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Barack Obama looked energized at the second presidential debate, but GOP candidate Mitt Romney mostly stayed with him as the two confronted one another over issues involving immigration, foreign policy, the economy and more. NBC's Chuck Todd reports.
HEMPSTEAD, NY -- If former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney controlled the terms of the debate two weeks ago in Denver, the opposite was true here last night. It was President Obama on offense for much of the night, and it was Romney playing defense. The overall outcome at Hofstra University wasn't as one-sided or decisive as it was two weeks ago. Indeed, the GOP presidential nominee was strong on the economy and litigating Obama's four years in office, and he brought plenty of energy. But just like we saw in Denver, the body language told the real story: You had Republicans, not Democrats, complaining about the moderator; there was the Romney campaign saying afterward, “What we really meant to say was XYZ”; and you saw Obama lingering with the crowd after the debate (when it was Romney who did that two weeks ago). Also, unlike Obama’s performance in Denver, there were some uncomfortable moments for Romney (the exchange on Libya, “binders full of women,” Obama’s my-pension-isn’t-as-big-as-
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Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama talk over each other as they answer questions during a town hall style debate at Hofstra University October 16, 2012 in Hempstead, New York.
*** Issue terrain matters: If we learned anything last night, as well as in Denver, it’s that the issue terrain matters. While the first two questions last night -- on a young college student’s job prospects and on gas prices -- were right up Romney’s alley, many more of the following questions were tailor-made for Obama. Pay equality for women. Immigration. George W. Bush. And Obama used those questions, which didn’t surface two weeks ago, to draw his sharpest contrasts with Romney. In fact, a good chunk of the debate was an exercise in micro-targeting, particularly for the president. You saw both Obama and Romney making their pitches to female voters and Latinos, who happen to be two of the most important demographic groups in this election. Yesterday, we wrote that the town-hall debate was an opportunity for Romney to make more inroads with female voters, especially those in the suburbs. Our question: Did a debate that shined a spotlight on the Lilly Ledbetter Act, abortion, and contraception end up helping Romney with women?
*** Libya rattles Romney: Perhaps the sharpest exchange of the night was over Libya, a topic that has dogged the Obama administration over the past few weeks. Obama said, “The day after the attack, governor, I stood in the Rose Garden and I told the American people and the world that we are going to find out exactly what happened, that this was an act of terror.” Romney later interjected, “I want to make sure we get that for the record, because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.” Obama fired back, “Get the transcript.” Well, here is the transcript -- and here’s what Obama said in that Rose Garden speech: “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.” Now Romney would have been on safer ground if he charged that Obama didn’t call it a coordinated terrorist attack by al Qaeda-affiliated elements, and the Romney spinners after the debate made that point. But Romney used a different term -- “act of terror” -- and Obama DID SAY that. And afterward, Romney appeared rattled after he allowed himself to get caught up on the losing end of a semantic argument. Romney was not the same candidate after that moment.
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In the final push in the 2012 presidential election, candidates Mitt Romney and Barack Obama make their last appeals to voters.
*** They really, really don’t like each other: In fact, almost all of the exchanges drove this point home: These candidates really don’t like each other. The two men constantly interrupted each other; they circled each other like prizefighters in the boxing ring; and they also even got into each other’s faces. Overall, last night showed that both Obama and Romney are fighters, but they also demonstrated the worst stereotype of why so many people hate politics. It is also worth asking if a debate that featured two VERY alpha-male performances end up turning off swing voting women who would prefer a tad more comity in their politics and less cable-TV/talk radio style bravado. And where was the empathy? From the get-go, it was clear neither candidate knew how to connect with the questioners very well. Take the young man in college who asked the first question. Do you realize neither candidate asked him what he WANTED as a career in after college? WWBCD -- What Would Bill Clinton Do?
*** The crucial question: So will last night’s debate change the contours of the presidential race and slow Romney’s momentum? The answer comes down to this: Have the past two weeks been about Romney getting a second look from voters and seeing a different Romney than has been portrayed over the past year? Or have the past two weeks been about Democrats and swing voters being disappointed in Obama’s first debate performance? If it’s the former, you could argue that the debate didn’t change too much in the race. If it’s the latter, you could argue that it did. Once again, we’ll be paying attention to the polls that come out next week. If the race is a grind-it-out affair, here’s where David Plouffe said things stand, per NBC’s Jamie Novogrod: “We believe that we remain in very strong position in Ohio, in Iowa, in Nevada, in New Hampshire.” The Romney folks aren’t giving up Ohio, but also have Plan Bs on winning Wisconsin and Iowa. The fact is Wisconsin/Iowa combined with Ohio puts Obama over the top. For Romney, he needs three of these four if he doesn’t win Ohio: Wisconsin, Colorado, Iowa, Nevada.
*** On to the final debate: And also next week, on Monday, we’ll have the final presidential debate -- from Boca Raton, FL. And this is a potential problem for Romney. Why? Because it won’t be a conversation about jobs and the economy (where even one instapoll showed Romney winning, even if he lost the entire debate). Instead, it’s a showdown on foreign policy. As conservative pundit Laura Ingraham tweeted last night, “TERRIBLE miscalculation for GOP to agree that final debate wd be on foreign policy. Whose bright idea was THIS when jobs/economy #1 issue?” As we saw last night in the Libya exchange, it is very difficult for a challenger to best an incumbent president on foreign policy. The good news for Romney is that expectations will be low. The bad news is that -- if issue terrain matters -- it’s a foreign-policy debate.
*** On the trail: Obama stumps in Mount Vernon, IA at 12:45 pm ET and in Athens, OH at 6:00 pm ET… Romney hits Chesapeake, VA at 1:15 pm ET and Leesburg, VA at 7:05 pm ET… Biden campaigns in Greeley, CO at 1:00 pm ET and Reno, NV at 7:45 pm ET… And Ryan visits Berea, OH at 11:30 am ET.
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Romney/Ryan 2012.
Because we can't afford another four more years of this stagnant economy.
Good to see the President awake for this one, but in the end I don't think it moves the dial one way or the other. Everyone will say their candidate landed punches last night.
OOPSIE!!
RECAP:
How many times at the 1st debate, did Mitt Romney say he had NO/NO centerpiece $5 trillion tax cut?
LAST NIGHT:
Romney waffled about HOW he'd PAY for his (20%) $5Trillion tax cut.
But Romney couldn't explain how to pay for his giant tax cut for the rich. He never has. He can't. Bottom line - he will either explode the deficit, or raise taxes on the middle class.
According to the Tax Policy Center, Romney would CUT taxes for those earning more than $1,000,000 a year, by 4.1%. And RAISE taxes on folks earning under $200,000 by 1.2%.
Under Romney's plan, billionaire donor Sheldon Adelson would receive a $2.3 billion tax break.
Romney ALSO wants to extend the Bush tax cuts for Mr. Adelson.
You want to be objective when choosing the President of the United States. You want to coolly and calmly analyze the contenders. You know your criteria. Most importantly, he or she must have your trust, must be intelligent, have a command of facts, remain cool under fire, and a sense of humor is a bonus. You don't have to like the candidate, but it doesn't hurt.
Before last night's debate, most of us already knew who we would choose. We had two starkly different candidates; so different we find it surprising some voters haven't made up their minds. We know there are other candidates - some truly exciting, like Jill Stein - but realistically only a Democrat or Republican can win the Presidency. It's either President Barack Obama or Governor Mitt Romney.
The last thing you want to admit is that your choice is based on something besides qualifications. You view with disdain those voters whose choices are based on irrelevancies like party affiliation or race or sex. You are after all, cool, rational, and intelligent. You don't make your decision based on your visceral reaction to a candidate.
Yeah? Just minutes into the debate and Romney blows himself up with another of his peevish, petulant, and condescending rants, this one directed at Candy Crowley, the moderator. What he said and what I heard are two different things. I heard, "You're not the boss of me, you insolent female. Shut up!"
Romney spent the rest of the evening burnishing his credentials as a rich, rude boor. When he was challenged on this tax cut, and the utter impossibility of it being revenue neutral, he blew us off by saying in so many words - Hey, I'm Mitt Romney, and if I say it's true, then it's true.
No, it's not true. Either Romney can't do arithmetic or he's a liar. Based on past performance, it's both. Pressed for specifics, like his equally math-challenged running mate Paul Ryan, he refuses to identify the changes that he will make to the tax code. Maybe he'll do this or that or hey, how about this, we'll put out a basket of deductions and you can pick and choose what you like. Trust me.
Mountains of evidence unequivocally show we are slowly recovering from the most devastating recession/depression since the Great Depression of the 20's and 30's. This recession/depression is the result of eight years of disastrous Republican policy. No matter, Romney says the President should have fixed their mess in four years. Romney's solution is to go back to the same G.O.P. policies that drove us into near-financial collapse and ruinous debt.
The President had his moments where he ran over his time limits, but when you are debating a guy like Mitt Romney, there's a lot of lies that must be addressed. Indeed, Ms. Crowley busted Romney's chops for his lie about Libya and it didn't slow Romney down one bit. He got into the President's face and demanded his obeisance....."Let me give you some advice. Let me give you some advice!" That's going to work very well when he deals with Vladimir Putin.
There's plenty of reasons for not trusting Romney to lead the country. He lies constantly. He has a sense of entitlement that would embarrass Paris Hilton. He's completely out of touch with the vast majority of Americans. He knows nothing of foreign policy. Good reasons all, but at bottom, I can't stand him.
Koch Fueled Romney got burned last night.
This is craaaaaaazy!!! Check out Myth's binders below when you get.
http://bindersfullofwomen.tumblr.com/
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At least one thing came out of the debate: Candy Crowley is one of the lefty liberals in the MSM that is looking out for Barry and going out of her way to use her position to get him re-elected.
From NBCNEWS.com:
Barry did make a generic reference to “acts of terror” in his speech after the Benghazi terrorist attack. But nowhere in his speech did he EVER label the Benghazi incident a terrorist attack and Crowley’s assertion that he did is simply factually WRONG.
In fact, it was several weeks later that the Barry admin FINALLY admitted what anyone paying the least bit of attention already KNEW: The 9/11 attack in Benghazi was a pre-planned terrorist attack on America.
More from NBCNEWS.com:
The simple FACT is that Barry and his admin tried to cover up a terrorist attack on Americans in Libya and tried to BS the American voters for purely partisan political gain. And the lefty liberal MSM seems to be willing partners in this deception.
Nobama 2012 Really, Things Could Be Worse-
Give Me Four More Years and I’ll Prove It
The earthquake in Maine last night at 7:15 EST was a harbinger of the debate—Mother Nature, putting everything right again.
(And she took down the billionaire Yankees at the same time.)
He Can Run, But He Can't Hide
Well, we sure saw a more fiesty Obama last night. Of course, the bar was kind of low since the guy who showed up last time was a corpse. So I'm sure the Dems are happy that their man decided to honor the process by actually showing some interest in the proceedings. But when you cut through all the smoke, here's the deal: whenever Romney talked about the economy and the dismal record of the last four years, he just cleaned Obama's clock.
And Romney didn't just talk about the economy, he spoke to the issue eloquently and with obvious passion. It was abundantly clear to any viewer that for Romney this election is all about jobs and the economy, and that he was offering the country a chance to change course from Obama's record of failure. He told us that we don't have to settle for what we've been going through the last four years, a notion that resonates viscerally in the gut of every American. And he directly linked the pain so many Americans are experiencing to the policies of the president, policies Romney is committed to changing. It was a virtuoso performance.
But the real buzz in coming days will likely be about the discussion of the Benghazi attack. The president would have us believe that he characterized the Benghazi attack as an act of terrorism in his Rose Garden remarks the next day, and that he was offended by any suggestion that his administration waffled on their assessment of the cause of the attack. In fact, his Rose Garden reference was to generic "acts of terror" and at best his words were ambiguous when viewed in reference to the Benghazi situation.
But let's give the president the benefit of the doubt and stipulate that he characterized the Benghazi attack as an act of terrorism that day. So Mr. President, please explain to us how in subsequent days in appearances on Univision, The View and Letterman you walked that back and said we were still investigating what happened in Benghazi. Then explain to us how in your speech to the U.N. you linked the violence to an offensive video six times. Then explain to us how Ambassador Rice was permitted to make the rounds on the Sunday talk shows to tell us the violence was because of the video.
The fact of the matter is the State Department knew from day one there was no protest outside the building prior to the violence and that the Benghazi episode was a complex attack without precedent in U.S. diplomatic history. Yet even while many news outlets were reporting same, you did not share that information with us and instead fed us a tall tale about a spontaneous demonstration sparked by a video. Then last night you have the nerve to take offense at legitimate questions as to whether your administration was covering up the true cause of the violence??
I'm sorry Mr. President, but it's we the people who are offended by your constant dissembling on this issue. And it's we the people who are also offended by your failed economic policies that have caused us so much pain. That's why Romney not only wins this election, he wins decisively. And last night's debate did nothing to change that outcome.
In the Weeds:
A lot transpired in last night's debate. In fact I needed to watch it more than once to appreciate the incredibly strong performance of our President. I'll comment on the content in a minute, but the interaction between Romney and Candy Crowley was noteworthy.
Romney's treatment of women was reflected in how he treated Ms. Crowley. To put it accurately and bluntly, Romney tried to bully Crowley over the debate rules and expecting more time. At one point Crowley said, "Let's talk about self-deportation." Romney countered with, "No". Acting as if rules did not apply to him, Romney was out of control and finally Ms. Crowley told Romney to "sit down".
Ms. Crowley became a fact-checker. Romney believed the right-wing echo chamber by saying that it took 14 days before President Obama called the Libyan attack an act of terror. In truth, one day later in the Rose Garden President Obama did call the attack an act of terror. Candy said to the governor, "He did, in fact, sir." Romney was caught in a lie.
The most repeated phrase used in the debate was, "Governor that simply is not true." President Obama called out Romney on his lies, without calling him a liar.
Some of Romney's most outrageous comments:
"Hiring teachers does not grow the economy." Yes Governor, it does grow the economy, and provides the added benefit of better educated children.
Romney indicated that as Governor, he wanted to have qualified women in his cabinet and received "binders full of women". Clearly the implication was that at Bain Capital he didn't know qualified women. He worked almost entirely with men. In the Romney world, women are subservient.
The strongest punch came from President Obama: "The suggestion that anybody in my team, whether the Secretary of State, our U.N. ambassador, anybody on my team would play politics or mislead when we lost four of own, Governor, is offensive. That's not what we do. That's not what I do as President, that's not what I do as Commander-in-Chief."
The second strongest punch also came from President Obama: "But I also believe that when he said behind closed doors that 47 percent of the country considered themselves victims, who refuse personal responsibility, think about who he was talking about. Folks on Social Security who have worked all their lives. Veterans who have sacrificed for this country. Students who are out there trying to hopefully advance their own dreams…Soldiers who are overseas fighting for us right now. People who are working hard every day, paying payroll tax, gas tax, but don't make enough income." President Obama clearly highlighted how Romney feels about the middle-class.
Last night Obama owned the debate.
Romney offered up an endless bowl of word salad last night. The Binders of Women was the one that shot up the TWITTERSPHERE. Personally, I thought R$mney's entire 'performance' was - shall we say, SKETCHY!
PS. Why did R$mney bust out of there so fast? Cuz' he knew he got his ass handed to him? Or because being around a bunchof middle class folks makes him THAT uncomfortable? Either way, BAD form!
ROMNEY FALSE: (Romney said there are fewer people working today.)
More people are working than when President Obama came into office in January 2009 - by about 325,000.
5.2 million private sector jobs were created in the last 30 months.
ROMNEY FALSE: (He says 500,000 manufacturing jobs lost).
500,000 manufacturing jobs were CREATED.
ROMNEY FALSE: (He says HE will create 12 million jobs.)
Guess what? Moody's predicts 12 million jobs will be created by 2016 under current policy - testimony to the strong foundation laid by President Obama.
The Moderator
One of these days baseball will get rid of the umpires and use sensors to call balls and strikes. And one of these days political debates will get rid of moderators and use a computer to spit out questions and allocate equal time for responses.
It's pointless for conservatives to whine about the clearly biased performance of Candy Crowley. This game has been stacked against us for years and moderators who use their power to tilt the playing field in favor of their candidate is nothing new. But it does make one wonder how in the world Republicans continue to be party to this farce by signing off on people who turn around and do their best to screw them.
Candy Crowley selected the questions last and the questions she chose clearly betrayed the biases she brought to her role. In particular, the question asking Romney to explain why he was not like George Bush was just off the scale on the bias meter. Blaming George Bush for all manner of evil that afflicts us has been a staple of the Democratic narrative for years. But that is a political narrative and not one that is firmly grounded in facts (e.g., anyone remember that unemployment fell to 4.6% during the Bush years?). Yet Crowley played directly into Democratic hands by accepting a question based on the false premise that Bush is at the root of all our problems. Heck, David Axelrod couldn't have done a better job.
But of course, Axelrod didn't need to do any work. Crowley did it for him,
Well said Backhouse, David, Beverly, and Feisty. Things are looking up. The next debate is on Foreign policy. I wonder if Romney will talk about how he did in England, Poland and Israel?
David, Feisty, Beverly, Jack, Ron, Clara, hi gang!
Our PRESIDENT OBAMA WON ON THE TRUTH.
PHEW - Can that Romney LIE!
Romney: Lie, lie, lie, whopper, lie, whopper, whopper, lie, lie, lie.
How does Romney grade "OK" or anything close to OK -- on a fantasy script?
Moderator Candy Crowley actually asked this question, it is right off the Obama/Democratic talking points: "I do attribute much of America's economic and international problems to the failings and missteps of the Bush Administration Since both of you are Republicans, I fear the return to the policies of those years should you win this election. What is the biggest difference between you and George W. Bush. and how do you differentiate yourself from George W. Bush?
And the questions is fine, except it is Obama that has assumed Bush's policies on 1) The wars, 2) On Taxes, 3) On Fed policy 4) And has even added in the biggest entitlement program the the largest raise in taxes ever with Obamacare. Obama has not only deficit spent similar to Bush, he's actually Super-sized it, more than doubling it in fact. So it's unclear why Crowley is making this assumed connection from Romney to Bush when it reality it is Obama that has performed like Bush. As is the usual though, CNN tries to simplify complex issues and performs the same journalistic laziness similar to MSNBC (which doesn't even have journalists) and tries to condense it to a talking point.
So it is quite odd that Crowley would select a question that is really a non-starter, a question that a Democratic operative would come up with rather than a moderate/undecided voter. With Obama. we already have the policies of the Bush administration in place. We never really left them.
Ms. Crowley clearly thought she was a part of the process, injecting herself where she didn't belong, providing considerably more time to Obama than to Romney. She even stated previously that Mr. Romney's selection of Rep. Paul Ryan as running mate a "ticket death wish." She is hardly unbiased, but that is the normal operation procedure that needs to be considered and dealt with by any Republican who enters these debates.
But yet Romney managed the debate well, made many clear and concise points both in describing his plans and on pointing out Obama's failures from his lack of success in the economy, his foreign policy blunders, and his total failure in Benghazi. Mr. Romney stood up well to a flailing and desperate Obama.
Romney has steadily been gaining ground with the voters. He's being seen not as the "rich out of touch corrupt guy" the Democrats have now failed to make his image to be, but a man that has clear plans, can work with Congress, can get things done and preserve our freedoms, and that in fact is Presidential. This is especially true when contrasted himself with Obama's multiple levels of failures.
David...great post. Your last paragraph summed up my takeaway from last night.
If there is anyone out there who are still undecided, I would urge them to check out that segment on Libya and how Romney handled that. He had all the right wing talking points and his expression showed him for what he is when challenged, a cold blooded CEO, who could care less what happens to the workers when he sold them down the river.
Long lines overnite waiting for President Obama's appearance today.
I disagree with the authors' assessment that President Obama didn't connect. I thought he did beautifully. His closing remarks about the 47% were quite moving actually.
Throughout the evening he laid out perfectly the differences between himself and Mitt. He spoke clearly about what Mitt and the GOP platform was and it isn't pretty.
It's why he won the debate. President Obama, that is.
Mitt was challenged, hard. And like all bullies, when you push back, they crumble.
Mitt crumbled. He looked weak. It was in his eyes. All night long.
Someone call the right wing nuts a WHAAAAMBULANCE!
They're positively convulsing trying to prop up Wooden Willard!
See righties, this is what happens when a MODERTOR shows up at the debate!
These are the very same people who told US to stop whining two weeks ago! lol
Follow your own advice and...
Get OVER IT!
GAWD how I LOVE the smell of desperation first thing in the morning!
The most serious (and disconcerting) news of the evening for the Obama team had to be CNN, Fox and (now just recently this morning) MSNBC clips covering the undecided voter rooms. Across those networks, it seemed many more moved in the direction of voting for Governor Romney last night, quipping the President did not spell out his plans for moving forward at all.
I guess you can try to land haymakers all you want and in the end, it's about the jobs (or lack thereof).
Bill in Fairfax -- You wrote:
You're right, it is not only pointless it's a stretch. Yet here you are whining. Why is it Republicans MUST always play the role of victim? If things don't go your way then it's someone else's fault.
Much more entertaining debate last night that's for sure. The snap polls gave a slight edge to the President (by 7 points in each case...46-39 CNN and 37-30 CBS). Definitely not the overwhelming win that Romney had two weeks ago according to the polls. But a small victory and a big improvement for the President. FR brings up the million dollar question...will it impact the polls? My own opinion is not much. I think things have kinda settled in and this was not an overwhelming performance for anyone. I stick by my range of somewhere between Romney winning by 1 and the President winning by 2-3. It's gonna be close!
Does Mittens believe in equal pay for women or not?
When he had a chance to endorse The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act... he didnt.
President Obama signed the act into law
Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act | AAUW
Great News!
Per DailyKos:
U.S. builders started construction on single-family homes and apartments in September at the fastest rate since July 2008, a further indication that the housing recovery is strengthening.
The Commerce Department said Wednesday that builders broke ground on homes at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 872,000 in September. That's an increase of 15 percent from the August level.
Mitt Romney is unfit to be President of the United States. He proved this yet again in the second Presidential debate when he displayed an appalling ignorance of current events.
Immediately upon learning of the deaths of our State Department personnel in Benghazi, Libya, Mitt Romney and his aides crassly sought to contrive a strategy to use this national tragedy to their political advantage. The fundamental of their strategy was to feign indignation that the Obama administration was either unaware of or hiding the fact that terrorism lay behind the event.
While it would be cynical in the extreme if Romney knew this to be untrue, it is astounding that a candidate for President of the United States is so obviously and sadly ignorant of the facts. As the debate moderator uneasily pointed out, President Obama acknowledged the part terrorism played in the events at Benghazi the DAY AFTER the attack. (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDANcaPx1xg )
Yet, here we have Mitt Romney attempting to concoct a political scheme BASED ENTIRELY UPON HIS (Romney's) OWN IGNORANCE OF RECENT FACTS THAT COMPLETELY REFUTE HIS NARRATIVE.
Folks, Mitt Romney is not psychologically fit to be President. Nor is he sufficiently rigorous to handle the solemn, complicated, and sometimes intractable demands placed upon our Command in Chief. The office of the President demands a calm demeanor. It requires a person willing and able to command the facts. Mitt Romney does not display these traits. On the contrary, he has shown, again and again, a propensity to jump to conclusions and take momentous steps without full consideration or even possession of facts that are readily available.
The upcoming final Presidential debate will focus on foreign policy. Both Romney and Ryan have demonstrated utter ineptness in this crucial area of Presidential responsibility. While Romney might well lead the Small Business Administration and Ryan serve in some accounting capacity, neither has the over-arching perspective, wisdom, honesty, and intellect required to be Commander in Chief.
Hey, Joe, why are we playing semantics, here? Why do we need code words like "Act Of Terror" for incidents like the death of Ambassador Stevens? Do you think it makes any difference to his family and friends if you call it an "Act Of Terror" or not? Does it make the events of that day any less tragic?
President Obama was right about one thing...you don't play politics with something like that. President Reagan and the first President Bush seemed to understand that as they chose not to pounce on President Carter when the mission to rescue the hostages in Iran failed. Mr. Romney doesn't seem to get that point as, if you'll recall, he pounced at the first sign of trouble and spoke out of turn before anybody even could confirm that Ambassador Stevens was killed.
If you'll recall, it was Congressional Republicans who just one week after the incident said that any discussion of the decrease in funding for security for our embassies was merely an attempt to score "cheap political points". Mr. Romney doesn't seem to care, though, and wants to use it like a football. That's a poor thing to do when compared to the man who is President and Commander-In-Chief.
What a ridiculous statement. Wouldn't a cover-up suggest that we were never supposed to even hear about the entire incident in the first place?
In the real world, we learn all the facts and then reach a conclusion. Just because that conclusion matches what you said on Day One it does not validate the case for "Cowboy Diplomacy".
Before the CBS flash poll went up, my wife and I thought the debate was a tie. Then the poll came up (from undecided voters) about 1/3 for Obama, about 1/3 for Romney, and about 1/3 said it was a tie...
Since Obama FAILED to capture any momentum and turn the tide away from Romney's increasing support, I'd say Romney won (on a macro basis).
Romney / Ryan 2012
Bill,
Both campaigns signed on for the type of debate format, the rules, and the moderator.
Both Candy Cowley and Martha Raddetz before her showed the audience int he room and across the nation what a real journalist, reporter looks like.
get over it , your guy lost.
I thought the questions from real people were great.
Early this morning, Ben Bernanke was seen, speaking to himself, laughing: "they talked about the economy all night, and didn't even mention the Federal Reserve once!" "Winning!"
Good morning, everyone.
What did we learn about Mitt Romney and women from last night's debate?
1. He won't say he's for equal pay, but if there are any jobs left over after all the men are hired, he'll consider hiring them.
2. He's more than happy to hire women to work for him during the day, as long as they get home at night in time to cook dinner.
3. Women who raise children on their own raise violent children. Ahem. Never mind the exception to the rule standing on the stage next to him.
4. He's into stocks, bonds, and binders full of women.
5. He even lied about the binders.
http://elections.americablog.com/2012/10/romneys-binder-full-of-women-story-was-a-lie.html
I just KNEW this guy wouldn't have recognized a gender gap in his hiring unless someone else pointed it out to him.
Mitt Romney -- stocks, bonds, and bondage.
I agree. These two men don't respect each other.
For President Obama, there is no reason why he should. Romney is a liar.
For Mitt Romney, no surprise. He doesn't respect anyone but his rich cohorts. Republicans as a whole respect no one. They haven't for decades.
"DID YOU FEEL THAT BOUNCE?" Last night I saw our President give a butt woopin to Romney that I havent seen since the John Kennedy days. It was a joy to behold. The President looked Presidential, acted Presidental and showed the nation why he's the President. Romney was so out of his league in this debate that he looked like a High Scooller in his first debate. Thanks Mr. Romney for last night. You just insured a 2nd term for President Obama. Next time try to to get your facts straight before you make up lies that make you look like a fool. But, that's not your style is it? Just keep lying.
OBAMA IN 2012.
Charles Pierce, per TOD:
That moment when he was hectoring the president about the president’s pension made him look like someone to whom the valet has brought the wrong Mercedes.
“You’ll get your chance in a moment. I’m still speaking.”
Wow. To me, this was a revelatory, epochal moment. It was a look at the real Willard Romney, the Bain cutthroat who could get rich ruining lives and not lose a moment’s sleep….
And Romney complained endlessly – endlessly – about the rules, and why this uppity fellow on the other stool was allowed to speak before he was spoken to, and why he didn’t get to speak at length on whatever he wanted to speak on because, after all, he is the CEO of the stage…
…. The one thing nobody can ever say now is that they didn’t know the exact character of Willard Romney, and exactly how he feels about The Help, including that member of The Help who currently holds the job that Romney believes should have been his by virtue of his god-kissed, golden life.
“You’ll get your chance in a moment. I’m still speaking.”
Put all those Romneys together and that’s what they sound like, even when they’re talking to the president of the United States. It’s the voice of the bloodless job-killer, the outsourcing Moloch of the industrial midwest, and the guy who poses with his Wall Street cronies with dollar bills in his mouth. People who claim to be interested in “character” should remember that.
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President Obama doesn't respect this man? None of us do. Why should we?
President Obama looked him right in the eyes told him off, for all of us.
Bounce or not, I don't like either of them. No detailed plans from either side. Neither one can answer a simple question without tons of rhetoric (maybe that's just politics).
We have members of Congress that signed a lobbyist pledge (which should be illegal) -- they can't agree on anything.
The only way something will get done is if both houses and the prez are of the same party. That makes a 4-term presidecy just 2 terms because one of the houses will change majority at mid-election.
Face it, we're F***ed and our system sucks!!
Obama fights back and kicks Mitt's pompous a$$.
Did you see the look on Ann's face immediately after the debate? I'll wager Mitt got a second beating later. :)
Put some butter on that toast, GOP.
And once again, the winners of last night's debates are ::drum roll::
the Federal Reserve,
the Demopublican-Republicrat Party,
Goldman Sachs,
JP Morgan Chase,
Bank of America,
Wells Fargo,
Halliburton,
Boeing,
Raytheon,
Lockheed Martin,
Northrop Grumman,
General Dynamics,
News Corporation,
Time Warner,
Viacom,
CBS,
NBC and
Monsanto.
Those who benefit from crony corporatism and continuous war thank you for your vote for their candidate Marittack Obamney!!
The only takeaway I got from the focus group participants, was how ill informed they seemed. It was obvious, especially the women, they were not students of the election process, the candidates and their past histories. Any woman who has followed this process from the beginning and paid attention to what Romney and the republicans think of women in general, should know they don't have their best interests at heart....on any topic.
The lack of critical thinking skills was evident and points to the need for our citizens to be better educated if we are to succeed going into the next generations.
The Feisty One won last night.
Mitt is the Annoying One - Da A-Noid.
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4 MORE YEARS....
ForWARD...
Strong debate, touching a wide range of topics. In my view point, it was a clear win by the President.
Points for the president:
1. Comparing Mitt's "trust me" plan on taxes to an investor that wants to borrow 8 trillion dollars but doesn't want to provide details. "That is a sketchy deal and Mitt you wouldn't buy that. Neither should the American people."
2. Obama's presidentail handling of the Libya question, practically scolding Romney in his stool for asserting that Obama politicized the attack.
3. Obama's off the cuff but meaninful comment - "Read the transcript" Refering to his describing the Bengahzi attack as "An act of Terror." The moment was made more poignant by Mitt stopping, pointing to the supposed gaffe and highlighting that Obama made no so such remark. The look on Mitt's face when Candy told the truth was priceless.
4. Obama scored on his closing arguements, reminding us to read the transcript when Romney called 47% of American's takers, victims and unwilling to take responsibility for their lives.
5. Obama scored on the question's asked about immigration. He scored when he responded to the disheartened man about what he has done to improve the economy. When Obama highlighted his accomplishments, Mitt's response about the economy not being good enough sounded shrill and weak.
Romney couldn't connect with the voters, he wouldn't answer their questions and instead veered off into scripted talking points. Don't know how single parenting became a response about gun control laws.
Perhaps in an attempt to reach out to the common man Mitt admitted that he purused "binders full of women" while governor. Seriously though, in his response to the women's issue he seemed to belittle women by mentioning that he let his chief of staff go home early, "You know so she could cook dinner." Seemed a bit dismissive to me. Obama's response encompassing a wide range of women/economic issues was better.
The only point where Romney had a good talking point was his meme about "We can do better, America deserves better. Don't settle...blah, blah, blah." However once again he refuses to say how he will grow the economy.
No knockouts but Romney was stunned and hurt by the "Read the transcript" comment and when the audience was reminded about his disregard for the 47%. Prize fight analysis - Obama wins 7 rounds, Mitt wins 3 rounds, 2 are a tie.
Pat
How long till the RWNJ talk this down?
President Obama kicked ass and took names last night!
Terrific analysis and posts, fellow liberals. Great debate last night. President Obama won clearly and the flash polls back that up.
As Howard Fineman pointed out last night, the Obama team was quick to hit the spin room without talking points--each talked differently about the debate, President Obama's answers, what they felt was most effective. The Romney team was slow to arrive in the spin room but they came with talking points, each saying nearly the same thing. It was evident in the Romney team's demeanor that they knew President Obama took Mitt to the cleaners.
Obama had more enthusiasm then I thought he could muster to hide his dismal record. The 47% remark at the end was diffused by Romney before he made it.
It is clear Obama knows nothing about the economy or jobs and Romney came across as someone who does. Obama knows nothing about energy and Romney does. Obama has messed up foreign policy so bad Romney can't do worse.
All that was clear last night.
The President is on the offensive...excellent....
Mitt ...is ... just.............offensive...Shame on you...Mitt.
California Tom
"DID YOU FEEL THAT BOUNCE?"
Good Morning California Tom
That was MYTH jumping from his car elevator. Queen Ann got it right MYTH has a mental problem; a severe one.
FIRED UP
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I was really happy to hear something about immigration last night. As I've been saying for a long time around here, the best way to deal with immigration is to start the line with those already following the rules. It was really refreshing to hear Romney say that, promote legal immigration by putting them first, change immigration laws requiring lawyers (just think about how much that costs and who's paying for those lawyers), stop illegal immigration at the borders, and give a path to citizenship for the kids of illegal immigrants. I really liked Romney's idea to put green cards on college degrees to keep the best and the brightest (that we recruit to go to our universities) here and get them working for US. I completely agree that we should cherry pick the best from best and get them to create here. Absolutely agree!
When the President noted that illgeal immigration is at a 20 year low, it made me think of all of the articles I've read over the last few years. The articles noted that individual States were enacting new immigration laws and enforcing their laws, that the DOJ was actively putting injunctions against the states to stop them from enforcing their immigration laws, and that our economy has been so weak over the last 3-4 years that Americans have been taking 2-3 part time jobs to make ends meet- that means that there are a lot less open positions and that illegals are having a harder time getting those jobs. So in the end our economy isn't supporting them as freely as was the case a few years earlier, so they go home. So I don't see where the President was going with current policy is working.
That's two debates Romney has lost. The first time he lost by lying throughout the evening.
Last night he lost on points.
What was most clear? Romney showed the disrespect he has for women, both by the "binders full of women" comment, and his disrespect for Ms. Crowley.
And, he demonstrated, yet again, how unsuitable he is for high office. He expects to be deferred to, since he is, of course, the "great" Mitt Romney. He becomes petty and boorish when he does not receive the preferential treatment he demands.
See, Elliot (#1.38) -- here's the deal.
It turns out that Crowley may have to walk back the walk back, as it is entirely possible that the administration's first take on the situation was actually correct --
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/world/africa/election-year-stakes-overshadow-nuances-of-benghazi-investigation.html?_r=1
So, I advise YOU, Elliot, to consider your words carefully, as it behooved Romney to do so on the day of the attack.
In the cold light of truth, both of you seem more than a little foolish to me.
Kaybee,
Maybe it will help them slip out of the JAM they are in! lol
I did not watch the debate last night.
Because I was bored before it begun.
Really, no more informed decisions either coming from the nut job one partiers, like you find right here on First Read, or from the media hype about how 'important' the debate is.
That's right, and I'm voting. With probably a more level head and smarter vote than the vapor heads of one party who never even bothered to think once for themselves. So if people don't like that, they can go f**k themselves.
I'm laughing all the way to the voting booth!
Candy Crowley was the biggest loser in this debate. Moderators are not supposed to insert their two cents into the discussion, but she clearly did .
The big winner of this debate was Mitt Romney. The central issues facing voters are the economy and jobs. Mr. Romney exposed Mr. Obama's abysmal record on both and Obama's lack of a concrete plan to address either. In contrast, Mr Romney put forth his clear record of economic success, in both the private and public sector,and a concrete plan to get our economy back on track and create private sector jobs. In addition, voters will now be demanding specific answers about why our Ambassador was not properly protected in Benghazi and who it was that made that call. Questions Mr. Obama never answered and he will have to face again in the foreign policy debate less than 7 days away.
As for Mr. Obama,he had a better showing than his abysmal performance in the first debate, but his first debate performance was so bad that simply showing up and talking with a modicum of relevance was better.Which is just about all he did last night.In fact, most of what he said was a repeat of the first debate. He just said it with a little more passion. Big whoop! Over all, so far Mr. Obama has looked every bit the amateur he really is. When the dust settles and the votes are cast Romney will win.
Anna Molly
Mitt Romney -- stocks, bonds, and bondage.
Yup, they are all in his binder below.
http://bindersfullofwomen.tumblr.com/
It's not really whining or playing the victim Dcia, it's just a truth that has to be dealt with by every Republican. It's a known, a constant, something that needs to understood when going into the debate. It's not that anyone is at fault, the Republican just needs to be prepared for it. It's an axiom of how the media behaves.
President Obama believes in the Dream Act.....Mittens doesn't
Obama: Romney Said 'I Would Veto the Dream Act' | Video - ABC News
OMG Beverly (#1.51), that went up FAST. Thank you SO much. I borrowed it for my FB wall. Hope you don't mind.
I do not deny that the "George Bush" question is legitimate in a one-on-one interview with Mitt Romney, but how is it a debate question? What is the legitimate purpose of Barack Obama answering such a question? As pointed out Barack Obama should have been asked to answer the same question regarding himself, or, why has he been such a lousy president compared to Bill Clinton.
Europe is in big trouble now, for not passing a stimulus - with unemployment rates up to 22% and increasing.
Under President Obama, 5.2 million jobs were created without any help from GOP. GOP has blocked every jobs measure, including the Veterans Jobs Bill a few weeks ago.
GOP has filibustered at 3 times the pace ever seen in American history.
Face up to the fact that the Republican party pledged to obstruct our recovery, with the object of blaming the fallout on the President. As horrendous as that is, the President's policies prevented us from tanking down into an even bigger, more disastrous economic hole.
America is back because of President Obama. FACE IT.
TexasT-2966501, I am pretty sure you are not part of 1% of the population that would pay $50,000 a plate dinner to see Romney or Obama. So, I would assume that you are either part of the 47% group (takers group - that Romney loathes) or the 52% group (hard working Americans). Either way, based on what Romney has been saying in the past 1 year and especially in the past 1 month (when he has drastically changed his position on almost every issue - etch-a-sketch), how can any sensible person vote for Romney? He is clueless about the economy and he is clueless about the foreign policy. He thinks Romneycare is good for MA, but not for the rest of the US. He wants to take away women's reproductive healthcare, healthcare for pre-existing conditions, etc. If Romney becomes the President, middle class will see a raise in their taxes and more tax cuts for the wealthy (Republican code name for that group of people is JOB CREATORS).
Don't pour gasoline on yourself and light it up, for you will burn to death. Think twice before voting for Romney.
A very typical response from Gingerbread Mama @1.39. If you dont agree with everything the President and all other liberals think you must be ill-informed. IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH ALL OUR TALKING POINTS YOU MUST NOT BE INTELLIGENT!
More Obama/Biden lies exposed. This time by Foreign Policy magazine
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
another Romney WTF???
so according to Mitt, employers are not anxious to hire women now? So shouldn't he be for the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act?
NBC is showing it's colors ... again. I actually watched this debate, and I would call it a draw. The dems were desperate for Obama to have a win, so the liberal media is saying he won. But the polls are pretty much showing a tie.
And, as moderator, this Candy person should not have corrected what either one said. Her job is to coordinate time and questions, not to make political commentary. And Obama did not call it an organized terrorist attack that first day. He did blame it on the video and an uncoordinated uprising. That's really unimportant. What's important in the Libya situation is that the state dept ignored multiple request for additional security from our people stationed there.
Let's go over 3 things that make you look stupid, when you associate them with politics:
1. The Yankees.
2. Apple Computers
3. Stocks and Bonds
Really, get a brain. I'm a Yankee fan, and the best team won. Not a problem. I own an iPhone. And I own stocks and bonds. And I've voted for Democrats, Republicans and independents. So far as I can tell, the only people making things like this political issues have the issues themselves.
Seriously, there is something called thinking. I recommend those people do it more.
It's about time Obama called out Romney's lying ass. "He was for it before he was against it" is a central theme with Mitt Romney. The man is perfect for the Republicans. All they want is some empty soul to sign whatever Grover Norquist puts in front of him. They have that man in Romney.
I didn't watch the debate for the this reason. I wanted to see who was crying in their beer today. If it was the Democrats who I stand with, or the republican/tea party. Well it seems thats the republican/tea party has a bad taste in its mouth again. It sounds like Rmoney dropped a non polishable turd in your lap again, just like little paulie did. I've heard the quote of the night was "We have binders on women" Mitt Rmoney. Thats the way to win the hearts and minds of the Lady's.
Romney still can't answer a straight question.
Romney says he's been in business all his life But even that's not true. He's been running for political office for 19 years. Sounds like a career to me.
Look, I'm a Republican,
and I'm Voting for President Obama.
Not only am I a Republican who's Voting for President Obama,
I am also voting a straight Democratic ticket come this November 2012.
Why?
I'm glad you asked.
Here's why!
You be the Judge.
Mitt ROMNEY: known LIAR, admitted TAX-CHEAT, probable FELON,
who only AVOIDED those FELONY CHARGES by COWARDLY
"RETIRING RETRO-ACTIVELY" from BAIN CAPITAL.
or BARACK OBAMA, the Kind, the Good, the Merciful?
It's No contest.
Vote a straight Democratic ticket come this November 2012
to Once and forAll, send Mitt Romney and his Republican Masters,
KARL ROVE, DICK CHENEY, GROVER NORQUIST,
"BACK to the POLITICAL DUNG HEAP of HISTORY".
Hokey-dokey?
ps. Is this a Great post, or what?
You want to put a link on this because Europe is a big place with many levels of unemployment and DEBT. Are the places with the big unemployment numbers the same places with the big debt? Are they the same places where they simply couldn't print money and couldn't borrow more to maintain their government. If this is the case how could they pass a stimulus? With magic beans?
And how did we pass a stimulus? That's right we borrowed it, and now we are printing the money we need. BTW, after the stimulus ran out what happened to all those jobs that depended on it? I'll give you a clue, when A123 Systems ran out of money and couldn't borrow any more from the government (stimulus money) what happened? Those windmills in Iowa if they cannot get government money what's going to happen?
JoAnnaSmith1
Moderator Candy Crowley actually asked this question, it is right off the Obama/Democratic talking points:
Get back in your binder Smurf
Candy Crowely was mellow.
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I said yesterday that I didn't expect the Libya nontroversy to come up in the debate. I was wrong, but I'll bet Mitt Romney wishes I had been right. Obama did well on many other things as well, but he demolished Romney on Romney's craven attempt to politicize the issue. The only memorable line from the first debate was Romney's ridiculous "Big Bird" comment. The most memorable line in this second debate was Obama telling Romney to his face that Romney's insinuations about Libya were offensive.
The AP article on the debate followed the time-honored media doctrine of the False Equivalency. It mentioned that Obama had said that he had called the Benghazi attack an act of terrorism the day after it happened and that Romney claimed Obama had said nothing about terrorism for two weeks. The article dared not mention that it is a fact that Obama was right and that Romney was just making stuff up again. The usual "he-said-he-said" treatment.
Candy Crowley deserves credit for pointing out the facts, and she got a round of applause from the audience for doing it. Her violation of False Equivalency dogma may have angered some of her fellow journalists.
BTW: Chris Matthews mentioned that the NY Times reported yesterday that there was, in fact, a protest in Benghazi about the anti-Islam video the day of the assault. Why is this not being reported? Could it be that the corporate media story is now set in concrete about how it was clear from Day One that it was a terror attack alone and there were not protests?
What is Obama's plans for the next four years? Take a peek at the current France situation after implementing O's type of tax plan. How is that working out for their leader and more importantly its citizens?
Elliot -- same post (#1.38), yet another misstatement coming from Breitbart.
The reality is, Elliot, that there were no private capital funds available for a managed bankruptcy. No one on Wall Street, which had problems of its own, and not even Bain Capital, stepped forward to offer bankruptcy support for GM. Without such support, the "managed" bankruptcy was doomed.
Romney had to know this, if he actually knows anything at all. Even the chairman of Ford knew it when he went to Capitol Hill to plead for bailout funds for GM and Chrysler because he knew that if they went down, Ford would go down, too, as the supply chain became disrupted.
If Romney didn't know this, it merely proves he is incompetent.
My guess? Romney was advocating bankruptcy because he KNEW it would end in liquidation, and his vulture capitalist cronies would be able to swoop in and pick up the asset at fire sale prices. Indeed, that's all a vulture capitalist really knows how to do.
Hey Mr. Texas: My salary has increased by about 26% in the last four years, so I guess I can afford another four years. So what's your point?
JAS1 -- When a group is so far right of mainstream all media except FOX "News" or Limbaugh's radio program seems biased.
Why is it that Republicans don't recognize or understand mainstream?
main·stream/ˈmānˌstrēm/
Noun:
The ideas, attitudes, or activities that are regarded as normal or conventional;
Mittens stepped in it with Libya, $5 Trillion in cuts he can't ever explain. He was VERY rude to the sitting President again. Mittens is classless all the way around.
Mittens stepped in it last night with blaming single moms for the assault weapon problems in America. Or as he said, more families will bring down gun violence. Mittens threw out more numbers last night than the dude from the TV show Numbers!
President Obama was Presidential last night. Mittens showed he doesn't have the chops to be Prez.
Mittens has used the death of 2 people for political purposes which is bush league to say the least. The dead Navy SEALs and Amb. Stevens should be honored not used against anyone for gain! But thats the GOP.. "Mission Accomplished?" ring a bell GOP?
4 years of Mittens will get America a 5 step plan:
1st step: Higher unemployment of 10% by year 1.
2nd step: War with Iran, Syria, Russia & China
3rd step: Taxes slashed for himself and his rich cronies on the backs of the middle class
4th step: Bankruptcy filing for America because we'll be $25 - $30 Trillion in debt if Mittens is Prez.
5th step:
Way to go Romney!!
It's clear that when Obama can't win on his own he has to have a sidekick... Romney did very well with 2 against 1... It's clear that is how the left likes to play the debate game. It's too bad that they barely squeaked out a win but still a statistical dead heat. All that effort by Obama and his moderator side kick and the best they can do is barely eek out a win. I'd say Barry is not a very happy camper this morning.
Vote Romney/Ryan 2012!!
Romney's Tale - Not a true story.
TOD:
What actually happened was that in 2002 — prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration — a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women’s Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.
They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.
http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2012/10/16/mind-the-binder.aspx
To the Albanian Idiot and with the hyena laugh, and Bill with his Fairfuax facts. I simply have one question. When acts of terror are committed, who commits them? Bill and Joe would have us believe they are NOT committed by terrorists because Obama didn't say the word terrorist. Nuance, schmuance, when the president said 'acts of terror', he meant acts of terror, committed by terrorists, for terrorist causes, to support terrorist ideology, for the purpose of terrorizing the nation, in the name of terrorism.
Of course, those two idiots will continue to wake up each morning with a bad case of night terrors, caused by their extreme Obama-hate syndrome. We need Obama for another 4 years to continue on his path of healing the country. That the Albanian and Fairfaux idiots sleepless nights will be filled with terror is simply icing on the cake, with the double pleasure of a cherry on top.
Romney is now the leader of the non-working, do nothing filibustering GOP controlled congress with an all time low 7% approval.
With a record 500+ filibusters, PLEDGES to NEVER generate more cash for the govt, with ZERO compromises, voter suppression, creating war on women, and with no record of any accomplishments or anything done for the country in 40 years.
Undecides keep ignoring the REAL culprits behind the slow recovery on the economy and jobs.
Only a "super majority" can stop the the Republican obstruction of the past 3 years.
We have a communication problem if these undecided voters are not aware that the GOP has done NOTHING but get in the way of legislation.
Obama has a 51% approval and has been waiting for job bills to sign from the GOP losers that just won't pass any.
Remember that the President doesn't pass the bills, he just signs them.
Put blame where blame is really due.
Ian Emdee, Anna Molly, Pat Boston, Yellowdog Mark excellent posts. DaNoid, great rebuttal to Albany Joe.
Anna Molly, I found myself wondering if the "binders full of women" were hired because Romney could pay them less than the men.
Pat Boston, that quote says everything we need to know about Mitt Romney the petulant CEO who really does like "firing people. "You'll get your chance in a moment. I'm still speaking." Arrogant, rude, nasty, mean, full of disdain, and disrespectful--that is the real Mitt Romney.
Feisty, to that $1.00 donation for right-wingers spinning act of terror vs terrorist attack, we should add another $1.00 for every right-winger blaming Candy Crowley for the failures of Mitt Romney.
ED-2874315
I thought I also heard him say that he worked for a SMALL business. If so, does that mean he considers corporate raider outfits like Bain to be Mom and Pop operations like the local beauty salon?
Romney nor any American citizen should respect Obama. He has shown no one in this country respect so why should anyone in their right mind not laugh out loud when he walks in a room. The Libya fiasco is still biting him. He tried to say he is not a Govt guy last night as he threw out the 47% remark. If you on the left want to talk about lies then speak about your lies. But that would mean speaking the truth and you can't do that. If you did you would have to turn in your Democrat card and that's all that is precious to you. Not the truth or a love for your country.
I read a comment above by gingerbread that said she was concerned about the focus groups and how ill informed they were. That is a good thing for you on the left. That's what you count on. If they become informed they will never vote for your guy.
Mitt Romney was asked a question about pay equity for women.
Rather than admit that he has refused to say whether he would have signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, and that his running mate voted against it, Romney instead spoke about being given “whole binders full of women” to consider when his closest advisers were incapable of identifying qualified women for his cabinet.
But as governor of Massachusetts, Romney neglected to elevate women to the bench by disproportionately nominating white males for judicial appointments.
Romney Had Only Nominated Two Women For Judgeships After Two Years In Office
Click here to read more about Mitt Romney’s record on women in government.
Click here to read more about Mitt Romney’s record on young women.
Romney Initially Refused To Say Whether He Would Have Signed The Lilly Ledbetter Act
FY06: Romney Vetoed Funding For Child Care Providers By $2.5 Million
Click here to read more about Mitt Romney’s record on mothers in need.
Romney Ended All Funding For A Cervical And Breast Cancer Program.
Click here to read more about Mitt Romney’s record on senior women.
Romney Vetoed A Bill To Require Hospitals To Offer Emergency Contraception To Rape Victims But The Veto Was Overridden
Click here to read more about Romney’s record on victims of violence.
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Obama/Biden2012
JK1963
Yeah, how DARE the moderator step in to point out the facts about what Obama said on the Libya attack while Romney was busy lying about it. So unfair! How can a liar make a dishonest living with people like Candy Crowley around?
Not so fast my unstable liberals.
First Fact check Candy. She might be a little off on her support of the President.
Immigration? First year Mr Obama? Full control of House and Senate?
Failed promises! Failed policies! Great talker, horrible leader!!
Romney/Ryan 2012
Great Catch Jody!
The sound of CHA-CHING is deafening around here! lol
PS: Anyone know where the usual swoop & poop* crowd is today?
This place is a whole lot cleaner without their incoherant "one-liners'!
Any guesses about who it was that was applauding in the audience in violation of the rules?
According to Susan Katz during her CNN interview, moments ago, it was none other than............... Michelle Obama! Even she knows that Barack needed to be propped up, so she violated the rules. I guess she needs to be banned from the audience if she can't follow the rules.
Obama Lies.
Where does the buck stop? On Libya after successfully throwing Hillary under the chinese made bus, he steps in like Prince Valiant and leads from behind (why now?). But gas prices come up and its Bush's fault. LOL. Sure Bengahzi Barry. Then Iraq. Obama got us out of Iraq, now Romney should have pointed out SOFA Iraq and one would clearly see Bush and the Iraqi government had a date set when the US forces would withdraw. Obama had no choice but to follow along or renegotiate the agreement (Iraq said piss off). So Obama had no choice but to follow the agreement.
The best question i saw was, Hey Romney what would be different between you and Bush? WTF? where was the counter for Obama? Hey Obama whats the difference between you and say Jimmy Carter or Vladimir Lenin?
The final question I have, Was Feisty wearing wild animal furs and screaming like Xena the Amazon warrior during the debate?
RedDevPS
And to follow up Bill and Joe WHY did the president move two warships off the coast of Libya?
Good one, Feisty!
I'm having an Obama Breakfast (GOOD EGG) this morning.
The righties are having a Romney Breakfast (MILQUETOAST).
Our Prez flattened old Mittens like a pancake last night and our people slept soundly, safe in their beds!
It's morning in America, and the sun is shining from sea to shining sea!
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So by definition DCIA, you're telling us you're not in the mainstream of political thought in this country. It's about time you admitted same.
Anna Molly
OMG Beverly (#1.51), that went up FAST. Thank you SO much. I borrowed it for my FB wall. Hope you don't mind.
Not at all, I'll do the same
Feisty Redhead:
Romney showed his skill at dodging a question on that one. He was asked about what he'd do concerning equal pay for women. Judging from his answer, he apparently will hire "binders full of women" for his administration. That wouldn't help much with women not interested in working for a Romney administration. But how would feel about being Romney's Secretary of State, Feisty? Get your name in one of those binders and you'll have it made.
Mitt certainly speaks with a forked tongue. Is willing to pander to anything and anyone and use any tactic to get ahead... once there you can forget everything he said and he will re-sketch himself! I am totally convinced he is the wrong person and at this time the Republican party is the wrong party to get us out of this mess. They have ALWAYS taken care of the rich, corps, banks, cartels and right now what we need is a push for the masses - the middle class to get out of the rut not more of enriching the 'haves'. Though Obama may not be the perfect / ideal person, he is the best we have for that purpose. Mitt thinks or says he is going to crack down on China. Either he is naieve or just plain foolish. He DOES not know the Chinese. Maybe someone should suggest he do a little more research. Dealing with the Chinese and the Middle East as well as steering around the Euro crisis is going to take a deft approach not more shoot from the hip bring em on crap that has proven disastrous and hollowed out the US. If the cold war bankrupted the Soviet Union, our own idiots will totally destroy this country... Bush has done the major damage and all we need is a Romney - Ryan to complete the destruction of the America we know.
A binder full of women... Romney was never my first choice, but this comment helps to solidify him as the better candidate!
The good-old-boy network was alive and well when Romney took office as governor. He demonstrated his disgust, and how he solved this ugly issue.
Thank you Mitt for not accepting the status-quo. Thank you for more than lip service. Thank you for a record to stand on, and being prepared for the office of the presidency from day 1.
RepbublicansForObama,
Yes.
That was a great post.
So if we accept that the Mainstream Media is very much in favor of gay marriage why has no state, including California, ever voted to pass a gay marriage law?
The mainstream is usually where your opinions lie, it is very subjective.
Housing starts hit fastest pace in 4 years
Reading is FUNdamental, you might want to take a closer look at my post. Then you can explain why the dominant administration narrative on Univision, The View, Letterman, the U.N. and the Sunday talk shows was that the Benghazi violence was the result of a spontaneous outrage over a video and not an coordinated terrorist attack. But I won't be holding my breath.
GingerBreadMama .. I believe these are the "women in a binder" Romney was referring to. I was stunned that they would consider a Romney/Ryan ticket, given that the party would prefer to execute them in the event they elect to abort an unwanted pregnancy.
Houston,
If Romney was lying why did the moderator Candy Crowley walk her comment back? It was a play on words obviously.
After the debate, debate moderator Candy Crowley said Republican nominee Mitt Romney was “right in the main” but “picked the wrong word” on the Obama administration’s immediate response to the terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya, that left four Americans dead.
Crowley interrupted Romney during the debate, insisting that President Obama had in fact called the attack an “act of terror.”
ROMNEY: I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.
OBAMA: Get the transcript.
CROWLEY: It — it — it — he did in fact, sir. So let me — let me call it an act of terror…
OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy?
CROWLEY: He — he did call it an act of terror. It did as well take — it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that.
In a statement given in the Rose Garden on Sept. 12, Obama emphasized an anti-Islam video, before saying that “no acts of terror would shake the resolve of this great nation.”
The administration’s narrative on the attack over the next two weeks was muddled.
On Sept. 16, U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice attributed the attack on the U.S. Consulate to violent protests stemming from a “heinous and offensive” video.
On Sept. 25, the president himself declined to call the attack an act of terrorism during an interview with “The View,” saying that an investigation was still ongoing.
Update (12:22 a.m.): After the debate, “Romney was actually right on Libya” trended on Twitter in the United States:
washingtonfreebeacon
I still don't know the answer too the question Romney asked Obama last night on the oil leases Obama has approved in fact Obama never answered any questions.
Stocks rally strongly as earnings concerns ease
Stock market is good gauge of election
No one should politicize Obama's failed record. How Dare you right wingers.
Popcorn anyone?
caesar augustus Was Feisty wearing wild animal furs............
little caesar Were you wearing your wifes lingerie while watching the debate?
PIZZA PIZZA !!!
Domestic energy production is WAY UP under President Obama. That's a fact.
But, how can that be? Doesn't the GOPeaParty contend business has been shackled under President Obama?
This is just one more Romney talking point that doesn't add up.
Bill in Fairfax -- What I AM SAYING is you are not in the mainstream. Now sit back Bill and wait for your favorite program to hit the airwaves, Mr. Limbaugh will tell you your talking points for tomorrow.
I don't need TV or Radio to guide me Bill.
For the record, I thought the President did a great job in knocking down the Fox "News" talking points Romney seemed to have memorized for the debate.
Thank you togas!
You beat me to the response... It's funny that Obama said YouTube more times than he said AlQueda... It's clear that this clueless wonder thought that the incident was caused by a video and not by terrorists...but that's what you get for all that hope and change...
Vote Romney!
The Mormon vs. The Moron!
And also next week, on Monday, we’ll have the final presidential debate -- from Boca Raton, FL. And this is a potential problem for Romney. Why? Because it won’t be a conversation about jobs and the economy (where even one instapoll showed Romney winning, even if he lost the entire debate). Instead, it’s a showdown on foreign policy. As conservative pundit Laura Ingraham tweeted last night, “TERRIBLE miscalculation for GOP to agree that final debate wd be on foreign policy. Whose bright idea was THIS when jobs/economy #1 issue?”
As if another reason is needed to persuade the voters that this guy is simply too stupid for the office. Wrongme has made one dumb mistake after another. 20 days to go, 20 more stupid mistakes.
For quite some time polls have said the majority of people do not think the country is on the right track. This has been true when the democrats controlled the house and senate and now when the republicans control the house. The only consistent thing about the polls has been the leadership of the president. Spin it as you will, I don't think this election will boil down to a mistake in a debate. What the debates did reveal was Mr Romney is not the ogre the president and his minions have portrayed him to be. Will it be about who lies? Probably not, they both lie. Will it be about their record? Lets hope so, we know what we have and we know how things have gone and if we are willing to sign on for more of the same, so be it.
Hey defend Obama's record HAHAHAHA @ YOU!
and Ian '3M TA3' Emdee, you're posting rather nervously this morning. Gas Prices, the buck stops with BUSH. ABJECT FAILURE
Hey you guys have the 1%er Big Bird, Guy Fawkes, Che Guevara, tax returns, 47%. Perhaps Obama could have pulled out his Pokemon. He chooses Pikachu!
Quote.....(Reuters) - President Barack Obama on Monday said the United States was challenging Chinese auto and auto-parts subsidies that threatened American jobs as he campaigned in Ohio, an auto manufacturing state that could be decisive in the November presidential election.......EndQuote
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/17/us-obama-trade-idUSBRE88G02420120917
Romney still can't explain the math of his economic plan. When pressed for specifics on how he would change tax deductions, Romney said 'pick a number' for the amount of deductions one would get under his plan. Romney chose $25000 dollars as the example on the limit on itemized deductions that one could use for any of the deductions they wanted with the $25000 being the limit. But still no mention of what deductions would be there for the average taxpayer to choose from. Plus, what will this 'pick a number, any number' truly be as a limit for deductions be? Inquiring minds want to know!
And Romney is touted as a 'good' businessman with an economic plan like that?
I don't think so. We don't need no stinkin' businessman as president!
TOD: LoL!!!
Someone else tweeted this first, but I'll steal it: "Please proceed, governor" is the new eff you"
John Heilemann (@jheil) October 17, 2012
________
That's exactly what the president was saying to Romney as he looked into his eyes.
We all saw it. And we loved it.
thetotas
Obama said he had called the attack an "act of terror" the day after it occurred. Romney pounced on that statement but he stepped on a land mine instead. Those are the facts, no matter how badly you want to spin the truth.
It took a couple weeks for the administration to conclude an organized terror attack had occurred. Professionals don't have the luxury of shooting from the lip that Mitt Romney has.
Who tried the hardest to help Obama in the last 48 hours..... Hillary or Candy Crowley??
HEADLINE: Here Are The Facts Behind Obama And Romney's Huge Energy Policy Fight
Domestic energy production under President Obama is higher and still headed up on a steep incline. See the graph at the article below.
http://www.businessinsider.com/domestic-energy-production-debate-2012-10
BTW---Energy production FELL during the ENTIRE last republican administration. IT STARTED BACK UP AS SOON AS PRESIDENT OBAMA TOOK OFFICE.
Good one strong! Obama is calling in all the favors now in the homestretch... His record has come up way short and he needs all the help he can get...
GenFUNerically, there is nothing FUN when it comes to reading your posts. Drivel tends to be tedious to work through, in fact it is akin to wading through syrup. But in all fairness, I did read your post, and guess what, the impact of the video on the uprisings in Northern Africa is still an unknown. It clearly seems to the cause of the riots in Egypt, and it appears it may have been a pre-cursor to the uprisings in Libya. In fact, pro-American Libyans still maintain the acts of terror were from a local group vs. Al Queda. But hey Bill, go right ahead and and do a Romney and start blaming any and everyone. Hell, for all we know, Adelson, the rich billionaire Romney supporter FUNded the video and planted the seeds of dissFUNent. Isn't that FUNtabulous to specFUNulate.
Here's the only article I could find on the story Chris Matthews mentioned last night that totally shoots the bogus narratives the corporate media has bought from Republicans about the Benghazi attacks below. News sites like NBC, which normally reprint NY Times articles, apparently don't want their readers to know about this one. "All the news that fits our narrative" is their motto.
http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/10/16/contrary-to-right-wing-media-claims-report-conf/190649
The Presidents policies are not about change they are now the status quo.
HEADLINE: Made In The USA: An Export Boom
U.S. exports are up more than 30 percent from just two years ago, when President Obama set a goal of doubling U.S. exports in five years.
http://www.npr.org/2012/04/21/151117449/the-export-boom-whos-buying-american
caesar augustus Defend Obama's record hahahaha@ you.
little caesar Ok here are some of the things he has done.
Stopped the country from going into depression with the stimulus package.
The stock market is doing well my 401k is back and doing well.
His healthcare plan is going to give more people a chance to get insurance. The insurance gets more people buying there insurance. The insurance company is the big winners. Cause no matter what the insurance company's have us by the balls.
Most of all he has created jobs. You republicans hate that one the most and will lie about that one till you all die. I
So with that its PIZZA PIZZA!!!!
Who you going to believe the NY Times or the Prime Minister of Lybia who said it had nothing to do with the video. All the country heard for two weeks was video, video, video! From the paid ads by state apologizing to the UN speech to the eye candy view segment.
Romeny should have just said...YOU BLAMED A VIDEO!!!!
liar liar pants on fire smirk smirk smirk. LoLzZz
Another strong debate by Romney and another debate where Obama could not defend his first term. Add to that a "moderator" (Crowley) who decided to state that Romney was wrong DURING THE DEBATE only to apologize later on CNN that Crowley was in fact incorrect.
I have been watching debates for 36 years with the first debate I watched being Carter/Ford in 1976. And I have NEVER seen a moderator who interjected "facts" into a debate? Especially incorrect facts. Unbelievable...... Can we now agree that media bias is not only present but common?
Regardless Romney still won that debate and the reason is simple: All you have to do is tell the american people the Obama record which is clearly a failure.
1) After 4 years no more jobs than when Obama took office.
2) After 4 years the unemployment rate near 8% is the same.
3) GDP FALLING this year from last year and last year from the previous year
5) After 4 years almost 50% more people on Food Stamps
6) After 4 years we have significantly more people in Poverty
7) Obama has approved 62% LESS off-shore oil drilling permits, and 33% LESS on-shore oil drilling permits, than the same time period in the Bush administration. Which is partly to blame for gas prices doubling during the Obama administration
8) A "stimulus" that didn't stimulate with billions going to green energy companies that ultimately filed bankruptcy.
9) Shovel-ready jobs for the stimulus that were ultimately not "shovel-ready"
10) The Libya fiasco and an administration that found it more beneficial to go to Las Vegas the day after an ambassador was killed rather than caring enough to find out what happened.
And the list of failures from Obama can continue for quite some time. Romney called out Obama on this and gave the people a solution. The sad part is Obama can't and didn't defend his last four years. Did you notice how many times Obama said what he "will do" if reelected? Sorry, you had four years. Don't tell me what you "will do" - you should have already done it.
And to tell us you need four more years to "fix the economy". Haven't you done enough damage? How much MORE damage can you do in four more years? The answer? Significant. It is quite likely our country could not survive four more years of Obama failure. Sorry, when you fail you get replaced. Works that way in the private sector and works that way for the presidency. When you fail in your FIRST four years you get replaced.
Pat Boston MA.
TOD: LoL!!!
My take on Obama's "gracious" comment was that he was really saying was "please proceed to walk over the edge of that cliff you've climbed up in your attempt to politicize the Benghazi attack."
Will Obama batting 1000 A green energy manufacturer that got $129 million in government stimulus money filed for bankruptcy protection on Tuesday. NBC your not willing to tell the news I guess I will
Why? Is that what you wanted her to be in your fantasies?
How very tasteful.
But now we see why Romney is the candidate for you.
It would be interesting to see what YOU keep in YOUR secret binders full of women.
And, as it turns out, they may even have been right the first time, as it appears now that the attack WAS triggered by the video, even though there was no demonstration, and that it was actually a group of local, home-grown Al Qaeda wannabes, rather than Al Qaeda itself.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/world/africa/election-year-stakes-overshadow-nuances-of-benghazi-investigation.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
HEADLINE: Obama To Push For Research And Development Tax Credits
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/05/obama-tax-credits-research-development_n_706226.html
HEADLINE: Obama shoots for science increase
http://www.nature.com/news/obama-shoots-for-science-increase-1.10019
HEADLINE: Obama Does Right by Research and Development Tax Credit
http://www.forbes.com/sites/deanzerbe/2010/09/08/obama-does-right-by-research-and-development-tax-credit/
HaHa, liberals are so gullible... Obama did nothing but play to the lowest most base emotions of people just as a con-man does. Attacking his adversary while praising the crowd he is hoping to hustle. On issues of importance he still has no substance and everyone who isn't a party-owned sheep knows it.
"Mitt Romney was seen as better able to handle the economy, taxes, and the budget deficit among the debate audience, but it seems that issues were trumped, or at least blunted, by intangibles, including the expectations game," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.
By a 49%-35% margin, debate watchers thought that Obama spent more time attacking his opponent. The president was expected to be more forceful in attacking Romney following his lackluster performance in the first presidential debate in Denver two weeks ago.
Other questions showed little daylight between the two candidates among debate watchers on some key characteristics. Romney had a 49%-46% edge on which candidate seemed to be the stronger leader and 45%-43% margin on who answered questions more directly, while Obama had a 44%-40% advantage on which man seemed to care more about the audience members who asked questions."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/16/breaking-cnn-poll-obama-edges-romney-in-debate/?hpt=hp_bn3
no proof of that (shovel ready not so shovel ready)
a me firster lib (*shocked) <cough> inflation <cough>
another tax passed onto the middle class (member supreme court ruling) So Obama lied about taxing the middle class
Im sure he did in libtopia? The 5 million? care to tell that to 23 mil still out of work and even more under employed?
and that was the most incoherent, undecipherable garbage I ever read. way to go LOW INFO.
So enjoy your vote for Oblamo SMITTENS . Stick with Big Bird.
nah AM, it was more of curiousity to see if my little barbaric friend actually acted out the part in reality. as for Bondage, seriously Obama has the market on serfdom, and we have you Libs telling us where our money should go, what foods should be banned what businesses should succeed. Bondage indeed AM. You're the Dominatrix not I.
The one theme that permeated the comments made by Governor Romney was his held view that people are commodities for enterprise. This was exemplified by his '..binders full of women..' comment. I almost expected him to say, ' some of my best friends are women...'. Although, it's hard to imagine him having a collegial relationship with anyone who works, for him, female or not.
Ian Emdee Maybe you should go back to school and take math over !!!!!!!!!!!!
Morning all you crazy lefties! I've enjoyed all of your posts ... David Walker ... another great one! Spot on!
It was a lovely evening and I totally enjoyed My President standing up to that snarky Ken doll!
Obama/Biden 2012
Yep. You are pretty much right. At the same time, it is true. :)
Obama the talking point President. All I heard last night was the regurgitated stump speeches. His plan for the next 4 years? I'm going to create manufacturing jobs. Umm how? Of course, Candy would not possibly ask him how! Could the questions be any more slanted? All I had to see was Soledad smiling to know they got away with another one! Whose the next moderator, Chris Mattews? Bev - Congratulations, Chicago is outsourcing the water dept. service calls to Tokyo. Fresh from todays Chicago Trib. 30 jobs erased by Obama's former Chief Of Staff.
Binders full of women? Considering the world Robme lives in with its glass ceiling it would be a porn site. Here is what the republicons say about thier women VS Democrat women.
Republican Women vs. Democratic Women - Funny Pictures
Fiesty RedHead,
I don't know what you watched last night but if you think Obama did any better than the first time.
I saw it just like this of course Feisty will not agree but nothing can change her view of the do nothing wrong president. Obama again was unprepared I now most Dem want to say it was the other way since Obama was yet again beat but those are not the facts, Obama used talking points instead of facts once again plus when Obama was pressed hard on tough issues hard by Romney all I heard and saw was Obama whining to the moderator.
If you mean by WIN used talking points to mislead the American people so his do nothing ass can stay president four more year than NO he still did not win. Obama is way over classed by Romney.
Good Job in Benghazi MR. DumbA88; but we know you said it was terrorist that did this from the start, NOT. This just goes to shows that the president believes he is the smartest man in the room at all times. He does not realize is that he is actually the dumbest guy in the room at any given time.
VOTE this clown that has added $6 trillion in new debt in just 4 years 1/2 as long as Bush was in and ha over spent even Bush.
America you think things are bad now and cannot get much worse then put Obama back in for another four years when he has nothing to lose and see how fast we fall. Every America will be without. I noticed every time when Romney asks Obama about how in his first two years as president why nothing he said would get done got done. Obama tried to say because of Rep but the fact is he had BOTH SIES of Congress for his first two years and could have passed anything.
VOTE OUT OBAMA
Poor Derek. Actually, I think you'll be crying. Your penultimate sentence gives you away--you're a very angry, bitter person.
There's more proof of your anger below.
The Yankees remark was tongue-in-cheek, Derek. Everyone realized it but you.
For all your remarks about you being a "thinking" person, you have produced no evidence of it. You're actually quite one-dimensional.
Well. At least you've got that right.
Full metal and everything that goes with it.
Thank you Joe. Obama didn't say "act of terror" he said "actS of terror".
In other words, he was implying in general about terrorism, not specifically about Benghazi. Strange that in the same speech he didn't even mention the US embassy attack in Egypt.
How many acts were committed in Benghazi? I know of only one and that was the killing of Ambassador Stevens.
Oh and by the way, Obama never answered the gentleman's question about Libya. Crowley didn't even press Obama to answer the man's question.
TO: Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL who wrote:
LOL !
Obama/Biden 2012
HEADLINE: Obama vs. Romney 101: 5 differences on women's issues
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2012/0825/Obama-vs.-Romney-101-5-differences-on-women-s-issues/Health-care
1. Healthcare
2. Contraception
3. Abortion
4. Equal pay
5. Domestic abuse
Several times during the debate Romney's stance was similar to a already beaten Wille E Coyote. He looked stunned and staggered by Obama's offense but ready to pounce. When he pounced he missed and hit the tarmac. Romney tried to hammer the presidents record of the last four years while tap dancing around the land mines of the complete and utter lack of any cooperation from the GOP. It was very apparent. If you believe that Romney who's entire business career has been about cutting jobs, cutting workers benefits, dismantling corporations, shipping production overseas, getting government subsidies, playing fast and loose with the tax laws, and then walking off with a huge profit will be able to put this economy in the black I am sorry you're wrong. If you believe that Romney's health care plan should be called Obamacare and is bad for America you're wrong . The entire Affordable Health-care Act is nothing more than a almost identical twin of Governor Romney's Massachusetts health-care plan. Massachusetts did not go bankrupt and fall apart of it. In fact the plan works as has the parts of Obamacare that have been implemented are working. They have little effect on small businesses because truely small businesses don't provide jobs that provide health-care. 97% of them don't. Romney's tax reform is not reform it's a tax increase by removing deductions from individuals and corporations. Yes the American corporate tax rate is higher than other countries but very few companies pay anywhere near the high end of that rate. Hundreds of them pay no tax at all. Big companies like GE PAY NO TAXES AT ALL. You could cut their rate to 1% it would not matter because they pay 0%. Notice Romney did not say which individuals deductions he was going to cut. Removing deductions and loopholes are a tax increase because unless you already pay at the maximum rate you willl have more of a taxable income. Romney's claim that he would remove all capital gains taxes from individuals shows how fast and loose he is playing with the facts. Middle class people pay little in the way of capital gains. The profit on the sale of their home is already protected if the reinvest that profit by buying another home. After a certain age it is totally protected already. Middle class people have little or no savings that are exposed to capital gains. People keep little in a passbook type savings account. Their real savings arein tax deferred 401Ks that already have protection from capital gains taxes.If you believe that Romney has a plan to get tough with China you could not be more deluded. China has been a avid Romney's Bain Capital business partner. Look at what they are doing right now in Illinois. Shutting down a American auto parts plant and shipping those jobs to China. Don't buy that blind trust BS. Romney appoints the trust's trustee and can remove him anytime. That trustee happens to be R. Bradford Malt, Romney's personal attorney. 2010 the Romneys invested $10 million in the start-up of the Solamere Founders Fund, co-founded by their eldest son, Tagg, and Spencer Zwick, Romney’s onetime top campaign fund-raiser; Solamere is now in the Ann Romney blind trust. Malt has said he invested in Solamere without consulting Mitt or Ann and explained he liked Solamere because of its diversified approach and because he knew the founders and had confidence in them. If you believe that you are truly naive and gulliable. Romney put assests in his wife's name to avoid exposure to government oversight. He uses his personal lawyer as trustee so he can control his investments directly and use attorney client priviledge to hide that control. The investment in Solamere was simply a way to pass assets to Tagg without paying taxes.
Obama's performance and his plethora of lies and deflection is proof positive why he need to go home come January. So no, his performance last night was not an improvement.
What astounds me are those on this thread and elsewhere who would willingly re-elect a President who lies not only about his opponent, but about his Administration and the events that have happened under his watch. You are good with a leader who will throw anyone and anything under the bus to be re-elected? I can never justify this as acceptable for the leader of our country.
Romney/Ryan the ONLY choice to move America in a positive direction.
Great job, Mr. President!
Romney insisted that we look at his record. "If people want to know what I stand for, they can look at my record as governor.” ~ Mitt Romney
Okay, let's see...
Under Gov. Romney, Massachusetts fell to 47th out of 50 in job creation:
Before Romney’s time as governor, Massachusetts ranked 36th out of 50 in job creation, but over the course of his tenure the state dropped to 47th out of 50, even as the national economy was growing.
Gov. Romney created or raised over 1,000 taxes and fees:
Though he promised he wouldn’t raise taxes as governor, he increased taxes and fees by as much as $750 million per year, leaving the average taxpayer to pay an extra $1,227 in state and local fees and taxes. During his first year in office, Romney raised fees on milk, driver’s licenses, hospitals, nursing and barber licenses, and even on the blind.
Gov. Romney left behind a huge budget deficit:
Romney broke his pledge to balance the budget and left his successor, Gov. Deval Patrick, with a $1 billion budget deficit. Long-term debt increased by 16% over Romney’s four-year term, and he left Massachusetts with the highest debt per person in the nation.
Romney's approval rating when he left office as governor was at 34%.
People have said that we need a "businessman" to lead our nation. That is a short-sighted thought. In business there is either an owner making all the decisions or a CEO with a Board of Directors making the decisions. (Despite the lip service they pay it, Boards are not really too interested in what the stockholders want or say). The object of a company is to make money for the owner(s), CEOs, Board members and, to a lesser extent, the stockholders. The public, in general, is just something to be manipulated, used or ignored.
Within our nation there are millions of people and our elected officials have the duty to do what is best for the majority of those citizens. The duty of the president is to be responsive to the people of the nation.
It is NOT about the CEO [read: president] or the Board [read; Congress / Senate] or the stockholders [read: the 1%] making huge amounts of money at the expense of the 99% of the citizens.
Mitt Romney has made his disdain for the middle class clear when he thought he was out of earshot of them and was with his own kind.
President Obama has made his compassion for the middle class clear. He is not in the pocket of the 1% - he is standing up for the 99%.
Well this is what I expected this morning, Obama did a better jobs so you tools think it was some kind of ass kicking. I thought Sorry but that just in not the case no matter how matter how many times you say it.
Romney did an excellent job and won the debate so I'm not looking to blame anyone for anything. I thought the moderator sucked as usual, and reports are she interrupted Romney many more times then Obama and overall Obama like Biden was granted more time, but even with that I still think Romney won the debate, Obama did a much better job then last time but even the polls that show people thought he won overall (most show a close tie) showed Romney with a commanding lead when it came to talk about the economy which just happens to be Americans #1 issue. Overall I thought it was a great debate with wins and loses on both sides, as far a changing of any opinions or moving independents a certain direction I think again Romney did better on that front and Obama did more fire up the base type rhetoric.
Last night our President showed leadership and facts. He also showed what an entirely empty suit Romney is. I couldn't believe Romney kept saying I'm going to add jobs - I've done this before; I know how. Clearly he doesn't as he couldn't give any specifics as to how he plans to do so.
I found it interesting that, when talking about increasing jobs, one of Mitt's ideas was to go to other countries and find graduates with degrees in techincal fields then help them become citizens. Why not train our own citizens, Mitt? Did ya ever think of that????
Anyone notice how, after the meeting ended, Mitt was surrounded and comforted by his family. But, if you looked, President Obama was deluged by the crowd who wanted to talk with him; shake his hand; be close to him.
To Texas T - don't know what strange shows you're making up in your mind but the news programs show Independents are moving back to President Obama.
Am I surprised that the righties are blaming the moderator? Nope. You have no candidate and are not willing to take the blame for such a pathetic person so, blame the moderator.
Bill1488 - clearly every news group disagrees with you but of course you must be right - NOT!
Obama/Biden 2012
Romney offered a solution to our economic problems? Really? Tax cuts of 20%, not paid for by cuts in deductions, will magically produce a balanced budget and growth? Really?
This is the worst sort of lie. This is not a solution. It is a man trying to buy the election with promises that do not add up.
The tax cuts of 20% amount to much more in reduced government tax revenue than the addition to tax revenue from eliminating all deductions would. Then, Romney doubles down and says no middle class tax payer would pay any more taxes than they do now.
All those 47% who currently pay no federal income tax would see no reduction in tax under Romney's 20% tax cut plan (20% of 0= 0). Would any of these people see any of their deductions eliminated? If they did, many would pay a higher amount of tax.
Many middle class taxpayers pay Federal income tax without their deductions exceeding the standard deduction. A 20% tax cut for these people will only be made up for with cuts in government spending. Cuts in government spending at this time will increase the number of unemployed.
Romney said the top 5% would not pay a lower tax. Does that mean that the 20% across-the-board tax rate cuts will not apply to them? There certainly are not enough deductions in this group to pay for a 20% tax cut. Will this giveaway to the rich just add to the deficit? We can borrow the money back from them to finance their tax cut. How does that make any sense?
Romney's numbers do not add up. That is why he is so vague in his answers to "how are you going to pay for this Mitt?"
@Houston
I hope you keep this attitude now that Ms Crowley has stated that Romney can faulted on on semantics not on the facts.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/16/cnns_candy_crowley_romney_was_actually_right_on_libya.html
obama hasn't done anything positive to help this country in the past four years and you people think he will make a difference in the next four?? so sad!!
Time for change
vote nobama 2012
In a Romney first term:
MEN FLOCK TO SEX CHANGE CLINICS TO GET ROMNEY'S FLEXIBLE WORK HOURS!
What Mitt almost said, but didn't...
I never voted for anyone based on a clownhall debate !
Choice is simple . Vote Obama if you want to keep effective unemployment above 10 %, A ME war & staggering USA debt.
Vote Romney if you want less government , reduced USA debt & a srong ME policy that would avoid war !
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Mitt Romney: I love women in binders.
Reporter: Binders, Governor Romney?
Mitt Romney: Yeah, you know, binders. Like handcuffs, dog collars, chains, maybe some black leather corsets and pantaloons...binders.
Reporter: Do you mean bondage, Governor?
Mitt Romney: Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
@ Alan, NJ
No matter what pressure Crowley is under to recant for her heresy against violating the False Equivalency dogma, here's what CNN's own fact checker says about Romney's Libya blunder. The facts couldn't be clearer, although that's not going to stop the wing nuts from trying to muddy things up:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/17/politics/fact-check-terror/index.html?hpt=hp_t1&is_LR=1
"There’s just one problem: that line, as it was played, didn’t exist. The call had been doctored by NBC News staffers — who were subsequently fired — seemingly to make Zimmerman sound racist."
Left don't care how they win !
Obama again proved what he is - a community-organizer thug!
The man has nothing to run on. His record is abysmal, he did nothing he promised to do - except jam Obamacare down the throats of Americans when the majority of Americans did not want it - and cause the slaughter of four Americans in Lybia, when time and again security was asked for.
But the Socialist-in-Chief wants four more years to screw the middle-class. You know, even the playing field. Give everyone a shot at stealing you hard earned money. Work your as* off so you can give it to those that don't work their as*es off!
Obama is a pathetic excuse of a man, much less a President!
Romney will win and we will once again have a man in office who actually rises to the position and doesn't feel it's above is pay-grade. And he certainly won't spend 4 years whining, crying and complaining about what a bad hand he was dealt, unlike the affirmative action Socialist-in-Chief we currently have.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 & 2016! TAKE AMERICA BACK!!
hey Houston, Aurora was an act of terror as well but not Terrorism in the vernacular. Nice spin. Nah its youtube
Alan -- I don't know the answer to your question. I will say though that most people don't worry or care about what other people are doing in their own bedrooms.
Hey Dunderhead Joe In Albany and Like-Minded Dolts—
Really? Give it up. You are not gaining any political points by harping on this inane narrative. If anything, this stupid argument makes you all and Romney look like cheap, scurvy, political whores. Seriously, who gives a flying f**k whether the President’s Rose Garden address specifically labeled the Benghazi attacks a terrorist action or whether he was speaking generally about terrorist actions against Americans? Does it really matter? And, are you suggesting that a president Romney would have had the wherewithal to instantaneously know the precise cause of any disturbance or breach at every American consulate or embassy at all times?
All we know is: (1) that Americans have died on foreign soil as a direct result of what now appears a coordinated attack; (2) there was indeed some concurrent protest underway as a result of an offending video; (3) the offending video was funded and produced by an Egyptian; (4) details/leads are still being investigated. The full picture that generally emerges in the aftermath of these circumstances is usually much more complex than a one-paragraph, simpleton pledge. It may yet be proven that this was a coordinated event between a number of factions: (1) terrorists seeking cover for an imminent attack; and (2) sympathizing Arabs (in country or elsewhere) interested in maintaining destabilization by any means including the tried/true method of offending prophet Mohammed. I don’t suppose you’d appreciate or understand those or similar complexities given your aversion to anything resembling nuanced reasoning or higher order thinking.
You’d rather have legislative bills under 5 pages; a tax plan reduced to a pledge on a paper napkin; a dim-witted view of world order driven by American bravado (‘cause that worked oh so well in the past); and full-scale war against anybody who looks at us wrong. And, if anyone dares suggest an answer to any of those issues that’s different from what’s in “THE BINDER”, they must be some commie, un-American, lefty liberal! With lummoxes like you it’s no wonder we’re ranked near the bottom of the developed world’s educational barrel.
Nor do I sweetheart, I'm quite adept at thinking for myself to arrive at the truth. It's people like you who can't handle the truth.
HEADLINE: CNN Fact Check: A day after Libya attack, Obama described it as 'acts of terror'
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/17/politics/fact-check-terror/index.html?hpt=hp_bn3
It would not be surprising that Romney would lie (about this) to further his political ambitions. It IS surprising (even shocking) that Romney is so factually inaccurate. This is especially true when one considers these are recent events.
Obama inherited an economy on the verge of becoming another Great Depression. The entire financial system was in peril.
In 2008, despite a $120 billion stimulus and cuts in the discount rate from 5% to .5%, the economy continued to spiral downward shrinking 7.5% in 3rd quarter and 8.5% in 4th quarter (annual rates). Bush got a bank bailout of $700 billion to try to save the banks from all the bad debt resulting from the housing bust. Homeowners saw the equity in their homes evaporate. Stock owners watched as their stock equity was cut in half (by March 2009). The housing industry collapsed from 2 million homes built in 2007 to less than 500,000 in 2008. 800,000 workers were losing their jobs each month. The auto industry saw sales plummet as $4/gallon gasoline drove car buyers away from their top-selling gas guzzling SUV's.
The economy was an ugly sight. Circuit City went into bankruptcy, but no bank or private equity firm stepped forward to save them. Would any firm have stepped forward to save Chrysler or GM?
And on Obama's inauguration day 2009, Republican leaders met to plot their strategy, "Make OBAMA fail." Try to block the stimulus, try to stop the auto bailout, try to block anything Obama wanted to do to save the economy. This is how Republicans in Congress responded to our time of crisis.
We deserved better than this Republican game plan.
Obama came through for us and saved our economy from financial ruin. We are still recovering despite the "best" (worst) efforts of Republicans to slow the recovery down by blocking a needed infrastructure bill and a jobs bill Pres. Obama asked for last year.
Republicans need to learn this lesson "you will not be rewarded for putting Party before Country." Send them this message "You're fired"
OBAMA, Democrats 2012....for America's Future
Shocker. Obama supporter throws Crowley under bus as Crowley recants her heresy under extreme pressure from Wolf Blitzer, Anderson Cooper and Soledad O'Brien. As to the facts being clear it's yet another case of Obama supporters changing the context of Obama's statement to fit their facts, just like his ""You didn't build that" comment.
A nice pivot from the general to the specific by his ever correcting supporters. It's a pity he referenced the video prior to the terror reference in the same statement.
Looks like a CYA statement. Pity his Administration focused on the video as the reason for the attack in the following days, otherwise his ambiguity may have succeeded.
ROMNEY LOOKED LIKE AN OLD MAN . . AND PRESIDENT OBAMA LIKE MY KNIGHT IN SHINING ARMOR . .
. . . ALMOST AS HANDSOME AS THAT DASHING SENATOR HARRY REID!!!!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 . . KEEP THE DREAM (and ME) ALIVE . . YOU PAYING FOR ME!!!!
you dems on here are flying high today but am not sure why these debates are a joke both parties lie a little or in your case alot and you sheeple just keep thinking your man can do no wrong maybe people like fiesty need to be led around and told how to be and act but some of us can think for ourselves and do not need a socialist gov look what its done for greece and europe everyones on gov help and now theres no money so just keep your heads up the arse of a man who had to seal his records to hide his true aim in life
4 more for 44 now yes a 4 year old will still be paying off the dept at 44 we cannot afford 4 more years of nothing.
Romney 2012
Which puts me squarely in the mainstream. I simply point out how the media's concept of the mainstream is not the same as the peoples'. The media tends to be more liberal and more socially progressive than regular people. Another example of this would be the issue of gun control where the mainstream media is very pro-gun control where as it seems a majority of citizens do not support further controls (in this case I would be outside the mainstream).
Doesn't matter much because, at the risk of inserting yet another "4" to this meaningless drivel, even Ryan's budget doesn't balance till 2040 -- or thereabouts.
What do you think will keep happening in the meantime?
Deficits, much?
And tell me, why don't you, how more tax cuts will help with that.
Your grandchildren are doomed, either way, but perhaps a little less if you vote for sanity instead of shiny objects.
Did I hear right? I thought I heard Romney say he would eliminate income tax on capital gains. If true, this would be a much bigger gift to the ultra-rich than reducing the top tax rate. He tried to paint it as a break for the middle class, but the fact is that very few middle and working class taxpayers have significant income from interest and capital gains, and most of those who do have money invested in the stock market and bonds do it in their IRA's and 401b plans, which are already exempt from income tax until the funds are withdrawn after retirement. There is no conceivable justification why income derived from interest and capital gains by those who have sufficient wealth to invest should pay a lesser tax rate on it than less wealthy individuals who derive their income in the form a paycheck from a job.
Thought for the day:
Odd how Romney, a corporate executive and former governor, seems so in tune to what the terrorists are doing in Libya?...it would certainly serve the terrorist element's purposes if Romney were elected. Terrorists need another false bravado President like George W. to keep their operations going. Without the "Great Satan" interfering in their countries, even Muslim people will grow weary of the violence and death.
Romney's inferred "pipeline" to terrorist attacks in Libya reminds me of President Reagan's efforts to keep the hostages in Iran until after the election......
I honostly think at this point we already know who we all are voting for 8)
It's simple really 2 choices and they are very different from each other..
I pray that Obama does not win and if he does I can kiss my full time job goodbye.
LOL, Bill. What truth is it that I am missing Bill? Do tell.
You know Bill, I have a lot of friends who are Republicans, we get along great. They enjoy a few drinks, they don't listen to Limbaugh EVER, and they actually watch MSM. They are mainstream. You should step into it sometime. You might actually enjoy yourself and lighten up a bit.
Rgray1965
And we sure can't afford to go back to the reign of terror of the GOP/Teas.
We all know what that would mean.
Mitt has surrounded himself with the Crime gang of the Bush era.
RepulbicansFor Obama-6186389
"is this a great post or what" NO is the answer to that one. And FYI I'm a alien princess here to see if you humans are worth saving. See, just because I claim to be something to mislead people does NOT make it true. You moniker and post are reminiescent of Obama's lying, smug arrogance in his demeanor, and all teeth and not substance appearance. He even had the set up with CNN so called moderator holding his hand and giving him hints of the answers he needed to give and still all he had were speeches which she convenitently have him the last word to do, and Bull and lies. Forget it. As usual the incombent has to answer for his record. His record alone is why we must vote him out. We do not need a liar in Chief who protects the bad guys but does not protect our citizens and ambassedors over seas.
Da Noid
As usual we enjoy your juvenile posts, showing how much of a failure our education system has become. All the ranting and whining and nastiness from liberals is amusing in that it shows how scared of reality catching up to them and their leader.
yet Obamas will never balance. Go figure.
Mitt Romney #1 lost last night. Who I was.
Mitt Romney #2 lost last night. Who I wasn't.
Mitt Romney #3 lost last night. Who I was during the debate.
To say that Romney "stumbled" is idiotic. On the Libya issue, Romney was just shocked as the President just lied to 70 million people again! He was in shock and wanted to get clarification from the President. The President made a teleprompter speech honoring our military and mentioned terrorism. He DID NOT say anything about Benghazi in that speech. He did not say anything about Benghazi being a terrorist attack until 14 days after it happened and everyone in his administration was saying for days that it was a response to the YouTube video! Those are the facts folks and ALL of the media is confirming just that today. And, it is Obama that made it political by misleading the American people for days his political career from a terrorist attack on his watch that killed four Americans that should have had more security on 9/11.
Please do not vote for a man that will lie like that repeatedly to get elected.
Romney was right on the issue. Obama lied and Candy Crowley was also wrong. She admitted it later.
Well this isn't fair, because Republicans were complaining about the moderator days and weks before the debate. No conservative thought she was a good choice or that she would be balanced. Republicans aren't complaing that she cost Romney the debate like democrats did, they are complaining that she did a $h!t job. She Cut Romney off more times, gave Obama more time, and then actualy tried to correct Romney and took sides with Obama on Libya which has never been done in history, and then she later tries to apologize and say that actually Romney was kind of correct? WHAT!
She was what we thought she would be, a liberal journalist that made part of the night a two against one instead of a one on one, but despite this Romney did fine and WON the Debate!
We desperately need Romney to be our President. Last night's debate proves it.
The moderator was obviously biased and gave Obama more time, let him run over her and continue speaking while she strongly cut Romney off. Then when she chose sides on the Libyan issue and said that Obama did mention terrorism regarding the Libyan issue, she was out of line. She later corrected herself but it way too late. She said that in front of 50 to 70 million people! Her correction will never get to that many people. She should never moderate a debate ever again.
Well done, Mr. President. And yes Sir, you are our Commander In Chief.
You're right about that, toadvine.
The debates thus far have revealed that Willard Mitt Romney is far worse than the ogre we initially thought him to be.
The first two debates have revealed that Romney is a liar, a panderer, a flip- flopper and a bully. They have shown us that he has no manners, no integrity and worst of all, no plan. Unless you call tricking Americans with more trickle-down nonsense a plan.
The third debate plays to Romney's major weakness: his lack of foreign policy, foreign relations and national security experience, knowledge and ability. Stay tuned for Romney to have his patrician nose bloodied again next week.
Can't wait! :)
Caesar Disgustus:
Whatever spin you wingnuts are trying to put on it, the fact is that Obama stated that he called the attack "an act of terror" the day after the attack. Romney claimed that what Obama said wasn't true. Obama was telling the truth. Romney was not. Those are the facts.
I see some wingnuts are falling back on the "poor choice of words" excuse Romney for his Libya debate fiasco that Romney tried to use to get out of his "47%" predicament. But in both cases, it was not the choice of words that caused Romney problems, it was what he clearly meant to say that was the problem.
NEWS FASH...BULLETIN ROMNEY QUITS CAMPAIGN TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE USA FOR A NEW JOB IN CHINA!!!
China contacted Mitt Romney after the debate last night and annouced that he would become the next chairman of their communist party because of all the jobs he brought them through Bain company.
Romney the job provider China was looking for!!!
On the Libya situation, I found this: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/world/africa/election-year-stakes-overshadow-nuances-of-benghazi-investigation.html?pagewanted=all
Conservatives do not seem to realize that situations like this do not always present themselves logically. It often DOES take days to analyze and discover all of the issues in play.
Demands for immediate satisfaction, statements from opposing candidates in an election unrelated to the situation, claims of responsibility by all manner of forces can all disrupt and even destroy efforts to find the facts.
Romney was not privy to all of the working of American security and administrative negotiation. He had no business speaking without the facts. He may have even made the situation worse.
As it turns out, the situation may indeed have been a combination of all the forces that have been attributed to it. The video as the instigation, the attack as the outcome, the deaths as a result. These events are not solved overnight any more that a murder is solved in the first day.
More Jobs is what Americans want people are hurting the President is the same old none working plan none.
Romney 2012
The headlines should read: "CNN bows to Republican Spinmasters: alters post debate poll from actual voter party percentages to 1/3 dem, rep, and ind." Hope Jon Stewart picks this up and runs with it.
Alan NJ:
Nice pivot from the fact that specifically, Romney made a fool out of himself. Again. In front of millions of people on live TV. Obama was telling the truth and Romney was not.
The NY Times reported yesterday that the video DID play a role in the attack. Ambassador Stevens' father and the mother of one the the security guards who died have pleaded not to turn the attacks into a political issue. Stevens' father said it was "abhorrent" and that the security professionals should be left alone to do their investigation. The security guard's mother said "I don't trust Romney" because of Romney's cynical attempts to exploit the issue.
But those please obviously have fallen on deaf ears. And dumb minds. The more Romney tries to exploit this, the more damage he does to himself.
It's no wonder the Republicans are attacking the moderator in the debate. Moderate and moderator are not words in their no-compromise philosophy. They are so far from moderate that they don't recognize it a at all.
We don't need to go that far. We just need to look in our own history and see what happened when the tax rates were as high as Obama is now proposing.
How did the Clinton years work out for the country?
If OBAMA wins, LA RAZA wins.
This is PRECISELY what Mitt Romney said about Obama's true statement on Libya, as if catching Obama in a lie:
“I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.”
Question: Was Romney lying or was he just shockingly ignorant of an issue he's been attempting to exploit for weeks?
Your problem is that pretty much everyone who can think independently is a lefty liberal. That is why the RNC was forced to elect four lefty liberals as moderators for the 4 debates. There's no one else.
Ignorant. That is why he lost the debate and why Paul Ryan ended up looking like an idiot. Inside the Republican echo chamber they sound like geniuses because they never have to face facts. Put them in the real world and they fall apart.
no spin needed Drone. Obama was and his admin was blaming a YOUTUBE VID. they didnt wait for FACTS. so call people winguts you're backing a lousy leader from behind.
Definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
explains Houston and his/her band of followers to a T. Next you can call me stupid to complete picture. You know you want to.
I thought Candy was Danny Devito in drag! ......who knew????
Backhouse your so full of crap!
Here are two places where Obama outright lied (other than Libya). One, he stated that Planned Parenthood provides mammograms. That is completely untrue. They do not. And everyone knows this from past debates about Planned Parenthood. Two, The absurd notion that drilling permits have increased under Obama. The truth is permits for offshore oil were cut by 62% and by 30% on land. I say “lied” instead of “misled,” because Obama knew he was lying about these things. He knew it, and lied anyway. Everything Obama said regarding oil and energy was completely untrue. Especially when it comes to what he said about oil leases.
Obama loves to tout that he ended the war in Iraq like he said he would, which isn’t really true. Candidate Obama said that he would bring the troops home by the summer of 2010. In fact, the troops came home on Pres. Bush’s timeline, negotiated long before Obama. The Status of Forces Agreement was ratified in 2008 and it stated “All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.” So, Obama didn’t have anything at all to do with the ending of the Iraq war.
Transparency:Obama campaigned in 2008 on complete transparency of government. Fact is that he has done more behind closed doors than any president in history.Fact is that Obama’s administration censored nearly 200 pages of internal e-mail dealing with government transparency.Fact is that Obama’s administration has prosecuted more whistleblowers than in the previous 40 years.Fact is that Obama received an award for transparency in a meeting that was closed to all media and not placed on his public calendar.
Obama has spent millions to seal his college records is that they prove that he was an Indonesian citizen when he attended college here in the United States. If true, that would be sufficient grounds to end his presidency and aspirations of becoming dictator of America.
British taxpayers spent 57.8 million dollars on the royal family in 2011. U.S. taxpayers spent 1.4 billion dollars on the Obamas in 2011.
True someone created over 4 million jobs. I doubt Obama can take credit for much more then creating jobs at the welfare office to help all the people Obama has put on welfare.
It takes 150,000+ jobs per month just to cover the "new" people entering the job market.
That comes to 6.5 million jobs since Obama took the wheel.
He's a couple million shy of a six pack.
Why don't you talk about who Obama sends money to in the middle east??
Here's a few fun facts. Something liberals hate.
Obama helped overthrow the governments of Egypt and Libya.
Egypt and Libya are now controlled by the muslim brotherhood and al-qaeda.
Obama has since sent them 2.5 billion dollars of your money.
Beginning in October Obama will send another 2 billion of your money to the muslim brotherhood and al-qaeda.
The "rebels" in Syria is al-qaeda.
Obama has sent them $150 million dollars of your money.
Al-qaeda is the muslim brotherhoods army.
Why is Obama sending your money to terrorists?
Everything else is just smoke and mirrors, keeping your eyes off what is really going on.
Afghanistan KIA
Americans killed in action under George Bush 2001 - 2008 970
Americans killed in action under Barack Obama 2009 to present 1,450
Injured under Bush 2k, under obama... 17k.
Money spent in Afghanistan
George Bush $171 billion Barack Obama $385 billion
no one won that debate .. they were both just bickering children and dead even at best .. you people are so desperate to redeem obamas poor performance in the last debate you will make up stuff to try to win your argument
the only fact here is that obama is a failure as president and no one can change that .. time for someone new
What a great Debate!
Explosive, confrontational, combatitve. A true illustration of conflicting ideology. Romney stuck with his strategy from the 1st debate that dominated, while Obama formulated an aggresive plan (proven by Biden) and won this debate. If there was any doubt the momentum from the 1st debate was stopped after Biden, it is guaranteed now.
Romney was on defence a majority of the time, a weakness to his formula. Romney said 'I have a track record running companies and as Govenor. I Will balance it out' (YET will not say how) I agree with several conservative ideology, but I can't see how anyone on the GOP who is not a top 1% income earner is OK with this.
Also want to conclude this post with Obama's Zinger at the conclusion. I agreed with MSNBC pundints, perfectly timed and delivered. I anxiously await the presidents final knockout blow to Romney!
Caesar Disgustus:
The UN ambassador was ALWAYS careful to note that the administration's conclusion about the role of the video was TENTATIVE, and not definite. Some of the sloppy journalists with CNN and other "mainstream" corporate media tend to leave out that fact. But as it turns out, the NY Times reported yesterday that the video may in fact have motivated the attack after all.
The situation is murky and complicated, and it should be left to security professionals to make the final determination. But wingnuts like Disgustus won't stop trying to exploit it despite the pleas made by the parents of two of the victims.
Oh, and yes. You're an idiot, Disgustus.
You and your fellow nut jobs just either refuse to read or simply LIE (or both)
10:43 A.M. EDT
THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American
diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of
our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave
great danger.
Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.
The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and
shocking attack. We're working with the government of Libya to secure our
diplomats. I've also directed my administration to increase our security at
diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.
Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all
faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others.
But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence.
None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal
acts.
Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not
break the bonds between the United States and Libya. Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans. Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens’s body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died.
It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a
city that he helped to save. At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led
our diplomatic post in Benghazi. With characteristic skill, courage, and
resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya. When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there. He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps.
Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to
emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four
Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on. I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home.
Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked
the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate
sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.
As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained
because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it,
and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong
as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and
military who represent us around the globe.
No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.
Before you crow about waiting for facts, you might want to read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/world/africa/election-year-stakes-overshadow-nuances-of-benghazi-investigation.html?pagewanted=all
Leave it alone. Stop politicizing it as people from all sides but yours have asked. Let the investigators do their job.
Whenever a poster compares another country's economy to the economy here in the United States you know they don't have a clue about economic matters.
Didn't Romney bring up Greece last night? LOL
After reading the transcripts and stories on the debate last night I found that it pretty much went as I expected it to go. A liberal moderator, and a president that could not afford another lack luster appearance like the first debate.
I am not overly thrilled with either candidate. Those who follow these boards know that my posts generally lean towards conservative values, but I vote for the person that I feel is best able to handle the tasks ahead. In the up coming election my choice has become clear. I will vote for Romney/Ryan, but hear me out. The last 4 years actually more like the last 7 years have been very tough on America, not only economically, but socially at home and abroad as well. Several factors have gone into my decision and I have thought it out very carefully. The last 4 years have not met the expectations that were set by the President when he was elected. He has not kept most of his promises, he has not really contributed to any type of a recovery, and he continues to divide the country by race and economic standing at a time when all America should be pulling together to heal our tattered Republic! We cannot continue to spend our way out of debt, that will never be realistic. We cannot afford to create an endless breadline of social programs nor throw money at every problem that arises. We need to tighten our belts, roll up our sleeves and get to work restoring our nation. This I believe will never happen under our current President.
The tax code has long been a major problem in America. Many have spoken of the need for meaningful reforms to it in order to make it understandable for the average American so they do not need a lawyer or an accountant to fill out their taxes and gain their rightful and due credits and deductions. Romney wants to overhaul the tax code, to make changes for everyone that will make it easier to prepare and file their taxes. Yes the rates for the top 1% will fall, but so will the rates for the other 99%. Deductions and loop holes that will be closed will probably effect the upper 50% the most because they are in the best position to exploit them. His detractors say that he is vague about which deductions and loop holes will be effected, but then again this is a plan, not an actual bill to be set before congress. Romney is a successful businessman who has experience as the governor of a state, far more experience than the current President had when seeking office. The President has had to face harsh realities since taking office. He has had to realize that his power as President has boundaries that despite his best efforts, cannot be crossed. Gitmo is only one example of this as is Afghanistan. He had to come to the realization that bringing terrorists into this country for trial was far more dangerous than the benefits of public trials in civilian courts. He has also come to the conclusion that cutting and running from Afghanistan would only create another power void for not only the Taliban, but every other terrorist organization and sponsor state to exploit! He has learned that the term Ally does not necessarily mean friend especially when it comes to Pakistan. He still has a long way to go before he understands the balances of power in the world and how to navigate them. He has surrounded himself with like minded academics to be his advisers only to find out that to balance the theory, you also need real life experience in the way things, like the economy actually work. Most importantly he has yet to learn that you cannot rely on a small percentage of the population or business alone to provide the resources to heal our financial woes. When Obama came into office he did make attempts at bi-partisanship, however these were soon slapped down by the ultra liberal left that was in control of the House and Senate after his inauguration. Since he has taken the party line and in effect alienated half the country in the process. America has always embraced it's Presidents, of both parties, until such time as they betray our trust. I find this missing in the presidency of Barrack Obama. I find the country has not rallied behind him to support his ideas nor his policies concerning the rest of the world. The world leaders themselves, after having so much positive anticipation of his election, have begun to ignore him and discount him as irrelevant. Though I do not care for Romney and his rhetoric much, it is time for a change. Hopefully Romney will do a better job of reconciling the nation and work with congress not despite it to lead us into a better place. The last 4 years have been an experiment that I hope we all learned from and can take the lessons learned forward to a better tomorrow.
Man... Fiesty, Beverly and California Tom are going to have be put on suicide watch after the election. No-way Romney Looses now. The President has FINALLY been called out on his record and it just can't be defended no matter how bad they TRY to make Romney look.
You three are going to need a lot of Kleenex on Nov. 7th.
THIS DEBATE WAS A JOKE AND OBAMA IS A JOKE! Cindy Crowley broke every rule as moderator. She constantly helped Obama out, by redirecting audience question to another form to allow Obama more time to answer question. Cindy Crowley interrupted Romney repeatedly during his two minute response and changed the question. Obama was given up to four minutes more to respond than Romney..
When Romney nailed Obama with direct questions regarding failed policies and administrative practices, Obama went off on other tangents and issues rather than directly answering the questions. Obama was playing to the audience and lecturing rather than answering.. Why Obama wants another term as President is beyond me.. Anyone who love the sound of their voice that much should be a College Lecturer.
Romney directly asked Obama to explained 2008 campaign promises and immigration promises unkept, with total control of Congress during the first 2 1/2 years of his presidency.. How did the President respond.. Change the subject and move on to healthcare.. No explanation about the 7+ Trillion added to the national debt. No explanation about promised immigration bills that never happened. No explanation about another projected 4 Trillion added to the national debt over the next four years.. No explanation as to why it took the President two weeks to decide our embassy attack in Libya was a terrorist attack, when the Ambassador was pleading for Marine assistance and his pleas went ignored by the President.
No, like it or not, Obama was given extra help from the commentator during this debate and he still didn't answer the hard questions about his failed first term policies.
What another four years of Obama will get you:
Additional 4+ Trillion in National Debt on top of the current 16 Trillion.
Another Stimulus Loan to China
Obama handpicking 15 healthcare members who will decide if your illness is cost effective to pay for.
Continued high unemployment
Continued mockery of our Constitution and suing states who fight back.
A President who openly states his embarrassment for a country he is suppose to be representing.
Like it or not, Obama cannot get our national debt under control. Why? Because in four years he has not submitted a budget or plan to do so. With Obama we will have four more years similar to the last four.. Words are cheap, actions speak louder than words. You want to know what to expect from Obama in the future... Look at what he has done in the past....
Why is Romney a better choice?
Romney can balance the budget. Why? Because he has balance budgets in the corporate world and as Governor.. He has a proven track record to get the job done.
Romney does fight for women's rights. Why? Because, in the corporate world and as Governor, Romney advocated women into all levels of responsibility..
Romney can get unemployment under control. Why? As a businessman and Governor, Romney stressed education an hiring practices that created job growth.
Romney has a history of working across the isle with both parties to create and stablilize job markets, economic solvency.. As Governor, Romney not only balanced the states budget, by working with both parties; his state was ranked #1 in education. This lowered unemployment and crime in the state. Better educated people have better jobs, feel better about themselves and don't need to steal to get ahead.. It's not rocket science, Folks!..
Bottom line, Obama is a great Orator... However, that's all he is "smoke and mirror" speeches.. His actions don't back up his words.... Romney has the "hands on" experience in the private sector and in government to make the changes necessary to turn this country around; and, pull it back from the economic abyss, that Greece is now experiencing..
Bottom line... Obama talks the talk... and Romney has walked the walk...
My vote is for Romney.. Plain and simple!....
Felden
What you are witnessing is a coverup. Ever seen one? I have (Nixon 1972 - 1974).
Place your political ad here.
Disguised as a thoughtfulr response on First Read.
Meanwhile how about if we bring things back to the reality.
The far left is saying Obama won both and the right is going to say that romney won.
IF Obama won the first debate, why has gallup moved from a Obama 3 point lead to a Romney 6 point lead (just posted on RCP)?
If Obama won the second debate, why are the undecided saying Romney won?
This debate was held to help the undecided, not the partisans.
Here is what is coming through from the R.I.N.O.s who hate O'bama. I don't like Obumer, lie lie innuendo grumble grumble, he is a bad president, he needs to go. That has zero impact on independents some of whom are progressive Republicans and center left Republicans. Any Republican who supports what Lincoln stood for needs to support the DNC now. The Democrats of today embrace what Lincoln died for.
I consider myself an independent voter, but going back to the Reagan days and with the only exception having been Perot, I’ve always voted Republican. But 2-months ago, I wouldn't have even considered voting for Romney. But after the last two debates and especially after he finally talked about using tariffs to level the playing field and bring jobs back home, I'm considering him more seriously. It was good to see them both finally talk seriously about bringing manufacturing back home to the USA and about protecting American jobs.
Although, I didn't like the comment that we should automatically staple a green card to every foreigner’s new college diploma. That sounds too much like, "let's bring in cheaper educated foreigners to do take the place of higher paid US Citizens" (i.e.: the H1B immigrant issue)
President Obama did every well in this debate and appears to really care about doing right by America and our people. So, I'm still undecided.
If Both Parties don’t actually start doing something about the real problems in our country like “out-sourcing”, illegal immigration and the out of control costs of health care insurance, by the next election – American citizens may just have to run a nation-wide campaign to vote out every single incumbent elected official, so that maybe they’ll finally get the message.
Seems in previous elections that both parties were always able to distract and polarize voters with insignificant peripheral issues, which ended up getting most of the voters so caught up in the BS that they lost sight of the bigger picture.
Now that that abortion and gay marriage are not legitimate distractions, they're going with gas prices and Social Security.
Wouldn't it be More Productive if Our Elected Leaders Started Working Together as AMERICANS for AMERICANS and AMERICA, instead of just bickering, stalling and posturing for the next election as democrats and republicans! The American People have had it with this unproductive BS! The sad thing is that both parties stink! Neither party is really looking out for the best interest of the US citizens who elect them and who they're supposed to represent.
ps: We also really need to start actually increasing the safe harvesting, production and distribution of our own natural energy here in the USA, rather than paying for fuel from countries where they hate us. - Let’s keep that money and those jobs here in the US.
Immediately after the debate, Bill Clinton called Mitt Romney wanting to know where he could find one of those "binders full of women."
http://bindersfullofwomen.tumblr.com/
Wade the democratic party is nothing like Lincoln.
I am an independent and I watched the debate hoping to get a better picture of what the candidate's stand for - and came away with nothing...I am not impressed with the rhetoric from either side but I do have to say that since Obama took office and based on what he promised to accomplish I have to say he has failed.
Now the talk is for another 4 years and I am afraid of the same result...I was skeptical in 2008 due to his lack of experience and conviction (voting "present"? Please - at least have the nerve to stand up for what you believe) but Sarah didn't give me much to go on either. The lack of a budget (how hard can that be?) also shows (to me) an unwillingness to get something done. I understand the bipartisan congress for two of those four years but what about the first two?
And if people think that there is not going to be a hard rain falling soon when the debt becomes unmanagable they are mistaken - this will be our generations WWII and there will have to be great sacrafices made - I will most likely vote for Romney as I just can't believe Obama will do anything about the spending and taxes as promised
Binders were used to keep everyone's resumes a few years back. Today they are in a fold on your laptop or ipad.
Without a teleprompter Mitt is totally lost.
A question about AK47's turned into; people should think about being married before they have kids.
Mitt is cluelss on his feet.
happy42xxx
There are more than two choices on every ballot.
Gary Johnson to name one, and if you fear free markets, then Jill Stein is another. As someone who has become thoroughly disgusted with corruption, crony capitalism, and war mongering, both are considerably better options than Obama or Romney.
Before anyone says it, a vote cannot be wasted, especially if you are voting your conscience.
Big Al said it best (#1.174) that those who are on this thread already know who they are voting for. Left criticizes Romney and the right criticizes Obama. No surprise here and your Obama supporting comments do not sway me and my Romney supporting comments do not sway you.
I doubt there is ANYBODY in this thread that truly is "undecided". So we must wait until November 6th to find out. And the question is whether Obama can win a reelection by promising a continued stagnant economy, high unemployment, 1 in 7 on Food Stamps, 1 in 6 in Poverty, low labor participation rate, and high percentage of unemployed 6 months or more - or not.
You see the question is are you better off than 4 years ago and who do you think will do a better job for the next four years. Obama ran on "Hope and Change" and "Yes we Can". Great slogans but here we are 4 years later and we are not better off than 4 years ago and the slogans are now "I Hope I can find some loose Change" and "No we Couldn't". So time to elect somebody who can at least make a better effort.
In this country we are all for giving someone a chance. If they succeed then great - if not we replace them. Obama needs to be replaced and Romney given a chance. We can't do any worse than Obama.
The fact that you believe a word he says is simply amazing. I voted for Reagan. It's been mixed since then. Up until two weeks ago I wouldn't even consider voting for Romney. But after watching him move from extreme right to dead center with pure lies and theatrics, I'll will not stop at just not voting for him... I will actively campaign against him.
He is driven by power and greed. I've met CEO's and corpotrate officers just like him. They were all @!$%#s to the core and, like Romney would say whatever they needed to get their way, and, when that didn't work, would use bullying and power and threats... the end justifies the means. Romney IS one of THOSE CEO's.
His tax policy is a farce and based on everything he's been about for the last year versus the last two weeks, he cannot be trusted to not create policy in favor of the rich. Will he acquiesce to the extremes of the House? Yep. Will he be under the thumb of the likes of the Koch brothers? Of course.
Slow steady reasoned growth is better that high risk little reward any day.
From Factcheck.org!
The second Obama-Romney debate was heated, confrontational and full of claims that sometimes didn’t match the facts.
Obama/Biden 2012
Pop quiz: Which candidate last night said the following, and what question was he answering when he said it? (Hint: if either of your answers makes any sense, it's wrong.)
"Every woman in America should have access to contraceptives."
Breaking Story - President Obama comes out today and offers 30% across the board tax cut. Says he will pay for it in pixie dust.
Well, Romney and Obama both have bigger pensions than I do.
So according to Obama's reasoning, that makes them BOTH douches.
@ TexasT-2966501,
What punches did your candidate land?
Liar Liar pants on FIRE SEPTEMBER 25!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxI3qd-Ztqw
Romney up now 6% nationally according to the latest Gallup tracking poll.
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I always get a chuckle every time the Rep's say Obama's economic policies are a failure. All of the Republican congressmen made a concerted effort to sabotage Obama's presidency and send our economy further into crapper than where they left it, just so they could get the office back. Absolutely contemptable! I guess the 1%ers weren't done with their cash grab. Not to worry. If Romney wins, the spigot will be opened up for them 1%ers again.
That is not the problem. The problem is that Mr Romney WILL keep his promise. He has promised to turn the economy around.
At this point, we have growing GDP, unemployment is going down, employment is going up, the market is going up, the profits of American companies are increasing. The deficit is going down.
We do not want this economy turned around. We want it to keep going in the direction it is going. That is why Mr Romney should not be President. When things are going in the right direction, you do not listen to the guy who says, "Let's go back!"
What is the big deal with Benghazi? Sure, Americans got killed (and that's ALWAYS terrible), but we've had attacks all around the world that have killed Americans in Marine Barracks, ships, restaurants, night-clubs, etc., etc.
First, we had the demonstrations in Cairo on 9/11/12, with demonstrators scaling the wall over a video, or whatever, it doesn't make much difference. With Americans, including diplomats over the world, thousands of miles away we're going to always blame the President when something bad happens? Americans are dead at the hands of others and it doesn't make a huge difference how, or why they died. We just all want to avoid it the best we can, based on a whole list of variables like how likely it's going to happen, the cost of protecting Americans, etc., etc.
As for the delay in admitting the reason for the deaths, again, does it really matter? The truth will come out in the end, the Administration has never said there wouldn't be attacks again, or, that we wouldn't find out about them. Most Americans are a thousand miles away from the issue, trying to work and raise families. If you really think the average American is going to want to impeach President Obama because he didn't link the specific attack in Libya to terrorists, I think you're wrong.
This reaction by Republicans also helps reinforce the narrative that Republicans just will do anything to make Obama look bad. With Romney, Chairman Issa, and Lindsey Graham always crying about investigations (from day one) with this Administration, they look like weak and desperate individuals.
The "buzz" is fading awayyyyyyyyy.............
Anna, you are so correct. Romney stepping into that one so badly it hurt to watch. When Romney ad-libs, we really get to see what he's thinking....and it ain't cute.
The real truth about how planned parenthood got there start,and look it up
Margaret Sanger is the founder of Planned Parenthood, an organization that, on the surface, promotes and provides for “women’s health.” At best, Planned Parenthood’s oft-stated purpose is a myth that is spread and supported by the left-leaning mainstream media and liberal politicians.
The truth is horrifying and likely inconceivable to most American citizens, especially those who spend a lot of their time watching reality TV, crime dramas or MSNBC. The average citizens of this country don’t have a clue about the roots of Planned Parenthood, and the racist Nazi- and KKK-supporting Sanger.
Yes, you read that right.
Margaret Sanger was a devotee of eugenics, the practice of selective breeding of human beings with “desirable” or “superior” genetic traits, and the sterilization of human beings with “defective” traits. Does that sound familiar? How about 1930s Germany and the rise of Adolph Hitler and the Nazi party? The “superiority” of the Aryan race fueled Hitler’s insane eugenics dreams, just as the “inferiority” of minorities and the mentally handicapped fueled Sanger’s abortion and sterilization dreams here in the United States of America
From President Obama's statement the day after the attack from oist #1.205
Obama didn't forget to praise Ambassador Stevens' successful efforts to win over the people of Libya for the United States. But notice that Romney and his fans have said NOT ONE WORD in praise of Stevens since the attack. His death means nothing to Romney.
And I am all for the rights for alll Woman to have a pro choice but is sick how they and why they got there start and Why a Black President would stand behind them.
Now why do you think Candy Crowley had with her what Obama said in the rose garden with her, if Obama and Crowley did not go over the questions before the debate if you look back on the debate Obama got up when it was not his turn to listen to the next voter to ask their question. So he knew the answer before it was asked he goo but not that good. Obama has taken the office he hold to a new low, that's not whining that facts.
So Houston Romney wanting to know about the truth about the cover of Stevens death was a bad thing?
And Obama saying that it was just a random protest was a good thing?
ArchAngel,
I read through your post, and while I agree with several of your points I cannot see how you trust Mitt Romney to accomplish issues of importance which you and I share.
First, the last 7years have been rough for America. But instead of just saying that causation=correlation, lets look at the facts. In regards to the deficit, it has exploded as a result of 2 unpaid wars as well as the worst recessionary period since the Great Depression. Tax reform, historically the lowest federal income tax rates. Obama has laid a concrete tax policy in his budget, same tax rates for all brackets except for top 2 which will only be raised to pre-GWB levels, and to raise Long term Capital Gains 5% from 15% (money generated from the highest income earners generally). This plan is finite. I trust it as it is plain as day. Romney's plan says 20% reduction in taxes and will make it up with SOME kind of reduction of deductions. Nonpartisan tax professionals say this is IMPOSSIBLE to be balanced without increases net tax on middle income earners.
Your second point,
Food stamps. I completely agree that entitlements have grown out of control. Many of these people are out of work, uneducated, and have made poor financial decisions. Yet considering how hard our economy has fallen, it seems as though this result was inevitable. We need to phase out of benefits by creating policies that promotes job creation in new industries. Specifically energy (a point I agree with Romney on fossil fuels until new energy markets become more proven)
Your third point, Romney is a successful businessman and Governor
Seriously? I want to begin with saying that Romney is extremely intelligent. He created the industry know today as Private Equity (Leveraged Buyouts). It was a great business for a select few companies that could adhere to their guidance. The others were loaded with debt while all assets were taken by those who financed the takeover. Essentially raiding the company. I am not suprised you do not follow private equity, as most business professionals do not. And a successful Govenor? Ranked 47th for Job creation during his leadership, raising taxes and fees on middleclass and poor americans, low job approval from his constituents. For believing this I can make no excuses for you, this is pretty cut and dry, Massacuchets hates their former Govenor.
I want to end this the way I began by saying I do not think you are trying to mislead people, only you have been deceived by the propaganda of the Romney Machine. You said you thought long and hard about your candidate choice. Perhaps you did not mention you are a high income earner, or that you believe the US should go to war with Lybia over a terrorist attack. Regardless, please consider how Mitt Romney would ever actually aid in the issues that you mentioned above.
Thank you,
Candy Candy this is it grab that transcript and read it out loud no no candy line two yes candy thats the one good girl.
Rgray1965
Romney's nasty insinuations that there WAS a cover up are a despicable thing. It's clear that the only "cover up" exists in the diseased minds of Obama haters.
I'm not sure why the wing nuts are hating on Candy Crowley so. She DID point out that Romney was correct that it was two weeks before the Obama administration (as opposed to Obama himself) publicly concluded that the attack was an organized terrorist operation. Not everything Romney says is a lie. All liars have to base their lies in some facts that exist in the real world. Otherwise, nobody would know what they are babbling about.
And Romney has never explained why, exactly,what period of time is permissible for an investigation in a chaotic and dangerous place like Benghazi. Should Obama have come out that night after the attack the way Romney did and make a totally ridiculous and totally wrong claim like Romney did?
EXCELLENT OBSERVATION SKILLS ALLEN!!!!
Liars and cheaters never win! Shame on BOTH of them!
I didn't watch, or listen to, the debate. I had some growing grass that I needed to keep an eye on, rather that watch to them lie.
That said, gallup has obama going down a point and romney up a point. Just another bump in the road, I reckon.
Houston -- Romney's own advisor thinks Candy was fine.
Anybody wonder how a moderator of a Presidential debate has a transcript in hand about what O'bama said the day after the attack on our Ambassador? Not only that, but then uses it out of context to make a point for one of the contestants? This is @!$%#ing absurd!!!
Moderator Crowley says Romney 'right in the main' on Libya, despite debate intervention
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/16/fact-check-did-obama-really-call-consulate-attack-in-libya-act-terror/#ixzz29aW56USF
In my opinion the question to former Governor Romney What differences does your platform have to Former President Bush's platform was an attempt to have Romney finally say what his platform is.That question was in part as usual by him evaded,but he did have to say something about his plans ,not that he had much to say except that his plans would be better. Does anyone including Romney himself have any idea what he would do if he was elected Pesident,except ask his mentor Norquist what should he do now ?.
I only have 1 Question for you RWNJ. If Romney is going to cut Dividends to zero from the current 15% and he paid 4 Million in Taxes at the 15% and yet he says the top 5% are still going to pay there same share, if Romney goes to Zero who is going to pay his 4 Million from the 15%........ You guessed it the MIDDLECLASS
one of the things in the debate last night that got a chuckle was obama's answer to romney's question regarding obama's pension.
as it turns out obama lied.
romney has no pension like most of the rest of us. he surely has saved some money for retirement so he and his family will be alright. some have said that he would received a pension for his term as governor for which he accepted no salary but that is not true.
as for obama he may well be a double-dipper. he will receive in excess of $190,000 per year beginning the day after he leaves office. he will also receive travel benefits, secret service benefits and other things just like all other past presidents.
bottom line right now is we will pay the millionaire obama with our tax money for the rest of his life. we will only do this for romney if he wins.
One of the most ridiculous things I've heard in the course of the whole Libya discussion is the notion that "this wasn't a demonstration, this wasn't a riot, this was a bunch of armed men...."
These three things, if not perfect synonyms, sure have a ton of overlap, and the best phrase to describe what actually happened is made even more difficult by what Hillary referred to the other day as "the fog of war."
Frankly, I think Romney's conclusion that this demonstrates that Obama's foreign policy is in disarray is a complete non sequitur. And his challenging Obama on the Rose Garden statement was a glaring unforced error on Romney's part.
Someone as careless and crass as Romney is the last person I want in charge of anything important.
@JustSlapMe Thank you for being the only other one so far to notice or catch how Mitt plans to pay for some of his tax cuts for the rich. What is everyone else talking about if the economy and debt are the most important issues?
He actually gave out some details if you paid attention. He said that each person will get a LIMITED "bucket" or amount that they could use for deductions. Just like an insurance policy if you use all your deductions up for the year you are screwed and will end up having to PAY MORE even though you qualify to take other deductions. YOU WILL ONLY BE ABLE TO DEDUCT SO MUCH EVERY YEAR. It will be less then 47% of Americans get to deduct already. It has to or else he cannot cover the costs of the other things he want to do. Even then he is going to drive up our debt worse then Obama has. That is how Mitt will pay for his tax break for the rich. Get those lazy freeloading Americans that do not pay any income tax at all to finally pay something...
Why has Obama's policy of taxing the rich not been able to happen in 4 years? What effect would that have had on our debt if we had more revenue over these 4 years? Would our debt be as bad? No it would not. Therefore, not all of Obama's economic polices are even in place. You prevented him from implementing his policy of higher taxes on the rich and then try to say his polices fail...
A change in capital gains like others have said does chit for most middle class people. Only the rich use/benefit from capital gains. People like Mitt get 80% or more of their income from investments that only capital gains can tax. Capital gains needs to go up, not down. That is one of the biggest loopholes/deductions there is.
(MSN ate my post, it is what I get for trying to fix it :P.)
Since I am am back I think the turning point in the debate was when Obama used the South Park defense and told him that his was bigger. After Obama told Mitt that his was bigger to much blood enter Mitt's brain and flooded it. 'You Americans have such huge large..."
BillyBob
Obama said "Yours is bigger". One man's pension is another man's IRA. You are splitting hairs here and are out of line calling our President a liar for this.
I'll take the $100 million IRA over a $190,000 per year pension.
Romney's business success has cost us plenty with all the unemployment compensation paid to laid off workers as Mitt walked away with millions.
If he called it a terrorist attack (which he didnt, his statement was a general statement, not specific to the attack) why then send UN ambassador Rice to tell the world that this was the result of a film, and then jail that film maker?
billybob -- Romney has an IRA worth something in the range of 87 million dollars. It's in his BLIND TRUST.
What you should be asking how he was able to grow it that much when the laws we must abide by limits how much we can fund our account.
Speaking of laughs though did you hear what Romney said at one time about blind trusts?
Obama administration has said they were going by the intelligencethat were getting and that the investigation had so far lead them to believe it had something to do with a film. We know that within 24hours The State Department and the White House was given video of the attack along with a description of events KNOWN of which showed or said anything about a video. How did the administration go well over a week talking about a video and a protest that when neither was ever mentioned by anyone outside the administration? President of Libya said early on it was a terrorist attack but the administration continued the same line of a video and protest. I think it is a fair question to ask why they got it so wrong, for so long, and what information they were given and when? If we find out he knew the next day it was thought to be a terrorist attack yet went forward with that B.S. video and protest story then the only conclusion you can make is COVER UP!
Yes let's keep the guy who blamed a protest that never happened over a film that no one had heard of.
It took them weeks to learn what CNN, FOX, CBS, ABC, & NBC learned in days? Not to mention Libya president told us it was a terrorist attack! B.B.S. = Baracks Bull S*&$
Kornfed and Logic Required, if you are interested in correcting yourself and seeing what the administration has said beginning on 9/12/12 about the consulate attack, CNN has an excellent timeline with quotes.
They speak for themselves and, I might add, do not require any defending.
www cnn.com/2012/10/10/world/libya-attack-statements/index.html
Wow, this is a red letter day. A post by Feisty was deleted.
Dont_carry_it_all
Romney's campaign advisers are at least smart enough to know it only makes it look worse when you complain about the moderator. The RWNJs on this message boards are that smart.
Watching Candy, who names there child after a stripper ?, save Obama time and time again , then at one point on Lydia throw in the towel... sad sad to watch...
At one point when asked about weapons ban, Obama could not keep from stutering... ah Obama our 2nd amendment, at least your admit to wanting to take it,
Obama 2012 Cradle to the Grave ! Give me your Money Give me your Freedoms ! <admitted to the 2nd one >
all the paid posters out in force today....not doing much good tho. we all saw it...we saw oidiot get caught in lies...i agree with a few...it went both ways...but didnt sway the needle....it did however show again how incompetent oidiot really is. hes a decent dude. id love to play golf with him...god knows he gets in quite a bit of t time. but folks what he is doing isnt working. pay no attention to the paid group...craphouse, fiesty...you know who they are...they spend all day on these posts doing what the dems pay em to do. oidiot has had his shot...he blew it!!! plain and simple...his days in the whitehouse are numbered. move on libs...now lets give romney a shot and see if he can do any better. one thing is for certain...he can do no worse!!! later libs...mowing the yard.
romney ryan 2012 FINALLY!!!!
Oh he can do a lot worse, guncarrier.
Right now, GDP up, jobs up, housing starts up, stock market up, corporate profits up.
Romney could actually do what he's said and turn this economy around.
RonB from Pittsburgh
Obama didn't explicitly label the Benghazi strike terrorism in those Sept. 12 remarks. What he did say is: "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation."
Now, if you want to be dishonest to yourself, I suppose you can pretend he said it was a terrorist attack...but you would only be fooling yourself. Anyone with any capability what so ever of seeing things as they are, even through a thick haze of bias, can see this for what it is.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!
I see the limp-wristed Libbies are apoplectic about their boy-toy Barrack Husseins abysmal performance again.
Of course they claim Romney lies about his plans but Barrack has yet to show his plans. He just keeps entertaining the Libbies about the fact that he has allegedly created 5 million jobs.
Let's look at that, shall we?
Although six in 10 jobs lost during the Great Recession paid mid-level wages, the majority of new jobs created in the recovery -- positions such as store clerks, laborers and home healthcare aides -- pay much less, according to a new study.
Most of the jobs are minimum wage/low-no benefit sectors such as retail, food services, home health care and temporary services.
Lower-paying jobs, with median hourly wages from $7.69 to $13.83, accounted for just 21% of the job losses during the recession. But they've made up about 58% of the job growth from the end of the recession in late 2009 through early 2012.
In contrast, mid-wage occupations with median hourly wages from $13.84 to $21.13 -- jobs such as construction workers, real estate brokers, and data entry clerks -- have accounted for just 22% of the new jobs in the recovery after making up 60% of the job losses in the recession.
So, the pay scales being offered are in the lower class which will barely generate $25,000 a year of income.
Of course the centerpiece of Obama's economic policy is the $863 billion $timulu$. This means it's costing US TAXPAYERS over $270,000 per job.
Call me skeptical but I want my money back, this is NOT a very good return on investment no matter how you slice it. Of course this was borrowed money adding more to our crippling deficits and National Debt, increasing future interest costs for no return as these most jobs likely won't pay any Federal income taxes, AGAIN!
Of course the Libbies are gaga over the alleged "Jobs Bill" that the Republicans refuse to pass. Only in the Liberal mind can spending more for these pathetic results make any sense.
But then again, Liberals don't care because they don't contribute to any revenue generation for our economy anyway.
Now, it was interesting that Barrack Hussein was championing the Lily Ledbetter Act which expanded the statute of limitations on fair pay lawsuits. Since the Equal Pay Act of 1963 was signed into law, the pay gap has closed at less than half-a-cent per year. That trend is continuing, as the pay gap barely closed from 2009 to 2010.
Women made 77 percent of men’s earnings in 2009, the year the law passed. In 2010, that was virtually unchanged, as women’s wages rose to 77.4 percent of men’s. The gap is even larger for African Americans and Latinos: black women made 67.5 percent of all men’s earnings in 2009, while Latino women made 57.7 percent. In 2010, those figures ticked up to 67.7 percent and 58.7 percent, respectively.
But what's most amazing is this.
Government records show that despite the Democratic National Convention’s early focus on salary equality for women, President Barack Obama has consistently paid his own female staffers less than men who perform similar or identical duties.
And nearly four years ago, at the height of the 2008 election season, Scripps Howard syndicated columnist Deroy Murdock wrote that female staffers in Obama’s U.S. Senate office, too, were shortchanged.
“Obama’s average male employee earned $54,397,” Murdock determined from online Senate salary records. But the future president’s “30 female employees earned $45,152, on average.”
Data from the Obama White House’s 2011 annual report show that female staffers there earn a median salary 18 percent lower than that of men.
Hypocrisy is just a way of life for Liberals as they espouse all their coveted concerns but never follow their own rules.
The Benghazi incident is turning into a massive foreign policy cluster-f**k.
Now it turns out that Barrack Hussein KNEW that this was a terrorist attack the day after it occurred. Of course he told this to Kerry Ladka, the debate questionnaire, AFTER the debate. In the meantime for 5 days after the murders Susan Rice and the rest of the Barrack Hussein cover-up cabal were on 5 different Sunday news shows claiming it was a "spontaneous act" because of some insignificant movie trailer.
Barrack claims he didn't say anything for 2 weeks because he was deliberating it. This means he was dithering, as usual, to try and salvage anything he can from his abysmal foreign policy.
LIAR!
This cover-up has all the underpinnings of Watergate.
Except no one died in Watergate.
As tough as Barrack Hussein pretended to be last night, it's a shame he doesn't get that upset when a dictator like Daniel Ortega gave a 52 minute tirade against America. He sat there like a child and just submitted.
How pathetic!
Now Libbies, tell me what Barrack Husseins plan is for the following.
Trade reform.
Tax reform.
Regulation reform.
Union reform.
Energy policy.
Social Security.
Medicare.
Education. Both K-12 and college.
I'll wait for your attempt at answers.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©
shaak @ 2.55 said -- Obama said "Yours is bigger". One man's pension is another man's IRA. You are splitting hairs here and are out of line calling our President a liar for this.
not out of line. just following the process of the left posters here. obama said he has a pension, he does not, therefore a lie.
besides it does often come down to what the meaning of "is" is.
oh my goodness. obama has decided that he is going to lose. refers to his presidency in the past tense.
President Obama spoke of being president in the past tense during last night's second presidential debate with Mitt Romney: "The way we're going to create jobs here is not just changing our tax code, but also to double our exports. And we are on pace to double our exports, one of the commitments I made when I was president. That's creating tens of thousands of jobs all across the country."
shaak322
Hmmmm, so where is your outrage for Jeff Immelt?
You know who Jeff Immelt is, right? Barrck Husseins “Job Czar”. Barracks Chairman of the Council on Jobs and Competitiveness. The man who runs GE.
This GE.
Have we heard about GE touting themselves as champions of the factory worker? Of course we have. GE has also recently closed more than 20 factories, shifted avionics and radiology businesses to China according to Reuters, and pushed for public policies that will allow them to continue that course. GE is self-identifying "core" manufacturing interests, as though its other manufacturing interests simply vanished from the books. The truth is, they closed many of those plants here in America. According to GE's own records and statements, it had 125,000 U.S. manufacturing jobs in 2000 compared to 50,000 in 2010. Isn’t GE’s CEO, Jeff Immelt, at the head of the Economic Advisory Board? The “Jobs Czar” for the Obama administration? Government records show at least 38 events since 2001 in which workers at GE plants in the U.S. were made eligible for trade adjustment assistance due to outsourcing or import competition. Immelt has referred to China as GE's "second home market"
THIS IS THE CORPORATION THAT IS RUN BY THE “JOB CZAR”!!!!!!!!!
I’ll wait for your demands that Barrack Huseein fire him.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©
Gee, what is that moderator's actual job? Oh yea, she's a journalist. OMG why would a journalist or a moderator for that matter have anything at all pertaining to the JOB at hand? I know you wingnuts are unfamiliar with the concept of being prepared for your job. That's highly likely THE very reason you are all on here whining incessantly about your unemployed miserable lives. Go back to your grazing field and let those with an IQ above that of a Kornfed cow discuss the issues.
And his wife Queen Ann, what in life has she accomplished? Giving Birth to 5 more cult members, No work ethic, The maids, cleaners, cooks, butlers, Nanny's, They did all the work so Queen Ann could do ZILCH. The look she gave POTUS Obama after Obama kicked her husbands butt in the debate says it all, she is a contemptuous person, She has gotten everything she has from her Husband and has done nothing in her sorry life
Watching Robme scurrying around in the debate like an old 80 year old man was kind of sad, then my wife said that is what happens when you dont do any physical work your whole life, you just fire people and send jobs to china, I bet he did not even try and build his sons a fort or tree house, he just called in the workers and had them build it. The man has no physical work ethic
Hahahaha; Romney couldn't clean Obama's clock if Obama himself told him how. He has no idea how the economy works; if he did, he'd know that trickle-down economics does not work and that you have to spur demand, not supply, in a recession.
We don't have to settle for a slow recovery, I'll give you that. The problem is, nobody has proposed anything to get us out of this rut in a quick manner. Romney's tax cuts and deregulatory policies would easily throw us into another financial crisis (while also turning us into Greece); Obama is on the right track with his American Jobs Act, but it is nowhere near the amount needed to get us back to potential output in a timely fashion. Romney isn't committing to changing; he's merely vouching for the same supply-side policies that didn't work when Ronald Reagan tried them in the 1980 and surely won't work now.
Ambiguous, perhaps, yet "acts of terror" technically means "terrorist attack." Unless you failed English 101, "acts of terror" means "terrorist attack" in the most general sense. And by the way, attacking the moderator is a clear sign that that you lost; some of us lefties did it when Obama lost the debate in Denver, and now you righties are doing it now. My advice: lay off of Crowley; she posed a very credible question of how Romney is different than Bush when his entire economic plan is nearly identical to Bush's.
And we the people are offended at how Republicans like you insult the American people by throwing us the same rotten meat that you did with Bush and saying its prime rib. Romney will not win this election, and even if he does it will be by a slim margin; the same thing with Obama. At least liberals like us are going to be reasonable about the results of this election.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
Well, neither of them is willing to dump the one-sided debacle that is free trade and play in the mud with our competitors, but both are pledging to be tough on China and other trade manipulators. Obama most likely will do it; Romney might, but the fact that he denounced said practice in his book No Apologies.
Well, Romney clearly has a plan for "tax reform," which is essentially another bull@!$%# attempt to redistribute wealth from bottom to the top by cutting tax rates for the wealthy, and if Romney is really devoted to deficit reduction, which his plans say otherwise, he'd have to raise taxes on middle class Americans and sell his tax plan as a tax cut for the rich and a tax hike for the poor.
Well, neither of them actually proposes real regulatory reform. In my mind, and in the minds of millions of Americans, regulatory reform means a prioritization of the regulatory framework, cutting regulations were they are not needed or insufficient and adding (yes, adding) regulations when needed, which is a radical movement from the past 40 years where "regulatory reform" has always meant deregulation. Romney would merely ax regulations like Dodd-Frank (which is needed) and environmental regulations that save lives, while Obama would add more regulations. While I do think that we need to go over our regulatory system, I do not think we should cut environmental regulations or Dodd-Frank; in the case of the latter, we ought to strengthen it to prevent another Depression.
If your talking about finishing off what's left of the union establishment in America and enacting or supporting a National Right-to-Work bill, then Romney's for it. If your talking about giving unions a small foothold in the fight for worker's rights, then Obama's for it. It depends what you mean by "union reform."
Obama (I hope) would still push for cap and trade, keep environmental regulations to lower greenhouse emissions, and lead the way for the transition from fossil fuels to green energy. Romney would cut environmental regulations and keep us on fossil fuels, leaving us behind as the rest of the world advances in green technology before New York City, Charleston, and San Francisco drown and the last real picture of the Statue of Liberty is underwater.
Neither Romney or Obama have actually put forward a plan to save Social Security, although Romney talks about raising the retirement age to 67 while Obama mentions (or mentioned) raising the taxable maximum to $250k or $500k.
Obama has saved Medicare for the medium-term, extending it's lifetime to 2024 from 2016 with the savings from Obamacare. Romney would actually make Medicare bankrupt in 2016 by removing the Medicare savings and reopening the donut hole for Medicare Part D, hurting seniors with higher drug prices and forcing massive cuts to benefits even before turning the system into a voucher.
Both are pretty much on the same page when it comes to charter schools and education reform, although Romney is more focused on school choice and maybe vouchers while Obama focuses on hiring more teachers and on the public system (including charter schools) as a whole. Obama also extended the lower interest rates for college Pell Grants and expanded them for more students, while Romney says he would do the same.
Thank you. It took me a few minutes to get these down.
Obama Biden 2012 for SANE Americans.
What paid off for Obama was having a very distinctly biased Candy Crowley as the moderator. Crowley cut off Romney and did not allow him the same time as Obama, even allowing Obama the last word when it was Romney's turn. Crowley bailing out Obama on Libya was an egregious error, and one in which Obama was allowed to perpetuate a lie. Debates are suppose to be a level playing field, and in this case Romney was debating both Obama and Crowley.
@ kornfed: Your partisan blinders are very impressive. So he's holding a press conference about the consulate attack and the words "acts of terror" just happened to slip out of his mouth.
I suppose you think he decided to, what, change the subject randomly there for a second?
Come on, you're only kidding yourself.
Conservative whining about Candy Crowley...
...and...
...GO!!!
Da Noid
Conservative whining about Candy Crowley...
...and...
...GO!!!
Who cares they are bed wetters!!!
♥ ♥ed It when our President told MYTH: "we don't do that"
"the suggestion that anybody in my team, whether the Secretary of State, our U.N. Ambassador, anybody on my team would play politics or mislead when we've lost four of our own, governor, is offensive." I'm the CIC
Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2012/10/17/what-happened-at-the-second-presidential-debate/#ixzz29ZRBvhaz
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In other words I got this MYTH.
FIRED UP
4 more 4 44
All conservatives are a-noid!!!!!!!!!!
...because they were losers last night.
Breitbart...
...nice unbiased source, that one is.
Really, if Breitbart is all this poor soul can use as a source....he know he lost.
elliot-3020456,
Gawd would you please stop spamming this site with Breibart. His spirit is evil.
If you want to be his zombie go over to his website and post. That's where you belong with the rest of the brain dead.
4 more 4 44
Obama/Biden 2012
Is it untrue? Surely you can point out some whoppers in here since you claim that it's biased.
Perhaps the word you're looking for is inconvenient.
Bammy hid behind Candy's fat a$$ and you all know it. The Libya comment by him was an outright lie, and you know that too. I no longer disagree with the left, I mourn their stupidity.
4 4 44 and No More!
Conservatives whining about a strong woman? YEP!
Don't women know they are supposed to be subservient? Don't they know they don't deserve to earn the same pay for the same work as a man?
Don't these women know they should be forced to bear the child of a rapist, of their own father? Don't they know they must give up their lives if necessary to save an embryo conceived this way?
Don't women know they need permission from their employers to use contraceptive insurance coverage? Don't women know they are sluts if they use contraception? Don't they know that it's fine for men to take Viagra and have it covered by insurance?
Don't women know they should be forced to undergo an unnecessary vaginal ultrasound, at their own expense, before terminating a pregnancy?
Don't women know they should have to pay double the insurance premiums of men?
Don't women know that they should work all day and then come home and bear the brunt of the housework and child care?
Don't women know they are just not equal to men?
ANY WOMAN WHO VOTES FOR A REPUBLICAN IS A FOOL!!!
Breitbart is dead.
Got it? Dead. Gone. Irrelevant.
So is Johnny Carson, but the Tonight Show is still on the air.
You should go remind Lenno that Johnny Carson is dead.
kaybeetoys
ANY WOMAN WHO VOTES FOR A REPUBLICAN IS A FOOL!!
kaybeetoys,
Can you believe there are some still saying they are undecided after MYTH folded like a cheap suit case last night?
We saw the real MYTH last night. He is clueless!!
I am still tripping over that clueless buffoon sayin government doesn't create jobs. Then turns around and says he is going to create 12 million jobs.
MYTH made GW Bush look brilliant.
4 more 4 44
Obama/Biden 2012
Elliot, Would you send me your email address, I've got some magic beans to sell to you.
If you haven't already picked urs...I hear Romney's got a complete "binder full of women"....just take your pick...after-all 'women are objects' ala "mail order bride"
Bev - I am still tripping over that clueless buffoon sayin government doesn't create jobs. Then turns around and says he is going to create 12 million jobs.
I am hoping people re-watch the debate. The more times they hear Wrongme say "100%", the more times they are reminded that that man thinks almost half the country are lazy parasites that won't ever take responsibility for themselves. He definitely threw in some new inconsistencies, but this idiot is hammering home his main inconsistency - that his platform is, "Vote for me, you pitiful slackers! I didn't mean it!!! I was just completely wrong!"
That's correct - Wrong about America; Wrong FOR America.
Three debates so far and three debates where Romney/Paul have been debating not only the dems, but the moderator too! And three wins for Romney/Paul! It's hilarious how the left believes that all that insistence that it was the video can logically be translated to it was a premeditated act of terrorism. In fact, the Obama administration still hasn't told the truth to the families of the slain ambassador and the other 3 killed. Fortunately, the the vast majority of Americans can see through the lies. Obviously, Romney won on substance as well as style, just as he did in the first debate and Paul did in the VP debate.
As usual, libs don't look at the facts. Just look at the unemployment rate. Obama's people officially said that it went from 8.1% to 7.8% in September. Sounds good, huh? But, when you look at the actual figures you see that it's a total farce and the real figures tell a very gloomy tale. So, you've got a .3% drop in unemployment and that figure is based on 114,000 new jobs created, which is less than .1% of the 142 million jobs that there are. Add to that the fact that the number of full time employees decreased. Yup, things look just rosy!
Then, you add all his lies about reduction in taxes, you see how absurd it is. In truth, the middle class has seen quite a bit of tax increases under Obama. It's just not publicized by his PR machine. Just look at the taxes included in Obamacare. The solution that Obama has proposed is taxing the rich, ie: taxing the employers. Of course, we all know that by doing that employers are going to hire more people and pay them more wages because they have less money to do it with.
kaybee - "ANY WOMAN WHO VOTES FOR A REPUBLICAN IS A FOOL!!!"
Wow, how meaningful. (sarcasm)
Who was that the Obama Administration threw under the bus to take the blame for Benghazi thereby ruining her political career and making her look like an ignorant doormat?
Hey Hillary, um, you're going to do me a "favor"... jump on this grenade, now.
While still a dog and pony show, it was refreshing to see the President finally attentive to the issue at hand albeit a bit more on the petulent and defensive side versus cool and confident.
A binder ful of women! Is that Robme's policy towards women? Is that it?
Every single republicon voted against the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.
Every.....single......One.
Every single republicon voted against the Violence Against Women Act.......except for the 5 republicon women.
Republican Women vs. Democratic Women - Funny Pictures
witchrunner - only in your little mental midget mind. Romney definitely won the first; Joe the 2nd and President Obama the 3rd!
Grow up - you picked a loser who is nothing more than an empty suit!
Obama/Biden 2012
Romney had his butt handed to him.
That's what an ass whoopin looks like folks.
With Biden's performance the other night, taking down the other bully, I am not sure these two schticks have anything more to say
I am not a big fan of Obama's talking style, but man, he looked like the hussler in chief last night, and I like that.
After last night, Ohio, Pennsylvannia, Florida, Michigan, Virginia and North Carolina are all going to the President. Remember I said so folks.
Women should give Romney a binder....a "hinder binder"...........otherwise known as a wedgie......
are all your heads going to blow up when Romney wins?
Romney was aways ahead in the polls the pollsters are starting to tell the real numbers to save there own assess
4 more for 44 tell that to a newborn when they are 44 and still paying off Obama dept.
Hillary Clinton, as Secretary of State, accepts responsibility for her people. She cares deeply about the people who work with her. She is sure as H3LL no doormat.
Who deserves the blame for what happened in Benghazi? TERRORISTS.
They will be dealt with. Now go play World of Warcraft or whatever and get your aggression out in a safe and entertaining way. Don't try to play politics with national security or with the lives and safety of our American diplomats overseas.
You are way out of your depth, my friend.
Breitbart the man is dead, the website and the reporting lives on. Yes Breitbart.com is a conservative web site but they do have some interesting facts and articles now and again that the mainstream media is to afraid to touch or report on. I also like to read the Huffington Post even though they are a liberal web site they also on occasion write something interesting that the mainstream doesn't talk about. If you just get your news from the mainstream media or liberal websites you are not the informed person you think you are.
You're right, Bev! How does Romney stand there and say "I know how to create jobs" when clearly he is clueless that Republican governors firing hundreds of thousands of public sector workers all over the country has had a devastatingly negative ripple effect on the U.S. economy?
Romney is a wooden puppet in an empty suit. His nose keeps growing. He's hoping the good fairy will wave her magic wand and turn him into a real live boy.
Yes, exactly. When are Romney and Ryan, the entitled ones, ever going to learn to play by the rules they agreed on before the debates?
Nothing new here at all since the ideologues from both sides will insist their candidate won. As I have done before, I would throw out polls from FOX and NBC and the like and use what I characterize as something as close to a middle ground poll as possible which would be CNN that has concluded the debate to be essentially a tie.
I would consider this a major victory for Obama to be able to achieve a tie in a debate where he's handicapped by such a dismal record of failure. Once again, style appears to have prevailed over substance.
You probably trip over a lot of things with your limited capacity for thought. The government can not HIRE 12 million people which has been Obama's plan, expand government and hire people to run those new programs, pay for it by attacking and taxing private businesses. The government can put policies in place that help PRIVATE businesses expand, grow, and hire more employees which actually tends to work.
LogicReguired
Hmm... What was it Shakespeare said? Oh yes:
"The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones." ~ William Shakespeare, Julius Caesar: Act 3, Scene 2
I read from a variety of sources, which you would know if you read my comments consistently. I read and watch all the faux news, conspiracy theories and lies I can stand.
Trust me Doc, I will remember who all the kool aid drinking, out of touch, completely wrong people were and you will be right up there. Not first or second, but maybe top five.
Last night's debate only showed us how much a LIAR Barrack Obama really is! And, he does it (LIES) with the full support and assistance of the main stream media.
He said, last night, that he referred to the attack on the Libyan consulate as an act of terrorism in his rose garden speech the day after it happened.
That is a LIE.
I know this because I actually did what he suggested, and looked at a transcript of the speech. He referred to "acts of terrorism" in a generic sense. Here is the ONLY reference he made to terrorism in the entire speech;
But never once did he refer to this inicedent as a terrorist attack.
In fact, the administration said it was a response to the recent release of an anti-islamic video; and, he made reference to that in the Rose Gardenspeech. Here is what he said; (this comes right from a transcript)
For two weeks, he and his people kept to that story. He even went to the General Assembly of The U.N. and gave a speech about freedom of expression in direct response to this incident!
So, for him to say, last night, that he called it an act of terrorism, is a LIE, and Candy Crowley actually helped him perpetrate that lie.
Additionally Crowley was the worst debate moderator of all time. She gave Obama almost 4 minutes more "talk time", and allowed him to cut Gov. Romney off several times.
By virtue of what I have posted above, Obama's own words from his Rose Garden speech after the Libya incident, and based upon his challenge to go look at the transcript, it should be evident to all that Romney won the denate.
Obama is a slick-talking LIAR, and we cannot afford 4 more years of his incompetence.
So, I apologize to all the Obama-Shama-Lama-Ding-Dongs who are chortling amd crowing today about what happened last night.
But, a FACT CHECK proves Obama to be a LIAR, and it also proves that Romney won last nights debate.
DEMOCRATS FOR ROMNEY 2012!!!!!
You will have to explain the "evil" part of Breitbart since the majority of what he did and was made famous for was taking video of people lying, cheating, and breaking the law. Don't you liberals want people to follow the laws and not steal or cheat the system? If exposing corruption and evil lawbreaking practices makes you evil than I don't want to be good.
Logic, I'd be very careful if I were you. You should give the matter some serious thought before you align yourself with that drunken, raving, dishonest, self-serving muckraker, the late Andrew Breitbart.
Friendly advice: Breitbart is dead. He can never redeem himself now. You might want to bear that in mind before you follow in his footsteps.
Witchrunner
Here's the killer.
Durning the Obama Era (some would say Error), for every one person added to the work force, 10 have left. Most of those leaving the workforce have happened since the 99 weeks of unemployment have expired. Most of those leaving have occured in the last 18 months.
kaybeetoys: They agreed that they had to debate the moderators too? Funny, I missed that part of the agreement. The fact is that Obama lied about calling it a terrorist attack from the beginning and Candy lied too when she interrupted Romney to agree with Obama. The administration and their media (nbc, cbs, abc, cnn, etc.) spent over 2 weeks calling Libya a "spontaneous" uprising over a dumb video that nobody saw. Heck, if all you listened to was these people you'd be clueless that 20 or so embassies had come under attack. The coverup makes Watergate seem like child's play. If Obama was a repub these people would be screaming for him to be impeached. Instead, they prefer to be complicit in the coverup.
db akron: Not sure I'd say the they've "left" the workforce. They're just not counted as being in the workforce. Heck, if they'd be half way honest and just used the same workforce figure as when Obama took office, the unemployment rate would be 11.6%. The reality is that those willing to work is probably a lot higher and thus an even higher unemployment rate. But, as we know, facts aren't important to libs.
DA BOSS IS BACK!!!!!!
Well, it's official, the President won last night's debate hands down. How do I know?
Because I listened to Rush Limbaugh for about 12 minutes (it's all I could stand, but it was a personal best for me) on my way back from Tulsa this morning and he was all indignant about the debate, the moderator and the "fact" (his word) "Obama lied about Libya." He said that about 20 times in the twelve minutes I was able to stomach. His tone and his comments were disrespectful and dismissive and he was almost apologetic regarding Romney's performance. (I paraphrase) "What's Mitt supposed to do when Obama out-right LIES to the American people?"
It was pretty obvious Limbaugh thought Romney got his clock cleaned and he was doing everything he could to tear down the winner. wah-wah-wah.
And just for the record Limbaugh also said the Democrat party are all liars, all liberals are liars and that's the entire liberal agenda is to lie their way to power.
Man, that guy has got to go.
If we re-implemented the Fairness Doctrine in broadcasting he'd be on the street within 72 hours. Thank Saint Reagan once again for all he's done for us. The reason we are as polarized today is because the rich and powerful can use the public airwaves to inundate the low-information members of our society with absolutely BLATANT propaganda.
Dr. Goebbels would be so proud.
But back on point, good job Mr. President.
Obama/Biden 2012
Kaybeetoys:
I've read all your posts. You are the most senseless, argumentative, narcissistic libtard I've EVER come across on ANY boards. Congrats!
JustForStarters:
I've read ONE of your posts and I feel confident in saying you are the most senseless, argumentative, narcissistic, RWNJ I've EVER come across on ANY board. Congrats!
And remember plagiarism is the most sincere form of compliment.
Obama/Biden 2012
Candy Candy this is it grab that transcript and read it out loud no no candy line two yes candy thats the one good girl.
Whats it come down is to a job plan.
People need jobs if it has to start in oil and coal so be it it's a start that can get the wheels turning.
Romney 2012
Coming from you, that's a genuine compliment. Many thanks.
Glad to see you, skip! I liked this part especially:
Man, that Limbaugh is deranged! Twelve minutes of him would have made me physically ill, so be careful and try to build up your tolerance gradually.
She accepted responsibility, which was the appropriate response from the Agency Secretary. The President accepted responsibility as was appropriate for the POTUS. Make all the derogatory asinine comments you'd like but here's the new reality; If Romney is elected, he will be the Nations last Republican president. If Romney is not elected GW will be the last Republican president. If Hillary chooses to run she will likely be the next president. Here's the problem for the Republican Party; the demographics of this country are changing. Rather than embracing the change and becoming part of it (which by nature conservatives are unable to do), the Republicans think they can stave off the inevitable by passing Jim Crow laws and poll taxes...your party dies by it's own hand.
@JustSlapMe Thank you for being the only other one so far to notice or catch how Mitt plans to pay for some of his tax cuts for the rich. What is everyone else talking about if the economy and debt are the most important issues?
He actually gave out some details if you paid attention. He said that each person will get a LIMITED "bucket" or amount that they could use for deductions. Just like an insurance policy if you use all your deductions up for the year you are screwed and will end up having to PAY MORE even though you qualify to take other deductions. YOU WILL ONLY BE ABLE TO DEDUCT SO MUCH EVERY YEAR. It will be less then 47% of Americans get to deduct already. It has to or else he cannot cover the costs of the other things he want to do. Even then he is going to drive up our debt worse then Obama has. That is how Mitt will pay for his tax break for the rich. Get those lazy freeloading Americans that do not pay any income tax at all to finally pay something...
Why has Obama's policy of taxing the rich not been able to happen in 4 years? What effect would that have had on our debt if we had more revenue over these 4 years? Would our debt be as bad? No it would not. Therefore, not all of Obama's economic polices are even in place. You prevented him from implementing his policy of higher taxes on the rich and then try to say his polices fail...
A change in capital gains like others have said does chit for most middle class people. Only the rich use/benefit from capital gains. People like Mitt get 80% or more of their income from investments that only capital gains can tax. Capital gains needs to go up, not down. That is one of the biggest loophole/deduction there is.
You bet KB, I always love to see Minnie's smiling face. Yeah, 12 minutes was all I could take. When limbaugh starting to play his "condensed" version of the debate I turned off the radio. I was afraid I might hit a bridge abutment or something in my outrage.
I'm serious here folks, that man has got to go. You cannot turn the public airwaves over to pure propaganda like he broadcasts. What I heard of his broadcast today was pure HATE. It ought to be against the law.
Obama/Biden 2012
Hey, Spin Tin Tin,
@ #2.18,
The President made it VERY CLEAR last night that he takes responsiblity for everything as President.
He was not throwing anyone "under the bus".
GO TELL FAUX WE'RE NOT BUYING IT.
Yes, I know censorship is your first thought being a liberal, but people who don't share your views still have rights too. (For now anyway) As far as your silly little "pure HATE" comment I would just say as someone who has heard Rush a few times (NOT a daily or even weekly listener) I can say what he does is far from hate. He is more like a Bill Maher who mocks and makes fun of his opponents than preaching hate (rev. Wright).
Most impartial accounts of the debate seem to indicate a tie. However, since the bar is set so low for Obama, a tie is considered a victory for him. How tragic that someone with such chronic ineptitude as Obama could be president.
Barack Obama has repeatedly demonstrated that his only actual talent is that of getting elected to public office.
So your saying it was not so obvious to every one watching that there was a MAJOR lean , to help Obama limp along past this debate from the Candy ?
I mean why else would you mention it ????
Thankfully Planned Parenthood does NOT share Margaret Sanger' views,
Rgray1965, It has evolved like the Democratic Party. In the 1860s it was the Southern Democratic Party that supported Slavery as an institution. Now the GOP supports what the DNC has rejected. Do women need permission their male white masters to keep their reproductive system healthy?
Institutions evolve, what starts out evil can serve the good of the people everywhere. What started off good can become evil incarnate. Like the GOP has out of fear of the TEA Party.
If by major lean, was Romney kept from cheating, like the first debate, then I agree.
kaybee -- for someone with such a cute avatar you are certainly a very mean-spirited individual.
And you Billy Bob are a gentle man? On the contrary I see the kind of red neck, in you, I might be if I had been raised exclusively in the south. Is Kaybee mean because she thinks for her self? If so we need a lot more women like her. I rejected my red neck heritage. I look forward to the day red necks exist in movies, TV shows and books.
I'm offering friendship KB.
Thanks, skip and Wade. I appreciate your support.
As for you, billybob, you're going to have to do a lot better than that if you want to insult me. I am not easily insulted and I don't take jabs from strangers on the internet to heart.
I know who I am and I know what I stand for.
I don't deliver insults to other posters unless they've earned it. As for Romney and Ryan, I'll insult them all day long and half the night. The right to free speech, does that ring a bell?
Now you have yourself a real nice day, billybob, and you come back, ya hear? :)
How pathetic that an incumbent president can do no better then a tie with a challenger. When words like we tried are what is coming out of Obama's mouth, it is pretty hard for people to see someone that can lead us out of this crisis. Nothing from Obama detailed a second term, just stay the course, which has been anemic by any account. Obama's only plan is for himself, and that is to enjoy the perks and the benefits of being president. As for the country, Obama wants to right what he sees as the wrongs of colonialism, which is why we hear nothing of details.
Nice talk radio talking points, Rick.
Damn gremlins! ;o)
Hi Fiesty, you are absolutely correct. And, I am tired of the language that the right use toward anyone who disagrees with them. Trolling and bullying because at the end of the day, that is all they know. Sad. But Obama kicked Romney's butt last night and did a great job. I especially loved the 47% comment. And, I don't care how many times Mitt practices in front of the mirror that he loves all 100% of us, even the binder women. It is the biggest lie of all lies. He doesn't give 2 s***ts about anyone who is a part of the billionaire club. He will protect his assets before protecting the people and he is the biggest bully of all.
Good Morning, Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Damn gremlins! ;o)
They are so weird
The Feisty One won last night.
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4 more years.
Penny!
Our President took NO prisoners! ☺
How any woman can vote for those two is beyond belief!
Good Morning Bev!
Dear Ms Fiesty, I thought President Obama was great. Kudos to you Mr President. You know with my time difference I had to tape the debate. when I watched it, it made me sick how Mr Romney treated the president with no respect. I guess that's how he treats his 47%. BTW, did you see my e:mail to you,hopefully not in the spam.
Hi Jean!
Yup & Thanks!
I got it... look for a response a little later! ☺
Tell your kids I said HI!
Like this little tidbit?
Most of the time with certain high_volume/low_information posters like this, the posts if nothing else are entertaining in how they demonstrate the vacuous nature of the Lefts so-called "argument". But now the routine is getting just stale and sad. You just wonder what kind of hate is in their heart where they are only capable of interacting at this low of a level.
hey Talk thats ok Feisty is a joke. The reponse from Feisty will be to tell you to 'blank' off here in a minute. What would you expect from an Obama concubine
Hand, Wow! What a hater. Just because your life sucks don't project that hatred on others. Be careful, if Obama wins again your head might explode.
Talk to the Hand - Please remember on Newsvine, Feisty has free reign to do / say what ever she pleases. It is amazing how far she is allowed to go beyond the Code of Honor, but is not penalized.
Feisty is representative of the extremist left, thus the vile hatred she projects is truly what the Tea Party equivalent really is.
Hatred, uber-partisan, extremists, terrorists, etc... Call it what you will... But it will never be "OK".
BTW... The comments above about Obama "bitc$-slapping" Romney, "owning Romney", "whipping Romney", etc... Really??? Catch the CBS poll afterward of non-committed voters??? 1/3 for Obama, 1/3 for Romney, 1/3 said it was a tie.
Yep, a real "smack-down"... Obama failed to win, therefore, as the incumbent, he LOST (happy dance...)!
Isn't this precious?
The Feisty Redhead Fan Club decided to throw an impromptu meeting in my honor!
Obsessive, angry, little birds aren't they? lol
Carry on fans!
Awww poor widdow bebe's got their feelings hurt.....
Here is a binder of women for you to drool over.
Republican Women vs. Democratic Women - Funny Pictures
I was laughing when all those pundits and journalists used the word 'feisty' to describe the president's performance in the post-debate analyses. So, I thought I would tell this to all of you including 'Feisty Red.."
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The President helped his own cause and our shared liberal cause.
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God help those who help themselves.
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4 more years....
Feisty - they seem to meet in your honor whenever their candidate ends up looking as hollow as most of us know he is. Deflection is all the mental midgets have isn't it?
Obama/Biden 2012
Feisty, defend Obama's record. *Popcorn*
crickets*
speaking of Mental Midgets, looks like the head dwarf Seeking has arrived.
i think fiesty must be a gov freebie user and shes afraid her meal ticket will lose and will have to see what the real world and making her own way is like or is writing from the nut house now you can start defending your dem or dim views
Housing starts are the highest in 4 years.
House prices are going up. My mortgage is above water again.
The unemployment rate is down to 7.8%.
The US debt is down to the 2006 level. It has been dropping for 3 years now.
OBL is dead. Mission Accomplished.
Wow penny, you could just disagree with his policies but you think a man who has given 100 times more to charities than Obama or Biden doesn't give a crap about people. It's easy to be charitable with other peoples money isn't it, but it is much harder to give out of your own pocket. Romney has given millions and a large percent of his income every year from his own account, Biden and Obama gave a little when they started running for office but had not done anything up to that point. So who is it who cares and who is it who is the fake?
Romney/Ryan 2012
Caesar Augustus-
Not defending President Obama's record, but one would have to be under a spell to not understand that it took 10 years for the country to recover from the crash of 1929-30. The signs of a recovery are all over the place for anyone that wants to look. The only criticism seems to be that the _igger just hasn't done it fast enough and special enough to fill your bank accounts.
I'm curious Caesar, have you lost a job in the past 6 years? Do you earn as much or more than you did 4 years ago? Do you have a retirement account in place?
Of course you are the only one that really knows the truthful answer to these questions but if the answer to any of these is Y you are better off than about 50 million of the 250m that are of work age. If Y to 2 or 3 you have no right to complain about the last 4 years.
Are you referring to the
Churchcult which mandates Willard "give" 10% of his income? lmaoIt's no wonder he doesn't want to release his tax returns, I'm sure the cult would be pissed to find out how much he's withheld from them!
Not true. Feisty has been penalized. She takes her lumps without whining.
...more than can be said for your pansy-a$$ candidate the milquetoast Mittens.
WAY TO GO BARACK!!!! YOU DID US PROUD! THANK YOU THANK YOU! WAY TO PUT YOUR FOOT DOWN AND NOT BE THE DOOR MAT!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!!!
Awwwwww, Poor Caezar Discustus is upset he missed out on popcorn..... Hehehe Mental Midgets......lol, at least it'll fit on a bumper sticker. Tends to be the limit of all those intellectual Giants, such as yourself.
OK, more than enough time spent on you. Just thought I'd boost your ego by acknowledging your existence.
Now, to something a tad more important.............................
Fiesty, da popcorn was Great, TY!!! ( I'm still walking in space a bit from all the "party favors" I indulged in each time mittens lied, mis lead...interrupted, was rude....dis missive....ETC......had to change bowls almost as often as ya need to change barrels on a rockin' 50cal........>8o): )
Today, I'm a happy Puppy.... Obama not only showed up, he kicked ASS.
Oh, for all who may be in doubt, I'm a proud member of da Fiesty Fan Club, >:o): Wooooooooooooooof
Much Love, Bright Blessings, and POPCORN!!
Da Pup
>:o): PuRrrRrRrrrrRrRrRrRrRrRrrrrrrr
Yup, still purring, must be the effects of that mental midget syndrome I'm alleged to suffer.hehehe
The right wing of the Republican Party were thrilled when their candidat won the first debate, but they can't accept that he did not win the second one. He still will not truly tell the voters what his platform is except that he will do better than the President. Trust him. Why?
Watching Obama need the help of the moderator to limp through a debate! Makes it plain that he is not capable of managing a country.... wait wait.. that is self evident, with the way things are atm..
Obama 2012 Cradle to the Grave ! Give me your Money Give me your Freedoms ! <admitted to the 2nd one>
Great job, Mr. President.
4 more for 44
Obama Biden 2012
Common Jen, you mean to say your boss for another 2 weeks.
GBM, Feisty, let's add another $1.00 donation to the Obama campaign for every right-winger claiming we work for either the White House or MSNBC.
LOL Jody!
That could get pricey! ☺
Adelson couldn't foot that bill, and that dude is rich.
But 44% of Obama's money is coming from women. You are already voting with your pocketbooks.
And remember, this is what they think of women.
Republican Women vs. Democratic Women - Funny Pictures
ROMNEY/RYAN ON 11/6/12..........AND IN A LANDSLIDE!
Rasmussen Reports Daily Presidential Tracking Polls Wednesday report on October 17, 2012 indicates GOP presidential challenger Mitt Romney is still currently supported by 49% of voters throughout the United States and President Barack Obama is attracting 48% of Americans voters support him. Additionally, the daily tracking poll reveals that 1% prefer some other candidate while 2% are yet undecided.
Immediately after the debate, Bill Clinton called Mitt Romney wanting to know where he could find one of those "binders full of women."
http://bindersfullofwomen.tumblr.com/
Sure, because 48% to 49% is really a "landslide". FAIL
That binder full of women could be the deciding factor in this years election. ps, where is that binder?
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious.
But it cannot survive treason from within.
An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner
openly.
But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly
whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government
itself.
For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to
his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the
baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.
He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.
A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."
Marcus Tullius Cicero
Heck, Jody, if you've got plenty of cash to donate, I might just go ahead and accuse you and Feisty myself! ;) haha
My personal feeling is that our presidency should not be decided on the basis of which candidate raises and spends the most money. It's a vicious cycle that I refuse to get sucked into (except when the bait of winning dinner at Clooney's house was on the line.)
yes a 4 year old will still be paying Obama at 44 you are so right.
Romney
Obama not being able to limp through a debate or answer questions for that matter without the help from a moderator,... then at one point LYING so the moderator had to lie too... like watching a coach throwing in the towel when his prize fighter is losing... sad sad sad
Obama 2012 Cradle to the Grave ! Give me your money Give me your Freedoms ! <admitted to the 2nd one>
According to nonpartisan Massachusetts and Budget Center's Sept 3, 2006 report:
Last night's debate was pretty entertaining, but there was one moment that told us everything we need to know about the entire campaign. The moment that had me sitting bolt upright in my seat is right here; http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/obama----and-the-moderator----call-romney-out-for-libya-falsehood.php
It matters not whether Mr. Romney was willfully lying or if he was just working from the certitude of one who lives entirely within the universe of Conservative propaganda--and he is such a magnificently skilled liar we will never know. What matters here is how the events unfolded. First, obviously, Romney repeated one of the many whoppers generated on a daily basis within the Ministry of Conservative Propaganda.
Mr. Obama did what responsible debate opponents do, he pointed out the falsehood. We already know that Mitt doubled down on the falsehood, demonstrating one of his biggest weaknesses. Once he knew how he wanted to proceed he ignored all outside cues to his own error. The Republican candidate is completely unable to absorb new information and adjust on the fly because he's "the boss" and the rest of us are "you people."
And so the President of the United States, having been dismissed as "the help" demonstrated the strength of his own character and intellect. With a gentle wave of his hand and a look that said "well, OK then" he casually stated "please proceed." With that Mr. Obama set a trap for Mr. Romney's own making and watched his opponent walk into it head up.
With the vicious look of the vulture capitalist about to eviscerate an underling for saying something unwise in a meeting Willard demonstrated his own incompetence. I've seen that look...it's reserved for people of lower rank who speak in meetings without having their facts in order, and good leaders use it sparingly. Instead the king of takeovers and cutting jobs treated the leader of the Free World with contempt and derision, demonstrating how he feels for the rest of us.
Then the Fourth Estate did its job, and I thank Candy Crowley for that. By briefly and calmly stating the facts she demonstrated the leader of the GOP to be spectacularly wrong, and impotently angry.
How is Conservativeland reacting this morning? A quick check of "the Google" will demonstrate that overnight the Ministry of Propaganda hasn't slept. Instead they've doubled down on the lie, determined to flood the internet with insistence that Romney spoke the truth. It is the Big Lie demonstrated in real time.
The Right doesn't concede a single point, not even when they are obviously and spectacularly wrong. Instead they insist that up is down, day is night, wrong is right.
That's all you need to know about the election, everything encapsulated in one moment.
John,
Excellent insight.
Romney is for the first time in his life not going to get what he wants!!!
bubblegum!
sorry
JohnB....great post
to add to Northstar's Romney is for the first time in his life not going to get what he wants!!!
Not by bullying or trying to buying it either.
Ol Mittens and Queen Ann can spend the rest of their days riding up and down in their car elevator each yelling "Its Our Turn"
John B, well said, thanks.
Romney has blame, insinuation, and little else. Romney pushed his luck too far on the "intentional mislead" insinuation, and the President let him have it.
Meanwhile, Romney completely messed up his foreign tour, and peed off a remarkable number of people for such a short trip.
John B - Listen, watch and read: #transcript -
The only mention Obama made about terror attacks was at the end of the speech in summation after talking about 9/11/01, Iraq, Afghanistan. Obama went on the View and Letterman and never said this was a terror attack - Susan Rice went on talk shows talking about a youtube video - she never mentioned this as a terror attack. As late as Sept. 25, Obama at the UN 6 times referred to respect for all faiths and never stated this was a terror attack.
Candy Crowley had to back track today. She got it wrong - horribly wrong. Question is, is the administration knowingly covering up the Benghazi incident or is it just extreme incompetence?
The facts are clear in the transcripts and videos.
Paragraph 4 - he clearly does not label this as a terror attack. Paragraph 10 - summation of 4 - 9 and he doesn't label this attack specifically as a terrorist attack. www.whitehouse.gov press releases for September 12, 2012 and September 25, 2012 UN comments. This site won't allow posting of the direct link.
Obama transcript from the UN:
Bravo, John B, excellent post.
That look in Romney's eyes revealed the cold, calculating Bain Capital CEO ready for the kill; the CEO who ordered workers to build a stage for him to speak and when he arrived, Mitt fired everyone. President Obama's response was cool, calm and "check the transcript" which, as you said, the professional journalist did just that while Mitt, the bully, withered away and wimpered.
That one moment last night revealed another Romney problem. When one believes his own political spin, his own lies, he cannot see the looming pitfalls when said spin and lies are proved wrong.
Oh, look, here's Milford repeating the right-wing spin from Google that John B mentioned. Hey, Milford, try looking at the actual 9/12/12 video of President Obama's address to the country: "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today, we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done...."
John B - kudos!!
Jody, Milford is using the Chinese version of Google, which oddly, is the version approved for use the Right Wing. The more Romney speaks, the more I am convinced that Romney is the Chinese approved version of a presidential candidate.
Obama did nothing but play to the lowest most base emotions of people just as a con-man does. Attacking his adversary while dodging questions and praising the crowd he is hoping to hustle. On issues of importance he still has no substance and everyone who isn't a party-owned sheep knows it.
"Mitt Romney was seen as better able to handle the economy, taxes, and the budget deficit among the debate audience, but it seems that issues were trumped, or at least blunted, by intangibles, including the expectations game," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.
By a 49%-35% margin, debate watchers thought that Obama spent more time attacking his opponent. The president was expected to be more forceful in attacking Romney following his lackluster performance in the first presidential debate in Denver two weeks ago.
Other questions showed little daylight between the two candidates among debate watchers on some key characteristics. Romney had a 49%-46% edge on which candidate seemed to be the stronger leader and 45%-43% margin on who answered questions more directly, while Obama had a 44%-40% advantage on which man seemed to care more about the audience members who asked questions."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/16/breaking-cnn-poll-obama-edges-romney-in-debate/?hpt=hp_bn3
I'm going to watch the debate online tonight. I only heard about the last half hour on the radio driving home. I did hear the best part, though!
And -- and that is part of what's at stake in this election. There's a fundamentally different vision about how we move our country forward.
I believe Governor Romney is a good man. Loves his family, cares about his faith. But I also believe that when he said behind closed doors that 47 percent of the country considered themselves victims who refuse personal responsibility, think about who he was talking about.
Folks on Social Security who've worked all their lives. Veterans who've sacrificed for this country. Students who are out there trying to hopefully advance their own dreams, but also this country's dreams. Soldiers who are overseas fighting for us right now. People who are working hard every day, paying payroll tax, gas taxes, but don't make enough income.
Yes, the facts are clear in the transcripts and videos.
Conservatives are twisting the words of the Commander in Chief to make cheap political points from the deaths of Americans who gave their lives in service to their country.
Shame on you.
Robme flubbed the Benghazi thing. Them pesky facts!
Where does his real loyalty lie?
Robme signed the pledge to Emperor Norquist.
Bain Capital flew the Chinese flag in Illinois.
Robme does not have any loyalty to the United States of America.
Romney Ignores Bainport While Trying to Take Back 47% Comments
Jody,
This not going to fly, after a month, now they want us to believe that the President said it was a terrorist attach in his rose garden speech. If that's the cast why would he have gone off to a fundraiser? Its a no win for Obama.
Its all about the time line, check it out.
Monies
Right on the money, the right never concedes anything, this is why l was unhappy with Big Ed. Schulz and talkative motor mouth, Chris Matthew who conceded 2 weeks ago before any right winger claimed victory that Mitt. bested our President. Once they saw what the left, did, they not only claimed victory, they started to insult the President, former New Hampshire gov. went as far as calling the President inept and lazy. The left would have mitigated the damage by claiming and insisting that Mitt. is a compulsive liar. But that's a moot point now the chicken has himself come home to roust. As they say, all days for the thieve and one day for the owner is very apt here. Mitt. got caught in his lie finally as pointed out by Ms. Crowley and he sprinted out of the arena at the end of the debate as fast as his legs would carry him so that he does not have to answer reporters questions. Mitt. is finally toast. His lies finally came home to roast.
Unac Boston> Lets see now Mitt and Republicans are liars ? Stop watching MSNBC and NBC and maybe you will have a clue as to who is lying. After Obama got his clock cleaned in the first debate, the Democrats and MSNBC, NBC and left wing media outlets had nothing they could say or do, but say liar, liar pants on fire for weeks in response to Obamas poor debate performance. The truth is Obama looked bad because he had no answer for real facts and the truth, the middle class has been buried over the last four years, none are better off, gas prices are high, groceries cost more, and Mr.Obamas policies haven't worked and neither has Mr.Obama worked the last 2 years as President, he's been too busy Golfing, Vacationing and Campaigning. Obamas biggest lies last night were about oil drilling and coal, he said 4 years ago he's be happy if gas goes to $6.00 a gallon (he's almost there) and he also said he's bankrupt the coal industry (He keeps trying). Mr.Obama did try to stop oil drilling on federal land, but he couldn't on public land, so his administration keeps trying to sue those that drill on public land to stop them also if they can. Look, let's face it, if we have four more years of the Obama administration the American Dream will turn into a tank of gas for the week and a meal for the day. Mitt Romney has done all that h says he'll do in business and as governor and Mitt has a list a mile long of completed successful accomplishments, he actually gets things done successfully, unlike the Obama administration.
OK so they are both politicians and thus full of hot air and lies.. We need a business mind in the White House because Mr. Obama is verified as not one in the least.. He gave billions of our tax dollars to GM and they still went bankrupt and the money they got went to build plants in China and Mexico.. Solindra and battery123 both went belly up and took the stimulus money with them.. The Wall St. bankers screwed us and Mr. Obama was one of the lawyers who opened the door to all those garbage loans that made Freddie and Fannie go belly up and cost us a trillion+ taxpayer dollars.. Handing out money in the billions and apologies to people who are slaves to the cult of Islam that hate us is a$$inane..
His speech about the Libya attack stated terrorism in general as an evil but blamed our right to free speech via a factual video as the fault for 2 weeks.. So all you little Obama minions start bitching now about what I said.. And the fat non White guy with the little glasses that has a racist news show says that if we don't reelect this will be the start of a race war worse than the civil war including terrorism as the Blacks will align themselves with the Muslims.... Threats from the Communists followers I presume............
Re the Benghazi RW talking point:
It is somewhat amazing to me that the hard core Romney supporters and/or paid RNC shills do not ever speak about the "division of labor" (Adam Smith anyone?) within the Executive branch. My amazement is that those same supporters tend to claim, Romney was a CEO, and is a businessman and should know how to run this country like a corporation.( Never mind the U.S. government is not/was not EVER designed BY THE FOUNDERS to be a corporation) If so, why don't the Romney supporters mention that Clinton as SOS, SHOULD have responsibility for her office(s) and the types of employees or security for them as she would if she were CFO, or COO of a corporation where Obama would be the CEO?
Sure, she/they (State Dept) needs to communicate with the President and keep him briefed, BUT how would Obama (CEO) making the day to day decisions for the SOS (CFO/COO) look to the very same critics? As I see it, this is a POLITICAL d***ed if you do, d***ed if you don't type of issue as far as President Obama and Hillary Clinton are concerned. It doesn't impact their ACTUAL work or job performance, just the political outlook of OTHERS re their job performance
thetotas, well, as that old saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Obviously you choose to ignore that those were the words of President Obama on 9/12/12, spoken in the Rose Garden for one reason: it doesn't fit your narrative. I watched that day in real-time; the video and the transcript are available. Use your head, NO ONE MADE UP this comment a month later. President Obama addressed the nation and that is what he said.
Ignorance is the result of refusing to believe the truth even when it is handed to one, on tape, in color, and in print.
President Obama gleefully 'owned' the murders of the US Embassy employees when he deliberately protected the murderers as legitimately enraged Muslims demonstrating against evil American liberty. President Obama took offense at the concept that he would politicize the murders of Embassy employees. President Obama's ability to fabricate, and testify falsely knows no bounds.
We remember your words and your conduct, regardless of your attempts to recreate your own history after the fact. ("The future must not belong to those who defame the prophet of Isam.' President Obama 9/25/12 before the General Assembly of The UN addressing the murder of the US Ambassador)
Sorry lillian, you're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. HERE is what the President said at the time and IN NO WAY does it legitimize the killings;
I'm sorry, the Big Lie doesn't work in a world connected by the Internet. If you can't argue based on facts you need to learn how to do so.
How many people on here knows someone out of work or looking for a better job?
Obama is the great Job killer tax cut my ass to small business I own 2 and I don't see it.
So, Johnny of Des Moines? I need to have you answer these questions, no spin. Why did Susan Rice go on the Sunday morning news programs and repeatedly call the attacks a result of a demonstration that stemmed from a youtube video? Why did your hero Barry go on The View 14 days after the attack and mention the YouTube video and reference the demonstrations 6 times?
Obama makes a vague reference to terror in the Rose Garden the day after the attack and Liberals spin that into an acknowledgement that he knew it was an attack by terrorists. Sorry, none of this administrations actions in the weeks following back that up.
in 2007 i had 15 full time workers and about 14 part time workers and now 4 part time.
What is so bad about the American dream MR president?
You cannot help the poor by beating down the rich.
and they dont even have enough money for your kind of spending.
Jody, the other thing the Rethuglicans don't understand is you can lead a horse to drink but you can't make him water.
Stupid Americans we can lie to them like Obama lied to them har har har ... aha ah ah.. Stupid Americans we lie to the all Month and still they no REMEMBER !
Obama 2012 Cradle to the Grave ! Give me your money Give me your Freedoms !
<admited to the 2nd one>
Ah, because there've been protests ALL OVER THE WORLD sparked by that video.
http://www.deadline.com/2012/10/protesters-google-london-headquarters-innoncence-of-muslims-removed-youtube/
http://www.ibtimes.com/%E2%80%98innocence-muslims%E2%80%99-protests-death-toll-rising-pakistan-794296
http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php/special-report/32179-peaceful-protests-against-innocence-of-muslims-subside
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/26/iran-will-boycott-oscars-to-protest-anti-muslim-video/
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/17/world/film-protests/index.html
http://silverchips.mbhs.edu/story/11733
http://mountiewire.com/innocence-of-muslims-video-sparks-riots-across-the-world/
So YES, the video was one of the multiple factors that had to be sorted through in the investigation of this attack. You still can't deny the words of President Obama;
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=obama+rose+garden+libya+statement&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D3Nu6VZ9DeVc&ei=ADJ_UL7lCIfe0gG_5YHAAQ&usg=AFQjCNELhT5P_Bf0GBfNE0OLkuJEmgXbwA
Romney's lie has been called...repeating it only makes you look ridiculous.
FZknew
But our government has to interact with them and be smart enough to see where risk is too high to put taxpayers money.. When our government started holding shares of private companies as collateral for loans we stepped over a boundary line and onto a slippery slope towards communism.. Or did you forget about the shares of auto and banking stock seems we are becoming a card holding corporation.. The commie in South America Hugo Chavez stated America is voluntarily turning socialist and laughed..
Roadrunnero
In the words of Andre the Giant in the movie Princess Bride, "I do not think that word means what you think it means".
Calling anything done in the recent 4 years "communism" has no basis in empirical eveidence. Communism as evinced by Marx, begins with the State CONTROLLING the means of production. Holding shares in a corporation, no matter what entity holds them, private or public, is PURE Capitalism. In case you think that is going around your point, would you call Public pension funds holding sahres in privbate corporations communist? NO, it is capitalism at its finest.
Corporations are chartered by the government, and are supposed to play by a set of rules agreed to by the owners of the corporation. When regulations become so lax or the revolving door between those who regulate (governemnt agencies) and those industries which are regulated , then the "arms length" appearance is broken and what you have is a failing corporate system. I would submit that failing si the fault of ALL of us, "we the people" whom have failed our system with apathy and infighting.
Socialism has many meanings, but I'll go with this definition (sorry wikipedia) and for purposes of our discussion drill down to this phrase:
BTW, Hugo Chavez would be considered a Revolutionary socialist.
Since President Obama has never advocated nationalising our industries, and in fact, is 100% corporatist (as evidenced by his not including a "public option" in the landmark ACA act [Obamacare]), I will work on the last piece of this, democratic socialism.
in fact, some of the concepts that the Founders advocated are directly related to democratic socialism. ("we the people"; "in order to form a more perfect union"; "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed". PURE democratic socialism.
in the aftermath of the largest corporate takeover of goverment before this current one, "the roaring twenties or Guilded age" the people of the US, led by FDR, declared socialism alive and well by creating what would eventually become Social Security. Ask yourself what happened from 1936 to 1976- the United States led the world and grew the largest economy ever seen in the history of Earth.
I would submit, that the way the US is configured, that a healthy deployment of democratic socialism is required for the current capitalist system to work.
FROM: Obama a socialist, not even close. Written by Milos Forman the director of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" who grew up in Communist Czechoslovakia.
Mitt Romney's 'new math' for jobs plan doesn't add up
Posted by Glenn Kessler
"Let me tell you how I will create 12 million jobs when President Obama couldn't. First, my energy independence policy means more than 3 million new jobs, many of them in manufacturing. My tax reform plan to lower rates for the middle class and for small business creates 7 million more. And expanding trade, cracking down on China and improving job training takes us to over 12 million new jobs."
— Mitt Romney, "in his own words," in a campaign television ad
As we have noted before, the 12 million figure is not a bad bet by Romney. Moody's Analytics, in an August forecast, predicts 12 million jobs will be created by 2016, no matter who is president. And Macroeconomic Advisors in April also predicted a gain of 12.3 million jobs
In any case, four of Romney's top economic advisers — R. Glenn Hubbard (Dean of Columbia Business School), N. Gregory Mankiw (Harvard professor), John B. Taylor (Stanford professor) and Kevin A. Hassett (American Enterprise Institute scholar) — co-wrote a white paper that lays out the case that Romney's spending, tax and regulatory policies would yield a more robust recovery — adding 250,000 jobs a month — that would result in 12 million jobs over four years.
But the specifics — 7 million plus 3 million plus 2 million — mentioned by Romney in the ad are not in the white paper. So where did that come from?
We asked the Romney campaign, and the answer turns out to be: totally different studies … with completely different timelines.
For instance, the claim that 7 million jobs would be created from Romney's tax plan is a 10-year number, derived from a study written by John W. Diamond, a professor at Rice University.
For instance, the 3-million-jobs claim for Romney's energy policies appears largely based on a Citigroup Global Markets study that did not even evaluate Romney's policies. Instead, the report predicted 2.7 million to 3.6 million jobs would be created over the next eight years, largely because of trends and policies already adopted — including tougher fuel efficiency standards that Romney has criticized and suggested he would reverse.
The 2-million-jobs claim from cracking down on China is also very suspicious.
This figure comes from a 2011 International Trade Commission report, which estimated that there could be a gain of 2.1 million jobs if China stopped infringing on U.S. intellectual property rights. The estimate is highly conditional and pegged to the job market in 2011, when there was high unemployment. "It is unclear when China might implement the improvement in IPR protection envisioned in the analysis, and equally unclear whether the United States will face as much excess labor supply then as it does today," the report says.
The Romney campaign has already used this study, in a misleading way, to claim that Obama's China "policies cost us 2 million jobs." Now the campaign has just taken the same figure and credited the claimed job gain to itself, even though the report does not examine any of Romney's proposed policies
The Pinocchio Test
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/mitt-romneys-new-math-for-jobs-plan-doesnt-add-up/2012/10/15/fd1d1e1c-170f-11e2-a55c-39408fbe6a4b_blog.html?hpid=z3
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Damnation but Ol' Willard and Lil' Paulie keep tripping over these Numbers Problems. I thought that you'll Yahoo's told me these Guys were "Numbers Gurus". Absolutely the Best and Brightest at crunching numbers and crafting policy to come out just the way you'll say is the only way things can work out.
First these Two Amigos can't get a Debt/Deficit number to come out. It always adds to it rather than paying it down.
Then you'lls Little Buddies can't come up with a Tax Plan that doesn't raise mine and about 90% of Americans Taxes. Your Little Buddies might be going down but as sure as Little Green Apples mine is going up.
Then the Gruesome Twosome comes up with a Medicare Voucher System that is going to increase the cost to Seniors instead of decreasing it. Kinda defeats the purpose of trying to reform the system don't it?
Now these Yahoo's can't even get some Jobs Numbers to come out even though everybody agrees that they are going to improve no matter who is President. Heck even a fifth-grader ought to be able to make that one come out.
Sounds like to me you'll need to send the Hardy Boys back to School. H@ll even Jethro Bodine knew that naught from naught was naught.
Or as Billy Preston said
Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
You gotta have somethin'
If you wanna be with me
I'm not tryin' to be your hero
'Cause that zero is too cold for me, Brrr
I'm not tryin' to be your highness
'Cause that minus is too low to see, yeah
Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
And I'm not stuffin'
Believe you me
Don't you remember I told ya
I'm a soldier in the war on poverty, yeah
Yes, I am
IR--thanks for sharing this. I'm afraid that the debunking of Mitt's 12 million jobs lie will be lost in the post-debate coverage (since there are newer lies to debunk) but it is telling since it is his alleged reason to vote for him---he'll create jobs--and now we see he won't.
Howdy, Scarecrow!
This is SPOT on! Personally, anytime either one of the R$mney/Ryan crew starts talking about numbers, I give in to the impulse to cover my purse. They only know how to concentrate wealth to the few, the proud, the entitled. They have NO CLUE as to how to help the Middle Class or the struggling class.
Finally President Obama hit him with the 47% and it landed. Hard. No wonder R$mney hopped on his jet and high tailed it out of town. He no doubt had to wash the 'stench' of real hard workers from his lying eyes.
K.C. Ace my Dear Old Redneck Daddy used to say "A Democrat will take the loose change out of a fellows pockets but a Republican will take a fellow's folding money and then swear up and down he didn't do it and you must be mistaken for calling him out on it"
IR-
The Romney "Jobs" math is eerily similar to his "47%" math that took three entirely different "subsets" of people - Obama supporters, those who pay no federal income tax, and those on government assistance - and lumped them together into one homogeneous group.
If Reagan's trickle-down theory was "voodoo economics", I would call the Romney/Ryan approach "fantasy mathematics".
Paul Ryan - The Deficit? I Built That!
POLITIFACT.COM
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/16/fact-checking-town-hall-debate
CNN FACT CHECK
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/17/politics/fact-check-women-jobs/index.html
IR, true.
"Now these Yahoo's can't even get some Jobs Numbers to come out."
RomneyRyan: Number wonks, they are NOT.
Tis rather amusing to see that Jethro and Jethrine Bodine can balance a budget and add employment numbers faster than those
wankerswonkers Romney/Ryan.None of his numbers work out. This guy thinks 47% = 100%
That's why Wrongme is too stupid for the job.
Backhouse forgets that the devastating policies put in play by Clinton came to fruition during the Bush administration. Demanding and REQUIRING that banks make loans to people that were previously unqualified. The Y2K build-up helped boost the economy during Clintons administration, but the collapse occurred during Bushes time. You say Romney lies but you very conveniently omit lies by Obama about cutting the deficit in half, the Lybia debacle and the list goes on. If you want economic collapse, vote Obama. Doing the same thing for four more years is insane. I see people every day in my business who have no money or hope.
Speaking of citigroup; how about their "Plutonomy Report" which was given to shareholders in two parts in 2005 and 2006?
Everyone who knows or learned in college Economics that the rich get richer and the poor get screwed check this out- it is called the Plutonomy reports issued by citibank to certain shareholders first in 2005, the second in 2006. I downloaded the pdf since it is difficult to find it online.
http://rwer.wordpress.com/2010/11/11/citigroup-attempts-to-disappear-its-plutonomy-report-2/
Key segment:
The bold inside of the quotes is my emphasis
Clearly you understood your dear of redneck daddy. Take a look at the history of tax policy. It is them good 'ol southern democraps that will take you folding money and your house and the farm. Look at what LBJ did to social security to fund his war on poverty. You get any of all those other people's money LBJ stole? It is what the Dems do best, take from those who actually make a living to hand it to those who do nothing and thereby enslave them as surely as they did 200 years ago. And all the while you're they are doing you a favor. Pretty sad really, but then, why work when you can get "free" money. Free for you anyway. What you don't realize is SOMEONE has to pay the freight and it ain't "O" or his entitlement babies. See I learned long ago, there is no such thing as a free lunch. Something lost on the Dems as they just keep spending money we don"t have. And where are all the jobs "O" was going to create? No where, because government does not create jobs, business does. And as long as the threat of even higher taxes, and penalties exists, they won't be hiring in any great numbers. I submit that "O"'s numbers are skewed, numbers can be arranged in any way expedient to the situation. "O" can making things look good is a simple accounting trick. And these are same people who put Bernie Madoff in prison for running a PONZI scheme? Really? "O" has presided over the largest PONZI scheme the world has ever known and you brainwashed Brahmin think he's a saint. Pathetic. Clearly none of you have had any accounting experience. 16 trillion in debt and he just keeps spending? Seriously.
And the GOP has no lock on billionaires. Take of the "hope and change" glasses and look into the portfolios of your favorite CEO. Chances are real good they are a democrat like Gates or Buffet. Suffer no illusions, Buffet and company make a lot of noise about paying more, but they are hiding 100 fold in off shore and tax sheltered accounts, just like those awful republicans.
I have no respect for either party, haven't for decades. I voted for Kennedy simple because I thought he was the lesser of two evils. And my opinion hasn't changed. Nixon, while he was no worse than any politician of the time, his only mistake was getting caught doing what they all do, was a decent President. Clinton on the other hand, was the champion of accounting tricks and everyone thinks him a saint. The fact is, if he had done his job and taken out Bin Laden on the 6 occasions he appeared in the sights of a predator drone, the world trade center and all those lives would not have been lost.
ALL politicians are the same, If they're mouth is moving, they are lying to you. They are ALL liars, thieves, extortionists and con men, even the ones in skirts. If you think they care if you live or die, your delusional. We now have Democrats, Independents, Republicans and Tea party, now make an acronym and you get what they truly are,,,, D.I.R.T. So you will get exactly what you vote for. One the one hand, you have the poser in chief, on the other an unknown who may or may not improve the situation. For my part, I'll take the unknown verses the impotent poser who had zero experience from the start.
I don't know about any of you, but, he's had long enough to at Least start making improvements by working with those who actually create jobs rather than make threats of penalties to try to force them to his will.
To quote a serial liar:
"...Of Course They DO!" - Mitt R$mney, October 16, 2012
Still peddling that threadbare yarn, eh? It's been debunked enough times to become a fairytale.
Last night at the second debate, the nation saw a former governor and a venture capitalist try to answer a very legitimate question about immigration from a voter.
Romney got out his talking points and in mid stream, he pivoted and starting talking about the Chinese and mutual funds and the President ‘s pensions.
How bizarre!
When the President tried to respond Mr. Romney told him to “wait I am not finished and don’t interrupt”
Now Romney was both off base and off topic . It was like something in his brain brought up the flash card: Chinese companies and investments in mutual funds.
Was he just nervous or trying to get off the topic of immigration?
Or is Romney not all there?
This guy wants to be president.
Not a chance.
Northstar, so true, that was a really weird moment. Good description of it as a little flash card in Mitt's mind; as if he suddenly remembered where he left his car keys.
Nothstar - And yet Americans still know he is better than Obama.
Obama did nothing but play to the lowest most base emotions of people just as a con-man does. Attacking his adversary while dodging questions and praising the crowd he is hoping to hustle. On issues of importance he still has no substance and everyone who isn't a party-owned sheep knows it.
"Mitt Romney was seen as better able to handle the economy, taxes, and the budget deficit among the debate audience, but it seems that issues were trumped, or at least blunted, by intangibles, including the expectations game," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.
By a 49%-35% margin, debate watchers thought that Obama spent more time attacking his opponent. The president was expected to be more forceful in attacking Romney following his lackluster performance in the first presidential debate in Denver two weeks ago.
Other questions showed little daylight between the two candidates among debate watchers on some key characteristics. Romney had a 49%-46% edge on which candidate seemed to be the stronger leader and 45%-43% margin on who answered questions more directly, while Obama had a 44%-40% advantage on which man seemed to care more about the audience members who asked questions."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/16/breaking-cnn-poll-obama-edges-romney-in-debate/?hpt=hp_bn3
How is exporting American jobs better for America? Robme is a pioneer at doing just that.
How is Bain Capital flying the Chinese flag in Illinois while training Chinese to do those jobs good for America?
How is flying the Chinese flag on American soil being Patriotic?
Romney Ignores Bainport While Trying to Take Back 47% Comments
09, Ha, ha, ha, you guys really crack me up. In my mind it probably matters very little who gets the presidents job. But just to watch and hear a few more Republicans start screaming, Socialist, Marxist, Communist,Fascist,Kenyan,Liar and losing their minds in the process really has me hoping Obama wins.
Northstar, well said,
Romney relying on rote memorization = things get wierd.
Romney saying his 'tax code' will create jobs in China, India, etc, is also wierd.
Romney the pioneer & outsourcer-in-Chief will create jobs -- overseas.
Hooray for Socialism!!! Obama fights back!!
From Yesterday's FT-
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The loser's team will accuse the winner of the debate as being
1-A liar
2-Rude!
3-in "cahoots" with the moderator
4-Actually the winner when you consider...(place rationalization here)
Then it's on to the "ever tightening" race in the all important "swing states", and build up for the "all-important" 3rd and final debate...
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How'd I do?
4-Actually the winner when you consider...(place rationalization here ... when I take into account my gal scaring the dogs by yelling "he's down, kick him" ...)
You have summed it up beautifully as usual.
It is instructive to observe the reversal of rhetoric, and then read the "marching orders" from the respective team's personalized media, and note how closely they align...
Debate was probably worth around one point in the national polls for the incumbent, but more (and more important) with the constituencies that were obviously being targeted; Women, Latinos, and the young...
I'll take that 1 point for the Pres. nationally and hope for a 2 point gain in the Swing State - Allowing him to win five of them by single digits. The President helped in the constituencies he needed.
Interesting to note, Obama wins the election if he wins any 5 of the 9 swing states. Romney still has a tough route.
I think Obama wins 6 - New Hampshire, Colorado, Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio, Nevada. (290) Even if he loses Ohio he would win with 272. My prediction throughout the summer has been Obama winning by 277 - 285, to make that true switch out Virginia for Obama, Ohio for Romney to get to 285.
I loved it when obama claimed to be jesus last night when he said he visited that guy in the hospital who had been shot in the head and he said a prayer and 2 weeks later obama saw the guy and he was fine ,healed walking around like nothing happened.Must have been a prayer from obama's koran.
Cheers to Candy Crowley for doing a great job moderating last night's debate and for not being a "potted plant".
Mitt Romney, the Snake Oil Salesman with the Cheshire Cat Smile. Last night, the flash and pomp of Mitt Romney was revealed to be just that--all flash and pomp but little else. Time after time, Romney's plans and previous statements plus his multiple reversals were revealed by President Obama as nothing more than a lot of talk and no substance. Romney came across as arrogant, petulant, disrespectful, spoiled and once again showed viewers what a whiner Romney is when he does not get his way. At one point his demand to get the last word was nothing short of a 5-year old stamping his foot.
President Obama took the robotic, pre-programmed Mitt Romney apart piece by piece. He commanded the room, he did not allow Romney to bully the room, he gave Romney a taste of his own lies as Obama hurled them back at Romney to defend.
Romney's behavior in this debate was no different than it was during the first debate. The difference was that President Obama did not allow the repeated lies, the multiple choice positions, the flip flops of Mitt to go unmentioned or unchallenged. This viewer lost track of the number of times President Obama said "not true" and proceeded to explain why it was "not true".
Romney lied in the second debate as much as the first. One lie was his claim that he did not say the Arizona "papers please" law should be the model for the country--it's on tape, and there's no mention of "E-Verify" when he said it. President Obama tangled Mitt Romney in Mitt's own web of words.
Romney answered the question directed to him about his immigration reform plans with accusations that President Obama has not done immigration reform but Mitt failed to actually present his own then tried to provide a plan in his rebuttal to President Obama. This is what happens to a presidential candidate who campaigns strictly against the policies of an incumbent president without ever providing voters with a plan of his own--Romney was reduced to a series of his own talking points and flip flops.
Romney spouted his memorized answers, some from his stump speech but he did not answer what deductions he would eliminate, he did not answer any questions with specifics or details. Romney's 5-point Plan is the exact same George W. Bush 5-point plan in a different order. Romney's promise that he won't cut taxes on the wealthy was the same promise George W. Bush made; apparently Mitt & George are two peas in a pod. President Obama reduced Romney's 5-point plan to a 1-point plan and tied Bush 43 around Romney's neck in the process.
Romney answered the "fair pay" question with a word salad that gave us "binders full of women" and once he creates all those millions of jobs, employers will have to hire women. Have to hire women?
Many times viewers watched Mitt Romney respond to a question then get lost in his own weeds and veer off into something totally irrelevant to the question.
Romney accused President Obama of being on fund raisers after the Benghazi attack when, in fact, President Obama spoke from the Rose Garden that day. Romney had egg on his face when he repeated the right-wing lie that President Obama did not acknowledge it was a terrorist attack for 14 days, when the video clips from the Rose Garden address counter that false accusation (cheers to Candy Crowley for confirming it). For the conservatively impaired, these were the words spoken by President Obama: "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four ore Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done...."
There were too many great moments for President Obama for me to choose a favorite. One was when President Obama took full responsibility for the Benghazi attack; he did not allow Hillary Clinton or Susan Rice to be blamed; he defended both and praised both. That is what a President does. President Obama's response to Romney and the GOP's politicizing of the four deaths in Libya was masterful, powerful. A steel-eyed Obama looked directly into Romney's eyes and responded: "The suggestion that anybody in my team, whether the Secretary of State, our UN Ambassador, anybody on my team would play politics or mislead when we have lost four of our own, governor, is offensive. That's not what we do, that's not what I do as president, that's not what I do as commander-in-chief." Powerful that tragic September day and powerful last night.
President Obama had the last word; his response to the question was presidential, honest, heartfelt and left Mitt Romney wondering what day it was because Mitt's own 100% reversal was thrown back in his face with President Obama's reminder of Romney's real views of 47% of Americans.
Never underestimate Barack Obama.
Romney and his woman had to leave early to go home and cook, sent me through the roof.
This is not the 1960's Governor!!!
Former Governor Romney showed his age, because in today's America women and men share household chores.
My favorite moment was when President Obama called out R$mney on his skill at investing - and then alluded that R$mney wouldn't 'invest' in his own plan cuz' it was SKETCHY!
and then President Obama looked to the audience and to camera and (paraphrased) said, "And neither should you, (sic. the American people) buy into it!"
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Jody, a superb analysis. Many in our media could use your skills in this department, congratulations, really well done.
Jody -
Great analysis. I only caught the last half of the debate, but I plan on watching it on my DVR tonight.
I have been "off the board" for almost a week, my mother passed away unexpectedly last Tuesday (on my birthday!). One of the things I have missed the most was your insightful commentary.
Keep it coming!
TNSEVOL---so sorry to hear of your mom's passing--my sympathies to y