E-mail updates
Follow on Twitter
Subscribe to RSSBiden, the aggressor … His performance was therapeutic for base Democrats, but Ryan held his own. … It was Scranton Joe vs. Think Tank Ryan, heart vs. head … Both Biden and Ryan accomplished their goals … But Biden struggled on Libya … Ryan struggled on stimulus, abortion … The ball moves to Obama. His challenge – searching for Goldilocks, not too hot, not too cold. … Biden-Ryan didn’t come to blows but Berman-Sherman almost did …and things get nasty in Arizona.
With more than 40 million Tweets sent during vice presidential debate, TODAY takes a look at how viewers – and celebrities – are responding to Joe Biden's body language across the Twitterverse.
DANVILLE, Ky. -- If there was something both sides agreed on last night, it was this: Joe Biden was aggressive at last night’s vice-presidential debate. Now, Republicans thought he was too aggressive (with his interruptions, laughs, and facial expressions), and Democrats thought he was just right. After last week’s presidential debate, Biden threw the kitchen sink at both Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney -- on issues that President Obama didn't touch in Denver. He brought up Mitt Romney’s “47%” comment. “It [Romney’s opposition to the auto bailout] shouldn’t be surprising for a guy who says 47% of the American people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives.”
He brought up Osama bin Laden, resurrecting Romney’s 2007 line that he “wouldn’t move heaven and earth to get bin Laden." And Biden tried to score points on the issue of abortion. “I guess he accepts Gov. Romney's position now, because in the past he has argued that there was … rape and forcible rape.” More than anything, Biden's performance was therapeutic for base Democrats after Obama's dud in Denver.
Alex Wong / Getty Images
DANVILLE, KY - OCTOBER 11: U.S. Vice President Joe Biden speaks during the vice presidential debate at Centre College October 11, 2012 in Danville, Kentucky. This is the second of four debates during the presidential election season and the only debate between the vice presidential candidates before the closely-contested election November 6. (Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images)
*** Scranton Joe vs. Think Tank Ryan: So who won? If you judge a debate on who took the fight to his opponent, who best defended his top of the ticket, and who best attacked the other side, you’d have to say it was Biden. (Indeed, by our count, Biden said “Romney” 26 times, while Ryan said “Obama” or “the president” 14 times.) If you judge a debate purely on style points, Biden might get penalized. And if you judge a debate by who best plays it safe -- especially on issue terrain that’s not your comfort zone -- then Paul Ryan scored well.
Related: Biden plays aggressor in debate as Ryan argues GOP case
That’s probably why the two insta-polls after the debate seemed to indicate a split decision. CBS’s poll of “undecideds” gave it to Biden. CNN’s poll of ALL voters went to Ryan. Both men had two different strategies: Biden was there to energize his side after last week and draw a clear contrast with his opposition, especially on issues like abortion and foreign policy. Ryan, meanwhile, was there to look competent, pass the presidential threshold test and do no harm as we head into next week’s second presidential debate.
Related: Ryan wades deep into lengthy Afghanistan argument
They both accomplished their goals but did it with two very different styles: It was Scranton Joe vs. Think Tank Ryan. Heart vs. head. And as political commentator Matthew Dowd, who worked for the Bush campaign but for Democrats before that put it on Twitter: “Heart wins.”
A glimpse over the years at U.S. Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del.
*** Fine lines: Biden needed to walk a fine line between gravitas and condescension. At times, he accomplished that; at times, he didn't. He did, however, appear more knowledgeable with one GIANT exception – Libya. When he said, stunningly, that the administration was unaware of security requests, it may have been the most significant news of the night (more on that below). Ryan needed to look presidential, and you could say he accomplished that, but he also sometimes seemed overmatched by the more aggressive Biden on foreign policy and even on SOME fiscal issues, like the stimulus. Ryan struggled to explain his letter requesting stimulus money despite criticizing the program. In all, Biden did what he needed to do – re-energize the base after the president's lackluster performance a week ago and stop the handwringing and fretting. He did that. Now, the ball moves back to the president, with a different style than Biden that has more appeal to independents and undecideds. Ryan’s job was not to blow the lead for Romney, become an unexpected problem. And he did that. Now it’s up to Romney to see if he can win two debates in a row, something he needs to do if he’s going to not just draw EVEN with the presidential in the battlegrounds, but surpass him.
*** Ryan struggled on abortion: Where Ryan struggled the most, interestingly, was on abortion. And don’t be surprised if we see Obama pick up the same attack. When moderator Martha Raddatz asked if a Romney-Ryan ticket should worry those who want abortion to remain legal, Ryan replied, “We don't think that unelected judges should make this decision; that people through their elected representatives in reaching a consensus in society through the democratic process should make this determination.” Biden pounced, “The next president will get one or two Supreme Court nominees. That's how close Roe v. Wade is. Just ask yourself, with Robert Bork being the chief adviser on the court for -- for Mr. Romney, who do you think he's likely to appoint?”
Larry Downing / Reuters
See images from throughout his career in Washington, D.C.
*** Where Biden struggled was on Libya and the Benghazi attack: “We weren't told they wanted more security,” Biden said. “And by the way at the time, we said exactly what the intelligence community told us that they knew, that was the assessment." But as NBC’s Andrea Mitchell has pointed out, the State Department DID know that requests for more security resources had been made -- and were turned down. In fact, a State Department official acknowledged that while testifying on Capitol Hill on Wednesday. Considering the timing of this debate, yesterday’s Capitol Hill hearing and the Tuesday full tick-tock of what REALLY happened in Benghazi, it’s shocking Biden didn’t have a better answer than what he said. His strategy for the debate was, give the minimum answer and move to Iraq and Afghanistan. Not sure that can work for the president.
*** Looking ahead to next week – in search of Goldilocks: The pressure is still on Obama in next week's town hall-style debate in New York. But make no mistake: Biden -- by turning his volume to 11 last night -- takes some of that pressure off the president. If you've followed Obama over the past six years, you know it's not his style to be overly aggressive. Well, Biden last night both gave Obama a roadmap for how to attack Romney-Ryan (on abortion, tax fairness, foreign policy), and he gave him room to do it in the way he feels most comfortable. The question is: Can he deliver? And can Romney deliver another solid performance? Obama is looking for a Goldilocks' performance. Obama in Denver was too cold, Biden in Danville might have been too hot, and Obama, the sequel, has to figure out how to be just the right combination of assertive without being condescending. On to Hofstra!
*** Berman vs. Sherman (literally, folks!): A lot of boxing metaphors are thrown around before and after debates. No one expects there to be a REAL fight. Of last night’s Biden-Ryan showdown, at least you can say they respected one another – enough not to come to blows, anyway. The same CAN”T be said of a debate last night between two DEMOCRATIC congressman. The L.A. Times: “The bitter race for a San Fernando Valley congressional district took a bizarre turn Thursday when Rep. Howard L. Berman (D-Valley Village) and Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Sherman Oaks) got into a near-altercation during a forum at Pierce College. Video of the event in Woodland Hills shows the candidates exchanging words and Sherman at one point putting his arm around Berman, saying: ‘Do you want to get into this?’ A uniformed officer then came onto the stage and appeared to ask that they move away from each other.” Sherman, by the way, who initiated the touching has apologized.
*** Raising Arizona: And speaking of nasty, don't miss what's happening down in the open Arizona Senate race. Rep. Jeff Flake (R) went up with an ad featuring Richard Carmona’s (D) former boss, who says Carmona angrily pounded on her door in the middle of the night, and it was Carmona. “Carmona’s not who he seems,” she says looking directly to camera. “He has issues with anger, with ethics, and with women. … Richard Carmona should never, ever be in the U.S. Senate.” Carmona responded with an ad of his own, showing pictures of his family, a former female co-worker from his SWAT team, him talking to children, and the famous picture of him rappelling from a helicopter to save a man. “When I see a career politician like Jeff Flake attacking Rich Carmona, who has spent his life helping others, it’s despicable,” the co-worker says. “Congressman Flake should be ashamed.”
*** On the trail: Fresh off of his debate performance, Ryan heads to Ohio where he’ll hit a rally with Romney in Lancaster at 5:40 pm ET… Before that, Romney campaigns in Richmond, VA at 12:10 pm ET… Meanwhile, Joe and Jill Biden stump in La Crosse, WI at 2:00 pm ET.
Countdown to 2nd presidential debate: 4 days
Countdown to 3rd presidential debate: 10 days
Countdown to Election Day: 25 days
Click here to sign up for First Read emails.
Text FIRST to 622639, to sign up for First Read alerts to your mobile phone.
Check us out on Facebook and also on Twitter. Follow us @chucktodd, @mmurraypolitics, @DomenicoNBC, @brookebrower
Leave a Comment:
On the topic of National Security and Foreign Policy, Congressman Ryan was a fluff sandwich.
What is in the national interests of our country? There's a non-answer for you...that could mean anything or nothing. Way to commit, Congressman!
Exactly! Ryan had NOTHING! Obama/Biden 2012
So Obama holds back and he's a wimp. Biden goes after Ryan and he's a bully.
Either way, I'm not going trust my old age to a guy who wants to replace Medicare with vouchers.
If you are currently on Medicare or nearing Medicare age, you won't lose anything.
If you are younger, I guess you would rather have nothing (Medicare is technically bankrupt) than put in place reforms that allow you to start planning your future on solid footing?
Amazing the misinformation that is out there. Stop getting using "talking points" as facts.
Do some research on your own and then make you decision.....
So because I was born 4 years too late I get nothing and people older get it all? Sorry, I pay into to this system and I deserve better than to get kicked to the curb. And it was interesting that Ryan used to promote his vouchers and now it is you can stay in the Medicare program if you want. So how does that save any large amount of money for the system? How many people are going to jump ship to insurance that they paid with a voucher and their own money? Not many.
Shepherd: I am the oldest of 4 sons. I got mine! But I also want the same thing for my brothers. And their wives. And all of our children. And all of our grandchildren.
Medicare can be easily fixed, but not by you selfish republicons. My blood is red while your blood is green.
Shepherd there is such a thing as Medicare reform and that is what the discussion is about to avoid it going away. Who in their right mind would want a voucher at 65 or 70 to get insurance. Who would you find to insure you at that age with likely many ailments? Be realistic, Ryan is out of his mind.
Absolutely correct, sir! Obama/Biden 2012
My instincts tell me they both want to gut Medicare for univ. health and they do not know how to do it. Leave it alone is common sense. Fix the economy first.
Huhh?? What does that even mean? Medicare is universal healthcare for seniors... You should do some research...
Is it "socialist" to have universal healthcare? Of course not. healthcare happens. We don't let people die in the streets here. Why not make it as efficient as possible? Treat people BEFORE they end up in an emergency room and the hospital.
People don't realize this travesty, but we (the united states) pays almost TWICE what every other 1st world country pays for the same exact services... Because everyone isn't covered and they don't get preventative medicine, our overall outcomes are WORSE, Yes that's right folks, we pay twice as much, and we don't live as long as all of the other 1st world countries.... We are squandering our resources, and for nothing....
I hear the argument about healthcare being "socialist".... Is Canada socialist? Nope... is Australia socialist? Nope... They both are a thriving democracies, with a growing economies, and a rising dollars. They are also smart, and see healthcare as a strategic advantage (healthy people work more). You guessed it.. they have universal healthcare. Guess what they call it in Australia? Medicare....
PS: They also have a national retirement system, and zero interest loans for college.
Being a midwesterner all my life I can speak to how we view being interrupted. You know the guy, he's at the party had a couple of drinks is being loud. Well here in the midwest were all running to get away from this guy. I'm guessing that many midwesterners had the same view as me last night. Joe Biden was the loud guy, the guy that had one to many, the guy I really didn't care to talk to. What Joe accomplished last night was huge. He got his core supporters back in the game. But I can tell all you people who don't understand the midwest he did so at his own peril. As a true independent from Ohio who has voted for more democrats than republicans since 1980 I will tell you flat out Joe did himself no favors with midwesterners last night.
I'm a midwestern also jimmy. I'll tell you Joe took Ryan to the wood shed last night. So by your analogy after all the interruptions from Romney in the first debate he doesn't have a chance in the midwest, but you'll vote for him anyway. Oh I get it if you're an independent (ashamed republican) it's Ok to interrupt but if you're a democrat making the republican VP candidate look like a fool it's rud.
MO....from a fellow Mizzou grad...there is a big difference between being respectful, and while Romney did interrupt at times during the Presidential debate, he did not laugh, sneer, snort and show disrespect to the degree Biden did....not even close.
Biden even interrupted, demeaned and derided the moderator. You could tell on her face she was not amused by the abuse.
Biden came off as a bully and was so disrepectful to Ryan and the moderator that he really turned off a lot of people.
I for one do not want that type of attitude and demeanor one step from the White House.
ajgorm: Medicare will not be gutted, but instead will be the foundation upon which Universal Health Care will be built upon. Medicare is 90% efficient while the for profit corporate health insurance companies are maybe 80% efficient.
oops sorry for the repost everyone hit wrong button.
Was it juts me, or did anyone notice on three or four occassions that Joe Biden appeared confused and disoriented? Biden would on occassion look down, frown, and rub his hands or his head.
Those are early signs of Alzheimers Disease. He needs to be checked and tested by a doctor.
Compared to the younger, more physically fit, and mentally sharper paul Ryan old Joe looked unfit to be our President. Biden is definitely impulsive and forthright. he said ..I mean what I say ... when Ryan told him that 'sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth, Joe in the right order."
The audience chuckled at that .. but it is very worrisome if he were to end up being our PREZ.
Most of us wouldn't sleep very good at night.
Old Grizzly's sounding desperate this morning. Chances are Grizzly after last night you're not going to sleep very well anyway.
I was appalled that Biden thought the 4 Americans dead in Libya was actually funny. That lost Biden and Hiden the election.
VP Biden was laughing at Ryan's lies and stumbling over the issue Joe.
What in the world are you trying to say Joe? Sounds like you're so angry this morning you can't put a coherent sentence together. Where did the election hide Joe. You mean VP Biden's lost? Oh my the VP's lost and the election is hidden.
Ryan is not qualified to become the president if need be. Therefore, he is not qualified to be vice president. Therefore, voting for Mitt Romney is a risk.
Biden is thoroughly qualified to move into the Oval Office if the need arose.
Joe Thomas-6624551 - Biden blew it. Laughing at our dead.
SteveR....Simply amazing that when you apply your criteria for Paul Ryan, and combined with the current Obama record (or lack of).......
You should not have voted for Obama in 2008 nor today......
Paul Ryan has much more grasp of the issues and concerns that face this nation, especially considering that Obama couldn't answer the question on national TV as to what the current US Federal Debt was???????
The current national debt is about where it was in 2006. And Obama could not keep up with all of the lies coming from that used car salesman that you seem to think is Presidential material.
U.S. Downgrade Seen as Upgrade as U.S. Debt Dissolved - Bloomberg
Biden was making faces before Ryan finished it was very distracting. It made it hard to follow what was being said. A heckler type mentallity where you must throw them out to finish anything you want to say. Very childish..
ajg: Wha, wha, wha....Repubs love to dish it out but become whiney babies when it is dealt back to them.
How ironic, Repubs love bully Chris Christie, loved it when Mitt was debating President Obama with a big smirk, and yet when it is done against them, they whine and wail.
VP Biden was great, he was passionate and down-to-earth, contrasted with the mealy-mouth scripted Ryan, Biden came across as real...which is what Americans want.
Obama/Biden 2012
A good debate last night with points being made by both sides. I would have called it a draw if it weren't for Biden's smirks and silent laughter during Ryan's talking points.
Since Biden's rude teenager act took place during some of the debates most serious subjects - the unemployed, the middle east - this will likely cost him among middle of the roaders and independents.
Not too many adults will find this acceptable behavior. Biden doesn't understand the difference between strong, aggressive debating and acting like a petulant child.
Now will Obama follow his lead with the next debate? He's said he was "too polite" in the last one. He's up against a man with tons of top business exec experience who knows how to handle conflict. Since Obama's likability is one of his only assets (his record is horrible), getting ugly in the next debate seems like a bad idea.
But, hey - if Obama pulls Biden's teenager act Romney's got a guaranteed win in the election and we will be rid of him. Not a bad thing.
Ryan is not the one........let say if Romney win (i dont think he will) next in line is Lyin Ryan what a thought...............................................
Ryan wouldn't be my first choice for a vp although I was impressed with his cool calm during Biden's nasty act last night. I would have preferred Marco Rubio.
In any event, if you are worried about Ryan as a VP and next in line for the presidency you can just imagine how the the rest of us have worried over the last 4 years. I've wished Obama continued health every night knowing that Crazy Joe could be next in line. Imagine Biden as president doing his nutball smirking act while discussing policy with foreign leaders...now that's scary.
T-1827227,
I guess you would rather have the laughing hyena as president! Now there's a scary thought!
Joe did his job BUT, just because you speak louder and repetitively does not make you right; nor does it mean you have a plan by simply saying malarkey. While the rest of America focuses on "I'm the New Joker Biden" vs. "Gimme Water Ryan" I have not seen anything from this administration to want to vote for them. Joe's answer on Libya (and this after what State indicated) was lame at best, and stupid at worse. Libya will be this administrations undoing. No one died in Watergate people...keep that in mind. Reinforced my vote for Romney/Ryan.
Really? You seem to think Mr. Romney won last week's debate because of it.
The big difference is that Romney was loudly speaking lies.
Joe Biden was loudly telling the truth.
Lets get real, Biden won!. No matter what you say Dems and Reps, Romney and Ryan does not care about the miiddle class and people rights. You can joke about Biden smiles and all but Romney did the same thing. When you get down to it Romney won the debate on being a LIER and taking over the debate, but did not say anything. Obama just let him talked. Biden told the truth. The bottom line Biden won...........he was a little out of the box but i like it. He was real..
Lyin Ryan said came out with one bit of truth. He said he wants to make abortion illegal in America. He lost the women's vote right there.
After watching both debates ....Obama dosen't knows whats going on or how to fix it meaning the economy.....all Biden could do was laught amd smirk like someone completely lost......I believe Romney and Ryan is the best choice by a long ways. We simply can't stand 4 more years of these two in the WH.
You're so angry Joe66 you can't put a sentence together.
The debate did little except to provide the loyal Democrat press with images and ability to cherry pick talking points.
But be honest, didn't you think, "Is that grinning, insulting, wildly gesturing boor really the Vice President of the United States? Has he heard nothing of the dignity of the office? Will he really take over if the President is out of commission?"
I agree with a few on here, regardless of whether or not you support Romney/Ryan, I'm an independent and may just write in a vote, but to laugh at serious issues like Biden did is arrogant and won't change peoples minds like the debate Obama/Romney had.
fb; Biden was laughing at all the lies Ryan was saying....that makes for much laughter as Ryan was lying most of the night.
Dra.. Ryan was actually telling the truth...you could see it in Biden because he would turn his head and laught ...jusk like Obama did hanging his head but Obama was in the real world for an hour for the last 4 years,
joe: Ryan was lying, as usual, he has been caught in lies and half-truths throughout this campaign.
Dra sorry but thankfully im not a Democrat that believes ever thing people tell him to believe. If you believe we in better shape now than 4 years ago then you haven't been out your house in 4 years..You vote for Obama ....I have and it dosen't look all that good. I'll vote for a big change.
How ironic, Repubs love bully Chris Christie, loved it when Mitt was debating President Obama with a big smirk, and yet when it is done against them, they whine and wail.
VP Biden was great, he was passionate and down-to-earth, contrasted with the mealy-mouth scripted Ryan, Biden came across as real...which is what Americans want.
Obama/Biden 2012
"More than anything, Biden's performance was therapeutic for base Democrats after Obama's dud in Denver..."
God only knows, the leftists who comment here on First Read certainly need therapy.
Bob: "Laughter is good medicine"....remember that saying? And Biden sure had some good medicine last night, laughing at all Ryan's lies.
You all love bullies like Chris Christie, but can't take it when it is dealt back at you....bunch of whiney babies.
Ryan held is own in what universe? Biden schooled him like a seasoned professor would a freshman student... It was the difference between a lifetime of 1st hand involvement on the job, and 2 weeks of cramming and reading history books... It wasn't even a contest....
Ryan had nothing but a hand full of over practiced mini speeches. You have to admit, he didn't deliver them with sincerity...
Biden had him on the ropes early, and never let up... Foreign policy, taxes, Jobs, healthcare, Social Security, and Abortion, all EASILY went to Biden...
When Ryan tried to score points with Scranton unemployment Biden dismantled him. When he tried it again with the stimulus (saying it didn't add jobs or help with growth) Biden absolutely humiliated Ryan, exposing the TWO letters he wrote asking for stimulus money (Money he got) that said the stimulus would create jobs and help growth in Wisconsin..... That.... left a Mark that is going to show for a while......
Ryan swung a lot, but the fact is very few landed.... I scored it like a boxing match.
Biden 114. Ryan 11.
And Biden didn't even break a sweat.... C'mon. Get real... You know it's true...
You drank too much KoolAid.
Biden came across like a bully on the defensive...Ryan held his own and showed class.
JW: And yet Repubs say President Obama was wimpy when he was debating.....can't have it both ways bucko.
BTW, Repubs loved Mitt smirking when debating President Obama....just don't like it when it is dealt back at them.
If I were asked, I'd say Joe Biden Won.
I was glad to see Joe fact checking Eddie Munster during the debate. President Obama should have done the same thing to Willard Romney
By the way Flipity Flop, Hold a kid down and cut his hair, Put your Pooch on a Car Roof, Let 'em go bankrupt, Let the housing market hit bottom, Willard Romney...
Number One: I see lines out the door at restaurants on Friday and Saturday nights. Spending is up.
Number Two: The malls are busy.
Number Three: Las Vegas is booming.
Number Four: People will spend 8 BILLION on Halloween this year... Google that. Yes, People are really hurting.
And Finally Willard, Number Five: We don't like YOU and we Don't Respect what you're about!
Common sense tells me if you can't explain it to me then you are the problem.
Hey ! nothing can"t be said about what AGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR has and ALL its COLORS.
Well BIDEN PUNCHED BACK at these LYING sacks of SH*T. GOOD JOB JOE the 1-2 punch.
The last DEBATE was GONG SHOW ACTOR ROMPPY ALL made up and SCRIPTED to EVADE QUESTIONS, Just show your acting skills ROMPPY and DO your HI-ME ROBOT ACT so the people will be DECEIVED and taken away from taking and answering questions !!! Romppy and ALL his EVIL DOERS. Let them BURN IN HELL.
This NATION does not need ANOTHER HELL CRASH FROM THESE TYPES. That CREATED the LAST NEAR DEATH CRASH of our NATION and has made the CITIZENS PAY FOR THEIR BAD POLICIES !!!!!
YOU have to be MENTALLY DEFICIENT and NO MEMORY to VOTE for GARBAGE like GOP and TEA. The next DESTROYERS OF US and THE WORLD.
Time to take your meds, Alain.
Obama has about already destroyed the US Alain ...all Romney can do is try to help it and after watching both in debates I honestly believe they both will turn it around and soon.
I think meds and a team of doctors would do Alain some good
Don't think. You are no good at it.
Joe Biden was correct about Social Security and national security.
Joe Biden was correct about health care and abortions. Let the women decide for themselves. This is not the 14th century and you fundies are not the Inquisition.
Biden is what we have as a VP? When you continuously laugh when someone else is talking, it's rude and condescending. Would you like this if it happened to you?
I wonder if your as concerned about a potential Presidential candidate who refuses to release his tax returns for public scrutiny like every other Presidential candidate has done for the last 50 years and who has hundreds of millions of dollars stashed in offshore Swiss and Cayman island bank accounts and will not account for it or where it is invested.
I'm glad you have your priorities straight !!!
I was laughing too. Ryan's remarks were ridiculous. He was laughable.
What comments specifically were ridiculous? Biden was a rude @!$%#. Ryan answerred questions and didn't interrupt the VP when he was talking.
Biden did nothing but make himself look silly ...AGAIN! He constantly tried to interrupt and distract Ryan. Biden made no sense and his facts and figures were erroneous as usual.
To the contrary...I believe Biden made Ryan look juvenile and put down every one of his bullsh-it lies about the economy.
"We'll tell you what tax loop holes we will close after were elected and will work closely with both houses of congress"
How F-ucking asinine and comical can you get ????
Like Ryan explained, its a framework, you work out the details in a non partisanship fashion.
Reduce the tax rate for all, but close the loopholes so the actual tax collected remains the same. How hard is this for liberals to comprehend.
I would have thought that this would have been a liberal proposal, afterall, its only the wealthy who utilize the loopholes right?
I with Obama and Biden ... not only are they going to cut Medicare by $715 billion but they're going to STOP THE UNFUNDED Rx PLAN FOR SENIORS
I am with Obama and Biden because I am sick to death of all these Old People getting everthing. Finally someone who will stand up and tell all these Old People "you can't have it for free" You can't live forever and we're not going to go Bankrupt trying to help you hang on for another 10 years.