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If one thing is certain about Thursday’s vice presidential debate between Joe Biden and Republican challenger Paul Ryan, it’s that their lone showdown this fall is shrouded in uncertainty.
On one hand, there’s Biden: the incumbent vice president whose assets as a folksy and aggressive advocate for President Barack Obama are undercut by instances in which he veers badly off-message.
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On the other, there’s Ryan: the Wisconsin congressman who has cultivated a reputation as a budget wunderkind, but must now answer not just for his own ambitious reforms, but also for Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney’s somewhat different proposals.
After a debate last week in which Romney was widely regarded as having bested Obama, the pressure is on Biden to land a blow on Ryan, and, by extension, Romney. The GOP, meanwhile, has hopes of adding momentum to the ticket with a strong outing by Ryan.
Related: Despite age gap, some similarities between Biden and Ryan
Here is a look at five factors for each candidate that could determine tonight’s outcome.
BIDEN
The vice president’s reputation for verbosity has dogged him since at least his 1987 run for the Democratic presidential nomination.
When asked by moderator Brian Williams, quoting an LA Times editorial, about whether voters could trust him to maintain discipline as president, Biden responded, with a grin: “Yes.”
The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd previews Thursday's high-stakes vice presidential debate.
This was “Good Biden” – the self-deprecating politician beloved by fans for his jokes about his sparse coiffure and his puppy-dog courtship of his wife Jill.
More than five years later, as he readies to debate Ryan, Biden will undoubtedly face similar perceptions about his verbal discipline. From lamenting that the middle class has been "buried the last four years" to telling a heavily black audience that Republican banking policies would "put y'all back in chains," the “Bad Biden” has made his campaign speeches tub-of-popcorn-worthy viewing for gleeful Republican operatives.
Slideshow: Biden on the campaign trail
With that, here's a list of five things to watch during the upcoming VP debate:
Latching Romney to the Ryan budget
Biden told reporters last week that his top priority in preparing for the Thursday debate was a thorough review of Ryan's budget and policy proposals.
"What I've been doing mostly quite frankly is studying up on Congressman Ryan's positions on the issues," he said. "And Governor Romney has embraced at least everything I can see."
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Foremost among those positions espoused by Ryan are those contained in the two budgets he authored as House Budget Committee chairman. Several aspects of the original 2011 Ryan budget – which includes a complete overhaul of Medicare – are staples in Biden's stump speech. He gives visceral examples, telling audiences to imagine their 80-something mothers using "coupons" to shop around for a good insurance deal.
The more Biden is able to make the debate about the consequences of the less palatable elements of Ryan’s budgets, the easier the Obama campaign will breathe.
Nothing but the truth
Biden has no shortage of lines, tested during months on the campaign trail, which he’s ready to deploy Thursday against the Romney-Ryan ticket.
The vice president will be eager to paint Ryan as having a difficult relationship with the facts, from casting blame for the failure of the Simpson-Bowles fiscal commission to Ryan’s bogus marathon time. But not all of Biden's claims have been given an A+ rating by third parties, even as the VP has continually and publicly begged the press to check his facts.
His assertion that Medicare would "go bankrupt" by 2016 under a Romney-Ryan plan has been deemed an exaggeration. And his claim that the GOP duo would necessarily raise taxes on Social Security benefits is, at best, subject to the eye of the beholder.
But Biden says he is insisting on accuracy in Kentucky, telling reporters last week: "I don't want to say anything in the debate that's not completely accurate."
Slideshow: On the Trail
No matter what, the issue of credibility will be front-and-center in Danville as Republicans keep an eye out for any sign of exaggeration – especially given the standard he’s set for himself.
Impact of interviews
Biden has largely been shielded from journalists’ questions since veering off-message and pronouncing his support for same-sex marriage on “Meet the Press,” stepping on the president’s own announcement of support for marriage rights for gay and lesbian couples.
On Meet the Press today, the vice president discussed the administration's position in the same-sex marriage debate.
The vice president has occasionally taken questions from the traveling press corps following him on the trail and sat for some local interviews earlier this year, but it’s far from Biden’s record as one of the more prolific political interview subjects on network television.
And Biden’s recent exposure to the media is easily outpaced by Ryan, whose team has been happy to point out the staggering amount of local interviews he's done since being picked as the vice presidential nominee in August.
Biden is apt to be rusty when it comes to challenges from the press. Many of his headline-grabbing statements – including the "chains" and "buried" comments – have never been explained by the VP himself in an interview setting.
Experience and appearance
To uninformed viewers, the visual optics in this year’s vice presidential debate may not look that much different from four years ago, when Biden debated a fresh-faced Sarah Palin and faced a directive to avoid being condescending to the then-Alaska governor.
Like Palin, Ryan is an attractive, young newcomer to a national audience, but, unlike Palin, Ryan shares some common experience with Biden despite the decades that separate them.
Both men are Capitol Hill wonks who are readily acquainted with the hallways of Congress, and have worked extensively on budget matters like the Simpson-Bowles deficit plan and “supercommittee” negotiations, which each failed.
And although Ryan is a relative newcomer to foreign policy – an area where Biden established himself as a senator – he will be able to speak with more authority than Palin about the situation on the ground in the Middle East. Ryan has visited Iraq once and Afghanistan three times, with his most recent trip last year. That's a fraction of the visits by Biden, who's been to both countries a combined 20 times, but Ryan's experience doesn't quite invite the "I can see Russia from my house!" parody that so bedeviled the 2008 Republican VP candidate.
Biden's verbal crutches
The vice president has been long parodied for the overuse of his favorite adverbs and turns of phrase. Biden uttered the word "literally" so many times during his Democratic convention speech that the Obama campaign purchased Twitter ads for social media users searching for the word.
But a focused Biden doesn't always rely on his infamous verbal crutches. In his 2008 debate against Palin, he used the word "literally" only once in 90 minutes. "Ladies and gentlemen" and "folks" garnered only a few utterances, and not once did Biden profess that one of his claims was in fact "not hyperbole." (The less frequently noticed "fundamental" did, however, get some healthy overuse from the longtime senator.)
NBC's David Gregory weighs in on what to expect at the tonight's high-stakes vice presidential debate between Joe Biden and Paul Ryan as the vice president tries to slow the Romney campaign's momentum following last week's presidential debate.
RYAN
Paul Ryan has been preparing for the most important moment of his political career – his debate Thursday evening versus Vice President Joe Biden – since the conclusion of the Republican National Convention in August.
In one debate prep session after another – in Oregon, Washington, DC, a resort in a remote part of Virginia and Florida – Ryan has been practicing for the only vice presidential debate of the cycle for weeks. The Wisconsin congressman has dedicated most of his time away from official events reading briefing books or holding mock debates versus Ted Olson, the former solicitor general and stand-in for Biden.
Related: Ryan brings policy details, but supplies Biden with a big target
With that in mind, here are five things to watch tonight in Danville, KY:
Living up to the moment
Ryan might have served as a Wisconsin congressman for the past 14 years, but Thursday night’s debate will be the first time he has debated with the entire nation watching.
Ryan has sparred plenty with other members of Congress on the House floor and debated at least eight times with congressional candidates. But Biden is a far more seasoned debater, and the stakes this time for Ryan far exceed any of his previous debates.
Accordingly, the Romney campaign – along with Romney and Ryan – are downplaying expectations for the big debate.
"Obviously, the vice president has done, I don't know, 15 or 20 debates during his lifetime, experienced debater. This is, I think, Paul's first debate. I may be wrong. He may have done something in high school, I don't know," Romney said Tuesday on CNN.
Slideshow: Ryan on the campaign trail
Ryan told reporters inside an ice cream shop in Florida Wednesday: “Look, Joe Biden has been on this stage many times, this is my first time so sure it is a nervous situation because Joe Biden is one of the most experienced debaters we’ve had in modern politics. But the Achilles heel he has is President Obama’s record and I am really looking forward to giving the American people a very clear choice. “
Playing to his strengths: the budget
As the chairman of the House Budget committee, Ryan knows about the budget better than almost anyone in politics. Luckily for Ryan, Romney’s main message centering on dollars and cents, a topic Ryan is very comfortable discussing.
But while Ryan knows the budget well, he’s also a wonk. He won’t have a PowerPoint presentation available to help viewers understand trend lines and numbers,
His challenge will be to keep his answers simple enough so that people watching will actually understand the somewhat dense concepts.
NBC's David Gregory weighs in on what to expect at the tonight's high-stakes vice presidential debate between Joe Biden and Paul Ryan as the vice president tries to slow the Romney campaign's momentum following last week's presidential debate.
Attacking Biden
Romney and Obama rarely attacked each other directly during last week’s presidential debate, focusing instead on policy differences.
It’s unlikely this trend will continue Thursday evening, as both Ryan and Biden face pressure to play “attack dog,” a more traditional role for a running mate.
One way that Ryan might go at Biden would be to revive comments made by the VP that the middle class was “buried” during the Obama administration.
Ryan told a crowd in Burlington, IA last week: “Vice President Biden just today said that the middle class over the last four years has been quote “buried’ -- we agree! That means we need to stop digging by electing Mitt Romney the next President of the United States. Of course the middle class has been buried. They are being buried by regulations, they are being buried by taxes…they are being buried by borrowing, they are being buried by the Obama administration’s economic failures.”
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As for Ryan, he believes Biden will hit back, telling WTMJ: "We think he's probably going to come at me like a cannonball.”
How well Ryan is prepared for and handles attacks could influence the debate’s outcome.
Foreign policy credentials
When Romney chose Ryan as his running mate, one of the biggest questions involved Ryan’s experience (or lack thereof) on the topic of foreign policy.
While Ryan has been to Iraq and Afghanistan a combination of four times as a lawmaker and deals with foreign policy matters as the House Budget Chairman, his experience hardly compares to Biden’s, a former chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee who has been an influential adviser to the president on foreign policy and national security.
Ryan has been studying on foreign policy during most of the past few months as the vice presidential nominee. Dan Senor, the Romney campaign’s leading foreign policy adviser, has been traveling alongside Ryan heavily since the VP announcement.
In the recent weeks, the GOP VP nominee has gotten much more comfortable answering questions regarding foreign policy – on Syria, Libya, Afghanistan and Israel. One of the bigger questions regarding Ryan involves whether this newfound ease emerges while sparring with Biden.
Letting ‘Paul be Paul’
Ryan’s Midwestern earnestness frequently manifests itself on the campaign trail, when he always uses ‘please’ and ‘thank you’ and ‘I’m sorry’ while speaking to crowds across the country.
But a debate often isn’t the most polite of environments, prompting a key question: Will Ryan act differently?
“I'm not really a line guy. I'm more of a gut guy,” Ryan said about the upcoming debate on Sept. 30 on Fox News. “I don't try to be anybody other than who I am. I believe in what I believe. I do what I do. And I really believe in the policies we're providing, that we're pursuing. And at the end of the day, I'm just going to go in there and be me.”
Given that Romney’s relatability has been one of the GOP nominee’s chief struggles, it’s all the more important that Ryan make up for Romney in that regard.
As a charismatic husband and father of three, avid hunter, and down-to-earth politician who maintains his Wisconsin residence, Ryan’s personality and humor usually come through during campaign rallies and especially on the ropeline. The challenge will be making sure this personality of the potential next vice president shows through Thursday and into the homes of the millions of Americans watching on TV.
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Yesterday Mark & Domenico felt Joe Biden shouldn't come across as too condescending with Lyin Ryan.
I'm wondering if Lyin Ryan will show us the good Catholic upbringing (he likes to brag about) and respect his elder...
Or will he come across as the snot-nosed kid we've become accustomed to?
And a couple of Sam's to wash the popcorn down with will make watching Biden even more Hillaryous!!
Feisty,
Catholics are not supposed to lie so Ryan's "Good Catholic" ship has sailed long time ago.
baylie,
Maybe Ryan will provide his distinction about what constitutes a" forcible" rape?
I have not found that definition in any of my catechisms.
Which brings me back to his *cough cough* marathon time!
Nice example the family man sets for his kids!
lyin ryan, what not me, are you pickin on me, slayer of children, seniors and the poor, will never answer a straight line.
no matter, biden is their to promote the president, what ryan and bush stuck them with, how they responded without the help of the republicans, what they accomplished, especially obama care, because obama cares and what the future holds under obama and what it holds under romney/ryan.
he must hit and repeat, repeat, repeat the key talking points women, public education, jobs and health care for all, and the lack of concern for the 47% a romney presidency holds for the citizens of this country. talk to the camera and by all means ignore (isolate and destroy) the little boy with the very long nose.
round two: smokin joe vs lyin ryan
Biden Wit will win...
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Another better-than-expected job data just came out today...Jobless claims are the lowest in 5 years.
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The country is finally in the right direction - these damages done by Bush and other Republicuunt are so sticky - But Obama the Superman has finally done it.
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FORWARD...
Biden doesn't even need to prepare for tonight's debate, he is just going to make it up as he goes along. Liberals will all claim he was just being Joe, and the mainstream media will call it gaffs. But since the rest of the nation actually has standards, Biden-isms are nothing but lies. Ryan will mop the floor with Biden in the debate, and the Obama campaign will plunge even further into the abyss. Don't be surprised if some manufactured crisis or scheduling conflict prevents Obama from attending anymore debates.
NorthstarDFL
what is a forcible rape (rhetorical question, really)? Why would anyone in their mind even say that out loud?
I just don't get how supposedly intelligent, educated person can even question rape. Is a woman ever raped "just a little"? or "gently"?
Biden wins...if he is FEISTY.....
I'll be watching the Steelers beat the Titans (sorry, Nashville Fan) but I can only pray that the rest of you don't have to see the picture of Ryan in his workout clothes.
Should be another bloodletting by Ryan who will expose Biden in all areas including Foreign Policy - which he was supposedly brought on for by Obama.
I'm going to be stealing Feisty's popcorn so I can laugh and watch another MSNBC meltdown after the debate......
How nice of NBC to remove the story about Benghazi and Obama's cover up/lies/incompetence.
Obama was getting absolutely POUNDED in the comments.
Hey Fiesty - do you work for NBC? Or do you work for the Obama campaign in conjunction with NBC?
Your ridiculous posts always seem to the first post on almost any article so I'm wondering how you get such access?
LMAO Pigotry!
I'm sending some feisty vibes right now!
Bayllie & Northstar,
Not sure if you've seen this, here is another compassionate Christian expounding his knowledge of women;
SF,
It was so bad, I tossed my breakfast! *BLECH*
Ryan ... I simply cannot take that man seriously. If he were applying for an actor job in a car dealership commercial maybe, but VP of the USA and, potentially, president if something happens to Romney? I don't think so. Actually, THAT is a scary thought.
I really don't care much about these debates, especially after I saw how Mitt Robme just went into "lie and deny" mode and decided he needed to switch his positions for the ump-teenth time.
No matter what happens (or happened) in ANY of these debates, I'm 100% behind President Obama, and Vice President Biden, and no debate "performance" can change that.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
There you have it, an admitted right wing THIEF!
Good Grief!
Sweetheart, do don't have to steal anything, just say please pass the *popcorn*!
Us loony libtards don't mind sharing...
Joe will come across like he always does. A used car salesman. I hope his wig doesn't fall off.
Can you imagine Joe becoming President? Talk about scumbag! Joe is it.
I still see Gomer Pyle every time I see Ryan smile. Cannot get it out of my mind. It's that idiotic smirk. But, in fairness to Gomer, he was a sweet innocent idiot - unlike Ryan who is deceitful, bought and paid for by Grove Norquist (and his foreign pals), and doesn't care for anyone but himself.
Actually, Gomer would be a much better candidate.
Average American - you're a total piece of garbage. Vice President Biden - while he has his occassional gaffe - is ten times the man either Romney or Ryan could ever hope to be. He is admired by both Republicans and Democrats in Congress for his ethics and his foreign policy knowledge The only scumbag here is you!
Obama/Biden 2012
What are Feisty vibes? Ignorance vibes? stupidity vibes? looser vibes? You do radiate those with every post!
people arent suppose to lie, what an ignorant statement. oh well its BayLie.
So Obama isnt Catholic (no one really knows what Obama is) so ergo is greenlighted to lie full throttle.
Feisty is no way employed by NBC, they get Feisty pro bono. However Feisty is nothing more than a thrall. that is why Feisty never discusses the issues civilized, just throws out vile insults and witless comments.
Poll numbers are dropping like rocks and the drunk with touretes is the last best chance for the Dem's since the Obama train wreck. What a game plan!
Oh really? Does he propose a balanced budget? Then I would have to disagree.
Hopefully, Lyin Ryan will get his lyin a$$ spanked tonight.
Have you guys not realized yet that the tired and well worn campaign tactic of accusing the other candidate of lying just doesnt work. Hillary tried it on Obama in 08 and voters and much more astute than you progressives give them credit for. None of them are bought by Soros or the Koch brothers, everyone can figure it out on their own (although based on Howard Stern's video maybe Obama voters maybe not) and we all understand that all candidates embellish to pander for votes. Obama is just as bad but no worse than Romney--just let it go--you guys sound shrill and silly. Why not provide your candidate's plans on turning the economy around, respond to Steve Wynn's devestating comments regarding Obama's comments and record on jobs or defend his record on the poor, middle class and minorities over the last 4 years.
By the way, do any of you not find the hypocrisy nor feel any shame at calling Romney a liar in the context of this administrations blatent and horrific lies in the context of both Libya and Fast and Furious where people have actually died? Obama lied for political purposes in Libya while trying to bury a horrific terrorist attack. Talk about having no scruples or morals you guys should be embarrassed to even say the word liar.
Or Dan Ackroyd hawking Super Bass-O-Matics 76!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BQFv83QJ2Y&feature=player_detailpage
Yo Pigotry - ya sure about them job numbers?
You think they we complete and accurate?
Shoot my man, they don't even include all the states.
Now just why do you suppose that is?
SHould be fun to hear One catholic talk about the virtues of government paid for abortions [Joe} and the other talk about the economy and the fact that Joe was in charge of the Stimulus and protecting the middle class.
Okay ... just a little fun for the morning and a wee bit off topic ...
Go to Google and select images and type in completely wrong ...... ;-)
Obama/Biden 2012
Laker Steve
Does Ryan propose bringing our troops home, staying out of Syria, not bombing Iran, etc? Then I'm afraid the blood will be let from our troops and from innocent bystanders, not from any politician.
Pigotry
Biden wins...if he is FEISTY.....
LOL, Yup,
Not to mention, Biden will win even if he isn't Feisty; because Ryan will run off like he did when got frustrated in an interview.
BuzzFeed captured him before the station took it down, show’s Ryan being asked b a local reporter:
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/357199/paul-ryan-abruptly-ends-interview-after-odd-question-video/#eg7xDTrJsZXjiUeb.99
4 more 4 44
Obama/Biden 2012
spanky those jobs numbers are so skewed its not even funny. No one can answer how it takes 150k jobs to meet current demand yet 144k jobs were added and some how even though the current demand isnt met, the unemployment percentage dropped.
First Question: So Rep. Ryan when Romney said the following about 47% of America, "And so my job is not to worry about those people—I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives". You said that was inarticulate. Do you now agree with Romney that it was wrong? And by the way do you and Willard Romney, who wrote a book called No Apologies, now want to apologize to the American people?
Another crock by whiney American Girl.
If Romney did any lying Obama would have countered it instantly.
Instead, it was Obama who sat there like the empty chair with his head hung exposed for the lying bum that he has been since he took office.
Kirk - The economy is turning already, much like it takes economists a full quarter or two to recognize a recession, it will be seen in a short time how the country has turned a corner. The housing market has stablized and prices are increasing, construction is up. The unemployment situation is improving with more people being hired, the UE numbers going down even as more people reenter the job force.
I respectfully disagree with your post. Romney's lies are a matter of fact, Obama's "so called lies" are a matter of opinion. They say Obama's stimulus didn't create jobs, they say HCR is a socialist nationalization of health care , they say Wall Street reform is a damaging threat to capitalism. These are opinions by the GOP, they are not true to me. The stimulus did create jobs per the CBO, HCR is not a government takeover, and wall street reform is an attempt to regulate not destroy capitalism. Don't believe me there are independent studies that refute the GOP talking points.
Romney says the economy is worse off since Obama took over and he has mad it worse. Again by any measure things are better and continuing to improve. Romney says we are worse off in foreign policy and hated more in the world. However, we are out of Iraq, Al Quida despite thier attack in Libya has been diminished (Bin Laden) is dead.
Sadly, I see that you are one of those that believes that the administration is covering up what happened in Libya. Listen Kirk, what happened there was a tragedy and it is disappointing to see so many use it as a political attack against Obama. There is nothing wrong with doing a committee study to find out what happened but the instant pontification and villification coming from the GOP is near treasonous. Things don't always go right. I am not trying to minimize their deaths, but in general Obama has had a strong foreign policy record.
No doubt. Not one economist believes the DLS.
Surely the number will jump to close to 9% after the elections......no matter who wins.
I can answer that. yes there are less people collecting unemployment, there will be a large number that will be filing for goverment assistance because there unemployment run out though
YellowDog - we are seeing a nice upturn in the housing market. More people are buying homes and others are making home improvements. Home values are rising. It's a very good sign.
Plus, everywhere I go there is some type of construction and new businesses are opening.
Obama/Biden 2012
Unfortunately the blood was already spilled by J. Christopher Stevens, who you apparently don't give a damn about......
Feisty, I am sure Ryan will be polite to the vice president. But don't think he will just roll over and be a doormat like Obama was in the first debate.
Is "Liar Liar" all you guys have??? Oh yeah, childish photos by the AP as well.
1. Ryan will refuse any details on Taxes
2. Ryan will refuse any details on Health Care
3. Ryan will refuse any details on Ryan Plan
4. Ryan will refuse any details on Romney Plan
5. Ryan will refuse any details on Womens Rights
6. ryan will refuse any details on Domestic Policy
7. Ryan will refuse any details on Foreign Policy
8. Ryan will refuse any details on Gay Rights
9. Ryan will refuse any details on Dogs and Cats Rights
10.Ryan will refuse any details on being for or against anything
TO: Average American-2299641 who wrote:
Oh yes, and I hope either Joe or Hillary run for POTUS after President Obama's 2nd Term, in 2016.
What I could NOT imagine is a "Lyin Paul Ryan" becoming president.
We don't even know who Republicans are working for but they must be working for Grover Nordquist, because they've already proven over the last 4 years that Republicans don't serve the American People; just the opposite, we've had 4 years of Republicans working against us. Correction: We've had 12 YEARS of Republicans working against us!
Obama/Biden 2012
CA - don't do much research, do you.
As the year 2011 began on Jan. 1, the oldest members of the Baby Boom generation celebrated their 65th birthday. In fact, on that day, today, and for every day for the next 19 years, 10,000 baby boomers will reach age 65. The aging of this huge cohort of Americans (26% of the total U.S. population are Baby Boomers) will dramatically change the composition of the country. Currently, just 13% of Americans are ages 65 and older. By 2030, when all members of the Baby Boom generation have reached that age, fully 18% of the nation will be at least that age, according to Pew Research Center population projections.
This is certainly a false statement as Romney only actions in the debate were to attack Obama. Romney whole policy changed during the debate or was as vague as it has been the whole campaign.
Expect to see Ryan slam Democrat leadership as many times as Romney did without talking about policy and plans for this country.
Actually, the only thing Joe has to do is not stick his foot in his mouth and he'll be declared the winner. Anything more than that and the leftie FIBs on this site and others might go into euphoric shock....
unfortunatey you are right. Its sad to see our Gov, our politicians have no accountability. Fast and Furious, this Libya thing, the jobs numbers that are clearly a joke, no EFFING Budget. I dont just blame obama, the Bush admin was just as shady. It needs to end. Ultimately American citizens are on the sh*t end of the stick.
PS blearyeyed. Posting a few paragraphs of non related info does nothing to explain what I asked. So go ahead and do your end zone dance but Laker Steve is right, many analysists aren't buying it. it doesnt add up.
How do you lefties put it? that dog dont hunt
Actually, the only thing Joe has to do is not stick his foot in his mouth and he'll be declared the winner. Anything more than that and the leftie FIBs on this site and others might go into euphoric shock....
Laker Steve
Ahh, yes. If I'm not for one, I'm for the other, right? From which orifice did you just pull that thought from?
Obama too is a war mongering foreign policy failure of a president, and I'm not voting for him either. Feel better?
Gary Johnson 2012
moninnj.....you are quit astute!!! Hit that nail right on the head...why are the Progressive-Marizist the first to be spewing their sewage!!?? Day after day!!
by the way,, Pravda Press says joe is "folksy and aggressive"===equates to a loud mouth drunk that will be screaming and Non -attentive to the moderator, throwing out lie after lie....you can NOT argue with a Drunk!!!
Just hit all the miserable failures of the last 4 years and the melting down and killing of the US embassy people!! There is nO way to defend that!!
The Obama camp has released it's strategy to help lower the damage that Biden will do in the debate to the campaign.................they have given Joe the wrong address and starting time and pray that he doesn't show up.
The jobs numbers are a lie?
If they're a lie wouldn't you come up with a better one than that?
I suppose I should give the claim some benefit of the doubt. After all, the guy who made the loudest claims was Jack Welch...now there's a guy who knows a thing or two about cooking the books!
The libbies are really in a tizzy. Look how many posts old fisting deadhead and her ilk have made trying to prop up ol "biteme". I can tell you one thing, the debate will be good and YOU libs won't like it!!!! LOL LOL LOL
Saying you will be yourself on Fox is well and dandy ... they will support and prop up any and all right wing nut cases ...
Ryan would also do well if the moderator was again Jim (dementia) Lehrer!!!
But with millions looking on ...Martha Raddatz in Control ... his past lies and the truth of his narrow-minded programs will be revealed ...
Some of you haters need to go back to 8th grade and learn grammar and spelling. Then at least, your hate speech would sound articulate.
Yellowdog--I would use the campaign comments in both the primary and the presidential election by Obama as the same as Romney. I agree much of what you state that the GOP has concluded dont work are opinions. But comments by Obama regarding transparency, his community organizing activities (while representing slum landlords as an attorney), disavowing his religious relationships, Tony Rezco, Gitmo, critical comments on Hillary in the primary on her record etc as blatant campaign lies no different than the accusations on Romney now. Besides my comments were more that its a waste of time as a campaign tactic which is clearly what the Obama campaign volunteers and Jen Ptaki are doing. The constant deflection from Obama's record is amazing.
As for the economy, most economists including virtually all the private equity firms (some very prominent Obama supporters) predict GDP growth to be equal or lower next year than this year. I hope you are right and we have turned the corner. The stimulus did create jobs but on a price per job, we would have been better off just writing a check to everyone--it was more of a subsidy to keep state government employment than a real private market stimulus. HCR's hidden taxes and incentives to eliminate private employment provision of health care while not doing anything about expense control is are the bigger issues with HCR. I am in the camp that we just need some sort of universal coverage system and wall street reform was a waste and did nothing but increase the costs of doing business as a bank while not reducing any of the risks it was supposed to.
As for Libya, to be honest, I agree that making political hay out of the issue is wrong but quite frankly I dont understand what the Obama administration is doing and why they clearly intentionally lied to the American People. I dont really understand what the agenda was and I think it was very politically dumb on their part.
Romney is wrong on Obama's foreign policy but he is right to criticize some of it. Obama's record on foreign policy is not working in the Middle East, certainly not Iran and his leading from behind approach just isnt working. In the rest of the world, its still wait and see but it hasnt been a disaster thats for sure. I wouldnt say he has a strong foreign policy record, I would say its middle of the road with some open issues that will be resolved in the future.
As you know, I fundamentally disagree with Obama's economic principles and I really think he just doesnt get it. His comment in the debates regarding wanting to stop tax incentives for companies to offshore jobs and create incentives to inshore jobs basically by increasing US tax on foreign earnings. That is just an incredibily naive and economically damaging view of global economics and every single economist tells him that actually loses jobs than creates it. But I think he really does believe it. Steve Wynn's comments are very accurate too a former Obama voter.
Biden's gaffe of "middle class is buried" should have been finished with "in debt, the result of failed Bush trickle down policies that kept working people's wages low and the money the rich had to loan them high."
Sometimes I lose my train of thought in the middle of a sentence. I'm sure it can happen to anyone, even Joe Biden.
I found nothing in Joe's statement wrong, except he didn't finish the sentence.
Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill. Is that all you Republicans got?
Let's talk Romney's 20% tax cut plan. Now , that's important.
It changes every time I hear him talk about it. Usually, a campaign's policy is worked out before it is released. This Romney tax cut plan keeps morphing into something different. It started as a stimulus plan. Now, its only economic effect will be to hurt the housing market, charities, and people in high tax states and cities.
Romney, a disaster for America.
Let's elect OBAMA/BIDEN in 2012.
if you're going to disagree at least explain why instead of saying jack welch is a cheat. Explain it Noid. the jobs numbers are probably fine, its the unemployment percentage that is suspect.
Hey if you are 55 and younger get ready for a Health Voucher, You can choose between a Heart attack and a Stroke but you cant get both unless you pay that additional 8 thousand a year to your insurance company, and then you got to hope that they don't throw you off the insurance, because we know the insurance company has a heart and are not in it for the Bottom dollar
The GOP/Tea Party Chant is Lets Vote for Romney and lets get rid of all of the parasitic Seniors
Obama/Biden your Grandparents life depend on it
We cannot afford as a Nation Psychopathic Personality Disorder Myth Robme or If my mouth is moving I am Lying Paul Ryan in office
A couple of things to watch for will be how long into the debate will it be before "Ol's Stupid" Joe says something racist or makes an obvious gaffe, which will have his campaign handlers rotating like whirling dervishes trying to spin a story that does not depict Joe as the moron and village idiot he is.
Job claims falls, but number's are incomplete. There is a large state's numbers missing from this report. Unfortunately they don't specify that in the report nor can we find out which state's numbers are missing. They are guessing it might be California.
CNNMoney.com
Feisty,
what?
This whole rape thing is just disgusting. The victims of rape not only get violated by the rapists, they also get to be victimized by the idiots in our government.
We had a betting pool set up as to when Biden will stick his foot in his mouth during the debate. Unfortunately, everyone wanted the spot for the first 5 minutes, so we gave it the toss....the pool is much like the polls, who think Ryan will win the day by a significant margin.
mary p ...
"Some of you haters need to go back to 8th grade and learn grammar and spelling."
A "the" might fit somewhere ... what do you think?????
Good point though ... all of these Obama haters make me sick ...
Look at all the Little Quisling Teatards running around whining...lololol The same old Paid for by Koch/Rove drug cartel getting paid $8 bucks an hour sitting in Mommy's basement posting lies and playing witch war-craft on XBOX
Beverlyin Chicago, Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL and PatBoston MA must be paid political operatives of the Obama reelection campaign. There is simply no other way to rationalize their posts.
Only a fool of the greatest magnitude could ever consider voting for a man who steadfastly refuses to even place his hand over his heart during the playing of America's National Anthem!!! Any man who views this country with the level of resentment and disdain Obama has demonstrated by these actions is clearly unfit to serve in this hallowed role as President of the United States!!!
Beyond the posts of these paid political operatives, any more myopic minded single issue constituency's that blindly support Obama without carefully examining his background and true agenda are in fact FOOLS OF THE GREATEST MAGNITUDE!
Romney/Ryan 2012
Is it just me, that thinks Mitt Romney has a Psychopathic Personalty Disorder? God help us if he gets into office and he goes even crazier than he currently is. 1 hand on the Prozac bottle and the other on the red button
Obama/Biden 2012 We need Sanity in the WhiteHouse not a Psychopath
Laker Steve
if?
Apparently you don't let fact checkers get in your way either.
I'll tell you what, show me ANYTHING that disproves fact checkers' claim that Romney will NOT be able to pay for his almost $5 trillion dollar tax cut WITHOUT taking deductions from the Middle Class.
ClearVoice2
how about you come up with some facts that disprove their posts.
Instead, I see, you copy and paste your silly post everywhere.
Another useless rereg....
I think he fits the majority of these points below
The following characteristics of a psychopath, defined by Hervery M. Cleckley in 1941 in the book Mask of Sanityinclude:
also
Because of their inability to gauge when their actions are being perceived as dishonest, deceitful or dangerous, they also fail to accept that there are consequences for their actions. They always maintain a belief that they can outwit those who pursue them and that they will never be caught. Once caught, they believe they will find a way back out.
I think there is a lot to say about Mitts Mental Health Issues even his wife Queen Annie said she is worried about his Mental Well Being
Man that yellow dog guy is a piece of work. How can you be that delusional?
Redhead,
As a Catholic myself, I take strong offense at your suggestion that Ryan is a Catholic. He is as much a Catholic as he is a runner who completes marathons in under three hours. Catholic's believe in doing good deeds, helping our neighbors, being kind to, and looking out for our fellow man, loving God, and supporting our country. Ryan bastardizes everything Catholics believe in. I can promise you that Ryan's plan to rape the middle class, take away health care and food from the elderly, throw the disabled out into the streets, and urinate on the grave of every America soldier that died defending our freedoms did not come from a Catholic upbringing. Seems to me he takes after Satan rather than Jesus.
Clear Voice 2 - It is tradition to put your hand over your heart during the pledge of allegience - not necessary during the playing of the National Anthem - nor is it the norm. For the national anthem you are to stand at attention with your arms at your side. You really should learn protocol before you post.
Your idea of what makes a good American and what makes a fool probably needs work. Otherwise - you just look ignorant and backward.
Obama/Biden 2012
In response Feisty's post: (Yesterday Mark & Domenico felt Joe Biden shouldn't come across as too condescending with Lyin Ryan.
I'm wondering if Lyin Ryan will show us the good Catholic upbringing (he likes to brag about) and respect his elder...
Or will he come across as the snot-nosed kid we've become accustomed to?)
Feisty, you are pathetic. When a liberal can't speak the truth, he/she resorts to name calling, and you take the cake! All the dems have done in this campaign is, what a psychologist would call, "projection." Everyone of their own weaknesses have been "projected" onto Romney and Ryan. I keep reading about Romney and Ryan lying, yet in actuality, it is Obama and team that can't get their facts straight...case in point: Libya. Four years of lying to the American people is enough.
Someone tell Joe and Barak to run on their record. No? Why not?
Looks like the DNC hired extra bloggers for tonight's deathbate? Biden will be all right if he remembers that he's not in the union hall & keeps his big mouth shut. Let's face it, Obama couldn't even defend his record of 4 yrs.of failure and now you put your hope & change on Joe? Obama/Biden have a better chance with voter fraud!!!!!
Biden's opening statement......"This debate is a big F@#$%$ deal....oh damn not again is this mike on?".
I don't think he will make it past his opening statement without a gaffe.
This is going to be fun to watch, Ryan is going to rope-a-dope Bumbling Joe Biden. Hell even Big Bird kicked Obama in the ass after he walked out there when Romney whopped his ass. Bumbling Joe Biden will be carried off stage by the paramedics once Ryan gets him all frazzled and Joe starts frothing at the mouth with trying to defend what Obama couldn't do.
Again, it is going to be fun to watch to see Bumbling Joe being used as a human punching bag, he'll look like the used toilet paper that Obama had stuck on his shoe when Romney schooled him.
Both the dem and repub candidates are engaged, or plan to engage in the continued destruction of our economy. Neither is any better than the other.
Balance the budget, limit the Fed, audit the Fed, allow competing currencies, remove regulatory restraint on a competitive market place, and abolish the income tax. Fix the economy, vote Gary Johnson
By law, a company must send out layoff notices 60 days prior to a plant closing or a mass layoff. This was put into place as a result of the WARN Act, or Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act, enacted in 1988. In light of the impending across-the-board budget cuts that are coming January 1, 2013 due to the failure of the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction, more commonly known as the Super-Committee, to find a way to cut $1.5 trillion from the federal deficit over the next decade, major cuts to defense are imminent. These cuts to defense will affect major defense contractor, Lockheed Martin. Looking ahead to the inevitability of these events, Lockheed Martin warned that it will be sending out layoff notices, which are required by law, in early November, just days before the presidential election.
Now Lockheed Martin says that they will not issue the layoff notices, at the request of the White House. Last Friday, U.S. Senators John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Kelly Ayotte released a statement on the Obama Administration’s guidance to Lockheed Martin to ignore the WARN Act, calling the current administration out on this thinly veiled political move. In the memorandum from the Office of Management and Budget issued last Friday, the administration concluded that notices would not be necessary in this situation because it would cause “waste and disruption,” but if any potential future litigation would be faced, the government would allow certain compensation, litigation, and attorney fees to be covered by the government contract.
Obviously, if Lockheed Martin sends out layoff notices a few days before the election, this could have a negative impact on the President’s re-election. But should politics really matter when it comes to following the law? Asking this company to not follow the WARN Act, is setting the company up for potential massive lawsuits, for which the government is volunteering to pay. What will the government use to pay for these lawsuit expenses? Taxpayer dollars, of course. With the government hitting a new high for the national debt at $15 trillion, is it really a safe bet for Lockheed Martin to trust that Congress will go along with this plan and vote to fund this, should these events happen? Lockheed Martin could always hope that whichever man is elected next year will realize that cutting defense puts our country at risk and will work with Congress to opt for budget cuts elsewhere.
I think we saw why not in the last debate. Obama has been in a shell protected by the mainstream media, his administration officials etc. He has been able to say whatever he wanted with no direct debate. He had spent hundreds of millions running ads negative to Romney that Romney himself couldn't counter until after the convention. Obama had painted the picture he wanted Romney to be..............and in 90 minutes that was shattered and Obama was shocked and couldn't defend himself. In that one moment Romney became the Alpha Male on that stage for all of America to see and the dynamics of this election have changed. Now I still don't know who will win as it comes down to the swing states and who shows up at the polls it can go either way now.
One thing to watch for is a meltdown from Joe and left ass party.
BOZO and his court jester joe loses by a LANDSLIDE!!! Then I hope you socialist unamerican traitors to this country LEAVE!!!
@ gtouch - I'm right there with you! LOL!
Speaking of good catholics, I wonder how Joe would answer the question about abortion...as a "good catholic" he can not support any action that terminiates human life for convience. It would also be interesting to hear from Joe how he advised obama on the Benghazi murder of Ambassador Stevens...
I think there is a lot to say about Mitts Mental Health Issues even his wife Queen Annie said she is worried about his Mental Well Being
TJMO
What Joe told President Obama was There they go again the GOP/TP= American Taliban have killed more of our Service men and Women
lets see you put the blame where it belongs, SQUARELY ON THE GOP/TP=AMERICAN TALIBANS DOORSTEP
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) voted to cut back on funds for embassy security. (AP Photo/J. Scott)
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) acknowledged on Wednesday that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010.
On Wednesday morning, CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien asked the Utah Republican if he had "voted to cut the funding for embassy security."
"Absolutely," Chaffetz said. "Look we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have…15,0000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, a private army there, for President Obama, in Baghdad. And we're talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya to help protect our forces. When you're in tough economic times, you have to make difficult choices. You have to prioritize things."
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
Once again the GOP/Teaparty=American Taliban have killed American Citizens overseas with there lack of knowledge about security
Nope, but he'll beat around the bush about how he and Rmoney "have a plan" - a plan to sodomize the middle class like an altar boy.
lee-936758 ... you're talking the same old crap ........
I think that Obama has a great record to run on ... it's just that the fools that gave us Bush and tried to give us Palin don't know what a good record is ...
Now if you want War ... and a bad economy ... hey ... you had that with Bush and you can have it again under the folks running now that gave him Carte Blanche!!!!!
For those that follow me, see more down at 2.32! Enjoy. Here is a suggestion, lead by example and maybe try to respond in support of their candidate.
Kirk - I'm not from Ill. don't know much about the Rezco thing and couldn't care less about Rev. Wright. I've been one to think that my fellow liberals shouldn't have gone after Romney and the Bully and or dog abuser meme. I don't desparately pine to see his tax returns. So agree lets not try to divert attention to what these guys believe in and espouse.
About outsourcing, there are pros and cons. The pro for the business is they keep costs down by hiring cheap labor with no benefits. The con more and more Americans lose their jobs. The cons quality control may suffer due to lack of oversight. I'm sure you can elaborate why I am looking at this simplistically, but from my point of view they may have a desire for profit but I have no obligation to make sure that companies are profitable.
See my post 2.32 about the my perceptions of Obama vs. Romney plans for the future.
As we agree that HCR should have been single payer or public option we also agree that the economy can grow and will because of or in spite of the next POTUS. The difference is the intangibles, stacking the Supreme court, social injustice, foreign policy. All will be very different based on who is President in 2013.
Once again, the "cut down" troll posts more elementary level trash. Nothing like lowering the presidential race to an immature high school popularity contest.
truetexan
You make it sound like the role of the defense department is that of some sort of federal jobs program. We can't all work for the government or for government contractors. Defense spending needs to be cut, just like almost every other budget item. National defense, yes. Nation building, imperialism, interventionism, enriching defense contractors, not so much.
Hello folks, the only reason the government can get away with looking you in the eye and lying to you is because you allow it. They have you right where they want you, divided, distracted and in fear.
Our political system is a one headed two party system that serves the same masters, Wall Street and the banksters/Federal Reserve.
Aren't you more complex a human or individual that no one can stick you in one of two boxes? How about another choice?
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012
so you're the one!
TrustVerify
AWAKE!
Caesar Augustus- ... funny and very dumb at the same time ... and you fall into the group mentioned ...
Now tell me ... what did Bush do????
AND ... which Romney position are we to believe "TODAY"????
@dingleb...I couldnt agree more with you! The point to the post was to deceive the public and skew the numbers. We NEED cuts across the board or we will sink. ALSO, who will pay for the litigation and attorney fees? US the tax payers! It wont be coming out of their pockets.
I'm surprised by those who choose to use the Ambassador's death as an indictment of Obama's foreign policy. Ryan's budget propositions include maintaining military spending while cutting spending to the State Department. Seems to me that suggests that Mr. Ryan is not interested in spending the money to protect our embassies -- in fact, he believes that cutting their budgets is in our best interests.
Hey DaNoid
Seems one state didn't report in time to make the compilation of numbers. No fear though, it was just little CALIFORNIA.
So with all of the comments about Lyin' Ryan where are all of the comments about Plagiarizin' Joe? Surely you haven't forgotten the reason for his early departure from his presidential bid in '88.
Or is it acceptable for a dem to lie (plagiarism is lying) but not acceptable for repubs? Let me guess, there is a statute of limitations for Joe.
the thinker-318752 ... let me see ... plagiarism for a speech AND 27 lies to a international audience in a presidential debate ....
Damn ... I'll have to THINK about that one!!!!!
SeekingSanity - Your post at 1.70 as to proper protocol during the National Anthem is wrong. You might want to check the following: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301.
It appears you owe clear voice 2 an apology, unless you can post something that supersedes the U.S. Code.
Ryan should just keep repeating Biden's own quotes
truetexan
My mistake. The corruption is mind boggling, and the only way they get away with it is that they know that, no matter what, the dems will vote for whichever turd wins their primary, and the repubs will vote for any turd that wins their primary.
Paul Ryans loves Ayn Rand but most people dont know is that Ayn Rand Blueprint was Adolph Hitlers Mein Kampf and I heard a Rumor that Paul Ryan Loved Marge Schott the late owner of the Cincinnatti Reds who herself was a devoted follower of the Nazi Party
The Choice is very clear come November
A Vote for Robme/Lyin Ryan is a Vote for War, Death and destruction of our Children
A Vote for Obama/Biden is a Vote for Sanity and Safety of our Children
It is not hard....... VOTE STRAIGHT DEMOCRAT THROW THE GOP/AMERICAN TALIBAN OUT OF OFFICE
We already have seen what Bush and the GOP did to the USA in 2008, and we have Mittens/Bush2.0 steroided out wanting the same old failed policys
And this article contradicts you, sfcret: http://snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp
tell me who cares, he's not president. as someone said earlier, its like you hard lefties use Bushes failures as a justification for Obamas.
and which one would that be? the 'neanderthallic, knuckle draggin redneck Republican' one? Go away Pomous lib, your 'Demigod' is an Epic Failure.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/11/let-gary-johnson-debate/
Well said, Mr. Napolitano
DingleB...
the dems will vote for whichever turd wins their primary, and the repubs will vote for any turd that wins their primary.
Thats true to a large degree. The people in ther are more corrupt than the average person could imagine! but when the only options of a snowballs chance in winning is the lesser of two evils and one of them (dems) is WAY worse, then sometimes you hold your nose and vote. IF they (the tea party) would get rid of the old guard (John B. for one) and get the houses in order the way they were MEANT to be we would be on the right track again. The tea party isnt anything like the ass party makes them out to be. They want to put everything right. I am not a repub. I AM a conservative. I wouldnt vote a democRAT for dog catcher.
Considering how often Biden suffers from "Foot in Mouth" Disease, tonight's debate should be a laugh-fest in favor of all of us who enjoy political comedy.
fielden - You might want to read the flag code cited in the article you mention. You might also want to read the U.S. Code that I quoted. The snopes article you are citing was in response to a picture and my response was on the proper protocol whenever and whereever the National Anthem is played. Now if you can show me something that takes precedence over the U.S. Code (snopes doesn't do it) please feel free to enlighten me.
I have long thought, just from the tenor of the comments and the phrases used, that the Obama "grassroots movement" included a number of paid bloggers, whose only job is to come on to sites such as "Newsvine" and to spread the official line under the guise of being an ordinary observer and citizen.
Now I find out that "Feisty Redhead", whose comment started this whole thread, is supposedly a woman named Jen Psaki, an employee of the White House Communications Office.
And she wants to talk about intellectual dishonesty?
There is a scandle going on right now with (not voter fraud) donor fraud. Foreign money going to bozo. Google it and see for yourself. THAT is a felony!! BOZO and his "team" are felons. PLEASE google it!!
Fiesty Redhead,
Your insight is very short-sighted. It would be nice if you could stay on topic rather than swaying back to the party lines that have become so hackneyed that they are boring (and certainly not vote swaying).
Just a thought.
WAAAAYYY too much credit to Feisty. way too much.
SeekingSanity
Clear Voice 2 - It is tradition to put your hand over your heart during the pledge of allegience - not necessary during the playing of the National Anthem - nor is it the norm. For the national anthem you are to stand at attention with your arms at your side. You really should learn protocol before you post.
Your idea of what makes a good American and what makes a fool probably needs work. Otherwise - you just look ignorant and backward.
Obama/Biden 2012
Not only are you not a Christian as you have claimed, your outright ignorance and distortion of the truth is appalling and unamerican!
The US flag code states “during a rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed ALL present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart"!
Liberals always attempt to distort the truth to their own advantage! Your appalling lack of knowledge tends to give credence to the assertion that thirsty American liberals placed in a desert would drink the sand, not because they were dying
of thirst, but because they simply don’t know the difference!
Romney/Ryan 2012
Obama
would never be reelected if this country enforced a mandatory voter competency
test!
would you prefer the Bellamy salute as was custom prior to 1942?
MSNBC's Alex Moe reports:
You know its bad if the GOP already has an extraordinarily large number of liars (that's what SPIN means) lined up to explain what the candidate just said.
Really??? That's all you got Feisty? Call them liars.
I guess he really can't run on his record so why not, huh? Remember all those promises Obama made when he was running the first time? How many did he keep? So who is the real liar?
Have you asked yourself, if Romney was lying at the last debate, 'why didn't Obama call him on it?' Romney called him a liar twice to his face and Obama didn't deny it.
Who is the real liar?
I guess you have to say what ever you can to keep the peoples minds off of Obama and Biden's record.
How much does the Obama team pay bloggers to blah, blah, blah...rah, rah, rah...I'd like to apply for a job!!!
Caesar Augustus- Your words ...
"its like you hard lefties"
"Go away Pomous lib"
Well well ... must have hit a nerve!!!!
I am not a Dem or a Lefty ... one of those middle folk who have enough sense to at least give a man a chance ...
I'm not letting Obama off the hook by badmouthing Bush you idiot ... but I do know who dug the hole in the first place and when Obama tries to fill in the hole the Republicans shovel out a little more ....
So you just keep on thinking that anyone could get us out of the hole that Bush put us in ... in less that 4 years ....... idiot!
Hey feisty, Your BOZO has ONLY kept ONE...ONE promise. "We will fundamentally CHANGE America"!! He has and it SUCKS!! He is a traitor!
@newscover...You have to be a lib to vote for one. ANYBODY who would vote for this clown is a card carrying idiot!
@redcloud...google this if you have any gonads.
obama 4 years of lies in HIS own words.
Yellowdog--I dont think you look at simplistically at all. The problem now isnt just cheap labor and I have a completely different view if we were only worrying about American companies selling products to US consumers. If thats all it was, much of the outsourcing issue could be dealt with using tax policy and tariffs. The problem I see is that so much of our economy and jobs are based on sales of goods in foreign countries. Most technology companies like Cisco, Apple, Microsoft actually realize a higher percentage of their revenue in foreign markets. So first how do you determine that the offshoring wasnt for the purpose of selling products in such countries and second you cant use tax policy and tariffs to stay competitive in such countries. The US cant force Toyota to sell their cars in Brazil using the same tax rate that GM must pay in the US and our current system already puts us at a disadvantage and Obama wants to make it worse. Transfer pricing issues and global competition is at a stage that we cant control it like we used to by being the only quality player on the national stage. Increasing taxes on business in any form only makes it easier for foreign competition to steal revenue and thus lose US jobs. I am not saying there is a level playing field and that we shouldnt be trying to make sure China, Japan etc play fair and compete fairly but the inshoring and offshoring issues espoused by Obama are meant to inflame political passions like his class warfare rather than actually being good economic policy
Barack Obama has been proven by more than one fact checking organization to be a habitual liar.
“I am told that Governor Romney’s new running mate, Paul Ryan, might be around Iowa the next few days,” he said while in Council Bluffs, Iowa. “He is one of the leaders of Congress standing in the way. So if you happen to see Congressman Ryan, tell him how important this farm bill is to Iowa and our rural communities.”
House passed bill on August 2, 2012 (Paul Ryan voted yes)
The American automobile industry has come roaring back…So now I want to say what we did with the auto industry, we can do it in manufacturing across America. Let’s make sure advanced, high-tech manufacturing jobs take root here, not in China. And that means supporting investment here. Governor Romney … invested in companies that were called ‘pioneers’ of outsourcing. I don’t want to outsource. I want to insource.
Forbes- Outsourcer-In-Chief: Obama Of General Motors
“You Didn’t Build that”
A few examples
When GM invests abroad and hence transfers jobs abroad that is globalization. When a company that Bain Capital is trying to turn around does the same, that is outsourcing.
Great question Red_Cloud - Someone reported that Willard Romney said 27 lies during the last debate. How could the media let those slip by without a response?
I hope that VP Biden gets a haircut, and that he either wears a hat, or gets some makeup on the top of his head - to help reduce the glare from his bald spots. It really is distracting to have to dodge that kind of glare.
Also, I hope that VP Biden stays on message and focused, and that he does not say any "clunker statements."
Feisty, my prediction is that Ryan will come across as a mature, well-developed statesman who has ideas and the ability to think. Biden, the skipper's little buddy, will come across as a fool who might remember some talking points.
I will relish the crestfallen liberals with their cutesy insults about Ryan when their god's cohort, the irresponsible speaker, Biden gets crushed.
The lies are peddled wholesale by the Dems, yet the gullible sheep who know nothing but what they are told by the media believe them hook line and sinker.
TO: Laker Steve who wrote:
[American Girl-724855 wrote: I really don't care much about these debates, especially after I saw how Mitt Robme just went into "lie and deny" mode and decided he needed to switch his positions for the ump-teenth time.]
Republicans have a lousy reputation for being "listeners" and an even worse reputation for "reading and comprehension".
I suppose you follow Sarah "The Bimbo" Palin in the "not reading newspapers" department also.
How could you miss all the articles that are right here on this site setting forth word for word contradictions made by Mitt Robme, including, but not limited to, the FACT that Mitt Robme has one stump speech he recites in Iowa, and a totally different, contradictory stump speech Romney recites in Ohio.
Most folks call that "lying" because Romney does it waaay too often, and has yet to say that any of these contradictions was a "mistake".
Obama/Biden 2012
sfcret, I read both articles, yours and mine. It appears you stopped reading mine before the end. There is a paragraph towards the end which notes that the code does not mandate hand over heart and that the practice is changing.
You might also look at this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/mitt-romneys-misfire-on-the-national-anthem/2012/02/05/gIQA5NLKsQ_blog.html
Particularly:
Actually, the U.S. Flag Code says that, for civilians, the hand should go over the heart during both the pledge and the anthem. But the language is precatory (“should”), not mandatory (“shall”). In other words, Obama may have violated a patriotic custom enacted by Congress, but no legal sanctions are authorized for failing to put one’s hand over the heart during the national anthem.
There is a difference, sfcret, between a requirement and a custom.
It would appear, sfcret that we are both right. You can follow the code you quote, I can choose to interpret it differently.
Have a nice day.
TO: Colorado-Man who wrote:
Is doesn't matter one bit to me, no clever saying by Ryan, nor any gaffe by Biden could EVER make me vote for ANY Republican this election cycle.
Republican Politicians have not kept their sworn oath to the American People and have worked against us for the past 4 years and Republicans claim that they stalled our Economic Recovery because it was their strategy to hurt us in order to deny President Obama a second term.
Republicans thought about it and decided to hurt America and the American People so they could ostensibly hurt the President of the United States.
I would not, and could not, award treason by voting for any Republican who took part in such a traitorous scheme against the United States AND the American People, AND against our Constitutional Right to Free and Fair Elections by trying to invalidate our 2008 Presidential Election!
Obama/Biden 2012
Biden.... LOL what a moron.
I'm looking forward to see how Biden supports their failed record tonight. It should be good entertainment since Ryan is known to be a very good debater.
How tired the "because Obama can't run on his record" argument is. Not only has Obama been running on his record which categorically show that across many statistics things have improved, but we now have several important statistics that even more readily demonstrate that Obama has improved things during his term:
1.) Unemployment is now at the point when he took office (which, btw, was before the bottoming out of the economy. In fact, at the worst point, unemployment was at 10%, which means it has dropped by over 2% in his term).
2.) New unemployment claims at 4.5 year low. If you do the math, that means new unemployment claims are lower than they were under Bush before the recession really began to get going.
3.) Home foreclosures lowest in 5 years. Yep, you saw that right -- home foreclosures are now lower than BEFORE the imploding of the housing bubble.
As things only continue to improve -- not just before the election but after Obama is re-elected, will you all eat your words? Or will you just come up with more conspiracy theories and mental gymnastics to justify your hate of Obama? I'll assume it will be the latter. Facts just don't get in the way of the type of rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth hatred I see in these comment threads.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
Joe "Robinette" Biden (yes, his middle name really is Robinette), AKA Joe "Bite Me" Biden (as he's affectionately called by our military) vs. Paul Ryan.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME LIBBIES?
This is going to be a bigger WHOOPIN than your boy-toy Barrack Hussein got from Romney.
Joe "Bite Me" has been memorizing numbers, to no avail. Ryan not only has numbers he knows what they mean. The problem with Barrack Hussein, Joe "Bite Me" and the rest of the Liberal cabal is that they don't have a clue what the numbers mean and how they impact other numbers.
Liberals understand simple parochial slogans, tag-lines and DNC directed talking points. Things like, Hope & Change, Yes We Can, You Didn't Build That and my favorite, "I'll decrease the deficit by half".
Yeah, and Joe "Bite Me" won't go off topic at least 5 times tonight.
All you have to do is remember the beat-down Paul Ryan gave Barrack Hussein in 2010 at Blair House at the "Health Care Summit" when for 10 minutes Ryan dismantled Obamacare for the fraud it has turned out to be.
How much more proof do you need than when he predicted the "Class Act" couldn't work, and guess what, he was right. It's gone. He explained how the original price tag of $970 billion was too low, guess what, it's nearly $2 trillion now.
The look on Barrack Husseins face was PRICELESS as he was stunned and shocked. Of course he had NO answer for Ryan. It was similar to the look on Barracks face when Prime Minister Netanyahu schooled him about the real meaning of being an ally and the 1967 Israeli borders.
But hey, Barrack did sit through Daniel Ortega's 52 minute anti-America tirade without even so much as blinking. I guess he felt right at home.
But hey, the Liberals on our House floor gave Mexicos Pepe Calderon a standing ovation as he insulted and berated the Arizona immigration law which all of them, including Barrack Hussein, Janet Neopolitan and Eric Holder, admitted they never read.
By the end of this debate you Libbies will be hoping Joe "Bite Me" puts himself back in chains and buries himself.
It's science!
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©
Siobhan--Obama is running as protector of the middle class. So what are the unemployment rates for the poor, middle class and minorities since he took office and how have they fared against upper middle class and non minorities? If he is their champion, explain why they have done so much worse? If he can run on his record and things have improved why is government assistance up 100% over those 4 years to over 1 trillion dollars and his own budget (that didnt get passed) shows it continuing to grow instead of going down? GDP growth has improved less than 2% so I guess you could say things have improved since he took office but at the slowest rate of any recovery since the great depression. Not a record he wants to run on do you think?
When Romney was governor he balanced the State budget using Federal Funds. Now that he is running for president he states he wants to balance the Federal budget on the backs of tax payers cutting programs out of the Federal budget and handing them to the States to pay for. He will not raise taxes, the States will be reqired to do it instead. Then on top of that he wants to increase the defense budget. How could this provide jobs and improve the economy, seriously, THINK PEOPLE!
Cesar,
I watched Jack Welch interview on Hardball with Chris Matthews.
Jack used to be CEO of GE which owned NBC and MSNBC.
Jack had no proof for his allegation. In fact he tweeted his prediction of unemployment rate the night before at 7.9%.
The next day it came in at 7.8% and he proceeded to tweet his Chicago conspiracy theory.
If you look at the numbers, the revisions for July and August would have lowered rate to 7.9 or 8.0%. So gain in September to 7.8% is in line with what one would expect after July consumer sales up 9% number.
Businesses are gearing up for a good 4th quarter. Productivity increases have dropped off and profit increases resulting from cost cutting are slowing.
Now is the time for businesses to expand if they want to cash in on the expected 4th quarter surge in consumer spending. That they are should come as no great surprise.
Jack Welch seemed like a grouchy old man who could not even properly analyze the unemployment numbers. Maybe it's old age, but I am amazed that a man who seemed so clueless could have effectively run one of America's most prominent companies.
First off Ruby Tuesday--its you thats not thinking. First, you have to start with the premise that government money has to come from somewhere either the private sector or its borrowed. If you are taking it out of private hands, when has the government spent money more effectively and productively than the private sector? Like never? Second, if borrowed, you are just borrowing your kids and grandkids future as it will need to be paid off with revenue raised from the private sector basically your kids and grandkids lowering their future standard of living. Next, why do you think spending on defense will be any less productive as a form of government spending to create jobs than spending it on infrastructure, green energy subsidies etc? Its not a crazy notion to think defense spending might actually create more jobs than green enery subsidies. As for spending, its actually much more efficient to move the administrative and decision making on infrastructure, education, welfare, medicaid to the state and local governments because they will spend it more efficiently and productively for the needs of their state. Not sure why that one is so difficult for you to make a big deal. I doubt these were hot button issues that Obama necessarily disagrees with or would focus on as policy issues. But if he did and I dont think either the GOP or democratic thoughts on this would be crazy just different.
Kirk,
Yes, the economy has improved slowly and that's for a variety of reasons -- including the continuing financial crisis in Europe and the fact that investors and big business is still sitting on their cash. And you will this find this analysis from economists on both side of the political fence.
As for the jobs for middle class and poor, I couldn't find any specific stats that looked at unemployment by class -- however, many of the job gains have been in such areas as the service sector and a large portion of those jobs are held by those in the middle class and lower. Suggesting, that many of the job gains are for those in the lower class. Not to mentioning, overall manufacturing is up by a huge margin and is growing faster under Obama than it has in the two decades before him. And again, manufacturing is an area that also affects and employs many who are in the middle class or lower.
One of the biggest reasons welfare and food stamps has remained high is because of the high cost of food -- which has been exacerbated by the recent drought. And I think we can both agree it isn't partisan to suggest that the drought was not under Obama's control. Another issue is healthcare costs -- which, once the ACA goes fully into effect will not only benefit those who can't afford healthcare but are also projected to further decrease healthcare costs over the long run (thus, preferentially helping low income individuals long-term).
As for jobs more broadly, Obama has continually cut taxes for small businesses and is helping to grow small business and small business accounts for 2 out of every 3 new jobs. Despite claims that Obama has harmed small business, there is in fact no data to back this up.
Things are improving, slow that they may be. Furthemore, things Obama has put in place -- including the ACA are projected to have long-term positive effects on the economy and on the poor. In fact, projections suggest that welfare will drop precipitiously over the next four years (based on current policies).
Given all the information out there, Obama has improved things and his policies will continue to do so. Which is why I find it difficult to understand why people would want to vote for a candidate (Romney) who is running on the exact same platform of Bush II -- whose policies we know were fundamentally harmful to the economy and to lower income Americans. But, of course, it's because people wanted a magic fix and because they didn't get it, they're going to blame the current president without doing any research. And they'll vote for the other guy hoping he'll bring the "magic fix."
The VP is as insignificant in this country as the president.Congress runs this country so everybody should vote out the non effective ones in office.Otherwise there will not be any change for the betterment of this country.Most of our politicians are lying thieving windbags that wouldn't recognize a hard days work unless it bit them in the backside.
Siobahn--I appreciate the respectful response and I agree with some of what you point out but not all. First, I think Bush was a horrible president and voted for Kerry. However, his policies neither created nor were necessarily responsible for the housing bubble. Thats like saying Clinton was responsible for the Internet bubble bursting. The housing crisis was a bipartisan problem that took many decades to create and finally hurt us. Bush's big economic mistakes were the tax cuts, war and drunken sailor spending habits. His fiscal discipline was extraordinarily poor. Romney is not proposing the same. Second much of the income inequality problems we ahve and the CBO study provided it comes not from tax policy but from our institutional problems related to the education gap, illegal and legal immigration depressing wages and government assistance to our wealthy seniors. Seniors control over 80% of the wealth in this country and social security and medicare are huge wealth redistributions from the working middle class to our wealthy seniors. Those are just facts. So I disagree that Romney is just continuing as Bush II just a political fallacy and current talking point that has no legs.
Just because I would vote for Romney doesnt mean everything Obama has done is bad so I think there has been some improvement and between him and the federal reserve pumping so much cash into the system, there better be some improvement. But its his failure to incent the private business to feel comfortable investing and expanding and his class warfare rhetoric that divides us and the costs of his government expansion that keep GDP growth from recovering faster. ACA will not drive down costs it will only drive government costs up or health care benefits and quality of care down. Its a huge cost to business and dont forget low income people already had health care, they just now have more expensive health care which has to be picked up by someone which will be all of us via premium increases. That drags down the economy not making it better. Obama has not cut taxes for small business in any meaningful way. His temporary cuts provide no real incentives to invest and you are correct small business accounts for 2 out of 3 new jobs but half of those are making more than 250k so on one hand he thinks he is helping and on the other he is taking back out of the business in taxes. I dont know what projections you have that show welfare dropping over the next 4 eyars but Obama's own budget had increases over each of the next 4 years with no cuts. Obama is just not business friendly which creates the reason businesses are sitting on their cash. When he says things in the debate that he wants to increase taxes on foreign earnings I am sure Apple, Cisco, Coca Cola, GM etc just cringe knowing there goes US jobs
Relative to flag, pledge, and national anthem protocol (Msgs. 1.111 and .112), note that the rules prescribe the hand over the heart during the raising and lowering of the flag (uncovered) and recitation of the pledge and the playing of the national anthem. Military members in uniform are obliged to salute (while covered, if outdoors, or uncovered indoors). Since 2009, military members not in uniform and veterans (even tho' not uniformed) are also permitted to render a salute.
I am aware of nothing authorizing Pres. Obama's "crotch salute", then again, in the words of his wife "all this for a damned flag?"
BTW, I don't consider this a major issue, but it is one more niggling doubt about the CinC which never should have arisen. It bespeaks a certain insensitivity to those who care and a certain contempt for the emblems and anthems and the things they represent.
Just as the RNC purchased Sarah Palin a closet full of designer clothes from campaign contributions, they should purchase Congressman Ryan a closet full of new pants .He will need them as his present stock of pants disappears in flames from spontaneous combustion on the campaign trail.
No mas pantalones!
About a month ago the President of the United States decided he had to get laid. Going to a high-class whorehouse, he found a blonde, a redhead, and a brunette waiting in the douwnstairs lounge.
"I'm the President of the United States," he said to the blonde. "How much will it cost me to spend a little time with you?"
"Three hundred dollars." was her answer.
To the brunette he posed the same question. She replied, "Five hundred dollars."
He made the same proposition to the redhead.
She replied, "Mr. President, if you can raise my skirt as high as my taxes, lower my panties as far as my wages, get your dick as hard as the times, keep it hard for as long as I have to wait in line at the store, keep me warmer than my apartment in the winter, and screw me like you do the public, believe me, Mr. President, it isn't going to cost you a dime!"
source: Jennifer "Feisty NOT Redhead" Psaki . . . LOL!!!
gtouch - we were all right. Biden is one big Democratic lie, repeating Obama's tactic of saying what the other side "said." (No they didn't and trying to convince the American people he's saying the truth.) Pathetic! How about a little truth there Obama/Biden, or is that too much to ask of our so called leaders? The time for lies is over Democratic party.
No doubt in my mind.......Romney/Ryan 2012, the only hope for America.
P.S. THE accurate description of Biden's performance tonight?
SNAKE OIL SALESMAN!
What does it matter what Ryan says? We all know its going to be just one lie after another. There had NEVER been a more dishonest pairing running for President and Vice President of this country.
It's embarrassing that anyone is so unintelligent they would actualy vote for these two who have no concrete plans for anything but have told lie after lie about everything.
Obama/Biden 2012
I cannot wait for the Chair of the House Budget Committee, Mr. Ryan to face the nation and tell us all about the the Repubican dismal record in the House for the last two years.
will he be wearing that hat?
Or will he be wearing the beanie of the Romney team? Selling the Romney flip flops a mile a minute. He sure does talk fast when he tries to show his earnestness
Ryan will mop the floor with Biden. Biden is an habitual liar, and even though liberals say he is just being Joe, the nation will be watching as he stutters in defense of a failed Obama administration. Tonight's debate will be another devastating blow to the Obama campaign, but that is what you get for grabbing a bullet proof vest that has no brain. Obama is almost certain to manufacture a crisis or come up with a scheduling conflict to avoid the remaining debates. Obama has no record to run on, and it is pretty hard to defend failure.
Because Obama's been so honest up to this point........
"Obama is almost certain to manufacture a crisis or come up with a scheduling conflict to avoid the remaining debates"
Okay, we get that you don't like the President. But that's still one of the most inane comments I've read on here in a long time. And that's saying something!
Obama lies, Biden lies, they all lie. Only morons believe their candidate is truthful. You can tell by their stupid posts here.
Laker Steve - yes President Obama has been honest compared to Romney who can't keep his story straight from one hour to the next. Get a clue - the Republican party has become nothing but a joke and a bad joke at that.
kenva - look in the mirror - you'll see stupid!
Obama/Biden 2012
LMFAO i see you've taken up comedy
youre a small minded individual Seeking. A spoiled child like brat.
Hey Northstar - you think Joe will be able to offer an answer as to why the Senate has failed to pass a budget?
WIll Jow support O's budget these last few years? You remember them - they got exactly zero votes every time?
Sanity - why it's almost like you can't remember back to last week - when O was telling us that Amb. Stevens was murdered cause of a video.
Totally not a lie, right? You did see old Piers Morgan crush DWS last night on this - 'un-american' and all to lie.
Sanity,
Keep seeking, you are such a hypocrite. No one is paying attention to your pointless whining. Get a life...
PEACE(\/) I am out b!tches
SeekingSanity
So it will be a repeat of four years ago when Allah Obama made his endless promises. I believed in him and voted for him once, but I'll be damned if I get fooled again.... Romney/Ryan 2012
I see Seeking Sanity is back to equating intelligence with voting for certain political parties while she herself and never shown a single bit of cognitive ability to defend or even provide a cogent argument on any substantive issue. I just dont understand why you think the campaign tactic of calling someone a liar works? Why SS do you think calling everyone who posts here stupid or unintelligent if they disagree with you as a sound campaign strategy. Instead of sounding incredibily hypocritical, flying in the face of historical success and coming across with a level of desperation (just read David Walker's and Anna Molly's post since the Romney surge and its amazing the level of desperation the comes through their posts), I dont understand why you dont spend your campaign time on here trumping Obama's record and success. Talk about his plans for the future and why his economic plans will work this 4 years after not working the last 4 years. Provide some intelligent posts that can be debated and discussed. Works alot better than personal attacks and rotating your campaign talking points.
thank you Kirk, you said to seeking what I want to. I would take the more direct approach with hey seeking go blank yourself but if i do that, im on her level. and she certainly will beat me with experience. so thanks on that account. David Walker is another piece of work but that guy i think enjoys his own pontificating. He also said he hands me my 'ass'. im not sure by what measure these guys/gals have as a gauge but they are legends in their own minds.
Rick-3416939
Ryan will mop the floor with Biden.
Obama is almost certain to manufacture a crisis or come up with a scheduling conflict to avoid the remaining debates. Obama has no record to run on, and it is pretty hard to defend failure
Oh My GAWD Rick,
Where have you been; hiding under your bed? It's the Jive Republicans manufacturing crisis. Does Benghazi ring a bell?
In case you didn't know the President Obama does have a record to run on.
This is a president who passed a health-care reform breakthrough 100 years in the making.
He also imposed the most sweeping Wall Street reforms since the Great Depression.
Obama also rescued the economy from collapse, rescued the American auto industry,
Ended the war in Iraq
Decimated al Qaeda
Killed bin Laden
Reformed the student loan system
Ended "Don't Ask, Don't Tell,
Vastly improved fuel efficiency standards
Helped topple the Gaddafi regime
Negotiated the New START treaty
Improved food safety protections
Cracked down on credit card company abuses
Expanded stem-cell research
Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.
Republicans disapprove of these measures, as is their right. But to say the president "has no record to run on" is kind of silly, even by Paul Ryan standards.
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/09/04/13656929-a-record-to-run-on?lite
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MINI MITT (Lyin Ryan) has nothing to tout but LURE sid failures in Congress
4 more 4 44
Obama/Biden 2012
What? You are not counting Obama/Biden 2008? Or a host of others both Rep and Dem?
Bevery,
The Reps manufactured the crisis in Benghazi? Proof?
Obama, with the help of a Dem controlled House and Senate, passed a healthcare law that 2/3 of the populace does not want. Rescued the economy? When? Where? and impossible to prove. Rescued the UAW, not the auto industry which would have survived through real bankruptcy without the unions anyway. SEAL Team 6 kill bin Laden, Obama got to watch. The Lily Ledbetter law is unenforcable. Gitmo is still open, the deficit is bigger not "cut in half", he still signs bill with earmarks/pork, his administration is still more secretive not "transparent".
Seeking Sanity - Damn you were exactly right when you said all we would hear is one lie after another and that the most dishonest pair running for President and Vice President! Obama and Biden are the most dishonest pair I have ever seen run for office. You know when they lie because their lips are moving. The best thing that could happen to America is for them both to go home.
Romney - Ryan 2012
So failed policies and waste are good.
Policies that will work and create jobs and reduce the debt are lies.
Foreign policy that causes death and deceit are good. Blaming a you tube video and not calling it a terror attack is good.
Foreign policy that will not make us the lap dog of every nation is bad and calling the terror groups that want to kill us just what they are is also a bad thing.
I am just trying to understand the demented thought pattern of the Obama backers on this post so I can better understand what the heck they are talking about. Basically down is up with these people.
Kirk, do you ever wonder if people like SS would be so vicious if they had to put their real name down?
spanky,
Budget talk will indeed be a hoot.
Ryan has so many to pick from and maybe he will give us the details that he said recently that he and Romney have not really crunched. He will keep it vague.
Biden on the other hand will point to the obstuctionists in the Senate, pivot to the sequestration deal that Ryan voted for and Romney does not want to talk about.
When you have a 14 year Congressman who has a leadership position on stage, every citizen will have images of the total dysfunction in the whole Congress.
Ryan is the poster child...
Cheers!
Okie - nice try but every fact checking group has talked about the lies Romney told during the debate. His "tax" plan alone should make everyone who ever thought about voting for him take a 2nd look.
The Tax Policy Center said his program would create a 4.8 trllion deficit - slightly less than President Obama said. So, the fact that you have no problem with his lies says everything about you. Either you aren't paying attention or you don't care.
Obama/Biden 2012
Seeking, Is that all you have? "Liar, Liar"?
I suppose you are one of the few that still believes that Obama won the first debate.......How about Benghazi Terrorist attack? Who's the liar there?
4 Americans died.......the president lied...........
TO: NorthstarDFL who wrote:
He's just gonna "lie and deny" just like Romney.
These Republicans know that the American People don't want what Republicans are trying to shovel, and Republicans are ONLY saying what people want to hear.
The truth is, Republicans have constantly lied during this campaign, and the only thing we can be sure of is that Republicans do want another (unfunded) war.
Obama/Biden 2012
When Biden was asked for his thoughts on the Constitution he answered..........."Best car I ever owned was a Chevy Constitution".
Ryan wins by T.K.O.
David Walker - I see you and I are the topic of CA and apparently Kirk (thank god I put him on ignore a long time ago). I find it so interesting that CA who is often crass and crude has anything to say about anyone but of course when he can't keep up - he attacks.
And, we all know Kirk only posts his ramblings then changes his mind when you show him up - as I'm sure you've done on several occasions. However, it's good to be in the same company with you!
Wake Up Now - I have to laugh that you call anyone out - considering your posts never have any content - just nastiness!
Obama/Biden 2012
kirk.....that is all any of the Progressive-Marixist know!! Having been schooled by the Chicago MOBpolitical machine of twist, lie, cheat and steal...some call it community organizing. .. Great post by the way!!!!
Seeking a three toed sloth could keep up with you, legend in your own mind.
Seeking there are many people just on this post alone calling you out.
but crass and crude. HA man i think the one that needs to check out mirrors is you. enjoy your ivory tower.
Uh oh, after reading comments #2.3, 2.7,2.8,2.9,2.10,2.11, and 2.12 ..... it looks like someone just got "biatch-slapped" ! LOL !! But don't ever let the truth get in the way with your radical thinking !
As of right now, the really BIG LIES are coming out about the Obama administration telling some whoppers (and repeating them) as part of the ongoing coverup attempt to hide what really happened in Benghazi !!
Bayllie--
"what is a forcible rape? Why would anyone in their mind even say that out loud? I just don't get how supposedly intelligent, educated person can even question rape. Is a woman ever raped 'just a little'? or 'gently'?"
1st, forcible rape is distinct in law from statutory rape, where with forcible rape consent is withheld, while in statutory rape the female is underage, hence by statute unable to give consent. Learn what the hell you're talking about.
...and 2d, yes, women have been raped 'just a little' or 'gently'. The modern concept that rape is a crime of violence is a legal fantasy. Rape occupies an entire spectrum of bahavior with extreme violence at one end, & at the other end we find women who actually go back to bed voluntarily with their rapists. As a career probation officer, I've seen this in maybe as many as 5% of cases. You may find it incomprehensible, but feminist denials don't make it untrue.
jim - you really need to understand - if people like you, CA, Kirk, or those of the same ilk liked me - I'd know I had sunk into the gutter with you. No thank you. If you call the childish remarks a "b*tch slap" it shows how little game, intelligence and integrity you have. But you're in the right group for no independent thought and clearly no logic. Have fun!
Obama/Biden 2012
I cant understand why seeking keeps coming on here. She/he wants so much to get the approval of the other libs that post and they too ignore her/him. Write something sometime that does not try to make yourself acceptable to the "gang" and that truely may have some merit and everyone may not be so tough on you!
Beverlyin Chicago, Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL and PatBoston MA must be paid political operatives of the Obama reelection campaign. There is simply no other way to rationalize their posts.
Only a fool of the greatest magnitude could ever consider voting for a man who steadfastly refuses to even place his hand over his heart during the playing of America's National Anthem!!! Any man who views this country with the level of resentment and disdain Obama has demonstrated by these actions is clearly unfit to serve in this hallowed role as President of the United States!!!
Beyond the posts of these paid political operatives, any more myopic minded single issue constituency's that blindly support Obama without carefully examining his background and true agenda are in fact FOOLS OF THE GREATEST MAGNITUDE!
Romney/Ryan 2012
Kirk - Perhaps you believe I have a skewed view of things, but the economy is recovering. If you are disappointed with the slow rate of recovery, the policies you claim that are not working are the quasi republican policies of low taxes and slashing spending. Those are the only things that Obama has been able to get through Congress. I know, I know he couldn't get his ideas through a stone walled Congress so he is a failed President and not a leader. Call me an apologist, but he has tried to compromise but even the most level headed would stop ramming their head into a stone wall.
So far Obama's plans for the next four years as far as I can tell is to piecemeal or completely pass the American Jobs Act. This would include tax cut incentives for hiring veterans, incentives for companies expensing new equipment, adding more payroll tax cuts, increasing infrastructure projects highways, roads, bridges and electric grids, providing funding to hire more teachers and police.
Other than the increasing funding to hire teachers/police and building infrastructure and improving the electric grid what I see is a GOP/centrist push of tax cuts. It might not overjoy me but I would think that is something that fair minded folk could agree on.
I completely disagree with his cutting payroll taxes more, because this would adversely affect benefits and entitlements. I disagree with his adoption of the meme that GOP tax cuts will save us. I disagree with the extension of the budget busting Bush tax cuts.
All that being said, I fear Romney's plan more. His solution is to provide $5 trillion of tax cuts, increase military spending by $2 trillion and keep the Bush tax cuts. I am not a numbers guy or a supposed wonk wonder kid like Ryan, but even Mr. Ryan can't explain how to make their cuts deficit nuetral. The R and R boys plan to privatize social security and give seniors an ill named premium support (voucher plan). They believe that government can be and should be cut to the bone to address the deficit, in lieu of doing a balanced approach. It should be all about balance, in that regard Obama at least has the right idea.
Put the differences on the economy aside, this country is more than just dollars and cents. What happens to those people who through attrition or slashing cuts loose their jobs? Won't their unemployment status affect Unemp. worse. I don't understand the logic in firing tens of thousands to improve the job numbers.
This is turning into a book, so I will not weigh and balance Romney's militaristic, jingoistic world view with Obama's not infallible but better world view. Simply put, I fear more conflicts in a short fused, Romney adminstration.
End of chapter 1
The Church of Obama followers are loose on the internet and as radical and fanatical as ever. To them, he is not a politician. To them, he is a god to be worshipped and these followers, SS, might even be willing to kill in his name if he ever called on them to do so. Be very careful.
dogs80 - you're simply delusional and it shows with every post. But, it's not unexpected, after all, you're a Republican!
graehame - your post shows a total lack of understand of rape - as does the Ryan philosophy. You seem to want to make it a "lesser' crime than it is.
Obama/Biden 2012
Seeking Sanity--
"...your post shows a total lack of understand of rape... You seem to want to make it a 'lesser' crime than it is."
Is that what passes for reasoned discourse on whatever planet you come from? I said absolutely nothing that would lead a reasonable individual to conclude that I want to make rape 'a lesser crime'. I merely distinguished between the legal definitions of forcible as opposed to statutory rape, & I pointed out that all rapes aren't identical-- there's an entire spectrum of violence involved. As with any crime, the sentence should take into account all the variables.
On the contrary, it's your knee-jerk, one-size-fits-all reaction that betrays 'a total lack of understanding of rape'.
...and BTW, the word you're looking for is 'understanding', not 'understand'. Learn to spell. It also might not be a bad idea for you to take a minute to actually read whatever illiterate drivel you've written before inflicting it on the rest of us.
Oh, Seeking Sanity sure can dish it out .... but then pretends to take the high road and convince everyone how intelligent she is ... a legend in her own mind !
She told Average American "... you're a total piece of garbage" in #1.18
She told kenva " kenva-look in the mirror-you'll see stupid !" in #2.6
She told Wake Up Now ".. considering your posts never have any content-just nastiness" in 2.24, while she also attacked Kirk and CA. LOL !
In another story, she told MOMINNJ ".. you look as idiotic as your post !"
She earlier told billybob "..billybob posts like the idiot he surely is !"
HYPOCRISY ON DISPLAY from Seeking Sanity ! Now I wonder how long it will take her to "play victim" after all her verbal assaults on others ????????
Beverly in Chicago: My commments follow and correct your misguided opinions
This is a president who passed a health-care reform breakthrough 100 years in the making. - MAJORITY doesn't want it, and it will bankrupt this nation
He also imposed the most sweeping Wall Street reforms since the Great Depression. - Clinton Started the downward spiral by insisiting banks give mortgages that couldn't be repaid. Obama's over-reaching "reforms" have prevented economic growth.
Obama also rescued the economy from collapse, rescued the American auto industry, - Chevy Volt is a disgrace and the bailout has not seen a positive return on the investment and never will
Ended the war in Iraq - without an appropriate exit strategy, al Qaeda is taking over
Decimated al Qaeda - Nope, just a liberal lie...check Libya
Killed bin Laden - Nope, the SEALs got him based on GEORGE W. BUSH'S policies. How convenient of you to forget that Obama just allowed Bush's policies to continue...guess getting bin Laden is just "Bush's fault."
Reformed the student loan system - more debts that will go unpaid
Ended "Don't Ask, Don't Tell, - Glad I left before that debacle. Worst decision in the military, ever (unless you have lived in the military, you wouldn't understand)
Vastly improved fuel efficiency standards - Chevy Volt is a nightmare!
Helped topple the Gaddafi regime - And created a mess in Libya. I'm not saying that Gadaffi should have stayed in power, but, again, no clear strategy for the region resulted in increased chaos
Negotiated the New START treaty - A huge mistake to give away our security. Remember Obama's "open mike" comment to Putin? Too scary to imagine what he might have done if elected to a second term
Improved food safety protections - Really? I still see too many recalls.
Cracked down on credit card company abuses - I'm not seeing any results
Expanded stem-cell research - No place for the governement to be interfering and spending my money - independent research should handle this
Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. - All hype and not necessary - just enforce existing laws.
Boy seeking you really put me in my place! Another brilliant comment from the person who so much wants to be loved.
Keep posting and maybe your heroes will notice!
Seeking is a petulant child and no different from the vandal-like barbaric far left libby posters. We have two classes on FR of libs. We have the uncouth Feisty, NDD, Seeking type. Spewing crud and verbally assaulting anyone with a differing opinion. Then we have the Holier than thou, looking down their nose Ivory tower, 'Sigma' Cum Laude libs. Then we have democrats that will discuss and have a reasoned rational debate/discussion.
graehame - you're absolutely right - should have been0 "understanding". Your post just seemed to lessen the impact of rape. If you meant it differently, I didn't see that. Too many people on the far right are making rape less than what it is to a woman who has to go through it.
Obama/Biden
Hey sanity,
Let's just take a little look at some of your idols lies:
"The people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much."-LIE
"My mother was denied health insurance coverage as she was dying of cancer."LIE "I will have the most transparent administration in history." LIE
"I will cut the deficit in half by the end of my first term or I will not run again." LIE
"Obamacare is not a tax." LIE
"Oil production is the highest it's been in eight years because of me." LIE
"I didn't turn down the Keystone Pipeline, Republicans did." LIE
"Solyndra was not necessarily our program per se." LIE
"Since I have been your President federal spending has risen at the slowest pace in 60 years." LIE
"Fast and Furious was begun under a previous administration." LIE
"The Libya attack was a spontaneous event spurred on by a hate filled video."LIE
The truth will always prevail in the end.
dogs80 and CA - I see the little boys are ganging up now. Wow! Does it make you feel better? Poor little excuses for men but exactly what we've come to expect.
Obama/Biden 2012
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012
poor defenseless woman that is hostile to anyone that doesnt agree with her deified idol. Spare us sanctimonius lib. Maybe you can go fetch your Don Quixote Mickey NY. You also have a track record that everyone can see, so this poor me victim crap dont fly.
Is it just me, that thinks Mitt Romney has a Psychopathic Personalty Disorder? God help us if he gets into office and he goes even crazier than he currently is. 1 hand on the Prozac bottle and the other on the red button
Obama/Biden 2012 We need Sanity in the WhiteHouse not a Psychopath
I think he fits the majority of these points below
The following characteristics of a psychopath, defined by Hervery M. Cleckley in 1941 in the book Mask of Sanityinclude:
also
Because of their inability to gauge when their actions are being perceived as dishonest, deceitful or dangerous, they also fail to accept that there are consequences for their actions. They always maintain a belief that they can outwit those who pursue them and that they will never be caught. Once caught, they believe they will find a way back out.
I think there is a lot to say about Mitts Mental Health Issues even his wife Queen Annie said she is worried about his Mental Well Being
Not really a fan of either Mittens or OBummer but these guidelines IndySD dug up almost look like Biden's Biography....
Seeking Sanity--can you point me to a single post in which you schooled me or even better provided a single cogent critically thought out reply to a campaign issue? Just one. Instead can you provide me the posts in which you just pasted in one of your typical personal attacks calling someone stupid etc? Provide me even one David Walker post in which he schooled me? He always gets so angry and agitated when I point out his factual inaccuracies and hyperbole that he generally goes off on some topic that I didnt even bring up to deflect that he got caught with his hands in his pants. I understand Seeking that you are a campaign volunteer but your tactics just make you seem less credible. Try being intellectually honest just for once and try to be more articulate in substantive debate.
Jim, CA--I dont even get what tactic they are using now from the campaign handbook.
SeekingSanity
Clear Voice 2 - It is tradition to put your hand over your heart during the pledge of allegience - not necessary during the playing of the National Anthem - nor is it the norm. For the national anthem you are to stand at attention with your arms at your side. You really should learn protocol before you post.
Your idea of what makes a good American and what makes a fool probably needs work. Otherwise - you just look ignorant and backward.
Obama/Biden 2012
Not only are you not a Christian as you have claimed, your outright ignorance and distortion of the truth is appalling and unamerican! You can't even spell allegiance! Talk about ignorant! WOW
The US flag code states “during a rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed ALL present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart"!
Liberals always attempt to distort the truth to their own advantage! Your appalling lack of knowledge tends to give credence to the assertion that thirsty American liberals placed in a desert would drink the sand, not because they were dying of thirst, but because they simply don’t know the difference!
Romney/Ryan 2012
Obama would never be reelected if this country enforced a mandatory voter competency test!
Yellowdog--I am certainly not defending congress nor claiming that Romney will be a panacea for the economy. I dont think the type of stimulus and tax cuts that Obama used are the type that will grow GDP like both Reagan and Clinton did. Both used targeted tax cuts that provided incentives to invest and grow your small business like accelerated depreciation, investment tax credits, R&D and lower capital gains to invest rates. In addition, some of the incentives are environmentally and policy based. Obama and his cabinet and minions do everything they can to make it tougher for business whether it be IRS reporting, EPA, HCA, SEC regs and quite frankly the talking tough that him and his staff do all the time. Not that some of these might be useful but there is no cost/benefit analysis associated with these plans and when CEOs see their brethren be put out of business or rules make it tougher to expand, they hibernate. He has made it very tough for the real estate business because he wants to prop up values by letting banks hold on to underwater assets longer than they should. That isnt good long term for the real estate business but he hopes that inflation will eventually return in the next 4 years which will then repair the damage he has done to real estate and debt situation. Its never been tried so not sure if it will work.
The putting teachers, police etc to work is just politics as that is more of a state and local issue and it should stay that way and he should focus more on infrastructure.
As for Romney's tax proposal, you havent really fallen for the Obama campaign lies that it is a $5 trillion tax cut have you? Even the economist that Obama used to back that up with said Obama has used that number out of context. First, I believe him at his word that he really wants to reform the tax code to reduce rates and make it more fair for all. I think we can all agree that would be a very laudable goal. Second, I dont believe for a second that congress is going to reduce tax rates without a corresponding offset in deductions because even the Teaparty is against that. I truly believe that Romney expects any tax policy to be revenue neutral at worst and revenue gaining if it works and GDP grows. Its like Illinois, the governor raised tax rates 66% and GDP grew last year almost 2% for individuals. I am sure they calculated that to mean there would be an almost 80% increase in revenues. Guess what they were flat. People change behavior, move or defer income. The opposite has always occurred when rates were lowered in a manner like Romney is proposing where rates lowered with offsetting reduction in deductions. Are you against privatization of Social Security. The more I read reactions from progressives, I dont understand why they would be against that. Seems to me private accounts invested in Treasury Bills (exactly what is done on an aggregate scale today) would be a good thing. I would think progressives would love that. As for cutting spending, I just disagree with you there. No matter which party's president has been in office, they have never been able to make any dent in cutting government no matter what they say. They cant even cut the rate of growth. I am not sure why going back to 2008 spending levels is draconian at all. When you say that slashing government budgets and the accompanying unemployment just makes things worse, you ignore that the money spent comes from somewhere. At the state level, where most of the government jobs have been lost, you would need to raises taxes taking money out of private hands to keep paying for government jobs that arent needed or necessary or cant afford. The government never spends money more efficiently than the private sector, so you are hurting the economy more from the raised taxes than the jobs saved. At the federal level, you are just borrowing more from your kids and grandkids future ensuring a lower standard of living for the future. There is no way to escape that future with our debt levels. Borrowing more just makes it worse.
Wow ! That didn't take long. After my post at #2.36, Seeking Sanity goes for the "poor me, they are ganging up on me and I am a victim ....boo hoo" in #2.42 !!!
She can dish it out, but she can't take it.
Oh, and Sanity .... just for the record, you have never been up to a debate with Kirk. That day you tried to battle him long ago ... he OWNED you !!!!! He made you look like a chump. But I will give you credit, you have a much bigger vocabulary of nasty words and attempted put-downs than he has ever shown ! Your parents would be soooooo proud !! LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What kind of tax savings are going to be made once Romney transfers programs from the Federal budget to the States budgets? How is this going to create more jobs and improve the economy? Why doesn't anyone see through this slide of hand? On top of that he plans on increasing defense spending.......excuse me? Say what? Doesn't anyone think about how this is going to effect some states?
Jim--I see she hasnt come back. Its the hit and run strategy I guess. What I dont get is she is an admitted Obama campaign member volunteer here in Chicago. Clearly her mission is to get out the message in some way and find Obama voters or create some. So lets pretend that there really maybe an undecided voter that visits this blog or someone that could be convinced to change their vote (I dont really believe there are so not sure why she posts here anyway if she doesnt have the ability to actually post substance). Does she really believe (and her merry band of nasty attackers) really believe that the poster who was just called unintelligent or low information voter or whatever her paste in name would be is going to say "Wow your right Seeking Sanity, now that you called me an idiot, I will vote for Obama." Or the undecided voter who reads the various posts, is going to decide on Obama because she personally attacked a Romney supporter and called them stupid? My guess is that they wouldnt vote for Romney based on any name calling from the Romney supporters either so not sure why she even wastes her time.
Cesar
You seem like you are having a bad day.
While I'd like to wish you a better day tomorrow, all I can sincerely say to you is "Biden's going to call Ryan/Romney out" and "I'm going to enjoy it".
Shaak--call them out for what? Since you are predisposed to believe anything Obama/Biden says are truths and anything Romney/Ryan says are liars but half the country feels the exact opposite. A few people like me who vote both ways and think both Reagan and Clinton were great presidents and voted for Kerry over Bush, have made up our minds but we are more objective and see both candidates for their blemishes. There is no lie that Biden can disspell that Ryan cant counter with. There is no record of failure that Ryan will throw out that Biden wont counter with an example of success and both answers will play to the voters who have already made up their minds. Its the command of the facts and issues, demeanor and overall presence that generally makes someone a slight winner or loser. The reason that Obama lost so badly was he didnt have a command of the facts and issues that Romney had and he kept repeating platform comments rather than try and win man to man. I suspect Obama will be far more prepared for future debates and that wont happen again. But I suspect tonight will be all about nothing a draw as neither candidate will slip up and perform poorly. Ryan will come across as smart, intelligent and in command with great presence but Biden does a great job of being the elder stateman and does a great job of connecting with the listener. So any shortcomings in terms of his actual command of issues, cognitive ability will be offset by his experience, presence and connection with people. I just dont see Biden calling anything out and you guys really need to give up on the liar tactic as it just doesnt play--never has.
You don't need the Tax Policy Center's report. The math is extremely simple.
Go here. The Federal government's projected revenue from income tax in 2013 is $2.1T. What Romney/Ryan are proposing is a 20% across the board reduction in income tax revenue. Simple math: $2.1T X 0.2 = $420B for 2013. Over 10 years that's $4.2T!! Just using 2013 numbers. The $4.8T from the Tax Policy Center's report assumes that the economy will keep growing the way it has been.
Now how in the hell do Romney/Ryan justify saying it won't be $4.2T?
Mitt Romney, Meet the Press, 9/9/2012:
... the good news is that five different economic studies, including one at Harvard and Princeton and AEI and a couple at The Wall Street Journal all show that if we bring down our top rates and actually go across the board, bring down rates for everyone in America, but also limit deductions and exemptions for people at the high end, while you can keep the progressivity in the code, you could remain revenue neutral and you create an enormous incentive for growth in the economy.
From the Huffington Post, 9/14/2012:
A closer examination, however, calls into question the fact that there are even five studies at all. Last week, the Romney campaign passed along the five documents that the candidate had referenced on NBC's Meet the Press. Three of the five are blog posts or op-eds (as opposed to academic literature), and two of those three are written by the same author: Harvard economist Martin Feldstein.
Of the remaining two studies, one is the tax reform white paper authored by Romney-backing economists and paid for by Romney for President, Inc. (in an email to PolitiFact, the Romney campaign highlighted several Wall Street Journal editorials in place of the campaign white paper as the "fifth" study). The final study, produced by Princeton University's Harvey Rosen, backs the Romney campaign's assertions by arguing that people will work more, accumulate more income, pay more taxes, and seek out fewer loopholes if their tax rates are lowered.
Well, here we go again. This is the same "voodoo economics" (a phrase coined by none other than George H.W. Bush!) that George W. Bush put forward in defense of his tax cuts in 2001 and 2003. We've already seen the results of that: $6.2T in increased national debt and an economy in shambles.
As I will be watching the Tigers vs the A's in a contest that actually matters for something,
I will be counting on the truth-tellers on the right and left who post here for an objective analysis of this "all important" event...(Why is there no emoticon for sarcasm?)
As will I DF. Verlander is going to need to go 9 innings for my Tigers to have a chance.
Our Bull Pen sucks.
Hoping that the A's aren't a team of "Destiny".
DF...
I usually set the sarcasm flag. Example:
SARCASM FLAG = ON
I personally believe that all politicians are completely honest and that all First Read posters are unbiased.
SARCASM FLAG = OFF.
And ftr...I miss the old "Dangerfield" picture!
Go Tigers. definitely be passing up debate for this must see playoff
WCA
I agree, Verlander must come up big yet again, as even Papa Grande has been less than "grande" as of late. It has been an exciting series, and it's only fitting that it comes down to the last game of the series. My buddy the Yankee fan, has the same "team of destiny" concerns as you do for his team. I have the feeling that the baseball Gods have chosen either the A's or the O's as that team. We will know more about that after tonight, and we won't need some third party to tell us who won either.
Good luck!
Frank,
I was told that my old avatar was dead, long live the new avatar!
"We're all behind our baseball team--go get 'em, Tigers!" My kids are having a Debate Watch party in Hamtramck that I think will quickly become a Tigers/As watch party.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012
I'm surprised amidst all these troll posts that Prez Obama's teleprompter, the birther issue or his $35Million Hawaii retreat hasn't come up, or the $716B he took from Medicare. All debunked. Google.
Maybe rules of debating changed since I graduated from NYU quite a while ago, but isn't a debate where opposing parties present FACTUAL data? The key word, FACTUAL. It was found 29 out of 37 statements made by Romney proved to be false. It wasn't a debate - it was theatrics with an empty suit s/o a chair.
Heard a cute one: There's two things I can't stand about Romney: His face.
Thanks Yellow Dog for Chapter 1. BTW, FYI, I think we'll be getting that option in Obamacare.
We're hoping the Grand Ol' Republican Party rethink their base. Since the advent of the TeaParty they've been mired in mud. Miss having 'em around.
OBAMA-BIDEN 2012 and a Strong Democratic Congress
Read your ballots carefully. Got word that some of the repub/tparty governed states have messed around and changed a few things; some added pages upon pages, others not posted exactly, etc. No states were mentioned. Be careful.
Dangerfield: I plan on doing a split screen, watching the game in the little box, while the debate takes up the majority of the screen.
I wonder if we'll see Ryan get upset about a question asked and walk off the stage.
I'll have the popcorn ready, this one I think will be fun.
I look for Joe Biden to call Ryan out with facts and truth which is lacking via the GNOP.
if joe sticks to that promise then it will be a rather one-sided event allowing ryan to make just as good a case as romney did last week.
however if joe opens his mouth and says something then we can chalk up another lie for the administration
I've already voted. Went to City Hall this week and checked off the box for Obama/Biden.
I can't imagine this debate will make any difference in how people vote, especially since Romney announced the other day he would defund Planned Parenthood. Biden could come down with the giggles in the first ten minutes, Ryan will lie his cute butt off, and women will still support the President's re-election. Romney is seriously extremist and out of touch with how normal women live.
I sure hope Amy never has an Ambassador for a relative. We know what Obama feels about them. Let em die!!!
I can't imagine this debate will make any difference in how people vote, especially since Romney announced the other day he would defund Planned Parenthood.
Amy, just waht percentage of the electorate do you think will actually base their vote on the funding or defunding of Planned Parenthood?
You Libs and your priorities aleways amaze me.
kenva - the GOP voted against increased funding for Embassy security. Just like Romney and Ryan you're nothing but a liar. And your post shows what a totally disgusting person you are. You're PERFECT for the Republican Party.
Obama/Biden 2012
Amy, a typical Obama voter. Don't care about facts or reality, but only the government handouts they may receive.
amy -- sorry to hear that you have already voted. i guess that means that nothing obama could do would change your mind, that is interesting.
cute butt!! what a revealing statement.
extremist -- hardly.
women have now seen that romney is real and not the character that obama has portrayed:
The PEW survey detected a potential landmine for Obama: Women broke evenly for Obama and Romney, 47 percent each. The drop for Obama was steep; in September, Obama led Romney among likely women voters 56 percent to 38 percent.
Romney is also gaining in favorability ratings, PEW found, with Obama’s advantage eroding. In September, Romney’s favorable was 42 percent to Obama’s 60 percent. In the October survey, Romney’s jumped to 51 percent favorable while Obama dropped to 51 percent.
THen again WCA Amy was sure that O would crush Mitt.
Amy dear, as you can see, debates matter.
Now that you have voted, do you let the hot coals cool down?
And when O loses, what then? Coals get extinguished, or do you pine on anyway?
Hey maybe O will invite you to that $30 million mansion he's buying in Hawaii?
Realist, a typical Republican voter. A pres. candidate who has been campaigining fo 8 years, a VP candidate with a 14 year record in the congress, 28 days to election, 24-7 coverage of ALL of this yet you STILL don't have the "facts". Did it take you 32 years to graduate HS? LOL
billybob - yes Romney is real and really scary. He lies; doesn't care about anyone but himself; continues to lie day after day and can't remember his stance on anything from one event to the next. Yes we see Romney for what he is - a pathological liar. Don't worry - the polls will be going back in Obama's favor.
Obama/Biden 212
The type of people who change their mind over who they will vote for, at this point, are the type of people who can't remember where their polling place is, or they just get too busy on election day, or they decide the line is too long, and they give up. I'm not concerned with any movement in the polls, at this point.
I saw Romney speak at a rally last year in Portland. The guy is unlikeable, self-involved and inclined to be irrational. I've watched Obama for four years: He's calm, smart, trustworthy and inspiring. I'll stick with President Obama.
billyboy . . .
As stated by SS above, we have seen that he is real .... and really scary! He and his Queen are totally against Planned Parenthood (an organization that assists with breast cancer screenings for many low income women) and wants to repeal the ACA (where screenings are now covered by insurance companies). Yet, Little Miss Ann states that she will be the champion for breast cancer awareness given that she is a survivor. What a CROCK!
Women outside of your trailer actually have brains, think for themselves, and can totally see what Mittens & Co. think of us.
Obama/Biden 2012
Been reading this morning and it just amazes me how those from the right can be blind about Romney.
If he is elected, it is gauranteed that your middle income taxes will increase. Yeah he may drop your rate a point or two but by the time your pre-tax deductions, and we all have them, are gone, your home mortgage interest deduction is gone and the amount of income needed to claim any remaining deductions is raised, your taxes will increase.
And I've been paying attention to what both candidates have said from the Republican primary till now. There is noone that can say Romney has been consistent on any issue. Not without becoming the mythomaniac that Romney is.
Layton - careful, now the little righties will come after you! Thanks for the support!
Obama/Biden 2012
Amy,
Glad you voted today.
30 states have early voting today.
I will wait till election day and walk across a parking lot to my pollling place. I always bring some new residents from my condo building. Lots of 30's somethings. We still have same day registration in MN.
Layton, yes, Planned parenthood does breast cancer screenings, but its main function is to perform abortions. If the democrats love that organization so much let them fund it. Don't you democrats understand that we have to get serious about the country's debt?
Same as Sesame street. The guy in the big Bird suit earns over $300K. The Sesame street foundation is flush with cash....yet democrats still think we should borrow money from china to fund outrageuos salaries at PBS. How about competing in the market? $444 Million/yr. in welfare......
BTW, Biden will win the debate as surely as an Obama budget gets passed......
It amazes me how everyone can call the other candidate an extremist based on pure hate and not look at their records and call it what it is.
Ultra-libs and Ultra-con, spouting party line BS and pure hate speak or idiotic cute butt statements just make you appear as stupid and unthinking.
lay -- ss went on ignore long ago as he/she/it never had anything of substance to contribute and was just generally insulting and vile.
your rant is predictable however polling does indicated that the huge lead barry once had has disappeared.
i trust that women do think for themselves.
Toxic ... Calling TOTAL BS on that one ... do you ever read? or just listen to FOX talking points?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/08/jon-kyl/jon-kyl-says-abortion-services-are-well-over-90-pe/
Obama/Biden 2012
Layton, Remember, I have Faith.....but not faith that democrats would be honest in reporting numbers......they're certianly not honest enough to tell the American public about the terrorist attack on 09/11/12...
From the article you sited...
Toxic - your post is a complete lie. The main focus of Planned Parenthood IS NOT to perform abortions. Less than 5% of the budget is spent on abortions. The main purpose of Planned Parenthood is health care and education for women and girls. Your ignorance of the group is overwhelming and your eagerness to show it matches your ignorance.
Obama/Biden 2012
And once again, "seekinganyliberalsapproval" fails to fully follow the thread, which is really no surprise. The quote from "seeking", " the GOP voted against increased funding for Embassy security. Just like Romney and Ryan you're nothing but a liar." Look at the vote count "reeking", MORE democrats voted against increased funding than did the Republicans, 149-147. But then again, I know you silly liberals hate to be bothered by them pesky, little things called FACTS!! And "amy", way to throw away your vote! I guess you just couldn't wait for the end of the freefall that is the "obama/biden" ticket! How wonderful. But then again, polls mean absolutely nothing unless they lean very far to the left. Have a great, and delusional day you silly liberals!
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012
If Romney get's elected, companies will start hiring. They are profitable, the Dow has recovered. They won't hire right now predominantly because of Obamacare.
If it's another 4 years of Obama/Biden, a full time job will be non existent. This is because Companies WILL HAVE to provide insurance to those working 30 hours a week or more. Corporate restaurant chains are already planning this and it will spread. There will be even more layoffs as well because you have to get rid of the people then restructure their jobs.
There will be 20 additional taxes by 2014 to help pay for it and Medicare will cease to exist as we know it. These tax increases will be passed on to consumers driving up the costs.
Oh, also insurance has gone up on average 25% since Obamacare was passed.
Regardless, both parties spend like drunken sailors (quoted from Clint Eastwood) and the only way to get the national debt under control is stop spending and cut programs.
Here is a basic understanding for Democrats and Romney's Tax Plan. He cuts all rates by 20%, closes/caps off loopholes and deductions, so people pay less in taxes and get even less back. As and single tax payer I am all for this, because I don't get s*** back at the end of the year. I would also be all for killing the EITC. People shouldn't get back more than they pay in.
As for my views, I'm Libertarian. I save money , don't spend it foolishly, and people should be able to live the life they want, because it's none of my f***ing business what they do in the privacy of their own home.
You've been reading those repub/tparty emails again. What you post, except the last paragraph, is not true and can be easily refuted. Please do your own fact checking. Thank you. With that last paragraph, except for Libertarian, agree with you 100%.
SeekingSanity
Clear Voice 2 - It is tradition to put your hand over your heart during the pledge of allegience - not necessary during the playing of the National Anthem - nor is it the norm. For the national anthem you are to stand at attention with your arms at your side. You really should learn protocol before you post.
Your idea of what makes a good American and what makes a fool probably needs work. Otherwise - you just look ignorant and backward.
Obama/Biden 2012
Not only are you not a Christian as you have claimed, your outright ignorance and distortion of the truth is appalling and unamerican! You can't even spell allegiance! WOW... Talk about ignorant!
The US flag code states "during a rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed ALL present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart"! Obama has always been the only one claiming to be an American who refused to place his hand over the heart!
Liberals always attempt to distort the truth to their own advantage! Your appalling lack of knowledge tends to give credence to the assertion that thirsty American liberals placed in a desert would drink the sand, not because they were dying of thirst, but because they simply don't know the difference!
Romney/Ryan 2012
Obama would never be reelected if this country enforced a mandatory voter competency test!
@Earthgirl.. Then refute away....Here's a fact, the school that my mother is principal of health insurance has gone up 47% since 2010.
Another Fact...The corporation that owns Olive Garden is already sending people home at 29 hours.
Fact, the CEO of Westport, David Siegel Resorts flat out said if Obama is reelected he will be forced to lay off workers.
Also, you agree with Libertarian views when the term used in common association with US politics. Fiscally Conservative and socially liberal.
It will be an interesting debate. I hope many voters will tune in to find out what Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are really about. It could get complicated, but my hope is that the straight forward, keep it simple style of Joe Biden will allow Americans to catch on to the Romney/Ryan game plan.
If they do catch on, those poll numbers will reverse their recent trend. Let's hope.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
why does uncle joe aka robinette (how appropriate is that!!) deserve any respect? he is a plagiarist (to steal and pass off the ideas or words of another) as one's own) at least once in college and once as a democrat candidate for president; has been a public "servant" for 40 years (some would refer to him as old and white if he were not a democrat); he is a racist as indicated by his claiming that blacks will again be put in chains; he was an embarrassment as judiciary chairman and on and on.
he correctly observed about obama that America could not afford to elect a candidate that had so little experience that he would require on-the-job training
and then just recently admitted that the policies of the current administration have buried the middle class since he and barry took over. i believe ryan will win as the "ole joe" act has grown very tiresome.
and should he try to debate the way he behaved as judiciary chairman Americans will see him for the poor pathetic, vindictive little man that he is.
Desperation makes you say silly things billybob.
Funny, when I hear the words "pathetic, vindictive little man", the first image that pops into my head is Dick Cheney.
I can tell you've never actually listened to Joe Biden at all, let alone in person. I have - and I have never met a LESS "pathetic, vindictive little man" in my life. The warmth, compassion, and self-deprecating good humor he has are remarkable for a politician. And while I've mentioned it here before, I'll say one more time that I will be forever grateful to him for taking time out of his busy schedule to personally call and speak to my step-mother for several minutes last year when he learned she was dying of lung cancer. She was absolutely thrilled, and it gave her a treasured few minutes away from the pain and fear.
I don't care what he does tonight - I love Joe Biden.
Wow! What a hater you are bbob. If you are trying to make an honest point why do you use hatred and name calling. Could it be because your life sucks? The weather on your planet must be mighty gloomy. And what will you do if Obama is re-elected. Oh dear.
B White - billybob posts like the idiot he surely is. Just reading his post lets you know he has no clue about anything - and doesn't care for the truth.
Obama/Biden 2012
no desperation here. things are going very well. i'll take ryan any day over joe.
hanging your hope on big bird would be a great indication of desperation.
b -- thanks for your interest. my life is great and will get even better when we return obama to hawaii.
no hate. just truth. the fact that he was the best barry could convince to join him on the ticket is really sad.
the weather here on earth is quite nice, again -- thanks for asking.
Big mouth Senator Joe has been after the repubs ever since Ronald Reagan slapped his liberal fanny back in the 80's. Check out how Joey bag-o-donuts tried to humiliate William Clark when Reagan appointed him Hagues asst to Sec State. It was buffoon Bidens "We have to pass the bill so we can see what's in it" moment.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012
TO: billybob-6210632 who wrote:
Ha! Nominating a JOBS CREMATOR like Mitt Robme and then putting that knucklehead together with a Teagagger like "Lyin Paul Ryan" is not only a sign of "desperation" but it's also a recipie for a Republicans LOSS!
Obama/Biden 2012
10 things to watch for... that many? I plan to watch only one thing- football. Later I'll skim over the news about this so-called debate, circus side-show, meaningless rah! rah! sisboombah while sittin' on da' crappah'!
So you're pro freedom, but you're paying the pay for view NFL to watch football. You do realize the NFL is paying the networks to not televise NFL football so they can charge fans a fee to watch. That's called collusion which is not freedom or American.
Mo- recorded on DVR! (BTW- go Tigers!! ;)
mo -- collusion you say? then where is eric holder? why is he not attacking the nfl with the same zeal as was his support for the new black panther party??
Mo, Will your college team win a conference game this week ? I mean after all, getting beat by the traditional "cellar dweller" of the SEC, the Vanderbilt "commode doors", that has to be pretty embarassing ! (Sorry Vandy fans, that was only for Mo)
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012
There is really only one inevitable moment to watch for tonight. That is when Joe opens his mouth and inserts his foot. Otherwise, Biden will just be a Chihuahua on ampthetamines tonight but he has the same problem as Obama, no record to run on so the only option is to try and smear the other side, distort, deflect, divide. Very predictable. Can't blame anyone who watches a playoff game that matters instead.
Just ask Ryan for the math...and don't stop until he does. He can't even tell you when the budget will balance. So much for "the numbers guy". It's all smoke and mirrors.
It's like I've said many times. Ryan is a media generated politician. Ryan tells the media he's the smartest man in the world and the media goes out and broadcast it all over the airwaves without realizing he's really not very smart. But for now they just ignore his dump statements.
I can tell you when Obama's budget will balance. Oh! He and his Democrat congress never passed a budget during the two years they were majority.
So Never. Obama moron!
jc -- get back to us when harry reid produces a budget for discussion
If there ever was a media generated Politician it is Obama.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012
There is not one person in that entire repub/tparty that questioned Ryan on his arithmetic. He brought out his 'plan,' passed out copies and talked doublespeak. Not one had the
smartsgumption to question Mr. Math. They didn't want to appear ignorant, tho they were/are. If he said so, it must be. For days they've been trying to plug holes, reCONfigure, falsely estimate. You have to feel for the guys who's trying to do all this on computers, with a new system yet. I'll tell you honestly, the repub/tparty bunch are blowhards, deceitful to the bottom of their soles. They're still trying to figure out which end of a turd is clean (sorry).Well I live in the South and I don't get why Ryan is supposedly a likable personality. he seems like another really uptight northern white guy, like Romney, just 10% less awkward. He comes across as very neat & tidy, a suit. I don't get it.
It's just the media keeps pumping him up. It'll end soon.
JT,
I live in the North and I can't keep up with his fast talk.
"Uptight nothern white guy" LOL
You nailed it.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012
Gary Johnson
alan,
I had read somewhere that Libertarians are a factor in AZ and Alaska.
It will be interesting to see the results in the Western States.
Romney & Ryan look like a couple of Ken dolls, they look like department store underwear models...Which seems an odd fit for the GOP...How long do these dudes freaking spend on their hair every day....
Ryan's is not real, it's a wig.
Much less time than Obama spends on dividing the country and making excuses!
What does this have to do with anything? Who the heck cares how much time they spend on their hair. Let's talk about the economy of the current president. Yes, the current president (Not Bush).
JT . . .
Your comment made my morning! However I don't find either of them as attractive as mannequin. It's all that lying garbage they have on the inside.
Obama/Biden 2012
Romney 'I'm not concerned about the very poor'
Romney hides money in foreign countries to avoid paying taxes.
Romney showed his true face of deception.
When lying, bullying and flip-flopping wins out over honesty and being polite in the polls, there is something wrong with the way we have been taught to believe.
Speaking of flip flops and lies. First, "This the result of a spontaneous demonstration in response to a vdeo". Next, "It is self evident it was a terrorist attack". First, "Our statements were made based on the intel we had and the time which then evolved". Next, "We never concluded this was protest in response to a film" (State Department).
How does Fiesty always manage to be the first post on virtually any article about politics?
Hey Fiesty - do you work for NBC? Or do you work for Obama's campaign in conjunction with NBC?
I'd really like to know how you get such unerring access. It's almost as if your posts are attached to the article as it hits the internet.
Very interesting....
The jealous conspiracy theorist are back Feisty. It's been awhile sense a republican poster has showed his/her anger for not being first.
MOMINNJ - well of course Feisty works for NBC which is why she was suspended a couple of weeks ago. Now, go wipe the egg off your face - you look as idiotic as you post!
Obama/Biden 2012
Come on now Seeking, WE all know that was only to throw them off my trail! lol
Feisty - Shhhh! I was working on your cover! LOL We knew it had to start coming up again, right? And, THESE people vote!!! Scary!
Obama/Biden 2012
Fiesty - you still out there? Any answer?
NOPE!
I'm enjoying watching you stew in your conspiracy theory too much!
Ta ta!
Good one Feisty!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jaysus, Feisty, could MominNJ BE more pathetic?
I don't believe you. There is no way you just coincidentally happen to be the first post with such regularity.
Doesn't matter though.
Romney will win with at least 330 electoral votes. See you after the election.
Hence the phrase "conspiracy theory". There is help for that Mom old girl. Run, don't walk to your nearest mental health facility.
She is here 24/7. Cannot find a job. But she spews her vomit asking the repubs, "Where are the jobs". She is a slug, probably too fat to get out and look.
Well then, DON'T - do you think I give a @!$%#?
Get a life for Christ's sake!
Feisty NDDR, still no job? :{{ hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
feisty is offending the feelings of the christian community. wonder if she will be just as nasty to the muslims? that would give obama another obscure source for terrorist violence.
Wisconsin Sinner
From the article above:
Indeed.
You wonder how the Congressman ever passed math class.
You wonder how the Congressman can live with his lies.
You wonder how the Congresman became a congressman.
This will be so easy for the Vice-President tonight.
Congressman Ryan. The male version of Sarah Palin.
Salud
Let the RICH gets RICHER and the POOR gets POORER. If you like that phrase vote ROMNEY!........... It's all about not letting the Republican party get in office. " All us Democrats must hold ground do not vote Republican"
And you're saying that the poor haven't gotten poorer in the last 4 years? And the rich, well, they've probably gotten poorer as well.
Today must be one of the 9 days that you're not having fun. You sound troubled.
Personality-wise Ryan and Biden are well matched. Ryan comes across as a very down to earth, earnest and humble young man with considerable intelligence. Biden comes across as a witty, fun loving, grandpa that we all wish we had.
Biden's plan to pull apart Ryan's budget and policy proposals could backfire badly though. Especially if Ryan brings it back to the four year failure of the Obama administration's budget and policy proposals that have stuck us with 6 trillion more in national debt.
The lying claims post Romney/Obama debate? Those haven't worked so well either among middle of the roaders, undecideds, and independents. Not only does it come off as bratty teenagers who just lost the big game, it's a tough sell with the latest Obama administration attempt at a coverup - the Libyan terrorist attack.
MOMINNJ;
The answer is that Feisty gets up earlier than you do therefore her posts are first. If you want to be first, get out of your robe, and get to it.
God. What a pathetic life YOU must live to worry about something this banal.
You lost all readers of your post with this second sentence Independent in Colorado. They were laughing to hard to read any further.
I don't worry.
And here we go again - another liberal resorting to name calling when they don't have a good answer.
I saw the article get posted. And before I could even open the discussion box Fiesty was there. You are saying that she is just that much faster than the other hundreds of thousands of people on this site? Almost every time she replies to an article?
I don't believe it.
Independent in Co- Actually the fact that Romney lied so much is coming across more and more with Independents. People who are actually paying attention know Romney changes his stance daily and that is making a difference at the polls (and yes, people are already voting). The only people impressed by Romney/Ryan are those who just don't give a damn or those not paying attention.
Obama/Biden 2012
Yep. That is exactly what I am saying. "I don't believe it." Of course you don't. "teabaggers" never believe the data presented. That's why we laugh at them.
its really not that hard to get 1st post if you want to sit there and hit refresh. unfortunately i must work for a living instead of spewing lies on chat boards all day.
IT is truly amazing at the way many here go after Romney and Ryan with name calling, and the new mantra, since they cannot defend Obama's record of FAILURE after FAILURE after broken promises, which is "he lies". How pathetic and indicative of desperation politics and people whom are very shallow intellectually. Obama and his supporters have nothing left in the tank so they resort to guttural politics!
And herein lies the problem...
I call bullsh!t.. Almost everything the president has done has been a success... Just because you rwnjs keep shouting its a failure does not make it so. We know this is the republican (and nazi) tactic of keep telling the lies over and over again and the low information people (republicans) will believe it..
NinjaCodeMann: you are delusional! What planet have you resided on for the past four years?? ...... not earth!
NinjaCodeMan:
SINCE you dragged the Nazis into this discussion, Obama,Biden and their mindless supporters are taking the same path as Hitler and Gherbals:
PROPAGANDA HATE, and DIVISION!
.... HISTORY SHOWS US WHAT HAPPENED THERE!
NinjaCodeMann, well look at you go with name calling and spewing hate like a fountain but providing no facts. LOL, you are exactly what Eric said you would be.
Those saying debates matter to no one, the thinking voter who is weighing options is still looking, until the last second for that which confirms or denies the legitimacy of the vote which they are going to cast for a particular party, or may even change it. The extremist yellow dogs on the other hand can watch a video of their candidate beat an old woman, three dogs, and an entire children's choir to death with a spiked club and they will scream all day that the other party planned it or it was the last president's fault.
Don't be a sheep, think and THEN vote. Don't vote then regret.
Wrong answer Eric.. that is the way of the republicans.. THey are the ones spewing the hate and and propaganda vis the faux network and right wing pundits... remember that Nazism is an ultra right wing thing.. The Nazis were ultra-conservative!
For goodness sake, everyone leave your robes ON! No nudity on the boards!
Ninja, Actually you are correct about the Nazi party, but the Ultra libs are adopting their policies of racism, religious attacks, and divisionism. You did it is post 14.8.
You must be proud of yourself
Ok Tracy.. How about this..
1) Rep Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) at a recent hearing, said there should have been more security in Benghazi. Fact: Along with House GOP, Chaffetz voted to CUT embassy security funding by $128 million last year, and $331 million in 2012.
2) Since January 2009, GOP Congress has blamed our President for their own obstruction and moral turpitude. After running on JobsJobsJobs, they voted down every jobs bill - including the Veterans Jobs bill a few weeks ago. GOP congressionals have been INTENTIONALLY USELESS for the middle class.
3) GOP candidate Romney debated the U.S. President on the national stage last week, and DENIED the very centrepiece of his policy plan. Romney insisted his famous $5Trillion tax cut stump speech NEVER, ever happened.
Summary: Though Chaffetz/GOP voted to cut funding to U.S. embassies against Secretary Hilary Clinton's wishes, the wheeze is to blame Benghazi on the President .~~5.2 million jobs were created without GOP's help.~~Do not believe Mitt Romney, he's not telling you the truth.
Thanks Backhouse..
O&JOE2012
Nina.....here ya go...here is list of your great Obama/Biden accomplishments:
$46.2 Trillion:
Total Federal Spending Proposed By Obama’s FY2013 Budget Through 2022. (OMB, 7/27/12)
$25.4 Trillion:
Projected Federal Debt In 2022 Due To Obama’s Binge Spending. (OMB, 7/27/12)
$16.2 Trillion:
Current National Debt ($ 16,161,879,857,156 ). (U.S. Treasury Department, Accessed 10/8/12)
$9.2 Trillion:
Amount Obama’s FY2013 Budget Would Add To The Debt Through FY2022. (OMB, 7/27/12)
$6.4 Trillion:
Cumulative Deficits Over FY2013-2022. (OMB, 7/27/12)
$5.5 Trillion:
Added To The National Debt Since Obama Took Office. (U.S. Treasury Department, Accessed 10/8/12)
$5.3 Trillion:
Total Interest Payments On The National Debt Due To Obama’s Proposed Budget, FY2013-2022. (OMB, 7/27/12)
$2.6 Trillion:
True Cost Of ObamaCare Once Fully Implemented. (Office Of The Speaker Of The U.S. House Of Representatives, Report, 1/6/11)
$1.9 Trillion:
Higher Taxes In Obama’s Budget. (OMB, 7/27/12)
$1.75 Trillion:
Annual Cost Of Federal Regulations. (Small Business Administration, September 2010)
$1.416 Trillion:
Federal Budget Deficit For FY2009 – Highest In U.S. History. (CBO, 10/7/10)
$1.298 Trillion:
Federal Budget Deficit For FY2011 – Second Highest In U.S. History. (CBO, 10/7/11)
$1.294 Trillion:
Federal Budget Deficit For FY2010 – Third Highest In U.S. History. (CBO, 10/7/10)
$1.18 Trillion:
Total Cost Of Obama’s First Stimulus With Interest. (CBO, 1/31/12, CBO, 1/27/09)
$1.15 Trillion:
American Debt Held By China. (U.S. Treasury Department, Accessed 10/8/12)
$1.090 Trillion:
Federal Budget Deficit For FY2012 – Fourth Highest In U.S. History. (CBO, 10/5/12)
$833 Billion:
Price Tag Of Obama’s First Failed Stimulus. (CBO , 8/23/12)
$820 Billion:
Amount Of Taxes In ObamaCare. (CBO, 3/13/12;JCT, 6/15/12; CBO, 9/19/12)
$716 Billion:
Amount Of Medicare Cuts In ObamaCare. (Letter From Congressional Budget Office To Speaker John Boehner , 7/24/12)
$447 Billion:
Price Tag Of Obama’s Second Stimulus. (The White House, 9/8/11)
$347.1 Billion:
Debt Service Costs For Borrowing To Pay For Obama’s First Stimulus. (CBO, 1/27/09)
$200 Billion:
Forecasted Decrease In Economic Output Due To Obama’s Proposed Tax Hikes. ( Ernst & Young LLP , 7/12)
$187 Billion:
Taxpayer Funds For Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac. (ProPublica, Accessed 10/8/12)
$175 Billion:
Increased Spending In Obama’s Second Stimulus. (CBO, 10/5/11)
$97.1 Billion:
Amount Of Regulatory Burden For 2012, At The Current Pace. (American Action Forum, 10/5/12)
$37.2 Billion:
Outstanding Government Investment In Bailouts Of Auto Industry. (Treasury Department , 9/10/12)
$25.5 Billion:
Amount Government Expects To Lose On Bailouts Of Auto Industry. (Treasury Department , 9/10/12)
$24 Billion:
Stimulus Funds Sent To Tax Cheats. (Government Accountability Office, April 2011)
$1.3 Billion:
Amount Taxpayers Will Not Recover From Bailout Of Chrysler. (FactCheck.org, 6/6/11)
$535 Million:
Stimulus Loan To The Failed Solar Company Solyndra. (The Oakland Tribune, 11/4/10)
122.7 Million:
Amount Of Paperwork Burden Hours Imposed By Federal Government Regulations Since January 1, 2012. (American Action Forum, 10/5/12)
46.7 Million:
Record Number Of Americans Receiving Food Stamps. (Department Of Agriculture, 9/28/12)
23.2 Million:
Americans Unemployed, Underemployed Or Have Given Up Looking For Work. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, Accessed 10/8/12)
$18 Million:
Cost Of The Stimulus Website Recovery.org. (ABC News’ The Note, 7/8/09)
15.8 Million:
Adult Children Who Lived With Their Parents In 2010. (U.S. Census Bureau, 6/12)
15.5 Million:
Adults Aged 25-34 That Lived With Their Parents In 2010. (U.S. Census Bureau, 6/12)
12.1 Million:
Unemployed Americans. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, Accessed 10/8/12)
8.6 Million:
Americans Working Part-Time For Economic Reasons. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, Accessed 10/8/12)
$6.7 Million:
Cost Per A Job From Obama’s 1705 Stimulus Green Energy Loan Program. (Testimony Of Veronique De Rugy, 6/19/12)
5.5 Million:
As Of July 2012, Number Of Mortgages Either 30 Days Delinquent Or In Foreclosure. (Lender Processing Services, 9/24/12)
1.65 Million:
Jobs Forecasted To Be Lost Due To New And Pending EPA Regulations. (NERA Economic Consulting, September 2011)
1.1 Million:
Jobless Seniors Who Have Been Unemployed For More Than Six Months. (Charles A. Jeszeck Testimony, 5/15/12)
1,035,000:
Construction Jobs Lost Since Obama Took Office. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, Accessed 10/8/12)
802,000:
Discouraged Workers That Have Stopped Looking For Work. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, Accessed 10/8/12)
710,000:
Jobs That Would Be Lost Due To Obama’s Proposed Tax Hikes. (Ernst & Young LLP , 7/12)
610,000:
Manufacturing Jobs Lost Since Obama Took Office. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, Accessed 10/8/12)
283,000:
Jobs Lost By Women Since Obama Took Office. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, Accessed 10/8/12)
89,000:
The Number Of Stimulus Checks Sent To Dead Or Incarcerated People. ( The Wall Street Journal , 10/7/10)
62,900:
Shortage Of Doctors By 2015 Due To ObamaCare. (The New York Times, 7/28/12)
61,000:
Jobs Lost Since Obama Took Office. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, Accessed 10/8/12)
$52,347:
Your Share Of The National Debt. (U.S. Treasury Department Accessed 10/8/12; U.S. Census Bureau, Accessed 10/8/12)
45,696:
Pages Of New Rules Added To The Federal Register During Obama’s First Two Years In Office. ( Competitive Enterprise Institute , 2011)
23,000:
The Number Of Jobs Obama Knew His Drilling Moratorium Would Kill. (The Wall Street Journal , 8/21/10)
$17,927:
Increase In Your Share Of The National Debt Since Obama Took Office. (U.S. Treasury Department Accessed 10/8/12; U.S. Census Bureau, Accessed 10/8/12)
16,000:
Manufacturing Jobs Lost In September. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, Accessed 10/8/12)
$15,745:
Average Cost Of Family Health Care Premiums, A $3,065 Increase Since Obama Took Office. (The Kaiser Family Foundation, 2012)
$15,500:
Annual Cost Per Household From Federal Regulations. (Small Business Administration, September 2010)
$10,585:
Cost Per Employee That Federal Regulations Place On Small Businesses. (Small Business Administration, September 2010)
$4,520:
Decline In Real Median Household Income Since Obama Took Office. (“Household Income Trends, August 2012,”Sentier Research , 9/25/12)
3,700:
Number Of Tax Delinquents Who Received Stimulus Funds. (Government Accountability Office, April 2011)
2060:
Year Federal Spending Will Reach 50 Percent Of GDP. (CBO, 6/22/11)
2037:
Year That Federal Debt Will Reach 200 Percent Of GDP. (CBO, 6/22/11)
2036:
Year That The Social Security Trust Fund Will Be Exhausted. (The Trustees Of Social Security & Medicare , 4/23/12)
2024:
Year That Medicare’s Trust Fund Will Be Exhausted. (The Trustees Of Social Security & Medicare , 4/23/12)
1,722:
Number Of Waivers Granted To Unions And Businesses So That ObamaCare Would Not Outlaw Their Health Care Plans. (HHS.gov, Accessed 10/8/12)
1,603:
Number Of Regulations That Would Impact Small Businesses Proposed By Obama Administration In First Two Years In Office. (Competitive Enterprise Institute , 2011)
1,260:
Days Since Harry Reid’s Senate Has Passed A Budget Resolution. (S. Con. Res. 13, Roll Call 173 ; 4/29/09)
$858:
The Current Monthly Price Of A Moderate-Cost Food Plan For A Family Of Four With Young Children, Up From $819.40 Since Obama Became President. (USDA , 2/09; USDA, 9/12)
638:
Number Of Bundlers Who Have Brought In At Least $142.8 Million Of Obama’s Total Haul . (Center For Responsive Politics, Accessed 10/8/12)
408:
Number Of Regulations Proposed By Obama During First Two Years That Have An Economic Impact Of Over $100 Million. (Competitive Enterprise Institute , 2011)
106%:
Increase In The Average Price Per Gallon Of Gas Since Obama Took Office. (U.S. Energy And Information Administration, Accessed 10/8/12)
80%:
Small Businesses That Could Be Forced To Change Health Care Plans As A Result Of ObamaCare. (NFIB, 7/11)
73.5%:
Federal Debt Held By The Public As Share Of GDP By End Of FY2012. (OMB, 7/27/12)
63%:
Voters That Consider The Country Either Worse Off Or The Same Under Obama. (NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll , 1000 RV, 3.1% MoE, 9/26-30/12)
59%:
U.S. Metropolitan Areas That Reported Higher Foreclosure Activity In The First Half Of 2012. (RealtyTrac, 7/26/12)
54.3%:
The Share Of Young Adults 18-24 Currently Employed, The “Lowest Since The Government Began Collecting These Data In 1948.” (Pew Research Center, 2/9/12)
53%:
Voters That Believe The Country Is On The Wrong Track. (NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll , 1000 RV, 3.1% MoE, 9/26-30/12)
51%:
Voters That Disapprove Of Obama’s Handling Of The Economy. (NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll , 1000 RV, 3.1% MoE, 9/26-30/12)
49.1%:
“Percent Of The Population That Lives In A Household Where At Least One Member Received Some Type Of Government Benefit In The First Quarter Of 2011.” (The Wall Street Journal , 5/26/12)
39.8:
Average Number Of Weeks That It Takes To Find A Job. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, Accessed 10/8/12)
29.4%:
Unemployed Workers Out Of Work For Over A Year. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, Accessed 10/8/12)
27%:
Student Loan Borrowers That Have Past Due Balances. (Federal Reserve Bank Of New York , 3/5/12)
25%:
Increase In The Average Cost Of In-State Tuition At A Four Year College Since President Obama Took Office. (College Board, 2011)
24.2%:
Increase In The Average Cost Of Family Health Care Premiums Under Obama. (The Kaiser Family Foundation, 2012)
17%:
Cut To Medicare Benefits When Trust Fund Is Exhausted. (House Ways & Means Committee Hearing, 6/22/11)
14.7%:
Real (U-6) Unemployment Rate. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, Accessed 10/8/12)
14%:
Seniors That Believe They Can Retire Comfortably. (Reuters, 5/15/12)
7.8%:
Unemployment Rate. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, Accessed 10/3/12)
4:
Record Number Of Years Of +$1 Trillion Deficits On Obama’s Watch. (The Hill, 9/10/12)
0:
Other People Obama Will Have Left To Blame For The Failures Of His Economic Policies In 2012. (The American People, 11/6/12)
I can see someone has been very busy Romneying. LOL. Priceless.
I can see pennylane05 has nothing of real substance to say. Typical.
Ya' know, I'm really tired of people invoking Hitler against every enemy (military or political or ideological).
Saddam was "Hitler"... No, he was just a thug with a large, but hollow army.
Romney is Hitler. No, he's a moderate Republican repositioning to maintain conservative support.
Obama is Hitler. No, actually, Hitler's policies worked - consider, in 1933, Germany was defeated, occupied, bankrupt, and wracked by hyper-inflation, rampant unemployment, and violent factionalism with riots in the streets. Over the next 3 years, alone, while the rest of the world sank into the Great Depression, Hitler restored Germany to the first rank of nations, employed millions, extended unheard of benefits to the working class while still maintaining a business friendly environment (right down to publicly subsidized vacations for poor families), curbed crime, restored Germany's borders and fiscal soundness, rebuilt their military, initiated massive public works programs (incl. the Autobahn, which was the inspiration for our own Interstate system), created an affordable car for the masses (the Volkswagen - now the largest car maker in the world) and showed it off with a showpiece Olympics, which yielded plenty of acclaim and an award winning documentary ("Triumph of the Will"). SO, comparing Obama to Hitler is a disservice - TO HITLER!
But it's hyperbole, folks. Hitler was "sui generis". Don't cheapen the costs of containing and defeating him by turning every two-bit disagreement into a fight against ultimate evil. It just doesn't work and it offends anyone with any sense of proportion and reality.
a must see: seven habits of highly misleading people(paul ryan)
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Biden will win with half his brain tied behind his back. Oh! wait. he only has half a brain.
One of these two will wind up playing second banana to the President. Significant post should anything happen to our leader.
Nice to see that someone gets is 77Observer
Something to remember - this is television - with a 69 year old undoubtedly going on about Medicare in contrast to a good-looking, telegenic 42 year old. These things matter.
Paul Ryan is, and presents himself as smart, articulate and knowledgeable. This is A CONSENSUS amongst his colleagues in congress(both parties)his constituents in Wisconsin as well as the way the general public sees him. REMEMBERING that Paul Ryan has been re elected from a district that is solid democrat.
With those confirmed facts, tonight will be long and arduous for Biden.
TORPEDO #2 is about to hit the sinking ship Obama.
Is Ryan's Batman look for real? Don't mean to be superficial but that hairline is something...different.
Eric: Ryan's district is not primarily Democratic. It's generally cut among 3 parties, with repub top dog. Ryan was able to "pork" for the poorer cities, Kenosha and Racine, and lately Janesville. He's also in the primary industrial district of WI and plays ball with the Koch Bros. bought/paid for governor Walker.
Well earthgirl, do a search on Jeff Dunhams "Walter" and you will retract that remark. And just like the puppet, Biden has someones hand up his A$$ telling him what to do.
The only thing to watch is Ryan's face. Every time he gives you that @!$%# eatin' grin, he is LYING! Let's see if this clown will bully the commentator like Romney's little display of arrogance and stupidity.
O/B.......2012
TopDrum.......Question: How do you tell if Obama and Biden are lying? Answer: Their lips are moving. Don't even start with the Republican lying distraction. America knows better. Remember when Obama said we were going to have total transparancy during the healthcare debate, everything on line, everyone could tune in? Wrong. It was done behind closed doors. I could go on and on. Biden is a total clown and embarassment. He was even dumb enough to admit he was drunk the whole time he attended Syracuse University. America has two professional politicians now. It less than a month they will be replaced with competent leaders. Deal with it.
Well, if it's arrogance and stupidity that kicked a presidents ass, so be it, eh?
Give'm hell Joe. We know you can do it. I don't know who everyone is asking to show ROMNEY leading in the polls, but must have bought and paid for that by line to someone. He has bout the nomination for himself. If the man from Mo wins, all woman can look out. Go Claire, we really want you to win. Mr. President, please work your next debate, we really want you back. the R/R is defintely not fit to be P/andVP. to much dirt, to much lying. Obama/biden 2012.
Lady J, Are you crazy? I know that seems like a mean question but really, are you crazy? With every word, Obama distorts the truth, makes up and manipulates "facts" and is absolutely the worst president in American history. So I ask the question once again, are you crazy?
And herein lies the problem...
I call bullsh!t.. Almost everything the president has done has been a success... Just because you rwnjs keep shouting its a failure does not make it so. We know this is the republican (and nazi) tactic of keep telling the lies over and over again and the low information people (republicans) will believe it..
Keep posting it like it is Lady JAG... we need to keep posting the truth as the rwnjs will keep posting lies...
O&JOE2012
Well said, Independent in Colorado!
Ninja Code Man - let's go back and talk about the anti-muslim video that Hillary & Barack blamed everything on. They seem to know a lot about it. Then let's talk about truth in government.
The Obama administration has been truthful about very little - they can't be, because their record is so poor.
One thing Paul should ask Joe . How did your son earn all of those metals in 2.5 months in Afghanistan. Who has ever been in the military knows what I am talking about.
Ranger Up
It is so nice to see the democrats squirming. First Obama gets beat like a red headed step child, now Uncle joe, the poster child for bumbling dumb as88 has to go up against Ryan tonight, "aww, you sunk my battleship." I can hardly wait for this site tomorrow. Hey Dems, get used to it.
D Green28...One thing Paul should ask Joe . How did your son earn all of those metals in 2.5 months in Afghanistan. Who has ever been in the military knows what I am talking about.
Anyone in the Military knows, it doesn't work like that. He earned those medals and who are you to say he didn't?...If that's the case, Romney would have gotten quite a few medals going through the front door and out the back during Vietnam for draft dodging and Ryan has NEVER served either. Two cowards who want to start even more Wars if they ever get in office. Ryan has no place to ask Joe anything about his son and Afghanistan. I can't believe any Military Man or Woman would back Romney and Ryan. They will have you and if not you, your sons and daughters over there for many years to come. Wake up America!
Obama/Biden 2012
Using "coupons" to shop around for a good insurance deal or finding a good doctor that is out of business because of Obamacare costs and caps. Both plans suck. Repeal Obamacare and end Romney care.
Top Drum: O/B.....2012? Oh, I get it. Obliterate Barrack in 2012. Yes, I concur.
Ryan's budget and policy proposals are as bad as Obama's policies. Biden on the other hand must attack Ryans plan because Biden can not explain Obama's plan.
I'm curious to hear Ryan's definition of rape. Which type of rape is real and what's not real?? What are the various types of rape and how should each be handled if the woman gets pregnant? Ryan is a joke when it comes to women's issues. Why is it always men who think that they are the authorities on women's issues.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if men could get pregnant, there would be drive-thru abortion clinics EVERYWHERE!!
DJ4N6 Amen to all you said! Tired of men running and ruining women's bodies
DJ4N6 and lulu65 - In case you both missed it everytime it was said by Romney and Ryan - they are NOT against an abortion resulting from rape or if the mother's life is endangered. Are you not aware there are more important issues at stake here or has the left so thoroughly brainwashed you both? Indescriminate abortions are pure and simply murder, particularly late term abortions which your president voted to allow. All you women out there who get pregnant then don't want a baby to interfere with your lifestyle - imagine if your mothers had felt the same way.
People need to watch the lies coming from Ryan not fall in love with his style.
Stan, Do you even listen to what Obama says? To call Ryan a liar and giving a pass to Obama on his distortions, lies and failures is almost unthinkable. Are you and Lady J. roommates in the same asylum?
You mean like when Obama ran for President and then became an empty chair after he won? We got his hope and change alright. Change from bad to worse and hope the man doesn't get elected again or the whole nation will collapse.
What are you talking about there RayTee? Empty chair was a figmamint of a Old mans brain, and from a Congress worse then it ever was with a President that was even worse then Hoover! It didn't take 4 years but 8 for "W" and the Repubican Congress which is still in place to bring what's this country down! It took 8 plus what they are doing now to destroy it and Obama has had to walk through the mess that it still is creating to get up to a lower unemployment rate and a economy that we can at least exist on. If you have a problem with all the no progression then go to your lazy Congressman and Senator and say hey get off your butt and do something!
Billy, you have a typical Lib memory--short. BHO had the perfect scenario for two years (majority in House and Senate and puppets in both leadership roles). He submitted a budget to the Senate & House and got nary a vote. Do some research and quit spouting Dem talking points. BTW, empty chair became an empty suit in the debate. So, I would say it was a moment of ESP from the "old man".
Remember Stan lying Ryan want let facts dictate his campaign, and he certainly want let it keep him from lying tonight. But theres good news. PaPa Joe will call him out,no more free passes they are expired. Get the popcorn it's gonna be good watching him squirm when daddy Joe spanks that a**. Ole lying Ryan want even be able to wear his diaper after tonight! Joe is no Barrack and he will not look down while Ryan Lies to America. PaPa Joes going to make Ryan eat his very unpopular budget and ole Ryans going to say Mitts budget is the one that is being ran on so why are you attacking me and PaPa going to say because governor Romnet made it clear your budget and his are almost the same. Spank Spank!! Now stop don,t cry I will not exploit our age difference and the fact that you are a kid with experience, Ok so maybe I will I mean littely you are just a punk PaPa will say. Go get em Joe give em He**.
Hotrod2: It is u that has the short memory (well in defense to you, your party is making sure don't remember the Bush Admin..., not seen at the convention or anywhere like it never existed!) So, don't talk about our short memory because the voters for the Republican Party have been brainwashed to have no memory of what took place just a short 4 years ago. The economny was in the worst state since 1992 (Bush 1) in fact going down in flames in 2008 (Bush 2). Are you a youngster when this happened or have you had your brains sucked out by the Republican straw as to not remember?
Yes, we had 4 years in which time we accomplished the most dynamic and unprescedented change in healthcare in the history of the US. Once back to a Republican majority, your parties agenda was to say NO to any piece of legislation brought forward by Obama even if it was inspired by Obama and written by your own party. Your party showed it's true colors and lack of concern for the middle class by roadblocking the road to progress and jobs and instead did everything in their power to make Obama look ineffective and prevent a second term. Still Obama perservered and found Bin Laden and killed him, killed other primary terrorrists, brought our troops back from Iraq and got the healthcare directive passed and many more important pieces of legislation.
Apparently the only research you get is that which is pumped back into cranium through the Republican propaganda machine. Geez, where do you guys stand hard to tell when your candidate changes his mind like a "mood ring."
Stan: Just like rich men to dress and talk big. They are like the promise of a solid chocolate Easter bunny on Easter Sunday as a child.
Only to be disappointed that once you eat past the solid ears, all hollow and empty inside. Empty promises, that is the Romney/Ryan ticket. We know this is so when the Arithemetic does not add up.
Obama is like a Solid Chocolate Easter Bunny. He is a man of purpose and principle who does what he says only to be denied by those who don't like solid chocolate and prefer the pretense of hollow promises to a starving middleclass.
Stan: Just like rich men to dress and talk big. They are like the promise of a solid chocolate Easter bunny on Easter Sunday as a child.
Only to be disappointed that once you eat past the solid ears, all hollow and empty inside. Empty promises, that is the Romney/Ryan ticket. We know this is so when the Arithemetic does not add up.
Obama is like a Solid Chocolate Easter Bunny. He is a man of purpose and principle who does what he says only to be denied by those who don't like solid chocolate and prefer the pretense of hollow promises to a starving middleclass.
Drink some more kool-aid Lots of it
Inverway.....with thought processes like yours....I am feeling better and better about Romneys chances everyday. Every Obama supporter says the same thing, just like sheep BAAAAH BAAAAH. You listen to too much Alex Wagner, Ed Shultz, Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow. Its just hard for you to swallow that the President has created record deficits, record unemployment, wasted taxpayer dollars on failed energy companies, increased the cost of healthcare, etc etc etc.
So libs first say Romney hates Big Bird and they even run a truly stupid ad on that, and now Romney is like a hollow chocolate Easter Bunny and Obama is a solid Easter Bunny? OMG....you libs have lost it and are obviously getting desperate.
Billyd73 Bush had a Democrat congress for the last 2 years, Remember Harry Reid and Nancy Peloci who were the majority leaders in the senate and house. They passed those stupid housing bills that allowed anyone who could breath buy a home. Nixon could have learnd a few things from Obama about coverups. You bring up Hoover, but it was The democratic congress at the time that allowed people to buy stocks on margin, that created the crash. (just like the homes) Sound familure? It was FDR that took more then 8 years to end that depression, and if not for WWII we probably would still be in it. Now Obama is using FDR's playbook to try to end this one, this the same unsuccessful results. Not to mention Reid who for the past 4 years is still trying to put on his pants. The man is a joke, except he is screwing up the country.
300Micheal:
Well said,good sustantiation with facts and historical knowlegde. That said, your are you are trying to accomplish the impossible here. TOO MANY of these people WILL NOT ACCEPT FACTS. ALL they want is information to be used to help there spin while ignoring ALL of Obama's FAILURES and deceptions. A person has to be open minded and willing to see the whole picture....... many of the people on here refuse to see reality or accept facts.
Stan-234989
People need to watch the lies coming from Ryan not fall in love with his style.
Have you noticed Pinocchio Paul's nose has grown a few inches since last week? It will grow a few more inches tonight. :)
Give him hell Joe!
Obama/ Biden 2012
I wonder if Jumpin' Joe used the same analytical reasoning, when reviewing Ryan's budget proposal and policies, as he used in his questionable dealings with Paradigm and the connection to Obama's pal sleazy Tony Rezko. He's as much a self-serving hypocrite as Obama. 20 years ago Biden lied about his academic record and assumed the life story of Neil Kinnock, a British politician. He also claimed the Bidens were "coal miners" but actually stole that from the Kinnock story. This guy we don't need for another 4 years either.