Sorry Kannin: I know you are desperate to feel better. Ryan lost. Big.

Keep in mind NDD, how MUCH fun is it to watch the losers attempt to prop up a insane ticket! lmao

Americans are MUCH smarter than to buy into the bull@!$%# these jerk-off's are lay9ing down!

You all got your clocks cleaned last night, try to acknowledge your wounds and move ON!

Feisty - The only place they are moving is home after they go down in Nov. "DEFEAT"for Mitten's is inevitable.....

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O&Joe 2012

It really is. Ryan was a hot mess last night. The only reason he was downing so much water is because he was SOOOOOOOO nervous.

Do you think he wanted to try for a bathroom break?

My favorite part of the debate was Joe confronting Lyin' Ryan about the two letters asking for stimulus money. The helpless look on Ryan's face was priceless!

Find a job yet, Joe Blow or are you still living off of the government dole?

Shots were fired at an Obama campaign office in Denver. People were inside that office.

I hope they catch whomever did this.

Ahhhh Tony. The statement was directed art Feisty. I know she uses several aliases. Did not know tonybeeerm also. hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

"CUP CAKE" got creamed !

Joe Blow, you're a typical Teapublican. Can't answer a question if your life depended on it. Next.

[The only reason he was downing so much water is because he was SOOOOOOOO nervous.]

Hello Newday...hows things in your neck of the woods?

As for Ryan, the dry mouth was due to lying repeatedly...classic autonomic response.

Coming from someone who would like to vote conservative (if we had a real conservative party) Biden OWNED Ryan. I started watching disliking both candidates, but ended liking Joe. Now, if Obama could grow a pair like Joe has, then he could win the next Presidential debate.

Now, if Obama could grow a pair like Joe has, then he could win the next Presidential debate.

You can bet the next debate won't be like the first one. The Teabillies forget that Kerry cleaned Bush's clock (no surprise there) in their first debate. But then again, asking them to remember anything is a chore in itself.

Biden came across like an arrogant and abusive ex. Ive decided there are two types of people around, civil and uncivil. The surprising fact he knew nothing about the attack and then said that intelligence told him it was a movie mob sounds like a bunch of irish malarky.....

Romney, Ryan in Ohio, revel over VP debate
Ryan asked for federal help as he championed cuts

These are two headlines, and we know Biden busted Lyin' Ryan on this on national tv. I wonder if NBCNews.com is trying to help keep this race competetive. The Wrongme camp must be in armageddon mode this week.

Kannin

CNN sucks they wannbe a second hand FOX

Ryan was thoughtful and respectful? Yea, but he looked like a little boy in the Principals office getting worn out for telling so many lies in class. Too bad it was national TV or he would have gotten his hiney "shined" with a paddeling.........

Biden came across like an arrogant and abusive ex.

And Ryan came across as a clueless stooge who isn't even a convincing liar.

If they got the intelligence wrong on Libya what makes any of you think they have it right on Iran?

OBAMA/BIDEN...FAILED ADMINISTRATION !!!

I was in Franklin, Michigan today running an errand and someone there tells me Ann Romney was there. She was making an appearance at the Franklin Cider Mill, right next to Bloomfield Hills where she enjoyed her privileged upbringing.

The hilarious part is that the cops have the cider mill closed off, and are not letting any cars pass by it because Prancy Pony Lady is there. One lady is the store asked another dude who was there "Lot of people show up?"

The guy responds, "No,.....just 25 people."

Twenty five people in the town she was born in,......and nobody shows up.

Most impressive.

By the way I got on to a conservative website to blog over there and I lasted a day and a half before I was banned.

I say that with a sense of pride. :o)

Surprised I lasted THAT long. I must be doing something wrong.

Neither party is offering any real solutions forward. Gary Johnson is the only candidate with any sensible solutions.

The deception continues in high gear. It's all R&R have. Ryan laid out the exact same ideology that bush governed with. Gads anyone who wants to repeat that crash and burn waste of years is got to be delusional and yes the greed barons and their puppets are delusional.

25 people is about all Franklin, MI can hold at one time. Seriously, if you blink you miss it. Nice area, though. Al Kaline has lived there for years.

Hi Mickey! Great here! Cooled down quite a bit, and the wind is blowing like you can't believe! How about you?

republicans you can't polish a turd and thats what little paulie left you. Keep trying to spin that turd and that won't make it shine. republicans please have your nanny get you all a glass of warm milk and go to bed & you all will feel better in the morning. But that turd will still be there. Than you all can try to put a shine on it.

Al Kaline eh? Super duper high income area though. Can't imagine what some of them joints cost in there.

It was getting clost to rush hour and people were pissed off that My Little Pony Lady was clogging up traffic. Had some pretty annoyed officers too.

Bad situation.

Funny though. A lot of "Obama" signs on Inkster Road on the way up there. I don't think Robme is going to carry Oakland county the way they think he might. He might be in for the disgrace of his life. His own home runs him out of town.

He's supposed to be losing Michigan as it is. One more debate ought to turn out the lights on this boy.

GOP exstinct,

Congatualtion.

I would wear that badge with honor. LOL

Two whole days.....

Thanks for the update about the no shows for Ann Romney in her home town.

Newday, going great here...harvest all done, just picked the last of the lettuces tonight, as we are expecting low to mid 20's here. I was in Colorado for much of the week, so have been catching up on all the FR antics tonight. You guys did a great job!

We're nothing without you, Mickey!

Thanks for the update about the no shows for Ann Romney in her home town.

You are welcome Northstar! They had music blaring out of loudspeakers at Annie's little gathering. When I passed by they were playing "Dancing in the Streets" with Martha Reeves. I think the people there were trying to identify with Motown because that is the "in" thing to do, but in truth, none of them would ever venture south of 15 mile road. Most of them have probably never seen Detroit in their lives. Wouldn't know how to find it on the map. Somewhere past the polo fields,.....I guess.

Neither party is offering any real solutions forward. Gary Johnson is the only candidate with any sensible solutions.

I would like to have seen a couple of other parties in on the debates. Gary Johnson has a solid record, better than the two we have running the public (televised) debate. I am surprised more people don't ask why we are not getting a good picture of ALL of the candidates.

Great reading from Feisty on down. My final word on the debate is that Ryan should be glad he can't get pregnant from "debate rape" or he might find himself in the uncomfortable position of forcing himself to have Biden's baby.

Hah. Hah.

Remember I'm a Republican, so my astute "political insight" is extremely credible.

Old Joe gave Paul Ryan, the Ayn Rand worshipper.............

"A GOOD OLD FASHION POLITICAL WOOPING"

Too bad, how sad, I'm glad.

God Bless president Obama, because he will now be the Ruler, Master, and Overlord, of all you hideous-horrific Republicans and crazy-wacko Teabaggers for the next fFour (yes! 4) very Long years.

Now make sure you all vote, so we can finalyy send Mitt Romney and his Republicans

"Back to the Dung Heap of History"

ok?

Ain't Life grand?

Like Ed Schultz said...

Someone call Romney a Wambulance...

Waaaa Waaaa Waaaaaaaaaaa

I like when romney talks about dead people as if he really gives a shot. How pathetic. We will NOT let these clowns get near the White House!

Most EC counters have moved Romney to 244 as of tonight. Several of these are saying that the trends in Virginia, Ohio, Nevada, and New Hampshire show that they too, may move to the Romney camp in the next few days.

Sulfolk University quit polling in Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia declairing them solidly in the Romney column. I was skeptical of that until the polls the last couple of days.

Somewhere you should begin to figure out that not only you are wrong, but your tactics are wrong.

Mitt is coming out against abortion...do you know why...

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As it turns out..it's personal...his mother thought about aborting Mitt after doctor told her that her son was going to be a spineless and heartless vulture.

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so close...we would lose Mitt - this Angry Bird (vulture) as the butt of our jokes.

Romney and Ryan said they want MORE AFGHANISTAN WAR. Years of it. They can revel in Americas footing kicking their ass out of the race.

Obama 2012

Romney 1040: Go work for Halliburton jerk

G-Dog ....

Great reading from Feisty on down. My final word on the debate is that Ryan should be glad he can't get pregnant from "debate rape" or he might find himself in the uncomfortable position of forcing himself to have Biden's baby.

I think this might be the first of your posts that I've commented on ... and it deserves more than a like. Witty and funny! Thanks! Poor Ryan, got so schooled by Uncle Joe! Maybe he can bring it up when he's teaching economics at the local high school.

Obama/Biden 2012

Com'mon people, if you really listened to them they were both horrible. One side is going to destroy Social Security by privatizing it and the other is going to cut or raise the retirement age to the point that you will be working till your 80 before you can get it.

US vice-presidential debate: Demagogy and reaction

By Patrick Martin

12 October 2012

The assessment of any official political function in the United States, like last night's debate between the Democratic and Republican candidates for vice president, Joseph Biden and Paul Ryan, must begin with a recognition of the reactionary [right-wing] character of the entire framework of the discussion of political issues imposed by the two capitalist parties and the corporate-controlled media.

The exchanges between Biden and Ryan, two right-wing defenders of the profit system, had such a predictable and banal character that it was painful to watch. Biden's forte was hollow populist demagogy, while Ryan appeared to be struggling to conceal his ultra-reactionary views under a layer of political pabulum.

In the wake of President Obama's debacle in the first presidential debate, Biden was tasked with dusting off the old platitudes of Democratic Party liberalism—albeit without the slightest genuine content. He stuck to his talking points: against cuts in Social Security and Medicare, for tax increases on the wealthy, against imposing the social views of the ultra-right on the US population, for the withdrawal of US forces in Afghanistan by the end of 2014, against US participation in new wars in the Middle East.

These positions are no doubt popular, but the Obama campaign seems to be counting on the American public forgetting that the Obama White House and the Democratic Party have repudiated all of them in practice. The Obama administration has moved to slash entitlement spending and make working people pay for the fiscal crisis brought on by the Wall Street crash of 2008. When the Democrats controlled Congress in 2009-2010, they refused to raise taxes on the wealthy and even balked at rescinding special tax breaks for private equity and hedge fund operators like the Republican presidential candidate, Mitt Romney.

As for foreign and military policy, Obama has escalated the war in Afghanistan, stepped up drone attacks in Pakistan and Yemen, intervened in Libya, and is now seeking to subvert the government of Syria in preparation for a confrontation with Iran that could plunge the whole of the Middle East, and the entire world, into a military bloodbath.

In the first minutes of the debate, Biden gloated about how the economic blockade of Iran orchestrated by Washington had devastated the Iranian economy and caused widespread suffering among the people. He boasted of the US role in aiding the Syrian forces seeking to overthrow the Assad regime. And he repeatedly defended the administration by declaring that it had the full support of the Pentagon brass—accepting Ryan's premise that the generals should have veto power over foreign policy.

The questions offered by debate moderator Martha Raddatz—an ABC News foreign correspondent with close ties to the US military-intelligence apparatus—took as their point of departure the unchallengeable legitimacy of the operations of American imperialism abroad and the profit system at home.

Many of them touched on foreign and military policy, in every case tacitly assuming that the United States has the right to bomb, invade and conquer any country it chooses. The discussion between the candidates dealt with the expediency of such military actions, not whether they were legally or morally justifiable...

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/oct2012/deba-o12.shtml

This sad attempt of sweeping the dirt under the rug by R&R reminds me of two kids making prank phone calls to caller Id enabled phones then high five about it. A real bevis and butthead moment.

"Fiscal Cliff" = "Iranian Nukes" ("Iraqi nukes/WMD" in 2003). The Fiscal Cliff is an artificial construction intended to scare the public into accepting huge cuts to Medicare, Social Security etc predatory to destroying the programs completely somewhere in the near future.

"…The push for a post-election budget agreement is taking place against the backdrop of the so-called “fiscal cliff,” a series of measures due to be enacted on January 1, 2013 should Congress fail to pass a deficit-reduction plan by the end of the year…
The prospect of these spending cuts and tax increases taking effect at the New Year is being used to create a crisis atmosphere which the Democrats and Republicans and the media will use to justify an intensification of attacks on the living standards of the...[middle] class…"

Bipartisan Senate deficit deal to cut Medicare, slash taxes for the wealthy

By Bryan Dyne and Barry Grey



12 October 2012

A speech given Tuesday to the National Press Club by Charles Schumer, Democratic senator from New York, sheds further light on the anti-working class character of a federal deficit-cutting deal being worked out in secret, with the backing of the Obama administration, by a group of four Democratic and four Republican senators.

The discussions by the so-called “Gang of Eight” underscore the undemocratic character of the elections. Behind closed doors, with the support of the leadership of both big business parties, plans are being laid to impose unprecedented cuts in basic social programs such as Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and food stamps, along with further tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy.
The aim is to reach an agreement that will be passed after the elections by the so-called “lame duck” Congress (whose term will expire at the beginning of January) for austerity measures and tax cuts for the rich. These measures are not being discussed by either presidential candidate or either party in the election campaign. They are to be put in place regardless which party controls the White House and Congress, with the electorate denied any opportunity in the elections to express its attitude to them.
Schumer is not part of the “Gang of Eight,” but as the third-ranking Democrat in the Senate, a member of the Senate Finance Committee, and one of Congress’ biggest recipients of campaign funds from Wall Street, he has intimate knowledge of the group’s discussions. In his speech, he made clear that the Democratic Party has agreed to major cuts in basic entitlement programs such as Medicare and that the budget plan currently being worked out includes cuts in both corporate tax rates and personal income tax rates for the wealthy…

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/oct2012/schu-o12.shtml

"Me thinks thou doest celebrate too much!" I was not a win it was trounching!

I was totally embarrassed by the debate. I hope other countries were not watching!

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The people are starting to realize that the current administration has no fresh ideas, not one clue. The polls are showing us what we need to know, that people are waking up and scratching their heads, saying "how the he!! did we get into this mess, and what needs to happen to get us out!"

I think Obama is a great orator, Biden on the other hand is embarrassing.

Like I said, I really hope that other nations were not watching. It was unfortunate that we as a nation had to see Joe Biden act like a grade school boy.

Now we see Jay Carney walking back the Biden lies... remember lies Dems? that is all I ever hear from you lefties, about all the lies!! Well, when you got nothing good to say about your man, I guess that is really all you got!

GT-2021701

Romney, Ryan campaign in Ohio, revel over VP debate.

If getting your ass kicked is something to revel about, so be it.

Good one, GT!

Romney actually seems to enjoy being bested. Or maybe he's just clueless about the whole thing. He always has the same little smirk plastered on his face no matter what he might be feeling (if indeed he has any feelings).

I can picture Romney's face if he had been president when 9/11 happened and he was given the news. Same smirk.

Is it a mask? Is he a human being or a robot?

We cannot allow that power-mongering, smirking liar to lord it over our entire country and most of the free world! Our allies would never forgive us for putting that man in the White House.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Piogotry

The only reason Romney/Ryan are saying anything about that is the press asks. What is destroying Obama/Biden is themselves.

The economy is not doing well enough.

The ACA is threatening what jobs there are.

They are suspicious of foreign policies because they are seeing Al Qaeda and the Taliban are regaining footholds in the Middle East.

What they see is the left screaming lies, not allowing the others to express their ideas uninterupted, ridiculing others, and not fully coming clean about events.

America is smarter than the left thinks.

...people are waking up and scratching their heads, saying "how the he!! did we get into this mess, and what needs to happen to get us out!"

If some Americans are just now waking up to what eight years of Bush/Cheney did to our country and to the world, then those people should go right back to bed and resume their comatose state.

Let the rest of us-- those of us who pay attention, who use reason, who think for ourselves instead of following the dictates of Grover Norquist, a cult, or a radio shock jock-- let us decide for ourselves! LET US VOTE!

Get out of our way and let us fix it. Stop obstructing this administration!

I think Obama is a great orator, Biden on the other hand is embarrassing.

If you are not embarassed by Romney and by what his his 47% speech revealed about him, if you think an honest man like Joe Biden is an embarassment, then you and I have values that are polar opposites.

This is what this election is all about: do we want a plutocrat or a man of the people in the White House?

OBAMA/ BIDEN 2012

Hey Ohioans, don't let the 1% hijack your democracy, vote R & R out !!!!

The same 4-7 people posting daily drivel, on this blog, degrades the opportunity for us to learn and listen. It does nothing to guide this nation and us as its people.

Joe could have won, but interrupting 82 times (Romney did not do this to Obama) and laughing with nearly every comment lost credibility in Biden, not Ryan. If Biden laughed at a couple of points, then we could have assumed it was at a presumed lie.

We the People, are not that easily misled....

So I guess Joe was to sit there and let Ryan lie and lie so the republicans could claim that Ryan won the debate like Romney did with all his lies.

If all you can complain about is Joe smiling then Ryan lost much worst than you think.

As for women who think they deserve the same freedom as men, with her being able to decide her own health choices like men do without idiots like Akin and Ryan in charge of her body.

If I can't have an abortion to save my own life as the republicans like Akin and Ryan desire, then how is that freedom? Even Romney backtracked after saying he believed that women should be able to get an abortion for her health, his campaign came out and said he didn't.

If I am raped and get pregnant to save my own sanity the republicans like Ryan and Akin don't believe I have the right to an abortion. How is the government being in charge of my body freedom?

What I don't understand is why the republicans are demanding that every child be born just so they can deny that child food and education and clean air to breath after it is born.

Yes, more struggling more poverty and more women dying in childbirth. That is the dream of the republicans who think they are so self righteous. You get to suffer so they can feel better about themselves.

The republicans talk about freedom all the time while they want to take mine away claiming they know better about my life and my health than me. Truly the republicans think stupid men like Akin and Ryan should decide about my health care rather than me and my doctor.

VOTE FOR WOMEN'S FREEDOM...VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT 2012

Biden went into the debate with one agenda, lie. Biden lied about the two wars, both of which he voted to send troops. Biden lied about the security in Libya. Maybe Obama should attend security briefings on occasion. Biden lied about who would be impacted by the Obama tax plan, and also failed to mention it will do nothing to address the massive debt they are running up. Biden came across as a rude grumpy old man that should have been kicked out of Washington years ago, as he is part of the problem and not the solution. Only a liberal could justify someone like Biden.

Independent Thought

Joe could have won, but interrupting 82 times (Romney did not do this to Obama)

What debate were you watching? Romney interrupts Obama in debate

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10/03/romney-clarifies-people-would-lose-medicare/

Plus , MYTH interrupted the moderator and promised to fire him.

The Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University counted a total of 30 times that Obama and Romney interrupted Lehrer this week. Obama and McCain, in their first debate, interrupted him just 10 times.

Is the Fear of a Black Planet taking hold?

LANCASTER, OH - OCTOBER 12: A supporter of Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Republican vice presidential candidate U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) waits for a campaign event to begin on October 12, 2012 Ohio with an offensive, racist t-shirt on.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/getty/article/ALeqM5hBc4Z1xzhDbWrGPjvkvByB3aP_gw?docId=154020260

Romney should reject this type of action!!! But, then again Romney's whole campaign is based on fear mongering.

One LIE came from Myth Romney opening his trap lying about Lydia when he didn't know W-T-H he was talking about playing politics.

http://www.juancole.com/2012/10/top-ten-things-mitt-romney-gets-wrong-about-us-middle-east-policy.html

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Obama/Biden 2012

Beverly,

Reread your post. Nothing correlates with 82 rude interruptions.

Obama and Romney both interrupted, a total of 30 times. Biden was beyond reasonable with his demeanor, interrupting and giggling. You really respect that? Guarantee you wouldn't take that from a spouse, boss or neighbor, ever.

Romney, did say he wouldn't borrow funds from China to pay for programs such as PBS. Please don't paraphrase.

Our nation has to be honest about the massive debt issue and make tough decisions.

The main question regarding Biden's performance ...

Will Saturday Night Live be inspired, or simply shake their head and say "we can't top that."

Independent Thought

Soooooo, he still interrupted him. Furthermore you righties cry foul, we didn't we admitted we lost. Call the Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance cry babies!!!

FYI: MYTH will say any damn thing to get elected that includes all the LIES he tells.

You do know of the one latest Bain Capital scandal about Romney and China.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/10/mitt-romney-video-wythe-glenn-beck-cleon-skousen

How about another one of him closing a plant in Freeport IL? No borrowing there! HUH?

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Obama/Biden 2012

I apologize to the RWNJ's for Jolten' Joe Biden opening up a can of WHOOP ass on your loser candidate!

Feisty,

By all accounts, even though Biden was the louder of the two, the debate was a draw. Let's say Biden won if it gives you libs a tingling up your legs, VP debates mean nothing. If VP debates change minds, then we would have had President Dukakis.

Beverly,

Review your behavior. Want to be respected, behave with respect.

The VP debate was basically a tie, and can be justified for one side or the other. Read all the blogs on multiple sites, I am not spouting untruths.

Aggressors think they win, if they are louder and more obnoxious, but that is rarely the case.

Road Warrior-1005773

Feisty,

By all accounts, even though Biden was the louder of the two, the debate was a draw. Let's say Biden won if it gives you libs a tingling up your legs, VP debates mean nothing. If VP debates change minds, then we would have had President Dukakis.

Exactly, that's why MYTH will not win Ohio. You do know no republican president has won the presidency since President Lincoln?

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Beverly,

Our current debt trajectory is unsustainable. I see no new game plan from our leadership. My kids depend on us to choose wisely.

Romney/Ryan at least have a plan. What is Obama/Biden's? We simply can't continue to add this volume of debt to the backs of our children.

You do know no republican president has won the presidency since President Lincoln?

Beverly,

You do know the electorate votes for Ohio has declined from 26 to 18 since 1980 and doesn't have much more influence on the election than NC which has 15? The state lost another 2 electorate votes since 2010. This may be the first president who did not win Ohio. Not to say Obama got a got a lock on the state. He doesn't.

Here is another interesting fact about Ohio. In 1860, the state had 23 electorate votes. The total national electorate vote count in 1860 was 288 compared to 540 today. Using that ratio, Ohio would have 43 electorate votes today instead of the measly 18.

Independent Thought

Beverly,

Our current debt trajectory is unsustainable. I see no new game plan from our leadership. My kids depend on us to choose wisely.

Romney/Ryan at least have a plan. What is Obama/Biden's? We simply can't continue to add this volume of debt to the backs of our children.

Perhaps, if you knew the facts about the direction Myth is taking us you wouldn't make such sweeping generalizations.

Ryan's budget turns Medicare into vouchers. It includes the same $716 billion of savings Romney last week accused the President of cutting out of Medicare – but instead of getting it from providers he gets it from the elderly.

It turns Medicaid over to cash-starved states, with even less federal contribution. This will hurt the poor as well as middle-class elderly in nursing homes.

Over 60 percent of its savings come out of programs for lower-income Americans – like Pell grants and food stamps.

Yet it gives huge tax cuts to the top 1 percent – some $4.7 trillion over the next decade. (This is the same top 1 percent, you might add, who have reaped 93 percent of the gains from the recovery, whose stock portfolios have regained everything they lost and more, and who are now taking home a larger share of total income than at any time in the last eighty years and paying the lowest taxes than at any time since before World War II.)

As a result it doesn't reduce the federal debt at all. In fact, it worsens it.

Source: Robert Reich, one of the nation's leading experts on work and the economy, is Chancellor's Professor of Public Policy at the Goldman School of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley.

LOL, R/R have a plan? Is that way Paul Ryan couldn't explain the Plan On Fox news?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM66-SxHDu0&feature=related

Or is it sooooooo good they must keep it a secret?

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Independent Thought

There is no Romney/Ryan plan to reduce the deficit. Reducing the deficit makes money available for social programs. They need a huge deficit to force the shrinking of social programs (the government). Mark my words. If elected, they will explode the deficit to promote their extreme right agenda. Mark my words.

They will leave the money in the hands of the wealthy (the private sector) and not move it to the public sector to pay down the debt. As with Reagan and Bush, they want a huge deficit to force the reduction of government. They also wish to broaden the tax base by putting more taxes on the 47%. Taxing this group an additional 20% doesn't get much per individual, but it would produce hundreds of billions because of the numbers. And yet again, this money would be moved to the wealthiest among us and never to pay down the debt. Mark my words.

Road Warrior-1005773

Beverly,

You do know the electorate votes for Ohio has declined from 26 to 18 since 1980 and doesn't have much more influence on the election than NC which has 15? The state lost another 2 electorate votes since 2010. This may be the first president who did not win Ohio. Not to say Obama got a got a lock on the state. He doesn't.

Whatever, still there is no other path for R/R to win.

From an unbiased point of view Ryan won that debate. Biden was crude, obnoxious, laughed inappropriately, interrupted constantly with sophomoric remarks, and generally showed himself to be an unsophisticated moron.

The comment made by Biden that they did not know of the pending unrest and possible attack, and the request by the consulate for a contingent of marines to counter the growing threat, was an outright lie, or a demonstration of grotesque incompetence on the part of the Obama administration.

Washington was warned at least a week before the attack that the environment was becoming hostile and dangerous for any American personnel in Benghazi. This was widely reported in the Israeli press. London knew and withdrew its embassy staff two months prior to the assassination. There was a failed assassination attempt of London's Libyan ambassador that June. If MI6 knew of the Al Qaedea build-up then so did the CIA.

The idea that the administration really thought the assassination was due to the video was a lie perpetuated on the American people. They knew it was an attack by Al Qaeda. When Biden said that intelligence took time to sort this out he is lying. Only an idiot would have believed it was anything other than an Al Qaeda attack.

The state department received numerous requests by the Embassy in Benghazi for marines. When Biden said this was not so he is lying.

You liberal guys can gloss over this and believe it is no big deal. This is a huge issue and the fact that more of you folks don't even understand this is in itself a big issue.

Ryan did not lose the debate. Those of you who believe he did are looking at this through really thick and dark rose colored glasses. The polls are beginning to lean toward Romney. He now leads in three of the battle ground states that he previously trailed. If Romney does well in the foreign policy debate, and he very likely will, Romney's lead will only grow.

Liberals should be very concerned right now. If you are not you really don't see what is happening.

"R & R Plan is Hearsay and nothing more !!!!!!!!!!!

R & R Say Trust us ?????????????????????????????????????

Here is the most accurate reflection of the debate talking points that I have come across so far. These are facts and not perception orientated.

If truth bothers you. Then you are the problem.

CNN poll hands the debate for RYAN with 48% versus Biden's 44%

...with a 5% margin of error. That's a tie.

The truth about the debate is that it created no bounce no bump no swing and independents and undecideds walked away unchanged so Biden did not provide them with any answers they were looking for

It will be very hard for President Obama to behave as aggressively aka foolish as joe biden did in Tuesdays town hall style debate as the questions will be asked by members of the audience and answers should be directed back to them

It is increasingly clear that this administration has no new ideas and admits they have no idea when we could see unemployment numbers dip to a goal of about 6% which is still 2 times what the norm once was

It is a statistical dead heat with a 20 point drop in interest among young people, and Hispanics 2 large demographic groups that helped carry Obama in 2008

momentum seems to be with the republicans since the first debate

CBS poll showed undecided voters favored Biden over Ryan in the debate, 50% to 31%.

Hey Kannin, maybe Ryan won the debate according to the experts, but by reading some of these posts he got his @ss kicked. Nice guys finish last.

When Romney and Ryan are giving speaches in Ohio, are they bringing up that Mitt wanted to gut GM? Are they saying they want to increase millitary spending, tax breaks for the wealthy, privitize social security, vouchers for medicare? No they are probably saying they will provide jobs, right? Maybe he will bring the jobs back that he sent oversea's and lined his pockets with cheep labor. Is he telling you that he wants to bring that money back to the good old U.S that he put in the banks in other country's instead of the banks in our country? Did he tell you that he will now show his full tax returns instead of a summary of them? Is Ryan telling you like he said in the debate that they will stay longer in Afghanistan than President Obama wants to?

Pennsylvania for Obama/Biden 2012

When Romney and Ryan are giving speaches in Ohio, are they bringing up that Mitt wanted to gut GM?

Romney wanted GM to file bankruptcy. GM received about 50 billion dollars of bailout money. They are headed for bankruptcy again. All we did was delay the inevitable. In the end the bailout will not have saved the patient.

The numbers are stark. The 500,000 shares of GM stock, comprising 26 percent of the company owned by the government–or more accurately the American taxpayer–sold for $20.21 on Tuesday. This left the government holding $10.1 billion worth of stock representing an unrealized loss of $16.4 billion. Even worse, in order to reach the break-even point, the stock would have to sell for around $53 per share.

Wait, I am not done yet.

The numbers remain in flux. As Investors Business Daily reveals, the Treasury Department continues "to revise upward the staggering losses inflicted on U.S. taxpayers." They further note that the same day GM announced it was recalling 38,000 Impalas used by police in both America and Canada, due to a possible crash risk, a new Treasury report forecast that losses for GM were expected to reach $25 billion, which is $3.3 billion more than predicted earlier. Furthermore, since that report was based on GM's stock price at the time of the report–15 percent higher than it is currently–those losses are likely understated.

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/arnold-ahlert/obamas-gm-success-story-headed-for-bankruptcy/

GM should have been gutted back in 2009. Romney was not even close to being wrong.

Did Biden smile when Ryan equivocated, yes. Did Biden roll his eyes when Ryan couldn't add up two plus two, yes. Did Biden throw up his hands in disgust at Ryan's lies, yes. Did Biden seem to get angry and speak with emotion and conviction about what really matters in this country?....Hell yes!!!

And I will take a Biden who cares and shows it over a Ryan who will with no emotion screw everyone in the country, any day, any year, any election. I choose Biden any day over a total loser like Ryan who can't add, but is the Republican choice for budget chairman. It's the same thing with Republicans all over. Two or the Republican members of the Science Committee are Akin, who thinks that a rape cannot possibly result in a pregnancy, and Broun, who thinks that the Evolution and the Big Bang theory come directly from the devil. If those two are the Republican contributions to science, why should we think that Ryan can even add. After all, Ryan has admitted that he preferred to go to Med School, until he found out that the math requirements were something he had a problem with. The math challenged should not be named the experts on a budget.

Independentthought,

Please tell me about Romney and Ryan's plan? It calls for reducing the deficit with a $5,000,000,000,000 cut in taxes and and $2,000,000,000,000 increase in military spending? The plan calls for cutting loopholes that Congress will decide. If all the loopholes are cut by Congress that would give us 5% of the money that the republicans have totaled to be $7,000,000,000,000.? Please explain the math. and the plan??????

GM received about 50 billion dollars of bailout money. They are headed for bankruptcy again.

This is pure conjecture - there is no evidence to support such a statement. GM took a hit on profits due to the European economic crisis, but still made a quarterly profit of $1.5 billion.

So my fellow Republicans I'd like to offer you an opportunity to spell out your plans to move this country forward without using the typical Republican talking points...please give me specifics. I don't want to hear about a "5 point plan" because that's the "big picture". For instance:

1. When you cut taxes on the rich (those making more than $250,000.00 a year) will you be shifting the tax burden to the middle class and below? If you say no...where will you make up revenue beside massive spending cuts? If it's spending cut, please specify which programs you plan to cut!

2. Are you going to force the military into to buying weapons systems they aren't even requesting? Unnecessary defense spending, especially when the military isn't asking for it, is bankrupting this country. Fighting two wars, one we didn't ask for, is bankrupting this country. Did Republicans think about that before we went to war in Iraq? Not only did we lose money waging that war...we lost human lives on a lie! What are Republicans doing to fix that one glaring problem?

3. Are you going to remove all financial regulations instituted after the great "Collapse?" What are you going to do when the financial industry goes back to its predatory practices and causes another collapse?

4. Are you going to cut Medicare and Medicaid? How about going after Medicare and Medicaid fraud? The money you recover on fraud or waste will pay for Health-care reform. Those that commit the biggest fraud are those in the medical industry. Why not police the industry - health care should not be about profit - paying for a service yes and some profit - but not solely about or for profit? Throughout history we have seen that profit drives corruption and fraud.

5. After seeing the multiple benefits of Health-care Reform...should you actually repeal the law...what do you propose in its place? How do you plan to cut down inflationary health-care cost? Insurance costs? How do you plan to protect the American people from greedy pharmaceutical companies?

6. If you don't like the health care insurance "mandate", why aren't you pushing to end all insurance mandates, i.e. auto insurance, home insurance etc? It's the same thing. Better yet, if you're never in an accident, why not establish a law that gives a percentage of our money back because we didn't file a claim? In the end, insurance is just giving money away.

7. Are you going to end Social Security as we know it? Why? Why not go after those committing Social Security Fraud? Why not put Social Security in a lock box...you can't use those funds other than for the welfare of our aging society?

8. The biggest enemy of small business is big business. What is the Republican Plan to help with small businesses? Reducing taxes? How about getting our products overseas? How about applying tariffs on imports or in lieu of tariffs, how about enforcing trade agreements and reducing the trade imbalance? How about regulating businesses like Wal-Mart, Kmart, etc., in such a way that they have to buy America before they buy China, Taiwan, Japan or Korea?

I have many more questions and concerns...and Republicans provide very little in answers or substance....other than a so called 5 Point Plan!

Media Matters posters represent 90% of those using this site. The Romney character assassins enjoy the buffoons and morons on MSNBC and parent network of liberal losers on NBC but that is not representative of the voters in this election. Illinois for example is divided with the far left crowd in Chicago and the downstaters who have been shafted by Obama and Chicago for decades. Ohio isn't going for Obama and neither is Iowa they are learning to keep there views to themselves and then vote against Obama/Biden

If Ryan had facts, he wouldn't have been laughed at.

Another explanation is simply that Biden is getting senile.

Kannin - And the little lying twerp still got his ass whipped...!!!LOL!!!

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O&Joe 2012

Biden's asinine grinning and laughter even while the most serious subjects were being addressed was creepy!

And Ryan's fish eyes weren't? He wanted to smile too, but I think he forgot how to. And btw, why was it okay when Romnuts was rudely interrupting in the first debate, but last night it wasn't? Is it because you're favorite son got his butt handed to him?

GT - It's all in how you perceive the action of the participants. Biden was so busy showing everyone that he strapped on his big-boy panties for the night that he couldn't make any believable argument for the Obama administration. He went with the "I have more time spent in Washington and you aren't worth my time!" attitude.

Looking at your responses, I think to get my point across, I'll belly crawl on your level to ask a couple question. Is that Fiesty Redhead in your embrace and is it a recent photo? Going to roll in the dirt, you might as well play and enjoy it!

No Kat, It's your mother.....

KatJo2 - haven't seen many debates, have you? I thought Romney's actions in the first Pres debate was out of line, but you don't here us complaining about it like a bunch of spoiled brats, do you? Face it, you're boy got beat last night. It won't be his last defeat either. Nov. 6 is fast approaching and the numbers don't look good for ya'all.

(Kannin) In respect to your quoting a CNN pole showing Ryan with a score higher than Biden, CNN came out later in the day saying their pole wasn't accurate as it had overpoled Republicans. Sorry but all other news media, other than FOX, of course, reported Biden winning by 50-31.

Ryan is at his best when discussing and analyzing facts and figures

He's good with the latter,....when was he going to bring the former?

katjo2 Biden was so busy showing everyone that he strapped on his big- boy panties.............

To bad little paulie had on his little girl panties last night. Because it sure looked like he wet them by the time it was over.

Romney must have been watching a different debate than I saw. Ryan got his butt kicked in the one I watched.

Im surprised Biden didnt fall out of his chair holding his stomach, kicking his legs in the air as he laughs uncontrollably at Ryans continual lies. I almost thought by the end that Lyin Ryan was going to break out in rivulets of sweat Like Ted Stryker in AIRPLANE!

Looks like FR finally made a few of you with no manners clean up your avatars, except for GT, are you 12? Some of you (you know who are) still resort to childish images, uneducated language and a total lack of manners in expressing your opinion. It's too bad you have to shout, cuss and act like you were "raised in a barn" in your feeble effort to offer an intelligent discourse on what is happening in this country. You have failed miserably and I think you bait and taunt people because you have nothing better to do.

Lyin Ryan was going to break out in rivulets of sweat Like Ted Stryker

Or like the doorman in Wizard of Oz JohnRN. Bwahahaha. Thanks a lot. Now that my head is filled with that visual I will be totally unable to view subsequent debates with erupting into gales of laughter.

Blast you JohnRN.

Tony,

BTW: YAY Tigers!! Verlander is a stud. On to the next victim!!!

Some of you (you know who are) still resort to childish images, uneducated language and a total lack of manners in expressing your opinion. It's too bad you have to shout, cuss and act like you were "raised in a barn" in your feeble effort to offer an intelligent discourse on what is happening in this country.

What's that old cliche about the pot calling the kettle black? Guess you haven't seen posts from the likes of No Jo, Spanky, and the rest of the re regs. Must be hell going through life with blinders and earplugs.

I will give that to you Tony, you are the one that would know about the pot calling the kettle black. Funny that you would respond to a post that mentioned no names. I can't imagine your distress at having to wear blinders and earplugs.

Feisty the Redhead C_NT in Roselle, IL what's Hussain's platform again? Hey, how's his sphincter taste?

Oh really, why? Looks like FR finally made a few of you with no manners clean up your avatars,

I do not know about most, but I changed my original avatar (my cat's behind as a symbol of most conservatives IQ). Not as a response to FR, but because fellow liberals even found it insulting. Although, I felt it was so funny.

4 more 4 44

And you probably thought it was funny to watch a respected position, the Vice President of the United States of America, act like a 9 year old during the debate. I really think that we should have that position filled with someone, anyone, who could show respect and class... what I saw was a drunk sailor

Must be hell going through life with blinders and earplugs.

Yes...now if we could only get the GOP monkeys to stuff something in their mouths when they're tempted to lie or come out with yet another crazy conspiracy theory...

Hasn't one of them suggested yet that Ryan's water was tampered with, making him incapable of debating? :)

Oh Really,

Thank you for the comments. The same 4-7 people posting daily drivel, on this blog, degrades the opportunity for us to learn and listen. It does nothing to guide this nation and us as its people.

Joe could have won, but interrupting 82 times (Romney did not do this to Obama) and laughing with nearly every comment lost credibility in Biden, not Ryan. If Biden laughed at a couple of points, then we could have assumed it was at a presumed lie.

We the People, are not that easily misled....

Ryan was the Echo of Romney's Lies, these two Clowns want to Cleanse the Middle Class !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Patriotic,

In the depths of your heart, you really believe that?

Only liberals can justify Biden's behavior, or his countless lies. Biden lied about the two wars, both of which he voted to send troops. Biden lied about the security in Libya. Biden lied about who would be impacted by the Obama tax plan. Biden lied about prescription drugs for seniors when it was again something he supported. I guess if all you can do is lie, you might as well be rude, shout, and interrupt. If Biden's behavior and lies add up to winning for liberals, no wonder they can overlook all the Obama failures.

Biden lied about nothing dude, go sleep it off !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lyin Ryan was drinking more water than Lake Erie. It was funny how he tightened up and got nervous. Guess that nose grew longer than he even thought.

As far as I am concerned quit with being nice in the debates. If someone is lying then jump in and confront him about it. Anyway, I would like to see shock collars on the candidates. If they lie give them a jolt!! Increase the shock everytime they lie. Poor old Romney/Ryan will end up fried on the spot.

Obama/Biden 2012

Do you think the marks from that whipping that Joe gave him still sting?

Little Lyin Ryan will not be able to sit down for at least a week!

Notice the troll brigade who are relentlessly trying to spin themselves into some kind of relevancy? lol

It can't be done!

Notice the troll brigade who are relentlessly trying to spin themselves into some kind of relevancy?

They wouldn't admit defeat if it was lopped off and handed to them. Reality will hit on Nov. 6 when the Romney/Ryan Circus Tour comes to an end.

And all the clowns spill out of the car, dejected!

I find it telling that both Romney and Ryan are in Ohio at the same time.

Biden is in WI, and the president in another state.

Wonder what R/R internal polling is telling them?

I am sure their electoral map with their outside chances does not look promisng at all.

And time is now not on their side. Voting is taking place all over the country.

Absentee ballots are now in voters hands.

Wonder what R/R internal polling is telling them?

I don't know, but it smells like desperation.

Republicans now are faced with quite a conundrum. Can Romney, already lame, and afflicted with hoof and mouth disease, carry both Ryan, and their pile, alone, without falling down and spilling the whole stinking shebang? A very dubious and ugly prospect.

After all the speeches and debates and everything else, ad nauseum, the Romney/Ryan reality is; No Capital Gains tax, that way Mitt will have a $0/0% tax bill. No Estate Tax so the Romney spawn will never have a tax liability. And then there is Ryan who wants control over every vagina in America.

Ryan keeps the Mitt Magic going. Biden does he usual antics making the current adminstration looking even more Bozo than Barack did last week.

The pain of it all....

Any thought what you're going to do when President Romney cuts off your welfare checks?

Truth Conveyer?

They had one those on a farm I worked at, it conveyed poop!

And time is now not on their side. Voting is taking place all over the country.

Absentee ballots are now in voters hands.

...and President Obama is winning early voting in Ohio by a 2 to one margin!

The first debate was a wakeup call, my friends. We cannot allow ourselves to become complacent, no matter what the news or the polls. We must WORK to re-elect this administration. Get on your walking shoes and charge up your cell phones. Be part of the grassroots effort!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Joe,

No. But hopefully he keeps the charitable donation deduction. It will keep me donating 30% of my income instead of 25% to non-profits such as Planned Parenthood.

The GOP plan for success and prosperity for the American people is....

#1 Cut taxes 20% across the board...maybe not for the middle class.

#2 Cut healthcare for 30 million neighbors and families.

#3 Cross your fingers!

Max,

And Obamas plan is what????

@kannin...you lost ....deal with it!

Biden answered his questions better than Ryan did when he was trying to claim negligence for lowering the numbers of Americans in a dangerous area and replacing them with Afghans. As Joe pointed out we've been training these 315,000 Afghan soldiers for over 10 years and you'd rather have more American troops there than Afghans because it's dangerous?

Kannin, if you knew anything about the Middle East and the Salafis, rebels overthrew Kaddafi, almost everyone there still has an ak-47 and RPG's are probably a dime a dozen.

Didn't I hear once that the ambassador himself requested limited security? He did so because he wanted to be closer to the populace.

@ Truman

We all lost, dignity.

Most ambassadors and embassies are in catch 22 situations. The purpose of embassies is to be a open house for communication. When ambassadors are moving about with a large contingent of security forces and have embassies that are being rebuilt like prisons it often sends the wrong message and local residents and they perceive those as threats. The remodeling of our embassies is being done by private contractors. The same ones who build prisons. Would you take a client to dinner at a restaurant with barbed wire and guys with machine guns running around?.. I'll pre exclude white supremacists and militia members in my example question.

You sound like a sore loser Kannin, as you should, because Lying Ryan got hammered by the old man. Tired of you Teatards screaming about "liberal" media bias when in fact, most of the media creates false equivalence when trying to hold the Democrats to account. Take for example Biden's statement about Ryan "introducing" a budget that would add $6400 per year in costs to every senior. This is 100% true, no if ands or buts. Ryan did introduce such a budget and Biden was pointing out how much of an out-of-touch right wing idealogue Ryan is. But the fact checkers called Biden's statement "misleading" because Ryan, under pressure from his colleagues because of his extreme position which reflected poorly on conservatives, subsequently ammended his budget. But Ryan DID "introduce" the orignal budget, so again, Biden was correct in pointing this out. I could give you dozens of additional examples, but bottom line is that what your dishonest friends (lying Ryan and flip-flopping Romney) are peddling has been tried and proven....to fail. If you are in the 1% and are extremely selfish, you are completely justified in voting for them. If you are not, you are most likely brainwashed by religion or other non-fact based propaganda or prejudisms (e.g. "people kill not guns", Barrak "Hussein" Obama, birthers, etc...). We are better off than 4 years ago, much!

Missy,

Congrat!

Many on FR have said that they have their ballots are ready to go!!

Obama/Biden

You rock Missy. My brother works in Chicago, but wants an absentee ballot. I told him I'm going to let the air out of his tires on election day.

He votes republican. Always.

Hee Hee :o)

CNN and CNBC both conducted post debate instapolls and declared Paul Ryan the winner of the vice presidential debate.”

Everyone else didn't.

Who exactly is everyone else in your tiny little world?

Who exactly is everyone else in your tiny little world?

People that can think on their own without repeating the same lies over an over so much that they actually believe them to be true.

Well, that certainly exlcudes you, doesn't it?

I'd rather win among undecided voters than oversampled republicans but thats just me.

Who exactly is everyone else in your tiny little world?

Fifty percent of uncommitted voters who tuned into Thursday night's vice presidential debate in Danville, Ky., said they see Vice President Joe Biden as the winner over Mitt Romney's GOP running mate Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., according to an instant poll taken by CBS News.

Of the 431 polled immediately following the debate, 31 percent deemed Ryan the winner, and 19 percent said they felt it was a tie. Party-wise it's a switch from last week's presidential debate, which uncommitted voters handed easily to Romney over President Obama.

I'd rather win among those who actually vote, and of course, it's easy to cherry pick a poll.

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go to the cnn poll, Ryan 48 Biden 44.

Just like the post I made earlyer CNN sucks they wannbe a second hand FOX

I'd rather win among those who actually vote, and of course, it's easy to cherry pick a poll.

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go to the cnn poll, Ryan 48 Biden 44.

Now who's cherry picking? It's sad when someone makes a comment like that and doesn't even see the hypocrisy of it.

40 empty chairs 40 empty yrs of Rep rule

Just like the post I made earlyer CNN sucks they wannbe a second hand FOX

YUP, that's right. Fox has asked CNN to stop copying them.

Exclusive: Memo to Fox Business staff - don't copy Fox News

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/17/us-newscorp-foxbusiness-idUSTRE79G7BJ20111017

BTW: Fox News knows Ryan lost debate, so they resort to distractions and Lies. But, they're not going to let fact checks dictate their campaign. Trust they? Pleeeeeease, only a low information voter would; and that is who R/R appeal to with LIES, smears, and fear mongering.

Still, I'm trying to figure out how anyone can vote for a man who refuses to show his taxes to prove he is not a felon. That along is a compelling reason, in addition to, all the other scurrilous things "MYTH" has done.

4 more 4 44

Obama/Biden 2012

Gonna be hard for Hussein to defend his foreign policy agenda.

At least he has one. Romney's changes from minute to minute.

Tell that to Chris Stevens. Bet he would not agree with you Feisty!

Obama's amateur, fumbling attempts at foreign policy have been an embarrassment to himself and to the US.

First, he publicly and loudly affirmed his support for a Palestinian state. This had the predictable effect of encouraging the Palestinians to seek their own separate state. Then, he had to order his Ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice, to veto any UN resolution that might actually create a Palestinian state, in order to salvage the Jewish vote.

Most presidents (not all) have had sense enough to be consistent in the messages they send to the international community. Flip-flops, like Obama's, only create an atmosphere of uncertainty and distrust. Obama's blundering could well be an important factor in the Middle East violence we see today.

We desperately need Mitt Romney, who has the intelligence and maturity to forge a foreign policy consistent with well-thought-out national policy and objectives. Obama's foreign policy is thrown together on the spur of the moment, and based on nothing more than random political pressures.

Obama's blundering could well be an important factor in the Middle East violence we see today.

Kannin - Your so full of @!$%# that its coming out of your ears.

Violence in the Mideast has been going on forever. It didn't start the day that O took office.

Flip-flops, like Obama's, only create an atmosphere of uncertainty and distrust.

Nobody who's backing NitMitt can throw accusations of Flip-Flopping at anyone.

That comment in itself makes you sound like a @!$%#ing low info idiot...

Oh well, we only have one more month of listening to your bull@!$%#, and then we can send Nit-Mitt packin..

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O&Joe 2012 (By a landslide)

GT - I appreciate it when you attack me, rather than my arguments. It is your clear admission to all other readers that my post is entirely accurate, and that you have no valid counter to any part of it.

Kannin: Clearly Romney's a foreign policy whiz. When your first campaign stop in a foreign country is to our closest ally and you leave behind headlines Mitt the Twit what more needs be said? Is this your idea of a leader who thinks before he acts or speaks?

@Kannin-Joe Thomas: You guys need to quit feigning concern for the dead Ambassador,Stevens, especially when you are outright lying to do it. The request for additional Embassy Security was for the Embassy in Tripoli. Ambassador Stevens was killed in a remote Consulate in Benghazi, Libya. Very common for republicans to construct turd towers and call 'em light houses. Fact, most everyone has grown to expect it, but, its still unseemly to do it at the expense of 4 dead people and their families.

Mac did you listen to any of the hearings, what you just said was a lie as Ambassador Stevens had made a request, but it really doesn't matter as he was turned down anyway, and you defend this administration and the liar-in-chief, first Ambassador killed since 1979 under another ill-informed President.

This president has perpetrated fraud on the American people, and his policy have failed and he needs to be retired.

Vote Romney/Ryan 2012 who believe in a strong America

Yes, Stevens was the first Ambassador killed since Jimmy Carter left the White House.

The comparison ends there. Carter did not flail around seeking someone-anyone- else to blame.

He had integrity. Obama has none.

At the debate, Biden blamed the intelligence community for the lie that this violence was incited by a video- despite the fact that the intelligence community knew the day of the attack that it was an orchestrated, military attack. (By the way- USAToday had a front page story on September 12 that the attack on the Cairo Embassy was announced on August 30, and was, in fact, a protest demanding the release of the Blind Sheikh. That apology memo seems to have gone out as a diversion from the facts.)

Biden also stated that 'we" did not know of any request for increased security; Jay Carney is contending that "we" in this case was Obama, Biden, and the White House staff. I guess Hillary is being set up as the scapegoat.

That ought to go over really well with her husband.

In this instance,as in all others, Obama finds himself blameless. He is not responsible for the six trillion he added to the debt. He is not responsible for limping GDP. He is not responsible for any of the chaos in the Middle East- most of which has arisen during his tenure.

On this point, maybe the Obama cult is right. I, too, believe Obama is irresponsible- he proved it when he jetted off to Vegas for a fundraiser the day he got word of Stevens' and three other Americans deaths.

The only people even more irresponsible than Obama are those who stubbornly cling to the idea that he is anything more than he is- an abject failure at every single aspect of his job.

John I-1511587#7.8: I indeed did hear much of that mess. Stevens had asked for the 16 special ops people to stay past August, but the state dept. denied that. This security was assigned to the Embassy in Tripoli. Those who spoke at the hearings said this force would not have been with the Ambassador in the remote Consulate anyway. Much arguing about that. Also much arguing about the role of Contracted Security personnel too. Much arguing about our apology to the Egyptians for the screwy video. Much arguing that the apology probably caused the attack in Benghazi. None of this proves a gwaddamned thing "Romney the Fool" has claimed. It also says, you are a liar for calling me a liar. The gwaddamn republicans, like always, are hunting something to exploit here. Other than that, they have no genuine care about any of it.

when a person behaves with the rudeness and vulgarity that Biden did the other night, it is a sign of a lack of respect and guilt.

No. It means his opponent is a flat out liar and a joke. Watch the debate again and catch Ryan trying to do the same thing. He can't because he was scared sh!tless and afraid of saying the wrong thing that would anger his master(s). The guy is a wimp with no nads

You call it rudeness yet never seemed to notice when Romney smirked, shook his head or smiled like what the president was saying was absurd. We accepted Obama lost his debate be as gracious and stop the tears as nothing you post here will change it.

Romney and Ryan said they want MORE AFGHANISTAN WAR. Years of it. They can revel in Americas footing kicking their ass out of the race.

Obama 2012

Romney 1040: Go work for Halliburton jerk

Dal, great post not get a life, you don't have a clue about what Ryan said, what was his answer about ending the war in Afghanistan.

Please go back and listen again to the debate. Uncle Joe said it will end in 2014, with no reservations, another emboldening sign to the extremist, Taliban,

Al-Qaeda, etc. we need new leadership, as this administration policies have been a failure

Vote Romney/Ryan 2012 who believe in a strong America

Exactly right! Why tell the terrorist what the next move would be?

that was just plain stupid...

You realise the original 2014 withdrawal date was set by Bush right? No, you probably don't, Obama's to blame for everything.

Did someone out there say the problems of this country are no laughing matter? I think so, and your absolutely right. Romney and Ryan are the agents for the GOP right wing conspiracy that's determined to get Obama out at all costs. Nothing for the good of the country but for the good of Wall Street, the Koch brothers, Waltons, Trump, big oil and the 1%. I salute Biden for opening up a can of whoop @ss on Ryan, he definely put him in his place and laughing at his silly @ss was more than appropriate. I hope the GOP, all of them, get their @sses kicked on Nov 6th. Anybody that discards 47% as lazy and worthless should be tarred and feathered. Your talking about those who work for a living unlike the lazy @sses of this new generation who sit on their @ss and don't do $hit. Romney is a candy @ss and Ryan is busy eating it.

had enuf,

You can have your own understanding of history of congress for the last two years.

But you are looking through the wrong end of the lens.

it is the GOP who have been a no show in any aspect of governing for the last four years.

All the GOP have done, including Ryan, is obstruct, refuse to compromise, and pass nothing that needs to get this country moving forward.

@had enuf of our elected ones#9: Yeah, Ryan sure looked "Classy" when He stood up and turned around with one of "Joe's" shoes hanging out His ass. Not often does the end of a political debate require a "Cobbler" to come and surgically remove a shoe from one of the participants ass. Classy indeed.

Joe could never stand up to the job of raping anyone.

Cowboy - disgusting

Got Brokeback cowboy? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

More people were laughing at Biden and only a few with him. Nobody I know thinks that lauughing like a hyena while another opponent is speaking is proper, and only shows how desperate Biden and the current administration is to cover up the truths of their failure. I suspect most Americans realize this and will not be voting for the current disgrace who resides in the White House.

So, Romney insults the highest office in the country and the American public by lying in a civic debate 27 times in 38 minutes, he insults the president of the United States inferring he is a childish liar, he goes further threatening the moderator with being fired and Romney is called the "winner". Biden calls Ryan on the carpet for his and Romney's lies and laughs with incredulity facing an opponent who is contradicting himself and using false statements and Biden is condemned for doing so. Is there no limit for hypocrisy from the right. Shame on you.

hoop81,,,,I do agree but I have been impressed by some of the young guns comming into the spotlight that do care unlike the Good Ol Boy system we have now.

amen to both posts!

Socialism? Do you have any clue about what you are talking about. Socialist Norway/Denmark/Switzerland's combined population of over 25 million citizens enjoy the highest standard of living, free education at all levels and the longest lifespans in the whole world. President Obama has worked tirelessly to help business and the average American but comes nowhere near socialism. Too bad, we should be so lucky as to have the highest standard of living. What is really scary is the rush to Fascism with the Republican party ( where the means of production controls the government), because we all know the Republican party is a wholly owned subsidiary of the corporations.

Boohoo..cry me a river....you lost, get over it dummy!

truman,,,so you are OK with a pitiful failed leader that has met with the Muslim brotherhood face to face in the white house more then his OWN security and employment counsels this year IDIOT!

Truman is talking to himself. He's been watching Jeff Dunham's puppet Walter and got confused.

It's true, Murph, Ryan looked lost. Maybe next time. Oh, sorry.

A good delusion always seems to help alleviate the stress of grief, especially among simple minded people. I shall now offer such to these pitiful republicans posting here tonight. It is quite probable, according to several world renowned soothsayers, seers, and Jerry Falwell's 3 illegitimate children, that "Willard Mittens Romney" is indeed a direct descendent of Abraham's bastard son "Abdullah", half brother of both "Ishmael and Isaac", a little known roustabout who habitually humped Camels and rustled goats. Escaping assassins, the brave Abdullah fled, and finally found Himself in a faraway place that would later be called "America". Abdullah, set the "Vision" in motion, that would later be revealed to one of His progeny, being one, "Joseph Smith". Now, ain't that nice Children? Feel better ? Course, Willard ain't never gonna be the President. Take your pills now, and go to bed.

Let's invite 'em out to lunch- today's Republican Cafe special is a WAAAAAHmburger with a side of CRIES!

Right wingers say Obama can't take credit for getting us out of Iraq because he simply followed Bush's exit plan. They then say Obama giving an exit date for Afghanistan lets our enemies know our time line which allows them to out wait us. If it's bad to set a date why wasn't it bad when Bush did in Iraq?

kannin,

Ryan did not know the marines guard Embassies, and diplomatic security forces guard diplomats. These are private contractors.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/13/world/africa/cables-show-requests-to-state-dept-for-security-in-libya-were-focused-on-tripoli.html?ref=world

Lots of interesting information in this article.

I learned a lot of facts. And it raised lots of questions.

When did we begin to use private contractors instead of current military personnel?

Why did Congress cut the requested funding after the Senate put some of the money back in the request?

How much money are we talking about in the DofState for the cost of security?

Shouldn't Ryan know the figure seeing he is the Chairman of the Budget Committee?

I believe the House did send a budget to the Senate, but the Senate hasn't passed a budget in 4 years, what great leadership, I cannot understand how anyone can defend this failed administration, we need new leadership one with principles not false promises.

Vote Romey/Ryan 2012 who believe in America

What bald face lie? The request for more security was for Tripoli, not Benghazi. benghazi had more security than ordinarily. The request had not worked it's way up the massive chain of command in time. Rice reported she only knew what the intelligence community was telling her at the time and she said as that information becomes updated she would relay that information. President Obama DID say it was terrorism the very next day after the attack. Romney and the right wing nuts, serve the people who are acting against us by undermining our strength when they mislead and proclaim to the world our president is weak.

Thanks, FoxTrotsky, right back at you!

"because it is the very nature of our belief system to see that nobody does without..."

This exactly. What bothers me about the Republican Party, and I used to be one, is that they believed that too! Where did that go?

If we don't care for each other, we will have no nation left.

I too am a refugee from the Republican party; too hateful, shrill, dogmatic. It is now truly the American Taliban, something I'd never smelled, earlier. There used to be thoughtful, cooperative and intelligent people within the GOP. It was the party of inclusion and tolerance. Not so, any longer.

(If the sneering thugs who prowl these pages want to know: white male, USAF veteran, Republican voter for more than 25 years, former White House Fellow nominee under Reagan.)

hoop801,

I see you are a newborn in FR.

I will give you the benefit of doubt about two identical posts.

But your"socialism" label is such an old right wing critique around here that even the other trolls won't come running.

It Friday, Welcome to FR .

You're right, hoop, and let's just hope we get enough conservatives elected, in addition to throwing Bozobama out, to stem the tide of socialism for quite a while, then get people to realize they're always better off when they, themselves, determine how well they do, and NOT the dipsh** governemnt.

pro,,,I would not want to talk about your prophet hussain obama's record or policies either!!!

Heard about that factory Progressive=Forward 11.

Bain strikes again at the Sensata company....lays off the employees...ships the jobs to China, where the workers will make less than $1.00 per hour. The factory will officially close on 5 November 2012.

This is really disgusting, but displays the culture of Vulture Capitalism!

Willard owns about 8 million dollars in stock .......Willard makes more money at the expense of American workers.

murph Just by your posts your trolling. Remember folks don't feed the trolls.

cut and paste,cut and paste,,,no brain needed!

Murph no likeeee facts.......

not the LIES!

Cowboy17,

Good to see you this evening.

How are things in FL?

I hear you have a ballot that is about 6-7 pages long?

wrong Cowboy....I am a long ways from Fl and whats a ballot ? But good evening to you also.....

cowboy,

Is my face red, wrong person and bad spelling :-)

Ok, maybe I will try for big sky country instead...

You are welcome.

I miss that Bush 4 and a half unemployment rate and $1.80 a gal. gas. Which all that went up in Bush's last 2 years as the socialist libtard godless babykiller democrat MOOCHERS took over the house and senate. Check out any gov charts and see for yourself. Maybe you need barney deepthroat franks to bust even more government departments. If he had anymore slimey run/ins with page male hookers running out of his apartments or questionable land deals that rival dingy harry ried, you would have him in obama's or uncle sherriff joeys place on the democrat ticket.

Do you miss the 7.9% unemployment when Bush left office or the over 9% it hit before Bush's budget ended in Oc.t 2009 and obama took over? The highest price for gasoline in history in the U.S. was in june, 2008 under Bush. It did drop dramatically when the economy collapsed again under Bush when gasoline consumption dropped 12%. Is that what you right wingers dream of creating another depression so gas prices drop?

@ Murphy Andrew#21.1: I'll be glad to sell you a peck of cobs. Be a good mix of both red and white ones. Help you relive your sentiments of yesterday. Hell, I'll sell you a bushel and you can give some to your friends for Christmas gifts.

Murphy, thanks for your post the truth hurts and all they can come back with is what the left always does because they cannot respond logically to facts is to attack the messenger just like Biden did, what a bunch of uncivil, arrogant bullies, who blame everyone else, I'm still waiting for this administration to take some responsibility, in Libya it was the Intelligence people, still blame Bush for the economy which you pointed out who controlled Congress for the last two years of his presidency. Lets see how the next two debates go, but I sure hope they have a moderator that isn't quite so bias as this one, in my opinion she did a terrible job. How many times can you answer the same question and she still asks it again, and then Joe laughs and just plain lies and she won't let Congressman Ryan respond to his lies.

Vote Romney /Ryan 2012 who believe in America

John I: And yet you fail to post a single fact. Why is it every right winger thinks their every spoken word is a fact and everyone else's just an opinion. God complex? The moderator wouldn't ask the same question again if he answered the first time instead of doing the Ryan shuffle.

Republicans claim they want small government but fail to note that public sector jobs have dropped by 560,000 since Obama's been president and gained 900,000 under Bush his first term. How do you explain that? If Obama had gained those 900,000 instead of losing 560,000 the unemployment rate would be below 6%.

Larry, where do you get your figures, as I'm looking at Total Government Employment records from the Historical Federal Workforce Tables

Bush 2001 - 4,132,000

Bush 2002 - 4,152,000 increase 20,000

Bush 2003 - 4,210,000 increase 78,000

Bush 2004 - 4,187,000 increase 55,000

Bush 2005 - 4,138,000 increase 6, 000 from 2001

Larry like I said where did you get your numbers?

Bush 2008 - 4,206,000 increase from 2001 of 74,000

Obama 2009 - 4,430,000 increase from 2008 of 224,000

Obama 2010 - 4,443,000 increase another 13,000

So again Larry I'm not sure what your numbers represent but this is for Federal Employees, in Obamas first two years he increased the Federal Employment by 237,000 versus Bush of 74,000 for 8 years , and one last fact when the Democrats took over in 2007 the Federal employment for 2006 was 4,133,000 which was only 1000 more than when Bush took over in 2001, but with the Democrats control it went up73,000 in two years, so if you add the 73,000 when control by Democrats the total increase for the last two years of Bush and the first two years of Obama the Federal Employment went up about 310,000.

Hope this wasn't to confusing, but Larry please tell me what your numbers represent and what source you are referencing.

Vote Romney/Ryan 2012 who believe in America

What Larry is referring to is total government employment. And Larry is absolutely correct. Because of the massive layoffs by state and local governments, public employment has decreased by over half a million jobs since Obama took power. Normally, public employment holds steady or increases slightly. If public employment had just held steady, the unemployment rate would be MUCH lower. Also, if housing was creating its normal forty thousand jobs every month, unemployment would be much lower. But the GOP has resisted all efforts to make it possible for those with no equity to refinance - a measure that might raise real estate prices and spur housing construction. Right now, in some markets, housing prices are so low that a contractor cannot build for the price the market will set for new construction. And, that is NOT Obama's fault. Also, I do not see in your calculations of federal employment any differentiation between civilian and military/intelligence. So, essentially your statistics are meaningless. And, if you did not include military, you obviously lowered Bush's govt employment buildup.

Here you go John I:

The official statistics on civilian federal employment notes that when Clinton left office the total federal civilian workforce was 1,127,000. The official figure for 2008 was 1,289,000, indicating a whopping increase under W. It is true that the figure increased to 1,360,000 in 2010, but that was the peak of the stimulus AND a census year. And there were as many as 200 to 300k census workers for much of 2010. Note that since 2010 the stimulus has ended and all census workers have been laid off. Figures are not available for 2011 and 2012, but the end of the census and the end of stimulus spending would seem to indicate that civilian employment is SMALLER under Obama than under Bush. And the decline in total government figures that Larry noted have been reported often by the BLS. Had we not had the decline in public employment, total monthly job gains would have averaged around 200,000 every month for the past 30 months (a figure better than W. had for any two year period). Add in a decent housing market, and the Obama figures would have been just like Reagan's in the recovery of the mid-80's.

Fifty percent of uncommitted voters who tuned into Thursday night's vice presidential debate in Danville, Ky., said they see Vice President Joe Biden as the winner over Mitt Romney's GOP running mate Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., according to an instant poll taken by CBS News

why do you believe a president has any control over the abortion issue ?? ------- i suspect if you bothered to check with a sufficient number of unaffiliated voters, who will determine the winner in this election, as they do with all elections, you will discover that abortion is a non-issue.

As I have been saying for 3 months plus on this phoeny news outlet(msDNC). Romney will win by at least 10%.

In Arizona Ron Barber, Democrat, replaced Gabby Gifford and he is having to run for re-election just after a few months in the position.

Jeff Flake is the Republican running against him with an ad stating that Barber stole $700 billion from Medicare!

That amount sound familiar to you? Apparently lying is a way of life for Republicans!

Romney/Ryan - Good Riddance!

Obama/Biden - 2012 ><><> Democrats All The Way! <><><

why do you believe a president has any control over the abortion issue ?? ------- i suspect if you bothered to check with a sufficient number of unaffiliated voters, who will determine the winner in this election, as they do with all elections, you will discover that abortion is a non-issue.

On that you are severly mistaken. There are many on both sides of the abortion issue that will vote solely on that issue.

As I have been saying for 3 months plus on this phoeny news outlet(msDNC). Romney will win by at least 10%.

Unlike Romney I don't make $10,000 wagers but want to bet $5?

Romney's foreign policy is hiding his sons in France in a time of War !!!!