First comment out of the door for Mitt …

“I’m all for Pell grants!”

BS!

One standout feature of the Romney-endorsed Ryan budget is that it would deliver the biggest reductions to funding of Pell grants in the history of the program. According to one newspaper, “the popular federal Pell Grant tuition program, vastly expanded under President Obama, would take a big hit under thefar-reaching fiscal 2012 Republican budget blueprint released Tuesday by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan.

http://www.prioritiesusaaction.org/mitt-romneys-america

Sorry little lying Mittens ... you don't get to speak something one day and call it okay the next!

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Manufacturing Jobs …

Mr. Romney said we have lost over half a million manufacturing jobs under President Obama.

Here are some sobering facts.

In Jan 2009 we had 12.6 million manufacturing jobs and that dropped to 11.5 million over the next year only to increase to 12.0 million in August 2012. That was the largest increase since 1997.

Jan 2001 we had 17.1 million manufacturing jobs and we lost jobs every year. By Jan 2009 we had lost 4.5 million manufacturing jobs in just 8 years. That is over half a million every year!!

Point of reference – in 1980 we had 19 million manufacturing jobs. Where did they all go?

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES3000000001?data_tool=XGtable

Romney's version of auto bankruptcy was to let the private sector buy up the pieces at bargain prices, but at the time no one was lending money for such risky ventures. Ford would have been the only American car company left if Romney had been in charge.

Dennis,

Those jobs, along with whole factories, were shipped to China by Romney and his ilk, 1%ers all.

Layton: does Mitty think that people won't check?

Chuck Todd. Boy oh boy.

President Obama handled each and every one of Romney's lies. That's what debates are about. Dismantling the lies.

When professional journalists have to tweet that Romney can't handle himself well in front of regular people, then Houston there's a problem with the candidate.

A real problem.

I think part of Romney's problem is that he is personally clueless. His campaign people have made clever selections or data, quotes and many other things and then using them out off context, misrepresenting them to make negative claims. I seriously doubt that Romney even knows this and thinks the BS is true.

Here's a guy how has never done a lick of work in his life. I believe even in his business career, he's used the work of flunkies to accomplish his successes, taking credit for them and then likewise enjoyed firing them when "they were the one's responsible" for his failures!

Best quote of the night: "Of course the numbers add up, I was someone who ran businesses for 25 years." So because the arrogant SOB say it adds up we should believe him? How dare Candy question his credibility? Well, I guess that settles it. Except for one little minor problem. Seems quite a few of Romney's businesses failed.

"A reportfrom The Wall Street Journal found that about 22 percent of Bain's companies either filed for bankruptcy or liquidated within eight years after the private-equity firm acquired them."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204331304577140850713493694.html

Pat:

You are absolutely right on. Chuck Todd has lost all journalistic integrity and he should be cvalled on it.

BTW: Good to see you up tonight. We Dems can rest a little easier.

MYTH got the piss knocked out of him! He just keep getting up in President Obama's face only to get knocked out.

The way MYTH abused Candy Crawely if any woman hasn't made her mind up by now she had to have slept through the debate.

Presidential Election Winner

Barack Obama

65.1%

Mitt Romney

35.2%

http://www.intrade.com/v4/misc/scoreboard/

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Layton: does Mitty think that people won't check?

Actually his campaign knows that most won't. You know how many times Romney has 'bent' the truth while on a big stage (ie, debates, speeches, etc) only to have his campaign put out a release saying 'no, he misspoke'. But the damage is done and they don't care. The majority of the people who hear it the first time never hear the walk-back or read fact-checkers. If they did, Romney wouldn't have as many potential votes.

sreeeeminglib

Loved how Candy Crawly fact checked ol Mittens on whether or not the
President mentioned the Benghazi attacks as an act of terror on September 12.
AND HE DID!

sreeeeminglib

Will MYTH check out that Benghazi transcript from the Rose Garden now? Shame on that @!$%#in, liar for politicizing the death of Americans. Why the @!$%# did Myth even call a press conference? He is not the president and never will be. Will MYTH show up for the foreign policy debate??? LOL, LOL, LOL

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Layton: does Mitty think that people won't check?

I think he is counting on those that don't!

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I love the mindless "Romney won" crowd, visible on every site. He could have collapsed and died in the first ten seconds, these poor slobs would be dancing around their parents' basement apartment, cheering a victory.

In fact, every expert is saying that Romney appeared dazed and unsteady after he lined up for the kill with his "for the record remark" and the reptilian stare aimed at the President, only to be told he was in error. Shortly thereafter, the world was treated to the spectacle of a trembling civilian being dressed down by the leader of the free world on national television. A beautiful thing, and hopefully akin to George Romney's "brainwashed" moment, in the long run.

dsb: I suppose you may be right. Very easy thing to verify and people should.

sreeeeminglib

How wonderful of you to ignore the remainder of my post. It's a common failure of yours to address context. And you consider addressing the entirety of a situation spin...why am I not surprised?

Changed my avatar to "Angry Mitt" in honor of the Presidential spanking he received tonight. This picture was taken during the debate. The Bully was spanked tonight. Thank goodness for America. Women moderators rule! Men moderators drool! Obama/Biden 2012.

Screaming Lib----Right on, with the Spin,Spin,Spin, by Beeezlemaestro.....

Beee-Esssss-Maestro= GOP blog spindoctor=Paid GOP B.S. Spewer=You know B.S. song conducter/maestro

Or Beezlemaestro however you spell it.....

Fox News Bob----Post 1.25 above...Candy Crowley is biased because to a Foxy Real American the truth and video backed up truth is bias.....Because Fox doesn't show that clip of the video it doesn't exist....Hence the proverbial bubble they( Fox Viewers ) live in...

sw philly

Can you than explain to me why she said Romney as president is a "Death Wish" for America???

Dewbe,

Candy retracted? I don't think so. This just in, the latest CNN transcript of here post debate comments on the topic.

O'BRIEN: Very, very interesting, I though. You told everybody at the beginning there's no clapping, turn off your BlackBerrys, turn off your cell phones. There was a moment when people clapped. Actually sort of two moments under the same question, which is about Libya. They were just talking about it, Wolf and Anderson, just a moment ago. And it was when the president said that he stood in the Rose Garden and said this was an act of terror, and the actually quote that he said on that day, the day after the act was, "no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation," and went on from there.

In a way you had to fact-check on both sides.

CROWLEY: Right. Well, I knew that the president has said act of terror, because this has kind of come up before, and also I heard him that day. And what Mitt Romney was going for, and I think where he tripped himself up was that he picked that one wrong fact. The president did call it or refer to it in some ways an act of terror, and so it felt as though - and the president kept looking at me going, you know, and I thought, well, I did know then, I said, you know, he did call it an act of terror. That's what caused the applause.

O'BRIEN: But then this side over here –

CROWLEY: Right. On this side over here, which is clearly the –

O'BRIEN: Then you fact-checked again.

CROWLEY: And then I said, but you are correct that they didn't know for a couple of weeks that it wasn't related to the tape and there was no riot outside the consulate, so - and that side of the room clapped.

(CROSSTALK)

CROWLEY: I wasn't trying to get them to clap, I was trying to sort of - you know, bring some kind of clarity to the conversation.

So that's a retraction? Dewbe, maybe you've had one too many doobies tonight. Or did you watch some butchered up version of it on Fox?

Romney did say the auto companies should go through what’s called a “managed bankruptcy,” where the companies would get help from private investors but not taxpayers’ money.

Yeah Private investors like Bain capital lmfao zrombie got his ass tonight

Layton-3733410

First comment out of the door for Mitt …

“I’m all for Pell grants!”

Actually, Romney is for Pell grants! You know, the kind where you ask mom and dad for the money. He just didn't finish explaining what his version of Pell Grants really is. So give the guy a break, "pell" "Mom & Dad" It's all the same to ole Mitt.....

No JK1963,

You meant LIAR, FLIP FLOPPER, ETCH-a Sketch....

For me personally, Romney addressed the important issues. Granted, I don't really like either candidate, I feel America can do better. I am an American small businessman, and have seen over regulation, over taxation, and foreign currency manipulation create a disadvantage in the domestic market. In the last almost 4 years, President Obama hasn't been able to address my concerns, instead he spent his political capital on Obamacare, which most people I know, either don't want it, don't understand it, or don't know what's in it. What we do know is, lower paying jobs, and part time jobs are increasing, but the good jobs have gone elsewhere, so, employment numbers are tainted, the rust belt has just got more vacant, and more rustier. We see this President as not enforcing currency manipulation agreements, which puts American business at a disadvantage, and could allow for trade tariffs to those who compete in our domestic markets, to an advantage by making our products less competitive. We see a corporate tax rate, the highest in the world, which creates a disadvantage to those who would produce goods and services domestically, but are encouraged to do so elsewhere. We see government regulations that some are to our benefit, but are over regulated, creating a increased cost to do business in the US. All these things, move the good jobs overseas, it is a no-brainer to think any business would be attracted to stay in a non profitable location, so, they leave our country. As President Clinton once was quoted, 'It's all about the economy', and it is. If President Obama had addressed the domestic economy when he had the Super Majority in the House and Senate, instead of social issues, then once the economy was fixed, addressed his social issues, it would be much easier to swallow. Instead, he wanted to do what lawyers like to do, and make more laws. We don't need more laws, what we need is more business, so, it is in order to hire a businessman.

want to know who won the debate? check this picture!

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1000 words..

Isn't it funny how Mitt, the Twitt in this debate tonight claims that he cares very much about 100% of the people, after getting caught a few weeks ago with his pants down saying that he didn't care about the 47% when he thought that he was holding a private discussion??? LOL!!!!!!! He just proved that he is a lying flip-flopping flaming J.A., who thinks he is God's gift to this planet. What amazes me is the fact of any subservient woman could support this most UN-Christian like person for a President. And he says that he was a Pastor as if that will make him a great warlord Gestapo President just as Bush thought. Anyone ready for more wars when Romney's temper flares up if elected? Just send Romney/Ryan and the GOP over there to do the fighting with their own paycheck. For those of you, who don't know by now as to who to vote for, stop being so ignorant, seeking fame in the public limelight, and acting blindly when you do decide to vote.

I wish the President would have used a few better. harsher words. Instead of saying "that's not true" say "Mitt quit lying to the American people" .

Independent the 47% comment by Obama was a thumbs down by the undecided, the people both candidates need to attract to win.

Also find some better fact checker. I looked at the Yahoo fact checking this morning. Tis better than most, but still errors because of personal opinions of what the complete facts really are.

How nice of Mitt to care about the fact that middle class families lost 4.3k. How much has the median income of the average worker gone up versus the top 1% since Reagan? NONE, while the top 1% has gone up by over 120% during the same period of time. How much have we the middle class have lost over all those years? Since the median was 50k EACH HOUSEHOLD WOULD HAVE 110K INSTEAD. I wonder if our economy would be in trouble if EACH household was making 110k every year? Would middle class families be struggling to get by? Would they need help or handouts from the government? NO they would not.

Has the President been able to implement his policy of higher taxes on the rich? What effect would that have if he did? Would it have lowered the debt you cry about by increasing revenue? Yes it would have. We would not have needed to borrow as much. Had business owners not flipped out and made things worse would thing be as bad as they are? NO, they would not.

80+% of Mitt's income and others at the top comes from investments that only capital gains can tax. I wonder why he does not what to change it... Going to close loopholes my a$$. That is a huge gapping hole right there.

Thanks for explaining to me how you are going to pay for all those magic tax cuts you want. Most here did not understand it and you managed to slip it past them, but I caught it. You noticed how he talked about a "bucket" that you could use for whatever deduction you wanted to use and he gave that bucket a "size" or "limit". Meaning if you go over the limit you are hosed/screwed and cannot use any other deductions EVEN if you would have be eligible for them before. It is just like an insurance plan. Once you use up your coverage for the year you are done. Therefore, he will raise taxes on the middle class since you will not be able to use/take as many deductions as before. It is the only way he can pay for his magic tax plan. He will force the people that he thinks are freeloaders and do not pay taxes to actually "pay their fair share", that will fix the economy is his opinion...

Instead of China you are going to outsource to Latin America instead... What are the Chinese finally expecting to be paid a fair wage too? Are they starting to worry about environmental concerns and pollution? Need some new countries like always I see. What happens when you run out of new countries to ship jobs/factories to ALL in the hunt for cheap labor. When you have redistributed all of America's wealth to other countries? If only you were willing to give up a portion of your wealth I might actually buy into the whole ex-drug dealer gone straight thing you are trying to pull/portray. Until then you are just another B.S.er looking for votes.

Am I the only one that remembers the BP spill in the gulf? Was to many regulations the problem or to little? What does Mitt want ANOTHER BP type of spill? How many oil wells does he want to drill and in how many states? They still have not cleaned up all of that oil from the gulf spill, WTF is wrong with you? How can you call yourself a follower of God when you treat the planet he left us in charge of like chit? And all for money of all f***ing things, something that we humans created. Just like that golden calf we created huh?

Why did you not give a chit about the president lying before Osama was killed? You know a comedian made a joke about it and he laughed it off like it was nothing and knew nothing about the upcoming mission. Let me guess it was ok to lie then huh? If this is your main talking point save your breath...

Oh, one last thing before I go. How can Mitt talk about family values and how good it is to have a two person family with one of the parents being able to stay home to take care of the children all while having unemployment below 5%. If we consider that most Americans only work for 47 years on average (18-65) and it takes 18 years to raise a child. 47 divided by 18 equals 2.61, let us round to make life easy and figure 1/3 of the possible working women (just for example) are busy raising their children at any given time instead of working. That is 1/6 the workforce then or 16.6%. How can you have unemployment at or below 5% and still keep one parent at home? Or is that more magic math since they are "not looking for work".

Everytime Romney says "100%", you know he means 53%. Notice how Ryan and Romney will say 100% over and over. They want to erase that 47%, because Wrongme got caught on tape revealing his true feelings.

Well, Willard, I take responsibility for myself, I pay Federal taxes (although less than before Obama gave us the tax breaks), I have been working steadily, paying into SS and Medicare, and I am voting to re-elect the president.

Etch-a-Sketch Romney: "I can say anything or be anything you want, until I get elected Then you can watch me change again".

Gas prices... How about those sanctions on Iran. I wonder what effect that has had on the supply of oil and its price? I wonder if the election has anything to do with the price either... Just like all those letters crazed CEO's are sending out, scared their precious tax cuts will come to an end...

Alright enough, moderation :).

Obama took a page out of the Biden debate playbook and just flat out lied. Obama lied about the oil and gas permits, which fact checkers state have been cut by more then 50%. Obama lied that he called the attack in Libya an act of terrorism. Both Obama and our UN Ambassador went out days later claiming it was a spontaneous event fueled by a video. The moderator was clearly an Obama supporter as her claim on Libya was wrong, and nothing but an attempt to help the president with another failure. Obama simply had no defense for where the nation is right now, and the polls in the coming days will reflect further gains for Romney.

Liberals wouldn't know the TRUTH if it smacked them in the head!

Obama LIED through his teeth last night!

Obama flat out LIED to Americans about Libya last night and Candy tried to bail him out!

SHAMEFUL!

Gas prices are governed by 3 main factors: Global demand, Oil companies (private or state owned), and Speculators (Wall street uses letters of special permission issued during the Reagan administration, by the commerce department, to increase the volume of speculation in the oil market, driving up the price and profit wordwide.)

The President of the US has very little influence on the price of oil, or gas at the pump. One single oil company closing one single refinery for maintenance has more influence on the pump price than the President does. Oil from domestic sources does not in itself lower the per barrel price of oil, which is controled by the factors listed above.

For the people who like Mitt Romney's ideas, I present the Romney tax plan. See the below link:

http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

want to know who won the debate? check this picture!

Not according to the Fox and CBS focus group of undecides say Romney won.

Romney none-the-less took some bruises.

Funny how Senator Obama railed against Bush when the gas prices rose, but as president they are not his fault. Last night Obama claimed the price of gas when he took office was the result of the economic mess we were in, and since today we are worse off that argument doesn't pass the smell test.

Obama has no actual energy policy, and you can take him for his own words when he said under my plan energy rates will naturally skyrocket. Well rates have skyrocketed. Prices are also the result of Obama destabilizing the middle east, which is now as volatile as it has been in decades.

Obama also claims that we are now using oil and gas more efficiently, and going further on a gallon because of his policies. What a totally ridiculous attempt to snowball the American people. Oh yeah all our cars now magically get better mileage thanks to Obama. Funny how all the car advertising list miles per gallon on the highway which is not normal driving.

Romney laid out the Obama record, and it is pretty pathetic. Four more years of Obama and there will be nothing left but scraps.

Bob,

I understand the anger over the Moderators behavior, and it is fine to express the anger, but please keep it from being so personal!

She has done some backpedaling on the Embassy Bombing admitting that although Obama gave a statement on terrorism, the White House and he promoted the idea that the trailer (movie) was the cause of the attack for two weeks.

He did say let Detroit go bankrupt when they were asking for a loan and if not for the loan they would have been forced into liquidation. Anyone that still thinks Romney is on their side needs to watch this video. He has a view today that is different tomorrow. In other words he flip flops more than a fish out of water.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB1vu74c&feature=related

DB Akron

want to know who won the debate? check this picture!

Not according to the Fox and CBS focus group of undecides say Romney won.

Anyone can get a group of "undecided" voters and let them say anything they wish them to say. Something like "hey you group of Republicans...say you're undecided and tell us Romney won. OK??"

What's amazing is that anyone would believe anything that would come off the air from that propaganda station. Unbelievable.

Romney none-the-less took some bruises.

Starderup

I posted that using the 47% was a loser with the undecideds. Fox and CBS show and twitter feeds show that the line was a loser with the undecideds.

They want answers, not attacks.

This article tries to fairly make 2 fact checks but, failed. Notice this quote from it.

The president was referring to a newspaper piece Romney wrote back in 2008, but the governor never actually said, “Let Detroit go bankrupt.”

The New York Times wrote that headline, not Gov. Romney.

The above states that Romney WROTE and also TIMES wrote.

The 47% will not notice this. Also, Oboma did not say it was a terorists attack which the fat lady and Pres. stated.

Just facts people.

Beezle,

To ask a liberal to answer a question that will put their messiah in bad light will never happen.

The bottom line is this president and the administration did try to mislead the American people, they openly lied and blamed the attack on a movie that had nothing to do with the attacks that were pre-planned before the movie ever came out. And to happen on 9-11 it is real obvious that this was done because of the date and what it holds for us and the world. But to ask people who are delighted in their own blindness, following a president who has put us in more debt then the last 9 presidents combined, has thrown our allies under the bus to make him look tough on foreign policy, has made the largest tax increase in American history with Obama Care, and has forced his beliefs on groups that find his ideology against their moral conviction, gives a glimmer of what he would try if he did not have to worry about re-election the next four years.

The bottom line is history will judge this president as the worst in the history of this nation, and to be quite frank I do not understand the blind following he has.

DB,

CBS Flash poll: Obama 37%, Romney 30%, Tie 33%

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57533850/poll-obama-edges-romney-in-second-debate/?tag=MaxDeep

Bobster-1557895

Obviously Romeny did well enough to hold his big lead

What big lead are you talking about? ROFL

Bankrupt doesn't always mean closing the doors provided you file and not your creditors. If your creditors file, the bankruptcy was chapter 7 & almost always means liquidation.

GM was going to file Chapter 11, and actually still filed bankruptcy, but with a settlement brokered by the Federal government and funded by the Federal government.

If GM files for bankruptcy without the agreement, then the Unions would have received next to nothing for the unfunded pension liabilities. The Volt would have been cancelled or delayed. Yes, there would have been an issue about funding their recovery, but there was an agreement in December, vetoed by the Unions that would have elimitated the crushing debt that GM had accumulated. If the debt was eliminated, GM could have gotten funds from private sources PROVIDED their reorganization was judged to be acceptable.

Dennis.

The poll is all people who decide to take the poll. That includes partisans on both sides, independents and the undecideds. What this debate is for is the undecided and weakly decided voters. In that area of the four sources I have seen so far, Romney won the debate 3 - 1.

Most telling from the Fox (heard this over the radio) was one woman who said, I was undecided about whether I would vote for Romney, or not vote at all. This falls in line with something Dick Morris wrote recently. When you have an incumbent with less than 50% support, you already have the majority of voters that have decided they don't really want to vote for the Incumbent.

Mitt looked mean and nasty. If I had a daughter, I would warn her away from a man like that. He seems like he could get abusive.

On Energy, Obama stated correctly that Petroleum production is up, provided you have the current numbers which are not yet complete for 2012. Romney's staff missed that one, but they are correct about Natural Gas. Natural Gas Production and leasing is down 9% for gas and has not picked up as Obama said even with part-year 2012 statistics are used.

I don't think there was any clear winner. Obama couldn't have done WORSE than the first debate, so for just being awake, he is declared the winner? He did a lot a talking, but didn't say much, he had his usual lies and dodges too. When Romney would challenge him or about to make a pertinent point, Obama would be calling to Crowley to move on to the next question..and whining about time, time, time. When he actually spent more TIME than Romney did talking and they both butt in on one another. At one point it was Ronney's turn to answer, but Crowley gave it to Obama first. Clearly some bias going on there. As usual.

Crowley stopped out of her bounds when she bailed out Obama re his Rose Garden address. He DID NOT say Libya was a terrorist attack. He only said that we will not tolerate terrorist attacks. Then he goes for a least two weeks saying it was an out of control protest due to a video. So me may have said the word "terrorist", but what he did NOT say is that Bengazi was a terrorist, preplanned, attack. So Crowley was wrong in her comment, and she has since owned up to that fact that he didn't label Bengazi as being a terrorist attack.

These debates really do not matter. Even with the liberal media (the 5th column for Obama) helping him during the debates and with their slanted news, Obama has had a dismal 4 years. He has ole drunken Joe Biden not helping him with his comments and actions, and Billery with is an inexperienced Secretary of State. Socialism failed in the Soviet Union and it just failed here...but in only 4 years. Maybe all you reds will get a chance again to turn us into another communist country...but I doubt it.

lynseypug

The undecided in several focus groups termed Romney as forceful, presidential, very knowledgeable.

Dennis - For the record, I am a conservative.

Even before CBS put up the flash poll, I felt it was a very close debate - giving a slight advantage to Obama. But just as you point out in 1.61, he BARELY won the night. The fact that he merely squeaked out a marginal victory means he FAILED in his mission to retake control of this election.

Objectively, if solid momentum is on the side of your adversary, you can't just "tie" them and hope to win the war.

In short, Obama failed last night to turn the tide - but I am certain there will be new Gallop polls to indicate a huge swing with the President's lukewarm, lackluster performance...

All this being said, I look for Obama to wipe the floor with Romney in the foreign policy debate...

For the people who like Mitt Romney's ideas, I present the Romney tax plan. See the below link:

http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

awesomeness. The sad part is, that site has more details about his tax plan then I've ever heard him, or Paul Ryan, suggest.

Audience member: Mr President, recently your energy secretary stated that it wasnt his responsibility to keep fuel prices down. Do you agree with this statement?

President Obama: 2 minutes of saying everything under the sun EXCEPT answering the question.

It was a simple yes or no question...what was so hard about that?

Obama also claims that we are now using oil and gas more efficiently, and going further on a gallon because of his policies. What a totally ridiculous attempt to snowball the American people. Oh yeah all our cars now magically get better mileage thanks to Obama.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/autos-must-average-545-mpg-by-2025-new-epa-standards-are-expected-to-say/2012/08/28/2c47924a-f117-11e1-892d-bc92fee603a7_story.html

Just think, Rmoney doesn't give a crap about half of all Americans including the middle class(us). That means half of the people in that debate audience willard doesn't give a rats rear end about. Every other blogger on this site - Rmoney doesn't even care about you or want your vote. Half the people in everyones families robme doesn't care about. He said it and he meant it. The next day he doubled down on it. Liar that he is he won't say it to our faces but that's really what he believes and told to his rich donors. Busted! And this jackazz with that attitude wants to be my president?? He has a better chance of winning an all expense vacation to the forbidden planet of Kolob!!

And once again the fact checkers are having a field day with R$money's lies and breaking news "Robme said so many lies they had to put in overtime at factcheck.org to debunk all of them".

Beezlemaestro @ #1.29: "For the record, I have not once voted republican, but this election cycle I'm actually considering it. When you actually do the research instead of blisfully ingesting all the misleading information presented by the media, you learn that there are positives and negatives to either candidate. But you probably don't like hearing things like that."

Just curious, Beezy. What, exactly is it about Mr. Romney that has you leaning so far to the right? Is it the lack of jobs creation and overwhelming # of jobs lost on his watch as governor? Is it his lack of support for higher education? Maybe it's his disregard for the middle class? Or maybe it's his total lack of respect for others as illustrated in both presidential debates and how he continnually interrupted everyone and insisted on having the last word in every situation? Or is it possibly his lack of comprehension of so many issues, or how he doesn't seem to realize that, on President Obama's watch, the economy has clawed back from the precipice of the worst recession in history to the beginning of a recovery?

Now, I am a staunch and hardline independent. I refuse to vote party lines, choosing instead to vote candidates, quality, and character. I have, since I was old enough to vote, chosen candidates across the board from both sides of the aisle. So, generally speaking, choosing a presidential candidate is not a black and white (NO pun intended) issue for me. This time around, however, it is a clear choice. So, again, my curiosity is aroused. Just what, exactly, is it that moves you to put your faith Mr. Romney?

Once again obama LOST. Romney/Ryan 2012

Govt_Issue @ #1.72: "... It was a simple yes or no question"

Actually, nothing is ever so cut and dried, even in ... especially in politics.

"The sky is blue. Do you agree?"

Even such a seeming absolute question/answer as that is not so straightforward as one might think.

Yes? Well what about in the middle of a thunderstorm? Isn't it more dark grey, leaning at times toward brackish black? And, how about during a tornado when it can turn downright green? And, of course, we cannot ignore the beautiful summer sunsets when the sky turns shades of pink and orange and lavender!

Yes, the sky is blue ... sometimes. But I cannot agree absolutely that that is the end of the matter.

Re: 7.62x39mm @ #1.76 - Based on the ops of the majority of political analysts on both sides, your declaration simply does not bear out.

Now, of course, all hardliners are going to find every possible way to find fault in the opposing candidate while ignoring any mis-steps of their own favored son. It is human nature. and, of course, I keep hoping that both sides will someday stop, take a step back and truly look at the issues and the facts rather than the politics of politics. Ain't never gona happen. I know that. but I can dream, can't I?

Personally, I believe we need to get rid of all party labels and have the candidates run without any labels. It might help to force voters to really look at the issues and the candidates' deeds and records rather than the second-hand lip service of party flacks.

Isn't it great how the stinking conservatives spin the fact their candidate had his hat handed to him. They are still saying Obama's "failed" policy's, which in fact is a lie. Maybe they could use a little main stream media instead of the radical hate media that they use.

I got a kick out of Romney when he kept repeating " The government does not create jobs" Yet he continuously blames Obama for not creating jobs?

The GOP controlled monopolies have been doing everything they can to tank job numbers deflate the GDP and push inflation upward on all necessities. The sole reason being to defeat Obama and the newly formed consumer protections/regulations that keep them in check. This is economic treason on behalf of the corporations. They're running the same game on Obama as they did on Carter.

I think any corporations that propagate this kind of behavior deserve to be socialized and their CEO's be held accountable and face prosecution. Price fixing, gouging, and government control by monopolies must be dealt with or we fall deeper into their fascist utopia. You think it's out of control now? How bad will it get if the GOP get more of their corporate crooks in positions of power? To me a vote for these GOP criminals is treasonous as well and goes against we the people in every regard. They must be stopped now! vote all GOP out.

We the people are not to be deemed a renewable disposable resource for the benefit of corporate greed. Are soldiers are not a renewable disposable asset for corporate greed, They need to learn that lesson.

obumbo did better this time since he couldn't do worse, BUT, we still have the same problems and he gave NO solutions, just excuses.

Mitt 2012 No doubt about it!!!

John

Just a few of Obama's "promises":

"I am going to cut the deficit in half my first term" in fact, he has added more to the deficit than all previous Presidents combined.

"Unemployment will never go above 8%", in fact,it has only been below 8% one measley month during his entire term and even that is dubious at best.

Equal Pay for women? Ha!Ha! Ha! Ha!, watch what he DOES not what he says,(You have to do that with con men), He doesn't even pay the women in his own White House the same as what he pays the men!

John, Bud, Conservatives being on hate media?really? read the above comments,the hate on full display, all the insults, among them Yours , and then compare them with the discourse You find on any conservative site,Your 'Facts"are demonstrably false.

Romney insisted that we look at his record. "If people want to know what I stand for, they can look at my record as governor.” ~ Mitt Romney

Okay, let's see...

Under Gov. Romney, Massachusetts fell to 47th out of 50 in job creation:

Before Romney’s time as governor, Massachusetts ranked 36th out of 50 in job creation, but over the course of his tenure the state dropped to 47th out of 50, even as the national economy was growing.

Gov. Romney created or raised over 1,000 taxes and fees:

Though he promised he wouldn’t raise taxes as governor, he increased taxes and fees by as much as $750 million per year, leaving the average taxpayer to pay an extra $1,227 in state and local fees and taxes. During his first year in office, Romney raised fees on milk, driver’s licenses, hospitals, nursing and barber licenses, and even on the blind.

Gov. Romney left behind a huge budget deficit:

Romney broke his pledge to balance the budget and left his successor, Gov. Deval Patrick, with a $1 billion budget deficit. Long-term debt increased by 16% over Romney’s four-year term, and he left Massachusetts with the highest debt per person in the nation.

Romney's approval rating when he left office as governor was at 34%.

People have said that we need a "businessman" to lead our nation. That is a short-sighted thought. In business there is either an owner making all the decisions or a CEO with a Board of Directors making the decisions. (Despite the lip service they pay it, Boards are not really too interested in what the stockholders want or say). The object of a company is to make money for the owner(s), CEOs, Board members and, to a lesser extent, the stockholders. The public, in general, is just something to be manipulated, used or ignored.

Within our nation there are millions of people and our elected officials have the duty to do what is best for the majority of those citizens. The duty of the president is to be responsive to the people of the nation.

It is NOT about the CEO [read: president] or the Board [read; Congress / Senate] or the stockholders [read: the 1%] making huge amounts of money at the expense of the 99% of the citizens.

Mitt Romney has made his disdain for the middle class clear when he thought he was out of earshot of them and was with his own kind.

President Obama has made his compassion for the middle class clear. He is not in the pocket of the 1% - he is standing up for the 99%.

Obama / Biden 2012

My god, does it cause physical pain being as stupid as you die hard Obamaniacs are?

Yes, there are a few Romney fans that think he walks on water, and they're just as deluded. But there seem to be millions of people that are excited about the useless failure that has been Obama's presidency.

Yes, Romney is a typical useless lying politician. But what you blind idiots don't see is, so is Obama. Look at the facts for the whole debate. They both lied non stop beginning to end.

If you have anything positive to say about either candidate you are deluded. We are left trying to decide which of the two will cause the least damage.

Sadly, I think the lesser evil is Romney. But only because I can't fathom how he could possibly do worse than Obama has.

and as soon as the debate was over CANDY CRAWLER CRAWLED BACK INTO HER OBAMMY HOLE AND THEN SAID SHE MADE A MISTAKE obammy did not CALL THE ATTACK IN BHEGHAZI AN ACT OF TERRORISM she was wrong oopsy .and he DID NOT he said an act of terror would not be forgiven , he did not call this an ACT TERRORISM FOR 2 WEEKS LOL HE IS SOO FUNNY OBAMMY , GO ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 MITT WILL SWEAR IN ON JAN 20 YOU ALL WATCH NOW HEAR !!

Well scrreminglib at #1, Candi Crowley simply got it wrong ... and later she admitted she was wrong !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Making a general statement about acts of terror in the context of talking about 911 does not call this specific act as an act of terror, which it was ! For about 2 weeks, the State Dept KNEW it was not an act of terror, but Susan Rice and Obama were "busy" trying to blame it on spontaneous demonstrations because of a 17 min anti-Mohammed film !

This administration has desperately tried to spin the truth and blame the attack on something else. The Obama administration was EXPOSED for the distortion and Romney got Obama on the record as finally calling it a terrorist attack !!

Candi Crowley should NOT attempt to play referee or umpire, but should stick to being a modersator. Her "call" was as bad or worse than the call in the Packers-Seahawks game that magically awarded a touch down to the Seahawks ! It also reminded us of the very late "infield fly" call when the Atlanta Braves were rallying against the Cardinals .... a call about 70 feet out on the outfield grass about 1/2 second before the ball hit the ground !

Crowley BLEW the call and Romney was right !

Candy Crowley was a failure:

First Problem - She picked all the questions herself from the group of undecided questions sent to her. Who the heck picks a question in a debate asking the candidate to explain how they are not George Bush?

2nd - Crowley decided to not be a moderator, and turn into an instant fact checker, THEN IS PROVEN WRONG!!! Not only does she attempt to retract her error on CNN in way that doesn't make her look totally inept, Anderson Cooper also from CNN comes on after to say she was wrong in her defense of Obama. Doesn't really matter, because 7 million people already saw her defense on TV and most turned it off after the debate, thus thinking Candy's support of Obama's lie made it true.

3rd - Michelle Obama's heavy clapping job after Candy made her incorrect support of Obama's lie. Didn't we say no applause Candy? Yet no admonision to the audience? The quick flip to the audience when they started the applause showed Michelle Obama as the loudest. Guess the rules don't apply to the first lady???

People see what they want to see. Libbies see the Obamarama Spin Show and take it for the truth. Barry lies - LIES - about what he said about the Lybian Embassy attack - and when Romney calls him on it the libbie leftwing moderator lies - LIES - to protect him.

The questions picked by Candy Crowley to be asked favored Barry, another intentional media protection scheme.

Denial and tunnel vision have always been cornerstones of the libbie leftwing faith. The libbie left wing media has protected them from the truth by simply not reporting the news - but this election the media has begun LYING for Barry.

Wake up people - we're about one step from an eastern European style government, complete with Socialism and Media Led Propoganda.

Beezle...If you watch the news today..you would hear that Candi was wrong about what she said. That Obama did not say what she said he said about it being a terrorist attack in that interview they were talking about. So it just shows just how bias Candi is. Obama has the media snowed. None of them have the balls to confront him on his issues. They must be afraid muslums will show up at their door. ROMNEY 2012!!!!

Direct quote from Obama speech " These acts of terror..." is that not specific enough for you? You partisan hack with no ability to critically think. How about mittens specifics on his tax plan? Guess that you, like all the other right wingers, don't realize that his tax plan's arithmetic DOES NOT ADD UP at all.... not even close. Romney proved to me last night that he will say ANYTHING to get elected... at one point he said that the US, under his administration, would be energy independent (BS sentiment to begin with because oil is a GLOBAL commodity) in 8 years... then he said, about 10 minutes later. the US will be energy independent in 5.5 years. What a tool for the wealthy and the BIG corporations and oil and gas lobby. HE IS GEORGE W BUSH 2.0... prove me wrong because his LAME ass excuse didn't convince ANYONE. More GWB policies will DESTROY this country.

In addition, if the MSM was as liberal as you repugnicans perceive it to be why do the MSM shows NEVER EVER question R and R on their tax plan that DOES NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO ADDING UP according to studies done by ECONOMISTS. The 6 studies that Ryan referred to are described perfectly by this article.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/10/the-6-studies-paul-ryan-cited-prove-mitt-romneys-tax-plan-is-impossible/263541/
You rom-bots, faux-bots, rush limbag followers, and the rest of the morons from the right wing blog-sphere need to stop making crap up because you can't convince well informed Americans that your candidate, platform or ideas will help the AVERAGE (read NOT MILLIONAIRE) middle class citizen. Typical propaganda machine. Read a book called the "republican noise machine" to get a better understanding of the BS your ilk do to maintain any semblance of logic and sense.

I consider myself an independent voter, but going back to the Reagan days and with the only exception having been Perot, I’ve always voted Republican. But 2-months ago, I wouldn't have even considered voting for Romney. But after the last two debates and especially after he finally talked about using tariffs to level the playing field and bring jobs back home, I'm considering him more seriously. It was good to see them both finally talk seriously about bringing manufacturing back home to the USA and about protecting American jobs.

Although, I didn't like the comment that we should automatically staple a green card to every foreigner’s college diploma. That sounds too much like, "let's bring in cheaper educated foreigners to do take the place of higher paid US Citizens jobs here" (i.e.: the H1B immigrant issue)

If they (Both Parties) don’t actually start doing something about the real problems in our country like “out-sourcing”, illegal immigration and the out of control costs of health care insurance, by the next election – American citizens may just have to run a nation-wide campaign to vote every single incumbent elected official out of office, so that maybe they’ll finally get the message.

Seems in previous elections that both parties were always able to distract and polarize voters with insignificant peripheral issues, which ended up getting most of the voters so caught up in the BS that they lost sight of the bigger picture.

Now that that abortion and gay marriage are not legitimate distractions, they're going with gas prices and Social Security.

Wouldn't it be More Productive if Our Elected Leaders Started Working Together as AMERICANS for AMERICANS and AMERICA, instead of just bickering, stalling and posturing for the next election as democrats and republicans! The American People have had it with this unproductive BS! The sad thing is that both parties stink! Neither party is really looking out for the best interest of the US citizens who elect them and who they're supposed to represent.

ps: We also really need to start increasing the safe harvesting, production and distribution of our own natural energy here in the USA, rather than paying for fuel from countries where they hate us. - Let’s keep that money and those jobs here in the US.

notliborcon says;

Direct quote from Obama speech " These acts of terror..." is that not specific enough for you?

Nope.

Had he said "This act of terror...." I would believe it. The three weeks of trotting out Rice, his press secretary, and anyone else he could think of to tell the world that this was caused by rioters reacting to a video speaks much, much more loudly.

He lied, and he lied again to cover up the first lies, and then lied to cover that lie, and Candy Crowley lied to help him.

notliborcon - WRONG... Your quote was indeed spoken, but not in context. BHO was well past his specifics concerning the attacks.

To keep this in perspective, look past that one speech he gave where he used the word "terror", and consider the 13 days after that point. NO ONE from the BHO administration referred to this as an "act of terrorism". Look at the much larger picture and not a single word taken out of context...

I don't get how the FauxNews cool-aid drinkers can truly believe any president could totally reverse the damage done by "he-who's-name-shall-not-be-spoken" in only 4 years. They can't bring themselves to admit that we (the US) have recovered enormously under this president’s leadership.

The repugnant ones only recourse is to lie and spin the truth while claiming they have a better plan. Unfortunately, that plan (revenue-neutral 20% rate reduction) fails all reality checks thrown at it. What’s worse, when the gaping holes in their equations are filled by cutting deductions and closing tax loop holes, the Romney/Ryan plan is exposed as a double down on he-who's-name-shall-not-be-spoken’s tax policy (on steroids) that would further destroy the middle class while rewarding the super rich and balloon the deficit.

Nice try Willard, but for those of us capable of independent though, Mr. Obama and Biden has made it obvious in these debates, the emperor (Romney/Ryan ticket) wears no clothes. Stay the course! OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!

But after the last two debates and especially after he finally talked about using tariffs to level the playing field and bring jobs back home, I'm considering him more seriously.

Do you seriously believe he would actually DO THAT, or is he just saying that to win your vote. Mitt Romney, the champion of the outsourcing corporate raider world, says he wants to give the middle finger to free trade, and you believe him??

It was good to see them both finally talk seriously about bringing manufacturing back home to the USA and about protecting American jobs.

To be fair, neither side is really serious about this (Democrats included), they just talk a good game.

It looked to me that both candidates performed well to their perspective audiences last night. Anybody saying any different is just being a partisan hack. Obama was expected to improve his performance not only due to the structure of the debate, but also because he couldn't do worse than his first performance.

Red_Cloud....will you be my NV friend??? Oh, wait....you got banned for breaking the NV rules.........hahaha...

sreeeeminglib "Loved how Candy Crawly fact checked ol Mittens on whether or not the President mentioned the Benghazi attacks as an act of terror on September 12. AND HE DID!"

Nice try, but even Candy Crawly later admitted that she was mistaken - Obama's reference to a terror attack was the event in 2001.

Two weeks later, when Obama appeared on 'The View', he was asked if Benghazi was a terrorist attack, Obama was still saying 'We're still investigating that'. It took weeks before Obama was willing to admit what the intelligence services knew one day after the attack - it was INDEED a planned terrorist attack.

Romney said in his 'Op-Ed' that GM should go through a 'structured bankruptcy', for which he has been roundly criticized.

But guess what - That's EXACTLY what GM did, so Romney's advice was actually taken.

DApple...The unemployment rate in MAss. during Romney's governorship was at 4%. People were WORKING then. Job creation was not as desperately needed as it is now.

Liberals, you are in denial if you believe Barry identified this as a terrorist attack in the Rose Garden the next day.

Barry spent three weeks trotting the UN ambassador, his press secretary, and even using personal appearances himself - to dispute that very claim.

So, which is it: Did he lie about knowing, was he so incompetent as not to know? Did he tell the truth and then lie? Is he lying now?

Libbies can't have it both ways.......

At some point during this miserable foreign policy failure Barry has lied. It is inescapable, and to suggest otherwise is admitting to tunnel vision and denial of obvious fact.

Dear concernedone and Chuck... the EXACT QUOTE is as follows:

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.
Today we mourn for more Americans who represent the very
best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act."

Still not specific enough for you blindly partisan hacks? Don't know what else to say about that except that I feel sorry for you and your obvious lack of impartiality and political opportunism. Romney's actions to make this a political cudgel detract from the gravity of the situation and his comments in the hours after the death of our ambassador are a complete disgrace and are a disservice to the foreign service... PERIOD, END OF STORY!! My parents served in the foreign service and have provided me with valuable insight into how security is considered and therefore I can state, unequivocally, that the right wing pundits and, unfortunately, their mouthpiece candidate Romney are out of their element of understanding and are simply using this tragedy for political gains regardless of the effect it has on the families of those we lost and the effect it has on the ACTUAL security of our embassies.
Furthermore, why is it that there is NO mention of the FACT that the GOP run 112th congress CUT THE BUDGET FOR EMBASSY SECURITY BY 300 MILLION?? Dang left leaning MSM providing cover for the WORST CONGRESS EVER!!!

Flame Thrower

Huh, I think you guys are all wrong. Romney won.

Of course you will say Obama won because you want Obama, and I will say Romney won because I want Romney for president.

And you want Romney to win so badly that you ignore the entire debate!

The sad truth is, is that fact checks are often just so much more BS.

Why does it not surprise me that a Republican would believe fact checks are often just so much more BS...they believe facts are often just so much more BS as well.

Chuck in Olathe

Liberals, you are in denial if you believe Barry identified this as a terrorist attack in the Rose Garden the next day.

Chuck...not only are you in denial...you are absolutely delusional! It's not an opinion, it's not a talking point...

IT'S HISTORICAL VIDEO!

My God...you right-wing nut jobs have finally lost it completely! Why would any sane person elect one of you to office? Look at Flame Thrower's comments regarding fact-checking...you people are certifiable!

Liar Liar pants on FIRE SEPTEMBER 25!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxI3qd-Ztqw

notliborcon again says;

Dear concernedone and Chuck... the EXACT QUOTE is as follows:

I have read the quote. It does not say "THIS ACT", but let's say it did - just for the sake of arguement.

Why then did Barry spend the next three weeks send the UN ambassador Rice, his press secretary, Axelrod and anyone else he could think of to rtell the world it was a rowdy crowd reacting to a video. He even trotted that line of BS out himself, on The View, the Letterman Show and six times in a speech at the UN.

So, which is it, Was he lying in the Rose Garden, on Letterman or last night? Can't have it both ways - he's either incompetent, a liar, or both.

Thank you freedomfrys! Enjoyed the link.

Does anyone notice that Romney always says the wealthy will pay a "higher share of taxes" not a higher share of their income in taxes. Big difference!

Under the Ryan plan, that Romney said he really liked and would sign, tax analysts estimate Romney's tax rate would be less than 1%. Given the kind of money Romney, Adelson and the Koch brothers have you could probably raise our tax rates a whole bunch and they would still pay a higher or larger "share" than us while keeping 99% of their money.

ol doc - immature name-calling doesn't help your case. See above - you have two choices, you're messiah is either a liar or completely incompetent.

There needs to be some counter-balance on left leaning moderators and debates sites... Candy Crowley at a College Campus... Enemy territory for Romney and Hostile moderator! How dumb are Romney's handlers?

They need to have Brit Hume moderate one at a Military Base like Camp Pendleton! Never happen but would make it more interesting.

B.S. maestro---Yes there are positives and negatives about each candidate...There are a lot of positives about R-Money if you are in the 1% and a lot of negatives if you are in the 99% and especially negative if you are in the 47%...

And on the President there are a lot of negatives if you are a hedge fund investor etc. and a lot of positives if you are in the 99% of us that don't own large amounts of stock in venture capital firms( Mainly that he may get rid of tax loopholes)

Oh and there are negatives about Obama not demanding Single Payer health-care and the Bush tax-cuts on the top 2% expiring.....Is that enough reason for you to switch your vote ? Because if it is I would have to question you voting for him or Kerry, Gore , Clinton , Clinton , Etc. ( I don't remember the order going back from there since it was my lifetime but not my voting lifetime....It was Dukakis, Mondale, Carter, Carter I think but I was just a child)

Bottom line:Did you really vote for Obama ? Lying is a sin.

Protect American Jobs -- someone finally pointed out the problem. It is outsourcing. My 11 year old grandson informed me the other day that China owns us. The signing of NAFTA really messed up jobs in this country. It was not Bush -- but Bill Clinton that signed NAFTA. Free trade, along with the lack of regulations that are required in this country, why not go to China and build plants and pay very small wages? This opened the door wide for our manufacturing to go elsewhere. Even a lot of medical transcription is done in India. You would think with HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) no medical records would leave this country. I did transcription for 10 years, and most of the transcriptionists I know are perfectionists. Of course, no one is perfect, but you can bet these records are less perfect than what they would be if done over here.

My vote goes to Romney/Ryan. I may not agree with all their policies, but I think they are the lesser of the two evils. I've seen too many hate-related remarks by Democrats on these postings. I even had one tell me I lacked class, or what I had was below my waistline. I am in my early 70's, a mother and grandmother. All I made a comment about was Michelle Obama's number of trips and vacations with her two daughters. I called no one a hateful name. If you do not know who you are commenting to, it is best to leave it alone. I raised three kids by myself, took care of a sick husband for 7 years, and worked two jobs, one Monday-Friday, and the other part-time every weekend and holiday. I want no pity, I just did what needed doing. I have more class in my little finger than this person has in his whole body. So, Democrats, you have definitely lost me and my whole family.

Candy did retract... she said "he [Romney] was right in the main [point] but chose the wrong word"

here is the link to the video

Righties!

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

This is the FULL quote and it is clear that the President was referring to the specific act of terror that occurred in Benghazi.

allenjames

Now why do you think Candy Crowley had with her what Obama said in the rose garden with her, if Obama and Crowley did not go over the questions before the debate if you look back on the debate Obama got up when it was not his turn to listen to the next voter to ask their question. So he knew the answer before it was asked he good, but not that good. Obama has taken the office he hold to a new low, that's not whining that facts.

EXCELLENT OBSERVATION SKILLS ALLEN!!!!

Liars and cheaters never win! Shame on BOTH of them!

Moderator Crowley says Romney 'right in the main' on Libya, despite debate intervention

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/16/fact-check-did-obama-really-call-consulate-attack-in-libya-act-terror/#ixzz29aW56USF

Chuck in Olathe

ol doc - immature name-calling doesn't help your case. See above - you have two choices, you're messiah is either a liar or completely incompetent.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/17/1145757/-Libya-Another-Act-of-Terror-Obama-s-Rose-Garden-Speech-9-12-2012

4:18

If you don't like the Dailykos...try FOX News, they have the same video. You do trust FOX News, ...right?

FedupwithFed

Moderator Crowley says Romney 'right in the main' on Libya, despite debate intervention

And what was Willard's main point? Seems to me it was that President Obama didn't call it a terrorist attack for 14 days. Do you understand how pathetic that is? He didn't use the mystical words of power "terrorists".

What he did do is beef up security in the region and launch an investigation to identify the perpetrators (target identification). But I guess that's just not enough...he didn't invade Venezuela or the Czeck Republic or some other country that had nothing to do with the attack.

thewordsmith

Just curious, Beezy. What, exactly is it about Mr. Romney that has you leaning so far to the right? Is it the lack of jobs creation and overwhelming # of jobs lost on his watch as governor? Is it his lack of support for higher education? Maybe it's his disregard for the middle class? Or maybe it's his total lack of respect for others as illustrated in both presidential debates and how he continnually interrupted everyone and insisted on having the last word in every situation? Or is it possibly his lack of comprehension of so many issues, or how he doesn't seem to realize that, on President Obama's watch, the economy has clawed back from the precipice of the worst recession in history to the beginning of a recovery?

There are several things that are causing me to consider voting for him. One is how desperately the opposing party attempts to demonize him only to do the research and find the vast majority of their claims either unfounded or grounded in the most untenable assumptions. Your post is a prime example of leftist biases running unchecked. Romney definitely interrupted his opponent, but the President was just as forceful about interjecting his opinions. So the statement that Governor Romney is somehow "disrespectful" because of interruptions already reveals your bias. If that weren't enough, your statement about jobs lost under Governor Romney's tenure underscores either your ignorance or wilfull neglect of the fact that there was a nearly 50k net job gain in Massachusetts during those years.

The biggest item drawing my attention is the recognition of need for fiscal responsibility. This is an area where President Obama has been failing miserably. We're spending too much and too quickly without a solid plan for eliminating our deficit and debt. When President Obama talks about using the money we're saving by not having to fight these wars on education and infrastructural investments, it seems like he's oblivious to the fact that we didn't have that money in the first place! It's truly a shame that Clinton's approval of Obama's plan didn't include passing on some fiscal sense.

Although there is much criticism of Governor Romney's "revenue neutral" plan, nobody ever mentions the caveat voiced in the first debate that the numbers work "when you also account for growth." Provided he can enact policies which encourage sufficient growth and reduce unemployment, it's entirely possible that he can get us to a balanced budget. At any rate, I doubt he could fare worse in that area than President Obama.

swphilly

Yes, I voted for President Obama. Even if I had been considering McCain.....Sarah Palin?? Are you f***ing serious? That was a move of complete desperation. The only thing more pathetic would have been if they'd gotten Condi Rice on the ticket.

Romney definitely interrupted his opponent, but the President was just as forceful about interjecting his opinions. So the statement that Governor Romney is somehow "disrespectful" because of interruptions already reveals your bias. If that weren't enough, your statement about jobs lost under Governor Romney's tenure underscores either your ignorance or wilfull neglect of the fact that there was a nearly 50k net job gain in Massachusetts during those years.

Beezelmaestro: You twist and distort for your own purpose. Obama clearly tried to be respectful and presidential in the first debate. Romney made it appear to be weakness. Just as those on the right regularly criticise Obama for attending fund raisers every time any event in the world occurs he's not going to roll over and allow Romney to steal the election. As for your claim for Romney as Governor, try again. Why do you right wingers accept numbers when they support your point but don't when they don't? If Romney wants to claim Obama's numbers are deceptive because they ignore those that left the workforce, he has to accept the same. Romney claimed 50,000 new jobs created but ignored the fact the work force was smaller than when he took office and worse than 47 other states. That's not the record that proves he knows how to create jobs.

A core argument of Romney's presidential campaign is that he knows how to create jobs based on his career in finance. As governor, Romney faced his first test in applying his business background to a slow-growing economy — and data show that the results were unremarkable.

Massachusetts was one of just four states that by the time of the financial crisis still had not recovered all the jobs they had lost during the 2001 recession. And, as Romney's opponents have pointed out, the state ranked 47th in job creation during his term.

The parallels between Massachusetts then and the country as a whole now point to the same central problem that has dogged the U.S. economy the last three times it's climbed out of a recession: The recovery hasn't created enough jobs.

Many state policymakers and economists say Romney struggled to apply his business expertise to Massachusetts's problems during his tenure.

Romney's campaign says he curbed the state's unemployment problem.

"As governor he confronted an economy very similar to Obama's economy: high unemployment and no job creation," Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul said in a statement. "Under his leadership and economic reforms the Massachusetts unemployment rate went from 5.6 percent to 4.7 percent and the state had a positive record of nearly 50,000 new jobs created."

But Andrew Sum, a professor of economics at Northeastern University, says the unemployment rate fell only because people were leaving the workforce in droves during Romney's term. Just one state had a bigger drop in its labor force during the same period, according to Sum — that was Louisiana, which was hit by Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

"There was not one measure where the state did well under his term in office. We were below average and often near the bottom," said Sum, who is also the director of Northeastern's Center for Labor Market Studies.

No matter what "stirring, macho" words the President's writers had him read in the Rose Garden, the FACT IS, he continued with his story of the attack being the result of a protest about a video that got out of control.. THAT'S the plain FACT. And he sent his mouthpieces out to tell the same story, for weeks. He wants to continue with his political baloney about how he all but wiped out Al Quaida...oh no he di'ent.

Larry

You twist and distort for your own purpose.

Let's analyze everything and see just how much twisting and distorting I've done.

Obama clearly tried to be respectful and presidential in the first debate.

He sure did. He was nothing like that in the second debate, and that was the point I was illustrating. If you read what thewordsmith wrote to define what made Governor Romney disrespectful, he attributed it to interrupting his opponent and insisting on the last word. President Obama was doing the same things in the second debate, but it would appear that you don't believe he should be held to the same standard.

Romney made it appear to be weakness.

That's actually more of a function of the media. If you want to let the media dictate how you should feel about a candidate, that's your choice.

Just as those on the right regularly criticise Obama for attending fund raisers every time any event in the world occurs he's not going to roll over and allow Romney to steal the election.

So your argument then is...what's good for the goose is good for the gander? The President can conduct himself in whatever way will most help him secure reelection? Don't misunderstand, I don't have any grievances with President Obama attending fundraisers. I'm just pointing out that if you criticize candidate A for attribute X, you better be willing to hold candidate B to the same standard. Otherwise, you're displaying a biased opinion.

As for your claim for Romney as Governor, try again.

This should be good.

Why do you right wingers accept numbers when they support your point but don't when they don't?

First, why do you lump anyone who disagrees with your conclusion into the "right winger" bracket? Awfully presumptuous. And wrong, as the case may be. As to why I accept the number, it was confirmed by fact checkers such as Factcheck.org. And that was in response to the claim that Governor Romney lost jobs. 50k net gain is not a loss, no matter how much you may dislike it. Now, you can jump into the details and begin to show how the record is not as impressive as it sounds in terms of unemployment percentages, with which I agree, but I only pointed this out to illustrate that thewordsmith was regurgitating a talking point that reveals an inherent bias in their post.

If Romney wants to claim Obama's numbers are deceptive because they ignore those that left the workforce, he has to accept the same. Romney claimed 50,000 new jobs created but ignored the fact the work force was smaller than when he took office and worse than 47 other states. That's not the record that proves he knows how to create jobs.

If there's one thing about politics that's consistent, all numbers being spouted off by the candidates are deceptive. Take for example Governor Romney's accusation that the President cut licensing and leases on public land for energy production. When he was going off on this, this was one of the times when President Obama tried to interrupt him (one of those standards that apparently don't apply to your preferred candidate in the case of biased folk). Unfortunately, President Obama slipped by trying to claim that it wasn't true, only to have to give the explanation that ultimately said "Yes, it is true, but irrelevant." He should have just calmly told everyone that they were unused leases and consequently didn't have any effect on energy production on public lands. Such a response would have been 1) True and 2) Presidential. Instead, he tried painting Governor Romney as a liar and it backfired.

So, there has been no twisting or distorting here. Just a consistently objective view of the facts. If you believe I'm mistaken, please give me an example.

Romney said in his 'Op-Ed' that GM should go through a 'structured bankruptcy', for which he has been roundly criticized.

But guess what - That's EXACTLY what GM did, so Romney's advice was actually taken.

Poor Roy, rewritting history again. In a structured bankruptcy there must be private investors willing to put up the capital to acquire what assists the court determines. Roy, where were the private investors? The Banks and Investors were going threw their own problems and walked away from G.M. during the time. Even Bain Capital thought it as to much risk for tha times. That is why the Feds. stepped in and bought the assets......... For a guy who suppossedly has a "Master in Finance", you lack credibility, as shown by your positve responses goiung down the last year, and if I may add I am glad to be one of many who dispute your revisionist view,,,,,,,,"That's EXACTLY what GM did, so Romney's advice was actually taken." How vain is that statement and wrong to boot.

Two of the most ridiculous misstatements, I am being nice, That I keep reading are ,I am a democrat but--- and I voted for Obama but---. Those are probably lies.If they are not then I suggest that you ,who state that, find a simplified version of the political process. There are I would add a fewer group who name his opponent. The party that suits your economic and philosophical outlook should and will be the party that you will vote for. The Presidential hopeful will be of the Republican or Democratic Party.In a few instances a dissatisfied minority will vote Independent, which in my view is just a view of dissatisfaction. The P.O.T.U.S. is in general merely the leader of those two parties and should be voted on as a vote for the platform of those parties. That being said, I personally object to Romney not telling the U.S. voter's his platform for running for office.This is a very important point as the Leader should give every voter the honest view on what his personal agenda is.Beyond saying I will be better than he ,I have not had any way of deciding whether he has any important pieces of benefits for the American people that he wishes to push. Are you voting for him because he will -----? or is it because you hate the incumbent?

In Reply to DrowningGrover #1.96 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:18 PM EDT

I can't disagree with you there. I really don't believe it either side. I was just hoping that, since he put it (tariffs) out there, that he could be held accountable. But even the way that he worded it, was very clever and leaves him a way to back out.

Chuck in OLATHE... I LISTENED TO THE ENTIRE speech so whatever your quoting is WRONG. Listen to the speech.

Do you understand ANYTHING about how the foriegn service works? Who holds the purse strings for security budget? What the embassy security officer does? the protocol for requesting more $ from the State Department? Before you disrespect the OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA you may want to educate yourself by learning about the issue instead of slinging insults. You are typical of the RWNJ out there... insulting the office of POTUS is, in my mind, UNPATRIOTIC regardless of whether you agree, like and even respect the MAN in office.

Go back to Fox "News" where that blather works, trudat.

It appears you see Truth and Facts differently than the rest of the world. Good luck with that. Maybe if R$mney hadn't been such a douchebag, she would have gone easier on him?

Pssst, she's a registered Republican. Proving that even Republicans can't stand the lying prick.

Pssst, she's a registered Republican. Proving that even Republicans can't stand the lying prick.

Cant argue witht hat lie, she's a hardcore lib you dolt. I wouldnt expect much mroe than lies from the left anymore though.

Clara,

When you lose blame it on the moderator!

Candy was a great moderator and she was just keeping him honest with that little RWNJ "fact".

Remember, never let facts get in the way of a good right wing talking point.

I guess all you geniuses can then explain why obama denied it being a terrorist attack, hillary denied it, jay carney may still be denying it (he is a bit daft).

Why all the denial if he had already stated it on day 1? Or maybe that isnt actually what he was refering to in his speech. Great orator, great liar, horrible president, but that doesnt matter to you sheep.

Romney committed treason, risked American lives, by thwarting our efforts to control the Libyan crisis while it was unraveling. Period.

trudat, don't let that video tape throw you off. Damned facts keep getting in the way, huh?

Why is Candy Crowley now walking back her defense of the President and the use of the word "Terror". BTW, it is not the moderator's job to do fact checking.

I never hear anything from Obama about what he is going to do if reelected, all I heard him say is what Romney would or wouldn't do as President.

The good news is, everyone seems to be talking about the Libya/Candy Crowley exchange. This means that over the next few days, the nation will be hearing non-stop about Obama's failure to provide proper security there and then spent two weeks LYING that the attack was over a video. I don't think you people really want the nation sorting through the unsavory facts of this incident, do you?

Of course, the economy is the number one topic on the collective mind of the country and most are now saying that Romney won that part of the debate hands down.

Crowley did not walk back her defense of the President. She said that he did say it was an act of terror, however she also said that for a couple of weeks, the adminstration was saying it was caused by the youtube video. She said that in the debate and she said it on CNN. You never hear, because you don't listen.

Vet4Obama - SEMPER FI,it's amazing that Romney didn't get thrown into the BRIG for all that BS he said.But then if that would have happened,all the REICHPUBLICANS on here and across the country would be screaming "FOWL !!!!!!! ".

Layton-3733410

First comment out of the door for Mitt …

“I’m all for Pell grants!”

Actually, Romney is for Pell grants! You know, the kind where you ask mom and dad for the money. He just didn't finish explaining what his version of Pell Grants really is. So give the guy a break, "pell" "Mom & Dad" It's all the same to ole Mitt.....

Damage123

The good news is, everyone seems to be talking about the Libya/Candy Crowley exchange. This means that over the next few days, the nation will be hearing non-stop about Obama's failure to provide proper security there and then spent two weeks LYING that the attack was over a video. I don't think you people really want the nation sorting through the unsavory facts of this incident, do you?

So terrorists crash planes into buildings on american soil killing thousands and its the terrorists fault.

Four american citizens are killed at a consulate in a foreign country and its Obama's fault.

You people are clowns. Politicize some more please.

The only clown here is your logic. Whos fault it happened isnt the story, the story is why the administration pushed so hard for the american people to believe that it was a film that an American made, that got Americans killed, instead of a group of terrorist who hate everything we stand for and will kill us at every opportunity. AQ would not appear to be on its heals if they are killing our ambassadors, and that would cause way to many campaign speech changes.

Really guys, get your heads out of your a$$e$$

Mike 416, The U.S. facility was attacked in April, 201 and again in June, 2012. The facility did not meet the State Dept specifications for a secure facility. Stevens asked for more security and was denied. In fact, security was reduced before this happened.

What about a clear-cut, specific time-bomb was hard for this administration to see ? Where does the litany of excuses end ?? Furthermore, if you feel Obama was NOT responsible for the attack, why would Obama lie REPEATEDLY about causation when the facts were KNOWN within 24 hours or so ???

Why did all the lies and distortions take place if it is truly not Obama's fault ???

Romney told a group he envied Reagan who was lucky to have the Hostage crisis when facing Carter. He's probably disappointed it was only an Ambassador and a handfull of other's killed but he'll go with what he's got. The following transcript by Mother Jones. I dare any republican to defend it.

Hostages as opportunities? Yes, it’s another Mittism from the secret tapes, proving that the smirking Libya presser was no anomaly. Romney really does see human beings as political opportunities for him to shine on, you crazy diamond.

Audience member: If you get the call as president, and you had hostages…Ronald Reagan was able to make a statement, even before he became, was actually sworn in—

Romney: Yeah—

Audience member: the hostages were released—

Romney: on the day of his inauguration, yeah.

Audience member: So my question is, really, how can you sort of duplicate that scenario?

Romney: Ohhhh. [A few chuckles in audience.] I’m gonna ask you, how do I duplicate that scenario.

Audience member: I think that had to do with the fact that the Iranians perceived Reagan would do something to really get them out. In other words [unintelligible]…and that’s why I’m suggesting that something that you say over the next few months gets the Iranians to understand that their pursuit of the bomb is something that you would predict and I think that’s something that could possibly resonate very well with American Republican voters.

Romney: I appreciate the idea. I can’t—one of the other things that’s frustrating to me is that at a typical day like this, when I do three or four events like this, the number of foreign policy questions that I get are between zero and one. And the American people are not concentrated at all on China, on Russia, Iran, Iraq.

This president’s failure to put in place a status forces agreement allowing 10-20,000 troops to stay in Iraq? Unthinkable! And yet, in that election, in the Jimmy Carter election, the fact that we have hostages in Iran, I mean, that was all we talked about. And we had the two helicopters crash in the desert, I mean that’s—that was—that was the focus, and so him solving that made all the difference in the world. I’m afraid today if you said, “We got Iran to agree to stand down a nuclear weapon,” they’d go hold on. It’s really a, but… by the way, if something of that nature presents itself, I will work to find a way to take advantage of the opportunity.

I think what many on the right accept is that the President is omnipotent and knew the truth all along???? As if State and the CIA never ever get it wrong. As CIC you have to wait for the truth even when the house is burning. To say waiting for the truth is disrespectful to the dead or a coverup (Of God Knows what) gets yourself B****Slaped Huh Mitt

The adminstation didnt wait for the truth. Susan Rice was on 5 show 5 days later saying it was a mob reaction. Obama said tonight that he knew it was a terroist attack when he was in the rose garden. So when he said 6 times in front of the Un that it was an angry mob he flat out lied. Susan Rice flat out lied Obama lied on the view because he flat out pointed to the fact that he knew it was a terroist attack. All we heard from the adminstration for 14 days was it was an angry mob. Now we find out Obama knew when he was in the rose garden the it was an act of terroist.

Flamethrower,

Why, do you suppose, is it that 75% of journalists (those people that investigate and gather facts for a living), are registered democrats?

seriously

Under obama 6 trillion more
in debt middle east in a turmoil border guards killed by one of his projects
ambassador killed from lack of proper security Under obama a greater divide in
AMERICA under obama a new tax that will hurt middle class citizens the most
(obama care) under obam a total lack of transparency. Under obama the division
of races has tripled. obama 1st president to win because of his race obama
causes 1st presidential candidate to lose because of his race(mccain) possibly
second candidate to lose because of his race. That is the true picture of the
lawyer in the white house DO YOU REALLY WANT THIS AGAIN

Because democrats love the truth and facts, unlike republicians. That is why journalists are democrats.

Layton-3733410

First comment out of the door for Mitt …

“I’m all for Pell grants!”

Actually, Romney is for Pell grants! You know, the kind where you ask mom and dad for the money. He just didn't finish explaining what his version of Pell Grants really is. So give the guy a break, "pell" "Mom & Dad" It's all the same to ole Mitt.....

BobFritz

Flamethrower,

Why, do you suppose, is it that 75% of journalists (those people that investigate and gather facts for a living), are registered democrats?

I can explain, but it is rather complicated. I'll delve into the larger national ones only because it truly is very complicated.

The simple version is that people who own most major news sources also have other multibillion dollar interests. They make major campaign donations to candidates as well.

When Democratic candidates "sell out", and give political power directly to the lobbyists that lobby for their other interests, the main investor(s) must give something in return as they are limited via money trails as to how much they can donate to a given political party fund.

That something they give in return is slant in the media to favor their candidate. Being at the top of these multibillion dollar news organizations, they can control the flow of information their organization releases to the public.

They must do it carefully though so the public isn't fully aware it is happening, or they lose too much credibility. But they can accomplish their goals by hiring the right people to do this starting with the chief editors, anchormen, reporters, journalists and essayists. Even down to the political cartoons whose bias is extremely evident.

Above and beyond what they write, nowadays, they can even control what the bloggers say, or don't say by reprimanding bloggers for minor infractions when they don't like what they are saying, to "relaxing the rules" for those who say what the news organization wants the people to hear.

It is no secret that anytime humans are involved, emotions come into play, and can sometimes even block out reason. So people may sometimes write things based on emotion even though deep down, they know it is wrong, but they do it anyway because in a twisted way, it makes them feel better.

If you truly want the answer you are seeking Bob, look at who owns what. And just when you think you know who owns what, if you dig deeper, often someone else really owns, and controls it. When you find out who the boss really is, see what else they own, and then see if the lobbyists for that organization are being given positions in government, and legislation geared toward their profits.

When you do that, you have found the source of the corruption. Good luck getting the word out though, because they own the media !

That's exactly what he was talking about. The Libitards pull one sentence out of his speech that refers to an 'act of terror.' DUH... gotta read the whole speech. He was talking about 9-11-2001. His reference to the attack in Libya was this..

"We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None."

THAT was clearly a reference to the VIDEO.