Bob in Virginia-5210392

Mitt Romney will carry the state of Virginia.

New national Pew poll Romney 49% Obama 45%...Chuck Todd on NBC Nightly News critiqued this poll...yet anyone critiquing the NBC polls which showed Obama way ahead a mere few weeks ago were "conpiracy nuts"...

News Flash Probing BOB :Obama up over Romney 50%-45%

tehetehetetehetehe ☺ ☺ … the media was repeating the Gallup Poll of 47%-47% for Pres. Obama and Romney. But, got massive push back on twitter for repeating the crap poll. The real number shows Pres. Obama up over Romney 50%-45%.

http://www.blogrunner.com/snapshot/D/5/4/obama_up_5_approval_rating_above_50_percent_in_latest_gallup_tracking/

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Well, hell. Doncha all remember? The polls is all 'skewed'.

(But....I LIKE polls.....Ha Ha Ha Ha....)

Chuck Todd on NBC Nightly News critiqued this poll...yet anyone critiquing the NBC polls which showed Obama way ahead a mere few weeks ago were "conpiracy nuts

This coming from the same RWNJ who was pissing himself last week over those "skewed polls"! lol

Do any of you idiots ever take a moment and look at what hypocrites YOU are?

Gallup daily tracking Obama 50, Romney 45 (Oct. 01 – 07) up from yesterday’s 49/46

PPP in VA Obama 50, Romney 47 (Oct. 04 – 07) + Kaine up 7 over Allen (51/44)

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@Bob,

Mitt Romney will carry the state of Virginia

And carry the U.S. into another war, if he is elected.

Obama/Biden 2012

Again, the only poll that counts is the one in November.

That said, per the reports on the polls I've heard (from NPR inspite of the defunding threat), the key reason for the bounce was the first debate. Gov. Romney "won" the debate by an over 40% margin per the pollings.

Key reason stated was that "he looked good and sounded confident." This to me is a really sad statement when the wrapping is more important than the contents to the average American. Americans need to learn about and focus on the issues. THEN make their decision.

It's the Bush Depression.

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Just because it started 4 years ago, just because it's truth, it doesn't mean you can mention it again.

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A recession started with bank failure and credit crunch is harder to fix, such as the Great Depression that started in 1929 but didn't end until 1945 - and don't forget the impact of WWII on the economy.

Maybe Martians attacking is not a bad thing after all - we will get a war that might then fix the Bush Depression, just as what WWII did to the Great Depression.

If Romney is considered by some to be the 'winner', it is only because of the Romney/Rove strategy of Extreme Dishonesty.

Romney immediately DENIED the $5 trillion dollar tax cut plan, that he has been selling across the nation for the past 18 months.

This tax cut plan bought him bigtime financial support from the 0.01%-ers like Adelson, who plan to put a Norquistian President into the Oval office - to do their bidding.

Other major, major whoppers followed, and Romney ran out the clock telling them.

Good lord, Dennis- can you comprehend anything you read?

Gallup reported out TWO-2- poll numbers today. One was the result of the seven day rolling AVERAGE- that is all seven days, added up, then divided by seven. They also reported out the results of the three days after the debate.

Now, why would they do that? Well, see, when they looked at the seven day average, they noticed something- the last three days trended toward Romney.

Now, they could have decided not to report both- but that would put them in an awkward position- public trust in their polls would be undermined. So, they decided to go with both.

The three day polling result is the more important. That debate had a huge impact- as it was seen by over 70 million people. One would assume that those people will actually vote, since, after all, debates are not, exactly, high on the entertainment list for most people. By the way, Romney's 52 point win was the biggest EVER in Gallup history. Only Bill Clinton's 42 points even came close.

Gallup will, in fact, be getting to Likely Voter mode- they should have, already, but I suppose they decided to wait until after the debates had started. Then Obama is done. Stick a fork in him.

How about (your quote):

"Stick a fork"--

IN YOU.

YOU, AND THE REST OF YOUR 47% 'COMPASSION' PARTY.

YOU AND THE REST OF YOUR 'COMPASSION' PARTY.

The voodoo priestess is an expert when it comes to poking things!

Shame the same can't be said about her hubby when it comes to her....

Shriveled & bitter is NO way to go through life! ;o)

Lame, Navy. Desperate, and lame.

Words from the "desperate and lame"

"You Dems Skewed the Polls,"

Wah, wah, Party.

Well, Navy, here's something that might put some "Hopium" back in your deflated ballon-

Last month, Pew Research had a sample of democrats +9.

This latest poll? Republicans and democrats are even.

Might explain some of the change in the poll number, doncha think?

Mitt doesn't care about the bottom 47% anyway, why does he even mention unemployment? To remind those unemployed that Mitt doesn't care about them?

One reason the unemployment is so bad is THAT Mitt and his fellow 1% have moved their money (the result of TAX-PAYERS-funded tax cut) to the Cayman Islands and refuse to invest in here to create jobs - thus disproving Mitt's own theory of trickle-down economics.

Stay the Course and ...

FORWARD...

Navy will be gratified to hear he is uppermost in your thoughts.

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And Beverly @ #1.1, do you know something we don't?

Nah, Backhouse, Navy knows what no jo is like. He has NEVER suffered fools gladly.

Don't you love the hypocrisy though?

Key reason stated was that "he looked good and sounded confident." This to me is a really sad statement when the wrapping is more important than the contents to the average American.

Ummmmm isn't that what got Obama the office in 2008 there Matthew?

It's going to be a Romney landslide. Especially after the next couple of debates. When the incumbent has no reason to give the people to cast their vote for him except to say "the other guy will ......"

He's already lost. 4 years and a record of failure attempting to be hidden by lies is not inspiring.

Sycophants aside, of course. It's always amusing to watch them parrot his lies.

How foolish is Ryan going to make Biden look?

Here's another poll:

http://militarytimes.com/news/2012/10/military-times-poll-romney-bests-obama-2-1-100712/

Willard says that......

I just read that if you look back 60 years

No, Willard ..... just look back 8-10 years.......try to be current. Tell us all what do you see!

Wow, thanks for the link. I always think the military polls are the true "heartbeat", if you will, of where we are at. Indeed I think Obama lost when his support among Independents (like myself) dropped to 27%. You can count me in the

Romney/Ryan 2012

I don't think our President will allow the challenger Myth get away with all the lies in the second meeting as in the first debate. How would you be if someone shook the Etch-A-Sketch so hard that his positions changed to something totally different from he had been expounding for the past year! The President was not prepared to debate an Etch-a-Sketch, it is like changing the debate topic without telling your opponent. The President will be prepared for this type of contingency in the next debate. The lies will not be tolerated. Besides, the PitBull Biden will chew the legs off of the Lying Ryan and reveal his surrogate master for what he is. That's what V.P.'s are for!

The media is reporting the lies Myth tried to get away with. The only folks who will side with Myth will be the same low information voters that would back him anyway (read Fox viewers). Anyone with a modicum of intelligence will vote for our current President and give him four more years to correct the damage done in the eight years of Bush/Chaney.

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So.....the Big o'Messiah was not prepared to debate? It makes me wonder what else is he not prepared for.

So libbies - this is what happens?

You all got to see your god bleed and now you figure out the emperor has no clothes?

Fantastic, but do try to keep up: the clothes in this case have no emperor.

It's like I have ben saying- Romney 53, O 47.

Hey chilled - too bad tat for so many they were doing way better 8-10 years ago, eh?

But hey, at least you are not paying %5.25 per gallon. Yep, progressive paradise strikes again. Summer blend for all I say.

Such it Moon Beam.

Take it to the bank.

Hey No JO - it really is sweet, is it not?

Say Pigotry - was Amb. Stevens in the 47%?

Cause O and Hillary sure didn't seem to give two Feisty's for him, right?

You mean "lies" like this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/08/harvey-rosen-obama-campaign_n_1948615.html

Kind of funny that Obama- who lied about the Embassy attack in Cairo- which was really about releasing the Blind Sheikh, not some obscure movie Obama, himself, marketed, in an attempt to deflect blame from himself- and the attack that cost the lives of four Americans in Libya, which was an al Queda attack- could accuse anybody of lying about anything at all.

Or that anybody with two brain cells to rub together to create a spark could believe him about anything at all. This is, after all, a man who lied about his own dying mother for political advantage.

That makes him about the lowest form of humanity known. What does it say about the blind fools who still hang on his every word?

Not much. Not much at all.

Hey, Spanky- long time no see.

I can only assume that there are hundreds of thousands of Californians who go to bed at night wondering just what the HELL they we're thinking when they voted for Governor Moonbeam.

Kind of like a couple million Obama voters- who can rectify that mistake in a couple of weeks.

Know a couple dozen personally. I told this board during the summer- when he lost my father, he lost. Big time.

If Romney was lying why did Obama just stand there and hang his head in shame?

Oh no Mr. Bill! I'm being double teamed by Snookie and the Spankster. Too bad Karl Marx Rove can't send his "A" team. LOL

Snookie, keep spreading your lies and spinning Myth anyway you can. Myth is racking up the lies so quickly, the faux lies you keep posting pale in comparison.

PS. CR I'm sure the President was prepared to debate Flip Myth, but to his chagrin Flop Myth showed up. You guys are pathetic.

Pathetic is not even bothering to address a blatant lie told by your cult idol.

Sadly, I doubt you can. There is help, though. I understand there are psychologists who specialize in retrieving the minds of those caught up in cults.

You need an intervention. Anyone in you family who might be able to help?

Handgrenade...

Maybe you missed it: Romney called Obama a liar to his face. If Obama is not a liar he should have defended himself. But he did not. He just stood there and hung his head in shame. Obama is the liar.

That was nothing, the lies about Libya are next and Obama is real trouble there.

BARRACK HUSSIEN OBAMA ...FAILED PRESIDENCY!!!

The first debate format sucked from the constant split screen to the moderator failing to ask follow-up questions to Romney being only an actor, not the real Romney. But it will be Romney who will suck in the Town Hall format, and gawd forbid he was fact checked on the spot. And by all means, let's all boo lower unemployment numbers, 'cuz hating America is apparently what Teapublicans want us all to do.

true -- the moderator did a great job. most of the talking was done by the two candidates -- and BO got more talk time. what's not to like about that?

Well, billy bob, what they don't seem to like is that, in the four and a half extra minutes Obama got, he made an ass of himself.

On national television.

Before an audience of over seventy million voters.

So, no, they don't like it. Not one little bit.

They are flailing round, desperately, trying to figure out whose fault it is.

Psssst- it's Obama's. They just do not want to know that.

Latest from the Pew Research Center, a generally left-wing organization:

"Mitt Romney no longer trails Barack Obama in the Pew Research Center’s presidential election polling. By about three-to-one, voters say Romney did a better job than Obama in the Oct. 3 debate, and the Republican is now better regarded on most personal dimensions and on most issues than he was in September. Romney is seen as the candidate who has new ideas and is viewed as better able than Obama to improve the jobs situation and reduce the budget deficit.

Fully 66% of registered voters say Romney did the better job in last Wednesday’s debate, compared with just 20% who say Obama did better. A majority (64%) of voters who watched the debate describe it as mostly informative; just 26% say it was mostly confusing.

In turn, Romney has drawn even with Obama in the presidential race among registered voters (46% to 46%) after trailing by nine points (42% to 51%) in September. Among likely voters, Romney holds a slight 49% to 45% edge over Obama. He trailed by eight points among likely voters last month."

Conservative Rebellion ...

It's going to be a Romney landslide.

And how sick, sad and wrong is that???? I understand you would vote for a rock before you'd vote for the President. By standing up and stating you endorse a man who has done NOTHING but lie during his entire campaign, you embarrass your party. The Republican party has become nothing but the party that will NOT go away! No new ideas, no new thoughts. Bush Romney has surrounded himself with no new advisers just the lame ol' "I got you into this mess" people. How foolish for those that hate the President so badly because of WHATEVER reason that you want to go back to the lame policies of the Republican party of old ....

For those of you wondering what all of this means ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9G8XREyG0Q

Watch the video ... 3 minutes out of your life .... it speaks the volumes I as a poster cannot.

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Kannin, while I agree with your quote as being what was said, how is Pew Research Center a "generally left-wing organization"?

So TruePat - Romney a big fake idiot, not but two feet from O's face, and yet all O could do was look down and utter to himself.

Yep, your god bled out, and you hate that.

The reason Pres. O did not perform well was really that the President was spent from celebrating his wedding anniversay with Michelle - a family man devoted to family, showing family values.

Okay- thank you for the best laugh I've hd all week.

Good grief.

TruePatriot-445959

The first debate format sucked from the constant split screen to the moderator failing to ask follow-up questions to Romney being only an actor, not the real Romney.

Do you libtards have no shame?!? LOL

"I don't like my outcome! I know! I'll blame the rules of the game! I'll blame my neighbors! I will cheat, piss & moan - stomp my feet, hold my breath & plug my ears until I get my way!"

Don't you libs ever get sick & tired of listening to yourselves b!tch?!?

NEWSFLASH! OBAMA LOSING BLACK VOTE TO ROMNEY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VJbnxhZmRk

Matthew - I apparently fell victim to the "big lie." I've often heard it referred to that way, and accepted it as true. I just did some of my own research and apparently Pew is not significantly biased one way or the other.

Pigotry - I gotta admit that is a new one. Obama showed himself as a bumbling incompetent and no excuse was too far-fetched for the left wing: It was the altitude. It was Romney's acting skill. Mitt was loud. Romney lied, and Obama was too much of a gentleman to call him on it. Obama was “off his game." I even heard one commenter suggest that Romney cheated by actually preparing for the debate. (Horrors)

But now, he "was spent from celebrating his wedding anniversary" Tell us Pigotry, how many times were required to turn Obama into a blithering idiot?

Oh Snookie, Snookie, Snookie...

A direct cut and paste from the article you link to in your post above:

The Obama campaign claims that a Princeton economist's findings support its assertions about Mitt Romney's tax plan, but the economist says that's not exactly true.

"Harvard economist Martin Feldstein and Princeton economist Harvey Rosen both concede that paying for Romney’s tax cuts would require large tax increases on families making between $100,000 and $200,000," the Obama campaign wrote in a press release on Sunday.

But Princeton economist Harvey Rosen's paper analyzing Romney's tax plan didn't exactly look at families making between $100,000 and $200,000. Instead, it analyzed families making more than $100,000 per year and families making more than $200,000 per year. The second group is part of the first group, and Rosen did not separate the two.

Rosen told the Weekly Standard in an email that he felt that the Obama campaign misrepresented the paper on a broader level too. "I can’t tell exactly how the Obama campaign reached that characterization of my work," he wrote in an email to the publication.

Rosen's paper did find that families making more than $100,000 per year would have to pay $81 billion more in taxes under Romney's tax plan, a 12 percent increase. But his paper did not explicitly say whether these families, whose incomes he assumes would be rising, would actually pay a higher tax rate.

Rosen's conclusion that Romney's tax plan is mathematically possible rests on a questionable assumption: namely that Romney's tax cuts for the rich would lead to robust economic growth. In fact, economic growth sharply slowed during the Bush administration, when President George W. Bush cut taxes for the rich. Brad DeLong, economics professor at the University of California at Berkeley, also notes that President Ronald Reagan's tax cuts for the rich did not lead to much stronger economic growth either.

A number of analysts, including those at the Tax Policy Center, have found that Romney's tax plan would have to raise taxes on the middle class in order to be mathematically possible. But Rosen may not be in that category. His analysis first would need to separate middle-class families from rich families for us to know.

Can you look past a headline and maybe read the article? If only your reading comprehension was equal to your ability to be stupid.

The bolded parts of the article above shows that the interpretation of the data may be different between the two parties involved, but Rosen needs to define rich and middle class. Is middle class to you someone making $250,000 a year? The median income in the U.S. is more like $50,000 a year.

Romney and Ryan lie each time they get on a stage in front of an audience. Then the campaign refutes what they say in a Tweet that no one is going to read. Romney is so two faced, you never know what is going to come out of his mouth from one moment to the next and you expect the informed citizens of America to trust someone of that ilk? Trusting Romney is truly pathetic. He is an egomaniac, the GOP is full of misogynists and GOPers like Braun of GA and Aiken of MO are the equivalent of the Christian Taliban.

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Holy stupidity handgrande.

Or how about this - please explain "Christian Taliban."

Please, it'll be a real hoot I am sure.

Plus, I bet you came up with that all your own, right Markos?

HAHA!

Romney's doing it too!

First we had the 'Birthers', and when that loony B.S. didn't get the GOP the traction they so desperately wanted, they invented new 'conspiracies', like 'The White House Plot To Undermine The Second Amendment', 'The White House Plot To Destroy Right-Wing Think Tanks', and 'The John Roberts, Manchurian Justice' conspiracy.

Someone called this latest group of accusers of malfeasance on the part of the BLS 'The 'Welchers'.

Romney had better watch his mouth. His lips are flappin' fast, but all he does is spew lies. He isn't winning any votes from the employees at the Bureau of Labor Statistics, that's for sure.

What an a$$...

Willard Romney is NOT presidential material.

Re-elect the team that has moved us forward! VOTE OBAMA/ BIDEN!

Talk to the Hand

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And Beverly @ #1.1, do you know something we don't?

Do you know what a typo is?

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Obama/Biden 2012

Romney hopes unemployment will go down in Jan. 2013, because he has no plan to help our economy grow.

"Drill, baby, drill" assumes that oil and gas companies can expand exploration and production in the short run. This is highly unlikely.

However, the reality is far different. The number of geologists and engineers needs to increase and last time I checked it took 4 years of college education and another 3 years apprenticing before new geologists and engineers can do the job here.

The number of drilling rigs also needs to increase. Pipelines need to be built.

Here in PA, we had a gas drilling boom due to fracking technology. The gas companies came in and bought up the rights to natural gas from property owners and proceeded to drill and frack. Our Republican Governor refused to support a severance tax like they have in Texas ($900 million revenue) and other states. Gas production soared, prices collapsed, and they stopped drilling here waiting for prices to recover. The free market is very inefficient at maximizing growth and utilization of our energy resources. Government involvement is necessary for improvement in this.

Many PA residents to not have access to natural gas because nobody planned for pipelines to small towns across PA. The severance tax revenue could have subsidized gas line expansion here in PA and our PA government could have worked on a plan for this with natural gas and pipeline companies. This would have increased consumption of natural gas and reduced severity of price collapse and drilling would continue here. Increased tax revenue could also have been used to plan and supervise safer drilling and fracking.

"Drill, baby, drill" represents a hope for the future. It is not a plan. The world oil market will absorb any "cheaper" oil there is and make it more expensive (market price). The expanding world population and a rising standard of living worldwide will suck up increases in production. Oil prices will continue to climb with "drill, baby, drill". And global warming's effects on climate change will only increase too.

Take the short run impact of "drill, baby, drill" from Romney's plan for economic growth and he's got nothing left but hope.

Hope is Romney's plan for economic growth. HOPE's all he's got.

Mitt Romney will carry the state of Virginia, rain soaked or otherwise.

Just like how you predicted Bob "Vaginal Probe" McDonnell would be Willard's VP pick... eh... probe boy? lmao

Say, how about you tell us how Mr. Macaca is going to beat Tim Kaine, I feel like a fairy-tale!

Feisty, you were razzing me and spiking the football a few months ago, based on NBC polls showing Obama allegedly up by 9 points in Virginia.....premature celebration, wasnt it?

Do you still predict Obama will win Va by 9 points?

I am not a big fan of George Allen, so wont predict he will win.

Feisty, you were razzing me and spiking the football a few months ago, based on NBC polls showing Obama allegedly up by 9 points in Virginia.....premature celebration, wasnt it?

Hmmm... for some reason, I don't recall your claim - care to back it up?

If I were YOU, I would be hauling your crystal ball into the repair shop...

Tell us, how does it feel to be consistently WRONG? lol

Do YOU work at it or does it come naturally like the rest of you nitwits?

Can't back it up Fisty. Your history goes into oblivion, admittedly by your choice, for just such an occasion.

Sure Probe Bob, LOL. I hope that Cantor gets shown the door and the GOPer Senate candidate Macaque gets laughed out of the election.

I find it A F*ING MAZING that when the numbers .. .jobs or polls are for the PRESIDENT, the RWNJs go through the roof with conspiracy theories and who said what and it was registered, non-registered ... blah, blah, blah.

I have YET to see any of those that are voting for Mitt Romney specifically say why they support their lying through his teeth candidate.

You all jump on the "we'd vote for a rock but not Obama bandwagon." Definitely shows intelligence.

I'm for MY President. Recovery is slow ... but it is steady and there is no way on this planet that a presidency would be accepted and favored by the people of the United States or our allies if it was little Mitten's. No Mitt. You and Ann DON'T deserve a turn!

Obama/Biden 2012

God laws GF!!!! The Bubblegum fairy is in love with you! ;-)

Obama/Biden 2012

Wasn't it Fisty who predicted Obama would rout Romney in a debate? Seems like her crystal ball is as dumb as she is.

Red Headed Slut -> an excellent cocktail

according to democrats women's politics and votes are ONLY related to those issues directly tied to their vagina, and vaginas don't speak.

SO unemployment, wars, Tax's, etc, etc are off limits for democratic women and can only be discussed by Republican women (we tend to ignore the Vagina issues according to you).

Stick to your "WOMENS ISSUES" aka Vagina Issues which are (according to Debbie Wasserman_schultz) .. abortion, and free birth control..

joshua

Mitt Romney, President Obama has worked very hard on behalf of the American people to get them back to work. Very hard.

What have you done? Lived the life of a rich aristocrat while people were suffering; while your party did nothing.

That's one thing I can say about Republicans that is pretty consistent. They have no loyalty to anyone in this country, so why would they show any loyalty to our president?

They sold themselves as the responsible party.

Well, I have news for you. President Obama and the democrats have been the responsible ones ever since the recession began.

The only thing the GOP did was point fingers. The same GOP who handed we the people their mess.

Robert Creamer, Huffington Post:

Romney massively damaged whatever ability he might have had to broker Middle East peace were he elected president by theorizing that the economic difficulties of Palestinians stemmed from their inferior "culture."

On his visit to Poland, Romney received the endorsement of former Polish President and Solidarity leader Lech Walesa. The Polish Solidarity union itself -- with which Walesa is no longer associated -- responded by issuing a statement attacking Romney as an enemy of working people.

America simply can't afford to have a president who is a bull in a china closest careening around the world insulting people and making enemies. As Obama campaign spokesperson Jennifer Psaki put it, "he's been fumbling the foreign policy football from country to country."

And he has fumbled not just in failing to show diplomatic skill -- but also when he has tried to demonstrate policy expertise. In explaining his theory that Palestinian economic difficulties resulted from their "culture," Romney cited the difference between the per capital Gross Domestic Product of Israel and the Palestinian territories. "....for instance," he said, " in Israel, which is about $21,000, and compare that with the GDP per capital just across the areas managed by the Palestinian Authority, which is more like $10,000."

But he didn't even get that right. Not even close. In fact, according to the World Bank, Israeli per capita GDP is $31,282 compared to only $1,600 for the Palestinian areas.

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If Romney wins, say goodbye to whatever good is left of the United States of America.

He is a bad person. The whole world sees it.

Oh, Mitty, you funny guy, you!

Who has worked harder to increase the unemployment rate than YOU! It was all fun and games, there is a picture of you and your happy, happy buddies with cash hanging all over you, so PLEASED with yourselves for having "harvested" another company, putting hardworking Americans out of work. As long as YOU made money, and you could buy Queen Ann another $200,000+ "therapy horse," why, it was just @!$%# and giggles, wasn't it?

God, Mitty, your real name is "HYPOCRISY!"

Romney says he will win because he doesn't know enough to get out of the rain. It is unbelievable that Romney gets a bump for giving the president a staring smirk, getting obnoxious with the moderator and the President of the United States, and most of all, lying again and again. What a way to run a campaign! Lie to the electorate!

I can't wait for the next debate. Biden will rip lyin' Ryan a new one.

Hi, Wayne!

Hey pat,,I am a conservative republican, BUT,,,,I hope Obama does in fact win. 30 years in the marine corp I am very cash solvent, and home and cars paid for thanks to the down economy and home forclosures. All I want to do is to get you on record stating that Obama can fix his mess with 4 more years? Do you care to go on record and state that? Or when the country goes to hell with obamacare (within 2 years) will you still blame republicans and bush? Just want to know if 4 years is enough or in 4 years from now when we are in a depression and 25 trillion in debt to china and gas is 8 per gallon you will then admit obama was wrong...Just want you on record, I am very patient, but if your going to continue to blame obama and republicans after 8 years of socialism,, whats the point... So Pat is 4 more years enough?... Sure hope so, good news is he will be the last democrat president for the next century if your wrong.....but honestly, who you going to blame???or will you stand by the illusion that he just needs more time? send your response when you can and I will email you in 4 years,,(more than likely 2 years) but I'll give you the 4 years for arguments sake....

You going to demand that the Republicans JOIN in the effort to repair the economy, jarhead? They own it.

Hi Newday! Good to see you!

You too, Wayne!

If Romney wins, say goodbye to whatever good is left of the United States of America.

He is a bad person. The whole world sees it

Obama wrapped the idiot vote up months ago. Unfortunately, for him, they are not enough and the only ones voting for him this time.

God. I love people like smitty, who believe that there can be EIGHT YEARS of an Administration, who trashed the nation's economy, as well as our standing in the world and then....

That Administration magically didn't exist.

And somehow, the next administration is supposed to fix it all in one term. Which Romney has said is impossible to do.

Pretty delusional, what?

Keep telling yourself that Smith, you have short term memory problems plus from other post I have read of yours you suffer from delusions of grandeur.

Here is what we could expect to see with a Romney presidency

1. War in Syria and Iran. It's good business for himself and his buddies.
2. Tax cuts for the wealthy, no matter what he says in "debates."
3. The middle class will pay more in taxes because of an absence of writeoffs for mortgages and children.
4. Those in poverty will have to choose between food, rent, medicine, or paying taxes.
5. Women will lose the right to control their own bodies and will again get second rate pay.
6. Thanks to new wars on the credit card, the deficit will explode.
7. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid will become a thing of the past. the health care system would collapse after Obamacare is thrown out and no plan from Romney is even attempted.
8. The Food Stamp program will die, and so will hungry Americans.
9. American oil companies will continue to get subsidies while Americans starve.
10. Mitt Romney would be a one termer.
11. Next, Romney would move out of the White House in disgrace and move into the same gated community as Bush.

Good list Wayne. I agree with every point and I'll add one more:

11. All government entities including the USPS will be privatized with Myth's buddies running the show and collecting the profits.

Thanks Holy Handgrenade! I forgot this one:

Public Schools will be privatized, increasing local taxes to pay the corporate interests who take over. Good teachers will go on to more lucrative employment when their wages are reduced to pay for the corporate master's profits.

Public Schools will be privatized, increasing local taxes to pay

That's about as ignorant as it gets.

Just another voucher program from the Vulture and the Voucher team GOPer.

Conservatives want to privatize public education because they can't see why we should allow any institution to exist that doesn't turn a profit. They see a huge potential in ridding the country of public schools. This explains their constant attacks on public schools and teacher's unions. Of course, teacher's unions traditionally support Democratic candidates, and republicans can't allow that either. It all fits.

It's still an ignorant statement.

Is that your only response? It would kill your taxes! Most of the money wouldn't even make it to the kids.

Conservative Rebellion ....

According to your post ...

Obama wrapped the idiot vote up months ago

Well then Mittens definitely wrapped up the "a lie? a flip? DUUUHHHRRRR" vote the minute he stepped on the national stage.

Please do us all a favor and tell us why you are so enamored of this shell of a human?

Obama/Biden 2012

We also like BIG BIRD !!!!

Yep let's jump on that imaginary creature bandwagon. That's all you got and you know it.

Unemployment hit 8% in February of 2009? Whose fault is that? We lost 650,000 jobs in December of 2008 and 775,000 in January of 2009. Whose fault is that? Here's a little question for all of those Romneyites out there. Let's say you have a CEO and your company starts losing money. You are losing about $800,000 a month when the board says goodbye to the old CEO. The new CEO comes in and makes some changes. You lose $700K in the new CEO's first month, but ten months later the company makes its first profit in almost two years. Then three months after that, the company consistently makes money every month - averaging $150,000 a month for thirty months. You give the new CEO a bonus, right?? Or do you fire the new CEO and hire another hack who has the exact same philosophy as the old loser CEO??

Maybe Romney should put out an ad about this

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57527659/ex-u.s-security-team-leader-in-libya-we-needed-more-not-less-security-staff/

I suppose Obama cn always blame all of this on Hillary. I hope he does.

Then Bill Clinton will, figuratively, squash Obama like a bug.

Of course Obama will eventually blame Hillary, but not until after the election because even if Obama wins a 2d term, Hillary does not and will not be the Secretary of State, so Hillary will be thrown under the bus. You know that Obama will not do the right thing and take any responsibility for the attacks and deaths, he's to busy campaigning and raising money.

The cover up on the attacks of our consulate was one of the biggest fiasco's from this Administration. It is just another example of the incompetence of Obama's foreign policy.

Why no jo: so you believe that your crush Hillary is to blame for the attacks? Terrible way to treat the person you care about above all others!

NDD- I don't believe no jo believes Hillary was to blame for the attacks, just that Obama will place the blame on Hillary instead of taking the responsibility himself. Of course we all know that Obama lacks leadership and only plays the blame game.

Ugh really? Nothing ever changes here except the handles, and the democrat obfuscations to facts and truth. But to NoJo's point, hmmmm let's see the STATE DEPT classified this as a TERRORIST ATTACK the day after it happened. 9/12/12

And Obama's admin REFUSED to allow the State Dept press coordinator (Victoria something or other) go on the Sunday talk shows and tell the truth. Obama's team decided that sending out Susan Rice to LIE was a better option (and in all fairness to Ms Rice, she was parroting the line she was told to parrot, no more no less).

Obama tries to blame Hilary for this, and you will get a repeat of Bill Clinton's stump speech for his lovely wife Hil in SC on 07. The takeaway quote from that was "Yeah they tried to use the race card on me too".

Politics may make strange bedfellows but that doesn't mean Bill won't crush Obama. Like a cockroach.

Sorry, Sfcret, you are wrong.

no jo has been bitterly complaining about that which is above her ken to understand (since most things are.) She has been vindictive on the attack of the Embassy, and guess who holds the portfolio for it?

Her crush, Hillary.

As a FRIEND of VILERAT who DIED in this attack, you should be ashamed of yourself NewDay. Really NO ONE'S blood is partisan. Vilerat died in SERVICE to this country.

And if this president did not have a D after his name, you would be SCREAMING for answers.

But I fear you've lost the capacity for shame a long time ago. Right around when you lost your integrity, ability to think for yourself, and oh yeah your secret treehouse where you made what kind of human you are well known.

PS I am no one's Ken. I'm female for one, and trade jokes with No Jo on DC and Jim Treacher's blog. Mostly I stay away from FR because I can actually hear the brain cells scream before they die trying to understand the twisted logic and reality it takes to be a liberal.

Lastly JFK would be ASHAMED of you and your ilk. And Obama ain't no JFK or Bill Clinton.

Isn't it funny halo?

I just don't care what a limited intelligence partisan like you thinks.

But I love the fact that I can make someone like you nuts by simply posting what I believe. How, well, paranoid of you!

But, oh my God, I will laugh the rest of the night "I am no one's "Ken"...I am a female....." That is HYSTERICAL!

You are not quite au fait are you?

ndD this one is for you:

I am a liberal Progressive….

Those who oppose me are ignorant…I am superior and enlightened, and my
absence of faith only strengthens my feelings, and feelings are everything.

I am a Liberal Progressive….

I am allowed to criticize and defame all who disagree with my life. The sun
is my God and the Moon my mother, beyond that…all else is irrelevant, until I
decide it matters.

Making light the death of a friend of mine, is bound to infuriate me. If you were an actual human being you would have the same reaction.

That you try to get me banned, by claiming "someone's Ken" and thusly someone's alternative account, is typical of the "tolerance" the left preaches. Which is ZERO unless it meets, lockstep with that particular liberals worldview.

It still does not change one iota of what I posted, not one thing. That you cannot refute one single thing I posted says a lot about you NewDay. Quite a lot and none of it good.

NO ONE'S DEATH IS FUNNY. PERIOD. Clear enough for you?

@Talk to the Hand

Chivalry is something I thought had long gone out of fashion.

And I thank you, not just for backing up my point but for caring enough to get in the middle of that and hoist NewDay on his own on petard.

STILL laughing! Halo, dear, let me say this in as kind a way as I can;

You need help. First, with language, and then with comprehension.

Honest to God, your reaction to a simple word is the funniest damn thing I have EVER seen!

Let's try this again: does it occur to you that you do not know the usage of the word "ken"? No, I am going to let it go. I can't wait to see what poor Halo decides it means next!

halo- You are welcome and I love doing it. Most times when you get them they disappear and go on to another thread. I just can't stand the bullying nature of most of the minion libs on here that follow Fisty's lead and think they are superior thinkers. If you analyze the posts, it seems they all have talking points that are consistent. You have to hand them one thing though, they do dig for the copy and pastes from their "sources" and ready them for when the time is right to post.

Well there's two ways to take this BUT FIRST let's point out

YOU MADE FUN OF THE DEATH OF A FRIEND OF MINE

Now on the "ken" thing

1. No Jo is "Barbie" and I am "Ken"

2. You are PRETENDING to be a Scot thus "ken" means to understand.

Either way, the ONLY person who needs help is YOU NewDay. For making fun of the death of a friend of mine, as well as your countrymen.

Good for YOU, halo, you looked the word up! Did you have to have someone read it to you and explain it?

And way to prove, yet again, how the low information conservative is slightly paranoid, thinking the WHOLE world is out to get them and take what they believe belongs to them

Now. Go back. Suss through the thread, and see how you insinuated yourself into the conversation!

Because here is something you will not be able to understand, halo, being as unimaginative and lacking the insight of your own motivations:

NOT EVERY THING IS ABOUT YOU!

"no jo is Barbie and I am Ken," really? Does no jo know about this?

ndD you are just too easy to analyze:

I am a Liberal Progressive…

You cannot harm me, but can praise me…in praise, I will accept you as a
subordinate, but never equal…for you can never understand my
"feelings".

I Am a Liberal Progressive…

I think therefore I am superior. My values will change daily, for core
beliefs are fluid and must not impede my growth…. It is the feeling that
matters and not the deed.

I am a Liberal Progressive….

My heroes are flawed and I see it not, for their faults were of good
intentions, but, the results of my idols, though unimpressive, will remain in
my soul as worthy attempts at something wished for…. and the hope, not the
deed, is all that matters

@Talk to the Hand

For a long time I just stopped posting here. Between people's personal attacks, insults and other childish behavior, I have no time or patience to deal with them. I know a few people's handles here, from reading HuffyPoo and the Caller and Treacher's blog so when No Jo posted the libs here were on fire, well I had to check in.

And yeah, they get the talking points from the 'TPM", HuffyPoo and Media Matters. I am happy to have a real debate about policy anytime, but the libs here do not want that. They want carte blanche to trash anyone who does not agree with them. That I think is the big difference between independents (I am and I am voting for MR) and republicans.

PS I love your profile pic. Too bad this has been a lot longer than a three hour tour.

Yup, typical character assassination from someone's whose character DESERVES to be assassinated. When did you suddenly become a Scot?

Ooops did you guys leave the treehouse open again???

"Looks like a veiled threat at retribution to me from the Libs R Us group to poor Carrie for not toeing the party line"

oops better get Dennis on that. It's funny Dems complain about "chilling effects" yet they are responsible for not 1 but 2 DMCA complaints. Typical liberal "tolerance"

Halo3v- I don't know what NDD said because I have had her on ignore almost since she came back- but. . .

She disappeared for a long time after being challenged, in a former incarnation, to explain herself. It was posited that "character is what is exhibited when no one is looking.". What did SHE do, when no one was looking.

That ran her off with her tail between her legs for quite some time.

I don't think her character has improved much since then.

Poor halo, you are embarrassed at being caught out like that, aren't you? Yes, I can see where it is difficult to make a complete and utter fool out of yourself on a world wide blog, but think of the gift of laughter that you have given so many people tonight? I know that I have not quite recovered from the thing. Really, it is like one of those emails you get, about how people write these foolish things in response to inquiries from state agencies. Oops, I suppose that hit a little too close to home, right halo?

Let me help you out, dear. I do hate so see you so distressed by this rather ridiculous contretemps that you have inadvertently embroiled yourself.

Here is how you bail yourself out: Feel quite free to copy and paste this into your own post:

Newday, I did not understand the word that you used, and so I went on a ridiculous tirade, making myself look foolish to all and sundry. I do so heartily apologize.

There, don't you feel better?

Thanks No Jo, appreciate it. NewDay isn't fooling anyone here, except her other hive mind minions.

Poor poor no jo! My goodness lying will not get you into heaven, will it?

But, how I love that you can't read what I post, but attack anyway.

Bit of a coward, what?

I STILL want to know when you suddenly became Scottish? Also, since when did "ken" become a fashionable word to use in US?

Really, you LOST THE ARGUMENT and your mincing of words to disguise this is frickin transparent. A lot more transparent than the attack in Libya or the DEATH OF MY FRIEND.

Oh, halo, you are still trying so hard not to look foolish are you not?

The only way to fix this, dear is to make a clean breast of it.

"ken" is a word that educated people use.

I suppose that is why you have not heard of it!

OMG LOL

EPIC FAIL

Since "educated" people use the word UNDERSTAND cause they aren't so LAZY they need to abbreviate, understand?

Capiche???

"ken" is a word that educated people use.

Because they think it is so damned cool to use as they know it may be a code word that only liberal/progressives would even want to use. Most would use "understanding" or your comprehension but no, you have to create a buzzword that makes no sense to anyone but your secret "club". Your coolness is only exceeded by your incessant need to feel superior.

Yes, of course, poor halo, I can see where you are still trying to make excuses for yourself. I can quite understand that using words above your ken, would offend you, and make you proffer excuses for the rest of the night.

The trouble is, the trail you have left is simply too convincing. We all know what you are!

But, I still recommend simply admitting to it. You will look much more honest and aboveboard.

As if that were possible!

Oh, one more thing, dear halo, the word "ken" is quite British.

Talk to the Hand- they need to be "cool". It's all they've got.

They cannot possibly address the deaths of four Americans who begged for extra security, and were denied by an administration so clueless that the belief that the whole world swoons before Obama's awesomeness permeates every security decision.

They cannot possibly address the reality that our Cairo Embassy was attacked by people Obama helped take power- who now want the Blind Sheikh released.

Nor can they even remotely address the issue of Obama's possible ignorance of these events- because he does not bother to attend intelligence briefings- he's too busy campaigning.

And fundraising- he jetted off to Vegas the day the Libyan attack resulted in the deaths of four Americans.

They will not mention Obama blowing off world leaders in favor of appearing on The View.

Or blowing off Netanyahu because he had to show up on Letterman.

Or GDP limping along at 1.3%.

Or his epic fail at a debate for which he could not be bothered to prepare.

So, what have they got? Well, like high school losers who see themselves as the "cool kids"- they have a treehouse. Where they talk to each other about how cool they are.

They are pathetic. In a couple of weeks, they're going to wish the virtual drinks were real.

Poor no jo... are you still feeling left out, dear? Still angry that people make friends here and you cannot? Still envious of the "cool kids"?

I have never understood what it is with the fringe right wing and their inability to make friends and their vindictive jealousy of those who do.

I suppose it does not occur to you that you could OPEN YOUR OWN CHAT AND INVITE PEOPLE TO JOIN IT?

Nah, that would be too real. You might actually have to be kind and play well with others.

Something that you cannot seem to do.

Oh, one more thing, dear halo, the word "ken" is quite British.

Oh, and how new world order of you.

And trust me, nojo has plenty of friends rather than sheep that blindly follow until the going gets tough. You libs, and especially here on FR, gather, attack, and feel good about your inability to have to listen to differing opinions and try to have an intelligent exchange of ideas. Gang mentality. Hmmmm, could that be from your Chicago politics base? I wonder.

NewDay

I have only a two word phrase for you. And I am already sure you ken (!omg) what it is.

You mocked the death of a friend of mine, all while trying to play "cool kid". The only one looking like a fool here is you. For mocking the death of an ambassador, a friend and two Navy SEALS.

Instead, in the typical liberal fashion - lie, spin, deflect, obfuscate, and YOU choose to play word games?!?!

Of course, you can pretend to be a Scot/Brit and type like one. It doesn't make you anything other than a typical buzzword liberal. Who MOCKS death as long as they think they can get something out of it. Who mocks anyone who disagrees with them. Who mocks the average American who is struggling in this economy, with this stupid argument over a dumbass word, ken?

According to dictionary it is a SCOTTISH word, so much for it being a word for the "educated", if you are so educated how did you not know it was Scottish of descent?

Go back to the lunch table with the cool kids. The rest of us have graduated high school a long time ago. Because turning this into a word game, is exactly what I expect of a KNOW NOTHING, UNEDUCATED, TAKE MY TALKING POINTS AND REGURGITATE THEM liberal like you.

American voters will prove you and your cult wrong.

Oh my God, this just keeps getting funnier and funnier,

So now "ken" is a code word for liberals? Talkie old boy, I think you have hit on the answer to it.

Sorry though, not going to dumb down language to make you comfortable.

You are simply going to have to try to keep up!

Poor halo, and here you tried to pretend that you didn't have to look the word up. Actually, the word has descent from Old English, which I have studied.

But, I am enjoying your frantic efforts to prove that you are correct. It amuses me greatly, and your loss of composure is measure of how lost you feel.

I still think you have to go back to the solution I gave you. One can make a clean breast of things and people will think better, nay, they will think "my goodness, what an honest person, I should be more like her."

Do give it a try, won't you?

Put Romney in the White House and we'll have alot more than four deaths to mourn. The man is on such a mission to start a new war, he's beside himself. Every country in the Middle East he mentions, it's like, "They are not doing what we want. They are not kowtowing appropriately. They need to bow down or be bombed. Obama is weak because he won't bomb them. Why won't somebody bomb these mfs? It's because Obama is not really an American. A real American would bomb them."

Enough. I have to work tomorrow at a real job and can't take the liberal/progressive spin anymore. ndD you are truly a sheep and have dug into your bag of comments and put downs and oppressive statements enough. Do me a favor. Do like all of your minions do and put me on ignore. You can't and won't be changed. After all you can be described in a couple of short pages:

The Liberal Credo:

I am a Liberal Progressive….

My purpose is to feel good and righteous thoughts,

My goal is make others believe I care; though I often do not participate,
but often judge others for their not doing so.

I am a Liberal Progressive….

My heroes are flawed and I see it not, for their faults were of good
intentions, but, the results of my idols, though unimpressive, will remain in
my soul as worthy attempts at something wished for…. and the hope, not the
deed, is all that matters.

I Am a Liberal Progressive…

I think therefore I am superior. My values will change daily, for core
beliefs are fluid and must not impede my growth…. It is the feeling that
matters and not the deed.

I am a liberal Progressive….

Those who oppose me are ignorant…I am superior and enlightened, and my
absence of faith only strengthens my feelings, and feelings are everything.

I am a liberal Progressive…

The less fortunate are my tools…. they are absent of my worth…. and are
everyone's responsibility but mine…. for, I think, therefore I care. I will
strive to cast guilt on all who disagree, while preaching openness as a vessel
of communication.

I am a Liberal Progressive…

I hate God, and those who worship him. My lord is myself, and I know best
how to solve the ills of that which I condemn, only myself will not be lowered
to that end…yet, I say I care and that is enough.

I am a Liberal Progressive….

I will defend all that is comfortable and fight all that is difficult. The
enemy of my lifestyle is the one who does not agree with my caring thoughts.
Without my opinion, there can be no openness.

I am a Liberal Progressive….

I will follow the rules of anything that best describes my emotions. My
heart is filled with my perceived sorrow of those who are victims, and though I
bleed for them, the fact that I care, is enough to put me above them. I care,
and that is all I need to do, to be righteous. I expect others will help
them…..my feelings are enough to satisfy my heart. And I can do no more, nor do
I need too.

I am a Liberal Progressive…

Whatever I feel is what is real. The baseless instincts of responsibility
are a burden on my brother, for he is due, without merit, and my feelings and
his need will be rewarded with unearned but due riches.

I am a Liberal Progressive….

I am allowed to criticize and defame all who disagree with my life. The sun
is my God and the Moon my mother, beyond that…all else is irrelevant, until I
decide it matters.

I am a Liberal Progressive…

You cannot harm me, but can praise me…in praise, I will accept you as a
subordinate, but never equal…for you can never understand my
"feelings".

My world is all that matters and those who deny it are racists and bigots. I
am perfect.

I am a Liberal Progressive….

If I run naked through a Christian church, it is their hate that will not
accept it, but, when a Godly person attempts to display a moral cross of
judgment on my parade…I will strike him down as a bigot. Only I can make right,
the truth.

I am a Liberal Progressive….

I love life….up to and when, it interferes with my own….I will not allow a
cell mass to dictate my choice of movies and music….for my future is what
matters…and my happiness is above a genetic mistake.

And you are more than welcome to share this with your liberal friends here on FR. I am sure it will serve to reinforce your perceived importance (or should I say impotence) in the real world.

Understand this New Day, you got NOTHING. Not one solid policy point or single accomplishment of Obama's you can tout.

(And Heaven knows, you and Feisty and Clara never tried to pretend I was No Jo's other account, no not you ever.)

All you have is one word. That's it. Just one word. Funny isn't it, too bad you personally could not have distracted the rest of America from Obama's p*sspoor debate performance by using a word no one give's a rat's keester about.

Do get it yet? Or are you that in love with your supposed "intelligence" that you've lost whatever ability to have a normal conversation, one without buzzwords to make you look cool?
Ken?

Put you on ignore, Talkie old fellow? Why ever would I do such a thing?

You amuse me greatly. I love the smell of paranoia in the morning!

@Talk to the Hand

For us educated types ;-)

To set a gloss on faint deeds, hollow welcomes,
Recanting goodness, sorry ere 'tis shown;
But where there is true friendship, there needs none.

Good evening and thank you again

oh halo, dear, you are wandering far afield. I would certainly make an effort to rein myself in at this point. One might begin to suspect that you are not operating efficiently on all cylinders.

Suspect you are no jo? That is the FUNNIEST thing yet!

No, sorry hon, I have not had much interest in what you have written. Simply haven't notice you at all, until you decided you were Ken and no jo was Barbie.

Which still makes me laugh.

But, tell you what, since you are starting to bore me senseless, and since I have barn work I must attend to, why don't we allow you to have the last word?

That way, you can pretend that you won! Isn't that exciting?

I consider that absolute fair play for the mirth you have provided this night!

So, the floor is yours!

halo3v ...

Understand this New Day, you got NOTHING. Not one solid policy point or single accomplishment of Obama's you can tout.

Bolding a comment does not make it any more relevant ....

• Obama has overhauled the food safety system
• Advanced women's rights in the work place
• Ended Don't Ask, Don't Tell (DADT) in our military
• Stopped defending DOMA in court.
• Passed the Hate Crimes bill.
• Appointed two pro-choice women to the Supreme Court.
• Expanded access to medical care and provided subsidies for people who can't afford it.
• Expanded the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
• Fixed the preexisting conditions travesty [and rescissions] in health insurance.
• Invested in clean energy.
• Overhauled the credit card industry, making it much more consumer-friendly.
• While Dodd-Frank bill was weak in many respects, it was still an extremely worthwhile start at re-regulating the financial sector.
• He created a Elizabeth Warren's dream agency: The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
• He's done a lot for veterans
• He got help for people whose health was injured during the clean-up after the 9/11 attacks

And I just googled the short list ....

http://obamaachievements.org/

Knock yourself silly on the source (I did a fast, quick one.) The fact is this President has done A LOT!

Obama/Biden 2012

Ah, Layton m'dear, you gave poor halo too much information!

She is still working on the word "ken".

Night! ; )

Sweet dreams NDD! :-)

I discovered tonight that when you use the bullets or numbers thing in posting you get BIG fonts! I apologize for that and to all that I've called that out on before. Life is simpler and a helluva lot calmer with easy to read FONTS! :)

Obama/Biden 2012

I consider that absolute fair play for the mirth you have provided this night!

NDD,

AWESOME job schooling Barbie & Ken! lmao!

PS: I see where Snookie-Joe no longer has you on ignore either!

That was HYSTERICAL, Feisty! I do believe halo wins post of the week!

Nah, no jo likes to read both of our posts and pretend that she doesn't do it.

Fine with me!

But, this from halo: "no jo is Barbie and I am Ken" seriously... what the heck?

Nah, no jo likes to read both of our posts and pretend that she doesn't do it.

Old Snookie is so starved for attention she can't resist! ;o)

I do not recall Mormons crashing a plane into the Twin Towers or murdering any Ambassadors. Nice try to spin and churn a religion lefty, but you cannot cheat honest people.

My post was about Romney and Mormonism. Gee, I thought I was an independent after voting for Bush twice. Some of you are so far to the right that the center appears left to you. You do bring up a valid point and certainly I'm not going to defend lying, murdering, Muslims. It illustrates, however, the evil that can come from religion. And it was not until the last 50 years or so that Islamists have had their terrorist reputation. Evidently opportunity is important, and things can change. So where is your problem with finding out what secret promises Romney has made to the Mormon church? Are you a Mormon? Don't you want to know what this guy believes, and not the lies he's put out for public consumption? I sure as hell do- this guy could have his finger on the nuclear button. Now, that's frightening. Obama is a proven commodity and will I take him over Romney.

Tell that to the people who where massacre by the mormons at the Mountain Meadows Massacre !

Wow? your honestly comparing mormon beliefs to sheria law? I retired 30 years from the Marine Corp and 7 years deployed in the middle east. Do you really understand how women are treated there? Can you honestly believe what you just wrote? Here is a TRUE story, 3 marines stopped a man from beating his wife in public, 2 days later the same woman was hanging from her feat naked obviously rapped and severly beaten and a small log plunged in her vagina. AND this is not against the law.....or even punished and this is also not unusual. You can imagine marines in country blaming themselve's for this womans obvious demise. How dare you compare or even place Mr Romney and his religious beliefs with these people.. just plain shame on you..and by the way, the Romney's and just his congregation have donated over 30 million to charity in the last 5 years. And the majority was to women and childrens charities. Mr Romney also 'GAVE" away to charity his fathers entire fortune to charity, he started his business career from scratch. If you don't really know the man please keep your offensive bs to yourself. If you don't like him as a capatilist fair enough its america and your welcome to your voice, but you say what you did is just plain wrong... and shame on you..there are many women in the middle east that would enjoy your freedoms..maybe just the one freedom of freedom and not being property of their fathers and then their husbands....shame on you...

Jarhead42

You have two AWESOME posts on this thread alone. I, as an independent, humbly thank you.

Amen to that halo and jar.

I don't like the idea that Romney puts his religion ahead of his allegiance to the USA

And you know this how? Rhetorical. You don't. Just another brain dead Obamanoid spewing his stupidity for all the world to laugh at.

Thank you. I got a good chuckle.

Like the other brainless drone referencing something that happened 160 years ago. TFF.

B White ... you and I both know that it takes intelligence to actually seek out the character of a man prior to voting for him to represent our country. Talk and Conservative prefer NOT to do any due diligence and instead rely on their beloved FOX network to do that for them. Shame on them and sad for the country.

Obama/Biden 2012

So to jarhead and conservative rebellion and anyone else: I presume the comments were addressed to the Mormon massacre comment. In any case... how do we find out about the secrets of the Mormon church. You say there aren't any? How do you know? Are you high up in the Mormon church? Is it somehow an aberration to want to know about a presidential candidates religion, especially if he's the first candidate from that religion. Obama's religion was quite a big deal as you may recall. You evidently don't like Muslims so I gather that you wouldn't want to vote for one. Why don't you folks ever answer questions instead of hurling insults. AS far as your story, jarhead- assuming you were thanks for your service. You don't have to convince anyone here about (or at least not many) that the world would be considerably better off if there were a lot fewer Muslims-especially Arab ones.

All I know is that there is a blood thirsty past to the mormon religion if you read there history and there believes and Obama is not a Muslim so sorry Jarhead

@dez,

It's called "Seperation of Church and State".

dezhawaii - there is NOTHING the matter with a politician having faith. There is MUCH wrong if that politician tries to force/enforce his/her faith on others by implementing laws specifically because of that faith. Or to limit the following of a different faith by others.

We, as Americans, have both Freedom of Religion and Freedom from Religion. This was the intent of our Forefathers and is the Separation of Church and State as uspported via the Constitution and the Laws of our land.

Yes, so why does Romney's Mormon religion even get mentioned? He can have his faith, remember our forefathers ensured this in the Constitution, and he can also lead this country. Nowhere have I heard mention of Romney forcing others to become Mormons.

@dez,

So why does Romney's religion even get mentioned?

Perhaps for the same reason that Obama's "Muslim" religion is "mentioned".

And libs, why the push to incorporate shiria law into states laws (Oklahoma ring a bell?)

I believe the first amendment is

"The government will not make, nor establish an official religion"

The idea that Romney is a Mormon before he is an American is frickin laughable. It's the last desperate attempt from a base than has not been given enough crumbs from Obama's table.

Talk, Oklahoma pushed a law to BAN sharia law in Oklahoma. No one every tried to implement or pass it. And no, President Obama does NOT support sharia law.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/26/government-not-god-pac/pac-claims-obama-would-force-sharia-law-courts/

I would hope Obama doesn't. He was a constitutional lawyer after all. You don't need a rocket scientist to see you cannot have two competing sets of laws. Being honest I have not paid to much attention to the OK case. But I would assume that the US isn't going to go all in on honor killings or treating women like chattel. Regardless of WHO the president is.

Didn't say Obama did it Matthew. There was a push to get it instituted into the laws of Oklahoma and therefore Oklahoma had to fight back. But was it an easy task? Look deeper, they should not have had to push back and place a ban on it at all. It should have never been brought up. They tried and luckily failed to get it incorporated.

One of my favorite songs when I live in OKC was "You're the Reason God Made Oklahoma" and thank God they didn't give in.

Baloney Talk to the Hand, and agreed halo3v.

The law was pushed by State Rep. Rex Duncan (R) as a "pre-emptive strike" to (sic) "stop activist judges from imposing Sharia or interanational law in Oklahoma." He considered it part of the "war for the survivial of America."

(sources: http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2011/spring/oklahoma-shariah-law-ban-creates-controversy

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/44630.html )

Frankly, it was hogwash. And yet some folks STILL say that this law was passed in a (sic) "reaction to that Muslim Obama" or because liberals want it. That is more hogwash.

I can only assume that after a spate of honor killing in the West and Mid West (AZ, MI, NM, TX) and because defense lawyers did try to use Sharia law as the reasoning for the killings, I assume the OK legislature was trying to nip the defense lawyers arguments it in the bud? All it would have taken was one judge to rule in the defenses favor. The OK ban is cheaper than going to the Supreme Court.

So another idiot that can't come in out of the rain to see someone he has no intention of voting for. That's dedication. Blind but dedication nonetheless.

Amy ... and as for me, as a Christian, that truly makes me shudder. This country does NOT know what is behind that faith. President Grant had it correct when he denied the cult statehood. Mormonism is nothing but the worship of a MAN.

(Before you all go ragging on me, understand that I am an ex-Mormon and probably know more about that "religion" than you will in your lifetime!)

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@Talk,

Do you question the "7-Election" poll numbers which have the President ahead by 60/40?

Do you mean to insult the intelligence of the Heartland of America?

Really, 7-11 stores selling coffee. Go back to Big Bird. It almost makes as much sense.

As for me and my conservative friends, we make our own coffee and put it in "The World's Best Dad" travel cup our kids bought for us.

And I bet if you did the same thing in Starbucks, you would get the same skewed result. How about McDonalds. Ya think we should make all coffee shops do it so we know who to vote for? Not me. I fend for and think for myself.

Last month, Pew had a sample of democrats +9. This poll? Democrats and republicans were evenly represented.

So, folks- we got a tied ball game.

Had one last month, too. So, why on earth should polling organizations play with the numbers?

Drives the story.

Talk to the Hand,

It's called "Oversampling Democrats", and yeah that and a 2.50 can buy me an extra large 7-11 coffee.

In a ROMNEY cup of course!!!

Speaking of 7/11 and coffee cups:

In their poll the President is ahead at 60%.

Been right in the three elections they have done it.

But I love watching no jo blather on about poll numbers that she can't possibly understand. Requires an understanding of numbers and all that....

@new,

Was trolling. Notice how no jo jumped right into the boat.

I was responding to Talk To The Hand, not you. Poor liberals. Looking for love wherever they can find it.

Maybe start a new treehouse.

Poor njnbnj .... still looking for a candidate you can trust!

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Kind of like Venezuela will now be renamed "Chavezuela". Obama loves the guy and the love is reciprocated.

And the USA will be renamed "Obamamerica". But that would desicrate USA into USO. Oh well, he doesn't like that oppressive military anyway. Unless they can get him headlines and more sheep.

And Peter Pan will sprinkle fairy dust all over our beds and allow us to fly out of windows ....

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busdad .... how is bud doing with his dad in a dunce cap???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9G8XREyG0Q

That is why we are moving forward.

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No, I don't agree. And if you'd stop smoking it, maybe, just maybe, you'd get how to respond to your original post.

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Don't forget about the $1,000,000 campaign donation from TransCanada!

Yes, folks, it's shocking (well, maybe only to those of us who feel that American elections should be an occasion for American voters to decide what's best for America, rather than an auction for influence in a corporatocracy) but true- the Romney campaign is receiving infusions of 11th- hour cash from a foreign entity whose largest project at the moment involves laying a pipeline straight across the middle of the United States (a region often, and aptly, known as "the Heartland") in order to transport a murderously toxic slurry of oil sands and solvents to a refinery in Texas, there to be turned into finished petroleum products for our good friends in China.

For those of you who still haven't connected the dots- this pipeline will endanger the Oglalla Aquifer, which is vital to something like half of the United States' grain- growing potential; even a modest break/spill could poison the Aquifer and render it useless for human needs for centuries to come. The payoff for this risk is a few hundred permanent refinery jobs in Texas (although God knows, they need every decent- paying job they can get) and more diesel fuel, petroleum and solvents for consumer markets in China! The Keystone pipeline will do nothing to ease the price of gasoline here in the U.S.A., and will likely bump the cost up some.

I have nothing at all against Canadians- have, in fact, married one!- but I'm both deeply disturbed at the prospect of foreign money helping to decide American elections, and utterly appalled at the total lack of concern that's being shown by the Right over this.

I guess when you support a worldview in which Barack Obama is responsible for the near- total meltdown of the American economy, and Mitt Romney is a job- creating patriot who's going to rescue us all (and the disastrous, eight- year nightmare of the Cheney regime never happened), it's easy to convince yourself that exporting Canadian oil sand products to China (who, of course, love America and wish us nothing but good) is somehow going to be beneficial for Americans.

This is merely another piece of evidence, as if any were needed, that the Republican Party has enlisted as an enthusiastic volunteer in the War on American Workers; that their only true loyalty is to the international ultra- wealthy class, and that they're perfectly happy to see the United States reduced to beggary, with only subsistence jobs available to extract and export raw materials for the use of our future overlords in Beijing; as long as they get their cut in the next decade or so, they couldn't care less about the kind of destitute, colonial America that's left for future generations.

Well done, traitors!