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Subscribe to RSSHigh stakes for tomorrow night’s debate… The town-hall format could prove or disprove that Romney is out of touch with middle-class concerns… What changed and what didn’t since the first debate… What if it’s the demography, stupid?... Ryan campaigns in Wisconsin and Ohio, while First Lady Michelle Obama is also in Ohio.
*** High stakes: With new national polls (Washington Post/ABC, Politico) showing a very close contest between President Obama and Mitt Romney, as well as tightening battleground-state internals that we’ve heard about, the stakes for tomorrow night’s debate couldn’t be any higher, especially for the incumbent president. Not only is there a sense of urgency for Obama to be more aggressive at this second presidential debate, the town-hall format presents an opportunity and challenge for Romney: It will either prove the Obama argument that the GOP nominee is out of touch with middle-class concerns, or it can help knock it down. We know Romney has been practicing for this debate out in the open (holding town halls, interacting more with voters). The president actually hasn’t done a town hall in a LONG time, let alone interact with actual reporters (but we digress). There’s the joke that tomorrow’s debate is the most important one since the last one -- or until the next one. But kidding aside, there’s a strong argument this debate is the most pivotal with next week’s debate destined as a coda (since it’s a one-topic debate on foreign policy).
Although President Obama has been more likeable in polls, Mitt Romney has had a lot more recent practice in town hall settings. NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports.
*** In touch or out of touch? What Romney accomplished with the first debate was to get into the game -- make the playoffs, if you will. What this debate now provides him is an opportunity to blow up the stereotype that he doesn’t understand the plight of the average American. This is THE reason the president has a firewall of sorts in the Midwest, and it’s why this debate is so crucial for him. If he can’t amplify the message his campaign has been making for months about Romney at a debate that features real people, then how is a third debate going to help? And while polls (including our recent NBC/WSJ/Marist surveys of the most important battleground states) have shown only a small movement, we’ve now reached the stage of the race when the small movement matters.
President Obama and Mitt Romney have been studying in virtual seclusion, preparing to fend off questions that have dogged their campaigns. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.
*** What changed and what didn’t since the first debate: According to the new Washington Post/ABC poll (conducted Oct. 10-13), some things DID change since the first debate. Per the poll, 35% say they have a better opinion of Romney (vs. 14% who have a worse opinion and 48% who say their views are unchanged). That’s compared with 19% who have a worse opinion of Obama (vs. 9% who have a better opinion of him and 70% who are unchanged). Also, Romney voters say they are more enthusiastic about their candidate than they were last month. But here’s what DIDN’T change: Obama is up by Romney among three points among likely voters, 49%-46% (compared with 49%-47% before the debate), and seven points among registered voters, 50%-43% (vs. 49%-44% last month). What’s more, Obama’s approval rating is at or above 50%, where it was in September. The same dynamic is true of the new Politico/George Washington University poll -- Romney is viewed as more likeable, while the head-to-head matchup is essentially unchanged.
How will this week's town hall debate format benefit and work against both Mitt Romney and President Obama? What to make of the recent round of polls? NBC News' Chuck Todd joins Morning Joe to discuss.
*** What if it's the demography, stupid: One of the more powerful undercurrents of this election has been the demographic advantage for the Democrats that every poll has found, with the degree of the advantage dependent on enthusiasm levels. The bottom line: Demography is an advantage for President Obama -- and a challenge for Mitt Romney. Our pollsters did an in-depth look at these fundamental shifts using all of the data we’ve collected over the last four month for the national NBC/WSJ poll. Our pollsters merged the numbers among likely voters from our two post-convention surveys from September, as well as our pre-convention June, July, and August polls and treated them as separate MEGA-surveys to compare with the 2008 exit poll. The results: Obama has seen erosion among men, whites (especially white independents), Midwest voters, and independents from what we saw in the 2008 exit poll. But that erosion has been offset somewhat by gains among Latinos (winning them 66%-32% in '08 vs. 67%-25% June-Aug. and 71%-22% in Sept.), Democrats (from 89%-10% in '08 to 92%-5% June-Aug. and 93%-5% in Sept.), and union households (from 59%-39% in '08 to 59%-36% in June-Aug. and 61%-34% in Sept.).
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In the final push in the 2012 presidential election, candidates Mitt Romney and Barack Obama make their last appeals to voters.
*** What to watch for on Election Night: But most remarkably, Obama has remained steady with African Americans (95%-4% in '08, 95%-3% June-Aug., and 93%-3% in Sept.) women (from 56%-43% in '08 to 52%-42% June-Aug. and 54%-42% in Sept.) white women (46%-53% in '08 vs. 42%-51% June-Aug. and 43%-54% in Sept.), and young voters 18-29 (from 66%-32% in '08 to 53%-42% June-Aug. and 60%-35% in Sept.). This is all a challenge for Romney: If he is hitting numbers among these demographic groups close to what John McCain got four years ago -- when he lost 53%-46% -- it will be very difficult to keep Obama below 50% on Election Night. So three weeks from now, when you're looking at the early exit polls, these demographic numbers will be important to follow: Is Obama winning Latinos by more than 66%? Is he up by double digits with women? Is he is in the 60% range with the youngest voters? And is he getting 40% of the white vote? If the answer is yes, you're looking at an Obama victory; if it's no, that's what a Romney win looks like.
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President Barack Obama speaks at a campaign fundraiser at the JW Marriott Marquis Miami, Thursday, Oct. 11, 2012, in Miami.
*** How much of Romney’s gains have come from red states? So here is where Romney has made inroads since the ’08 exits, according to our merged data: with men, independents, and Midwest voters. And here is where Obama’s coalition is pretty much intact (or better): with African Americans, Latinos, and women. But here is something to chew on regarding Romney’s inroads: How much of it is coming from red states that won’t decide this election? In 2008, McCain won the red states, 55%-43%. Yet our merged numbers show Romney up there 56%-37% in June-Aug. and 58%-38% in September. That’s compared with relatively stable numbers in the Democratic states (which Obama won 60%-38% in 2008 and where he was 56%-38% in June-Aug. and 60%-36% in September) and in the swing states (50%-48% for Obama in ’08 vs. 49%-43% in June-Aug. and 48%-48% in September). Also, another area where Romney has jumped up from McCain’s ‘08 number -- white evangelicals. Again, most of those voters reside in the red states.
*** On the trail: Paul Ryan holds a town hall in Waukesha, WI at 9:30 am ET before hitting a rally in Cincinnati, OH at 12:30 pm ET… First Lady Michelle Obama campaigns in Ohio, while Ann Romney is in Pennsylvania.
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Addressing the Lies:
What does a candidate do when their opponent blatantly lies, panders, flip-flops, and distorts the truth? That was the question facing President Obama in the first debate. His solution was to be presidential, polite, and passively allow the disingenuous comments to stand. Every day since that first debate the media has trumpeted the notion that Romney won that encounter.
On the other hand, Joe Biden knows that it is not the moderator's job to be a fact-checker; the moderator's job is to present the topics for discussion. Joe Biden had to be his own instant fact-checker. When he heard foolish talk that was intended to deceive, he called it for what it was: "malarkey". With a smile and laughter he telegraphed to the American voters that Ryan was lyin. He immediately spoke out with comments like, "Mathematically impossible". Much to the chagrin of the right wingers, Joe Biden clearly won that debate.
Tomorrow President Obama will return to the debate arena with Candy Crowley as the moderator. His task is similar to what my fellow progressives do every time we jump into "the pit" (aka First Thoughts). In addition to presenting our position, we too have to address the lies. We debunk the lies with facts, we address the flip-flops with more facts demonstrating the inconsistencies, and we know that we win debates with facts.
Let me be clear that our President has a much harder job than we amateur, unpaid bloggers. We can get away with calling Romney and Ryan liars. President Obama has to use a more respectful term. We can go to a fact-checker source and President Obama has to rely on his memory. We can use sarcasm and mockery, but the President cannot.
Tomorrow night I expect to see President Obama actively address Romney's falsehoods with facts and a touch of humor. Following a Town Hall format, I expect to see President Obama connect with the people in the hall and with those watching the debate from their living room. I expect Romney to say "I care about 100% of the people", but we know that is a lie as he only cares about himself and the wealthy 1%.
In a little more than 500 hours from now we will know if voters believe the Romney/Ryan lies or vote in favor of an improving economy, in favor of protecting women's economic and reproductive rights, in favor of keeping Medicare as it is, in favor of protecting Social Security, in favor of immigration reform that supports diversity, and in favor of tax reform that requires the wealthy to pay their fair share.
That should be an easy decision.
1. Ryan falsely claimed that"Medicare and Social Security are going bankrupt".
FACT: Medicare is able to meet 88 percent of its obligations in 2085, if zero changes are made.
FACT: Social Security is fully funded for another two decades. It can meet three-quarters of its benefits after that. Social Security's longevity can be assured without big changes/cuts.
RomneyRyan would cut 31 million people from health care. Ryan proposes cutting $1.4 trillion from Medicaid, removing around eleven million people from the program. The Romney-Ryan plan is estimated to remove about 44 million people.
2. At the presidential debate, Romney lied aggressively about his $5 trillion centerpiece tax cut many times:
The Tax Policy Center demonstrates that RyanRomney cannot cut taxes by 20%, without raising taxes on the rest of us, as it is mathematically impossible. The TPC says that even if loopholes & deductions for the rich were closed (greetings, overlord Norquist?), more revenue would still be needed. This means raising taxes on the middle class - while billionaire donor Sheldon Adelson receives a $2.3Billion tax cut.
Ryan said that TPC's evaluation was "discredited by six other studies."
In fact, those studies further prove that RomneyRyan would have to raise taxes on the middle class.
3. Rovian reverse finger-pointing: What Ryan didn't tell you at the V-P debate, is that HIS budget plan CUTS $716 billion from Medicare. He directs the $billions to the deficit, and tax cuts for the rich.
Notice RyanRomney propose a time-bomb voucher program, yet STILL make their $716 billion cut to Medicare. However from day one of Ryan's nomination, RomneyRyan told this GIANT LIE to seniors: "Obamacare takes $716 billion from Medicare to spend on Obamacare."
FACT: Obamacare SAVES $716 billion, and uses those funds to eliminate fraud and increase efficiency.
It will be interesting to see if the RWNJ’s abide by Ambassador Steven’s father’s wishes to back off with playing politics regarding the loss of his son.
Or will they continue to politicize his death for their own warped agenda?
Time will tell who will wait until the investigation is complete, when we have all the facts and those who will persist on trying to score political points off this tragedy…
The Romney Presidency
America is a center-right country and Romney will govern as a center-right president. At his core, Romney is a conservative businessman and his policy choices will be informed by that perspective. Also at that core is an honorable man who has lived a life of integrity and compasson, and the sleazy left wing smear campaign that suggests he's a felon who can't wait to throw granny out into the street is ludicrous beyond words.
A few weeks from now we will be hiring this man. A man who understands that government isn't the fountain of job creation in America, and that our country doesn't thrive and prosper because Congress passes a "jobs bill." Instead we will be hiring someone who recognizes that the best jobs program ever invented by mankind is a flourishing private sector that demands more and more workers. And we'll be hiring someone who will pursue policies that will enable that private sector to grow and thereby get the great American jobs machine back into gear.
That will be job one for this new president, but his next challenge will be equally important – steering our country onto a more sustainable fiscal course. Obama failed miserably at that job and on those grounds alone he fully deserves to be fired. Romney will face a daunting task as well, but it's time to give a new guy a crack at solving this problem.
Because as a center-right leader Romney will be well positioned to practice politics as the art of the possible, where "possible" means forging a pragmatic consensus among disparate points of view to make the difficult choices required to get our fiscal house in order. It's quite likely that neither the far left nor the far right will be happy with many of those choices, and Romney will need a thick skin to fend off attacks from both extremes. But his real challenge will be to display the skills necessary to bring the broader middle to agreement. Because even though "the middle" is by definition less extreme than either end, there is still plenty of room for people with opposing views to disagree on the best path going forward. And Romney's demonstrated leadership skills will surely be put to the test as he seeks to put the country on the center-right course necessary to gain control of our fiscal fate.
I'm cautously optimistic that this man can do that. Because Romney is looking more and more like the right man with the right skills and mindset who is coming along at the right time to lead a nation that is desperate for real leadership. He has his flaws just like we all do, but his particular blend of talents and life experience may be just what the doctor ordered to push us off square one and get the country moving again.
So when Romney wins next month, we all win right along with him.
I don’t know how many of the FR regular lefty liberals watched the Red Bull Stratos jump from 128,000 feet yesterday. Or how many knew about the rocket flight to re-supply the ISS by a privately owned for-profit corporation: Space Exploration Technologies Corp. If they were aware of these events and were bright enough to see their implications, it probably horrifies them!!!!!
This is the beginning of the commercialization of outer space by profit-making businesses. Yeah, businesses have been making profits in this area for decades as govt contractors and by launching satellites for communications. But, what’s happening now is that these businesses will be increasingly selling to other businesses and individuals directly. They will not be relying on the govt. teat. And that means they will be free to pursue business opportunities without govt interference. Imagine a company, say the mega-evil Exxon Mobil, in the future mining on an asteroid or another planet. How will the EPA claim the authority to regulate them??
The HORROR!!!!!!!
Is This Why Romney Won't Talk To Sensata Workers Whose Jobs Are Being Shipped To China?
Romney insists that he has nothing to do with Bain Capital anymore (his tax returns showed that he gets more than $400,000 a week from Bain investments).
While the workers and the town may suffer, Romney himself has done well as a result of Bain's work with the company. According to his recently released 2011 tax returns, Romney transferred $701,703 worth of Sensata stock to the Tyler Charitable Foundation, a 501(c)3 tax-exempt nonprofit controlled by Romney. The gift is listed on page 323 of the pdf, on form 8283 (below).
Moving the stock to his nonprofit brings Romney twin benefits. First, he gets to deduct the full value of the stock. At a 35 percent tax rate, that's nearly a $250,000 benefit. At 15 percent, it's just over $100,000.
Second, Romney is able to avoid paying capital gains taxes on the stock price increase. Romney's returns list no cost for the stock, and indicate he obtained them as part of a partnership interest in Bain. Avoiding capital gains taxes on the full increase would save an additional $100,000. In 2010, Romney gifted $170,000 worth of Sensata stock to his charity, saving $25,000 in capital gains taxes that year.
Cheryl Randecker, a Sensata worker facing an imminent layoff, said, "I could pay off my house with that [$25,000], and he doesn't need it anyway."
... Rebecca Wilkins, an attorney with Citizens for Tax Justice, said that Romney's move is a prime example of the way that the super-wealthy are able to game the charitable deduction while still holding on to their money.
When Romney released his most recent returns, his trustee explained that he declined to take roughly $2 million in charitable deductions for contributions for which he was eligible. He declined the deductions so that his tax rate wouldn't dip below 13 percent -- a marker he had set earlier when he said that there was no year he'd paid a rate lower than that.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/27/mitt-romney-sensata-tax-break_n_1920396.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012
BTW: If Romney amends his tax return after the election, he will be eligible to recoup the difference.
Romney also transferred nearly $220,000 worth of stock in Dunkin Donuts, another Bain investment, according to his returns.
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How anyone can vote for a man who refuses to show all his taxes to prove he is not a felon? That along is a compelling reason, not to mention, all the other scandalous things Romney has done to not put MYTH Romney in the White House. Romney and Ryan are serial liars!
Use you influence Romney and stop Sensata Workers J-O -B-S from going to China. After all, only MYTH Romney, according to his words, knows how to create J-O -B-S . Yea, sure he does. That'd be J-O -B-S in China and other offshore places!!!
Vote a straight democratic ticket. Give President Obama a Congress he can work with.
RIP Sen. Arlen Specter
You had it exactly right when you said... "Mitt Romney has changed positions more often than a pornographic movie queen. "
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Obama/Biden 2012
Ryan proposes privatizing Medicare for anyone currently under 55 years of age.
So do folks out here think we will never age? Or that current recipients who are over 65 years old, do not care about the future of Medicare for their children, or grandchildren, or great-grandchildren? Republicans and Democrats of all ages, want Medicare to be there for them.
As for Medicaid: Analysts say Ryan's plan would slash the Medicaid budget by ONE THIRD.
"...states that expand their Medicaid coverage, and hence provide health insurance to more people, consistently show a significant drop in mortality compared with neighboring states that don’t expand coverage." (Krugman today)
I have been saying for 4 years, the RWNJ’s conduct towards President Obama had everything to do with a black man occupying “their” perceived White House;
Guess I was right all along;
Fired up and ready to Go!
Obama 2012
And Republicans complained Vice-President Biden was rude? Seems to me he was just giving a well-deserved thumping to a snot-nosed kid - Mr. Paul Ryan - who was quite comfortable evading questions when he wasn't telling outright lies. This is rude; an e-mail I received from a "Republican" whose moniker on the Vine is jamesvincent05.
Last week, I had written that I was once a Republican, and james didn't think that was possible. I distinctly remember having been a registered Republican, and even voting for Republican candidates. However, I also remember doing some of that dope-smoking james talks about. How'd he know that? Oh that's right, almost all of us "un-American" vets smoked pot a time or three in Viet Nam. You can get a bit forgetful when you're toking. Maybe I hadn't been a Republican. So, I spent the weekend comparing myself to some truly famous Republicans.
Courageous and brave GOP'ers like Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, Mitt Romney, John Doolittle, Rush Limbaugh - a real who's who of Republicans missed that. I never shot any of my friends in the face like Dick Cheney did.
I wasn't big on cheating on my wife, so that leaves me out of the company of a world-class Republican like Newt Gingrich or John McCain. I didn't consort with prostitutes, like family-values guy Senator David Vitter. I didn't search out liaisons in public bathrooms like Senator Larry Craig.
I'm not a religious sort, like famous Republican Ralph Reed who wants to help his friends get rich trading on the weakness of gamblers. I can't imagine abusing voters like Tom DeLay or Bob Ney. I never shook anyone down or took bribes like Duke Cunningham.
Putting that into perspective - my perspective anyway - it doesn't seem I'm the one trashing the Republican Party. Republicans are doing that. There's a list of Republican pedophiles, adulterers, thieves, liars, and assorted criminals that's longer than my arm...Hell, both of my arms. This list only goes to 2008: http://www.republicanoffenders.com/
I don't think I'm lazy. It's true that I'm nominally retired, but I want to try my hand at building another business. I'm doing that. Coveting? What's to covet? My wife and I are living the American dream, and yeah, there's a streak of socialist in us. We use the roads, we went to taxpayer supported schools, and our power lines were installed courtesy of the REA.
So, maybe james is right. I was just a RINO. James? He's the real deal. He hates just about everything.
Another Ryan debate obvious number whopper: unemployment is rising "all around America.”
From a height of 10% in October 2009, the jobless rate FELL to 9% in September a year ago. Last month, the national unemployment rate FELL to 7.8%.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the national employment rate is 7.8%. Same as when President Bush left office.
According to BLS - since August 2011, unemployment FELL in 325 of 372 metro areas across the nation.
Chris, Ron, Feisty, Bev, Sandy, David, good morning.
Ryan's budget proposes $5.3 trillion in non-defense budget cuts.
62 percent of Ryan's CUTS are to programs that benefit low-income earners.
You see, it's not RomneyRyan's "job to worry about those people".
That "47%" quote of Mitt Romney's - is here to stay.
@Feisty 1.8
I guess we should all vote Democrat because 1 person wore a racial teeshirt?
LOL, it keeps getting crazy here!
I'm sure we'll see a different President Obama tomorrow night. Just needs to stand up and go toe to toe with Romney like he did with McCain. Then we'll see the beginning of the end for Romney and his Republican hoodlum's. By the way. Nice going idiot who shot into the Democratic Campaign office. Typical low life Repug.
OBAMA IN 2012.
Only one more piece in the puzzle of racism the last four years...
The difference is, the bigots are getting more brazen...
Since you would't condemn it, do you own one too?
@ California Tom 1.15
I heard it was a democrat that did the shooting...
maybe "shoot first, aim later"?
Joe in Albany-
Imagine a company in the future mining on an asteroid or another planet. How will the EPA claim the authority to regulate them??
The HORROR!!!!!!!
Absolutely, Joey, if you like meningitis, salmonella, coal mine and oil disasters; not to mention all the drugs and foods being pulled of the shelves that are making people sick as well as causing deaths.
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Obama/Biden 2012
@Feisty
Since you would't condemn it, do you own one too?
Seems you're the racist in here Feisty, nice try though!
And Good Morning to you Backhouse, Beverly, Feisty and David. An excellent start for a Monday morning.
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On the eve of the one-month mark since her son's death in a terrorist attack on a U.S. consulate Libya, Pat Smith demanded the answers she said she'd been promised by President Barack Obama and other top administration officials.
Sean Smith, a computer specialist, was one of four Americans killed during the Sept. 11 assault on a U.S. compound in Benghazi. Days after the attack, Smith's motherattended a ceremony at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland, where she cried on the shoulder of Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as they honored her son and vowed to give her information on his final hours.
In an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper on Wednesday, however, Smith claimed these promises hadn't been kept.
"I told them, 'Please don't give me any baloney that comes through with this political stuff. I don't want political stuff. You can keep your political, just tell me the truth -- what happened,'" she said. "They haven't told me anything. They're still studying it. And the things that they are telling me are just outright lies."
Smith said that the pride and comfort she felt at the reception has faded in the month since her son's death, as she continues to look for a more detailed accounting of how and why the attacks took place. She also told Cooper that she'd confronted the president directly on that day, explaining to him how upset she was.
"I told Obama personally, I said, 'Look, I had him for his first 17 years and then he went into the service, then you got him,'" she recounted. "I said 'You screwed up, you didn't do a good job, I lost my son.' And they said, 'We'll get back to you. We -- I promise, I promise you. I will get back to you.'"
It is painful for some to realize that Ryan told a litany of lies in his first speech, and they were widely debunked. Hence his nickname.
When first nominated Ryan told seniors in Florida disgraceful whoppers about Medicare - post #1.1.
Ryan told 24 myths/LIES in 40 minutes at the V-P debate:
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/12/1002021/at-the-vice-presidential-debate-ryan-told-24-myths-in-40-minutes/
Bill in Fairfax -- Who knows what Romney will do. Dionne, in a WaPo opinion piece nailed him as the SHAPE SHIFTER he is. Here is an example:
So how much integrity does a man have when he has no core principles? They shift depending on the audience.
While we are at it, lets talk about the specifics of the Obama plan
THE OBAMA MASSIVE DEBT PLAN!!!
Straight from Mr. Obama's fourth proposed budget. Here is the debt he is proposing to foist on US, our kids and grandchildren to go along with his big government as the center of the universe agenda.:
Almost $26 Trillion in debt proposed /projected by Mr. Obama. UNSUSTAINABLE! And we all know that in actual practice it will turn out to be a lot higher if Obama is returned to office. And on July 16, on Morning Joe, Mr. Obama's spokesperson, Rep. Jim Clyburn(D), admitted that the Obama plan necessarily will require middle class tax hikes in the years going forward after the election, in order to pay for the deficit spending and debt laden Obama plan. Which is why Mr. Obama is only proposing a ONE YEAR extension of the current middle class tax rates.
And please, when you see Mr. Obama on the campaign trail, ask him how much yearly revenue he perceives his proposed tax hike on those making over $200,000.00/$250,000.00 per couple (projected to raise $60 to 70 billion)will raise, and how that will even come close to his proposed $1.3 Trillion per year in deficit spending and debt building. Oh, silly me, I forgot, Obama doesn't take questions on the campaign trail. He only sits for interviews with People magazine and radio spots with the Pimp With A Limp.
Too bad Mr. Obama can't discuss his budget plan with the American people. He knows it will be rejected, so he is busy playing with smoke and mirror attacks on Mr. Romney and giving meaningless rhetorical speeches in the hopes of duping voters once again.
Tomorrow night.....Lil' O vs The Stormin Mormon. I...can't...wait.
With deflections and claims of "the other guy did it" whether we're talking about the economy or Libya, Obama's sure to be kept busy all night spinning like a top.
Spread it wide and deep, Barry, it's your only shot.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Guess I was right all along;
A supporter of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney was spotted wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with the words "Put the white back in the White House" at a campaign event this week
Yes you were. As I have often said the RWNJs are afraid of a Black Planet.
It's not aggressiveness that is the issue for Obama. It's his command of the issues. He's President, he should know these issues that are being discussed, but yet he's holed up for days on end practicing for this debate? More like he's rehearsing his lines, his poll tested, carefully scripted, carefully constructed lines. Actors are phonies, they pretend to be something they are not, they don't spontaneously interact but instead perform. That is what Obama will be during this debate, being just like he is always, a phony.
And go you shall.
What information do you possess that the rest of us don't have? In all the years I've been following politics and voting I've never seen a candidate contradict himself as much as Romney. He is motivated by two things only: (1) becoming president to satisfy his ego; and, (2) increasing the wealth of his rich friends. The truth doesn't matter to him. He will throw anyone or anything under the bus to get to where he's going. Once in office, he will not follow the dictates of his conscience because he doesn't have one.
You live in la-la land, Bill Fairfax.
I sure get sick of all these lefties who get up early just to preach the same BS that we can get for ourselves the evening before on MSNBC. Why don't you guys get some of your own talking points? Rachel, her twin brother, Horses ass Mr. Ed, and all of the rest of them are idiots. i first heard the altered Travon tapes from Horses ass Mr. Ed. Why is he still on the air? Rachel Madcow always tells half the story because if the whole story were told it would prove her to be a liar.
The polls are showing that the progressive/liberals are going down in flames. Live with it.
1/20/2013 - the end of an error
Fiesty - you are by far the racist one who posts here. It isn't even a contest because you are the one who spews it every day.
Don't cry no more
I guess the Obama camp forgot how to use computers. The Romney plan for 20% tax cuts and his proposal on holding down government spending have been on his web site for a long time. Not to mention he has been talking about them in his campaign appearances all summer. Obama can't deal with the facts so he has to make up a bunch to distract from his incompetence.
Like Lawrence O'Donnel said last week, we are not electing a debater in chief, WE are electing a commander in chief!
Personally, I don't want someone occupying that position whose own wife fears for his mental well being!!!
*waves to Ron, Backhouse & Bev*
We're off & running this morning! You can tell by the tenor of the RWNJ's LOL
They're screwed and they know it!
Care to share who you heard it from sirie? I didn't think so, just another made up lie form a republican.
With you republicans it's lie first, then claim you never said what you just said.
Bill, Fairfax VA
Romney took taxpayers' money for the Olympics and for Bain's companies. Before going under, GS paid large dividends to Bain partners and
expanded its Kansas City plant with the help of tax subsidies.
After bleeding some of the companies Bain purchased, Romney left the carcusses to be cleaned up by bankruptcy aka others (including taxpayers).
Bain's Staples (that Romney loves to brag about) created jobs but many low paying, part-time jobs that provide health insurance and other benefits. Those Staples employees either have no insurance or have insurance through the state.
Paul Ryan asked for taxpayers' stimulus saying it will create jobs.
So please, spare me the hypocrisy that Romney will do it all by himself, without the support of the government.
Why did Obama adopt a cover story, concocted by terrorist, to keep from telling the American people that our Ambassador and 3 other Americans were assassinated and sensitive security information was stolen on 9/11 by terrorist linked to Al Qiada?
Is he that insecure about his campaign that he will spew terrorist lies to protect his campaign from bad news resulting from his incompetence?
I think it was mr dick Chaney who did the shooting.
KingK
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Hey KingK
You forgot GW Bush did nothing we had got a report that Bin Laden was planning on attacking America and Bush did nothing. In fact, he went golfing.
Libya is a right wing talking point used as an October surprise.
I find it strange right wingers had no problem when GW Bush lied about Iraq. Thousands of soldiers were killed on a lie and millions of Iraqis were injured and displaced.
What about the violent attacks on American embassies in Yemen, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, India and Turkey under Bush? A . diplomat was assassinated in Sudan. Another was murdered in Pakistan. This is fear mongering to the nth degree and politicization the whacko right has pulled out to portray President Obama as incompetent just like "Fast &Furious" sequels and Darrell Issa wanting to waste tax dollars to investigate the BLS jobs numbers.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/11/1143162/-Rep-Darrell-Issa-ponders-probe-into-Bureau-of-Labor-Statistics-reports-on-job-numbers?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos%29
Republicans are employing a narrative that has worked for them at least since the Carter era in hopes it would Koch fuel Romney to the White House. I seriously doubt it will work this time. First of all, Americans are war weary and do don't want the endless wars Romney/Ryan allude to. The next thing is the economy. With Myth's Bain problems, particularly for Sensata Workers J-O-B-S in Freeport, IL where there J-O-B-S are going to China.
Personally, I don't think Romney had any business calling a press conference about Libya since he is not the President.
Secondly I don't see how anyone can vote for a man who refuses to show all his taxes to prove he is not a felon? That along is a compelling reason, not to mention, all the other scandalous things Romney has done to not put MYTH Romney in the White House.
Romney and Ryan are serial liars and that is easy to see! Do you need a light bulb?
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Baylle,
Not once... not twice... but 4 times Lyin Ryan went to the evil gubment teat!
Too funny Mo! lmao
And... OH SO TRUE!
*waves to jean Aizawa*
While the Obama administration continue finger point to save the Messiah, "anybody but Obama" it is clear the priorities of this administration about foreign policy, The media guilty of political cover-up to protect Obama. Polls spin all the way around , with Gallup changing their methodology one more tine why..... the numbers were in Romney favor .LOL . It can't be more obvious , the journalism is dead and the media bias is alive.
Are we better off in the Meddle east ? No, we have more enemies and less allies.
Hope and Change we can believe.
KingK
Romney promises 20% cuts - we all know that. What Romney is lacking is the explanation of how he will pay for those cuts.
See, for tax cuts not do add to the deficit, they have to be countered with a list of other cuts that will balance out the Romney tax cuts to ZERO. Romney doesn't have that list so this is what his propsal looks like:
"I will cut taxes 20% down the board and pay for them...crickets...crickets...crickets"
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
and it's all on paper!
Backhouse claims Social Security is fully funded for two decades !
NOT TRUE
Social Security has no money and is now paying out more than it receives thanks to a process started in the LBJ administration.
Do not tell me about the TRUST FUND, it is full of IOU's that will only increase our deficit when paid.
Americans have a choice: BURY YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND or HAVE AN ADULT CONVERSATION about this very real problem
BARRACK OBAMA ...FAILED PRESIDENT!
Don't carry..,
Great descriptive term for Romney "shape shifter".
So, will the bishop Romney show up tomorrow night, or the vulture capitalist?
President Obama will be his calm, thoughtful self. he will answer each voters questions with facts, and understanding.
Ron, Backhouse, Feisty, Beverly, David Walker--great way to start the week.
To Beverly's post, I will add that once those Sensata jobs are shipped by Bain to China, the firm will pay Chinese workers less than $1.00 per hour, 12 hours per day, 6-7 days per week. The workers will live in small, crowded rooms, receive inadequate food and certainly have little time for those "family values" republicans like to tout. Those jobs will be all the Chinese workers know. We, as Americans, should be ashamed at exploiting and advocating slave labor in the name of cheaper goods and big profits for vulture capitalists like Bain or greedy US manufacturers. It is one thing to establish businesses in China to meet the needs of Asia, another to decimate the US economy by making China, our enemy, even more powerful economically. It makes zero sense.
David, it seems you weren't the only liberal received Newsvine hate mail. Several regular posters received some pretty nasty stuff. Maybe they will post their emails as well. I am glad you posted what you received for all to see. I was a registered republican, although not a loyal or straight-party voter; during Reagan's first term, I became a democrat for many reasons.
Gaffe Biden in the debate, reminded me of a Family Guy Star Wars scene were Han Solo (Peter) forgot CP30's (Quagmire) name, when reminded of his name, repeatedly said his name over and over again, just like Gaffe Biden repeated BeBe Netanyahu's name. I'm sure the whole country was warm and fuzzy with your explanation of why Obama was on the View instead of meeting with our ONLY ally in the region!
Beverly in Chicago
he didn't go golfing, he played a landscaper boy at his ranch...40+ intel memos screaming about al Qaeda didn't bother him too much.
MITT ROMNEY ...FAILED GOVERNOR!
Jack in Porstmouth
You really should go back and read what you wrote. You descibed President Obama as close as anyone has ever done. Satisfy his ego, enrich his friends, truth doesn't matter to him, and need I even mention "throwing anything or anyone under the bus"?
Excellent job Jack.
Fiesty, you really have a way of proving my point, " Like Lawence O'Donnel said last week". You guys are too easy to figure out.
Wonder if Barry plans on getting tough with the audience for asking questions he doesn't want to answer?
Wow! You're even more delusional than Bill Fairfax. Didn't think it was possible. . . .
JH-479998
Fiesty - you are by far the racist one who posts here. It isn't even a contest because you are the one who spews it every day.
JH, haven't you heard? It's me.
Waves to you too Feisty; my sister.
Fired Up and ready to go.
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Romney is not center right, or center, or rt winger right. He is whatever the person is at that moment when he is talking to them. After he is talking to that person, his staff says, he is really not the person he said he was, as what he really meant to say was something else!
Ryan then says Romney is for something and Romney says himself he isn't, making Ryan the liar, but Ryan says what Mitt said he said, when Mitt said what he said. So is Ryan really the liar or is Romney?
We all see what Romney said, then later says he did not say, what he actually said. So we know that Romney lies about everything saying what he said, he did not say, and what he did not say, he said he said!
ROMNEY AND RYAN... COUNT ON THEM TO LIE WHEN YOU NEED THEM TO LIE!
Do you think President Obama wants to be associated with this? Re Feisty's gutter mouth attack on Mia Love. These are the people supporting Obama. Voters,especially women, do you want to be associated with them ?
Ask & you shall receive Jody!
This is one of my favorites from the weekend from a compassionate Christain no less...
Little Joey really outdid himself this time;
Yeah, Joey has totally conviced me to vote Republican... LMAO!
Jack in Portsmouth
Just like a liberal, just put out half the quote. You forgot the "under the bus" part. What's the matter? Can't you tell the whole story? I can tell you have learned well from Rachel Madcow.
Beverly, You and Fiesty are going to be fun to listen to after the election. Your side is going down in flames. "They stole the election, they stole the election, they stole the election." It's going to be funny.
Baylie
The other half of the plan, you know the one you and Mr. Obama want to ignore, is closing loopholes and CUTTING SPENDING. Mr. Obama, on the other hand is calling for massive debt creation via continued deficit spending and debt creation.
Why is Obama allowing Romney and Ryan to blame the debt and the slow economy on him?
Where is the backbone and hitting back on this issue?
The President does NOT pass jobs legislation. He just signs them.
Growth only happens if the “GOP owned congress” puts bills on the table to sign.
The uncompromising GOP has blocked, stopped, voted NO, obstructed, filibustered over 500 times and made pledges to NOT create jobs or bring cash to the government just to blame ONE man.
When is Obama going to say that to the millions watching?
When is he going to challenge the lies and tell the people that his policies are NOT at fault?
ALL GOP Policies are at fault because everything is directly involved with them.
Mr. Romney, let's do some ARITHMETIC...
#1 - Name the "Obama" POLICIES and the AMOUNTS that you say added trillions to the debt and “ADD” those amounts.
#2 –“DEDUCT” that Obama total from the current $16 TRILLION.
The balance = “GOP” spending.
DO Remember the following…
Expenses to “FIX” the GOP failed policies like TARP and the stimulus are still GOP spending and NOT Obama's fault so DO NOT count those policies.
All expenses from the previous GOP administration's “UNFUNDED” policies that Obama ADDED to his budget are ALSO Republican spending.
The INTEREST on the GOP TRILLIONS of debt is NOT for Obama to be responsible for either, it is GOP spending too.
The GOP “OWNS” that interest.
Also,
The “Bailouts” ARE “loans” to REPAIR more GOP screwed up policies, the GOP wanted those to be FREE of charge, a "going away gift" to the Banks and Wall Street from Bush. Obama made them loans.
Do not add policies before Reagan because there was NO DEBT PROBLEM before that, Reagan took office when the DEBT had ONE TRILLION and could have been tackled and fixed with comprehensive tax reform but Reagan did the opposite..
“Entitlements” are a tiny fraction of the debt and they always bring their own revenues through payroll deductions as premium payments. Entitlements are NOT free, it's paid-into insurance.
Be sure of this…
The Republicans will try blaming a Democratic majority that never actually had “control”.
Saying that the Democrats had a "Majority" doesn't count as “control”, because we all know the GOP had the "CONTROL" with their record filibusters and obstructions.
Remind the Republicans that "Total Control" is having a "Filibuster proof majority". The Democrats only had it for 6 months. After Teddy died, the Republicans went on a filibuster frenzy and BLOCKED everything.
All those failed GOP policies were drafted by Republicans AND all passed with GOP majority of votes going back to Reagan.
The Republicans will NEVER have policies or numbers to blame on the Democrats because they DO NOT exist.
Look them up, I tried. DO NOT call them “spending” if you cannot name the policies.
Every single policy at fault is GOP owned, drafted and vigorously voted by Republicans.
DO NOT get fooled into thinking it is Obama's fault. NOW is the time to stop that Myth.
Watch out for the following…
The Republicans and the Fox-Rush-bots are going to try to change the subject on this comment with insults, diversions and ridicules.
The Republicans will ask for budgets, but no one can pass budgets without Revenues. The GOP PLEDGED to NEVER raise revenues.
The Republicans will mention “bills” that are on Reid’s desk. I saw all those bills. NONE are for jobs or to fix the economy. ALL are for reducing regulations for the rich, cutting public services, more tax cuts for corporations etc.
The Republicans will blame gas prices on Obama but will fail to explain why a President seeking re-election would do that or how he could actually do that.
This is a WIN WIN on talks about the economy. Use it. Challenge every Republican. It will drive them mad with ZERO response.
This is NOT blaming the GOP or BUSH, this is ARITHMETIC !!!!
KingK
the mother of the former SEAL asked Romney to use her son as his puppet by saying:
"I don't trust Romney. He shouldn't make my son's death part of his political agenda. It's wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama."
Now the father of the slain Libyan Ambassador asked that his son’s death not to be used as a political talking point by saying:
“The security matters are being adequately investigated,” Stevens said. “We don’t pretend to be experts in security. It has to be objectively examined. That’s where it belongs. It does not belong in the campaign arena.”
Both families are supportive of the Obama Administration. If there was such a huge issue with what had happened, wouldn't you think that the natural emotion for those families would have been outrage and anger?
I will guarantee you one thing: these families know more about what had happened than YOU EVER WILL so listen to them!
geo -- So you, like Romney would outsource our foreign policy. Netanyahu does not set the Presidents schedule. In case you have a problem with seeing through the BS, Netanyahu tried to wade into the politics here. Nothing more, nothing less. He caught flak by his own people for doing so.
King K -- Why does Romney refuse to cut the "carried interest" loophole? You know, the one he's enjoyed for decades!
I just didn't feel like subjecting everyone to all of your nonsense a second time.
Okay, you win. Romney only wants to throw 47% under the bus.
(Oh, but wait! Afterwards he said he wants to represent 100% of Americans. . . . Gosh, it just gets so confusing. . . .)
Is it just me, or does Romney remind anyone else of a geriatric Ken doll?
As pointed out by D. Walker, the republican party is rife with hypocrisy. It is possibly one of the most morally bankrupt group of people to inhabit the planet. I could less less about acts of infidelity committed by Newt in his drive by 'acts of love for his country', that is an issue between his many wives, himself, and the men/women who service his 'pole of pride'. Where it becomes an issue is when he thumps and then hides behind his bible and commandments, pointing his fingers at others for committing the same adulterous acts, and then attempting to pass moral legislation onto the rest of the nation.
Romney is no better than Newt. While he may not be known for his acts of adultery, he is most certainly a money changer in the temple that so disgusted Jesus. And what would Romney's God/Jesus have to say about this constant pathological lying? I really have no idea - that is between Romney and his imaginary God. Fortunately, the American public gets to choose, through the ballot process, to avoid electing a commandment breaker.
And then we have our own Sirie on this site - using the bait and switch tactic. While not against one of the commandments, it sure is odd that when a poster points out obvious racism, Sirie steps up to the plate of the disgusting party he supports, and accuses the accuser. Sirie and Newt are from the same cut from the same fabric - when you point out the adulterous acts, deflect by calling your accuser an adulterer. Thank you Sirie for giving us a fine example of hypocrisy and deflection - two amoral qualities that ARE the GOPTP.
Anyone know why the little birdies are so ANGRY this morning?
I mean, according to them, they're going to win this thing...
Is this what winning looks like in ConservatiVille? lol
I'll take a pass...
If you want to get into racism fiesty, then take a look at your own party, the most racist around at the moment. Actors such as samuel l jackson and his comments? The wannabes on twitter towards Stacey Dash? Or how about the obama campaign buttons that said "Once you vote black, you never go back"? How holder talking about 'his people'?
There are endless other examples about liberal racism, which IS the most extreme and most public right now.
Look at your own party.
KingK,
The Romney/Ryan plan is to cut a total of $4.8 trillion from our income/tax revenue but he will not tell us how he will pay for it other than close loopholes without details.
Their 20% tax cuts just for those making over $200,000/$250,000 totals $2.7 trillion over 10 years. Romney says he will pay for those tax cuts by closing loopholes. However there are only $1.7 trillion in total worth of loopholes in total (if you eliminate all of them) that can be closed.
So where does his plan get the $1 trillion to cover the gap?
Feisty and Bev. are both racists not to mention delusional scum bags.
JH #'s, and I sure get sick of the "righties" who come here every morning to whine because "lefties" take the time to write factual, thoughtful posts to defend our President, to explain the facts which are supported. Rarely do I read a conservative post that speaks about Mitt Romney, instead they are all anti-Obama rants signifying nothing and with little mention of defending Romney. Perhaps that is because, in reality, the right cannot defend Romney because they don't like him any more that the left does.
Feisty, I am pleased to read that Ambassador Stevens' father has spoken out against the politicization of his death. As I posted last week, not all attacks can be prevented; our bi-partisan goal should be to find out what went wrong and work to prevent similar attacks in the future. We should not be looking for scapegoats.
Feisty
Everybody except a far left democrat knows that such an event is a plant. It's easy to spot a needle in a haystack if you are told there is one and are given a metal detector to find it.
I've been know to wear a Cleveland Brown hat. It's because I wouldn't want to get dirt on my Pittsburgh Steelers hat.
Democrats seem to have picked up were Nixon left off.
bayllie
Beverly in Chicago
he didn't go golfing, he played a landscaper boy at his ranch...40+ intel memos screaming about al Qaeda didn't bother him too much.
MITT ROMNEY ...FAILED GOVERNOR!
Everyone knows it too including MYTH and his RWNJs like Mike Huckleberry Hound, Sean Hannicho who, by the way, has repeated the same lies nightly for the last 3.5 years, Rush Limpballs, et al and those disillusioned posters here. That's why Romney tells some all Lies.
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Feisty, as a PAID member of obamas campaign trying to stir race relations is a little over the top isnt it. I saw your name featured in an article this weekend jen but then thought how for months you get on this site to incite negativity. You have accused many on here of working for romney yet you yourself work for obama as part of his machine to distort facts. I want a president who doesnt need a teleprompter one who doesnt incite race wars or class warfare come nov 7 you will be looking for a real job. You talk about womens rights bc some of us dont believe in abortion and then lump it in w/ everything health wise for women. It is sickniing as is your partys view.
FR:
So Romney's "surge" from the debate was negative 1% among likely voters. Romney can fool some of the people all of the time, but maybe he can't fool enough people long enough to get himself into the Oval Office.
Feisty, it's even worse reading it the second time! That's one disturbed alleged "family values" conservative! Glad you posted it.
Got PROOF?
Didn't think so - we have some lovely parting gifts for you!
Thanks Jody!
Just wanted to share with the world, what passes as a compassionate Christian these days! ;o)
Reading more than you post...
http://www.buzzfeed.com/johnrbohrer
http://nymag.com/news/politics/elections-2012/bill-hillary-clinton-2012-10/
It will be nice when Romney wins. It is time to put some respect and honor back in the word President again.
America is needing leadership. If you read the above posts you see what happens without leadership.
Jody:
I came to the same conclusion a long time ago. Right wingers dislike Romney, but they'll vote for him because they hate Obama. And Romney's phony performance as a moderate in the first debate probably increased the far right's contempt for him, although they all know he was just pretending and that he'll be their obedient stooge if he's elected.
The stakes are high, and so are all the democrates that think obama wont be handed his EVICTION NOTICE this next month. All around failure is nothing to run on. obama's only resort in an attempt to win is to deflect from the real issues.
looks like a lot of the lefteis are unhinged this morning like Joe 'Chains' Biden. I notice Feisty with the fake racism, bev is no better. I think DB Akron is right. probably a plant. I have to agree that the modern democrat party is unhinged, hostile, in your face barbarians. The proof was not just in GI Joes performance last week but in the postings of most lefty FR posters.
I think you guys should stick with saving Big Bird and say F*&k the economy. Obama and Biden have records and all we get from them is Fraggle Rock.
Lovely gas prices out west here.
BEV, FOX NEWS AIRS REALITY: THE CONSPIRACY
7.62X39 how are those saigas? Are they decently accurate? any FTE or FTF issues? same makers of the AK right?
.KingK
Where do you get such ruble? The "Loop holes" Mitt wants to close is the Home deduction. Child credit to working low income family's.
The ones he won't put on the table are all geared toward the 1% and Big Business. You need to look past the talking points of both sides. Be open minded and Fair. The new GOP/Teas are not.
The Ryan Plan
Kills Social Security to allow GREEDY RICH middle men and Wallstreeters to take over your money.
Kills Medicare and Medicaid to allow GREEDY middle men to take away your money and let you die!
Cuts food stamps to starving children and families, and veterans to pay for the taxes of the GREEDY RICH who would get tax breaks.
Cuts capital gains taxes again for the GREEDY RICH so they pay nothing which raises the taxes on the middle class the way their plan is designed to!
Romney Ryan plan, get your money into the hands greedy rich, because they didn't get all of it when they crashed the economy!
Vote Presidenty Obama/Biden and TEAM DEMOCRATIC PARTY 2012
So does that mean the Benghazi Barry will go into his tent revival preacher mode? Hilarious! Biden looked like a scary jack-o-lantern and Axlerod looked very ghoulish trying to defend the failed administration- Happy Halloween!
I saw Romney in Portland, ME during the Republican primaries. He was as unlikeable and unpersuasive as a candidate can get, just as most people experienced him, up until the first debate with Obama, after which the media painted him as a "winner."
I'm sorry, but just because Romney excelled at foaming at the mouth during the debate doesn't impress this white female voter. I thought President Obama was rational, convincing and Presidential, in contrast to Romney. Romney would be hard to take as President, I just voted to re-elect President Obama. (Early voting! Gotta love it!)
Romney, tell the American people the truth about Trickle down, it was setup for the 1% so they can live a Lavish Life Style on the backs of the Middle Class, GOP Conservative Values !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mmm .. maybe the god-fearing bible thumper can tell us what the bible tells us about little old ladies sipping tea and spreading gossip. Maybe our resident thumper can get with his fellow bullet buddy, 7.62.39mm, and tell us about 'shoot first, aim later'.
KingK
so prove me and Mr. Obama wrong and list ALL THE LOOPHOLES ROMNEY IS GOING TO CLOSE.
We also have this little pearl of vile from Sirie
Video Romney wants to be a Latino.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EVIrNxba0ls
Hilarious
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David,
I got a fan letter from him too!
Apparently he has some anger issues.
I think O'bama needs to laugh insanely at everything Romney does! Roll around on the ground...laugh so hard that farts get forced out. That would really rile up the base!
Romney, what is your specific plan to lower the deficit without adding an additional tax burden on the Middle Class, Romney's Answer - Give more tax cuts to the 1% so they can trickle it down to the little people !!!!!!
In the end, it should still come down to substance.
There are some who will not vote for Obama no matter what deceptions and flip flops are presented by Romney Ryan: They have convinced themselves that the last four years have been a failure, when in reality it has been a painful (Tea Party obstructed) recovery resulting from 8 years of failed Republican policies. They even have "statistics" to prove that they are right, just like Dubbya supporters did in 2000 and 2004. There are other reasons for the blinders, but in the end, most of these idealogues just can't stomache the fact the Barrak "Hussein" Obama is in the White House and nothing else matters. Period.
Everyone else just needs to get a grip and shake the amnesia: Yes, we are MUCH better off today than 4 years ago, unemployment heading downward, stock market heading upward, renewed respect for American values abroad and finally, better health care access for all. What did eight years of Republican trickle down economics and foreign policy bluster (and blunders) do for us? What makes anyone in their right mind think that the result will different with Romney/Ryan? Where would the recovery be now if were not for Republican obstructionism? Where are the jobs Mr. Boehner? What bills has the Republican lead congress (or the Republican minority in the senate) passed or cooperated on for the greater good? Finally, take a good look at what talent the right wing is producing these days...Palin, Akin, Bachman, Wilson, Perry, Cain, Santorum, etc, etc......is this the future that Americans want???
and how does Feisty et al put it? oh yeah LOW INFO VOTERS. HAHAHA @ FR LEFTY LIBERALS
Oh dear... not again!
Our Foriegn Policy consists of throwing the Intell. community under the bus. And blaming a video. Now that's leadership! Can't wait for the Foreign Policy debate!
Martha Raddatz, the moderator during the Biden-Ryan debate was a close personal friend of Obamas.
Obama and her ex-husband of 10 years were college buddies going back 30 years, and Obama was at her wedding. They socialized quite a bit together.
Why in the hell was she the moderator ?
No wonder Biden was allowed to interrupt Ryan 86 time, talk 75% of the debate, and use his unprecedented physical antics to distract as Ryan argued his case.
The Republican party should decline all future debates at NBC !
I'm sure some other network would be glad for the money debates bring in advertising.
I hope the moderator fully explains that this is a Town Hall Meeting format and not a Debate! The last VP debate was suppose to be a Discussion format and was not really a debate. I think that because it wasn't fully explained that people thought that Biden was interrupting, but in that format it was perfectly fine. I've been in enough Forensics Debates and I know from being Nixon vs Kennedy what they are. I was Nixon and expressing Nixon's views and to this day I wonder how I could have been so blind!
This will be the most important election in generations.
Obama's 2013 Budget projections show him running the National Debt up to more than $26 TRILLION over the next 9 years - even after he raises taxes on the 'rich'.
That is an unsustainable debt burden that he will leave for our children and grandchildren, and unlike Greece and Spain, there is nobody that can 'bail us out'.
And if you think he will exclude the 'Middle Class' from tax increases, he shows $3.1 Trillion in new tax revenues over the next 9 years, and his proposed tax increase on the 'rich' will account for only about $700 Billion - guess who pays the other $2.4 Trillion - the Middle Class.
Beverly in Chicago
the Hannity's, and the Limbaugh's are idiots so they will say idiotic things - no surprise there. Romney is not an idiot, he's just a flip-flopping hypocrite and a liar who will say anything to anyone. I don't don't get those who keep denying Romney's multiple positions even though it's all on video.
Dennis
I know this is hard for you Obama people to understand. CUT SPENDING while at the same time creating an environment that is job creation friendly results in expanding the tax paying base leading to more revenues for less spending. Enabling us to to stop deficit spending and debt creation.
As I said, the Obama plan, calls for continued record pace deficit spending leading to a $26 trillion debt. Even with Obama's proposed tax increases. And that is directly from Mr. Obama's proposed budget.
The choice is clear, vote for continued irresponsible deficit spending and massive debt creation along with a stagnant anemic economy(the Obama plan), or vote for a plan to stop deficit spending and debt creation, a plan to create jobs and more taxpayers, less dependents and a vibrant growing economy ( The Romney Plan).
The GOP, Tea-Haters Romney & Ryan would be a kiss of Death to America, this Party is drowning in their Lies & hate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MYTH Romney's Harvest Video
And how the Bain & Company gang partied at annual meetings, where employees came together to form what was known as the "Bain Band" (note the easy transformation from "Jesus Is Just Alright" to "Working at Bain's Alright"):
There is only that one video of Romney discussing his private equity firm in its first months. In this clip, Romney mentioned that it would routinely take up to eight years to turn around a firm—though he now slams the president for failing to revive the entire US economy in half that time.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/1985-romney-bain-harvest-firms-profits-video
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King
Then why aren't we swimming in jobs? At a minimum we've been doing this very thing for 10 years. We've recorded record profits for corporations and giant income increases for the super wealthy, but I don't see any jobs and wages have been stagnate for over 30 years.
Do we need to cut spending? Absolutely, but why do you ONLY want to cut the type of spending that allows the government to directly create jobs. Why don't you want to go after the real cash cow, defense? Instead, you want to give them 2 trillion more, and they HAVEN'T even asked for it.
correction to post #1.57
the mother of the former SEAL asked Romney NOT to use her son as his puppet by saying:
"I don't trust Romney. He shouldn't make my son's death part of his political agenda. It's wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama."
small word, big difference.
Mind Games,
You are confused as to the debate format. Oh, Biden didn't interrupt 75% of the times and how long did Lying Ryan go over his time limit for speaking? I'm from Janesville, Wisconsin and know how well that Paul can be speechless from his town meetings where he was booed out of the hall for his plans to destroy and privatize Social Security and Medicare with vouchers. Nothing like letting private business into the market to take their share of profits out of your healthcare and retirement! It is called Greed and Profit!
Geo,
Even with this salem witch hunt going on over whose fault was it, Obama still has the Osama card to throw down. Obama has an improved track record in foreign policy whereas Romney pissed off every country except the one fixated on war. Romney may be a better debater, yet he will lose the third debate.
Oh dear... not again!
So its ok for obama to claim he was from kenya in his autobiography for 15 years making 30 or so changes without taking out he was born in Kenya but someone else brings it up and its taboo? Hey Jen, I mean Feisty, hows it sitting on the hot seat
Regarding Baylie's post #1.57
It's amazing that the protests made by Ambassador Stevens' father and the mother of former SEAL against the politicization of their sons' deaths isn't being covered at all by the corporate media, as far as I can see.
CNN spends about half an hour every night hyping the Republicans bogus 'cover up' nonsense about Benghazi. When the White House made the totally plausible statement that neither Obama nor Biden knew about security requests, Anderson Cooper called it "damage control." So, telling the truth is damage control, now on CNN, where the truth doesn't matter much more than it does on Fox News.
BTW: That Washington Post poll shows that the Republicans scandal mongering on Libya hasn't helped Mitt Romney much on foreign policy. Obama leads on the question of which candidate do you trust on foreign policy by 50% to 43% among likely voters. The only things Mitt Romney knows about foreign countries are which ones are the best tax shelters and which ones are the best for outsourcing American jobs.
I'm finding this campaign to be one big snore. Maybe I'm getting older and more cantankerous. But I do think politics is evolving into more pervausive and ridiculous 'groupthink,' that avoids any real discussion of substantive issues. So, here's the only campaign I'm paying much attention to:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1369857-us-world-cup-qualifying-more-in-doubt-after-antigua-game
bayllie
I don't don't get those who keep denying Romney's multiple positions even though it's all on video.
I do; bayllie.
It's called "cheat to win" as in Lyin and voter suppression
4 more 4 44
Obama/Biden 2012
Can we expect another brilliant prediction from Fiestydamus again?....
Nice to know that obamas traveling press sec jen psaki aka "feisty red head" has enought time in her day to stir racisim and spread lies for the left
The fundamental choice in this election is a simple one. The country is broke and plunging deeper in debt every day with no end in sight. Obama and the Democrats want to raise federal revenue by increasing taxes, and that is the Obama plan for term two. But raising taxes on just the top earners by letting the Bush tax cut expire will run the government for about six days, so there has to be a ton of new taxes to put a dent in the spending and you can take to the bank everyone including the middle class will pay more under Obama. The class warfare Obama campaigns on is hardly a formula for recovering from the massive debt he has run up.
Romney also wants to raise federal revenue, but in a very different approach. Increasing the economy and the workforce raises revenue. We need to get government out of the way as much as possible for that to happen, and Obama has been a major roadblock to that strategy. JFK gave speeches on cutting the overall tax rate, closing loopholes, and reducing capital gains as a means of increasing the economy and raising revenue for the federal government. No Democrat today will even acknowledge that proven strategy, but it is what the country needs and it will never come from Obama.
Sarah-3043284
this is a question that the righties will not answer. Lowest taxes ever but they didn't work for Bush nor are they working now...But they want MORE tax cuts.
Tax cuts are to be a temporary jump start to the economy. Anything longer (especially in time of war) has the opposite effect.
Also, in 1993, Clinton raised taxes on the top 1.2% (without a single Republican vote, I must add), which resulted in what everyone agrees on - LOW EVERYTHING except revenues.
I notice none of the DDI/LibsrUS lefties can defend Obama on any of his policies. Why isnt green energy working? How come the ME sucks despite Obama's Peace Prize. You'd think he'd be the shining beacon of HOPE. Remember when Obama talked about cutting deficits in half, one term propositions and Laser Focus. Yeah me too a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
4 more 4 44 but WHY?
ah but splain why Biden had more time and yes Raddatz interrupted Ryan more than Biden. I agree Biden fired up his base and represented the Che Guevara wing of the left (see FR lefty libs)
Explain the mechanics of how higher tax rates equate to more jobs....
Bayllie, clinton was also the recipient of the results of reganomics. Clinton also cut entitlement spending. And since you like facts why is it under bush tax cuts that we recieved more tax revenue than ever before..even under clinton
KingK,
The Romney/Ryan budget proposal adds another $6 trillion by 2022.
The Romney/Ryan budget proposal doesn’t balance the budget till 2040 so how many more trillions will be added between 2022 and 2040?
The Romney/Ryan budget proposal counts on having an unemployment rate of 3% to generate enough revenues to balance the budget by 2040, a percentage we haven’t seen in 50 years.
The Romney/Ryan budget proposal allows people under 55 to pick between traditional Medicare and the voucher Medicare however he won’t say how he will pay for those that select the traditional plan or how long you have to make a choice or if you can change your mind.
Too many questions, too few answers
Rick-3416939
two points:
1. saying he will do it is not the same as saying HOW he will do it.
2. He couldn't do it in Mass so what makes you think he can do it for 50 states?
as of right now, Romney's tax cut plan - without him giving specifics - will add to the deficit. Go ask your boss for less pay but keep the bills the same and will se how you do with your budget.
yes, and Clinton and the Democrats did the same exact thing with the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993. Tell me how did Clinton and the Democrats (since no Republicans voted for it) do? What did Bush inherit in 1/2001?
Houston -- Not to mention that the Republicans are the ones that VOTED TO CUT the budget for security of our personnel overseas. HYPOCRITES.
The spin on the Benghazi attack includes the LIE that security was requested for the CONSULATE. This is NOT TRUE. The request was made for our Embassy in Tripoli, not the consulate in Benghazi.
The Koch-heads are threatening their workers job if they vote for Obama, this is a sick act-stop the 1% from hijacking our democracy !!!!!!!!!!!!!
In a desperate plea to try and help save a sinking ship Carville explains just how bad Obama's performance has been. posted on WAPO
Tinymont
9:42 AM EDT
Uh Oh Dept.
From a James Carville fundraising letter:
"To be given a gift like the Romney 47 percent video is a rare event in national politics. To get it in the fall of an election should have made an Obama victory all but assured.
But Obama threw it all back in his supporters’ faces, reacting to their enthusiasm and record donations with a performance so execrable, so lazy, so feckless, and so vain it was almost a dare not to vote for him.
What he has to do now is so nail these next two debates, so obliterate Romney in both, that he can claw his way back to victory.
But if he manages just evenly-matched debates, let alone another Romney win, he’s a goner.
Elections for president comes down to two individuals. You only get to see them up against each other in the flesh three times. The first time – always the most important – made Romney look like a president and Obama an ex-president.
It will take a lot of intelligence, fire and argument to turn that around in the time remaining. And for the first time, after the sucker-punch of the first debate, I’m not entirely sure Obama has it in him."
The truth of Obama's abysmal record will continue to doom him James. No escape.
The most revenue ever taken in by the federal government came under the Bush years. Which only explains that Washington has a spending problem. Until spending is under control raising revenues will solve nothing.
King -
Couldn't be further from the truth.
President Obama and the Democrats are far more fiscally responsible than the Tea Party who has run this nation into the ground.
Americans will be paying the price for the Bush years for a decade to come.
Romney/Ryan will plunge America into another Great Depression.
Salud
Let's start at the beginning, Ron in Indiana......what is a candidate to do when his opponent, (the President) repeatedly lies about the candidate's platform to his face? I think Romney did a pretty good job of calling him down. It is poor debating when the President comes into a debate with nothing more than Democratic talking points and outright lies. And can't get beyond repeating the lie.
Sure there is a sense of urgency. The President is going to have to do 100% better than he did last time to make any impact. And in contrast, Romney is going to need to be ready for an opponent who is going to come out swinging after the smack down he received last time. It will be very interesting.
On a side note, as a Buckeye, I've noticed there are a lack of Obama/Biden signs out. Tons for Romney/Ryan and other Republican candidates, but not for Democrats. Have the Democrats written Ohio off? That would be great since we are sick to death of all the political commercials, and talking point Democrats as well.
(P.S. I love the lawns of staunch Democrats who are supporting Romney....just goes to show, an increasing number of Democrats are willing to see reality and not make the same mistake twice.)
"Explain the mechanics of how higher tax rates equate to more jobs...."
...and this is the question lefties will not answer!!!!
If anyone wishes to have a conversation about this, I will gladly explain the mechanics of why lower tax rates help create jobs.
7.62x39mm
surely non law abiding citizens can get some milsurp in 7.62x39. I am more of an AR platform guy. sure if you want a gun to function while being run through mud I would go with the AK but i want nice tight groups, the AK wouldnt be my thing. So hows the saiga on that aspect? this kind of talk outta irritate some hard left anti gun libs.
Kornfed why not just explain it for good measure. I know the big brained, killa debatin libs with their super degrees in smartness will jump in and show you how wrong you are.
He was a plant alright. A plant by the republican party with republican beliefs.
Why did the republicans meet on the first night of President Obama's term to pledge to do anything they could to make him fail?
You know as well as I do that if President Obama succeeds then it makes liars out of all the white supremacist who thinks brains are associated to skin color. Just like my racist republican father that was all he had was his skin color to make him better than the black folk in Arkansas.
It was okay he was a drunk, it was okay he cheated on his wife, it was even okay he hit his children and he didn't have to change anything as he was better than anyone who wasn't white.
When your whole self worth is nothing more than the color of your skin, no wonder you would hate a smart black man that proves you wrong in every way.
VOTE FOR AMERICA'S FUTURE....VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT 2012
Sarah - You create jobs by taxing upper income Americans? How does this work? The big problem for the country is small buisness has little access to credit lines, since small buisness not Obama backed unions are the largest job creators. They need access, so instead of paying of the unions like Obama did with the Stimulus. He should have worked with small banks to open up lending to the real job creators, small buisness. While Obama says he helped small buisness with tax cuts, which only help if you are making money, small buisness would rather have access. This President has proven that he just doesn't understand how to create jobs, why should he, government and union labor are the only solution to him and it shows!
OilShark1
Bush1 might have been the recipient of reaganomics since he occupied the WH for 4 years, and the reason why Bush1 lost to Clinton was that the economy was not doing well, and don't forget, the unemployment was the highest in 15 years in 1992. Had things been good, Bush1 would not have lost to Clinton.
yes, Clinton reduced spending, Bush increased spending.
under Obama - other than what we are obligated to pay for like the wars, the interest on Bush mortgage, the Bush tax cuts, etc - the spike in spending is is due to discretionary spending which half of is the defense spending. Yet, Romney wants to increase defense spending.
great point - even though Bush had more revenue (temporarily ), Bush still managed to borrow, borrow, borrow, borrow. Tell me, with all this extra revenue, how did Bush manage to put us more in debt?
And Obama is a center-right President. There are two major parties in this country. The Democrats are mostly center-right with a few lunatics on the far left. The Republicans are the lunatics on the far right.
Let me offer some perspective: There is no other country on the face of the earth where a major political party has the destruction of that country's government as a core element in its platform. That, by itself, shows how completely insane they are.
Bill, you are quite naive. Romney panders to whatever audience he believes will get him elected; he runs anywhere from center-left to extreme-right, depending on who he is talking to. His mission is to fulfill a Mormon prophecy and will go to any lengths necessary to do this...even if it means lying for the lord.
The GOP, on the otherhand, is controlled by fascists that want to destroy democracy in America and erase the social gains we have made over the past 100 years. They want to and concentrate all of the power and all of the wealth to a select few of the superwealthy, putting up a puppet regime and psuedo-democracy that restricts voter access to only their voters, allowing them to further game the system.
Mitt Romney has no core, and meets Grover Nordquist's #1 qualification: enough working digits to operate a pen to sign any law they put in front of them.
Kornfed
answer: Bill Clinton's 4% unemployment
Rick,
You have either been mislead or are being misleading.
To start, while our debt has increased to over $16 trillion, have you ever once in your thick skull considered WHY? May it possibly have something to do with large scale wars that were paid with a credit card, that these wars were so large not to be put onto a budget that was already red, that some REPUBLICAN president entered into a war with GARBAGE intel (btw lets continue enraged attacks at Obama for the Ambassador Stevens, clearly the larger of the two intel fiasco's...hypocrites).
Your next point, my favorite.
Obama and his socialist pals are raging class warfare on you and all your rich aristocrats. Here are is the simple fact,Obama continued your bs tax cut under the Bush Administration throughout his first term. Obama is also continuing this tax cut for every American except for the top two income brackets. Making the highest marginal tax rate at 39% (same at Clinton's, so when you tea baggers say class warfare, I do not recall such vocalization during the Clinton administration...wonder why...couldn't be skin color and a disgusting attempt by the GOP...)
So all you sob's calling Obama a class warfare socialist, I say you are either mislead or attempting to mislead. Which ever it is, I will either tell you the truth or STOP your despicable attempt.
geo -- You're wrong. No one threw our intel agency under the bus. Read the article below. The intelligence community's top officer contradicts your claim.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/spy-chief-defends-obama-administrations-accounts-of-benghazi-attack-cites-shifting-intelligence/2012/09/28/b16cc996-09a3-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_story.html
That was kind of the whole point of the bank bailout.
See above.
As far as not knowing how to create jobs, the President has had a better success with business investment than Mr Romney.
LMFAO, not in America. center right perhaps in Venezula. maybe
TomasGrande
did you hear about all the TP hypocrites spending millions of taxpayers' dollars minutes after they sat down in their office chairs? GOP/TP freshmen sent more than 25.6 million pieces of unsolicited mail in the 1st nine months at a cost of nearly $9.8 million.
Of the 10 lawmakers who spent the most taxpayer money , 8 were GOP freshmen. Of the 25 who spent the most, 18 were GOP freshmen.
Bunch of lying, fiscally IRresponsible hypocrites!
Sarah, 1.101,
With all due respect, any reliance on creating government jobs is a net loss in my mind. As an example I compare a $100,000 per year job created in government sector vs. one in private sector. If both workers are given health coverage as benefit ($6,000 value) and both pay 30% taxes, the government worker requires $106,000 removed from the federal budget while the private sector job requires none. Since they pay $30K in taxes, only one of those taxpayers represents a gain to government (treasury) revenue. Just wondering if I am missing something in my analysis?
Kornfed "Willard won't be in striking distance after tomorrow nights debate!"
Didn't you say the same thing before the first debate?
PS - Gallup has Romney ahead by 2%, so it seems that it's Obama that needs to get back in 'striking distance'.
By the way - Gallup overestimated Obama's win margin (Democratic bias) by 3.7% in 2008, and they also had a Democratic bias in 2004 - overestimating Kerry's percentage by 2.4%.
Pile of republicans on here today. All of 'em telling variations of the same lie. Poor gwaddamn republicans. Never seen one yet that could correctly set a watch, let alone turn a wheel. Real good at milking bulls though.
Dont_carry_it_all
Mere facts aren't going to get in the way of the Republicans' attempts to politicize the tragedy, or CNN's exploitation of the story in order to improve its miserable ratings.
Kornfed
I forgot to add, 66% of corporations pay no taxes already. Shouldn't these corporations produce jobs like rabbits on speed?
ROFLMA!
You mean all those thoughtful cut and paste points from Daily Kos?
As to right wingers ranting against Obama and barely mentioning Romney. Have you forgotten the last eight weeks of attacks on Romney? Taxes, Bain, Olympics, European Visit....
Did I miss all those positive posts praising the last four years? Did I miss all those thoughtful posts explaining how a projected deficit of 1.2T (2009) led to a 1.4T deficit after a 800B+ stimulus bill was passed (is this creative arithmetic from the left?). Did I miss the defense of the $3T in middle class tax cuts that Obama extended and does not propose to remove, but the numbers are still attributed to Bush deficits; BTW how is Obama going to pay for them? Did I miss the defense of Medicare D, another driver of the Bush deficit, that has been expanded under the Obama Administration, but is still Bush's deficit; btw how is Obama going to pay for this program? Did I miss the defense of the escalation of the war in Afghanistan and how this also added to the Bush deficit; btw did Obama raise taxes to pay for this and his expanded drone war or did he just put the cost on the Bush Credit card?
Must be true because we all know Obama is a fiscal hawk.
Your post is malarkey.
ROFL
The Bain of Our Existence Video
http://bainofourexistence.com/
Like father like son
4 more 4 44
Obama/ Biden 2012
Mac Forrester
because half of them are Aug/Sept/Oct reregs. I guess that's why they like multiple-choice Romney. Multiple positions, multiple accounts = anything for a vote.
bayllie
Kornfed
What do you not understand about the word "mechanics?"
Byron Raum "As far as not knowing how to create jobs, the President has had a better success with business investment than Mr Romney."
Do you actually think the $535 Million 'bath' the taxpayers took on SOLYNDRA was a 'success'? And I guess you also consider the $Millions that Romney makes from his investments in Bain Capital as a 'failure' for his investments.
I can see why you support Obama - Up is down and down is up when you're upside down.
Thanks for the laugh.
One other thing Mitt is an expert at when it comes to foreign policy: which country to hide out in while you're dodging the draft. He found out France was a great place for that.
Rick -- Let's talk about CLASS WARFARE. Who labeled hard working AMERICANS as TAKERS? Romney did. In fact he dismissed 47% of Americans while forgetting to acknowledge that it is the wealthiest of our citizens WHO are the TAKERS. They extract wealth. How do they accomplish that? Through our tax code. They pay lobbyists to make sure they get special privileges.
not really Mac, dont worry FR and NBC will always be a liberal militia leftwing stronghold. need not worry.
like GE? How about Solyndra? nah BayLIE is just that, LIE. now go find some skewed numbers to support your claim BayLIE
the other lefty liberal excuse. they're all re-regs. kinda like Ruken/Xaber/ nameTBD? seems like there are plenty lefty re-regs like Hugh class aka Teaparty hick/ teaparty suck/ repubs suck and every other variant of moniker. stick to being a disingenious BayLIE
Greenbear,
The problem here, is that we have TWO problems. A slow economy and a huge deficit, right?
So, it seems to me like the GOP is talking out of both sides of their mouths. First, they want to grow the economy, yet the way they want to do that, i.e. tax cuts for the wealthy, adds to the debt.
Then they want to fix the deficit, but the way they want to do that, slows the economy, i.e. cutting discretionary spending.
Using the GOP solutions is a catch-22. Regardless of your opinion about public sector jobs, they're still jobs and in the short term we need them to keep us out of another recession.
A compromise (I know, it's a dirty word and I shouldn't curse) seems, at least to me, to be the best solution. We need to raise revenue and cut spending in a way that won't slow the economy. Since we've had these tax cuts in place for 10 years, at least, and they haven't created any job or middle class growth, I say let's start there. Then, since defense spending is at an all time high, and the DOD doesn't even want that 2 trillion, start with spending cuts there.
ROY WILSON-336103
The Obama administration made a loan that the outgoing Bush officials said "had merit." It turned out to be a failure due to unforeseen competition from China in the solar panel industry. That failure pales in significance next to the huge success of Obama's loans to the auto industry that would have destroyed if Romney's advice had been followed.
Romney is great at milking wealth out of the economy for himself and his investors without creating anything of value. I'm sure he'll have great success in doing the same if elected president.
The Rich are not touched by cuts to programs. Everyone else is. Cuts to programs means more cash out of pocket for things like daycare and special education. These will be called fee increases, but it is the same as a tax on the middle class and poor. It will mean $3.1 trillion in cuts and the rich won't be paying that.
And I thought the Obama Administration claimed the loans were approved by career civil servants removed from the political process. Now why would the Obama Administration take investment advice from the outgoing Bush political appointees? You seriously think this passes the smell test?
Paul M:
Here here...that game with Antigua was nuts. The upcoming Guatemala game is huge. Go USA!
Kornfed
Don't worry, I understand perfectly. Now I see why Romney is your guy. You will talk about a theory of low taxes that is totally useless in the real word?
why aim high at applied mathematics? why not take real life examples as proof that companies that pay no federal income tax do not hire anymore than those that do?
I see the trolling shark is stuck on stupid desperately trying to get this faux point moved from pants on fire status. Fin soup anyone?
James in Seattle is also back as a miserable liberal - the rereg garden is a growing.
So your answer is what? Tax the rich another 5% to pay for these programs? I'm sure there are further programs that the rich could contribute to if they just ponied another 10 or 15%. Of course we could simply print the money and see how long we can pay for something with nothing.
Or the middle class could be told they are living beyond their means and will have pay more (increased taxes) or receive less (cut programs).
to the hard left yes. If it were Obama's own feces it would pass their smell test. you're trying to be rational with the far lefties Alan
Bayllie,
Don't forget their multiple accounts...
Basically, there are a half dozen right wing trolls who actually believe they're fooling someone other then themselves...
Watch how quickly they disappear after 11.6.12! ;o)
Feisty here is your race crap.
seriously
Under obama 6 trillion more
in debt middle east in a turmoil border guards killed by one of his projects
ambassador killed from lack of proper security Under obama a greater divide in
AMERICA under obama a new tax that will hurt middle class citizens the most
(obama care) under obam a total lack of transparency. Under obama the division
of races has tripled. obama 1st president to win because of his race obama
causes 1st presidential candidate to lose because of his race(mccain) possibly
second candidate to lose because of his race. That is the true picture of the
lawyer in the white house DO YOU REALLY WANT THIS AGAIN
ROY WILSON-336103
we, the taxpayers, also took a bath on Bain/Romney's GST. It took $44 million to bail out the company’s underfunded pension plan. Would you call that story a success?
baliee, bush 1 lost bc he said "no new taxes" and then taxed us. Listen clinton was a good pres. for the most part, he was handcuffed by his own party though. And lets face facts about economy, 75% of decline is due to a failure in the real estate market that clinton enacted and bush 2 tried to reverse only to be called a racist. Now at least you were honest about tax revenue under bush, and the repubs are just as big culprits in spending, hence why dems got control in 06, only to make it worse. Quit talking about more money from the wealthy until we get all of the govt spending under control.
@ ballie, those 65% of corporations that don't pay corporate tax are S corps. The corporate taxes are paid by the shareholders of the S corp on their personal tax returns. The vast majority of the S corps are also small businesses, you know, the largest employer in the US after the govt. So yes, taxes are being paid on these businesses, just not under the column, "corporate taxes." If you are going to make a point, now is the time, so far, you're showing me that you are willing to repeat talking points without checking out the FACTS.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
cheating here or cheating by preventing people to vote...sad, really sad.
Alan -- On the GREEN ENERGY issue. Have you forgotten that 10 BILLION dollars was set aside in that BILL because they ANTICIPATED that some loses would occur?
Don't forget, the fracking companies praise the spending of dollars in alternative energy. They themselves were recipients of funding for decades. Those in the energy industry understand that alternative sources are the future and say we MUST invest in these alternatives for our children and their children. Think long term, not about just yourself.
yet you vote for a man whose job csar is ceo of a company that skipped out on a 13 billion $ tax bill and thats ok huh, same job csar who is shipping more jobs overseas than his co is creating here in the U.S. These days of libs doing one thing and acting like its the right is over
The rich were doing veryy well after Kennedy lowered the top tax rate to 70%, but they always want more and more and more. It was the baby boom that increased revenue not the tax cut. Now the rich can get away with paying 13%, less than your average working Joe. Time for the rich to pay more .
how many accounts do you have Feisty? yeah thats it. i was accused of the same thing. whats next martians? Feisty can't defend Obama's policies, neither can any hard lefty.
we shall see VANDAL
Sarah, I appreciate your response. I purposely chose not to politicize my post... and will not cast aspersions in this one. Your point of two problems, revenue and expenditures IS the essence of my question. As you stated your perception what Romney's intended solution is going to be...in all seriousness...what is the President's/Dem. Congressional solutions that you agree will solve our economic problems? I am curious also, $2 trillion out of DOD...over how many years? When you take the average (if it isn't all out of next year's budget)...does it benefit annual government job creation on a net basis? thanks again...I enjoy the intelligence and humor to many of your posts, what desert area are you planning to "blow up shxt" next?
Easily answered. Trickle down economics has been proven not to work. Lowering tax rates does not create private sector jobs. It does not create jobs in the private sector because the employee's salary and benefits is not taxed to the employer.
With lower taxes, the employer's take-home profit is REDUCED with higher employment. So the employer has a greater incentive to squeeze more out of his employees rather than hiring a new one. If tax rates are higher, he has an incentive to hire more people because his tax bill gets lower, the more people he hires. Employees are a tax-deductible expense.
That is why trickle-down economics don't work. Reducing taxes gives no incentive to employers to hire more people.
It does, however, give them more money, and so they are willing to take more risk. They often tend to take this risk by diversifying. Running a business is HARD. It takes a lot of energy. So if they have extra money, they won't be able to do the work to create another business.
So they take the risk by giving money to a broker, who then puts it on something on Wall Street. If you lower taxes a lot, this means there's a LOT of money sloshing around on Wall Street. This money then gets into all sorts of hare-brained schemes which then cause economic crisis after crisis.
So, not only does lowering taxes not help employment, it also creates trouble in other areas.
I understand that the whole premise of your thing is that somehow individuals are reasonable people who always make the right decisions and how governments are always inefficient and do stupid things. But the simple fact is that history does not bear out your faith.
This is the reason why liberals tend to be liberals; their political stance is based on examining history and trends and motivations and we take the stances we do because we have thought things through. Not because we read "Atlas Shrugged" as teenagers and haven't had an original thought since then.
If reality really did work out the way you would like to think, then we would be agreeing with you. We have no skin in the game as far as philosophies are concerned; we just want prosperity for ourselves, our neighbors, our friends - and for you.
All the paid libs hop on board and post to each other all day here. Too funny.
The question is, I'm not sure if they are getting paid by the Democratic Party, or by the Government welfare system... Oh, there's a difference?
I really hope ya'll work nights. ?
Just three months after the raid by Navy SEAL Team VI that killed Osama bin Laden, those same SEALs were in the news yet again--but for an entirely different reason.
On August 6, 2011, while on their way to assist an ongoing mission in Wardak Province, Afghanistan, the CH-47D Chinook helicopter that they were riding in was shot down by an RPG fired by a Taliban fire team approaching their landing zone in Tangi Valley. All 38 American and Afghan service members who were aboard perished, including 17 Navy SEALS, 5 Navy Special Operations support personnel, 3 Air Force Special Tactics Airmen and the five-man Chinook crew, marking the largest loss of life in America’s 11 years of military operations in Afghanistan. Twenty of the twenty-two SEALs and SEAL support were from SEAL Team VI (DEVGRU).
The parents of one of the SEALs killed in the Chinook attack, Special Operations Chief Aaron Vaughn, are raising questions about how the Obama administration has pushed the limits of the military’s Special Operations Forces as part of its war policy (e.g. the Feb. 20th Newsweek story, “Obama’s Secret Army”), and how constrictive “rules of engagement” intended to win the “hearts and minds” of the Afghan people directly contributed to the deaths of all those aboard the helicopter.
Karen and Billy Vaughn are now trying to raise awareness of some of the problems that they believe continue to cause American service members to be killed in Afghanistan. And to support their case they have a copy of the redacted, now declassified CENTCOM report on the incident that they say raises more questions than it answers.
The report, made available to Breitbart News, was prepared by Brigadier General Jeffrey Colt and presented to CENTCOM Commander Marine General James Mattis.
“We were given a copy of the report, but it was months before we even looked at it,” says Karen Vaughn. “But as Billy and I started to read it and talk to others inside the community we found that many of the problems that contributed to Aaron’s death were widespread. That’s when we decided we had to speak out.”
One of the main concerns for the Vaughns is the operational tempo for special operations forces in Afghanistan. The CENTCOM report itself notes that in August 2009 the number of monthly objectives was 54. But in August 2011 – the month that the helicopter, "Extortion 17," was shot down – that number had grown to 334 objectives, more than a 600 percent increase in just two years.
Another outstanding issue is that Afghan military and police forces are involved in planning every special operations mission, creating a possible problem with operational security.
“We’re seeing the number of these green-on-blue attacks by Afghan troops rising, but these are some of the same people we’re trusting with the details of our most sensitive missions,” Billy Vaughn told me.
Another complaint heard by the Vaughns throughout the special operations community is that because so many special operations forces are in the field, they must rely on conventional forces and conventional equipment, rather than the specialized equipment typically used by special forces.
For example Extortion 17 was a CH-47D, rated as one of the least capable Chinook variants, rather than the newer MH-47s designed and outfitted for special operations. According to the CENTCOM report, Extortion 17 was originally a CH-47C model that was converted to a D-model in June 1985. As the report notes further, the CH-47D, unlike the MH-47, has no early warning system for RPGs or small arms fire.
The landing zone area in the Tangi Valley was also problematic. The area itself had been cleared by ISAF forces at least seven times. In the 45 days prior to Extortion 17’s mission, there had been three previous attempts by the Taliban to shoot down Chinooks with RPGs in the valley. The Taliban also maintained an early warning system in the area to warn insurgents of approaching ISAF forces.
These were the conditions into which Extortion 17 flew. While they were flying under the escort of two AH-64D Apache helicopters and an AC-130 gunship, because of the rules of engagement and the possibility that there were friendlies in the area, the escorts were not allowed to lay down assault fire around the landing zone.
As Extortion 17 was on its final approach to the landing zone, a Taliban crew appeared on top of a two-story qalat (a mud brick house) and fired off at least two RPGs at the helicopter. The second RPG struck near the back rotor of the Chinook, causing the crash.
Amazingly, because of the rules of engagement and the inability to determine whether there were any friendlies in the area, the Taliban team that shot Extortion 17 down was allowed to escape. The only fire from the escort craft noted in the CENTCOM report occurred several minutes after the crash to suppress any enemy attempting to approach the crash area.
That the Taliban team who killed their son was allowed to leave the scene unmolested after causing the greatest loss of life in Afghanistan since 2001 infuriates the Vaughns. The Pentagon later claimed that the man who fired the fatal RPG was killed in an air strike two days after the crash of Extortion 17.
That claim is of little comfort to Aaron Vaughn’s parents. As Billy Vaughn told me:
How the Obama administration has decided to conduct this war is nothing short of criminal. When the administration leaked the identity of the SEALs after the bin Laden raid, a target was put on their back. By increasing the reliance on special operators in prosecuting the war, but not giving them the top line equipment and personnel to support them, this administration bears responsibility for the events of that fateful night.. And the rules of engagement that let my son’s killers walk away unscratched is a betrayal of our commitment to our warriors in the field.
The CENTCOM report indicates that the Task Force Commander declined to strike the Taliban targets with the Apaches or the AC-130 gunship because they couldn’t confirm whether the group of Taliban they were following were carrying weapons. That shows the counterproductive nature of the rules of engagement, Karen Vaughn says:
When the families from the crash were meeting with the Army’s Investigation Team and Naval Officers, a father asked why they didn’t use a drone strike to take out the Taliban. A 3-star Admiral responded, “We are trying to win their hearts and minds.”
But what that Admiral didn’t realize is that the rules that restrain our troops and endanger their lives are making the task that we are asking them to accomplish virtually impossible, the Vaughns contend. The Admirals say they want to win the hearts and minds of the Afghans, but by creating impossible conditions for our troops to fight they are losing the hearts and minds of the American people.
This is what has prompted Karen and Billy Vaughn to speak out. At the Republican National Convention in Tampa in August, just a few weeks after the first anniversary of their son’s death, they spoke at a rally in support of the troops and condemned Obama for using the heroism, bravery and sacrifice of the Navy SEALs to support his political campaign.
A few weeks later, they were on Fox News, calling the administration leaks following the operation that killed Osama bin Laden “criminal” for divulging the identity of the SEAL team involved in the raid. They’ve also complained about the form letters that many families of fallen soldiers receive from the White House.
And last month they spoke at a press conference on Capitol Hill with members of Congress criticizing the restrictive rules of engagement that handcuff even America’s most elite military units.
The Vaughns maintain a website in memory of their son, Special Operations Chief (SEAL) Aaron C. Vaughn, For Our Son & For This Cause.
OilShark: governmental revenue is lower than its been and last time I checked that means we have a revenue problem. The last president was the only one in history to enact massive tax cuts while at war. Why won't a Republican just admit for once that to cut revenue when we're trying to fund the "protection" of the US is a non-starter, even for past Republican presidents (Eisenhower).
When you're opening salvo into a campaign is: '"We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers," Romney pollster Neil Newhouse said at a panel organized by ABC News', we can't have much faith in whatever it is that you're saying.
I always have to laugh about this. The banking lobby is the most powerful lobby in the country. When they were in trouble, both Presidents Bush 2 and Obama knocked on their door asking them how large a check they needed.
Yet we are expected to believe that somehow these poor mistreated banks were forced to make loans to undeserving recipients because big nasty old Barney Frank beat them up and made them do it.
Actually, they made loans because for every loan they make, they get paid closing fees. Their reasoning was pretty simple - real estate never goes down, so the house they are financing is only going to go up in price. So why not sell it to some sucker at a teaser rate? You make the money on the closing fees, you make the money on the payments the poor sucker makes, and when the loan resets and he cannot make the payments, you re-possess the house, toss him out and sell it to the next sucker at an even higher price.
What's not to like? Who cares if he's a gardener or a hair-dresser or anything, it's not like the house is going anywhere. Why do you think the banking industry is so incredibly profitable?
Of course...this all only works if real estate never goes down. If you get really greedy and crash the real estate market ... well, then, the same sucker will be forced to bail you out with his taxpayer money.
Lovely, no?
<<<<Okay, you win. Romney only wants to throw 47% under the bus.
(Oh, but wait! Afterwards he said he wants to represent 100% of Americans. . . . Gosh, it just gets so confusing. . .>>>
Obama already throw his racist grandma , his insane pastor, all republicans, and I guess throw under the bus the entire country , giving apologies in Berlin, calling us the bad guys , the trouble maker. Obama never represent the 100 %, nor the 99 % or the 47 % , he trash em all putting in more misery , we have more people receiving welfare in history. Well done Obama, lets go for the 50 % is getting close.
RedVirginia will you at least admit that the reason more are on welfare than ever before is because of the economic collapse that started well before Obama took office? Or will you try to blame it on him b/c he didn't "fix" the economy fast enough. (you know the GOP claims the government doesn't drive economy right?).
I'll wait for your answer.
willowbrook
The Department of Revenue intentionally excludes S corps and LLCs that pass through income to multiple owners or partners. We already know they don't pay federal income tax at the corporate level. What you have left is C corps.
But you bring up another point:
S coprs' ordinary income is treated as a shareholder distribution rather than wage or self-employment income so the distribution avoids the Medicare tax. on $10 million, you save $290k. That's another way to avoid taxes along with loopholes, shelters, deferments and all the other tools that corporations use to lower their tax liability.
BTW, can you guarantee me that Romney has NEVER paid ZERO% in federal income tax?
small companies like BAIN?
Obama kicking Romney's is in a debate is nothing to like how he has kick Americas family ass over the last four years
Caesar,
Why don't you try using a form of substance in your argument?
Lets talk tax reform. Explain to me why you prefer Romney's Tax plan.
I am not going to be unreasonable, rude, or evasive if you are able to be as civil as I am.
Rgray, please try again in a complete sentence so we can understand.
You would be wrong Joe. My own personal opinion is if private industry is willing to step up, more power to them. We the people, however need to remember how they were created. We authorized corporate existence. So long as they operate in the public interest, more power to them. If they fail to...we created them...we can kill them.
Which is nothing compared to how the Republican Party and the wealthy have kicked the American People's asses over the last 30 years. Nothing says "bend over" like trickle-down.
I guess many people whos support the Democratic agenda and Obama especiallu think lots of words and interupition and bold text make what they say FACT.
Sounds lit Joe biden yelling because everyone is tired of waiting for the same promises we heard 4 years ago and nothing has happend. AND THATS A FACT JACK. I mean Joe
News just out, Hofstra University N.Y., say security will be stepped up because the right-wing tea hate movement will be out side protesting and we can't take this group for granted because we feel they are very dangerous !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@DCIA
I am just wary of government investment in the exploitation of research. I have no issues with government funded research. When you move from that level you move into the area of picking winners. When this is a commercial venture then you open up conflict of interest issues and crony capitalism. AND BOTH PARTIES DO THIS. If you just look at the mess that is corn based ethanol then you see that government investment or subsidies distorts the market, and in this case turn out to be a lose-lose both commercially and in terms of the environment.
The only commercially viable source of energy that is emission free is nuclear and that suffers from NIMBY more than windmills.
Your guy/Obama good at golf and talk shows.
Are Guy/Romney good at creating small and large business and jobs.
Can you answer me one question? What exactly do the rich intend to do with the extra money?
So far, they have put it in Wall Street, which has precipitated the worst economic crisis since the Depression. Real estate is the biggest asset class we have and they broke it by pouring way too much money into it. How do you expect us to believe that they won't do it again? Because at this point, it is Obama they blame for the crisis, touting "his failed economic policies" - the same President who bailed them out and fixed their mess - and never once acknowledging that they were the cause of the problem.
Whereas, if you ask liberals, yes, we have very definite answers on what we are going to do with the money - answers that will improve the economy. And yes, giving money to poor people REALLY DOES improve the economy which also helps the rich.
My point is very simple. Liberals have very good ways to use the money and Conservatives do not. Your way causes messes that financially hurts even the very same people that you are trying to protect and ours helps them too.
Even talking only to the rich, we can do well: the only thing is that our is somewhat more vague. Yes, you can provide an exact number "we lowered taxes by 5% and that's how much you saved" and we cannot - ours chain of reasoning is longer longer, "well, we improved the economy so you made more money." But none of that makes our reasoning invalid.
The reason why this conversation is so difficult for liberals is because so many of the rich are really stupid people and cannot understand a logical explanation. There is no point in having a lot of intellectual capacity if you are not willing to use it and instead just stick to the religious belief that Obama is a Communist, with no evidence whatsoever to back you up.
OilShark1
if you are speaking of GE then GE didn't skip on sh*t. They do what every company is allowed to do: use loopholes, offshore addresses, deferments, shelters, and all the other crap that Congress is not willing to eliminate from the tax code.
So your point is just plain ignorant.
what czar are you even talking about? what jobs is this czar shipping? Do you realize that private industries decide when, and where to create jobs? And right now not only they get to hire cheap offshore labor, they get to expense it out of taxes.
we could eliminate such loopholes with bills like this one:
S. 3364 (Bring Jobs Home Act )A bill to provide an incentive for businesses to bring jobs back to America.
or this one:
S. 3816 (Creating American Jobs and Ending Offshoring Act ) A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to create American jobs and to prevent the offshoring of such jobs overseas.
but the Republicans keep saying NAY to these bills.
btw, if you want to look like you know what you are talking about, please post with some examples that back up your little proaganda.
btw, csar stands for combat search a rescue.
Alan, NJ
It's you're feeble attempt at a diversion that stinks. Are you really so ignorant as to believe that Obama uses the simple-minded standard that everyone in the Bush administration was bad? Do you recall that Obama also kept on Bush's Secretary of Defense, Gates because he thought he was a good choice (after Bush's initial disastrous choice of Donald Rumsfeld)? And his Dept. of Transportation Secretary is still a former Repub Congressman, Ray LaHood.
But the loan officers in the Bush administration that recommended the Solyndra loan WERE civil servants. I don't know why you would think otherwise except that you're just cluelessness.
One of the major fact checking organizations, by the way, reported the Bush administration's conclusion that the Solyndra loand "has merit" which totally debunks the far right lie that the Bush people had rejected the lone. The only reason they did not approve it is because the issue came up only a few weeks before Obama took office and they thought it better to leave the final decision to the incoming administration.
Rgray,
He hasn't been kicking my families behind! I'm a heck of a lot better off than I was when GW left office. My stocks are double what they were when GW ruined the market. Before you say Obama has nothing to do with the market please note I don't believe you as he gets blamed for everything else. My pay has gone up, homes in my neighborhood are selling again, fewer foreclosure signs, two neighbors went back to work after being laid off not too long ago, consumer confidence up!
So what is the B----S that you are spouting?
Rgray1965
you mean Staples where god chunk of the jobs are minimum wage jobs that cannot and will not support a family?
Rgray, Creating jobs in which country overseas? Documented 1,500 were outsourced by Bain!
So, in your view taxing the wealthy at say 70% will improve the middle-class how exactly?
Will there be more jobs created? Will the deficit be noticeably smaller? Can you explain how the government taking more money from the wealthy will increase the number of jobs? If we increase taxes to 70% on this segment of the population then the government will raise approximately 350B more a year, unless like France they start leaving. So that will lower the deficit to around 900B or create how many teachers jobs? However, it will reduce the amount of capital available to start companies or invest in current ones. You seem to think that the only component of an economy is consumption and if the wealthy are not spending then they are not contributing.
Ever think that trickle down coincided with globalization and that all the free trade agreements such as NAFTA and the admission of China to the WTO has had more effect on the middle class than cutting the tax rates of the rich?
Sarah - Re: 1.152 You said:
I'm not challenging the truth to this, but can you cite a source for proof that these tax cuts have done NOTHING to help? Even the bailout of the auto industry is touted as "saving __— jobs". Did these tax cuts in fact SAVE any losses that may have taken place, thus, making it the same success as the auto bail-out...? I'm sure you remember BHO saying it was NECESSARY to extend those cuts that were failing the middle class, right?
I agree with the compromise approach. We can find it some where in the middle. Romney's problem is he is not playing the middle very well. This is exactly why he is a flip-flopper. He wants to try to stay in the middle, but gets nailed from the extreme left AND the extreme right - pushing him all over the board...
We know there will be NO COMPROMISE if BHO is elected. Four more years of polarization... At least with Romney we have the "promise" of trying to work with both sides to settle issues (like which programs and tax "loopholes" to scale back) on a bipartisan level. I don't like Romney all that much, but he is not 4 more years of polarization.
What Romney accomplished with the first debate was to get into the game -- make the playoffs, if you will.
Make the playoffs - with lies from both Romney and Ryan. You have got to be kidding me. So lies and a campaign that comes back the next day to cherry pick what Romney said with well he really doesn't believe that. Who is the real Mitt Romney - severely conservative or now a moderate??
Obama/Biden 2012
i am in agreeance in closing the tax loop holes however i think more is going to be necessary in order for it (tax reform) to be successful. Im not for a flat tax either. Obama wants to tax people 250k or more. It's going to take BI partisan effort to fix our country, not bumper sticker slogans. that is a fact.
i guess you're assuming I am rude and unreasonable. well considering the far left posters on here Alex, it goes without saying. BayLIE and Feisty have me on 'ignore'. as do a lot of them. I doubt they do have me on ignore but they ignore me nonetheless. Curious why none of them discuss the issues and sling insults. I dont understand that statement.
Not all jobs at staples are low paying or sports authority
Selected Bain Capital investments
Sports Authority
(invested 1987)
Guitar Center
(acquired June 2006)
Hospital Corporation of America
(acquired July 2006)
Gymboree
(acquired October 2010)
Clear Channel Communications
(acquired July 2008)
Houghton Mifflin
(acquired December 2002)
Staples, Inc.
(invested 1986)
D&M Holdings
(acquired July 2008)
Domino's Pizza
(acquired September 1998)
The Weather Channel
(acquired September 2008)
Burger King
(acquired December 2002)
Sealy Corporation
(acquired November 1997)
Brookstone
(acquired 1991)
Burlington Coat Factory
(acquired January 2006)
Dunkin' Donuts
(acquired December 2005)
Steel Dynamics (1994)
and all this company have ceo, management, sale staff and min wage jobs
My liberal Friends, relax, Obama is so far ahead in the polls, don't even bother to vote. There is no chance for Romney to win this election. So, don't be so uptight, on election day, get out the booze and the pretzels and forget about going out to vote.
willowbrook - you're totally delusional. I visited my sister outside Cincinnati recently and throughout Ohio (I drove so I saw a lot of the state) there are Obama signs everywhere. And, early voting appears to be favoring Obama.
And, if you want to talk candidates lying you are clearly referring to Romney. He lied and lied and lied - even FOX called him on it. His tax policy suddenly changed for the debate. Tax experts said he completely lied about the deficit his plan would create - $4.8 trillion dollars. The President told the truth and - as usual - Romney couldn't tell the truth if his life depended on it.
His signed oath to Grover Norquist should make everyone nervous. He is loyal to Grover - not the US.
Obama/Biden 2012
Just accepting YOUR version of the story. Did you not say
You see I was under the impression that the government has political appointees AND career Civil Servants (supposedly apolitical). From your statement you claim that the decision was approved (but not authorized) by the political appointees, not by the career civil servants as claimed by Secretary Hsu. You also try and divert the party actually authorizing the loan by pushing the decision back on to the previous Administration, thus absolving responsibility for the failure from the current Administration. However, the current Administration was more than happy to take credit for the loan when the President visited their facilities before the company went bankrupt. I did not hear President Obama praise the Bush Administration for their foresight in recommending the investment.
However, aside from your spin there is evidence of cronyism in the Solyndra loan that has nothing to do with the Bush Administration (and believe me they had enough of their own cronyism).
BTW When someone refutes your opinion why do you get so defensive and attack them personally?
Feeble, diversion, simple-minded, clueless...What is amusing is the first point in your post is a diversion.
In 2012 we will have a new President and his name is Mit Romney.
If you look at the stats produced by Obama leaning biased outfits, see the questions they ask, the way they ask them and not even showing WHERE they ask them you can tell what a bunch of bullcrap they are. IF you get a majority of people trusting Obama with the economy it has to be the ones he has given so much to the last four years like the gal on Youtube voting for him because he "gave us free phone." Then all the Narwhale posters get on here and spread what lies all thier invasion of our private info tell them what they think people will want to hear and believe. These are all plain old fashioned mind control of weak minds.
This time Obama will have to take the nasty route because Biden tried the laughing and it didn't work. Obama hopes is the moderator is as in the tank as the moderator at the Biden/Ryan debate and interrupts Romney enough when he is pointing out the lies Obama is telling maybe he can pull it off. Bottom line Obama has been nothing but bad for our economy, our national standing in the world, our national safety, our non existant jobs, our energy independence that is the only things that can keep us from becoming another third world Socialist Nation. Stuff the polls and the Obama tactics in lieu of having any truths to tell and vote FOR AMERICA. VOTE OBAMA OUT!!!
SeekingSanity
Apparently you haven't found it yet. The early votes aren't even counted so how would you know who is ahead????? And I've looked around everywhere I drive and love the fact that formerly liberal areas have the majority of ROMNEY signs. Stop helping Obama's BSers try to discourage Romney supporters from voting. We will not take liberal Obama supporters word for anything . We will vote and we will vote legal and we will be there to stop the illegal votes Obama's people will try to get through.
The "BOSS" Bruce Springsteen will be singing at the debate, born in the U.S.A., to our hero and President of the United States of America "OBAMA", our President shows to be everything Romney is not and that's a Leader !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
President OBAMA / 2012 for Peace & Prosperity !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kornfed, Sarah and Geo,
Kronfed said:
I'll explain the mechanics...
HIGHER taxes INCENTIVIZE hiring......
WHY? CAN'T be POSSIBLE????? can it????..... it is possible and here's how:
Wages are a DEDUCTIBLE expense. A high tax rate makes PAYING wages CHEAP by producing a TAX DEDUCTION. At a 50% tax rate, the wages an employer pays to employee X costs 50% of the actual dollars paid to employee X. If taxes are 15%, owner pays 85% of the actual dollars. --labor is MORE EXPENSIVE with low tax rates.
Therefore, higher tax rates promote employment.
There is a balance there, of course, and the supply side economics folks argued that a high tax rates are worse (net) than lower rates. I agree to an extent--when tax rates are really high (90%?) everybody is disencentivized. But the converse is true too--if rates are too low, there is no incentive to pay wages--you just take your profits and send them to the Caymans rather than employ someone, create a tax deduction, and have them make more money for you....down the road, deferring your tax burden.
My opinion is that 15% is too low. Clearly there is evidence for this in the fact that there is money in overseas tax havens. If it made economic sense to spend money hiring people, this would not be an issue, and companies sitting on $trillions in cash would be employing more people.
If taxes were higher, there would be a bigger incentive to hire people.
Hows' that for counter-intuitive?
Kornfed, or geo, show me how I'm wrong....
Caesar,
Looking at individual tax revenue however indicates that a bulk of federal revenue was taken off the budget when the Bush Tax cuts were enacted. At the same time, other issues must be attended to. For instance, Long term capital gains is at a significant low. This is a favorable tax rate as the majority of individuals who must claim these gains are in a much higher marginal tax bracket (39%). Obama's promise to raise it to 20% is still a moderate approach from the current 15%.
My comment regarding civility was directed to you as I have seen your posts before turn into slinging matches. We are having a discussion now so it is of no concern for the moment.
Everybody loves to hate on the Yankees.
Generally misunderstanding that most Yankees fans don't really have hate for any other team...with two notable exceptions. Boston. And the Mets.
You'll probably find most Yankees fans rooting for Detroit if Detroit defeats them.
Anyway, back to vaporhead politics. First off, post something on topic at least, with your party diatribe or it should get reported for Advertising.
Second, the debates...yeah....well let's pretend we live in the real world and not on First Read. Because, see, that's where most independent voters are.
The debates probably help a few people, but as pointed out from the first debate, the only thing people can remember is that Romney was better at a boring debate than Obama, and that he wants to take an axe to Big Bird.
Nobody cares about the Vice Presidential debate other than the nutjobs.
So this debate coming? People only care if Obama will come out fighting. And if he does, you can expect the debates to have had no impact on the election. If he doesn't, well then, yeah, they probably will have maybe a little impact, and sometimes a little is all you need in a close race.
Advice: Don't read First Read posts to actually know anything if the poster is going on in an insane way about one party. Particularly if it is nothing more than an advertisement.
Hey Rgray #1.203, Your "CLOWN" will be cleaning the DNC Cesspool after the Election !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Coal miners ask Obama to stop ‘absolute lies’
October 13, 2012
By CASEY JUNKINS - Special to the Herald-Star , The Herald-Star
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BEALLSVILLE - Coal miners at the American Energy Corp. Century Mine said they want President Barack Obama to stop what they term the war on coal - and to stop spreading mistruths about them.
Miners gathered Friday afternoon to express their opposition to Obamas energy and environmental policies, which they believe threaten their jobs. Miner Mitch Miracle read aloud a letter the miners mailed to Obama that outlines some of their concerns.
The miners said Obamas campaign team is running ads filled with blatantly false statements about the miners regarding their participation in Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romneys August campaign stop at the Century Mine. These ads assert that the miners were forced to attend the event by the mines owner, Robert Murray.
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Casey Junkins
STANDING UP FOR COAL — Mitch Miracle, a coal miner at American Energy Corp. Century Mine near Beallsville, speaks out Friday against what he and his fellow miners call President Barack Obama’s war on coal.
There are numerous false statements and absolute lies concerning our participation in this event, mostly started by a local shock jock radio host, the miners letter to Obama states. Why would you (Obama) lie about the 500 working miners who have signed this letter? We, the employees of the Century Mine would request you immediately stop these false ads.
This summer, Murray Energy Corp., parent company of the Beallsville mine, cut or relocated 56 workers with the closure of the Red Bird West mine near Brilliant. Murray also cut 29 mining jobs from The Ohio Valley Coal Co.s Powhatan No. 6 Mine. All of this was done, Robert Murray said, because of Obamas war on coal.
Murray then hosted the August Romney campaign stop in Beallsville, during which many miners appeared behind Romney as the former Massachusetts governor spoke about the need to protect coal mining jobs. In response to the assertion some have made about the miners being forced to appear with Romney, the miners made the following points on Friday:
As for anyone who claims the miners were forced to attend, those on-site Friday said these assertions probably came from discharged or disgruntled former employees.
Despite the miners Friday statements, Ohio Democrats have requested a federal investigation regarding Murrays campaign contributions and practices.
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Alan NJ
Solyndra's financial difficulties stemmed from cheaper Chinese imports.
Had Reagan not eliminated Carter's tax credits benefiting solar and wind industries, we would lead the world in these technologies now.
Solyndra's bankruptcy has been made an issue. How about the other green tech companies that are succeeding now from $23 billion in stimulus funds they received? Care to enlighten us on them?
Solyndra's bankruptcy involves less than 5% of green tech spending. How's the other 95% doing?
Anyone fool enough to believe that tax cuts for the wealthy create jobs deserves what they get. What the Republicans and the media won't tell you is that tax cuts for the middle class creates jobs because they are more likely to spend the extra money but the tax cuts for the wealthy only goes into a Swish bank account which doesn't help the economy in any way.
Give tax cuts to the lower wage earners and businesses but revert the tax rate back to the pre -Bush era for those making over $250,000 of personal taxable income and the economy will greatly improve. Of course closing loopholes that lower income people can't enjoy would greatly eliminate some of the injustice but probably would hurt businesses more than help.
The loopholes that Romney/Ryan want to close are those like home interest and charitable deductions but leave those that benefit their rich donors the most.
What's interesting about this article is that the headline and the beginning make it sound as if the race has tightened and that the debates are fundamental to the results of the election. But if you read more carefully, you'll note that the first debate had almost no real effect on poll numbers. And this is true across polls -- generally Obama hasn't moved much since before that first debate and liking for Romney went up a bit (but changes were only about 1% in Romney's favor insofar as voting -- which reflects the same shifts that were going on before the debates).
At this point, unless something goes horrifically wrong for one of the candidates in the next two debates, I don't think much is going to change. Most people are already decided and a large portion of people have already voted. So, it looks like Obama is still slated to win the election. And if anything, the first debate actually helped Obama out insofar as the allocation of money for Republican candidates. Because the Romney campaign seemed to be sinking before the debate, money was leaving him and going to the Republican congressional races. After the "turn around" in the first debate, money started going back to Romney because they thought they had a new chance. Which means less money for the congressional races -- which may mean Republican congressional candidates might be less likely to get elected.
So, Obama still slated to win, less money for the Republican congressional races (and thus a Congress that will likely be more favorable to him).. so, things are actually looking quite good for Obama and the Democrats.
Comrade Obama for 4 more years!!!
I just don't get it...
I really don't.
Folks... Let's be absolutely frank with one another. Romney absolutely, unequivocally changes his position on issues. He does, doesn't he? While he was Governor of Massachusetts he ran on a platform that catered to the Democratic Liberals in Massachusetts and he won... Because he lied.
As Governor he sounded very much like he was Pro-Choice for the woman. Later he said, "I change my mind". During a private fundraising dinner, he claimed that half of the country were slackers who didn't take responsibility for their lives. When called on it, he said that this is what he meant, but he said it "Inelegantly". As the heat continued he then said, "I was wrong to say that".
Truth of the matter? Romney says whatever you want to hear.
Is that what you want from your President? For him to say whatever you want to hear? What happens when he says and does things you DON'T want him to say or do?
Right now, Republicans, Romney needs you. Every person who calls themselves a Republican: The cashier at Walmart, the ranch hand in Texas, the farmer in Iowa, the housewife in Florida. He needs you. He needs you to vote for him.
...But will he take care of you? Does he have your best interests at heart?
There's been a lot of talk about how "Romney is a businessman - He knows how to get this country on its feet", and "Obama is just a Community Organizer - He doesn't know how to run a country". Let's examine your premise of Romney being a businessman.
There is no doubt that Bain Capital has a portfolio of companies that it has acquired over time. Some companies under Bain have managed to survive the takeover process (e.g., Staples), and some companies have withered and died after the takeover (e.g., KB Toys).
Think of Bain Capital as the United States of America. Some states and people may thrive (mostly those states and corporations that have helped fund Romney's campaign, and those upper 1% people who are also backing Romney). Other states and people?
Well, those people and states will be on their own. He will kill Medicare with his voucher system. He will raid Social Security. He will not care about rebuilding this country's infrastructure. He will continue to pour endless money down the throats of the Military-Industrial complex's corporations and leaders. He will continue to give tax breaks to companies that are already enjoying the least taxed period of their corporate lives (Some companies like Exxon-Mobile don't even pay taxes). He'll keep up with the idea that more and more deregulation of companies will be the cure-all we're in need of.
In the end...
The cashier at Walmart, the ranch hand in Texas, the farmer in Iowa, the housewife in Florida. After he gets your vote, he'll cut you loose. Loose to work at a minimum wage job at the mercy of whomever has hired you. The companies you work for will be less regulated, and free to fire their employees at whatever whim compels them. Once you're fired, you'll be part of the 47%. A drain on our country's resources. Your unemployment benefits will be extremely short. If you're on Worker's Comp, you can expect to be terminated from the program if it gets too costly for your employer. If you find yourself on disability, well... Now you're just a slacker who living the socialist's dream. Romney and company will find a way to sever your connection to whatever benefits you thought you worked your whole life to support.
Hmmm... Sad.
I think people get so wrapped up in their own labels ("I've been a Republican my whole life like my Daddy, and his Daddy before him"), that they just don't realize that they're about to cut their own throat with the label they're carrying.
Folks, wake up...
The only thing that will benefit from a Romney Presidency is Romney's social circle and business associates who'll reap all the rewards on the backs of the people he currently is courting. Once he's elected? The honeymoon is over.
Hope you Republicans recognize that.
What is absolutely amazing here is you are all so wrapped up in the "reality" your have been fed.
You receive all your information from Obama or the liberal press so that when you finally see Romney speak, you immediately say he's lying. Your basis for making that judgement is wholly biased and you should have an open enough mind to look at facts YOU have gathered versus those spoon fed to you...the definition here is called propaganda...
Democracy relies on the voters being informed. The current role media plays is to pander to one side or the other. All they want to do is sell advertising (where do you think the hundred's of millions of dollars donated go to?). The role of the media is now damning America...it i sthe voters responsibility to see that and think for themselves!
Smbsowner - whatever. The wealthy still has Bush's tax cuts - for over 10 years.
SO WHERE ARE THE JOBS??????????
Obama/Biden 2012
You want to do a real poll that will open your eyes? Do a fact check on all the posts by liberals and conservatives and see where you find the most lies. Then do a check of the nastiest posts and see which come from liberals and which come from conservatives. These should tell you something. In an arguement between an intelligent man (or woman) and a fool, the fool will laugh and harrange, i.e. Joe Biden.
In the end would you hire a doctor because he could heal you or because you'd want to hang out with him?
Would you hire a lawyer, not because of his skills in court but because he had a nice smile?
Would you hire someone to handle your finances because he could sing you a line?
Then why in heck would you vote for a President who has shown his inability to do the job just because you think you might like him if you met??
How dumb has the American voter become?
Aside from those that vote for a skin color or for the free things that have bought thier vote. Buying votes is illegal yet the Democrats and especially Obama have been getting away with it for years in the name of "helping the poor". Sad part is those enslaved by these freebies are the real victims.
bayllie
My original question to you was....
"Explain the mechanics of how higher tax rates equate to more jobs...."
Not platitudes, not previous employment rates of a time when tax rates were higher. I want to know the working mechanism in which higher tax rates create more jobs. I realize you have been spoonfed the talking points without having to put that kind of thought into what you preach, but try to give it a shot.
@ ballie - do you rationally believe the IRS would let a wealthy man like Romney not pay Federal taxes for the 10 years Harry claims? (PLEASE, said with major sarcasm....) The bottom line is this. Romney has his taxes done by professionals, who put their reputation and livelihood on the line. They are the ones who are responsible for knowing how to navigate the Federal Tax rules. The govt. is who is truly at fault. THEY are the ones who make up all these rules and loopholes. Do you expect people NOT to take deductions, when it is a govt. rule?!?
Also, provide your source concerning the elimination of the S corps from the data. I've not seen one site (left or right leaning) that deducts a class of corp from the spreadsheet and then uses the data remaining. The last data I read shows S corps at 68% of the corps in the US. Even if you deduct them, then it would be 65% of 32%, far fewer corps than your your comment would suggest.
King: The 600% uptick in the operational tempo is the new norm. Surgical strikes on Al Queda leadership by small teams rather than armies duking it out. Why would you play political gamesmanship over a change in tactics for fighting Al Queda? A change that is apparently working.
I feel bad for the Vaughn's - I really do. But why blame Obama? Did he start these wars? Now that we are in them, Obama sought to find a way to fight the real bad guys - Al Queda. The military guys came up with a new plan and Obama gave the ok to do it. War stinks. People die. It is an all volunteer fighting force and they go in knowing the risks with their eyes wide open.
willowbrook -- Romney very well could have taken advantage of the IRS Amnesty in 09, that we do not know. Why won't someone ask him? Why doesn't he release his 09 and 08 tax returns?
Amnesty was given to a lot of rich people who WERE BREAKING THE LAW. If Romney attempted to break the law we have a right to know that.
Kornfed,
I see you're still here. Look at my post at 2.07 addressed to you....
Elise, I'm on your side. Agree. Lower taxes didn't help.
Rgray1965
hey brainiac, it's impossible. IMPOSSIBLE. even if Romney wins, he wouldn't be POTUS until 2013.
Another low info Romney voter....
Bengahzi Gate and the Obama Administration Lies
We're all watching the lies and changing stories each day...
Who told Rice to come out after the attack and repeatedly say it was the YTV?
After the Administration knew it was a terrorist attack, they continued to blame the YTV.
Barack even went to the UN and told the same Lie!
Don't Carry it all,
Because, as anyone can tell you, he has decided that the heat for not releasing the tax returns is less than the heat for releasing the returns. Anyone who makes less than $250,000 ask yourselves why would he choose to do this. Use your commonsense. Place yourself in Romney's shoes and try to derive the answer. I can only come to one conclusion.
Alex1145 -- You wrote:
So true.
All4reason -- What you all are watching is FOX "News" it seems. You need to reason a bit more and venture out further for the facts in that matter.
dONT-CAARY-IT-ALL, You very well could have a frog up your butt that we do not know about. Why won't someone ask you ?
So now, you think we need to ask him specific, pointed questions based on your wild imagination ? He has released 2 years and you clowns have found nothing significant to attack so you demand more ?
Why won't Obama release all of his college records, his related loan applications and his grades ? What did he study in college ?? Did he ever have a course in basic accounting ... since we have had no budgets under his reign ???
What is Obama hiding in this area ?
The more words you type doesn't make it any more so than typing in bold text or underlining or any thing else.
The facts are . The last 4 years have not worked in favor of the middle class in America. Heck we even paid a Chinaman to carve Martain Luther Kings statue and paid 60 billion to start an electric car company in Findland.
I think someone has the sign upsdie down because it doesn't seem like we're heading forward at all. We're going down instead.
I would just like to point out a few things:
There are a couple of very RUDE people who command time on these boards but really don't type anything new. RWNJ- just because you type those letters doesn't make everyone on these boards forget it is name-calling. Just because you call someone a DUMBOCRAP doesn't mean it isn't childish. Grow up and have a civil discourse with people-you only prove that when you open your mouth, you make a bigger fool of yourself than if you would have just kept it shut in the 1st place. I really find it hard to take anyone seriously that types things like that but I will say this to everyone:
1. Romney is wealthy, there's no hiding it. But so is Obama. You can't sugar coat it. One of his books made $10M- that's MILLION people. That's more than I will ever see in my lifetime at my career choice.
2. Romney is pro-life. Ummm, he's Mormon. Obama isn't. It doesn't make either wrong because it is their belief system. I will say this- both parties are wrong for inciting hostilities because of them. If anyone thinks that Romney/Ryan, if elected, can take away your fundamental right to decide, or that Obama/Biden will make everything for your medical care (as a woman) free, then you are wrong. We will never have a complete Republican or complete Democratic Congress that will allow that to happen, so stop blowing smoke and fear up people's hind-ends.
3. Whether you admit it or not, we live in a gimme world and we are raising our kids to be that way. I don't owe anyone anything, not even my children, if they aren't going to try to do their best. I work too hard for what I have and I really despise having to give it away to people that don't care. But I also give of my time and money and energy to my local causes so that my neighbor will be ok.
4. I don't agree with Romney on many points but that doesn't make me a Democrat or a sinner or a hand-out queen. I don't agree with Obama on many points but it doesn't make me a racist or a RWNJ or a Conservative Republican. I grow tired of the insults and the fools that have to argue louder to get their point across.
5. Simple truth is- Romney isn't going to cut my taxes, so voting for him isn't going to do anything for me or my family.
6. Obama's health care agenda isn't going to help me, so voting for him isn't going to help me or my family.
Let's just call it what it is- a joke. This election is just that- a joke at the country's expense.
jim#'s -- Not my wild imagination jim. Plenty of articles asking this very question.
I have an idea. Why doesn't someone come right out and ask Romney tomorrow night at the debate IF HE TOOK AMNESTY? Sound good?
I'm positive no laws were attempted to be be broken when Obama's college professors issued his grades or when Obama chose his courses for college though. In other words jim, impertinent data is what you seek. That is considered fodder.
TAX EVASION is not FODDER.
If you really want to know about the frog, just ask. Ha!
Bill, Fairfax, VA
It must be nice to live in one of the highest income areas of the nation. I get a feeling that you support for Romney has an alternative motive... I don't know, maybe additional tax breaks for yourself and your neighbors?
I do agree with you that private sector jobs is what makes this country strong and that Romney has created a lot of private sector jobs,The only problem with Romney's job creations are that they were made overseas. He got his millions by outsourcing American jobs in pursuit of his wealth. I for one, cannot vote for a man that claims that he can fix this countries issues due to his experience. A majority of the American people voted for Obama in '08 for a change of direction to prevent a complete melt down of the country that was a result of extreme right, not middle right politics. While Obama has been in office, the right has stagnated any potential of a complete turn around. Even given opposition, Obama's Administration has done one hell of a job of preventing a complete disaster. Everything Obama has done was not perfect but I feel that he was our best choice in '08 and he still is our best choice in Nov 2012. As a gun-toting, free-thinking American with open eyes, I can plainly see that Obama is a much better choice then Romney. I only pray that other middle class Americans can see through the discord of opinions to see whats really best for them and to see through the smoke and mirrors presented to them by them Romney campaign. Each week he changes his views to try and appease the masses to gain votes just to get elected. It reminds my of high school student body elections where promises are made of getting food and soda machines in the cafeterias as well as scented toilet paper. It sounds good, but is it really what is best for all? Think about it... Extra sugar and carbs means extra laps around the gym track and I really don't think that we need more of that.
All I ask is that people use their common sense when voting coming this upcoming month. The facts are available. Again, you are right, America needs leadership but I really
don'tcan't believe that that leader can be found in Romney.Jim,
Very classy with the frog bit...
As I asked in my previous post, why do RWNJs believe the birther issue has merit, while the tax history of a presidential canidate is pointless? Even Romney asked for 10 yrs tax returns from his vp canidates, why are we not afforded the same courtesy?
The birther issue has been dispelled COUNTLESS F**king times. Get over it, a black man is President. He is as American as John McCain.
It was asked recently, how many additional years would Barack Obama be able to ride the "Blame it on Bush" strategy if he was re-elected.
Many feel Barack Obama would continue to point the finger of blame and make excuses through his entire second term...telling us, that in 2008 he inherited a big problem.....6-8 years later....
No one wants this scenario
I hope that YOU understand that the social services given to our poorer citizens is nothing (NOTHING) compared to the Corporate Welfare most Republicans think is a "Good Thing".
What is the real sad part, is the perception of so-called conservative members of our society (like you Shaking my head-2479300) who actually believe our economic woes are due to the slackers, moochers, and welfare mothers. They make a good target don't they? Sitting at home, watching Jerry Springer, smoking weed all day, squirting out little children that will eventually get neglected or abused, all so they can make more money and stay at home more and more while abusing their drugs and daytime TV.
Hell, just writing about it makes me want to line these people up against the wall and smack each and every one of them upside their heads.
...but let's just take another look at things:
Corporate Welfare.
Tax breaks, tax loopholes, off shoring, locating their headquarters in non-taxing states, subsidies, grants, etc...
Oh yeah, Corporations have been making a killing. Did you know that 60% of U.S. farmers get no aid, while government programs subsidize the wealthiest agri-businesses and absentee land owners. Yes. Most Mom and Pop Farms are typically on their own. Matter of fact, 10% of the farms that are owned by the wealthiest Corporate AgriCompanies received 75% of All Subsidies. To be a farmer in America nowadays, you need either corporate backing or a helluva lot of luck.
Do you like what you're paying at the gas pump? Did you know that Exxon-Mobil had a GREAT year last year? They had an increase in profit of 41% over 2010, and they posted about 10.7 Billion dollars in profit. Oil stocks are up all over the place. It's very good business. What makes it even better? The oil industry in whole receives about $4 Billion dollars a year in Federal subsidies.
Let's look at General Electric (GE). In 2010, GE spent about $39 Million dollars on Lobbying efforts, paid no taxes in 2010, and received $4.7 Billion dollars over a three year period in tax rebates. Sounds to me like the board members at GE are watching Jerry Springer, eating bon-bons and living the good life all on our taxpaying heads.
Verizon Communications? They paid $52 Million for their lobbyists, they earned a profit of $32 Billion dollars, and they received a tax rebate of about $951 Million dollars. The list goes on. You may find it here: (http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisbarth/2011/12/14/29-companies-that-paid-millions-for-lobbying-and-didnt-pay-taxes/).
Frankly Shaking my head-2479300, I find anyone who claims that the people living on food stamps and living on welfare as deadbeats just doesn't have a proper understanding of the situation.
Sure, there's always going to be low, common denominators who actually thrive in that sort of environment; but think about yourself:
You lost your job. You attempt to hold onto your house, and you slowly spend your way through your nest egg trying to hold onto what you got. You watch your retirement savings go. You're out, every week, looking for work, hoping to recapture the job you made $25/hr at. It's gone. There's nothing but $8/hr jobs at Staples, Walmart, or wherever. If you start working those jobs, you may lose your unemployment, or food stamps. It's a trap you can't get out of.
Vacations? Comfortable retirement? Good Healthcare? Kiss them all goodbye. This is the reality of living at the bottom of the economic rung. Most people don't want that. Most of the people on Welfare would much rather have the opportunities to live a productive, fulfilling life. You're suggestion that the majority of them want this way of life is not only demeaning to them, it's demeaning to you as well. It shows a complete lack of any understanding of the true nature of American Welfare which typically favors the corporation over the person.
I hope your vote for Romney rewards you with everything you want. Though, to be truthful, I don't think you completely understand what it is you're wishing for.
Alan, NJ
Where, exactly, did I say the loan was approved by political appointees? NOWHERE, that's where. It's amazing how RWNJs reading comprehension degenerates when they have no real basis for their complaints.
The Solyndra loan was examined by nonpolitical appointees in both the Bush and Obama administrations, and both found it to have merit. Not to mention major Bush donors like the Walton family. If the loan was "crony capitalism", then why did BUSH cronies think Solyndra a good investment?
The politcal fact checkers investigated the Solyndra issue thoroughly and they all concluded that the Republicans' accusation of cronyism were total garbage. But you're too emotionally invested in this lie to let it go.
SmBusOwnerinNY
Kornfed,
I am back. How does a tax deduction on expenses help with more jobs? You rationalize that the expense of hireing an employee is a write off. If that business has a higher marginal rate, they still pay a higher tax. That affects the growth of the business. What about individuals that would have more expendable incomes at a lower rate, which in turn increases consumer spending. Since Ballie wont tackle this, maybe you and I can have a conversation.
This doesnt even make sense.
Payroll Taxes
Employment taxes that a business must pay on behalf of its employees are deductible, including:
How about an explanation of your above quote in context of these deductions SmBusOwnerinNY
I'd like to thank you all for those Daily Kos talking points. It is amazing to me how many people really have nothing to do all day. Oh, and thank you, too, Jim Messina, for all of your posts. P.S. How is Kenny Loggins doing?
Chzhead2004 - Too bad I can only vote for your comment once!
Thank you!
Hidden on the back pages of foxnews.com a story run by the AP
FACT CHECK: Romney spins one-sided story on trade, defense cuts in foreign policy speech
Published
October 08, 2012
Associated Press
WASHINGTON – Mitt Romney solely blamed President Barack Obama on Monday for potential defense cuts that Republicans in Congress worked out with the White House and Democrats and left the misimpression that Obama has ignored free trade initiatives.
A closer look at some of the Republican presidential nominee's statements in his foreign policy speech:
ROMNEY: "I will roll back President Obama's deep and arbitrary cuts to our national defense that would
devastate our military."
THE FACTS: "Arbitrary" defense cuts do not belong to Obama alone but also to congressional Republicans,
including his vice presidential running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan. The first round
of cuts in projected defense spending is the result of a bipartisan deal in
August 2011 between Congress and the White House to wrestle down the deficit.
Unless a new budget deal is reached in time, additional spending cuts will
begin in January across government, and the cost to the Pentagon would be $500
billion over a decade. Lawmakers are working to avoid that. Separately, Obama
wants to slow the growth of military spending, now that the war in Iraq is
ended and the war in Afghanistan is drawing to a close. The Pentagon's budget,
including war costs, is $670 billion this year, or about 18 percent of total
federal spending. Even setting aside the costs of the wars, military spending
has more than doubled since 2001.
At its heart, Romney's statement marks a disagreement with Obama over the proper level of military spending but also skips past a deficit-reduction deal that he recently criticized Republicans in
Congress for negotiating.
ROMNEY: "The president has not signed one new free trade agreement in the past four years. "
THE FACTS: Obama hasn't opened new trade negotiations, but he's completed some big ones, overcoming opposition from fellow Democrats to do so. After taking office, he revived a free-trade
deal with Colombia that had been negotiated by his Republican predecessor but
left to languish without congressional approval and sought similar progress
with South Korean and Panamanian free-trade pacts. The president delayed
submitting the three deals to Congress while he tried to placate Democrats who
opposed some of the terms, but finally submitted them in 2011, and Congress
approved them.
ROMNEY: "I will recommit America to the goal of a democratic, prosperous Palestinian state living side by side in peace and security with the Jewish state of Israel. On this vital issue, the
president has failed, and what should be a negotiation process has devolved
into a series of heated disputes at the United Nations. In this old conflict,
as in every challenge we face in the Middle East, only a new president will
bring the chance to begin anew."
THE FACTS: With this statement, Romney
has moved toward the balance enshrined in U.S. policy from one administration
to another on the question of Israelis and Palestinians and away from his
provocative remarks to a May fundraiser that recently came to light.
In those remarks, he said "the Palestinians have no interest whatsoever in establishing peace," ''the
pathway to peace is almost unthinkable to accomplish," Palestinians are
"committed to the destruction and elimination of Israel" and it would
be "the worst idea in the world" to put pressure on the Israelis to
give up something in hopes Palestinians would respond accordingly. Now he is appearing to put faith in a negotiation process he all but dismissed before.
ROMNEY: "As the dust settles, as the murdered (in the Libya consulate attack) are buried, Americans are asking how this happened, how the threats we face have grown so much worse, and what
this calls on America to do."
THE FACTS: It's unclear whether terrorism has gotten worse. There has been no incident even remotely comparable in scope or symbolic meaning to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the
World Trade Center and the Pentagon. After a score of counterterrorist
successes, the Obama administration has been knocked back on its heels since
the attacks' 11th anniversary, when assailants stormed the U.S. consulate in
Benghazi, Libya, and killed a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans. There
has also been an uptick in attacks on American troops by supposedly friendly
Afghan forces. But many counterterrorist experts say al-Qaida has been
significantly weakened and the threats of global terrorism significantly better
countered over the last decade.
ROMNEY: "When we look at the Middle East today — with Iran closer than ever to nuclear weapons capability, with the conflict in Syria threating to destabilize the region, with violent
extremists on the march and with an American ambassador and three others dead
likely at the hands of al-Qaida affiliates — it is clear that the risk of
conflict in the region is higher now than when the president took office."
THE FACTS: Risk is always a matter of perception, so it doesn't fall easily into the realm of truth vs. fiction. But for the United States and the region, it's not clear that conflict has
increased in the last four years. Obama entered office in 2009 with the United
States still engaged in a conflict in Iraq. U.S. troops are no longer there.
And he came as Israel and Hamas just finished a three-week war. That was two
years after another war between Israel and an Iranian-backed force, in that
case, Hezbollah in Lebanon.
There has been no significant Israeli military conflict since Obama has come into office. That said, Syria's conflict has become the region's deadliest since the Iraq war. The U.S. has stayed out
of that conflict under Obama.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/08/fact-check-romney-spins-one-sided-story-on-trade-defense-cuts-in-foreign-policy/#ixzz29Ih1aPjQ
Who exactly are the outgoing Bush officials if not political appointees? If they were civil servants they would not be leaving nor considered Bush officials. Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension that can't be fixed by your communications skills improving.
Not that Alan NJ cares much about facts, but here are the facts on Solyndra as determined by politifact. Note that their final conclusion is that Karl Rove's super PAC attack ad is"mostly false."
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2011/nov/15/americans-prosperity/solyndra-ad-president-barack-obama-taxpayer-money/
Here's a more recent fact check article about energy policy and the loan program that overall was a success, despite a few failures like Solyndra. As you can tell from the URL, the article shows that Romney's claims about green energy in the debate he "won" were lies.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/10/romneys-clean-energy-whoppers/
Sarah @ post 1.101...
Explain why libs always want to cut defense spending, please.
It is one of the few legitimate functions of our federal government to protect us.
Defense spending is always done in union plants that pay tooooo much, have work rules to protect losers like you and almost always vote democrat.
Why do you want these people to lose their jobs?
Dude, America is not a center-right country. The last time we were center-right was during the Cold War, and most of that was due to the fact that we were trying to show up the Communists. If America was center-right, a small but steady majority of Americans would oppose gay marriage, abortion, tax cuts for the rich, and deregulation. Americans would never allow cuts to programs like Medicare, Social Security, or Medicaid unless they were desperately needed (if ever), and definitely not in order to pay for more tax cuts for the rich. Romney has no set political location; he could be a moderate, a right-wing radical, or a left-leaning centrist who is willing to forgo his own beliefs (whatever they are) to get elected.
Okay, most Americans can agree that the government doesn't create most of the jobs in the United States; most lefties (including myself) admit that. However, look at several of the major inventions in human history have been either created or coddled by government policies and programs: the Internet evolved from ARPANET, a computer network created by the Pentagon's R&D boys to connect national and international military outposts and efficiently relay news, orders, and intel. The early manufacturers of the microchip sold most of their products to the government (primarily to the military and intelligence agencies) until microchips went public in the 70s and 80s. Space travel, although currently not a major commercial enterprise, developed thanks to revolutionary innovations in the public sector thanks to NASA and could be the next Apple or Facebook.
I'll give you the fact that we aren't on a sustainable fiscal course, but the problem with your logic is that you're assuming that nothing is wrong economically right now. Today we are in a steady yet fragile recovery, and recessions (and slow recoveries) equal higher deficits thanks to lower tax revenue and increased spending on social programs. And even if the recovery takes off under Romney, we'd still have a structural deficit thanks to the Bush tax cuts, growing entitlements, and defense spending. Romney would have to raise taxes and cut spending across the board in order to deal with the deficit without radically changing or eviscerating social programs. I would simply end the Bush tax cuts, keep defense spending at 2011 levels for 10 years, cut social spending by $300 billion, raise the payroll cap and tax rates for Social Security while using a more progressive indexing system, and bundle Medicare's payment system so it will make reimbursements based on quality instead of quantity.
You fail to understand that AMERICA IS NOT A CENTER-RIGHT COUNTRY. We are centrist on social issues and foreign policy and center-left on economic issues. Most Americans oppose cutting taxes for the wealthy or deregulating the financial industry. Most Americans support RAISING taxes on the wealthy and preserving entitlement programs, although we will have to tweak them in order to save them for the long-term. And there is a big possibility that Romney will not be the "center-right president" that you want him to be. Why??? Because he sold himself out to Grover Norquist and the Tea Party, and they won't take it lightly if he jumps ship. His $5 trillion tax plan (and his plans to eviscerate social programs and boost defense spending) are the most radical right-wing policy any president in modern history has ever done. Even Ronald Reagan raised taxes after his big tax cuts; Romney won't, lest he lose his all-important base.
Romney has very little life experience or talent that is useful when running the country. He may have some good insight on business, but defies reality and adheres (or caters) to the debunked supply-side theory of tax cuts for the wealthy and deregulation that former economic supporters have denounced. He defies fiscal reality by promising to cut tax rates by 20%, eliminate the estate tax (which prevents the creation of an inheritance-based aristocracy) and the alternative minimum tax, and keeps the Bush tax cuts in place, all while promising to balance the budget in 4 years and not raise taxes on ANYONE while doing so. At least Obama only said he would cut the deficit in half; Romney isn't even proposing that.
No, if Romney wins next month, the American people lose their credibility, their intelligence, their livelihood, and what's worse, their dignity. The rest of the world will think less of us if we elect another George W. Bush, and eventually they will call into doubt our competency and our sanity. And worst of all, the middle class and the working poor will sink further to the bottom while the rich get all the tax breaks and special privileges until this whole Ponzi trap you call a country will collapses like a house of cards. Good luck trying to clean up THAT mess....
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
I see tons of leftist bloggers here like Ron Indiana, Backhouse, Beverly, Feisty Red Head and David who are so far left that they are off the chart. I see more and more of their angry biases and lashing out at the right for all of the supposed lies, and their incredible distortions of the facts. Biden was an unruly a$$ and manipulator in the debate the other night and he showed he is a great representation of the Democrats and the lengths they will go to stay in power. Of course the Dems thought it was great, it fits with thier way of doing business. If you can't take them out the right way, break their leg. Laughing out loud while someone is speaking, talk over them, make faces and crude comments while they speak is a great representation of a Vice Preseident. The left and many (not all) Democrats are an becoming an exceptionally immoral and unruly bunch when they feel threatened. The good news? They are becoming an exceptionally immoral and unruly crowd over the past two weeks. That's ok, go blow a gasket! Romney is going to win this election and it is not going to be close. He will win by at least 6 percentage points, so leftists......better start looking for your rock to hide under.
Funny how people's perceptions change the way they see things. From my vantage point:
In the first Presidential Debate, Romney did his usual "Romney Shift". The President expected him to stick to his guns of what he had been saying during his whole campaign, and was caught off guard by the extreme shift Romney took.
Some examples: Romney has said that his Pro-Choice stance while Governor of Massachusetts was wrong. (Flip #1). During the first Debate, he now said "There’s no legislation with regards to abortion that I’m familiar with that would become part of my agenda." Only problem with his sudden moderation? Ryan gave up the true agenda during HIS debate.
In a news interview a couple of week's before his first Debate, Romney stated that everyone gets healthcare. That's what Emergency Rooms are for (forgetting that uninsured use of Emergency Rooms is a MAJOR contributing factor to rising health care costs). He's also said that people need to get on their health plans BEFORE they develop an illness. During the debate: "Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan.".
As Romney reversed himself, and told lie after lie (whatever he thought the viewing public would want to hear), he would get that dreamy (creepy) look in his eyes, tilt his head a bit and look slightly upward as he gave his creepiest smile. I guess he must have been running a little mantra in his head that went something like, "If they eat THIS turd sandwich, THEN I'll bet they'll eat the next one too".
He was argumentative, dismissive, and overly feisty with our President. So...
A week or so later, Biden gives a little of that back to the boy. The boy did alright. He was well coached, but all he had was his drummed in mantra and facts that have been the Republican talking points during this entire campaign. All headlines, no substance.
Of course Biden mopped the floor with him. Of course, it looked like Biden had supremacy. When you face an opponent who claims that:
...when you face an opponent of this nature, all you really can do is call "BS" on his BS, and call it for what it is... Just bold-face lying and wishful thinking. If you can't see that, then the only thing I have to ask you is this:
Are you a four year old who still believes in Santa Clause?
I hope the little boy is wearing a diaper, because when he frantically realizes he is on his own, he's going to @!$%# himself.
Romney 2012 because I don't want socialism or communism in the U.S.
Don't want socialism or communism huh? How do you feel about fascism? How about a return to the 1800's where most American workers were 3rd world employees of Robber Barons? How about 12th century England where normal people were considered serfs to the Lords and Ladies who owned their land, their belongings, and their very life.
I don't believe for a moment that Obama is going to be converting our constitution into the Communist Manifesto; however, Romney as a figurehead for the Corporate and Wealthy Elite takeover of America? Oh yeah, I totally can see that.
Flame Thrower, I hope you make in excess of 100-200K a year, because if you dont...? You're on the dungheap with the rest of us as the United States of America becomes the first privately owned country known as the Corporate States of America.
Well, waiting for this evening with a sense of fun. Naturally I'd love to see Obama do well, or at least show up. ( I do feel he will show and be ready.)
I am not a worshiper of Obama. He has done many things that piss me off. Along with things he has NOT done. In the over all picture though, these are trivial for the time being. Over all, even with all the GOP/TPs BS, he's done quite well, and we are better off.
With Mittens/Lyin, everything they do and stand for pisses me off even more. The only good thought of them is maybe they'll go live with their money after Nov. 6th.
( Fiesty n Friends, Fiesty usually has plenty popcorn, so I'll bring "party favors". >:o):
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Much Love n Blessings for All,
Da ( Libbie) Pup
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Why is Sir Romney's Party blocking the jobs bill act if he is so worry about jobs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Says alot when liberal, lemmings will vote for a "."
Blind cheerleaders for the paid bloggers on this post that are headquartered with the various Obama campaigns offices. No one is reading the Obama campaign office diatribes in these stories......... always pushed by paid embedded campaign bloggers.
Get ready with your preparred statements after O gets it handed to him again by Romney on Tuesday !!!!
Romney / Ryan - It's about our kids futures. Free Markets or Free Loaders.... that's the Nov. decision.
But only the rich kids... not the other 99% (or 47%?).
Just D Facts
I'm still waiting to be paid. Ha, Ha.
Paid bloggers? Really?
That Obama supporters use facts in their arguments and most Romney supporters do not, reflects the news sources of each group.
Limbaugh Lies and Fox Fantasies and hate radio diatribes "inform" many Romney supporters. It is no wonder they spew conspiracy theories such as yours.
Mainstream media bends over backwards to be "fair" to Romney, something totally lacking in right wing media's treatment of Obama.
As John McCain once said (I'm paraphrasing here) "No, ma'am. Barack Obama is a good American, a Christian man, who just happens to disagree with me in some fundamental ways".
That many righties continue to believe the right wing extremist lies about Obama (he is a Kenyan, he is a socialist) does not speak well of how their news sources inform them.
Why because every one of them has a tax increase built into them in witch only hurts job growth.
All Obama plans have higher taxes and more government jobs government jobs only add to our dept.
Backhouse said,
"FACT: Medicare is able to meet 88 percent of its obligations in 2085, if zero changes are made."
What about the other 12% or don't they matter??
Kind of like the GM bondholders who lost everything... they were ripped off by the Government Take over that Obama's so proud of... what about them?? Guess they don't matter either!!
It's time to turn the page on this failed presidency...
The middle class and your children/grandchildren can't afford 4 more!!
Oh and let's not forget the 12% that Backhouse doesn't care about!!
BYE BYE OBUMBO!!!!
I'd love to be able to see all the libtards faces as Romney wipes the floor with obumbo tomorrow...AGAIN!!!
obumbo may try to be more assertive but what is he going to assert? He has nothing.
His only plan for the next 4 years is to tax and spend. No budget, no jobs plan, no nothing!
Just D Facts -- You're funny. You obviously do not understand what a Free Market economy is.
There is no FREE MARKET economy here. At best it's a quasi "free market" system. My guess is you champion an oligarchy.
Hey Just_D_Facts, you mean those "Free Loaders" that work 40 hours a week at minimum wage who don't make enough money to be required to pay federal income taxes? You know, those that still have to pay FICA taxes, state and local state sales taxes yet don't have nearly enough to live on. Or do you mean those wall street freeloaders like Romney that pay 15% after deducting all their loophole deductions? Maybe if the Republicans stopped squashing the minimum wage increase they might make enough to pay a few dollars a year in federal income taxes.
Why won't Romney show his federal income tax returns for the last 4 years? Is it because it will show how patriotic he was by outsourcing jobs to China while laying off all the American workers that he claims to have helped?
Hey Just D Facts - there aren't paid bloggers on this site. Don't be stupid.
So according to bailey its ok for dem run companies to NOT PAY ANY taxes but romney pays a capital gain tax and there must be hell to pay. I am not going to list bullshat bills or go into it. Feisty again accuses everyone else of being a troll when she is in fact obamas traveling press sec. Bottom line is the current approach has failed, and for you morons thinking the avg joe making 50 k per year is paying 15% your insane. The free ride is over
Team Obama/Biden counting on you to be stupid.
(Your guy..not mine)
Raise your hand if you know he was talking about you...
OilShark1-
I don't know what free ride you are talking about. Seriously, I don't? Can you be a little bit more specific on your claims there? Why does this sound familiar??? I worked very hard to get where I am and continue to work hard. I make about $75k/yr and I pay about 18% a year in taxes. I am a single parent raising 2 kids with 0 (ZERO) help from the Gov't or the kids mother. If you can add
that up, I am claiming 3 dependents. OKAY, do you got that? If it were just me, like Mitty, I would be paying closer to 21% per year in taxes on top of all the other expenses (ie medical, dental, child care, etc). Yes, I do get to claim child care on my returns but at a percentage of 33%. Given my child care rate and that only 1 child is in child care, I get back about $600 when I file along with the child credits (which will probably also disappear to make up the $5Trillion Romney/Ryan tax cut). That's no where near the $2.4Million that was on Mitt's return. Like Ryan, I am a Math Guy with a BSME and a minor in Math and Physics with a business background, so I do understand numbers pretty damn well. Asking Romney and others like him to pay their FAIR SHARE is only asking for equal opportunity and treatment.Under Obama the 47% will become the 67% and then what?
Republican "job creation" for the last 4 years. Read on, it's pure fact, so eat it trolls.
JOBS LEGISLATION BLOCKED BY HOUSE REPUBLICANS...
An American jobs effort to end government contracts rewarding corporations that ship American jobs overseas. [Vote 19] - GOP BLOCKED
Build America Bonds to Create Jobs Now Act – [Vote 38, Vote 30, Vote 189] -GOP BLOCKED
American Jobs Matter Act – [Vote 257] - GOP BLOCKED
National Manufacturing Strategy Act, - [Vote 279, Vote 721] - GOP BLOCKED
Advanced Vehicle Manufacturing Technology Act - [Vote 310] - GOP BLOCKED
Currency Reform for Fair Trade Act - [Vote 9, Vote 199, Vote 780] - GOP BLOCKED
A measure to promote jobs and innovation at home, - [Vote 490] - GOP BLOCKED
A measure for middle class families, - [Vote 676] - GOP BLOCKED
A measure to support American Manufacturers - [Vote 693] - GOP BLOCKED
A measure that places a priority on keeping jobs in America: - [Vote 710] - GOP BLOCKED
A measure to protect at least 10,000 American manufacturing jobs - [Vote 715] - GOP BLOCKED
A measure to ensure that American materials, - [Vote 792] - GOP BLOCKED
AND...
A Tax on Companies that ship jobs overseas - GOP BLOCKED
Political Ad disclosure bill, - GOP BLOCKED
Subpoena Power for the Committee investigating the BP Oil Spill, - GOP BLOCKED
The Small Business Jobs Act, the DREAM Act - GOP BLOCKED
No permanent military bases in Afghanistan, - GOP BLOCKED
Report identifying hybrid or electric propulsion systems and other fuel-saving technologies for incorporation into tactical motor vehicles, - GOP BLOCKED
Protection of child custody arrangements for parents who are members of the Armed Forces deployed in support of a contingency operation, - GOP BLOCKED
Improvements to Department of Defense domestic violence programs. - GOP BLOCKED
Department of Defense recognition of spouses of members of the Armed Forces.Department of Defense recognition of children of members of the Armed Forces. - GOP BLOCKED
Enhancements to the Troops-to-Teachers Program. - GOP BLOCKED
Fiscal year 2011 increase in military basic pay. - GOP BLOCKED
Improving aural protection for members of the Armed Forces.Comprehensive policy on neuron-cognitive assessment by the military health care system - GOP BLOCKED
Authority to make excess nonlethal supplies available for domestic emergency assistance. - GOP BLOCKED
Senator Franken’s Anti-Rape Amendment to the Defense Appropriations Bill - GOP BLOCKED
Benefits for Homeless Veterans - GOP BLOCKED
Health Care for the 9/11 First Responders who got sick from being at Ground Zero - GOP BLOCKED
Wall Street Reform - GOP BLOCKED
Unemployment Extension - GOP BLOCKED
The Fair Pay Act - GOP BLOCKED
AND...
The DO NOTHING GOP always VOTED "NO" to create JOBS!!!...
Sep 12__S.3457____Veterans Jobs Corps Act, S.Amdt.2789 --- NO
Jul 17__S.3364____Bring Jobs Home Act --- NO
Jul 11__S.2237____Small Business Jobs and Tax Relief Act --- NO
Jun 29__S.2237____Small Business Jobs and Tax Relief Act --- NO
Jun 5___S.3240____Agriculture Reform, Food, and Jobs Act of 2012 --- NO
Dec 15__H.R.3630__Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2011 --- NO
Nov 30__S.1917____A bill to create jobs by providing payroll tax relief for middle class families and businesses --- NO
Nov 3___H.R.674___3% Withholding Repeal and Job Creation Act --- NO
Nov 1___S.1769____Rebuild America Jobs Act --- NO
Oct 6___S.1660____American Jobs Act of 2011 --- NO
Sep 24__S.3816____Creating American Jobs and Ending Off-shoring Act --- NO
Aug 5___H.R.5297__Small Business Jobs and Credit Act of 2010 --- NO
Jun 23__H.R.4213__American Jobs and Closing Tax Loopholes Act of 2010 ---NO
Why is anyone voting Republican at all?
The Republican party has not done anything for America in the last 40 years.
Look it up.
As Lawrence O'Donnell stated Friday night, we are not electing a Debater-in-Chief, we are electing a Commander-in-Chief. When did we start judging a person's presidential ability by flash and style instead of substance spoken?
Paul Ryan, and the GOP, Need to take a Government Civics Class. In Thursday night's debate with VP Biden, Paul Ryan answered a question about abortion. His answer clearly shows his personal views on the subject which are very important to women--do legislators, especially men, have a right to legislate women's bodies, to legislate morality? But equally important was Ryan's self-justifying response, his reference to "unelected judges". Ryan indicated that it is the job of elected legislators to determine such matters, not unelected judges.
Clearly, the Ryan response is one uttered by many conservative legislators and politicians these days. What should be troubling about Ryan's response--and republicans by default--should be obvious: these people do NOT understand our Government as it was established in our Constitution by the founding fathers.
The three branches of Government, the separation of powers, the checks & balances--Executive, Legislative, Judicial--were written into the U.S. Constitution to prevent any one individual or group of individuals from exerting complete control over our fledgling democratic government. Our Judicial Branch was established as a non-elected branch because the founders believed that interpreting and enforcing the laws should not be based on politics. Judges should not be elected nor should politics cloud their interpretation of the Constitution. That is the way it is supposed to work.
Mr. Ryan indicated in the debate that unelected judges should not write laws, as if interpreting said laws' constitutionality is somehow writing laws. Ryan said that it is the job of elected legislators to write and pass the laws which is the true half of his comment. It is the job of lawmakers to write and pass legislation. BUT what was clear is that Mr. Ryan, and republicans, fail to recognize that the Judicial Branch of Government was established as a check on those "elected" lawmakers ability to undermine the Constitution by passing laws which infringe on the rights of individuals or in some way, are in conflict with the Constitution.
As Americans, we should be concerned that we clearly have a political party and elected legislators which do not understand our Government, let alone believe in it as it was established. The GOP touts the Constitution at every opportunity YET they are the ones who do not even understand how it works. It is a scary thought, that Ryan and his friends, do not comprehend our system of government. How can they govern if they do not understand it?
Jody, Iowa
The GOP touts the Constitution at every opportunity YET they are the ones who do not even understand how it works.
Jody, that is absolutely correct.
Examples
a) voter suppression
b) treasonous actions by signing a pledge to Grover Norquist
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Jody, Iowa
The GOP touts the Constitution at every opportunity YET they are the ones who do not even understand how it works.
Jody, that is absolutely correct.
Examples
a) voter suppression
b) treasonous actions by signing a pledge to Grover Norquist
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Report: Multiple CEOs and Businesses Threaten Workers Over Obama's Re-election
http://www.examiner.com/article/report-multiple-ceos-and-businesses-threaten-workers-over-obama-s-re-election
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Great post, Jody. It is troubling to me that the GOP seems to think that ANY rights can be put up to a vote. Do they think they can go back to banning interracial marriages? We know how they feel about same-sex marriages but, again, I think rights are inherent in us and not up to which side gets the most votes. Same thing with the right over one's body and health. I thought Ryan's "unelected judges" didn't even make sense---his party's most profound hope is to win the White House and put anti-abortion justices on the Supreme Court. Those would be unelected judges, wouldn't they?
No representation without TAXATION
I hope the moderator explains fully what a Town Hall Meeting debate is? In the VP Debate it was to be a Discussion and that is what Biden did! You can interrupt and discuss. Yet, because it was described as a debate people took Biden as interrupting and that is fine in that style. I've been in Forensics Debates of all kinds and did this type of Discussion back when it was Nixon against Kennedy. I took Nixon's point of view and now wonder why in the world I ever did that and how I could have been so blind!
Liberal friends, thank you and thanks for adding more good thoughts to mine. It was one of those GOP comments that, in context of the debate, seemed inconsequential but the more I thought about it over the weekend, the more I saw a pattern in the GOP thinking. They do want to put people's rights to vote yet that is contrary to the Constitution and our founders thinking that they tyranny of the majority should not undermine the rights of the minority. In Iowa, this is the second election in which the GOP far right, via Bob VandarPlatts has--with the help of outside money--been campaigning to oust the State Supreme Court Justices who declared Iowa's version of DOMA law unconstitutional. In 2010, he succeeded and three Justices were removed; there is one up for retention this year. It troubles me that judges are even voted on for retention because all it takes is one activist group and some outside money to remove any judge. There should be no voting on judges period. There are legislative, procedural ways of removing judges who violate the law or are found guilty of whatever.
Looks like Steve #s needs a refresher history course as well as civics.
Bev -- Excellent article. Thanks for posting. Here is an excerpt:
It was reported that this guy used an altered form letter circulating on the internet to try and intimidate his workers. Pretty DISGUSTING.
Looks like Joe put that little frog face Ryan in his place !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Biden proved he is a buffoon. Neither Biden or Obama has explained anything about their plan for a second term except to let the Bush tax cuts expire for the top earners. Wow, they have come up with a plan to pay for the government for six whole days. That 80 billion in revenue will surely put a tiny nick in the trillion dollar deficits Obama is racking up. What a complete joke, Obama has no intention of doing anything other then smoke and mirrors coupled with class warfare to continue rampant out of control borrowing and spending. Biden has been in Washington since he was 29, he is part of the problem not the solution. No surprise neither Biden or Obama are presenting their plan in detail.
Rick
Biden challenged Ryan on each of his lies and distortions. The poll numbers show that registered voters in favor of Obama are now more likely to vote.
That has been the main shift in poll numbers since debates started. Romney's economic plan was exposed as lacking in any detail.
How can you trust Romney on his economic plan when he has shifted his position so many times and when he continues to lie about Medicare and Welfare reform? Even his etch-a-sketch heightens voter uncertainty about what he stands for.
OBAMA 2012
Steve
"No taxation without representation" is the slogan in the pre-Revolutionary war days.
That our Founding fathers chose a democracy as their type of government indicates they wanted a majority to determine our tax policies.
That the top1% has increased its share of our national income from 10% in 1980 to 24% now proves how Republicans have taken advantage of their base's ignorance to foster policies that do not serve the interests of the majority of Americans.
OBAMA 2012....fighting for hard working Americans.
Dont_carry_it_all
Bev -- Excellent article. Thanks for posting.
While Segal claims to invest "every dime" he makes into his business and that "Obamacare" could cripple his finances, the Orlando Sentinel points out that Segal is currently building a new 90,000 square foot home, with 30 bedrooms, 10 kitchens and a 20 car garage.
It was reported that this guy used an altered form letter circulating on the internet to try and intimidate his workers. Pretty DISGUSTING.
Dont_carry_it_all
Not only is it amoral and disgusting; I think it's illegal. I hope the FEC pays him a visit.
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seriously
Under obama 6 trillion more
in debt middle east in a turmoil border guards killed by one of his projects
ambassador killed from lack of proper security Under obama a greater divide in
AMERICA under obama a new tax that will hurt middle class citizens the most
(obama care) under obam a total lack of transparency. Under obama the division
of races has tripled. obama 1st president to win because of his race obama
causes 1st presidential candidate to lose because of his race(mccain) possibly
second candidate to lose because of his race. That is the true picture of the
lawyer in the white house DO YOU REALLY WANT THIS AGAIN
First, to Feisty Redhead, SOO good to see you still posting, punching and right so often!!
I won't even bother posting my thoughts about the economy, Libya, the debt, Lying Ryan and Flip-Flop Mittens except to say that if those 2 don't scare the beejesus out of you, shame shame. Never the same story twice, it's all about dog and pony show and who wants to hear what at that minute.
What I will post on is the terrifying, absolutely TERRIFYING possibility that if Romney is elected he will do whatever he can to undo Roe v. Wade. Now, before the antiabortion groups have me for dinner, pay attention. Roe v. Wade is about the 4th and 14th amendments, right to privacy. It came about because of an abortion issue, but ruled on as privacy. Go read the decision.
What should scare all women, no matter your position on the issue, is the idea that ANYONE, me, your family, or a President, can tell you what is or is not right for your choice, or anything about your healthcare. Planned Parenthood has been a literal God-send for so many women, some in my family, who lost their insurance, did not have a job yet, were in school, and needed care. My sister and I could not be more opposite on the pro-choice issue; she is vehemently opposed to choice, and I support it 200%. I spent many hours marching in the 1960s and 1970s for this right. What my sister and I do agree on is that Romney will undo all the last 40 years and women will resort to back ally treatment and possible death if there is no Roe v. Wade. How does any rational adult, male or female, not think there is something wrong on so many levels with ANYONE telling you what kind of care you can get based on THEIR personal beliefs? I no more have the right to force my pro-choice beliefs on anyone any more than the anti-choice folks have the right to fore theirs on me... Wake up people.. If flip flopping, misspeaking and lack of any sort of common sense about foreign policy and how to deal with countries like China don't scare you to death about Romney, then Roe v. Wade should! Unless you have seen first-hand the maiming and sepsis women get from back alley treatment, then do not bother me.... trust me, you wouldn't want ANY woman you know to endure that, no matter your thoughts on abortion rights...
You mean like Bush? A Romney presidency would only repeat the policy mistakes that led to the most serious recession since the Great Depression. One difference is that Bush took office while the budget was balanced and we were paying down the national debt, while currently we are still running a significant budget deficit. One can only imagine what the 20% tax cut Romney is advocating will do to the budget deficit and the economy. Perhaps the typical Republican pandering to the voters by promising a tax cut may play better after Obama's second term, after he has more time to repair the damage of the last Republican administration and after the voters have had more time to forget the results of the last Republican exercise in supply-side economics.
Larry-2260635
Gee didn't all those liberal Obama outfits you watch and read tell you Romney did release his tax returns and guess what! Reid is a jerk and had to shut up because Romney paid all his required taxes using the loopholes everyone including you use. You know energy credits, kids deductions, mortage deductions and a great deal given to charity.
Romney is the one proposing along with Ryan to end a lot of deductions he had available so that he and other folks (including OBAMA) will have to pay more taxes at thier current rate. So either watch a news channel that tell you what is really happening, doesn't hide anything good about the other side and isn't run totally by info gotten from Obama's no longer secret Narwhale room. IF that venture into brain washing didn't tick you off, then its too late for you.
Maybe all these Obama followers just take his tactic of not caring with the booze and pot and a little bit of stronger stuff. That way they don't have to enter into the world of reality and common sense and truth.
Which Obama will show up for Tuesday Night's Debate
A. Campaign Obama
B. Mundane Obama
C. Insane Obama (Crazy Clown Biden style)
D. Empty Chair, Empty Suit Obama
All4Areason-
I think President Barrack Obama will show up for Tuesday's Debate.
Which Mitt Romney do you think will show up? Thats the real question!
@Mainebound - thanks for the shout out!
Your comment was superb! ☺
Hope to see you around here more!
Thanks, Feisty... I'd be around more but I get all itchy and break out in hives when surrounded by too much stupid...
ShakingmyHead... Yes, Romney proposes eliminating deductions.. and trust me, if YOU would do some serious reading you would see the hardship will not fall on someone making 500K a year, it will fall to the average family who has LOST their deduction for state taxes, mortage interest.... Dont lecture others until you do real reading and homework..... Romney did release tax returns, 2 whole years. The second one had to be dragged out of him. That he is a succesful businessman does not bother me at all. That he does that at the expense of anyone remotely working for Bain does.... like his recent decbacle of shipping jobs offshore to China and a plant in Indiana, I think, will close.... Priceless Bain greed there
Larry Pressler
Former U.S. Senator from South Dakota
As a combat veteran of two tours in Vietnam with twenty-two years of service as a Republican member of the U.S. House and Senate, I endorse President Barack Obama for a second term as our Commander-in-Chief. Candidates publicly praise our service members, veterans and their families, but President Obama supports them in word and deed, anywhere and every time.
As a Vietnam vet, one of the reasons I support President Obama is because he has consistently shown he understands that our commitment to our servicemen and women may begin when they put on their uniform, but that it must never end.
This decision is not easy for any lifelong Republican. In 2008 I voted for Barack Obama, the first time I ever voted for a Democrat, because the Republican Party was drifting toward a dangerous path that put extreme party ideology above national interest. Mitt Romney heads a party remaining on that dangerous path, proving the emptiness of their praise as they abandon our service members, veterans and military families along the way.
What really set me off was Romney's reference to 47% of Americans to be written off -- including any veteran collecting disability like myself, as a post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) veteran.
Behind closed doors with his donors, Romney made clear he'd write off half of America -- including service members and veterans -- because, as he said "I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility for their lives." But there's no greater personal responsibility than to wear your country's uniform and defend the rights we all enjoy as Americans. We don't sow division between "us" versus "them." The Commander-in-Chief sets the bar for all to follow and fight for the entire country. Mitt Romney fails that test. As a veteran I feel written off.
Just as revealing is what Romney actually says publicly. As a former Foreign Service Officer, I find it offensive that Romney, Congressman Paul Ryan and their Republican Party are politicizing the death of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other brave Americans who lost their lives in Libya. Being Commander-in-Chief requires a resolve and steadiness that's immune to politics and fear mongering. Mitt Romney fails that test.
And along with high-profile Republican surrogates, Romney and Ryan are pandering to election-year politics rather than focusing on pending cuts to military spending. Strategy should drive our military priorities, not party purity.
We are a nation at war -- the longest war in our nation's history -- and we must remember the sacrifice that so many have given for the protection of our country and our values. That's why it's so surprising that Republican nominee Mitt Romney has given five speeches on foreign policy -- and will be giving another one today -- and has yet to outline any plan to end the war in Afghanistan or bring our troops home. That's unacceptable for anyone running to be Commander-in-Chief.
President Obama ended one war, is ending another and meeting our national security needs with support of our military leaders. He's laid out a clear plan that would reduce the deficit and prevent the mandatory military spending cuts that no one wants. But today's Republican Party, including Ryan who voted for the deal that would trigger the cuts, is willing to bring our country's defenses to the fiscal cliff -- just so a multimillionaire doesn't have to pay a single extra penny in taxes. And the real lack of leadership? Failing to own up to your role in racking up a record debt from two unpaid wars and two massive unpaid for tax cuts. Mitt Romney leads the party that fails this leadership test.
And as former member of the U.S. Senate Budget Committee, the Senate Finance Committee and Chairman of the then Commerce Committee, I came to know the federal budget in detail. I'm disappointed that just as our troops are returning home after a decade of war, Romney and Ryan might gut by up to 20 percent investments in the Department of Veterans Affairs -- and even suggest privatizing the veterans' health care. Again, they would short change our national security and the education, health care and employment benefits our veterans have earned and deserve just to cut taxes for the wealthiest Americans
Let's be clear, Romney and Ryan would be disastrous for America's service members, veterans and military families. Public praise rings hollow when you fail to mention an ongoing war in accepting your party's nomination to be president, or veterans in a speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, a so-called jobs plan or in a budget that should be a blue print of our nation's values.
Meanwhile President Obama recognizes our sacred trust with those who serve starts when they take their oath and never ends. He's enacted tax credits to spur businesses to hire unemployed veterans and wounded warriors. He implemented and improved the post-9/11 GI Bill, the largest investment in veterans education since the original GI Bill over sixty years ago. He's proposing a Veterans Jobs Corps that would put returning service members to work as police officers, firefighters and first responders. As part of his achievable plan to keep moving our country forward, the President would use half the savings from ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to help pay down our debt and invest in nation building here at home, putting Americans back to work -- including our veterans -- fixing our roadways and runways, bridges and schools.
And something that hits close to home, President Obama also secured the largest increase in VA investments in decades so our veterans get the care and benefits they earned, like treatment for PTSD and traumatic brain injury. As someone with service-related PTSD, I meet with younger veterans weekly to help them through the treatment and transition to a productive civilian life. It makes a difference for them knowing their President has their back.
That's the difference in this election. In word and deed anywhere and every time, President Obama never forgets that standing by those who serve is the heart, soul and core value of this country. As a life-long Republican, I stand by him as he stands by all of us, putting national allegiance ahead of party affiliation
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-pressler/larry-pressler-obama_b_1948415.html
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Truer words were never spoken.
Lest we forget.
uawpleeeeeeeeee What's lower than a snakes belly? A rereg.
Thanks for printing that, IR.
UAWPleeeeeeeease,
And the ability to reason isn't your only failure. We'll throw spelling and grammar in there, too.
You care to share the facts about your statement UAW? It's funny how you republicans tout what you heard on Fox (Romney campaign headquarters) or heard liar Limbaugh say, and proclaim them facts without actually seeking the truth.
"As a combat veteran of two tours in Vietnam with twenty-two years of service as a Republican member of the U.S. House and Senate, I endorse President Barack Obama for a second term as our Commander-in-Chief.
Candidates publicly praise our service members, veterans and their families, but President Obama supports them in word and deed, anywhere and every time.
As a Vietnam vet, one of the reasons I support President Obama is because he has consistently shown he understands that our commitment to our servicemen and women may begin when they put on their uniform, but that it must never end.
This decision is not easy for any lifelong Republican. In 2008 I voted for Barack Obama, the first time I ever voted for a Democrat, because the Republican Party was drifting toward a dangerous path that put extreme party ideology above national interest.
Mitt Romney heads a party remaining on that dangerous path, proving the emptiness of their praise as they abandon our service members, veterans and military families along the way.
What really set me off was Romney's reference to 47% of Americans to be written off -- including any veteran collecting disability like myself, as a postlraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) veteran."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-pressler/larry-pressler-obama_b_1948415.html
@UAWPleeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
"Replace the Pride in our military"
Is that the military that was never mentioned at the RNC?
OBAMA 2012
And where was the almighty bho at the previous three years of celebrating our brave servicemen's accomplishments at Normandy? Oh, that's right, he is, and remains the ONLY U.S. President to NOT honor our brave servicemen who paid the ultimate sacrifice during this pivotal moment in our world history. I'm sure he had more important things to do; campaign, golf, vacation, you know, the stuff that's really important to the Obama family...
More important things to do.
Yep, like looking out for our current service members.
Did you not see him at the Vietnam Memorial?
IRV--awesome post; thanks for sharing. The veterans who have fought to preserve our safety and freedom deserve a fair shot at a good life when they come home. If we invest in their care, they can be productive citizens. It's just like investing in education--an educated populace is a more productive one. Healthy veterans continue to serve our country and lead happier lives when they receive the care they need and deserve. We need a president who is not just willing to commit to wars (eg., Mitt Romney) but also who is willing to support those who risk their lives at war (Obama). I'll stick with the current president who is slowly but surely righting the ship. I'm not willing to go backwards, to the same policies that nearly capsized the ship. Let's move forward--four more for 44!!
but it was ok for the Dems to use Russian ships and planes to tout OUR military?????? sick
If the Republicans are so supportive of our military, why did they fiibuster the Veterans Jobs Act? I'm embarrassed that Senator Toomey from my state voted against this legislation. Probably because he doesn't have to run for re-election for 4 more years but I promise him I will remember that vote and his other votes that have been in lock-step with the GOP agenda.
BUSH QUIT TRYING TO KILL BIN LADEN.
ROMNEY SAID IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE TO GO AFTER BIN LADEN.
Romney hires 17 of 24 advisers from the BUSH/CHENEY/ROVE regime.
Why vote for a team that helped Bush lie nation into war which killed thousands of our troops, wounded thousands more and are still dying and committing suicide?
Why vote for a BUSH Ronmey team that failed already ?
Why hire a BUSH ROMNEY team that failed already?
President Obama is a leader for everyone, including Republican service people. Look at how he retained Bob Gates and Gen.Petraus, from the Bush administration.
Can you imagine Romney respecting Democratic constituents? Me neither. Just like George W. Bush used his office to try and cement Republican control of the judiciary, Romney would conduct his own blood bath. He shows no sign of reaching across the aisle.
Spoken like the true bigot that is UAW .. puhleeeeeeze!!
Terrific article, IR.
UAW, if we as a country expect men and women to volunteer to fight, to put their lives on the line for the rest of us, then the Rest of Us OWE them compensation in the form of VA benefits, health care, pensions because we are asking them to do what over 99% of the rest of us won't do. It seems a small price for the rest of us to pay when expecting less than 1% of the population to possibly give their "last full measure of devotion."
As for why military people tend to vote republican, beats me why they would since the GOP doesn't support them once they return home. I guess it falls along the same line of those living in Apalachia, rural areas, and the south voting their religion, voting on God, Guns, and against Gays none of which affects their pocketbook. Over the last 30 years, the GOP has successfully made social issues their rallying cry in order to take the focus OFF their anti-middle class policies.
Take a look at coal mine owner, Murray--Murray Enterprises; he mandated the miners' attendance at a Romney rally and refused to pay the workers for attending. He also required salaried employees to donate specified amounts to Murray's PAC and to GOP candidates. This is wrong. No employer should be allowed to make politics part of job descriptions. The FEC is investigating Murray; let's hope they throw the book at him.
IR - outstanding post. President Obama has done more for our military and our veterans than any other President of our lifetime. His programs have increased spending for benefits for the military. His proposal would have helped provide more jobs for the military had the GOP not filibustered it.
Michelle Obama and Jill Biden made military families the focus of their efforts to raise awareness and funds for programs that benefit them. They have done an outstanding job.
Republicans? Not so much. In fact, the have voted AGAINST every bill that would have increased beneifts and support for our military men and women.
UAWpleeeeeeease - you know nothing and tout the little you know as loudly as possible.
Obama/Biden 2012
In my opinion, UAW represents the ugliest side of conservative thinking. Perhaps old UAW Displeased "pride" can explain why the military reports shows zero impact on our military, on our fighting capabilities, and on moral since DADT was repealed. Never occurs to naybob bigots that gays have been serving in our military since we established an Army--at least now, they don't have to hide.
UAWPleeeeeeeeease - we keep hoping common sense wins out and you realize that Romney is nothing but lie after lie after lie. If you've actually been paying attention, you know he can't stick to one stance from one day to the next. The teleprompter nonsense is just plain stupid and makes you look foolish for posting it. But hey, you're a good little Romney supporter - can't talk about how good he is - because he isn't - so you post foolishness like the teleprompter comment.
Obama/Biden 2012
UAWPLeaseeeeeeeeeeeeee
Sooner or later Facts win out.
Obama/Biden 2012
Seeking, Jody, great posts.
You seem to have UAW off balance. Not only does he not respond, he deflects.
UAW Pls
Romney runs ads that lie constantly. His welfare reform ad accuses Obama of gutting the work requirement even though the fact is a 20% improvement in job placement is required for any change (requested by Republican governors) to become permanent.
The $716 billion cut in Medicare is due to cost savings according to CBO from ACA and fraud reduction. This same $716 billion in savings was used in Ryan budget to reduce deficit. Romney just lies and lies.
So what Obama ads can you cite?
Jody,
Take a look at coal mine owner, Murray--Murray Enterprises; he mandated the miners' attendance at a Romney rally and refused to pay the workers for attending. He also required salaried employees to donate specified amounts to Murray's PAC and to GOP candidates. This is wrong. No employer should be allowed to make politics part of job descriptions. The FEC is investigating Murray; let's hope they throw the book at him.
Ohio - Coal Miners condemn Obama absolute lies!
A group of coal miners that has become the focus of an anti-Romney attack by the Obama camp has struck back in a new ad accusing the president of “lies.”
The ad is in response to an oft-repeated characterization (and Obama ad) that workers from the Century Mine were forced to attend a Romney rally. That was debunked in September and the Obama ad was supposed to have been altered to pull the footage alleging such a thing. The miners, however, are still upset enough about it to have released an ad of there own, which was partnered with a letter to the president:
google it.
Patriotic AMerican U.S.A.
Call it a jobs bill, call it magic, call it whatever BS you want, it still is just another of the failed stimulous bills Obama has used for Union job support in his one term administration.
Darn straight the Republicans are blocking it. Obama has given enough our our tax dollars to his cronies and supporters. None of which produced any jobs, the only jobs he has created are government jobs in the multitude of agencies now involved in the simple process of checkin the property and buyer of homes for a mortage. Now his "created jobs" are clearing houses full of slow working government employees doing what ONE Loan officer use to do pulling together the reports for an approval or Refusal of a home purchase. Why? To try to deflect the fact that his the Democrat party colluded to wipe out the old bank loan rules to give homes to all his people. We have had quite enough of this crap.
VOTE OBAMA BACK TO CHICAGO. VOTE FOR AMERICA. VOTE ROMNEY
thetotas - Good catch. I googled your suggestion and found it to be true...
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/14/Ohio-Coal-miners-condemn-Obama
Fiesty, Jody, Ron, Bev, etc... Wonder if they will scroll down to the 4th thread to see your catch. If they do, I'll bet they spin it... "Oh, Breitbart! bad source, bad source!" All the link takes you to are the 2 actual letters from the miners (signed by 500 of them). But even though they are only the correspondences, Feisty & Company will discredit the facts for the partisan 'source' it comes from... Perhaps if NBC would cover this... Nah...
The lib's have all RAILED about this one... Do you think they will say "We were wrong" now? Nope! I'll bet on it...
If Breitbart is so forthcoming with information, why have they left this out of their article of 'balanced' news reporting?
Obviously, it gets in the way of discrediting the original story and is thusly squelched.
The miners are responding to Obama's ad. We already know what Rob Moore said and the miners are disputing that.
Not that it matters, I got it from the Blaze.
The coal miners were told they had to attend the Romney rally - or else.
They were DOCKED a day's pay, while they were doing that.
The miner who spoke to the press, said they "knew what would happen" if they didn't attend the rally.
FACE UP TO THE FAUX BALONEY YOU ARE PAYING FOR.
The coal miners are smart enough to realize that Obama wants to shut down ALL coal-fired electrical generation facilities in this country. They know that this will cripple the coal industry and cost them jobs.
Outhouse, your SPIN will not outweigh what they know will happen. Obama HATES coal as an energy source.
Backhouse - You didn't read the links did you? 500 mine employees signed a letter to the POTUS that the add HE endorsed was a LIE! If 500 said it was a lie, how many employees remain to stand opposed - 4 or 5...???
A reasonable person would understand the mine ownership saying no one would be paid for attending the event. If they paid the working shift to stop working and attend, they would have to pay everyone who showed up who was employed by the mine.
If they paid all the employees, how would the left spin that one - having to pay the employees to show up...???
If a presidential candidate showed up at your place of employment, would you attend - even if was not during your regular working hours? Would you show up because you were an invited guest, or would you stay away because you weren't being paid? Think hard about this one - would your employer fire YOU if you weren't able to make it to see the candidate??? Does that even make sense???
Quit digesting what they are feeding you. Vomit the partisan garbage out and start anew!
There is a stench from your blindfold:
"Mitt Romney's new ad, "War On Coal," accuses President Obama of "ruining the coal industry" and putting coal miners out of work. It also showcases footage of Romney speaking at a rally at an Ohio coal mine, flanked by solemn-looking miners.
Those miners, however, are not Romney supporters. In fact, they later said they were forced to attend the rally without pay. Now that the footage has been used in a campaign ad, the political advocacy group Progress Ohio has filed a complaint with the Federal Elections Commission accusing the owner of Murray Energy Corporation of an illegal corporate contribution in the form of his employees."
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/09/24/902851/romneys-war-on-coal-ad-features-miners-who-were-forced-to-attend-his-rally/
So the miners are now saying the CFO was lying about mandatory attendance. Was signing their names to this list and attending the press release mandatory?
RedDevs, These 'GOP 'consequences' threats & scams are just the tip of the iceberg:
"Koch Industries sent 45,000 mailers to employees at Koch subsidiary Georgia Pacific, urging votes for Romney and other conservative candidates. The letter warns ominously of "consequences" for the workers if Republicans lose."
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/10/15/1010581/koch-employee-votes/
Vote the GOP voter suppression party OUT.
The Left's TRUE COLORS Shown
@Backhouse - I guess it goes to show how scared the GOPTP truly are - they are coercing employee votes with open threats of job losses. The ends these GOPTP folks will go to at voter intimidation has been the most appalling and blatant I have witnessed in my lifetime. First through legislation, next threatening employee jobs. It makes one wonder where it stops. At their current pace, they will be at the voting booth armed with machine guns, telling people how to vote. Perhaps they are attempting to throw the entire voting process into Florida style chaos in an effort to have all elections thrown by Supreme Court selections.
RedDev, for the last 4 years, under McConnell and Norquist, the latest incarnation of GOP has crossed the line, countless, countless times, with their LIES and obstruction of job creation.
And now they are suppressing millions of elegible voters from casting their ballots.
GOP even voted No to the Veterans Jobs Bill, a few weeks ago.
No No No to GOP.
UAWPleeeeese-
Really?!? I can see that there might be a Republican majority in the military. If Democrats were more like Republicans, the military vote would be suppressed. Most in the military are more likely leaning to the right because of their assertive personalities drive them that way. Passive people talk things out instead of fisting them out. Any military personnel that oppose the president can be considered passive-aggressive at the least. Proof of this is documented by those servicemen that urinated on the deceased bodies and the burning of the Quran, a show of total lack of respect. Not saying that you have to agree with the opposition but at least respect them. Respect is earned, not given and to put our president, any president, in a position of having to apologize for such actions is absurd. Actions have consequences and I would rather them not be risking more American lives.) We need a Commander in Chief that thinks before he (or she) acts, possibly sending more American Service personnel into more hostile regions of the world that we have no business sticking our noses in with the potential of having severe repercussions further down the road. So we need to elect a decisive leader in Nov and I for one, do not see Mitt Romney as that leader.
Fired up and ready to GO!
Go make a phone call.
Go knock on a door.
Obama 2012
Please.................please.......please come knock on my door!
how about instead of making phone calls and knocking on doors you take a shower and look for a job?
@ Uncle Henry
I am retired from an accounting Job.
Romney and Ryan's math does not add up.
Just looking at it makes me need a shower!
OBAMA/Biden 2012
Uncle Henry, I could assume that you don't have a job and possibly need a shower but I won't make such a stupid assumption as you did.
seriously
Under obama 6 trillion more
in debt middle east in a turmoil border guards killed by one of his projects
ambassador killed from lack of proper security Under obama a greater divide in
AMERICA under obama a new tax that will hurt middle class citizens the most
(obama care) under obam a total lack of transparency. Under obama the division
of races has tripled. obama 1st president to win because of his race obama
causes 1st presidential candidate to lose because of his race(mccain) possibly
second candidate to lose because of his race. That is the true picture of the
lawyer in the white house DO YOU REALLY WANT THIS AGAIN
Sad,
Ryan does not understand Compound Interest in his math.
Ryan has voted "YES" to many things that have added to our debt.
Obama doesn't care about you if he did he would have ran this country insted of being on a campaign four the last four years.
The Left's TRUE COLORS Shown
And did you hear the reason she decided to vote for Mr. Romney? It was, and I quote, "Not for the color of his skin, but the content of his character." And these sickening liberals are just livid that someone of color actually isn't going to vote for someone of color. And they have the audacity to call anyone who doesn't agree with them "racist", when they themselves have devolved from the most racist party in American history!
Congratulations to Felix Baumgartner for his record-setting skydive yesterday. If you missed it, this was quite possibly the coolest thing I have ever watched...and I watched the full two-and-a-half hours plus of coverage online from launch to landing.
In all, Baumgartner set 4 records yesterday...
Highest Altitude Achieved By A Manned Balloon - 128,097 feet
Highest Altitude Of Exit By A Skydiver - 128,097 feet
Longest Distance Traveled In Freefall - 119,846 feet
Fastest Speed Achieved During Freefall - 833.9 mph (1.24 times the speed of sound)
The fall of the Obama presidency -- the speed of light. If Einstein is correct, Obama ought to be kissing his own a$$ about now.
Ben,
What does your comment have to do with anything I posted here?
Yeesh...this puts my 15,000 skydive into perspective!!!! LOL!!
All bama has to talk about is his record, Fast and Furious, Libya, Iran, Syria, and the total debacles that they are.
...which is fascinating considering I guess we're not supposed to talk about Mr. Romney's record.
...can't talk about Bain Capital.
...can't talk about the Olympics.
...can't talk about his time as Governor of Massachusetts.
DaNoid -
Also - Can't talk about his taxes...
Can't talk about his mental health...
I guess the only thing we can talk about are his flip flops...(and not the one's he wears)....
GNOP - we don't need no fact checkers..GNOP CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
C'mon Mythe - show us the 1040's...What ARE you hiding@?!
Frank--lots of people are voting already through early voting and absentee ballots. It's too late for Mitt to FINALLY tell us what he actually stands for. He has told us to wait until he's elected in order to know how he would govern. Sorry, I need details. He is very weak with the specifics, which showed in the Ryan debate as well. I hope this becomes even more clear in the next two debates. The clock is running out for Romney.
More you can't talk about...Romney's religion.
Bishop Romney won't talk about his religion, but teabaggers are still making stuff up about President Obama and his CHRISTIAN religion.
All we know about Romney's religion, is the more money he gives to his church, the more you get to touch the special underwear. The more times you touch the special underwear, the higher your rewards are in the after life.
So I have a question, after they pay ....then get to touch the special underwear, is someone wearing the speacial underwear at the time they touch it? If so, is that not prostitution?
Romney , Mr. Panderpants.....gives money to his church to touch underpants.....
What's up with that?
Wow. You libs don't have any real talking points. Have to resort to underwear? Wow.
Obama really does not have any chance, lol!
Feisty Redhead and Beverly,
You two are just so funny. Why do you even bother? You sound sooooooo desperate ( just like Obama and Biden !!!!). Sorry, you're not changing my mind. Romney 2012!!!!!
Our country is having eceonomic problems, we have 'Muslims Gone Wild" and what is Obama working on?.........
President Obama thinks Nicki Minaj, Mariah Carey can sort out 'Idol' feud
Trico
You are good at reciting Republican talking points.
I watch my TV (as Ryan said) and I see:
Protests in Pakistan against the Taliban over shooting of 14 year old girl who just wanted an education.
Protests and attacks against militia groups in Libya.
Protests in Iran against deteriorating economic conditions there. Sanctions are working.
Unity among most of the world's leaders against the Syrian government's violent actions in Syria.
The anger in the Muslim world over film has dissipated leaving many there wondering how to balance free speech versus religious intolerance.
Iraq War is over and our troop pullout has not resulted in chaos as Republicans predicted.
Afghanistan War is winding down. Afghan troops increasingly take the fight to the Taliban there. Will Pakistan government take fight to Taliban in their safe havens in Pakistan?
It seems to me that the world situation is pretty calm right now. Sorry, Paul Ryan, I don't see what you are talking about.
Yesterday, the N.C. Winston-Salem Journal made an endorsement for President Obama, this is surprising considering in 2008 they endorsed John McCain and may be an indicator that North Carolina will be a win for the President. Last week the St. Louis Post Dispatch also endorsed the President, considering Missouri is a republican leaning state, this too was a surprise. Perhaps, to those who keep up with the news, they see in Mitt Romney a multitude of personalities and positions and in the President we have a proven leader who's fiscal policies are showing the economy is recovering, that employment numbers are improving and polls are reflecting these improvements. It is a long hard climb out of the financial abyss but we are getting there to a brighter future.
Americans have a clear choice between two presidential candidates with starkly different ideas for spurring the economy, providing for the health of our people, defending our interests abroad, educating our children and protecting our environment. We believe that President Barack Obama’s progress on these issues merits him a second term in the White House.
Four years ago on this page, we endorsed Republican U.S. Sen. John McCain of Arizona over Obama. We wrote that we were impressed with Obama, but McCain would “bring the Iraq war to a successful conclusion, work to end American dependence on foreign oil, reduce America's output of climate-changing gases and begin the rebuilding of our economy.”
The Democratic president has done all those things and more. He is calm under pressure and courageous in standing up for the rights of all Americans, including the poor, veterans, the elderly, women, gays and immigrants. In contrast, we’ve sometimes found it hard in the last few weeks to tell just what Obama’s challenger, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, really stands for.
Obama is not always as gregarious as many Americans might like him to be, but he is committed to his country and candid with it — to the point of releasing far more of his tax returns than Romney. While Obama commits the occasional gaffe, we can’t imagine him ever dismissing 47 percent of his fellow Americans — as Romney did, and later apologized for doing.
After weeks of challenges, Romney’s campaign was on an upswing last week after a decisive victory in the first debate. But Obama has had a generally strong four years. He and Vice President Joe Biden form a seasoned, consistent ticket, one much more promising and reliable than that of Romney and his running mate, U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin.
Under Obama’s policies, including the successful bailout of General Motors, the country averted what could have been a far worse economic disaster, maybe even a depression. The economy is slowly recovering — the national unemployment rate has finally fallen below 8 percent — and the president’s policies of continued government investment in infrastructure and education offer the best hope that the recovery will accelerate. Obama promises to cut spending and raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans, but keep taxes where they are for the vast majority.
Romney’s policies — warmed-over trickle-down economics — will make matters worse. We say that with a caveat, however, because Romney’s plans are ever-changing and it is hard to know just where his policies would end and those of the much more conservative Ryan would begin.
On national security, Obama has gotten American combat troops out of Iraq while winding down the American presence in Afghanistan. He has used American military might to fight international terrorism to a degree that no one anticipated in 2008. He showed strong leadership in ordering the successful raid that killed Osama bin Laden. The Obama foreign policy — as seen in Libya — requires our allies to handle a great share of our common defense burden, especially when the interests at stake are dearer to those allies.
We like the president’s stand on Iran, slowly but steadily undermining the Iranian economy rather than launching a premature military strike and setting off another Middle East war.
In contrast, Romney and his supporters have rattled the saber at Iran. Despite Romney’s efforts in the last few days to tone it down as he tacks to the middle, his foreign policy seems to come straight from George W. Bush. Some of Romney’s foreign-policy advisers are the former Bush neo-conservatives who got us into the unnecessary Iraq war.
We like Obama’s health-care plan, finding it far better than that offered by Romney, even if it is largely based on Romney’s own Massachusetts program. We see no sign that Romney, should he succeed in repealing “Obamacare,” would succeed in balancing the many competing health-care interests that Obama worked into a compromise.
We fear that Romney would turn Medicare into a voucher program that would not match the full cost of private insurance for the seniors. His hybrid plan would drive the sickest Americans into a government plan and let the insurance companies cherry-pick the healthiest clients.
On education, Romney, just as Republican leaders here, seems to believe that if we continue to cut public education, we will somehow educate our young well enough.
And on the environment, we’re concerned that Romney would gut protections Obama has restored.
Obama has a keen vision that he has worked hard to achieve, against considerable obstacles and often courageously. But the goal is in sight: An America respected worldwide as much for its prosperity as its defense of liberty and justice.
The Journal editorial board endorses Barack Obama for president.
Do you honestly think that any sane person buys your BS post?
If you arent going to vote for Romney, you might as well vote for the Roseanne Barr / Cindy Sheham ticket.
Proud--I never read them, along with Chris, Bev, Da Noid, etc. Waste of time.
Gingerbread Mamma -
Excellent Post!
Once again, you speak the truth.
Salud
Can't dispute fact, proudamericanveteran... the Winston Salem Journal DID endorse Obama and here's the proof:
www2.journalnow.com/news/2012/oct/14/obama-best-choice-president-ar-2689120/
wow, now that is a shock, not!!
Proud,
Care to refute the post and reference to a newspaper editorial board endorsement. Just because you don't agree with the endorsement, doesn't mean it is untrue.
GBM---thanks for sharing this endorsement. It is nice to see the paper's editorial board seeing through Romney, especially with the "trickle-down economics" that just doesn't work.
GBM - Winston-Salem is where I was born. I am SOOOOO proud the newspaper there is endorsing Obama. I was thrilled in 2008 when the state went for Obama and I will be thrilled when they again choose Obama in November.
Thank you for posting the endorsement. I hadn't seen it and it truly makes me proud.
Obama/Biden 2012
GBM, thank you for posting the newspaper's endorsement. They made a clear case for why they endorse President Obama.
proudAmerican, plsthink90, well, it says a great deal about you and those like you--ignore the fact that Mitt Romney has promised you NOTHING, his math doesn't add up, he will add trillions to the deficit and debt....but you will vote for him in spite of the fact that you don't even know who he is or what he stands for.
Jody, Iowa and Gingerbread Mamma, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch newspaper endorsed President Obama too.
Editorial: Obama for president: A second term for a serious man
~snippets~
To expect Barack Obama to have repaired, in four years, what took 30 years to undermine, is simply absurd. He might have gotten further had he not been saddled with an opposition party, funded by plutocrats, that sneers at the word compromise. But even if Mr. Obama had had Franklin Roosevelt's majorities, the economy would still be in peril.
As to Mr. Romney, we are puzzled. Which Mitt Romney are we talking about? The one who said of himself, in 2002, "I'm not a partisan Republican. I'm someone who is moderate and ... my views are progressive."
http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/columns/the-platform/editorial-obama-for-president-a-second-term-for-a-serious/article_c5371a41-ab43-5724-96e2-2d23eaa56589.html
4 more 4 44
Obama/Biden
Beverly, I do agree with you:
4 more 4 more ...... WEEKS. He had 4 years to do something and did nothing. We can't afford 4 more years of the same. No way!!!
GO ROMNEY!!!
u r really sick
How come Roseanne Barr and Cindy Sheham are not in these debates
Who is "Cindy Sheham"?
wow, I really hope Fiesty and company don't get paid for their posts.
you do realize its just the same person using different accounts right? its called sock puppets. it must suck having your only source of income besides welfare and food stamps come from being a no life forum shill for the failed politics of the dnc.
Speaking of sock puppets, doesn't BHO look like one?
People need to get used to it. Romney will be our next President. He has been successful at everything he has done. He is a real American and will make America #1 again.
Town Hall Debate
From the article above:
President Obama will do just fine in this format. I think he is better interacting with the audience.
The Governor will try and "sound-bite" his way around the questions.
We found out that the Governor didn’t get a big bounce after all, as a lot of voters have filled their ballots before the first debate.
Vice-President Biden’s debate was considered a draw by many, but Joe held his own and proved to everybody he is far more experienced and knowledgeable than the Congressman.
The electoral votes still favor the President and he still holds big leads in key swing states.
All-in-all, with about four weeks to go, the re-election of President Obama is imminent.
Salud
You have to define "a lot....."
"thomas small", all Joe "Bite Me" Biden did was grin, and bray like the very symbol of the democratic party. He had nothing of substance to say, and I mean nothing. His attempt at sincerity had me questioning his sanity. But if there's one thing a career politician knows how to do, is to lie through their whitened teeth, and smile while doing so. And with this being a "town hall" style debate, Obama is going to look the the aloof, condenscending idiot he truly is. I'm sure he'll put forth his best attempt to look sincere, but when you have an ego the size of his, it will be in vain. I just wish he would run on his record...or lack thereof.
salute!
Tomas---I'm still worried. Romney has probably memorized answers to likely questions and practiced acting like he cares about the 47%. He may be able to carry it off for 90 minutes.
My question is why, did Paul Ryan want to be called Mr. Ryan instead of Congressman Ryan, during the debate?
Answer
Congressman Ryan's voting record can be fact checked.
Obama/Biden 2012
Av8tor2 -
Perhaps he wants to get use to the term so it he's not as distraught when he returns to the private sector in January.
Salud
TomasGrande, well said. I took my Mom and we both voted early two weeks ago tomorrow. Nothing Romney or the GOP could say in any debates or local forums would have changed our minds; their policies represent the same failed policies of Reagan, Bush and Bush.
Salud
Debate hasn't happened and you're already making excuses?
Ummm... little Jimmy... don't you know you are not supposed to re-reg while your on suspension!
By doing so, all you do is prove right wing nuts will LIE, CHEAT & STEAL to game the system!
Buh Bye!
Red head, get lost. Your nothing but a moron and you need to put your dunce hat back on again.
And the Fister Sister with a Blister knows how to respect others? LMFAO.
Feisty is really FAT Sgt. Ed ( Dumkoff ) Schultz from MSNBC, aka Obama/Biden 2012.
Feisty: little jimmy from Phila. NOT! That creep is Main Line with all the other Willard types. Nov. 7 he will scurry home with Muffy and Buffy.
4 more 4 44 like your future depends on it; it does.
The situation from the first debate:
The Obama Administration and the Democratic Party (and their media cadre - ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, PBS, MSNBC, etc etc etc) have spent four years creating the myth of Obama - as the kind, bold, intelligent and infallible leader. It has gotten to the point that there is no listening to nor evaluation of any analysis, data, or viewpoint which discounts, contradicts or otherwise calls into question any stance which the President has made.
As an adjunct to that myth, is the contrast of the conniving, evil rich conservative - - and all data and and spin which would support it is presented and any evidence to the contrary is ignored and discounted. And the upshot is that they have spewed it for so long, they have come to utterly believe in their own myth.
So, when presented with the "real" Mitt Romney in an unfiltered, unspun and publicaly broadcast forum they are toally unprepared and unaware of their unpreparedness. And they still believe, because of their own myth about what the candidate has campiagned on and for (all contrary analysis to the contrary), holds the stance is that Romney is fake and a liar - - we will see how the second and third debates pan out. Being more agressive in their self-righteousness (whether justified or not) will only re-emphasize their basic weakness - - they cannot and will not accept any statement or idea or fact unless is comes from the mouth of Barack Hussein Obama.....
Hey Steve- you mean all those news organizations who use FACTS? Do you mean all those news organizations staffed with JOURNALISTS? Fox News( not) has been labeled "entertainment" NOT news by the FCC. Hell, Canada won't even let FOX broadcast in their country because of all their LIES.
Which "real" Romney will show up at the second debate?
1. The conservative one or the moderate one.
2. The Liar.
3. The flip-flopper.
Five minutes after the debate
his staff will put out a statement again saying that is not what Romney meant.
I'm quite certain the same Romney that obliterated the almighty bho will show up for the second debate. The big question is, will Mr. Obama show up? LMAO!
Lets vote for a cult member Yae!!!! Ya right! LMAO
TB -
I am much more inclined to consider the 'church' that Obama went to for 20+ years a cult than I am to consider the LDS.
The Mormons practice charity. What do the "Reverend" Wright and his followers practice?
Mr. Romney will struggle with direct questions from the audience...he is not comfortable with people representing the 47%! The rope line has been a proverbial sand trap for him throughout this campaign. His spectrum will shine through.
I agree that the true spectrum of Mitt will shine through - - as will the speculum from the President.....
teach, actually Mitt will pony up for his statement, and apologize as he's already done. Obama on the other hand, will blame someone else.
His apology was not accpeted by me. I choose to think he will say anything to get a vote. He was showing his true feeling about the American Public in that video speaking to a group of his peers.
No one has been allowed to question Mitt Romney at any event - his handlers have forbidden it. So, getting questions he isn't prepared for could easily be a problem for him - especially if the he asked the same question in different forms. He'll resort to his usual flip-flopping and hopefully will show himself to be the fraud he is.
Obama/Biden 2012
SeekingSanity
No one has been allowed to question Mitt Romney at any event - his handlers have forbidden it.
That's a Sarah Palin tactic.
Obama/Biden 2012
Hi Bev - it's the tactic they use for most Republicans. The holders of the strings have to make sure they don't look more foolish than they already do so they aren't allowed to answer questions.
It will be interesting to see Mitt have to answer questions that aren't all softballs!
Obama/Biden 2012
As opposed to parading in front of the intellegent viewers of "The View", "David Letterman", etc.! Yeah, ole Whoopy really took him to task now didn't she? It's funny you should mention "softballs", seeing as how that's ALL Mr. Obama had received up until the first debate, from the beginning of his term! It is rather unfortunate Mr. Obama won't have the benifit of his beloved teleprompter, spoon feeding him the answers straight from his "handlers". I'm sure it will be tough on the poor guy, with all of the distractions and such; Bengazi fiasco, anemic economic growth, failure to uphold the Constitution (illegal amnesty), cronyism (holder and executive privilege), sexism (against women in the wh, against men in the Dept of H.S.), and reassuring us that the spat between two no talent hacks will be resolved shortly! Well, that was mean, at least ONE of the two can sing...
Boy of boy...the libbies are out in force today. They're trying to convince each other that their boy's going to be ok.
I've been following this and most of the other news threads postings. I'm afraid that anti-obama posts outnumber the libbies by about 8-1. I calls em like I sees em...and it don't look good for the obungler-in-thief!
And, God bless him, Joe the Blow did great last week. He managed to offend the elderly, the independents, and the undecideds. He blatantly displayed rabid liberalism for what it really is. The RNC ad put out immediately after the debate, was devastating. Any liberal who can watch that and still support these two con artists is desperately in need of an enema.
Don't shoot the messenger. I just thought feisty and cohorts might want to check it out, rather than hunker down comfortably in their little libbie coven here on MSNBC. By the bye...has Chris Mathews recovered yet, or has he been hauled away foaming at the mouth and screaming?
That's because so many of the liberals have jobs to go to, whereas the rwnjs have nothing to do except post lies and slanders on every vine. When you have nothing of substance to say, you just keep repeating the same tired mantras. So keep sitting in Mom's basement and blaming the liberals for your lack of ambition and your lack of education and your lack of intelligence. The paucity of objective facts in your posts prove that you have nothing to say, but persist in saying it anyway.
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No time to post.
We are out knocking on doors and making phone calls.
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underemployed -
Nicely put.
The Tea Party Bloggers only know what Faux/Rush/Beck/Drudge tell them to know.
They listen to their manure, then spread it around some more never understanding they are being used.
That is why they were knicknamed "kool-aid drinkers".
Salud
This has got to be the funniest quote in the entire article:
"But most remarkably, Obama has remained steady with African Americans"
MOST REMARKABLY????? Really???
Romney could promise all blacks a good job and a fortune at the end of a rainbow, and Obama could tell them he's going to take every penny they have and make sure they stay on government assistance for the rest of their lives, and they'd still vote for Obama.
No racism here, huh???
Mr. Romney will struggle with direct questions from the audience...he is not comfortable with people representing the 47%! The rope line has been a proverbial sand trap for him throughout this campaign and his spectrum will shine through.
Pretty funny there Jodi. You can't win an election on Flash & Style? Hows that flash & style working out now? ROTFLMAO
Have ANY of you lefties ever wondered why MSDNC hasn't put out a single story in the past two weeks about the TERRORIST ATTACK on 9//11 on our nation and the coverup and blame game garbage from the White House?
Nah, you don't care. You didn't know those people and being safe isn't HALF as important as getting the FAILURE we have in the White House re-elected.
Too bad that you care more about "politics" than you do TRUTH.
Well that didn't take long!
It will be interesting to see if the RWNJ’s abide by Ambassador Steven’s father’s wishes to back off with playing politics regarding the loss of his son.
Or will they continue to politicize his death for their own warped agenda?
Time will tell who will wait until the investigation is complete, when we have all the facts and those who will persist on trying to score political points off this tragedy…
"playing politics"?
Is that what you call it when someone questions why the White House has LIED to us for over a month Feisty?
I wonder, if it had been your son or brother that had been MURDERED in a terrorist attack if you'd be so cavalier with you MORONIC attitude.
"Time will tell". To people like you that means cover it up until after the election and then who gives a dam.
People just like YOU pissed and whined about WMD's after Iraq and NEVER paid any attention to the MILLIONS of Iraqi's that thanked us for NO MORE mass graves, NO MORE gassing, NO MORE torturing, and NO MORE threat of war from Saddam. But of course that was "Bush" so you could "politicize" it all you wanted, right? It was months of "Bush lied", even though it was also the United Nations, and the intelligence of every nation on earth including Iraq itself that said WMDs were there. And what a coincidence that Syria suddenly had WMDs after the Iraq war.
Can you give me some sources to those MILLIONS?
I seem to have missed that...
While you're at it, I would like some sources for this claim as well!
Thanks girlfriend! ;o)
Feisty is a PAID political consultant to Obamas campaign. She is only spewing venom directed by Obama himself. Do not believe the hate she spews
Obama's failed strategy for Afghanistan, 27 March 2009:
http://www.cfr.org/pakistan/obamas-strategy-afghanistan-pakistan-march-2009/p18952
http://www.sais-jhu.edu/sebin/s/c/USAfghanistanPakistanStrategy_CHADBOURNE.pdf
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/09/03/27/A-New-Strategy-for-Afghanistan-and-Pakistan/
http://spectator.org/archives/2012/09/28/the-afghanistan-plan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_U.S._troops_from_Afghanistan
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-on-a-New-Strategy-for-Afghanistan-and-Pakistan/
His strategy is failed! The White House is "lost" and without a compass.
Have ANY of you lefties ever wondered why MSDNC hasn't put out a single story in the past two weeks about the TERRORIST ATTACK on 9//11 on our nation and the coverup and blame game garbage from the White House?
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Not one of your prized "lefties" (Southpaws?) but it's plain to see that every news organization covers the news.
I am sure that your personalized news outlet is covering the stories you deem most important with the slant that agrees with your preconceived notions...Just like those deluded "lefties" have theirs...
Hey Cheryl honey... where did you go?
Come on, show us your proof?
*jeopardy music playing*
Ms. Redhead -
Cheryl said -
I doubt she can give one.
Not to worry. Cheryl's got WMD's.
Wimp of Massive Delusion.
Salud
Cheryl,
I seem to remember millions of Iraqis shouting and wanting us OUT, not thanking us. I certainly don't remember being thanked for bombing with "shock and awe"; I don't remember the Iraqis shouting for joy and throwing flowers at the U.S. military. Don't know what planet you live on, but the Iraqis definitely started hating us for what we did to their country.
I also question your assertion that Syria now has the WMD...just exactly what credible evidence to you have that the state department and military doesn't. Seems we would have heard that from the UN, military, and state department years ago.
ROMNEY HIRES 17 BUSH/CHENEY/ROVE advisers, because lying nation into Iraq war was so good for their war profits. Romney wants another war because those war profits were so good for republicons!
Political spin is improperly applied here. Watching on the european and middle-eastern news outlets on satellite, there was the same confusion in the first day, about whether it was a hijacked protest. But within 2 days there were interviews of local crowds who came to the consultate after hearing the attack, and actaully entered the buiding, found the ambassador still barely alive, took him to the hospital in a truck (though he was DOA). Given the terrorists running around the world with the USA as their biggest boogey-man, security at far flung consulates (which aren't equipped like embassies, and are often mostly locally staffed) is problematic. This attack has nothing to do with the President per se, though. It makes the Repubs sound stupid when they make it so. That being said, as an Obama voter last time, and one who sees he's done a good job so far, its clear he will lose this election with another lost-in-lala-land performance like last time. Romney hasn't a clue what needs to be done differently, but at least he's made clear he's not going to do much of anything the first year, rhetoric be damned.
Cheryl - you can't just post lies here - you will get called on them. And, interesting you don't believe the Smith family's request should be honored. They KNOW a full investigation will take time and want to get all the facts. Not like Romney and idiots like you.
Obama/Biden 2012
seriously
Under obama 6 trillion more
in debt middle east in a turmoil border guards killed by one of his projects
ambassador killed from lack of proper security Under obama a greater divide in
AMERICA under obama a new tax that will hurt middle class citizens the most
(obama care) under obam a total lack of transparency. Under obama the division
of races has tripled. obama 1st president to win because of his race obama
causes 1st presidential candidate to lose because of his race(mccain) possibly
second candidate to lose because of his race. That is the true picture of the
lawyer in the white house DO YOU REALLY WANT THIS AGAIN
NOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!
gordonw12 -
Sorry, amigo, not true.
Everything in your post is Faux/Rush/Beck/Drudge lying fascist propaganda.
Salud
I feel certain Cheryl showed the same Shocked Indignation at Pat Tillman's death, too, right?
That information was out SO timely and Accurately, right?
Sure, let's return to THAT line of 'reasoning' - I mean Romney has managed to hire 17 out of the 24. Kind of makes you wonder how disjointed those other seven are?
Don't know what polls the clowns who write this nonsense use, but almost all the polls now show Romney with the lead. In fact, Illinois which was deemed a sure thing for Obama now has some polling saying the president's home state is NOT a sure thing.
Vegas is giving odds on how many lies Obama will tell tomorrow night. Defending his record is impossible so spin, distortion and lies are his only option.
Close your eyes when your bubble bursts, the only factual lying has been done by R-Money and Mannequin Ryan. The polls show CLEARLY an Obama lead, is just that for you as for all tea baggers, when truth is not on your side, then thou shall not accept it. That has been the Republikkkans motto since Obama was elected, that´s why the whole birth certificate fiasco, always wanted a reason to believe his presidency was not a valid one.
You´re a white joke Larry, I´ll rub it in your face when Obama gets reelected!
Vasco, åctually the birth certificate thing was Obama's fault. He should have just shown it right at the beginning. That could have helped a bit with his bogus transparency platform. The polls clearly show a Romney lead, don''t get too excited that Obama will get to finish us off, just yet.
Romney/Ryan 2012-2020
It is doubtful the president can run a 711 store it is not his talent. But he can inspire the slow minded and organize a marching band. The skills of a small business owner are not needed to run a great nation.