here is that we live in an age of technology that allows for instant information, meaning that the newspaper, and other venues that took the time to verify before print, are going the way of the typewriter, and will soon be extinct. What has arisen in its place has the ability to be both great, and the downfall of our society.

What I mean by this is that "news" has become interchangeable with opinion, and too many are lured into misconceptions by mistaking one for the other, and thereby basing their decisions on falsehoods. And yes, I am referring, in part, to FOX "news" as we'll as O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, among others. What lies at the root of all this madness is that they've created a propaganda machine that is immense and unchecked, endlessly funded by Murdoch, the Koch brothers, and others of their ilk. They spew the lies, the distortion, and keep repeating it 24 hours a day because they know if it's repeated loud and long enough some will eventually just accept it as fact.

That type of mistortion is dangerous. It's what you do when you have no other way to win. And it leads, as we've seen in this election to voter suppression, birthers, and Salem witch hunt type of ambiguous assersions using slurs like: Obama isn't American enough. He's secretly working with the Muslim brotherhood. These asinine attacks on our President's integrity should never have seen the light of day, because there is nothing beyond unfounded hate to back them up, and yet four years later, you still find them, not only here on this forum but elsewhere. Opinion parading as truth has got to stop, Republican's!

As to your 'campaign worker' statement, as you didn't elaborate, I'm going to guess that you are talking about the Brown/Warren race in Massachusetts. There Brown has been attacking Warren's claims of her Native American ancestry. In protest, Brown's own campaign workers showed up at one of Warren's rally's and proceeded to make war whoops and Tomahawk chops with their hands. Sorry, but I disagree, and I do blame Brown equally for that disgrace, if not more. Brown started the distortion, yes, and then his campaigner's repeated it. You've actually proven my point here. That's how the madness grows. This type of misconception if not checked, breeds not only contempt, but outright hatred. It spreads like a disease. You could be part of the cure, if you'd just open your eyes.

Obama/Biden

@gizalynn As to your 'campaign worker' statement, as you didn't elaborate.

Allow me to elaborate. Romney's communications director Eric Fehrnstrom referred to the shift from a primary campaign to a presidential campaign by saying "I think you hit a reset button for the fall campaign. Everything changes. It's almost like an Etch-A-Sketch" Of course, Romney's opponents immediately pretended the remark had some significance.

And, from the article above, we have Biden saying "Well folks, I don't think they were just sketchy," he declared. "I think they were etch-a-sketchy!"

Thank you Kannin, for elaborating on your original post. And I certainly see how you might have reached that conclusion. However, I interpret it diffently, as you might of guessed. As Communication's Director for Romney's campaign, one would have to assume that communications is probably Rehmstrom's area of expertise. Certainly he is no stranger to the interview format. The bottom line being that they basically boil down to one factor: the sound bite.

He went into this with both eyes wide open, knowing full well that Romney, even then, was openly being criticized, by the left and even by members of his own party for continually switching sides on virtually every position. And when that side wasn't working to his benefit, he would simply switch again. And I hate to tell you this, but the negativity on this attribute didn't start with this election, or even 2008's. It can be traced back in origin to his bid for Governor of MA in 2002, and in his race against Ted Kennedy as well. That's where 'flip-flop' Romney was born, and I don't see anyone here seriously debating that point.

I would argue then that with this highly documented flaw, already assigned his candidate going in, that Rehmstrom, especially given his expertise, should have had the good sense to steer clear of any descriptive definer that remotely hints at Romney's inability to take a side and stick with it. This simply isn't an example of the other side taking something out of context and then applying their own meaning, because all it did was assign a name to a fully verifiable and established characteristic. It was just bad luck that it was a moniker that Rehmstrom's picked out himself.

Should Biden not have made the 'sketchy' comment? Perhaps. But in Romney's case, the dye was already cast, well before Rehmsrom's interview. Sadly it all goes hand in hand with what I was alluding to earlier. The far extremist right has bastardized this election to such a degree of open contempt and beyond, that it simply boggles the mind. There is no 'too low' anymore. And even more outrageous, not only have the Republican's/TeaPartier's turned this election into a circus, by using lies and deception, they also expect the Left to fall in line behind them like obedient lemmings. They seem to think that they can lie, invent, distort, besmirch, create diversions away from the real matters at hand, and at the same time hold us to a set of rules that they, as a party, refuse to follow.

I am utterly amazed every time the right starts talking about Obama//Biden disrespecting Romney/Ryan in the debates. Did you see how many times he interrupted our candidate, they shout in cartoonish exaggerated fury. The nerve of him daring to contradict our leader, why he's a bully! It's unfair! The media is against us! The polls are tampered with! Except of course when the numbers favor them. Do you see the pattern here?

If I have any issue with my candidates, it's that they've allowed this travesty of rhetoric and lies to go on as long as it has. I know the Republican's fully expected Democrat's, and in turn, Obama/Biden to simply lay down and let you buy, cheat, and steal your way into the White House, but it just isn't going to happen. And if that means Obama/Biden getting in their face, and dismantling every one of the right's made up facts and figures, as they happen, so that all American's are clued in, then so be it. Meanwhile we'll just bide our time until Obama's reelection, debunking every single untruth that you see fit to throw our way.

Obama/Biden

And with the same scrutiny that you view Fox news, why do you not apply that to NBC? NBC is the worst station for reporting absolutely nothing negative about Obama? There is only one token conservative - Morning Joe - and he isn't even credible.

Fox has opposing views for every topic. There are liberals who are regulars on Fox news. My husband watches Fox; I watch NBC. Bob Beckel; Juan Williams; Alan Colms; and others regularly contribute on Fox. Rachel Maddow or Chris "Tingle up the leg" Matthews: When have you ever seen a conservative viewpoint on either of their shows - a credible conservative?

BTW - you don't want to debunk any untruths. If you did so, there would be absolutely nothing from which Obama could cling to for any evidence of anything "Forward". And you sure as heck don't want to look backward.

FOX sets itself up for ridicule for its less than truthful broadcasts by purposely adding to its name the misnomer of "news." That choice right there makes it a deliberate attempt to mislead its viewing public. By the way, you only assume that I don't apply this same high standard of truthfulness to other networks and affiliates. You are wrong. In fact, it is only by contrasting and comparing the two at length that I have discovered that FOX is indeed the worst of the worst.

Obama/Biden

Gizalynn: "This type of misconception if not checked, breeds not only contempt, but outright hatred. It spreads like a disease. "

WOW! Your post 10.1 was magnificent. Just had to say. WOW! (you're a wonderful writer--) but then I read on (10.3 & 10.5) --and you only got BETTER!

Thank you for such intelligent, thoughtful and meaningful posts. I enjoy writing myself--and I bow to your rare talent. Kudos! ....Very refreshing indeed.

Good evening, Maxwell's Silver Hammer, and thank you so much, you make me blush. I've only been posting here for a week or so, but I've been reading the comments for a very long time. There are so many dedicated Democrat's on this forum, including yourself, doing everything we can to support our wonderful President in his bid for reelection.

A man like Romney, bought and paid for by big money corporations and outside interests, must never be allowed to win. I didn't think it possible to beat George W. Bush in the unqualified department, but Romney has certainly risen to the occasion.

Thank you again for the warm welcome. It feels great to be surrounded by so many other loyal and dedicated Democrat's!

Obama/Biden

What's worse is that the corporation I work for has just begun to introduce our Health Plan for next year, which is built around Obamacare requirements.

Looks like Tax the Fat is a real deal under Obamacare.

Also the FSA portion has been reduced by $1500 which effectively amounts to a tax increase since the FSA is pretax dollars.

Thanks a lot Lil' O!

VS: "That's bull@!$%#. It's illegal to watch somebody vote."

Please subtract 1 vote for that post (accidently hit up arrow instead of reply)--

Question: So why are all these Republicons threatening their employees with unemployment if Obama wins the election? Just wondering...Progressive/Forward is CORRECT--voter intimidation at its finest.

I quote from post 10.1 (Gizalynn--one of our finer viner posters)

You've actually proven my point here. That's how the madness grows. This type of misconception if not checked, breeds not only contempt, but outright hatred. It spreads like a disease. You could be part of the cure, if you'd just open your eyes

Bali Bob

You - try hard and focus - do realize that Tagg Romney is not running for any office, right? Think hard. You'll get it.

So you believe that because Biden is running for office he should be held to a higher standard than the son of a man who is also running for office? Based on this reasoning then, you would probably take no offense at the comments of yet another son of a man running for office.

At a recent brunch hosted by the Kenosha County Republican Party, Jason Thompson, son of Republican Tommy Thompson, former govenor of Wisconsin was caught on camera saying:

"We have the opportunity to send President Obama back to Chicago – or Kenya." The comment drew laughs from the crowd, with one woman joking, "We are taking donations for that Kenya trip."

Personally, I find it utterly appalling.

Obama/Biden

"Here is what I will say -- if four Americans get killed, it is not optimal. And we are going to fix it."

"And what happens during the course of a presidency, you know, the government is a big operation -- at any given time, something screws up and you make sure you find out what's broken and you fix it."

"we weren't confused about the fact that four Americans had been killed. I wasn't confused about the fact that we needed to ramp up diplomatic security around the world right after it happened."

"I wasn't confused about the fact that we were going to hunt down whoever did it and bring them to justice. So, as I said during the debate, nobody is more interested in figuring this out than I am."

All are Barack Obama words..... brave Americans DIED & Mr Obama thinks they were "not optimal"

Goodbye Barry.... take your wife & kids back to Chicago.............

I just want to know how you "fix" the deaths of four people?

Goody: "I just want to know how you "fix" the deaths of four people?"

Good question, Goody! But I got a better one for you: How do you fix the deaths of over FOUR THOUSAND PEOPLE (our young warriors in Iraq and Afghanistan)?

Hmmmm?

How can we take NBC News seriously when it is more newsworthy that the GOP takes offense to the tone of Joe's remark without mentioning the even more disturbing misstatement made by the same Joe in the same rally. The Vice President confuses Iran with Afghanistan twice in the same speech, and all you have to write about is this.

You are a fool and should check your own emotional issues. No violence, not rude and certainly not treason. For God sake, read or watch the interview you idiot. He was responding to a question from the interviewer as to how he felt when Obama was attacking his father during the debate.

Oh really, why? This is why when a citizen put his hand on Cheney's shoulder - he was immediately arrested - and carted off - he made no verbal threats - yet a man who is 42 years of age and just a citizen can hurl threats at a sitting president and it's OKAY

No it's not Okay!

After the debate, the question of "Do want a President or a Boss?" was raised. Personally, I prefer to keep our current president as he has never acted like a boss and has been a damn good president when the obstructionists in congress do their job of working for the good of the country instead of a personal vendetta against the sitting president.

I have noticed over the years that bosses are like diapers... 1. Always on your a$$. 2. Usually full of crap. 3. Need to be changed!!!

President Obama has always acted very presidential and Mr. Romney has always acted like a self-centered crappy boss that you couldn't wait to tell where to go and what to do with himself. (Re: Clint Eastwood loses chat with chair).

Nope.. Nero fiddle.. obama just hits the links.