Try looking at China or any other low wage paying, lack of environmental and work place laws, government subsidized manufacturing sector, and/or tax haven nation.

Better yet, ask the "outsourcing pioneer" himself (aka Williard "Mitt" Romney").

Halloween is still two weeks away... isn't it a little early for Freak-Fest?

What is missing in this stellar all star cast of characters???

WOMEN!

Nuff said!

The girls are at home where a good wife should be!

Smitty,

You mean burning the @!$%# out of "Welsh Cakes" in the kitchen while barefoot? lol

Not sure what the point of the article is supposed to be- Romeny has big donors- egads!(so does Obama), Romney's donors will be getting together (as does Obamas), or hey everyone they'll be right there.

Do you honestly think that both teams are not getting together and strategizing the end run?

What the Republican Plutocracy has really been doing is to “…starve the beast down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.” That’s why Republicans increased the budget while decreasing revenue – not a good strategy for dealing with deficits, but a great way to create excuses for selectively shrinking key government programs.

The thirty-year Plutocratic plan to take over America is reaching fruition. The Republicans have cleverly played a game of divide and conquer. The Plutocrats and their Republican allies have taken away workers’ rights, reduced their compensation and eliminated their benefits in the private sector, and now they’re coming after the public sector, turning it into an all-purpose bogeyman, responsible for all that ails us.

At a time when all workers are getting screwed, the Republicans and the Plutocrats have managed to make them fight among themselves over a rapidly dwindling share, rather than joining together to demand their equitable share of the national wealth.

Fiesty, I agree with you: no women to be seen! I guess this proves that women (even wealthy ones) know their own interests when they see them! ;)

Why is Obama allowing Romney and Ryan to blame the debt and the slow economy on him?

Where is the backbone and hitting back on this issue?

The President does NOT pass jobs legislation. He just signs them.

Growth only happens if the “GOP owned congress” puts bills on the table to sign.

The uncompromising GOP has blocked, stopped, voted NO, obstructed, filibustered over 500 times and made pledges to NOT create jobs or bring cash to the government just to blame ONE man.

When is Obama going to say that to the millions watching?

When is he going to challenge the lies and tell the people that his policies are NOT at fault?

ALL GOP Policies are at fault because everything is directly involved with them.

Mr. Romney, let's do some ARITHMETIC...

#1 - Name the "Obama" POLICIES and the AMOUNTS that you say added trillions to the debt and “ADD” those amounts.

#2 –“DEDUCT” that Obama total from the current $16 TRILLION.

The balance = “GOP” spending.

DO Remember the following…

Expenses to “FIX” the GOP failed policies like TARP and the stimulus are still GOP spending and NOT Obama's fault so DO NOT count those policies.

All expenses from the previous GOP administration's “UNFUNDED” policies that Obama ADDED to his budget are ALSO Republican spending.

The INTEREST on the GOP TRILLIONS of debt is NOT for Obama to be responsible for either, it is GOP spending too.

The GOP “OWNS” that interest.

Also,

The “Bailouts” ARE “loans” to REPAIR more GOP screwed up policies, the GOP wanted those to be FREE of charge, a "going away gift" to the Banks and Wall Street from Bush. Obama made them loans.

Do not add policies before Reagan because there was NO DEBT PROBLEM before that, Reagan took office when the DEBT had ONE TRILLION and could have been tackled and fixed with comprehensive tax reform but Reagan did the opposite..

“Entitlements” are a tiny fraction of the debt and they always bring their own revenues through payroll deductions as premium payments. Entitlements are NOT free, it's paid-into insurance.

Be sure of this…

The Republicans will try blaming a Democratic majority that never actually had “control”.

Saying that the Democrats had a "Majority" doesn't count as “control”, because we all know the GOP had the "CONTROL" with their record filibusters and obstructions.

Remind the Republicans that "Total Control" is having a "Filibuster proof majority". The Democrats only had it for 6 months. After Teddy died, the Republicans went on a filibuster frenzy and BLOCKED everything.

All those failed GOP policies were drafted by Republicans AND all passed with GOP majority of votes going back to Reagan.

The Republicans will NEVER have policies or numbers to blame on the Democrats because they DO NOT exist.

Look them up, I tried. DO NOT call them “spending” if you cannot name the policies.

Every single policy at fault is GOP owned, drafted and vigorously voted by Republicans.

DO NOT get fooled into thinking it is Obama's fault. NOW is the time to stop that Myth.

Watch out for the following…

The Republicans and the Fox-Rush-bots are going to try to change the subject on this comment with insults, diversions and ridicules.

The Republicans will ask for budgets, but no one can pass budgets without Revenues. The GOP PLEDGED to NEVER raise revenues.

The Republicans will mention “bills” that are on Reid’s desk. I saw all those bills. NONE are for jobs or to fix the economy. ALL are for reducing regulations for the rich, cutting public services, more tax cuts for corporations etc.

The Republicans will blame gas prices on Obama but will fail to explain why a President seeking re-election would do that or how he could actually do that.

This is a WIN WIN on talks about the economy. Use it. Challenge every Republican. It will drive them mad with ZERO response.

This is NOT blaming the GOP or BUSH, this is ARITHMETIC !!!!

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Halloween is still two weeks away... isn't it a little early for Freak-Fest?

What is missing in this stellar all star cast of characters???

Feisty,

MYTH and Eddie Monster are freaky all the time; ewwwww!

http://www.scotthayes.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/7ZUNB.jpg

Women

Let them use coat hangers

Nuff said!

I guess this proves that women (even wealthy ones) know their own interests when they see them! ;)

GoObama12,

I've been saying for years, any woman who votes Republican is comparable to a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders! ;o)

Smiles @ Fiesty and mimes a female zombie voting for Mitt "Cluuuuuuccckkkk......cllluuuuccckkkkkkk...." LOL

Caesar Augustus-

I bet smitty and Feisty wear the V for vendetta masks while typing

You can bet no is typing Hail Caesar.

I've been saying for years, any woman who votes Republican is comparable to a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders! ;o)

Sure...and when Obama gets in trouble who does he throw under the bus? Hillary. I'll bet Bill is feeling pretty good about his decision to campaign for the guy who makes his wife the scapegoat.

ceaser augustus I bet smitty and Feisty wear their V for Vendetta masks while typing.

LMFAO Do you work for NASA to come up with a line like that. Actually the mask is to hot to wear. PIZZA PIZZA

You can bet no is typing Hail Caesar.

WTF? no BEV you say AVE OBAMA!

LMFAO Do you work for NASA to come up with a line like that. Actually the mask is to hot to wear

NASA is old news pal, but really its hot to wear? I wouldnt know, i have better things to do like point out faux racism/sexism amongst the low info left on FR. of coure its like tryin to explain the wheel to cro magnon. so there ya go

PIZZA PIZZA

and speaking of NASA, I take it youre alma mater of MIT?

Top Romney donors gather for exclusive NYC retreat

will they check for video cameras so the real Mitt Romney can speak freely?

@JH

Just name those policies.

The ones the democrats passed when "according to you" had control.

Name them and prove you're right.

Good luck with that, because all bad policies were passed by conservative votes.

Q22

"Vote for Obama - He can't work with the other party"

Romney - even though he tells you he worked with the other party in Mass, his 800+ vetoes say otherwise.

Romney = I don't let facts get in my way.

JoeNY

Not sure what the point of the article is supposed to be- Romeny has big donors- egads!(so does Obama),

big difference: Majority of Obama's donors are small (less than $200) donations while majority of Romney donors are max donations.

When it comes to Pacs, Romney kicks azz - just with 3 people alone (Adelson, 2 Koch brothers). Yes, three people are spending hundreds of millions of dollars to get Romney elected.

JH,

Jan 2007 there were 14.0 million Manufacturing jobs down 3.1 million from Jan 2001.

So during the first 6 years (75%) of Bush the Republican control of Congress we lost 70% of the manufacturing jobs but in the final 2 years with a recession under way the Democratic controlled lost 30% of the Manufacturing jobs.

I think you tried to make a point where there is no point to be made what-so-ever.

ceaser augustus My alma mater is the School of Hard Knocks. Same one you went to.

PIZZA PIZZA!!!

Bet for this retreat everyone will have to turn in their cell phones or we'll be hearing again how Mitt is for all but the 47%. You know, he'll tell the truth to his base while he lies to everyone else.

Would love to be a fly on the wall at this gathering. You know he's going to tell them what they want to hear - what Grover Norquist has told him he's allowed to say.

Obama/Biden 2012

I'd like to be a fly on the wall of that hate fest.

Obama/Biden 2012

I guess Romney is just trying to demonstrate how ordinary he is. I might see him tonight at the Waldorf-Astoria. That's where me and my blue collar buddies always meet after work. We also enjoy dinner on the USS Intrepid several nights a week.

We all have $25,000 or $50,000 to donate to whoever we happen to feel like giving it to, too. I have $75,000 in my pocket right now, and I just can't figure out what I want to spend it on! Maybe a therapy horse.

BO

You name the bad policies that the Republicans passed that were bad. All that I'm saying is the Americans that make this country work don't trust the progressive/liberals who took over in 2007. What happened??? That told us in 2006 to elect them and they would fix everything. What the hell happened??? We voted them in and they screwed up everything.

If you think that the Republicnas screwded up everything during the 6 years that Bush had more control please tell us what policies were passed that were so harmful. And why were they allowed to let those policies get passed if they were bad? Why didn't the dems stop them? Afterall you clowns always say that a very slim minority can stop Obama from doing all the right things. The Republicans never had such a majority as the democrats have had the past 4 years and all I hear is whining about him not being able to get things done. Yet when the Republicans get things done with democrat support it's still the Republicans fault. Demcrats want things both ways. When things go bad it's not their fault because they were stopped by the minority party. What a bunch of cry babies. Time to send the cry babies home where they belong. We need leadership now. We haven't had it for 6 years.

This is the ONLY position Myth Robme has not changed his 'mind' about in the last 10 years: "I want to add POTUS to my resume."

Google: "Bainport Illinois"

then VOTE: O & JOE, 4 more!

school of hard knocks smitty? Pizza Pizza? Mickey NY rereg? LOL

Thats sounds about right. The girls are at home where a good wife should be!

school of hard knocks huh? Keep beating those 'war drums' libs. You love your intangilbe wars dont ya.

TO: JoeNY who wrote:

"... Romeny has big donors- egads! (so does Obama)..."

Yes, and we know that Romney views 47% of the American People with utter disgust.

Since no women will be in attendance, only men, I suspect they'll be making plans for a big "baby boom" generation, should they have such a loathsome opportunity to take over women's rights.

Obama/Biden 2012

Hey American Girl. Check out some of my posts. If you would like, it would be nice to be friends.

What changes after November if Obama wins? Congress will still be controlled by Republicans and the Senate will likely be more Republican.

You really should start paying attention.....it's more likely the Senate will still be controlled by the Dems and if the they don't take the house they will undoubtedly gain seats.

R & R are all about the 1% and the middle Class can go to hell, the GOP is a Disgrace to America !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is a sobbering fact. Less people have have job than when Obama took office but there has been 4 years of new babys born.

caesar augustus Keep beating those " war drums" libs.

Hear the sound of those "war drums" the beat sounds like PIZZA PIZZA!!!

Drill Baby Drill - your post makes no sense so clearly you ARE Sarah Palin! Yes in 4 yeas we have had babies born. You know, the norm!

Obama/Biden 2012

Once all the big money people check into the Waldorf the NYPD should arrest them. Charge them under the RICO act. Problem solved.

Jobs, manufacturing and Americans having DECENT, good paying jobs/careers like before reagen and the 2 landscapers, bush1 And The King. You knowFeisty, Women will rule and run the Planet in a sane Fashion. NO Aristocrat/ElitistRepublicanCrimeCartel VERY PROFITABLE Wars costing $TRILLIONS. And!!! An American NationalUniversal HealthCare System instead of feeding Rommel and EddiMunster's pals at the "healthcare" insurance industry. Please Research It: Rommel's ceo buddy at UnitedHealthCare took home for 2008 year salary $128,000,000 *CASH* while their paid policyhilders were denied lifesaving care and Died. These sociopathic Thieves use "the republican"party as their platform to look dignified, as these aristocrat CRIMINALS rule America with an Iron gas pump handle. Those few voters who are considering voting for Rommel and Lyin'Ryan should remember the lesson of the Moth and The Flame; only this time the Naive voters are the Moths and Rommel is the Flamethrower. Yes, that is correct, SociopathCriminal aristocrat elitists are ruling America and WILL BE Removed Just like the heads of the aristocrats during The French Revolution in 1790. Here is a VERY VERY Helpful link to clear out the cobwebs and to wake up with:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og35U0d6WKY&feature=player_detailpage

Babies, BABIES! We don't need no stinkin babies!

I still have have my job.

Sooooo, if unemployment goes up people are going to stop having Children?

Caesar is classic example of the low info voter. Low info voters include the misinformed such as Caesar. Facts continually challenge his point of view, so he often resorts to name calling when he has no facts left to call upon.

As all the liberal posters likely already know, Caesar's calling you a name is like a badge of honor to be worn proudly.

Thanks be to Caesar.

Looks like the Libby trolls are on patrol today.

Dennis Columbus

Let's talk unemployment rates. January 2007 5.7%, January 2007 4.6%. January 2012 8.3%. Knock off the BS about Bush losing manufacturing jobs faster than the dem controlled congress. Unemployment tells the story of how our economy is doing. When Bush was able to lower the unemployment rate every year after the 9/11 attack to get it down to 4.6% for the dems to take over and "fix everything" so that it went to 9.7% in January 2010. Good thing we elected Republicans to take back at least the House of Representatives and start the trend back in the right direction. Just think how good it will be after we finish the shellacking in November.

SeekingSanity: Fly on the wall? They will have there people sweep the room, but you are right it would be wonderful.

Drill: You are totally incompetent, Oh why bother you can not read

A meeting like this, would it be considered a "Conspiracy to overthrow the government of the United States by any means necessary " ?

AKA, conspiracy to commit treason ?

hey Shaak, care to show me where? you mean like baseless claims that the GOP want to b*tch smack women and keep them barefoot and pregnant. Show me some of those facts Shaak. I know you can do it.

Facts continually challenge is point of view, so he often resorts to name calling when he has no facts left to call upon.

i know where you're going to show me where I called someone a name. I know shaak will be there when a lefty progressive calls someone stupid or an idiot. Right Shaak, after all FAIR eh?

I eagerly await for your facts Shaak

Thanks be to Caesar.

Render unto Casear Shaak.

Once all the big money people check into the Waldorf the NYPD should arrest them. Charge them under the RICO act. Problem solved.

A meeting like this, would it be considered a "Conspiracy to overthrow the government of the United States by any means necessary " ?

AKA, conspiracy to commit treason ?

Amazing how quickly you leftists go into Police State mode.

JH,

Why are you changing the topic … because you lost that one?

Here is another fact you won’t like. From 2001 to 2008, given the standard that 150,000 jobs need to be created every month, there should have been 14.4 million jobs created not just 3 million he created.

He lost 11 million jobs!!

caeser augustus If calling me names makes you feel better thats ok. PIZZA PIZZA

Here is another fact you won’t like. From 2001 to 2008, given the standard that 150,000 jobs need to be created every year, there should have been 14.4 million jobs created not just 3 million he created.

You have to have the year 2008 in that figure because if you stop at 2007 it tells a very different story.

You also want to blame Bush entirely for the financial meltdown despite the fact that Democrats held both the House and Senate and ran the House and Senate banking committees. Those were the committees run by Dodd and Frank (the darlings of the mortgage industry) who blocked all reforms to Freddy and Fannie and allowed the sub prime lending to continue. It wasn't Bush's policies that caused the financial meltdown. It was two Democrats in the pockets of the mortgage industry and the former Clinton aides running Freddy and Fannie.

caeser augustus If calling me names makes you feel better thats ok

hey, its a reference to little orphan annie, its a hard knock life. but if repeating PIZZA PIZZA like that tired old hack Mickey NY then fine. you're less orginal then him. But guess what, you are the one with the ignorant statement below

Thats sounds about right. The girls are at home where a good wife should be!

like i said, enjoy your war on women and 'fighting for their rights'. A little hint, they have the same as you and I and guess what, the 19th amendment allows women to vote. uphill battle for you

Caesar,

I base my comments on the two months that I've read your posts.

Republican calls to limit a woman's access to contraceptives (eliminating Planned Parenthood funding) and access to abortion will put many women on the Welfare rolls, pregnant with children.

Republicans have opposed any legislation to end wage discrimination against women.

Many in the Republican Party's fundamentalist base think the woman's place is in the home.

Shoes are cheap, so I would not claim Republicans want to keep women barefoot, just in cheap shoes.

Dennis

It is the progressive/liberals who change the subject. The subject has been unemployment for the last 4 years. This administration has done a very poor job in that department. So let's just change the subject to "manufacturing" jobs. Look around your house Dennis and tell me what percentage of things you see were made in America. What kind of car do you drive. Or do you still have a need for a buggy whip?

And the United States is stil the leader in manufacturing.

caesar augustus it been fun posting with you today I have to go to work. You made me laugh with every post. What made it so much fun was the PIZZA PIZZA thing. Its been grins & giggles. PIZZA PIZZA

shaak322

Caesar,

I base my comments on the two months that I've read your posts.

then perhaps re-reading again and this time with less obstructed view. sure in the beginning i came out swinging. but now i've gotten my point across.

Republican calls to limit a woman's access to contraceptives (eliminating Planned Parenthood funding) and access to abortion will put many women on the Welfare rolls, pregnant with children.

i can't speak for the party's platform but I believe the intent is to limit the gov's role in it. No one is stating abortions are illegal. Roe v Wade will stand for my life time no doubt. I support Roe v Wade. the Gov has no business in deciding money allocations for abortions. doesnt sound like planned parenthood when you need to abort for birth control. Gov has no interest in social engineering. Promoting General Welfare is not the same as providing

Republicans have opposed any legislation to end wage discrimination against women.

you're going to show me where right.

Many in the Republican Party's fundamentalist base think the woman's place is in the home.

again im assuming you have some proof to back this. Equally then, its the DNC's goal to suppress the people by forcing everyone to dependent on the gov. Easily controlled populus. Dont bite that hand that feeds eh?

Shoes are cheap, so I would not claim Republicans want to keep women barefoot, just in cheap shoes.

and the DNC wants everyone nice little serfs working the land

Alexander Fraser Tytler

You made me laugh with every post.

thanks, you made me shake my head with yours.

JH,

We are down 7 million manufacturing jobs since 1980. The company I worked for during the 80’s outsourced 50% of our manufacturing jobs to Ireland and Mexico because they got tax breaks to do so plus tax advantages from those countries not to mention the lower labor rate and fewer benefits. For any company’s bottom line it is a huge win.

In 1980 the whole world wanted “Made in America” but thanks to our politicians doing the bidding of Corporations, they allowed that advantage to slip away. Today our manufacturing base and export business is one-third of what it was in 1980.

If we had anywhere near that level today the recovery would be much easier.

According to Mitt Romney China is the new leader in Manufacturing.

Republican calls to limit a woman's access to contraceptives (eliminating Planned Parenthood funding) and access to abortion will put many women on the Welfare rolls, pregnant with children.

Republicans don't want to limit access to contraception unless by access you mean absolutely free contraception for everyone. But I would argue that there is no correlation between access to contraception and unwanted pregnancies. We have had cheap or free contraception fro decades but we still have more and more never wed mothers. You seem to think that if you through more contraception at the problem then it will go away (or become less of a problem) but there is no evidence to support that view.

Republicans have opposed any legislation to end wage discrimination against women.

Hahaha!! It was the Obama administration that got caught paying female staff members less than males. You guys have a problem with walking the walk.

You guys have a problem with walking the walk

and the excuse i heard by one poster was that Obama had no power to overturn what was already in place ( the female staff making less than her counter part). Funny though they believe Obama will bring salvation.

No representation without TAXATION

and the excuse i heard by one poster was that Obama had no power to overturn what was already in place ( the female staff making less than her counter part). Funny though they believe Obama will bring salvation.

A variation of the worn out "It's Bush's fault" excuse.

TO: Q22 who wrote:

"You also want to blame Bush entirely for the financial meltdown despite the fact that Democrats held both the House and Senate and ran the House and Senate banking committees..."

Just stop! Quit trying to cop that "House and Senate" and "White House" crap!

Republicans want to run the country but they don't want to bare any of the responsibility for doing so!

Republicans say that President Obama is responsibile for everything because he's POTUS, but they don't hold Bush responsible for anything even though Bush was not only potus, but also proclaimed himself to be "The Decider".

Yes, whether Republicans like it or not, and whether they accept it or not, Bush and the Republicans ran the country into the ground and crashed the entire United States Economy, which was the terrorists' 2nd dream come true, of which BOTH terrorists "dreams come true" happened while Republicans were in charge. (The 9/11 attacks, and Terrorists wanted to crash the entire United States Economy, both happened under Republicans' watch!)

Republicans, quit trying to run from your record, and stop trying to blame everybody else for YOUR FAILURES!

Obama/Biden 2012

TO: Q22 who wrote:

"A variation of the worn out "It's Bush's fault" excuse."

I guess Republicans don't understand that those Bush years are part of history itself, or do Republicans think they can lie enough to change what's written in the history books, because that's what it would take to erase George "Curveball" Bush's part of lying us into a phoney war with the 2nd largest oil rich country on the planet, and crashing the entire United States Economy while trying to blame people who DID NOT occupy the White House.

Republicans, trying to lie hard enough to change the past!

Obama/Biden 2012

Ceasar

When funding for Abstinence Only Education was passed by Repubs and signed by Bush, were they trying to reduce government involvement in education or increase it?

Republicans make small government argument when they oppose a program, but choose to ignore small gov't argument when they pass things they like. How convenient?

Just stop! Quit trying to cop that "House and Senate" and "White House" crap!

Republicans want to run the country but they don't want to bare any of the responsibility for doing so!

If we ran the country entirely then yes, we would bear all responsibility. That's not how it works. The President's power is increased or decreased depending on the strength of his party in the legislature. If the President controls one or more legislative branches he has more power to get his legislation through. If his party controls neither house then his legislative power is greatly diminished. Obama had full power for about the first half of his administration - his party controlled both legislative branches with a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. In contrast, Bush - in his last term - had Democrat controlled house and Senate. This is just elementary.

Now - the financial meltdown. It is a well documented fact that Republicans were calling for greater oversight of Freddy and Fannie that was blocked by Frank in the house and Dodd in the Senate. Frank is on record - in 2007 mind you - supporting sub prime loans and Republicans who were complaining about it did so to make sure that low income Americans couldn't buy houses.. In 2008 he gave another house speech about how there is no such thing as a "Housing bubble" since houses were tangible assets as opposed to tech stocks.

Contrary to Democrat talking points the financial meltdown had nothing to do with tax policy, deregulation under the Bush administration or any other Bush policy. I challenge you to come up with one!

"Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power." Benito Moussilini

The Republican ideal.

Hidden on the back pages of foxnews.com a story run by the AP

FACT CHECK: Romney spins one-sided story on trade, defense cuts in foreign policy speech

Published
October 08, 2012

Associated Press

WASHINGTON – Mitt Romney solely blamed President Barack Obama on Monday for potential defense cuts that Republicans in Congress worked out with the White House and Democrats and left the misimpression that Obama has ignored free trade initiatives.

A closer look at some of the Republican presidential nominee's statements in his foreign policy speech:

ROMNEY: "I will roll back President Obama's deep and arbitrary cuts to our national defense that would
devastate our military."

THE FACTS: "Arbitrary" defense cuts do not belong to Obama alone but also to congressional Republicans,
including his vice presidential running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan. The first round
of cuts in projected defense spending is the result of a bipartisan deal in
August 2011 between Congress and the White House to wrestle down the deficit.
Unless a new budget deal is reached in time, additional spending cuts will
begin in January across government, and the cost to the Pentagon would be $500
billion over a decade. Lawmakers are working to avoid that. Separately, Obama
wants to slow the growth of military spending, now that the war in Iraq is
ended and the war in Afghanistan is drawing to a close. The Pentagon's budget,
including war costs, is $670 billion this year, or about 18 percent of total
federal spending. Even setting aside the costs of the wars, military spending
has more than doubled since 2001.

At its heart, Romney's statement marks a disagreement with Obama over the proper level of military spending but also skips past a deficit-reduction deal that he recently criticized Republicans in
Congress for negotiating.

ROMNEY: "The president has not signed one new free trade agreement in the past four years. "

THE FACTS: Obama hasn't opened new trade negotiations, but he's completed some big ones, overcoming opposition from fellow Democrats to do so. After taking office, he revived a free-trade
deal with Colombia that had been negotiated by his Republican predecessor but
left to languish without congressional approval and sought similar progress
with South Korean and Panamanian free-trade pacts. The president delayed
submitting the three deals to Congress while he tried to placate Democrats who
opposed some of the terms, but finally submitted them in 2011, and Congress
approved them.

ROMNEY: "I will recommit America to the goal of a democratic, prosperous Palestinian state living side by side in peace and security with the Jewish state of Israel. On this vital issue, the
president has failed, and what should be a negotiation process has devolved
into a series of heated disputes at the United Nations. In this old conflict,
as in every challenge we face in the Middle East, only a new president will
bring the chance to begin anew."

THE FACTS: With this statement, Romney
has moved toward the balance enshrined in U.S. policy from one administration
to another on the question of Israelis and Palestinians and away from his
provocative remarks to a May fundraiser that recently came to light.

In those remarks, he said "the Palestinians have no interest whatsoever in establishing peace," ''the
pathway to peace is almost unthinkable to accomplish," Palestinians are
"committed to the destruction and elimination of Israel" and it would
be "the worst idea in the world" to put pressure on the Israelis to
give up something in hopes Palestinians would respond accordingly. Now he is appearing to put faith in a negotiation process he all but dismissed before.

ROMNEY: "As the dust settles, as the murdered (in the Libya consulate attack) are buried, Americans are asking how this happened, how the threats we face have grown so much worse, and what
this calls on America to do."

THE FACTS: It's unclear whether terrorism has gotten worse. There has been no incident even remotely comparable in scope or symbolic meaning to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the
World Trade Center and the Pentagon. After a score of counterterrorist
successes, the Obama administration has been knocked back on its heels since
the attacks' 11th anniversary, when assailants stormed the U.S. consulate in
Benghazi, Libya, and killed a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans. There
has also been an uptick in attacks on American troops by supposedly friendly
Afghan forces. But many counterterrorist experts say al-Qaida has been
significantly weakened and the threats of global terrorism significantly better
countered over the last decade.

ROMNEY: "When we look at the Middle East today — with Iran closer than ever to nuclear weapons capability, with the conflict in Syria threating to destabilize the region, with violent
extremists on the march and with an American ambassador and three others dead
likely at the hands of al-Qaida affiliates — it is clear that the risk of
conflict in the region is higher now than when the president took office."

THE FACTS: Risk is always a matter of perception, so it doesn't fall easily into the realm of truth vs. fiction. But for the United States and the region, it's not clear that conflict has
increased in the last four years. Obama entered office in 2009 with the United
States still engaged in a conflict in Iraq. U.S. troops are no longer there.
And he came as Israel and Hamas just finished a three-week war. That was two
years after another war between Israel and an Iranian-backed force, in that
case, Hezbollah in Lebanon.

There has been no significant Israeli military conflict since Obama has come into office. That said, Syria's conflict has become the region's deadliest since the Iraq war. The U.S. has stayed out
of that conflict under Obama.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/08/fact-check-romney-spins-one-sided-story-on-trade-defense-cuts-in-foreign-policy/#ixzz29Ih1aPjQ

80% of all money in PACs comes from just 196 individuals.

Q22

A variation of the worn out "It's Bush's fault" excuse.

there is a reason why the unpaid BUSH tax cuts are Bush's fault. There is also a reason why the 2 wars are Bush's fault. There is also a reason why the Medicare Part D is Bush's fault. There is also a reason why the interest on Bush's mortage that we are obligated to pay and will be bligated to pay is Bush's fault.

Now, if you can show me how all those things got erased on 1/20/2012, I will tell you that you are 100% correct that it's no longer Bush's fault.

Hobnobbing with the billionaires - you just know they are talking with Mitt about all the ways they want to help the middle class!

Why,

Facts from Fox News? HaHaHaHaHaHa

"Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power." Benito Moussilini

Benito was a leftist. His Fascism was also greatly admired by FDR. Do your homework

Hobnobbing with the billionaires - you just know they are talking with Mitt about all the ways they want to help the middle class!

Tell me that the next time Obama does a fund raiser in Hollywood, Silicon Valley, Georgetown, The Hamptons or Martha's Vineyard.

Yeah, but Obama doesn't have the Mr. Burns image problem that Willard has -thanks to his candid 47% remark. Release the hounds!

there is a reason why the unpaid BUSH tax cuts are Bush's fault.

Tax revenue before the Bush tax cuts were $900b, in 2008 revenue was up to 1.032t. What unpaid tax cuts? Federal revenue went up, not down.

There is also a reason why the 2 wars are Bush's fault.

Passed by Democrats in the House and Senate.

There is also a reason why the Medicare Part D is Bush's fault.

Sponsored by Ted Kennedy and passed by Democrats in the House and Senate

There is also a reason why the interest on Bush's mortage that we are obligated to pay and will be bligated to pay is Bush's fault.

Mortgage??? You mean debt? The same debt he inherited? The same debt that Romney will inherit from Obama?

All you upper middle class that are giveing money to Robmey

Just remember that when there done raping us middle middle and low middle class Taking are social security away .

Who do you think the 1% will becoming ????? YOU all those thousands and millions you guys are saveing for retirement there just salavting wait just like the big stock market crash in 07 all you guys will lose your money andh then you'll wish that you did vote for Obama haaaaa!

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Republicans donors getting together to discuss strategy huh? Buzzards divving up roadkill is more likely.

@dennis Columbus;

Point of reference – in 1980 we had 19 million manufacturing jobs. Where did they all go.

Well offshoring jobs for one. Automation, and technology have taken over many factories. One machine can do the job of dozens,if not hundreds. Obama nor Romney will stop or slow down either.

By 2018 45% of jobs will require at least a bachelors degree. The middle wage, and middle skill jobs are disappearing at a fast rate(no matter who wins) Higher education will be key. We need to innovate for job creation to increase. How and what we will innovate are the two answers that still need to be answered.

“In medicine, law, finance, retailing, manufacturing and even scientific discovery,” they write, “the key to winning the race is not to compete against machines but to compete with machines.”

Times have changed we must change with them. The players at Romneys retreat are out of touch, and care more about money and politics than actually trying to relate to the middle class . They will not tell you the truth and only throw blame on Obama for every sneeze in America.

This is not unusual these people get together periodically and reminisce about the good old days when they got Adolph Hitler elected in Germany….. And we all know how that worked out.

It’s time we start arresting the leaders [the Koch’s] of this totalitarian cabal and charge them with treason. Then we should begin taxing the rest of these fascist pigs until they bleed………… Just because they have money these people really believe It’s OK to take away the rights of average Americans. BTW, the money they do have was stolen from those same average Americans........... They have taken their agenda of greed way too far...... For 20 years they were eating the fat of the land but in the last 12 years they have been eating into the flesh and bone; Enough is Enough!!!!!

There's a lot of people who support leftist policy on here through out the day. Are lunch breaks really several hours for you? Or is unemployment that much of a joy that you want more of it? Or do you have a job on the Obama to post comments on here?

A meeting of the 1% (and their money) to discuss strategy and manure…er…maneuvers concerning Foreign and Domestic Policy. Benghazi? Romney is still trying to make it look like the Twin Towers, only Romney isn't getting the wave of scandal he thought he would--mostly because it isn't even remotely close to the devastation that 9/11 in 2001 created. The Romney/Ryan GOP are desperately trying to make it "look" like another Twin Towers disaster, but even the parents of the American's who lost their lives don't want Romney/Ryan using their sons death for political gain.

Oh yes, Libya. Did I mention that Libya has oil AND Natural Gas? Oil--it's always oil. Desert Shield/Storm was about oil, Kuwait's oil. Then it was Iraq for oil (Towers? Yes, that was a way in.) Afghanistan for Bin Laden and strategic placement of troops for land and water-way for supplies. And if Romney/Ryan and the 1% Go-To-War Constituents have their way, Libya is definitely on the table.

TO: no more filbert who wrote:

"There's a lot of people who support leftist policy on here through out the day. Are lunch breaks really several hours for you? Or is unemployment that much of a joy that you want more of it?..."

Uh, I can tell you in 2 words what we DON'T want:

Mitt Romney.

Obama/Biden 2012

TO: JMagnum who wrote:

"...Oh yes, Libya. Did I mention that Libya has oil AND Natural Gas?..."

Well that just freaking figures, doesn't it!

Obama/Biden 2012

How delightful - a bunch of rich white guys having a circle jerk in the Big Apple. No women invited but you can bet that the high priced "escorts" will be busy.

There is a Jimmy Johns downstairs in the building I work in. I occasionally went down there and got a sandwich (good bread). You can bet your butt I won't be going there anymore after finding the owner is a big donor to Romney.

@filbert;

Or is unemployment that much of a joy that you want more of it? Or is unemployment that much of a joy that you want more of it? Or do you have a job on the Obama to post comments on here?

Umm not any longer it is at 7.4%, for whites.around 9.7% for latinos, around 14% for blacks. We have had to, and are having to adjust to automation, outsourcing, people just plain giving up the search,gridlock in congress,and the senate, people rejecting higher education. Traditiotnally the rate for blacks has been double that of whites since 1972.

But hey these things are all Obamas fault ,right?lol

Or do you have a job on the Obama to post comments on here?

What? lol I feel I have a job to protect America from Romneys specious ways, and Romneys way of handling foreign affairs,and other countries. which scares me much more than the economy.

Mitt Romney was not a businessman; he was a master financial speculator who bought, sold, flipped, and stripped businesses. He did not build enterprises the old-fashioned way—out of inspiration, perspiration, and a long slog in the free market fostering a new product, service, or process of production. Instead, he spent his 15 years raising debt in prodigious amounts on Wall Street so that Bain could purchase the pots and pans and castoffs of corporate America, leverage them to the hilt, gussy them up as reborn “roll-ups,” and then deliver them back to Wall Street for resale—the faster the better. - Former Reagan Budget Director David Stockman

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/15/1144927/-Mitt-Romney-s-Life-Story-Lying-Stealing-Destroying-Jobs?detail=hide

If you are hearing about a company named Sensata, here is the story. Right now this company is moving equipment out of a factory in Freeport, Il. and shipping it to China. They are making the workers there train their Chinese replacements. And at the end of the year they are laying off the American workers. The workers have set up a camp across from the factory and have named it Bainport. (please click!) Supporters are trying to block the trucks, and some have been arrested. This is all happening right now, even as Mitt Romney says he wants to "get tough on China."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/here-is-what-is-happening_b_1967668.html

Those "six studies" of their tax cut plan Robme and lyin' Ryan are CONNING the people about?!?!

Those are very questionable. Some of them are blogs. Some of them are from the AEI [American Enterprise Institute], which is hardly an independent group,” Wallace said. “One of them is from a guy who is — a blog from a guy who was a top adviser to George W. Bush. These are hardly nonpartisan studies.”

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/romney-challenged-on-six-studies-validating-tax-plan.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

Yet all the Obama haters will cover their eyes and plug their ears and yell:nahnahnahnah!!! Yep, it will be a damn rude awakening for these GOP PARTY FIRST worshippers when they find out they are nothing to their overlords but just a vote to be used!!

A thousand bucks says they check all recording devices at the door... guns okay, recorders not... that way none of that 47% @!$%# gets out.

But I must remind them... recorders don't destroy campaigns, people do.

If they didn't need writing instruments to write checks, they'd be banned at the door as well...

Why is it we aren't allowed into what could be the only place where Romney says what he really means? Damn.

As they dine on $25,000 a plate dinners and speak of Family Values, I'll bet every high paid hooker in the Western Hemisphere is on her/his way to NYC.

Q22,

You're not as smart as Homer.

Try reading a textbook that was not twisted by the Texas board of education.

Q22

Tax revenue before the Bush tax cuts were $900b, in 2008 revenue was up to 1.032t. What unpaid tax cuts? Federal revenue went up, not down.

brainiac,

1. revenue does not equal paying for tax cuts. If you get a temporary raise but spend it elsewhere instead of on your bills, your bills are still there.

2. for tax cuts to be permanent, they have to be paid for. Since Bush never made spending cuts to offset those tax cuts, they are not paid for, and they are still temporary.

3. since Bush got extra revenue, explain to me why did he continue to borrow.

4. the increase in the revenue was temporary, not long term.

5. actual revenue is time specific for that particualar time budget (for eaxample you quoted 2008). For future budgets, it's projected, and if you had any clue, you would know that projected does not equal to actual. Many times projected is less than actual thus resultin in deficit.

6. There is no single policy we have passed that has added as much to the debt, or that is projected to add as much to the debt in the future, as the Bush tax cuts.

why don't you learn a little about what PERMANENT tax cuts are before you make a fool of yourself.

Q22

Passed by Democrats in the House and Senate.

yes, any Congressman(woman) will tell you that their vote was based on "evidence" presented by the President of United States of America which turned out to be bunch of crap. Bush used fiction as facts and got his vote. So your correct response should be that the wars were passed by Congress (both D & R) but because they were lied to. Had they known what they know now, there would be no war in Iraq.

Sponsored by Ted Kennedy and passed by Democrats in the House and Senate

did you puill that out of your azz?

It was sponsored by Speaker Dennis Hastert - a REPUBLICAN

Here is who voted for it and note that Kennedy is NOT one of them, and the majority ARE Republicans:

YEAs ---54

Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Campbell (R-CO)
Carper (D-DE)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McConnell (R-KY)
Miller (D-GA)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-NE)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Wyden (D-OR)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00459

Mortgage??? You mean debt? The same debt he inherited? The same debt that Romney will inherit from Obama?

no, when I say Bush mortgage I mean the debt that Bush added. On top of the debt that Bush added, there is Bush mortgage interest wich is about a quarter of a trillion a year. That's over $200 billion dollars that we pay for interest, and that money could be used on making sure that every single child in the most powerful, and richest country in the world has health insurance.

The 1%ers!!!!

Interesting read for you 47%ers who are going to vote for Romney:

"In their eyes, the economic top 1% of Americans are the ones who count. Investors and their inheritors are favored — a good explanation of why George W. Bush has cut taxes on both dividends and estates, where most of the benefit goes to the top 1%."

"Debt and deficits: Whenever a Bush is president, private debt and government deficits seem to grow. Middle- and low-income Americans borrow to offset the income squeeze of recessions. The hallmark of Bush economics during both presidencies has been favoritism toward capital over workers. Federal budget deficits have soared because of a combination of upper-bracket tax favors, middle-income job shrinkage, big federal spending to hype election-year economic growth, huge defense outlays and overseas military spending for the wars in Iraq and elsewhere. Imperial hubris costs a lot of money."

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0208-05.htm

OBAMA/BIDEN....2012!!!!

TO: G-Dog-787120 who wrote:

"Hobnobbing with the billionaires - you just know they are talking with Mitt about all the ways they want to help the middle class!"

NOT!

Obama/Biden 2012

google: obama october surprise iran

Really PC -- do us middle class identify with Beyonce & JZ, George Clooney, Hedge Fund Managers, George Soros, Bill Gates, Carlos Slim......I could go on but your empty suit in the WH does. Funny you don't mention that FACT!!!! I guess for you and your libbie friends that are myopic and hopelessly lost in your talking points don't see or WANT to see you're hypocrisy. This is what happens when your on the dole and don't want your freebies to go away!

Pcalif,

Really.. you think that the hard working middle class Americans Identify with Obama? After all he is doing the same thing with his rich Hollywood fundraisers..

your just another partisan hackjob like Fiesty, at least she gets paid to post her dribble and talking points here.

Obama has had more star-studded events with multimillionaires and tech billionaires than Romney could imagine. But this event makes the news? Nice try NBC

Dotties girl

Really PC -- do us middle class identify with Beyonce & JZ, George Clooney, Hedge Fund Managers, George Soros, Bill Gates, Carlos Slim......I could go on but your empty suit in the WH does.

No Dotties girl The

Really PC -- do us middle class identify with Beyonce & JZ, George Clooney, Hedge Fund Managers, George Soros, Bill Gates, Carlos Slim.....

Well, Dottie - at least the folks listed above are interested in strengthening the middle-class, vs. the GOPTP Richy Riches that are hell-bent on destroying it.

Dottie's Girl - we identify with people who actually care about other people so, yes, we identify with George Clooney, Beyonce, Bill Gates, etc. Unlike you, who don't identify with anyone but gladly spout any nonsense FOX feeds you, we know when people are genuine and not liars like your group.

Oh, buy the way, you should really learn some facts instead of the "being on the dole" nonsense. Many of us are at work; some have retired; and all are doing more for the country - every day - than your ilk.

You might want to retake the grammar part of your English course - you clearly failed it!

Obama/Biden 2012

No Dotties girl

The movie stars for President Obama don't mind paying their fair share of taxes.

Really.. you think that the hard working middle class Americans Identify with Obama?

Ummmm.....do you think they identify with the tools in the GOP that believe that everyone collecting a government check doesn't take personal responsibility....including all of those working middle class seniors collecting social security, including all of the soldiers fighting for those very same tools right to express their lies?

N.Y.C. has some big Cesspools for Romney's Buddies, can they all fit ???????????

Beverly in Chicago

No Dotties girl

The movie stars for President Obama don't mind paying their fair share of taxes.

and what is that FAIR SHARE AGAIN? Seriously unhinged one, do enlighten us all with your wisdom and knowledge.

Bev stick to seeing black helicopters and racists behind every corner.

Dotties Girl

Celebrity endorsements make a difference when they confirm your own view. I do not believe they change anyone's view.

When a bunch of rich guys endorse Romney, I think they are pursuing their own self-interest.

When rich celebrities endorse Obama, I think they are endorsing him despite facing a higher tax rate.

That causes me to think of them as more selfless in their endorsement of Obama and I applaud them for it.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

"Top Romney donors gather for exclusive retreat in New York City"

100% proof that there is no God!! No God would allow that much evil to gather in one place without taking advantage of the perfect opportunity to rid the earth of them all at once.

If you go out on the sea tonight, you're in for a big surprise.

If you don't have a billion dollars, you better go in disguise.

For every fatcat that ever there was...

Will gather there for certain because,

Tonight's the night the plutocrats have their picnic.

pathetic excuse for Americans...trump the MOST pathetic BLOW HARD ....

non stop talking with nothing to say.

The Message Keeps Getting Clearer

ryan/romney care not for 98% of Americans..

VOTE OBAMA/Biden 2012

The GOP Tea Partiers blame the news media so much, it's no surprise that they've said on the grapevine that if they get Romney and Ryan into the White House, they'll make sure that FREEDOM OF THE PRESS is curtailed in the name of their version of national security, and, their Executive Administration will be the most "closed-door," and the most secretive plutocratic reign of right-wing lobby-friendliness that this country will have never seen.

Lobbyists Ready For A Comeback Under Romney

President Barack Obama's gone further than any president to keep lobbyists out of the White House -- even signing executive orders to do it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/15/lobbyists-ready-comeback-mitt-romney_n_1967887.html

Could Johnson be a factor?

definitely and I would say a benefit to Obama. However Obama has a dismal record and had a poor performance last debate. His foreign policy isnt shaping up to be a benefit to Obama either.

I think this coming Pres debate will be telling. Obama is pressued to perform better and Romney is expected to have encore performance. I also expect some 47% comments from Obama

Caesar,

Obama's "foreign policy" amounts to more than the last 5 weeks and has generally been praised by most "non-entertainers" on both team red and team blue, which is why it wasn't considered to be a factor in the election.

Foreign policy won't be in the top 3 in the exit polling...

The President was so bad in debate #1 that he would have to send Clint's chair to do any worse, so barring that, the MSM will declare the President the winner of #2 and all eyes will be on the "crucial" third debate. Why have 3 debates if the final one isn't going to be the "rubber match"? It is preordained to be "Must Watch TV"...

I don't think Johnson will be a factor like Nader was in 2000 at all. But I agree that the person he would take votes from is most likely the challenger.

Yes Danger . In fact there was quite an effort to remove Him from the Va. ballot from Romney surrogates.

Where's that dingle poster when you need him...

That guy is cuckoo for Johnson.

I'm voting for Johnson this election.

A third party candidate won't be a factor if folks learn that Romney dodged the draft, dodged paying taxes, his business career consisted of being a good salesman, and thinks 47% of the population will never take responsibility for themselves. The last part of the statement was defended by the right wingers until Romney himself said it was wrong. Of course he's lying now; it was apparent that he meant what he said to that room of donors.

Obama's "foreign policy" amounts to more than the last 5 weeks and has generally been praised by most "non-entertainers" on both team red and team blue,

Is that because he adopted Bush's policies? I dont think libya 1 (not the last 5 weeks) was highly praised. Iraq wasn't Obama's doing either, see Status of Forces Agreement Iraq. Bin Laden, sure. It was good to get him but more to foreign policy than that. Remember dangerfield, Obama is the recipient of the coveted Peace Prize just for not being Bush.

Foreign policy won't be in the top 3 in the exit polling...

maybe, maybe not however it has been in the vp debate it will be in the next and it will be a factor for me.

That guy is cuckoo for Johnson.

and devie you're cuckoo for Obama, a proven failure. But that dingle guy, he was pretty respectful. You hard lefties, not so much

Caesar-

"Democracy is messy...." SecDef Donald Rumsfeld...and he was right about that.

It is what it is (The Obama administration's Foreign Policy), and partisans on both sides always prefer the "entertainers" to the rational voices, so I won't spoil anybody's fun.

Who is advising the President?

Who is advising the challenger?

What are their "track records"

How do the STATED policies and goals of the two candidates differ?

On a personal note...As one of the evil 1% and someone who regularly travels abroad, I can state from personal experience that it has been better to be an American in the eyes of our allies and enemies the past 3 plus years than in the years preceding...

Dangerfield: everyone complained about President Obama receiving the Nobel Peace Prize.

No one complained enough about President George W. Bush and VP Cheney to give them the prize they deserved, war crimes trials.

BTW: like the new avatar.

On a personal note...As one of the evil 1% and someone who regularly travels abroad, I can state from personal experience that it has been better to be an American in the eyes of our allies and enemies the past 3 plus years than in the years preceding...

not to bag on Clinton, but our enemies loved us then too.

No one complained enough about President George W. Bush and VP Cheney to give them the prize they deserved, war crimes trials.

for what exactly? questionable intel that our Congress was so readily accepting to authorize use of force? Im sure Obama and his violation of the War Powers Resolution of 1973 is trial worthy right?

Well, I'm certainly voting Libertarian, but then again, I voted for Obama/Biden four years ago. There's no way I could vote for Romney/Ryan and live with my decision.

Obama lost my vote this election cycle mainly due to two things...his refusal to "drill, baby, drill" (working towards mining/using fossil fuels in a cleaner manner) and above all, his ruling that would institute his version of the "Dream Act" (amnesty for illegal aliens' children).

Where do I start with Romney?? Let's see...he's a businessman, with the idea that he can fix the economy like he would flip one of his Bain Capital acquisitions back in the day. Here's something you may not have thought about, Mitt....you can't "lay off" the poor, the elderly, the infirm! What is your plan to help these people be able to afford even the most basic living expenses? Oh, that's right....he'll slash gov't funding for "entitlements" and "safety nets"...he'll do nothing to curb the cost of healthcare...nothing to curb annual double-digit college tuition increases. Oh, but there won't be any cutting of the deficit, because he'll make sure to increase defense spending (his talk of arming Syrian rebels and possible first strikes on Iran...sounds like little Bush, doesn't it?). Oh, and don't forget...his plan on decreasing the tax rate on the "over-taxed" wealthy class, while eliminating the tax breaks the middle class relies on to help get by. And, you can bet your a$$ he'll work on repealing Roe vs Wade and the Minimum Wage Law, and all the while, he'll be talking the "get tough on China" rhetoric, while at the same time, encouraging American businesses to outsource and offshore as many jobs as they can to China, India, Mexico.

No, Obama lost my vote because of his lack of a backbone in dealing with Boehner/Cantor/ McConnell and the Tea Party kids in Congress. And I'd have to be freakin' brain-damaged to vote a Republican ticket hellbent on destroying the Middle Class, just so the uber-wealthy can make a few extra bucks (relatively speaking).

Yeah, Gary Johnson, though he does have some rightwing ideas that I don't agree with, has some very sound ideas, as well. I love the idea of eliminating the IRS and collecting a consumption tax on goods and services. This way, when Mitt goes to buy his next summer home or yacht, he'll pay a fixed percentage of his purchase price to the federal government....the same percentage that someone on Welfare or Social Security would pay when they buy a dozen eggs at the grocery store. It would hurt both the rich and the poor evenly. I like the legalization of marijuana idea. Regulate it like we do alcohol. Tax it like alcohol. Because, ultimately, what I choose to do behind closed doors is nobody's business but my own. I LOVE the idea of getting out of the World Police Force business....bring all of our troops home....today!! And, we can add them to our border patrols and ICE agents to round up and deport ALL illegal aliens (with their anchor babies) and man the borders with enough eyes and rifle scopes to take care of the HUGE leaks in our borders, especially to the south. I like the idea of subsidizing companies that hire American workers, while severely penalizing and even prosecuting business owners who outsource jobs overseas. All of these ideas put AMERICANS first, with no preference towards the wealthy with the ludicrous idea that giving them tax breaks will magically create jobs!

You want a candidate for president that is looking out for America and ALL of its citizens? Vote Libertarian on Nov. 6!!

Do not "rag(?)" on President Clinton...

The surviving terrorists responsible for the first attack on the WTC were (with the exception of Yasin, who was probably executed in Iraq.) captured, tried, and convicted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing

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When he retaliated for attacks on our embassies, he was accused of playing "wag the dog" by the loyal opposition...

On August 7, between 10:30 am and 10:40 am local time (3:30–3:40 am Washington time), suicide bombers in trucks laden with explosives parked outside the embassies in Dar es Salaam and Nairobi, and almost simultaneously detonated...

...In response to the bombings, President Bill Clinton ordered Operation Infinite Reach, a series of cruise missile strikes on targets in Sudan and Afghanistan on August 20, 1998, announcing the planned strike in a prime time address on American television.

The 9/11 Commission Report evaluated such so-called "Wag the Dog" theories (the strikes being motivated to deflect attention from domestic, political troubles), and found no reason to believe them, nor disbelieve the testimony and assertions of former President Clinton, former Vice President Gore, CIA Chief Tenet, nor former security advisors Berger and Clarke that the destruction of Al Shifa was still, as of 2004, a justifible national security target. Page 118.

The U.S. Justice Department, under President George W. Bush, produced an alleged al-Qaeda defector as a witness on February 13, 2001, in its ongoing case against Osama Bin Laden. The witness, Jamal al-Fadl, testified that Al Qaeda operatives he was involved with had been engaged in manufacturing chemical weapons in Khartoum, Sudan, around 1993 or 1994. Page 524.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_pharmaceutical_factory

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Both the Clinton Administration and the Bush Administration have been criticized for failing to respond militarily to the attack on the USS Cole before September 11, 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing

The USS Cole was attacked three weeks before election day 2000. The investigation was ongoing at the time of President Bush's inauguration...

President Clinton knew the threat and did his best to act on it...

Richard Clarke's Against All Enemies is a pretty good account of the era...

aahhhhhh another "victim". LOL LOL LOL

Dotties Girl - What crawled up your privilege @$$??? We are not victims!!! We are Americans concerned about our Country and that Gov. Romeny is being sold to the highest bidder instead of standing for all Americans and not just top 1%.

Again my perceptions is that Gov. Romeny only wants to be President so that he can one up his father! Period! - He does care about the poor, women or minorities in this country. Only if you are "Rich and White".

Self Educated Voter - you have an education - Dottie has none and it shows. My guess is she still lives at home with Mom and Dad and is leeching off them. I doubt she's priviledged - just stupid.

You're absolutely right about Romney's goals. He's totally transparent and intelligent people are seeing right through him.

Obama/Biden 2012

Police have arrested three people for blocking the removal of equipment from the Sensata Technologies plant in Freeport, Illinois. Workers at Sensata have set up an encampment called "Bainport" across the street from the facility to protest plans by Bain Capital to close the plant and move operations to China, taking 170 jobs with it. Sensata is owned by Bain Capital, the private equity firm co-founded by Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney. We hear from two of the detained protesters: Karri Penniston, 16, whose mother works at Sensata, and Debi Kempel, a Bainport supporter from nearby Pearl City.

ROMNEY IS A TOOL

Why the hell would anyone want to go to NYC?

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Or London, or Paris or Rome...A true citizen of the world!

Yeah, nothing to see here-move along!

"Nobody goes there anymore...It's too crowded" YOGI BERRA

Why the hell would anyone want to go to NYC?

Typical GOPTP low-information poster .. refuses to get off the porch swing, get their hands dirty and experience the world, but sure has a lot of opinions and assumptions.

Typical GOPTP low-information poster ..

because your so highly informed. its funny how you Progressives think you have some sort of better insight than anyone else. then again in your world, unicorns and faeries exist

I guess you haven't heard that on average, Democrats are better educated, have more college degrees, and a higher HHI. And we actually think experiencing the world is a good thing. It's called enlightenment.

Caesar Augustus-

Typical GOPTP low-information poster ..

because your so highly informed.

Three and a half years into the presidency of Barack Obama, 17 percent of registered voters still believe that he is a Muslim despite the fact that he is a Christian.

Yeah we have liberal low information voters but 17%..? Really?

no they've been here for the last 4 yrs in the WH along with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Hillary, Jay Carney, David Axelrod -- the others are brought in when needed: Hollywood elite, Hedgefund Mgrs, Carlos Slim, Warren Buffet, etc. etc. Better answer your phone I think the "pot" is calling for the "kettle".

Dotties,

Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut for fear of confirming the speculation.

Jefferson,

Sometimes it's better to heed your own advice first before passing it off on someone else as being sound. Especially after the moronic Ghostbusters lunacy. Don't take it personally. Your free advice is worth every penny.

Jefferson, yes; Hamilton, no Sometimes its better to keep your mouth shut for fear of confirming the speculation.

I going to confirm the speculation that Dotties girl is a racist. Agree with me or not.

Don't let the streams cross! Who you gonna call?

The more that I think about it...

Barack Obama as "Winston Zeddmore," the Ernie Hudson character, with all apologies to skin color and based entirely on projected personal attributes.

Joe Biden as "Dr. Raymond Stantz (Ray)," the Dan Aykroyd character.

Bill Clinton as "Dr. Peter Venkman," the Bill Murray character.

David Axelrod as "Dr. Egon Spengler," the Harold Ramis character.

Mitt & Ann Romney and Paul Ryan taking turns as "Dana Barrett," the Sigourney Weaver character.

Eric Fehrnstrom as "Louis Tully," the Rick Moranis character.

Sean Hannity as "Walter Peck," the William Atherton character. ("Yes, it's true, this man has no dic....")

$10,000.00 bet they frisk the help for cell phone cameras.

COinFL,

Did you happen to catch this?

The son of U.S. Senate candidate Tommy Thompson was caught on video suggesting voters this fall should send President Barack Obama back "to Kenya," but later apologized through the campaign.

Jason Thompson, the son of the former governor, made the comments on Sunday during a brunch hosted by the Kenosha County Republican Party.

"We have the opportunity to send President Obama back to Chicago — or Kenya," said Jason Thompson, an attorney at a large Milwaukee law firm.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/

Feisty -- It's disturbing that Jason Thompson, an attorney, and thus a person presumably of at least average intelligence and with the ability to evaluate evidence to the contrary would promote the birther nonsense.

I guess it's just yet another instance of a Republican knowingly throwing out a lie into the political discourse.

It just shows their hate for this President.

Good one!

Sorry, forgot to add link:

Inquirer Editorial: Obama will do a better job:

http://articles.philly.com/2012-10-14/news/34449767_1_job-creators-economic-policies-president-obama

Thanks for sharing that endorsement, JoAnne. Seems like they've seen the true Romney.

This brings up an interesting point...do newspaper endorsements matter anymore? It seems like you can guess the candidate the newspaper is going to endorse ahead of time. Washington Post - Democrat; Washington Times - Republican; New York Times - Democrat; New York Post - Republican. I think Boston is similar with the Globe and the Herald and Chicago is similar with the Sun-Times and Tribune.

Thoughts?

To add to the above: Did they used to mean a lot "back in the day"? I.e., pre-internet.

Grimey: "Back in the day"??? "i.e., pre-Internet"? Listen here, you little whippersnapper.....

Okay, seriously.....I suppose I would say that newspaper endorsements today probably matter more in local off-term elections, where name recognition isn't always there, people might not be as familiar with a candidate's record, and most candidates can't afford the high cost of advertising. In terms of a presidential election, I doubt that they could turn around a race in which one candidate or the other was already comfortable ahead.

On the other hand, I can't think of a single candidate who wouldn't crave getting a major paper's endorsement, if only to trumpet it in their campaign ads on tv, and many of the "gotcha" comments we seem to bandy about with such glee anymore still come from responses candidates make while being interviewed by various paper's editorial boards.

But to get to the heart of your question - yes, print newspaper readership is down considerable from "back in the day". Today's elections are probably decided much more on the basis of million-dollar tv ad campaigns, obviously biased cable tv and radio talk shows, viral Internet videos, unsubstantiated chain e-mails, and un-fact-checked political blogs, where anyone and everyone with access to a keyboard can claim to be a "journalist". There's a lot to be said for the technology today, especially in that candidates can no longer hide from their past "mis-statements" - i.e. Romney and the 47% comment - but the technology also panders to our short attention spans and even shorter memories, and I don't think the often frantic pace at which "facts" and information are disseminated today are always necessarily a good thing.

And as someone who grew up reading what candidates actually had to say for themselves and following their voting records in those ancient print newspapers and watching the debates and deciding their outcome for myself before the advent of "instant spin-masters" telling me what I just heard - well, sorry, but I thought there was a lot more integrity and substance to presidential campaigns "back in the day" than there is today.

Now, young man - go to your room and give yourself another time-out for implying I've got one foot in the grave again. And while you're at it, get off of my lawn!

JoAnne...

That was a great answer!!!!!! :-)

Now if you'll excuse me, I must serve my timeout. ;-)

No representation without TAXATION

Well, I mean, Obama did classify the entire south as "hiding behind their guns and their religions", but we know that most lefties agree with this, applaud this statement, and love repeating it. According to them, when a leftist makes a generalized statement he's speaking the truth, yet when a righty does, he's being mean, rude, inconsiderate, stupid, etc.

Jo Anne,

You are right about everything, except about Romney being a Mass Moderate. He was actually (for once) telling the truth when he told us he was a severely conservative governor. Sure, he got Romneycare passed (not really a hard sell with Democrats) but he also issued 844 vetoes. Almost all of them were easily overriden by the Legislature. Hard to understand how he can use that record to brag about reaching across the aisle, unless he meant to slap someone....

You should read my earlier post and see what kind of crowd your empty suit hangs with. By the way I've posted many times for someone to point out a poor or middle class politician in Congress, Senate or the WH??? Wow no takers huh!

At least I bet there are actual women in that crowd. :)

By the way I've posted many times for someone to point out a poor or middle class politician in Congress, Senate or the WH??? Wow no takers huh!

Joe "Deadbeat Daddie" Walsh, a bonafide deadbeat politician for the deadbeat conservative GOPTP party. Will that get the Doltish Deadbeat Dottie to STFU?

Class Warfare Buffet

From the article above:

Some of the Romney campaign's biggest benefactors from across the country will meet at New York's Waldorf-Astoria hotel for the two-day confab…

…where the Governor will once again tell his Elitist-Uber-Wealthy constituents how they loath the 47% of America’s middle class.

Then as they gorge themselves on lobster and champagne brought from the kitchen by minimum wage servants, they will laugh and gloat how they are on the brink of destroying the middle class in America for good and making the US a third world nation.

For desert, they will have a huge helping of Faux right-wing propaganda topped with a great big red cherry of Rove/Luntz lies.

Then they will trash the banquet hall of the Waldorf-Astoria and blame President Obama for the mess they left.

Salud

Dottie's Girl - Joe Biden would be a good example of a middle class politician. Now go away - you have your name.

Obama/Biden 2012

TO: Dotties girl who wrote:

"You should read my earlier post and see what kind of crowd your empty suit hangs with. By the way I've posted many times for someone to point out a poor or middle class politician in Congress, Senate or the WH??? Wow no takers huh!"

Vice President Job Biden, middle class politician who served in Congress and now serves in the White House. Joe Biden has never been rich, nor did he ever take government money like the Ryan Family and the Romney Family did.

Why would you need someone to point that out to you?

Don't Republicans EVER listen to anybody instead of making things up that you want to believe?

Obama/Biden 2012

Why are you concerned with COLA increases? Your party has wanted to do away with Social Security altogether since the 1930s.

Dottie's Girl, the point is that Obama got a COLA increase for social security, unlike the last seated President. I worked with the recipients of social security benefits and I saw that they had not gotten an increase since 2009. Now if Romney/Ryan get in they want to "change it". Give me a break, the GOP never liked it, they have always referred to it as "entitlements". And like Medicare, they can't stand it. Please stop the BS.

How stupid is Jimmy Johns to endorse Romney?

I quit eating their @!$%#ty sandwiches years ago, when Mr. Jimmy decided it was a good idea to cut back meat by 50%!

If I want a salad, I'll go to a salad bar, not a sub-shop!

PS: If you want a sub which will make your knees weak, try Jersey Mike's! Mmmm...

Ms. Redhead -

I quit eating their @!$%#ty sandwiches years ago,

First Chick-fil-a-$#@%, now Jimmy John's?

Just another right-wing greasy-spoon Democrats won't go to.

In the end, Democrats will eat better and live longer than our right-wing friends.

In fact, that's not a bad idea.

A new fast-food chicken place for Faux loving psychos called "Right Wings".

There motto is, "First, we screw you at the cash-register, then we give you diarrhea"!

Salud

There motto is, "First, we screw you at the cash-register, then we give you diarrhea"!

Tomas,

I am so glad I didn't take a sip of Diet Coke prior to reading that! ROTFLMAO!

Salud!

I do not know what a JJ's is but I will boycott them, go to a local shop.

Obama/Biden 2012

Why are people telling dottie to leave? Are public forums only meant for the left to share their thoughts and values, and everyone else just needs to shut up and respect them, or else their party members will be sent out to the death camps?

I worked on Mittnoid's mother (Lenore) campaign. He was then, and is now, an "entitled to it, gotta have it...I'll hold my breath until I get it" snot nose kid! Loved him Mother and Dad. I'll bet you $10,000 he WILL do anything to win this election and he is buttressed by a species of man that will help him. $10,000?

I just love this quote from the article:

other business leaders to discuss issues surrounding job creation - still the primary focus of the Romney campaign.

Bwaahahahahahaha! I wonder how much the RMoney camp paid to have Haake include that in his article?

IF this person is a "reporter/journalist" there would be no mention of "Job CREATION" being the primary focus of their campaign since they have no intention of creating jobs for Americans.

To put it more accurately, the "job creators" as they like to call themselves, are the focus of this little "retreat" they are having, so they can affirm that they are spending enough money to buy, err, win the election.

@FZ - the only jobs Myth & his cronies want to create are the kind that pay wages so low that workers remain among the working-poor - he/they care nothing about anything except making piles more money for the 1%. Labor is the most expensive cost, so a never-ending supply of low-wage workers is what they need to achieve their goal.

VOTE: O & Joe - 4 more!

KJNC-

Check out this article- gotta love the title:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/27/1030486/-America-s-Wealthiest-Are-Actually-Destructive-Economic-Parasites-See-for-Yourself

relevent intro:

If they sat in a chair for another decade -- and did absolutely nothing other than reinvest their yearly passive income -- they would end up with almost all of the remaining wealth of the nation. Through the economic magic of top-heavy compounding interest, indemnified shareholder dividends, the socialization of negligent losses in the private sector, and the lowest marginal tax rates in the nation's history -- regulation-free predatory capitalism has wiped out any meaningful future for the American people.

Check out BOTH charts in that article, BTW, it is a relatively quick read, unless you get so perturbed by the charts that you start to look into it more, then it kind of makes you want to throw up, or at least mourn for the halcyon days of Nixon and Ford!

They are looking for the Juggalettes.

It's funny, NBC gave that the title of the fundraiser, not the fundraiser itself, and you bought it, hook line and sinker.

And you commented . Must be a net?

How many middle class people went to the fund raiser dinners for Obama?

TO: d_m77 who wrote:

"Too bad this is open to the press, Mitt can't state his true feelings about the 47% now."

But I bet when Republicans refer to "the press" they're probably talking about Faux Noise.

Obama/Biden 2012

Boss Hogg 2013!

OBAMA/BIDEN!!!!!!!!!!!

The Undertaker 2017!

What kind of middle class family makes $250k?

Don't know. Romney said that 250K is middle class.

I guess if you make less than 50k your a slacker. If you make less than 25k your a moocher.

Mr. Romney's middle class